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Some points about National that many are overlooking. NZ is a subsidiary state of GAE. GAE calls the shots for NZ. Examples are the climate scam and the forced mass experimental vaccination.

As National is a core NZ party they can’t deviate from instructions from GAE. If National say ordered a proper investigation of the death and injury rates from the vaxx it would greatly upset GAE. To the point GAE would crush NZ via interest rates and ending capital flows. NZ is a massive debtor nation that relies heavily on overseas funding. That is a harsh recession or even depression would be inflicted upon NZ by GAE. National led govt would be gone. A GAE fully complaint far left govt would be installed. As we have seen with the US Trump vote, UK Brexit vote and Truck resistance in Canada. GAE was very upset. Mass immigration from the third world has followed into these countries as punishment. That is NZs future should National carry out what many here want. A society crushing far left govt together with mass uneducated non-English speaking immigration from the third world.

What can be done? Push National from the sides such as NZ First and Act are. Understand the game. National have to react somewhat to local pressure. Work through MMP, that is support ACT and NZ first they can hold National to account. Anything to the left of National and their supporters is an utter wasteland of GAE DEI societal degeneration. National’s primary job is to keep Labour out of govt. Realistically they can’t be expected or relied upon to do much else unless pushed by the minor parties. But only to a point.
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December 19, 2023 8:03am
- RoboRob
  
  Cool story bro. Would help us mere mortals if you explained what the f a GAE is. I for one have no idea.
  
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  December 19, 2023 8:50am
  - ISeeRed
    
    “Global Atheist Elite”? “Goddamn American Empire”? “Galactic Alien Extraterrestrials”?
    
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    December 19, 2023 9:01am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Close. Apparently, GAE is Global American Empire. Pronounced ‘gay’, its proponents also seem to believe that the US is bullying other countries into supporting LGBTQI rights.
      
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      December 19, 2023 10:10am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        From Urban Dictionary:
        
        “Globalist American Empire.
        
        A term used to describe the monolith entity of left-wing establishment media, government, tech, military and education. Originally coined by former White House speechwriter Darren Beattie. The GAE wants to bring transgender policies to developing nations through the woke military.”
        
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        December 19, 2023 8:21pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Giant Asshole Establishment?
      
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      December 19, 2023 8:22pm
  - Ghost
    
    Gay Association Ethiopia
    
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    December 19, 2023 9:08am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I didn’t follow any of that.
  
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  December 19, 2023 8:52am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
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    Just smother on sad rusts on ACT deviant telling us all what we must think.
    
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    December 19, 2023 9:00am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I didn’t understand your comment either 😀
      
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      December 19, 2023 9:16am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Hahaha, predictive text bro, it has a mind of its own at times
        
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        December 19, 2023 9:34am
    - crikey
      
      G: The message might not have reached the far south yet – we’re now speaking proper English here in New Zealand. Pass it on.
      
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      December 19, 2023 10:30am
      - oldfella
        
        crikey: rather than English, too many locals are speaking ‘Manglish’, an ugly mash-up of English and Maori. Which manages to both irritate and confuse viewers/listeners.
        
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        December 19, 2023 11:28am
    - KiwiSapper
      
      So, is it lack of ability or lack of attention to detail which causes you to allow your cell phone to control your postings on threads?
      Neither apologising for the twonk it creates nor explaining what the twonk should more correctly have been, doesn’t improve viewers impression of your posts.
      
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      December 19, 2023 12:50pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
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  Act are done6% and falling, they will be lucky not to be a 1 seat party again if they can’t stop the rot, NZF will be gone again, we are sick to bloody death of hearing about WEF, WHO, and now bloody GAE
  
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  December 19, 2023 8:59am
  - geoff3012
    
    What is GAE….?…asking for a friend
    
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    December 19, 2023 9:04am
    - Ghost
      
      Giant Australian Enema
      
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      December 19, 2023 9:17am
      - geoff3012
        
        Thanks….got that cleared up!
        
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        December 19, 2023 10:16am
  - pdm
    
    G it is only 8 weeks (approx) since the election.
    
    * 3 of those were taken up (slowly) counting the specials
    * a further 2 sorting out the Coalition agreements etc.
    * another week on formalities when Parliament opened.
    
    Yet you are writing off ACT on one tenuous poll. Look for them to be back in the 12% to 15% range at the next election.
    
    Have you not noticed it is the ACT driven legislation that is/has been pushed through the House so far. Obviously the best prepared of the three coalition partners.
    
    National could learn a lot from ACT and its MPs – good and all as Luxon has been so far. At least he recognises where the base work and preparations have been done
    
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    December 19, 2023 9:28am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I don’t think so, I am not talking about one poll at 12-15% they had one at 18% it triggered Seymour to become arrogant, and his suggestion he would leave the economy yo stagnate on the cross benches was ridiculous and scared many new ACT voters away, I have friends that voted for them in 2020, they were ready to vote for them in 23 but changed their minds at the last minute snd said sorry but we have had governments we can’t trust and voted Nats, his rubbishing of Peters seen him take a huge hit, now he has his party down at 6% no way will will they be back to 12-15%
      
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      December 19, 2023 9:51am
      - pdm
        
        G – the downticks might be telling you otherwise.
        
        Look to NZFirst falling away as is usual unless Casey Costello can hold them up.
        
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        December 19, 2023 11:53am
      - Graeme Hall
        
        Have to ask – what on earth is wrong with this guy? What is the point of incessantly attacking National’s closest support party and slathering on & on about David Seymour unless your are a closet Labour fan. Who is he trying to convince?
        
        I didn’t vote National this time, but would do so in a heartbeat if the only other choice was Labour or Green.
        
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        December 19, 2023 1:47pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    “we are sick to bloody death of hearing about WEF, WHO”
    
    Close your eyes, G. WEF, WHO et al magically disappear, along with their global governance activities. Just close your eyes. Everything will be all right. You can worship Luxon unimpeded. Just close your eyes. Life will return to the good old days. Just close your eyes. You can do this!
    
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    December 19, 2023 10:28am
    - ISeeRed
      
      I want to see more posts from G about “rusted on” political support for other parties while defending the National Party 100% of the time. The irony never gets tiresome or old.
      
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      December 19, 2023 10:49am
      - Jack5
        
        The giant C from Dunedin shows the instability of MMP politics.
        
        The Coalition is only weeks old, and, this National Party fanatic is is hacking into National’s coalition partners.
        
        Right coalition parties, including National, will face surly voters at the next election after the coming three tough years fighting inflation. The coalition partners need each other.
        
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        December 19, 2023 12:05pm
    - mawm
      
      kk – there seems to be a refusal by some Nat supporters to find out what the WHO has planned for us through the amendments to the International Health Regulations and in the proposed Pandemic Treaty. For those who want to find out it is worth your while to listen to MP Andrew Bridgen’s presentation to parliament (UK) on John Campbell’s YouTube below. It may also open their eyes to the supranational body/bodies that control us through various means that I will not go into now.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9rRbVycNQk
      
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      December 19, 2023 3:09pm
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    Not so fast…
    “Current level of support for National/ ACT/ NZ First would translate to 74 seats in Parliament”
    https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/roy-morgan-nz-election-november-2023
    
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    December 19, 2023 5:20pm
- Vinicius
  
  I found something about GAE by searching Dr Bing.
  
  RFK Jr is pushing this GAE stuff in relation to Covid
  GAE – Globalist American Empire
  
  https://www.newstarget.com/2023-09-18-covid-19-was-a-gae-military-operation.html
  
  Got better things to do than read that stuff.
  
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  December 19, 2023 9:28am
  - sungsamning
    
    Yes, that’s what the abbreviation stands for.
    
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    December 19, 2023 9:56am
slightlyrighty

So I hear the Topp Twins were on ZB saying that they will be fighting this government.

I wonder if they might change their tune when the new promised Cancer Meds start coming through?
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December 19, 2023 8:05am
- rouppe
  
  They were awful.
  
  Stated that “we can’t rewrite the treaty” when no one has suggested this.
  
  Then a bunch of other statements, which I must say was never halted by the interviewer (is it Tim Dower, in for Hosking?)
  
  I changed channel
  
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  December 19, 2023 8:53am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    lol rouppe, “we can’t rewrite the treaty”, but the Topp Twins and their ilk are allowed to misinterpret it as they see fit.
    
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    December 19, 2023 9:15am
  - Nickc2
    
    Me too!
    
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    December 19, 2023 10:06am
  - rockape
    
    Rewrite history? Do they mean the history that if you spend more than you earn ,you go broke?
    
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    December 19, 2023 10:34am
  - lifesgood
    
    They have always been awful. If they are NZ icons God help us. Total embarrassment.
    
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    December 19, 2023 10:41am
  - KiwiSapper
    
    “……..They were awful………..”
    They still are. Both well past their use by dates as regards their “humour and or musical quality.”
    
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    December 19, 2023 12:55pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I was invited to Topp Twins concert in the park in ChCh many many years ago. A disabled guy wandered across the crowd and one of the “twins” insinuated to the crowd (apparently in an attempt to gain laughs) that he looked like a child molester. That stuck with me for a long time
    and was probably very close to the beginning of my journey in discovering that lefties are generally not very nice people when you scratch the surface.
    
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    December 19, 2023 8:29pm
- RoboRob
  
  Nope. Those two are hard core lefties. Jacinda could quadruple the number of homeless, make housing more much more unaffordable, stuff education and hospitals and they would still claim that the right is the enemy of the people.
  
  Oh wait, JA did do all that. Bet you $100 they still are in the JA fan club.
  
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  December 19, 2023 8:54am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Correct Rob. They survive via Government subsidies of arts.
    
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    December 19, 2023 9:16am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Of course they’re still fans of Ardern she’s female and she cares.
    
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    December 19, 2023 9:28am
- MCōs
  
  I’m all ears
  What cancer meds are coming through?
  
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  December 19, 2023 8:58am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They stated well before the election about funding 15 life saving cancer drugs that will keeep NZers alive
    
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    December 19, 2023 9:02am
    - Michael Johnston
      
      Even more important than that is the intention to have Medsafe automatically approve drugs that have been approved by at least two reputable international agencies. That will save time, money and lives.
      
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      December 19, 2023 9:22am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Here’s a fun game: Read Table 1 of this BMJ paper and then tell me which agency is reputable.
        
        Spoiler alert: I rate none of them as reputable. Every one a fox guarding the henhouse.
        
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        December 19, 2023 10:22am
      - Michael Johnston
        
        I take your point KK, but I still think this ‘rule of two’ will benefit kiwi patients. Under current arrangements they often have to wait months or years longer than patients in other countries to gain access to potentially life-saving medicines.
        
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        December 19, 2023 11:21am
      - krazykiwi
        
        My contention is that ‘potentially life-saving medicines’ are also potentially deadly medicines, on account of the clear and obvious conflicts of interest present in the regulatory agencies. Therefore making approval contingent to two agencies being in agreement does not reduce the systemic risk.
        
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        December 19, 2023 2:10pm
      - Michael Johnston
        
        I suspect you have the RNA vaccines mandated by Ardern in mind. If so, I have no argument at all with you over that. Nonetheless, many medicines that could save lives are caught up for long periods in Medsafe’s approval procedures.
        
        The question is not so much whether you think medical regulators are subject to conflicts of interest – and I agree that they are – but whether you think Medsafe is any less so than agencies in places like Australia, the US and the UK.
        
        My view is that requiring Medsafe to replicate evaluations that have been carried out elsewhere results in unnecessary delays in getting useful medicines to kiwi patients.
        
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        December 19, 2023 2:34pm
      - crikey
        
        MJ: Approval by Medsafe is just the first step. Allocation of money across the medicinal spectrum is done by Pharmac and there will always be more $ demand than supply. Furthermore, it’s about a lot more than just funding the latest very expensive cancer drugs.
        
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        December 19, 2023 3:02pm
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Giant – if you start believing what Luxon says you should…….
      
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      December 19, 2023 7:20pm
  - slightlyrighty
    
    National will fund 13 new cancer treatments
    To give more Kiwis the chance to fight and win their battle with cancer, National will invest $280 million over
    four years to fund the 13 cancer treatments the Cancer Control Agency says provide “substantial clinical
    benefit” that are funded in Australia but not in New Zealand.
    Those cancer treatments are:
    • Osimertinib for lung cancer – first-line therapy
    • Osimertinib for lung cancer – second-line therapy
    • Atezolizumab with bevacizumab for liver cancer
    • Cetuximab or panitumumab for bowel cancer – first-line therapy
    • Cetuximab for bowel cancer – second-line therapy
    • Nivolumab with ipilimumab for kidney cancer – first-line therapy
    • Nivolumab for kidney cancer – second-line therapy
    • Axitinib for kidney cancer – second-line therapy
    • Pembrolizumab for bladder cancer
    • Nivolumab for head and neck cancer
    • Nivolumab or pembrolizumab for melanoma (adjuvant)
    • Dabrafenib with trametinib for melanoma (adjuvant)
    • BRAF/MEK inhibitors for melanoma (unresectable)
    
    https://assets.nationbuilder.com/nationalparty/pages/18159/attachments/original/1692580225/Helping_more_Kiwis_fight_cancer.pdf?1692580225
    
    A friend of mine, in Early 2022, was given 1 month to live with multiple tumours as a result of Melanoma. He insisted on a self funded course of Pembrolizumab against the wishes of the Oncologist who essentially gave him a death sentence.
    
    20 months later, he is Cancer Free.
    
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    December 19, 2023 9:35am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      How’s that MCōs ?
      
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      December 19, 2023 12:38pm
      - ProtectBabiesFromPredators
        
        Mystified I caught you out, how’s that?
        https://youtu.be/8EmSanSFXEM
        
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        December 19, 2023 8:22pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        No free kick there for MCōs!
        
        Coalition 13/ MCōs 0
        
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        December 19, 2023 8:34pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The dopey left don’t think about reality
  
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  December 19, 2023 9:01am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    If the dopey left as you call them thought about reality they wouldn’t be left now would they G ? Come on keep up.
    
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    December 19, 2023 9:30am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      40% are still dopey
      
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      December 19, 2023 9:53am
      - Paulus
        
        But that 40% does not include the Media Party who are getting worse in their lefty views than ever.
        
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        December 19, 2023 1:21pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Facing reality is for those nasty “far right” people.
    
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    December 19, 2023 8:35pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Saw them at the Sika Expo at Mystery Creek a few weeks ago.
  
  Didn’t see them making those arguments there. 🙂
  
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  December 19, 2023 9:46am
- alex Masterley
  
  Who cares!
  
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  December 19, 2023 9:51am
- MCōs
  
  As far as I’m aware both of them have breast cancer
  Looking at the list provided by Slightlyright above there’s nothing there for breast cancer
  
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  December 19, 2023 10:29am
Biscuit

Good news, good people.

This time next week, Christmas 2023 will be OVER!

Je will be by je’s self all day so I can watch all the day’s sport and racing with NO interuptions/tantrums/tears from family members!

[The light of my life will be absent, ‘doing’ all the Boxing Day sales…]

PS. Were any of you aware that before it became a major shopping holiday, Christmas once had something of a “religious” meaning.
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December 19, 2023 8:09am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yeah, then 365 days until Christmas (Leap Year)
  
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  December 19, 2023 8:22am
  - Biscuit
    
    I thought you’d be HAPPY to see 2024 in, Steve, what with you being such a fan of The Donald!
    
    Ladbrokes have this betting market up for November’s big race (the figures being the returns to a 1 unit stake):
    
    Donald Trump 2.15
    Joe Biden 3.00
    Nikki Haley 11.00
    Gavin Newsom 13.00
    Michelle Obama 19.00
    Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 21.00
    Kamala Harris 34.00
    Ron DeSantis 34.00
    
    No-one else is rated shorter than 51.00.
    
    The list is l-o-n-g, mind. Hell, even Omid Scobie’s favourite ex-‘Suits’ actress is at $401..
    
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    December 19, 2023 8:36am
    - Matt Long
      
      Surprised to see Harris and de Santis with the same odds, and Ms Obama so high.
      
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      December 19, 2023 8:38am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Hillary not on the list yet. Doesn’t want to scare the horses.
        
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        December 19, 2023 9:03am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yep, can’t wait until Nov 5th (6th here)
      There will be a few here swallowing their pride.
      
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      December 19, 2023 8:54am
    - RoboRob
      
      I would put my money on Kikki, good odds at 11 to 1 and a fair chance the Don doesn’t stand.
      
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      December 19, 2023 8:55am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        She’s a RINO.
        
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        December 19, 2023 1:33pm
      - RoboRob
        
        Totally, but we were talking about who might actually win an election, not who has the best policy.
        
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        December 19, 2023 1:42pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        The only way The Don will not stand will be caused by Hillary. You work that out.
        It is in plain sight.
        
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        December 19, 2023 4:09pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      Biden is 3/1 to make it through the day!
      
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      December 19, 2023 9:02am
    - Ra Henare
      
      Warmonger Nikki being funded, enhanced by the MIC (Military Inductrial Complex).
      
      Yep the owners of media and polling companies. 🙂
      
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      December 19, 2023 1:24pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Ron D is equal with Kamala Cackles? WTF?
      
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      December 19, 2023 8:37pm
- Grumpy Silver Top
  
  The commercialisation of Christmas and so many other innocent traditions, not to mention the proliferation of other (shopping opportunities) saddens me. So many people worry about overspending, having to spend time with unpleasant family members, or being alone for any number of reasons. No longer a joyous event. Have a lovely holiday everyone!
  
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  December 19, 2023 8:33am
  - Flossie
    
    I’m one of the many over seventies and as far back as I can remember Christmas was always a time for extra shopping – for both gifts and festive food luxuries. Shops always were decorated with twinkling lights and Santa sat in his grotto. Nothing new going on.
    
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    December 19, 2023 9:04am
    - Local Miller
      
      Back in my school days, 1975/6, so about year 9 I wrote an English essay “Christmas – Just a Commercial Enterprise”. As I recall it was the best essay I ever wrote, even my English teacher was impressed. Funny the things you remember when they make an impression on you.
      Interestingly back in South Africa prior to about 1970 Christmas wasn’t that commercialized.
      
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      December 19, 2023 10:14am
      - Jack5
        
        New Year celebrations used to be big in Otago-Southland, a carry-over from settlers from Scotland, where Hogmanay, the New Year celebration, is still a big event.
        
        Calvinist Presbyterians long frowned on Christmas celebration. Christmas Day wasn’t a holiday in Scotland until 1958. That took about 400 years to achieve.
        
        Old folk from Otago-Southland may recall vestiges of “First Footing” on New Year’s Eve, when the first person to enter the home after midnight had to be dark haired. The following source says goes the custom went back to Viking times, a sort of “thank God, it’s not a Viking”.
        
        https://metro.co.uk/2016/12/31/first-footing-the-scots-new-year-tradition-that-sees-them-welcome-tall-dark-haired-men-into-the-house-6353577/
        
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        December 19, 2023 12:17pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Grumpy, Come to Cambodia or Vietname or Thailand for December!!
    
    . No Christmas crap. Its another day, banks and schools as normal.
    However I did hear a Jingle bells being played softly at a Tourist orientated restaurant mid morning.
    
    Weather this time of year is great for those from the land of the long white(Flat white?)
    
    Sunny every day (its the dry season)
    
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    December 19, 2023 1:30pm
- Rusty
  
  @Biscuit
  
  Christ – Mass.
  
  Which would indicate the catholic church came up with the idea of Christmas on the 25th dec every year.
  
  Don’t know where the idea of Santa Claus came about. Coca Cola didn’t invent the Santa character as some think.
  
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  December 19, 2023 8:33am
  - Local Miller
    
    Santa Clause comes out of Europe. There are several sources, but most of them point to Saint Nicholas who went around on Christmas Eve (anonymously) giving gifts to the poor. In most Germanic languages, Nicholas was “Nicklaus” or similar. Over time Saint Nicholas was corrupted to the current Santa Clause (I’m sure you can see the similarity in the names), and over time commercialized.
    Many European countries still refer to Santa Clause as “Nicklause”, as does my German wife and some Dutch friends (Sinterklaas)
    I’m not sure if this is the same St Nicholas of Myra, but my understanding is they are two different Saints.
    
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    December 19, 2023 10:29am
    - Don Beckett
      
      No, it was St.Nicholas of Myra, a town in now Turkey. St. Nik was a Turk 🙂
      
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      December 19, 2023 10:59am
      - kowtow
        
        DB
        
        Asia Minor was Greek .
        
        They’ve been subject to an ongoing genocide there for some one thousand years .
        
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        December 19, 2023 12:27pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Correct – the Turk comment was tongue in cheek. 🙂
        
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        December 19, 2023 1:34pm
- pdm
  
  Biscuit does the young shopping lady in question see these posts? Seems you are living dangerously if she does not because someone (like me) could bring them to said young shopping ladies attention.
  
  Hush money may of course solve this problem for you.
  
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  December 19, 2023 8:34am
  - Biscuit
    
    pdm, her little clutch purse had multiple $HK 1,000 notes in it after she followed my lead and backed the Hong Kong Mile winner a couple of Sundays ago.
    
    ‘Young’ is a bit of a stretch, mind. I was born March 18 and she was born the 24 November of the previous year. I always introduce her to folk as my older woman’…
    
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    December 19, 2023 8:40am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Heh. Mrs kk is 6.5 years older than me. When we are in friendly company, and I am at a safe distance, I will idly call her a Cougar 😉
      
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      December 19, 2023 8:58am
      - Don Beckett
        
        I am 5.5 years older than my wife – I used to be referred to as a chicken stealer or cradle snatcher – but she was 20 when we married. 🙂
        
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        December 19, 2023 1:36pm
    - pdm
      
      Biscuit I have just done some very quick mental arithmetic, without reference to any current buy/sell exchange rates and come up with a value of 20c each for thos $HK1,000 notes.
      
      Does the former young shopping lady, now known as `the cradle snatcher’ know this?
      
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      December 19, 2023 9:37am
      - Biscuit
        
        pdm, at the risk of being accused of blowing my own trumpet – who’d ever have thunk, eh? – my personal collect off that race was $HK 105,701!
        
        $NZ 22,169 or so!
        
        Happily, the HKJC were able to direct-credit my NZ bank account with much of that … the largest note over there is $HK1,000 and I sure as hell didn’t want 105 of the b*ggers in my wallet!
        
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        December 19, 2023 9:44am
      - pdm
        
        Biscuit – I am impressed.
        
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        December 19, 2023 10:00am
- mandk
  
  It still does for any people in NZ, including a fair number of commenters here on KB.
  
  Take a look at this for a delightful reminder of what it is all about:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMCnecRX8NM
  
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  December 19, 2023 8:44am
  - Biscuit
    
    Wow, mandk, superb stuff.
    
    Never before heard of either the song or the trio singing it.
    
    I felt a bit for the wide-eyed guy at the left, mind. You could see him thinking “Hey, I’m part of the threesome too. LET ME SING!’
    
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    December 19, 2023 2:28pm
- krazykiwi
  
  It is definitely more a faith-filled season than a shopping one for me, Biscuit.
  
  Joy to the world.
  
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  December 19, 2023 8:53am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Careful, it means Easter eggs in store
  
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  December 19, 2023 9:03am
- Diogenes
  
  I believe that the birth of Jesus was the most amazing event in history. However, I am very ambivalent about Christmas. I enjoy the trappings, but commerce has cemented the trap in trappings.
  
  The early Christians never celebrated Christmas, and they certainly never would have done so in mid-winter. There are many good reasons to question a December date: For a start the Emperor would not have been so stupid as to order a mass movement of the population (which the census required) in the middle of winter, and the shepherds would not have had their flocks out in the fields in a brutal Israeli highland winter (Bethlehem is a long way above sea level).
  
  My wife, born in England, has never adjusted to the Kiwi Christmas though she’s been here some 50 years. We spent a year back in England in the mid-1990s, and suffering that winter gave me a strong appreciation for the need for some joy in the midst of it. Christchurch in winter is a holiday by comparison. Incidentally, if you were to place London on this side of the world, it would be some 200 miles south of Invercargill (with the remainder of the British Isles heading towards the South Pole). Thank goodness for the Gulf Stream.
  
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  December 19, 2023 9:06am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Yep. Every place in NZ is closer to the Equator than any place in GB.
    
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    December 19, 2023 7:50pm
Maggie Pie

And I’ll tell you something else…

there’s NO WAY they’ll ever get me eating their f…ing Bugs!

https://tiktok.com/@meadellieya/video/7282612522358705450
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December 19, 2023 8:16am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The dopey left will lap em up
  
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  December 19, 2023 9:03am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL!!
    
    And I see where the scientific name for those horse-hair worms is…
    ‘Gordionus Maori’
    
    Just saying
    
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    December 19, 2023 9:21am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      They’re body-snatchers
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/science/105913310/american-couple-finds-new-species-of-body-snatcher-in-remote-otago
      
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      December 19, 2023 9:50am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        That’s amazing Maggz!
        
        And I see where the Scientists who discovered them are saying…..
        “They named them out of respect for the indigenous people of Aotearoa and their strong legacy of ecological stewardship”
        
        Makes sense.
        
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        December 19, 2023 10:05am
      - What's the Frequency, Kenneth?
        
        …..indigenous people of Aotearoa and their strong legacy of ecological stewardship”
        
        I’m sure the Moa would disagree.
        
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        December 19, 2023 1:08pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Always cook ze bugs!
        
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        December 19, 2023 8:41pm
Chuck Bird

I posted this late yesterday afternoon. I hope those who did see my post to check out the video.

This is about 35 minutes. Who knows the most about climate change. Thumbs up for Dr Curry and thumbs down for NZ politicians.

“There’s no emergency” – dissident climatologist Dr Judith Curry on climate change

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBdmppcfixM&t=125s
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December 19, 2023 8:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “thumbs down for NZ politicians.”
  Especially the BMW Jimmy types.
  
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  December 19, 2023 8:28am
- Blog-aholic
  
  I said it yesterday but I will say it again. I’d trust Curry over any other expert, she understands the actual science. The rest just spin BS.
  
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  December 19, 2023 8:30am
- Grumpy Silver Top
  
  Dissident because their science doesn’t follow the believed narrative. 😢
  
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  December 19, 2023 8:34am
- NothingLeft
  
  Elon spoke at an Italian event a few days back and said that Climate change was a problem but not an existential risk – that there are bigger dangers. He’s strayed far from the plantation in sayin that, efforts to take him out will redouble.
  
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  December 19, 2023 8:47am
- JJ56
  
  For those of you who follow matters statistical around climate change Ross McKitrick has a post at Climate etc https://judithcurry.com/2023/12/18/climate-attribution-method-overstates-fingerprints-of-external-forcing/.
  
  The problem is the statistical test used by the Climate scientists to identify what is driving climate changes (fingerprints) is not used by Economists because it is unreliable and biased, while better tests exist.
  
  Its use means the models overstate the role of GHGs, and undermine the assumptions behind eg COP28.
  
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  December 19, 2023 11:51am
Opie

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/iconic-boat-owner-told-to-build-new-jetty-gift-it-to-iwi-lease-it-back/

Its hard not to be racist when to run a business in this country you have to invest in infrastructure, then gift it to maoris and lease it back… and just to really make your day, on top of the lease you get to pay 3% of revenue (not profit – sounds like robertsons was involved here as he doesn’t understand the difference) and a $3450 yearly payment for demolition costs.

No wonder rural nz has become an unproductive, crime filled shithole.
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December 19, 2023 8:16am
- ISeeRed
  
  Also foreigner-owned businesses hiring only foreigners. (No, I don’t consider an immigrant with a newly minted NZ passport a “Kiwi” . They’re still foreigners with their ethnic-based chauvinism and prejudices against others not of their “kind”.)
  
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  December 19, 2023 9:07am
- Local Miller
  
  You forgot to mention they have to also pay for any maintenance the jetty requires. I worked out there are 6 requirements:
  1) Build it
  2) Gift it
  3) Rent it
  4) Maintain it
  5) Fund the future demolition cost
  6) Pay 3% on gross revenue
  
  Who the hell would do business with the Iwi under these conditions!
  
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  December 19, 2023 10:47am
  - Opie
    
    You don’t “do business” with iwi.
    
    That would imply a good faith agreement from both sides.
    
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    December 19, 2023 11:40am
  - Damocles11
    
    Iwi to business owners: “Bend over”.
    
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    December 19, 2023 1:02pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Who? New Zealanders will, and if they don’t they are racist!
    
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    December 19, 2023 1:41pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I expect the local iwi will gift the new jetty a nice name
    
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    December 19, 2023 7:56pm
kowtow

In more good news , the msm have finally decided to do their duty and hold the govt to account; massive front page hit on Luxon’s lingo learning lucre.

But where have they been for six years .

Oh that’s right . In St Jacksie’s pocket and taking her silver.
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December 19, 2023 8:17am
- RoboRob
  
  The majority of the healines are anti Luxon and Winston. Not much coverage of Labours screw ups or attacks on GRs handling of the economy. However Interest.co.nz had a good story on that today.
  
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  December 19, 2023 8:59am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Media understand economy far less than GR – and he understand economy sfa.
    
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    December 19, 2023 9:13am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  But who paid for Arderns Te Reo ?
  
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  December 19, 2023 10:06am
  - jp_1983
    
    dont be too hard on her. She didnt know what the “principles of the Treaty” was when she was first asked in 2018 at Waitangi Day
    
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    December 19, 2023 11:01am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Or GDP.
      
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      December 19, 2023 1:43pm
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      The question was about the articles of the treaty, not the “principles”. And no, she didn’t know any of the three articles.
      
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      December 19, 2023 1:53pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        But happy to mindlessly go in boots and all with the woke narratives regarding the treaty!
        
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        December 19, 2023 8:43pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    After hearing her trying to speak English you’d have to admire someone trying to teach her to speak Maori!
    
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    December 19, 2023 11:08am
    - Hugh Jarse
      
      The inability for her to pronounce the letter T was an impediment. Used to laugh as she mounted the podium of truth and opened her speech with – “Dina go do, Dina go do, gar dower” and then read her whole speech, the great communicator, what a laugh.
      
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      December 19, 2023 12:42pm
- Local Miller
  
  Ardern took te reo lessons and no one complained.
  
  Also Luxon wasn’t objecting to learning Te Reo and having “work” pay for it, his objection, and rightly so was to the bonus being offered to learn Te Reo.
  
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  December 19, 2023 10:55am
  - pdm
    
    LM I will bet Luxon will be far quicker to become fluent in it than Ardern was.
    
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    December 19, 2023 11:57am
    - imalwaysright
      
      She speaks English effluently.
      
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      December 19, 2023 9:10pm
- JJ56
  
  https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/rob-macculloch-how-the-mainstream-media-this-time-the-nz-herald-manipulated-you-today
  
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  December 19, 2023 11:57am
kowtow

Talking of massive .
No news in our msm of the huge terror tunnel found in north Gaza near the Israel border.

How queer.
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December 19, 2023 8:19am
- Biscuit
  
  Mmm, kowtow.
  
  Lemme digress – I loves me a bit of digressing – and let me tell you how displeased I am that the original meaning of ‘queer’ has been overtaken in modern times.
  
  One of my favourite expressions is ‘as queer as a clockwork orange’, meaning something bizarre under the surface but coming across as natural and normal at first sight. Remember ‘A Clockwork Orange’, the brilliant novel by Anthony Burgess?
  
  The gay brigade – and I’m not being judgemental on them as a group – have a lot to answer for for ruining the term!
  
  Don’t start me on them usurping ‘gay’ as a word, too!
  
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  December 19, 2023 8:58am
  - RoboRob
    
    The whole things a bit ‘gay’
    
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    December 19, 2023 9:00am
  - pdm
    
    A bit like this one Biscuit.
    
    `It was a great party and everyone was feeling Mary and Gay.
    Then Mary and Gay went home’.
    
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    December 19, 2023 9:41am
  - kowtow
    
    I imagine the old Gordon’s would be more than a bit miffed , if they hadn’t been amalgamated .But then the UK military is so gay these days they’d be loud and proud about its “new” meaning.
    
    Eh Laddie.
    
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    December 19, 2023 9:42am
    - Biscuit
      
      I alway think of ‘Fred Flintstone’, kowtow, and the theme song to that great cartoon seres telling us they were all going to have ‘a gay old time’!
      
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      December 19, 2023 9:54am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        I very much enjoyed a gay time back in the day.
        
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        December 19, 2023 8:45pm
  - lifesgood
    
    And rainbow…b*****ds
    
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    December 19, 2023 10:47am
  - Flossie
    
    Probably asking for a few downticks here but I’m going ahead anyway.
    Reading about a Head Boy’s speech at a high school yesterday and him famously “coming out” I just want to ask if all the clamour around this is necessary. Gay has been openly with us since ages (some in my own immediate family). Imagine if a heterosexual head boy had stood there and announced his sexual preferences!
    For heavens sake we have highly placed gay politicians all over the world and sports teams full of them. It’s no longer newsworthy.
    
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    December 19, 2023 11:31am
    - Ghost
      
      And yet the stigma is still there.
      
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      December 19, 2023 11:43am
    - lifesgood
      
      Well, Ghost, they can just shut up about it then. Nobody wants to hear about their sexual preferences. Just thinking the same thing, Flossie. It’s almost as if it’s a badge of honour but it’s not. Heterosexuals don’t go round boasting “I sleep with the opposite sex” Attention seekers, I say.
      
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      December 19, 2023 11:49am
      - Ghost
        
        You may not want to hear about it, but since he was cheered in his speech his classmates did. Plenty of TikToks, YouTube’s, twitters of heterosexual people boasting about who they sleep with and how many they’ve slept with
        
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        December 19, 2023 12:14pm
      - Flossie
        
        Ghost I would seriously doubt his speech contained anything his classmates had not been aware of for ages.
        
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        December 19, 2023 6:08pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        The love that dare not speak its name has become the love that can’t shut up
        
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        December 19, 2023 7:59pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Nevermind,
        
        “The love that dare not speak its name has become the love that can’t shut up”
        
        Brilliant !
        
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        December 19, 2023 9:13pm
- Burtland
  
  https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1736407306311475360
  
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  December 19, 2023 10:31am
- Ra Henare
  
  A terror tunnel? news from Israel?
  
  I found a very interesting interview about events leading up to 7th October and onwards.
  https://youtu.be/uMkA–JpO7c?t=3453
  
  The first 57 minutes lots of emotion and enthusiasm. Not many facts.
  
  Rather dry, but fact ridden presentation by the guy starting at Minute 57. Dispelled many myths floating around. Yes team 26 you seem to believe many myths.
  
  My sympathies to those suffering the NZ Christmas season. and its comercialism.
  
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  December 19, 2023 1:45pm
Paulus

Listening to Winston Peters on his recent trip to Fiji I believe that he can create more harmony in the Pacific nations than many of his predecessors.
Imagine the difference between Mahuta with her overweight tattooed face, and Peters quietly with Rambuca, and a bottle of Whisky between two old men, despite my abhorrence at his deal with Ardern. I believe we may well see the best of Peters.
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December 19, 2023 8:32am
- pdm
  
  Paulus – Rambuka – pronounced Rambooka.
  
  Rambuca is pronounced rambootha.
  
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  December 19, 2023 9:43am
  - Random T Person
    
    Yeah but the dude’s name is Sitiveni RABUKA.
    
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    December 19, 2023 10:54am
    - pdm
      
      Thanks RT you are so right – Rabuka.
      
      I should know better – used to play cricket against him.
      
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      December 19, 2023 12:00pm
    - Paulus
      
      He was known in the Army as Steve !
      
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      December 19, 2023 1:27pm
Paulus

Am amused this morning to hear from the so called media in joy that the RNZAF B757 is once again nbg for Luxon’s trip to Canberra tomorrow.
So he will have to goin one of the new extended B737 design Poseidon airforce aircraft.
What a shame as I expect it only has some 6/8 seats, so the media will get all huffy as they cannot do their Christmas shopping in Canberra.
Typical Labour – how do we stuff National – do nothing about the two useless B757 (ex Canada Air) and leave them in the poop.
National should charter two B 737s, in the short term, whilst they get information on new aircraft for New Zealand use.
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December 19, 2023 8:40am
- greybeard
  
  Well I was hoping that Mr. Luxon would simply go on an Air NZ commercial flight, as a nod to his previous job and showing his faith in the company and staff.
  
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  December 19, 2023 9:07am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Flying to Canberra is a time consuming process. You need to fly to Sydney and transfer to the domestic terminal by bus at the other end of the airport to get a connecting domestic flight.
    
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    December 19, 2023 9:09am
    - greybeard
      
      So ?
      
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      December 19, 2023 9:15am
    - pdm
      
      I thought he was meeting `Airbus’ Albo in Sydney.
      
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      December 19, 2023 9:44am
    - Nickc2
      
      AFIK, Military Aircraft can fly directly into Canberra. I’ve done it many times, usually in transit but sometimes for conferences at Russel Offices (AUSTDF Admin HQ).
      
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      December 19, 2023 10:31am
      - Paulus
        
        My Granddaughter must be the youngest passenger (6 months) of a RNZAF flight direct from Canberra to Wellington, as her parents return from Australian 3 year Posting.
        
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        December 19, 2023 3:37pm
  - Paulus
    
    Air NZ do not go to Canberra – neither does any other international airline.
    
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    December 19, 2023 1:28pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Singapore Air used to do Wellington-Canberra direct.
      
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      December 19, 2023 8:01pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  The 757s were 10 years old when purchased from Transavia Airlines, a budget Dutch airline. IIRC they then went to the USA for two years to be extensively modified for military use.
  
  Buying ageing second hand airplanes and converting them for military use seems like false economy.
  
  Hopefully the lesson has been learned. The recently delivered Poseidons were the first new fixed wing aircraft delivered to the RNZAF since the Skyhawks in the early 1980s.
  
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  December 19, 2023 9:07am
  - Nickc2
    
    The first two Skyhawks (A4Gs) were handed over to the RNZAF in 1960.
    https://jimbarclay.nz/rnzaf-skyhawks/#:~:text=Of%20the%2024%20Skyhawks%20that,three%20pilots%20lost%20their%20lives.
    
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    December 19, 2023 11:19am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Pacific Aid.
    Americans dropped tents and food.
    Britain dropped medical supplies.
    Australia dropped building materials and tools.
    NZ dropped an intake manifold.
    
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    December 19, 2023 1:51pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Weren’t the Strikemasters new?
    
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    December 19, 2023 8:03pm
- MCōs
  
  National won’t be chartering anything.
  It’ll be the taxpayers, which was what I thought Mr L was advising the previous government to do rather than relying on the unreliable military aeroplanes.
  The PM needs to take representatives of the media with him to record the occasion.
  No point in shaking hands with all the dudes over there if there’s nobody to take some photos and make notes of the speeches as they swap rugby jerseys
  
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  December 19, 2023 9:22am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He was anti taking two Airforce planes to the other side of the world, he said Aussie snd pacific nations not do bad
    
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    December 19, 2023 10:08am
- Terry Dalee
  
  Far more cost effective to charter a ZK registered business jet. It would be cheaper than a P8.
  
  Garden City in Christchurch have a Challenger 605 for hire. And it’s a NZ business.
  
  You’d lose two days of travel going to and from Canberra by commercial. You can’t afford that as PM.
  
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  December 19, 2023 9:41am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Cost would be negligible as it would be a training flight for the P8 crew(minimal transit crew).
    
    They need to do the hours to keep current…
    says ex P3 guy.
    
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    December 19, 2023 2:25pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  757 was working fine this morning. In and out of Whenuapai quite often.
  Maybe a media jackup? (lie?)
  
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  December 19, 2023 12:02pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    In and out quite often sounds like check flights? testing flights.
    After all they are long haul aircraft when they are working.
    
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    December 19, 2023 2:27pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Two of them, and it’s not like you can jump to the second plane if the first one fucks up.
      Lot of noise over at Whenuapai atm. Maybe Luxon is going on a C130 and taking gifts?
      
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      December 19, 2023 4:18pm
Yvette

i>Freshwater experts urge Luxon to avoid ‘terrible mistake’
In an open letter, the 50 signatories call upon the PM and other ministers to “retain the National Policy Statement for Freshwater Management 2020 and make no changes to Te Mana o te Wai”.

The country’s freshwater policy, including Te Mana o te Wai, is the result of decades of public concern and policy development. To weaken this now, would be to take the country and our communities backwards.
https://freshwaternz.files.wordpress.com/2023/12/fifty-freshwater-experts-and-leaders-urge-christopher-luxon-not-to-make-a-terrible-mistake-on-clean-drinking-water-and-healthy-rivers-final.pdf

27 of the 50 signatories appear to be Maori (with iwi affiliations noted in brackets after their names)
Te Mana o te Wai is a mixture of plain common sense and stating the obvious, entrenched with aspects of Te Ao Maori (Maori world view / religion) – it is the latter that the new Government should closely examine

That the letter names Te Mana o te Wai, indicates it is the target area,

Using three standards, Government should determine –
• What is simple common sense
• What is Maori religion, since Government should be secular, and
• What elevates any ethnicity above any other, since the Treaty, Articles 3, indicates the entire population are “British subjects” with equal citizen rights and responsibilities and Human Rights confirms the same. Maori should not have Aryan exceptionalism.
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As Chris Bishop concluded his speech yesterday, “So do we need water reform? Yes, we do. Do we need confiscation? No, we don’t. Do we need mandatory co-governance? No, we don’t. Do we need Te Mana o te Wai statements in the way they are formed? No, we don’t. Do we need balance sheet separation? Yes. Do we need economic regulation? Yes. Do we need water-quality regulation? Yes. Do we need more regionalised solutions that we let local communities come up with? Absolutely, yes we do.”
– Thomas Cranmer, Lawyer with over 25 years experience in some of the world’s biggest law firms.
https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2023/06/thomas-cranmer-three-waters-amendment.html
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December 19, 2023 8:56am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is crazy. Water pollution is regulated globally using well tested metrics of e-colli, phosphorus, nitrogen etc. Just set those limits according to the science applied globally and tell the Regional Councils to do their job.
  
  Using a quasi religion to regulate river quality is, well, insane. 😕
  
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  December 19, 2023 9:13am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    How else are we to measure/determine the mauri of each river
    
    Each body of water also has a life force/mauri and should not be mixed with water from another source.
    
    https://learnz.org.nz/rivers201/discover/importance-rivers-m%C4%81ori#:~:text=Each%20body%20of%20water%20also,all%20people%2C%20plants%20and%20wildlife.
    
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    December 19, 2023 9:57am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Water does not have a “life force”. That is a religious belief.
      
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      December 19, 2023 10:12am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        My point..
        
        I have provided a school resource.
        
        I think our school children are being taught that inanimate objects have a “life force”.
        
        I noted that the proposed new Science curriculum contained nothing about the common characteristics of all living things.
        
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        December 19, 2023 11:59am
      - Steve Todd
        
        Obviously you are correct, Benedict, but you really should have said, “Bodies of water do not have a ‘life force’.”
        
        I mean, I assume (certain) Māori don’t believe, for instance, that the water that comes out of their household taps has a “life force”, but they may well believe that bodies of water, such as the Waikato River, Lake Rotoiti, or Lake Waikaremoana, do – although, as you and I agree, they would still be wrong; it is, as you say, a religious belief.
        
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        December 19, 2023 12:06pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        BY. Water keeps Taniwha alive (as well as koha)
        
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        December 19, 2023 1:52pm
Yvette

Winston is Right. Hipkins is Wrong. The Evidence Proves the Media are Bribed by Government Funding
Take just one example of government advertising spending in NZ, namely related to Covid. An Official Information Act (OIA) request showed that “A total of $87,657,993 has been spent by DPMC on public information campaigns in support of New Zealand’s COVID-19 response between 1 March 2020 and 31 December 2021”. Add that $90 million to the $55 million journalism fund and you’re on your way to $145 million. That is the tip of the iceberg – huge numbers of government job advertisements are also placed in the media. By the way, the OIA above also stated, “I am therefore refusing your request to have this information broken down by medium”, so “they” have made it impossible to get the data in NZ linking the ads to outlets that are government friendly.
https://www.downtoearth.kiwi/blog/page/6

Apparently covid was estimated to decimate the media to the extent of $55 million.
So the Labour Government gave the media the $55 million and had them swear allegiance to the 1980s’ Treaty of Waitangi – which was a little bizarre , but without fulfilling the desires of the Maori Caucus the Government could implode.
And covid gave the media $87,657,993 through DPMC for public information campaigns in support of New Zealand’s COVID-19 response

In one of the world’s top economics journals, Harvard Professor Rafael Di Tella shows there is a direct link between media outlets receiving government advertising revenues and the biasing of their stories in the government’s favor.

So covid gave the media through ‘advertising’ 1.6 times what the Government estimated covid would disadvantage the media by,. but they compesated them for that too
Is Winston going far enough to label only the $55 million as “bribery”?
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December 19, 2023 9:07am
- NothingLeft
  
  A few months back I saw mention that Laboured had doubled govt advertising spend to $125million a year. Surely an OIA asking how much money had been deposited by govt to each of major media organisations would be relatively easy to work out with simple database calls.
  
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  December 19, 2023 9:25am
  - Swifty
    
    I believe it’s way, way more than that.
    
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    December 19, 2023 9:35am
    - mandk
      
      It is.
      The $145 million only includes spending up to the end of 2021.
      
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      December 19, 2023 10:12am
      - Swifty
        
        I believe it was well over $300M annually on media and broadcasting spend in 2021 alone.
        
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        December 19, 2023 10:27am
- Littletramp
  
  So how much of that did the woman who bought Stuff for $1 in 2020 (when was covid?) pocket, and did she make the purchase on assurances something good was in the wind? Did anyone get a kickback for the “heads up”?
  It’s not what you know in life is.
  
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  December 19, 2023 9:39am
- JackRabbit
  
  That is the tip of the iceberg – huge numbers of government job advertisements are also placed in the media.
  
  There are a lot of hidden indirect bribes, as well of hundreds if not thousands of govt created communications jobs who worked with and massaged the media. So the $55,000,000 will be the tip of the iceberg. The figure needs a”0″ added.
  
  Locking us down which was not necessary, and paying employees, was a huge publicity stunt.
  
  “Look at me, look at me.”
  
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  December 19, 2023 9:59am
cas

has Sky outsourced its Sky support? I ask as I complained to them about the cost of our packages going up yet and made a few suggestions as to programmes they could show like Michael Palin in Iraq, the newish series of Great Canal Journeys and the more up to dates of QI.

The reply I got didn’t leave me any the wiser but it did hope I was well twice; was glad I had reached out to them ( oh how I hate that word); they wanted to reach out …… You get the picture.

The reply was obviously either from a robot or someone with an English manual of nice things to say when you are saying nothing.

I can’t even find a PO box for Sky so I can complain to a real person.
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December 19, 2023 9:15am
- Ghost
  
  Yes. Sky TV axes 170 local staff as roles sent offshore, says move will improve support
  
  I’ve been dealing with microsoft for the past month. I’ve never come across such a bunch of incompetent support people in my life
  
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  December 19, 2023 9:22am
- Flossie
  
  A PO box! How very last century! Even if you did a snail mail query why would you imagine any real person with a skerrick of influence would read it nevermind action anything. We aren’t valued clients of Sky – merely providers of an ever increasing monthly sum.
  
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  December 19, 2023 9:57am
  - cas
    
    Well there’s no point emailing or texting or ringing Sky because you would get the same rubbish non answer that I just got. If I lived in Auckland I would go and bang on their doors.
    
    In the past when I rang, usually with a problem, the people on the other end were very good and helpful.
    
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    December 19, 2023 2:13pm
Swifty

All of this cost, effort, social harm, waste, complexity and grief and all because successive governments meddled and interceded in what was a long-successful housing market to the point where demand vastly exceeded supply and now we’re at the point we are:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/505064/government-needs-to-get-to-the-bottom-of-what-is-happening-within-kainga-ora-minister-says

All these holier-than-thou politicians, nationally and locally, dictating what you can build, where you can build, how you must build, who can object, how they can object – and all the while artificially restricting urban land supply and none of them, absolutely none of them asked the basic question; what effect will my changes have on house prices?

Nobody kept an eye on the score board. And when house prices did start rising excessively over long run averages, nobody did anything effective to correct it.

The greatest and most harmful public policy disaster in New Zealand’s recent history, with millions more New Zealanders doomed to renting for their entire lives and with all the social dislocation that goes with it, and it was entirely man-made.

Entirely preventable.
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December 19, 2023 9:34am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I agree. The actions of the last 6 years were evil. Policies dressed up as helping people to afford housing achieved the exact opposite.
  
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  December 19, 2023 9:58am
  - artemisia
    
    I don’t know, BY. There are more folk living in cheap (taxpayer subsidised) housing these days, including motels and other transitional accommodation. And a fair bit is directly the result of recent Labour policies.
    
    Those policies would be the ones that protected tenants so much that landlords no longer made them an offer. Or the policies that forced costs up to the point that some rentals were sold and new builds dropped away. Or the policies that opened the immigration floodgates right when supply was insufficient, and that is yet another reason potentially risky tenants get to stay in a motel at income related rent.
    
    So, all planned by Labour? Does rather look like it.
    
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    December 19, 2023 10:50am
- Benedict Yu
  
  My prediction – this review by Bill English will bear no relationship to the “working groups” formed by Jacinda. It is likely that he will have a carefully chosen secretariat to support him. He will quickly get to the bottom of things.
  
  KO has 3,300 employees. I have a feeling there may be fewer in 12 months.
  
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  December 19, 2023 10:03am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Fewer by 3000.
    
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    December 19, 2023 1:57pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Good. Let Bill’s chainsaw rip!
    
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    December 19, 2023 8:51pm
- MCōs
  
  I bought my house in Mangere Bridge about eleven years ago. That is to say years before Labour came to power
  At the time house prices were rocketing away with big crowds at all the auctions all over extending themselves to try and buy a house they could barely afford
  I was lucky because I put an unconditional offer in for a house the day before the auction and the owner was desperate for the deposit money
  
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  December 19, 2023 10:50am
  - artemisia
    
    Lucky? Doubt it. Good management, probably over years, yes.
    
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    December 19, 2023 11:01am
Benedict Yu

Just when you think the Greens can’t get crazier.

“The independent reviews of Kāinga Ora announced today should be focused primarily on building enough houses to make sure everyone has a warm, dry, and affordable place to live.

“For this government to be more concerned about debt than giving everyone a place to live should tell you everything you need to know about where their values lie,” says the Green Party’s housing spokesperson, Tamatha Paul. ”

https://www.greens.org.nz/govt_gets_its_priorities_all_wrong_with_k_inga_ora_review
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December 19, 2023 9:55am
- Swifty
  
  The two-faced Green Party.
  
  They have been the greatest proponents of the housing market state interventions which have led us to some of the highest housing prices in the developed world – and all the resultant social harms.
  
  They haven’t a clue.
  
  Their policies destroy human lives and they just refuse to see it or admit it.
  
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  December 19, 2023 10:07am
- Swifty
  
  Oh, and again Paul reveals her total ignorance, the total barrenness of her understanding of the world.
  
  Money wasted in one area means less money available in other areas.
  
  Only someone who thinks money has an unlimited supply could say what she said.
  
  Her thinking is a menace to a high-performing New Zealand.
  
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  December 19, 2023 10:10am
- artemisia
  
  Well, Tamatha, how about those folk apply for some of the thousands of rental vacancies in New Zealand right now? Nearly 8,000 on Trademe alone. And they all have to meet Healthy Homes compliance.
  
  Affordable – well maybe not in all cases, but there have to be some consequences for poor life decisions even taking into account hefty taxpayer subsidies like Accommodation Supplement and TAS. Maybe families could step in …
  
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  December 19, 2023 10:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Many privately owned vacant houses in NZ. Wonder why?
  The owners are just sick of the wreckers and haters?
  My last employer had his rental contaminated – meth lab. He bulldozed it. Even though it was expensive to dispose the rubbish, it was less expensive than a repair!
  And yet these Tamatha Paul types bitch about not getting affordable housing?
  Fuck off!
  
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  December 19, 2023 2:05pm
OlderChas

Several times now I have heard Newshub Political Editor, Jenna Lynch, refer to the Prime Minister as simply “Luxon”. Not Mr Luxon, or Prime Minister Luxon or even Chris or Christopher Luxon. Just – Luxon.
Can anyone remember hearing her refer to Jacinda Adern as simply – Adern?
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December 19, 2023 9:57am
- Benedict Yu
  
  They cannot decide their contempt.
  
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  December 19, 2023 10:09am
- Vinicius
  
  To call things by their right names. The left and their media acolytes are scared and worried sick that Luxon and his government are going to succeed. Those in the MSM who deep down knew Labour were a total catastrophe cannot bring themselves admit it for obvious reasons.
  
  He annoys the hell out of them, long may it continue.
  
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  December 19, 2023 10:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Knew Labour were a total catastrophe, but the media loved the lolly scramble!
    
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    December 19, 2023 2:08pm
- Steve Todd
  
  @OlderChas @ 9:57AM
  
  Your point would have been better made if you had spelt Jacinda Ardern’s name correctly.
  
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  December 19, 2023 11:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I figured out who he meant all by myself. Clever!
    
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    December 19, 2023 12:04pm
- Ghost
  
  Nothing new, media call them by their last name. first name, full name, basically the same as most do here
  
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  December 19, 2023 11:36am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    No, actually that’s changed. It’s noticeable how RNZ, for example, continue to refer to someone as firstname lastname repeatedly, instead of firstname lastname once, and then Ms/ Mr lastname.
    
    It’s as if they’re scared of titles & pronouns
    
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    December 19, 2023 8:12pm
- Paulus
  
  Jenna Lynch is getting towards a screaming, shaky, breakdown as she totally and continually rudely castigates the new Government, and Luxon, every day – she is not even clever, in particular should be because her sleeping, now father, partner, is a senior Act employee I am led to believe.
  The Media Party did not win the election, so had better get real, as am sick of Newshub and am going elsewhere until she loses her job in the reorganisation which I assume is what she is
  about – Tova might get her job when she goes soon from whoever takes her.
  
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  December 19, 2023 1:40pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Fly on the wall – the bitch fights must be awesome.
    Unless it is all for show from both partners.
    
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    December 19, 2023 2:11pm
- cmm
  
  First names help make a personal connection – great for the feelz people.
  
  If you want to make someone seem impersonal then just use their surname.
  
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  December 19, 2023 3:49pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    At high school everyone was referred to by their surname. It was kind of fun.
    
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    December 19, 2023 8:54pm
Ghost

Awful experience and I hope Kmart do more than just apologize.

But, this is happening because the previous govt did nothing with shoplifters. People able to walk out without paying. I feel for the huge losses the shops have had to deal with. Also the fear many go to work with now

An Auckland woman says she had “the worst shopping experience” of her life after an apparent case of mistaken identity saw Kmart staff accuse her of shoplifting $800 worth of goods.

Article
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December 19, 2023 10:01am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I think you linked to the wrong article.
  
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  December 19, 2023 10:05am
  - Ghost
    
    Bugger
    
    Article
    
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    December 19, 2023 10:09am
    - Biscuit
      
      Mod, I must effing well PROTEST.
      
      Bloody Ghost just bleeding SWORE!
      
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      December 19, 2023 2:47pm
      - Ghost
        
        Bugger
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUNJd06iyWU
        
        Oooo Bugger
        
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        December 19, 2023 9:11pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/kmart-apologises-to-auckland-woman-after-police-descend-on-customer-wrongly-accused-of-theft/N3XO2Q2G4JHZZHMML4IVMSBP3Q/
  
  ““To demonstrate our commitment to making this right, we would like to offer you a sincerest apology.”
  
  Good grief. I would suggest that a $2,000 voucher would be in order.
  
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  December 19, 2023 10:08am
  - The Housekeeper
    
    I’m not so sure BY, the staff aren’t backing down at all but we’re not told why. Keeping in mind that you can walk out the door as long as the goods in your trolley are under $1000, I imagine some staff might be getting jumpy when a trolley hits over $800 – at Kmart.
    The staff had a choice, they could wait for her to walk out and charge her with shoplifting (probably a massive waste of time and money for Kmart) or they could challenge her instore thus forcing her to simply pay for her goods.
    If I had been accused of shopliftifting I certainly wouldn’t be telling the media unless I wanted some sort of payout. Why call the papers and attract attention to your possible dishonesty? This lady doth protest too much methinks.
    
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    December 19, 2023 4:33pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  I wonder if it was an AI/facial recognition fustercluck?
  
  I’ve had a couple of experiences of my online shopping falsely being declared “fraudulent” and my money refunded with goods not sent for no stated reason. Yet the same credentials and payment card work fine on other online sales platforms.
  
  On one occasion I rang the retailer and was told to “try again with different credentials”. I was also told they can’t view the reason their “fraud protection software package” labels someone’s transaction fraudulent. I think we will see a lot more of this crap in the near future. A kind of “Minority Report” meets “Idiocracy” future.
  
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  December 19, 2023 9:03pm
Tom Hunter

Who’s up for some Christmas Cheer?

I put this up on a more obscure KB post the other day, but it deserves a wider audience. Remember, these people think they should tell you what to do in all matters outside sex and drugs.

They are utterly batshit insane.
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December 19, 2023 10:05am
- Swifty
  
  Good grief.
  
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  December 19, 2023 10:20am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    You think that’s insane check out this video from 2017, a TV series called American Horror Story where they did an “Election Night” special for the 2016 election.
    
    The lack of self-awareness is just stunning. Laugh quotes everywhere but this was my fave:
    I won’t believe anything until I hear Rachel Maddow say it
    
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    December 19, 2023 10:44am
    - Swifty
      
      Hahahahahahahaha!
      
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      December 19, 2023 11:22am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Yes, the left in the USA are really losing their shit over Trump. I wonder if our esteemed host will take this on board?
        
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        December 19, 2023 2:15pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Liz Cheney is a head case – a RINO given here arse to her on a plate. Well she was in the J6 Kangaroo Committee.
  The rest are just repeaters, not reporters. We have them in NZ, just watch TV1/3.
  I think it is something is the water that affects lefties/socialists/commies. Leftover contamination of the 60s drugs, and some were vile!
  
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  December 19, 2023 2:25pm
kevn

Echoing Master Mariners recent comments…
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/global-trade-risk-shippers-shun-red-sea-over-houthis-attacks
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December 19, 2023 10:06am
- All_on_Red
  
  Its about to get real shooty for the Houthi
  The US has amassed a large naval force in addition to the CSG already there. This includes a Bataan Amphibious Ready Group. The UK and France have both sent Destroyers.
  I suspect Yemen is going to start going boom soon.
  
  Dear old Simon at the top of the thread is about to see some good old fashioned GAE projection of power.
  
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  December 19, 2023 11:04am
  - Paulus
    
    What Iran are doing, and using Houthi, is not new – there will be some Naval shootdowns soon.
    
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    December 19, 2023 1:42pm
- virtualmark
  
  Had a chuckle last week at the description of the Houthis after the US Navy captured a few of them in boats in the Red Sea … apparently the Western militaries refer to the Houthis as “special needs terrorists”.
  
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  December 19, 2023 1:32pm
  - kevn
    
    virtual… Just ‘fodder’ I suspect. Someone who knows about that location I spoke to recently, said the special needs boaty gunmen are all stoned. Mouthfuls of some drug concoction.
    
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    December 19, 2023 2:23pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Same as American Military training the Afghan Soldiers.
      Afghanis were always off their tits.
      
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      December 19, 2023 2:28pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Qat
      
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      December 19, 2023 8:14pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R9Ep25pl_c
Is the World Falling Apart? | Peter Zeihan.
The USA used its navy to guarantee trade during the Cold War. The condition was that a side had to be picked. And ground troops had to be promised as the land part of the equation. [13:19]
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December 19, 2023 10:11am
- NothingLeft
  
  Zeihan is interesting for insights, but is a perpetual pessimist (that’s what sells!!) and gets many/most of his trend predictions wrong over long term.
  
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  December 19, 2023 1:01pm
  - sungsamning
    
    I haven’t listened to him long enough to form an accurate opinion. At least he’s not irritatingly triumphalist like Dr Steve Turley.
    
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    December 19, 2023 6:25pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RlQIjZiBjk
Are our mainstream media cowards or anti-Semites?
Are our mainstream media cowards or anti-Semites? Are frogs waterproof? Do ducks swim? Do elephants like peanuts? [9:41]
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December 19, 2023 10:12am
kevn

dastardly plan…
https://ysb.co.nz/pfizer-makes-43-billion-bet-on-turbo-cancers/
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December 19, 2023 10:15am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Sounds cool but their share price is at nine year low with more bad news to come: Don’t invest in Pfizer – at least until their strategy changes:
  
  my advice would be for Pfizer to focus on creating drugs that work as advertised and steer clear of anything that requires massive State coercion since that can’t be sustained forever.
  
  Just a suggestion of course. My heart desires them to go bankrupt so that – paraphrasing the words of Voltaire upon hearing of the execution of RN Admiral Byng – others will be encouraged not to follow their path.
  
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  December 19, 2023 10:35am
- krazykiwi
  
  They create the market, then exploit the vulnerability of its unwitting participants. Pfizer is a crime against humanity.
  
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  December 19, 2023 11:01am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Which is why the World needs Nurenberg 2.0.
    But who is going to do it without getting destroyed Politically?.
    
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    December 19, 2023 2:33pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Nuremberg* ffs.
      According to my Doctor’s Psychiatrist, I see my comments as images.
      Spellcheck sure, and I check myself. I only find out that it is wrong afterwards.
      
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      December 19, 2023 4:28pm
ClanMcleod

A reminder of how badly treated a substantial group of innocent NZers were.

The authors of the Graso et al. study did not mention an important fact: fear and creating divisions and hatred towards the unvaccinated were completely intentional and had a purpose: to force vaccine refusers (who knew everything Maja Graso et al. described above, in 2021) to vaccinate through alienating their relatives and friends.

https://www.igor-chudov.com/p/the-unvaccinated-were-unfairly-scapegoated
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December 19, 2023 10:16am
rockape

National said it would do something to improve the safety of staff at hospitals, particularly in ED. What do you know they are interviewing for security staff this week.
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December 19, 2023 11:22am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/an-example-of-the-dishonesty-of-archives-new-zealand/?

Below that is a post about Maori blocking access to Waimarama Beach.
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December 19, 2023 11:45am
plc

I saw the Mayor of Wairoa on the news recently saying that the government had to help out those residents of the town who did not have insurance.

The lack of insurance is a conscious financial decision. You choose to forgo the safety net to have more disposable income. However there now seems to be an expectation if you choose that course then the government must bail you out and elected officials will advocate on your behalf.

There is even a parable for this story of moral hazard – The Grasshopper and the Ants.

When did personal responsibility leave the building?
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December 19, 2023 12:07pm
- Paulus
  
  It would appear that Christchurch started the — I am uninsured so the taxpayer must bail me out – its still on in Christchurch.
  So why should I buy my Insurance as the taxpayer will pay me – Ok ?
  
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  December 19, 2023 1:45pm
  - Ghost
    
    Some of this has also been amplified by the media with such stories as uninsured house burns down, give a little page set up…..
    
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    December 19, 2023 2:18pm
- Flossie
  
  Couldn’t agree with this more! So often the cry “and they weren’t insured!” and the expectation that others (taxpayers usually) will pick up the slack. I am a pensioner. I pay my insurance so I will protected if the worst happens. Can’t afford to pay others costs too.
  
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  December 19, 2023 2:14pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Some of our stuff is not insured. The would be premiums go into a slush fund.
  Boat is partially insured, so if there are no claims I can get extra goodies now and again like GPS/Fishfinder or just consumables.
  
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  December 19, 2023 3:02pm
- MCōs
  
  It could be argued that house insurance is an expensive scam
  For example
  I’ve owned a house and paid insurance for about fifty years. That’s probably about the equivalent of $70k in premiums. In that time I’ve made minimum claims.
  Nobody in our family has had a house written off in that time. That’s maybe $1.5-3mil in premiums
  If we decided instead to cancel the house insurance and all chip in in the unlikely event a house was lost we’d be better off.
  Conditions apply
  I heard of a huge factory in Egypt where everyone gave a few bucks if one of their number became seriously crook and needed expensive treatment
  Who knows what happened to the surplus dosh?
  
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  December 19, 2023 5:32pm
Bobba Fret

Simon Wilson bagging National in the NZ Herald again. NZH have made a big mistake though and opened it up for comments. Over 100 comments so far virtually all slamming Wilson and telling him to take off his rose spectacles! Sorry it is ‘premium’ article so some may not be able to read.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/cook-strait-ferries-the-toyota-corolla-principle-of-planning-simon-wilson/T2ZU4SIDXJDTXCRVC7WSS74JXY/
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December 19, 2023 12:32pm
- kowtow
  
  Talking of the Herald and comments and apologies if already covered but worth repeating ;
  
  https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/rob-macculloch-how-the-mainstream-media-this-time-the-nz-herald-manipulated-you-today
  
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  December 19, 2023 1:22pm
- Paulus
  
  Who is Simon Wilson ?
  
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  December 19, 2023 1:46pm
thirteenstars

Excellent from Bill Maher regards pro-Palestinian hypocrisy and fecklessness:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP-CRXROorw

Sure, for many years Maher was an enabler, a bit like Jon Stewart, pretending to be kinda-sorta balanced but not really.

But now, for Maher, a Jew, it’s personal. Best of all, he’s right.
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December 19, 2023 12:56pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Maher has some good moments.
  
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  December 19, 2023 9:08pm
Maggie Pie

Only just back from tennis lessons.
Thank God I took a towel to cover the seat.
Must have been the hottest day this season despite the cloud.
Headed over to Greenwoods Cnr for some of the best cream donuts in town.

WTF is it with Asian women on pushbikes when they come to a Roundabout?

SHEESH!!
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December 19, 2023 1:04pm
- Ghost
  
  It’s a hard life having to play Wii tennis in the heat……
  
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  December 19, 2023 1:14pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Gotta have something to do after the early shelf-stacking shift at Fresh Choice Otahuhu.
    
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    December 19, 2023 2:09pm
    - kevn
      
      mma… Or Pak ‘n Save Petone?
      
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      December 19, 2023 2:25pm
      - Biscuit
        
        Listen, folks, ‘Christmas Week’ is not a term interchangeable with ‘Pick On Maggie Pie Time’…
        
        Nope…
        
        Pick On Maggie Pie Time traditionally begins on December 30.
        
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        December 19, 2023 2:42pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Coincidentally, Biscuit, 30 December is the Pastafarian holy day of ‘get drunk early for Hogmanay.’
        
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        December 19, 2023 2:51pm
    - ProtectBabiesFromPredators
      
      You are entirely weird.
      
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      December 19, 2023 8:46pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Do Asian women cyclists stop on the Give Way like motorists do?
  Minds not on the job. Nearly slammed up someone’s arse at the Albany to motorway interchange at cut hill yesterday.
  He stopped at a green light! No other cars other than me. Yep, his cellphone rang.
  Now if a Demio wants to tangle with a Landcruiser, fine. My fault? Maybe. Dashcam says his fault, even though I was behind.
  
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  December 19, 2023 3:14pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Pretty sure even if someone slams their brakes on for “no apparent reason”, if you slam into them from behind you are at fault for not following at a safe enough distance to be able to brake in an emergency.
    
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    December 19, 2023 9:17pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Dashcam says he stopped and you were too close to him to stop ….. sorry ….
    
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    December 19, 2023 10:23pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yep, big difference between the Law and the Cause.
    Failing to stop clear of obstacle ahead.
    Of course one incident would lead to another incident – a physical lesson on driving habits.
    
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    December 20, 2023 8:19am
Clyde

Looks like some guards at Rimutaka have succumbed to temptation or something and inmates have been offering sex in exchange for contraband. I wondered at first if the sex was with inmates but it looks like some Bar Manager called Jacinta Cherry was the supplier of services. Wonder if her employer in the Hutt Valley is looking for her as well as the Police. She didn’t show up to Court and so her name was released.
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December 19, 2023 1:15pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not familiar of the whorehouses in the Hutt sorry.
  Someone may enlighten us…..
  
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  December 19, 2023 3:16pm
Fentex

Just because I’m avoiding getting in a shower;

I just read some news about the use of AI to create nonsense sites spewing misinformation and it occurred to me that this ought spur news sites to ensure they’re well edited, with good grammar and sensible logic – otherwise their cheapo spew won’t be distinguished from machine vomit.
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December 19, 2023 1:18pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Too late, Channel 1 – your new A.I. News Channel
  
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  December 19, 2023 1:57pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Thank fuck the TV1 Breakfast (NZ version of The View)is finished for the year.
    Problem is now the speaker of the house is in my ear before 7am.
    
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    December 19, 2023 3:22pm
What's the Frequency, Kenneth?

Seeing as the Giulani thread is probably dead, I’ll leave this description (by real lawyers) here:

What happened to Rudi Giuliani is a joke, that wasn’t a trial, it wasn’t even a show trial, it was a scam on American justice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrJ8a2mwj5k
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December 19, 2023 1:31pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Yeah, nah.
  
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  December 19, 2023 2:06pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Which one?
    
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    December 19, 2023 9:24pm
Vinicius

Sean Plunket on The Platform talking to Bob Jones.

To the point and entertaining (30 minutes).

https://theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/sir-bob-jones-reflects-on-the-year
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December 19, 2023 1:56pm
- Inandout
  
  Vin, Bob has led a very interesting life in property and I guess his take on Israel may reflect this. I don’t agree with his summation on Palestine but I will leave it at that.
  
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  December 19, 2023 2:34pm
- Biscuit
  
  Ooh, will def save that for a good look-see when I am assured of a half hour of peace and quiet.
  
  I never really made a habit of going to Annual General Meetings – mostly the dictionary definition of ‘D-u-l-l’) but, way back in the day as an inaugural (is that the word?) shareholder in RJI I made sure of going to as many of not-then-knighted Bob’s shindigs as I could.
  
  Never got to speak with TheMan himself but his stories/commentaries were well worth the listen.
  
  As, too, his blog, now sadly ended, was eminently deserving of a read.
  
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  December 19, 2023 2:38pm
Ghost

Live eruption from Iceland – Grindavík
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December 19, 2023 1:59pm
Maggie Pie

I see Q12 today is the Tattooed Scull to the PM.

What I’m looking forward to, is the day the Speaker tells Rawhiri his questions will not be allowed, unless he’s prepared to meet an acceptable dress-code in the House.
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December 19, 2023 2:01pm
- MCōs
  
  The graveyards are full of well dressed MPs who never made it off the backbenches
  
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  December 19, 2023 5:04pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Not really about being well dressed. More about not pissing all over the institution for shits and giggles.
    
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    December 19, 2023 9:26pm
krazykiwi

On the demise of ‘bad’ tyrants and the emergence of ‘good’ tyrants for whom the CBDC is a wet dream. An extract: –

[T]he excellent tyrant needs to eschew two things in particular: his own actions must not be constrained by law, and he must not afford the population a right to property against him.

He must not be constrained by law, because he needs complete flexibility – complete discretion – in order to respond to changing circumstances. The rigidity of rules are no good to him. What he needs – given that his task is to make the people utterly reliant on him – is the ability to be all things to all men, in every circumstance. There can therefore be no prohibitions on the scope of his action. Tyrannical rule is therefore characterised by an indifference or hostility to law as such; where used at all, law is a tool to be deployed vis-à-vis the populace, not a constraint on the ruler.

And in particular there must be no constraint on the ruler in the form of property rights. Since the excellent tyrant seeks above all to make the population reliant upon him, he cannot tolerate their owning possessions which he does not have the ultimate right to dispose of as he sees fit. He must only allow the population to ‘own’ things on sufferance, therefore; what he likes is to beneficently and liberally dole out prizes and rewards, so as to keep everybody onside – not to permit anybody to have an independent source of wealth of any kind

Skip the legal precedent story at the top to shorten the read.
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December 19, 2023 2:04pm
surfing

Luxon is terrible at bouncing off stupid accusations!

I refer to the tesla clean car rebate issue, and his learning of Maori. Both are non issues but his explanations were clumsy.

John Key was far better at rebuffing idiot questions… and Winston is the master. Luxon needs to drop Te Reo and start learning Winston style rebuffs!
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December 19, 2023 3:40pm
- MCōs
  
  Winston may be marvelous at the aggressive rebuff, but 90%+ of the electorate still vote for someone else
  
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  December 19, 2023 4:55pm
oldpark

At last Big Gerry the Parliament Speaker has finally come off the fence .
There was a wee guy an also ran at the last election .

The same wee guy who couldn’t run a bath when he was the de facto leader of the Labour Party . After the woman who was born in Morrinsville cut and ran away .Name Ardern .Putting him in her place .Another disaster.
Yes Big Gerry admonished the wee man waste of space Hipkins when he started attacking NZs Real PM Christopher Luxon regarding his dear wife .
Talk about the dance of the desperate and things that could have been if Hipkins had the star quality of our PM Christopher Luxon .
Proves NZs read the room and kicked out Hipkins Regime the guy who now goes to Parliament and starts attacking his replacement PM .Christopher Luxon and using Christophers’ Wife as a cheap political point with such an out of order comment .
Shame on you Hipkins .Of course a drowning man will clutch at a straw .
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December 19, 2023 3:41pm
- Ghost
  
  Luxon got a good hit on his leadership at the start
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/301029163/nz-politics-live-boisterous-clash-as-chris-takes-on-chris-in-parliament
  
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  December 19, 2023 4:03pm
Chris Nisbet

Wonderful to see legacy media focussing on the big issues. Intently focussed on whether or not Peters knows the English name of Kainga Ora (I didn’teven know there was one, and I’m sure many don’t know what it’s actually meant to do), but apparently not too bothered about whether it’s delivering anything useful from the billions of taxpayer dollars currently being shovelled its way.
I’ll be a happy chappy when the first one of them falls.
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December 19, 2023 4:06pm
- Ghost
  
  I believe the English name is bottomless money pit?
  
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  December 19, 2023 4:09pm
- Jack5
  
  This is a Leftist-media ploy to divert attention from Kainga Ora’s finance scandal.
  
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  December 19, 2023 6:23pm
- MCōs
  
  As I recall Mr Peters is one of those MPs who insists the government departments be referred to by their English names.
  I know Homes & Communities is a bit of a mouthful for an old codger. Maybe he should have thought that
  
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  December 19, 2023 9:36pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie was just telling me she heard people calling into ZB earlier and telling the host they pay $89 a week in rent to KO.

Really? That would hardly pay the Rates on some moldy dump in The Hutt!
When is the former PM Bill English’s review due? The quicker thay start selling everything off to private investors the better off we’ll all be.
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December 19, 2023 4:45pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  You do your “Qu’ils mangent de la brioche” act so well. Vile.
  
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  December 19, 2023 6:17pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    “Let them drive Celica”
    
    Viler 😎
    
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    December 19, 2023 6:37pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      You are one of those folk who never know when to stop digging.
      
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      December 19, 2023 7:26pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Confucious say: “Woman who stop digging, never strike gold” 😛
        
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        December 19, 2023 7:42pm
      - ProtectBabiesFromPredators
        
        Unfortunately, whenever someone strikes a chord, that chord is within you.
        You should stop resonating. better for your health!
        
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        December 19, 2023 9:08pm
greybeard

TV3 Cooking program today which started at 3pm.

An advertisement from Countdown for Whittakers Chocolate Blocks, now for $4.50 each.
The ad. also says “25% off” and “Save $1.79”.

Who at Countdown is checking these figures ?

My calculations say that the original price was $6.00, and 25% off gives $4.50.
And we save $1.50, not $1.79.

Trivial , I know, but bloody annoying.
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December 19, 2023 4:50pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes as trivial as trivial can be.
  
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  December 19, 2023 6:14pm
  - greybeard
    
    Oh dear.
    Still pissed-off about the NZ PM’s Canberra flights comments ?
    And is there something wrong with demanding accuracy in food advertising ?
    
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    December 19, 2023 6:29pm
Swifty

The earth is flat after all….

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/ZzpVkDBguqiSm5K9/?mibextid=KsPBc6

Heh.
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December 19, 2023 5:18pm
- Ghost
  
  Thank god that is now settled. Hopefully now he can focus on visiting a dentist
  
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  December 19, 2023 5:33pm
Chuck Bird

I heard all this BS about Luxon’s wife. As a matter of principle, it does not matter whether it is local or central government a person’s family and especially their wife is relevant is some cases.

If a minister’s wife holds shares and the minister influences the share price it is relevant just like the issue with airport shares.

Many very wealthy people are very generous. Luxon does not appear to be one of them. It appears he has not made a donation to the National Party over $15k.

Pay the money back Luxon you tight ass.
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December 19, 2023 5:25pm
- Ghost
  
  Why should Luxon donate money to national? This is national, they have substantial donations and don’t need their mp’s to keep the money flowing, unlike labour.
  
  If a government allows a rebate for wealthy people to buy a car then good on the wealthy people for using that government scheme. No one should then have to pay it back when the scheme is stopped.
  
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  December 19, 2023 5:44pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Then why should Luxon’s name be on emails asking for donations.
    
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    December 19, 2023 5:46pm
    - Ghost
      
      He’s the leader of successful party that has a lot of supporters that donate to it, doesn’t mean he should have to donate to it as well. His job is to make the party appeal to those who do want to donate
      
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      December 19, 2023 6:35pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I will never vote Labour or Labour Lite.
    
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    December 19, 2023 5:53pm
    - Ghost
      
      I don’t think anyone cares who you will or not vote for. Or who the latest party to make you feel butt hurt is.
      
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      December 19, 2023 6:36pm
    - kevn
      
      chuck… That leaves you 2 other sensible voting options that make the coalition.
      
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      December 19, 2023 8:24pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  That is such bullshit. If the Government introduces stupid policies, take full advantage. How many extremely wealthy over 65s send their ‘winter energy payment’ back?
  
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  December 19, 2023 5:51pm
  - MCōs
    
    That’s the spirit!
    
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    December 19, 2023 9:18pm
surfing

On the TV news tonight… emergency shipping containers worth 10’s of thousands of each are being delivered to tribes around the motu.

Right at the end, they say it is funded by the tribe, and Te Puni Kōkiri … in other words, yet another taxpayer funded sop for maori, possibly millions of dollars… but, the journalists kept the funding details very very quiet.
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December 19, 2023 6:35pm
- kevn
  
  surf… Lets hope the containers contents stay put. Sounds like they are full of goodies, food for humans, pets and a generator.
  Check the useby dates a bit later on folks. Exploding cans are smelly/nasty.
  
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  December 19, 2023 8:28pm
Chuck Bird

I see in Oz a Minister in NZ resigned because she did not declare some share. She should have put them in her partner’s name. I doubt if that would work in Oz.
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December 19, 2023 7:26pm
ecco

Robertson getting desperate to try and salvage his beyond repair reputation as finance minister. Has got his shill, Thomas Coughlan at the nzh to try and write an article saying National left unfunded policies. The article is so useless it doesn’t even give a total of the ‘unfunded’ policies. I don’t recall Robertson yelping at the time about anything like that. At any rate that was 6 years ago and over $100b of borrowed money later by Robertson.

Robertson clearly hasn’t got any work offers on the table or else he would have high tailed it out of parliament by now. It would be totally negligent for Otago University to offer this man any sort of job involving government funding. In fact I hope the government cuts Otago’s funding if they do go ahead and hire Robertson.
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December 19, 2023 7:37pm
Ghost

This isn’t surprising. Awful for those families

Te Whatu Ora has revealed a small number of people may have been identified in stolen Covid-19 vaccination data.

Earlier this month a former staff member released information online but Te Whatu Ora said at the time there were no identifying details and the data was anonymised.

The health agency was also looking into the possibility the person who leaked the data took other information.

Article
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