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Maggie Pie

3WATERS BOOBY-TRAP SET FOR NATIONAL.

Labor have racked-up a BILLION DOLLARS of contracted costs that this new government can’t get out of….

https://twitter.com/fr33k1w1/status/1732598261712847133
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December 8, 2023 8:06am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  427 new staff. Money is no problem if it’s not yours.
  
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  December 8, 2023 8:10am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    If they were signing new contracts after the election result, that is insane.
    
    There is a problem in New Zealand with the “caretaker convention”. It should be revisited to restrict activities of the public service from the start of the election period. That could be (say) 60 days before election day, all the way up to the swearing in of new Ministers in a new government.
    
    IIRC, in Australia, the Public Service is quite curtailed in what it can do during the “caretaker period”. It certainly cannot enter into major contracts. Officials are prohibited from providing advice to Ministers during the election campaign, barring an emergency such as a natural disaster.
    
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    December 8, 2023 8:30am
    - pdm
      
      BY – commendable but, the left would not follow such rules.
      
      As as been proved by these 3/5/10/AllWaters they have no respect for any political conventions.
      
      These actions are so extreme it is impossible to believe some Labour Cabinet members were not donkey deep in aiding and abetting them.
      
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      December 8, 2023 9:08am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Well it would be a start. In my experience, the convention in Australia is strictly adhered to. However it probably has been in place for decades.
        
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        December 8, 2023 9:26am
      - RoboRob
        
        The best example of this would be the re appointment of Adrian Orr just prior to the election, where convention had been to leave such re appointments until after a election.
        
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        December 8, 2023 9:27am
      - Nickc2
        
        aiding and abetting them
        IMO, a Royal Commission of Inquiry should be convened to look into all activities involving 3Waters and Mahuta Corp.
        
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        December 8, 2023 10:25am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Post Election would not worry Labour. Probably find that the 427 new employees are on 3 to 5 year contracts as well.
      Labour these days seem to be as corrupt and as crooked and the American Democrats.
      Lie, cheat, steal is just how they flow.
      
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      December 8, 2023 9:28am
      - JackRabbit
        
        Any wonder Hipkins has been screaming like a freshly neutered banshee that National’s Policies will cause unemployment. He is right.
        
        There are 427 jobs right there that are destined for the chopping block if the govt follows through on it’s coalition agreements.
        
        Along with the jobs at Taumata Arowai. c having been legislated and set up during lockdown in 2020, and staffed by Mahuta’s lot.
        
        We were led to believe that 3 Waters legislation was being enacted in 2022/2023, but Taumata Arowai was already in gear and chundering along two years earlier. Smoke and Mirrors.
        
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        December 8, 2023 12:06pm
      - cmm
        
        JackR: It is a stretch to call those 427 jobs or “loss of employment”. No real work was done. No value added to society.
        
        These are 427 snouts pulled out of the trough.
        
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        December 8, 2023 3:17pm
    - rouppe
      
      Signing new contracts is not caretaker behaviour.
      
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      December 8, 2023 10:55am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      What bewilders me is how such blatant, deliberate, extremely costly sabotage cannot apparently be overturned?
      
      It’s next level and it is borderline treason. It is deliberately harming the country for political reasons.
      
      Reminds me of Cullen laughing when telling the media ‘the cupboard is bare’ when they were beaten in the election.
      
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      December 8, 2023 11:07am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        And it should be pointed out to voters every day of the next three years
        
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        December 8, 2023 11:13am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        “It’s next level and it is borderline treason. It is deliberately harming the country for political reasons.”
        One name sticks out like dog’s balls – ARDERN!
        
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        December 8, 2023 11:35am
      - cmm
        
        “It’s next level and it is borderline treason. It is deliberately harming the country for political reasons.”
        
        This is nothing new.
        Remember the partial asset sales that Labour/Greens sabotaged by saying they would nationalise as soon as they came back into power?
        That cost NZ $2bn (when that was real money) and when they got back into power they did nothing.
        
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        December 8, 2023 11:39am
      - sungsamning
        
        Could the department not be renamed? Then given $0 in the mini-budget? Then closed? New department. New generic employment contracts, and legislation abolishing it.
        
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        December 8, 2023 12:35pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      A new high paid manger was appointed after the election, all ministries were warned not to decide for them selves if they know the sector is in for an over haul or cancellation, I note Hipkins snd the other jovial clown went very silent.
      
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      December 8, 2023 11:12am
    - penguincouple
      
      In the old days when I was in a civil servant, regardless of which department I worked at, prior to the election our manager will take us through the caretaker convention and tell us what and what not to do. SSC also email every staff about three months prior to the election.
      
      I don’t think the caretaker convention (as an unwritten rule) is lost. It is the left-wing civil servants infiltrating the public sector and executing the custom with flaw (or just ignoring it).
      
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      December 8, 2023 12:21pm
      - cmm
        
        penguin: I will hazard a guess that in those days people tended to mix with a far broader cross section of society.
        
        If you were a civil servant you had to look people in the eye when you went to social functions etc and you really couldn’t pull too many stunts without some social push back.
        
        Now people live in wee bubbles – especially in Wellington. They don’t have to live with any consequences and don’t mix with the general population.
        
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        December 8, 2023 3:14pm
  - rouppe
    
    Reassign them.
    
    The turn around time from DIA to do anything is in the months, up to 11 months.
    
    Obviously plenty of work there.
    
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    December 8, 2023 10:54am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    That is just another mess the new government can use to beat the previous worst government in history around the head
    
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    December 8, 2023 11:10am
- Nukuleka
  
  Send the Labour Party the bill.
  
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  December 8, 2023 8:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Labour will just borrow money that my great grandkids have to pay back.
    
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    December 8, 2023 8:19am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, National must have known what was in store with 3 waters and as parliament is supposedly the highest court in the land they must enact new laws to halt this madness. No good clutching pearls.
  
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  December 8, 2023 8:19am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    National do know, but Luxon wants 3 waters and co-governance.
    Tell me I am wrong.
    
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    December 8, 2023 9:31am
    - leoj
      
      Luxon, the bold, will send a “letter of expectation.”
      
      Such letters will be the namby-pamby party’s response to undoing Labour’s disastrous policies.
      
      So far, Winnie has provided the push-back. Luxon and Seymour have been quiet, mostly typical of gutless politicians.
      
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      December 8, 2023 10:10am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Winston’s first speech was even entertaining.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJafGRNvJwg
        
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        December 8, 2023 11:38am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Luxon has stated from day one that 3 waters will be gone, and he has clearly stated that there will be no co governance in services, why are we still bullshitting the facts now we have hanged the rotten Marxist regime?
      
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      December 8, 2023 11:16am
      - JackRabbit
        
        Taumata Arowai has to go as part of 3 Waters, but because Taumata Arowai has kept a low profile, and Luxon is saying they are keeping Taumata Arowai as part of the new water services, it is all bullshit.
        
        It is like boarding up the shop front and keeping the operations going in the back room.
        
        This is the main reason why they named govt departments with Maori names – to prevent the public finding out they exist. The public see a Maori name somewhere an don’t think anything of it, because they can’t be bothered translating it.
        
        Especially when the double translation alters the meaning.
        
        “Labour Embezzlement Operations Centre”, becomes “Te Pokapū Whakahaere Moni Moni” in Maori, but when translated to English becomes
        “Financial Management Center”. So who would suspect anything?
        
        “Taumata Arowai” in Maori translates as “Chemical Level” in English. Not the new Water Services Entity.
        
        In fact there is NO formal English title name given on the Website.
        
        Smoke and Mirrors.
        
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        December 8, 2023 12:20pm
      - leoj
        
        I will happily loudly congratulate the namby-pambies when (and if) they actually undo Labour’s policies, especially this one.
        
        History tells that the namby-pamby party often fails to follow through.
        
        Luxon, the bold (not), does not inspire confidence.
        
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        December 8, 2023 5:36pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Thank hod Labour did not completely pull it off then, I am sure it will have a law change, but if costs have to be paid then that’s the price of getting rid of these bums.
    
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    December 8, 2023 11:14am
- Ruahine
  
  Labour has looted the the taxpayers of New Zealand.
  
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  December 8, 2023 8:26am
  - RalphT
    
    No, Labour has rooted the taxpayers of New Zealand. Stuffed for generations to come.
    
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    December 8, 2023 9:27am
    - Vinicius
      
      Labour looted AND rooted the taxpayers of NZ.
      
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      December 8, 2023 10:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You spelt ‘rooted’ wrong.
    
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    December 8, 2023 9:31am
- Vinicius
  
  If those in the Wellington bureaucracy carry on this hostility to the duly elected government too far it will give the new administration a perfect excuse to get the public sector back into something resembling good shape with some much-needed reorganisation and cuts.
  
  That’s if the government really has the fortitude to do it.
  
  The dude from the HRC Paul Hunt will surely be replaced in January 2024 when his term is up. Also the Public Sector Commissioner’s time is up early in 2024 Also the DIA needs a shakeup, ditto for MBIE, and the Electoral Commission.
  
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  December 8, 2023 8:31am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Betcha most of the CEs and senior staff voted Labour or Greens. That is why we must adopt the US convention that they tender their resignations to a new Government who may or may not accept it. Its a nonsense to say the Public Service is neutral it hasnt been neutral for decades. Remember The March Through The Institutions. Well the Public Service is one of those Institutions.
    We may as well be honest and face up rather than trying to ignore the reality.
    
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    December 8, 2023 10:00am
    - Stu2
      
      Did you note how many hopelessly underqualified individuals Trump appointed then replaced? They might have been good at business but leading a political/policy agency and keeping on side with Trump was a different story.
      
      Mass political appointments then complete changes after a regime change don’t appeal at all.
      
      You can get some seriously inadequate individuals
      
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      December 8, 2023 10:56am
      - Matt Long
        
        As opposed to the competence and ability to get things done in the public sector today?
        Have you seen, roads, crime, health, education, corrections etc.
        Some of Trump’s hires were bizarre, but he fired plenty of failures. We give them seniority.
        
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        December 8, 2023 11:31am
      - mawm
        
        Trump was advised on whom to appoint by the GOP snakes in the grass. They managed to get enough into his administration to hamper his best efforts.
        
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        December 8, 2023 11:34am
      - Stu2
        
        Matt – do you really want Julie Anne Genter to select the Secretary for Transport?
        Or “Slash is Ok” Nash to appoint a dept head?
        Or Winston?
        Or Shane Jones?
        …
        
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        December 8, 2023 12:50pm
      - Matt Long
        
        Stu, my impression is that particularly in education, the current top management are exactly the worst kind of people the greens and Labour would appoint.
        At least we would get a change from hard left on occasion if the centre left parties like National could appoint centrist common sense people with a desire to improve education standards.
        
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        December 8, 2023 2:02pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Try “The Fifth Risk” by Michael Lewis for a plain version of the Trump appointment saga. Hair-raising in places ….
        
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        December 8, 2023 5:29pm
      - virtualmark
        
        The only person that Trump hired who was any good at their job was Stormy Daniels.
        
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        December 8, 2023 6:29pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    Goldsmith has just confirmed Hunt won’t be retained after January.
    
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    December 8, 2023 10:21am
- penguincouple
  
  It’s time this country has a serious discussion on civil servants’ personal liability.
  
  I know it sounds scary at the outset. “Talented people will be deterred to join public service.” / “That is outrageous. They are here to serve us. Why should they risk their personal property?” …
  
  However, if we think about it, we impose liabilities on company directors for reckless trading, for breaches of directors’ duties. The threshold is high. The Courts are there to interpret and safeguard the application of the law. Why can’t we apply the same rules and expectations on (very) senior government officials – say, tiers 1 and 2 of each government agency?
  
  The obligations on directors did not appear to have deterred the talented from serving on company boards. In fact, the Labour government introduced legislation in 2022 to apply similar logic on officers of incorporated societies. The public service sector should face the same level of scrutiny. At the very least, it should start teaching civil servants to apply taxpayers’ funds responsibly.
  
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  December 8, 2023 8:39am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    See my comment on the “caretaker convention”. The problem is that under current convention, these public servants are acting lawfully. The outgoing Minister has full authority to direct public servants up until the minute the new Minister is sworn in.
    
    This is not the first time I have come across such issues in New Zealand. The public service basically carries on during the election as if the current government is in place. In Australia, where I have worked in government, that is simply not the case. During the election period, the public service is severely curtailed in what it can do. It cannot even advise the Minister. The rationale is to stop what we are seeing here with three waters.
    
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    December 8, 2023 9:12am
    - JimBobJoe
      
      It is supposed to be like that here Ben. The Public Service Commissioner is supposed to issue a note to all agencies about spending and projects.
      
      I have worked in Agencies where any project likely to be canned by incoming government is put on go slow or hold and no new contracts signed…
      
      IF DIA has pushed large contracts on 3 Waters in the campaign and while coalition has formed then they will have some big trouble to deal with…. validity of contracts could be questioned given constitutional norms about hand over of executive power post elections…
      
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      December 8, 2023 11:02am
      - MikeMan
        
        I can assure you they have and they knew they were up against a timer, the plan was to get so far down the road it was too expensive to cancel.
        
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        December 9, 2023 8:15am
    - JJ56
      
      https://www.dpmc.govt.nz/our-business-units/cabinet-office/supporting-work-cabinet/cabinet-manual/6-elections-transitions-3
      
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      December 8, 2023 6:22pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Jenny Shipley got fined Millions of dollars because she was a Director of Mainzeal and didn’t impair the loan to the Chinese owners who ended up walking away and defaulting on it. What these bureaucrats have done is far more dishonest.
    
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    December 8, 2023 9:15am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Plain and simple, they are not accountable – to anyone.
    
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    December 8, 2023 9:37am
  - gravedodger
    
    That is why I am disturbed as thy go after the engineer principal of the design team for the CTV building that Pancaked following the second major seismic event in February 2011.
    
    The Building survived the September 2010 quake then was allowed to be reoccupied by an official from The City Council only to collapse totally killing 159 occupants five months later.
    Many of those workers had expressed serious concerns the Building was not safe.
    
    I have never heard a single word of questioning for the council crat who declared the Building safe to resume occupation.
    
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    December 8, 2023 12:34pm
    - Graeme Hall
      
      Agree. Our 1920 wooden house, was certified as safe (green stickered) by a qualified civil engineer. The CTV building, about a km away, was certified as safe by three unqualified Council employees. Odd way of prioritising limited resources in the CBD.
      
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      December 8, 2023 1:36pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    I don’t have a problem with making public servants personally liable in the same way as directors. But we need to deal with the unintended consequence of said directors/public servants spending literally billions of shareholders/taxpayers money mitigating or insuring against the associated risks.
    
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    December 8, 2023 1:40pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Note that the public sector equivalent of a company director or Chair is … the Minister.
    
    I think civil servants need to be held measured more tightly on performance, with mechanisms to let people go when they fail to perform. But to propose using civil prosecutions in employment issues is nuts. But hey, feel free to try that yourself in your own employment. (Narrator: He won’t try that in his own employment).
    
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    December 8, 2023 6:33pm
- Dougal10
  
  Every new employee and landlord involved in this knew the opposition stance on this and still participated. Shut it down now those involved took the risk and lost!
  
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  December 8, 2023 8:44am
  - I remember when
    
    Could there simply be a civil servants’ personal liability period only during the election/post election periods?
    
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    December 8, 2023 10:06am
- Clyde
  
  It is more than time that the Liemore Pardy are completely exposed in the various woke crap stuff they have been indulging in. Of course the MSM won’t do it as news stories, but I’d suggest that full page ads be taken out in all MSM printed outlets (I’m sure that these could be funded by those who value the truth) to list the various cockups and rorts that the last Govt has left behind.
  
  It would also be neat for that MSM to have to publish these lists and records.
  
  The Scott base fiasco, the 3 waters nonsense, the ferry terminals etc, the maori health balls up – its adding up to be a big list.
  
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  December 8, 2023 8:52am
  - Grunter
    
    Remember that the MSM aren’t allowed to criticise 3-Waters if they are funded by the NZ on Air propaganda fund.
    
    The NZ Taxpayers Union is most likely the vehicle to fund an ad campaign in MSM, but the Leftards would simply ignore it as a ‘right-wing conspiracy theory’, so probably a waste of money.
    
    The problem we now have is that the entrenched Leftards movement (Labour, Green, Maori Separatists Party) is moving even further left/woke/weird/racist.
    
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    December 8, 2023 9:08am
  - PeeJay
    
    Good idea but the MSM would not run the adverts. Seem to recall recent issues with this kind of thing, possibly stop co-governance?
    
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    December 8, 2023 9:47am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    We all know of someone who would know all of the skullduggery. Nothing will be written down, no paper trail, that was the rule.
    Trouble is, she ran away.
    
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    December 8, 2023 9:49am
- Simon
  
  Sell off state assets to cover these costs.
  
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  December 8, 2023 8:54am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    One or two national parks should cover it, and leave ample for proper tax cuts.
    
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    December 8, 2023 9:42am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Sell all the State owned vehicles. Even the PM can take public transport.
      No limousine drivers required – extra bonus.
      
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      December 8, 2023 9:52am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Would that include all the police cars and defence force vehicles?
        
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        December 8, 2023 10:08am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        If public transport is pushed to the max, then yes. Sell all Hospital vehicles too.
        Most would be leased not owned I think.
        
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        December 8, 2023 11:43am
    - Matt Long
      
      Just the mineral and selective felling right would work fine.
      
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      December 8, 2023 11:40am
- rockape
  
  Just go for cuts to fund this, the mother of all budgets. Cut every area of service and blame Labour. 10% of pensions and benefits including those of public servants will teach them not to vote Labour.
  
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  December 8, 2023 8:59am
  - RoboRob
    
    Slashing pensions (why?) and benefits would just lock in those sections of the population as Labour voters. There are plenty of pensioners (the majority) who vote right or Winston.
    
    What they should do is make the departments who signed the contracts knowing that the government could change and that the new government was cancelling this crap, responsible. I.e. It must be funded out of additional (on top of the 6.5%) expenditure cuts. Perhaps a 10% deduction from manager and CEO pay until the money is recouped (like student loan repayments).
    For departments being closed, 3 waters, they should go after exit packages. Perhaps the option of ‘voluntarily decline your golden parachute or we will sack you for incompetence rather than just making you redundant’.
    
    None of the management who took part in this ‘pre government change over spend up’ should ever be employed in the public sector again. The government needs to set up a list of people banned from public sector jobs. I have personally seen incompetent people managed out of one department only to be hired by another. Allowing people to resign rather than sacking them (like just happened with the CHCH city manager) just allows them to fail in a future position.
    
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    December 8, 2023 9:40am
  - Ghost
    
    So, pensioners who are already struggling with the cost of living will go without. Disabled people will have to suffer more. You will just cause more problems. And then you want to punish public servants for how they vote?
    
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    December 8, 2023 9:43am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Slash pensions? We get fuck all now. $380 per week, to pay everything.
    
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    December 8, 2023 9:55am
  - waikatosinger
    
    Cutting 10% of pensions and benefits including those of public servants would more likely teach them not to vote National.
    
    This dead rat cannot be swallowed. The convention that government are bound to contracts signed by previous governments is just that – a convention that sovereignty has the power to override. There are costs to doing so. But everyone involved knew that this was shady.
    
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    December 8, 2023 11:01am
    - Don Beckett
      
      But there is no reason why staff, if unable to be sacked or retired, can be re-assigned to other agencies – it is no reason at all to retain 3/10 Waters.
      Leases on buildings can be re-negotiated or sub-let.
      
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      December 8, 2023 12:12pm
      - waikatosinger
        
        Unable to be fired? Bullshit. Sack them all. If it takes an act of parliament, do it.
        
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        December 8, 2023 12:24pm
      - Swifty
        
        Put them all to work on the roads.
        
        😀
        
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        December 8, 2023 12:24pm
      - Ghost
        
        The roads are crap enough now, let’s not make them any worse
        
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        December 8, 2023 12:30pm
    - Paulus
      
      Don’t remember hearing that the conventions were abused under National !
      
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      December 8, 2023 1:40pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  If only we had a fourth estate that held the last government to account with the same zeal it seems to want to hold this government to account.
  
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  December 8, 2023 9:22am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Most media are rabid lefties.
    
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    December 8, 2023 9:56am
  - Paulus
    
    The new Government is being held to account after one week.
    But when you look at today s Herald picture of the outgoing Finance Minister I would be more worried about the cheating machinations and traps he has left.
    In addition I would say from the picture of him here is a Heart Attack going, as he looks puffy , and is seriously overweight, and really slobby robby.
    Can’t he now afford a tie in Parliament now ?
    
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    December 8, 2023 10:39am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Rubbish, letters of expectation to managers in ministries that are staying, but why would he do this when they have stats 3 waters will be gone
      
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      December 8, 2023 12:13pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The pic of Robertson laughing while sitting side on with his mouth generously ajar is priceless, you would think the blow hard would be embarrassed
      
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      December 8, 2023 12:15pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Who are these people signing up to a job when they must have realised that if Nats win the election the job would no longer exist. I assume the contracts all have some sort of payout clause if terminated early. I guess that is why they signed up.
  
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  December 8, 2023 10:23am
- Countrygirl
  
  Sorry, fat fingers
  
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  December 8, 2023 10:47am
- all true
  
  The world’s corruptest country that’s what we are.
  6 years of the highest corruptest politicians brings indeed an entire country to its knees.
  
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  December 8, 2023 12:04pm
- kevn
  
  SABOTAGE on a big scale. Shitting on NZer’s….
  
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  December 8, 2023 6:48pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Let’s move a bus stop, only $700,000. What’s the bet it will be 3 times that?
It is outside Peaches and Cream. Adult sex shop. It’s not as if the products are displayed in the window ffs.
So far out of touch! Get a life.
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December 8, 2023 8:08am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Utterly insane. This attitude is a throw back to the stereotypical customer of these outlets being perverts in raincoats who may molest the poor children waiting at the bus stop. These days, many upstanding people visit Peaches and Cream. So a friend tells me anyway. 😳
  
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  December 8, 2023 8:20am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They will never have even hears of the “Erotica” show at Greenlane showgrounds, let alone been to it.
    Maybe a big fat dildo will fix it?
    
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    December 8, 2023 8:23am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      heard*
      
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      December 8, 2023 11:45am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    What will the council do if the shop’s lease expires, and it moves to another location?
    To be fair though, it seems a large part of the cost is to build a proper modern bus stop,
    
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    December 8, 2023 8:27am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Why? What is wrong with a sex shop? It is just a business, not illegal.
      Fuddy duddies lead very sheltered lives.
      Ban all vape shops, ban all cigarette shops, ban all gun shops.
      Fuck! Ban everything.
      
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      December 8, 2023 8:38am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I didn’t say there was anything wrong with a sex shop.
        
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        December 8, 2023 8:45am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        So if Peaches and Cream have to move, they can rent by another bust stop!
        Listen to all of the Aunties getting their knickers in a twist all over again.
        
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        December 8, 2023 9:59am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Mike
        
        “mikenmildagain
        
        I didn’t say there was anything wrong with a sex shop.
        
        Thumb up 2 Thumb down 11 REPORTDECEMBER 8, 2023 8:45AM”
        
        Do you get the impression that if Pavlov had access to kiwiblog he wouldn’t have needed the dogs and the bell!
        
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        December 8, 2023 10:05am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        imalwaysright
        It’s always amusing to see the snowflakes triggered by something particularly harmless.
        
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        December 8, 2023 11:12am
    - Simon
      
      Proper modern bus stop? It’s a bus stop. $700 k. The disconnect between the clowns pissing $700 k away and the poors who have to catch a bus.
      
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      December 8, 2023 8:58am
      - pdm
        
        Simon surely $1,000 would get a serviceable bus stop.
        
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        December 8, 2023 9:13am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        If you had asked me how much for a bus stop, I might have guessed $20,000. How can a bus stop cost as much as a good house, including land?
        
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        December 8, 2023 9:14am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Benedict – Consultants.
        
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        December 8, 2023 9:17am
      - cmm
        
        The poors are not paying the current cost of a ride, so why would they be paying that extra $4 for the flash new bus stop?
        
        Here in Christchurch a bus ride costs $2 (“free” if you are using gold card). The actual cost of providing that ride is well over $10. With the addition of a new bus stop that is now $15 or more.
        
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        December 8, 2023 9:36am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Moving the bus stop will see the creation of a raised platform and signalled crossing as well as a bus shelter and a bus cage.
        
        Costs are 350k each from council and Waka Kotahi.
        
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        December 8, 2023 9:45am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Mike, the Council and Land Transport pay nothing.
        The Ratepayer and Taxpayer pay.
        
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        December 8, 2023 10:04am
    - cmm
      
      “To be fair though, it seems a large part of the cost is to build a proper modern bus stop,”
      
      $700,000 can build a house. A very, very nice house.
      
      A “proper modern busstop” does not need to cost more than $20k.
      
      But this is the least of the waste in the bus system.
      
      I rarely see a bus with more than 3 passengers. Sure, these rare things do exist around peak times but most of the time they do not.
      
      If bus passengers really do want $700k “proper modern bus stops” then let them pay.
      
      If a bus stop gets 50 users a day and we want to pay this back over 10 years, then it is costing an extra $4 per ride.
      Add that to the real cost of a bus ride – around $10 to $15 and let’s just make bus tickets $20 a ride.
      
      But who cares? It is all subsidised. Just gold plate it because taxpayers pay.
      
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      December 8, 2023 9:30am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        The bus route it is on has 480,000 passenger trips per year, and this stop appears to be very busy.
        
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        December 8, 2023 9:47am
      - Matt Long
        
        Cmm, you’re forgetting the need for 2km of cones on the road, and a dozen traffic control people with 2 to 4 crumple zone trucks every time someone takes a tape measure to the bus stop.
        You don’t need that every day while constructing a house (Yet), only while doing the entrance.
        
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        December 8, 2023 9:47am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yep, $7K will build a very nice house. But it is the land.
        In my case it is over $1600 per sq meter. 1000 sq M = $1.6M – just for the dirt!
        
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        December 8, 2023 10:08am
      - I remember when
        
        mandm:
        So perhaps 2000 per day, usually the same 2000.
        Maybe we could say 5000 reasonably regular users.
        Percentage of the population?
        
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        December 8, 2023 10:19am
      - imalwaysright
        
        I could do a bus stop for $300, metal sign on the lamp post and a rectangle of dashed yellow lines and home by 11.30.
        
        $700,000 is enough for 23 hip replacements. Ten or twelve surgeons , doctors , nurses , and scanners involved in each one.
        Where is the cost breakdown for the $700k bus stop.
        
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        December 8, 2023 11:41am
      - Ghost
        
        We don’t have busses anymore, just on demand vans. They put in a new stop for one a month ago. Redid the complete lay out of the road including putting a speed bump raised crossing by it. Complete waste of money for basically a council run taxi
        
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        December 8, 2023 11:56am
      - Countrygirl
        
        Regarding consultants, surely once we pay for one modern stop to be designed we can use the same design over and over again and get down to BYs $20k which seems plenty of money to me.
        
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        December 8, 2023 11:59am
      - JackRabbit
        
        The bus route it is on has 480,000 passenger trips per year, and this stop appears to be very busy.
        
        It’s probably busy because of the sex shop.
        
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        December 8, 2023 12:27pm
    - rouppe
      
      What is a “proper, modern” bus stop, and what will be the material difference to what is currently there?
      
      A bog standard aluminium framed shelter shouldn’t cost more than $10,000 (being generous here), some concreting $5,000. Where’s the rest of it being spent?
      
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      December 8, 2023 11:04am
- Inandout
  
  SO, years ago in Takapuna we owned a dairy and the bus stop was right outside so parking was limited. We asked the council to please move the stop a few metres along so customers could stop outside the shop and they happily obliged. The whole repainting and sign moving took 4 hours and of course was of no cost to us. Now a whole process would have to be engaged at and the cost I imagine would be thousands of dollars.
  
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  December 8, 2023 10:49am
- waikatosinger
  
  That bus stop is directly across the road from the central bus terminal. It is literally less than 100 metres away from it. Just get the buses to stop there. You don’t need a brand new $700,000 bus stop; not that a bus stop should cost anything like that much. No wonder they want to put my rates up 26%. Time to clean out the entire council.
  
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  December 8, 2023 3:35pm
slightlyrighty

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/301023141/tova-podcast-mori-are-being-shafted-and-we-cant-accept-thats-okay

Today’s opinion piece from Tova. How long before she, and the other Lefty Luvvies figure out that the reason for Maori non achievement might actually be Maori themselves?

Maori can, and do achieve at the highest levels in pretty much every field, and we need to stop telling them that the reason they fail is because Maori don’t get a fair go, because that is a lie.
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December 8, 2023 8:11am
- riffer
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Got any research you can point to which substantiates or validates that opinion?
  
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  December 8, 2023 9:35am
  - RoboRob
    
    ‘Maori can, and do achieve at the highest levels in pretty much every field’
    
    Riffer, do you disagree with this statement? If some can, why not others? Is it really the system and if so why does this system not hurt other ethnic groups in the same way?
    
    We have spent 50 years telling maori they are owed support by society becuase of historic wrongs. We have put in place hand outs and special rules to help Maori. That has failed. That would seem to point towards SRs point, that perhaps it is Maori that must help themselves.
    
    I would point to Ngai Tahu who have built support and training opportunities using their treaty funds to help their people. I suspect the Maori in this part of the world are doing much better than those whose tribes bought rugby league teams.
    
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    December 8, 2023 9:47am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Some can achieve high – but some are welfare dependent.
      That is just where Labour, Greens, and TPM want them.
      
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      December 8, 2023 10:15am
  - Swifty
    
    Maori cousins of mine came back from service in the Pacific and Europe respectively and started an East Coast transport company with one beat up old truck. They ran freight from Gisborne down to Hawkes Bay and up to Te Araroa and Hicks Bay and everywhere in between. This was in the late 40s.
    
    Grew a fleet of trucks, sold out in the 1970s and bought motels. Retired successful, happy and content in the 1990s.
    
    The truth is that what is holding many Maori back is themselves – and my cousins would have been the first to say that, and they did.
    
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    December 8, 2023 12:08pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    @riffer
    
    You don’t need evidence to spot the obvious.
    Maoris being responsible for their own level of learning is self evident. And that first starts with three things:
    
    [1] The idea that they are responsible for their level of learning.
    
    [2] That English, not Te Reo, is what they must learn to succeed.
    
    [3] And that to learn they must arrive at the place of learning every day. i.e. school.
    
    In principle it is no different to ensure that when you take a leak (as a male), you are responsible for not wetting your shoes or trousers. You don’t blame the shoe manufacturer if you have a poor aim. And you don’t blame the trouser manufacturer if you don’t bother unzipping your fly, before taking a leak.
    
    Yet as a comparison principle, the Maori activists and media luvvies seem to be blaming everything and everyone else for wet pants and shoes when they go to the toilet.
    
    If someone cannot make the logical connection that they have to do the learning, that it must be done in the language that is commonly used, and they must turn up to lessons, then there is no hope.
    
    And if you can’t see the self evidence of that, then there is no hope for you.
    
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    December 8, 2023 12:41pm
  - Taieri
    
    Got any research you can point to which substantiates or validates that opinion?
    —————
    
    Governor General – Maori
    Deputy PM – Maori
    Leaders of 3 parties in the Parliament – Maori
    27% of MPs elected in 2023 – Maori
    
    Any more research?
    
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    December 8, 2023 6:54pm
- Paulus
  
  Maori inability to learn is actually purely historic, and they know it pathetically.
  
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  December 8, 2023 10:41am
  - imalwaysright
    
    P
    That is a ridiculous statement for more than the obvious reason.
    A cultural resistance to engaging with education does not mean that they can’t.
    
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    December 8, 2023 11:49am
    - waikatosinger
      
      Inequality in education is disappearing … because quality is collapsing. Our students are becoming equally ignorant.
      
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      December 8, 2023 12:30pm
G152

Evidently Damien O’Connor has forgotten that the attack on Israel by the hamas was the igniting point for the current action by Israel against hamas.
But I doubt it.
And as for the Iranian refugee take all your verbage and return from whence you came and find how little your countrymen care for the words of a woman.
But then again I am pretty sure you know which is why your parents left that hell to allow you a life.
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December 8, 2023 8:13am
- k1w1
  
  O’Connors comments were vile.
  
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  December 8, 2023 9:14am
  - RoboRob
    
    But not unexpected.
    
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    December 8, 2023 9:51am
    - rockape
      
      He will be leaving soon anyway. I can name is replacement in WCT it’s been an open secret for a couple of years. He was a very lazy MP in the electorate, known as Mr Invisible. Maybe he is trying to be more visible by being the village idiot now.
      
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      December 8, 2023 10:45am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Female dairy farmer right ?
        
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        December 8, 2023 12:17pm
Benedict Yu

The Human Rights Commission is a prime example of a good idea gone very bad. They thought that it was a good idea to appoint a ‘Co chief executive’ to “protect the human rights dimension of te Tiriti o Waitangi”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/504170/justice-minister-paul-goldsmith-refuses-to-express-confidence-in-chief-human-rights-commissioner-paul-hunt

Incredibly, the Commission now employs 80 staff. 🤯 It has turned into an activist organisation. There are many examples.

https://tikatangata.org.nz//our-work/inquiry-into-the-pacific-pay-gap

It has a professionally produced YouTube channel with only 1,200 subscribers, and videos, clearly produced at great expense, with very low views.

https://youtu.be/yTfjKWuHth4?si=wHAo7hGTPZ409aps

I don’t agree with ACT that it should be abolished. However it should be massively wound back. All the activism needs to be stopped dead. It should manage quite happily on a staff of 20 rather than 80.
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December 8, 2023 8:20am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Most Public Sector Departments are infested with activists, and we are paying for it.
  
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  December 8, 2023 8:25am
- Souvlaki
  
  I have a contrary view Benedict…it should be abolished stat. It , in reality is nothing more than a left wing propaganda outfit which has strayed way off course.
  It serves no meaningful purpose!
  
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  December 8, 2023 8:39am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “left wing propaganda outfit” = activists.
    
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    December 8, 2023 10:18am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Yes, abolish it. There’s a Human Rights Act that defines certain offences. Fine, let the Crown prosecute any wrongs and have the courts consider them. No need for a special commission.
    
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    December 8, 2023 10:24am
  - waikatosinger
    
    I agree. Abolish it, see how things go for a few years without it. Maybe rebuild something sane in a few years time if there is found to be a need. Beyond a certain level of infestation with leftists, reform of an organisation becomes impossible.
    
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    December 8, 2023 12:36pm
- Matt Long
  
  What would be lost? There was no outcry about human rights abuses during the lockdowns or Vax mandates.
  At least Fonterra has gotten a axk on 5he hand, but note according to the story this lady was only fired because of Jacinda’s little helpers amongst her workmates.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/fonterra-worker-sacked-for-not-wearing-a-mask-despite-medical-exemption-awarded-30k/3X7HK7VJQZANXH7MFQONXWWODA/
  
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  December 8, 2023 8:40am
  - I remember when
    
    Fonterra reacted to the fear and then were made to pay the fare.
    That’s fair.
    
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    December 8, 2023 9:30am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The mask was only a small thing. She was not vaccinated, that made people react like she had leprosy.
    Anyway, an exemption was easy to get. I had one. Didn’t even give a reason when I applied, just clicked ‘other,’ and that was it.
    
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    December 8, 2023 10:24am
- Cassandra
  
  Abolish. Start again, just expand the Ombudsman’s team by 2 or 3. And NO racial stuff. There are more, by far, disadvantaged NZers with no Maori connection than Maoris. Maori deprivation is a myth. I know dozens of Maoris who are far better off than middle class me. I know dozens of Maoris older than me who will outlive me.
  
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  December 8, 2023 8:41am
- Tomtoddy
  
  The problem with winding it back is that bureaucracy has an in-built ability to immediately start growing again. Show me a bureaucracy that has ever reduced of its own accord??
  
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  December 8, 2023 8:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Run the show like a business and the winding back is easy. DCM, you are not needed.
    
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    December 8, 2023 10:26am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Bureaucracy is like a bacteria: It’s primary purpose is to grow by consuming its host’s resources, and will continue doing so until those resources run out. The trouble is bureaucracy is the last thing to die … long after the rest of us.
    
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    December 8, 2023 2:58pm
- Random T Person
  
  I wrote a case study yesterday on a software company which has around 1000 clients globally. The company consists of the ‘CEO’, and two developers. That’s all. They make enterprise helpdesk software.
  
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  December 8, 2023 8:51am
- RoboRob
  
  Should totally be abolished. It serves ZERO purpose except to say ‘we care about human rights, see we have a whole department’. You know what thats called right, rhymes with ‘purtue wriggling’.
  
  As proof it serves zero point, where was it when Labour blocked NZ citizens (some pregnant) from re entering the country?
  
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  December 8, 2023 8:52am
- Michael Johnston
  
  I do agree with ACT. The most efficient way to fix the cultural problem would be to abolish the organisation and start a new, much smaller one with a hand-picked CEO.
  
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  December 8, 2023 8:59am
  - Paulus
    
    Understand the HRC CEO was hand picked from the UK Labour Party.
    
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    December 8, 2023 10:45am
  - rouppe
    
    Well… The current ceo was also hand picked.
    
    If you’re going to have an organisation like this, you set it up with a charter which makes it clear that human rights are the same for all humans.
    
    Then when they cry racism for a Maori being harmed by someone from another race, but are silent when a white person is harmed by someone from another race, you have grounds to dismiss.
    
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    December 8, 2023 11:10am
- PeeJay
  
  Rarely do I completely and utterly disagree with you but this is one of those rare times.
  
  This agency, along with others like the Race Relations commission, Ministry for Women, Ministry for Pacific Peoples etc. should all be abolished. They produce nothing of value and are simply a well paid resting home for left wing activists.
  
  We have some 70+ government ministries, with ministers and associate ministers in some, numerous state owned enterprises, and numerous other semi-government organizations. And that’s before we consider local / regional government.
  
  NZ is a small country – our population is effectively that of Sydney or Melbourne – yet we have quite a burden of bureaucracy.
  
  We should be cutting back on bureaucracy, especially pointless things like the HRC. Bureaucracy will never willingly reduce – and if they do, it is merely the long game while they wait for Labour / Greens to get back and the spending is let loose.
  
  Abolish them – they serve no purpose, other than to add to the taxation burden.
  
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  December 8, 2023 9:11am
  - stiff cheese
    
    Abolish the NZ Geographic Board too.
    
    It’s racially stacked 50-50, so clearly an attempt at co-governance (that no one voted for).
    
    Apparent mission statement: erase European sounding names from the landscape; and waste time on trivial changes like renaming Rimutaka to Remutaka.
    
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    December 8, 2023 12:13pm
    - Jack5
      
      The link below lists the 10 members of the Geographic board.
      
      Two of them are nominated by the Ministry of Maori Development, and a third by the South Island tribe, Ngai Tahu.
      
      In addition, Merata Kawharu, a Maori academic at Otago, was nominated by the Minister for Land Information.
      
      https://www.linz.govt.nz/our-work/new-zealand-geographic-board/about-new-zealand-geographic-board/board-members
      
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      December 8, 2023 5:25pm
- Paulus
  
  The Human Rights Commission should be abandoned when the current Pommie Labour Party man’s contract expires shortly.
  
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  December 8, 2023 10:43am
- Swifty
  
  A prediction.
  
  We’ve all seen the push by the HRC over the last few years about equal pay transparency.
  
  Mark my words – in the next 5-10 years we will see the call by the HRC for centrally set wages and salaries in the interest of ‘fairness’.
  
  “A teacher with a 3 year degree and 10 years experience is on $90,000 per annum but an engineer with the same time studying and experience is on $185,000.
  
  How is that fair?
  
  People with the same qualifications and experience should be paid the same.”
  
  They will want to establish a new government body to set wages and salaries to fix this unfairness and to lead us all into broad sunlit uplands.
  
  No regard to market forces. No regard to supply and demand. No regard to personal preferences. No regard to company or industry profitability. No regard to downstream co sequences.
  
  No regard to anything except their vision for the world and how we are just all playthings in their ideological masturbation.
  
  Mark my words.
  
  Abolish it now before it’s too late.
  
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  December 8, 2023 11:57am
- sungsamning
  
  It should be repurposed to promote the Bill of Rights.
  
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  December 8, 2023 12:48pm
Maggie Pie

Since she became Auckland Central MP, I’ve always considered Chloe’s grooming-regime to be a little suss. But honestly…..

https://twitter.com/Julie_nzkiwi/status/1732360478960369801

And OMG….THE COMMENTS 😀
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December 8, 2023 8:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Just don’t mention the moustache. you will get shot down in flames.
  
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  December 8, 2023 8:32am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Its like seeing a child actor twenty years on.
    
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    December 8, 2023 8:40am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes that is, well, notable. Her face looks quite different from only 12 months ago. 😳 It looks more than just a change in fashion style.
  
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  December 8, 2023 8:43am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Definitely more manly – maybe transitioning? Will Chloe be the first transitioning member of parliament?
    
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    December 8, 2023 9:17am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Movember has finished.
      
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      December 8, 2023 10:31am
- Scooter
  
  If she wasn’t so young I’d say she’s had a few too many face lifts (what is that fuzz on her face?)
  
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  December 8, 2023 8:55am
  - Matt Long
    
    There are antipsychotic medications that cause an increase in hirsuteness.
    
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    December 8, 2023 9:52am
- Simon
  
  If Auckland CBD looked like a person.
  
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  December 8, 2023 9:04am
Ipanema69

Andrew Coster – Take the hint, negotiate an exit package and leave. This is only going to end badly for you.
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December 8, 2023 8:34am
Maggy Wassilieff

Bob Dylan selling his Scottish Mansion -Aultmore House
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgrp9967v0po

Aultmore House was once the house of NZ spy (Special Ops)- Major Charles Hargreaves

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/major-charles-hargreaves-483534.html
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December 8, 2023 8:38am
Ipanema69

Free advice to Nicola Willis. If the David Warburton who is the project director for IREX is the former CEO of Auckland Transport then sack him and find someone else. The presence of AT on anyones cv should have you running for the hills.
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December 8, 2023 8:40am
Vinicius

IRD calls for $2 billion of Covid business loans to be paid back.

Another Labour train wreck for the new government to sort out because of silly and ill-conceived Covid policies.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018918598/ird-calls-for-dollar2-billion-of-covid-business-loans-to-be-paid-back

“Employers and Manufacturers Association (EMA) head of advocacy Alan McDonald said he was not surprised with that figure given the tough challenges and climate for businesses.”
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December 8, 2023 8:43am
- Random T Person
  
  I took the max Covid small business loan even though I didn’t need it. After all, it was interest free money which I offset on my mortgage. I paid it all back right on time.
  
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  December 8, 2023 9:09am
- Libertarians are right
  
  They are low interest loans (3%), why would businesses pay them back before their overdrafts and other loans that are at 8+%?
  
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  December 8, 2023 9:27am
Ipanema69

Memo to Helen Clark. Take a leaf out of the ohn Key playbook and just STFU when it comes to government policy. No one cares what our previou previous previous previous prime minister thinks.
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December 8, 2023 8:44am
- MCōs
  
  John Key, Don Brash and Jim Bolger for that matter have all spoken up when they disagreed with the previous administration.
  I don’t know about Jenny Shipley.
  
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  December 8, 2023 10:34am
Liberty

I watched parliamentary proceedings Thursday afternoon, observing the first day of the new government. It was an auspicious day indeed. The opposition only offered a paltry argument: “How will the National Government fund tax cuts?” The answer is quite clear. The government will not be burdened with any expenses. Instead, tax revenues will decrease. Libertarians contend that this will curtail governmental pillaging of private assets.
Furthermore, this decreased fiscal pressure would usher in an improved economic climate. The National Government is also rightfully halting the reckless pumped hydro project, Auckland and Wellington light rail, and making wise reductions to government administration. Thus, a slight decrease in PAYE can only improve the economy.
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December 8, 2023 8:44am
- Vinicius
  
  The funniest thing about cancellation of the Lake Onslow project was the dude who dreamed the idea up throwing his toys out of the cot.
  
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  December 8, 2023 8:55am
  - I remember when
    
    Naturally our media sources will make references to the Snowy River Hydro 2.0 Scheme.
    
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    December 8, 2023 9:19am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I thought the idea was a brain fart from an Auckland Uni dropkick.
    
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    December 8, 2023 10:37am
    - Vinicius
      
      It was Earl Bardsley an Associate Professor from Waikato University.
      
      https://profiles.waikato.ac.nz/earl.bardsley
      
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      December 8, 2023 10:55am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Nats looked into when in, found out the 6 billion cost at that time to have it just for dry years was a waste of time, some leftie tried to tell me it would be used for storage from solar power, how stupid do idiot lefties think we are? It is not designed to store anything, it’s simply to create a turbine to produce energy
    
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    December 8, 2023 12:23pm
- Clyde
  
  I thought that Gerry Brownlee did a good job as Speaker and that Peters was excellent in exposing the Scott Base fiasco as well as stamping his authority round the Gaza resolution. What I can’t tolerate is this woke virtue signalling by the maori lot and the Watermelons. To say that all maori support Palestinians because they are both colonised is just shit, and of course draping yourself in Hamas regalia sends a great message while ignoring the atrocities that started this latest round of brutality.
  
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  December 8, 2023 8:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Parliament dress code needs enforcing, right down to no hats in the House.
    Time for some respect.
    
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    December 8, 2023 10:40am
    - Paulus
      
      And perhaps a tie for slobby grant.
      
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      December 8, 2023 10:48am
    - 7kiwi11
      
      No weapons to be waved around either.
      
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      December 8, 2023 4:05pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        That mace has always intimidated me.
        
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        December 8, 2023 4:14pm
  - mogg
    
    What we are seeing is the product of NZ teaching in schools and universities. They are producing ‘useful idiots’ and the goal is Marxism at any cost.
    
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    December 8, 2023 11:48am
- Ian Boag
  
  a slight decrease in PAYE can only improve the economy
  
  That’s not how it was campaigned on … they seemed to think they would fund the cuts using new extra revenue from a house sale tax on foreigners and by taxing offshore internet gambling …. these ideas were resolutely defended …..
  
  If a slight unfunded decrease in PAYE will improve things, maybe a more-than-slight decrease would work even better 🙂
  
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  December 8, 2023 8:59am
  - Grunter
    
    Absolutely!
    
    All taxes are legalised theft. Only the Govt is legally allowed to take our money from us. The more they take, the more they waste, the more they intervene in the natural free market and create inefficiencies and distortions.
    
    Tax is morally wrong – IMO
    
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    December 8, 2023 9:15am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Tax break. I have been saying tis a long time. More disposable income stimulates the economy and there is more GST paid.
    Somehow lefties don’t comprehend that.
    Tax cuts for your rich mates is bollocks.
    
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    December 8, 2023 10:43am
    - MCōs
      
      More money in your pocket (I haven’t had money in my pocket for years, but that’s the way politicians like to talk) also stimulates inflation
      That’s the way the capitalist system works
      
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      December 8, 2023 2:31pm
      - Taieri
        
        And the same money, but in the Government’s “pocket” doesn’t?
        
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        December 8, 2023 6:59pm
Maggie Pie

And why do the ‘LEFT’ hate new National MP James Meager?

Some are saying…. “it’s because he’s a half-caste that walked off the plantation”

https://twitter.com/PronouncedHare/status/1732537523258446282
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December 8, 2023 8:54am
- Clyde
  
  Because he makes sense. Making sense is contrary to the Watermelons and the East Polynesians.
  
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  December 8, 2023 8:58am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Again with the ‘East Polynesians’ crap.
    
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    December 8, 2023 11:49am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yes, of course Clyde should be referring to eastern Polynesians.…as these scientists do in this paper…
      
      Investigating the origins of eastern Polynesians using genome-wide data
      
      https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-20026-8
      
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      December 8, 2023 12:59pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Maggy, you know as well as I do that ‘East Polynesians’ is not the correct name for Māori -it’s just Clyde’s racist crap.
        
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        December 8, 2023 4:02pm
      - Taieri
        
        Would it also be a racist crap to refer to Germans as Europeans?
        
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        December 8, 2023 7:01pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Rubbish..
        
        Folks get classified in many racial/ethnic/cultural ways…
        
        For instance, I have variously had to fill in boxes recording my ethnicity, as:
        Pakeha
        NZer
        Caucasian
        European
        
        (tho’ my lot must be at least 4000 years away from the Caucasus and 3000 years away from Mainland Europe)
        
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        December 8, 2023 7:03pm
    - Paul
      
      East or West, still Polynesians, Mike, who navigated blindly a little over twice the length of New Zealand, going South.
      Your comment “mikenmildagain
      The bus route it is on has 480,000 passenger trips per year, and this stop appears to be very busy.”
      Cobham Drive gas 70,000 vehicle movements daily, so your shining example of a busy Bus Route looks a bit Pale?
      
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      December 8, 2023 8:46pm
- I remember when
  
  If he is a half-caste he has more Maori blood than the majority of the Maori population.
  
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  December 8, 2023 9:10am
- Scooter
  
  Maybe the same reason they are attacking Brooke van Velden, because they don’t conform to their narrative or whatever. They know they have no chance against Winston etc so are going for the newbies. But maybe the “newbies” are more than up for the challenge and certainly have more intelligence.
  
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  December 8, 2023 9:31am
- Libertarians are right
  
  It’s also amazing how so many people don’t understand what Socialism is.
  The welfare safety net is not Socialism.
  State funded education and healthcare is not Socialism.
  Even State Housing is not Socialism.
  These things are Social Policy paid for by a Capitalist system.
  Socialism is the State ownership of the means of production which EVERY TIME has resulted in no money for the things above.
  
  They are also actively lying about the Government’s policies. The Government are not in any way taking away any of the safety nets that were used by Meagre’s family. Not even ACT want this. In fact, they this Government actually wants those people to succeed.
  
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  December 8, 2023 10:30am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He looks like he is more Māori than most in parliament, I love the way he simply slapped the vulgar left, I suggest he will be pm at sometime in the 30s
  
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  December 8, 2023 12:26pm
I remember when

Newsletter from The Post Editor:
“The ballooning infrastructure deficit is looking worse by the day, with the chickens coming home to roost from billions and billions of deferred maintenance, in which both parties are guilty.”
“But there’s a risk that the Government’s first three years will be completely overshadowed by divisions over its policies winding back the influence of the Treaty and te reo.”

All of a sudden The Post have discovered our ‘ballooning infrastructure deficit” and both parties are guilty.
Of course, only one party has been in a position to do anything about it for the last six years.

The new Government is winding back the influence of the Treaty and te reo.
Not refining, adjusting, fine-tuning, modifying.
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December 8, 2023 8:59am
I remember when

What we have all been waiting for!
The Post’s eagerly awaited battlelines poster will be available from this weekend.
There will be a copy in your newspaper this weekend and digital subscribers will also be able to dowload a digital version at The Post.

Great to see The Post suddenly become so interested in keeping us fully advised on what the Government is doing.

Where have they been for much of the last six years??
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December 8, 2023 9:05am
I remember when

How long can you blame the last lot? Gordon Campbell.
Obviously Gordon has fallen and banged his head and is suffering from ‘the last six years’ amnesia.
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December 8, 2023 9:13am
Tomtoddy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlvRDoe5DIk Another great video on the climate change nonsense. Well worth watching even though its quite long. Tom Nelson has many excellent videos on YT.
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December 8, 2023 9:16am
nathie

The Human Rights Commission is in the news:

On Thursday, the Justice Minister, Paul Goldsmith, refused to express confidence in the Commission’s Chief, Paul Hunt, and said its decision to appoint a co-chief executive role, undertaken by Julia Whaipooti, was not “appropriate”.

Meanwhile, the ACT Party is reigniting calls for the Commission to be abolished entirely.

The chief executive of the Human Rights Commission, Meg de Ronde, says the organisation is an independent crown entity and its ability to promote human rights without interference from the government is essential.

Interesting interview on Morning Report. Their CEO (Meg de Ronde) claims the HRC provides a “necessary” function as they are independent (as in from Govt/interference) … but then went on to say that they are “governed by the “Paris Principles” …

Hang on a minute, you are not independent if you are governed and owe allegiance to the woke Europeans (and to make it worse the hypocritical French)!

Then the CEO talks about their “shared partnership leader role” (Te Tiriti based) and helpfully explains that the HRC has disestablished the deputy role to create a shared co-leader role. Well I’m sure salary and support personnel costs have risen to accommodate this! Has another small army of bureaucrats been formed? How much is this costing?

But get this, the CEO explains the need for the Te Tiriti based shared/co-leader role to be established is due to …. race relations.

Hang on a minute – we already have a Race Relations Commissioner and Office!

This sounds like scope creep by the HRC!

Disestablish the HRC!

There are no human rights issues in a democratic NZ (and if there was a reason to speak up surely that would have been during Labour’s covid mandates over-reach and the HRC was silent)!

If, I say if, there is a genuine need for shared/co-leader role then possibly that’s more suited to the Race Relations Office! (Personally I don’t think it is needed – I’m just pointing out it seems more obvious it could be a RR function not a flippin’ HRC function for crying out loud)! Wellington, despite the change of Govt, the public servants (servants or masters?) are out of control spraying tax payer funding around as if Labour are still in charge … the PS needs to wake up!

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018918679/government-keen-to-change-how-human-rights-commission-operates
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December 8, 2023 9:22am
- Swifty
  
  I wonder if Julia Whaipooti’s role was advertised and whether non-Maori were eligible to apply for it? Or was it for Maori only?
  
  If it wasn’t advertised or if it was restricted to people of one race only – wouldn’t that be a breach of New Zealand’s equal opportunity human rights legislation?
  
  Or, alternatively, was the appointment of ex-Labour MP Louisa Wall in to her non-advertised role a precedent – that equal opportunity legislation, that we all have to obey, can be just skirted around by the HRC, with absolutely no consequences to them?
  
  So many questions….
  
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  December 8, 2023 10:58am
- Vinicius
  
  Reading through the commissions FAQ is revealing.
  
  https://tikatangata.org.nz/resources-and-support/frequently-asked-questions
  
  Does NZ really need all this stuff?
  
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  December 8, 2023 11:11am
Bridgenag

The Hallet Inquiry: Translating Boris Speak

https://open.substack.com/pub/trusttheevidence/p/the-hallet-inquiry-translating-boris?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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December 8, 2023 9:32am
ecco

That’s a shame that Ryan Bridge is leaving the AM show. He’s the only reason I would watch the AM show on mysky playback. One of the few presenters in the nz msm not totally joined at the hip to the nz left leaning part of the spectrum. I’m not sure if I’ll watch Bridge in his new 7pm slot.

Mind you don’t blame him leaving with those breakfast show hours. I was reading the other day how a British breakfast presenter believed her early onset dementia maybe due to those early morning starts. Not beyond the realms of possibility.

Will certainly not be watching Bridge’s replacement Lloyd Burr who appears to me to be another left wing shill. Such a shame, the AM show was quite good when it was Garner and Richardson. I guess nothing stays the same these days. Not in the nz msm media anyway.
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December 8, 2023 9:35am
- RoboRob
  
  Feel the same way. Burr, who like Tova, was TV3s London reporter is likely a left leaning tool. I’m not sure if its PC England that does it to these guys. I think Tame spent a lot of time over there early in his ‘career’ too, adn just look at him now.
  
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  December 8, 2023 10:01am
  - MCōs
    
    Jack Tame was based in the former UK colony of New York.
    
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    December 8, 2023 12:06pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      UK colony? New York was a Dutch colony, it was build as a place called new Amsterdam, pretty sure the lady in the harbour is from Holond, but that could be wrong it may have been from the French
      
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      December 8, 2023 12:32pm
      - fightingtemeraire
        
        Statue was given by France.
        
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        December 8, 2023 12:57pm
      - MCōs
        
        The name ‘York’ is a bit of a giveaway
        That area used to be called New Netherlands until the British pinched it off the Dutch in the 17th century and renamed it after the Duke of York
        
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        December 8, 2023 1:47pm
- rouppe
  
  Ryan is going to the 7pm slot to replace that shit show called The Project
  
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  December 8, 2023 11:37am
  - stiff cheese
    
    I think Ryan will lift TV3’s ratings in the 7pm time slot. . . therefore offsetting Burr dragging down the AM show ratings.
    
    I can’t stomach Burr since I read his rant against KJK (Posie Parker) and his promise to be at Albert Park with Tova.
    
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    December 8, 2023 12:48pm
  - MCōs
    
    Both the Project & Seven Sharp are/were lightweight
    Whoever controls the TV channels must have figured at one time that their clientele don’t want to do much thinking beyond answering some quiz questions.
    The news is hardly comprehensive considering there’s an hour to fill particularly offshore. Whatever Brian Tamaki’s protest du jour gets airtime, but not conflagrations in Myanmar, Yemen, Sudan . . & I’m sure there’s stuff going on in Africa and/or South America
    The weather is covered in minute detail for every hamlet in the motu!
    
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    December 8, 2023 1:06pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Oh, so they have finally got rid of all centre right media people, the worst was getting rid of the guy on radio that did the show before HDA, she will be next. It’s a wonder they didn’t grab Tova
  
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  December 8, 2023 12:29pm
Maggie Pie

Schoolboy ginga turns to TIKTOK to promote his ‘priorities for New Zealand’.

https://www.tiktok.com/@chrishipkinsmp/video/7309760605722873090

My fave comment from: FREETHINKER…

“You need to stfu now. You and Jacinda destroyed our country and divided it. You are a WEF traitor and your time is coming. Buckle up”
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December 8, 2023 9:38am
- Benedict Yu
  
  There are also some very odd supporters there:
  
  “we should be able to sign a petition for a new general election, and it be enacted.”
  
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  December 8, 2023 10:11am
- mogg
  
  Hipkins is lost in his own head. What on earth is the point of him continuing to repeat everything he said before the election, when he already knows it has been rejected by voters big time.
  He is just repeating the same old crap and then saying ‘we have got some new ideas’.
  
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  December 8, 2023 12:14pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Signalling his adherence to (far -left) tribal dogma is essential to his retaining his leadership position, however unelectable that dogma might be.
    
    As with Angry Little in the pre-Ardern years – every time the polls gave them a further smack-down showing population rejecting their idiocy their loud-but-stupid activist’s would start wailing that the trouble was they weren’t sufficiently far-left, and leadership would acquiesce in a death-spiral of zealotry.
    
    Same thing happens in religious political and academic groups of all sorts where unhinged loud nutty fringes with least rationality and no conception of balance progressively overwhelm and marginalize moderates. See development of academia, fundamentalist Islam, Greens, Feminism, Far-Left and Far Right. Social media manufactures echo chambers, amplifying the most extreme and insane viewpoints and makes them appear more popular than they really are – over time changes the way that moderate supporters see things and increases polarisation.
    
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    December 8, 2023 1:23pm
    - mogg
      
      Yes that way of thinking would explain their suicidal attitude while they were in government. Socialism really is head up your own ass behaviour.
      
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      December 8, 2023 4:38pm
mikenmildagain

Our view is we should expel the Russian ambassador, we should withdraw our own diplomat<

– Christopher Luxon, March 2022

now that we’re in government, now that situation has continued, we’ll have a look at that and the new foreign minister will look at that.

– Christopher Luxon, December 2023
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December 8, 2023 10:13am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Oh well mike, maybe it’s an opportunity to roll out that old Labour Twitterati favorite excuse of: that was then, this is now…
  
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  December 8, 2023 11:14am
  - MCōs
    
    Mr Luxon is most certainly not Labour
    
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    December 8, 2023 11:54am
    - Jack5
      
      It is a strength of Luxon’s if he can adapt his views when circumstances change.
      
      If you’re finding it hard to adapt to NZ’s new political position, Milky, this article might help a little:
      
      https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2016/12/28/14088992/brain-study-change-minds
      
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      December 8, 2023 3:14pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        What circumstances have changed with respect to the Russian invasion? Or is the change of circumstances to which you refer merely Luxon’s new role?
        
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        December 8, 2023 4:20pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  It’s a PM who can revisit a situation when presented with new information. Unlike the last 2.
  
  He hasn’t actually changed his position as your post implies. He’s doing what he’s meant to do and passing it to the person with the appropriate portfolio. I’m sure they’ll do the right thing.
  
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  December 8, 2023 2:38pm
leoj

The racist rort continues:

Friend’s daughter is pregnant. Clinic charges $75 for the scan but only because she is non-maori.

If she were part or miniscule maori, the scan is free.

The twist: The father is part or miniscule maori but she still has to pay $75.

Who would have thought that colonialism was so bad for maori?

Who allowed this nonsense to happen in the first place?
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December 8, 2023 10:17am
- mawm
  
  It’s probably done to get Maori women to have the scan.
  
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  December 8, 2023 3:04pm
- NoFax
  
  Why not just say you are Maori then? I think the day might come when Maori is just the demonymic form of New Zealand. It is all self-identity then it is up to you to decide if you or not.
  If any one challenges you can just reply “it’s attitudes like this that has made it difficult for me to express who I am”.
  
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  December 8, 2023 3:05pm
- Paul
  
  Māori Oral Health Providers give subsidised Dental Care to Maori, as Special People.
  https://www.maorioralhealth.org.nz/providers#:~:text=M%C4%81ori%20Oral%20Health%20Providers%20are%20unique%20because%20they%20operate%20a,dental%20services%20to%20the%20public.
  
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  December 8, 2023 9:00pm
dcrane

[Thanks to the moderator for fixing what seems to have been an overlooked-comment issue I complained about earlier.]
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December 8, 2023 10:28am
Surely Knott

What is the media’s policy on public photograph of criminals and why isn’t it applied consistently. NZ Herald two top stories.

Article 1: Teen pleads guilty to Manslaughter following Street Racing Crash . Picture is of the guilty Teens’ face. The picture has been shown numerous times.

Article 2: Mongrel Mob pleads guilty to murder of Darcy Strickland. Picture is of the victim. There is no picture of the offender. The offender is named but no pic. A quick facebook search and the offenders profile says Job: chopping up at taking hits from the bong. Former Job: Smoke weed every day at Bud smokers only 420. Studied: At smoke weed everyday university.

Is the Media’s policy not to show the faces of Gang members. Or is it the ethnicity that gets you identity suppression?
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December 8, 2023 10:35am
- Swifty
  
  Check out his co-accused too.
  
  Employment: ‘Assassin at Hitman.’
  
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  December 8, 2023 11:25am
- MCōs
  
  I don’t know, but there are numerous examples of photos of all manner of criminals with obvious gang tattoos in the media
  Why not ring the Herald and see what their policy is?
  All these guys will be crims soon if they don’t buck up their ideas!
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/head-hunter-funeral-service-for-william-bird-hines-under-way-in-foxton-police-to-maintain-significant-presence-in-community/ALQWPGPOWVG4RO42HDDGCOSRVE/
  
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  December 8, 2023 11:51am
BeaB

Comment on the Harvard, MIT and Penn presidents who suggested genocide of the Jews depended on ‘context’.
” The feminization of higher ed — and of American society as a whole — is a large topic. Here I want simply to note that the repellent jelly of moral confusion that united all three responses was saturated by that feminization. None of those women could give a direct answer to a direct question about a matter of grave moral moment. Instead, they temporized, equivocated, dodged and parried.

Bill Ackman, the billionaire founder of Pershing Square Capital and (former) mega-donor to Harvard gave a splendid example of the opposite, non-hothouse response. “They must all resign in disgrace,” Ackman wrote. “Why has antisemitism exploded on campus and around the world?” he asked. “Because of leaders like Presidents Gay, Magill and Kornbluth who believe genocide depends on the context.”

It was a refreshing, straightforward, may I say “masculine” response. I second Ackman’s demand and hope that he has started a trend.”

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December 8, 2023 10:43am
Swifty

Abolish the HRC.

The only thing the average New Zealander will notice is the millions and millions of tax dollars saved and the end to increasing encroachment on their liberties and freedoms.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/504213/human-rights-commission-new-leadership-role-honours-te-tiriti-o-waitangi-chief-executive
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December 8, 2023 11:11am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/new-zealand-is-at-war-how-wins-and-losses-work-to-either-impede-or-promote-the-maorification-of-new-zealand/
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December 8, 2023 11:19am
ClanMcleod

I’ve had a busy week with visitors so apologies if this has been covered already by someone.

Richard Pykett of Elan Insurance Brokers explains how the industry has seen a doubling of daily new health insurance claims. One major insurer went from 3-400 daily claims up to 700.

“Is anybody in the industry starting to ask questions why?”
“Not here. Everybody’s tight-lipped.”

https://t.me/rcr_nz/1010

Add this to the massive effort to suppress the data released by the whistleblower and the heavy handed arrest and jailing, the refusal to acknowledge let alone investigate the increased all cause mortality and the ‘correlation is not causation’ argument looks increasingly pathetic.

Add to this, we recently found out through an OIA that Medsafe is over 84% funded by pharmaceutical companies. Read that again and tell me there’s no conflict of interest.

https://nzdsos.com/2023/11/24/is-medsafe-caught-in-a-conflict-of-interest/

ALL of the signals indicate that these experimental jabs are very dangerous and should be halted immediately. I am stunned at the levels of malfeasance and probable corruption throughout our health system.
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December 8, 2023 11:22am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Medsafe charges fees, set by regulation, to approve therapeutic products.
  If morons think this is a conflict of interest, they would be outraged to know that MBIE gets revenue from mining companies to issue prospecting licenses, or councils get revenue from pubs to approve liquor licenses.
  
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  December 8, 2023 11:47am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Having the fox in charge of our medical approval henhouse is next level malfeasance. Mining companies paying for a licence is completely different.
    
    Mining and oil exploration are potentially massively profitable exercises for the NZ government and therefore the taxpayer.
    Paying a fee in that instance is appropriate.
    
    Approving experimental products from companies like Pfixer who holds the record for the biggest fine in history for corporate fraud, while never actually testing these products is malfeasance, pure and simple.
    
    There is no benefit of any kind to the country. All of the profits go to Pfizer. All of the health risks fall on the citizens of NZ.
    
    We become the unpaid lab rats for the most corrupt corporation in history? You should be running the country milky, your logic is next level……//
    
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    December 8, 2023 12:20pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    And remind me again of the process involved in ‘approving’ these experimental products? Were they tested in NZ? No. Medsafe used fraudulent data provided by the most corrupt corporation on the planet to ‘approve’ them.
    
    Your using the wrong word. Change it to ‘rubber stamping’ because that is all this exercise was.
    
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    December 8, 2023 3:07pm
    - newview
      
      CM. this is your pet subject. You won’t get sick because you haven’t been vaccinated, and if you have you didn’t want to. If there is a problem with the vaccines I should be sick because I have been vaccinated and have also had all the boosters. You choose to search until you find those who support your view. Most people might have reservations about a new vaccine but work on the principal the authorities aren’t deliberately trying to kill us. Most of us have survived Covid and the vaccine. If you feel so strongly about it you won’t have been vaccinated. Those who have been vaccinated and have lived, are happy with the decision they have made. Why can’t you be happy with your beliefs and keep them to yourself because most of us have moved on.
      
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      December 8, 2023 4:39pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        newview – first time I’ve seen you comment, have you just been lurking in the basement the last couple of years while apparently learning so much about my thoughts on the lies and illegal activity of our government over the last (almost) 4 years?
        Sounds quite creepy, anyway, to address some of your comments.
        
        I never said you ‘should be sick’ because you took the vaccine. I DID say, the more vaccines you get, the more your risk of catching covid. Fact. If you haven’t had it, congratulations. For now.
        
        No, most of us haven’t ‘moved on’. Many of those responsible for the breaches of human rights, illegal mandates, jab injuries and deaths and those who enabled it by accepting the segregation and vilification of their fellow human beings, THEY want us to ‘move on’. They can all gf.
        
        No, not all of those who ‘have been vaccinated and lived’ are ‘happy with the decisions they made’.
        I know several who are seriously jab injured who are very unhappy because the medical authorities refuse point blank to admit their might be a problem.
        
        I also know a number of people who have died ‘suddenly’. I don’t know if the jabs killed them. That’s because it was never tested for. That’s because all of our health service employees are complicit. They seriously don’t want to know they might be responsible.
        
        I have a very good friend who has been told he has less than 3 months to live. Fit, active, non smoker, non drinker. Suddenly struck down with pancreatic cancer. Now his son, 21, has been diagnosed with a brain tumour and getting surgery next week. Also non smoker, fit, active, surfer, golfer. Their family is in absolute turmoil.
        
        My bro in law, mid 50s, fit, non smoker, non drinker, diagnosed with testicular cancer and getting stem cell transplants.
        My other bro in law was buried last week. Cancer. Admittedly he wasn’t healthy, smoked and drank, so there’s a good chance his was natural. Who would know?
        
        I know ‘correlation is not causation’. However the numbers are unprecedented, as are the numbers of excess all cause mortalities here and elsewhere that have high vaccination rates.
        
        So you stay ‘happy’ with your decision. Because you’ve been ok up to now is no guarantee you’ll be ok next year, or the year after. Heart damage will have been done. But you carry on.
        
        In the meanwhile don’t tell me what to do with my beliefs. You can just see my name on the post and jog on. Stop stalking from your basement, you seem to be very opinionated for someone who has apparently ‘moved on’.
        
        No I don’t look for people who support my views. Unlike the previous NZ government and the idiots who voted them in, I don’t believe in a ‘single source of truth’. Never have, never will. I’ve studied this narrative from the beginning. All of the ‘conspiracy theories’ I espoused from March/April 2o2o have come true.
        
        You’re right, I’ve never been jabbed. I’ve never worn a mask. I might have had covid a couple of times. No idea because I’ve never tested. I am very, very happy with the decisions I made. I’m glad you are too, apparently.
        
        You’re right, most have survived covid and the vaccine. Not as many as should have going by the actual statistics, like the ones the government are trying to suppress.
        
        But back to my main point. If you want to debate any of the information I’ve presented in my posts then fill your boots. You won’t get very far but give it your best shot.
        
        Other than that, get back under your bridge and don’t try and tell me what to do.
        
        You have a lovely day. Cheers.
        
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        December 8, 2023 5:42pm
      - newview
        
        CM. Yes I apologise for asking you to keep your opinions on the vaccinations to yourself that was wrong and troll like. The rest of what I wrote I stand by. That is my opinion of course. My comment was not meant as a personal attack but are my observations of your posts. You have an opposing point of view to me that’s why I read your posts. That’s not trolling that’s genuine interest in what you write and what you think. I neglected to observe that you are putting up new links of info for those who are interested. Hopefully we will see eye to eye on a different subject.
        
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        December 8, 2023 7:55pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        newview – thank you for that polite clarification. I’m sure you can understand that this thing has affected me very negatively. I’ve seen chaos and destruction all around and I find it deeply disturbing.
        
        I present what I believe is evidence on a regular basis. I invite anyone to challenge what I present and if I find I have been wrong I will retract and apologise.
        All I can say is, very little has been challenged.
        
        I do understand there are many people who are quite comfortable with what was done, they see things differently to how I do and that is their choice. I also understand that many want to move on, many of my friends are in that position, so we don’t talk about the elephant in the room which I find regrettable.
        
        I welcome any and all information that will help us all understand what happened in the last 4 years (and is still happening).
        If you ever want to send something my way please do, I promise to check it out and not instantly dismiss it as many do when shown something that conflicts with their perspective.
        
        As for finding commonality on other things, no doubt we will. That’s how it should be, people shouldn’t expect to agree on everything, what a dull place it would be! As well as being totally unrealistic.
        There has never been and never will be a ‘single source of truth’ as Ardern tried to tell people. That was one of her biggest mistakes I believe.
        
        Again, thanks for the frank comments.
        
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        December 9, 2023 10:22am
  - cmm
    
    mma: Is there really a need to refer to people raising issues as cranks or morons?
    
    I think your attempt to equate MBIE and council revenues with this is laughable.
    
    While councils and MBIE do charge for these services they are in line with costs. There is no way they are getting 84% of their revenue from these sources.
    
    There are other government organisations funded by the user in a similar way – most notably the Intellectual Property Office. In the USA (and likely here too), they make a roaring trade issuing patents and registering other IP (plant varieties etc). As a result they are not too fussy about issuing patents as they do not not want to kill business.
    
    A few silly patents doesn’t really matter (I would even put a reasonable % of my patents in this category). But clearly it matters when we’re talking about the approval of medicines.
    
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    December 8, 2023 3:07pm
  - mawm
    
    Mike – do you have a link to that? Who has to pay the fees? I would have thought that as a statuary body charged with ensuring that medical products are safe that it would be funded entirely by the government.
    
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    December 8, 2023 3:10pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      mawm – I think most of us would be shocked when we find out that so much of the money to run Medsafe comes from the pharmaceutical companies.
      
      The biggest shock for me though was when investigating the whole ‘approval’ process, was finding out that Medsafe do NO testing of their own.
      The data used to approve the Pfizer junk was supplied by them. As we now know without fear of contradiction, that data was fraudulent in many parts and when problems were identified, they were removed from the data.
      It’s a blatant rubber stamping exercise in exchange for ~~fees~~ bribes.
      
      Medsafe do charge fees for the ‘approval’ process. But as can clearly be seen from the information in the OIA which is in this blog post on NZDSOS:
      
      Medsafe, which oversees the approval of medications, confirms its commitment to ‘big pharma’, noting it is “also accountable to the pharmaceutical industry for those activities which are funded by fees collected from the [pharmaceutical] industry”, where it receives millions of dollars each year from ‘big pharma’ companies.
      
      https://nzdsos.com/2023/11/24/is-medsafe-caught-in-a-conflict-of-interest/
      
      It’s next level racketeering.
      
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      December 8, 2023 3:43pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “I think most of us would be shocked when we find out that so much of the money to run Medsafe comes from the pharmaceutical companies.”
        
        Not me. Who do you expect to pay for medicines to be approved and licensed? Every pharmaceutical regulator in the western world is primarily funded by the industry via fees for service.
        
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        December 8, 2023 3:48pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “I would have thought that as a statuary [SIC] body charged with ensuring that medical products are safe that it would be funded entirely by the government.”
      
      Good grief. Of course its approval process is funded on a fee for service basis. I’m shocked that you would think otherwise 🙂
      
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      December 8, 2023 3:50pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        EDIT. I agree with Eric Crampton. Get rid of Medsafe. If a drug is approved by three overseas regulators from an approved list, the drug is available for use in New Zealand.
        
        https://www.nzinitiative.org.nz/reports-and-media/opinion/new-opinion-140/
        
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        December 8, 2023 3:53pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        BY – maybe I’m not au fait with how these things work, but I find it quite astonishing 85% of Medsafe’s funding comes from the companies who make millions if not billions from selling these products.
        
        I’m surprised that you apparently think that isn’t a cause for concern. They supply the data, which we now know was riddled with flaws and had information removed that indicated problems. Medsafe used this data to approve the product being sold to us by the company supplying the data.
        
        Pharmaceutical companies see these millions they spend in ‘fees’ as nothing more than a cost of doing business. $11 – 12 million annually in the case of NZ over the last few years. A drop in the ocean when compared to how much we spent buying their junk.
        
        If this is ‘normal’ then there’s something seriously wrong with our systems. So glad I’ve learned so much about how our ‘health’ system works.
        
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        December 8, 2023 6:00pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        It’s like buying a car from a dealer, who gives the vehicle report to the WoF people, who don’t check the vehicle and simply approve it as safe. It’s got more holes in it than colander.
        
        It’s corrupt af. The fact you think that getting rid of Medsafe and leave it to even more corrupt regulators overseas is bizarre.
        
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        December 8, 2023 7:01pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

December 7th, Pearl Harbour. A truly overwhelming place.
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December 8, 2023 12:02pm
- David Garrett
  
  Steve: Not to diminish “the date that will live in infamy” for one moment…but did you know the Japs bombed Darwin more than 40 times? And something like 100 times more tons of bombs were drafted there as compared to the single (two) attacks on Pearl Harbor?
  
  The little bastards were definitely intent on invading Australia and probably us too…I believe they already had “occupation currency” printed for both countries.
  
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  December 8, 2023 1:33pm
  - MCōs
    
    They may have been intent on occupying us, but logistically it was far beyond their retch.
    I remember during the Vietnam war we were told if the North won it was only a matter of time before we succumbed to the communists.
    Didn’t work and of all the ‘dominoes’ between Vietnam and us only the Philippines & Oz joined the American call to arms.
    
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    December 8, 2023 2:11pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I did not know they bombed Darwin. I know they were in the area.
    Up in Alaska the Japs had a base on the Aleutian Islands until found out. Yep, the place is barren in most parts. The Last Frontier.
    
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    December 8, 2023 2:34pm
  - Jack5
    
    This mention of the Darwin raid is at an Aussie returned servicemen’s site.
    
    Aussie old soldiers can’t resist a crack at the military police:
    
    Drunken Provost Corps troops took advantage of the swift desertion of the town by looting shops left behind by civilian proprietors.
    
    http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-battles/ww2/darwin.htm
    
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    December 8, 2023 3:24pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    I’m sure I’ve read articles about Japanese subs off the coast of NZ (that’s Aotearoa to the indoctrinated) during the war.
    
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    December 8, 2023 3:34pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Japanese submarines launched aircraft on reconnaissance flights over both Auckland and Wellington in 1942.
      
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      December 8, 2023 3:54pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Broome in Western Australia was also bombed. 88 people killed.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Darwin
    
    IIRC the extent of these bombings was withheld by war time censors until the end of the war.
    
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    December 8, 2023 3:45pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      There were some attacks on northern Queensland too.
      
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      December 8, 2023 3:55pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Ahaa. So that would be why ‘X’ has just gone viral about the war then!
  
  UWU…..WHY U NUKE ?
  
  https://twitter.com/Der_Parrot/status/1731745150102061426
  
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  December 8, 2023 2:57pm
- Inandout
  
  I recall reading that during WW2 at either Brisbane or Sydney ports the radical wharfies decided to refuse to load a US warship. The Captain of the ship ordered the wharfies to either load the boat or he would have them thrown in the harbour. They complied.
  
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  December 8, 2023 5:35pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w1eZddQrXE
Alphanese | Pauline Hanson’s Please Explain.
With the year drawing to a close, the nation has been thrown into chaos. Albanese’s inept government dropped the ball on national security and flooded the streets with criminals!

Is it any surprise, then, that voters delivered the Albanese government some of the worst polling in a decade and branded the PM a ‘Beta-Male’?

Can Albanese turn things around? Will he accept any blame? Will he do the right thing? Or will he point the finger at anyone but himself and let the Greens keep walking all over him?

Tune in to this week’s episode to find out! [3:02]
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December 8, 2023 12:08pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  There has not been a one term Government in Australia for 50 years. I reckon this lot might threaten that record.
  
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  December 8, 2023 3:41pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZsM9AGrLdU
Brooke van Velden on the cabinet leak and FPA rollbacks.
Sean Plunket speaks to the Workplace Relations Minister Brooke van Velden about the cabinet leak and FPA rollbacks. Brooke won’t be getting a Chrisatmas card from the CTU. [6:50]
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December 8, 2023 12:09pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Brooke van Velden probably doesn’t give a sh!t what the CTU thinks. They are parasites infesting their own members whilst feathering their own nests.
  
  In all my years I have never heard the CTU say anything positive about a centre/right government. It is in their DNA to be destructive.
  
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  December 8, 2023 1:37pm
  - sungsamning
    
    The main function of unions now is to fund the Labour party. The needs of workers come a distant second.
    
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    December 8, 2023 5:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Why have the Maori name at all? There is no need. No cars or roads in 1840.
  
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  December 8, 2023 2:41pm
  - sungsamning
    
    Coal to power the gravy train.
    
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    December 8, 2023 5:13pm
- JJ56
  
  I see NZ Herald is trumpeting the Government is rocked by another leak over the removal of the requirement for Regulatory Impact Analyses, while van Velden happily tells us all about it in this interview.
  
  It must be hard for Thomas Coughlan to keep up with so much going on.
  
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  December 8, 2023 9:24pm
Ghost

That was quick

Waka Kotahi NZ Transport Agency is no more. It’s now NZ Transport Agency Waka Kotahi
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December 8, 2023 12:22pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  I hope Simon Dallow and Tony Doe get the memo.
  GOD they sound pathetic!!
  
  Let’s take back our country.
  
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  December 8, 2023 12:58pm
- sungsamning
  
  Ah, some more good news. Thanks for the link.
  
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  December 8, 2023 1:02pm
- Notsofast
  
  Total cost for the branding Waka Kotahi $6800.
  Unbranding will be millions?
  
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  December 8, 2023 1:12pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  And here’s a question.
  
  If the Maori name for New Zealand is Aotearoa…how come it wasn’t used in the TOW?
  
  Asking for a friend.
  
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  December 8, 2023 1:15pm
  - mandk
    
    Nor was the name Nu Tireni was used in the Declaration of Independence by the United Chiefs.
    
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    December 8, 2023 1:43pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Made up name, like hikaretti, karoti, Pati (Party)
    Mumbo jumbo rubbish.
    
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    December 8, 2023 4:14pm
    - greybeard
      
      And pia and waina.
      
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      December 8, 2023 4:57pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Their website has not yet changed as of 13:18.
  
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  December 8, 2023 1:18pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Must be re-doing all the letterheads and vehicles first.
    
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    December 8, 2023 2:43pm
- Sir Henry Morgan
  
  It’s weird how for the past few years the media always called it just Waka Kotahi, never Waka Kotahi NZ Transport agency. Yet now it is NZ Transport Agency Waka Kotahi, not simply NZ Transport Agency.
  
  Why can they not simply use the English name when writing in English, and the Maori name when writing in Maori? I don’t understand why it needs to be more complicated than that.
  
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  December 8, 2023 3:01pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Quick off the block with their virtue signalling.
  
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  December 8, 2023 3:57pm
  - Ghost
    
    Not as quick as you though
    
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    December 8, 2023 5:07pm
rouppe

Oh my God. Some retard called Aaron Ryan says “climate change might affect Maori first”.

So the rain is just going to fall on Maori and avoid everyone else. The sun is going to shine just on Maori and no one else. The warm balmy afternoons are not going to happen for me, I’ll have to shiver in a puffer jacket while my Maori neighbour enjoys a lovely afternoon bbq.

What an idiot
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December 8, 2023 1:16pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Some Maori do have a big black cloud above them.
  There used to be a cartoon character like that.
  
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  December 8, 2023 2:44pm
- cmm
  
  It is as dopey as the claim on Stuff that climate change is causing a fertility crisis.
  
  I don’t see how they square that circle. The most fertile people are in tropical Africa, followed closely by places generally associated with deserts, flowing robes and Muslims.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate
  
  Funny how the wokesters at Wikipedia include this sentence: “It does not significantly correlate with any particular religion.”, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
  
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  December 8, 2023 2:45pm
  - mawm
    
    Women’s fertility increases at time of adverse conditions. This happened in Eritrea with drought, famine and war.
    
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    December 8, 2023 3:30pm
Gussy Fink-Nottle

NZ Herald: NZ Transport Agency dumps Māori name first for English name.

“The direct costs of adding the words Waka Kotahi to its name in 2020 were less than $1000, plus $5800 on legal costs for trademarking the new logo.”

Only $7K on the previous name change??? That’s quite a stretch, even for complete morons.

They’re well-and-truly breaking cover now.
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December 8, 2023 2:35pm
- cmm
  
  Assuming they did not reliquish the old trademark (I assume they did not, because that would open potential scammers up etc), then they do not need the $5800 fee again.
  
  I assume, also they have a backup of the old artwork, so they can save the $500 to regenerate that.
  
  Changing back should cost $500 or less.
  
  Funny how they say: “The direct costs…”, does this indicate there were also a bunch of “indirect costs” eg. lolly grabs for Maori consultants?
  
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  December 8, 2023 2:51pm
- kevn
  
  Gussy… The graphic designer alone would have cost much more than that. Must have been free printing?
  
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  December 8, 2023 6:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Pharmacist ‘created fear.’
Oh really? We know who really created the fear. Seems Arder can shut down free speech, but others can’t. We all know that Ardern won’t answer unscripted questions that have no scripted answers right?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/northland-pharmacist-shane-chafin-s-registration-to-be-cancelled-ordered-to-pay-55k/ar-AA1l7WVK?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=add9e4c0cb054dbbacf93e1ac89172c4&ei=13
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December 8, 2023 2:55pm
Vinicius

The Chair of the NZ Transport Agency Paul Reynolds has resigned. As has Patrick Reynolds, also a NZTA board member.

Both were Labour appointees. The Minister of Transport Simeon Brown confirmed these resignations today. Been a good week having a clean out of people such as these two, Maharey and Paul Hunt. There are others who need to go as well.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/clear-out-at-waka-kotahi-nz-transport-agency-includes-exit-of-chairman-paul-reynolds/JAI546ECORAJXKG55OBNSB3AU4/
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December 8, 2023 3:03pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  The Chair of the Board of Kāinga Ora should go.
  
  https://kaingaora.govt.nz/en_NZ/about-us/our-structure/
  
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  December 8, 2023 3:37pm
  - nathie
    
    So another ex-Labour MP!
    
    And talk about scruffy – most men aren’t wearing ties and what ever happened to women wearing suits nowadays?
    
    Who do they think they are – scruffily dressed TVNZ reporters or something?!!!
    
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    December 8, 2023 4:17pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Reynolds’ successor is brilliant at powhiri recitals. Everything else? It would be impolite of me to comment.
  
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  December 8, 2023 3:46pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Drain The Swamp!
  
  😎
  
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  December 8, 2023 3:52pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It may be like what Trump found. The “Swamp” is yuge, bigger than he imagined.
    ‘All of these people will become unemployed (Chris Hipkins?)’
    Well Chippie, that is the reason to sack them. They were employed but did not do anything. Private Sector? DCM. Public Sector? Job for life.
    No more you bloody leeches.
    
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    December 8, 2023 4:23pm
- sungsamning
  
  Ah, that’s good news. Two biting the dust together.
  
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  December 8, 2023 5:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

OK! 4.15pm Friday. Got your empty briefcase ready? Our the door to the nearest boozer for a craft beer shandy, and run like fuck for the train.
Forget the Internet. Been on Facebook, Trademe and Pornhub all day.
What a life to be a Public Sector employee in Wellywood!
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December 8, 2023 4:17pm
- greybeard
  
  Cut it out ! Most of them “work from home” on Fridays !
  
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  December 8, 2023 4:51pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Oh! On the piss since 1pm like me!
    I never worked Fridays for the last two years before I really did retire – advantage of senior staff.
    Govt Depatments must be the same if you have been there for 6 months or more
    
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    December 8, 2023 5:51pm
NZer In Exile

Yesterday Milky in one of his typically puerile and bitchy shit-posts parroted the mindless loony-left-media narrative that Ivermectin is simply a “horse de-wormer”.

Here’s an article from 2017 (before the world went completely mental) in Nature regarding the many incredible uses of Ivermectin (IE showing strong indications of efficacy in treating Myiasis, Trichinosis, Pest insects in general, Scabies, American trypanosomiasis, Schistosomiasis, Bedbugs, Blepharitis, Demodicosis, Antiviral (e.g. dengue, encephalitis), Antibacterial (tuberculosis and Buruli ulcer) and more.
https://www.nature.com/articles/ja201711
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December 8, 2023 5:23pm
- Inandout
  
  NZer, warfarin used in human blood thinning is also used as a rodent killer.
  
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  December 8, 2023 5:48pm
  - MCōs
    
    Warfarin is not a blood thinner. It is an anticoagulant used to treat blood clots
    The same property kills rats
    Use google to find out more details if you’re interested
    
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    December 8, 2023 9:13pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ignore Mike, he is a troll.
  But by all means, troll him back!
  Fun!
  
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  December 8, 2023 5:55pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Shame it can’t cure wokism
  
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  December 9, 2023 7:33am

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