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Chuck Bird

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EVs, e-bikes and solar panels ‘share a dirty secret’: slavery

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/evs-e-bikes-and-solar-panels-share-a-dirty-secret-slavery/4SUQPKZMINDUTGAEXRJ3G5TLBY/
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December 6, 2023 8:01am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  It’s always interesting to me when people who generally have no concern for human rights pretend to get upset when green technology is involved.
  
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  December 6, 2023 8:06am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I also care about the Jewish women gang raped by the Palestine scum. The left’s new motto is Me Too unless you are a Jew.
    
    [Mod – There was no need for this. The discussion was not on Hamas. ]
    
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    December 6, 2023 8:12am
    - Clyde
      
      It was a gross affront to Parliament to have the Watermelon Party in full Palestinian support mode yesterday. Particularly those whose personal sexual choices would see them severly punished in their dearly beloved Gaza. Nothing worse than a hypocrite.
      
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      December 6, 2023 8:17am
      - lastmanstanding
        
        What about the Clown Show Maori Party. WTF with the guy wearing a North American headdress and prancing around the Chamber pulling faces. If I had been in charge when it came time for the Oath to the King I would have hooked the bastards up to a Lie Detector and hooked that up to the National Grid. Fry Baby Fry!!!!
        
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        December 6, 2023 9:03am
      - Ra Henare
        
        So I presume you are staunchly against freedom of speech…????
        
        I think you mean you were offended,….
        
        parliament was not offended as it is an institution (including the melons) not a person.
        
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        December 6, 2023 1:27pm
    - MCōs
      
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      That’s uncalled for
      
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      December 6, 2023 8:18am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        It is not when the left scum is wearing the garb of the rapist in Parliament. Hopefully, the new speaker puts a stop to this.
        
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        December 6, 2023 8:22am
      - MCōs
        
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        I replied to you yesterday re the Palestinian keffiyeh and there’s no point in going over that again
        What I was referring to was your obnoxious twisting of the Me Too expression to exclude Jews
        
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        December 6, 2023 8:48am
      - nathie
        
        Ah the keffiyeh headscarf.
        
        According to Wiki it is now “largely imported from China” for woke Westerners to wear. Oh dear – go the Greens (not)!
        
        And why are the women Green Party MP’s wearing what was traditionally clothing for the Bedouin male? Then made “famous” by terrorist murderer Yasser Arafat?
        
        Ever see Arab women wearing them? No!
        
        Surely at least the hijab would be more appropriate. Golriz could give some bestest tips to Marama and Julie-Ann.
        
        The Greens – culturally appropriating but doing it badly … and wrongly wrongly!
        
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        December 6, 2023 9:19am
      - David Garrett
        
        MCos: What is uncalled for, the totally factual statement that the Member for Tijuana would be dropped off a high building if the Palestinian terrorists found out he was gay?
        
        Do try and inform yourself better regarding the religion of peace and its strictures.
        
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        December 6, 2023 9:42am
      - leoj
        
        You mean, you can’t handle the truth.
        
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        December 6, 2023 9:50am
      - Ghost
        
        I agree, nothing to do with what Mike said.
        
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        December 6, 2023 9:59am
      - Ghost
        
        Easy David, Mike was replying about the EV post, nothing about Palestine, Chuck was wrong to use that as an attack on mike
        
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        December 6, 2023 10:01am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Just because you have a childish understanding of rights, doesn’t mean we don’t care about rights. It just means you’re a bigot.
    
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    December 6, 2023 8:41am
    - mikenmildagain
      
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      Sure, we’re all selective about which rights we wish to see upheld. But moaning about EVs and solar panels because of slavery, etc is transparently disingenuous. I haven’t seen Chuck complaining about clothing produced by slaves, or NZ farmers using the ‘blood phosphate’ from Western Sahara.
      
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      December 6, 2023 9:03am
      - peterwn
        
        NZ does not need to use ‘blood phosphate’ from Western Sahara (which contain undesirable amounts of cadmium). There is an ample supply of low cadmium phosphate on the seabed near NZ but the EPA refused the appropriate permit (and had a big unnecessary spendup at the applicant’s expense).
        
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        December 6, 2023 9:13am
  - Grunter
    
    Mike
    1. It’s not ‘Green’ tech – it requires fossil fuels to extract and a huge amount of mining and chemicals and environmental degradation to refine the rare earths into usable components.
    2. Slavery is abhorrent, one of the worst things you can do to another human, yet you Leftards ignore it for your Global Boiling scam.
    
    Your entire narrative as a ‘green’ Leftard is anti-human nonsense that will soon collapse. The siht storm you and your brainless mates have created will go down in history as one of the worst atrocities committed at a global scale.
    
    You ethier know all this (which is truly evil), or, more likely, you are a completely uninformed brainwashed activist – take your pick.
    
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    December 6, 2023 9:09am
  - alloytoo
    
    Well your premise is flawed, no great technology on display.
    
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    December 6, 2023 10:26am
- david in Aus
  
  They forgot to add laptops and cell phones in the article. Don’t you feel guilty reading the article on your cellphone/laptop?
  
  World Vision should start by spending donations on charity and not on their own wages and marketing. There should be a law limiting non-charity spending. Otherwise, they shouldn’t be allowed to call themselves a charity.
  
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  December 6, 2023 8:28am
Yvette

Kīngi Tuheitia Pōtatau Te Wherowhero VII, in a statement to te iwi Māori, said many Māori were “concerned about the plans of the new Coalition Government”. It has issued Te Paki o Matariki (a Royal Proclamation) calling for the national hui.

Where is a copy of the statement?
Asking for someone who likes to read original material for themselves, rather than a media translation of someone else’s media translation
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December 6, 2023 8:03am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Most likely in the rubbish bin, with the remains of last night’s fish n chips, where it should be.
  
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  December 6, 2023 8:26am
- pdm
  
  Yvette while it was the King speaking the tone sounded more like `underpants’ Tuku Morgan pulling the strings.
  
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  December 6, 2023 8:26am
  - Littletramp
    
    Tuku is pissed at losing the water gig. How will he get the Auckland maori who kicked him off their marae back on board – a bribe maybe?
    I think we may get a gauge on level of maori unanimity over this apparent outrage – i.e identify whose noses have just been pushed out of the trough.
    
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    December 6, 2023 8:41am
    - Yvette
      
      Kiingitanga not ‘ursurping’ Ngāti Whātua Ōrākei in Auckland
      The Kiingitanga and Ngāti Whātua Ōrākei have released a joint statement of clarification over who has status and rights over territory in Auckland.
      The statement acknowledges their historically “positive whanaungatanga” and reaffirms Ngāti Whātua Ōrākei’s “ahi kaa and tangata whenua status”.
      https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/11/30/kiingitanga-not-ursurping-ngati-whatua-orakei-in-auckland/
      
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      December 6, 2023 9:11am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Here’s a copy:
  
  https://waateanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/TPoM-Hui-aa-Motu.pdf
  
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  December 6, 2023 8:27am
  - Yvette
    
    Thank you Maggy
    
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    December 6, 2023 8:32am
  - Positan
    
    The self-serving and ill-informed led by the posturing and fatuously self-entitled, seek to have themselves granted even more “entitlements.”
    
    None of them seem to realise the damage they’ve inflicted on “Maori respect” with their non-existent case and from a transparent loss of support from the huge major part of the population.
    
    It seems that despite THREE “settlements” having granted them billions, they yet demand more. Laughably, from the numbers of determined Maori smokers and their huge numbers of chronically obese, somehow they posture that “Maori health” is not in any way their problem.
    
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    December 6, 2023 8:59am
    - mogg
      
      Both chronic and morbidly obese, the clue is in the name.
      
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      December 6, 2023 9:49am
  - Cassandra
    
    This reads as an invitation to other iwi to meet to agree a position. It’s not a request for dialogue with ACT or NZF. If Tuheita wants to talk to Seymour or Jones then he should ask.
    
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    December 6, 2023 9:32am
- Jethrod
  
  If Harehare can mean Charles , then Tuheitia can mean mouthpiece.
  
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  December 6, 2023 8:37am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It was a deliberate use of an insulting term
    
    It is not as if Takuta Ferris was unaware that harehare means scab, or cutaneous eruption (Williams’ Dictionary).
    
    If the word is ambiguous then the Maori Party MPs had the choice to use a word that would leave no doubt as to their intent… but they chose to be “cute,”
    
    just as Debbi Ngarera-Packer chose to be “cute” about the use of pistols in posters …… Hardly the response I’d expect from someone who wore the Parihaka pacifist raukura feather at her earlier swearing-in ceremony.
    
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    December 6, 2023 10:35am
- Swifty
  
  A Royal proclamation……
  
  Snigger.
  
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  December 6, 2023 8:37am
  - Cassandra
    
    Hone Harawira: “The Hereditary Mayor of Huntly”.
    
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    December 6, 2023 9:20am
    - David Garrett
      
      Cassandra: Actually Hone the Racist calls Tuheitia “the king of Huntly”…which is a little inaccurate as the “king” lives in Ngaruawahia which is down the road a bit.
      
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      December 6, 2023 9:50am
      - JimBobJoe
        
        I thought it was David Rankin of Nga Puhi who uses that King of Huntly bar? Maybe its a general Nga Puhi thing
        
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        December 6, 2023 4:24pm
- Paulus
  
  Right, Tuku is in charge again.
  
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  December 6, 2023 9:27am
- David Garrett
  
  Yvette: What a pity the “King” doesn’t call for a national hui on the distressing number of little Maori boys – it seems to be mostly boys – beaten to death by Mum’s latest dropkick boyfriend, as he removes the living evidence left by the last incumbent.
  
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  December 6, 2023 9:46am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Too close to home….
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/114032045/maori-kings-son-sentenced-after-punching-partner
    
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    December 6, 2023 10:10am
    - David Garrett
      
      Maggy: This story – from three years ago – shows how far we have come (down) when it comes to violence – particularly towards women – over the last 50 odd years.
      
      This violent thug gets community service for blacking his partner’s eye and punching her an unspecified number of times when she refused to have sex with him when he was drunk.
      
      Back in 1974, Elton John’s then manager, one John Reid, got 30 days in Mt Eden for pushing a female journo over in an Auckland nightclub. The woman was not injured.
      
      Reid appealed the sentence, and it was confirmed in the High Court, the judge saying “this kind of behaviour towards women might be acceptable in the UK Mr Reid, but it’s certainly not acceptable here”
      
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      December 6, 2023 11:31am
- goNZ1
  
  same old same old , yet another hui while the new govt gets on at dui
  
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  December 6, 2023 1:39pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/133397329/landlord-evicts-single-mum-with-brain-tumour-relists-property-days-later
When I saw this headline I decided to check out a few things.
Could the landlord be this person ?
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/new-citizens-welcomed-1
Or this person ?
https://nz.linkedin.com/in/roshan-john-mureekal-09a090187

Many problems involving landlords seem to have a common thread, in my opinion.
Unfortunately many immigrants bring their despicable habits with them.
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December 6, 2023 8:04am
- Kiwiguy
  
  On another note, it’s interesting how some immigrants can come here with (apparently) barely anything and start life afresh, then in a few years become property owners. Yet, some kiwis who have been here for generations wail because they cannot afford a house.
  
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  December 6, 2023 8:17am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Indeed, but as you say that is another topic entirely.
    
    I will say it bluntly, Indian landlords have a bad reputation and it is deserved. They also have a track record of being overrepresented in cases of exploitation of employees. There was recently a couple of high profile cases of liquor stores owned by Indian men paying well under the minimum wage.
    
    We see many reports of badly behaved tenants. Deservedly so. However badly behaved landlords also deserve condemnation.
    
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    December 6, 2023 8:48am
    - EssenX
      
      Many people might also point out that almost all the cases involve people from a particular part of India.
      
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      December 6, 2023 8:57am
    - Opie
      
      Yet it’s Indians that are are running a large percentage of local business. Look at every regional pizza hut, subway etc etc and now moving into rental properties.
      
      They have moved on from coming here and running the local dairy, mostly because they have seen an opportunity that no kiwi wants to be involved with due to high running costs, low profit and staff issues. So they pay low rates, exploit staff and give terrible service.
      
      To their credit, they find a way to make a living but it’s at the expense of something…
      
      The classic corner dairy owners used to be (and still often are as owned by multi generations) super friendly and appreciate your business. The new wave of “indian” business owners seem to lack this service element and look at you like a piece of scum to fleece for money. The end result is that kiwis will stop going there and business will be hard for them.
      
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      December 6, 2023 9:03am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      BYU why does everyone expect immigrants to become model examples of western democratic liberal values as soon as their feet touch the airport tarmac? The fact is they are far more likely to bring all the attitudes and values of the land they have come from with them than turn up having had a liberal democratic epiphany. This is why any immigration policy should have preferred countries that it draws from rather than the present feelz policy we seem to employ. Multiculturalism is a failed idea and needs consigned to the dustbin of history of course rather than see the writing on the wall NZ will no doubt continue with the idea for a period of time long after the rest of the developed nations have given up on it I mean what would we do if we couldn’t angst on about the same problems as the big countries?
      
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      December 6, 2023 9:43am
    - Random T Person
      
      Some Indian chaps I was chatting with at the local 2degrees store were asking about the reputation of Indians in South Africa. I said they were known as hard workers, but always willing to gippo the system or take shortcuts, and were considered shrewd but untrustworthy operators.
      The Indians laughed knowingly…
      
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      December 6, 2023 9:56am
      - Kiwiguy
        
        Yes, we shouldn’t stereotype, but it does save a lot of time.
        I heard of a conversation where an Indian had blatantly outright lied big time to get a deal across the line. They were challenged about it, and the response was that “where I come from that isn’t regarded as lying, it’s regarded as being clever”
        
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        December 6, 2023 12:39pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Cannot afford a house because they are lazy, full stop.
    
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    December 6, 2023 9:08am
- slightlyrighty
  
  I saw the headline, and before I even opened the article, I could tell you the ethnic background of the landlord, and I was dead right.
  
  With regard to the despicable exploitative habits among immigrant communities, it’s very telling just how often we see immigants subjected to exploitative working conditons by the very ethnic group they are a part of.
  
  However, I do note that there is a property management company involved, and any sanctions should also be leveled at them as well
  
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  December 6, 2023 8:19am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    If you read the article, the property management company was well aware of what he was up to, and pointed out to him in an email – very clearly – that if he didn’t genuinely intend to do renovations then his actions were illegal.
    
    She even spelled out what constituted renovations to make it clear, and later testified on behalf of the evicted tenant that he had previously done the exact same thing. Hard to see what else they could’ve done, to be fair.
    
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    December 6, 2023 8:28am
    - Matt Long
      
      And the landlord dismissed the prior property manager and let the property for $130 more per week with a new property management company.
      
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      December 6, 2023 8:42am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        As my partner has always said…..he wouldn’t touch Residential rental property with a 13ft barge pole. You’d need to be insane.
        Looks to me like the landlord in this story did absolutely nothing wrong except got caught up in the minefield of lefty legislation.
        At least National are going to address it by the sound of it.
        
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        December 6, 2023 8:58am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        He did plenty wrong. He lied and behaved like a scumbag.
        
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        December 6, 2023 9:23am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Come on Bene…he’s a businessman FGS!
        
        (Or is your comment becos he’s Indian?)
        
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        December 6, 2023 9:32am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        My comment is driven by ethics and empathy for the tenant who was unlawfully evicted. Your comment demonstrates that you have neither.
        
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        December 6, 2023 10:18am
- artemisia
  
  No cause 90 day terminations will be back soon. I expect there will be a wave of termination notices.
  
  Good tenants are much less likely to be affected. However, applicants who are perceived to be risky will be better placed to be offered a tenancy. Perceived – not necessarily a risk but Labour’s tenure rules encourage landlords to err on the side of potential issues.
  
  Increased immigration will add pressure on demand, while supply will be limited or reduce if rental numbers don’t add up.
  
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  December 6, 2023 8:22am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “Good tenants are much less likely to be affected.”
    
    I would have thought that long term tenants who pay the rent, are good neighbours, and take excellent care of the peppery are like gold to a landlord. I can’t see many just being evicted for no reason.
    
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    December 6, 2023 8:52am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      There will be a fair few faced with “pay more rent or I’ll evict you”.
      
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      December 6, 2023 9:05am
      - David Garrett
        
        Got a few rental properties have you Milky?
        
        Nah…didn’t think so.
        
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        December 6, 2023 9:55am
      - artemisia
        
        That is quite possible mikenmildagain, though eviction is a step further than termination. However, while it might be the outcome, there are rules around rent increases and AFAIK they are not changing. If rules are adhered to and rent not paid, then termination of the tenancy is obvious and expected.
        
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        December 6, 2023 10:00am
      - Grunter
        
        It’s called supply & demand.
        
        I know, it’s annoying to you Leftards when a natural process kicks in and overrides your central planning.
        
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        December 6, 2023 10:07am
      - rouppe
        
        There are existing laws around how often you can raise the rent. Once a year I believe.
        
        If you can’t manage your rental on that basis there’s something wrong with you.
        
        If you’re given that ultimatum then it’s because the landlord is raising the rent more often. While no cause terminations could occur under those circumstances, the notice period is still 90 days which means the landlord couldn’t actually raise the rent until after the tenant moved out .
        
        So the practicality of the situation is:
        * Raise rent (legally) or start tenancy.
        * After 6 months try your scenario on.
        * Tenant refuses so is issued with termination out of spite.
        * Landlord still has to wait three months.
        * Landlord then has to go through screening process, and probably wait 4 weeks for new tenants notice period
        
        End result, he’s close to the 12 months where he could raise the rent legally anyway.
        
        In other words, mm, you’re probably wrong.
        
        I’m an ex landlord (sold my last rental, settlement today) so know the value of stability
        
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        December 6, 2023 11:21am
      - cmm
        
        The “pay more rent or I will evict you” is seldom used on good quality tenants.
        
        Sure, rents need to rise due to increased costs, but few would want to evict a high quality tenant and then have to find a replacement.
        
        Being a good quality tenant generally earns you an effective discount.
        
        It has been a long time since I rented, but we never had rent increases (even when living in the same place for 4 years).
        
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        December 6, 2023 11:29am
    - thirteenstars
      
      They are like gold. I know of a number of landlords and tenants who report keeping rent lower than market rates over many years for good tenants that never give them problems and look after the property as if they owned it.
      
      Landlords tend to get what they give as long as they choose wisely when selecting tenants, and once you’ve got a good one you hold onto them. A bit like an employer who knows they have an excellent employee.
      
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      December 6, 2023 9:06am
    - artemisia
      
      Regardless of whether tenants are good or not so good, the proposed new termination rule will not require a reason to be stated. Though not clear so far what will apply in the case of fixed term tenancies terminating before the end date.
      
      Tenancy rules are currently very complex on several fronts. Especially for tenants, but also for landlords with only a very small number of rentals.
      
      For example, at the moment owners who want to sell their rental even with perfect tenants, have to navigate rules around marketing, vacant possession, access, unconditional agreements. But wait, there’s more …..
      
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      December 6, 2023 9:14am
    - Lance
      
      Oh logic, a fine thing.
      My daughter has had 4 differnt landlords over the years.
      2 were good, one was morally bankrupt and the 4th was batshit crazy.
      The circumstances would take too long to type out but so many WTF’s
      A brief intro…
      I want to do renovations, you have to move out for 3 weeks but you must keep paying rent over that time.
      I am now going to rent out the garage you use for your car (as was written in the agreement) for someone to live in and they will have a key to get into the house at anytime to use the toilet etc.
      The offstreet carpark you have alloted in writing, is now being rented out to someone else.
      So on and so forth.
      
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      December 6, 2023 9:23am
      - artemisia
        
        For all of those things, tenants have recourse to the Tenancy Tribunal.
        
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        December 6, 2023 10:02am
      - Lance
        
        @artemisia
        That’s what I used to think as well, alas the reality seems to be different, maybe it’s a lottery?
        My daughter and her flatmates took the batshit crazy landlord to the tenancy tribunal.
        I cut a long story short, the original adjudicator didn’t know his arse from his elbow and the landlord was represented by her lawyer (supposedly not allowed) and appealed twice before eventually having to accept the ruling (which was to only get their bond back in the end). The other fines were never paid.
        
        I write this to show it is not all one way traffic on these rulings
        
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        December 6, 2023 12:19pm
- mast
  
  Looking at the photos it is the same person and also this is the wife https://www.facebook.com/anu.abraham.750/ and here is the husband https://www.facebook.com/roshan.johnmureekal
  
  There are often 3 sides to every story but aside from doing this to someone who has a brain tumour (nearly always fatal) is that they are both nurses at Dunedin Hospital…WTF? I’m struggling to see the other sides especially given:
  1. The woman has an almost fatal diagnosis that she advised them of prior
  2. They are both registered nurses at Dunedin Hospital
  3. They were warned by the property manager not to be nefarious
  4. Their actions show they just wanted an easier way to raise the rent by $130.
  
  Their behaviour is not what we would expect as NZ citizens and is despicable given all of the above. I don’t care what their colour or heritage is, just their actions which are despicable.
  
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  December 6, 2023 9:58am
Tauhei Notts

Interesting chat with an old friend. She used to be a radio advertising salesperson 15-20 years ago. She had commented about how she would have liked to have been selling advertising for the National Programme as they had such a large audience.
Fast forward to 2023 and she reckons the impact of the National Programme, outside of that insular community called Wellington, is so small.
“My old job would be much easier today.”
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December 6, 2023 8:15am
- Benedict Yu
  
  What is the “National Programme”?
  
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  December 6, 2023 8:53am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Old name for Radio New Zealand National.
    
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    December 6, 2023 9:07am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Thanks
      
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      December 6, 2023 9:24am
  - Matt Long
    
    1YA
    
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    December 6, 2023 9:20am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yeah I don’t know what that is either.
      
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      December 6, 2023 9:24am
      - Jethrod
        
        1YA, 2YA, 3YA and 4YA used to be the callsigns for National radio in the main centres. 1ZB used to be what Newstalk is now.
        
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        December 6, 2023 9:41am
      - Matt Long
        
        1YA is what my parents called the National Program
        https://teara.govt.nz/en/1966/25250/print
        
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        December 6, 2023 9:42am
      - Tauhei Notts
        
        Reminiscences.
        Radio stations were 1,2,3 or 4, being Auckland province was 1; Southern North Island together with Blenheim and Nelson were 2. The South Island between the Waitaki and the Clarence were 3. South of the Waitaki was 4. YA was as described above. YC was the concert programme. X and Z were commercial stations. For example, 1XH was a Hamilton commercial station. Then it changed to 1ZH. Gisborne, although in the Auckland province, was 2XG.
        When I mentioned the Clarence, the Conway might have been the boundary, but I am not sure.
        Whatever, but they were all rather boring until changes after Radio Hauraki came on air in 1966.
        Us old bastards can go on a bit.
        
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        December 6, 2023 10:02am
      - Diogenes
        
        I was a journalist with Radio NZ in Christchurch in the 1980s. In those days the newsroom supplied 3ZM, 3ZB and 3YA, and for a time there was a supposed reciprocal arrangement with TVNZ for news exchange (honoured mostly in the breach rather than in the observance). Local news bulletins were tagged on to the national news every half hour at peak times in the morning, and at lunchtime. The ZM news was read by the journalist tagged with compiling it, which I did for a year; ZB had its own dedicated news reader for peak hours (apart from reading for a couple of minutes every half hour, he sat and read a book; and at other times one of the announcers would pop in to the newsroom to do the duty. On YA, local news was tagged on to the national bulletin at 6pm weekdays, and three times a day at weekends. These were read by one of the journalists, including myself.
        
        All that local content has now vanished, sadly, since the takeover of the ZM and ZB frequencies. Local YA news is no more. The ethics and standards of the newsroom (and nationwide) were vastly different from what they have degenerated to today. “Old school” journalism still prevailed in general, and while the environment was extremely stressful, there was a comeraderie which helped to ease that. Practical jokes were rife — you had to go mad occasionally to stay sane.
        
        I was made redundant in 1988, a merciful release. I had wanted to quit some years before, but because of the above-average salary, to my sadness I didn’t have to courage to just walk away. A year’s salary as redundancy eased the pain considerably. I never went back into daily media, but turned to graphic design and later to research-based writing for several organisations. I still occasionally have nightmares based on the time with RNZ — I think it’s rather like a form of PTSD.
        
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        December 6, 2023 10:39am
      - Clyde
        
        There was even a 5ZB. It was installed in a train carriage in 1939 and toured the country assessing the market etc. I think that the carriage and equipment is still preserved somewhere.
        
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        December 6, 2023 10:46am
      - Tom Hunter
        
        For example, 1XH was a Hamilton commercial station. Then it changed to 1ZH.
        
        Heh. My memories of 1ZH (among other things)
        
        And it was there that I first heard, The Ballard of John and Yoko, and I was mystified when there appeared to be a “blip” in the lyrics. I caught it four times in the song so I realised it wasn’t an AM glitch; a word had been blipped out:
        
        “‘Blip’, you know it ain’t easy”.
        
        It wasn’t until I bought a double cassette tape of The Beatles Greatest Hits, 1967-1970, that I finally figured out what John Lennon was singing:
        
        “Christ, you know it ain’t easy”
        
        My first awareness of censorship. I was surprised because I’d thought that outfits like 1ZH were cool places filled with groovy people playing outrageous music as part of sticking it to The Man
        
        And on that note I did not include the original post title in that link because I might get the Radio 1 treatment for modern blasphemy. 🙂
        
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        December 6, 2023 11:13am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Tauhuei Notts, the “X”s were the originally the pirate stations. 1XA was Radio Hauraki, and 1XI was Radio I. Originally, the “Z”s were the commercial stations of what was NZBC and they ran advertising, while the National stations did not.
        
        Broadcasting was “reformed” in 1975 into Television New Zealand and Radio New Zealand under BCNZ. At this time there were 2 TV stations under TV NZ & all the radio stations. Despite the reform in 1975, this did not stop the Muldoon govt interfering with the broadcast media.
        
        The cosy arrangements of the radio stations remained until the early 1980s, when a new band of radio pirates took to the airwaves with FM transmission. These guys operated from vans running around Auckland to avoid the P&T inspectors trying to close them down. As new technology evolved, it was getting cheaper to run radio stations, and with that we got takeovers etc and what we have today. Of the stations I grew up with in Auckland, the only ones that remain are RNZ National & Concert, Newstalk ZB, ZM Music, Radio Hauraki. The rest are new or rebranded versions of what was about in the 1980s/90s – eg MoreFM.
        
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        December 6, 2023 1:58pm
      - Jack5
        
        Can you radio heads tell us whether digital broadcasting of radio is on the horizon for NZ, or is that going to be obsolescent before we get round to it?
        
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        December 6, 2023 3:06pm
slightlyrighty

https://centrist.co.nz/the-msm-wants-to-overthrow-the-government/?utm_source=mailchimp-email&utm_medium=organic-social&utm_campaign=newsletter-5-dec-23

Interesting read. It struck me that one thing about the Mainstream Media is that the MSM no longer practices meritocracy within itself, so it cannot promote something it does not recognise or value.
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December 6, 2023 8:15am
Maggie Pie

“A touch of powder and paint makes you something you ain’t”
– Maksymilian Faktorowicz [1877-1938]

Looks like Police Minister Mark Mitchell could really be onto something….

https://twitter.com/shouldveknown11/status/1731889976185393460

😀 😀 😀
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December 6, 2023 8:18am
- Sacha
  
  ‘Powder and paint, makes a gal what she ain’t’
  
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  December 6, 2023 8:55am
- Ruawai
  
  I was talking to a Maori cloak maker recently who has no time for Te Pati Maori and she said Debbie is as white as white under her moko and fake tan.
  
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  December 6, 2023 9:33am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Yeah, people should have a strictly defined shade of brown skin before they can claim to be “Māori”.
    
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    December 6, 2023 9:59am
    - Damocles11
      
      You imply others are ‘racist’, yet you support systems which give a certain race special rights & privileges. Wake up to yourself.
      
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      December 6, 2023 10:16am
    - JimBobJoe
      
      That seems to be Labours view Mikey – David Seymour, Paula Bennett etc etc were not Maori enough for Labour…. And I see some Lefties are labelling No Leftie Maori as Uncle Toms.
      
      The Left are truly a nasty bunch and boy they have taken to losing the 2023 election ina resounding fashion
      
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      December 6, 2023 4:35pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Ruawai: Interesting…and her Moko Kaue (not sure of the correct spelling) is not even well done. If you look at the two downturned “curlicues” in the middle, they are not quite symmetrical… My eyes are drawn to that that bad bit of drawing every time I see her pontificating.
    
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    December 6, 2023 10:00am
    - cmm
      
      Symmetry is a colonial construct.
      
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      December 6, 2023 11:34am
- Close Hen Counters
  
  Omg the comments are right on the money Maggie!!!! When I saw those losers and the Green Party in their dressups yesterday, I knew I voted for the right party to govern nz 🐝
  
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  December 6, 2023 9:55am
ClanMcleod

Steve Kirsch is right on point here.

Is there anyone who believes vaccines are safe who is calling for data transparency of record-level data? Or is it just the “misinformation spreaders”?

There isn’t a single person, government or organisation on the planet apparently who want data transparency. It’s not a good look is it?

https://x.com/stkirsch/status/1732100152825909269?s=20

Release the data. End the speculation.
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December 6, 2023 8:23am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Releasing the data would most likely end the cover-up of global proportions, so they can’t have that, can they?
  
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  December 6, 2023 8:30am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Someone might get in trouble – and under Labour, nobody can ever be at fault.
    
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    December 6, 2023 8:44am
    - MCōs
      
      . . . . . . and under National as we are now?
      
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      December 6, 2023 9:12am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        The Covid lies happened under Ardern and Labour. Did you miss them?
        
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        December 6, 2023 9:54am
      - MCōs
        
        I thought you were going to say all will be revealed
        
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        December 6, 2023 10:09am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        All might be revealed. Alex Jones is onto it!
        
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        December 6, 2023 10:26am
- Maggie Pie
  
  And see where the whistleblower has already hit the big time….
  on The Alex Jones Show!
  
  https://madmaxworld.tv/watch?id=656d38510681e68064f4eee4
  
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  December 6, 2023 8:37am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Good stuff. Let’s see the Ministry of Health answer a few questions from crazy Alex!
    
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    December 6, 2023 8:48am
- david in Aus
  
  The data is there.
  https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/measuring-australias-excess-mortality-during-covid-19-pandemic-until-first-quarter-2023#key-statistics
  People should look for themselves.
  
  Meanwhile, do we really know about alien abductions? What are they hiding? The cousin of Aunt Betty twice removed said she was kidnapped by green aliens, so it must be true.
  
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  December 6, 2023 8:37am
  - david in Aus
    
    There is plenty of data. The issue has been the propensity of some people not to believe them unless it fits their narrative.
    
    For example, a Twitter feed about myocarditis in the US. The rates of myocarditis increased in 2020 before the covid vaccines were available. Then it dropped in 2021 and 2022. This is on a trend of decreasing deaths. Instead, you have people rambling on about myocarditis and vaccines and how it is contributing to all these deaths.
    
    https://twitter.com/Truth_in_Number/status/1689430180690026496
    
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    December 6, 2023 9:03am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      ffs are you for real? Narrative control by trolls like you is all we’ve had for over 3 years.
      
      Myocarditis and pericarditis are acknowledged outcomes from covid vaccination. Even from the clowns who pushed this toxin on unsuspecting people. This causes permanent heart damage.
      
      Because a fit, young person collapses and dies from a heart attack 2 years later, this won’t be connected with the prior damage. Excess all cause mortality is through the roof everywhere and it is highest in the most vaccinated countries.
      
      What is causing it?
      
      Why is nobody willing to investigate it?
      
      If there is no risk from the jabs, why don’t they simply release all of the data that we now know they have? Do that and they can prove their case in a couple of days at most.
      Why the massive overreaction? Release the data. You win. You know they won’t and you also know why.
      
      Why is it only the ‘conspiracy theorists’ asking for data transparency?
      
      Go away, have a think about what you’re going to say before posting it and making a fool of yourself.
      The official narrative is pure lies and most people now recognise that.
      
      Try trolling somewhere else.
      
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      December 6, 2023 10:01am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        4 downticks. As you say, over the target!
        
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        December 6, 2023 10:33am
      - Ghost
        
        Mike must be constantly over the target then going by your standards
        
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        December 6, 2023 10:40am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Ghost, I rarely downtick. Yesterday I upticked Mike.
        
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        December 6, 2023 10:51am
      - david in Aus
        
        @ClanMcleod. Giving information is not trolling. My approach is that I would appreciate if someone made points against my position. I see it as an opportunity for further my understanding or change my mind, not as an affront.
        
        You make assertions with no evidence.
        
        For instance, your claim that countries with higher vaccination rates have higher excess death rates. Where did you get this? The evidence is the opposite.
        
        “From June 27, 2021, to March 26, 2022, the US would have averted 122 304 deaths if COVID-19 mortality matched that of the 10 most-vaccinated states and 266 700 deaths if US excess all-cause mortality rate matched that of the 10 most-vaccinated states. If the US matched the rates of other peer countries, averted deaths would have been substantially higher in most cases (range, 154 622-357 899 for COVID-19 mortality; 209 924-465 747 for all-cause mortality).”
        
        JAMA. 2023;329(1):92-94. doi:10.1001/jama.2022.21795
        https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2798990
        
        In a study of 178 nations:
        “Multiple regression analysis, after adjusting for life expectancy at birth, confirmed a significant association between higher vaccination coverage and lower all-cause mortality rates (β = −106.8, 95% CI −175.4 to −38.2, p = 0.002). These findings underscore the importance of vaccination campaigns in reducing overall mortality during the COVID-19 pandemic.”
        Vaccines (Basel). 2023 Aug; 11(8): 1294.
        
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        December 6, 2023 1:49pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        david in Aus – I have no idea where you popped up from, but the evidence has been presented multiple times. Here’s the Whoreald talking about it in NZ.
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new-zealand-records-biggest-increase-in-registered-deaths-in-100-years/BQERSTKIANCKRNNA7IL42RD52U/
        
        Here’s Dr John Campbell doing the numbers.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av4Ej6om0WI&pp=ygUaZXhjZXNzIGFsbCBjYXVzZSBtb3J0YWxpdHk%3D
        
        Now you can debate the causes, but nobody is looking into why. Strange huh?
        
        Seriously, don’t waste my time. You’re a shill. This topic isn’t up for debate, unless you’re David Seymour and you try and use 2020 when we were locked up (it wasn’t a lockdown) to distort your numbers.
        
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        December 6, 2023 2:50pm
      - david in Aus
        
        @ClanMcleod. In science you have to prove causation. The description of high deaths rates in the midst of pandemic is not evidence of vaccine related deaths.
        
        There appears to be denial that covid virus increased mortality rates. In your mind was there any contribution from the covid 19 virus to excess deaths?
        
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        December 6, 2023 3:55pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        david in Aus – none of this is ‘in my mind’.
        
        Yes, covid contribute to the deaths of some people who were vulnerable and had other health issues. Just like any other respiratory illness does. People died ‘with’ covid, not ‘from’ covid. As happens with old and frail people with the flu. The cause of death will be heart failure or similar, with the infection listed as a contributing factor.
        
        We know covid was created in a lab thanks to Fauci and his penchant for gain of function research. But instead of focusing on who caused these deaths, we harass, abuse and vilify anyone pointing this out.
        
        But back to the blindingly obvious. Why is the MoH not acknowledging this alarming excess all cause mortality, let alone trying to find out what the causes are? Some MIGHT be from the man made covid. Many will be from other issues that arose due to us being locked up. But there is no doubt that the rise directly correlates with the beginning of the jabbing.
        
        Last time.
        
        Release ALL of the data and we’ll be able to prove very quickly what caused it.
        
        Then we can start the criminal trials.
        
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        December 6, 2023 4:37pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      You seem to be under the impression that these folks could understand data. Even if they could, exposing cranks to factual information has the interesting psychological effect of inducing them to double down on their crazy beliefs.
      
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      December 6, 2023 10:02am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Go and have a lie down Milky, the adults are talking.
        
        Facts are facts, science is science, not ‘The Science’.
        
        Give it to recognised, independent experts to do the analysis. True data and science speaks for itself. That’s how it works. That’s how charlatans are exposed.
        That’s why they won’t release the data. No other reason.
        
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        December 6, 2023 10:10am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Mike
        
        “You seem to be under the impression that these folks could understand data”
        
        Are these folks real people or do they exist only in your mind.
        Making declaratory statements questioning the intellect of others infers that you believe that you are qualified to be the arbiter.
        
        Could you please provide evidence .
        
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        December 6, 2023 10:17am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      And please, don’t get me started on the misrepresentation of deaths. 3 years ago, every death was ‘covid’ including gunshots.
      The statistical manipulation during this circus has been off the scale. But the whole shit show is collapsing like a wet paper bag and it’s long overdue.
      
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      December 6, 2023 10:06am
      - david in Aus
        
        It doesn’t seem data is what you want. Because it will be ‘manipulated’ if goes against your beliefs.
        
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        December 6, 2023 10:25am
      - mawm
        
        The modellers strike again.
        
        They used a model for influenza based on 7 year average … but excluded past epidemics, downgraded outliers and multiplied the upper predicted level by 1.64. Despite all this for all of Australia “sustained statistically significant excess mortality continued to be recorded in Australia in the first quarter of 2023.
        For all weeks in the first quarter of 2023 the number of deaths exceeded the upper limit of usual variation reaching statistical significance (1,180 deaths).
        While excess mortality for 2023 for Australia is at 9.1% above expected, this is lower than excess mortality for the first quarter in 2022 which was 16.6% above expected.
        They claim Covid was the “main contributor” to the numbers but don’t say what percentage. If only 51% it would still be the main contributor. It also ignores the pull forward effect of the “culling” of the elderly in the preceding years of the pandemic.
        
        It resembles “climate science” where adjustments are made so that the data can be made to fit the narrative.
        
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        December 6, 2023 3:40pm
  - dcrane
    
    david in Aus
    Do you think the crisis in confidence in vaccination here in NZ is worth doing something about?
    
    The NZ government holds the gold standard data: detailed **individual level** info on medical histories of millions of people who were vaccinated and a decent number who were not. Plus the chance to examine dose dependence in outcomes of 1, 2, 3, boosters etc.
    
    Steve Kirsch has made the key point. Why won’t you call for the government to conduct the detailed and definitive study to prove the safety of the vaccines?
    
    Complaints about cost are a total joke after the last administration. Anonymity can be managed. No, the reason is you’re afraid of being proven wrong. Unlike me. If I’m wrong I’ll deal with it, although I will have always been right to call for the data to come out.
    
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    December 6, 2023 11:51am
- imalwaysright
  
  Plunket is currently doing an “interview” with Pitoussis Harris that The Wiggles would be proud of.
  
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  December 6, 2023 8:51am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    omfg – is that the “expert” he was dribbling on about last night on Twitter???
    
    I sent multiple pieces of government and other provable data re the issues around the jabs to Swarbrick as my electorate MP. They responded:
    
    we trust the knowledge and expertise of scientists producing peer-reviewed, officially published research.
    
    …..and sent me this 3 year old discombobulated nonsense.
    
    https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2021/04/30/eight-most-common-myths-about-covid-vaccines.html
    
    If you want a giggle, read it. It’s an embarrassment to anyone purporting to be an expert in anything.
    It states at the top:
    
    Opinion: Helen Petousis-Harris takes apart eight of the most dangerous and untrue pieces of propaganda currently circulating in NZ about Covid-19 vaccines.
    
    OPINION!!
    
    She the goes on to make a complete and total arse of herself. Seriously, have a read.
    
    Plunket has hit peak dickhead this time.
    
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    December 6, 2023 9:21am
    - kevn
      
      Clan… Plunkett has really locked in hasn’t he?
      Must be chasing the ratings game.
      
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      December 6, 2023 9:55am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        kevn – I think Plunket is in denial due to his heart problems after 3 jabs.
        
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        December 6, 2023 10:17am
- kevn
  
  Clan… The C19 door in the UK has creaked open…
  https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/testimony-in-uk-parliament-show-us?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=583200&post_id=139457252&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=15bbs6&utm_medium=email
  
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  December 6, 2023 9:00am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    kevn – yes, 16 MPs attended this time, a substantial improvement on previous times he spoke in the House.
    
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    December 6, 2023 10:21am
    - Bridgenag
      
      Testimony in UK Parliament: Show us the data!
      Lies our governments told us.
      
      So, in conclusion, what we’ve had here is a rushed product, a rushed technology, a failure to provide respect for humans in not allowing them to have informed consent, and furthermore, actively deploying the most massive propaganda campaign in the history of the modern world to suppress the ability of the public to gain access, merely to have the knowledge of what the adverse event risks are.
      
      https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/testimony-in-uk-parliament-show-us?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
      
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      December 6, 2023 5:20pm
  - mawm
    
    keen – also available is Mike Yeadon’s prerecorded address.
    https://www.aussie17.com/p/important-dr-mike-yeadons-address
    
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    December 6, 2023 3:47pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Awesome!
      
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      December 6, 2023 4:41pm
- MCōs
  
  What data would you like released?
  If Johnny Citizen dies shortly after being vaccinated that info on its own proves nothing without a complete medical history including an autopsy
  My original father in law, for example, was very ill, but refused to see a doctor. He died and an autopsy revealed he had throat cancer. No doubt if he’d had a recent covid vaccine some zealots would have said that was the cause of his death without knowing about the cancer
  
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  December 6, 2023 9:10am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    You are correct but the opposite also holds true.
    
    Covid deaths were treated exactly the same way you just suggested which as you suggested is ridiculous.
    
    They also deliberately played down any potential vaccine harm to the point that no verification was done (unless it was an immediate reaction) so they had plausible deniability. Your argument holds because of this choice. This is how fraud works, remove controls and your fraud can’t be proven.
    
    This also meant that high risk individuals were not given information about the risk the vaccine posed to them and risked harm because of this.
    
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    December 6, 2023 9:30am
  - wsk12345
    
    But if you have 4 million records you don’t need autopsy as you can instead see if the excess deaths are statistically significant, subtract those caused by covid and you’re left with an elephant in the room. Then you can conclude that it’s Definitely climate change that caused the excess deaths.
    
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    December 6, 2023 9:35am
    - MCōs
      
      How do you know if those allegedly caused by covid weren’t caused by something else the poor sod was afflicted with at the time. Influenza for example?
      
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      December 6, 2023 10:17am
      - imalwaysright
        
        That’s why we need a program of autopsies of people who die prematurely and who are jabbed.
        Take a sample number of corpses each month.
        
        It is difficult to believe that scientists and the government haven’t already implemented this. Don’t they want to know the affect of the jab and the virus?
        
        The real data is in the corpse
        
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        December 6, 2023 10:28am
      - david in Aus
        
        @iamalwaysright. Obviously, you have no background in medicine. Autopsies involves the opening the heart, chest, brain etc. Biopsy is not what you do for viral infections.
        
        Imagine cutting up the bodies for thousands of people. They would be in storage for years. Pathologists only do a few at most per day.
        
        The reality is antivaxxers will never be satisfied. They will always have another reason… oh wait 20 years, it changed your DNA etc it will show up then. An absence of evidence means you HAVEN’T LOOKED to these folks.
        
        They seem to be impervious to data. I post so others less certain have available data they can look at those themselves. Data interpretation skills and critical reasoning is sufficient to draw conclusions for those without fixed beliefs.
        
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        December 6, 2023 10:57am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        imalwaysright – which makes the rule change earlier in the year, that ‘sudden death’ can be designated as of unknown cause with no autopsy, even in a young, healthy person.
        Why would you do that unless you have something to hide?
        
        Transparency is long overdue.
        
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        December 6, 2023 11:00am
      - imalwaysright
        
        DiA
        Your response is disjointed and vague. Would you mind tidying it up and reposting please. Read my post before you do, that should assist focus.
        
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        December 6, 2023 11:23am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        david in Aus – autopsies are meant to be done when there is a sudden unexplained death, especially young people. That’s why NZ changed the rules so they can designate these deaths as ‘normal’.
        
        Seriously. Go troll somewhere else. Your ‘stats’ look impressive to a layperson or someone not paying attention, but it’s total bs. Everything you posted.
        Just like the rest of the covid narrative from the beginning.
        
        Next you’ll be telling me the jabs are ‘safe and effective’ and they stop ‘infection and transmission’.
        
        🤡🤡🤡
        
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        December 6, 2023 2:57pm
      - mawm
        
        David – if one has a novel virus and are using new technology to prevent the spread and severity, which has been shown to do neither, responsible governments would be doing autopsies. Cutting open the chest, heart, and brain plus many more organs is precisely what one does. The organs get examined and tissue samples taken and appropriately stained. Failure to do this is medical negligence, but instead we have a guess as to the cause from their medical history. Clearly your understanding of the importance of autopsies to try and understand a disease and to investigate the cause of death and the advancement of the science from doing such investigations is limited.
        
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        December 6, 2023 3:56pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    MCōs – I get your point. But apparently though incomplete, the NZ data is comprehensive, age, jab status, date of jab, number of jabs, other medical conditions etc.
    
    If we had the full data going back 2 years, actual data analysts can identify patterns. The most simplistic being if you had 2,000 people who died who fit the same data profile, and 1,400 of them who died were jabbed and 600 weren’t, that is a very big pointer that there is a problem with the jabs.
    
    The key thing here is, proper and thorough data analysis would end any speculation and we can move on.
    Instead, as we know, we’ve been lied to and gaslit constantly for almost 4 years. Something needs to be done to restore trust in our government and our health authorities.
    
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    December 6, 2023 10:29am
    - david in Aus
      
      @ClanMclead. ” if you have 2000 that fit the same data profile and 1400 who are jabbed die compared to 600 ….”
      
      80-90% of the population was jabbed. What I see is people are comparing the absolute numbers of both groups and not the rate. It’s like saying Maori are less likely to be criminals because there are more Pakehas in prison. Totally discounting the disparity in populations where Pakeha outnumber Maori 4:1.
      
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      December 6, 2023 11:05am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        david in Aus – no, I understand statistics. Let me make myself clear. I’m talking direct comparison of sample groups from jabbed and unjabbed of similar size.
        
        1000 of each group. No jabs, 1 jab, 2 jabs, 3 jabs etc.
        Then look at the outcomes, factoring in age, health status etc.
        
        Don’t try and twist this around. I’m guessing you’re one of an army of trolls that will be employed attempting some damage control since the data dump.
        
        Real simple. Would you be comfortable with ALL of the data (that we now know exists) being released for independent analysis?
        
        Because that is all it will take to put this thing to bed, once and for all.
        
        Don’t bother answering.
        
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        December 6, 2023 3:03pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      The big thing with NZ Data, Is we had very little Covid before vaccinations.
      
      Where as, the rest of the World had Covid first , Then Vaccination.
      
      If released in its entirety, NZ ( Full) Data , Will confirm how efficient Vaccination was / And how much harm is caused.
      
      This is why NZ Data is so important.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MJOgBg-CxI
      
      Keep up the Good work @Clan
      
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      December 6, 2023 12:55pm
- Grunter
  
  Clan – not sure if you’ve read Kirsch’s latest Substack today? It’s a long one and I’ve only skimmed it so far.
  
  https://kirschsubstack.com/p/its-always-the-last-dose-that-gets?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=548354&post_id=139001099&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=7myba&utm_medium=email
  
  “Data scientist” Mike Deskevich has done some analysis on the leaked NZ data. Key finding I’ve spotted is ….
  
  “Turns out the vaccine increases death rates in the first 6 months after the shot which persists for about a year before going back to baseline. And it’s the last dose that kills you – pulling forward death into that first year post shot.”
  
  So , based on this data, the jab didn’t decrease death from Covid (ie NOT Effective). AND, In the first 6 months after the last jab it caused an increase in death (ie NOT Safe).
  
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  December 6, 2023 11:12am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Grunter – it’s without doubt now. But we still have trolls like david in Aus with their nonsensical denials trying to spin the official narrative.
    
    It’s probably Petoussis Harris in drag.
    
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    December 6, 2023 11:22am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Mike in drag!//
      
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      December 6, 2023 3:02pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Steve – not a chance, Mike isn’t remotely bright enough to attempt something like that. No, I’m picking a shill from the MoH trying to distract people.
        
        I’ll say it one last time, this is VERY simple.
        
        Release ALL of the data we know they are holding. Give it over to independent experts to analyse. We have 2 years of the stuff.
        
        This thing is done and dusted in a few days.
        
        This is why they won’t release the data and it’s why they’re punishing the whistleblower and trying to hunt down and destroy as much of it as they can.
        
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        December 6, 2023 3:07pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        You know Clan, you may be right about a MOH shill. Never thought of it, but going by the bullshit Labour Govt it is likely!
        OIA?
        
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        December 6, 2023 3:10pm
SmokerGuy

I’m starting to feel quite unwelcome in my own country. I voted for change and the hostility towards the new government, aided by a very impartial MSM is depressing and disrespectful to the large number of New Zealanders who wanted a change. If this is how the country will react in future to anything that isn’t what the hard left want, then I cannot see myself living here in the long term. Were is not for me having school age children who are settled, I would want out of this country. It’s not somewhere I want to be anymore, I’ve never felt that way until now. We are on a very slippery slope toward oblivion.
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December 6, 2023 8:29am
- EssenX
  
  This is not unique to NZ. Think about the “Not my President” when Trump was elected. What did the left think would happen a divisive Democratic candidate won? Winning with humility and accepting defeat has long been forgotten.
  
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  December 6, 2023 9:08am
  - Damocles11
    
    The Left have learnt from the US experience of their response to Trumps election, and are now applying the same template here. Every organ of their apparatus is waging war on the new government, and ordinary citizens can only stand by and watch.
    
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    December 6, 2023 10:25am
- Damocles11
  
  I think many people will be pondering along the same lines. What with the biased media / CTU / biased public service / rise of rabid Leftist political parties / rampant maori separatism & radicalism…the ordinary public simply will be swept along on a Leftist tide no matter who is in power. We have 3 years of protests, strikes, division, and media-stoked hatred in front of us. This environment is now so toxic to democracy and societal harmony that many will feel that they simply must escape.
  
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  December 6, 2023 10:23am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I’m prepared to give the coalition a few months to move from talking to action. I’d have to say Dr Reti’s instant vax-narrative defense last week leaves me with less hope of real change.
    
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    December 6, 2023 11:10am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Kraz
      
      Same here. My hope is that Reti doesn’t seem the type to bear the burden of a closed mind.
      
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      December 6, 2023 11:33am
- Grunter
  
  Yep – I know how you feel SmokerGuy.
  
  The choice of where to move to is a bit complicated IMO. Where would you go? The entire ‘West’ is as bad or worse than NZ.
  
  And other options – nowhere is close to what I’d want, as expected there are pros & cons no matter where you go.
  
  My plan instead is to hunker down and prepare for the sihtshow that is looming over the next decade best I can.
  
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  December 6, 2023 11:25am
  - dcrane
    
    There are a few US states holding out for a higher standard of individual freedom. Flawed, but something.
    
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    December 6, 2023 11:53am
Maggy Wassilieff

A harrowing read:

“Israel Gaza: Hamas raped and mutilated women on 7 October, BBC hears”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181
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December 6, 2023 8:32am
- NothingLeft
  
  Don’t you go imposing your western colonizers attitudes about rape, torture and murder on the nice young men of Gaza.
  
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  December 6, 2023 8:47am
- nathie
  
  Appalling. Sadly the Green Party scumbags and their idiot fellow protesters won’t acknowledge this.
  
  I have yet to hear the Greens or the protesters condemn Hamas and their hate crimes against innocent Israeli women and children.
  
  Why can’t the NZ media hold the Green Party to account and raise these issues directly with them for a reaction instead of ignoring this?
  
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  December 6, 2023 8:58am
- Matt Long
  
  But don’t forget this is all the fault of the “Zionists” according to our most virtuous commenters. After all it must be because the Jews act badly that they have been the victims of hatred and prejudice, otherwise our most virtuous Jew haters would have to face the fact that they are hateful people.
  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state-dept-hamas-refuses-release-women-hostages-prevent-sharing-horrors-captivity
  
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  December 6, 2023 9:12am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  And the BBC’s only just seen fit to report this? These things happened nearly a month ago and have been well-publicised by both Hamas propaganda and the Israelis ever since. Headline ought actually to be “BBC finally realises that it cannot sustain wilful blindness indefinitely”
  
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  December 6, 2023 9:43am
  - MCōs
    
    Two months ago tomorrow
    
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    December 6, 2023 10:18am
    - Dudley Quaffquaff
      
      Bah! When you are as old as I am you will find time goes more quickly
      
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      December 6, 2023 10:49am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yes Dad.
        
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        December 6, 2023 3:14pm
- David Garrett
  
  Jesus…I usually scoff about those warnings at the start of such stories, but I found I couldn’t read the whole of that article. Barbaric doesn’t even begin to describe it.
  I have just finished Max Hastings “Armageddon” about the Battle for Germany in 1945. What the story above details is ten times worse than what the Russians did when they got onto German soil.
  
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  December 6, 2023 10:12am
  - plc
    
    Beevor’s “Berlin” is well worth a read.
    
    Reap what you sow seemed to be the underlying sentiment 1944-45 with East Prussia in the firing line.
    
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    December 6, 2023 10:42am
    - David Garrett
      
      plc: I find Beevor’s writing significantly less readable than Hastings’.
      
      I am currently reading Beevor’s “Paris” which is about the period from the liberation until 1949.
      
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      December 6, 2023 11:48am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Then do not read “The Rape of Nanking” or anything about the Nanjing Massacre of Chinese civilians by the Japanese.
    
    Unfortunately there’s loads of photographic material.
    
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    December 6, 2023 10:52am
    - David Garrett
      
      Maggy: I read it some years ago. Unless my memory is faulty, what the Hamas terrorists have done still seems worse.
      
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      December 6, 2023 11:46am
      - Jack5
        
        The Nanking massacre began 96 years ago next Wednesday.
        
        The Tokyo War Crimes Tribunal (the International Military Tribunal for the Far East) estimated that the atrocities included at least 200,000 murders and at least 20,000 cases of rape.
        
        John Rabe played a leading role in saving 200,000 Nanking people. Rabe, a German and a Nazi, was appointed in control of the city by the Nationalist Chinese forces when they retreated. Rabe set up a “safety zone” including all embassies in Nanking.
        
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        December 6, 2023 1:21pm
Swifty

This is revealing. An insight into how and what the other side think.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yoUBR-OE2eQ

And it ain’t pretty. Note too some spectacularly failed assumptions.
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December 6, 2023 8:35am
- David Garrett
  
  Swifty: Who are these two bearded clowns??
  
  But regarding advice from officials, let me share this story from my short political career.
  
  When Three Strikes was going through parliament, we asked Justice officials to give us reliable estimates of the impact of what was proposed on prisoner bed numbers. They came back with the frightening claim that 3S would increase bed numbers by 42% over five years. (Workman went one better, and said the prison population would triple over the same period)
  
  Rodney and I were thinking “how the hell do we sell this?” when Rodney became suspicious of the methodology behind the estimate. Unlike me, he and our Chief of Staff Peter Keenan are numbers guys – both have economics degrees.
  
  Cutting a long story short, when Judith Collins took over the Bill – after Power tried to blackmail Key after he had made an agreement with us, and then threw his toys out of the cot, saying he would have nothing further to do with it – Judith had her officials do some numbers based on strike offending over the past 30 years projected forward for 30 more years, but with 3S factored in.
  
  The results were dramatically different from the made up Justice Dept. stats, and have proved to be pretty well right. Three strikes increased prisoner bed numbers by about 400 over the ten years it was in force. In other words the increase caused by it was less than 1% of prison beds, not 40%.
  
  The moral of the story is that supposedly independent officials simply cannot be trusted – or at least many of them cannot be trusted – to give accurate advice to a centre right government. They are shills for the left.
  
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  December 6, 2023 10:38am
- Swifty
  
  Now that I’ve a bit more time, I’ll make a few quick points:
  
  1. At no stage do the bearded buffoons allow for the possibility that the Unfair Pay Agreement cabinet paper was leaked by someone other than a National politician. Like a civil servant for example. They just automatically assume it was leaked by a Nat MP on the basis of no evidence whatsoever.
  
  2. Of course the Unfair Pay Agreements will deliver more cash to people who currently have jobs – but they make absolutely no mention of the impact on unemployment, job growth nor how pay rises will be funded. I contend that pay rises will be funded by increased prices paid by NZ families for goods and services thereby adding fuel to the cost of living fire and pushing NZ families back even further.
  
  3. Unfair Pay Agreements also help destroy competition between firms (particularly the ability to compete on price) and completely removes one of the best tools available to the young, unskilled or brown folk to get a start on the jobs ladder – to take a low wage initially before advancing up the pay scales as a result of developing better skills and behaviours.
  
  4. It totally plays into the hands of ‘big business’ at the expense of small business who are less likely to be able to afford significant wage increases without commensurate productivity increases.
  
  5. Of all the myriad ways people have, for Millenia, increased their wages over time this is easily the most damaging and counter-productive. It is easily one of the worst ideas ever to come out of the New Zealand Labour Party in the last generation.
  
  New Zealand families should be supremely grateful this never got off the ground.
  
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  December 6, 2023 11:29am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I think the concept that Unions are bad for young folk and those at the bottom of the job heap is too difficult for Labour folk to comprehend.
    
    There are a ton of reasons in theory why unions may increase unemployment of low income workers, decrease productivity and increase the cost-of-living.
    
    https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2023/12/06/rob-macculloch-newshub-and-nz-herald-report-misleading-garbage-about-acts-van-veldon-not-following-treasury-advice/
    
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    December 6, 2023 1:55pm
    - Swifty
      
      Thank you Maggy.
      
      Yes, the level at which our news media covers important economic matters is generally abysmal – focussing instead on trivia, click-bait and ‘gotcha’-type coverage.
      
      A better headline for this Unfair Pay issue recently would be ‘Labour doubles-down on screwing the futures of our young, unskilled and brown folk to give more power and money to their union mates’.
      
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      December 6, 2023 2:58pm
    - Swifty
      
      Honestly, there are times I think the likes of Michael Wood etc should be in jail for what he tried to do and would have done if not for an inconveniently timed general election.
      
      Using the power of the state to coerce, to force against their will, one group to give another group, a group you favour, money and advantages – because you find it politically advantageous to do so.
      
      I argue it is a corrupt practice. Labour had just so completely run out of ideas to enable improvements in our economy that all they were left with was naked state force.
      
      Naked state force to advantage one favoured group over different, unfavoured, group and to give the illusion of progress, of achievement, while giving the finger to the absolute certain negative consequences on our families and wider society.
      
      It’s Mugabe stuff. Idi Amin territory. Chavez carry on.
      
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      December 6, 2023 3:12pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Swifty
        These criminals were never interested in improving our economy.
        Their sole purpose was to destroy New Zealand .
        They should all be in jail.
        
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        December 6, 2023 4:45pm
- Jack5
  
  It’s old Labour-Left tactics.
  
  Remember the leaks used in the campaigns against Don Brash? Remember Hager the Horrible?
  
  The Coalition needs to talk to internet security advisers right away, and look at encrypting emails.
  
  Old names come up when you do a search on the Brash sabotage.
  
  Surprisingly, in Brash’s team, up comes the name of Matthew Hooton. So that’s where he began.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/654206/Police-knew-about-leaked-of-Brashs-emails
  
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  December 6, 2023 1:36pm
nathie

Yesterday I felt so ashamed of the actions of some of my fellow NZ’ers (or Aotearoans, if that’s your preference).

Whilst the right to peaceful protest is enshrined, I feel the Maori Party jumped the musket (ironically in more than one way).

Whilst their protest action was relatively well behaved the problem was their reasoning was at times inflammatory somewhat and misinformed.

Then we had the spectacle of former Maori Party official Ken Mair threatening to blockade Govt agencies in Wanganui on Dec 20 (I wonder if that includes the Police Station? That could be interesting for him). Suggest Ken Mair pulls his bloody head in and stop acting like a fool!

Now contrast all of this with today’s announcement that Kīngi Tūheitia is calling for a national hui (January 20) to discuss the coalition govt’s statements on the Treaty. Yes I know people here will deride this and that it will also be uncomfortable for the coalition govt but it is better to have dialogue to better understand the issues from both sides (especially if the Govt is invited to participate).

Perhaps this is something that the Maori Party could learn from? Dialogue first before nutting off?

After all they, of all Maori, are in a highly privileged position of being at the top table, that of Parliament. How about less theatrics and clown shows from the Maori Party, and actually engage with the democratic process that they are being generously paid by the taxpayer to participate in?

Perhaps the coalition govt could reach out for some dialogue too? And see whether the Maori Party are sincere (or just a bunch of unwilling radicals incapable of doing the best for everyone)?
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December 6, 2023 8:46am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Perhaps some government ministers should attend the planned hui.
  
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  December 6, 2023 9:10am
  - Cassandra
    
    Then I suggest Tuheita would be well advised to consult them before issuing his statement. If he really wants a dialogue then I’m sure Seymour will oblige, but on mutually agreed terms. Attending a Māori talkfest just to be abused is not going to work. Or be acceptable.
    
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    December 6, 2023 9:27am
    - Paulus
      
      Tuhetia is only top wallah to Tainui which is run by Panties Morgan.
      Many iwi cannot like or accept him in anything I am told.
      
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      December 6, 2023 1:28pm
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    Don’t downtick this just because it’s mma saying it. It would be a great idea for Government ministers to publicly offer to attend and speak at the hui, as long as proceedings are recorded. Either TPM refuses, in which case they show themselves to be impervious to dialogue and unwilling to listen, or they accept, in which case they either make sure the Ministers are able to speak (in the way that TPM MPs are when they attend Parliament), or they show themselves to be unable to participate in proper grown-up conversation.
    
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    December 6, 2023 9:30am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    The entire point of ACT’s policy is to have a grown up discussion about the principles of the Treaty.
    
    It’s also worth noting that almost everything being repealed was done WITHOUT any mandate over the last six years and is being repealed WITH a mandate. We should have been given the chance to discuss those policies when they were brought in (we were ignored) but now they expect us to have to get their permission to remove them?
    
    It is Labour, the Greens and TPM that are dangerously antidemocratic, NOT National, ACT and NZFirst (at the moment – NZFirst previously acted against their mandate but at the moment are following their promises).
    
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    December 6, 2023 9:41am
- surfing
  
  I was listening to a talk by some US politician several years back. He was explaining how entitlements can easily be given but cannot be taken away. He probably should have gone a bit further — once an entitlement is given then there is an expectation that it will be expanded over time.
  
  This is what is happening with Maori demands. National aren’t even backing off that much yet Maori are crying genocide, literally. It’s outrageous and we need to reset back to the original treaty of Waitangi. Not the re-imagined nonsense expansionary version.
  
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  December 6, 2023 9:14am
  - Ehlana
    
    That has always been a problem. Labour expands entitlements, which then become rights and these days are expected to expand continually, so that merely holding the status quo becomes racism and genocide and such like.
    
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    December 6, 2023 4:24pm
- greybeard
  
  Surely the place for any such dialogue is in Parliament.
  Isn’t that the whole point of the place ?
  
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  December 6, 2023 10:19am
- Philview
  
  TVNZ News last night said they were protesting against the new Government’s ‘Extreme’ policies. Interesting to see journalists mingling with protestors which contrasts sharply with another anti government protest I can think of.
  
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  December 6, 2023 11:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  TPM are just activists.
  
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  December 6, 2023 3:17pm
Maggie Pie

So tell us something we don’t know 🙁

After 6 years of the Ardern Labor Government, Auckland is now ranked as…..

“The least-safe city in Australasia”

https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/12/06/auckland-the-least-safe-city-in-australasia-new-report-says/
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December 6, 2023 8:46am
Swifty

The latest results of Labour’s ‘world-class’ state education monopoly:

https://tkr.ro/e/EPjmRidL4HrnWD3c

And further down the gurgler we go……

And just to rub salt into our wounds, the people responsible for this now sit in opposition lecturing us daily how things would be so much better if they were still in charge.

P.S. Will there be any accountability shown by those responsible for delivering primary and secondary education in this country? Any resignations? Any sackings? Any bonuses withheld? Any politicians retiring?

Hahahahahaha! Who am I kidding? It’ll be the opposite – with even more taxpayer money poured into this failing system.

If I was Hipkins I would be too embarrassed to go out in public.
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December 6, 2023 8:57am
Rusty

Today in NZ history 6th dec 1905 special votes were allowed for the first time in the general elections.

I didn’t know that it started 118 years ago.
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December 6, 2023 8:59am
Swifty

Exactly why are we not Number 1 in the world?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/504020/nz-records-worst-ever-pisa-international-test-results-amid-global-decline

Of course it would never, ever happen under Labour, we all know that, but perhaps this current government could set us a target of Number 1 within the next decade and let nothing, absolutely nothing, stand in their way.

It would be a revolution that NZers would be proud of and thankful for for generations to come.
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December 6, 2023 9:09am
- NothingLeft
  
  Labour clearly had an overarching agenda of making NZ ‘number 2’
  
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  December 6, 2023 11:10am
  - Swifty
    
    Everything Labour touches turns into Number 2s.
    
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    December 6, 2023 11:32am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Six times now. How long before the seventh?
      Can’t we just ban them?
      
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      December 6, 2023 3:21pm
Maggie Pie

And I see of lot of twitterati are now referring to Cindy as….

“That BlackRock Chick”

😀 😀 😀
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December 6, 2023 9:17am
- nathie
  
  Well at least the introductions will be on-point and easy to remember:
  
  “Hi my name is Cindy, I’m from Blackrock and I’m here to help”!!
  
  (Help, as in help you donate $billions to her or help you run a mile)? 😉
  
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  December 6, 2023 9:25am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Doesn’t appear she’s too popular in ‘Trudeau Country’ either. Goodness 🙁
    
    https://twitter.com/liz_churchill10/status/1732126340717912219
    
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    December 6, 2023 9:39am
- Notsofast
  
  We’ll get X closed down one way or other.
  
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  December 6, 2023 9:37am
surfing

The media need to stop airing the worlds of this despicable woman ….

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ruthless-empires-mother-claims-she-knows-who-killed-her-son/4RKX5LR2GBCG5EXVAZDPUWJH6Y/
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December 6, 2023 9:21am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Of course she knows.
  The issue is that she’s lying about it.
  
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  December 6, 2023 9:42am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Said it before, SOCKs.
    Cam Slater.
    
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    December 6, 2023 3:23pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Most people in the country have a fair idea of who killed him.
  
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  December 6, 2023 10:15am
  - I remember when
    
    Or at least would get it right with three guesses!
    
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    December 6, 2023 11:38am
  - Matt Long
    
    Yes, male white colonialism, it’s the villain everywhere.
    
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    December 6, 2023 1:34pm
Swifty

Let’s make Maori compulsory right through the primary and secondary curriculum!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/pisa-report-nz-school-students-performance-falling-in-maths-and-science/IRFO2WL2KNDABPJ2XA4CGNNJHQ/

That’ll fix things!

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December 6, 2023 9:30am
- MCōs
  
  Plenty of kids are bilingual
  
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  December 6, 2023 2:03pm
  - Swifty
    
    Whooooooosh!
    
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    December 6, 2023 2:43pm
  - Paul
    
    Plenty of Kids= are bilingual.
    = half of Kids speak 2 languages?
    one at home, another at school.
    Applies to many non-Māori. Your Point?
    
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    December 6, 2023 7:51pm
ClanMcleod

Cardiovascular diseases kill nearly 10,000 New Zealanders every year. What makes that even more tragic is that many of those deaths could be avoided entirely.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-front-page-heart-health-crisis-the-change-the-government-needs-to-make/WWFOQ2KC5JHN5GBTSYX462E5CA/

Maybe stopping jabbing people with experimental garbage could help?
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December 6, 2023 9:36am
- mikenmildagain
  
  NZ had no heart disease at all until 2020. All shown in data hidden by the ministry of health. True fact.
  
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  December 6, 2023 10:09am
- krazykiwi
  
  Dr Peter McCullough** explains that latest analysis shows Myocarditis now running at 25,000 per million and we’re still relatively early days. Pre Covid it was 4 in a million.
  
  That is a 625,000% increase.
  
  **Dr. McCullough is an internist, cardiologist, epidemiologist holding degrees from Baylor University, University of Texas Southwestern Medical School, University of Michigan, and Southern Methodist University. He manages common infectious diseases as well as the cardiovascular complications of both the viral infection and the injuries developing after the COVID-19 vaccine in Dallas TX, USA. He has broadly published on a range of topics in medicine with more than 1000 publications and over 685 citations in the National Library of Medicine
  
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  December 6, 2023 12:14pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Clearly not qualified enough according to david in Aus and our very own milky. //
    
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    December 6, 2023 4:12pm
Surely Knott

Restore Passenger Rail (RPR) vandalises luxury car store (again)

Media does not disclose the individual names of the vandals. Media does not quote or give any report from police. It’s not known if police are investigating.

Joseph Fullerton is the spokesperson and the media rewards him with a full article for his political marxist eco talking points.

RPR is not a legal entity on the charities website.

RPR’s website says “We are proud to be part of the A22 network, a collection of campaigns around the world working for urgent govt action on climate change through bold disruption of business as usual.”

The A22 network says its primary funder is the Climate Emergency Fund! Should A22 be charged for the damage? Isn’t the Climate Emergency fund government money? Are governments funding these vandals?
Are the vandals/activists funded or paid.

Who is the spokesperson Joseph Fullerton? A google shows a linkedin page for Joseph Fullerton of canterbury uni with no further info. Or there is a Joseph Fullerton in California who is “Chair of the Climate Action and Sustainability Committee. California Community Colleges. Jan 2020 ; Citizen’s Advisory Committee Member. Peninsula Clean Energy.” This seems like our guy. Is Joseph Fullerton the media’s spokesperson for the vandalism live in California?

Have these organisations been labelled terrorists by the NZ govt Threat Assesment Group like the parliamentary protestors were?
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December 6, 2023 9:43am
- kevn
  
  SK… The horrid has a pic of a perp in action with red spray paint. That will be an easy catch for police… surely.
  
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  December 6, 2023 9:59am
  - lifesgood
    
    Only if plod can be bothered. They might be too busy protecting the gangs.
    
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    December 6, 2023 11:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    And the red paint came from – and was paid for by…..
    
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    December 6, 2023 3:43pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  So these vandals can carry out criminal damage without being named, but a whistleblower who releases anonymised data in an effort to stop what he sees as the killing and maiming of many, many NZers, has his house surrounded, raided, is arrested and jailed and threatened with 7 years…..
  
  People can murder little babies and destroy the evidence, violent criminals are bailed at home and have name suppression.
  
  I think what’s happening is pretty self explanatory.
  
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  December 6, 2023 4:16pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  https://www.climateemergencyfund.org/a22
  
  Is a not for profit registered under US Tax law. Nothing to do with Government
  
  Umbrella group for a bunch of eco nazi campaigns in different countries including Restore Passenger Rail in NZ.
  
  The front page of their website indicates they are funded by private donations and they have a begging bowl at the front door of the site.
  
  But you can bet buried deep will be funding from the normal hard left billionaires like Soros…
  
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  December 6, 2023 4:58pm
Hugh Jarse

Can someone point me to the royal statement from the King of Huntly calling for his subjects to stop killing their children ?. Thanks in advance
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December 6, 2023 9:45am
- imalwaysright
  
  Hugh
  The Fresh Prince of Huntly is above minor matters.
  And the matter of minors.
  
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  December 6, 2023 12:15pm
Vinicius

Shane Jones NZ plans to take Te Pati Māori’s actions to the Speaker.

Jones is going to ask the new Speaker Gerry Brownlee if Te Pati Māori’s actions during the swearing in of MP’s in Parliament yesterday contravenes section 11 of the Constitution Act 1986.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/shane-jones-nz-first-mp-on-te-pati-maori-swearing-allegiance-to-te-tiriti-and-their-mokopuna-as-well-as-king-charles-iii/

Section 11.1 states:

“A member of Parliament shall not be permitted to sit or vote in the House of Representatives until that member has taken the Oath of Allegiance in the form prescribed in section 17 of the Oaths and Declarations Act 1957.”

https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1986/0114/latest/DLM94233.html

Being a bit contentious are non-Pakeha also allowed to speak etc. BEFORE being sworn in like TPM MP’s were yesterday and apparently make changes to the wording of the oath?
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December 6, 2023 9:50am
- rouppe
  
  I think their oaths ought to be rendered invalid by the Speaker.
  
  You can’t really pledge allegiance to two different things because when they conflict, which takes precedence?
  
  The oath should be prescribed language. Deviate, and it doesn’t count.
  
  If those oaths aren’t rendered invalid, then when a conflict arises, there’ll be arguments about “but I swore an oath to the Treaty and this is what that means for me.
  
  Prescribed language, including the King’s proper name, in its native language (have some respect for other cultures) or you’re out
  
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  December 6, 2023 2:07pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Rouppe
    Very good point.
    Hone isn’t referred to as Johnny and Tipene isn’t called Steve.
    Their sarcasm alone should void their oaths.
    
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    December 6, 2023 6:44pm
- sungsamning
  
  Go for it Shane.
  
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  December 6, 2023 7:50pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/shane-jones-shows-whats-needed-in-new-zealand-politics/
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December 6, 2023 9:52am
leoj

This is weird.

It takes maoris, part-maoris and miniscule-maoris such as Peters, Jones and Seymour to ask questions of the Maori Party’s fun and games over their allegiance to the crown oaths.

The world is indeed mad but Ti Parti Maori are the maddest.

Thank you Jim Bolger and MMP. Both a total disaster.
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December 6, 2023 10:02am
- MCōs
  
  You lost the MMP debate in two referendums
  For that matter Jim Bolger won multiple elections until Jenny Shipley came along
  
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  December 6, 2023 10:34am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Bolger knew way back then how to milk MMP.
    
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    December 6, 2023 3:47pm
Yvette

Treaty and Maori King’s Proclomation

In October 2022, ACT announced the referendum would ask whether voters approved of the Treaty Principles Act becoming law. Its three suggested clauses would state:

1 The New Zealand Government has the right to govern New Zealand.
2 The New Zealand Government will protect all New Zealanders’ authority over their land and other property
3 All New Zealanders are equal under the law, with the same rights and duties.
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-media-knives-flashing-for-luxon-s-government

And I would suggest adding –
4 The New Zealand Government is secular

If the ACT position is as simple as this, can legislation be prepared so the Maori King’s hui has specific legislation or a specific Government statement to address.

Otherwise the ‘hui’ will be as helpful as the Ardern “conversation” on Capital Gains Tax where she failed to provide a Government position to be discussed, leaving a void for the media and multiple nutters for fill in for her

Give the Maori King something specific to address or it will likely all be a fucking waste of time
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December 6, 2023 10:14am
- thirteenstars
  
  “…can legislation be prepared so the Maori King’s hui has specific legislation or a specific Government statement to address.”
  
  Won’t happen because National and probably NZF would like ACT’s principles legislation to quietly die. There’s no way they’ll put their name to any such statement for consideration by any such hui.
  
  Of course there’s nothing to stop ACT delivering it via a representative to the hui.
  
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  December 6, 2023 11:18am
kevn

Clan and kk…
https://dailysceptic.org/2023/12/05/kevin-mckernan-loses-entire-database-of-research-worth-200000-after-new-zealand-health-service-obtains-injunction-to-prevent-sharing-of-leaked-covid-vaccine-data/
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December 6, 2023 10:26am
- Zoro
  
  If the data was full of inaccuracies why bother to suppress it? And as the article states it is NZ taxpayer information..
  
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  December 6, 2023 11:31am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Suppressed to save arses from the DCM, and the DCM from ANY job!
    
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    December 6, 2023 4:04pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Zoro – it isn’t full of inaccuracies, it’s incomplete because he only had access to part of it. It’s still being studied by a number of data specialists.
    
    Voices For Freedom did a piece on it that explains it.
    
    https://www.voicesforfreedom.co.nz/blog/missing-data-explained/
    
    If the MoH really did believe that the whistleblower was misinterpreting the data, they would release it all to independent data analysts to thoroughly examine it. We would know within a week if the jabs were safe and effective or not.
    
    Pain in the arse that it’s taken nearly three years to work it out. The level of lies and cover up has been next level.
    
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    December 6, 2023 4:29pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Yes have been following this. McKernan is the first scientist to blow the whistle on DNA contamination of the Pfizer injectable junk. I dare say pressure to close his account was mounting long before the MoH data exposure.
  
  Lesson: Get a private-cloud NAS unit and host it at ones home, then use (for example) Cloudflare and a strong VPN. The so-called authorities are becoming more brazen in attacking anyone who questions the narrative, more so those who have solid evidence of official malfeasance.
  
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  December 6, 2023 12:05pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The data will be else ware where MEGA cannot get their grubby mitts on it (or can they?)
  From the start this did not pass the sniff test. Now it fucking reeks!
  Time to dismantle the Ministry of Health, surely they are not that powerful? Who is paying? Oh sorry, I know who.
  
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  December 6, 2023 4:03pm
Gussy Fink-Nottle

Wellington Mayor confirms that rumours about her ‘night out’ last week are “definitely rumours”.
That’s cleared that up then.
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December 6, 2023 10:35am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Do you know who I am:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5iEK-IEzw
  
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  December 6, 2023 4:22pm
Yvette

1 News, yesterday evening 6pm
About third shot into into Maiki Sherman’s video report, there is a man brandishing a long handled axe. Time stamp: 2:17

When does an axe become an offensive weapon if carried (or brandished) in public?
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December 6, 2023 10:47am
- Keith White
  
  Only when it is carried by people with too-low* melanocyte levels. And TPTB will decide that on a case by case basis, and / or retrospectively.
  
  *Low melanocyte counts can be bolstered and rendered Approved by face-scribbles, portable bone and mineral fish-hooks ‘n’ flatblade-whack’em accessories, and even Stetsons and top hats (I know, crazy!)
  
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  December 6, 2023 11:20am
  - lifesgood
    
    Oops, Keith, wait for it!
    
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    December 6, 2023 11:43am
I remember when

The latest figures being quoted on TV say that 16,000 have died in the Israel/Hamas (often misquoted as being Israel/Palestine) dispute.
Why do most sources suggest there are three groups involved in the fighting – Israeli, Hamas and Palestinian (all Gaza residents not clearly Hamas).
It is also suggested that 4,000 Hamas fighters are included in the death toll, one in four.
If these figures represent the true outcomes does it seem to confirm two likely facts.
Firstly, rather than Israeli attacks being indiscrimate are quite carefully selected.
Secondly, that the civilian deaths show a high correlation between positions of Hamas and the
Palestine population (hiding amongst).
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December 6, 2023 11:04am
- Paulus
  
  Didn’t a recent media vote come out to say that 78% of Palestinians were supporters of Hamas ?
  
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  December 6, 2023 1:34pm
  - MCōs
    
    How do you conduct a poll under those circumstances?
    Apart from that whatever their support in Gaza was a couple of months ago it’s bound to be more now.
    About the only person who’s support seems to have gone down precipitously in that area is Netanyahu
    
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    December 6, 2023 3:16pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You conduct a poll by asking the Palestinians.
      The fact that you will probably die means nothing.
      
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      December 6, 2023 4:34pm
herb1

Why have the news media felt the need to inform me , in the news segment, that the Governor Generals speech is written by the PMs speech writer.
They’ve never informed me this , under previous Labour Governments
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December 6, 2023 11:40am
- Ghost
  
  Sure they did. It’s always stated the governor general is reading out the prime ministers plans for the next 3 years
  
  Article
  
  The speech, which is penned by the Prime Minister’s office, reiterated much of Labour’s election manifesto
  
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  December 6, 2023 11:57am
- MCōs
  
  Circle the wagons.
  We’re all doomed!
  Are there no depths of depravity to which the news media won’t sink?
  
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  December 6, 2023 12:40pm
  - Keith White
    
    They do tend to bottom out at Marianas Trench equivalent; but that’s before they start digging.
    
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    December 6, 2023 1:10pm
    - Paul
      
      That Trench full of PET bottles and other garbage, the Media hysteria fits in quite well, down there.
      The bottom feeder audience, mainly 9 to 5 labor, do love garbage. Most of the voting electorate watch Television. They need it.
      
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      December 6, 2023 8:03pm
- lifesgood
  
  I noticed that and have never noticed it before. It was an attempt by the nasty left to belittle the speech by implying it was a useless speech because it came from Luxon in a round about way. ZB is gradually being infested by the left, IMO and even HDA is rapidly going left, sadly.
  
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  December 6, 2023 1:11pm
  - Eugene
    
    HDPA has indeed lost the plot now so sadly can’t listen to her any more. Someone might tell her that having a panel discussion is more interesting when it’s not just her and two other lefties agreeing with each other about the leftie approved talking points of the day. Found a good music station with no biased news or woke advertising for the evening commute which is much more pleasant.
    
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    December 6, 2023 1:49pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “ZB is gradually being infested by the left”
    Nah! No way, you are shitting me. Infested? Impossible!
    HDA going left? Nah! Stop telling me lies!
    
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    December 6, 2023 4:38pm
I remember when

Do the Ben Vanderkolk and Ruthless-Empire cases show the results of criminals frustrating the system.
If the criminals are prepared to support each other it becomes near impossible to achieve a conviction.
Efforts by the prosecution to improve their odds put them in danger of becoming criminals themselves.
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December 6, 2023 11:46am
- Notsofast
  
  Ben Van der Kolk engaged in the fake prosecutions of Ewen MacDonald and twice the fake prosecutions of Mark Lundy and continued to make false statements in the appeal court. The scoundrel will be called to account soon.
  So will a bunch of others including elite judges.
  
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  December 6, 2023 1:20pm
Maggie Pie

OK, first to admit I don’t know a lot about modern art.

But honestly, this looks like a load of old shit to me…..

https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1732150440773480574
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December 6, 2023 11:49am
- Ghost
  
  Close, I think it’s a toilet paper holder
  
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  December 6, 2023 11:52am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Takes some thinking for some Ghost!
    
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    December 6, 2023 4:48pm
    - Jethrod
      
      I think it is what you find on toilet paper!
      
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      December 6, 2023 9:03pm
- Lance
  
  One of the Monty Python’s crew favourite targets for open mockery was art critics.
  The same sort of art critics that hail this sort of crap as a deeply inspired juxstaposition of the intrinsic nature of modern society
  
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  December 6, 2023 12:34pm
- kevn
  
  Maggie… Good work if you can (hold your nose) and go get it. Someone will buy it.
  
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  December 6, 2023 12:38pm
- mandk
  
  Maggie, didn’t you know that, nowadays, the Turner Prize goes to the best piss take?
  
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  December 6, 2023 12:39pm
- Keith White
  
  I don’t know a lot about modern art either, but I betcha net-taxpayers are subsidizing this type of psychological jerking-off.
  
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  December 6, 2023 1:11pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Art auction explained for you Maggie Pie.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilWc9ryL7wc
  
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  December 6, 2023 4:46pm
- Paul
  
  Art in this country is a shell game gone sour at the moment, nothing will get what you paid for it.
  Divestment Art is De Rigor, Me thinks!
  
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  December 6, 2023 8:09pm
Ghost

Looking forward to finally seeing some decent representive for our area.

I’m honoured that Christopher Luxon has asked me to lead off the Address in Reply Debate today and make the first Maiden Speech in the 54th Parliament.
This is an enormous privilege afforded to very few, and I’m so proud to be able to fulfil this role for the Prime Minister. Speeches start from 2pm, you can watch them online or on Parliament TV. Link in the comments.

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December 6, 2023 12:33pm
- MCōs
  
  When I was a kid in Timaru the local MP was Clyde Carr, Lab, who held the seat for 33yrs, followed by Sir Basil Arthur, Lab, who held the seat for the next 23yrs and then Maurice McTigue, Nat, for a paltry 9yrs & Jim Sutton, Lab, for one term until the seat was terminated.
  Four MPs over the space of 65yrs
  Since MMP Timaru has been represented by six MPs including the disgraced Andrew Falloon
  
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  December 6, 2023 1:24pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    The Southern Maori seat has been represented by the same family until this Parliament for 75 years. The Tirikatene family and Rino is still there as a list MP.
    
    Nearest NZ has come to a UK Rotten Borough.
    
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    December 6, 2023 2:24pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Seems he has given Labour and Maori Party folk some food for thought.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/left-doesnt-own-poor-maori-national-mp-james-meagers-revealing-and-personal-maiden-statement/UGGHIFBM3NH3XLWICM7BIBKJWA/
  
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  December 6, 2023 2:43pm
  - Ghost
    
    I thought it was a very good speech.
    
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    December 6, 2023 2:58pm
Maggie Pie

Hmmm. Might have to tune into QT today.

According to Jason Walls on ZB, Shane Jones was going to have a word with Mr Speaker about the way Rawiri translated his Oath of Allegiance.
Sounds like he may have referred to old-fat-fingers as …’King Rat’ 🙁

As Shane said, “If it’s good enough for him and Winston to recite the oath in English, it’s good enough for Rawiri and the rest of them to do the same”.

And must say all of our Maori frends that we’ve spoken to about it, have told us they were totally embarrassed at the undignified antics of TMP in the House yesterday as well.
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December 6, 2023 12:49pm
- septic skeptic
  
  My recollection is that Jones took his oath in Te Reo. What he said was “if it’s good enough for Winston and me to take the oath in accordance with the letter of the law…”
  That’s the main point. The law is prescriptive and everyone else avoided ad libbing. At least I never heard an English speaker refer to King Big Ears or King Tampon! It’s not the time and place for jokes and jokes.
  
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  December 6, 2023 12:57pm
  - Paulus
    
    English is not an Official Language in New Zealand.
    Only Sign and Maori currently.
    
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    December 6, 2023 1:36pm
    - rouppe
      
      So what. There is a prescribed version of the oath in English and one in Te Reo.
      
      Follow it or fuck off.
      
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      December 6, 2023 2:12pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      So why did the cowboy not do his Oath in sign, instead of the grandstanding?
      Show pony – look at me!!
      
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      December 6, 2023 4:56pm
    - JimBobJoe
      
      It is an official language its just not named as an official language in legislation – Maori and sign were official recognised to give them government backing.
      
      Why is an official language – because of customary usage as the language of all NZ for official business since 1840 as the language of the Crown, including the English version of the Treaty. See every Act of Parliament since it was established in NZ
      
      Should it be officially recognised in an Act of Parliament – I say yes because I am so tired of Maori is an official language and English isnt trope
      
      Didnt G Edgeler do a better post on why English is an official language in NZ at some stage in the comments here on Kiwiblog?
      
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      December 6, 2023 5:24pm
- kevn
  
  Maggie… Either way the prick should be emptied out. Or stop his pay.
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12828087/Maori-MPs-swear-allegiance-King-Skin-Rash-swipe-Charles-opening-New-Zealand-parliament.html
  
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  December 6, 2023 1:13pm
  - Swifty
    
    Maori who support this behaviour will no doubt have similarly no trouble if other New Zealanders mock, insult and deride the King of Huntly.
    
    Fair’s fair and all that.
    
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    December 6, 2023 1:22pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Ah, no! That would be “racist!”
      No sarc!
      
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      December 6, 2023 4:58pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    THX kev…I thort Jonesie said Rat but must have been ‘Rash’.
    He can slur his words a wee bit sometimes.
    
    And you’re right of course. What possible benefit is there having them in parliament? And the same with all those Green bludgers.
    
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    December 6, 2023 1:31pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      They are in Parliament to keep the new Government honest.
      Honestly, they are!
      
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      December 6, 2023 5:00pm
- cmm
  
  “And must say all of our Maori frends that we’ve spoken to about it, have told us they were totally embarrassed ”
  
  Will enough get sufficiently embarrassed to change the outcome next election?
  
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  December 6, 2023 3:25pm
slightlyrighty

Watching Chloe Swarbrick’s reactions during the speach from the throne, I think Elizabeth Kerekere may have been on the money with her assessment of her!
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December 6, 2023 12:53pm
- MCōs
  
  What was her reaction?
  I watched the start and dozed off. I expect she didn’t have that luxury.
  No matter which party(s) are in power these speeches are entirely predictable and dull as dish water
  
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  December 6, 2023 1:34pm
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Let’s just say she would be useless at Poker
    
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    December 6, 2023 2:32pm
Tom Hunter

The Babylon Bee strikes hard.

Bill Cosby Joins Hamas So Feminists Will Stop Condemning Him For Rape
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December 6, 2023 1:41pm
- All_on_Red
  
  This comment during a Press Conference from US State Department Spokesperson Mathew Miller is revealing
  ‘@StateDeptSpox: “It seems one of the reasons they (Hamas) don’t want to turn (Israeli) women over that they’ve been holding hostage… is they don’t want these women to be able to talk about what happened to them during their time in custody”
  https://hotair.com/tree-hugging-sister/2023/12/04/wait-whut-was-that-reason-we-didnt-get-all-the-female-hostages-back-from-hamas-again-n596608
  
  There are still 17 women hostages- all young
  #Hamas Rapists
  
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  December 6, 2023 2:15pm
  - KH
    
    Yet another dodgy site there Red ? We worry for you. No I did not look at it for good reason.
    Any way I will leave you alone for a while. I’m in the ME and might even gaze over at Gaza soon.
    You called me a JH which was incorrect and followed up with your shrill name calling on a number of occasions. You are quite talented at the nasty.
    I am happy to hear your apology, fulsome and abject it must be. Also especially to my family for a reason you might be starting to work out. And apology to the many others for your similar abuse. It will be hard for you.
    I am going to be busy for a while, so I might miss your apology. Happy to have you point it out on my later return in 2023.
    
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    December 6, 2023 3:44pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Hello Trigger, still stalking and suffering from projection I see
      Did you miss this part?
      ‘This comment during a Press Conference from US State Department Spokesperson Mathew Miller’
      You think a State department spokesman is a ‘dodgy website’?
      I’m starting to think you’re a bit thick
      Now fetch Trigger, fetch
      Hilarious
      
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      December 6, 2023 6:06pm
      - KH
        
        You try to divert attention from your name calling. Not going to let it happen.
        You get it wrong, name call and abuse.
        Multiple people, multiple times.
        Time to stop. Time to apologise.
        
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        December 6, 2023 10:10pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Like ISIS they are simply following the model of the perfect man Mohammed who had sex with at least 60 women – mostly captive women, and massacred thousands. Safiyya bint Huyayy from Khaybar, was a Jewish woman raped by Mohammed after he killed her father and husband.
    
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    December 6, 2023 4:09pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyzk4T_iPfE
Judge Overturns Election Result in Louisiana.
Yet another case of a judge throwing out an election because of fraud. Legacy media tells us this *never happens* [15:16]
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December 6, 2023 1:48pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDawO2BCN90
David Seymour on his first week in government and protests.
Heres what David Seymour, and the ACT team think. Te Parti Racist did take the oath. No oath, no seat on the gravy train. Disruptive ‘protests’ don’t win friends, and influence people. [6:09]
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December 6, 2023 1:48pm
Maggie Pie

I can sort of relate to this. A friend took me there once 🙁

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1732185565993279656
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December 6, 2023 1:51pm
Swifty

New Zealanders, and especially Nat, ACT and NZF politicians, would be very foolish to ever get into conversations or debates over whether ‘X’ (groups or individuals) deserve ‘Y’ (almost always taxpayer money) because they will almost always lose. They will be doomed from the outset as the Left excel in guilt-tripping people into an enlargement of state favours and largess.

The question should always be:

1. What are the reasons you would seek to deprive New Zealand families the ability to feed their kids by taking this money from them in order to give it to ‘X’, or

2. If we give this taxpayer money to ‘X’ what is the opportunity cost we pay by not instead giving that money to A or B or C? With A, B and C being cancer drugs, heart surgeries, home wheelchair access for disabled kids etc.

Let’s hear what the Left have to say then.

https://tkr.ro/e/EPlkXJCpCrY09NY4

If I was National I would cut hundreds and hundreds and hundred of millions of dollars of low-value spending annually from current budgets and ringfence these savings to be immediately plowed into Pharmac and hospital waiting lists etc.

Let’s hear the Left then winge to Kiwis about using that money to pay already well-paid civil servants thousands of dollars extra for Maori language proficiency instead.
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December 6, 2023 2:39pm
- cmm
  
  Yup, people forget that hand outs to Maori/Journalists/tech sector come from two places, and two places only:
  1) Taxing less preferred people (white people/nurses/bakers) more.
  2) Borrowing more. ie. taxing future generations.
  
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  December 6, 2023 3:21pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    3) Taxing the “Net” Taxpayer.
    Public Sector employees do not pay Tax!
    If you get paid from the Govt, then the Govt gets the money from the Net Taxpayer.
    3, 2, 1, here we go!
    
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    December 6, 2023 6:04pm
EverlastingFire

The MSM deflecting from Tori Whanau’s drinking problem as a “wider NZ problem” is a joke. This is the mayor of a big city with a lot of problems…
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December 6, 2023 2:49pm
- MCōs
  
  I was casually watching the MPs being sworn in yesterday and who should pop up, but Andy Foster, NZF, prev a Nat and one term mayor of Wellington
  BTW
  At a population a bit over 200k Wellington is hardly a big city. Some cricket grounds in India hold more people if you include the ground staff.
  
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  December 6, 2023 3:37pm
cmm

I was reading the shocking report in stuff about falling school performance.

This links to a really spun article written in 2019 that really tries hard to make an abysmal performance sound good.

The large gender reading gap has narrowed. Narrowing gender gaps are good. Right?

Well it depends on how it has been achieved. Reading for both boys and girls is down. Girls read more than boys and their reading level has dropped much more. Therefore the gender gap has reduced.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/117890945/new-zealand-topend-in-oecds-latest-pisa-report-but-drop-in-achievements-worrying

But now National is responsible, so it is perfectly OK to report that NZ pupils have had their worst PISA results ever.

18% failed to even achieve the low benchmark (Australia only 10%) and 6% achieved the high benchmark (Singapore 51% achieved the high benchmark).

OK, I was good at maths (getting 96% would be a very bad day for me) but I also did a lot of coaching of kids who were sub-average. I am shocked that kids are not getting at least 70% for these pretty basic.

Maths: Year 9 students, intermediate benchmark

On Thursday, the lowest temperature in City X was 6 degrees C and the lowest temperature in City Y was -3 degrees C. What was the difference between the lowest temperatures in the cities?

Answer: 9 degrees C.

Only 69% of NZ kids got that right. Really?

Science: Year 9 students, intermediate benchmark

Show whether each symbol or formula represents an element or compound.

O
K
H2SO4
NH3
CH4
Mg

Less than half of NZ kids could get that right.

I am beyond shocked.
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December 6, 2023 3:06pm
- KH
  
  Wrong downtick sorry.
  
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  December 6, 2023 3:46pm
Keith White

By way of background/brief explanation why I feel somewhat qualified to make the following assertions:

Over a number of decades, my career has taken me to six continents. On four of those I have been sadly privileged to attend to people in the aftermath of man-made and natural disasters, including the absolute biggest ever – and please never again – the Christmas Day tsunami.

Sometimes there were only tens of casualties but they were horrific – usually bombs, also air crashes. Sometimes there were thousands of casualties, of which I only dealt with a fraction – usually volcanic eruptions, earthquakes etc.

I won’t speak about the millions affected by the tsunami, except that in the very very limited location where I was working, it is the only time I’ve seen in four decades, mass burials.

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There is a point, and the point is – it is simply impossible to cremate/inter people in their thousands, or even hundreds, unseen.

It’s possible for an earthquake to bury people under the rubble, of course; but as you will have all seen on TV, everybody congregates to try and get them out to recover survivors and weep for and bury their dead.

So: Hamas is claiming 10-15,000 dead due to Israeli ground- and air-strikes. Where are the burials? Especially as their religion requires that Muslims are always buried, never cremated. It is a Koranic requirement that “the body be ritually washed and draped before burial, which should be as soon as possible after death”. and for example, in a structured and orderly place like Singapore, if a Muslim patient dies, but wishes to be buried back home in say Indonesia or Thailand, the authorities will expedite the whole medical, colonial and logistics post-mortem processes to enable it to happen by sundown of the day after death. Because that’s the religion’s demand.

I can’t see there can be any doubt that there have been civilians killed or severely injured who later died, as a result of military action taken by Israel against the butchers of 7 October.

And euphemistically-called “collateral damage” is inevitable when the terrorists don’t abide by the rules of war, and position themselves behind, underneath and next to human beings – men, women and children – who they hope will shield them from retribution. Indeed, I won’t repeat it here, but Hamas leaders have said those people are martyrs for the cause. Not exactly as if they got informed consent…

Israel is losing blood and money trying not to kill those shields. Yet here in New Zealand and other countries, many are blaming Israel for everything and (a) believing everything Hamas says while (b) ignoring the evidence of their own eyes.

Yet we must ask the question: where is the evidence of ~15,000 dead Muslims either buried, or left unburied, if Hamas’ claims are correct?

(As of 1 December, the Gaza Health Ministry ‘reported’ that at least 15,000 Palestinians (including 6,150 children) have been killed.)

I used to think we were heading for Weimar: Mk II on the basis of financial implosion. Now I think we are heading for Weimar: The Sequel with added Judenfrei emphasis.

We’re being lied to, of course.

(Oh, dear downtickers – please don’t trip over your own feet rushing to react, ’cause one of my ex-colleagues will have to triage, examine and image you. They have enough else to do. Thank you for your understanding).
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December 6, 2023 3:09pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  The last report I saw on Aljaz was the ‘Hamas-Health-Ministry’ providing the figure of 15,691 Palestinians killed.
  
  When asked how many hostages they were still holding, the reply was …..about 125.
  
  Hmmm.
  
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  December 6, 2023 4:02pm
- kevn
  
  Keith… Maybe the tunnels are burial sites?
  
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  December 6, 2023 4:20pm
  - Keith White
    
    That is possible; ‘saff’-burials (interring multiple bodies of the Faithful, up to 10 at a time, in a common plot, and saying one prayer) has been used before, most recently in the UK due to Covid. But it is very rare. AFAIK.
    
    The logistics of retrieving, transporting and interring the remains of 15,000 people are very, very daunting indeed. I can say that doing mass. cas. RMRs ((re)moving mortal remains) has a serious logistics & personnel footprint that is no way invisible.
    
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    December 6, 2023 4:31pm
  - Paul
    
    Only for a few hours until the stench permeates the new Human Morgue, are these Tunnels then usable?.
    Think, Man.
    
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    December 6, 2023 8:36pm
- Paul
  
  You are correct. Your voice of reason is both profound and evidential.
  Our call for a logical debate is confined to the few that listen.
  Keith, the vast unwashed cannot be reasoned with. Reason is not within their abilities.
  
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  December 6, 2023 8:29pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/133405462/fisherman-who-tied-geospatial-position-system-to-buoys-has-vessel-forfeited-and-fined-20000

I googled this person as I thought it was an interesting article.

And this came up:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/2414742/Judge-allows-fisherman-to-keep-boat

Then this !

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/skipper-making-tea-at-time-of-fatal-crash/O5F6XIER4GBI4GWTSFURVIY52Q/

So this bloke has history. But still has a fishing licence.

Maybe he knows all the right people.
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December 6, 2023 3:31pm
Jack5

Stuff and the State’s Red Radio continue the unprecedented boost of the losing party after the general election.

Hipkins, the loser, is given the media floor constantly.

How long before Stuff runs out of money? January is a difficult time for news media, with advertising drying up after the Christmas retail boom.

February might be crunch time.
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December 6, 2023 3:43pm
- Jack5
  
  Karl du Fresne on the media’s performance since the election:
  
  https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2023/12/a-massive-gesture-of-contempt-for-voters.html
  
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  December 6, 2023 4:59pm
Maggie Pie

Unfortunately, we had to sit thru Chippies pathetic hi-pitched whine while waiting for the new PM to deliver his brilliant inspirational address in reply.

After listening to Hipkin’s speaking, my partner said he wouldn’t mind betting he’s had voice-coaching from Shaneen Lal. Either that, or spent too much time in Petone’s Backcourt Bar.

Just saying.
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December 6, 2023 3:46pm
- Ghost
  
  Hipkins spoke? Weird, for some reason when he stood up, as well as they silly person now speaking my tv went mute.
  
  But I’m very good at lip reading apparently the green mp is talking about going out for a drink with the mayor?
  
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  December 6, 2023 3:53pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I watched Hipkins. He boasted about his Government’s record of record spending on health and education.
    
    He is still in total denial. He thinks that spending money is an achievement.
    
    It is like a CE running a failing company. He then tells the Board that he can’t understand because the company’s expenses have never been higher.
    
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    December 6, 2023 4:14pm
    - Swifty
      
      What else can he say?
      
      Seriously.
      
      Given that educational results went backwards under his leadership, all he can do is talk about the ‘investments’ his government made and hint that this spending will have a payback just a little further down the track.
      
      That’s if we voted them back in of course.
      
      Now that they’ve been booted out, all those bets are off. So when they next come in it will be all about ‘rebuilding’ after National’s years of neglect.
      
      Rinse and repeat.
      
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      December 6, 2023 6:22pm
- MCōs
  
  Apart from some of the maiden speeches these set piece spiels are less than inspirational
  
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  December 6, 2023 3:55pm
MCōs

https://x.com/maxui/status/1732238847860211861?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
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December 6, 2023 4:27pm
Ghost

Well, Winston sure is entertaining
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December 6, 2023 4:39pm
kevn

A new type of conversation…
https://ysb.co.nz/something-every-nz-person-should-read/
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December 6, 2023 4:43pm
Yvette

Governor-General’s Speech

SPEAKER: After Her Excellency the Governor-General made a speech to the House in the Legislative Council Chamber today, she handed me the text of the speech, and I now lay this on the Table of the House.

Karanga ki te rangi
Karanga ki te whenua
Karanga ki ngā pū ngahere
Karanga ki ngā maunga kōrero
Karanga ki ngā wai e tere nei.
E ngā rangatira, e ngā mema Pāremata, e ngā tāngata katoa o Aotearoa, ka nui ngā mihi matakoakoa ki a koutou katoa. Kia ora.
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Google Translate –

Call to heaven
Call to earth
Call the bush guns
Call to the mountains of stories
Call to the rushing waters.
Ladies and Gentlemen, Members of Parliament and all the people of New Zealand, thank you very much. Hello.

Nature religions include indigenous religions practiced in various parts of the world by cultures who consider the environment to be imbued with spirits and other sacred entities. It also includes modern Pagan faiths, which are primarily concentrated in Europe and North America.

Government should be secular

A modern definition, provided by scholar Jean Baubérot, sees secularism made up of three parts: separation of religious institutions from the institutions of the state and no domination of the political sphere by religious institutions; freedom of thought, conscience, and religion for all; and no state discrimination … or exceptionalism
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December 6, 2023 4:47pm
Maggie Pie

Does anyone know is the government is going to appoint a Race Relations Commissioner?

I hear Meng is available and mite even tip in a free Electorate Office for Dana.
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December 6, 2023 6:21pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/301021927/dunedin-underwear-thief-strikes-again–this-time-in-gisborne
I didn’t realise that Gisborne people actually used underwear.
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December 6, 2023 7:26pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  How do you guys support your pumpkins then?
  
  https://www.reddit.com/r/vegetablegardening/comments/vrf93m/how_do_you_guys_support_heavy_hanging_pumpkins/
  
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  December 6, 2023 8:50pm
Swifty

Winston’s speech in full:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KJafGRNvJwg

He gets stuck in.
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December 6, 2023 7:51pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Thank you Swifty. Though I am not a fan of Winston, I listened to his speech with attention and agree with every word he said. Thank God, Luxon didn’t rule him out, I am so glad he is inside the tent rather than outside and pissing on it!!! Go Winston give hell to the bribed up media.
  
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  December 6, 2023 9:22pm
Ghost

Ouch, someone might have to do their job, or piss off

Police Minister Mark Mitchell has sent a letter to Police Commissioner Andrew Coster setting out his expectations.

Mitchell said he had met with the Commissioner and said he expected Coster to “focus on core policing with a back-to-basics approach”.

Article

Ministerial letter of expectations for Commissioner of Police
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