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Warren

You have to laugh at the hypocritical standards of the media and the circus about Winston Peter’s of bias and bribery comments that he made.
The media and their staff are going all out to have him disciplined and reprimanded whilst trying to make out Christopher Luxon is weak and can’t control him for his outbursts of what many in the public believe is the truth.
If you want to see double standards from our media this is a great example, the same media outlets have allowed their own Journalists to bad mouth Christopher Luxon the Prime Minister for more than a year now before National won the right to form a Coalition Government after the General Election on October 14th 2013, and still now after the Government was formed.
Here is some great examples for my argument Jenna Lynch and Lloyd Burr from Newshub have been bad mouthing the Government and Prime Minister Christopher Luxon since well before the Government was formed ,Simon Dallow and Maiki Sherman from One News and Tova O’Brien from Stuff have done the same with also distorting the facts in most articles and have they been disciplined for their outbursts Political bias that they have said or written.
Here is a example from Maili Sherman over the political debate between Christopher Luxon and Chri Hipkins National against Labour , after the debate the panel gave their opinion on who that thought won the contest and when it came to who she voted her reply was oh I can’t vote against Chris he is my friend so we will call it a draw in case you don’t know Chris was the current Prime Minister and if that is not bias what is.
Have you ever seen anyone the above names been called out and disciplined by their employers, no but they are forever calling for the Government and Prime Minister to hold others to accountant if this is not bias what the hell would you call it as it is arrogant and disceitful from people that don’t like the truth.
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November 30, 2023 8:01am
- Jack5
  
  The mainstream media are openly at war with the Government for the first time in NZ’s history, says Karl du Fresne, a former editor of the Wellington daily, “The Dominion”.
  
  https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-medias-war-on-new-government.html
  
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  November 30, 2023 7:32pm
- Beach Haven expat
  
  They did it with Peters over the mosque shooting and Ardern’s untrue statement. This is exactly the same.
  We also Labour admitting the Treaty provision shouldn’t have been there while then having a go at him.
  Signing up to a financial agreement which binds you editorially to a certain position is against journalistic ethics. And I say this as a hack for 34 years.
  
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  November 30, 2023 11:38pm
Benedict Yu

I don’t know much about Simon Watts, the new Climate Change Minister. He seems to have kept a low profile.

He has confirmed that he is attending the United Nations Climate Change meeting in Dubai, which begins tomorrow. Incredibly, he has decided to take James Shaw with him. Why? 🤯 and why did Chris Luxon agree to it?

“Luxon confirmed Cabinet approved travel for new climate minister Simon Watts and former climate minister, Green Party co-leader James Shaw, to attend the United Nations Climate Change Conference (COP28).”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133372388/5-things-we-learnt-from-christopher-luxons-first-postcabinet-presser

The new Minister has all the resources of MFAT and MfE available to help him navigate the conference. Based on previous conferences, New Zealand will have a delegation of between 10 and 15 officials accompanying the Minister. He should not need James Shaw. This is a very bad decision.
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November 30, 2023 8:01am
- cmm
  
  As a general principle, I think the idea of taking members of all parties to conferences, or having them in ministerial positions, is the right thing to do.
  
  In other words take the best MPs and put them in positions no matter what party they are from.
  
  If you really, really, believe in Climate Twaddle then Shaw is probably the best we have in the land.
  
  If you look closely enough you will probably find that James Shaw and Simon Watts are soul mates. I doubt we’re going to see any real change of direction in NZ policies.
  
  I really, really, hope I am wrong on that, but I doubt it.
  
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  November 30, 2023 8:08am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    When James Shaw was Climate Change Minister he would never have contemplated taking Simon Watts along to these UNFCCC conferences.
    
    James Shaw has condemned the Government’s decision to reverse the oil and gas exploration ban. I guarantee that Simon Watts will be questioned about that at the conference.
    
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    November 30, 2023 8:17am
    - cmm
      
      “When James Shaw was Climate Change Minister he would never have contemplated taking Simon Watts along to these UNFCCC conferences.”
      
      That is true, but tit-for-tat is a childish game. Need to break the cycle.
      
      Bribing Shaw with conferences might make him shut up about oil and gas. However I suspect that Simon Watts agrees with Shaw on this. Again, I hope I am wrong on this.
      
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      November 30, 2023 8:22am
      - peterwn
        
        I think it is a good political move on the Government’s part. Chris Luxon might require Greens support on the odd issue if Winston chooses to play up.
        
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        November 30, 2023 9:25am
      - leoj
        
        Playing nice with a party that hates you is dumb.
        
        The toxic Greens will just a soon stick a knife into National/ACT/NZF.
        
        Luxon’s actions are soft.
        
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        November 30, 2023 10:42am
      - Bullion
        
        Woah. Back the truck up.
        
        It’s been pretty common practice for Govt and opposition MP to attend COP.
        
        Here are the two most recent examples:
        Nat MP Scott Simpson, then opposition Climate Change spokesperson, attended COP27.
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018867385/national-party-climate-change-spokesperson-at-cop27
        
        Stuart Smith was invited to attend COP26 but declined due to Covid and taking up MIQ spots (fair enough)
        
        Smith, as Opposition spokesperson for climate change, had also been invited as part of a long-standing practice started under the previous National Government.
        
        Smith has declined the invitation.
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-climate-change-minister-james-shaw-taking-nine-staff-to-glasgow-scotland-for-cop26-talks/XW7DYQHJRWZTWA3D6IGIS3JOGU/
        
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        November 30, 2023 12:01pm
      - peterwn
        
        leoj –
        Re ‘Playing nice with a party that hates you is dumb.’ Chris Luxon and co need to ‘Keep your friends close; keep your enemies closer.’
        
        Mods – I did not mean to ‘report leoj – my apologies.
        
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        November 30, 2023 2:31pm
    - Paulus
      
      We voted for change and this is one good example.
      
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      November 30, 2023 8:23am
    - Colville
      
      You think he is going to get questioned about drilling for oil and gas?? really..??
      
      The conference is held in Dubai…..
      
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      November 30, 2023 8:50am
    - Beach Haven expat
      
      Shaw was first out the blocks attacking the Govt over its climate change policy and, I think, threatening either legal action or, more probably, a strongly worded online petition.
      Why even give him the credibility of attending?
      
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      November 30, 2023 11:40pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    If Shaw is the best we have then NZ is a Climate change joke.
    Cut dairy herds because cows fart. Install solar panels and wind turbines that last for 20 to 30 years (no shit) Damn the dam cried the fantail – or something.
    
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    November 30, 2023 8:19am
    - Rusty
      
      @Steve
      
      John Hanlon song?
      
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      November 30, 2023 8:29am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yes, that’s his name!
        At 3rd form High School he came for a chat to our class. He explained a bit about his crazy green ideas. He the said “if anyone does not want to listen, fine, you are free to leave.” Over half the class moved out!
        
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        November 30, 2023 10:36am
    - cmm
      
      Yup it is a joke. And the joke is still on us.
      
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      November 30, 2023 8:29am
      - kowtow
        
        And the huge expenses are on us too.
        
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        November 30, 2023 8:38am
    - MCōs
      
      “Cut dairy herds because cows fart”
      
      It’s not the farting that’s the problem. It’s the belching.
      
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      November 30, 2023 10:06am
      - Don Beckett
        
        But it’s not a problem.
        
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        November 30, 2023 10:36am
  - Graeme Hall
    
    Shaw – the “Best in the land?”. Really? Shaw behaved like Stalin & sacked his only two climate change experts who were MP’s in the Greens when they objected to having a fraudster as co-leader. After it was proven beyond doubt & she was “let go” he refused to let them back. I find him totally untrustworthy as his claimed academic credentials prove. Just another fraud.
    
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    November 30, 2023 2:42pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Would be nice to know what the ten/fifteen officials accompanying Simon Watts will contribute to his efforts.
  
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  November 30, 2023 8:09am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    The Minister is only there for a few days. The officials attend hundreds of committee meetings hammering out the details of policy.
    
    There are two streams. A “policy stream” and a “science stream”. The New Zealand delegation is tiny. I last attended a conference nearly 20 years ago. The USA and EU delegations were about 200 officials.
    
    You might think that it is all a waste of time. However those New Zealand officials will be flat out for 14 hours a day Monday through Saturday.
    
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    November 30, 2023 9:18am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      BY – they may be ‘flat out’, I’d really like to know what it is they actually achieve.
      
      I’m all about ‘hard work’, but the key thing is the cost/benefit. We seem to have lost sight of that as a country. I cannot imagine what these people will achieve that is of any benefit to NZ. Particularly when there is zero evidence that the climate is actually an issue, other than in many ideologue’s heads.
      
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      November 30, 2023 9:56am
      - gravedodger
        
        Yes Clan “Hard work” can be and often is a total wasted effort if being expended on rubbish policy.
        There needs to be a fresh start debate on the actual effect human endeavour is having on causing the slow warming of the planet since the last Ice Age.
        Ms Maureen Pugh was not a lone voice in asking the question that incurred what many see as the blinkered acceptance of the current Prime Minister around fossil fuel use that has lifted many millions from abject poverty.
        Sadly he will not even give such reactionary thought a moment of time and will continue to put billions on a bonfire.
        
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        November 30, 2023 11:21am
      - Ian Boag
        
        zero evidence that the climate is actually an issue
        
        This is the “business as usual” approach – we might get a bit warmer and have a bit more CO2 but there’s really no reason to worry. No reason to suppose anything will change because it hasn’t really in the last few hundred years. Looking back over our shoulders the road behind us looks fine.
        
        There are serious scientists pointing some of the climate risks from our present course of action. eg Melting of the Siberian permafrost – which is happening – will generate a serious methane fart. Which will warn things more which will generate more methane ….
        
        The “business as usual” model airily dismisses the notion of tipping points. If we hit one there is generally no way back. Warming plus aerosols might turn off the Indian monsoon bur why should we care if a few billion brown folk starve?
        
        There is history to support that idea that the climate can be an angry beast when there are external forcings. The Sahara was once a green and verdant place. Putting an extra 200 billion tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere qualifies as fairly significant forcing. If the ocean slowly acidifies from this there will be consequences and no way back. If (when) the oceans warm some more we can expect more intense hurricanes and typhoons.
        
        It might well be that eg slowing down the Gulf Stream and chilling Europe doesn’t matter.
        
        We just have the one planet and I guess it comes down to how lucky you feel ….
        
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        November 30, 2023 6:32pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Actually that’s not the “business as usual” approach
        We are told BAU means 3-5 C rise in temp
        (RCP 8.5)
        Lots of nonsense in your post which I really cant be bothered fisking.
        You need better sources
        One thing is certain
        Another Ice Age is coming
        Oh, and according to Nasa the deserts in the North of Africa and India etc are Greening
        
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        November 30, 2023 8:09pm
    - kowtow
      
      Oh come on .
      
      All they’ll ‘achieve’ is keeping their budget’s up , off the back of the long suffering , ever poorer taxpayer.
      
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      November 30, 2023 9:58am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        That was not my experience.
        
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        November 30, 2023 10:30am
    - mawm
      
      The “science stream” will have very little to do.
      
      BTW the weekly news letter from Muriel Newman has praised the 3 amigos but has also highlighted how this government is going to fail New Zealand over the climate change scam.
      
      But while the coalition agreements contain vast numbers of welcome changes, one area where all parties appear to have let New Zealand down is climate change.
      
      The country desperately needs agriculture to flourish, yet in committing to Labour’s radical target to “Deliver Net Zero by 2050”, the coalition appears to have turned its back on farmers in order to appease environmental interests and pursue a woke global warming agenda.
      
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      November 30, 2023 10:57am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        https://www.nzcpr.com/coalition-deals/
        
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        November 30, 2023 1:23pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Addendum…
  
  In November 2017 the equivalent conference was in Bonn. James Shaw was the new Climate Change Minister.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/shaw-to-un-conference-nz-now-a-leader-in-climate-change/UFF3J7UXR5PNPXEZ5EAL7VDU2M/
  
  James Shaw attended the meeting with great fanfare. Do you think that he took along Paula Bennet, the outgoing Climate Change Minister in the outgoing National Government? Of course he didn’t.
  
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  November 30, 2023 8:09am
  - G152
    
    So tell me just how these people get to these conferences and scream about banning the very technologt that got them there and runs the hotel they are living in.
    Or as Kermit sang “It isn’t easy being green”
    
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    November 30, 2023 8:18am
  - MCōs
    
    Maybe Paula Bennet wasn’t interested in hanging out with James Shaw.
    
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    November 30, 2023 8:40am
    - pdm
      
      Don’t blame her – would you want to MCos.
      
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      November 30, 2023 9:08am
  - Steve Todd
    
    Do you think that he took along Paula Bennet, […]? Of course he didn’t.
    
    Maybe Deputy PM Winston Peters vetoed Bennett’s attendance.
    
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    November 30, 2023 3:59pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  The sight of James Shaw colluding with the enemy (National) should be enough to send the Green Caucus into a frenzy of self immolation.
  
  I think it’s a great call!
  
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  November 30, 2023 8:11am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    I like your thinking!
    
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    November 30, 2023 10:11am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Click below for an excellent article by Barry Brill. I will send the link to Simon Watts and ask him if he will read and comment on it.
  
  https://www.nzcpr.com/1-5c-an-unethical-aspiration/
  
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  November 30, 2023 8:12am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Good article.
    
    “The high-water mark of climate hysteria must surely be the absurd virtue signal of New Zealand politicians spending $23-30 billion on buying carbon credits from overseas sellers. Why? Nobody knows.”
    
    It is incredible that this comes under no scrutiny. I very much doubt that Chris Luxon would want to discuss it.
    
    The article discusses a position paper from the UNFCCC that predicts that emissions in 2030 will only be reduced by 0.9 percent compared to the 45 percent reductions pledged in the Paris Accords. 🤡 Yet New Zealand is going to hand over $30 billion to developing countries to buy carbon credits.
    
    Meanwhile, global emissions are at a record high. Daily oil consumption is also at a record high.
    
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    November 30, 2023 8:37am
    - KH
      
      Madness. 20-30 billion sent offshore. Even if that money is spent, then spend it here.
      How could anybody be so stupid as to sign up to that.
      
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      November 30, 2023 8:46am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        That is just the very beginning. These transfers will ramp up and up until 2050. I would expect that by 2030 the cost of carbon credits will exceed the combined budgets of our Health and Education systems.
        
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        November 30, 2023 9:22am
      - krazykiwi
        
        “How could anybody be so stupid as to sign up to that.”
        
        It isn’t stupidity. It is carefully crafted and very deliberate. It is politicians buying street cred from the global elite to sure up their post-government opportunities … using my money to it.
        
        It is an outrageous scandal.
        
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        November 30, 2023 10:03am
      - Bullion
        
        They could, but National campaigned on getting rid/downscaling of programmes like GIDI – which would help reduce the need/amount of overseas carbon credits.
        
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        November 30, 2023 1:01pm
    - JimBobJoe
      
      these funds transfer to the 3rd/developing world is what the Climate Change movement is all about. It is redistribution under a socialist/communist approach which is cloaked in camouflage of saving the planet…
      
      Some senior UN official blurt out the goal years ago …
      
      Sending money changes nothing climatically but it achieves the goal of weakening the West and its allies …. The greens are not called Watermelons for nothing
      
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      November 30, 2023 9:04am
      - Taieri
        
        Sending money changes nothing climatically but it achieves the goal of weakening the West and its allies
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        And enriches all tinpot dictators…
        
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        November 30, 2023 10:45am
      - Dudley Quaffquaff
        
        How do you know that sending money achieves nothing climatically? If you have evidence that carbon credits bought from overseas do not reflect actual carbon reductions overseas, then you should report it to the Ministry for the Encironment.
        
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        November 30, 2023 11:34am
      - cmm
        
        Dudley, it does not reduce emissione because the selling countries were not going to use their quotas anyway.
        
        For example somewhere like Angola or whatever is about as developed as it is going to ever be. They won’t ever be using their credits.
        
        But the West then buys them and uses them.
        
        Nothing changes except the West sending money to the corrupt officials in the shitholistan countries.
        
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        November 30, 2023 3:04pm
    - JohnRidd
      
      A question I would like asked is how much will the rate of increase of atmospheric Co2 be changed?
      
      So far, the world has spent hundreds of billions but the rate of increase has been rising.
      
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      November 30, 2023 10:13am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Not true. Emissions have increased in New Zealand. Of course China and India are the huge issues.
        
        However Australia has declined nearly 30 percent from the peak 20 years ago.
        
        https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/australia
        
        USA and the EU would have seen bigger falls.
        
        Much of this is switching out coal for natural gas. That would have happened even if there were no “climate change policies”. The irony is that this switch will be curtailed in New Zealand because we are running out of gas.
        
        Emissions will probably peak in about 2030, but this “net zero” for New Zealand is a fantasy. If we keep trying it will bankrupt the country. I don’t know whether Chris Luxon does not get it, or he just kicking the can down the road.
        
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        November 30, 2023 10:37am
- artemisia
  
  Opportunity to find / create common ground and avoid some sniping from the opposition benches from MPs with time on hands. Keep friends close ….
  
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  November 30, 2023 8:15am
  - Matt Long
    
    They were always close, Shaw and National signed up to Zero Carbon; and people thought they were voting for change.
    This along with Sanford’s first steps as Education Minister don’t look good for the country.
    
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    November 30, 2023 10:39am
- emmess
  
  Maybe he can do something useful while over there and arrange us a better deal on the crude oil that we import
  https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-67508331
  
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  November 30, 2023 8:20am
- Paulus
  
  He does not need Shaw but it is a good diplomatic move as Shaw is only days out of a job, and Watts needs to breath through his mouth in his new appointment, and this may well give him insights to what he has taken on with the accompaniment people from the Ministries.
  In my opinion not a bad decision after all.
  We are in a time of change which is what we voted for.
  
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  November 30, 2023 8:22am
  - peterwn
    
    You mean ‘breathe through his nose’ (Kiwi Keith’s advice to new MP’s).
    
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    November 30, 2023 9:27am
  - Cassandra
    
    No. Shaw’s party in totally opposed to everything National stands for. Daft decision. I’m sure Shaw is good company but that’s not the point. We voted for change, this implies more of the same.
    
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    November 30, 2023 10:23am
  - The Housekeeper
    
    Hopefully, Shaw gets offered a better job overseas and we can get rid of him in the same way as Jacinda, Ashley and Trevor
    
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    November 30, 2023 11:15am
- krazykiwi
  
  “This is a very bad decision.”
  
  Attending at all is a bad decision. But sadly it reflects the fact that Luxon is a climate alarmist. He buys into this dangerous nonsense.
  
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  November 30, 2023 8:41am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Literally every country attends.
    
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    November 30, 2023 8:45am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Then literally every country has Emperor’s New Clothes syndrome.
      
      Climate insanity makes covid insanity look rational, and covid insanity is next level irrational. We truly are ruled by lunatics.
      
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      November 30, 2023 9:59am
  - Colville
    
    kk.
    
    Would you have us shunned as trade partners as we are not seen as “doing our bit” ?
    
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    November 30, 2023 8:53am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Colville – that thinking is one of the primary reasons so many people regretfully took the clot shot.
      
      It’s time for leaders to call this lunacy out, it is getting more and more out of control.
      
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      November 30, 2023 10:02am
    - krazykiwi
      
      You are assuming cause and effect. I would stay away citing more valuable local environmental activities taking precedence. Better that than become an ankle-clutching trade whore.
      
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      November 30, 2023 10:09am
    - Local Miller
      
      We should be sitting there with the latest IPCC report in hand, the go to document on the state of the climate and read the section that says “there are no indications of CO2 impacting on the climate, no upwards trend in storms, sea level, drought, etc”. This is specifically in the lates report.
      Then ask: “In the light of this why are we still talking about this nonsense?”
      Then they can all come home and life can return to normal.
      
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      November 30, 2023 1:00pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Is he a genuine alarmist or following the polls?
    
    Anyone who was genuinely concerned about CO2 warming the planet would suport nuclear power generation.
    
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    November 30, 2023 9:25am
    - krazykiwi
      
      I suspect he is an alarmist based on taking advice. The problem there being him being advised by eco-guilt ridden activists at AirNZ
      
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      November 30, 2023 10:12am
    - Ian Boag
      
      Anyone who knew about the nuclear dregs lying round all over the world might have some reservations about it ….
      
      There has been all sorts of talk about where spent fuel and reprocessing dregs can be buried. Basically none of it has happened anywhere. There are a lot of spent fuel elements sitting in cooling ponds and reprocessing leftovers sitting water-cooled stainless steel tanks. They contain radioactive isotopes with half-lives measured in centuries so we should be able to take them out of the ponds in three or four centuries so long as the coolant flow is not disturbed. Ditto for the stainless tanks full of long-life nasties.
      
      And that’s before we get into the serious amounts of radioactive stuff that will come from the dismantling of decommissioned reactors.
      
      No worries – there should be a solution Real Soon Now …..
      
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      November 30, 2023 5:59pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Chuck ‘em down the nearest volcano. Etna should do nicely.
        
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        November 30, 2023 9:52pm
- Simon
  
  If you wanted to undermine a climate change scam meeting then taking along James Shaw is ideal. Nat taking yesterday’s clown along shows where the priorities are.
  
  Man made climate change is very much a minority belief if viewed internationally. China, Russia, India know is rubbish. Nat just signaling with Shaw they are not serious.
  
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  November 30, 2023 8:45am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    China, Russia and India take huge delegations to those meetings. None of them argue that it is rubbish.
    
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    November 30, 2023 9:24am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      They may not argue that it is rubbish, but their actions show what they really believe.
      
      As net beneficiaries of western largesse re climate, sending delegates is nothing more than a virtue signaling junket for them and their favoured chair polishers.
      
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      November 30, 2023 10:05am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        China will reduce emissions. Simply because their coal use pollutes their cities. However they will do so at a pace that suits them, not determined by the UN.
        
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        November 30, 2023 11:29am
      - cmm
        
        “China will reduce emissions. Simply because their coal use pollutes their cities.”
        
        There is a massive difference between reducing pollution and reducing CO2 emissions.
        
        The yellow skies of Beijing etc are not caused by CO2.
        
        Atmospheric CO2 levels are not responsible for any respiratory health issue in any person world wide.
        
        The sooner we can get over this CO2 scam, the sooner we can divert those energies into real environmental issues that really matter.
        
        Imagine we took the $10 to 20 billion dollars we are likely to spend on carbon credits and put that into something vaguely effective for real environmental issues like saving wetlands or restocking dropping eel populations or something.
        
        That would at least achieve something more useful that arguing over plant food.
        
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        November 30, 2023 3:15pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    China is trying quite hard. I think something like half the nuclear power plants under construction (worldwide) are in China. They pretty have the solar cell business wrapped up. They have the world’s largest hydro scheme (Three Gorges) and are pissing off their downstream south asian neighbours with plans to keep building more dams.
    
    I don’t think they regard it as rubbish. Just going with the art of the possible.
    
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    November 30, 2023 9:36am
    - wsk12345
      
      And they are building a large coal fired power station every week….while we worry about one ONE coal station that could easily have been gas.
      
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      November 30, 2023 11:20am
    - cmm
      
      China is not driven by reducing CO2.
      They are however driven by improving air quality in cities for both health and aesthetic reasons.
      
      CO2 has zero impact on human health or aesthetics. CO2 levels are so low that people cannot notice them (indeed you wouldn’t notice breathing in air with CO2 100x higher). Nor can you see CO2 (unless you are Greta).
      
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      November 30, 2023 3:19pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  Good to see Winston continuing to take on the MSM. Long may it continue. I also note the Governor of the RB defiance defending his Maorification of the RB. If the little prick had spent some time doing his real job the country wouldnt be in the mess it is.
  I suggest that where roles like his have their contracts terminating within 12 months of a GE the term is extended to just after the election so a new Government can get rid of toss balls like him.
  Going to popcorn time seeing the pompous Maori Boy Jones as Assoc FinMin head butting the pompous Island Boy Orr. Cant wait.
  
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  November 30, 2023 8:56am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Fat bastard [ Mod : find something better to comment on ]
    
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    November 30, 2023 9:25am
  - My-Gumboot
    
    Yep, I guess Associate Fin Min, gives Shane a bit of a mandate to go after the kia ora bro Governor.
    
    Don’t know that he will much good at budgeting, financing, or economic policy though.
    
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    November 30, 2023 11:00am
- burt
  
  Being out of government Shaw may now struggle to keep his gold elite Koru membership.
  
  It’s great he gets to blow a few thousand of tax payers money so he can burn more avgas and grandstand on the world stage telling us all how we must immediately end oil.
  
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  November 30, 2023 9:04am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Jets don’t use avgas. Just saying. 😀
    
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    November 30, 2023 9:26am
    - peterwn
      
      Hair splitting. All comes from the same crude oil.
      
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      November 30, 2023 9:33am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        The smiley face was at my pedantry. 🙂
        
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        November 30, 2023 10:42am
      - kowtow
        
        Which is a composed of dead bio thingy’s .
        
        So it’s a bio fuel .
        
        Winner.
        
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        November 30, 2023 11:02am
    - krazykiwi
      
      True, but my car loves it 🙂
      
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      November 30, 2023 10:14am
  - peterwn
    
    All MP’s manage ‘Gold’ status. Air NZ grants Koru membership to all new MP’s on the basis that they will reach ‘Gold’ status fairly soon.
    
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    November 30, 2023 9:32am
    - Matt Long
      
      That’s a good way to curry favour with politicians, is it declared in the annual “gift” returns?
      
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      November 30, 2023 12:32pm
      - peterwn
        
        No. It is not a declarable gift. All that happens is Air NZ advances new MP’s sufficient status points to get Koru membership and lounge access (which I would not begrudge MP’s). These status points are paid back as MP’s fly in the execution of their duties. It is not obnoxious unlike Qantas who gives Australian politicians access to its ‘Chairmans Lounges’ which you cannot access no matter how rich you are (unless invited).
        
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        November 30, 2023 2:40pm
- wgtn_dude
  
  Benedict. I respectfully disagree with you and think it is a good idea to have Shaw attend.
  
  Irrespective of personal views of Shaw, his party, or CC – he is good operator at these COP events, can navigate the politics there, and is held in high regard by other COP members.
  
  If anything, Shaw can provide another view to Watts to that given by MFAT and MFE, which is not always that good or is clouded by Wellington breauratic group think.
  
  Last COP Shaw was criticised for only to half the event. In fact, week 1 is the glitzy, no substance week – which of course has the media focus. Week 2 is when the real work is done around a negotiation table.
  
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  November 30, 2023 10:06am
  - Cassandra
    
    No. He’s not just James Shaw, he’s a Green MP. The enemy.
    
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    November 30, 2023 10:26am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Thanks – you can disagree with me 🙂 I see your point.
    
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    November 30, 2023 10:41am
- Tom Hunter
  
  I don’t know much about Simon Watts,…
  
  Try this for a start:
  
  “On our watch, under a National government there would be a pretty clear conversation between government and industry. If you’re significantly profitable, then you have a social obligation in order to do what is required in terms of helping this country achieve our emissions [goals].”
  …
  On behalf of the country, the government needed to apply “the appropriate pressure to these organisations”. Watts expected businesses putting profit margins ahead of this obligation “to change their view pretty rapidly.”
  
  This is a statement that could have been made by Julie Anne Genter – and there’s no sign that Luxon pulled him back into line.
  
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  November 30, 2023 10:58am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Rubbish, Labour we’re paying billions for these hugely successful businesses to change to electric boilers, what he is saying, these businesses should be paying their selves
    
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    November 30, 2023 12:21pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Pretty sure Nat spokesman has been invited before
  
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  November 30, 2023 12:19pm
- RightFirstTime
  
  One last junket before James (Off) Shaw has to get used to staying in New Zealand, just like the rest us!
  
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  November 30, 2023 1:55pm
- Scooter
  
  Another odd attendee is the Pope, although he has cancelled as is ill. So is climate change really a religion now?
  
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  November 30, 2023 7:54pm
Maggie Pie

Anyhoo, what else is going down in the Capital this morning?
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November 30, 2023 8:01am
- Scooter
  
  Nice (in u endo) Mags but seriously Tory Whanau needs to resign asap. To hold a position of mayor of a capital city (let alone one in an earthquake zone) one needs to be able to be on hand and not pissed at anytime of the day, 24/7. She’s admitted she has a problem so I would think it’s a no brainer.
  
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  November 30, 2023 8:09am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    I dunno. I can totally understand Wellington central ratepayers wanting Tory Whanau gone. But there’s also an argument for letting her stay on and continue to show the wider public what happens when diversity becomes the apex virtue of a society. Her staying on as mayor might actually strengthen the case for change, provided Winston Peters doesn’t attack her too often or too harshly.
    
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    November 30, 2023 11:16am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Wait till you find out what she actually did in the bar and in front of an audience, she is o ly crying for help because the display was recorded and it is starting to show up on social media
    
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    November 30, 2023 12:22pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  a few tequilas in the Mayor’s office??
  
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  November 30, 2023 8:12am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Brown Sugar
  
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  November 30, 2023 8:16am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    That’s right
    
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    November 30, 2023 12:23pm
- Scooter
  
  Don’t worry it will all blow over.
  
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  November 30, 2023 8:18am
- Keith White
  
  The Hangover Part IV.
  
  Starring Tory Whanau.
  
  Technical Advisor Stormy Daniels.
  
  Completion bond funded by Ratepayers.
  
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  November 30, 2023 8:19am
- 3-coil
  
  Good morning Maggie. Well I “woke” up in Welly this morning to read the Stuff-Post’s latest attempt to whitewash the shenanigans of the city’s out of control Councillors. According to the 50mm page3 report (just above their daily Corrections item) the juvenile anti-government penis posters were only posted by Labour councillor Teri O’Neill on her social media…not physically pasted by her on the public walls around the city. Stuff could not write an honest less-than-flattering Labour/Greens item if their life depended on it – their credibility is zero.
  
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  November 30, 2023 8:27am
- plc
  
  The real question is….Will the Havana Bar have to get a different license?
  
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  November 30, 2023 8:31am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  It’s a fine, sunny, morning. The last couple of days have kind of sucked though.
  
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  November 30, 2023 8:51am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Wellington is only windy because Auckland sucks so much.
    
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    November 30, 2023 10:16am
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      It is a perfectly normal insult to write that Auckland sucks.
      But, please, do not write that the Capital’s mayor sucks. Such offensive prose will not be tolerated.
      
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      November 30, 2023 2:19pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  My fave @ the copa copocabana 😀
  
  https://twitter.com/ocarolant/status/1729793764204372407
  
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  November 30, 2023 9:17am
- I remember when
  
  Just biked thru the endless traffic on my Ebike, with my doggie companion in the trailer.
  It’ll be great to get finally get into the office and have a quiet drink.
  
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  November 30, 2023 9:22am
- greybeard
  
  Well, apparently the mayor now has covid !
  Yeah, right….
  “Wellington Mayor Tory Whanau has Covid and has been quite unwell, her chief of staff, Nadine Walker, said.
  
  Whanau would not be attending the 9.30am Thursday meeting of the council’s Environment and Infrastructure Committee, but would be watching online.”
  
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  November 30, 2023 9:23am
  - igm
    
    Brewer’s asthma would be more appropriate for the drunken mayor.
    
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    November 30, 2023 9:25am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Unfortunately she is looking much like we saw from Kiri Allan. It would be much better to take leave for a couple of months and appoint an acting Mayor. Otherwise there is a good chance she will suffer the same fate as Kiri Allan. 😕
    
    I disagree with all her policies. However I hope that she makes a full recovery.
    
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    November 30, 2023 9:30am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      The ‘mental health’/’addiction’ PR stuff is garbage.
      
      The only think she is suffering from is a hangover and embarrassment. Not for what she did, but for getting caught.
      Most people have done at least one stupid thing in their life while drunk, many more than one. The difference is, we’re not the Mayor of the Capital of a Country and not subject to the same scrutiny.
      
      It comes with the territory and if you don’t realise that you are too stupid to be in the job anyway.
      
      Zero sympathy.
      
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      November 30, 2023 10:12am
      - MCōs
        
        “Most people have done at least one stupid thing in their life while drunk”
        Like call a snap election
        
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        November 30, 2023 10:39am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Alcohol keeps causing her big problems. If she is not an addict she would have stopped.
        
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        November 30, 2023 10:39am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        MCōs – yes indeed, and he was leader of a country, not a simple Mayor of a city!
        
        He lost that election though didn’t he? More confirmation that if you’re in an important job, you should stay off the hard liquor.
        
        Maybe Whanau should have studied NZ political history.
        
        I’ve heard she may have a career option with ‘OnlyFans’.
        
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        November 30, 2023 11:08am
    - RoboRob
      
      According to another councillor last night, she hasn’t been physically attending meetings for the last 2 or three months! Of course no one in the media or council thought to mention it.
      
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      November 30, 2023 10:53am
      - nathie
        
        Oh Come On! What’s not to like about working from home when one has the bestest kitchen eva!
        
        https://i0.wp.com/summit-cellars.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Bar-3876.jpg?fit=7185%2C5516&ssl=1
        
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        November 30, 2023 12:31pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      BY – she might be an ‘addict’, or she’s just lacking in willpower. I suspect the latter.
      
      Her comments to the waiter ‘do you know who I am?’ smacks of narcissism rather than alcoholism.
      
      But my main point is still the same, if she knows she has a problem and hasn’t got the willpower to deal with it, then she should never have ran for the job. She should resign immediately, check into rehab and disappear into the obscurity she deserves.
      
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      November 30, 2023 11:15am
  - Taieri
    
    her chief of staff, Nadine Walker,
    ————-
    
    “Chief of Staff”. A big name for a small city mayor’s sidekick…
    
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    November 30, 2023 10:50am
  - Sacha
    
    We used to call it ‘brown bottle flu’ –
    
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    November 30, 2023 12:03pm
  - Ghost
    
    No she doesn’t have COVID, she has Corona, a box she found at home. Best to take a few days off an drink them.
    
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    November 30, 2023 12:13pm
- Flossie
  
  Something else in Wellington this morning Maggie. Kiri pleads not guilty and now there’s a judge only trial set down for 1 February.
  
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  November 30, 2023 9:38am
  - Warren
    
    And she will get smacked with wet bus ticket kettle and told not to do it again, forget about what she did because it will happen again if she doesn’t get the help that she obviously needs. Instead their will be all the Labour Party faithful there to give glowing tributes to what she has achieved.
    Alcohol does funny things to people when they are under pressure and normally ends up in tears.
    
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    November 30, 2023 12:53pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Its only 10:30am so Tory won’t be awake yet as probably has a hangover.
  
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  November 30, 2023 10:30am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Apparently she now has covid
    
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    November 30, 2023 12:27pm
- MCōs
  
  I’ve never had a problem with alcohol, drugs, smoking or any other addiction, but from what I hear/read it’s a constant struggle and the last thing one needs is nastiness from the self righteous
  
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  November 30, 2023 12:24pm
  - cmm
    
    If you have a huge problem with drugs, alcohol or whatever then find a job where your getting pissed does not interfere with the operation of a large organisation/city/country.
    
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    November 30, 2023 3:28pm
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Looks like Christopher Luxon is now playing second fiddle to Winston Peters.
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November 30, 2023 8:05am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Is that you Tova?
  
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  November 30, 2023 9:31am
  - Colville
    
    Na, no spelling mistakes. Cant be Tova.
    
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    November 30, 2023 9:39am
    - Biscuit
      
      Careful, Colville.
      
      I regularly post with spelling misatkes – though I call them typos.
      
      If Colville ever suggests I am Tova there will be Hell to pay, heh…
      
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      November 30, 2023 1:04pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Oooo Benedict! That’s not like you!
    
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    November 30, 2023 10:00pm
- peterwn
  
  No. Chris Luxon is sitting back and enjoying Winston taking the piss out of Hipkins, Labour, Tova, the media etc. Chris Luxon cannot really do this himself, but Winston sure can.
  
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  November 30, 2023 9:40am
- kevn
  
  sensible… You must have missed Luxon being interviewed by Hosking this morning. Do check it out.
  
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  November 30, 2023 9:49am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I heard him this morning, he was on point, had all figures in his head, he laughed when Hipkins was mentioned, the thing that got me was the huge amount of texts to Hosking saying he was great and why could previous PMs not be able to answer so easily
    
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    November 30, 2023 12:31pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

More shit from that TV1 program this morning. The dumb blond thought she had a Gotcha moment over Govt spending. She mentioned Tax cuts. David Seymour had to tell her 3 times that Tax cuts is not ‘spending.’
How can anyone be that thick? Sure, Taxes may have to come from somewhere else, but cutting a Tax is not bloody spending ffs!!
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November 30, 2023 8:09am
- Vinicius
  
  TVNZ getting hand outs of $3,187,649.00 under the PIJF is spending.
  
  https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/pijf
  
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  November 30, 2023 8:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Some seriously overpaid people here.
    Stuff – 1 x te reo Māori Translator $103,000.
    Nobody at Stuff can translate?
    
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    November 30, 2023 9:23am
    - Vinicius
      
      – Maori Television: 7 x roles $1,593,000
      – TVNZ: 2 roles for TVNZ News, for one year $206,000
      
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      November 30, 2023 9:48am
    - alwyn.a
      
      I’m not sure anyone at Stuff can read.
      
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      November 30, 2023 9:49am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      It’s stunning that in NZ we need a translator for the country’s primary ‘official’ language.
      
      We really do live in clown world…….🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
      
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      November 30, 2023 10:16am
- Ian Boag
  
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  cutting a Tax is not bloody spending ffs
  
  I would have to agree – the effect is much the same though …. ffs 🙂
  
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  November 30, 2023 8:16am
  - Keith White
    
    No Ian, the effect is not the same.
    
    Taking less money away from people who worked for it, often working very hard, encourages them to both keep working and to innovate. It is positive.
    
    Taking more money away from those who earned it and transferring it to politicians and bureaucrats to waste on buying votes, installing medical and resource apartheid, and featherbedding special interests is absofreakinglutely not neutral; it is negative.
    
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    November 30, 2023 8:21am
    - Ian Boag
      
      If I run a business/household and remove an income stream, the immediate effect on the balance sheet will be negative. Same as if I started up a new spending program without revenue to fund it.
      
      Some folk believe that unfunded tax cuts will always stimulate the economy. It is largely an item of faith and the evidence is a bit thin. I think it’s known as the “trickle-down” theory.
      
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      November 30, 2023 9:46am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Tax cuts reward productive workers, they will often work harder due to the increased incentive. Overall impact is an actual increase in tax take.
        
        Also, they will mostly spend that extra income in the national economy, contributing to economic growth, not to mention the GST take on everything they spend.
        
        It’s completely different from the unproductive lolly scramble which Labour have burdened the country with.
        
        Money earned in providing products or services is productive, it is the lubrication for the economy. Wasteful government spending is sand in the gears.
        
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        November 30, 2023 10:21am
      - RoboRob
        
        The trickle down theory is a myth, actually coined by the left. Try finding the economist who came up with the theory. You cant.
        
        There is plenty of evidence that tax cuts do stimuilate the economy. Opponents usually white ant by claiming it was other factors during the time period. As with all things of this scale it is hard to 100% prove that x change was the particular factor.
        
        I will say though, that it is proven that the ‘market’ is a better allocator of funds than any individual. So the concept that 5million NZers will better allocate their tax cut money that 20 odd cabinet members, is likely true.
        
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        November 30, 2023 10:59am
      - Local Miller
        
        What ClanMcleod & RoboRob said. Tax cuts have clearly been shown to have a net positive impact on the economy and result in a net increase in government revenue over time. There is ample research covering this.
        
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        November 30, 2023 1:20pm
  - cmm
    
    No, it is pretty much the opposite.
    
    Tax cuts leave money in the hands of productive people (those who tend to deploy money wisely).
    Spending tends to be wasting resources. Those that like it tend to be those on whom the resources are wasted (eg. surplus government workers).
    
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    November 30, 2023 8:26am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Exactly. Money sluiced through government hands has the value leeched out of it at every step which is precisely the opposite of leaving the money with the people who created the value in the first instance.
      
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      November 30, 2023 8:47am
    - Simon
      
      “How can anyone be that thick? ”
      
      Yep only socialist and midwits think tax cuts are a zero sum game.
      
      Through tax cuts the productive able to retain more funds these are invested in the wider economy. That is the production of goods and services in demand in various markets at prices set in those markets. This produces more tax revenue for the state.
      
      Whereas of course with govt spending in the economy produces something like the Hamilton to Papakura train service.
      
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      November 30, 2023 8:59am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      What the left can’t comprehend is a Tax cut creates more disposable income.
      When spent, it stimulates the economy AND the Govt GST grab increases.
      This may seem like a small amount but over the whole workforce is becomes large.
      
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      November 30, 2023 9:04am
      - Swifty
        
        That’s not the whole picture Steve.
        
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        November 30, 2023 12:35pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Govt can’t spend the Tax that they have not taken from you.
    Oh wait, Labour can, I forgot about them and the way they spend.
    
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    November 30, 2023 8:26am
    - cmm
      
      Yup, Labour have already spent the tax that is going to be paid two generations from now.
      
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      November 30, 2023 8:28am
  - kevn
    
    iboag… ‘go figure’ as you often say.
    
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    November 30, 2023 9:42am
  - Cassandra
    
    Nonsense, Ian. Economics 101.
    
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    November 30, 2023 10:30am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You do get a bit of hammering here in Kiwiblog don’t you Ian?
    
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    November 30, 2023 7:45pm
- Paulus
  
  Labour’s media women are not thick are they ?
  
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  November 30, 2023 8:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You need to ask?
    
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    November 30, 2023 10:43am
- Nickc2
  
  If you must watch that show Steve, it’s best viewed with the sound muted.
  I think their cast was rejected from another show called ‘Dumber & Dumber’.
  
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  November 30, 2023 8:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The speaker of the house insists. Keep the queen bee happy and the whole hive is happy.
    To me ‘Breakfast’ is the NZ version of ‘The View.’
    If you don’t know what ‘The View’ is then it’s probably better that you don’t know.
    
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    November 30, 2023 9:28am
- Damocles11
  
  Seymour is articulate and poised when dealing with the media….and he can bite back when it is required. He has improved markedly over the years.
  
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  November 30, 2023 8:43am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    David Seymour knows instantly when the media is setting him up and acts accordingly without being nasty.
    Fun to watch/listen.
    Winston Peters? Well I hope he pushes all of the boundaries. The media need to learn that Kiwis have had enough of their paid for lies (PIJF) They have haply scooped up all of the bribes.
    
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    November 30, 2023 9:34am
Hugh Jarse

It’s true Wellington sucks !
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November 30, 2023 8:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Who knew?
  
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  November 30, 2023 9:35am
- nathie
  
  As in, Absolutely Positively??!
  
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  November 30, 2023 9:48am
- kowtow
  
  Uh oh .
  
  It does have a reputation for a ……..blow…….
  
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  November 30, 2023 10:03am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  The public will have difficulty swallowing her story
  
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  November 30, 2023 10:39am
  - kowtow
    
    Not if they’re spitting …….mad .
    
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    November 30, 2023 11:06am
ecco

Interesting Adrian Orr’s monetary policy statement yesterday. Orr is seemingly no longer the friendly Reserve Bank governor…

Now all of a sudden he thinks immigration will be inflationary. An 180 degree turnaround on his previous stance. Really? Never thought that about immigration when his mates Jacinda, Chippy and Robbo were running the country.

Is this guy really an impartial appointment or was he just bought out by Labour, as were many others at the trough? That is a seriously scary scenario with the influence he holds over NZ and its economic outcomes.

I’ve got a suggestion for the new government – Orr maybe needs to have regular meetings – every couple of days- on how he’s going with his remit. I nominate Shane Jones to conduct these meetings with Orr…
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November 30, 2023 8:16am
- pdm
  
  ecco – obviously sympathetic to the Labour Party otherwise Grunter would not have reappointed him for a further term (against all conventions and protocols) a few months ago.
  
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  November 30, 2023 9:14am
- Random T Person
  
  The photo ops will be glorious. The grumpy twins.
  
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  November 30, 2023 10:44am
peterwn

So Chris Hipkins wants Chris Luxon to deal with Winston Peters. What is Chris Luxon supposed to do – put Winston over his knee and spank his bottom?
Also Chris Hipkins seems to think that as Winston did not object to the Journalism Fund at the time then Winston should still be restrained by Cabinet Collective Responsibility on this.
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November 30, 2023 8:16am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I liked Christopher Luxon’s response… that he won’t take advice from someone who lost 4 Ministers in 4 months.
  
  Hasn’t the MSM realised that Chris Hipkins is yesterday’s man?
  
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  November 30, 2023 9:13am
  - I remember when
    
    Screech! Screech!
    A lot of noise but no traction.
    
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    November 30, 2023 9:38am
- Vinicius
  
  I cannot wait for Parliament to resume next when Labour and friends will start gobbling, gabbling and shrieking like a bunch of hyperactive turkeys on Speed.
  
  The government has no end of ammunition to fire back at them bearing in mind the massive fiscal and policy failures Labour were responsible for.
  
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  November 30, 2023 9:29am
- nathie
  
  Not trying to defend Winston Peters or anything but Labour’s hating of Winston is bizarre.
  
  My recollection of the 2017-2020 years, was that Winston was the perfect gentleman to Labour. (Frustratingly the coalition didn’t collapse as was wishfully expected – from the POV of Labour/NZF/Greens being incompatible).
  
  Instead Winston always publicly supported Labour when they came up with daft policy. Pretty much to the every end – the 2020 election (even in spite of the SFO investigation).
  
  Sure we won’t know what actually went on behind the scenes with Labour/NZF 2017-2020, but considering NZF enabled Labour to gain power their attacks on Winston/NZF in the lead up to and post the 2023 election seems rather petty.
  
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  November 30, 2023 10:00am
  - MCōs
    
    Winston turned against Labour when it became obvious being in government with them wasn’t doing NZF’s prospects of returning to parliament any good.
    Same thing happened when he was last in coalition with National. In 1999 they went from 17 seats to 5 and only hung on because Winston won Tauranga
    Odds on they’ll be out at the next election to nobody’s dismay, unless they can scrap together 5% malcontents who think everyone is out to get them.
    I would say Peters is going to be a pain in the arse for Mr Luxon for the next three years, because he can.
    
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    November 30, 2023 10:58am
  - Matt Long
    
    People generally hate two groups, those who give them stuff like the third world hates America, and those they have wronged, like Labour lied to Winston First.
    
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    November 30, 2023 11:15am
cmm

The Herald asks whether we really need a Minister of Space.

The space sector, and more importantly the space-linked sectors (eg. electronics and satellite communications) are a growing part of NZ’s economy, but I struggle to see the benefit of adding government oversight to the industry.

Almost all, if not all, of that sector is foreign owned. The direction that these companies develop in is directed by those foreign entities.

What does having a minister and their staff really help an industry? Are we just going to see more hand outs to space companies and Maori mythology in space?

Besides, I’d far prefer Judith Collins went back to Minister of Police and did her “crusher” act again.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/the-front-page-does-new-zealand-really-need-judith-collins-as-minister-of-space/XKZWMWZXGBBRHMPQZXLK5SLEGM/
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November 30, 2023 8:19am
- Keith White
  
  Well, for years we have had Ministers of Vacuum, so it’s not really that big a change…
  
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  November 30, 2023 8:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Whaleoil always said we had a Minister for Mars – Catherine Delahunty.
    
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    November 30, 2023 9:42am
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      LOL. I’m always tempted to make fun of her surname, but I’ll be strong and resist temptation. “Phyllida Barkle” is another matter – I can’t resist that one.
      
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      November 30, 2023 8:49pm
- peterwn
  
  That would be a red flag to the bull for MSM journalists. They are already complaining about National wanting to roll the Police Commissioner.
  
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  November 30, 2023 8:29am
- imalwaysright
  
  Labour would have called it Waka Matariki
  
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  November 30, 2023 8:32am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Given the international aspect of space exploration and near earth orbit space exploitation, Governmental and ministerial oversight is probably more warranted than not, and given the potential for Foreign Investment in our launch capabilities, I would rather see this promoted at ministerial level.
  
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  November 30, 2023 8:33am
  - cmm
    
    Why does that need government interference? What value does the government add to the exercise?
    
    The overnment gets involved in one of three ways:
    * providing a function (eg. social welfare).
    * subsidises (ie. extracting resources from productive parts of society and shovelling them into unproductive parts of society) because they think they know best and can make things better.
    * regulation (ie interfering, because, again they think they know best).
    
    Whenever they get into a new area like space, then how are they going to intervene?
    
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    November 30, 2023 11:33am
  - Jack5
    
    Space investment isn’t all Cointreau and croquet.
    
    One of the leading manufacturers for the space industry is Precision Castparts Corp, of Oregon.
    
    It was a “Fortune 500″company, and one of the 10 biggest in the American space and defence industry, when Berkshire Hathaway bought it for $US32.1 billion in 2016. It was that famous investment firm’s largest purchase to that time.
    
    Two years ago, Berkshire Hathaway wrote off $US9.8 billion of the asset value of Precision Castparts. Warren Buffett, legendary chairman and CEO of Berkshire Hathaway, admitted he made a mistake with the space firm.
    
    “I paid too much for the company,” the billionaire investor said in his annual newsletter to shareholders. “No-one misled me in any way. I was simply too optimistic about PCC’s normalized profit potential.”
    
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    November 30, 2023 1:11pm
- MCōs
  
  Judith Collins’s ’crusher act’ while it might have struck a chord with a lot of people, was an abject failure.
  
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  November 30, 2023 8:53am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Wot? But she crushed at least three cars ….. 🙂
    
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    November 30, 2023 9:49am
  - MCōs
    
    I see that comment didn’t go down well, but nobody is defending Judith Collins’s Vehicle Confiscation and Seizure Bill 2009 that resulted in a total of three cars being crushed not the estimated 10 per annum
    
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    November 30, 2023 9:57am
    - James Stephenson
      
      The success or otherwise of that bill isn’t be measured in number of cars crushed, but in prevalence of street racing and general unruly boy racer behaviour. It always struck me as a success because it was a simple deterrent that actually worked but then, like 3S, I think that criminals understand the effect of the bill much better than its critics.
      
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      November 30, 2023 10:29am
      - peterwn
        
        No one seemed to have a quantitative analysis on the deterrent value of 3S especially Justice officials. I hope that the new Justice Minister asks for that to be done based on data concerning 3S. The ‘bottom line’ test would be whether 3S would have resulted in a reduction in a reduction of people-days in prison compared with no 3S.
        As far as I am concerned the ‘manifestly unjust’ provision needs to be part of any new 3S legislation otherwise it would be left open to attacks concerning fairness and injustices.
        
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        November 30, 2023 11:19am
      - Local Miller
        
        Peterwyn: “ The ‘bottom line’ test would be whether 3S would have resulted in a reduction in a reduction (sic) of people-days in prison compared with no 3S.”
        
        No, this is not the bottom line test for 3S. The test is whether there’s a reduction in “strike” crimes and a corresponding reduction in victims of “strike” crimes. David G’s feedback and a lot of articles on KB highlighting the type of “people” up for 3S would indicate that until the judiciary became anti-3S activists, the act was doing what was intended.
        
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        November 30, 2023 7:19pm
    - peterwn
      
      The only vehicles actually crushed were those where salvage was not worth while. Most ‘confiscated’ vehicles would either be sold (with undesirable accessories removed) or scrapped for parts. Admittedly doing a public ‘crushing’ would be more of a publicity stunt.
      
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      November 30, 2023 11:10am
      - peterwn
        
        I should have mentioned that the vehicles scrapped for parts would be crushed anyway but that would happen to all vehicles that hit the end of the road anyway.
        
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        November 30, 2023 2:46pm
  - cmm
    
    The mere fact that she is still remembered as Crusher about 12 years later is a clear indication she was effective.
    
    How long will people remember Potowotitsname?
    
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    November 30, 2023 11:28am
- Vinicius
  
  There were plenty of ministers and two Prime Ministers in the last government who were a complete waste of space.
  
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  November 30, 2023 9:37am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  A bit hard to be min of police if she is AG isn’t it?
  
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  November 30, 2023 12:37pm
  - peterwn
    
    She is not Police Minister. Her main portfolios are Defence and AG. AG is more in keeping with her legal background. She is probably also ‘Cabinet Mother’, someone who new Ministers and MP’s can turn to for advice as she knows all the tricks of the trade.
    
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    November 30, 2023 2:53pm
kowtow

Te Media attacks against the coalition on all fronts .
Digging up all manner of medicos , even retired to whinge about the tobacco reversal .

Armagedon heading our way . Reti shame etc

OK ,where were these outraged media and health experts on ‘legalise cannabis’.

Or where were they on the effects of the draconian lockdowns on the health , both physical and mental of the general public ……..

Hypocrites , the lot of them.
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November 30, 2023 8:24am
- nathie
  
  Imagine in 2029/2039/2049/2059/2069 when a 20/30/40/50/60 year old goes to buy a packet of cigarettes and is asked for ID to prove their age!
  
  Or better/worse, perhaps by then a future Labour Govt will have implemented a digital currency/social credit system so that such purchases are automatically banned when presenting for card payment!
  
  Funny how lefties support ‘draconian’ measures!
  
  And what’s with this weeks childish leftist (and MSM repeating) “cigaRETI” and “Nicotine Willis” name-calling? Only a mere six years ago the lefties (and MSM repeaters) were telling us to “be kind” and not use nicknames for PM Ardern and her motley crew.
  
  In fact they even shamed people in the media – remember when some Pasifika rugby team innocently called Ardern “Auntie Cindy” (as a tribute – as the term Auntie/Aunty is in their culture) and were told they were misogynist and had to apologise. Lefties = Hypocrites/Do What I Say Not As I Do!
  
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  November 30, 2023 9:42am
- Gravelroad
  
  Have any of them got any worries about the meth smoking situation?
  No problem with that?
  
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  November 30, 2023 10:15am
- Flossie
  
  What about vaping! Apparently that was a Good Thing.
  
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  November 30, 2023 10:27am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Labour had 6 years to enforce a Tobacco ban….but they didn’t.
  
  They preferred to plant a little time bomb for the Nats .
  
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  November 30, 2023 10:48am
nathie

Congratulations in particular to TV1 & Newshub news reporters for bringing back to the public’s attention how ‘corrupting’ aspects of the PIJF fund were but also NZ On Air’s funding guidelines which has been captured by divisive radical extremist race-based viewpoints (such as Maori never ceded sovereignty).

I think we had mostly forgotten about all of this (eg there was the odd comment here periodically asking what was the status of the PIJF. NZ On Air was barely mentioned), so well done those intrepid reporters for foolishly giving Winston oxygen! Now look at the unintended consequences!

Now the next steps forward is to ensure the coalition Govt removes the divisive, radical, racist race-based guidelines in the likes of the NZ On Air funding guidelines.

And no doubt other taxpayer funded guidelines such as the Marsden Fund.

Any others?
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November 30, 2023 8:28am
- I remember when
  
  Is the media’s wanting an apology from Winston really a second ‘lie.’
  They don’t want an apology, they just want to demonstrate that the coalition won’t work.
  
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  November 30, 2023 9:47am
  - kevn
    
    I rememb… Media don’t look beyond their navel.
    https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2023/11/roger-childs-winston-is-right-on-money.html#more
    
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    November 30, 2023 11:13am
imalwaysright

What brasses me off is these public servants like Tory and Kiri continuing to accept full salaries and benefits whilst telling us why they can’t go to work and do the jobs we are paying them for.
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November 30, 2023 8:36am
- Benedict Yu
  
  If she does have COVID she can hardly go to work.
  
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  November 30, 2023 9:34am
  - imalwaysright
    
    I thought that’s what the masks are for, however I was reverencing her not turning up because she’s hungover or still on the piss.
    
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    November 30, 2023 9:46am
  - kevn
    
    BY… Lot’s of NZer’s are working from home.
    
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    November 30, 2023 9:48am
    - kowtow
      
      I suspect one of the biggest sectors of so called working ( bwahahahaha) from home was the public sector , both national and local.
      
      Witness how few people are/were in city/town centres ( still) which is part of the crushing of the private sector ( esp food and bev) desperate for business which just isn’t there.
      
      Hvae they all gone back to “work” yet ?
      
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      November 30, 2023 10:09am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    4th time she’s had it apparently, guessing she’s fully jabbed up, being a responsible citizen and all that.
    
    Those covid shots sure are ‘safe and effective’.
    
    🤡🤡🤡
    
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    November 30, 2023 10:35am
    - kevn
      
      Clan… Then again she ‘might’ just have some adverse reaction to the jab. Truckloads of illness options there.
      
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      November 30, 2023 11:15am
      - Local Miller
        
        No, she definitely isn’t having a reaction to the jab, all good lefties and clan covidians know that the jab is 100% safe. //
        
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        November 30, 2023 7:35pm
    - Matt Long
      
      How to get a false positive RAT test with lemon juice. Bet Tory’s never heard of that.
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/watch-lemon-juice-can-falsely-produce-positive-rat-results/OOMU6JG5KQXLRY4LUVEMCBTFNA/
      
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      November 30, 2023 11:59am
      - Matt Long
        
        The funny thing about searching How to get a Fake Positive… is the number one Google suggestion is pregnancy test.
        Why would Google searchers want false positive pregnancy tests?
        
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        November 30, 2023 12:02pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    She must have long Covid then, as in Heather DPA interview last month with a councilor, Tory hasn’t turned up for a couple of months!
    
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    November 30, 2023 10:41am
  - Ghost
    
    Does she really have COVID or did she just find a box of corona and decided to stay home and get drunk
    
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    November 30, 2023 12:06pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      She definitely has Corona virus.
      It was manufactured in a brewery in Mexico and has crossed our border and is widespread around the country.
      I lost a friend due to Corona virus.
      Fortunately I found him later in McDonalds
      This is not a conspiracy theory folks !
      Wake up !
      
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      November 30, 2023 2:28pm
Rusty

Do the people scoffing at Winston Peters claim that Labour’s 55 million dollar grant to the media wasn’t bribe money because there was no written clause telling them to support Labour policies think that’s the end of the story?

Can’t they put 2 and 2 together when a govt gives the media lots of money that they expect something in
return?
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November 30, 2023 8:41am
- mandk
  
  The government’s expectation of a quid pro quo was clear from the conditions for funding: in effect, the recipients needed to give up their editorial independence on the issue of how the Treaty of Waitangi was to be interpreted. They were expected to follow the Ardern government’s line.
  
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  November 30, 2023 9:33am
- Nickc2
  
  Exactly!
  IMO, public perception is that Labour bribed their mates in the MSM to give them (Labour) favourable publicity.
  There were many examples of this once the PJIF had been formalised and at no time did the Govt or the MSM make any meaningful attempt to deny the situation they had created.
  Hipkins and Co. can huff and puff and suck their thumbs like the children they are but public perception is public perception and IMO, that’s what counts.
  
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  November 30, 2023 9:34am
- Benedict Yu
  
  There was a clause saying the media had to “actively promote” the Government’s interpretation of the Treaty. That was enough.
  
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  November 30, 2023 9:35am
  - mandk
    
    Agree. It could not be clearer.
    
    People in the media who accuse Peters of lying about the bribe are either in denial or are lying themselves.
    
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    November 30, 2023 10:24am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      BRIBE: “to try to make someone do something for you by giving them money, presents, or something else that they want”
      
      https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/bribe
      
      The media were desperate for money.
      
      The Government said “Sure! but you need to:
      
      – demonstrate a commitment to educate and develop staff in accordance with Te Tiriti o Waitangi showing a commitment to the education of Aotearoa’s cultural identity.
      
      – Actively promote the principles of Partnership, Participation and Active Protection under Te Tiriti o Waitangi acknowledging Māori as a Te Tiriti partner.
      
      https://www.nzonair.govt.nz/funding/journalism-funding/
      
      That is just part of it. The Government compelled actions by the media to further the policies of the Government in exchange for money.
      
      IMO that falls under the definition of “bribe”.
      
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      November 30, 2023 10:50am
      - Jack5
        
        Look at the Radio NZ web site today lavishly covering the Labour Opposition.
        
        RNZ’s more Labour than Pravda was Stalinist.
        
        It’s all Chipkins, Seppuloni, Maori views, and Tane’s man at the Reserve Bank.
        
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        November 30, 2023 1:39pm
- Inandout
  
  Rusty, this payment went hand in hand with favoured MSM saying nice things about Labour. A sort of opposite to the Mafia protection money except in this case the media were ‘protected’ by drinking at the funding pond.
  
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  November 30, 2023 10:26am
Maggy Wassilieff

Debbie Ngarewa-Packer is confused…

Intentional slow suicide is not the same as Government sanctioned “systemic genocide”.

BIG CLUE: Smoking is not compulsory in NZ

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/te-pati-maori-co-leader-debbie-ngarewa-packer-says-smokefree-reversal-is-systemic-genocide/QZ7K7LHPGJDXLHH3LPEZSKOW5Y/
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November 30, 2023 8:42am
- Jack5
  
  Why doesn’t Ngarewa-Packer attack the indigenous people of the Americas?
  
  American “Indians” smoked tobacco for thousands of years until they passed the habit on to Westerners, from whom Polynesians, especially Maori, quickly picked it up.
  
  Or, or, or … did the double-hull canoes that some reckon took Maori hens to South America bring back tobacco?
  
  Sue Peru, Debbie!
  
  https://www.sciencenews.org/article/chicken-sea-poultry-may-have-reached-americas-polynesia
  
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  November 30, 2023 10:51am
Maggie Pie

Nasty tweet comes back to haunt Rawiri….

https://twitter.com/Rawiri_Waititi/status/617623105612034048
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November 30, 2023 8:43am
Maggy Wassilieff

How the heck did this chap with a “lengthy history of mental illness” gain entry to NZ only to go on a violent rampage a couple of months later?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/301017704/north-shore-chinese-restaurant-axe-attacker-acquitted-on-grounds-of-insanity#:~:text=Six%20people%20were%20injured%20on,all%20charges%20due%20to%20insanity.
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November 30, 2023 8:46am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Shows the calibre of those employed @ INZ under the-river-of-filth.
  
  Tell you who I feel the most concerned about…..
  the team at the Mason Clinic 🙁
  
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  November 30, 2023 9:11am
- Jack5
  
  The medical report on the mad axe-man notes he had “a lengthy history of mental illness” and had been previously diagnosed with obsessive compulsive disorder and schizophrenia.
  
  New Zealand’s immigration screening is a shambles.
  
  Should all immigration halt until the new Government has cleaned out the Immigration Department and weeded out international criminal agents who are preying on this country?
  
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  November 30, 2023 10:43am
Grunter

The next stage of the Gaza war will be significant in many ways. If it carries on and expands into a wider regional war involving Iran then the price of oil and natural gas is almost certainly going up. The Iranians ‘control’ the Strait of Hormuz, a narrow strip of water that links the Persian Gulf to the rest of the world. Iran has been crystal clear that it will close the Strait in the case Israel or the US attacks it. And it would likely take months for the US to sort out some sort of solution, if at all.

According to the US Energy Information Administration, more than 40% of global oil exports (around 21 million barrels) transit the Strait daily, along with 33% of the world’s LNG.

Back in the 1973 oil crisis, only 9% of the world’s oil supply was removed from the daily supply. The price of oil increased 4x.

So if Iran disrupts 40% of the world’s oil supply in the coming weeks/months we might see oil go over $300/barrel, maybe more. Who knows but it is likely to be huge considering Biden has drained the SPR and we are heading into a seasonal holiday demand peak.
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November 30, 2023 9:06am
- Benedict Yu
  
  All that might happen of course. However both oil spot prices and futures have fallen by about 15 percent in the last 6 weeks.
  
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  November 30, 2023 9:42am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  I think that if Iran tried that they would find that they would be on the wrong end of the USN.
  
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  November 30, 2023 10:24am
  - Cassandra
    
    Iran will sink ships to close the strait. USN will not be able to do anything about that. Of course it can do a lot of other things.
    
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    November 30, 2023 11:00am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Good luck against those Destroyers in the Carrier Group.
      
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      November 30, 2023 4:20pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Meet the USS Carney.
        This is pretty much single handedly stopping all the Iranian missiles from Yemen launched at Israel.
        https://warriormaven.com/sea/how-a-us-navy-destroyer-annihilated-houthi-rebel-missile-drone-attacks-in-red-sea-with-sm-2-interceptor
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Carney
        
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        November 30, 2023 4:33pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Iran have pulled back in their initial posturing with regard to Gaza. They are clearly chastened. No bigger war is going to happen.
  
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  November 30, 2023 11:19am
  - All_on_Red
    
    The US, Japan and China all have Destroyers etc in the Gulf
    Japan has just assisted the US in liberating that Israeli ship which was seized.
    The Carrier USS Eisenhower has now arrived….
    https://warriormaven.com/sea/uss-eisenhower-now-in-strait-of-hormuz-vs-iranian-swarming-small-boats
    Iran only has Frigates (7)and Corvettes. Iirc three Frigates were made in the 70’and but four are reasonably modern. Two of the Corvettes are from the 60’s.
    They have fast boats too but they have nothing which could take on even a single US Destroyer.
    Lastly, Iran has NEVER been able to close the Straits and they wont be able to this time.
    The whole idea of it is just not feasible. They just don’t have the equipment.
    
    And there will be no wider ‘Regional’ war (who between?). Just a continuation of the Skirmish’s and missile attacks we see now.
    Which are being easily defended against.
    
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    November 30, 2023 4:18pm
Tomtoddy

Imagine being an air traffic controller at Dubai’s airport. Thousands of private jets arriving loaded with hypocrites all trying to outdo each other telling me to stay home, no air travel, eat nuts, buy an electric car, cull my cows. Will there be enough caviar flown in by special jet from Moscow, Canadian salmon, flown in from Vancouver, French champagne flown from Nice, girls flown in from Amsterdam and Manila.

Imagine being the translator who will cover the Chinese delegate explaining that they are still commissioning two new coal fired power stations every week. Or the one explaining India’s cows are sacred and can keep belching methane.

The leader of the Maldives will be busy explaining how their new international airport just completed, will be underwater very soon.

The leader of Benin will get one and a half mins to explain that all the UN funds to help Africa deal with climate change got spent on consultants and universities in Europe.

Lastly, but not least the NZ delegation of National’s Watts, Green’s Shaw and the fifty Māori reps who reluctantly decided to attend will be explaining how their country is culling 20% of the beef and sheep and 5% of dairy. They will forget to mention NZ has the lowest carbon footprint of any food producer and that the latest science says methane is not an issue.
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November 30, 2023 9:12am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Well said Tom. I wish I could give you 100 upticks.
  
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  November 30, 2023 9:20am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Some years back the PM of the Maldives held a cabinet meeting underwater to show what would happen as the islands submerged below the Indian Ocean. Still, they build airports and hotels.
  
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  November 30, 2023 9:25am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    With the money the ‘rich’ developed countries give them. What a scam!
    
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    November 30, 2023 10:53am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    And mansions at Martha’s Vineyard.
    
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    November 30, 2023 10:58am
- Benedict Yu
  
  There is no need for concern. The entire event in Dubai will be “carbon neutral”. 🤡😀
  
  “Ensuring COP28 UAE is a sustainable and carbon neutral event will be pivotal to its success. COP28 UAE is committed to implementing a sustainable event management system, certified to International Standards for Event Sustainability Management Systems (ISO20121:2012) for the event, as well as ensuring the event will be carbon neutral, complying with PAS 2060 – the international standard for carbon neutrality.”
  
  https://www.cop28.com/en/sustainability-policy
  
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  November 30, 2023 9:49am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Whew….
    
    I’ll sleep easily tonight, now.
    
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    November 30, 2023 10:11am
  - Tomtoddy
    
    Yep, carbon neutral meeting except the ‘getting there’. The UK PM, the King and Foreign Sec all taking separate jets. About as ‘carbon neutral’ as my uncle after a lunch of baked beans and onions.
    
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    November 30, 2023 10:45am
- kowtow
  
  UK .
  
  3 separate private jets.
  King
  PM
  FM
  
  And these muppets get to preach to ordinary people how to live their lives and what we should/shouldn’t eat or smoke .
  
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  November 30, 2023 10:14am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Security. The same reason that the POTUS and the VPOTUS do not fly on the same plane or travel in the same vehicle.
    
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    November 30, 2023 11:07am
    - kowtow
      
      Private jets .
      
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      November 30, 2023 12:26pm
- krazykiwi
  
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  November 30, 2023 10:23am
nathie

Is it just me? Listening RBNZ Governor Adrian Orr (being interviewed by MH) doesn’t give me much confidence that he is competently and confidently ‘leading’ the RBNZ’s response to NZ’s economic problems.

Apart from (still) not admitting Labours multi-billion dollar money printing and wasteful spending (and his role in this) as being a major contribution to NZ’s high inflation, he is still ‘crushing’ NZ’ers to reduce the effects of inflation.

For example we have high interest rates on the one hand but “hawkishly” he is stating they won’t be coming down until 2025 (whereas economic commentators are suggesting mid/late 2024).

Is he factoring that Labour are no longer Govt and National will cut wasteful govt spending?

Granted I know he doesn’t want inflation to rise if NZers go on spending sprees (realistically they will mostly pay off debt plus provide a lifeline of sorts to retailers) but not only is Orr’s stance ‘crippling’ those with mortgages (also impacting those paying rents), he ‘crippling’ the export-earning agricultural sectors as farmers and producers have to pay higher interest rates (apparently rural banking interest rates are higher than for standard homeowners).

That’s a lose-lose situation for everyone eg for farmers that can’t keep up with high interest rates, the cost of produce for NZers and potentially less tax revenue for Govt.

I’m sure Adrian Orr is a nice fellow but it’s surely time for him to be replaced with someone else with a new vision, is pro-active and can deliver for the new Govt and NZ’ers?

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/adrian-orr-reserve-bank-governor-on-the-official-cash-rate-being-held-at-55/
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November 30, 2023 9:25am
- kevn
  
  nathie… robberson ‘covered’ for him all the time.
  
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  November 30, 2023 11:19am
Maggy Wassilieff

An article on Maori and Pacifica quotas for Med Schools

https://newsroom.co.nz/2023/11/30/why-maori-and-pacific-quotas-at-medical-school-are-essential/
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November 30, 2023 9:28am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  If someone gets in due to the quota, it must be the case that a more qualified person missed out. Saying you got in due to the quota and achieved some stuff is missing the point. Nobody knows what that other, more qualified, person would have achieved and we never will because they were excluded due to having the wrong ancestors.
  
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  November 30, 2023 10:11am
  - Jack5
    
    Do Maori and, now ethnic Pacific Islanders, want preference at medical schools for the health of their people?
    
    In the case of ethnic Pacific Islanders in NZ …
    
    Save the babies, get up the average life span up – for people, many of whom were born overseas, and haven’t adjusted completely to new food, new climate, and Western lifestyle.
    
    Or is the call for university preference truly the social status Western societies give medical doctors?
    
    Regardless, in the article that Maggy Wassilieff points to, the writer, a medical doctor who identifies as a New Zealand ethnic Pacific Islander, gives a warning about racial entry policies: “… touch them at your – our – peril.”
    
    Your peril? Over medical-school entry?
    
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    November 30, 2023 10:31am
    - Ra Henare
      
      The majority of her article was about cultural support . I don’t actuallu have a problem with that,
      
      Dont actually have a problem with a percentage of entries allocated for Maori/Pacifica either (given they pass the real entry qualification) 30%!!!!!!!!!
      
      My problem is allowing a lower entry level.
      IS that dumbing down NZ Health.
      
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      November 30, 2023 4:20pm
- Swifty
  
  If I was PI I’d be telling that woman to shut up.
  
  Imagine telling the world that among all NZ’s immigrants, there is one group that is special needs.
  
  That there is one and only one immigrant group that can’t make it on their own.
  
  How embarrassing. How humiliating.
  
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  November 30, 2023 10:14am
- Burtland
  
  “Equity means delivering justice and fairness. Disestablishing an equity intervention programme, such as the University of Auckland’s Māori and Pacific Admission Scheme, for access to our medical schools will do harm. I know this because I am an Afakasi Samoan doctor, specialising in paediatrics and equity. And I am a product of this programme.”
  
  and there we have it, “equity intervention programme … I am a product of this programme” – the neo marxist cancer is alive and well in the medial schools.
  
  Choose a NZ trained doctor at your peril
  
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  November 30, 2023 10:21am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Choose a NZ trained doctor at your peril
    
    I’m more than happy with the quality and attention my family have received from NZ trained doctors.
    
    It’s usually a random assortment of take who is available down at the medical centre.
    
    Hubby was seen by a MAPS graduate when he showed angina symptoms earlier this year…and was immediately processed for bypass surgery. Back in Gizzy he is more than happy to be under the eye of the MAPS grad doctor.
    
    We need a system in NZ where all folks who qualify for entry to Med School are well supported… and we need to investigate why some schools do not prepare their obviously capable students adequately for Med school entry.
    
    From what I can gather most folks who enter Med School through the MAPS scheme have needed extra tuition in Maths/physics/Chemistry/study methods.
    
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    November 30, 2023 11:14am
    - cmm
      
      “From what I can gather most folks who enter Med School through the MAPS scheme have needed extra tuition in Maths/physics/Chemistry/study methods.”
      
      That’s not too bad, except that after all this investment there is undoubtedly also some pressure on the testing and examinations etc to get them to pass.
      
      Once you start fiddling with the system then it undoes the credibility of the qualifications.
      
      Why should any patient believe that a Maori doctor is as good as a non-Maori? The worst impact here is that it will undermine credibility in the Maori who could have succeeded on a level playing field.
      
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      November 30, 2023 11:45am
    - rouppe
      
      Just googled “angina symptoms”. I have a bunch of those symptoms. Been bounced around the system for over a year now.
      
      Currently in the queue for an angiogram, but who knows when that will happen. Not this year, anyway.
      
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      November 30, 2023 1:21pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Rouppe
        
        Next time you feel bad ring an ambulance mate. They are brilliant and will take you to hospital for all the scans.
        Good luck
        
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        November 30, 2023 2:47pm
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      I imagine a MAPS graduate is an expert cartographer.
      To have my very rapid heart rate checked I went not to a cartographer but a cardiologist.
      
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      November 30, 2023 2:34pm
- I remember when
  
  Equity does not mean allowing for Maori or Pacifica quotas without measuring individual circumstances.
  Equity means recognising individual imbalances and acknowledging and making adjustments to counter them, regardless of race or gender.
  
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  November 30, 2023 10:25am
- Cassandra
  
  It’s nonsense, isn’t it? Why should a person of Samoan ancestry get priority over me? My community – working class Otahuhu – has just as many disadvantaged people as hers. More actually. Difference is that I’m of European descent. F she arguing that all medical care should be segregated? Interesting concept. I consulted a Māori locum who failed to diagnose a squamous cell carcinoma, with devastating consequences, so perhaps there’s something to that viewpoint.
  
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  November 30, 2023 11:08am
Yvette

I just hope Winston does not run out of steam before he gets to Maori-only Mana o te Wai statements.
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November 30, 2023 9:46am
Littletramp

Long form interviews/discussions of value take time to find due to the risk of suffering through 1/2/3 hours of worthless dribble.
This one is a gem, between 2 huge brains discussing a wide range of topics relevant to the world today.
It is 3 hrs 15 mins (topic segments are indexed) and worth the time if you have it, but for a taste start from 2 hrs 11 mins (social media) and just do not miss the final rant from Weinstein from 3 hr mark to the end – pure gold.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJxBnSyH0T4&t=7634s
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November 30, 2023 9:52am
- NothingLeft
  
  Eric Weinstein is amazingly inciteful in his view of society in the 2020’s. And Chris Williamson is the best intellectual interviewer in the world. This is a podcast you could and perhaps should re-listen to multiple times over next year or two.
  
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  November 30, 2023 11:16am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The left are getting more desperate by the day, throwing everything they can at Trump.
MSNBC said that Trump was seeking a “life term” in 2024, suggesting that Trump will not leave office if re-elected.
One problem. There is this one thing called the “Constitution.” Trump will never mess with that.
https://pantsonfirenews.com/msnbc-host-fired-off-one-trump-2024-prediction-that-will-have-you-rolling-your-eyes/?
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November 30, 2023 9:56am
Maggy Wassilieff

Kiri Allan’s Court Case now held over to Feb 1st.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/former-justice-minister-kiri-allan-pleads-not-guilty-to-careless-use-of-motor-vehicle.html
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November 30, 2023 10:10am
- krazykiwi
  
  Being drunk and causing an accident is the definition of careless, if not reckless driving. I suspect she was charged with the lesser crime to ensure a conviction. I really hope she is convicted.
  
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  November 30, 2023 10:26am
- Bobba Fret
  
  How can you plead not guilty to careless use of a motor vehicle when you have driven in to a parked car!
  
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  November 30, 2023 10:48am
  - RoboRob
    
    Reminds me of the guy punching someone saying ‘stop smashing your face into my fist’ 🙂
    
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    November 30, 2023 11:13am
  - Ghost
    
    She has pleaded not guilty because police ignored her request to speak to a lawyer
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/kiri-allan-car-crash-former-justice-minister-explains-why-shes-pleading-not-guilty-to-car-crash-charges/QVKEJEBHJJCRDEBOWWDY4KDJ7E/
    
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    November 30, 2023 12:21pm
    - rouppe
      
      The obvious thing is that the right to a lawyer doesn’t apply from the moment of arrest.
      
      It applies from being charged, which happens at the station. This is so you can get representation before being tried in court.
      
      I mean, can you imagine if police had to hold and detain you on the street until a lawyer could be brought to the place of the offence. Ridiculous.
      
      But then judges are making some pretty dumb decisions lately.
      
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      November 30, 2023 1:09pm
      - Ghost
        
        You can talk to a free lawyer at any time of the day or night when:
        
        you’ve been arrested
        
        you’re being held (detained) without being arrested, for example if you’re being searched for illegal drugs or weapons
        
        the police are questioning you about an offence they suspect you’ve committed and they’ve told you that you have the right to talk to a lawyer.
        
        Link
        
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        November 30, 2023 1:13pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        I don’t know where you got those ideas from.
        
        I mean, can you imagine if police had to hold and detain you on the street until a lawyer could be brought to the place of the offence. Ridiculous.
        
        Being detained is a specific legal power. It’s not the same as the police merely asking you what you’ve just witnessed or if you’ve seen something suspicious.
        
        The police can only detain you when the law says they can, else you are free to go. So being detained means you are under the same control as if you were arrested because if you refuse to be detained you will be arrested for not complying with a lawful order.
        
        It’s such an important power that it is illegal to arbitrarily detain someone. It’s forbidden by the Bill of Rights.
        
        Under those circumstances it is not ridiculous at all to have the right to legal counsel.
        
        https://communitylaw.org.nz/community-law-manual/chapter-30-police-powers/being-arrested-or-detained-held-by-the-police-their-powers-and-your-rights/when-the-police-arrest-or-detain-you-your-rights-and-their-duties/
        
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        November 30, 2023 1:51pm
      - rouppe
        
        Hmmmm. Well I’ll stand corrected, though it’s still not clear to me how you can speak to a lawyer in private while standing on Courtney place.
        
        I would expect that you are “required to accompany them for the purposes of an evidential breath test or blood test” but that you can request a lawyer before taking that test. Of you try to do that on the street then you have no control over them.
        
        Anyhoo, I guess we’ll find out all in good time
        
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        November 30, 2023 6:25pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It suggests to me that it is yet another example of her bullying.
      
      She was Min of Justice, she’d been drinking, she’d crashed her car, and she was arguing the toss about accompanying the Cops to the Police station.
      
      The cops were just doing their job….
      
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      November 30, 2023 7:21pm
- kevn
  
  Maggy… Gives her time and some clear media free air to get the new consultancy up and running, plenty of iwi work pending no doubt.
  
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  November 30, 2023 11:22am
- cmm
  
  The stupid person should plead guilty and take their lumps.
  That’s the best way to take it out of the media.
  
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  November 30, 2023 11:47am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Peters and Seymour have put the handbrake on the attempt by activist Maori to take over the Country?

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/the-psychology-of-takeover-how-maori-nearly-managed-to-take-over-the-country/
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November 30, 2023 10:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  https://issuu.com/esisite/docs/the_psychology_of_takeover_rejig?fr=xKAE9_zU1NQ
  
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  November 30, 2023 10:27am
BananaLlama

Our Legacy Media must have some idea by now that they are widely despised by the general public. No idea why they are trying to go to war with absolutely everyone at the same time other than rampant narcissism.
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November 30, 2023 10:15am
- Blog-aholic
  
  They have little choice now. They dug the foxhole, they hopped into it and now they are going to defend it come hell or high water.
  
  What they have not realised is that mortar barrages will always hunt men in foxholes until they are empty.
  
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  November 30, 2023 10:33am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Blog-aholic – oh yes! I’m very much looking forward to the next year, after almost 4 years of being censored, de-platformed, slandered and gaslit.
    
    These people deserve everything that they get, except the money. They are overpaid hacks and shills.
    
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    November 30, 2023 10:58am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Popcorn time. Makes for good Christmas gifts. Buy double for lefties!
      
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      November 30, 2023 11:12am
- Ra Henare
  
  I suspect your generalisation of the General Public despising the Legacy media is probably generally untrue.
  Maybe in your bubble, but certainly not in the “”little old lady”” category and I suspect others.
  
  Views by KB commenters reflect lest than 100 people!!!
  
  It would be interesting if our host published some stats.
  ie
  how many have signed up to KB
  How many active readers/views
  How many commenters!!!!!!!!
  
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  November 30, 2023 4:31pm
  - Paul
    
    “I suspect your generalisation of the General Public despising the Legacy media is probably generally untrue.”
    That is 100% correct. Most are looking at Legacy Media daily. The News, the Weather, Gossip.
    So few are thinkers, not followers.
    
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    November 30, 2023 9:01pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Theology is not really my thing…and I know there’s big gaps in my history knowledge, so could some enlightened soul explain to me why the increasing rate of Maori atheists “adds new layers of complexity to who the Treaty partner is.”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/503554/maori-atheism-on-the-rise-legacy-of-colonisation-driving-decline-in-traditional-christian-beliefs
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November 30, 2023 10:31am
- thirteenstars
  
  If we see ourselves progressing as a “bi-cultural” Treaty / Tiriti-enhanced nation, it stands to reason we need to be able to identify the two cultures clearly.
  
  But there is the opportunity to develop more quickly without identity “membership” based on religious affiliation or non-affiliation.
  
  Within the community, there is a spectrum of views about the significance of religious or spiritual beliefs to Māori identity.
  
  It adds “complexity” because a “bi-cultural” political structure requires categorising the population into two groups, Maori and non-Maori. It’s a separatist ideology, inflexible and unaccommodating. Quite brittle, in fact. The opposite of pluralistic.
  
  The Nazis had the same problem. They tried to solve it with the Nuremberg Laws, et al.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws
  
  If you’re going to have separatism you need to have a mechanism for separating. So you end up with sinister discussions about not only what physical characteristics define a person but what beliefs and opinions define them.
  
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  November 30, 2023 11:17am
- nathie
  
  According to a Māori chap in the clergy, young Māori brought up in the Kura kaupapa Māori-language immersion schools can be taught that Christianity is bad (Colonialism etc) and of course they embrace Māori mythology (Gods etc).
  
  Traditional Christian churches will have older generations of Māori (and Pakeha & so on) but declining number of younger generations of Māori, particularly in the cities/urban environments. Perhaps/partially because of this.
  
  Which is a shame, considering the accusations of “colonialism” and “suppression” against (1800’s) Christianity by modern day activists (rather than embrace diversity of thought and practice of their shared history etc).
  
  I feel these people are also disrespecting their ancestors who voluntarily embraced Christianity and its tenets of compassion, forgiveness and equality etc.
  
  Exactly the sorts of things that many Maori of the time welcomed … no-more (or less) inter-tribal conflict (death) or slavery and so on.
  
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  November 30, 2023 1:10pm
Argonath

Hi everyone, if you want some hilarity check out the trailer for Daily Wire’s new movie coming out soon called “Lady Ballers”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py2MzGtmaJ0
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November 30, 2023 10:37am
Vinicius

The Associate Health Minister Casey Costello hit back at the hysteria about scrapping the cigarette sales ban legislation.

“You’re talking about reversing the amendments to the legislation because we just think it’s bad legislation and that’s the reality; this isn’t about walking away from smokefree, it’s not about walking away from reducing smoking addiction – nicotine addiction – it’s about practical, workable legislation that will actually have some impact.”

Full interview is on Newshub with Ryan Bridge here:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/smokefree-legislation-scrapping-narrative-has-got-away-on-itself-associate-health-minister-casey-costello.html
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November 30, 2023 10:47am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Yes all true but the media narrative is way more inciteful and sells more papers than the truth.
  
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  November 30, 2023 10:57am
Benedict Yu

So Julie Anne Genter thinks that if a male Wellington Mayor was repeatedly seen drunk in public everyone would be fine with it?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/301017781/live-tory-whanau-facing-unfair-double-standard-julieanne-genter-says
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November 30, 2023 10:56am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Ex Auckland mayor Len Brown believed to have also expressed his support
  for Tory Whanau 😛
  
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  November 30, 2023 11:09am
  - Keith White
    
    Both motions were tabled?
    
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    November 30, 2023 11:45am
  - Paul
    
    Most likely support for Whanau’s seeming impropriety? Let’s get together, thinks Len!
    
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    November 30, 2023 9:08pm
- RoboRob
  
  Imagine the difference in coverage of this if she was a white, man from a right wing party. There would be howls of outrage rather then calls to ‘support her through this difficult period’.
  
  Honeymoon period for the new government, zero days. Honeymood period for Green mayor, unlimited.
  
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  November 30, 2023 11:16am
- kowtow
  
  Ah the Greens playing the misogyny card and women as victims .
  
  Unless of course they happen to be female Israeli victims of Hamas , PIJ and any number of other terrorists and gangsters from Gaza.
  
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  November 30, 2023 11:18am
  - Flossie
    
    Playing the Maori Wahine Toa card. Misogyny just doesn’t cover the very, very unfair treatment those women receive//
    
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    November 30, 2023 1:07pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Genter implies that it’s common, but doesn’t bother giving us examples of drunken males being give a free run by anyone in NZ?
  
  The liberal left in NZ live in lala land.
  
  The alliteration was accidental……..
  
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  November 30, 2023 11:24am
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

If anybody is hoping this gummit will be different to the previous gummit, they are the ones waiting to get the keys of their kiwibuild homes.
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November 30, 2023 11:04am
- Blog-aholic
  
  You are funny.
  
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  November 30, 2023 11:29am
- Paul
  
  You have become obsolete, Nostradamus.
  
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  November 30, 2023 9:10pm
Hugh Jarse

Will the Wellington Police and the Wellington District Licensing teams now investigate the presence of and potential serving of alcohol to an obviously intoxicated person in the Cuba Street restaurant in regard to their alcohol harm reduction policies ?. If not why not ?.
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November 30, 2023 11:18am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Apparently it was soo bad, Tory had to ask the Waiter who she was.
  
  😀
  
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  November 30, 2023 11:50am
  - mandk
    
    clever
    
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    November 30, 2023 11:54am
  - sungsamning
    
    Priceless.
    
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    November 30, 2023 5:04pm
Libertarians are right

On the weekend a young kid (12ish maybe) went to the Chiefs game in red and black face paint with a full Indian headdress.

A “reporter” tried to get the NFL to ban the kid for black face (because he only used a photo showing the black side of the kid’s face – despite there being plenty of front on photos) and for cultural appropriation.

It turns out that the kid’s Grand Father is an elder in the local tribe.

What is going on with these grown adults feeling the need to destroy kids to prove their superiority?
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November 30, 2023 11:25am
- Ghost
  
  Wow, just read the Article
  
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  November 30, 2023 12:08pm
kevn

Now, about the 33 million dollar building in Auckland purchsed only recently by labour, as a hub for their proposed, but bound to never break a sod, virtually dead, light rail project. Why ‘wood’ they?
Another expensive labour time bomb for Luxon to manage.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/auckland-light-rail-agrees-to-buy-kingslands-kiwi-bacon-building-for-33m/XYYNNY4HZFG5BN4HB5Z63DQY4M/
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November 30, 2023 11:30am
- Blog-aholic
  
  They are not going to be able to bring home the bacon then?
  
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  November 30, 2023 11:42am
  - kevn
    
    Blog… The real estate agent did though. 33 mil deal.
    
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    November 30, 2023 12:05pm
Maggie Pie

Watching the news last night and hadn’t even realised convicted rapist and murderer David Wayne Tamihere had appealed his conviction after being found guilty of the murder of Swedish tourists Urban Hoglin and Heidi Paakkonen.
Seeing those photos of Heidi sent a chill down my spine.
Young, beautiful, petite, long legs, blonde. There but for the grace of God.

TBH, my partner remembers the case better than me.
Reckons it’s going to be an interesting one to follow. He thort Tamihere’s appeal may have had a better chance of success had Labor won the election and been in coalition with Te Party Maori.
But who knows.
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November 30, 2023 11:45am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  What Maggie – Labour lost?? When I listen and read the bribed up media it appears that Chippie is still the PM….
  
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  November 30, 2023 11:54am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes i know – just heard the news @ noon on ZB.
    They actually led with Chris Hipkins announcing his new shadow cabinet.
    
    Like anyone could give a fcuk. LOL!!
    
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    November 30, 2023 12:10pm
    - Ghost
      
      Come on Maggie, it was a good story. They are going to focus on child poverty. They’ve focused on that for 6 years so god only knows what they will do now. I guess blame national for labour’s failures.
      
      In breaking news, John Campbell is talking tonight to a young high school looking boy living out of a car while working, missing out on school to feed his family. Chris, can you tell us how you ended up in a car, behind a bakery, eating sausage rolls out of the bin?
      
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      November 30, 2023 12:16pm
- Kiwiguy
  
  I have friends and family living in the Coromandel who have experience dealing with the Tamihere family. They do NOT have a good reputation in the area at all. Utter rogues & crooks, to put it mildly.
  
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  November 30, 2023 12:08pm
- wsk12345
  
  Listen to the GUILT podcast which has just done a series (Finding Heidi) on the murders of the Swedes. Based on new evidence and some that the police were not interested in at the time, it appears Police got so much wrong in the circumstantial case that while Tamahere was most likely involved, he might get to appeal.
  
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  November 30, 2023 1:33pm
  - Notsofast
    
    Tamihere stole the car by unlocking with wire and using the spare key in the glove box. He drove with backpackers for 2 days exchanging tour guide for board.
    One thing about bros John and David, they have respectable high iq, the family was good.
    He told police he broke in, they took him there in cuffs to demonstrate, and he did it in a matter of seconds, so 100% plausible. On the police theory he had no need to break into the car, and was driving around with a reasonable expectation to be pulled over for driving the missing persons’ car.
    The facts are simple, and the killer is known, confessed on his death bed.
    David Tamihere is a terrible human being but innocent of the rap. There is an 800 page hand written tome he wrote waiting to be transcribed.
    
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    November 30, 2023 2:04pm
    - Kiwiguy
      
      Tell us more about this killer who confessed on his deathbed? Is there a link we can read?
      
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      November 30, 2023 8:15pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And this from Stuffed is interesting….
    
    https://stuff.co.nz/national/crime/4343740/Tamihere-to-be-freed-today-after-20-years
    
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    November 30, 2023 2:05pm
    - Notsofast
      
      Note the challenge revealing where Heidi’s body is. Like asking Mark Lundy where he biffed the axe.
      The people and the families have been shafted by the police judges and politicians.
      Science, logic and common sense are the only resource needed to see how society gets tied up in knots.
      
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      November 30, 2023 2:27pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Oooh, let’s play.
      Here’s my take:
      Lundy – guilty
      Barlow – guilty
      Bain – guilty
      Watson- guilty
      Tamihere – guilty
      
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      November 30, 2023 4:06pm
      - Notsofast
        
        Correct answers.
        Lundy innocent
        Barlow hired a contract killer
        Bain innocent
        Watson ?
        Tamihere innocent.
        
        You played and lost.
        
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        November 30, 2023 4:49pm
      - Swifty
        
        Bain – as guilty as sin. No question. The idea that the old man did it is preposterous and not supported by the facts. David however, all the evidence points to him.
        Barlow – unquestionably guilty. Didn’t cover his tracks well enough.
        Lundy – guilty, did his family with an axe.
        
        The others I have no opinion on.
        
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        November 30, 2023 7:17pm
      - Paul
        
        mikenmildagain-guilty of hacking human mentality, exploiting decency, guilty of seeking comfort in debased criticism, thwap, thwap thwap!
        
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        November 30, 2023 9:18pm
Scooter

Just noticed I’m now able to access the Newshub site (previously was not able to as overseas). Not that it’s a site I want or need to access but interesting, has access from overseas been unblocked by the new govt?
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November 30, 2023 12:06pm
Swifty

“Ours is a team brimming with talent….”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/503581/labour-party-leader-chris-hipkins-reveals-new-shadow-cabinet

Snigger.
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November 30, 2023 12:37pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  ……when the brim isn’t high then the talent pool is pretty shallow…..
  
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  November 30, 2023 12:50pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Toilets have brims.
    
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    November 30, 2023 3:07pm
- mandk
  
  Labour’s top 10 looks more like a roll call of failures:
  1. Chris Hipkins – leader
  2. Carmel Sepuloni – welfare, Pacific Peoples, Auckland issues
  3. Grant Robertson – finance and racing
  4. Megan Woods – climate change and energy
  5. Willie Jackson – Māori development, broadcasting, employment
  6. Ayesha Verrall – health, public service and Wellington
  7. Kieran McAnulty – Shadow Leader of the House, housing, regional and local government
  8. Willow-Jean Prime – children and youth
  9. Ginny Andersen – police, violence prevention, social investment
  10. Jan Tinetti – education and women
  
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  November 30, 2023 1:08pm
  - nathie
    
    All of them … are well known “tellers of porkies” (to put it mildly) and were constantly caught out telling said porkies during their media press interviews. All of them!
    
    1) Don’t think NZ’ers will be impressed.
    2) How come the MSM aren’t discrediting them (in the same way they discredit the Right if they were caught out telling porkies)?
    
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    November 30, 2023 1:20pm
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    . Labour will now go into its traditional coma for the next 12 years while in opposition. They will go to Parliament for the airpoints and the free food. They will get caught out when finally voted in and be found to have done no policy development and need to form 300 working groups to advise them on how to go forward just like they did in 2017. The best paid job this bunch of grifters will ever have.
    
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    November 30, 2023 2:32pm
    - Ghost
      
      Or in 2026 with the problems still hanging over this country from the ardern government are then blamed by the public on national we may see labour elected to govern again.
      
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      November 30, 2023 2:48pm
- rouppe
  
  I’m sure he meant “Our team are talented rimmers”
  
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  November 30, 2023 4:01pm
Iamright

Labour line up. David Parker not even in the top 10? Looks like he won’t be around for long. And Chippy didn’t get that nickname for nothing listening to Him having a snipe at the PM.
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November 30, 2023 12:43pm
Suze Wainwright

Can anyone else see the irony in the artwork that Teri O’Neill is trying to promote?
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November 30, 2023 12:52pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Maybe she is missing something in her life……?
  
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  November 30, 2023 1:39pm
Maggy Wassilieff

So It’s a matter of (legal) principle that Kiri Allan is pleading not guilty…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/kiri-allan-car-crash-former-justice-minister-explains-why-shes-pleading-not-guilty-to-car-crash-charges/QVKEJEBHJJCRDEBOWWDY4KDJ7E/

NZ Herald running Kiri’s side of the story with nary a mention of her being over the legal breath alcohol limit for driving .
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November 30, 2023 1:03pm
- nathie
  
  With Kiri Allan wanting to be a test case does this mean that she will be infamously remembered forever as a drunk-driver that crashed her car (and other shenanigans such as walking away from her crashed car leaving it in the middle of the road) as future generations of lawyers studying at University learn about her test case?
  
  Kiri, what are you thinking! Just plead guilty and get it over and done with and save yourself from a lifetime of further regret!
  
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  November 30, 2023 1:28pm
- Hard Cheese
  
  Surely if you’re intoxicated you’re probably not in the best state to interpret the advice of a lawyer anyway….
  
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  November 30, 2023 2:54pm
- Paul
  
  Apparently she was drinking with an associate, who let her drive, she slammed into a 2 Tonne SUV with her little car and moved it a full car length.
  Survived, being pissed, left the scene.
  Cultural Report pending from Harry Tam!
  
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  November 30, 2023 9:23pm
Maggie Pie

So, Kiri pleads not guilty because she believes she’s discovered a ‘grey area’ in the law whereby the police prevented her from being able to contact a lawyer.

Wait a minit……I thort she is one?

https://twitter.com/ThavasRas/status/1730004331989192890
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November 30, 2023 1:07pm
- kowtow
  
  Call me a cynic but her having been a senior member of a govt that rode rough shot over our rights ( and equality) playing the legal martyr sits very badly .
  
  “Universities teach at Law Schools that all laws should be clear, should be accessible to all New Zealander, not just legal professionals. This is particularly so when it comes to fundamental rights, contained in the Bill of Rights Act, which relates directly to the rights and liberties of all citizens of this country.
  
  “Most New Zealanders would agree that both those that enforce the law, and those that are subject to the law, when it comes to rights impacting on the liberty of people to not be arbitrarily arrested or detained should be black and white. The fact that it is not should be of great concern to every person in this country who believes in democracy and civil liberties,”
  
  Source ODT.
  
  Question . Was she not breath tested that night . If not why not.
  
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  November 30, 2023 2:09pm
  - rouppe
    
    Her complaint is that the law might suggest she has the right to consult a lawyer at the roadside.
    
    Which is patently stupid.
    
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    November 30, 2023 3:55pm
    - kowtow
      
      She’s chucked the race card in there too.
      
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      November 30, 2023 4:26pm
    - Local Miller
      
      I think not only stupid, but the presidents are so well established by now that there’s no way it’s going to go very far. Possibly she’s trying to get the case thrown out based on either bad law or her not getting her call to her lawyer.
      I can’t see this working.
      
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      November 30, 2023 8:19pm
Chuck Bird

More on Cory

Wellington City Councillor Nicola Young reacts to Mayor Tory Whanau’s drunken incident

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io6TQt2WRnw
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November 30, 2023 2:05pm
- kowtow
  
  The guest said the code of conduct ‘lacked teeth’ ……..just as well , sounds like you might get gummed there , instead of a bite ……..
  
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  November 30, 2023 2:22pm
  - nathie
    
    Ah … pull the other one!
    
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    November 30, 2023 5:04pm
thirteenstars

Last night the Oakland City Council voted on a resolution to call for a ceasefire.

A city council member tried to insert language condemning Hamas.

This was the reaction…

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1729630529199432095

Any doubt these useful idiots were educated at the indoctrination centres known as public universities?
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November 30, 2023 2:28pm
- kowtow
  
  No doubt the speakers are from the antifa mob.
  
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  November 30, 2023 2:55pm
- kevn
  
  13… All masked up, there is the standard.
  
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  November 30, 2023 3:41pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Oakland borders the far-left nutjob factory of Berkley, and houses a lot of terminally woke young San Francisco workforce. Unsurprisingly it is also the 3rd most violent city in california.
  
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  November 30, 2023 3:54pm
kowtow

Have the haters no shame at all.

This is not civilised behaviour.

‘Special delegation of families of Israeli hostages and victims blocked from entering Melbourne hotel by pro-Palestine protesters yelling, waving flags in lobby’

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/special-delegation-of-families-of-israeli-hostages-and-victims-blocked-from-entering-melbourne-hotel-by-propalestine-protesters-yelling-waving-flags-in-lobby/news-story/0d38e84e1194eadb081babf5fe39d4d6
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November 30, 2023 2:32pm
Tauhei Notts

No comments today on what a wonderful programme Sean Plunket had on The Platform this morning.
If we had a half decent Fourth Estate his Platform would not be needed. We don’t. The Platform is essential if one wants to be informed.
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November 30, 2023 2:56pm
Sparrow

Kiri will be found not guilty. As the Treaty gives her the right to be inebriated as a subject of Queen Victoria. This ruling was made by all the attendees at the Duke of Marlborough in 1840.
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November 30, 2023 3:16pm
Maggie Pie

THE-MOTHER-OF-ALL-REVELATIONS 🙁

Winston asks…..
Exactly what WERE THEY putting into peoples bodies?

https://rumble.com/v3ynskd-operation-m.o.a.r-mother-of-all-revelations.html
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November 30, 2023 3:33pm
- kevn
  
  With some words…
  https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/news/whistleblower-reveals-irrefutable-evidence-of-non-covid-excess-mortality/
  
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  November 30, 2023 4:23pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Very interesting isnt it kevie.
    All needs to be sent to NZF for their inquiry.
    
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    November 30, 2023 4:52pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Yes, send in as many whacko articles as possible.
      
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      November 30, 2023 4:57pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        What David Garrett said. LOL!!
        
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        November 30, 2023 5:04pm
      - kevn
        
        mma… said the boy from the Hutt/Petone. Inconvenient facts aren’t they.
        
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        November 30, 2023 5:37pm
Ghost

Henry Kissinger obituary
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November 30, 2023 3:49pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Funnily enough one of the girls from tennis txt me earlier to see if I knew he was.
  Told her i didn’t have the faintest tbh. It’s been all over twitter.
  
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  November 30, 2023 4:08pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I assume you are younger than 30. Fair enough I guess.
    
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    November 30, 2023 4:12pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Thx Bene!
      Altho FYI…. i was a grandmother at 36 😛
      
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      November 30, 2023 4:18pm
      - Paul
        
        Go forth and multiply, Maggie, your type fetches a premium! Bene got cancelled awhile back, not withstanding that he is a a good, true Citizen, worthy of respect. He is Conservative Man, you are a Romantic.
        
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        November 30, 2023 9:37pm
  - mogg
    
    “Henry Kissinger how I’m missing yer,
    cause you’ve got better legs than Hitler
    and bigger tits than Cher”
    
    https://youtu.be/wF6NNUrQCRE?si=g-AJrPHcLdkJ-Dhn
    
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    November 30, 2023 5:33pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  My Greek friend says “good riddance”. The way he sucked up to that deplorable Colonels’ Regime, led by Papadopoulos in 1967-74 was totally nauseating. She (my friend) had been involved in that Athens Polytechnic protest in November 1973, when they brought the tanks in.
  
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  November 30, 2023 4:26pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Just one of his many murderous schemes.
    
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    November 30, 2023 4:47pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Cambodia, Chile, Greece etc on one side.
      
      China rapprochement, nuclear agreements with Russia, Egypt-Israel peace agreements on the other.
      
      Vietnam somewhere in between.
      
      Hard to pin down whether he was good or evil.
      
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      November 30, 2023 5:55pm
- virtualmark
  
  It was the vax.
  
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  November 30, 2023 5:53pm
Ghost

Could get interesting Piers Morgan reveals
King Charlie and Catherine are the two that asked about the skin colour of Harry’s child.
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November 30, 2023 4:10pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Was all just part of the big charade for public distraction.
  The kids are surrogate gingas.
  Meghan wore a moonbump during both fakeancys.
  It was all revealed on twitter ages ago.
  
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  November 30, 2023 4:41pm
- Paul
  
  They all did, surprising that you revert to your normal role as repeater without understanding basic Human Psychology and Media Ethics.
  Who cannot exist beyond Headlines Ghost?
  Snippets of truth are not Truth!
  They all talked about it, are you stupid?
  
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  November 30, 2023 9:50pm
Chris Nisbet

Legacy media in NZ can’t be trusted.
Change my mind.
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November 30, 2023 4:17pm
Benedict Yu

I am so pleased that they killed this terrible policy off completely.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/133375247/national-kills-off-clean-car-discount-scheme-ev-advocates-respond

I was afraid they would introduce some half way house where they only exempted the tax for utes owned “for legitimate purposes” as Jacinda famously worded things.

Good job.
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November 30, 2023 4:24pm
- sungsamning
  
  Good, I saw an EV in Westfield, on the way to the office with a notice about the ‘clean car rebate’. I’m glad its a goner.
  
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  November 30, 2023 5:16pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Anyone who buys the ‘clean car’ malarkey needs to be shown pics of
  – the diesel powered charging stations in the US
  – the car freighter ships burning and billowing more smoke than Eyjafjallajökull
  – the environmental pollution (and human misery) caused by mining various rare earths.
  
  Ideology blinds them to the truth, I suspect.
  
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  November 30, 2023 5:39pm
greybeard

From the “Where are they now?” files:
1. Bevan Cheung ( Len Brown’s girlfriend ). Still in Auckland ?
2. Ramraiders. These seem to have disappeared about the same time as the General Election was held. Very strange.
3. The Queenstown polluted water problem. This quietly ( and quickly ) faded from public view, suggesting it was not what it was portrayed.
5. Trevor Mallard: has anyone heard anything at all about him? What has he been doing in Ireland to promote NZ ( in a positive way ) ?

[Mod – keep politicians children out of it]
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November 30, 2023 5:35pm
- krazykiwi
  
  [Mod – keep politicians children out of it]
  
  [Mod – not up for debate, we are not bringing a politicians child into it here]
  
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  November 30, 2023 5:41pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    [Mod – not up for debate, we are not bringing children into it]
    
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    November 30, 2023 6:07pm
- Paul
  
  Bevan is doing well, employed within the Council and well decorated with fame.
  
  RAM raiders are finally being detained
  
  Queenstown negligence could have been solved by any number of resident billionaires stepping up to the plate, which they did not.
  
  Overseas Postings are never anything other than Diplomatic, which means shussh!
  
  Hope that helps.
  
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  November 30, 2023 9:57pm
krazykiwi

Here is Musk as his unfiltered best: Tells boycotting advertisers that they can go f*ck themselves. Twice.
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November 30, 2023 6:08pm
info@cruzpro.com

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/301018279/te-awamutu-man-sentenced-after-falsely-claiming-30k-of-covid-benefit

This article doesn’t say whether this person has to pay back the $30,000 he stole from taxpayers. No jail time, only home detention.
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November 30, 2023 6:12pm
Local Miller

I had to laugh at Chris Hipkins talking about Chris Luxon’s “inability to answer questions”.
I thin he was getting confused with “inability to answer questions by dodging, diverting, lying, and simply ignoring the originals question”, which seemed to be Liebour’s usual style.
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November 30, 2023 7:09pm
krazykiwi

If anyone is as perplexed as I am …. I was NOT bringing politicians children into any comment as suggested above. I’m smart enough to know that’s a breech of policy. Very, very odd.
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November 30, 2023 7:17pm
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  I think the mods should have to include their KB IDs so they can be made to own their moderation. As KK has said, he doesn’t believe he was brining politician’s children into the comments, but we have no way of knowing the truth either way. I tend to side with KK given what I’ve seen of his posts, but we’ll never know because the Mods are effectively a law unto themselves.
  Isn’t there a way to raise unreasonable moderation with the editor?
  
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  November 30, 2023 8:46pm
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    Hold those thoughts, LM. I’m not done yet.
    
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    November 30, 2023 9:19pm
Inandout

Ever wondered why the US border is open to all and Dem cities are sinking under debt? And just this week the Irish are being dumped on by authorities after the attack by a maniac on a family in Dublin. This Tucker/Bannon discussion is an eye opener.
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/11/28/tucker-carlson-and-steve-bannon-join-to-warn-americans-about-dire-future-1415638/
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November 30, 2023 8:21pm
Jack5

Another indication State-owned Radio NZ has moved from the reporters’ press tables and on to the political debating stage …

A reprinted article on its web site defends State payouts from the Public Interest Journalism Fund. It includes a picture of Labour’s Wily-Willie Jackson replying to Deputy Prime Minister Peters.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/503620/is-winston-peters-right-to-call-state-funded-journalism-bribery-or-is-there-a-bigger-threat-to-democracy
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November 30, 2023 8:32pm
Swifty

Oh, what could have been….

The Donald teaming up with Ngati Whatua.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gcI2d7pjuA0

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