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Scott

Newshub said yesterday that Winston Peters claim that the media were bribed by the $55m Public interest journalism fund is false.

But wasn’t it true that they took PIJF money which required them to take the view that the Treaty of Waitangi is a partnership?

And aren’t the news presenters editorialising when they say Peters is speaking falsely? Newshub “journalists” are like students making their own homework. They give themselves an A plus when many of us might give them an F.

Suffice to say that the YouTube comments are turned off. Can’t have the public saying what they think of the media’s bias over the last 6 years can we?
https://youtu.be/DI9pVuL2oH8?si=3NusvHohKbcdx3hS
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November 28, 2023 8:01am
- chuk
  
  Same problem with the red radio report this morning. There was zero discussion on the conditions for funding.
  
  It seems the bribe is still working.
  
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  November 28, 2023 8:29am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    It was reported a few months ago that there is a $ recovery clause in the PIJF funding contract if the media organisation ever subsequently breaches it.
    
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    November 28, 2023 8:39am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Chuk its not the bribe that’s still working its the shame of taking it. They know that the majority of NZs see them as corrupted and accepting of bribes but they are going to try the “clutched pearls, devastated you could even think that of us” approach. What you are actually witnessing in real time is a media beginning to realise that the gigs up and the public have seen behind the curtain. I expect they’ll become far more hysterical before it truly dawns on them that the ideology that they hitched their wagons to has been squarely rejected by the majority of this fair nations population and is never coming back.
    
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    November 28, 2023 10:29am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Probably more a green light to go full woketard propagandists than a bribe. This was eagerly embraced. There was extortion though. The threat to pay it all back(with interest?) if they didn’t carry out Stasi er I mean govt orders properly.
    
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    November 28, 2023 7:37pm
- Vinicius
  
  There is this information from the Ministry of Culture and Heritage about the PIJF.
  https://mch.govt.nz/media-sector-support/journalism-fund
  
  Importantly there is a link to a Cabinet paper about PIJF which discusses the reasons for implementing this policy.
  https://mch.govt.nz/sites/default/files/projects/investing_in%20sustainable_journalism_draw_down_of_tagged_contingence.pdf
  
  This quote is from the Executive Summary as one of the reasons for the PIJF (number 5):
  
  – The Government supports a viable fourth estate as a central feature of a
  healthy democracy. In this context Government support is required to ensure
  journalistic capability across local, regional and national newsrooms,
  infrastructure, and the continued production of New Zealand made content is
  retained. The spread of misinformation related to COVID-19, particularly
  through social media channels, has sharpened public awareness of the
  importance of, and reliance on, a strong and independent media sector.
  
  This could be interpreted as attempting to use the media to influence public opinion on Covid?
  
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  November 28, 2023 8:29am
  - Vinicius
    
    The NZ On Air Interim Report on the PIJF 2021-23 is here:
    https://d3r9t6niqlb7tz.cloudfront.net/media/documents/NZOA_PJIF_Interim_Report_FINAL.pdf
    
    On page 33 the goals of the PIJF are listed which includes:
    2. Provide accurate, accountable and fair coverage that reflects and empowers all sectors of the community, upholding the public’s right to know.
    3. Actively promote the principles of Partnership, Participation and Active Protection under Te Tiriti o Waitangi, acknowledging Māori as a Te Tiriti partner.
    
    For starters providing accurate, accountable and fair coverage isn’t what the MSM are good at.
    
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    November 28, 2023 9:02am
    - Ra Henare
      
      John Stuart Mill Great UK Philosopher/MP (worth a read on his history). some extracts on freedom of speech.
      
      Mill outlines the benefits of “searching for and discovering the truth” as a way to further knowledge. He argued that even if an opinion is false, the truth can be better understood by refuting the error.
      And as most opinions are neither completely true nor completely false, he points out that allowing free expression allows the airing of competing views as a way to preserve partial truth in various opinions.
      Worried about minority views being suppressed, he argued in support of freedom of speech on political grounds, stating that it is a critical component for a representative government to have to empower debate over public policy.
      
      He repeatedly said that eccentricity was preferable to uniformity and stagnation.
      
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      November 28, 2023 2:38pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The media were absolutely used, not just to influence public opinion, but to mould it and shape it, to totally control it.
    
    It has been a masterclass in propaganda and narrative control. It’s being more rapidly exposed every day. The media role as shills for 30 pieces of silver won’t be forgotten.
    
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    November 28, 2023 9:12am
    - Matt Long
      
      Jenna Lynch would like you to know the media are leftist trollops, not Labour’s whores.
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/jenna-lynch-analysis-winston-peters-baseless-accusation-of-media-bribery-is-unbecoming-of-a-deputy-pm.html
      
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      November 28, 2023 9:22am
      - sungsamning
        
        I’ve been watching YT snippets of the fake news crying into their soy lattes recently. Excellent entertainment.
        
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        November 28, 2023 11:58am
    - alwyn.a
      
      I can’t see why they felt that they needed to bribe journalists to push the Labour Government agenda. The journalists of today all push the correct line without any need to pay them.
      It reminds me of the days of my youth in the 1960s. The attitude could be summed up by the line. Why would you pay a prostitute when there are thousands of willing amateurs?
      It’s just that now it is the journalists in play.
      
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      November 28, 2023 9:53am
      - cmm
        
        Perhaps the media are right.
        It isn’t a bribe.
        It’s a reward.
        
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        November 28, 2023 1:59pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    “The spread of misinformation related to COVID-19 …”
    
    … was predominantly the result of government messaging.
    
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    November 28, 2023 10:02am
    - Vinicius
      
      The BSometer on Covid and many other topics frequently redlined throughout the 6 years of the Ardern – Hipkins government.
      
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      November 28, 2023 10:18am
    - Nickc2
      
      All the BS about COVID came from the Govt!
      Remember Cindy saying don’t believe anything unless it comes from the Pulpit of Truth? From then on, she and her ministers proceeded to spread BS and pro-govt propaganda under the guise of truth about Cvid.
      Unfortunately, there are insufficient profanities in the English language to describe the feelings and hatred I have for our immediate past Govt and it’s leaders in particular (including Hipkins).
      
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      November 28, 2023 10:24am
    - mawm
      
      kk – the government were providing disinformation ie deliberately giving us false information with the aim of having us fearful and compliant.
      
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      November 28, 2023 2:05pm
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Inicius The real give away as to its true intent is that its virtually a cut and paste from Canada’s Trudeau regime. Now unless you believe that two countries whose leaders at the time dotted over each other came up with the same idea independently of one another and miraculously enjoyed a very similar free ride from the media …
    
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    November 28, 2023 10:36am
    - mawm
      
      Trudeau and Ardern were never the sharpest knives in the drawer and both slavishly follow their ideology. I doubt that they could independently have planned their covid responses. So who was the hidden hand pulling the strings? CIA + US DoD?? (It’s where the virus and vaccine came from).
      
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      November 28, 2023 2:10pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Labour are corrupt but they could never be that corrupt.//
  
  The thing is the money was not given in a brown paper bag. There will be a paper trail.
  Time to nail Grant Robertson’s hide to the wall.
  Could always ask Ardern – oh wait, she lies.
  
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  November 28, 2023 8:34am
  - imalwaysright
    
    I heard a rumour that adern had weekly meetings with news editors to set the agenda.
    If so, I wonder if the meetings are in her diary.
    
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    November 28, 2023 8:42am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      IIRC it was her Press Secretary who was allegedly having those weekly meetings.
      
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      November 28, 2023 9:10am
      - Matt Long
        
        IIRC, it was proudly announced on the news that the meetings were occurring while the lockdowns were on, to have coordinated messaging.
        
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        November 28, 2023 9:24am
  - DeepBlue
    
    The brown paper bag money was all the increased government advertising.
    
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    November 28, 2023 8:49am
- G152
  
  We know they lie.
  Every day articles totally unconnected with reality block out front pages.
  Socalled commenters push their version as provided by a leftwing government that at least paid for te propoganda {not a spell error}
  
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  November 28, 2023 8:35am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Seems NZ on Air are the people to ask. They administered the PIJF.
  
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  November 28, 2023 8:42am
- NothingLeft
  
  PIJF is small fry. Labour doubled pointless govt advertising spend to $125 million a year.
  
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  November 28, 2023 8:48am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    Covid advertising was 116m alone
    
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    November 28, 2023 11:23am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  It doesn’t even matter whether there were explicit conditions.
  
  A large part of the media’s job is to report on what the government is doing. If you find out an author or producer has handed loads of cash to a book or film reviewer, you assume bribery without necessarily expecting to find written instructions.
  
  It is inherently wrong for journalists to take money from the people they are reporting on.
  
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  November 28, 2023 8:58am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Ethics is an archaic concept for some …
    
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    November 28, 2023 9:07am
    - sungsamning
      
      They probably think its a county in England.
      
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      November 28, 2023 12:00pm
      - pdm
        
        That is a nasty lithsps that you have.
        
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        November 28, 2023 12:25pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Ethics are malicious and thuggish!
      
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      November 28, 2023 7:58pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Perhaps journalists don’t understand the meaning of independent.
    
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    November 28, 2023 9:20am
- Bevan
  
  Love it how Newhub is reporting this, then either limiting who can comment on their Facebook page, or flat out blocking all comments.
  
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  November 28, 2023 9:15am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Bevan that’s because like the other MSM outlets they regard it their job to talk at you and not your place to talk back , correct or argue.
    
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    November 28, 2023 10:41am
  - cmm
    
    Anywhere where they cannot control the feedback are considered toxic hotbeds of hate – like Twitter.
    
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    November 28, 2023 1:42pm
- Handyman
  
  The PIJF is not a bribe as they are free to criticize government policy if they disagree. As it happens they did not disagree with anything the Labour government did.
  
  To prove how the PIJF does not give the government have undue influence on the media, the media have launched a comprehensive campaign of vitriolic criticism against the current government.
  
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  November 28, 2023 9:23am
- cmm
  
  There are approximately 1600 journalists in NZ. Let’s assume half of those were beneficiaries of that $55M , err, non-bribe.
  That would be $69k each.
  Naah, don’t be silly, nobody would change what they are saying for $69k.
  
  The worst part is that instead of just keeping quiet they think they can gaslight everyone. They’ve been doing that for so long they do it brazenly.
  
  They are just feeding Winston ammo and he will eat them alive.
  
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  November 28, 2023 9:24am
  - imalwaysright
    
    $55 million was the down payment.
    
    The real money was in the government propaganda disguised as advertising.
    
    Harvey Norman was the biggest advertiser with a spend just shy of $70 million pa.
    The government nearly doubled that spend.
    
    Remember the hypnotic
    covid messages on every 7 minutes .
    They were all charged at retail rates. The regime couldn’t get money into the media fast enough .
    A more realistic figure would be about $380 million.
    
    An absolute bargain .
    
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    November 28, 2023 9:54am
    - sungsamning
      
      I didn’t realize it was that much. If the PIJF is gone in a mini-budget, and the government ad buy slows to a trickle; watch Stuff go down the gurgler by June. they sold for $1 last time. The time before it was millions. They will get a Christmas ad spend, then little over the silly season. Then some back to school, and Easter. By then their books will look pretty grim.
      
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      November 28, 2023 12:04pm
      - imalwaysright
        
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        Exactly .
        Stuff looks more like a money laundering operation than a news outlet.
        With the money supply cut it is worth nothing again .
        
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        November 28, 2023 1:23pm
      - mawm
        
        Who owns Stuff? Who has the control over the content? Who has been forking out the $$$’s to pay salaries? Asking for a friend.
        
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        November 28, 2023 2:22pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Peters was wrong, there was 50 million, then 55 million during covid that’s 105 million BRIBE
  
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  November 28, 2023 9:41am
- thirteenstars
  
  It’s staggering. Jenna Lynch not only editorialises the report but appears to draw a line in the sand, essentially making TVNZ policy on the fly.
  
  She’s the worst but they all do it. Constantly injecting editorial comments in reports or making declamations about this or that.
  
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  November 28, 2023 10:10am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Separatist rules for one race is racist, why is he already not protesting?to be fair she is Newshub, so not TVNZ
    
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    November 28, 2023 10:55am
  - John Loveridge
    
    Once upon a time, a journalist would be slapped down by the subs or the editor for those comments.
    
    But Newshub appear to be trying to push Jenna Lynch as a brand, like they do the odious Paddy Gower. It’s all about Jenna and Paddy, impartiality be damned.
    
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    November 28, 2023 11:13am
    - imalwaysright
      
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      They see themselves as celebrities. They think the country hangs on their every word and looks to them for guidance.
      What they actually are is a clique of low intellect mediocre people with no self awareness.
      
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      November 28, 2023 1:31pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      No subbies anymore
      
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      November 28, 2023 7:10pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  As I suspected the so called Public Service has embarked on a campaign of Fiscal Sabotage. They are taking steps to sabotage the incoming Governments policies and impose huge costs on the reforms. They will have employed many in roles that will now be disestablished and in Departments like 3 Waters that will be disestablished. But they will have ensured that those employed will be on gold plated contracts they will require being paid out in full. The Labour aresholes will have encouraged CEOs and senior management to go on a hiring spree ( think that prick Cullen we spent it all”) The incoming Ministers should demand all new roles established in the past 6 to 9 months be published with the salary and other benefits so tax payers can see the true costs and the damage that has been done.
  
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  November 28, 2023 11:08am
- Ghost
  
  Winston is having fun talking to callers on plunket’s show
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atkfhYta6eU
  
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  November 28, 2023 11:48am
- RRM
  
  Very weak, whiney attempt at a clap-back from Jenna Lynch at Newshub this morning:
  
  https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/peters-baseless-accusation-of-media-bribery-is-unbecoming-of-a-deputy-pm/ar-AA1kzTDN?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=7c635c9ce1b34bf0a11c41726fe06972&ei=5
  
  Basically “this is unbecoming of a Deputy PM” is her only argument. Hilarious!
  
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  November 28, 2023 11:58am
- Beach Haven expat
  
  Just as they all said Winston was lying over what Ardern claimed the day after the mosques shooting.
  Yet the facts are there in both cases. I’m no Winston fan and he appeared churlish and as he gave them a serve yesterday. Churlish but right.
  
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  November 28, 2023 12:04pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  Not PC comments via an updated blog post on establishment thinking and how it is encourage/incentivise
  
  https://pc.blogspot.com/2023/11/re-post-yes-jenna-it-is-bribery.html
  
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  November 28, 2023 2:00pm
- rouppe
  
  They are scrambling. Right at the bottom of this they say:
  
  Applicants to the fund were asked to show a commitment to Te Tiriti o Waitangi, including a commitment to te reo Māori.
  
  You can just about see the innocent looks.” Who, us? What do you mean?”
  
  Maybe they should read Graham Adams.
  
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  November 28, 2023 4:33pm
Yvette

Shane Jones has slammed the use of te reo Māori in the public sector, defending the incoming government’s plan to change the names of some major agencies.
The New Zealand First deputy leader is set to become a Cabinet minister when the new government is sworn in today.
Among NZ First’s wins from coalition negotiations were an agreement the coalition will ensure all public service departments have their primary name in English, except for those specifically related to Māori.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/11/27/shane-jones-slams-marginal-cultural-driven-distractions/

It is not just sufficient to change a few department names – it is the inappropriate deeply embedded use of Maori language (and expressed religious views) throughout department communications, reports and probably attitude now and thinking.

Consider a 402 page report that may have been about 200 pages without the Maori misappropriation –

Ināia tonu nei:
A low emissions future for Aotearoa
Advice to the New Zealand Government on its first three emissions budgets and direction for its emissions reduction plan 2022 – 2025
https://www.climatecommission.govt.nz/public/Inaia-tonu-nei-a-low-emissions-future-for-Aotearoa/Inaia-tonu-nei-a-low-emissions-future-for-Aotearoa.pdf
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Overseas expert hits Climate Commission’s accounting The Climate Change Commission’s budgets would see New Zealand make shallower cuts to emissions over the next decade than may be consistent with limiting global warming to 1.5 degrees … Joeri Rogelj is a lecturer in climate change at the Imperial College London and was coordinating lead author on the section of the landmark Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report that dealt with emission reduction pathways compatible with 1.5 degrees.

The news comes as a non-profit coalition of more than 300 lawyers filed proceedings in the High Court against the commission and Climate Change Minister James Shaw, alleging similar “logical errors” mean the commission’s final advice on emissions budgets and New Zealand’s Paris target are not consistent with 1.5 degrees, the Paris Agreement or the Zero Carbon Act.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/overseas-expert-hits-climate-commissions-accounting

This comes after the Climate Commission issued “Ināia tonu nei: a low emissions future for Aotearoa” which employs a vast cultural misappropriation of te reo Māori to say –

The time is now, Ināia tonu nei, to lead the change we want to see and to remain steadfast to the values that underpin our nationhood—values like whanaungatanga, kaitiakitanga and manaakitanga. We recognise the power of being connected to each other, having an ethic of care, respect in the way we progress, and taking care of things for ourselves and our mokopuna.
This work is led by science and considers the impact that climate action will have on the people of Aotearoa … We have worked in partnership with Iwi/Māori to develop our advice and incorporate te ao Māori into our mahi. It is critical government work with Iwi/Māori to develop and implement plans and policies, especially where impacts on, and opportunities for, Iwi/Māori are likely.

Now, that it seems the Commission has made mistakes, how much does their cultural misappropriation smear Te Ao Maori ?

But then should there be any mention of Te Ao Maori in this 402 page volume, since New Zealand Government is supposedly secular and no mention is made of other religious worldviews – like, an Islamic worldview for instance?
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November 28, 2023 8:01am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Shane Jones did not mind speaking Te Reo at his swearing in yesterday.
  Enough with the hypocrisy Jones.
  
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  November 28, 2023 8:37am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I disagree. Shane Jones speaks the language. He is quite entitled to take his oath of office in the Maori language.
    
    What he objects to is woke government agencies appropriating the language and making it difficult for English speakers to understand communications from the government.
    
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    November 28, 2023 8:46am
    - rouppe
      
      I’m with you.
      
      If someone wants to speak te Reo, let them. But if that person wants to communicate with me, it needs to be in English.
      
      Given government departments are servants of the public, they need to communicate in a way that maximises their reach. And that is in English
      
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      November 28, 2023 9:05am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        That’s right, but because Luxon is personal trying to learn the language , he is named Te Reo Luxon, but all these others including Seymour are all fine to get away with it, mind you it’s the usual Luxon haters that tried to smear him before the election
        
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        November 28, 2023 9:57am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Yes. I have objected to what has happened with government agencies and the Maori language. However I have never demonised the Maori language and good on people who want to learn it. If someone wants to use the Maori language in dealing with the government, they will be accommodated.
        
        You can’t force people to learn a language by demanding that they do so. That simply makes people angry. It can backfire by making many hostile to the use of the Maori language in any setting.
        
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        November 28, 2023 10:01am
      - mawm
        
        G – get over yourself. Criticism of Luxon is not hatred! His woke behaviour is what most criticised him for and was done over concern about where he might take this country – which is all of our’s concern.
        
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        November 28, 2023 2:32pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      Public swearing in is a waste of time and money. Just get them all to sign a document.
      
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      November 28, 2023 10:10am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        You really think that it cost much?
        
        The swearing in is a constitutional requirement.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letters_Patent_Constituting_the_Office_of_Governor-General_of_New_Zealand
        
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        November 28, 2023 10:31am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      OK. I went a bit overboard. I still see it as Jones pushing a language that most Kiwis don’t understand.
      
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      November 29, 2023 7:45am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    No, Shane Jones wasn’t being a hypocrite.
    
    He is fluent in Te Reo and has every right to speak an official language of NZ.
    
    He is pointing out the waste of time some Government staff are forced to undertake learning pepeha and karakia in their jobs.
    
    https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/11/27/shane-jones-slams-marginal-cultural-driven-distractions/
    
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    November 28, 2023 9:29am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      It will be interesting to see what happens. The government will be able to stop agencies communicating externally in the Maori language. I suspect many will just carry on forcing public servants to attend wiata practice.
      
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      November 28, 2023 10:04am
      - imalwaysright
        
        My cousin received an inter office email written entirely in maori.
        She responded entirely in Greek .
        
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        November 28, 2023 1:35pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      In their jobs and on the clock.
      
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      November 28, 2023 7:14pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    C’mon, Steve, we all know there’s a world of difference between speaking a language for personal reasons and foisting it upon the public at every turn in an effort to advance an agenda.
    
    I’m not fluent by any means but I can navigate my way around a marae without too much trouble and I pride myself on good pronunciation, but I’m totally against the manipulative pigeon-speak bilingualism of the virtue-signalling cultural Marxists.
    
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    November 28, 2023 12:17pm
- John Loveridge
  
  These values that underpin our nation would come as a surprise to the overwhelming majority of New Zealanders, who don’t have a clue what those words mean.
  
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  November 28, 2023 10:18am
  - Ehlana
    
    I wonder, if we could travel back in time and ask them, what the earliest New Zealanders would consider their values to be?
    
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    November 28, 2023 4:22pm
Warren

Jenna Lynch and many other Journalists that tried to crucify Christopher Luxon over the last few months before he and National put themselves in the box seat to form the new Government against many in the Media wishes are now crying wolf and are now trying the same tactics to get Winston Peter’s removed as Deputy Prime Minister.
Jenna Lynch has her tits in a tangle after Winston’s accusations yesterday on media bribery, which many New Zealander’s would agree with because of $55 million that was used to start the Public Interest Fund by Labour and their
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern.
Winston Peter’s made comments yesterday about the Public Interest Journalism Fund saying ” you cannot defend $55 million of bribery get it very clear said Peter’s.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/jenna-lynch-analysis-winston-peters-baseless-accusation-of-media-bribery-is-unbecoming-of-a-deputy-pm.html
Now Jenna Lynch has started her crusade against Winston Peter’s saying that in her view the comment is a baseless accusation and unbecoming of a Deputy Prime Minister.
While I am no fan of Winston Peter’s l am no fan of Journalism deciet either.
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November 28, 2023 8:02am
- Paulus
  
  Poor Jenna – last evening on her news spot she was almost in tears.
  She was accusing the new Deputy Prime Minister of suggesting that the media had been bribed.
  Well Jenna what the hell is the PIJF ?
  Over the last year or so Jenna and her cohort ladies have waged war on the incoming Government, especially Luxon in every rude way possible in the belief that they the media are more clever than us mere mortals.
  Do they not realise that in their battle you lost the war, finally brought Winston Peters back into the fray.
  For that you are to be congratulated as what we have now was constituted by such as you, Jenna and you left wing equal mates.
  No doubt Jenna you and your friends, whilst you and they have jobs, will daily denigrate this Government as hard as possible to the next election.
  But fear not Jenna I am in my very twilight in that almost certainly I shall not be above ground for your useless diatribe.
  Jenna it is a new world for New Zealand – not some recently made up word, for the media outlook so watch out or get out.
  
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  November 28, 2023 8:46am
  - goNZ1
    
    ever since W Peters started talking to Plunket and Co during the election campaign and not the MSM they have had a meltdown. They tried to rubbish him saying he talked to the ”fringe media” and Tova-Jessica-Jenna etc are beside themselves as they run into someone who wont play nice and roll over for them – very enjoyable press conferences coming up folks!
    Hopefully Luxon will get over his be-nice and polite-to-reporters period his handlers would have advised him on,and call them out…
    
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    November 28, 2023 9:14am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Any right thinking person knows exactly what the PIJF was. Next level, blatant corruption by the Ardern government to reinforce her ‘single source of truth’ and her narrative control. She really was a tyrant.
    
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    November 28, 2023 9:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Watch these media bastards. They are as cunning as shithouse rats.
  
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  November 28, 2023 8:48am
  - cmm
    
    “They are as cunning as shithouse rats.”
    No, just shithouse rats. They are not nearly as cunning as they think they are.
    
    For 6 years they have been able to act with impunity. They think they can get away with gaslighting because they are more intelligent that everyone else.
    
    They are in for a rude awakening.
    
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    November 28, 2023 9:28am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They are not cunning, they are predictable partisans
    
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    November 28, 2023 10:03am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Why can’t the vulgarities of the likes of Lynch just ignore it, it’s not media’s job to try and dictate the landscape
  
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  November 28, 2023 10:00am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Die MSM, Die
  
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  November 28, 2023 10:13am
  - mawm
    
    Tom – They are already dead, but do not yet know so. What percentage of the NZ population gets their news from the MSM? Probably the fearful middle-aged women that hung on to every lie Ardern muttered, and even many of them are beginning to see the deceit.
    
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    November 28, 2023 2:40pm
Yvette

Regarding –
Winston Peters makes false claim Government bribed media just after becoming Deputy PM
or –
Jenna Lynch analysis: Winston Peters’ baseless accusation of media bribery is unbecoming of a Deputy PM
Perhaps Winston did not explain exactly what was pertinent – the funding carried a covenant or condition, rather than bribery.

Bribery is the act of offering someone money or something valuable in order to persuade them to do something for you

Or do something else for them as a condition of doing some other ordinary task for them.
Oh, bugger – it was bloody bribery
_________________
Graham Adams: Brand destruction hits the mainstream media
… The truly troublesome conditions to be found in the fund guidelines concern how news media are instructed to deal with the Treaty of Waitangi. And they do, in fact, strongly encourage recipients of money from NZ On Air, which administers the fund, to avoid criticising government policy in that highly disputed area.

One of the fund’s stated goals is [to compulsorily] –

…actively promoting the principles of Partnership, Participation and Active Protection under Te Tiriti o Waitangi acknowledging Māori as a Te Tiriti partner.

And the first of the general eligibility criteria requires all applicants to show a:

commitment to Te Tiriti o Waitangi and to Māori as a Te Tiriti partner.

The contentious idea of “partnership” is, of course, the issue at the heart of the debate raging about co-governance.

This has been most obvious recently with regard to Three Waters but in fact co-governance (aka partnership) is being inserted into a broad range of legislation and policy, from the RMA and health to education and scientific research.
https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2022/05/graham-adams-brand-destruction-hits.html
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November 28, 2023 8:02am
- KH
  
  Yep. Bribery. But the media does not understand that.
  As the other Winstone – Churchill – said.
  “…..It is very difficult to get someone to understand something if their salary depends on them not understanding it….”
  
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  November 28, 2023 8:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is a bloody good quote.
    Hear that repeaters and churnalists? Stop lying!
    
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    November 28, 2023 8:51am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I loved this interview when Noam Chomsky very politely tells Andrew Marr the same thing in no uncertain terms.
    
    11 seconds of pure gold.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nBx-37c3c8
    
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    November 28, 2023 9:29am
    - thirteenstars
      
      Which would also apply to Chomsky.
      
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      November 28, 2023 12:52pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    SINCLAIR, Upton, born 1878, American novelist and social reformer.
    
    It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.
    
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    November 28, 2023 2:48pm
slightlyrighty

If you thought that the media might give this government a honeymoon period, you’re dreaming.

This morning, on 3’s AM show, Bryce Edwards was aksed if there was any evidence that this government is operating more efficiently.

He said “No.”

They were only sworn in YESTERDAY FFS! What the hell do the MSM expect, or have they already made up their mind…..

I suspect the latter.
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November 28, 2023 8:04am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Get used to it. The leftist media in NZ are still a force for Marxist propaganda, we now know not to expect balance or fairness.
  
  Just do everything you can to deprive them of oxygen. Don’t pay for anything they produce and don’t click on their internet content.
  
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  November 28, 2023 8:16am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Yep:
    Don’t watch them
    Don’t listen to them
    Don’t read them – or subscribe, or buy their papers, magazines and web sites.
    
    Fortunately they’re doing a great job killing themselves.
    
    There was an incredible amount of bitching from 2015 on about how Trump was “impervious” to their attacks and they couldn’t “move the needle”. That right there should have been a wake up call about their loss of credibility, but as with a lot of other people they treated Trump as the disease and not the symptom.
    
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    November 28, 2023 10:26am
    - John Loveridge
      
      It has been a hard habit to break Tom, but I now only look at the MSM online (but NEVER Stuff) to get a quick overview of what the bastards are up to. Know the enemy, in other words. Otherwise I avoid everything to do with them. I never watch the television news, and I certainly don’t buy their rotten papers. They long ago blew my trust and insulted my intelligence to the point that I despise them.
      
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      November 28, 2023 11:26am
  - sungsamning
    
    I didn’t realize it was that much. If the PIJF is gone in a mini-budget, and the government ad buy slows to a trickle; watch Stuff go down the gurgler by June. they sold for $1 last time. The time before it was millions. They will get a Christmas ad spend, then little over the silly season. Then some back to school, and Easter. By then their books will look pretty grim.
    
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    November 28, 2023 12:18pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      I’d much rather see NewsHub (3 News) or especially OneNews go down the gurgler because I think they’re far more influential than papers and magazines in these days of issues won by emotive Feelz, but of course the latter’s fate rests in the hands of government and National is too conservative to dump them.
      
      Heh! Conservative in the worst sense of the word; conserving your enemies.
      
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      November 28, 2023 1:24pm
      - sungsamning
        
        Hopefully, the coalition won’t bailout Newshub like the Key government did. It’d be good to see Sky News replace One News.
        
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        November 28, 2023 4:35pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The coalition members need to hit the media hard with “YOU ARE FAKE NEWS” and then ignore them. Use social media to get your information out.
  We could not trust them under Lying Labour, we can trust them even less now. Nasty bastards.
  
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  November 28, 2023 8:54am
- Warren
  
  The tap has to be turn off for the media,Academic’s, and those that continually get contracts from Government agencies, with also those like Tuku Morgan that feed on Government dollars and then shit on the hand that feeds them.
  You have to be cruel to be kind for some
  that take it they are entitled.
  
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  November 28, 2023 9:13am
  - John Loveridge
    
    Tuku was threatening war last night. I guess he’s upset at his latest cushy sinecure being yanked out from underneath him. He saw himself as the future Emperor of the Three Waters.
    
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    November 28, 2023 11:30am
- cmm
  
  Take away a five year old’s lollies and they throw a paddy.
  
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  November 28, 2023 9:29am
- NZer In Exile
  
  The media are basically now divisive commie/woke/climate-alarmist revolutionaries. Cut them ALL loose from the public purse NOW. Every last one of them.
  
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  November 28, 2023 8:09pm
KH

So now the media is filled with those bleating about what the new government is going to do to them.
But they should blame the voters who put this new government.
It’s the New Zealand people who wanted these changes. Democracy rules.
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November 28, 2023 8:08am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yeah! Blame me media. I don’t care and never will.
  
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  November 28, 2023 8:56am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The Democrat-controlled media used that one word to go on a “Trump is Hitler” tirade.

https://pantsonfirenews.com/one-trump-video-montage-just-embarrassed-the-democrat-controlled-media-to-shame-with-this-shocking-footage/?
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November 28, 2023 8:10am
Chuck Bird

This is not premium. I wonder if that is anything true in Tuko Underpants Morgan’s claim or if it was just made up after the atrocity on 7 October.

Tukoroirangi Morgan: We will mobilise against ‘racist’ policies of incoming Government

Screams of terror and cries for mercy were quickly silenced. Mothers who survived were raped next to babies who were dispatched with bayonets and then shot – there was no time for prisoners because they would hold up the advance into Waikato.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/tukoroirangi-morgan-we-will-mobilise-against-racist-policies-of-incoming-government/2O3YYWKSQBBNLMUVN5H2V3FPRY/
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November 28, 2023 8:12am
- KH
  
  I wait eagerly for the day that Tuku Morgan’s gravy train comes to a halt.
  
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  November 28, 2023 8:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi is the go to place. If NZ learns about the Treaty Littlewood Draft and not the corrupt Waitangi Tribunal version the Gravy Train will be stopped.
    All that is required is numbers that are educated on this.
    Sure, the natives will go on the warpath. Racism and violence is all they know when there are no other answers to debate.
    
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    November 28, 2023 9:11am
    - Positan
      
      From the warpath – straight into long term lock-up!
      
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      November 28, 2023 9:22am
  - kowtow
    
    What’s that saying about exposure when the tide goes out .
    
    One would have thought that he’d have the good grace to just fuck off after he was exposed for the high lifer he was spending up so big with taxpayer money for frickin’ underpants .
    
    These Elites know no shame.
    
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    November 28, 2023 12:15pm
- OlderChas
  
  “…no time for prisoners ….” yet there was time for soldiers to halt their advance to have a bit of dalliance with the local dusk maidens and kill their babies each with both bayonet and shot. I call a little BS or gross exaggeration on this account!
  
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  November 28, 2023 9:37am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  No Prisoners….
  
  Tukoroirangi Morgan is misremembering…
  
  What of the Rangiriri Pa prisoners who were taken to Kawau Island…(and later escaped)?
  
  https://nzhistory.govt.nz/war/war-in-waikato/rangiriri
  
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  November 28, 2023 9:41am
  - KH
    
    Misremembering. Are Tuku and Hilary the same person. ?? !! You might have something there Maggy.
    
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    November 28, 2023 9:56am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Thanks Maggy. It looks like the British behaved badly but raping the women and killing babies seems to be an invention of Morgan.
    
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    November 28, 2023 10:35am
    - John Loveridge
      
      The British were generally the least offensive of the marauding colonial powers. Tuku might actually have some valid gripes if the Spanish had got here first, for example.
      
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      November 28, 2023 11:33am
      - kowtow
        
        It’s worth repeating that the Maori’s experience with the French ( du Fresne expedition) was enough for them to realise the best imperialists to have were the English ( British) .
        
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        November 28, 2023 12:22pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Separatist rules for one race is racist, why is he already not protesting?
  
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  November 28, 2023 10:07am
- nathie
  
  Morgan is calling for a civil war and some numpty at the NZH thinks that it is a good idea to publish the article?
  
  Heads should roll at NZH and Morgan be cancelled – like centre-right columnists have been cancelled when writing against the leftist narrative.
  
  Calls for violence go beyond free speech …
  
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  November 28, 2023 10:48am
  - Ghost
    
    Where did he call for civil war? He talks of taking legal action.
    
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    November 28, 2023 10:54am
    - nathie
      
      It’ll amp up the activists to break the law.
      
      Ok sure “civil war” was the wrong choice of words and I should have chosen more carefully so how about civil unrest/physical damage/intimidation/violent confrontations?
      
      Regardless the MSM should be reining in columnists that are using their platform to issue threats.
      
      As potentially it could go beyond legal action.
      
      And even if it didn’t Morgan is not contributing to a healthy civil debate he is spreading mis/dis-information.
      
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      November 28, 2023 11:01am
      - Ghost
        
        Don’t accuse the other side of doing exactly what you are doing yourself spreading misinformation. There will be legal action and protests, it will if you are lucky equal that of the foreshore, but I really wouldn’t expect much as I think Luxon will make sure to get Māori support for what he is doing.
        
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        November 28, 2023 11:31am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      He mentioned civil disobedience yesterday on the lunchtime news
      
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      November 28, 2023 12:15pm
      - Ghost
        
        Here he is from breakfast, I think people are misunderstanding him, they will fight the govt in the courts, in the streets and on social media, they will take legal action and protest.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r3MR6CnjFQ
        
        The iwi are smart, they aren’t going to use violence nd turn the public against them. They’re going to use the power they have to fight the govt.
        
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        November 28, 2023 12:31pm
Maggie Pie

NZ Government Covid-19 Health Response.

OPEN LETTER SENT TO NZ POLICE

– Senior Police Constable Dan Picknell

https://nzdsos.com/2023/11/26/nz-police-let-down-people/
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November 28, 2023 8:12am
- Taieri
  
  “For me Government is made up of Ministers representing the people, and these Ministers are people like the rest of us who like the rest of us can make poor decisions or be subject to coercion, bribery and or criminal activity. Ministers within Government are not exempt from the rule of law or from the consequences of breaking the law.”
  
  Says the author of this letter. This is a very valid point. If the ministers are indeed representing the people (as are, at least in theory all the MPs), what was the basis of suspension of the Parliament during the initial stages of Covid? Who authorized the then PM to send all the MPs home? I don’t recall any debate let alone a vote on this issue. As I don’t recall the voters being asked to allow the then PM to assume dictatorial powers.
  
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  November 28, 2023 8:32am
  - kowtow
    
    The ruling Elites would do well to remember the origin of the word “minister” is from the latin for servant .
    
    In theory ( yeah I know) but in principle they are the servants of the people .
    
    Not the other way ’round .
    
    There’s another principle of democracy they seem to want to ignore ( while pushing made up principles of T oW )
    
    We really do need to get back to the very basics of our democracy .
    
    It is too precious to lose .
    
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    November 28, 2023 12:27pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Everyone should read that letter and send it to all their contacts. It should be the lead story in mainstream media. The revelations are damning.
  The information in that letter alone should see Coster sacked.
  
  It should be a leading part of the proposed expanded inquiry into the covid response.
  
  Remember the revelations in Cranmer’s Substack showing government had information clearly showing there was risk of harm from the experimental jabs, particularly to young people, and that the government deliberately removed this information? That the government was warned about missing information on the impacts on pregnant and breastfeeding women, immune compromised, frail and elderly etc?
  
  This is yet more evidence that ‘mistakes’ weren’t made. That ‘hindsight’ played no part in events.
  
  These people were fully informed, in no uncertain terms that there were serious issues that should have been addressed. Instead, they were actively and deliberately ignored, suppressed or totally covered up.
  
  This is more evidence of the total malfeasance of the previous government and apparently all of the agencies who work for them. Like the 11,000 health staff offered exemptions from the jab while they forced it onto the unsuspecting public.
  
  There were NO conspiracy theories and the only mis and disinformation came directly from the government and their agencies and the ‘expert’ mouthpieces who harangued us on an almost daily basis in a compliant and bought mainstream media.
  
  We know who they are. Let this inquiry be broad in scope and deep in it’s investigation. There are a number of people in this country who should be serving jail time for their deliberate acts of malfeasance.
  
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  November 28, 2023 8:37am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Police do not investigate Government”
  WHAT?
  This is Tyranny. The heat got real hot in the kitchen so she ran!
  
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  November 28, 2023 9:34am
artemisia

Consultants’ bill nearing $2m for cost-cutting work at the Department of Conservation

Perhaps not a massive bill in the whole scheme of things, but have to wonder why existing managers were not considered capable of doing the work. After all, they know their own areas up, down and sideways, plus have skills and brains. Don’t they?

If not, why not?
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/consultants-bill-nearing-2m-for-cost-cutting-work-at-the-department-of-conservation/
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November 28, 2023 8:15am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Because they can blame the consultants if things don’t work out and take the accolades if they do.
  It is a win/win for them because their jobs are really marginal care nor responibility and a large salary to boot.
  
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  November 28, 2023 8:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not just DOC. I would say all Government Departments.
    
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    November 28, 2023 9:36am
- sirknz
  
  The only reason Govt departments and local councils employ external consultants is to cover their own arses. They use them to cook the numbers for their pet projects to achieve the results they want to go ahead. That means when it blows up in their faces, they can then say “I was relying on what the experts told me”.
  
  If you will recall with the odium of truth during the troubles, the former Dear Leader would always state something along the lines of “with consultation and advice taken from experts”, it gives her deniability and will likely make any attempts to target her during a covid enquiry pretty much futile.
  
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  November 28, 2023 10:02am
KH

A bombing run about every week for a decade does not make your neighbours favour you.
“…….Syria has largely refrained from responding to Israel’s repeated attacks over the past decade in an apparent attempt to avoid a dangerous confrontation…….”
https://www.southfront.press/israeli-airstrikes-knocks-damascus-airport-out-of-service-day-after-it-reopened-video-photos/
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November 28, 2023 8:16am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Just another piece of news we rarely see in mainstream media.
  
  More reinforcement that the narrative is well and truly controlled. That what we see in the headlines in the west is what we are allowed to see.
  When you see something hogging the headlines be assured, you are being played.
  
  Like ‘there’s a deadly pandemic and people in China are dropping dead in the street.’
  
  That one was a doozy.
  
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  November 28, 2023 8:55am
  - kowtow
    
    heavily and regularly covered in the Israeli press .
    
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    November 28, 2023 12:29pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Exactly. They targeted warehouses where Iran was storing weapons in transit to Lebanon.
      They have been tracking them
      
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      November 28, 2023 2:17pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Syria is a puppet state of Iran, and a primary home and supply route for Hezbollah in Lebanon. Lay down with dogs and you’ll catch fleas.
  
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  November 28, 2023 8:58am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    That’ll be why the media doesn’t report on the fact that Israel is attacking Syria on a weekly basis. As I said, the narrative is fully controlled.
    
    Incidentally, Syria is also one of the few sovereign countries on the list of 7 that were to be taken out as part of US foreign policy in the ME that so far, hasn’t succumbed.
    
    “Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.”
    
    As revealed by former US General Wesley Clark in this interview.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo6u9DpASp8&pp=ygUdc2V2ZW4gY291bnRyaWVzIGluIGZpdmUgeWVhcnM%3D
    
    The US still illegally occupies their oil fields and as Trump openly admitted, they are only there to steal their oil.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6lf6wgQAnw
    
    The US funded and armed ISIS in Syria and did everything in their power to overthrow their elected leader. All part of their desire to totally control all of the resources in the region.
    
    It’s sometimes difficult to know who the dogs are and who’s got the fleas. Especially in the Middle East. It’s certainly not as binary as ‘us good, them bad’.
    
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    November 28, 2023 9:45am
    - KH
      
      Yes. The Syrian Government fought ISIS to a standstill. Meanwhile the USA bombed the Syrian Government.
      
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      November 28, 2023 10:00am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        KH – inconvenient truth apparently bothers some people.
        Truth is truth. Doesn’t matter who it refers to.
        
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        November 28, 2023 11:01am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Nothing left. And what evidence for these chunks of mis information are you relying on?
    
    Syria puppet state of Iran??
    
    Perhaps you should have included the illegal occupation in Syria of US troops, also engaging in armed conflict with Syria? At least you would have one factual statement 🙂
    
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    November 28, 2023 3:03pm
- Matt Long
  
  Yes, obviously Israel is trying to provoke conflict with Syria, Lebanon, the West Bank, Iran and Yemen at the same time as it carries out unprovoked genocide against Gaza, because that makes perfect sense.
  Those poor peaceful Islamists that surround Israel must feel very vulnerable to continual unprovoked attacks.
  
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  November 28, 2023 9:42am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Matt, sorry to have mistakenly downticked you- but you really need to to clearly label such as a post as sarc. When one skim- reads through such a post it is very easy to mistake the tone.
    
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    November 28, 2023 9:51am
    - Steve Todd
      
      Yes, but why post a sarcastic comment in the first place?
      
      Including a sarc symbol does not necessarily exempt a commenter from downticks.
      
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      November 28, 2023 10:43am
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘Founded in 2015, South Front is a Russian propaganda website that claims to be non-profit and non-partisan. According to their about page, South Front is a “public analytical umbrella organization created and maintained by a team of experts and volunteers from the four corners of the Earth. SouthFront focuses on issues of international relations, armed conflicts, and crises. The organization provides military operations analysis, military posture of major world powers, and other important data influencing the growth of tensions between countries and nations.”
  
  The website lacks transparency as they do not name an owner or editors and articles lack author names and bios.
  
  In 2016, South Front was accused of being a Russian propaganda tool. In another 2016 article, they were accused of “spreading Russian propaganda during the [U.S.] election.” Finally, in 2017, their Wikipedia page was deleted due to being a non-reliable source.’
  South Front does not disclose ownership; however, the domain is registered in Russia, there is an email address with the .ru extension and donations via Paypal are in Russian, “Пожертвовать на southfront@list.ru, Цель: Any amount donation.” In other words, this source does not disclose they are from Russia and try hard to hide that fact.’
  https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/south-front/
  
  Israel bombed the area next to the Airport where Iran was storing weapons (it was in the News) but hey, dont let that get in the way of your Russian Propaganda site
  lol
  
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  November 28, 2023 12:31pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Here we go, “I don’t like the content so I’ll discredit the source”.
    
    That’s called ad hominem and it’s instantly recognisable for what it is, lack of facts to support your claims. As is the use of a ‘factchecker’. Seriously? After 4 years of ‘factchecking’ during covid?
    
    Then you tell us your version is better because “it was in the News”?
    
    If you’re going to counter something, put a bit of effort into it. Like maybe a link to your source about where Israel was bombing. I’m guessing Israel bombed the airport, only because they’ve done it plenty of times before.
    
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    November 29, 2023 7:17am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

FBI & CDC Refused To Investigate Illegal CCP Linked Biolab. 42 page report for those interested.
“the FBI said, well, we can’t investigate because there’s no ties to WMD”
Really? You can make your own Weapons of Mass Destruction?
FBI, CDC. CIA, the whole lot need a cleanout. They are all corrupt.

I did hear of reports that Covid did not start off in Wuhan, but escaped from a Lab in Nth Carolina. How much truth we will never know. I still don’t know why ‘gain of function’ needs to be researched with things so dangerous.

https://www.rvmnews.com/2023/11/fbi-cdc-refuse-to-investigate-illegal-ccp-linked-biolab-in-newsoms-backyard-video/?
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November 28, 2023 8:26am
- MCōs
  
  “Covid did not start off in Wuhan, but escaped from a Lab in Nth Carolina.”
  Thank god we’ve got you to bring this to our attention
  
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  November 28, 2023 10:06am
Chuck Bird

FYI

What Really Happened in Wuhan
Tuesday 28 November | 10:00 PM – 10:30 PM | Channel 85

The Next Chapter. Sharri Markson’s world-exclusive investigation revealing new evidence around the origins of the Covid-19 pandemic, and the shocking cover ups.
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November 28, 2023 8:28am
goNZ1

The achievements of the NZ Labour Party under Adern/Hipkins are below –

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November 28, 2023 8:48am
Yvette

Tukoroirangi Morgan: We will mobilise against ‘racist’ policies of incoming Government
They want to conduct the Waitangi Tribunal legislation to refocus the scope, purpose and nature back to the original intent of that legislation. So what does that practically mean exactly apart from tearing the bonds of this nation apart?

The Waitangi Tribunal has already ruled iwi have a proprietary interests in water which is a discussion we are very keen enter into.

In our minds we have reached a compromise and walked back ownership to allow our Treaty partners to be involved providing guidance in this space.

Any threat that seeks to diminish our involvement in water will be met with serious challenge.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/tukoroirangi-morgan-we-will-mobilise-against-racist-policies-of-incoming-government/2O3YYWKSQBBNLMUVN5H2V3FPRY/

In a sense it could be welcomed that Tukoroirangi Morgan wants a public “conversation” concerning “proprietary interests in water which is a discussion we are very keen enter into”
That may prompt Winston Peters and David Seymour to urge Christopher Luxon that Te Puna, the Maori Advisory Council to Taumata Arowai (the Water Regulator) of be totally evaluated by a Government which should be secular –

– and not harbour any religious worldview, albeit naturism or physiolatry in many of a variety of cultural, spiritual and devotional practices

I had prune, figs and grapefruit and kiwifruit juice for breakfast – should break the fast, but may also account for the splurge of comments …
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November 28, 2023 8:53am
- John Loveridge
  
  Tuku doesn’t want anything but the money.
  
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  November 28, 2023 11:40am
  - Paulus
    
    Tuku money and new Underpants !
    
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    November 28, 2023 1:42pm
    - sungsamning
      
      Shortly after the Nat-NZ First coalition of 1996-99 was formed, the underpants scandal broke, and they wanted to build a cabinet palace. ACT put out a petition. I downloaded it, and spent several days outside Ballantynes with a National voting friend collecting friend. The petition got the required number of signatures in no time. It was the first thing I ever downloaded. I went into ARA collecting signatures. These two dyed in the wool Scottish academics signed it. They didn’t understand why Labour, and the Alliance weren’t opposing it.
      
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      November 28, 2023 4:41pm
Maggie Pie

Any truth to the rumor that Maori and Pacifica med-students benefit from having lower pass thresholds…. and should we be worried?

https://e-tangata.co.nz/reflections/as-a-doctor-being-maori-is-my-superpower/
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November 28, 2023 8:54am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, I recall that Paul Holmes’ ex trained to be a doctor and because of her heritage was allowed a lower pass mark. OK I know most doctors are merely prescription dispensers most of their day but every now and then a well trained expert eye discovers serious diseases.
  
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  November 28, 2023 9:13am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Maggie,
  
  The pass thresholds will be the same for all students. It is the admission criteria that differ. For the last 40 years there have been various admissions schemes within the university system to increase the number of Maori and Pacific students.
  
  I introduced such a scheme into the Faculty of Commerce at Auckland. In 1984 there were 18 students out of an intake of 900 who identified as either Maori or Pacifica. That in a city where 22% of school leavers were Maori and Pacifica, mostly from schools with relatively low pass rates for bursary. The preferential admission scheme allowed 40 students to be admitted. The criteria was a B Bursary instead of an A Bursary. Students were limited to 6 papers in the first year, and additional tutorials were mandatory.
  
  Over the last 40 years, there has been a large increase in Maori and Pacific commerce graduates, so that is no longer unusual to see Maori and Pacifica in business management positions.
  
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  November 28, 2023 9:20am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    “Being a Maori is my superpower”
    
    Imagine if a ytee had said that. Cries of…. ”Waysist!”
    
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    November 28, 2023 9:34am
    - MCōs
      
      Did you read the article?
      “But, as with many of us, it’s the powerful desire to serve our people, not the title, that fills our cup. We need more Māori doctors. Every single time a Māori patient smiles at the kauae they see on my ID badge (the real one is being covered with a mask), I know what they’re thinking. Ko au ko koe, ko koe ko au. You are me, I am you. Being Māori is my superpower.”
      
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      November 28, 2023 9:54am
      - septic skeptic
        
        When I go in for a medical procedure, blood test ot whatever I don’t feel any special affinity if the person dealing with me is Caucasian. Just as well, the majority of the people I see are Asian.
        
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        November 28, 2023 10:15am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        SHEESH cossie
        Of course I read it, silly! I posted it didn’t I.
        
        Anyway, would you feel comfortable with someone turning up to operate on you with a face-full of tatts??
        
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        November 28, 2023 10:35am
      - MCōs
        
        Personally I couldn’t care less
        FYI
        When I busted my femur in July was the last time someone operated on me and the bloke might’ve had one eye in the middle of his forehead for all I know.
        The previous time was 22yrs ago by a 60yo Thai doctor who replaced the hip in the same leg.
        Hip’s fine and the old boy is still working. I think he owns the hospital.
        
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        November 28, 2023 11:54am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Great to hear the old boys still working anyway Cossie.
        Love you long time 😀
        
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        November 28, 2023 12:40pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Sort of a racial mates club in medicine then MCōs?
        
        Sounds like a very intelligent concept.
        
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        November 28, 2023 8:12pm
  - Matt Long
    
    Were there any people of different skin hues who missed out on places because of this admissions policy Wayne?
    A shame your government didn’t take the approach of Alwyn Poole to improve schooling so Maori and Pacific Islanders left school with qualifications to carry them through to University.
    
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    November 28, 2023 9:36am
  - mandk
    
    Maggie’s comment was about med students, not commerce students.
    
    If a commerce graduate screws up, it’s probably not going to kill me. If a med graduate screws up, it might.
    
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    November 28, 2023 9:44am
  - Swifty
    
    Wayne, for courses where enrolment numbers are capped, would you concede that enabling more Maori and Pacific students to enter necessarily means that one must admit fewer non-Maori and Pacific students as a result?
    
    That for every member of a favoured race admitted you must deny admittance to a non-favoured race student?
    
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    November 28, 2023 9:58am
    - Grunter
      
      Absolutely correct Swifty. A few years ago an old school mate of mine had his daughter turned down from Otago Med School despite A+ passes in pre-Med, school Dux etc. A total ‘brainbox” that had set her eyes on being a Doctor since she was a young child. When they asked why she was turned away they were told because all the “Non-Maori” places were taken. Maori Pacifica entrants were taken with much lower grades.
      
      My mates daughter instead went and trained in Aust and is now a fully trained Doc there.
      
      PS: Not that it matters, this young Dr was a 4th generation Kiwi descendant from China. Has a work ethic of her parents and grand parents (ie works 80 Hrs+ every week). So well done to the Wayne Mapp’s of this world – keep up your woke magical nonsense! It’s not like we don’t need more Doctors eh!
      
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      November 28, 2023 10:35am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      No, the scheme didn’t exclude people. The general criteria was an A bursary. This broadly equated to 900 new admissions. But some years it was higher, some years a bit less.
      The Māori and Pacifica scheme with a B bursary entrance criteria was around 40 entrants but often a little less.
      In Commerce, a 10% variation in the numbers made no real difference, not when we were dealing with nearly 1,000 annual admissions.
      It might be different in Medicine where they have hard caps of 200 in each of the two schools.
      
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      November 28, 2023 10:49am
      - Swifty
        
        Wayne, with respect, that wasn’t what I asked.
        
        I asked about courses with capped enrolments, you replied with comments about your scheme.
        
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        November 28, 2023 11:21am
      - NothingLeft
        
        Bollocks. By playing racist favorites more worthy hard working conscientious kids who would have otherwise got excluded because of their parentage.
        
        I’ll bet the ‘Maori’ quota was mostly <10% Maori ancestry. It's an odious dodge for underperforming kids who have won the ancestry lottery this the ‘right’ sort of great grandparent.
        
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        November 28, 2023 4:10pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The big problem in NZ is that we do not have enough training places available for our population needs.
      
      However, Professor Fraser said the country is well behind Australia which is now offering medical degrees at 21 universities nationwide. Australia produces around 3600 medical graduates a year as compared to only 500 in New Zealand.
      
      “Australia’s population is five times the size of ours,” Fraser said. “But comparatively their graduates numbers are seven times the number that we’re producing.”
      
      https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/04/17/nz-needs-more-locally-trained-doctors-medical-school-professor/
      
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      November 28, 2023 11:01am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Both Otago and Auckland want to expand
        
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        November 28, 2023 1:14pm
    - Paulus
      
      I assume that if a new Medical School is formed in Hamilton (Tainui land) it will be for Maori first in every respect.
      
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      November 28, 2023 1:45pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Why would you, a grumpy, 84-year-old white man, assume that, Paulus?
        
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        November 28, 2023 3:43pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Call it a hunch, Steve
        
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        November 28, 2023 7:36pm
  - Keith White
    
    Wayne, the pass thresholds for medicine were lower for th0se admitted under lower standards via the so-called ‘Polynesian Preference” scheme in the 70s.
    
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    November 28, 2023 11:11am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Its true that admission to the first year at Otago for Health Sciences is open to all.
    But the next year, to get into the Full Medical Course (MBChB), Maori/Pacifica only need 69%, Refugee 74%, Rural 86% whilst Pakeha (they call it General) need 93% marks.
    I have seen an OIA request dated 22 Nov 2022 which outlines this.
    In 2022 they had 309 application for General and only 103 received Offers.
    Maori had 67 applicants and 52 got Offers.
    Its too biased.
    
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    November 28, 2023 12:42pm
    - KH
      
      Excellent background Red. Thanks
      
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      November 28, 2023 2:31pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Thanks KH
        I am sure there are many things we could agree on.
        
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        November 28, 2023 4:39pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      and if my aged memory serves.
      The pass rate at years 2 and 3 show a high percentage of drop outs of those requiring a lower entry level.
      
      Which makes sense to me.
      If it was hard to get in, its going to get real hard when the rubber meets the road, and there are no more free passes.
      
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      November 28, 2023 3:13pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Not sure thats much solace for all the white people who got excluded because of the limited places
        How many more Doctors might we have ended up with?
        
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        November 28, 2023 4:46pm
- Keith White
  
  Not a rumour. Observed truth as far back as the 70s when I attended.
  
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  November 28, 2023 11:00am
- John Loveridge
  
  When it comes to choosing a doctor, I’ll take Maori superpowers over high pass marks any day…
  
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  November 28, 2023 11:40am
  - BeaB
    
    Years ago I had the choice of a new dentist between a young podgy Māori bloke and a wiry Indian girl. Who do you think worked harder to become a dentist? Who do you think I chose?
    
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    November 28, 2023 1:32pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Who do you think worked harder to become a dentist?
      
      There’s no way of knowing that, Bea, but, if it was easier for the “podgy Māori bloke” to get into dentist school, then one must assume he had to work extra hard to qualify, don’t you think?
      
      So, I can only assume you chose the “podgy Māori bloke”.
      
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      November 28, 2023 4:09pm
goNZ1

from CNN today –
”A Russian-Israeli hostage who managed to escape from Hamas was recaptured and returned to the militants, before being finally released on Sunday, his aunt has said.
“I understood from the bombings, the building collapsed and he managed to escape from there… and for several days he hid there and was alone and in the end the Gazans caught him and returned him to the hands of the terrorists,” Magid added.”

So what happened to the narrative that Gazans arent all Hamas lovers?
I guess they have been threatened with execution if they dont hand them over as per Nazi Germany if caught hiding Jews.
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November 28, 2023 9:22am
- kowtow
  
  If you see the photos of the crowds of men taking photos of the two “collaborators” who were recently lynched in Tulkarm and whose bodies were hoisted up onto a high tower for public display then one could conclude that the terrorists do go to lengths to frighten the public but also that there’s a large proportion of them who seem to revel in these base displays of extreme violence and total absence of any pretence at all of any legal process .
  
  Is it any wonder then that the mass displays of anti Israel “protests” in the west are so fraught with barely disguised menace,
  
  afterall Phil Tywford , an MP , experienced that recently in Auckland .
  
  Oh didn’t the media here cover the Tulkarm outrage , no ? Oh how very odd.
  
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  November 28, 2023 12:42pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Captured Gazan terrorists have said that if they kidnapped someone they got $10,000 and a free apartment…
  
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  November 28, 2023 12:44pm
- Paulus
  
  Is it not so now that Hamas do not have any more refugees, as all the others are held elsewhere by other terrorist organisations.
  
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  November 28, 2023 1:47pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Ok Team26. Get your downticks ready.
  
  Came across this Piers Morgan Interview with a noted Israeli Historian.
  Norman Finklestein.
  As a professor his delivery is sometimes a bit dry. But all without emotion even when batting off Morgans attempt to get him to say something Morgan endorsed and wanted Finklestein to agree to.
  
  At least Morgan didnt interrupt every 7 seconds which seems to be his modus operandi. Actually gave the Professor time to respond in a measured way.
  
  Finklesteins parents survived the concentration camps and Finklesteins response as to what would his parents have said of the Hamas attack is very enlightening(to me anyway, perhaps not to team26)
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_Sh-ERypMA
  
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  November 28, 2023 3:21pm
Benedict Yu

James Shaw has organised a petition to save the oil and gas exploration ban.

https://twitter.com/jamespeshaw/status/1728913392466043158?t=5rk2x1T9NCmuR1qH_egFdQ&s=19

Good luck. 🤡
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November 28, 2023 9:32am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He defends Green Party air travel by planting trees.
  What a crock of shit. You are a hypocrite Shaw.
  Do as I say, not as I do.
  
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  November 28, 2023 10:03am
  - Biscuit
    
    PoorJmaes, Steve,
    
    No taxpayer-funded oil-guzzling overseas flights to protest nasty oil for at least 3 years…
    
    How WILL the planet cope without his earnest speechifying?
    
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    November 28, 2023 10:08am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Looks like we have 3 years (Min) of his whining.
      
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      November 28, 2023 10:12am
      - Colville
        
        You dont think he will get knifed before that??
        
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        November 28, 2023 11:56am
      - NothingLeft
        
        He could knife himself. His leadership would be untouchable it he transitioned.
        
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        November 28, 2023 2:05pm
    - Drone
      
      Not as many Biscuit but he still will get a few. Not sure if he has a home outside Wellington but if he does he’ll get to fly weekly like so many other MPs.
      
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      November 28, 2023 2:27pm
Libertarians are right

So according to the media, they weren’t bribed.

Stuff today: “No doubt now that anti-Māori sentiment powered the election result” by Joel Maxwell.

Over the last couple months there’s something we’ve heard a lot – “criticising Zionism is not the same as criticising Jews”. This is the same thing, without all the actual Jew bashing that inevitably goes with that statement.

There is very little “Maori bashing” going on. People are however very much against race based policy and there is nothing wrong with that.
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November 28, 2023 9:33am
- Nukuleka
  
  With Peters, Seymour, Reti, Costello etc in the Coalition mix Maxwell is on very shaky grounds in pushing the anti- Maori election result narrative. Clearly, according to him, there are the right sort of Maori and the wrong-uns.
  
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  November 28, 2023 10:36am
  - Colville
    
    Isnt it 30% of cabinet is Māori??
    
    Shit yeah the people who voted for those guys clearly hate the darkies!!
    
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    November 28, 2023 11:59am
- John Loveridge
  
  Maxwell is quite right. But he never stops to think why that might have been the case. Does it not occur to him that the Maorification boat might have been pushed out way too far?
  
  I’d consider it anti-Maorification sentiment, by the way, not anti-Maori sentiment. Subtle but important difference.
  
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  November 28, 2023 11:43am
Maggie Pie

He was spot-on again of course 😀

“Everything WOKE turns to shit”

– Donald J Trump.

https://twitter.com/5dme81/status/1729092715172802892
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November 28, 2023 9:41am
Matt Long

People who have solar consume more power, so grid demand isn’t as high as expected.
https://techxplore.com/news/2023-11-residential-solar-power-energy.html
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November 28, 2023 9:46am
- rockape
  
  I think that is bollocks. I have solar and if anything it’s made me think about usage. I don’t have batteries so plan when to switch things on and off. In addition despite having mains water I collect and fill a 30000 litre tank off the roof and take great pride in not using the mains very often( haven’t used the mains for 6 months). Maybe it’s having lived on a yacht for 9 years while cruising the World it has made me aware of my resources.
  
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  November 28, 2023 10:56am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Our 5.3 kw Solar system cut our electric bills in half. The system paid for itself in 5-1/2 years.
  
  Should last another 15 years or so and electric prices are more likely to rise than to fall.
  
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  November 28, 2023 1:25pm
- wsk12345
  
  You have to use a lot of power for it to be economic. In chch with bills of around 90-100 in summer and up to 200 in winter, the solar company declined to come talk to me….
  
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  November 28, 2023 2:59pm
Matt Long

Well needed shakeup happening at the Northland Regional Council, those responsible for the disastrous proposed water plan hopefully soon to be shown the door.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/northland-regional-councils-seismic-power-shift-sees-deputy-chair-facing-chop/ZFSEQWUYV5DKDES4LNW6FKS2RA/
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November 28, 2023 9:49am
- sungsamning
  
  Time to restrict student loans to STEM, and commerce only.
  
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  November 28, 2023 12:32pm
ClanMcleod

When thinking about buying an EV. A warning from Canada.

REPORT:REPLACING BATTERY FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLE COSTS MORE THAN THE CAR ITSELF

Slightly longer than 2 minute video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5CkA1EtuZs

🤡🤡🤡
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November 28, 2023 9:52am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Read the post by Kiwi in America. He says EVs will never replace ICEVs.
  
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  November 28, 2023 10:15am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Cheers Steve, I did read it, an excellent post it was!
    
    Like the covid bs, the EV narrative is being exposed as the complete bs that it really is.
    
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    November 28, 2023 10:17am
    - All_on_Red
      
      What bemuses me is The Greens hate the rich Oil companies but lurve the Greentech Billionaires
      Probably because of the $100’s of million those Green oligarchs give to support left Politicians…
      
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      November 28, 2023 11:30am
      - kowtow
        
        yeah I reckon the “Greens” simply see the tech billioniares as a means to the end of achieving their utopia.
        
        Once utopia is achieved the billionaires would be declared ‘enemies of the planet’ , their wealth appropriated and they then disappear into some dreadful gulag .
        
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        November 28, 2023 12:53pm
- NothingLeft
  
  ICE Range extended EV’s and/or battery swap is the answer to many EV issues: range concerns, towing, expensive fast charging infrastructure etc. In the limit it can probably reduce petrol use by 80-90% while still preserving the current utility of petrol ICE cars.
  
  It’s expected that CATL’s sodium ion batteries will be 1/2 to 1/3rd the price of lithium ion in a few years, and should see EVs undercutting Petrol ICE on price.
  
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  November 28, 2023 11:42am
  - cmm
    
    The single biggest issue is that you still need to charge them.
    
    Battery swapping helps that, so long as you can get the manufacturers to agree on using the same size batteries, secure quick releases etc.
    
    One of the challenges is to get the business model right. It would have to end up being something like swapping gas bottles. What if you want to swap out a half-charged battery? Do you get a credit?
    
    “It’s expected that CATL’s sodium ion batteries…”
    
    Can we file that along with all the other expectations like flying cars and week ends on the moon by 2000 and ubiquitous self driving cars by 2020?
    
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    November 28, 2023 12:13pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      “It’s expected that CATL’s sodium ion batteries…”
      Can we file that along with all the other expectations like flying cars and week ends on the moon by 2000 and ubiquitous self driving cars by 2020?
      
      Its already entered production. 1st Gen Sodium batteries are in BYD Seagull cars. It’s second gen that are expected to see big price drop as they scale up production (learning curves are fairly reliable for cost reductions)
      https://carnewschina.com/2023/04/20/catl-and-byd-sodium-ion-batteries-will-be-put-into-a-mass-produced-car-in-q4-2023/
      
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      November 28, 2023 12:50pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    None of that fixes the problem of when they catch fire, or the ridiculous cost of repairing them, even after a minor accident.
    
    Watch, insurance cost are going to go through the roof, and as the information emerges re lack of resale cost and cost of batteries any demand will slump. It’s already happening.
    
    As for the other technologies, it would have been a better idea to develop the technology before trying to change the vehicle fleet.
    
    Oh, and maybe prove there is an actual ‘climate crisis’ first? Because on the available evidence, I’m pretty sure there isn’t one.
    Other than that, I’m not opposed to cleaner technology, but EVs are far from ‘clean and green’.
    
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    November 29, 2023 7:26am
- cmm
  
  EV batteries need to be thought of as consumables. If you do so, then the true cost of operating an EV goes up tremendously compared to just the electricity cost.
  
  If you can get 100,000 km out of a $15k battery then that’s costing you 15c per km – just for the battery amortization. Then add the 7cents per km RUC (coming soon) and the cost of the electricity (maybe another 5 cents/km). Total cost 27 cents/km for these expenses.
  
  My small gas guzzler (about the same size as a Leaf) gives 22km per litre. Current cost 12 cents per km – including RUC.
  
  People who think that EVs are going to save them money buy lotto tickets to make a fortune.
  
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  November 28, 2023 12:31pm
- MCōs
  
  Previously I had a perfectly reasonable Corolla
  However four new tyres similar to the existing ones would’ve just about cost more than the car was worth.
  
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  November 28, 2023 1:15pm
Matt Long

Nice to know that our tax dollars are been spent so incredibly well at the University of Canterbury.
Colonial attitudes and cruelty to possums, per Psychology Today.
How can people label them as pests.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/nz/blog/animal-emotions/202311/is-there-hope-for-ending-new-zealands-war-on-possums
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November 28, 2023 10:13am
- John Loveridge
  
  Dear God.
  
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  November 28, 2023 11:45am
- cmm
  
  Having seen the way Africans treat animals, I can assure you that any concept of animal welfare is a colonial construct.
  I don’t know enough about Maori history to comment on Maori animal welfare policies.
  
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  November 28, 2023 12:17pm
  - Inandout
    
    cmm, did the latter have animals pre-colonial? Well yes the moa and whatever they brought over from wherever.
    
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    November 28, 2023 12:41pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You might get a clue by checking through this list of animals hunted to extinction by first peoples here in NZ.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Zealand_species_extinct_in_the_Holocene
    
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    November 28, 2023 12:56pm
    - cmm
      
      But the moa could have been wiped out in a humane way. I doubt it, but it is possible.
      
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      November 28, 2023 1:33pm
  - rouppe
    
    Pre colonisation, animals were a resource to be used. The extinction of the moa, the components of cloaks, the clothing all clearly show that.
    
    As were those captured during conquest who ended up as slaves.
    
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    November 28, 2023 1:20pm
  - GJM
    
    Seen any moa recently? That’s your answer on Maori conservation.
    
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    November 28, 2023 7:52pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Their terminally woke leadership at all levels needs defenestration. Scholarship takes a definite back seat to SJW-ing
  
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  November 28, 2023 1:52pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Expect much more of this mind numbing propaganda:

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/russell-or-koror%C4%81reka-changing-government-adds-further-delays-to-name-restoration-decision/ar-AA1kzxj6?
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November 28, 2023 10:22am
Libertarians are right

US Secretary of Education:
“I think it was President Reagan who said, ‘We’re from the government. We’re here to help.’”

President Reagan:
“The nine most terrifying words in the English language are I’m from the Government and I’m here to help.”

Seriously, where does Biden find these people?
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November 28, 2023 10:23am
- goNZ1
  
  But in NZ the most terrifying words are :
  
  ”We’re from Kainga Ora . We’re here to let you know we have bought some land next door to you”
  
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  November 28, 2023 11:24am
  - Colville
    
    Intensification isnt going away.
    Its just going to be done by private developers who then sell it to KO.
    
    Its called property rights. Dont like your neighbours?? then move.
    
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    November 28, 2023 12:02pm
  - Inandout
    
    go, yes I guess ‘we’re from Housing NZ’ wouldn’t have the same impact.
    
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    November 28, 2023 12:43pm
Ghost

Strange. Just went by Luxton’s electorate office and it’s been cleared out. Luxton has had the office since 2017
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November 28, 2023 10:35am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Who the Hell is Luxton, or are you referring to that Labour woman from the South Island?
  
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  November 28, 2023 10:56am
  - Ghost
    
    What a stupid post, it’s obvious who I am talking about as you know who she is.
    
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    November 28, 2023 11:32am
    - rouppe
      
      The trouble is, it’s not clear whether you actually meant Jo Luxton, or whether you had been lazy with Chris Luxon.
      
      Putting a “Jo” or a “she” somewhere in the post would clear that up.
      
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      November 28, 2023 1:15pm
      - Ghost
        
        It’s actually very clear
        
        One spells their name Luxon, the other Luxton. One has been in politics since 2020, which is obvious he hadn’t had an electorate office since 2017.
        
        It’s obvious he knew who luxton is as he went on to describe her
        
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        November 28, 2023 1:23pm
      - MCōs
        
        Which office are you referring to?
        Ashburton or Timaru
        
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        November 28, 2023 2:23pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @Ghost @ 1:23PM
        
        Nevertheless, Ghost, rouppe is correct.
        
        I know you live in Timaru, but by no means do all other commenters know that, and that you meant Jo Luxton. But, when putting up such a truncated comment, knowing full well that there is a ‘Luxon’ in the mix, you really should have made it clear that you meant Jo, by simply saying, “Just went by Jo Luxton’s electorate office […].” That way, no-one had to pause and think (as even I did, just for a moment), who exactly is he referring to?
        
        It would have been a simple courtesy to the rest of us.
        
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        November 28, 2023 3:30pm
      - Ghost
        
        Timaru, it’s gone, her photo on the window gone, office empty.
        
        Disagree Steve. Mannering knew who I was talking about. The key that I was not talking about luxon is in the spelling.
        
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        November 28, 2023 4:04pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        No, Ghost, Captain Mainwaring asked you to clarify who you were referring to – although unfortunately, in doing so, he adopted his usual, angry old man style.
        
        As you can well imagine, he asked for clarification because, even now, commenters refer to the prime minister as ‘… Luxton’.
        
        We all know, though, don’t we, that you have brought this situation upon yourself. You have such an antipathy towards Jo Luxton that you can’t bring yourself to refer to her as ‘Jo Luxton’; for you, it can only be as ‘Luxton’.
        
        Besides, what does it matter that her office “is empty”? She is no longer an Electorate MP. Perhaps she is in the process of moving to cheaper premises. Was that the point of your 10:35AM comment; crowing that it looks like Labour is “cutting its cloth” to suit the new reality? If so, why didn’t you say that?
        
        As it stands, it looks like you posted, without context, an unnecessary, anti-Labour comment, because you anticipated it receiving widespread approval here.
        
        Well, it didn’t quite turn out that way, did it?
        
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        November 28, 2023 5:08pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGuRNpXjrks
Donald Trump’s 2025 Deportation Camp & Immigration Plan.
Sounds like a great plan for an extreme problem. That’s what we like about Trump, he’s not afraid to say and do what needs to be done to fix the problem. Biden administration doesn’t even think we have a problem. [18:42]
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November 28, 2023 10:44am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1MBB8Xkkfg
Revealing the TRUTH about Binance Scandal.
The key points I will be covering in this video will be the penalties Imposed on Binance and CZ and how it impacts the future of the crypto industry. Binance was just fined $4.3 billion, and its CEO CZ will step down, pay a $50 million fine, and faces future criminal sentencing. Despite these negative developments, Binance’s coin and financial stability haven’t drastically suffered. In fact, I see the increased government intervention as bullish indicators for the cryptocurrency market, particularly Bitcoin. [I don’t have any crypto. I thought some viewers might be interested though.] [9:41]
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November 28, 2023 10:44am
surfing

This feral criminal just needs to be locked up for the rest of his time on this earth. Can’t a judge order the removal of his facial tattoo?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/clean-slate-for-devast8-judge-tells-infamous-tattooed-offender-to-quit-crime-find-some-help/V7NPHNFH2JGQVOXZ5OI2JNMAL4/

He has just conned another judge. And he’ll be back, conning more judges.
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November 28, 2023 10:56am
- Ghost
  
  Just read that, judge needs to retire
  
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  November 28, 2023 11:43am
- cmm
  
  Dress for success.
  
  If you want to be seen as a professional then dress in a jacket and tie.
  
  If you want to be seen as criminal gang scum then get a facial tat.
  
  This is the prick who conned judges into believing that he was now on the straight and level a few years back. The bleeding heart judges fell for it.
  
  These socially oriented judges really have the Messiah complex. A few words of their guidance, some hugz and some leniency and “Go forth and sin no more.”
  
  Except they always come back…
  
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  November 28, 2023 12:02pm
  - kowtow
    
    No , the crims aren’t conning the judges .
    
    The judges are conning themselves .
    
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    November 28, 2023 1:00pm
Maggie Pie

Hundreds of my US based ‘X’ followers getting quite exercised about this.

Ukrainian President Volodymr Zelensky purportedly just bought himself
a couple of SUPERYACHTS ….like $75 million worth!!

https://www.youtube.com/@Shahzadnasir33

10% for the big guy 😀 😀 😀
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November 28, 2023 11:22am
- John Loveridge
  
  What about the thousands of your followers who aren’t, Maggie?
  
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  November 28, 2023 1:20pm
Ghost

Murdered because one side was butt hurt over a cartoon

Six French teenagers accused of being involved in the gruesome murder of a teacher are set to go to trial today.

The children were aged between 13 and 15 at the time of the killing of their teacher Samuel Paty in Paris in 2020.

They are accused of criminal conspiracy with intent to cause violence by pointing out the victim to the killer in school and making false accusations about him.

Article
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November 28, 2023 11:43am
- cmm
  
  Ah, the French….
  Except these French probably don’t eat typical French food like Jambon à la crème or Porc aux pruneaux.
  
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  November 28, 2023 11:55am
  - MCōs
    
    I’m not even sure what traditional Kiwi food is, but we were in New World the other day and I advised my wife not to buy some Danish pastries with cheese and marmite filling.
    
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    November 28, 2023 12:19pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      While I’ve got you there cossie….ask your wife for me why every Thai restaurant we go to, only ever has ‘Deep Fried Banana & Icecream’ for dessert?
      
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      November 28, 2023 12:32pm
    - sungsamning
      
      Excellent advice. Marmite, and vegemite are both revolting.
      
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      November 28, 2023 12:36pm
      - Colville
        
        I have been on a dive boat out in the Coral Sea where Marmite was used as a punishment for failure to fill in dive logs and or tidy/put away gear after coming back on board. Such is the dread it inspires in Northern Hemisphere folks 🙂
        Dive Controller was a fellow Kiwi (and my mate) so we “arranged” for a very up herself Yank chick to get fined on the final night along with me as a gag… fines were dealt out after dinner , a tablespoon of Marmite to be taken straight. Nothing with it.
        I licked mine like a lollipop (I love the stuff) and watched as she Yank as she psyched herself into a frenzy, turned green and ran out of the galley and vomited her dinner overboard.
        
        We waited till she came back and made her do six tequilas instead 🙂
        
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        November 28, 2023 2:50pm
  - kowtow
    
    And washing it down with a cheeky little vin de table would be a big no no too.
    
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    November 28, 2023 1:03pm
Maggie Pie

It just shows how much ‘AotearoaNZ’ has declined in the last 6 years under Labor,
when you hear National’s incoming Minister-of-Health say…..his FIRST PRIORITY is to increase security in our hospitals to ensure Doctors & Nurses are protected from assault.
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November 28, 2023 12:24pm
- septic skeptic
  
  I reckon they should treat Mongrel Mobsters at the vets anyway.
  
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  November 28, 2023 3:01pm
BeaB

Nicola Willis is a trailblazer for women. Have we ever had a young mother of 4 in such a high office of state?
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November 28, 2023 1:12pm
- cmm
  
  Let’s just cut the identity politics crap.
  
  Is she competent? Tick.
  
  That’s all that matters.
  
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  November 28, 2023 1:49pm
  - BeaB
    
    We were all supposedly starry-eyed at a woman older than Nicola having one baby while PM.
    Have been waiting for the media to gush excitedly over Nicola.
    
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    November 28, 2023 2:27pm
- MCōs
  
  Jim Bolger had nine young kids when he was PM.
  I wonder how much time these people get to spend with their children?
  
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  November 28, 2023 2:40pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Jim was urged to get a (k)nighthood
    
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    November 28, 2023 7:47pm
  - Sacha
    
    Back then Mums were still full-time carers/upbringers of their own children.
    Dads went to work, and dealt to recalcitrent kids when they came home. Woe betide the naughty ones if Dad had had a bad day –
    
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    November 28, 2023 9:55pm
    - Ghost
      
      Hog wash. Back then both my parents worked as did everyone else’s I knew. Hell, all our staff when I was a kid were working mothers.
      
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      November 28, 2023 9:58pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Nobody’s mum worked when I grew up. They sat round in the afternoon swapping valium and ludes, drinking vodka and coke and smoking Embassy Regal King Size.
        
        Late 60s, early 70s. Maybe a different era?
        
        Mum worked when she was single in the early 50s. Stopped as soon as she got married.
        
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        November 29, 2023 7:45am
- Ghost
  
  Been mothers before her in high positions. I think it was Richardson that used to leave the chamber to breast feed her baby.
  
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  November 28, 2023 2:50pm
kowtow

The Islamic Republic of Iran has just hanged a 17 year old teenager . Hamidreza Azari.
This is reportedly the 685th hanging there this year .

Where’s the outrage .
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November 28, 2023 1:14pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Right here. There persians are by and large good people, choking under ante-diluvian malignant hypocritcal arseholes in Islamic raiments. Line every one of those murderous evil Theocrats up against the wall and shoot them.
  
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  November 28, 2023 3:32pm
BeaB

Men in the media are creepily transfixed by Mrs Luxon’s arms.
Clearly far more enticing to them than Ms Ardern’s choppers. Not that we were ever allowed to say a word about them
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November 28, 2023 1:14pm
- KH
  
  Actually it’s the women who notice her arms.
  
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  November 28, 2023 2:38pm
- imalwaysright
  
  I don’t think her lips ever made contact with each other
  
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  November 28, 2023 3:36pm
- Swifty
  
  What is it about his arms BeaB?
  
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  November 28, 2023 4:21pm
  - Swifty
    
    Sorry, I misread that. It’s her arms not his.
    
    Got it.
    
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    November 28, 2023 5:16pm
John Loveridge

Does the prospective general dialing back of the rampant Maorification of everything mean that we might have some public buildings bestowed with English names for a change? Perhaps libraries can once again be called libraries?
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November 28, 2023 1:19pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Winnie’s on the case 😀
  
  https://tiktok.com/@ministry_of_memes/video/7305642678744599826
  
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  November 28, 2023 1:37pm
thirteenstars

Chloe Swarbrick interviews Brooke van Velden, ably assisted by some blonde chick in a pink dress:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG0SCX1_grw

TVNZ’s new slogan: The Mask Is Off.
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November 28, 2023 1:28pm
cmm

If you thought Hamas using their own population as human shields was low, now they’re using hostage babies:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/301016540/hamas-no-longer-has-control-of-its-youngest-israeli-hostage-idf-says
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November 28, 2023 1:43pm
- kowtow
  
  I didn’t click on the link but the Israeli media had reported some time ago that it was not just Hamas terrorists who kidnapped Israelis but also the palestinian islamic jihad and even organised crime groups who’re known to operate in Gaza also took advantage of the carnage started by hamas to also invade Israel to their own advantage and took hostages too.
  
  And the political Elites think that the inhabitants of a territory like that can be part of a ‘two state ” solution .
  
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  November 28, 2023 2:15pm
cmm

Well it looks like some of the government trougher that got fat on Cindy’s watch will have to tighten their belts.

Good.

Double whammy of losing your job and being upside down in the housing market will be painful, but sleep with dogs and you get fleas.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/301016437/public-sector-job-cuts-weighing-on-wellington-house-prices-anz-says
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November 28, 2023 1:46pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

No Americans in the initial releases.
Hamas want a better deal?
For God’s sake get Trump in there to do the negotiations. Terrorists should not be bargained with! Wise words from Trump in the last video.

https://www.thepoliticalglobe.com/trump-expresses-concern-over-absence-of-american-hostages-in-recent-release-deal/?
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November 28, 2023 2:09pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  get Trump in there to do the negotiations
  
  vs
  
  Terrorists should not be bargained with
  
  I think you need to make up your mind there, Steve.
  
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  November 28, 2023 2:22pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Terrorists should not be bargained with was aimed at soft cock lefties =- and there are many even in NZ. Trump would be negotiating, not bargaining. Some don’t seem to see the difference.
    As usual you fail to grasp it Mike. Be a good boy and go and do the work you are being paid for.
    
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    November 28, 2023 2:32pm
    - Libertarians are right
      
      Mike thinks Trump is a Terrorist because Mike is terrified of Trump.
      
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      November 28, 2023 2:42pm
    - kevn
      
      SteveO… Plenty for mma to do in Petone. Isn’t there?
      
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      November 28, 2023 3:20pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      You need to enlarge on the distinction between negotiating and bargaining before you could convince me, Steve.
      Perhaps Trump could ‘negotiate’ with Hamas and ‘fall in love’ like he did with Kim Jong-un.
      
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      November 28, 2023 4:20pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        “You don’t have to like someone to respect them, and with that respect you gain respect in return” DJT.
        Negotiating is what adults do, bargaining is what children do. Which do you prefer?
        
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        November 29, 2023 7:57am
- NothingLeft
  
  You can’t win against guerillas unless the population they hide among stop cooperating with them. In practice that means they have to be much more afraid of you than the guerillas, and able to dob them in.
  
  If Israel were to announce that they will be keeping 1km² of Gaza levelling another 1km² and executing 100 Hamas fighters for every hostage not returned then I suspect there would be a much greater chance that they would return them forthwith.
  
  This is within hamas’s power to avert
  
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  November 28, 2023 3:11pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Yes, Israel just needs to kill more Palestinians till they give up. 16,000 obviously not enough yet.
    
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    November 28, 2023 4:22pm
    - mandk
      
      16,000 is nothing.
      
      It’s way less than the 9,550,000 Israelis the Palestinians would undoubtedly kill if they had the ability to do so.
      
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      November 28, 2023 4:28pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Not an either/or.
        In any event, killing thousands of Palestinians is actually making Israelis less safe.
        
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        November 28, 2023 5:18pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Is Newshubs political reporter Jenna Lynch living on the edge?
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November 28, 2023 2:25pm
- Albie
  
  Maggie, can you please refer to her by her correct name- Agenda Lynchmob! And yes, I agree that she, along with The Marvellous John Campbell, Slimon Wilson and others are in total melt down.
  So much fun isn’t it?
  
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  November 28, 2023 5:52pm
All_on_Red

Looks like the truth is starting to emerge
Good. Fauci shouldnt get away with his deceptive behaviour.
‘The health official who conspired with Anthony Fauci to downplay suggestions Covid-19 leaked from a Wuhan laboratory has revealed he lies awake at night agonising about the chain of events they set in motion.
The former Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response at the US Department of Health, Dr Robert Kadlec, has told Sky News he feels obligated to reveal confidential discussions he had with Dr Fauci, America’s top infectious diseases adviser, about diverting attention away from the lab leak theory.’
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/us-department-of-health-official-who-conspired-with-anthony-fauci-to-downplay-covid-lableak-theory-reveals-agonising-over-his-actions/news-story/f568f544d4b5eb05fb26dc3e198f50ae
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November 28, 2023 2:48pm
Ghost

Free Speech Union’s Jonathan Ayling talking about Lucy and another case where a man protesting the Palestine protestors was arrested and charged. He asked police if he could take an Israeli flag, was told they advise against it but he was allowed. Showed up with the flag, had it taken off him and arrested.

The Platform
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November 28, 2023 2:58pm
- Ghost
  
  More on the second story
  
  Second arrest of protestor shows concerning pattern of police disregard for free speech
  
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  November 28, 2023 3:10pm
  - mandk
    
    It’s not surprising really.
    
    The cops are scared of dealing with the antisemites in the same way as they are scared of dealing with the gangs.
    
    It’s an aspect of Coster’s policing-by-consent approach.
    
    Lucy and the dude who got arrested for carrying the Israeli flag should have said that they didn’t consent to being arrested.
    
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    November 28, 2023 4:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Democrats doing a trial run on voting machines? What about touchless touching with laser? Here comes the Democrats 2024 cheat!!

https://www.rvmnews.com/2023/11/voting-machine-glitches-resurface-in-pennsylvania-ahead-of-2024-election/?

https://www.sensortips.com/featured/how-can-lasers-be-used-for-touch-sensing/

So the vote counters stand way behind you and change your vote from Trump to Biden!
We use it every day – think TV remote. OK infrared. Think supermarket self checkout. Think ATM.
No doubt there will be brains on this blog who can explain deeper. My electronics is limited to power supply and mechanics.
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November 28, 2023 3:03pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Oh dear. Is this from the same sort of people who blamed Italian satellites or bamboo ballot papers for Trump’s 2020 loss?
  
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  November 28, 2023 4:24pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I did not know you were such an expert on touch technology Mike, but I was hoping for an answer from someone who could prove it possible or not.
    Next you will be telling me the Dems did not cheat in 2020. What a joke you are.
    
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    November 29, 2023 8:07am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump threatens Democracy. No shit. Let’s tell some more lies 🙂

https://buzzbombmedia.com/2023/11/21/trump-threatens-democracy-but-no-one-can-explain-how/?
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November 28, 2023 4:08pm
- mandk
  
  “Trump “Threatens Democracy,” But No One Can Explain How”
  
  And this, of course, means that he does nothing of the sort.
  
  I put arguments like that in the same category as “Israel is an apartheid state” (when it is the only real non-apartheid state in its region) and “National only care for their rich buddies” (when it is actually Labour that practises crony-capitalism).
  
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  November 28, 2023 4:18pm
Swifty

I expect any moment now a spittle-washed, foam-flecked, rabid, end-of-days-predicting press release from Sanjana Hattotuwa from the Disinformation Project and the other people and groups that decried the abuse and depersonalisation of Ardern:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/wellington-city-councillor-teri-oneill-defends-decision-to-post-flyers-of-christopher-luxon-david-seymour-and-winston-peters-as-genitals/A2EOLZYVPNENFM7YEZO7B2MZ24/

Waiting……..
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November 28, 2023 4:20pm
- miltonF
  
  What the heck? That’s kind of unbelievable. How does Wellington manage to elect so many childish fools?
  
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  November 28, 2023 5:32pm
Nickc2

Don’t mess with these little ladies!
It’s amazing what four little ladies from the Israeli Defence Force (IDF) can do when the survival of their country is at risk.
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2023/11/well-done-those-women-warriors-shows-what-good-people-with-guns-can-achieve.html
Full screen recommended.
Well done ladies!
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November 28, 2023 4:21pm
F E Smith

I can’t see if this has been raised today, but I just want to note my disappointment that the Dunedin City Council is going to fly a Palestinian flag as an expression of solidarity with the people of Gaza. The very same people who elected and are governed by a terrorist organisation. The very same people who overwhelmingly support the actions of Hamas on 7 October. That a New Zealand local body would support such genocidal actions as those of Hamas is beyond appalling.

I am always amazed at how people can associate themselves with such horrific actions but trying to pretend that they stand with the people, as apart from their government. I shudder to think what would have happened had the Allies accepted such an argument during WW2. Imagine arguing that the German people should be protected at all costs, supplied and supported by the Allies, because they weren’t responsible for what the Nazis were doing? Such an argument leads to the sort of response that we get from Hamas:

https://www.memri.org/tv/hamas-official-mousa-abu-marzouk-tunnels-gaza-protect-fighters-%20not-civilians

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/133359483/council-to-fly-nz-flag-halfmast-as-visible-symobol-over-gaza-conflict
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November 28, 2023 4:34pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Pelosi’s daughter Alex admitting ‘J6’ was bullshit.
Oh dear, Alex gets no Christmas from Mummy. Nancy will be spitting tacks!
Nancy could have stopped this, twice, by the National Guard, but “NO” to then still POTUS Donald Trump

https://www.thepoliticalglobe.com/revelations-from-pelosis-daughter-shatter-january-6th-insurrection-claims/?
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November 28, 2023 5:06pm
- RichardX
  
  Nancy could have stopped this, twice, by the National Guard, but “NO” to then still POTUS Donald Trump
  
  Still incapable of providing evidence to support your claim but don’t let facts get in your way.
  
  You don’t even have the self awareness to comprehend the hypocrisy of your position on fake news.
  
  While you’re at it you could try providing evidence of Ardern’s millions or Michelle Obama’s biological sex.
  
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  November 28, 2023 11:44pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Probably best I start with how many idiots there are on this blog who can’t use google.
    They are all lefties – strange that.
    
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    November 29, 2023 8:21am
Ghost

Sad what the left is doing

Wellington City Councillor Teri O’Neill has defended her decision to post flyers featuring Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and his two deputies inside the image of a penis around Wellington City.

O’Neill took pictures of herself and her friends sticking the posters up around the city on Friday night and posted them to social media yesterday.

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November 28, 2023 5:13pm
- Ghost
  
  Wait, is that meant to be a Molotov cocktail in her hand?
  
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  November 28, 2023 5:26pm
- miltonF
  
  You’d think a councillor would have something better to do than this childish stunt. How embarrassing for her.
  
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  November 28, 2023 5:34pm
- Steve Todd
  
  Ghost: This one I can agree with. Thank you for bringing this article to our attention. Teri O’Neill’s behaviour was puerile: completely unbecoming an elected representative.
  
  She is one of my three ward councillors. In 2025, instead of ranking her in the top half of my preferences, as I did in 2019 and 2022, she will be relegated to the bottom half.
  
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  November 28, 2023 5:48pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Right. 5.21 pm. Have the socialists gone for their craft beer shandy and run for the train? Has that old guy with the broom gone?
Right, open the Jack Daniels and go through today’s nonsense!!
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November 28, 2023 5:20pm
Chuck Bird

I see the feminist view on rape is Me Too unless you are Jew.
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November 28, 2023 5:29pm
Ghost

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith invoked her signature sovereignty act legislation on Monday in a move that takes aim at Ottawa’s electricity regulations while also laying the groundwork for the creation of a new provincial Crown corporation that would become the province’s power “generator of last resort.”

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November 28, 2023 6:22pm
Ghost

Coster says he has the ministers’s confidence, however…..

However, Mitchell refused to voice confidence, saying he had “no comment at this stage”.
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November 28, 2023 6:33pm
Ghost

Hmmmm, the child slipped through the sunroof.

I’m just trying to work out how you slip out of a sunroof.

I’m looking at this wrong

Most honest and transparent government ever, we will be your single source of truth, slipped through a sunroof

Oh I get it now. She’s a liar

An Australian woman has apologised after video footage of her driving with an unrestrained child on her windscreen shocked residents.

On Sunday, witnesses filmed the moment the boy was spotted lying face-down on the moving vehicle.

The young boy can be seen on the windscreen, clinging to the roof of the vehicle driving through Melbourne’s Pakenham, before climbing up and making his way inside through the open sunroof.

The 27-year-old woman who was driving the car handed herself in to police on Monday, according to 7News.

She apologised for putting her friend’s child in danger and claimed the 11-year-old had slipped through the sunroof.

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