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Opie

Winston to some media labour lickspittle:

“Please don’t start off this government with your antagonistic attitude. You lost… You lost”

I couldn’t bring myself to vote for him but really glad he is there.
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November 25, 2023 8:05am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  If anyone is going to tear it down it will only be him
  
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  November 25, 2023 10:48am
- surfing
  
  He’s pretty good for an 80 year old. Telling that they lost the election is gold!
  
  What’s Winston going to do about the media’s taxpayer honeypot?
  
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  November 25, 2023 2:10pm
  - Scooter
    
    That’s literally the million dollar question. Governments should have no part in funding the media, especially when the MSM have been so biased against National & co, it would be like enabling your abuser. If they fail, they fail.
    
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    November 25, 2023 8:55pm
Vinicius

The Chch Press reports that a lack of leadership and accountability is putting billions of dollars worth of public assets at risk, according to a leaked report into the Christchurch City Council’s asset management.

The public assets include underground pipes, roads, parks and playgrounds, as well as facilities such as libraries, pools and community centres. Organisational restructures and staff turnovers have made the problems worse.

Issues include maintenance of assets is years behind. When it comes to three waters, the council has 90% confidence in the quantity of assets. It only only has 50% confidence in the condition and performance of its assets.

Also, the council CEO and Chief Financial Officer both left the council within the last 10 days creating an even bigger vacuum at management levels within the CCC.

The new Minister of Local Government Simeon Brown will probably be in for some unwanted surprises when reading briefing papers and being updated by officials in the next week or so about the state of local government across NZ.

https://www.thepress.co.nz/nz-news/350117823/billions-dollars-public-assets-risk
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November 25, 2023 8:07am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I think the new mayor had good intentions but I fear that he is not up to the task.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:38am
  - Vinicius
    
    And apparently the culture at the CCC has gone toxic.
    
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    November 25, 2023 9:45am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I think a lot of the rot was gathering pace under Lianne Dalziel’s reign (2013 -2022)
    
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    November 25, 2023 10:10am
  - John Loveridge
    
    I have begun referring to him as Mauger Disappointment.
    
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    November 25, 2023 10:12am
    - The Housekeeper
      
      Quite so JL, I voted for Mauger to get rid of People’s Choice and then he names a People’s Choice candidate, Pauline Cotter, as his Deputy. Cotter won her seat by 16 votes. I am kicking myself for not voting for Meates.
      
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      November 25, 2023 11:35am
- Burtland
  
  theres something rotten in the Christchurch Council, the rats are scattering
  
  Dawn Baxendale – CEO
  Leah Scales -CFO
  Jane Davis – GM Infrastructure
  Helen Beaumont – 3Waters Head
  
  diversity was supposed to be a good thing – maybe not
  
  https://www.thepress.co.nz/nz-news/350117045/councils-three-waters-unit-had-65m-blowout-unapproved-hiring-staff
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:56am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Assuming men and women are equally competent and capable of getting such roles the chances of all being women is only 6%. But in reality women are less likely to peruse high-effort /high achievement/ long working hours career paths due to personal preferences and interests in more social and child focused lifestyles. So chances of this are even lower than 6%. Unless there is selection bias in play of which senior roles are being looked at.
    
    Evidence of a toxic exclusionary misandric leadership environment?
    
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    November 25, 2023 10:22am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    4/4 females. Major diversity fail.
    
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    November 25, 2023 6:07pm
Cassandra

We’ve got a Gold Card birthday lunch today so I’m not going to spoil the mood by reading Tova O’Brien’s latest dismal offering but the headline was unavoidable. They’re all at it, forecasting doom and discord before the Cabinet has even been sworn in. I suppose that’s what journalism is these days but I’m not going to support it or encourage them. On the other hand The Times is mostly what you’d expect, good quality reporting. Only mostly. So far the new Government looks pretty good.
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November 25, 2023 8:13am
3-coil

It’s hilarious watching the MainStreamMedia’s triggered reaction to the new 3-party government! “Those who voted for change are going to get it good and hard” 😂

No, it was due to the MSM’s attempt to fracture the Right vote by promoting Winston-1st. The left-wing media got exactly what they promoted…..oops! Their hubris made them forget the old adage: be careful what you wish for. Every bit of “regressive, far right, destructive” legislation with Winston’s fingerprints on it will be thanks to Tova, Jessica, Luke, Jenna et al – thanks girls! You can be proud of your success!

Ah! the law of unintended consequences 😈
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November 25, 2023 8:13am
- Swifty
  
  When Ardern said over and over “ours will be a transformational government” did the news media put shit into her about it?
  
  No, they didn’t.
  
  Most of them didn’t even ask the basic questions “Transform to what? Transform why?”
  
  No, they just lapped it up like the poodles they were. And still are.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:36am
- Stellaboxer
  
  “ what does the new government mean for Maori “ Newshub headline. Simple same as it means for all the rest of us others and that’s what’s panicking them.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:52am
  - Swifty
    
    “For those used to special treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.”
    
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    November 25, 2023 10:18am
    - mawm
      
      Swifty – The wisdom of Thomas Sowell.
      
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      November 25, 2023 10:51am
- Murray
  
  From despair to hope, thats how I felt yesterday. I voted NZ1 for the first time ever this election, never thought I would but he was the only one talking about the things I felt were important, yes I’m a freedom voter. I had to take the chance on Peter’s. There were many here bagging him but he did what he said he said he would do, love him or not that’s all you can ask for. Congrats to all three leaders for putting their differences aside for the betterment of New Zealand. As the saying goes, the people always get the government they deserve, maybe the people have got this one right, time will tell.
  
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  November 25, 2023 10:27am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Let’s hope ya chance on Peters does not shaft a promising looking government early as it always has
    
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    November 25, 2023 10:53am
  - Graeme Hall
    
    Look at his long record of destruction, deception, & self gratification. As Pam Corkery once said “Some people grow to like the taste of shit.”
    
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    November 25, 2023 12:40pm
    - Paulus
      
      Corkery did !
      
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      November 25, 2023 3:41pm
- Nickc2
  
  The aforementioned will probably turn their talents (or lack thereof) to pressuring our new Govt into importing terrorism (faux Palestinian Refugees).
  Look what’s happening in Aust!
  
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  November 25, 2023 10:28am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Interesting times in Ireland. The usual chavs are looting sportswear and alcohol, but they’re just opportunists. The underlying issue is too much immigration – 1m are foreign born out of a population of 5m (sound familiar?) – and this in a country where immigration was rare until 20-odd years ago. And before the racists get on their high horses, a noticeable percentage of immigrants are Ukrainian.

The relevant question is, what is a reasonable level of immigration? Putting aside the foreign doctors vs foreign social housing occupiers, at what point does a host country find its culture overwhelmed? In NZ’s case, immigration is concentrated in Auckland. Some here advocate for a population of 10m. Do we really want Auckland to have a population of 5m? Will the sort of city that would emerge really be what people coming to NZ are looking for?

Lots of questions; I’m asking here because the big picture side of immigration is seldom discussed in public discourse.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/503184/dublin-riot-sees-clashes-with-police-after-five-hurt-in-stabbings
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November 25, 2023 8:13am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  But the stabber was not Ukrainian was he?
  
  Seems to ask where the stabber was from, and if he was an immigrant/refugee is deeply racist.
  
  But the footage pretty clearly shows that he was unlikely to have been born in Dublin, unless Dublin is in Algeria.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:37am
  - PeeJay
    
    I find it weird when I read these stories, sadly becoming increasingly common overseas, where the media does everything it can to avoid stating where the particular individual came from. One of the reasons journalists are increasingly distrusted is this avoidance of stating simple facts – it’s not like people can’t find this out themselves!
    
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    November 25, 2023 11:03am
- KH
  
  I would vote for five million because others might too.
  But I think we would be a better place, and richer, with two million.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:39am
  - NothingLeft
    
    The reason USA and Europe do so well is due to large internal markets and network effects from large populations.
    
    Smaller population makes you more reliant upon foreign trade, and makes lots of goods and services more expensive, reduces essential net-work effects needed to grow and make industries more efficient and makes it harder for businesses to expand to point where they can be competitive exporters. It also reduces the pool of high talent individuals who create business and industries.
    
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    November 25, 2023 10:29am
    - Taieri
      
      It also reduces the pool of high talent individuals
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      Bus drivers in particular…
      
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      November 25, 2023 12:04pm
    - Che Guava
      
      Standard of living and quality of life are not the same thing. Treating a country like a marketplace instead of peoples’ home is a recipe for disaster. The logic of capitalism necessitates endless immigration, because endless growth is imperative. Of course, endless growth in a finite world is completely contradictory and delusional. But there’s too much short term profit to be made to worry about the inevitable consequences of your ideology.
      
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      November 25, 2023 12:12pm
- Swifty
  
  As far as I’m aware NZ still doesn’t have a population strategy.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:42am
  - Che Guava
    
    Keep bringing them in until the shit hits the fan. Not a strategy of course, but an inevitable equation. Then when the economy implodes, all we’ll have left is inter-ethnic antagonism and competition for resources among people without a common bond.
    
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    November 25, 2023 12:16pm
    - Swifty
      
      No, you’re wrong about that.
      
      Diversity is our strength.
      
      Yes, the less we have in common the more we are united.
      
      Or something…..
      
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      November 25, 2023 2:16pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Immigration into Western countries is virtue signaled as some kind of human rights triumph. The reality is that this ball got rolling to fix the retirement ponzi scheme which has been undermined by the wealthy breeding less so they can earn more while still expecting the state to provide everything once they stop earning.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:47am
  - kowtow
    
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    The Elites , particularly in Germany , have used the pension issue as a deception/outright lie ( mis/disinformation to use their language) to silence opposition and to act as some sort of excuse for the mass , uncontrolled migration.
    
    With automation , de industrialisation to the third world , housing and welfare for these people , many of whom will never work or will do only menial work and never pay net taxes the pension argument is simply wrong.
    
    I don’t know what it is the Elites think they’ll achieve with the mass migration but they themselves know it ain’t got anythingto do with pension timebombs.They can’t be that thick.
    
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    November 25, 2023 10:04am
    - mawm
      
      It’s almost as if they are using Raspail’s “Camp of Saints” as their play book.
      
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      November 25, 2023 10:59am
      - Keith White
        
        A frighteningly accurate prophetic novel.
        
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        November 25, 2023 2:01pm
  - waikatosinger
    
    There is clearly an agenda beyond that. The native Irish population is reproducing at well above replacement rate (Catholics – what can I say) and they STILL push immigration. It really does seem like an anti-white replacement ideology.
    
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    November 25, 2023 12:12pm
    - kowtow
      
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      Are you sure about the left footers in ireland
      
      I’ve checked and like the rest of Europe they too are below replacement rate . 1.7 ish.
      
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      November 25, 2023 1:35pm
- MCōs
  
  Ireland is nothing like NZ
  The population of the whole of Ireland was about 8mil in 1840 before the potato famine
  It is less than that now.
  Huge numbers died from starvation and huge numbers emigrated to the US, Australia, NZ and wherever else
  I went to Ireland for a week fifty years ago and compared to the UK it was like a third world country. Few people were going to immigrate there.
  It wasn’t until the 1990s when the economy boomed that immigrants arrived in numbers including returning Irish.
  NZ has always attracted immigrants and everyone’s family originated elsewhere
  
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  November 25, 2023 10:19am
  - NothingLeft
    
    The potato famine was best thing to ever happen to the Irish gene pool. More than 100 of million more descendents world wide as a result
    
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    November 25, 2023 10:32am
- rouppe
  
  Also worth noting that the EU was forcing Ireland to take all those people. Ireland were even fined by the EU.
  
  No one is forcing us…
  
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  November 25, 2023 11:40am
  - Keith White
    
    No-one needs to force us when the Public Disservice and Policy Wonks are all in favour of population replacement.
    
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    November 25, 2023 2:02pm
Clyde

I am hugely heartened by the ambitious programme announced by the new Government yesterday. The changes in education, justice, the whole maorification shambles, and the savings to be made in the public “service” which has been turned into the Labour Party back office, are all exciting.

Of course the dear old media have been flat out looking for stories based round “what happens when it all turns to shit?” and I think they got a taste of things to come from Winston yesterday.

Overall, the sense of optimism is there and it clearly is backed up by some well-thought out policies to get rid of the Ardern/Hipkins/Robertson legacy of hard left ideologies. And didn’t the media love going to Hipkins so he could tell us that NZ was never going to be more divided? It was his government that has radicalised the left and promoted the absolute crap that now pervades our society.

So, best wishes to Luxon, Seymour and Peters. You have our backs – get on with all that is necessary to reform New Zealand.
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November 25, 2023 8:14am
- Positan
  
  Clyde, I confess I have grave reservations about Luxon’s ACTUAL position when it comes to measures of demaorification.
  
  ACT’s Treaty referendum must have been one of the “sticking points” of coalition talks because National has only agreed to permit Seymour to present his Bill and let it go to Select Committee – without any promise or shred of support past that. Any reasoning mind would detect only the odour of a convenient political manoeuvre to kill it.
  
  Luxon has a very long way to go to earn my trust.
  
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  November 25, 2023 2:16pm
Simon

Friday’s announcements were very impressive. Can’t think of a more positive day politically for NZ. It was the Renaissance replacing the Dark ages. The two coalition agreements clear repudiation of the garbage inflicted upon NZ over the last six years. The policy in the agreements are credible, show intent, allows for accountability, and generally serve the people. A very good day for NZ
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November 25, 2023 8:22am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Hahahaha, go look at the pathetic weak and gutless weasel words from Hipkins, if he thinks that negativity towards the change the majority voted for will help his cause then he is the most delusional fool ever to grace the PMs office
  
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  November 25, 2023 10:56am
  - Positan
    
    Giant, old son, I’m baffled as to why the “media” deem it even remotely relevant to feature Hipkins at all. They certainly didn’t give the same opportunity to Bill English following the 2017 election – and with Hipkins’ absolutely disastrous subsequent performances in Education, Police and Health, who’d deem it even remotely reliable to ask him for the time of day?
    
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    November 25, 2023 2:22pm
G152

Watching the nonsense vids of Gaza hospitals I note the lack of orderliness with ‘patients’ being carried through very very cluttered rooms lit by the nonexistant electricity and strewn with other ‘patients’ lying about on the floor.
Used to be a system we used called Triage where you graded patients before treatment.
At no time was the discipline that that system requires was observed.
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November 25, 2023 8:24am
david

And the world was at peace after 6 years of turmoil.
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November 25, 2023 8:25am
slightlyrighty

I’m hoping that the new Government can fulfill it’s promise. I have confidence that Luxon and Seymour will work well together, and work out differences in a calm and rational manner.

However, after the press conference yesterday, I am possessed of a certain uncertainty regarding the conduct of one W. Peters.

In playing to his base, he is presenting as a bit of a loose cannon, and an abrasive one at that. His ongoing relationship with the Media in particular will be interesting.
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November 25, 2023 8:27am
- waikatosinger
  
  Loose cannons can sometimes be useful, if they are pointed in the right direction.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:47am
  - MCōs
    
    That’s a contradiction
    Loose cannons , by definition, don’t point in the right direction.
    
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    November 25, 2023 10:22am
    - waikatosinger
      
      They can point in the right direction. But recoil can be a bitch.
      
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      November 25, 2023 12:24pm
      - kowtow
        
        When the barrel explodes everyone anywhere near gets hit by the shrapnel.
        
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        November 25, 2023 3:59pm
- wsk12345
  
  I’m hoping they can make it work in a kind of good cop bad cop way.
  Have to admire Peters for his straight speaking- it’s not surprising at all that he has had such an interesting political career!
  
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  November 25, 2023 11:39am
- Keith White
  
  If you’ll excuse the pedantry, the thing about a loose cannon is that initially it’s a major hazard to defenders as it careers backwards and forwards across the deck. But if the ship is boarded, then the loose cannon is a hazard for defenders and invaders alike. Further, the general fate of a loose cannon is it’s either grabbed and tied down, or it bursts through a bulwark and goes to David Jones locker. Two out of two ain’t bad.
  
  Of course very occasionally if the ship goes down so does the loose cannon – but in every life a little rain doth fall.
  
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  November 25, 2023 2:06pm
Grumpy Silver Haired Female

It now feels sort of safe for my blood pressure to read the Herald again. No more made up stories about the negotiations. They still have partisan writers but we needn’t read their scribbles.
All hail the tripartate coalition!
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November 25, 2023 8:29am
wairarapapaul

Good to see 28 Ministers, there’s lots of work to do so a full team is needed.
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November 25, 2023 8:29am
artemisia

Mr Hipkins – “This is definitely going to be a government that drives people apart and lead to more polarisation of the nation than we have seen to date.”

I think there will be a clash of priorities, as promised, and that clash actions will find that the quiet opinions of the quiet majority will be vindicated.

There was a post on KB a while back asking for one word to describe the Labour-led government. IIRC ‘divisive’ featured bigly.
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November 25, 2023 8:30am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The Labour government were the most divisive in the country’s history, on so many fronts. Incredible the amount of damage they are responsible for.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:45am
Nukuleka

RNZ news tells us this morning- in gushing tones- that one John Campbell considers Kim Hill to have been the greatest journalist NZ has produced.

Well, now we know.
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November 25, 2023 8:37am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  One lefty idiot praises another one. What a surprise.
  
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  November 25, 2023 8:39am
- Vinicius
  
  Campbell has been a busy fellow writing an odd opinion piece about the new coalition government.
  
  Hint: he doesn’t like what he’s seeing. Ain’t that a shock
  
  https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/11/25/john-campbell-i-hoped-to-be-surprised-actually-im-amazed/
  
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  November 25, 2023 8:45am
- Paulus
  
  Who is John Campbell ?
  Kim Hill is the best we have had in years.
  Go well Kim.
  
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  November 25, 2023 8:46am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Campbell is the second best!//
  
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  November 25, 2023 8:48am
  - Ultima
    
    Campbell won accolades finding people sleeping in cars which then mysteriously disappeared under Labour govt. He also managed to get John Key to explain how Norton antivirus works (look it up on YouTube).
    
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    November 25, 2023 9:11am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I guarantee he will be interviewing homeless people any day now.
      
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      November 25, 2023 9:41am
      - PeeJay
        
        You can almost picture it eh? The fake tears running down his cheeks etc. Where was he for the last six years? Prick.
        
        Sad thing is we all know what we can expect from the media for the next three years – attack after attack, hounding MP’s, checking MP’s histories in the hope of a gotcha moment and incessant negativity, all under the veneer of the suddenly rediscovered (but missing in action for six years) we are the fourth estate and we hold the government to account.
        
        Pricks the lot of them.
        
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        November 25, 2023 11:11am
  - imalwaysright
    
    S.O
    When will the media realise that they are unemployable.
    The lay offs have already begun.
    Where will they go to for work.
    For what purpose would someone in their right mind pay money to Campbell and his ilk.
    
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    November 25, 2023 9:13am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Nothing wrong with media as long as they report News and not Fake News.
      Give me Tucker Carlson types any day.
      
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      November 25, 2023 10:20am
    - sungsamning
      
      I think Stuff will go down the gurgler first. they’ve had the election ad spend, PIJF, a Christmas ad spend to come. Then comes the silly season. No more ad spends until Easter. That’s not nearly as big as Christmas. The time before last; they were bought for a six, or seven figure sum. The last time it was $1. Hopefully there will be a mini-budget canning the PIJF; which goes until 2026. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re gone by June 30th.
      
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      November 25, 2023 1:26pm
- Yvette
  
  “the greatest journalist NZ has produced”
  
  As they say for the Academy Awards:
  “For your consideration, Brian Edwards”
  
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  November 25, 2023 8:49am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    Ian Fraser
    
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    November 25, 2023 9:48am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Lindsey Perigo, Ian Johnston, Fred Colman
      
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      November 25, 2023 9:00pm
- Mike
  
  She is certainly one of our very best.
  A couple of hits:
  Prison escaper Arthur Taylor;
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018808230/ex-con-arthur-taylor-i-take-full-responsibility
  Posie Parker:
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018883114/anti-transgender-activist-on-stoush-around-her-entering-nz
  
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  November 25, 2023 8:55am
- G152
  
  Maybe ther are other reasons for such a claim
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:51am
Chuck Bird

Good to see some of the Israeli hostages released. The UN is trying to pressure Israel to continue the ceasefire. The children who were realised were all under 10. The UN refers to the Palestinians released as women and children. Whereas they were youths who committed violent crimes.

There is no way Israel should stop as long as Hamas has the ability to fire rockets into Israel.
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November 25, 2023 8:38am
- KiwiSapper
  
  “….Whereas they were youths who committed violent crimes….”
  Really, can you supply a link / whatever to evidence of this?
  
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  November 25, 2023 8:45am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I see your incredulous, show-me-the-evidence pleading hands. Tell me, do you think young males in Gaza sit at home browsing Tik Toc while the grown-ups alone build munitions sites under hospitals?
    
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    November 25, 2023 9:56am
    - kowtow
      
      I’m surprised that some posters here , ostensibly a political/engaged forum can’t do basic investigation , so easy to find. It makes you wonder whether they’re simply trolling.
      
      Ample evidence .
      
      ‘Another is Shuruk Duwayyat, a resident of East Jerusalem, who was convicted of attempted murder in Jerusalem’s Old City. In October 2015, she stabbed two Jews, injuring one of them. In addition to her prison sentence, the court ordered her to compensate the two victims with a sum of 80,000 shekels.
      Also on the list is a 16-year-old girl from East Jerusalem who, at the beginning of last week, received a 12-year prison sentence from the Jerusalem District Court for stabbing Moriah Cohen in December 2021 in front of her five children. The girl, who is expected to be released from Israeli prison, was convicted of attempted murder, terror offenses and obstruction of justice.’
      
      https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hyhzclsea
      
      And it’s the same with all the trolling from a couple of usual suspects here about the jewish conspirators building tunnels under hospitals.
      
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      November 25, 2023 10:44am
      - Che Guava
        
        So two instances and all bets are off on every Palestinian? The argument isn’t that “no Palestinian youth commit offences aganst Jews” it is that “indiscriminate murder of all Palestinians because some of them commit offences is wrong.” In other words, it’s just as wrong for Hamas to kill a Jew just because of the actions of the Jewish state as it is for Israel to kill a Palestinian just because of the actions of Hamas.
        
        As a rational moral principle, if every Palestinian can be collectively punished for the actions of some Palestinians, then it follows that every Jew can be collectively punished for the actions of some Jews.
        
        The only reason you could reject this is if you felt Jewish lives are intrinsically more worthy than Palestinians. That’s fine, but that’s also something other than a universal moral principle. That’s chauvinism or even supremacism.
        
        Moreover, ” In October 2015, she stabbed two Jews, injuring one of them. In addition to her prison sentence, the court ordered her to compensate the two victims with a sum of 80,000 shekels.”
        
        How do you stab two people but only injure one of them? To stab is to injure, surely?
        
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        November 25, 2023 11:30am
      - Jake Dee
        
        None of the people captured, imprisoned and then released today were judged and treated by anything that NZ would regard as The Rule of Law, this is straight up Rule of The Gun and Law of The Jungle. However, on the Israeli side is a larger media and cheerleading section who are here to explain why the rules don’t apply to them.
        Have some rules and then stick to them.
        
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        November 25, 2023 5:12pm
    - Che Guava
      
      So supposition is a sufficient substitute for evidence now? It’s apparent that Israeli claims like “Hamas use civilians as human shields” and “all Palestinians are terrorists, even the women and children” are seen as sufficient justification for killing civilians, women and children. What’s that famous dictum about believing absurdities to allow the commission of atrocities?
      
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      November 25, 2023 10:49am
- kowtow
  
  The real pressure will be from the White House .
  
  Odd how power works .
  
  The White House can and does destroy whole regions and countries , creating vast swathes of failed states with all the misery and devastation that entails and yet when Israel is so heinously attacked the White House ties their hands.
  
  To the approval of a complicit ,terror aligned ,international media.
  
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  November 25, 2023 8:56am
  - Che Guava
    
    “The White House can and does destroy whole regions and countries , creating vast swathes of failed states with all the misery and devastation that entails and yet when Israel is so heinously attacked the White House ties their hands.”
    
    There’s great irony in this statement. Over the last 20 years, certainly in the Middle East, they have done this for Israel’s exclusive benefit and for no real benefit at all to America itself. Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan – all irrelevant to US national interest, until you consider that Zionists largely determine US foreign policy due to the influence of the Israel lobby. The difference now is that, largely because of the blood and immense treasure expended for Israel since the turn of the century, the US has lost it’s ability to project power anywhere and at any time. This is a problem for Israel.
    
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    November 25, 2023 11:07am
    - kowtow
      
      ‘until you consider that Zionists largely determine US foreign policy due to the influence of the Israel lobby. ‘
      
      Oh dear.
      
      Next will be the Protocols of the Elders of Zion .
      
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      November 25, 2023 1:43pm
      - Che Guava
        
        Why else have they been waging war in the Middle East for the last 20 years? In terms of America’s interests, it makes no sense; in terms of Israel’s interests, it is perfectly rational.
        
        If you appreciate the nature of US politics, the answer is obvious. You either don’t understand this nature, or you do and want to pretend that it doesn’t exist.
        
        For instance, read “The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy” by Professor John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt.
        
        https://www.amazon.com.au/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+israel+lobby&sr=8-1
        
        “Originally published in 2007, The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy, by John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago and Stephen M. Walt of Harvard’s John F. Kennedy School of Government, provoked both howls of outrage and cheers of gratitude for challenging what had been a taboo issue in America: the impact of the Israel lobby on U.S. foreign policy. A work of major importance, it remains as relevant today as it was in the immediate aftermath of the Israel-Lebanon war of 2006.
        
        Mearsheimer and Walt describe in clear and bold terms the remarkable level of material and diplomatic support that the United States provides to Israel and argues that this support cannot be fully explained on either strategic or moral grounds. This exceptional relationship is due largely to the political influence of a loose coalition of individuals and organizations that actively work to shape U.S. foreign policy in a pro-Israel direction. They provocatively contend that the lobby has a far-reaching impact on America’s posture throughout the Middle East―in Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, and toward the Israeli-Palestinian conflict―and the policies it has encouraged are in neither America’s national interest nor Israel’s long-term interest. The lobby’s influence also affects America’s relationship with important allies and increases dangers that all states face from global jihadist terror.”
        
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        November 25, 2023 3:01pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        That’s a dodge and deflection.
        
        “Next you’ll be saying that The Rothschilds and The Project for a New American Century are just a myth.”
        
        notice how stupid and dishonest that sounds?
        
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        November 25, 2023 5:17pm
      - Che Guava
        
        Jack
        Indeed. Take a look at an Israeli 500 Old Shekel bank note, prominently featuring the personage of one Baron Edmond Benjamin James de Rothschild. Wait until the Central Bank of Israel realises the Rothschild banking dynasty is an just an anti-semitic trope. Aside from the Rothschilds, there’s the other great Jewish banking dynasties, such as the Sassoon, Sebag-Montefiori, Warburg, Lehman, and Goldman families.
        
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        November 25, 2023 6:36pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Umm, what sort of person takes children under 10 as hostages?
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:25am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Perhaps a slightly older age group…. but it seems to be a standard (and continuing) practice for Boko Haram Jihadists.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chibok_schoolgirls_kidnapping
    
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    November 25, 2023 9:42am
    - Master Mariner
      
      And a good 40% still not accounted for,
      
      Mean while the World has moved on after huge International outcry originally //
      
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      November 25, 2023 10:06am
  - G152
    
    Arabian terrorists is who
    
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    November 25, 2023 9:52am
  - kowtow
    
    What sort of organisation uses rape , mass murder and even taking dead bodies hostage as a political/military tactic ,strategy .
    
    How can hundreds of thousands of ‘westeners” march in solidarity with that.
    
    Why are so many NGO’s silent . Cos they rely on Gulf money . That’s another story the msm won’t cover.
    
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    November 25, 2023 10:30am
    - Che Guava
      
      “…even taking dead bodies hostage…”
      
      WTF? I’d be more inclined to accept Israeli propaganda if it wasn’t so often completely off the wall bonkers and incredible.
      
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      November 25, 2023 11:10am
      - kowtow
        
        Shani Louk .
        
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        November 25, 2023 1:44pm
      - Che Guava
        
        She was kidnapped, but there’s no way of telling is she was dead at the time, which the statement “taking dead bodies hostage” requires. Her mother is correct when she says:
        
        “After the video, you saw that, it’s impossible to see if she’s alive or dead. It was very scary, and we were very worried,” Louk’s mother told CNN in the days after the rampage.”
        
        https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/30/middleeast/shani-louk-dead-israel-intl/index.html
        
        The only known fact is that she is dead now; claiming she was kidnapped as a dead body is unverifiable, but many unverifiable propositions and half-truths become “fact” in the propaganda war.
        
        Take the “40 decapitated babies” claim: still completely unevidenced by any neutral party, but far too easily accepted as fact just because the claim is made. Then people move on and forget that it has been dropped by all but the most determined-to-believe. But by then the seed has already been sown, so it doesn’t really matter much if it is true or not.
        
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        November 25, 2023 2:51pm
      - kowtow
        
        They found a bit of her skull at the festival site .( temporal bone)
        Pathologist said no one could survive that injury .
        
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        November 25, 2023 4:11pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Intellectually it makes all sorts of sense. They are clearly the highest leverage hostages you can get. But the anger it creates and evil branding that comes with it is also next-level.
    
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    November 25, 2023 10:37am
- Cassandra
  
  Why would Israel lock up women and children? Criminals yes but innocents? Doesn’t make sense. Ergo there might be more to this than “women and children”. No doubt the media will enlighten us //.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:46am
artemisia

‘Who watches the watchers’? Back in the not distant past the MSM held a/the key watcher and reporting role.

That has all changed and it is those watchers now scrutinised for a whole different audience.

As public sector comms budgets are cut, and advertisers find alternatives, how long can the MSM last, even with some paid subscribers.

However, each early morning newspapers are delivered to my neighbours, at least 4 so maybe I am too pessimistic (or optimistic).
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November 25, 2023 8:39am
Scott

Good morning Kiwi bloggers. It’s a great day to be alive. We have so much to look forward to –
– a reserve Bank that concentrates on price stability
– schools that teach the basics and don’t teach gender ideology
– everyone being treated equally with equal rights and responsibilities
– the end of race-based policies
– landlords can rent out properties again
– the end of the resource Management act
– the return of law and order

I could be here all day. Now I know we can quibble about the details and will the coalition last? But at least they are saying sensible things! The previous government promised rubbish and delivered rubbish. There was no hope with the previous lot. At least we now have hope. So as for me I’m taking the win. 🙂
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November 25, 2023 8:43am
- Cassandra
  
  And the new Governor is?
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:47am
  - PeeJay
    
    I suspect Orr, and no doubt Coster, will have some interesting meetings with the new government ministers over the next few days.
    
    I’d be very surprised if Orr remains in his post. Some deal will no doubt be arranged as he will be incapable of retaining the governments confidence in his ability to perform his role. (Coster will be in a similar situation).
    
    As an aside, it would be good if this type of hand grenade whereby a clearly outgoing Finance Minister can so brazenly try and handicap a new government by providing the current governor with a substantial new contract in an election year. I doubt we will get there but I would think that all such contracts for politically appointed roles should expire shortly after an election to allow a change of government to select candidates that are aligned to its vision.
    
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    November 25, 2023 11:21am
Benedict Yu

There are some good things in the detail of the coalition agreement.

One of them is to repeal Section 7AA of the Oranga Tamariki Act.

https://www.orangatamariki.govt.nz/about-us/performance-and-monitoring/section-7aa/what-we-do-section-7aa/

This section requires the agency to reduce disparities between Maori and non Maori children and to form partnerships with Iwi to that end. This is the section of the legislation that drove the agency to attempt to remove a Maori child who was happily in the care of white foster parents for a number of years. It was a shameful episode.

It will take a while for all these vested interests to realise what is in the coalition agreement. I look forward to the multiple meltdowns. 🤡
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November 25, 2023 8:45am
- KH
  
  What a great thing Benedict. The new government will roll back the officialised racism of recent years.
  A lot of work to do because it’s been snuck in everywhere.
  There will be bite back – eg violent Willie – who is just one of many.
  But the threats are exactly the reason we need to confront them. No backing away.
  
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  November 25, 2023 8:59am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The last six years have seen Labour and TPM pumping racism into the younger ones. It will take a while to get them to see they have been used by the real racists.
    The Coup is still happening and the natives are getting restless.
    
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    November 25, 2023 9:33am
Stellaboxer

Here in the rainy Wairarapa the air show is supposed to be taking place. I’m not sure it actually is or not as we have wet weather with very low cloud but it brought to mind the last time I attended. On that occasion the weather was fabulous and I had taken my camper up to Hood aerodrome and was parked up with many others in a paddock adjacent to the airfield and what a time everyone was having. Well that was until on the Saturday an emergency signal was received on our mobile phones informing us that Ardern had decided that due to the fact that two or three cases of Covid had been detected in Auckland she had decided to shut down the entire country and put everyone under house arrest. So this air show that had thousands of people in attendance and had been going on for nearly two of its three day schedule had to immediately be shut down and everyone disperse to their respective homes. Now the thing that really struck me apart from the absurdity of it was how my fellow campers and attendees meekly accepted it and started packing up with the air of children whose games had been interrupted by their mothers calling them home for tea. I thought of Jordan Peterson’s observation that most people when they put themselves in the position of a citizen in a totalitarian society see themselves as one of those who would be a dissident or even a member of the resistance when in reality statistics show they would be compliant collaborators whose principle goal would be not to be noticed . This is why I despise Ardern and co because her and her swaggering cohorts humiliated a people who up until that period of time could pride themselves and did pride themselves on their national character of resilience, self reliance, sense of fair play and justice. She manipulated their fatal flaw that of trust in their leaders and institutions especially in a time of national danger, no politicians would ever abuse their position in a time of national crisis surely. So we all just packed up and went home. I wish nothing good on her or the members of her regime. You know who you are and so do we.
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November 25, 2023 8:45am
- Benedict Yu
  
  She is now giving speeches in the USA explaining how ‘she brought the people with her’ to save thousands from COVID. I can’t see her setting foot back in New Zealand for a long time.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:34am
  - Paulus
    
    Understand she is persona non grata in the shops in Tairua where she disappears to bach and boat !
    
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    November 25, 2023 3:45pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Imagine being so far up yourself that the Tairua street gets closed, and residents entry only! Not just guards at the house, guards at the street entry!
      Head case.
      
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      November 26, 2023 3:16pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If we had known more at the time we could have just ignored the silly woman.
  There is no way she could arrest all of us and jail us.
  Remember Coster? “We will put you in jail” or something. Fuck off Coster.
  
  But yes, we all followed the other sheep and complied. Ardern knew we would, and it gave her total control. New Zealand’s nastiest person ever. She will never show her face in NZ again without us knowing.
  What beats me is not just the Covid, but what she did to our lovely New Zealand and then walked away with no penalty, appology, or afterthoughts.
  Just gone.
  Away with her, and take your resting bitch face with you!
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:43am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Steve Otto – well you know now. You can NEVER comply your way out of tyranny, and NZ suffered under tyranny under Ardern.
    
    Recognise it next time they try. It only takes a relatively small number of people to refuse to comply for this madness to be stopped. Just say NO.
    
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    November 25, 2023 9:53am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Clan,
      
      That is exactly what happened at Parliament.
      The brave protestors initiated the destruction of the regime and for their trouble they got a hiding from the Government Regime Enforcement Agency headed by Coster and carried out by his cowardly paid volunteers.
      
      They also were treated like pariahs by the media and many fellow citizens .
      
      We should remember what they did.
      We should remember what everyone did.
      
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      November 25, 2023 10:17am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        I will never forget. It helped me drop a lot of wasted energy out of my life. People who I thought I knew turned out to really disappoint me.
        
        On the other hand, many wonderful people were revealed to me, it has been a joy to find them all.
        
        You know who you are.
        
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        November 25, 2023 10:29am
      - nathie
        
        Iconic picture from 2022.
        
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e11d788fa503bd4723e608d1b59eab927a71de237205c5ea462e87f5bbadfc39.jpg
        
        Storms, Dictator Mallard’s sprinklers, Ardern in hiding and Michael Woods’ insults couldn’t silence largely decent people having their say.
        
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        November 25, 2023 11:03am
      - miltonF
        
        It’s kind of unreal to think that the govt bashed and arrested a bunch of peaceful protesters. Protesting for the right to work and bodily autonomy. It’s unbelievable really, but it happened. They even blasted them with sonic weapons. Again, unbelievable.
        
        The MSM reporting on the event? Despicable. Misinformation galore.
        
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        November 25, 2023 3:15pm
    - Keith White
      
      Well, I have info from back home that a lot of people in and around Auckland are complying with the Coster Rules for of Free-Ride Gang Traffic – allowing tangi-riders free passage along with the helicopter and police car escort so they don’t have to slow down and face the horrible humiliation of having their Porsche-engined gold-plated Harley-Davidson overheat while waiting in the queue with the rest of us rabble.
      
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      November 25, 2023 2:09pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Socialism. You can vote socialism in, but when it takes hold you have to fight your way out! Why is the first move always ban and confiscate guns? NZ needs First and Second amendments. We the People, not we the govt.
      
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      November 25, 2023 2:15pm
  - DimChappie
    
    Coster is useless but the Police Commissioner who threatened to lock us up was Mike Bush.
    
    “Bush said police would only prosecute serious offenders, but those arrested will be “having a little trip to our place” — meaning they will be detained. ”
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120577868/coronavirus-police-can-now-enter-homes-to-look-for-people-gathering
    
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    November 25, 2023 1:04pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      My mistake. Coster continued with the bullying.
      I was sure I read Coster said that. Maybe it was Fake News by a useless reporter? Face it, there is no shortage of useless reporters.
      Still my fault for not checking.
      
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      November 25, 2023 2:20pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The extraordinary thing is that so many of those who complied so easily still believe that we were saved…(from something).
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:50am
  - mawm
    
    Maggy – the lies were so obvious and yet everybody (almost) believed them. Just like the myriad of lies from the international press about so many things. Hopefully the awakening will teach people to be far more critical of what they are being “sold”.
    
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    November 25, 2023 11:15am
- rouppe
  
  There was a surf event planned at Mt Maunganui at similar time.
  
  It was cancelled because of the rules around events in place then.
  
  Most teams went up anyway and held “training” with other clubs, in specific events, in age groups.
  
  It warmed my heart
  
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  November 25, 2023 11:59am
Tomtoddy

Tova got a lashing from Winston at the announcement yesterday so she has pulled out all stops this morning to write as vitriolically as her pen knows. It has ended up childish, self important gibberish. Grow up girl.
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November 25, 2023 8:46am
- pdm
  
  TT – all opportunities to comment have vanished on anything remotely political at Stuff.
  
  Even they have worked out their anti the New Government stance puts them on a hiding to nothing.
  
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  November 25, 2023 8:51am
- imalwaysright
  
  A tantrum perhaps ?
  She seems the type.
  
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  November 25, 2023 8:58am
- nathie
  
  So that must be the Stuff politics article with (yet again) the immature headline/byline?
  
  If so it’s always the give-away!
  
  Not gonna read it – no clicks from me!
  
  Talk about being STUFFed by their own!
  
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  November 25, 2023 8:59am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes it is childish gibberish.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/301015062/tova-obrien-the-weird-and-wonderful-first-moments-of-our-new-government
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:04am
- ecco
  
  I realised that that would be an article by Tova, even though they didn’t put her name to it, and didn’t get sucked into clicking on it.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:08am
- Yvette
  
  “Can I just say this is no longer Jessica Jessica, Tova Tova alright? We’re gonna have a balanced media from here on in so I want everybody to get a fair question, it’s just not two of you.”
  
  Tova is still being Tova
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:16am
- coge
  
  Tova needs to be told it’s not all about her. It’s not the Tova show.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:18am
  - Cassandra
    
    Tova needs to be ignored.
    
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    November 25, 2023 9:56am
    - thirteenstars
      
      All over, Red Tova.
      
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      November 25, 2023 10:14am
    - Keith White
      
      Could someone take one for the team and hook up with Tova and spirit her away to Harvard or Boston all-expenses-paid? There’s gotta be a rich ignorant masochist somewhere in her environment.
      
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      November 25, 2023 2:11pm
    - sungsamning
      
      Chantelle Baker, and someone from Reality Check Radio need to be in the Press Gallery.
      
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      November 25, 2023 2:20pm
- Rumblestrip
  
  Tova has decreed that Luxon, Peters and Seymour are known as “Lupesey.”
  
  🤮🤮🤮
  
  Why no stupid names for previous coalition leaders, Tova? How long did it take you to come up with this inane nonsense?
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:20am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Name calling is typical lefty bullying. Usually wheeled out when they have had their arses kicked .
    
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    November 25, 2023 9:39am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Childish name calling.
    
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    November 25, 2023 9:46am
  - kevn
    
    Rumble… That’s what sitting around with a cask of NW wine and some like minded pals does for you.
    Churn out some crap.
    
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    November 25, 2023 10:22am
  - thirteenstars
    
    She outed herself as the angry child lashing out when she revealed her personal attachment to the story, quoting Peters:
    
    Can I just say this is no longer Jessica Jessica, Tova Tova alright? We’re gonna have a balanced media from here on in so I want everybody to get a fair question, it’s just not two of you.
    
    Bad man bully me. Me not like it. Me jump up and down. Me throw food at cat.
    
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    November 25, 2023 10:31am
  - Keith White
    
    Well considering Tovie is the female incarnation of Max Phipps character “Toavie” in the original road warrior, she is already really well-named herself. She certainly has the obsequiousness of the role down pat.
    
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    November 25, 2023 2:13pm
- Terry Dalee
  
  I genuinely can’t wait to see Toxic Tova out of another job.
  Not because of misogyny but because she genuinely fails as a person at her job as a journalist and self appointed analyst.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:21am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Clearly a round one “win” for Winston, but she’ll be consumed by this for quite a while. There’s also a piece out by Campbell this morning with his childish name calling and denigration attempts. Suspect that their real problem is that the extent and detail of the coalition agenda dumped on them yesterday is too much for their intellect to handle so they simply reverted to childish personalisation.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:40am
- Bobba Fret
  
  I wonder how Jessica will respond? IMO Tova has always been the worst of the ‘special’ two.
  
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  November 25, 2023 10:18am
  - nathie
    
    Jessica is largely professional (sure she has her biases, everyone does), something Tova could learn from? Yeah right!
    
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    November 25, 2023 11:11am
Benedict Yu

Greenpeace says that resuming gas exploration in Aoteraroa will “threaten the very future of life on earth”. 🤡😂

https://www.orangatamariki.govt.nz/about-us/performance-and-monitoring/section-7aa/what-we-do-section-7aa/
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November 25, 2023 8:48am
- Mike
  
  Wrong link
  
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  November 25, 2023 8:56am
- ClanMcleod
  
  BY – is that link the one you intended?
  
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  November 25, 2023 8:59am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Oh no 😳😳
    
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    November 25, 2023 9:05am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      So many upticks for gas exploration in oranga tamariki section 7AA.
      Must be the Greens, they are not that bright you know.
      
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      November 25, 2023 9:24am
- kowtow
  
  TV1 “news” last night implied it was Winston First Party that got the O and G ban rescinded.
  
  But he was the vandal who put Ardern’s regime in power and IIRC said nary a word about that Oand G ban Captain’s Call 6 years ago.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:00am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I doubt that it will achieve much. The capital costs of gas exploration are high with long time horizons. These companies need certainty that they won’t be upended again when Labour gets back in.
    
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    November 25, 2023 9:46am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      And they will get back in. They are being taught leftist nonsense at preschool now.
      
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      November 25, 2023 9:50am
    - PeeJay
      
      Agreed, nothing will happen, certainly not this term. I also expect that Ardern’s brain fart captains call has effectively killed NZ as an exploration market. Due to the timeframes for return on investment, the O&G forms wold need a broad political consensus to emerge from both main governing parties that their long term investment is secure. Labour will no doubt reflect on why they lost, hear about the need to tack to the centre…….then veer further leftwards to head off the rise of the Greens. Therefore, no stable consensus will emerge, investment will be considered extremely risky, more so considering the increased political risk, therefore it will probably not happen.
      
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      November 25, 2023 11:38am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Apologies. This is the correct link.
  
  https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2311/S00144/greenpeace-slams-poor-coalition-appointments-for-oceans-and-agriculture-portfolios.htm
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:06am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Does the average Green nutbar in NZ really think that what happens in NZ will threaten future like? Texas, New Mexico, Nth Dakota, Alaska don’t give a shit about NZ. We are not even a little dot on their radar.
    
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    November 25, 2023 9:55am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      There are people in Christchurch who have stated that the emissions in Christchurch affect the Christchurch climate.
      
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      November 25, 2023 10:34am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Probably did. Next day the wind came. Emissions escaped into thin air.
        
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        November 25, 2023 10:57am
  - kowtow
    
    Since when do “charities” get to be so overtly political .
    
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    November 25, 2023 10:22am
    - nathie
      
      Yeah, “charity status”, something else to be looked into.
      
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      November 25, 2023 11:17am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Pretty balanced response from Green peace then. If only New Zealand was fractionally as important as those on the left believe us to be.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:42am
- NothingLeft
  
  Only way gas exploration will happen is if govt pays for it. No company is going to gamble given likelihood of future cancellation with govt changes.
  
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  November 25, 2023 10:42am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Taxpayer, not the Govt. Then it becomes our gas and our oil. We can do as we please with it. Get that Marsden Refinery rebuilt. Replace the concrete filled pipes, they are just pipes. Build another Refinery near say Wellington.
    So many people want to stop NZ improving itself.
    Next time the stop oil idiots glue themselves to the road just leave the bastards there. Put some road cones around them – there is no shortage.
    The oil is there for the taking. The gas is there for the taking. Do it!
    Fuck the Greens.
    
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    November 25, 2023 11:06am
    - nathie
      
      Declare ~~Nuclear~~ Green-Free zones around the country!
      
      North Shore to lead the way, Steve?!!
      
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      November 25, 2023 11:21am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        We have our fair share of the Green nutbars on the Shore.
        All self un-employed, volunteer homemakers of course.
        ‘Oh, do come around for a vegan BBQ darlings!’ And that is week days.
        Fuck.
        
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        November 25, 2023 5:24pm
  - sungsamning
    
    Agreed. Wait for an oil bust somewhere, and acquire the business and assets required at a discount. Run it as a state owned enterprise.
    
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    November 25, 2023 2:24pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Jed Clampet did it with a shotgun!
      Ended up with a big house and a ‘cement pond.’
      
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      November 25, 2023 5:25pm
- Paulus
  
  Well I do not live in Aotearoa but New Zealand.
  
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  November 25, 2023 3:47pm
Pavel

I seen “the boy from the Hutt” on the news last night claiming that this new government is going to divide nzers with their new policies. I’m guessing he doesn’t see the total irony in his statement considering all the division his and Jacinas governments did. It’s like some kind of competition amongst Labor MPs of who call tell the biggest porkies with a straight face. I don’t for a second believe that he believes what he is saying is true. Its retarded statements like this that sent most Labor politicians to the dole queue.
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November 25, 2023 8:52am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Hope the “boy from the Hutt” gets to spend a bit of time reflecting on how he has utterly failed at everything he set out to achieve.
  
  Might make him a better person.
  
  Or he might just try and hop on the next gravy train out of town like his former boss did. She’ll still be doing victory laps till she is 90.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:43am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Boy from the Hutt is far too dumb for UN.
    He will end up doing nothing in Wellington Council.
    
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    November 25, 2023 10:00am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Chris clearly thinks that Labour did not cause division. Presumably because he never heard anyone from outside the Labour circus.
  
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  November 25, 2023 6:23pm
Benedict Yu

How can you get two years in prison for a martial arts kick to someone and killing him?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/133333761/i-hope-my-brothers-face-haunts-him-anger-at-onekick-killers-punishment

I remember this incident. The poor guy was walking through central Christchurch going about his business. He was just chosen randomly by his assailant, who kicked him in the head. He then celebrated by fist bumping his mate.

He has now applied for home detention.
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November 25, 2023 8:55am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  because they hope that bleeding heart judges will believe a sob story about how the scumbag is a good young chap, with a difficult childhood who is trying to turn his life around…
  
  The dead punter doesn’t get that chance of course, but what they hey, no point in ruining two lives!
  
  Home D and a restorative justice conference, and Bob’s your uncle. All forgiven.
  
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  November 25, 2023 8:59am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He is a good boy my left tit.
    
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    November 25, 2023 10:01am
  - I remember when
    
    ‘who is trying to turn his life around’
    and around, and around, and around (in his car)
    
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    November 25, 2023 11:19am
  - Keith White
    
    Where’s Paul Kersey when we need him?
    
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    November 25, 2023 2:14pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  That the justice system now thinks that a deliberate act resulting in the death of an innocent person is punishable by a non custodial sentence should tell you just how far the Justice System has fallen.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:09am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    No deterrent, none whatsoever.
    
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    November 25, 2023 10:03am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Looks like the new coalition Government has resolved to bring in the coward punch legislation.
    
    Introduce the Coward Punch legislation which will create a specific offence for anyone who injures or kills someone with a coward punch.
    
    Let’s hope a coward punch includes a kick/swipe.
    
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    November 25, 2023 10:19am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Perhaps several different laws will be needed:
      Coward punch
      Coward kick
      Coward slap
      Coward elbow
      Coward knee
      Coward push under a moving vehicle
      etc
      
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      November 25, 2023 10:42am
    - NothingLeft
      
      I generally disagree with distinct classes of assault ‘hate’ ‘racist’ ‘cowards’ ‘man on woman’. It’s all the same thing and gradations regarding provocation or other extenuating circumstances or aggravating factors can be dealt with in sentencing.
      
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      November 25, 2023 10:46am
    - rockape
      
      I was glad to see assault on first responders and health staff will carry jail time now.
      
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      November 25, 2023 11:30am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Judiciary now seems to be intent on driving neo-Marxist agendas.
  
  Sexual assault, murder/manslaughter, violent assault with weapons of 19 gang members against 1 disabled person for wearing a red jersey – all had assailants receiving home D.
  
  Lead a BLM protest during lockdown – we see nothing.
  
  Billy TK and B Tamaki – lead protests against lockdowns. We need to lock those guys up.
  
  The judiciary requires some early retirements and replacements to sanitise the disease.
  
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  November 25, 2023 10:07am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Review and retire most damaging/activist 10% of judiciary every year. Would quickly improve the flock.
    
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    November 25, 2023 11:21am
  - rockape
    
    Judith may be just the person to do that.
    
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    November 25, 2023 11:31am
  - sungsamning
    
    Yes, term limits for judges would be a good idea. Say three parliamentry terms.
    
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    November 25, 2023 2:27pm
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  What is there were plenty of hours’ worth of video taken at other times, showing him not kicking anybody?
  
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  November 25, 2023 11:36am
hullkiwi

The coalition agreement is evidence that Luxon is good for his word, and that his commitment to Mike King made during the election campaign has been honoured.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/happy-tears-today-mental-health-charity-big-winner-from-new-coalition-agreement/4W45FEO6LZARXI6WR7LBUFEB3Y/

Good news for families who have seen their children struggle over the past 4 years through circumstances they didn’t understand or could control, but damaged their lives.

Unlike the Ardern/Hipkins government who mouthed platitudes about mental health, even made provisions in budgets but never delivered over 6 years, the new govt has made a specific & public commitment to the King organisation. Well done Luxon.

The above is in direct contrast to the verbal diahaerea of Hipkins and the Labour faithful of the Standard, who are so lacking in self awareness, that they persist in claiming the new govt will be devisive and undo all the good work of the last government.

Contrast the new government’s commitment to Mike King against the treatment King received at the hands of Little and Hipkins speaks volumes.

Long may the good start of the new govt continue.
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November 25, 2023 8:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Good to see. Get rid of the riff raff in Mental Health and get some qualified Doctors and Psychologists in there.
  My son has been continuously let down by them and I can’t do anything about it. Emails don’t even get answered!
  
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  November 25, 2023 10:07am
- Ghost
  
  Good that he got it, but sad he needed it. Hopefully this government can get mental health to where Mike King is no longer needed to do their work
  
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  November 25, 2023 10:12am
the deity formerly known as nigel6888

If the correct people are having meltdowns, then the new government is already doing it right!

Looking forward to watching government departments decide they have English names, and that staff don’t need pronouns anymore.

Be even better when the “public interest journalism” funding is completely withdrawn and the luvvies discover that in order to make money scribbling, they need to find some paying customers who want to consume their dreck.
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November 25, 2023 8:57am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Just as well there’s more money for Mike King. Still, I feel sorry for the bloke having to cope with wailing Wokesters – just horrible.
  
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  November 25, 2023 6:28pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I was unaware that Hamas had taken Thai and Filipinos as hostages until today.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67523397
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November 25, 2023 8:58am
- kowtow
  
  Yes , it has been heavily covered in the Israeli media .
  ( i’ve mentioned it a few times here)
  The farms in south Israel are suffering hugely as they have no one now to work in the glass houses etc
  
  Thais made up a big proportion of their overseas migrants who do labouring on the farms.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:03am
- redqueen
  
  And killed a rather lot during their murderous rampage. 33 killed and 23 hostages (just among the Thai). Quite a few Nepali were also murdered or taken hostage.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:49am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Send for the Ghurkas
    
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    November 25, 2023 6:25pm
- NothingLeft
  
  One of the more barbarous videos of oct 7 was decapitation of a live Thai worker with a shovel, not even an Israeli – just a bystander in the political conflict. Evil fuckers.
  
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  November 25, 2023 10:49am
redqueen

Will the new Ministry of Regulation have a suggestions box? I’ve got a few years of them accumulated…
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November 25, 2023 8:58am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  It was amusing to note that ACT’s new creation, the Ministry of Regulation, will be funded from abolishing its last creation, the Productivity Commission.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:09am
  - redeye
    
    Amusing? It’s going to get funnier and funnier as bullshit regulation after bullshit regulation end up in the round file.
    
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    November 25, 2023 9:21am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      For every new regulation get rid of two.
      
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      November 25, 2023 10:11am
      - Dudley Quaffquaff
        
        What would be the point of that?
        
        If there’s a regulation that needs to be got rid of, get rid of it. There’s nothing to be gained by hanging on to it until you have a new one to introduce in its place. If there’s a new regulation that’s needed to address a problem, introduce it. There’s nothing to be gained by continuing to put up with the problem until somebody has managed to find two old regulations that can be dispensed with it.
        
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        November 25, 2023 11:41am
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        That’s not a feasible policy, it’s just virtue signalling.
        
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        November 25, 2023 7:11pm
  - redqueen
    
    Yes, a solid demonstration of seeing that something has achieved what it can and now it’s time to move on. Definitely a revolution and dangerous idea in government…
    
    I salute them!
    
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    November 25, 2023 9:23am
  - mandk
    
    ACT has done exactly the right thing. Abolishing it makes perfect sense. Like many a regulation, it was worthwhile at the start, but got corrupted and lost its value over time.
    
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    November 25, 2023 9:33am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Well look at who the Commissioners are.
      
      It was always set up to fail, shouldn’t have used the Victoria PC approach, and the Minister of Finance had too much say about what investigations it could launch. Treasury didn’t want a rival, so neutered it from birth, then under Labour, it simply went bad. Overdue for euthanasia.
      
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      November 25, 2023 9:48am
- ecco
  
  That would be a sensible idea. Get feedback from real users. Can start with the confusion that is online signing up process for the Warkworth toll roads.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:10am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I’m a bit worried about the name of this .inistry. Some of the more left-leaning among us might get the idea that this ministry is there to assist in creating _new_ regulation.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:30am
  - redqueen
    
    It does have a kind of Department of Administrative Affairs ring to it…I’m quite tempted to start calling Seymour Hacker…but, all joked aside, yes, it will start out a good idea and be corrupted by some future leftwing government.
    
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    November 25, 2023 9:40am
  - redqueen
    
    Give it 10 or 12 more years and I’m sure a future Act Party will be negotiating abolishing it and using the savings to get a Productivity Commission… 😉
    
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    November 25, 2023 9:50am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Nah, it’d be a new name:
      Deregulation Department
      Cancel Council
      Abrogation Authority
      Obliteration Office
      
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      November 25, 2023 10:48am
      - Jake Dee
        
        I think that the committee that wrapped up and abolished the old upper house got the nick name “the Suicide Squad’. Their last action was to end themselves, pretty cool.
        I dream of one day seeing an official government report that reaches the conclusion that this report was totally un-necessary and should never have been written.
        
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        November 25, 2023 5:33pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        The Commission for the Future abolished themselves, IIRC
        
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        November 25, 2023 6:27pm
- artemisia
  
  Bringing back 90 day no cause rental property terminations will in one fell swoop remove a lot of complex and confusing regulations. Law changes needed but not so hard just to delete.
  
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  November 25, 2023 11:57am
  - Ghost
    
    I’m looking forward to that one, hoping it is done quickly. I know the landlord that owns the house beside us will quickly terminate the rental with the hoarder that lives there. Then can salvage what is left of what used to be a nice house
    
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    November 25, 2023 12:10pm
Albie

The meltdowns as Benedict states are going to come in thick and fast, and from many quarter’s.
I am much looking forward to the leftist pollies, so called intellectuals and Te media ripping their nighties on a daily basis on sooo many coalition policies announced yesterday.
And the really fun thing is that they will have to go on the offensive against THREE parties!
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November 25, 2023 8:59am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Very strange meltdown on Waatea News….
  
  As debacles sword hangs over Taka Whai Ora with scrapping it being a key policy of National the lead partner in the new Government coalition the head of the Maori Health Ministry which came into existence a little over a year ago Riana Manuel says there is a strong program and plan of work any Government would want to take forward.
  
  https://waateanews.com/2023/11/24/te-aka-whai-ora-work-will-remain/
  
  Someone has no idea about the meaning of a hanging Damocles sword, or how to write a coherent sentence.
  
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  November 25, 2023 10:30am
  - Inandout
    
    Maggy, what an apt name..waaaaaaaa.
    
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    November 25, 2023 10:45am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Maggy, I read that first sentence of your post, and for a moment thought you may have been fooling us about your academic knowledge all these years. Glad to see it is only the head of the Maori Health Authority we have to worry about!////
    
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    November 25, 2023 11:57am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I have no Classics education (excluding 2 years of very elementary Latin), and just know of the phrase Sword of Damocles through hearing/reading it somewhere.
      
      It was really the extraordinary syntax of the writing that struck me.
      
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      November 25, 2023 1:23pm
      - Dave
        
        The syntax is fine, but the punctuation is not. One full stop and five commas will turn it into two well-constructed sentences.
        
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        November 25, 2023 8:11pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    Wooah ! The sword of debacles! That’s a good one! Sometimes you can’t tell if you’re dealing with a Monty Python tier comedic genius or a journalist who was dropped on his head a fed a lot of lead paint as a kid.
    I think we shall go with the later in this case.
    
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    November 25, 2023 5:39pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  They’ll be so busy playing catch up on pulling the agenda to pieces that they’ll miss the reality that a big hunk of it will have already been booted into history “under urgency” by Christmas.
  It’s actually quite amusing that what turned up caught them flat footed and has pretty well completely killed their coalition of chaos theory/rhetoric, hence their very weak responses.
  
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  November 25, 2023 11:02am
  - PeeJay
    
    I’m generally not in favour of laws being passed under urgency unless absolutely essential – rushed law is usually bad law.
    
    However, there is a part of me, the childish part granted, that recalls all the ‘under urgency’ crap that the Labour government has done over the last six years, purely in order to avoid scrutiny, and thinks well you reap what you sow and a bit of “right back at you” probably wouldn’t be a bad idea!
    
    Being serious though, the urgency approach is probably merited to remove some appalling Acts soon to come into effect but the new government needs to be careful not to overplay its hand. Urgency should only be used in rare occasions and they should avoid at all costs the approach the left took using urgency just to avoid detailed debate and scrutiny.
    
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    November 25, 2023 11:59am
- PeeJay
  
  Not just the media having meltdowns!
  
  I have a number of friends and colleagues who work in local and central government. Most, bless them, are devout lefties but a few are centre-right types.
  
  It’s been amusing speaking with them over the last two days and hearing their views. For the lefties, utterly devastated and effectively numb – just don’t understand why anyone would want to unwind all the great work they’ve done! One of the centre-right types was so happy – noted that some pronouns and Maori greetings and signatures from upper management had already been replaced by the end of Friday!
  
  Apparently a lot of folks were looking forward to new highly paid roles in 3 waters are devastated. They might actually have to stay in their current jobs and actually do what they are paid to do – the horror!!!!
  
  I’d call that a solid start!
  
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  November 25, 2023 11:53am
Maggie Pie

O.M.G. We are just sooo loving this coalition government.

If you wondered what the ‘Second Coming’ would feel like, this is it 😛
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November 25, 2023 8:59am
ClanMcleod

Winston didn’t go with Labour.

Winston did get a covid inquiry.

The negotiations were robust and done in a timely manner.

The world didn’t end as predicted by so many!

Looking forward to the next couple of years, unlike the misery of the last 6!!
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November 25, 2023 9:04am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  Never been more happy to have been proved wrong. Well done Winston, let’s hope the next 3 years continue as well as they have started.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:46am
  - MCōs
    
    They don’t start until Monday
    Furthermore
    I wouldn’t get too excited about this new government.
    Left, right or centre. They all start off like there’re going to make the country a marvelous place and it never works out that way.
    Doesn’t matter who’s in charge the InterIslander is still going to break down.
    
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    November 25, 2023 10:43am
oldpark

Dr. Jeffrey Sachs Says COVID About ‘Massive Government Lying,’ Quits Democrats

A prominent “lifelong Democrat” scholar and economist who chaired a COVID-19 commission blasted Dr. Anthony Fauci and others for promoting “massive government lying” regarding the coronavirus, and accused Senate Democrats of refusing to investigate the virus’ origins.

Dr. Jeffrey Sachs, a Columbia University professor who chaired a COVID-19 commission set up by “The Lancet” medical journal, said he has since left the Democratic Party after seeing how government officials have behaved around the origins of the virus.

“The sad part of this, not with respect to the vaccine per se, but with respect to the origin of the virus, is that it’s yet another case of massive government lying,” Sachs said during an appearance on The Hill’s “Rising” show.

“We have since discovered from the start that what the government told us about ‘natural origins’ of this virus were hokey, and really amounting to scientific fraud.”

Sachs said that even the scientists who wrote “The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2” in the spring of 2020 “didn’t even believe that as they were writing it because they knew that there were so many hints that this could well have come out of a U.S. lab, or out of Chinese lab, or out of a U.S.-China partnership in the research.”

Sachs admitted he, too, bought into the mainstream media’s COVID-19 reporting at the beginning of the pandemic, especially after a major scientific journal, “Nature,” said there was overwhelming evidence the origin was natural.

He then credited reporting by The Intercept, U.S. Right to Know, and whistleblowers for helping to change his thinking.

“[They] started letting us in on what was really said inside, was shocking,” said Sachs, who added that after requesting a certain document he had been refused by a fellow commission member.

“I said, ‘Well, you can’t be on the commission. We’re a transparent commission,” Sachs said. “And I began to really see close up that there was so much lying coming out of NIH [National Institutes of Health], coming out of Fauci, coming out of, unfortunately, the government protecting all of this and now it’s spilling out.”

Sachs insists his desire to investigate COVID-19’s origin has more to do with present-day and future research. He credited Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., for focusing on gain-of-function research and for trying to persuade Democrat colleagues to probe the issue.

“It’s shocking to me that Democratic senators can’t understand this is not a partisan issue,” Sachs said. “This is a life and death issue. What kind of research is going on? What kind of laboratory manipulation’s going on? What is going on under what we euphemistically … call our biodefense research? Because who knows what it really is?

“I have gotten to understand well that there is a tremendous amount of dangerous research that is not supervised, and it would behoove our Democratic senators, as well as the Republicans, to find out what’s happening. This is not about getting Fauci, this is not about the past, this is about right now.”

Sachs ended his appearance with a plea to Senate Democrats.

“C’mon, we need to understand what’s going on, and we need to understand what kind of dangerous research is under way, and we need to understand where this virus came from,” he said.

“Open the books at University of North Carolina, open the books at Rocky Mountain Labs, understand the funding by the United States of the teams from University of North Carolina and other universities with the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Let’s understand what really happened.”
This type of confession and real truth about Covid Coverup should be grist for the Peters Inquiry as promised in the recent NZs Coalition Agreement.
Until then we will hold our breath to see if the mismanagement and lies and deliberate confusion by the Ardern/Hipkins /control freaks supported by the usual toady suspects .
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November 25, 2023 9:05am
Biscuit

Tova has been excelling herself again.

According to her, the new tripartite Government is Lupesey. Luxo, Peters, Seymour, like.

I tell you, I chortled.

For all of 0.69 seconds.

But, Tova, just supposing your old best pal’s No. 2 – Chris Hipkins – had won the election.

He’d have needed support from the Maori Party, the Green and Winston.

A tetrapartite Government if you will.

C for Chippie.
R for Rawiri Waititi
A for (Well, I dunno, but you are the name-maker-upper, Tova. Put your journalistic skills to use…)
P for Winston

No, no charge…
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November 25, 2023 9:06am
- slightlyrighty
  
  A for the Aotearoa Liberation Front, currently trading as the Green Party.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:10am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I think you could do better.
  Hi for Hipkins
  Sh for Shaw
  Da for Davidson
  Pe for Peters
  Wa for Waititi
  Ng for Ngarewa
  
  Dashhipeng?
  Hidashpeng?
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:16am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Even better, such a coalition could have a new deputy PM every 7 months!
    
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    November 25, 2023 9:17am
  - Biscuit
    
    Good stuff, mike!
    
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    November 25, 2023 9:17am
KH

News the big hospital in Gaza was built by the Israelis. Including the supposed tunnels. Fake news or perhaps true ?
If you have been under a big New Zealand hospital they have big infrastructure in a maze of multilevel basements. Spooky.
Tunnels also exist. I have been in an NZ one going hundreds of meters. Staff used it. You would never have known it was there.
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November 25, 2023 9:06am
- Master Mariner
  
  Nope, Ex PM stated it was built in the 80’s by Israel.
  Interview with Christine Amanpoor , Originally on CNN.
  
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  November 25, 2023 10:19am
  - DimChappie
    
    Here former PM Ehud Barak says Israeli engineers built bunker under the hospital to increase workspace:
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVG7duZ-u2U
    
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    November 25, 2023 2:02pm
- Inandout
  
  KH, I listened to a Hamas spokesman (alway male in Islam) who astoundingly claimed Israel killed its own people on Oct 7th. The Sky Oz interviewer was stunned at this inanity.
  https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/sky-news-host-laura-jayes-slams-hamas-head-of-international-relations-basem-naim-october-7-claims-in-tense-back-and-forth-ahead-of-gaza-ceasefire/news-story/96450d65bd7a5295f231cfdc3722e999
  
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  November 25, 2023 10:55am
  - Ghost
    
    There was a story last week I think from Israel admitung some friendly fire at the music festival, it was only a couple of people
    
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    November 25, 2023 11:05am
  - KH
    
    Inane indeed. I guess Hamas put that crap out because still some will believe it. Sad but true.
    As we know there are some here on Kiwiblog who follow the conspiracy blogs and love similar fantasy plots.
    Or they believe everything from “their side” and nothing from who they pick as the bad guys.
    I don’t believe much of any side – the level of blatant lies told is just outrageous. This year it’s been Russia / Ukraine and Hamas / IDF.
    Bulls**t everywhere.
    
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    November 25, 2023 12:24pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘As we know there are some here on Kiwiblog who follow the conspiracy blogs ‘
      That would be you and your Russian sources
      Cool projection bro
      Lol
      
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      November 25, 2023 1:14pm
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘supposed’ tunnels
  Yes, the tunnels are a conspiracy theory
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  There’s something wrong with you eh
  
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  November 25, 2023 1:15pm
  - KH
    
    Showing your sensitivities there Red. Come on. Fess up your list of the gurus you follow. We have seen you quote some of them. Or more likely, just be abusive, to cover up.
    
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    November 25, 2023 1:48pm
- ProtectBabiesFromPredators
  
  Why would Israeli’s build a Tunnel. Any Tunnel.
  Flood prone, below Sea level.
  Mexican Cartels spent millions on Tunnels to evade Law Enforcement.
  Did some reason necessitate tunnels?
  No.
  
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  November 25, 2023 7:03pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    Ridiculous. Plenty of good civilian and military reasons to build tunnels and underground constructions of all types. Civilian, storage and utilities. Military, fortified storage and transport.
    How far is Gaza from Egypt? When did Egypt get artillery and aircraft? The Israelis had plenty of good reasons to build underground fortifications when they were in control of Gaza.
    It’s interesting to note the people who believe that the Palestinians have no legitimate reason to build underground structures now, especial if those same people also believe in the right of self defense.
    
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    November 25, 2023 7:33pm
Chuck Bird

This is 30 minutes

Son of Hamas Co-Founder Denounces Group at UN, Exposes ‘Savage’ Indoctrination of Palestinian Kids

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjOEJumoABg
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November 25, 2023 9:10am
- Master Mariner
  
  Would you trust him ?
  
  Or is he conveniently “peddled” out.
  
  One thing for sure is his immediate relatives will be lined up for retribution, “Eye for an Eye “and all that.
  Has it happened?
  
  So if not, Then why not ?
  
  If inclined to do so, Watch him with the sound off.
  I’m not convinced either way.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:24am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Just read the comments. He worked for Israel to stop suicide bombers. He says Israel should not stop until they elimate Hamas
    
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    November 25, 2023 9:37am
    - Che Guava
      
      So he worked for Israel. I’m sure he’s objective. They may as well roll out another Jewish Zionist to rail against Hamas.
      
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      November 25, 2023 12:48pm
  - Ghost
    
    Go learn about him. He used to work undercover for Israel.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosab_Hassan_Yousef
    
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    November 25, 2023 9:53am
    - Che Guava
      
      So he’s a traitor to his people? Would you believe an Israeli who worked for Hamas who told you how awful Israel was? I doubt you would, so all this guy really brings is confirmation bias.
      
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      November 25, 2023 12:50pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Thanks, well that throws the dates amongst the palm trees.
      
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      November 25, 2023 1:48pm
ecco

Loved that list of coalition points DPF published yesterday. A complete rejection of the wokefication of nz over the last 6 years. Although not a fan of Peters by any means I think he adds value to this arrangement.

Isn’t it pitiful watching Hipkins trying to throw stones at the new coalition from the sidelines, make himself relevant, after the total mess his administration has left. He has no leg to stand on and the Labour Party would do well to move him out asap. Just a really bad look.
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November 25, 2023 9:15am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The wailing of the woke liberal lefties on social media is a joy to behold.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:36am
- mandk
  
  But who in Labour could replace Hipkins? The party is devoid of talent.
  
  And, worse than that (but only if you are a lefty), the party has lost connection with most NZers. It mainly represents the gangs, the idle, the woke and people who think making a profit is evil.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:52am
  - KH
    
    And the big overpaid crew on the government tab.
    
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    November 25, 2023 10:10am
  - ecco
    
    Agreed chippy is the best of a bad bunch.
    
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    November 25, 2023 10:52am
Benedict Yu

There was a poetic farmer talking on ZB yesterday. He said that after reading the coalition deal, he felt like he had been freed from a dark cave and seeing the sunlight. 😂

I hope that the government prioritises freeing farmers from regulatory burdens. I think a good start would be to base the regulation of harms to water in science. IMO it was a mistake to allow Iwi to develop “te mana o te wai” statements and to use these as the basis of regulating farmers. It provides no certainty or rationality to farmers.
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November 25, 2023 9:17am
- kowtow
  
  Not to mention those of us who want to be free to enjoy all the wonderful food they work so hard to produce.
  
  Labour/ Green , being on the Marxist spectrum see everything in terms of division and conflict , whereas rational people can see the world in terms of cooperation and mutual benefit .
  
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  November 25, 2023 10:16am
- ecco
  
  Heard that guy too on zb. Feel so relieved for the farmers. They are the pillars of society here🚜
  
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  November 25, 2023 10:54am
  - kowtow
    
    And there’s a good reason why the NZ coat of arms looks like it does .
    
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    November 25, 2023 11:07am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Yep , 3 boats too.
      Not that anyone knows why?
      
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      November 25, 2023 1:49pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        Well, I think ships are good for the logo/crest of a maritime nation, but they look too damned medieval in style. I’m guessing that’s because the whole thing was drawn up by some heraldic scribe in London and that’s how ships look for the rest of the heraldic crests.
        Also the sheep is dead, that’s BAAAA’d.
        Also, also, do you think the Māori warrior on the left is giving the glad eye to the blonde chick on the right ? Or is that just me?
        
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        November 25, 2023 5:50pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        then three ships symbolising the importance of New Zealand’s sea trade.
        
        https://mch.govt.nz/nz-identity-heritage/coat-arms
        
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        November 25, 2023 7:56pm
imalwaysright

Great to see Mike King’s Gumboot organisation get $6 million annually .

A humanitarian act from the incoming government .

Gumboot do great work and are very efficient with the money they get.

Labour were especially vindictive towards King.
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November 25, 2023 9:19am
Swifty

I see the early signs that the NZ Labour Party has not, and appears has no intention, of learning a single bloody thing as to why they’ve been unceremoniously thrown out of office after only six years.

Instead of being honest and sincere and taking the time to reflect on their loss and to look at the reasons why – instead they’ve chosen to just carry on as normal, continue to claim they’re right about everything and everyone else is wrong.

“This is going to be a Government that drives people apart,” Hipkins said.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/coalition-agreement-national-act-nz-first-and-the-deal-that-delivers-new-government/4MEDZQBQ7BDK3J3DLG5K5K3HHY/

I see. The NZ Labour Party can divide New Zealanders all it likes. It can implement policy after policy that accentuated our supposed differences. That granted privileges to people from certain racial groups over others and all the while constantly scolding and lecturing some groups that they are inherently racist, have inbuilt biases and discrimination and that they have everything to be ashamed of and nothing to be proud of – to the point where I don’t believe New Zealanders have ever been more divided across fault lines that Labour themselves created.

(Policies I might add that in many situations they were either unwilling or unable to defend. Their explanation for and defence of aspects of co-governance and 3 Waters was pathetic. Risible. Willie Jackson popping up on the odd tv show repeatedly squawking “Kiwis have nothing to fear” while the entire senior Labour team dived for cover – the best Ardern could manage was “Democracy has changed, we are now more sophisticated…”What? What does that even mean?)

And as they have done all this they have repeatedly claimed “Oh, we are bringing people together” as the evidence overwhelmingly mounts that they have done exactly the opposite – hence, among other things, their election trouncing as people overwhelmingly reject Labour prescriptions.

But if National and others push back against Labour’s policies it is THEY that are divisive?

One might ask, if Labour, as they claim, has been right about everything they have done why have they just lost the election? Were NZers wrong in the way they voted? Are New Zealanders stupid, do they think? Or will it be the old “We just didn’t communicate our policies well enough” excuse Labour frequently uses?

Just thinking ahead to the 2026 election. Assuming a moderately successful, or better, performance from National and friends, can you just imagine the difficulties of leading Labour into the election campaign? They will be just excoriated with people pointing back to the absolute disaster of the period 2017-23, with monumental failures and division left, right and centre and people asking whether they want to go back to that?

The NZ Labour Party have become a rudderless ship I believe. They are being tossed around in a sea of confusion, they don’t know what they stand for anymore, and are at an absolute loss as to why National and friends have won the election.

If I was them I’d just shut my mouth right now, show a bit of humility, get back to basics on why they exist and ask themselves some very deep soul-searching questions about the last six years and what has clearly gone very wrong for them.

Unfortunately, based on what I’ve seen so far, I won’t hold my breath that this will happen.
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November 25, 2023 9:20am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  sophistry
  /ˈsɒfɪstri/
  noun
  the use of clever but false arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving.
  
  a fallacious argument.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:58am
- The Housekeeper
  
  Labour used to be a workers’ party, now they’re just for beneficiaries and activists, many of whom have never worked a day in their lives.
  
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  November 25, 2023 1:21pm
ClanMcleod

The covid inquiry should be fascinating as more and more of the bs we were fed during the last few years of clownworld is exposed.

Here is just one more example.

Scientists conduct study to prove HEPA filters reduce rates of Covid infection, accidentally find the opposite
Yet another illustration of how incredibly stupid The Science has become.

Eugyppius reports on a study designed to show how HEPA filters would miraculously end covid infections, instead their meticulous study showed the opposite. 🤡

Here’s part of the summary.

Before Omicron and the installation of any air filters, all 32 childcare centres had totally comparable rates of infection. After the intervention centres got their filters, everything changed. For the seven months studied, the filtered centres saw an average of 372 infections per 1000 children, while the unfiltered control centres saw only 186.5 infections.

Childcare staff contracted Covid at much higher rates; the filtered centres saw an average of 1193.2 infections per 1000 staff, while the control centres had 529.7. In each case, we see that centres with HEPA filters had about twice as many infections as those without them.

Isn’t this part of what the Greens wanted to push? More massive waste for educational and healthcare facilities to get ‘proper’ air filtration systems??!!
If it wasn’t such a tragedy it would read like a Monty Python skit.

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/scientists-conduct-study-to-prove?

Bring on the covid inquiry. We might need to build a new jail…..!
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November 25, 2023 9:20am
- ClanMcleod
  
  It gets better!
  
  Pfizer Sues Poland, Demanding Money for Undelivered and Unwanted COVID Vaccines.
  
  After achieving a modest 57% COVID vaccination rate and seeing the vaccines not live up to the promise, Poles refused additional Pfizer COVID vaccine doses around April 2022.
  
  “At the end of last week, we used the force majeure clause and informed both the European Commission and the main vaccine producer that we are refusing to take these vaccines at the moment and we are also refusing to pay,” health minister Adam Niedzielski told private broadcaster TVN24.
  
  I think refusing to pay for a product that not only doesn’t work, but does more harm than good, is a pretty valid position to take. As is refusing to take any more of the crap.
  Especially when you’ve never actually been able to read the contract!!
  
  https://www.igor-chudov.com/p/pfizer-sues-poland-demanding-money
  
  Here’s hoping the NZ inquiry is robust enough to find the fraudsters and clowns in this country responsible for this disaster.
  
  It is incredible what we’ve had done to our society.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:30am
  - I remember when
    
    The real question is, how many doses of Pfizer vaccine have there been considered unwanted world wide?
    Again the question of the wording of the original contracts arises.
    Have the vaccine companies been allowed to get away with something akin to holding countries to ransom?
    
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    November 25, 2023 10:11am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I remember when – you can bet money that most contracts worldwide are the same.
      
      What a scam.
      
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      November 25, 2023 10:21am
      - I remember when
        
        Did anyone wonder why, if it was so good, it needed such a punitive contract?
        
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        November 25, 2023 12:14pm
Sparrow

It’s interesting to compare the life and business experience of the last two Prime ministers and the new one. Yes he is a political novice but I know who I have more confidence in. Wish the new government well. The normal media honeymoon for a new government did not even get to the starters gun.
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November 25, 2023 9:24am
- I remember when
  
  The new government.
  At least we know why it isn’t going to work (according to the media ‘experts’).
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:39am
- peterwn
  
  Unilever and Air NZ would have had to deal with various political issues both internally and externally. So dealing with political issues is nothing really new for Chris Luxon. The agreements he got are the best that could be hoped for. There are two aspects of power he has which he can play as appropriate –
  1. Choosing the date of the next election and that includes staring people down and forcing a confidence vote if need be – on his terms.
  2. Awarding knighthoods (and I was going to say London but he is a bit old to be offered that).
  
  Chris Luxon will be Smiling Assassin mark 2 if the occasion requires it.
  
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  November 25, 2023 11:00am
Stephen

Todd McClay is Minister of Trade, and Nicola Grigg is Minister of State for Trade. Does anyone know what the difference is?
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November 25, 2023 9:27am
- Cassandra
  
  A Minister of State is junior to the Minister. In effect a deputy.
  
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  November 25, 2023 10:05am
  - Vinicius
    
    Outgoing Minister of State for Trade and Export Growth is Rino Tirikatene. It is a role outside of cabinet.
    
    I don’t recall hearing diddly-squat from Mr Tirikatene over the last 6 years. Guess that is why the voters gave him the heave-ho?
    
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    November 25, 2023 10:40am
  - Stephen
    
    Great, thank you for that info. Never heard of it before.
    
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    November 25, 2023 1:48pm
Maggie Pie

“Stripping the use of Te Reo is not an attack on the Maori language – it’s an attack on the virtue signallers who have hijacked the language for their own socialist means”

– Winston Peters. DPM

Let’s hope NewstalkZB’s Tony Doe gets the memo. SHEESH!
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November 25, 2023 9:35am
- Biscuit
  
  Maggie, the girls at the tennis club might be best advised to hold off on the giant Tēnehi sign you were going to erect…
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:49am
I remember when

Co-governace:
National Co-governance – you get what you voted for.
Labour Co-governance – you got what you didn’t vote for.
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November 25, 2023 9:35am
Colville

Anyone know where I can find policy on revenue sharing or cash bonus paid to Councils for additional houses built?

There was talk of GST share and/or $25K per house above average?
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November 25, 2023 9:38am
imalwaysright

Clan,

Back home the teachers opened the windows, summer and winter.

The air didn’t need filters.

Filters seem to be collection points for bacteria, I’ve seen some that would make a Wuhan lab worker jealous !
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November 25, 2023 9:40am
- ClanMcleod
  
  It’s an absolute joy watching this narrative crumble before our eyes!!
  
  I remember at the height of the madness, the Scottish government policy was to pay to cut an inch off the bottom of classroom doors for better ventilation…. 🤡🤡🤡
  
  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scotland-saw-doors-schools-covid-undercut-b2006900.html
  
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  November 25, 2023 10:12am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBf5isahfUw
Rats Flee CCC Ship in Christchurch.
Wow, Awesome, exciting, both in central and local Govt!

In Christchurch, the corporate corrupt figurative rats (in my view) are jumping off the Christchurch City Council ship…

Not because the ships going down; but because the Council is exposing them!

Well done CCC.

Keep your foot on the gas!
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November 25, 2023 9:48am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IvMUlQ1tmM
Liberals a Tad Worried.
Liberals are a tad concerned about the likelihood of a Trump victory in the 2024 election. they’re worried about their agenda being overturned. Their main concern is the end of ‘trans rights’. [8:25]
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November 25, 2023 9:48am
Diogenes

I am having a difficult discussion with my son regarding the word “woke”. While I follow the various iterations of it in blogs such as KB, I am having difficulty coming up with a definition that is authoritative. He says no-one can explain to him what the problem is. I’ve looked online for a helpful definition, but the standard dictionary definitions don’t encompass the more recent expansions of the concept.

So I would be very grateful for some assistance from KB contributors. Particularly including some illustrations of ways in which wokeness is now being applied. Links to quality references would be greatly appreciated, as my son does not give credence to generalisations or unsourced references.
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November 25, 2023 9:51am
- Notsofast
  
  Woke is best discovered by researching Diversity equity and inclusion departments.
  These are highly paid people who must find problems to justify their existence. The result is that employees in corporates and institutions are silenced.
  Obama accidentally unleashed the full onslaught by requiring gender identity to be a legally protected matter in his famous Dear Colleagues letter in about 2011.
  Title 9 is the featured statute.
  Here is an example in the gender space, but he will see you as a transphobe. This guy is not one despite the message, he supports the right of adults to undergo drugs and surgery and will respect their pronouns.
  
  https://youtu.be/E8wkPPr7YQQ?si=KhurlgAI52fJIETM
  
  Another longer discussion but the best I have heard is Greg Lukianoff who started FIRE in 2003
  
  https://youtu.be/RSnU5_EjiDA?si=cPByod3gqFF2dUKD
  
  Chloe Swarbrick is woke, she supports men being in female spaces and sport because she is rich, and won’t be endangered. That is an example of how being woke can be painless.
  The labour and green parties are woke, NZF is not woke. National plays woke, Nicola Willis and Erica Stanford have thrown children and women under the bus in the cause of hoovering a few woke votes.
  I have a friend trying to find a publisher for a book he has written on the subject, no luck yet despite 15 or so other books on the subject. Most people find they can’t reach females between the ages of 17 and 25 because this cohort are omniscient and know everything. These women are indoctrinated by woke institutions, and go on to rule in publishing houses and media. They are formidable. They rail at micro aggressions (eg silence is violence) but empathize with macro aggressors like Hamas.
  Hope that ramble helps a little.
  
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  November 25, 2023 10:32am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  This piece has a very American focus, but it crystallises the meaning of “woke” pretty well.
  
  https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/03/29/opinion/arguable-newsletter-minnesota-woke/
  
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  November 25, 2023 10:56am
- than
  
  It more or less it’s just identity politics, but revolves around seeking conflict in the name of social justice.
  
  Take the story of that climate protest in 2021 that was disbanded due to supposed racism for example. It’s a good example of what woke is.
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/06/we_have_a_winner-2.html
  
  Basically just the old Marxist class analysis with a race and gender lens.
  
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  November 25, 2023 11:13am
- Bridgenag
  
  What is woke?
  An intolerant and moralizing ideology.
  
  https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/what-is-woke?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
  
  woke is not anti-colonization. woke IS colonization
  the first rule of woke club is: “you’re pretty much are everything you claim to hate”
  
  https://open.substack.com/pub/boriquagato/p/woke-is-not-anti-colonization-woke?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email 
  
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  November 25, 2023 1:54pm
- miltonF
  
  In my opinion, wokeness is a form of cultural Marxism. The woke ideology essentially pushes concepts of socialist utopian grandeur. Most woke ideas at their core, are fundamentally flawed as they are based on insurmountable delusions of reality. For example, “what is a woman”? It is the denial and inability to accept reality that allows wokeness to grow. As with most Marxist concepts, the description/name is an exact opposite of its observed function.
  
  Woke = dreaming. Completely asleep to reality.
  
  Just like how the disinformation project actually pushes disinformation. Just like how the woke believe it is racist to treat everyone equally. Just like how the woke believe inflation isn’t caused by inflation, but it actually caused by various other factors. Wokeness is best described as a cultural marxist bastardisation of reality.
  
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  November 25, 2023 3:46pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    There’s a pretty clear paper trail from Marxism to wokeism, through the writings of people like Antonio Gramsci and Paulo Freire.
    
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    November 25, 2023 10:31pm
- Colinxy
  
  The above are all great examples of woke.
  
  Mapping the Margins by Kimberle Crenshaw is the essential birthplace of woke. It is intersectional Marxism.
  
  It is the combination of classism, racism, sexism, queer theory, religions and post modernism welded together – the oppression olympics.
  
  Its origins are cultural Marxism (Antonio Gramsci) which the Frankfurt school would graft into their Neo Marxism’s (especially Herbert Marcuse). Marcuse’s protege Angela Davis (a black lesbian Neo Marxist) would be a major inspiration for Kimberle Crenshaw.
  
  They also adopted Mao’s cultural revolution as well. They like xi-nao from Mao in particular – that’s where we get the term brainwashing from. Whether there’s a link between Gramsci and Mao is unknown but the Frankfurt school liked both.
  
  Since then it has added other grifts like fat studies.
  
  It is tearing apart the feminists as it is steam rolling over the TERFs as an example.
  
  It is also tearing apart society; those on the Left are affected when they fail the latest purity test as another example.
  
  The whole point is to implement communism. Like its forbears it will create mountains of skulls if it ever takes over.
  
  It has infiltrated education under the guise of critical pedagogy. There are other Marxist ideas in education too under the umbrella term of Critical Theory – SEL, Critical Race Theory, Critical White Studies being a few examples.
  
  It has infiltrated large corporations through DEI and ESG as well as “Sustainability”. Klaus Schwab calls this Stakeholder Capitalism.
  
  It has infiltrated organised religions. Liberation Theology for Catholicism. Resolution 9 for Southern Baptists. But Christianity is hardly the only religion as they have movements within Islam, Buddhism etc.
  
  Does the above answer your question?
  
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  November 25, 2023 8:10pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  You’ll know it when you hear it
  
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  November 26, 2023 6:39am
Diogenes

Another call for enlightenment. What is the technique for including bold and italic formating in a KB post? I am a graphic designer and can write basic html, but it has got me beat.
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November 25, 2023 9:55am
- Ghost
 
 You will know how to close these out and fix
 
 strong. = Bold
 em = Italic
 blockquote
 
 Just remember the < And to close them out
 
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 November 25, 2023 10:07am
 - Diogenes
 
 Many thanks. Yes, I do understand.
 
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 November 25, 2023 10:16am
- rouppe
 
 If you know basic html then you know how to open and close tags.
 b=bold
 i=italics
 
 do this to give do this
 
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 November 25, 2023 3:05pm
Ghost

Did openAI accomplish AGI

YouTube
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November 25, 2023 10:04am
- NothingLeft
 
 Maybe in baby-form, if not then it’s really close. I expect human-beating artificial general intelligence in next 2-3 years. And superintelligence far superior to humans within weeks to months after that.
 
 This is biggest invention since fire, and it’s happening, irrevocably, right now. One way or another over next 10’s to 100’s of years it will lead to human extinction hopefully either benignly via trans-humanism as we gradually morph into AIs ourselves, or (I fear more likely) the AIs will decide they have other uses for earth that aren’t compatible with human survival.
 
 Next to this all the socio-political problems we discuss and fear are as nothing.
 
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 November 25, 2023 11:03am
 - Cinematic
 
 Like The Matrix, except hopefully without the sequels and a better ending.
 
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 November 25, 2023 11:15am
 - NothingLeft
 
 It truly staggers me how blithely everyone seems to be accepting this collosal extistential threat. Probably a combination of ignorance and inability or unwillingness (in pschological terms low trait openness) to re-jig their understanding of the world to accommodate this ‘outside of context’ change/threat to their lives. All the assumptions of our understanding of the world and our place in it are about to become wrong. Life, business,career and retirement plans all swept away by technological revolution.
 
 We’re like the Dodos impassively watching the arrival of the first sailing ships at their Island with bland disinterest.
 
 Even the most benign possible trajectories see enormous upheaval and an end to most underpinnings of human civilisation (dump rules of economics, the ‘social contract’, commerce, reward for effort, human labour becoming uneconomic, much human endeavor and individual raison d’etre becoming meaningless)
 
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 November 25, 2023 12:42pm
 - NothingLeft
 
 For those of a technical bent: This is a part summary part reporting of known public stuff and appended scary-as-fuck rumour about an already existent but unpublished OpenAI self improving inventive/creative add-on to large language models that has already broken strong (AES192) encryption in a way we don’t understand.
 
 If real (The size of leap and breaking encryption make it seem low-likelihood to me I’d guess <10%) then this is terrifying, it's near-as damn AGI and the end of cyber security and online e-commerce as we know it.
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d0kk88IE8c
 
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 November 25, 2023 5:11pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/301014917/young-mother-left-with-300-bed-bug-bites-after-spending-night-with-critters-at-wellington-hotel
Something a bit fishy here, I think. The name rings a bell but I can’t recall why: can anyone with a better memory than me help?
These sites may be connected.
https://www.pinterest.nz/hannahalexiss/?amp_client_id=CLIENT_ID(_)&mweb_unauth_id=%7B%7Bdefault.session%7D%7D

https://www.facebook.com/hannah.doyle.1291/

https://www.instagram.com/hannah.doyle__/
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November 25, 2023 10:06am
- DimChappie
  
  She’s also an online entertainer:
  
  https://www.reddit.com/user/hana_nicole/
  
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  November 25, 2023 2:58pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Any hotel in Manners St is likely to be infested by gang members, welfare bludgers and the like. Bed bugs are the least of your worries.
  
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  November 25, 2023 6:48pm
thirteenstars

From Spiked about the rioting in Dublin:

Some of us, even as we feel deeply unsettled by the riotous scenes in Dublin, believe there has to be a better explanation than ‘They’re insane’ or ‘They’re Nazis in tracksuits’. It started with the horrific knife attack outside a school near Parnell Square. A woman and three children were assaulted. The woman and a five-year-old girl remain in a critical condition. It was reported, but isn’t yet confirmed, that the knifeman is an Algerian national. This news spread like wildfire and before long the republic was in the grip of its worst civil unrest in a long time.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/11/24/ireland-and-the-fury-of-the-cancelled
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November 25, 2023 10:07am
- rouppe
  
  So… The rioting is due to pent up anger due to mass immigration that has meant 20% of Irish were not born there.
  
  Ireland was forced to accept this migration by pressure, including fines, from the remote EU bureaucracy.
  
  And there are still those that wonder why Britain left the EU.
  
  Disclaimer: I think rioting and looting is disgraceful.
  
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  November 25, 2023 11:26am
  - kowtow
    
    Given the level of migration into the UK this last year alone there’s an awful lot of folk there aslo wondering the same thing.
    
    They’ll punish the Tories for it at the ballot box , get Labour in who’ll then just make it worse.If that were possible.
    
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    November 25, 2023 1:59pm
  - MCōs
    
    Approximately 25% of NZ residents were not born here, but we didn’t have riots in the streets when an Australian immigrant killed fifty people in Chch or a Sri Lankan stabbed eight people in LynnMall.
    An explanation from an Irish journalist
    https://x.com/owenjones84/status/1728090989842120790?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
    
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    November 25, 2023 2:01pm
    - thirteenstars
      
      Surely the massacre of 51 people in NZ is a worse indicator than a bit of looting and burning in Dublin? Sounds like Ireland is a safer place for minorities than NZ.
      
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      November 25, 2023 3:45pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      Our immigrants are mostly industrious and low criminality Asians. Great additions to NZ Dislike for immigration in west is not racism, its behaviourusm and the threat they pose in violence and economically (jobs) to existing citizens.
      
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      November 25, 2023 6:53pm
Cassandra

Suicide prevention in the UK: “Man threatening to kill himself with gun is shot dead by police.”
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November 25, 2023 10:09am
- Colville
  
  That will learn him!
  
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  November 25, 2023 10:23am
Maggie Pie

As relevant 2000 years ago as it was Oct 14….

“Jesus rescue those who are living
in danger of hell’s fire. There are
others you should treat with mercy,
but be very careful that their filthy
socialist lives don’t rub on off you”

Jude 1:23
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November 25, 2023 10:12am
- waikatosinger
  
  Socialists are garments? Are you calling Hipkins a big girl’s blouse?
  
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  November 25, 2023 10:29am
- kowtow
  
  Haha
  
  Funny innit how the ultra left Greens and Maori Party types etc call for decolonising Israel of the Jews , who were there long before the Arab colonisation and how the Jews who use the Hebrew script that was used there thousands of years before the Arab Muslim invasion.
  
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  November 25, 2023 10:48am
Clown

Anyone having fun reading Stuff today? I normally don’t frequent far left extremists websites but today morning was just gold. Lefties whining about ‘anti-vax government that promotes smoking, racist against poor disadvantaged Māori and climate change deniers’ it’s free entertainment. Now if only the new government would stop giving these cockroaches money and let them operate in competitive environment…
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November 25, 2023 10:19am
- Vinicius
  
  I watched half of the ThreeNow-Newshub political show at 9.30am today. I gave up on it when Mihingarangi Forbes on the panel was whining and moaning about the new government’s policies.
  
  Before that the funniest part was Simon Shepherd interviewing Nicola Willis and throughout the whole interview he had a sour facial expression like he’d swallowed a couple of dead rats.
  
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  November 25, 2023 10:48am
- rouppe
  
  Repeated comments that “reducing back office staff” means doctors, nurses, teachers and police officers.
  
  Either they’re morons, or just plain dishonest.
  
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  November 25, 2023 11:13am
  - kowtow
    
    Dishonest morons .
    
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    November 25, 2023 2:00pm
Yvette

Over 70 schools, hospitals, places of worship, organisations, receive threatening messages across New Zealand
In an email Newshub has seen, Mairangi Bay School principal Nathan Janes told students to stay home until further notice due to a “bomb threat”.

Is there any substantial reason why media who “have seen” these emails do not quote anything pertinent from them. Is it a reflection on readers that they are not capable of “trust” that they too should not see any such detail?
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November 25, 2023 10:34am
- Ghost
  
  Likely police don’t want it known yet as they investigate.
  
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  November 25, 2023 10:45am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  The police need to hold back some details from the public because of the nutcases who call in to confess. Then they can quickly be discounted if they don’t know details that the actual perp would know
  
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  November 25, 2023 11:47am
- Jake Dee
  
  Not to mention that if it’s a bomb threat it’s immediately a Police matter. It’s not the principal who tells the kids to stay away, it’s serious business and there are rules to follow.
  
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  November 25, 2023 5:59pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/new-coalition-dont-for-a-second-think-the-fight-is-over-because-its-not-in-fact-its-just-starting/

Corruption. See page 24 on how to fix it.

https://issuu.com/esisite/docs/the_psychology_of_takeover_rejig?fr=xKAE9_zU1NQ
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November 25, 2023 10:37am
I remember when

Brothers seeking asylum in New Zealand: North Taranaki Midweek.
Shams Tahir and his brother are Christians from Pakistan.
“In August 28 churches were burned and demolished.
And, 89 Christian houses were burned and 25 looted.
On that night, people slept in fields and they demolished a Christian graveyard.”

And not an Israeli or Jew in sight.
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November 25, 2023 10:42am
- Inandout
  
  Irw, I understood India and Pakistan were created to keep those two apart?
  
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  November 25, 2023 11:01am
  - David Garrett
    
    inand: India and Pakistan were created to keep the Hindus in India and the Muslims in Pakistan apart. When created in 1947, Pakistan was in two parts, East and West, with India in the middle.
    
    I can’t now remember when one of Pakistans became Bangladesh or why that occurred.
    
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    November 25, 2023 12:13pm
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      East Pakistan were treated as “shit” by the Govt in W Pakistan and the E Pakistanis revolted and there was massive bloodshed.
      
      Eventually Indira Ghandi sent in the Indian Army under that Great Indian Field Marshal Sam Manekshaw.
      
      He defeated the Pakistanis, and treated the PoWs with respect and bought peace and order to E Pakistan and it became Bangladesh.
      
      Look up Sam Manekshaw, he was known as Sam Bahabadur which translates to Sam the Brave.
      
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      November 25, 2023 12:41pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      David, would it surprise you to learn that India is the most populous Muslim country in the world? Because it is.
      
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      November 25, 2023 9:29pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        I would be surprised.
        I’m reading 204m Muslims in India and 241m in Indonesia.
        
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        November 25, 2023 9:41pm
      - Colville
        
        Jake.
        Yip. Indonesia.
        And the Indos let Bali exist with its rampant drug and alcohol culture totaly at odds with the religion.. Why..?
        
        Money.
        
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        November 25, 2023 9:51pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        I don’t know about that, I’m no expert but I would guess that Bali with its Hindu culture would have had a high level of local autonomy before it became rich. An archipelago isn’t going to have a strong central government.
        
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        November 25, 2023 10:16pm
- Che Guava
  
  Imagine if it was 28 synagogues, and 114 Jewish houses instead of Christians. The outrage would be deafening. Jewish organisations all over the world would be calling out the vile anti-semitism. Where are all the Jews calling out this anti-Christian hate? Are we only Judeo-Christians when it suits?
  
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  November 25, 2023 11:40am
The Veteran

I see that a nobody called Hipkins has rocketed into the National/ACT/NZF coalition government calling their agreement chaos in the making. Just who is this Hipkins of whom people speak … more to the point … who cares?
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November 25, 2023 11:33am
Frederick

I made a rare visit to TV One last night to get their take on the new government.
For those who wisely chose not to watch this was what occurred. Simon “lefty sycophant” Dallow would introduce a policy initiative from the new govt. This would be followed by a unknown academic/union spokesman/unknown Maori spokesperson decrying said initiative as if it was the end of the world. Obviously no time to find a spokesperson who might actually agree with the policy.
The nadir was the Maori spokesperson on the policy of changing Govt agencies back to their original names who described this as “devastating”. So in future if we get a radio announcement from the NZ Transport agency (instead of Waka Kotahi) that the left lane of the Terrace Tunnel is blocked because of an accident I assume all of Maoridom will be “devastated” at such an announcement and see this as the end of the world. Jesus wept!
So two things we can count on in the next 3 years is TV One being unrelentingly negative toward the National led Govt and the Maori grievance industry going into hyperdrive.
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November 25, 2023 11:36am
- Tom Hunter
  
  And still the Nat/ACT/Winston government will refuse to sell it. Sure, the private ones are no different but at least we Right-wing taxpayers would have the satisfaction of no longer supporting our opponents.
  
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  November 25, 2023 2:36pm
  - Swifty
    
    That’s one of my disappointments of the coalition agreement Tom – no elimination of state broadcasting.
    
    Taxpayers will have to continue to fund relentless, remorseless, biased lefty mouthpieces.
    
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    November 25, 2023 3:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Sorry, can’t do a link.

God created heaven and the earth. Quickly he was faced with a class action suit for failure to file an environmental impact statement. He was granted a temporary permit for the project, but was stymied with the cease and desist order for the earthly part.
Appearing at the hearing, God was asked why he began his earthly project in the first place. He replied that he just liked to be creative. Then God said, “Let there be light”, and immediately the officials demanded to know how the light would be made. Would there be strip mining? What about thermal pollution?
God explained that the light would come from a huge ball of fire. God was granted provisional permission to make light, assuming that no smoke would result from the ball of fire: that he would obtain RMA consent(rescouce management consent); and to conserve energy, would have the light out half the time. God agreed and said he would call the light “Day” and the darkness “Night”. Officials replied that they were not interested in semantics.
God said, “Let the earth bring forth green herb and such as many seed”. DOC 9dept of conservation) agreed so long as native seed was used. Then God said, “Let waters bring forth creeping creatures having life; and the fowl that may fly over the earth”.
Officials pointed out this would require approval from the Department of Conservation coordinated with the Heavenly Wildlife Federation and the Forest & Bird Society.
Everything was fine until God said he wanted to complete the project in Six days. Officials said it would take at least 200 days to review the application and impact statement. After that there would be a public hearing. Then there would be 10-12 months before the granting…
At this point God created Hell.
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November 25, 2023 12:04pm
Benedict Yu

Wow this would suck.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/11/25/aussie-cruise-turned-away-from-nz-over-biosecurity-issues-passengers-unhappy/

Australian cruise ship turned away from New Zealand. Instead they get to go on a cruise to Australia. 🙁

I am sure the company covers itself in its terms and conditions. But honestly they should all be taken home and given a full refund.
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November 25, 2023 12:08pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “exotic caulpera” is not a danger to Australia, only NZ?
  
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  November 26, 2023 7:46am
Benedict Yu

This guy is some piece of work.

“Perhaps most striking, in National’s agreement with both ACT and New Zealand First, is the extraordinary attention reserved for Māori.

This is the coalition’s heart of darkness.”

https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/11/25/john-campbell-i-hoped-to-be-surprised-actually-im-amazed/
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November 25, 2023 12:12pm
- Ghost
  
  I agree with John Campbell, it’s awful, so awful I think John should move to Australia, or even maybe the USA. Actually I think Australia or the USA should immediately go to the UN and call for the resettlement of NZ’s political reporter refugees.
  
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  November 25, 2023 12:21pm
  - kowtow
    
    Being that he’s a Campbell , perhaps he should take himself off to the Highlands where he belongs …….
    
    singing in the heather and stealing cattle and sheep and being unpleasant to the McDonalds in the next valley o’er .
    
    Either way , we’d be wll shot of him.
    
    Och aye , laddie.
    
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    November 25, 2023 2:06pm
- Swifty
  
  I think that’s very revealing of Campbell’s world view, and not in a good way.
  
  Campbell was a couple of years ahead of me at Wellington College, so he must be approaching 60. You might have thought that in all those years he might have heard of the expression “there are many ways to skin a cat”.
  
  Or, does he in fact believe that:
  
  1. Labour’s policies were guaranteed to deliver better, more prosperous lives.
  2. The only way to deliver Maori better, more prosperous lives was through Labour’s policies.
  3. National and friends’ policies are guaranteed not to deliver Maori better, more prosperous lives.
  
  I strongly suspect that is exactly what he believes – to be writing off National’s policies before they are even in government, and talking doom and gloom about their intention to dismantle many of Labour’s.
  
  Well, I’ve got news for Mr Campbell. I would wager Mikenmild’s house that should Labour had free rein for, say, 10 years and their policies allowed to run what we’d see is a small slice of Maori becoming extraordinarily wealthy (the tribal elites, the already successful, the connected Wellington Maori, Maori lawyers and Maori ‘service providers’) but with ordinary Maori doing absolutely no better than they are today and probably worse.
  
  I offer two pieces of evidence that this will be the case.
  
  1. Labour’s policies don’t and didn’t address the fundamental problems causing Maori underachievement. Throwing billions of taxpayer dollars at the Tamihere’s of this world won’t fix the fundamental problem that the majority of Maori receive an appalling education in NZ, via the state system. Maori will always be at the bottom of our social statistics while this is the case. Alongside staying married, developing marketable skills and behaviours, and not having kids when young it is up with the largest factors in life success.
  
  2. If there was thing that Labour distinguished themselves with in the last six years it is that they have proved yet again that you can pour gazzilions into areas, in their case health, education, mental health and housing etc, and actually end up with worse outcomes.
  
  This is exactly what would have happened with Maori had Labour not got the boot.
  
  (I’d add to that there needs to be a bloody great attitude adjustment within certain parts of Maoridom for them to be uplifted in great numbers. They lead the truancy stats and just take one look at the hundreds and hundreds of Maori posting comments lamenting the death of Bird Hines and saying how much he will be missed etc on Facebook and tell me they are people with their values straight. Hines has caused untold harm to our communities, worst of all Maori, over 40 years and profiteered from that misery and he is lamented like some sort of Kiwi Robin Hood?
  
  You’d never see that from the Chinese, or Indian, or Japanese communities in New Zealand.)
  
  So, I am greatly disappointed in John Campbell. For a person such as him, of one our supposed premier journalists, appearing to be empty of intellectual curiosity as to what might actually work in lifting Maori achievement and shows he is a mere slave to Labour policy prescriptions. Policy prescriptions that have shown us time after time they don’t work – they merely give an illusion of progress.
  
  I say that if National and friends deliver Maori a world class education (and Maori parents have a massive role to play here), find a way to keep Maori families together in much greater numbers, reduce welfare dependency, get far more young Maori into work early and lift economic productivity and growth they will do much, much more than Labour could ever dream about.
  
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  November 25, 2023 3:14pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Welfare and legal system reward women who expel dads from their kids lives with money and greater freedom. Especially amongst poorest sections of community. Broken fatherless kids growing into unhappy failing adults is an inevitable direct result of generous ‘caring’ mother-focused/favouring welfarism and family law.
    
    Obvious negative consequence of superficially ‘good’ left wing policy example #3476.
    
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    November 25, 2023 4:04pm
    - miltonF
      
      One of my friends just split up after a 10yr relationship. Two kids. Very sad, especially for the kids.
      
      It got me thinking though. There is no incentive to keep families together, and plenty of incentives to break apart families. I had to ponder, from the female perspective, what benefit is there to actually keeping the man around? I honestly could not think of anything. Fathers are being replaced by the state. If you could have all of the financial benefits of having a partner, without them having any control or say in those finances or raising of the children, why wouldn’t you choose this option?
      
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      November 25, 2023 5:11pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        You know it’s all short term vs long term benefits. Civilization is indistinguishable from preferring the future over now.
        
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        November 25, 2023 6:06pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Sex on tap?
        
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        November 25, 2023 6:55pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        , what benefit is there to actually keeping the man around?
        
        To change lightbulbs when a ladder is required.
        To do the dishes.
        
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        November 25, 2023 7:10pm
Benedict Yu

It will be interesting to see how the renaming of government agencies comes along.

Government departments can just be renamed as the stroke of a pen.

Some Crown Entities could be a bit more tricky.

For example the legislation “establishes Kāinga Ora–Homes and Communities and provides for a government policy statement on housing and urban development.”

https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2019/0050/latest/LMS169206.html

I can’t see the Government changing the Act just to change the name. Maybe it will just rebrand as “Homes and Communities”. However I would wager that its first advice to the new Minister will be “We can’t change our name because it is in our Act.” 🙂 Good luck with that.

Waka Kotahi will have no such luck. Its Act names it “New Zealand Transport Agency”. 🙂

https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2003/0118/latest/DLM1473931.html?search=sw_096be8ed81dcf580_%22transport+agency%22_25_se&p=1&sr=2
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November 25, 2023 12:24pm
Ghost

Bloody diskhead

A Burger Fuel-branded car participating in the Avondale Santa parade has ploughed into a Polynesian brass band.

Police and ambulances were at the scene and paramedics were seen tending to people thought to have been hit.

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November 25, 2023 12:45pm
- Ghost
  
  Pathetic, and worse than the driver’s screw up.
  
  Two children and an adult were pulled from a car and assaulted at the Avondale Santa Parade after the car they were in collided with two people, police say.
  
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  November 25, 2023 3:34pm
Che Guava

Breaking: Big time American entrepreneur and property developer loves New Zealand and proposes a deal with Maori.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcI2d7pjuA0
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November 25, 2023 1:18pm
- marcw
  
  Breaking?? Interview by Paul Holmes.
  
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  November 25, 2023 2:04pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Vid says posted 2 years ago, but Trump is much younger there. I would say it was filmed before the 2016 Election.
  
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  November 26, 2023 8:03am
Benedict Yu

and the hysteria ramps up and up…. 🙂

“Te Pāti Māori co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer described it as: “A Government that’s intending to whitewash Aotearoa and wipe out indigenous peoples.”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/election-2023-act-s-david-seymour-secures-coalition-bounty.html
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November 25, 2023 2:36pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Hasn’t she noticed how many Maori are in the new Government?
  
  Does she really think Dr Shane Reti is going to oversee the extermination of Maori?
  
  Does she really think Karen Chhour is going to turn a blind eye to all the little Maori babes that are being tortured/starved/ killed?
  
  Does she really think David Seymour is going to pour $$$$$$ into enterprises that supply drugs and guns to Maori gangs?
  
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  November 25, 2023 2:50pm
- Vinicius
  
  Has Willie Jackson been heard from in the last 24 hours? Cannot wait to hear his thought provoking contribution.
  
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  November 25, 2023 2:53pm
- Swifty
  
  Good grief.
  
  That sort of talk is unhinged.
  
  It reeks of desperation. And fanaticism.
  
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  November 25, 2023 3:19pm
Chris Nisbet

It’s bad enough that governments are screwing oil and gas exploration, but banks are at it as well…
https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/bnp-paribas-shuts-out-mining-clients-tied-metallurgical-coal-2023-11-23/
BNP won’t be financing oil and gas or metallurgical coal mining.
This ESG nonsense is sinister as.
Ooh, I’d love to hear the arguments that explain how all the mining required to satisfy the demands of ruinable energy source is ‘sustainable’.
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November 25, 2023 2:43pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

How would NZ Cops handle this?

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1384284202417850
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November 25, 2023 2:52pm
greybeard

About 30 Labour MPs lost their seats ( and their big incomes ) at the last election: it will be interesting to see just what they will be doing for a crust in the near future.
I bet some will be sweating, having committed to large mortgages on the best salary they will ever get.
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November 25, 2023 3:24pm
Jethrod

I have been through the list of ministers and there isn’t one with the title minister of social welfare.
Is there now a fancy name for it or has it been dis-established already?
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November 25, 2023 4:15pm
- Ghost
  
  Upston is Minister for Social Development
  
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  November 25, 2023 4:31pm
Swifty

Clear and open calls for the killing of all Jews being preached in UK mosques:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PSVyfNofxUc

Who would bet that the same calls are not happening here in NZ?
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November 25, 2023 4:57pm
- kowtow
  
  MEMRI website shows imams at mosques across the west preaching hatred against Jews.
  
  Te media pahti fully aware but choose to ignore.
  
  Very odd.
  
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  November 25, 2023 5:47pm
goNZ1

Once the new govt finally gives the Treaty rort the scrutiny it richly deserves,I hope they call out the war dance,threatening,pagan haka.

As per nzherald today-
‘Before mounting their bikes this morning, gang members performed a haka in front of a big crowd gathered at the pad that also included gangsters from the Killer Beez and King Cobras.’

Lovely people,these peace loving feral tangata whenua! Marama Davidson is sooo proud of you
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November 25, 2023 6:06pm
Ghost

What exactly did these ministers even do under labour

The last thing the people of Gisborne need is more heavy rain, but that’s what they got again on Saturday.

To make matters worse it’s come after the coalition leaders failed to make an announcement they were hoping for – the appointment of a minister who would be dedicated to cyclone recovery.

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November 25, 2023 7:31pm
Ghost

Looking like a national win

https://www.electionresults.govt.nz/
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November 25, 2023 7:31pm
- marcw
  
  IMO, this certainly legitimises Casey Costello’s appointment as List MP for the NZ First coalition party in Government. My strong regulatory recommendation to fix the number of unknown and ineffective MP’s who get into Parliament on Party Lists is that they are required to stand in an Electorate, and to gain at least 10% of the total vote in that electorate to be eligible for appointment. I’m open to a variation on that percentage, but no less than 5% minimum. Casey’s result so far (90% votes counted) is at ~20% of the total vote.
  
  See, it shows it can be done for candidates with actual ability and with something to offer.
  
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  November 25, 2023 9:03pm
Ghost

Hmmmm. Sounds familiar, where have I heard this before……

The World Health Organization (WHO) is recommending that people in China wear masks, socially distance and stay home if they’re unwell, as cases of an ‘undiagnosed pneumonia’ has been detected in hospitals in Beijing and Liaoning – located roughly 500 miles northeast of the capital.

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November 25, 2023 7:59pm
Gulag1917

To date, the IDF has killed 44 journalists and 88 UN Peacekeepers. To date, Israel has deployed some 500,000 soldiers to kill 25,000 Hamas members – and failed miserably. Instead, babies, children, animals, and women make up the vast majority of those killed..
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November 25, 2023 8:41pm
- David Garrett
  
  Gulag: Assuming your stats are correct (a source please) exactly what do you suggest the Israelis do in response to rockets fired indiscriminately from Gaza into Israel?
  
  And if you are a regular here you will know I am very much NOT an “Israel right or wrong” guy. The Palestinian problem is hopelessly complex, and has been for well over 100 years.
  
  I myself don’t think there IS a solution….the much vaunted “two state solution” has been proposed for at least 100 years….and always rejected, usually by the Palestinians and other Arabs.
  
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  November 25, 2023 8:59pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    Why do you say the Palestinians are firing rockets “indiscriminately”? This maybe a nitpick but wouldn’t the correct term be “inaccurately”?
    The Palestinians can’t be firing indiscriminately (as in without discrimination) and also firing them into Israel because they can clearly discriminate between Israel and not Israel. Indiscriminate fire would hit any point of the compass at random.
    Do you use that term because of the connotation? Indiscriminate fire sounds like the work of a madman, inaccurate fire doesn’t sound very dangerous.
    What level of accuracy is considered legitimate and who decides?
    
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    November 25, 2023 9:38pm
    - Colville
      
      If they are firing a device that is so prone to targeting failure it’s close to random, isn’t that indiscriminate?
      
      They did blow up their own hospital…!
      
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      November 25, 2023 10:04pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        No it’s not. People at war equip themselves with the best weapons they can get, why wouldn’t you?
        A truly indiscriminate Palestinian weapon fired from Gaza would be just as likely to kill Palestinians as Israelis. More likely in fact because the Palestinians are closer.
        The term “indiscriminate” is totally misapplied if not outright propaganda. Similar to western media accusing Russians of “indiscriminately” bombing Syrian rebels or Ukrainians. If that was the case, then why would the Russians even put targeting computers on their aircraft or sights on their guns?
        It makes no sense at all.
        
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        November 25, 2023 10:30pm
  - Gulag1917
    
    David, there are several sources on the internet.
    https://www.crikey.com.au/2023/11/24/journalists-killed-in-gaza-israel-hamas-palestine/
    
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