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mikenmildagain

Celebrating today 60 years since the first broadcast of Dr Who:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=o_5X3K8dFQ0
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November 23, 2023 8:00am
- Michael Sommerville
  
  Nah, celebrating MY birthday today.
  
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  November 23, 2023 8:02am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Happy Birthday. Were you a Dalek in another life?
    
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    November 23, 2023 8:49am
    - Michael Sommerville
      
      Nah. Very normal. 😉
      
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      November 23, 2023 8:59am
      - Biscuit
        
        HB, Michael.
        
        But a quibble – there are no gradations of normal – you’re either normal or you’re not, heh.
        
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        November 23, 2023 9:30am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Why be happy when you can be normal
        
        Hat tip to Jeanette Winterson’s mother
        
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        November 23, 2023 10:13am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      “EXTERMINATE!”
      
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      November 23, 2023 9:02am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Loddenthinks – here’s a terrible reminder of how racist the Daleks were. Pakistani Daleks courtesy of Spike Milligan…..
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0n88tZQc4Q&t=3s&pp=ygUQcGFraXN0YW5pIGRhbGVrcw%3D%3D
        
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        November 23, 2023 9:24am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Resistance is futile
        
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        November 23, 2023 10:15am
  - David Garrett
    
    Michael: Happy birthday Sir…you are a member of a very exclusive club here: the 5% of commenters who are happy to use their own names.
    
    Enjoy your day.
    
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    November 23, 2023 9:11am
    - Deane Jessep
      
      Hear hear! Bet the down ticker doesn’t use their own name!
      
      Happy Birthday Michael.
      
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      November 23, 2023 10:03am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Bet the users of their actual names don’t use them. Is that irony?
        
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        November 23, 2023 2:18pm
    - lifesgood
      
      I’d love to use my own name. My problem is there are too many ardent leftists in the family and gatherings can be fraught. I choose to keep my peace…most of the time. Man oh man, if they only knew what I write here my life wouldn’t be worth living. This blog is a wonderful safety valve for me.
      
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      November 23, 2023 10:56am
    - Flossie
      
      Some of us have excellent reasons for not using our names.
      
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      November 23, 2023 12:20pm
      - Deane Jessep
        
        If you want to be anonymous, you have your reasons and they’re none of my business.
        
        I prefer the freedom of everyone knowing me warts and all.
        
        What we have in common is that I have excellent reasons for that position.
        
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        November 23, 2023 10:56pm
- Inandout
  
  m&m, Top Gear has slowly crashed and burned since losing the 3 Amigos and likewise I can’t see Dr Who surviving since their descent into wokeland.
  
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  November 23, 2023 8:06am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    The only reason Top Gear is being ditched is that insurance has become unsustainable:
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/301013637/top-gear-insurance-costs-unsustainable-after-andrew-flintoff-crash
    
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    November 23, 2023 8:47am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Tony
      Another view is that the show was no longer popular enough to afford insurance .
      Its lost a lot of viewers since Clarkson, Hamster, and Captain Slow were on screen.
      
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      November 23, 2023 9:08am
    - Inandout
      
      TS, also I think their viewership has declined and has not reached the peak of Clarkson & Co.
      https://www.thesun.co.uk/tv/18793793/top-gear-viewers-switch-off-after-just-one-episode-of-latest-series-demanding-bbc-axes-show-for-good/
      
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      November 23, 2023 9:17am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Inandout – here’s a little ‘unwoke’ to brighten your day.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0n88tZQc4Q&t=3s&pp=ygUQcGFraXN0YW5pIGRhbGVrcw%3D%3D
    
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    November 23, 2023 9:25am
    - Inandout
      
      CM, yes hilarious and one of many by Spike. I remember the episode of all the Pakistanis falling through the ceiling into the lounge and the Irish field race. He was so brilliantly
      funny he couldn’t cope very well in his private life.
      
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      November 23, 2023 10:21am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Here is some more laughable leftwing BS so desperate are they to create the evidence that supports their conclusions lol. The BBC how thoroughly compromised it is. TV1 and RNZ us it as their go to news source and wonder why few people trust them anymore.https://www.eugyppius.com/p/bbc-declares-black-women-most-likely?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=268621&post_id=139073994&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=yd49g&utm_medium=email
      
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      November 23, 2023 10:22am
      - Swifty
        
        Good grief.
        
        That’s very bad science.
        
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        November 23, 2023 11:32am
      - fernglas
        
        I should point out that the article also ran in DW, the Daily Mail and the Guardian as well as the BBC.
        
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        November 23, 2023 5:09pm
  - Deane Jessep
    
    It will be interesting to see, the theory is it was the writing. I still feel sad for Jody Whittaker, she’s a terrific actress badly underserved by hollow, vacuous identitarian writing, characteristics before plot resulting in no character.
    
    Russell T Davies is back this year writing and David Tenant has already put in some effort for a hand over skit. It’s a little weak, but still funny, and kind of in the spirit of Spike Milligan, hopefully a sign of positive things to come.
    https://youtu.be/-AkP0cBxUnQ?si=zQ2jSjGrnIhoCXZb
    
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    November 23, 2023 10:09am
- Biscuit
  
  Did those fearsome Daleks ever learn how to cope with stairs?
  
  ‘Exterminate! Exterminate! Oh, f*ck, there’s no ramp!’
  
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  November 23, 2023 8:08am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    Work Safe are on it.
    
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    November 23, 2023 8:09am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Daleks invented Elevators. Senior Dalek Mr Otis designed it. Everyone knows that.
    Then came travelators so they did not have to wait.
    
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    November 23, 2023 8:10am
    - rouppe
      
      Except travelators are infested with retards who stand still and block others using them properly
      
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      November 23, 2023 8:28am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I am one of them! If people are in such a hurry they should get their lazy arses of of bed 10 minutes earlier.
        
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        November 23, 2023 8:52am
      - rouppe
        
        A travelator is supposed to lessen transition time by adding together walking speed and travelators speed.
        
        If you’re too lazy to walk at all, get golf cart.
        
        It’s all perspective, isn’t it.
        
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        November 23, 2023 9:03am
      - RRM
        
        Opinion rejected. Hip has been sore for week. Walking up stairs hurts like hell. I’m not going to put myself thru that walking up the travelator to save some jerk 7 seconds.
        
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        November 23, 2023 9:33am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        As RRM says, what the fuck is so important you have to save 7 seconds?
        Get you lazy arse out of bed earlier and relax on the travelator.
        
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        November 23, 2023 9:43am
      - rouppe
        
        First you say 10 minutes. Then you say 7 seconds. Which is it?
        
        By the time you walk from one end of Changi to the other, it’s 10-15 minutes.
        
        If you’re injured or otherwise too infirm to walk, get a golf cart. That’s what they’re there for.
        
        Travelators are there to improve transition time for the able bodied. I’m not the lazy one standing in the way. You aren’t so important as to hold everyone else up.
        
        At the very least don’t block the thing or don’t complain if I walk over the top of you. Which I will.
        
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        November 23, 2023 11:36am
      - sirknz
        
        If you’re standing still on a travelator or escalator, stand on the same side as the people drive in the country you are in.
        
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        November 23, 2023 11:58am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I stand in the middle with both arms on the hips.
        They say “excuse me”
        I say “yes you are excused” and don’t move. Fuck them!
        
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        November 23, 2023 4:50pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I think in later series they were shown as being able to levitate.
    
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    November 23, 2023 8:11am
    - graham
      
      Yes. Billie Piper ran up some stairs, thought she was safe, then … oh bugger.
      
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      November 23, 2023 8:26am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        I had that exact dream myself. Well, Billie Piper was in it, anyhow
        
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        November 23, 2023 9:04am
- What's the Frequency, Kenneth?
  
  60 Years since JFK was shot.
  (about an hour ago, international dateline and all that)
  
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  November 23, 2023 8:51am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Interesting article by Paul Gregory whose family knew the Oswalds
    ‘My involvement with Lee and Marina Oswald began in June 1962. I saw them last as they ran to catch the Fort Worth to Dallas bus on Nov. 22, 1962. A year later, my father translated for Marina from Nov. 24 to 28 as the Secret Service probed her knowledge of a conspiracy.’
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/jfk-assassination-60-years-later-we-know-truth-about-real-killer
    
    Trivia factoid- Woody Harrelsons’ father has claimed that he was one of those (supposedly) on the grassy knoll.
    It is true that his father was a Contract Killer with mob affiliations and is in jail for various murders.
    
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    November 23, 2023 9:04am
    - KH
      
      How is that remotely interesting Red ?
      
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      November 23, 2023 3:39pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Duh
        Oswald shot Kennedy and its additional background from someone who knew Oswald.
        Your arse still hurt after been shown up as a fool who follows a Russian propaganda site!
        So funny
        
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        November 23, 2023 4:19pm
      - KH
        
        Who knew. People actually knew Oswald ! thanks for revealing that.
        
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        November 23, 2023 4:43pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Kenneth: I had forgotten the impending date. Amazing there was nothing in the MSM about it.
    
    Talking of presidential assassinations, I am amazed that Obama survived not one but TWO terms. There must have been dozens of racist southern rednecks whose blood was boiling at the very thought of a black President.
    
    I thought by now there would have been a book listing all the attempts blocked by the Secret Service. I guess there will be in time…serving officers are probably precluded from publishing anything.
    
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    November 23, 2023 9:21am
    - What's the Frequency, Kenneth?
      
      It could be that ‘murca just isn’t as racist as some people would have us believe…
      
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      November 23, 2023 9:31am
    - Ghost
      
      https://www.ranker.com/list/president-obama-assassination-attempts/mike-rothschild
      
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      November 23, 2023 9:39am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Obama is currently serving his third Term.
      I mean, you don’t think Biden is running the Country do you?
      
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      November 23, 2023 9:49am
      - KH
        
        Conspiracy theory there Red
        
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        November 23, 2023 3:35pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Heh. my tongue was firmly in cheek, but have a look at the people in Bidens office.
        They are all Obamas ex staff.
        What does Stormfront have to say about it?
        Obama is one of the lizard people?
        
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        November 23, 2023 5:12pm
    - reubee
      
      Always interesting the choice of label that is projected onto a half-caste person.
      
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      November 23, 2023 11:42am
  - Steve Todd
    
    Yes. JFK was shot at 12:30PM on Friday 22 November 1963, being 6:30AM on Saturday 23 in New Zealand. So, the 60th anniversary was at 7:30AM this morning, NZST.
    
    (Daylight Saving Time did not start in New Zealand until Sunday 3 November 1974. This fact was overlooked in the Oliver Stone movie, JFK, when the Donald Sutherland character was talking about the Christchurch Star’s coverage of the event, i.e., the edition that was published in the early afternoon of Saturday 23 November.)
    
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    November 23, 2023 9:23am
  - Grunter
    
    A new doco just out – “Four Died Trying”
    Has anyone watched it? Sounds interesting enough but haven’t seen it myself yet.
    
    https://www.dexerto.com/tv-movies/what-is-four-died-trying-about-documentary-explained-2385176/
    
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    November 23, 2023 11:07am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Yesterday was the 60th anniversary of the assassination of JFK. It was said you remember where you were when you heard about it. It was Saturday morning in NZ and I had just got up to make my Mum and Dad breakfast ( as I usually did on the weekends). I turned on the radio and heard the news. A couple of days latter Lee Harvey Oswald was killed by Jack Ruby. Although never proved the prime suspects were either the Mob who JFK was going after or the CIA.
  
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  November 23, 2023 9:08am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    To me it was the first incident of the Democrats eating their own.
    They did not like where JFK was heading and did not like him stopping their corruption. The birth of the swamp!
    
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    November 23, 2023 9:18am
  - David Garrett
    
    lastman: I have not read widely on the matter, but I have never thought much of the CIA theory, although I guess it’s possible.
    
    The Mob is a much better suspect, particularly since Ruby was apparently “connected”. The argument that he took Oswald out because he – Ruby – was a devastated JFK supporter is obviously total crap. Oswald obviously had to be silenced for whatever reason.
    
    I would be interested in the opinion of anyone here who has closely studied the matter.
    
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    November 23, 2023 9:26am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      The mob and the CIA worked hand in hand on many issues. Plenty of evidence of this is acknowledged by US government sources from the time.
      
      A fascinating book on the subject is ‘Brothers’.
      
      https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/524654
      
      The CIA, mafia and Cuban exiles never forgave him for not intervening in the Bay of Pigs fiasco.
      
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      November 23, 2023 9:36am
      - Stellaboxer
        
        A really good movie on the subject is Executive Action 1973. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Action_(film)
        
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        November 23, 2023 10:39am
    - What's the Frequency, Kenneth?
      
      Its a gordian knot DG.
      if you dismiss the speculation and conjecture from the 70’s on and look at evidence from the day, the contradictions are no less difficult to reconcile.
      
      Probably a rabbit hole you don’t want to go down 😉
      
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      November 23, 2023 9:41am
    - Steve Todd
      
      David, I learnt four years ago, that discussing the JFK assassination, here, is an exercise in futility.
      
      If you have the time over the next year or two, you could do worse than read three excellent books on the subject. They are—
      
      JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why it Matters, by James W. Douglass (2008), 518 pages—
      
      Destiny Betrayed, Second Edition, by James DiEugenio (2012), 474 pages, and—
      
      Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy, Revised and Updated, by Jim Marrs (2013), 612 pages.
      
      I reproduce some extracts from the last two pages of text of Crossfire, pages 554 and 555—
      
      JFK’s secretary, Evelyn Lincoln, who was closer to him than anyone, wrote in a 1994 letter, “it is my belief that there was a conspiracy….These five conspirators, in my opinion, were Lyndon B. Johnson, J. Edgar Hoover, the Mafia, the CIA and the Cubans in Florida.”
      
      “Robert Kennedy also came to understand the tremendous power behind the events in Dallas. On June 3, 1968, just two days before his own assassination, the younger Kennedy told close friends, ‘I now fully realize that only the powers of the presidency will reveal the secrets of my brother’s death.’
      
      “He obviously had come to realize that the truth of John Kennedy’s death could come only after Robert Kennedy gained control over the FBI, CIA, Secret Service, and the Pentagon—all of which had become powers unto themselves.
      
      “Surely no one believes it was sheer coincidence that the younger Kennedy was gunned down the very night he received the 1968 California Democratic nomination for president, which most probably would have clinched his national nomination.”
      
      Marrs then suggests that the assassination of Julius Caesar was “an apt precedent”. His final sentence is, “One can still hear the sad spirit of John F. Kennedy echoing from Dealey Plaza: Et tu, Lyndon?”
      
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      November 23, 2023 10:44am
      - What's the Frequency, Kenneth?
        
        For a bit of balance, Historian William Manchester’s Death of a President, written in 1967 is well worth a look.
        
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        November 23, 2023 11:51am
    - Inandout
      
      DG, I doubt there is any other subject on the internet that has more interest and theories.
      https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/release2022
      
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      November 23, 2023 10:56am
      - What's the Frequency, Kenneth?
        
        Something tells me it’d be a distant 3rd -at best- to P*rnhub and OnlyFans… 😐
        
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        November 23, 2023 12:02pm
    - Zapper
      
      DG – I have read widely on the subject, mostly conspiracy books, and Case Closed by Gerald Posner. I am 100% certain Oswald killed JFK and there is no evidence he didn’t act alone. Highly recommend the book.
      
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      November 23, 2023 1:51pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Yes, you extolled Case Closed, by Gerald Posner, four years ago, Zapper. You were wrong then, and you’re wrong now. It is one of the worst books ever written about the JFK assassination. See: https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/gerald-posner-vs-oliver-stone-s-jfk-revisited, for a devastating take-down of the book and its author.
        
        See also Martin Hay’s 5-part review / destruction of Case Closed, starting here: https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/case-closed-30-years-on-even-worse.
        
        Furthermore, Lee Harvey Oswald was not even on the Sixth Floor at the time, nor did he fire a rifle that day. (He did not test positive for gunpowder residue.)
        
        The FBI constructed a case against Oswald to fit the official view, formed within hours of the assassination, that Oswald was the lone gunman. As he said himself, he was a patsy.
        
        This article sets out what Oswald would have needed to do, to have been JFK’s assassin, and therefore, why he almost certainly wasn’t the shooter, lone or otherwise: https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/oswald-on-november-22-1963.
        
        And, for those who may not be familiar with the Warren Commission Report, this article sets out 63 reasons as to why the Commissioners got it wrong.
        
        “On its 50th Anniversary: Why the Warren Report Today is Inoperative, In Five ‘Plaques’.”
        https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/279.
        
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        November 23, 2023 2:42pm
  - MCōs
    
    I think it was his brother Robert who was going after the mob.
    And both of them were going after Marilyn Monroe
    
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    November 23, 2023 9:28am
    - kowtow
      
      yep , if one wants to look for a conspiracy then I reckon the mafia being the people who helped JFK beat Nixon were really pissed off that he then ‘betrayed’ them by allowing RFK to try and create a name for himself by going after the very people who won it for them.
      
      “if “.
      
      or perhaps it is as simple as LHO having a gripe and being a good/lucky shot.
      
      We’ll never know.
      
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      November 23, 2023 9:46am
    - Steve Todd
      
      Your second sentence is nonsense, MCōs.
      
      Donald Spoto put all that garbage to rest in his 1993 book, Marilyn Monroe: The Biography. See also, here:
      https://marilynfromthe22ndrow.com/wp/main-text-a/the-kennedy-brothers/.
      
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      November 23, 2023 9:51am
      - Steve Todd
        
        I should add: For those interested, once you’ve read the intro at the link, click on each of the six photographs for much more commentary on this aspect of Marilyn’s life.
        
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        November 23, 2023 11:46am
  - Ghost
    
    No, today is. Kennedy was shot on the 22nd in the USA, it was the 23rd in NZ
    
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    November 23, 2023 9:40am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      But we typically don’t make that adjustment for events and anniversaries. For example, tomorrow is Evolution Day, commemorating the anniversary of the publication of On the Origin of Species by Charles Darwin on 24 November 1859.
      But we wouldn’t delay any NZ celebrations until Saturday just because it was still Friday here.
      
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      November 23, 2023 10:25am
      - Ghost
        
        Hate to disappoint you but we don’t adjust the time a person dies in each country so it falls on the same day. Kennedy was assassinated on the 23rd of November NZ time.
        
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        November 23, 2023 10:38am
      - Ghost
        
        Btw Mike, perhaps you can tell us, what was the day and time in New Zealand when JFK was assassinated?
        
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        November 23, 2023 10:53am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Ghost
        MCos already provided that.
        On your date theory, we would have Xmas dinner on 26 December.
        
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        November 23, 2023 11:07am
      - Ghost
        
        Come on Mike, tell us what was the day and time in N.Z.that jfk was assassinated. It’s not that hard if you aren’t that smart you can google it
        
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        November 23, 2023 11:08am
    - reubee
      
      On that basis, do you refer to 12/9 and not 9/11 ?
      
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      November 23, 2023 11:38am
      - Ghost
        
        Sorry but it’s a fact in nz jfk was killed on the 23rd. We may remember the event on the day before, but as I said in my original post for us in NZ he died today. We may remember 9/11 on that day but on the 12th is when Americans in NZ that I know get up and watch the memorials back home.
        
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        November 23, 2023 12:45pm
  - Sparrow
    
    It’s funny most people around at the time remember even today where they were when JFK was killed. I was a 20 year old staying at the Calcutta Seaman’s Club with my brand new 2nd Mates ticket in my pocket waiting to join a ship. They had a memorial service the next day in the grounds. 60 years ago how time flies a different world today
    
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    November 23, 2023 10:29am
    - MCōs
      
      I was a boarder at St Bedes
      One of the priests made an announcement in the dining room
      What a shock particularly as Kennedy was a catholic. I think he might have been the first catholic president and there was a certain amount of prejudice against his being elected on that account. Or so we were led to believe.
      
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      November 23, 2023 11:48am
Opie

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/lawyer-s-comments-about-judge-land-him-before-tribunal/

He’s not wrong though, as anyone who has been through the system can attest.
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November 23, 2023 8:01am
- I remember when
  
  he is facing charges of disgraceful conduct.
  When did telling the truth have anything to do with it?
  The male versus female argument has long been considered a problem in the Family Court.
  Perhaps, that is what they should be investigating.
  
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  November 23, 2023 9:04am
- RoboRob
  
  I believe he is probably right.
  
  “There are plenty of women’s groups who claim the reverse,” a member of the tribunal said in response. I think this goes to prove the mans point, that someone in the system could possibly think that the family court might be biased against woman says a lot.
  
  Question, because NZ journalism is so good, what does the line ‘The tribunal reserved its decision on liability.’ tell us?
  
  Did the tribunal decide for or against the man in the first place?
  
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  November 23, 2023 9:16am
  - David Garrett
    
    Robo: the fact that the decision was reserved simply means that the members of the Tribunal wish to take time to think about it. That is very common.
    
    God I feel for this guy though…and give thanks that my own brush with the Family Court was largely painless, and that the lawyer representing my ex-wife was professional and really did have the best interests of the kids in mind.
    
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    November 23, 2023 9:36am
    - RoboRob
      
      Lol, sorry misreaded it as reversed rather than reserved. Oops
      
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      November 23, 2023 10:23am
  - alex Masterley
    
    The LCDT generally reserves its decision on charges laid against practitioners after a hearing.
    It doesnt do off the cuff decisions.
    Having looked at the reportage it seems that the tribunal will be wrestling with the same issues it faced when the Sue Gray matter came before it. That in itself is a good reason for the LCDT to reserve its decision and produce a considered decision as to liability.
    
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    November 23, 2023 9:39am
- Libertarians are right
  
  When did he make the comments? They don’t say in the article. I note that as of some point last year he wasn’t even a practising lawyer any more.
  
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  November 23, 2023 9:44am
Chris Nisbet

What are the odds the explosion on the bridge between Canada and the USA involves an EV?
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November 23, 2023 8:05am
- Inandout
  
  CN. Electric Terrorism?
  
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  November 23, 2023 8:08am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Much as I despise EVs it’s more likely to be a terrorist bomb.
  
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  November 23, 2023 8:23am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Eye witness described vehicle as either a Chrysler or a Bentley doing more than 100 mph swerving past another car and hit a wall and exploded.
  
  This article says it was a terror attack, two people dead.
  
  https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/breaking-niagara-falls-explosion-blast-31421647
  
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  November 23, 2023 8:24am
  - rouppe
    
    If be very surprised if someone chose a Bentley to do a terror attack
    
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    November 23, 2023 8:53am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Even a terrorist would want a reliable car.
      
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      November 23, 2023 8:57am
      - Chris Nisbet
        
        Or an EV. Guaranteed to catch on fire!
        
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        November 23, 2023 9:25am
      - jedmo
        
        In which case they’d use a Toyota, definitely not a Bentley or hahaha a a Chrysler.
        
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        November 23, 2023 10:55am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Stolen?
      
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      November 23, 2023 9:19am
      - kowtow
        
        Hired.
        
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        November 23, 2023 9:25am
  - Keith White
    
    “Last week, FBI Director Christopher Wray testified before Congress about the terrorist threat to the homeland.
    
    “On cue, we have a terrorist incident at the US-Canadian border. How many items that TPTB would like to knock off the top of the news does this get?
    
    “Slow Joe’s rapid decline? Government illegally spying on its citizens–again/still? The shiteshow at the southern border? Check, check and check.
    
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    November 23, 2023 10:21am
- alex Masterley
  
  Local reporting suggests that it was a terrorist incident.
  another car is being sought.
  
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  November 23, 2023 8:30am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Rumor it was an old Celica with over 200k on the clock.
  
  Shit happens 😀
  
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  November 23, 2023 8:38am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    My Celica is intact in the garage, with 300k on the clock. Nothing old about it. I expect it will outlive me.
    
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    November 23, 2023 8:57am
    - David Garrett
      
      Bene: Anything with “Toyota” on the side will run until the engine falls out because of body rust.
      
      When I was a student I drove a (manual) Toyota Corolla taxi with over 500K on the clock. Although there were protests from the transmission every time I changed gear it just kept on trucking.
      
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      November 23, 2023 9:38am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Maintenance is important. Oil change every 8,000 km. Transmission fluid change every 40,000 km. A good sign is that it does not burn oil.
        
        Also a lot of my miles have been on open highways. Much less wearing than stop-start city traffic.
        
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        November 23, 2023 9:50am
      - NothingLeft
        
        Changing oil at that frequency – every 1-200 hours of engine running – is pretty extreme (speaking as an ex-car engine developer). But not a big cost if you do it yourself (easy enough). Doing it at several times that interval is sufficient (it’s only done due to slow acidification of oil by moisture that uses up detergent additives that react with the acids to neutralise them). If your rings are still sealing well it’s less of an issue than when the car is new and not run-in
        
        At 300k km I’d be doing reactive maintenance only.
        
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        November 23, 2023 9:58am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “At 300k km I’d be doing reactive maintenance only.”
        
        Thanks for that. I had assumed that with an 22 year old vehicle, proactive maintenance was important.
        
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        November 23, 2023 11:20am
      - Taieri
        
        Changing oil at that frequency – every 1-200 hours of engine running – is pretty extreme (speaking as an ex-car engine developer)
        ————-
        
        Changing engine oil at 250 hours is very much standard practice stipulated by among others, Caterpillar, Mercedes, Scania and many other engine manufacturers. The alternative is to analyse oil in the lab, which is time consuming, expensive and not practical with small wet-sump type of engines.
        
        it’s only done due to slow acidification of oil by moisture that uses up detergent additives that react with the acids to neutralise them
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        It is also done to remove contaminants such as carbon and all other shite that accumulates in the engine and to retain lubricating properties of oil. Ever wondered why used oil is black? And why larger engines use centrifugal filters and oil purifiers?
        
        I’m not a former car engine developer. Just an old marine chief engineer with 49 years of experience with IC engines of various powers and sizes, from small car-type to 40000+ kW.
        
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        November 23, 2023 2:13pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        Tiaeri:
        
        Car manufacturers and industrial engine manufacturers have a vested interest in over-specifying maintenance because they and their licensees and stealerships, make a shit load of easy money out of soaking mugs for regular servicing fees and it maybe microscopically reduces warrantee claims. Doesn’t mean it makes economic sense. Many car and engine makers make bulk of their money out of spares, servicing and repairs, the initial product is just a loss-leader to hook costumers into the highly profitable meat of their business..
        
        There is a world of difference between the high specific output heavy diesels that frequently run 50-70% of maximum output all the time and car engines that average ~10-20% max output. Diesels have very high bearing and fuel pump loads nearly all the time, car petrol engines see high loads for far less than 1% of time.
        
        And for particulates we have oil filters to keep debris of above critical hydrodynamic oil film thickness out of the bearings. Oil going black is not the reason we need to change oil – its the moist ring blow-by consuming detergents.
        
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        November 23, 2023 11:03pm
- cmm
  
  More likely these Stop Oil fuckwits.
  
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  November 23, 2023 8:45am
  - I remember when
    
    ‘Stop Oil’:
    A group that thinks all of our power sources should be electric.
    It not like this eventuality will lead to the potential for massive outages in the future!
    ‘Stop Oil’ help the world come to a standstill!
    
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    November 23, 2023 9:10am
    - kowtow
      
      stop oil !
      
      If they want max publicity they should do a sit in at the Rafah crossing to stop all that planet destroying diesel going in to pollute Gaza .
      
      preferably on the jihadi controlled side.
      
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      November 23, 2023 9:54am
  - kowtow
    
    No they’d have cycled up to the booth on a bamboo bicycle .
    
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    November 23, 2023 9:15am
- Keith White
  
  Lithium-filled batteries burn with serious intensity, gasoline-filled tanks explode with serious purpose.
  
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  November 23, 2023 10:08am
  - Lance
    
    Small correction:
    Lithium Ion or Lithium Polymer batteries burn with seriouls intensity.
    Other Lithium battery chemistries do not, such as Lithium Ferric Phosphate and Lithium Titanate Oxide.
    Alas these safer versions are not used in cars as their energy densities are lower.
    
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    November 23, 2023 11:14am
    - Keith White
      
      Thank you Lance
      
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      November 23, 2023 12:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Dottery old fool Jim Bolger was tricked into a question this morning.
He was asked about the Treaty referendum, and he answered about the Treaty referendum. It is a proposed referendum on the Principles of the Treaty.
Jenny Mae Clackson was never challenged on that loaded question. I doubt Bolger knows this.
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November 23, 2023 8:07am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  Tova finds the fool originally responsible for the “Principles” division and polarisation.
  
  “We want to live in peace and stability in New Zealand. We don’t want to have division. Because when you have division and polarisation, you get the situation that arose in Trump’s United States.”
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/301013532/tova-podcast-is-today-the-day-and-why-we-should-all-care-about-the-coalition-sticking-points
  
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  November 23, 2023 8:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Tova the terrible did not expand on Geoffrey Palmer.
    He is the prick who does not want division, but he introduced 5 Principles with no meaning and no conclusion. A grade hypocrite.
    
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    November 23, 2023 9:10am
    - Cassandra
      
      Palmer didn’t even define the Principles at first. They put it into legislation to appease Koro Wetere and Robin Cooke did it for them, opening the door for more creative judges and Treaty activists to write their fiction. Palmer assured the Cabinet members involved that adding a principles clause would have no practical effect. Treaty and constitutional expert my foot!
      
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      November 23, 2023 9:49am
      - David Garrett
        
        Cass: I wrote my comment before I saw yours. You are quite correct – including the comment about Palmer being a fool!
        
        By chance, he was my MP in 1986 when the Lange government did the deal letting Mafart and Prieur out of jail after their conviction for the manslaughter of Fernando Pereira. I went to see him, and told him that if they let them go to a Pacific Island they would be back in France in 18 months.
        
        He drew himself up to his full height and in his full professorial voice told me that I clearly had no understanding of international law. As it turned out, I was spot on – he and his co-conspirator were back in France 14 months after their release.
        
        That case established the precedent that if you have enough power and influence you can buy your way out of a New Zealand jail.
        
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        November 23, 2023 10:58am
    - David Garrett
      
      Steve O:
      As I have said dozens of times before, it was the Court of Appeal who came up with the “principles”, not Palmer.
      
      However he is indirectly responsible because it was he who inserted s.9 of the State owned Enterprises Act which said “Nothing in this Act shall be contrary to the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi”. At that time there were no “principles”
      
      When asked what that meant by the Lange cabinet – which included at least two lawyers in addition to Palmer – what that sentence meant he replied it was “meaningless window dressing”. I understand that subsequently he has claimed he knew exactly what he was doing all along, but I doubt it.
      
      Palmer is the biggest fool in New Zealand legal circles. I am astounded that he is still quoted with respect.
      
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      November 23, 2023 10:50am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Palmer was the Attorney General. He ‘introduced’ the Principles. I have always said he ‘introduced’ them. So yes, Palmer did not come up with the Principles.
        
        https://issuu.com/esisite/docs/3481_jb_-_go-governance_-_a5_booklet_-_online
        Page 17.
        
        Hobson’s Pledge:
        https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Treaty-Principles.pdf
        
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        November 23, 2023 11:17am
  - I remember when
    
    So the media, who at the time largely supported the introduction of MMP, now fail to understand the consequences.
    The present three-headed outcome is what we were lead to believe MMP governments would look like.
    However, for some reason, the media now see all sorts of apparently insurmountable problems in such a government.
    
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    November 23, 2023 9:18am
    - MCōs
      
      You mean the people who work in the media, surely.
      Apart from that, we’re all smarter than them aren’t we!
      
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      November 23, 2023 12:48pm
  - Swifty
    
    “We want to live in peace and stability in New Zealand. We don’t want to have division. Because when you have division and polarisation, you get the situation that arose in Trump’s United States.”
    
    Well then, best Labour, the Greens, academia and the Maori elite stop creating exactly that division through their relentless policies specifically designed to divide us all by race then shouldn’t they?
    
    FFS. It’s not hard.
    
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    November 23, 2023 9:54am
    - Keith White
      
      It’s too hard for Tova, but then so is most of reality in Tovanistan.
      
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      November 23, 2023 10:09am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Trump is responsible for division and polarisation in the US?
      You got the wrong person. Democrats have been doing this for decades!
      Read “Blackout” by Candace Owens. Black Americans are leaving the Plantation and the Dems can’t use them or their vote anymore.
      Trump 2024.
      
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      November 23, 2023 11:05am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Try this to see who is dividing USA.
        
        https://rumble.com/v3x80jg-msm-and-democrat-rhetoric-are-moving-beyond-dangerous-existential-threat.html
        
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        November 23, 2023 11:28am
Simon

BREAKING! National led govt not doing enough to solve homelessness and is likely to be making things worse. 3000% rise in homelessness in some areas over the last 3 months reports indicate. Talbot Mills poll shows overwhelming concern about National’s lack of direction. Top academic says Luxon’s corporate background is causing homelessness. Expert states that her multiyear funding to study homelessness, established by the pervious govt, has been cut by National shows how out of touch the current govt are with the issue. BREAKING!!
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November 23, 2023 8:07am
- cmm
  
  There isn’t a National-led government yet.
  Hipkins is still PM.
  
  ” Top academic ” code for Leftie activist.
  
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  November 23, 2023 8:47am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Good troll, Simon
  
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  November 23, 2023 8:51am
- mandk
  
  Fact check: After National left government in 2017, the priority waiting list for state housing grew five-fold.
  
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  November 23, 2023 8:52am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    That only happened because the general population of aotearoa could suddenly see how much aroha and kindness started dripping out the new Ardern-led government
    
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    November 23, 2023 9:59am
- Observer of Life
  
  Simon: Lol.. you forgot the //
  
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  November 23, 2023 9:23am
- NothingLeft
  
  Accurate. MSM operatives filing your creative writing exercise away to form basis for hundreds of articles they’ll begin publishing next week
  
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  November 23, 2023 10:06am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Tucker hammers Media Matters.
(videos)

https://www.rvmnews.com/2023/11/tucker-hammers-soros-funded-media-matters-go-fk-yourself-videos/?
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November 23, 2023 8:21am
RRM

South Wairarapa District Council:

Splendid news, comrades! We have decided we will have a Māori ward!

https://swdc.govt.nz/news/south-wairarapa-district-council-votes-to-establish-maori-ward/
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November 23, 2023 8:23am
- Swifty
  
  “ Involvement will enhance, enrich, and improve outcomes sought by the Council and desired by us all.”
  
  Here’s a thought.
  
  Ask the Council to now put in place the means and mechanisms required to report on this – so that in 1, 5, 10 years they can uniquely identify the difference the Maori Ward, and having automatic Maori representation on the Council, did in fact make.
  
  I guarantee the answer will be “Oh no, we can’t do that. There are so many variables in play here that it would be impossible to identify the effects of this Maori representation uniquely. Also, we would have no control group to measure against.”
  
  And I would agree with them. There will be no way to tell whether this change led to better outcomes or worse.
  
  But look at what they claim. “enhance, enrich and improve outcomes sought by the Council.”
  
  How will they know if it worked? The answer is they can’t and they know it.
  
  Unfortunately for the good people of South Wairarapa if the outcomes become poorer as a result of this they won’t know. If in fact Council outcomes take longer to be realised, are realised in lower amounts, cost ratepayers a lot more, add extra risk etc etc – no one will be able to tell.
  
  Welcome to our brave new world. Where our supposed leaders can just make any wild claim and then just get away with it.
  
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  November 23, 2023 9:38am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Object and you are branded ‘racist.’
    That’s the way the cookie crumbles.
    
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    November 23, 2023 10:19am
    - JerJer
      
      The Maori wards, are like KFC Hot n Spicy. Only here for a limited time. They are to be repealed by the incoming govt. It is the policy of all three partners. So, it is going to happen. I suspect (depending on what the rules actually are), any wards added without the opportunity for the rate payers to oppose in a binding referendum will be scrapped at the next local council elections. Council will then be able to propose a racist ward again and it will get voted down like it used to. So, people elected to these wards currently are effectively dead men/women walking.
      
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      November 23, 2023 10:32am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Maori Wards are a way of ‘appointing’ Maori, not electing them. It is racist.
        
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        November 23, 2023 11:40am
- Stellaboxer
  
  They would be better occupied fulfilling their core duties rather than increasing rates by 57% in my case and delivering less services. A thoroughly incompetent council.
  
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  November 23, 2023 9:45am
  - Keith White
    
    “A thoroughly incompetent council.”
    
    Are there even any thoroughly competent councils? I know of none.
    
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    November 23, 2023 10:10am
  - RRM
    
    Yes, it particularly sticks in the craw that Martin Connolly campaigned for mayor on a platform of “We need to end these out-of-control rates rises!” and then his council delivered:
    ● 29% rates rise in 2023
    ● Māori ward, no correspondence will be entered into.
    
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    November 23, 2023 10:52am
oldpark

You may be surprised, but Hamas does not call for only killing Jews and eliminating Israel.

If you are Christian, a member of another religion or even participate in your local Rotary club or the Lions, Hamas also considers you an enemy, too.

“Hamas is using Gaza as an umbrella to be legitimate,” says author and Middle East expert Walid Phares. “The reality is this is a jihadist movement, and it is manifesting itself in America and Canada, and in Western Europe. We have never been at this level of danger for our democratic world.”

The Hamas charter seeks to expand Islam to become the controlling religion across the globe, targeting any non-believer, which includes “Main Street” America.

The terrorist group’s guiding philosophy is detailed in “The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement,” which was adopted on Aug. 18, 1988.

It says that the duty of every Muslim is “Jihad,” that “there is no solution to the Palestinian question except through Jihad,” and says “the Jews will not be pleased with thee, neither the Christians,” until they follow the ways of Hamas.

“Israel is just a thick skin though the rest of the international community that happens to be blocking them,” says Phares, who has written the new book, “Iran, An Imperialistic Republic and U.S. Policy,” that explains how Tehran’s proxies, like Hamas, spread their message of hate.

“They know our society very well. They are here,” he said.

Article 22 of the Hamas charter mentions an unexpected subject of its call for Jihad, the “American as apple pie” business, community and charitable organizations found throughout the nation: Rotary and Lions clubs. Freemasonry is also on its list.As the saying goes .I did nothing because I am not a Jew .Or even a Christian .Once more I did nothing about the threat of Hamas .
Sadly too late I didn’t listen to the warnings .Now they are coming for me .Go Figure.
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November 23, 2023 8:25am
- cmm
  
  Yup.
  
  “Kill the Jews” is just line one on the todo list.
  
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  November 23, 2023 8:49am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Walid Phares is a Grade A crank.
  Actual quote:
  “the triangle Clintonmachine-Iranregime-MuslimBrotherhood has unleashed a coordinated propaganda offensive”
  
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  November 23, 2023 8:55am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Ah, so their perspective on the world is somewhat counter to yours mike.
    
    Fair enough, that would certainly qualify him as a Grade A crank
    
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    November 23, 2023 10:38am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      You are welcome to believe that:
      – Muslims want to take over America and impose Shaia law
      – Obama works for the Muslim Brotherhood
      – Israel should ally with Lebanese Christians to fight the Muslims
      If so, you can count as a crank too.
      
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      November 23, 2023 11:13am
- I remember when
  
  To be fair to Hamas, they are even harder on those of their own religious if they are considered to have sinned.
  No ‘home detention’ for Hamas.
  
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  November 23, 2023 9:23am
  - kowtow
    
    You mean like the people that Amnesty , no less , listed as being tortured and murdered in al Shifa hospital .
    The hospital that the likes of Dr No Borders say has nothing to do with terror ……..
    
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    November 23, 2023 9:50am
  - oldfella
    
    IRW: and their Pride parades are really small… //
    
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    November 23, 2023 10:24am
- Cassandra
  
  They’re possibly right about Rotary (joke, sarc //) but we all need to remember that it’s not just Jews. Ancient Christian communities in North Africa and Asia have been obliterated.
  
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  November 23, 2023 9:54am
- Arthur Fleck
  
  No surprises Freemasonry gets a mention. Initially persecuted by the Catholic Church, it has also been a target of the Nazis and the Commies. But in spite of the fundamentalist intolerance, Freemasonry counts Christians, Jews and Muslims among their membership.
  
  You can always judge a man by the quality of his enemies.
  — Oscar Wilde
  
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  November 23, 2023 10:50am
  - imalwaysright
    
    We accept all religious denominations and all people who believe in a superior being. Who or what that may be is up to the individual.
    The Lodge is quite a calm environment where people interact and speak freely.
    Everyone respects everyone else’s version of their superior being.
    
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    November 23, 2023 12:31pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Oldpark.
  [Mod – comment without the personal jabs]
  
  One radical author does not make anything true!
  
  For a good understanding of the Palestine problem I found this interview very interesting and enlightening.
  
  This Israeli has loads of Creds and talks without all the emotional BS.
  
  Found it interesting that he proved the facts to out the Lie from Hilary Clinton that the Palestinians declined peace settlements. But then Clinton has not been know to peddle the truth. THink her BS on Benghazi and Emails on her server in the basement, amongst other whoppers.
  
  Its an hour interview so I suspect my team of 26 will automatically down tick this comment instead of enlightening themselves.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6QV5p3q_Z8
  
  Daniel Levy is director of the Middle East and North Africa Programme of the European Council on Foreign Relations. He formerly worked as an adviser in Israeli Prime Minister Barak’s office and as an official negotiator and as lead Israeli drafter of the informal Geneva Initiative peace plan
  
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  November 23, 2023 3:38pm
Maggie Pie

Thinking to myself while I was taking Gladys for her walkees this morning down past
Chris and Amanda’s house……
‘Imagine being a Green MP. But in your heart of hearts, you know the only reason you’re actually in parliament, is because you have to rely on the votes of every retarded loser in the country’.

Obviously no self-respect whatoever.
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- mogg
  
  You’re assuming that Green MP’s have some level of self awareness. All I ever see is radical Woke progressive jargon mongers, slavishly copying overseas trends.
  
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  November 23, 2023 2:25pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Lawfare against Trump. 19 Videos on different subjects. 5th one is about voter ID and why the Democrats are against it, because they cheat! Open borders and voter ID is something Trump will fix post 2024.
7th is about Trump’s final battle. He will not get another chance to destroy the Democrats and the Deep State swamp.
They can’t stop him short of assassination. I am sure he is aware.

https://www.rvmnews.com/2023/11/trump-drops-statements-on-lawfare-against-him-this-globalist-monstrosity-19-videos/?
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November 23, 2023 8:43am
Maggie Pie

Really love Corrina Shields….a.k.a Aunty Hehhei
I see her as our very own Katie Hopkins.

Here she is on TikTok tearing that dreadful fijian import Shaneel Lal a new one 😀

https://tiktok.com/@aunty.heihei.4.0/video/7304117427992890626
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November 23, 2023 8:55am
kowtow

Across our legacy media they’re reporting the criminal vandalism , again , against a number of MP’s offices by a group they are calling “tamaki for palestine”

But the legacy media have failed to tell us who are these vandals , basic stuff, surely .
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November 23, 2023 9:01am
- Dougal10
  
  Look like they used left over labour billboard paint.
  
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  November 23, 2023 10:09am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  What makes you think that the group has more than one member?
  
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  November 23, 2023 10:25am
  - kowtow
    
    because it would take about five or 6 of them to work out how to open a can of paint .
    
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    November 23, 2023 11:49am
Maggie Pie

And something else that plays on my mind….

why do so many rich people dress like they’re poor?
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November 23, 2023 9:14am
- kowtow
  
  On a serious note that is quite a philosophical question.
  
  There was a time when ‘fashionable , respectable’ people followed the royal courts for ‘trends’ .
  
  Now they follow what is essentially prisoner or criminal street gang fashion.
  
  Thye’re making a ‘statement’ but what is that statement.
  
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  November 23, 2023 9:21am
- RoboRob
  
  Once you are rich (and famous) enough you no longer need to dress to impress. Some choose to dress as poorly as possible to show they are rich and famous enough.
  
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  November 23, 2023 9:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You mean rugby shorts, tee, and jandals?
  
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  November 23, 2023 9:31am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  Because they spend their money on things that actually matter?
  
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  November 23, 2023 9:43am
  - mawm
    
    More likely they are rich because they keep their money and don’t waste it on expensive designer clothes and bling.
    
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    November 23, 2023 12:56pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Coz they don’t like folks to know that Mummy and Daddy are still supporting them.
  
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  November 23, 2023 9:52am
- NothingLeft
  
  It’s a form of ostentation. A way of distinguishing themselves from the crowd because it doesn’t matter, they can wear whatever they want.
  
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  November 23, 2023 10:10am
- David Garrett
  
  Maggie: The “ripped jeans” fashion has to be the silliest ever. I have told my kids that when their children see photos of them dressed thus they will inevitably say “didn’t granddad have enough money to buy you new clothes?”
  
  Thank God said stupid “fashion” appears to be losing popularity.
  
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  November 23, 2023 11:04am
  - Ian Boag
    
    I have told my kids …
    
    They listen of course 🙂
    
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    November 23, 2023 2:30pm
- mogg
  
  People who are successful are individuals, their wealth has come from trusting their own judgement.
  They don’t need to be seen as being wealthy, so would never copy the latest trends or fashions.
  A well worn Tweed jacket with comfortable stretch fabric Chinos goes unnoticed and will take you anywhere.
  
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  November 23, 2023 2:46pm
- Ra Henare
  
  haha Maggie.
  Because we dont give a shit what people think.
  Its the wannabes that do the dressup thing.
  
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  November 23, 2023 3:42pm
Chuck Bird

I hope that David prioritises a minister of agricuture or climate change ahead of DP.
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November 23, 2023 9:40am
- Swifty
  
  Double penetration?
  
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  November 23, 2023 9:47am
- Benedict Yu
  
  IMO ACT should take on:
  
  – Environment – deal to MfE and fix the RMA once and for all.
  
  – Commerce – deal to MBIE
  
  Education would be great but I can’t see National giving that up.
  
  Also I would expect Seymour to be Associate Finance Minister. I guarantee that some of the National Ministers will flip and be captured by their officials, putting forward proposals for increased expenditure in the 2024 Budget. IMO there should be no new spending for the next three years. If a Minister wants something new, he or she can finance it by abolishing an existing programme. Enforcing that would be a great role for Seymour.
  
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  November 23, 2023 10:05am
  - MCōs
    
    As I recall the last National administration tried to fix the RMA once and for all.
    Maybe the Nats should have foreseen all these problems when it became law in 1991
    
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    November 23, 2023 1:02pm
Chuck Bird

Do any Jewish groups use or threaten violence or damage property?

Israel-Hamas war: Red paint thrown at Luxon and Seymour’s offices overnight

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/fake-blood-thrown-at-luxon-and-seymours-offices-overnight/BAOOO4GFLRB43KOVEZNDY4DD74/
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November 23, 2023 9:49am
- Ghost
  
  Strange, the left keep saying there is a cost of living crisis. Yet they can afford to buy paint, which isn’t cheap and then throw it away.
  
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  November 23, 2023 9:54am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Taxpayers paid for the paint, via Parliamentary Services.
    Vandals don’t buy paint.
    
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    November 23, 2023 10:29am
- Benedict Yu
  
  There are ultra orthodox Jewish extremists in Israel who carry out random attacks on the small Christian minority. They seem to enjoy spitting at them. 🙁
  
  https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sUJrXNCfUrk
  
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  November 23, 2023 9:59am
  - Lance
    
    To be fair, the vast majority of Jews in Israel think the ultra orthodox Jews are batshit crazy.
    As said to me “avoid the orthodox, they are nuts at the best of times, completly unhinged around Shabbat (Sabbath)”
    
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    November 23, 2023 11:24am
  - mogg
    
    You are using fringe nutters as your example, I lived amongst outlandish Orthodox Jews in London, never seeing or hearing any form of insult.
    They also make great hot beef sandwiches, and treat all others with respect.
    My background is Irish with no Jewish blood at all.
    
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    November 23, 2023 2:59pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  My momey would be on it being exactly the same people I referenced in my 8:34am post in relation to Green voters.
  
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  November 23, 2023 10:00am
Swifty

Mmmmmmm poaka.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/population-of-hard-to-eradicate-feral-super-pigs-in-canada-is-threatening-to-invade-the-us/YJYLLJB6PVHTLFJ6VDOJSXYBBI/
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November 23, 2023 10:04am
- PeterB
  
  Have the Mahuta clan moved?
  
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  November 23, 2023 11:03am
- David Garrett
  
  Swifty: Are you Tongan Sir? My favourite food up here is spit roasted poaka – especially the ones which have been fed coconuts.
  
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  November 23, 2023 11:08am
  - Swifty
    
    No, I’m just a gutless coward too scared to use his own name.
    
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    November 23, 2023 11:34am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Te Reo classes are nearly empty but the Taxpayer still has to pay to run them?
Media saying the classes are overflowing is a barefaced lie.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/stuff-produces-hilarious-article-about-our-billboards-its-a-must-read-2/
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November 23, 2023 10:13am
Ghost

Stuff have a strange article up. A photo with the caption “Demand is consistently high for Queenstown properties”. I’m pretty sure the photo is Lake Pukaki.
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November 23, 2023 10:18am
- PeeJay
  
  Interesting spot.
  
  I was originally thinking this shot might be on the road to Queenstown coming back from Glenorchy, but looking again, suspect you might be right as the water is far too blue – looks like it’s on SH8 heading south, just before you hit Lake Pukaki as the road sweeps round to the left.
  
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  November 23, 2023 1:15pm
thirteenstars

Detailed tour by IDF of Hamas tunnels network underneath Shifa hospital, Gaza:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19hkCAmxAG8
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November 23, 2023 10:29am
- David Garrett
  
  thirteen:
  Call me a cynic, but the BBC reported a few days ago on this, and no such extensive network of tunnels had been discovered. I’m afraid I don’t believe the claims of either side in this sorry conflict.
  
  What that vid shows is almost certainly a network of tunnels and rooms – but where? There really is no way of verifying that it is beneath the hospital. Why doesn’t the IDF take a couple of journos down there??
  
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  November 23, 2023 11:21am
  - kowtow
    
    They have .
    
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    November 23, 2023 12:09pm
  - emmess
    
    The BBC?
    There is your problem, right there
    
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    November 23, 2023 12:39pm
  - PeeJay
    
    I understand your view on this – truth is always the first casualty in any conflict, but based on earlier reporting I’d suggest waiting for a few days and forming an opinion then.
    
    While I’ve avoided commenting on this most commentators seem to be very much in the “with me or against me” mindset, I have found the reporting around this conflict quite concerning in terms of impartiality.
    
    I’ve tended to notice a particular pattern when it comes to how Israeli claims are “reported” by the media. If you recall, the initial reports by Israel of Israeli babies being beheaded by Hamas during the original massacre, these reports were given little coverage and when mentioned, came with the usual “unable to independently verify” caveat that only ever seems to apply to Israeli claims, and never Hamas / Palestinian claims (remember the 500 killed in an airstrike that turned out to be a Hamas rocket failure?). The Israeli’s showed the images to the media of the atrocities committed (and I dare say more gruesome evidence was also presented), and it’s now widely accepted by the media that Israeli claims of the Hamas atrocities are accurate. Not reported mind, or given headlines coverage, just no longer disputed or reported with the “unable to verify” caveat. Move along, move along, look at the squirrel!
    
    I’ll be interested to see how the tunnel’s / command infrastructure story plays out in the media. If Israel’s claims are accurate, I dare say we’ll get the gradual approach of moving on, nothing to see, and no longer covered and no longer disputed. If the coverage continues along with the usual caveats, then that may also tell us something.
    
    One thing is sadly guaranteed during this conflict – impartial reporting of actual facts seems be a rare commodity.
    
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    November 23, 2023 1:02pm
    - alex Masterley
      
      I watched an interview by Piers Morgan where he was talking to a reporter somewhere in Israel/Gaza. Morgan was busy interviewing himself but the reporter managed to respond and get some comments in.
      Of interest, in addition to the almost complete lack of reaction to a missile from Gaza landing in close proximity, was a comment that you could not compare the Nazi’s who undertook the mass killings of Jews and assorted other untermenchen with the Gazan Palestinians. The reporter said the Nazis appeared to demonstrate some shame about their conduct. On the other hand the Gazan Palestinians who conducted the assault on Israel openly celebrated their actions including committing atrocities on the corpses of dead Israeli soldiers. One individual rang his parents in Gaza to tell them what he had done. I was surprised that Morgan let that one get past him. No-one else has reported it.
      
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      November 23, 2023 2:36pm
      - kevn
        
        A comprehensive study of the inflicted misery here…
        https://nominister.wordpress.com/2023/11/21/einsatzgruppen-with-gopros/
        
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        November 23, 2023 3:09pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      Interestingly.
      I did come across some reports that the “”missile”” falling on the Hospital Carpark was a failed Iron Dome launch.
      
      The 40 beheaded babies, baby baked in an oven seems to have originated from Netanyahu’s office., immediately on notification of the attack.
      MSM were probably correct in being suspicious.
      
      As you say it will be some time before the emotion subsides and some truth emerges.
      
      Reminds me of the 2022 hysteria that the Ukrainians were winning and the Russians would be easily defeated and sent home. History doesn”t support that hysteria either.
      
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      November 23, 2023 3:52pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘I did come across some reports that the “”missile”” falling on the Hospital Carpark was a failed Iron Dome launch.’
        
        Of course you did
        Lol
        Its been thoroughly discredited though.
        Do try to keep up
        
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        November 23, 2023 4:16pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        What a load of bollocks. A failing hamas unguided missile fell on the hospital, That was clearly identified on video as rest of missile barrage flew towards Israel one went wonky and fell. It actually did sod all damage, barely any crater, few windows around broken – Though Hamas made up there usual bullshit story about it killing hundreds and quickly cleared away evidence.
        
        If it had been an israeli missile or bomb attack then there would have been real damage and a crater.
        
        You only repeat palestinian propaganda. Is that through choice or ignorance?
        
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        November 23, 2023 10:45pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    “…but the BBC reported a few days ago on this…”
    
    There’s your problem, right there. That would be the same BBC, like Channel 4, like The Guardian, like TVNZ, who weeks ago breathlessly reported that the IDF had launched an attack on the Al-Shifa hospital, which Israel denied, for which they were called liars, but which turned out to clearly be a malfunctioning rocket fired by Hamas that landed in the carpark, killing some people sheltering there but not the insane number of 500 Hamas claimed, which was also parroted by world media.
    
    “Why doesn’t the IDF take a couple of journos down there??”
    
    Oh, they did.
    
    ITV:
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJbTDvBdC1g
    
    NBC:
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7SwJtYW86U
    
    But sure, be a cynic and indulge in moral equivalency. Hamas is evil but so is Israel. How can a person really know what’s right or wrong? If the tunnels are lied about, and the weapons caches are lied about, then why even believe Hamas massacred 1,200 people on Oct. 7?
    
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    November 23, 2023 1:06pm
  - mogg
    
    Cynic is not the word I would use a much better word would be gullible.
    
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    November 23, 2023 3:08pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Who Built them ? And more importantly why ?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVG7duZ-u2U
  
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  November 23, 2023 8:47pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie retweets….

‘The poo like stench permeating Wellington’s CBD very likely to be coming from blocked underground grease traps due to the tonnes of stinky fat released by Asian restaurants which is oozing it’s way through the sewerage system.
A resident of Moa Point described it as being ‘really really vile and smelling like fecal matter mixed with rotting cabbage. It could knock a person out’

Good God….is Tory looking into this?
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November 23, 2023 10:29am
Scooter

Never mind the boat the fur the misses is wearing is abit tacky.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/graeme-harts-new-superyacht-revealed-after-secret-construction-amsterdam-trip/5HO6JO4Z5FG57FSDKOA3CPSJUE/
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November 23, 2023 10:36am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Couple of girls from tennis reckon Grae is starting to look a bit like Tim Shadbolt 😀
  And Robyn’s coat is Sable by the way.
  
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  November 23, 2023 10:54am
CAKE FACE1

Two days after Brenton Tarrant’s terrorist attack, Cindy Ardern said in a press conference:

“I was one of more than 30 recipients of a manifesto that was mailed out nine minutes before the attack took place. It did not include a location, it did not include specific details.”

Fair enough. Then I found this article on RNZ:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/500961/christchurch-terror-attack-inquest-parliament-staffer-called-police-within-minutes-of-receiving-manifesto

“The parliamentary staffer scanned the manifesto during the call and picked out information including the terrorist’s name, age, weapon he was intending to use and location of the attack.”

Hmmm. These accounts do not appear to be consistent.

What is going on?
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November 23, 2023 10:49am
- cmm
  
  Cindy lies even when she has no reason to do so.
  
  Perhaps RNZ is wrong too, but Cindy most certainly is.
  
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  November 23, 2023 11:48am
  - CAKE FACE1
    
    RNZ is simply quoting the official Coroners Court inquest into the terrorist attack, where witnesses were presumably under oath. It would be very surprising if this reporting was wrong.
    
    Of course, Cindy Ardern’s version of events appears to be completely at odds with the official inquiry.
    
    Cindy Ardern said two days after the terrorist attack:
    
    “I was one of more than 30 recipients of a manifesto that was mailed out nine minutes before the attack took place. It did not include a location, it did not include specific details.”
    
    I would like to know:
    
    1. Is this statement correct?
    2. If not, how long did it take Cindy Ardern to clarify that her statement was incorrect?
    3. If the statement was incorrect, how did this error happen?
    
    Answers on a postcard…
    
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    November 23, 2023 12:09pm
- thirteenstars
  
  See, we’ve got a problem in this country. It’s called censorship. A week after the massacre, the Chief Censor declared possession and distribution of the manifesto to be an offence.
  
  It’s just words yet our eyes and our minds are too fragile to read it. We must leave that to our betters lest we be whipped into a similar frenzy of violence.
  
  The nasty consequence is that neither you or I can independently verify what our betters say about the manifesto because if we download and read it we are liable for a stiff fine or a jail sentence.
  
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  November 23, 2023 1:25pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    I read it, but to relay what I read would be an offence. In my view the document should have been made mandatory reading for students.
    
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    November 23, 2023 1:33pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      Also read it and for the life of me couldnt understand why it was censored.
      Other than a political move so herself could say anything she wanted without being contradicted.
      
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      November 23, 2023 3:57pm
      - cmm
        
        The purported reason was to prevent copycats and elevating him to some sort of crazy martyrdom.
        The real reason was to allow them to control the narrative.
        
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        November 23, 2023 5:11pm
  - CAKE FACE1
    
    I’ve read Mein Kampf. It was the terribly written ramblings of a fanatical, despicable person, and I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone. Nonetheless, the idea that this book should be banned because Adolf Hitler was one of history’s worst people is actually dangerous. It is important to try to understand why extremists think like they do.
    
    Cindy Ardern loves censorship, but does it make sense in this case?
    
    For example, she said we shouldn’t ever mention Brenton Tarrant by name. Should we ban the names of all the other megalomaniacs in history? Mentioning Adolf Hitler’s name should be verboten? What about Stalin? Mao? Pol Pot? The list of banned names could go on forever…
    
    Cindy allows you to read Mein Kampf, but bans Tarrant’s crap?
    
    It is simply absurd.
    
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    November 23, 2023 1:53pm
    - MCōs
      
      Seeing as the truth about who said/did what is being questioned
      It was the chief censor who banned Tarrant’s manifesto, not the PM.
      
      With regards mentioning his name the PM said in parliament
      “He sought many things from his act of terror, but one was notoriety, and that is why you will never hear me mention his name. He is a terrorist, he is a criminal, he is an extremist. But he will, when I speak, be nameless.
      And to others I implore you: speak the names of those who were lost rather than the name of the man who took them. He may have sought notoriety, but we in New Zealand will give him nothing, not even his name.”
      
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      November 23, 2023 2:51pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        Ardern wanted many things left unmentioned. In her speech at the UN she uttered these chilling words:
        
        This week we launched an initiative alongside companies and non-profits to help improve research and understanding of how a person’s online experiences are curated by automated processes. This will also be important in understanding more about mis and disinformation online. A challenge that we must as leaders address.
        
        Sadly, I think it’s easy to dismiss this problem as one in the margins. I can certainly understand the desire to leave it to someone else.
        
        As leaders, we are rightly concerned that even those most light-touch approaches to disinformation could be misinterpreted as being hostile to the values of free speech we value so highly.
        
        But while I cannot tell you today what the answer is to this challenge, I can say with complete certainty that we cannot ignore it. To do so poses an equal threat to the norms we all value.
        
        After all, how do you successfully end a war if people are led to believe the reason for its existence is not only legal but noble? How do you tackle climate change if people do not believe it exists? How do you ensure the human rights of others are upheld, when they are subjected to hateful and dangerous rhetoric and ideology?
        
        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/full-speech-jacinda-ardern-addresses-un-general-assembly.html
        
        Automated (AI) processes for removing content unless approved by some pulpit of truth. What a spiffing idea, manifested during her regime as moves towards hate speech laws and the DIA issuing a white paper on how to apply such things online.
        
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        November 23, 2023 3:10pm
      - CAKE FACE1
        
        “Adolf Hitler sought many things from his acts of terror, but one was notoriety, and that is why you will never hear me mention his name. He is a terrorist, he is a criminal, he is an extremist. But he will, when I speak, be nameless.
        And to others I implore you: speak the names of those who were lost rather than the name of the man who took them. He may have sought notoriety, but we in New Zealand will give him nothing, not even his name.”
        
        Oops, I said Hitler’s name!
        
        Infantile stuff.
        
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        November 23, 2023 3:24pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        If you think the Chief Censor came up with this all by himself(no phone calls from PMS office).
        Then we have a bridge you have to buy.
        
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        November 23, 2023 3:59pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      I believe the banning was pushed through because the content didn’t support the narrative Ardern wanted to build. Quite the opposite, in fact.
      
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      November 23, 2023 3:08pm
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/dame-anne-salmond-takes-act-leader-david-seymour-to-task-over-his-claims-that-her-work-supports-his-treaty-call/2TJ7YYJ4BVHDZPRJYKIEAKFPOA/

What the woke NZ Herald said…

Act lobbied for a constitutional overhaul; pitching for the Treaty principles to be rewritten, legislated and ratified by the public

What Seymour actually said…

“By enshrining the Treaty’s principles, properly understood, in our constitutional settings, ACT would promote the Treaty as it was actually signed, not the divisive version invented by judges and academics.”

Exactly, judges and academics rewrote the treaty and Seymour is saying no!
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November 23, 2023 10:52am
- David Garrett
  
  surfing: Quite so. This issue is so important for the future of our fair land that I believe it should be a deal breaker for ACT. If the Nats are not prepared to support a referendum, ACT should sit on the cross benches and only give support on a Bill by Bill basis.
  
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  November 23, 2023 11:24am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    But when Seymour suggested that during the campaign people called him arrogant etc.
    
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    November 23, 2023 11:35am
    - David Garrett
      
      I followed the campaign closely – particularly ACT’s campaign -and I was critical of Seymour on a number of fronts.
      
      However, I don’t believe he ever said that a Treaty Principles Referendum was a deal breaker. If he did, then I stand corrected.
      
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      November 23, 2023 1:01pm
      - Libertarians are right
        
        I thought he said that it was his bottom line and that was what lead to his statement re going confidence only? I could be wrong of course.
        
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        November 23, 2023 1:46pm
      - MCōs
        
        Minor parties always seem to have ‘bottom lines’ that are traded off for the baubles of power
        If Luxon said ‘OK, sit on the cross benches. There isn’t going to be a referendum’ I don’t think Seymour would die on that hill.
        
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        November 23, 2023 3:04pm
  - rockape
    
    That will make him Mr 1% in 2026.
    
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    November 23, 2023 11:47am
    - PeeJay
      
      With respect, I would say that rolling over on the treaty principles referendum would completely destroy ACT’s credibility and would ensure they are 1% in 2026. If they showed a spine and did as DG suggested, I would suggest they would score a great deal higher than their current vote as people would seem them as principled. Voters would realise they actually stood for something and they could be trusted when they say that certain policies are bottom lines.
      
      If they roll over on the referendum which should be a bottom line for a supposedly libertarian party, then really what is the point of voting for them?
      
      Tinkering around the edges is not going to solve anything.
      
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        IMO referendums are a terrible idea, anyway.
        
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        November 23, 2023 3:17pm
I remember when

The really important world news.
LeBron James has scored his 39,000th NBA point.
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November 23, 2023 11:12am
- PeterB
  
  If only George Floyd was alive to witness this achievement.
  
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  November 23, 2023 12:43pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Was it from a free throw after a pathetic dive that would embarrass Neymar?
  
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  November 23, 2023 1:47pm
Jack5

Not often I agree with trade unions, but I do on the ANZ Bank transferring call-centre jobs from NZ to India.

Two grounds:

1. The ANZ Bank is making super profits from NZ and doesn’t need cheap Asian labour.

2. Sometimes Asian call centre voices are hard to understand, and they seldom show, or perhaps can show, any initiative unless your problem is so straight forward you didn’t need to call any way.

John Key is a director of the Australia-based parent board of the bank. He is also chairman of the NZ branch: ANZ Bank New Zealand Ltd.

A second issue is whether NZ has gone back in banking diversity since the financial sector conned the country into selling out its savings banks and building societies, leaving but a few hardy, but comparatively small, hold-outs such as the TSB and the SBS.

We have been left more chained to Australian banks thank before, and with investment advisers channelling much of the country’s savings capital overseas.

NZ bank jobs head to India:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/301013738/anz-restructure-to-add-more-jobs-in-india
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November 23, 2023 11:26am
- Arthur Fleck
  
  If I’m reading the article correctly, it’s actually digital messaging that’s being off-shored while voice calling remains in NZ. But your points still stand, although I suspect it will all be moot and AI will replace all of them before very long.
  
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  November 23, 2023 1:39pm
  - Ghost
    
    Yeah that’s how I read it too, call centre’s stay, digital communications going.
    
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    November 23, 2023 1:42pm
    - Jack5
      
      One of the key benefits of “digitisation” is to save labour costs. That includes digital messaging.
      
      Improving profit from productivity is fine, but only vigorous competition will share productivity gains’ benefit with the local economy. That should lower costs to customers sufficiently to compensate for loss of local jobs.
      
      Do we have that level of competition? Not really.
      
      As for the “digital” aspect …
      
      Two snippets from a 2020 McKinsey report:
      
      Our analysis—based on research done before Covid-19—suggests that those banks that successfully use digital technologies could also see an increase in profit by 40 percent from a combination of increased revenues and lower operational costs.
      
      And:
      
      Based on our research, machines will perform from 10 to 25 percent of work across bank functions in the next few years …
      
      Apologies for the length of this link:
      
      https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/financial-services/our-insights/banking-matters/how-digital-collaboration-helps-banks-serve-customers-better
      
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      November 23, 2023 2:21pm
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        banks ‘serve’ customers better .
        
        There’s got to be an oxymoron in there somewhere.
        
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        November 23, 2023 3:48pm
Maggie Pie

Gotta love Jonesey’s sense of humor 😀
He just handed out ‘PAYDAY’ chocolate bars to waiting journalists.

LOL!!
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November 23, 2023 11:32am
- kowtow
  
  Hope he washed his hands first.
  
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  November 23, 2023 2:35pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Jan 6th. Trump’s innocence. Secret audio tape is the smoking gun.
With this it should all be thrown out.

https://patriotpulse.net/this-secret-audio-tape-is-the-smoking-gun-that-proved-trumps-innocence/?
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November 23, 2023 11:59am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Will the Clinton’s Christmas Decorations hang themselves?
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November 23, 2023 12:17pm
Swifty

So, Clare Charters, who headed up the He Puapua group and was a lead author of the hidden but once exposed greatly divisive He Puapua report, and who has recently been appointed to the HRC as the Indigenous Rights lead, has commissioned research into what New Zealanders think about the Treaty etc and is busy spinning the results she doesn’t find convenient.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/503066/poll-70-percent-of-new-zealanders-want-equal-say-in-te-tiriti-o-waitangi-decisions

I ask for the second time in two days, is our HRC a reasoned, evidence-led, dispassionate calming influence on race-relations in New Zealand, or has it become stacked with extreme activists using our civil institutions to impose their radical prescriptions on everyone else?

The foxes haven’t just taken over the chook house, they’re inside the farmer’s house, sitting at the kitchen table demanding a say on proceedings – and getting it!
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November 23, 2023 12:17pm
- Swifty
  
  The New Zealand Human Rights Commission clearly thinks it right and proper to poll New Zealanders on their thoughts on matters the HRC think important.
  
  They’ve just spent tens of thousands of taxpayer dollars doing just that.
  
  Will the HRC therefore support ACT’s polling of New Zealander’s thoughts on matters the ACT Party think important?
  
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  November 23, 2023 3:05pm
Maggie Pie

Silly girl! Should have listened to her mum….

https://twitter.com/greekcitytimes/status/1727333383444058616
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November 23, 2023 12:54pm
alan

See what is under the hospitals in Gaza.
https://t.me/beholdisraelchannel/23495
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November 23, 2023 1:17pm
Jack5

Argentina, an economic cot-case, recently elected a Right-wing President, Javier Milei.

But how did it get into the mess? Here’s a hint in a paragraph from an article today in the Wall Street Journal:

Argentina’s budget deficit, which JPMorgan projects at around 5% of GDP this year, is actually smaller as a share of GDP than the U.S.’s. The problem is that years of economic mismanagement have left it with no access to the capital markets. Therefore the central bank finances the deficit by purchasing government debt in the open market and lending directly to the treasury.

Isn’t that what Robertson and the Reserve Bank of NZ did during the Covid shutdown? Weren’t they issuing billions of dollars worth of debt bonds and buying those bonds themselves?
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November 23, 2023 1:25pm
Rumblestrip

Lynne Martin, the woman found guilty yesterday of murdering her father, was found dead in police cells this morning.

I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand she was very clearly guilty of a callous and depraved murder, and has probably done the world a favour by removing herself from it. On the other hand, it seems she has “escaped” judicial punishment. I hope there is a review into how Police/Corrections allowed this to happen. Aren’t newly convicted prisoners meant to be on close watch?
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November 23, 2023 1:37pm
- Swifty
  
  I’m not arguing for a minute that she didn’t top herself, but isn’t it too early to make that assumption?
  
  The timing of it certainly supports the view that she did, but until there are coronial findings shouldn’t we hold our judgement?
  
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  November 23, 2023 2:28pm
- kowtow
  
  Death in custody requires coroner’s inquest , innit?
  
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  November 23, 2023 2:32pm
  - fernglas
    
    On present form, that should take about 5 years
    
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    November 23, 2023 5:12pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Saved NZ taxpayers a lot of money.
  
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  November 23, 2023 10:36pm
artemisia

New Prime Minister in the Netherlands, pretty much a done deal. His ‘populist’ policies could start to change the face of Europe, tapping in to growing concerns that still largely lie beneath but starting to surface.
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November 23, 2023 1:39pm
- krazykiwi
  
  AMSTERDAM (Reuters) – Dutch anti-Islam, anti-EU populist politician Geert Wilders looks set to become the Netherlands’s next prime minister after his Freedom Party (PVV) was leading exit polls in a parliamentary election on Wednesday.
  
  The usual ‘far right’ pejoratives are in heavy use by the mockingbird media.
  
  https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2023-11-22/praise-fear-after-dutch-populist-wilders-election-win
  
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  November 23, 2023 1:46pm
- kowtow
  
  Is it though.
  
  Will the other parties combine to keep him out .
  
  I’m disappointed the Farmers party hasn’t done better, at one point it looked like they were the new force there.
  
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  November 23, 2023 2:30pm
  - artemisia
    
    True, may not be able to form a government, but regardless there will be a shock wave across Europe.
    
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    November 23, 2023 4:17pm
- MCōs
  
  Chap has less than a quarter of the seats according to exit polls. Less than Labour here percentage wise.
  Must be a lot of parties in the mix over there
  
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  November 23, 2023 3:36pm
  - kowtow
    
    There are lots of parties .
    
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    November 23, 2023 3:46pm
jedmo

I understand that he has needed heavy security for a while now in order to stay alive amidst threats and actual violence committed by people who disagree with his views.
I see where National and Act offices have been targeted today by some “Free Palestine Blah Blah” group, early days here yet, but thin end of the wedge?
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November 23, 2023 1:47pm
- kowtow
  
  The fact that an MP, Phil Twyford , a senior one at that , could basically be bullied off a podium by unknown and worse un named men at an anti Israel rally in Auckland and that he had to be escorted away by a large posse of police and that this is essentially glossed over by our legacy msm ,
  
  and the people who took the stand directly after were also MPs and had nothing to say about such fascist and anti democratic behaviour , but instead launched into a fierce , genocidal rant ,
  
  says there’s no thin wedge but a wide open dam breach .
  
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  November 23, 2023 2:29pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Pim Fortuyn was assasinated so it is a reality.
  
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  November 23, 2023 3:34pm
Maggie Pie

Wonder what The Greens and Te Maori Pardy MP’s
have been doing exactly for the last six weeks?

Asking for a number of friends
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November 23, 2023 2:06pm
- Ghost
  
  Buying red paint
  
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  November 23, 2023 2:08pm
- greybeard
  
  It is good to see the number of Labour and Greens MPs growing moustaches for “Movember” !
  Even one or two of the men.
  
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  November 23, 2023 6:25pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Coalition.
Media – The people are getting very angry!
No they are not. Most understand the reasons for not rushing like a bull at a gate.
The M͟E͟D͟I͟A͟ are getting very angry, because they want to be the first to write their opinions and Fake News!

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/live-no-interview-here-peters-arrives-in-wellington-refuses-to-answer-questions/ar-AA1kneFp
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November 23, 2023 2:16pm
- MCōs
  
  The only one feigning anger is Winston
  Nobody else seems to care
  Most people I talk to are shocked by the destruction in Gaza and don’t mention the bun fight here.
  If Luxon hadn’t said he’d sort it all out quick smart rather than saying at the start that Peters would drag things out he might have saved some face.
  
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  November 23, 2023 3:49pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Why are they shocked by the destruction in Gaza? Seriously, it’s not like this is the first time this has happened. Why else do you think Hamas’ leaders don’t live there? They wouldn’t be willing to attack Israel if their own lives were at risk.
    
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    November 23, 2023 4:42pm
- kevn
  
  SteveO… What we need is for Luxon to issue his final decisions on Twitter/X.
  That would really spin the media out.
  How good would that be?
  
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  November 23, 2023 4:00pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    🙂
    
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    November 23, 2023 6:00pm
Surely Knott

What was the outcome of Siouxie Wiles case against Auckland Uni? Why has the media dropped it? Did she lose her case? Or is the judge deliberating?
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November 23, 2023 2:25pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Its still ticking along.
  Another week to go I think.
  All the witnesses that the media are interested in have given their evidence. So no more breathless reporting.
  
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  November 23, 2023 3:02pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The Court case is scheduled to go until (at least) 27 November
  
  https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-03518-0
  
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  November 23, 2023 3:29pm
Swifty

White Lives Matter!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12781403/Now-youre-scared-Four-bully-teens-charged-adults-beating-death-Jonathan-Lewis-look-terrified-appear-court-Las-Vegas.html

Crickets…….
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November 23, 2023 2:25pm
- Ghost
  
  Surprised no one has been killed in the school fights here.
  
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  November 23, 2023 4:09pm
Ghost

Looks like the Deputy PM has been announced.. Wise choice, will protect us fron skynet
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November 23, 2023 4:05pm
MCōs

Signing ceremony tomorrow for the new government
Should there be a referendum on the principles of the agreement?
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November 23, 2023 4:25pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  We just had an election which put these three parties into a position to form a government. We will get another in 3 years if we disagree with what they’ve done. That’s how a democracy should work.
  
  A referendum on the principles of the Treaty would remove the non-democratic way the Treaty has currently been treated.
  
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  November 23, 2023 4:39pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Wow! Just drying my hair after a shower so turned on the Wireless (Steam Radio)
I hear Winston Peters will be Prime Minister (because he has experience) and Christopher Luxon and David Seymour will be joint Deputy Vice Presidents.
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November 23, 2023 4:44pm
- Biscuit
  
  Sounds like Tova has her finger on the political pulse, Steve!
  
  She’s a treasure, isn’t she?
  
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  November 23, 2023 5:52pm
Benedict Yu

How does someone suicide in a police cell?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/133338228/arson-killer-lynne-martin-found-dead-the-day-after-being-found-guilty
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November 23, 2023 5:28pm
- Ghost
  
  Seems to be a thing
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new-windsor-dairy-stabbing-man-charged-with-attack-dies-in-police-custody/XRT7KCQF6RCBPBRQNKVEHPKKHY/
  
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  November 23, 2023 5:35pm
- Inandout
  
  BY, I recall Harvey Weinstein topping himself in a NY prison cell, when CCTV failed to record the event; most unusual.
  
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  November 23, 2023 6:00pm
  - Ghost
    
    Harvey is still in jail, you are thinking of Epstein.
    
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    November 23, 2023 6:11pm
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      Ghost, you are so right.
      
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      November 23, 2023 7:29pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The World has forgotten about Epstein.
  He did the same thing. A friend of Hillary told me, so there!
  
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  November 23, 2023 6:04pm
  - Biscuit
    
    Curious, isn’t it, Steve?
    
    I can’t even go from here into Upper Hutt without, apparently, triggering close to 40 CCTV cameras.
    
    But prison authorities can’t even place just the one in the cells of high risk crims…
    
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    November 23, 2023 6:18pm
Ghost

Hmmmm

Chinese hospitals have been “overwhelmed with sick children” as an outbreak of pneumonia escalates in cities across the country, including Beijing, according to reports.

ProMed – a large, publicly available surveillance system which monitors human and animal disease outbreaks worldwide – issued a notification late on Tuesday detailing a reported epidemic of “undiagnosed pneumonia” in children.

Article
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- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  ‘Pneumonia’
  
  Not sure I accept an unverified diagnosis from Communist China
  
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  November 23, 2023 7:59pm
Ghost

I’m just watching this video of attempted kidnapping caught on tape. It’s shocking how open many of these are. Right in front of people. Reaching into a shop door to grab a girl, grabbing a girl in the shop while with her mother. Damn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JEWB8Jzdq8
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