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NeverMindTheBollocks

Oh dear! The bottom is falling out of biking in the UK. Cycling is not a save-the-planet activity after all; rather, it’s a covid-era fad that’s being sent back to obscurity.

Meanwhile, in Sydney a cycle path has been removed just five months after it was completed.

We’re always a bit behind the times here, of course, but I’m looking forward to seeing the penny drop among local activists.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/cycle-tech-falls-by-a-third-with-bikes-sales-also-struggling-says-industry-report

https://amp.smh.com.au/national/nsw/knee-jerk-reaction-sydney-cycle-path-to-be-ripped-up-months-after-opening
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November 13, 2023 8:01am
- mawm
  
  Cycling per se is not the problem. It is a good form of low impact exercise for ageing people whose past sporting injuries are catching up with them and requiring advanced medical interventions to remain mobile. The problem is it has been captured by the green/environmentalist movements who want to replace other forms of transport with it.
  
  The elephant in the room is the threat to individual safety by distracted drivers or those boorish drivers who believe they have sole right to the roadway and behave in a dangerous manner around cyclists. That needs to be addressed.
  
  There are many ways to allow cyclists to use the road safely without huge costs of yet more over-priced, poorly thought out infrastructure, and hopefully improve the relationship between drivers and cyclists.
  
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  November 13, 2023 9:49am
  - pdm
    
    mawm said:
    `The elephant in the room is the threat to individual safety by distracted drivers or those boorish drivers who believe they have sole right to the roadway and behave in a dangerous manner around cyclists. That needs to be addressed.’
    
    Not to mention the entitleitis of cyclists who still persist in riding 3 and 4 abreast on the road and have no hesitation in cutting in front of cars and trucks.
    
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    November 13, 2023 10:33am
    - mawm
      
      I see them riding 2 abreast. That is legal. Filtering between cars is also legal. A car passing a cyclist is an overtaking vehicle and is responsible for ensuring that it is safe to do so. If you don’t like it then get the law changed by voting for a representative who campaigns to do that. If he/she does not win enough votes then it won’t be – that’s how democracy works.
      
      I have yet to see a motorist killed or having a life-changing injury from a cyclist. OTOH I have seen many cyclist die as a result of bad driver behaviour because they are so triggered by just seeing a cyclist. That is not normal adult behaviour.
      
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      November 13, 2023 11:28am
      - slijmbal
        
        Cycled in a number of cities including in Holland – I even used to cycle around London, which one would think was incredibly dangerous (not compared to Auckland) – tried to cycle around Auckland – after the 3rd time someone almost took me out I sold my bike. Kiwis are pretty poor drivers in general and a number are lethal to cyclists.
        
        Having said that Auckland is hard to cycle around without an electric bike ($) because of its hilliness and have yet to see a bike lane with any significant use. There is one by me on the North Shore that effectively takes up an entire car lane on one of the feeder queues to the motorway. I’ve sat in many a rush hour queue on that road and have NEVER seen a cyclist use it ever in years.
        
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        November 13, 2023 11:46am
      - Chris Nisbet
        
        You can ride two abreast as long as you’re not holding up the flow of traffic. Not holding up the flow of traffic applies to cyclists and drivers alike.
        
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        November 13, 2023 11:58am
      - krazykiwi
        
        “I see them riding 2 abreast. That is legal. Filtering between cars is also legal. A car passing a cyclist is an overtaking vehicle and is responsible for ensuring that it is safe to do so”
        
        Correct. Almost every road in New Zealand requires what is technically an overtaking maneuver to pass cyclist(s). Riding two abreast shortens the total overtaking distance, which requires 100m clear visibility throughout the entire maneuver.
        
        Having ridden bikes in Australia, Vietnam, Indonesia, Sri Lanka, Costa Rica, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, UK, USA, France, Italy, Spain and Oman (true!) I can safely say that the two worst countries for drivers raging against cyclists are UK and New Zealand, with Australia getting a dishonourable mention.
        
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        November 13, 2023 12:37pm
  - Paulus
    
    Much of the problem is not necessarily with the cycles lanes but the older persons now that they have electric bikes ands ride them fast in posses.
    
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    November 13, 2023 1:57pm
- wsk12345
  
  I was up in the Port hills at the weekend. Noticed a massive uptick in e-bikes on the easy off-road trails relative to previous years. Yes they are all middle aged, 50+, and as my friend commented, almost none of them had any biking skills. Now I’m not suggesting they need to be downhillers but some basics like not just plunking your seat on the seat and steering straight ahead would be helpful. They ride at great speed, zipping past the actual mountain bikers on the trails but rhen have to get off because there’s a stone on the track. This also applies to people on the roads. I think we will see a big uptick in ACC claims from these people coming right up.
  
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  November 13, 2023 10:02am
  - slijmbal
    
    In Holland they have much, much safer biking facilities (lived there) and they have 60,000+ hospital treatments a year relating to bike accidents with a population of about 3 times ours. E-bike related deaths are climbing very quickly and most appear to be caused by cyclist error. One of the top killers of older men.
    
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    November 13, 2023 12:15pm
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      So the problem contains its own solution?
      
      Ebikes virtually ensure the accident speed is fatal to the lycra clad individual, which just happens to eliminate all the need for expensive end of life medical care….
      
      Elegant policy design, with a positive NPV.
      
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      November 13, 2023 1:48pm
  - cmm
    
    People forget that ebikes are really motorbikes.
    
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    November 13, 2023 2:51pm
- Ford Prefect
  
  Cycle lanes have never been about creating safe environments for the few people who want to cycle. Its always been about a legitimate reason to remove hundreds of car parks
  
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  November 13, 2023 10:06am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Yeah, but you would say that, wouldn’t you.
    
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    November 13, 2023 7:39pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Do those damn e-bikes not have a bell on their handlebars?
  
  I loath how folks on bikes speed along past when you are walking on a joint pedestrian-cycle path and neglect to signal (bell or call out).
  
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  November 13, 2023 11:01am
  - thirteenstars
    
    It’s getting crazy out there.
    
    Not too long ago if you rode a bike on the footpath they’d throw the book at you. Now it’s e-scooters and e-bikes–and things with fat tires that look like chopped-down motorbikes–using footpaths apparently because they don’t feel safe on the roads and the surface is smoother.
    
    Silent death is what they are and councils need to enact a few bylaws.
    
    I just walk a firm centre line and make the buggers avoid me.
    
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    November 13, 2023 11:12am
  - mawm
    
    eBikes are capable of far higher speeds as are motorised scooters. They seem to be populated by bike-hoons.
    
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    November 13, 2023 11:32am
  - peterwn
    
    Bike bells were a vandalism target in the bike sheds. You had a nice Miller bell that worked well and someone nicks the dome. Or they bend the handle so it does not work. So the authorities gave up on bikes requiring bells.
    
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    November 13, 2023 1:32pm
Warren

Labour lost, National won but needs to form a Coalition Government after the 2013 General Election, so why is the two bob pom from the Council of Trade Unions sticking his beak into the battle of tax choices that National apparently are having in the battle with NZ First and Act Parties that Craig Renney seems to know about when it seems the media have not been privileged to .
This from a bunch of losers trying to turn the publics eye into believing that the Foriegn buyers tax is the sticking point that’s Stopping the deal to fom a Government with NZ First and the Act Parties.
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November 13, 2023 8:02am
- Ghost
  
  No one has won the election until the agreements are signed, until then we still have the options that we could go back to the poll, or that Winston could go form with labour.
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:56am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Hipkins stated again last week Labour will never ever go with Peters again, he would have some explaining to do if he flipped on that
    
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    November 13, 2023 9:07am
    - Ghost
      
      And Helen made it known he should never have said that and could have formed a govt if he didn’t. Hipkins won’t be leader much longer so what he says won’t matter
      
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      November 13, 2023 9:09am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Who cares what she thinks. She really doesn’t think the voter would accept a cobbled together 4 headed hydra
        
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        November 13, 2023 12:28pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Hipkins can be flipped easily, and his Maori Caucus are just the ones to do it!
      If the likes of Willie Jackson, John Tamihere, and Kelvin Davis can get together, it’ll be job done.
      PS: They’ll probably pull in a few extra radicals from the Greens as well eh?
      
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      November 13, 2023 10:46am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Then he will go down as the least credible pm in history
        
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        November 13, 2023 12:29pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      ClanMcleod
      
      Don’t give me that shit about covid, I am sick to death of hearing that bullshit.
      
      Labour were trounced by Nats in Auckland because of covid.
      
      Peters did not gain 5% until the last couple of months, if you were stupid enough to have turfed your vote that’s your problem, I have heard no one mention blaming Nats for bloody COVID
      
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      November 13, 2023 4:21pm
  - Kiwiguy
    
    Winston will never form with Labour.
    I heard some information last week which confirms this.
    Remember Winston went with Labour last time because he wanted utu on National?
    Well now the situation is reversed, and he wants utu on Labour. Specifically, Jacinda.
    His knives are out.
    I’ve learned that there is zero chance he would have gone with Labour this election.
    
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    November 13, 2023 9:36am
    - MCōs
      
      Labour will be pleased about that
      Now he’s National’s problem
      
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      November 13, 2023 10:30am
      - kowtow
        
        He’s New Zealand’s problem , again.
        
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        November 13, 2023 10:58am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Well we did warn people
        
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        November 13, 2023 12:30pm
      - Kiwiguy
        
        Well from hearing about his intentions, it sounds to me like he’s about to become a big problem for Labour.
        
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        November 13, 2023 1:07pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        G – no, WE warned all of YOU. Don’t give him the covid space, but you all apparently decided that doing the right and honourable thing was too much trouble, and instead, ignored the concerns of many tens of thousands of innocent NZers.
        
        You reap what you sow. End of story. Time to move on.
        
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        November 13, 2023 2:23pm
      - leoj
        
        Luxon and Seymour both blew it by not talking to the protesters.
        
        That allowed Winnie to cruise in and grab the deciding votes.
        
        Luxon (woke) and Seymour (in denial) sided with Labour!
        
        Both Luxon and Seymour were blindsided.
        
        As long as Winnie can drag Luxon, kicking and screaming to hold a referendum, some good will come out it. Luxon had his chance on that too but blew it, yet again.
        
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        November 13, 2023 2:56pm
  - peterwn
    
    As I indicated before Winston’s options are being part of a coalition agreement or sitting on the cross benches and agreeing on things case by case. The latter means playing ‘chicken’ with Chris Luxon on each bit of legislation. Although Chris would pull the lever to effectively force an election it would be set up in a way as Winston is seen to be responsible and he risks losing the lot. So Winston is better off being ‘on board’ and Chris would seem to want all the significant issues sorted and agreed to before proceeding further. A different scenario from 2017 which was a bidding war – where Labour gave away too much as they had not realised when Bill English had shut his wallet.
    Seems any idea of a deal with Labour (and TPM) is off the table as per Chris Hipkins’ promise and the mutual negative feelings between Labour and TPM.
    
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    November 13, 2023 1:48pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Heard Luxon on the radio with Hosking , he said tax cuts will be delivered to middle snd low income workers, but the funding may change a bit, this is why a reckon they ruled free fees in at the last minute, if they get rid of foreign buyers, then they have the billion for free fees waiting to be dumped
  
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  November 13, 2023 9:06am
- Paulus
  
  Told in the Herald that Rennie was responsible for his published report against National that made a difference to the result.
  
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  November 13, 2023 1:59pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The spin doctors are in overdrive with telling us how wonderfully the New Health regimes are progressing…

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/11/report-reveals-new-health-system-struggled-with-confusion-and-delays.html
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November 13, 2023 8:05am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There will be quite a few scrambling to keep their jobs.
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:12am
- rockape
  
  It looks like the nurses union will be taking them to court for failure to sort the pay equity and Mecca agreement on time. Just to add to their woes.
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:50am
- maggiemay
  
  Our families observation/beleif at the time, when we saw the TPM bus travelling in our local area pre-election was that Kai was being offered then. Can “treating” can be viewed as during a period of time rather than just on election day.
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:53am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Yip, also six years of useless overpaid public servants should also be considered treating. That’s exactly what it is.
    
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    November 13, 2023 9:28am
artemisia

Three Waters: New water bosses got pay bumps of 50 per cent department finally reveals

… “The DIA originally declined to release the salary information. It was provided this week, more than seven months after an information request was made, at the prompting of the Office of the Ombudsman.” NewstalkZB, may be paywalled.

Some of the timeline reported in the article looks remarkably like political manoeuvering. May be a slight suspicion some DIA execs will be under some serious scrutiny before the end of 2023.
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November 13, 2023 8:05am
- Mike22240
  
  There is never a consequence for playing chicken with the OIA. We need to overhaul the whole thing.
  
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  November 13, 2023 10:16am
G152

Ive got a great idea.
If those hospitals are so broken that for some reason they cannot surrender to the Israeli [probably because of their their under floor renovations].
Surrendering to Israel will bring back fuel and medications which proves the ‘authorities’ are under orders from Hamas.
They should stop using newborn children as a shock shame attempt, turn the lights back on officially and get decent media representation

And the hygiene of those hospitals?
All those taking refuge in the hospital?
Why isnt Covid mentioned being as to how its so virulent in such conditions.
And a final hint.
Do not attack Israel ever again.
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November 13, 2023 8:06am
Maggy Wassilieff

John Tamihere in fiery mode… (again)

– We can and will host Polling Booths at our Marae

– We can and will provide kai

– We will provide a safe place to vote

– We will never surrender who we are.

https://www.teaonews.co.nz/2023/11/12/opinion-the-culture-of-why-media-cannot-be-trusted-john-tamihere-te-pati-maori/
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November 13, 2023 8:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I see nothing wrong with voting booths on the Marae as long as all are welcome and don’t have to pass a TOW test before entering.
  John Tamihere was a guy that I liked, but the last few years he seems to have had a huge change. Sorry John, you are off the Christmas Card list.
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:18am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Not when the candidate is the CEO
    
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    November 13, 2023 8:33am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I don’t know if I approve or disapprove that.
      Biased? Yeah possibly some could be affected by that.
      
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      November 13, 2023 10:29am
  - Cassandra
    
    Maraes are Maori private property. No place for a voting booth. And they should be funded by their owners BTW. I note that taxpayers and Lotto didn’t pay for my family’s bach.
    
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    November 13, 2023 8:40am
    - Ghost
      
      They are a good place for a voting booth. If you want to take away from voting booths from non public property then a lot will have to be removed, including the ones in St. John’s, empty shops, the warehouse, etc
      
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      November 13, 2023 8:48am
      - Swifty
        
        I agree – I’ve nothing against marae as polling booths per se, in fact as long as the same rules are followed they make great locations, especially in rural electorates.
        
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        November 13, 2023 9:38am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        There was a large one in Glenfield Mall. I went to take a photo and was stopped. No photos. So when the guy told me ‘no photos’ I pointed to the security cameras all over the place. He had no answer. Security cameras are still cameras that take videos.
        
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        November 13, 2023 10:32am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    When there was money in being a moderate voice for Māori Tamihere was your man when there’s money in being a Māori radical presto John’s your man.
    
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    November 13, 2023 8:53am
  - Unity
    
    I agree. I used to think he was a nice and reasonable guy but not any more. He’s had a complete turn around and it isn’t pretty. What on earth changed him? Was the earlier John Tamihere a fake or did he just put on a facade?
    
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    November 13, 2023 3:41pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  A “safe place to vote”? 🤡 Do Maori voters get attacked at polling booths in the libraries and scout halls?
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:18am
  - cmm
    
    He means safe for the vote, not safe for the voter.
    
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    November 13, 2023 8:30am
- Swifty
  
  Classic conspiratorial rhetoric from Tamihere. He is the victim and everybody is out to get him.
  
  He states that the questions around Manurewa marae are fake. What, like his fake claims of ram raids and home invasions on his candidates during the election period? That proved to be an innocent misunderstanding?
  
  Was his directing that hundreds of thousands of dollars of charity money be spent instead on election campaigning for his Mayoral tilt and that of the Maori Party in 2020 fake as well? And when challenged on it he plays the victim and yells and screams about ‘racism’ and that Maori will spend ‘Maori money’ how they damn well choose to?
  
  I think Mr Tamihere is losing the plot. He doesn’t seem to understand that understand that with politics comes scrutiny and demands for integrity, transparency and probity.
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:20am
  - herb1
    
    Unfortunately Tamihere is getting more violent in his rhetoric. Not a good look to be drawing attention to his similar family history
    
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    November 13, 2023 9:56am
  - Beach Haven expat
    
    Let us not forget on the Working Group podcast when challenged by Damien Grant on the ramraid inconsistencies, Tamihere responded: “It galvanises our people.”
    
    Not only an admission it was all nonsense but imo betrays his belief he can feed Maori any old BS because to his mind they’re stupid enough to fall for it.
    
    Shameful.
    
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    November 13, 2023 7:51pm
- KH
  
  “We will never surrender who we are.”
  John Tamihere uses the royal ‘we’. But he has no right to speak for Maori.
  He should have said. “I will never surrender who I am.”
  To be corrupt. To take the peoples resources for my own use.
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:20am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Kh,
    He appoints himself to speak for all people of maori heritage because he believes they are too thick to think and speak for themselves.
    He’s a racist
    
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    November 13, 2023 9:48am
- Surely Knott
  
  If those are the criteria, then everyone should be able to provide food and whanau days to attract their voters. It’s not the Marae that’s the issue. It’s the Koha in red envelopes. The flags for Waipereira trust. The prezzy cards, free haircuts, and face painting and electronic goods and food.
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:23am
- Simon
  
  In the Maori world there is the narrow ruling class and then all the serfs. Its a feudal system. In the feudal system the rulers kept the serfs safe and made all their decisions for them. In return the serfs owed all their labour to their masters.
  
  The only difference now is the Maori ruling class want the non-Maori to pay for their privileges and their serfs up keep.
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:31am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Simon Māori had existed in a slave economy and they still do to an extent only some of them see us as the slaves.
    
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    November 13, 2023 8:56am
  - Paulus
    
    I fully expect to see Mahuta get a Dameship shortly, like Ardern, for being in a position to be the next Tainui Maori Queen.
    All fixed I expect.
    
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    November 13, 2023 2:04pm
    - Beach Haven expat
      
      Might explain her lack of campaigning when the contest was tight.
      
      Anyone figure out what she actually did overseas after she was disappeared for the election campaign? Apart from writing down what Hamas told her to tweet.
      
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      November 13, 2023 7:54pm
KH

From this morning’s Otago Daily Times.
“………A letter to the Dunedin Muslim community, on behalf of the board of the Dunedin Jewish Congregation, was read out by Dr Mai Tamimi at the protest.

It extended its support and care, from one community to the other.

“We are reaching out to you, our Muslim whanau in Dunedin, and to the Palestinian community in Aotearoa, to share our deep sympathies and utter concern for your families, the future of the region, and all of its people,” the letter said.

“We all believe that violence will never be the way forward, that everything necessary must be done to preserve human life, and to plan together for a future in which all people in the area live in freedom, equality, safety and prosperity.”
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November 13, 2023 8:10am
- Inandout
  
  KH, why the extremely PC language?
  
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  November 13, 2023 9:15am
  - kowtow
    
    Pity there’s no mention of the hostages or indeed the initial terrorist brutality .
    
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    November 13, 2023 9:25am
    - KH
      
      Kowtow. I would guess it’s because they want the killing to stop, Rather than continue it.
      Wonderful letter.
      
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      November 13, 2023 10:45am
  - KH
    
    Sad attitude there Inandout. When these are people really trying.
    And no PC language there at all. Just heartfelt stuff.
    
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    November 13, 2023 9:46am
    - ISeeRed
      
      I don’t want there to be “Jewish communities” or “Palestinian communities” in New Zealand. Assimilate or remigrate.
      
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      November 13, 2023 9:23pm
      - Jack5
        
        Afraid the elite have buried the old assimilation policies like the “American melting pot”.
        
        They’re out to show us multilculturism isn’t necessarily like life in the fragments of Yugoslavia, the Slavic differences of Russians and Ukrainians, Rohingya and Burmese and on and on ..
        
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        April 14, 2024 12:51pm
Bridgenag

Study: Liquid natural gas, the great future hope of Robert Habeck’s Green energy policy, causes up to THREE TIMES more emissions than coal

. The Greens profess to believe that unless we can achieve net-zero in the coming decades, we face civilisational catastrophe of apocalyptic proportions. Everything they have done, however, just makes electricity more expensive, reduces the reliability of the grid, and does nothing about CO2. It is like they want to be the world’s greatest energy transition retards. They firmly supported anti-Russia sanctions and also fought tooth and nail to shut down our last nuclear plants, not only forcing Germany to rely instead on imported and more expensive nuclear power…

https://open.substack.com/pub/eugyppius/p/study-liquid-natural-gas-the-great?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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November 13, 2023 8:10am
Paulus

Sad that once again Peters is playing the arsehole and the puppet master in New Zealand.
Seymour is playing along with what Peters tells him.
Can Luxon say we will go ahead with a minority Government and tells Peters and Seymour go play with yourselves on the cross benches, until such time as no legislation can be passed, and another General Election will take place and Peters will go with Labour and the Maori Party again for the new Government.
But we get the Government we deserve.
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November 13, 2023 8:13am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  He has that option, but he is better placed than any of us here to judge whether and when to use it
  
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  November 13, 2023 10:14am
Benedict Yu

There was a video on twitter that I briefly saw last night. Now it has gone, but a couple of others also saw it and have commented.

https://twitter.com/chrisswift898/status/1723507833613041979?t=bwwstPX83K4zYPGGWb45KA&s=19

Marama Davidson was addressing the pro Hamas rally in Auckland. She is reported to have said something along the lines of “As tangata Whenua it is their dignity to decolonise and re-indiginise this land of Aotearoa”.

If this quote is accurate, she is drawing a direct parallel betwen what she is advocating for Palestinians and with Maori in New Zealand. What does it mean to ‘re-indiginise’ New Zealand?
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November 13, 2023 8:14am
- cmm
  
  Hint: Uganda.
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:19am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Don’t like someone? Kill them.
    
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    November 13, 2023 8:27am
    - Cassandra
      
      “If you see the witkant hiding behind a tree kill him”. Or WTTE.
      
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      November 13, 2023 8:43am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Nope, Eat them.
      
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      November 13, 2023 8:44am
- imalwaysright
  
  She means kill all the white people and leave the mostly white people .
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:19am
  - Burtland
    
    better have your race paper work all authenticated
    
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    November 13, 2023 10:14am
- Swifty
  
  It means having her and people like her in charge. It doesn’t matter if outcomes are poorer for the citizenry as long as they are on top of the pile, calling the shots, that’s all that matters.
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:24am
  - mawm
    
    I thought it was only the money that counted and as much as possible.
    
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    November 13, 2023 4:47pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I don’t think Davidson (nice Maori name) even knows herself what ‘re-indiginise’ means. Word soup waffle, like someone else we know.
  Davidson is not that bright you know, just likes the attention and making noise.
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:24am
  - riffer
    
    Her maiden name was Paratene.
    
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    November 13, 2023 10:12am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Is her husband Paul Davidson Maori?
      
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      November 13, 2023 10:42am
      - riffer
        
        I was not aware that ethnicity is affected by marriage. Thanks for the education.
        
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        November 13, 2023 11:30am
    - oldfella
      
      Riffer, she’s the daughter of Kiwi comedian Rawiri Paratene.
      
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      November 13, 2023 10:45am
      - nova
        
        Rawiri Paratene is the son of Boyd Alex Broughton and Patricia Charlotte Hancy, and was known at school as David Broughton. I don’t know anything about his ancestry, but using the Labour party technique for determining foreign ownership of housing, I suspect that some of his ancestors may have come from Europe…
        
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        November 13, 2023 6:16pm
      - riffer
        
        Yes, that’s probably how she got her maiden name.
        
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        November 13, 2023 7:21pm
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  What does it mean to ‘re-indiginise’ New Zealand?
  
  Look around you, and you will see what it means. The question is, what will the new government do about it?
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:24am
  - Taieri
    
    The question is, what will the new government do about it?
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    Nothing.
    
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    November 13, 2023 9:09am
- Gravelroad
  
  This is what she means:
  Brown people were colonised and subjugated by white people in the past.
  So it is now imperative that the tables are turned so that white people are oppressed and have their “culture” destroyed.
  Feeble thinking – but that is the way of the racist activists on a mission to get perceived “justice” and recompense for themselves.
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:29am
  - cmm
    
    Well that’s exactly the opposite of ToW.
    
    The purpose of ToW was to give Maori access to all the cool stuff that makes a successful Western society.
    
    De-conolonising and re-indiginising are exactly the opposite of what the ToW says.
    
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    November 13, 2023 8:33am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That’s why I said she is not that bright. TOW to her means the post 1975 Waitangi Tribunal rogue version. Davidson will not be able to comprehend that “forestry and fisheries” were added and not in the original. Will someone ask her? Nope, never.
      
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      November 13, 2023 8:38am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If you really want to spare the time…
  
  She is on a mission to educate about the term “reindigenisation” and feels it is a powerful word to reclaim our Māoritanga. How can we move away from centering the colonisor on our reclamation journey and instead feed ourselves with indigenous practices to develop a more indigenous mindset and way of living.
  
  https://sites.libsyn.com/402959/reindigenisation-is-the-revolution-learning-mori-abroad-with-amelia-butler
  
  Here’s how folks think about indigenising our Universities:
  
  https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2023/03/27/indigenising-the-university-part-one.html
  
  our Urban design
  https://talkwellington.org.nz/2022/re-indigenising-decolonising-design/
  
  etc, etc.
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:46am
  - Taieri
    
    If you really want to spare the time…
    ————
    
    Replace “spare” with “waste” to accurately reflect the contents of linked articles…
    
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    November 13, 2023 9:19am
  - double d
    
    Who is the “we” she refers to?
    
    Does Marama have a constituency she is talking on behalf of?
    
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    November 13, 2023 6:24pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    I REALLY don’t think she’ll want the light-skinned peoples of Europe to implement the concept of “reindigenisation”.
    
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    November 13, 2023 9:29pm
- kowtow
  
  The Arabs , both ethnically and religiously ‘colonised” the Levant ( among many other places) .
  
  They are no more “indigenous” to the east coast of the Mediterranean than the Maoris are to New Zealand.
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:56am
  - Swifty
    
    Heh, not many people know that.
    
    Quite right.
    
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    November 13, 2023 9:40am
  - Swifty
    
    It’s the same as the clowns who still talk about Spain (Al Andalusia) as ‘Muslim land’ because they once occupied it, and thinking they have a right to automatically reoccupy it in this, the 21st century.
    
    “Once Muslim, always Muslim” the saying goes.
    
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    November 13, 2023 9:51am
- G152
  
  Will the vote be on the percentage of race in the voter????
  Just asking for a friend
  
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  November 13, 2023 9:22am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Is Davidson advocating for all Pasifika to be repatriated as well? All African Americans to go back to Africa? All Non Whites out of Europe?
  
  She’s dangerous and needs to be called out for it.
  
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  November 13, 2023 9:25am
  - riffer
    
    I fear you are at risk of believing your interpretation of events is the truth. Given it’s a somewhat pessimistic version, I am not surprised you are concerned.
    
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    November 13, 2023 10:14am
- Burtland
  
  when are the tree huggers going to take back the Green Party – they appear to have become a TM offshoot – Judean People’s Front or Peoples Front of Judea?
  
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  November 13, 2023 10:24am
- Yvette
  
  Benedict Yu, here is another version, in Parliament –
  https://www.facebook.com/nzgreenparty/videos/5054036668036170
  – perhaps not reported because there is only about 11 people there.
  
  Hansard –
  The work to decolonise and re-indigenise Aotearoa is the conversation for this place, regardless of what is happening on the other side of the world. It is not a new conversation. It is one that we have to be brave to continue to have, and believe in the hope of constitutional transformation—the proper sharing of power.
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/HansS_20220921_052020000/davidson-marama
  
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  November 13, 2023 11:24am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “—the proper sharing of power.”
    
    That is terrifying. I keep saying it. David Seymour’s referendum is critical.
    
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    November 13, 2023 12:29pm
- Geoff1
  
  It is alright she is advocating to “decolonise and re-indiginise this land of Aotearoa”. Nothing about New Zealand.
  
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  November 13, 2023 12:47pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  She wants a war. She should be careful she doesn’t get what she wishes for. I doubt it will go how she sees it in her fertile imagination.
  
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  November 13, 2023 2:29pm
artemisia

Dame Jacinda Ardern’s Christchurch Call grows – but where are Meta and Google?

Good question. Answers on the back of a postage stamp please.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/502243/dame-jacinda-ardern-s-christchurch-call-grows-but-where-are-meta-and-google
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November 13, 2023 8:17am
Maggy Wassilieff

I wonder why our taxpayers $$$$ are going towards a Massey Uni Campus in Singapore whilst Science-based courses are being cut in NZ.

This dissonance is highlighted by Massey’s decision to open a campus in Singapore while shutting down large parts of its operation in New Zealand. To the best of my knowledge, no satisfactory explanation about this decision has been forthcoming.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ideasroom/university-underfunding-is-compounded-by-their-greater-corporatisation

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/132687454/massey-university-plans-major-singapore-campus-while-proposing-job-cuts-in-new-zealand
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November 13, 2023 8:18am
- Grumpy Silver Haired Female
  
  The word on the street is that the Singapore campus is profitable. Nuff said?
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:24am
- cmm
  
  Massey is cutting the hard courses (science etc) and focusing on the woke shit like Fat Studies.
  
  It is easier than ever to self-educate or study remotely. Universities are just helping themselves become irrelevant.
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:28am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Maybe Massey does not have good Math and Science Lecturers, just woke ones who speak in a bastardised language?
    
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    November 13, 2023 8:43am
  - Inandout
    
    cmm, this excellent documentary about Titanic’s engines shows how critical engineering was back then. Massey’s students would be lost in the technical brilliance that was needed to design such a power plant. To be honest, those students are just dumb arses.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0Fr-dOzpDs
    
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    November 13, 2023 9:28am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I like that. Will watch later. I did not know it was 3 props.
      
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      November 13, 2023 10:44am
- imalwaysright
  
  M.W
  
  You answered your question in the previous article :
  
  ‘The last 3 years of enforced miseducation by the departing Government has left a ticking time-bomb for our society.’
  
  Perhaps Massey know that there is going to be a shortage of kiwi students capable of taking a course.
  
  The time bomb will unfortunately take at least 13 years to cease its damage. That will be when the five year olds who missed their most important years of education will be of age, if not ability, to enrol at university .
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:32am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  I would imagine it’s because they can make money educating students in Singapore.
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:43am
- nathie
  
  Our neighbours work in tertiary education, apparently Labour increased the Wellington bureaucracy for education (staff) on average by 50% chewing up an extra $1b meaning that there has been less funding support available for tertiary education providers across the country.
  
  Coupled with Labour prioritising new funding into the students eg fees free etc (rather than putting this new funding to the tertiary education providers eg to update facilities or programmes etc – they only get what the govt funds per student which hasn’t increased), Labour has left the sector in a mess.
  
  You wouldn’t know about it though, as the MSM concentrate on “job cuts” for the public servants (painting a narrative that National doesn’t care for people etc).
  
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  November 13, 2023 9:03am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Anyone know the current status of Te Pukenga?
    Mr Hipkins’ grand scheme gone wrong even though $m’s invested.
    For what return?
    
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    November 13, 2023 9:53am
- Scott
  
  Massey is really struggling. I was at the campus recently and there was hardly anyone there. Apparently students don’t attend lectures anymore. They are supposed to watch them online if they don’t attend them in person but they don’t even do that.
  My old hostel, Egmont Court, is nowhere near full. Enrolments are well down.
  
  The woke nonsense really kicked into high gear when the Australian Vice Chancellor wouldn’t allow Don Brash to speak at the University. They are now cutting science courses. Massey University was begun as an agricultural college and science is its bread-and-butter.
  
  I think they are doing their best to go woke and go broke? Which is a real shame.
  
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  November 13, 2023 10:47am
Opie

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/three-waters-new-water-bosses-got-pay-bumps-of-50-per-cent-department-finally-reveals/

This sums up the last 6 years.

Invent a problem.

Centralise its function.

Give it a Maori name.

Hire 3 of the same people already managing that function for 400k a year and pay them 700k to do the same job and for diversity bring in the chief of the failed polytech merger and pay him 700k as well.

Tell everyone how well it’s working because you have spent twice as much on it, but none of the spend goes to increase of services.

Call everyone who questions the process racist.

Leave it floundering and not achieving and move onto the next stupid idea you have to burn taxpayers money.
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November 13, 2023 8:19am
- double d
  
  Labour modus operandi.
  It is ALL about how much you spend.
  
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  November 13, 2023 6:29pm
Nukuleka

At a very middle class university- type dinner party last evening where the topic of Gaza and Israel reared its unnecessary head. Fascinating and troubling to see how vociferous was the anti- Israel vitriol- and the abject anti- semiticism on display. Generally in the form of, ‘I met an Israeli once…’ or “My mate told me he had a bad experience with an Israeli…’ followed by generalized negativity. I’m troubled to wonder if this sort of sentiment isn’t more wide- spread among the chattering classes than I ever would have imagined. The general consensus seemed to be that Israel had no right to be in existence. I found it all very depressing.
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November 13, 2023 8:21am
- thetiedarch
  
  I’ve been blown away at how quickly everyone forgot the invasion, abduction, beheading and murder of Israelis a few weeks ago.
  
  In a sick sense, I’m impressed at how Hamas have managed to control the narrative. Everyone seems to think Israel are the bad ones now.
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:28am
  - riffer
    
    People have not forgotten the atrocities. There is no excuse for what happened.
    
    AND
    
    the Israeli response is indiscriminate and too many civilians are being targeted. We can argue that Hamas are completely integrated into Palestinian society, and this means it is impossible not to have severe collateral damage.
    
    One wonders how long it will be before either Israel succeeds in driving the Palestinians completely from Gaza, and if, at that point, the countries around Israel decide, enough, and nuke the whole place.
    
    The whole thing is a horrible, dangerous game. I do not see any good outcome.
    
    And both parties have brought it on themselves.
    
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    November 13, 2023 10:19am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      Hamas have brought it on thhemselves and the Palestines by attacking Israel.
      
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      November 13, 2023 11:40am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        This thing didn’t start on 7th October. Pretending it did is disingenuous.
        It started a very long time ago and trying to unravel it is a nightmare. In the meanwhile, there is zero doubt that an awful lot of innocent people are dead and dying. Justify it any way works for you, I can’t manage it.
        
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        November 13, 2023 2:36pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Who is going to ‘nuke the place’?
      Only Israel has Nuclear weapons.
      Most ME countries despise Hamas and want nothing to do with them.
      Only Iran and to a lessor extent Lebanon do.
      
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      November 13, 2023 1:40pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Pakistan is a Muslim country and has nukes. India has almost 15% Muslim population and has nukes.
        
        Most countries that have them have the ability to launch them from thousands of kms away. You don’t need to be on the border of the other country.
        
        We need to hope this doesn’t escalate into a true world war or the nonsensical ‘climate change’ narrative will be the least of all our worries.
        
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        November 13, 2023 2:41pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Sure Clan but neither of those Countries care about Hamas.
        Pakistan being Muslim is irrelevant.
        And you’re stretching to call Pakistan and India Middle East Countries.
        
        This idea that the ME is going to erupt into war is just not backed up by facts.
        
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        November 13, 2023 2:53pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Decades back I had an Israeli mate I traveled with sometimes. He warned me against having anything to do with Israelis on an in-passing basis, eg while backpacking, because they would almost always be looking to exploit you to their advantage in some way. Just a cultural thing.
  
  Doesn’t make me any less inclined to support Israel.
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:31am
  - muzled
    
    Spot on in my experience NL.
    
    I spent 3 years travelling and met two really nice Israeli’s. Both were travelling alone.
    
    I met one of them where she was from at dinner one night and the response was ‘I’m Israeli, but I’m not one one them’, and pointed to a group of a dozen of her compatriats.
    
    The rest of them I met were either extremely rude, extremely arrogant or more often, both.
    
    No one I knew had a different opinion.
    
    But they’ll never change, met one last year and got the full rundown of what happened 2000 years ago.
    
    FFS, it was 2000 years ago, let it go!
    
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    November 13, 2023 2:10pm
- Simon
  
  A lot of apathy towards Israel in middle America in part because:
  
  600+ Jewish Organizations and Synagogues say: Black Lives Matter
  
  We are Jewish organizations and synagogues from across the racial and political spectrum; from different streams of Judaism; whose members trace their lineage from countries around the world.
  
  We speak with one voice when we say, unequivocally: Black Lives Matter.
  
  https://medium.com/@jewishorgssayblacklivesmatter/jewish-organizations-and-synagogues-say-black-lives-matter-a1a0f7ea6da7
  
  BLM murdered and burnt across middle America many Jews supported them. What goes around comes around. Israel just doesnt have the support it once had.
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:40am
- kowtow
  
  Those right on , luvvie types prolly never heard of kristellnacht , coincidentally 85 th anniversary just past.
  
  And repeated again now in the once free west .
  
  “Hate condemned after Montreal Jewish school struck by gunfire for 2nd time this week”
  
  https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/montreal-jewish-school-gunfire-1.7026640
  
  I wonder if the luvvies are even aware of yet another genocide in Darfur .
  
  At least it’s got some media traction.But not here.
  
  ‘The EU said on Sunday it was “appalled” by reports of more than 1,000 people killed this month in Sudan’s West Darfur in an apparent “ethnic cleansing campaign”by the paramilitary Rapid Support Forces (RSF).’
  
  Source rthk news.
  
  This is why the Jewish state needs to exist.
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:43am
- nathie
  
  Be interesting to know whether any of the “Pro Palestine”* protesters call for/carry signs saying also “Free the hostages” or “Down with Hamas”. Probably not, which shows the bias of the organisers.
  
  *MSM Framing of the protesters: “Pro-Palestine” (positive connotations) rather than “Anti-Israel” protesters.
  
  Compare that with other MSM framing eg when it comes to women’s rights. It becomes: “Anti-Trans” rather than “Pro-woman” protesters.
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:47am
- Matt Long
  
  The same type of people believe farmers should have their property confiscated, but they call it caring for the environment.
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:48am
- Master Mariner
  
  Seems like the same people speaking about Maori oppression, Who do not have any Maori Mates.
  
  Sounds like a “Baffle with Bullshit” evening for you unfortunately.//
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:49am
Maggie Pie

Tell you something I was made aware of over the weekend.

Willie Jackson appeared on TV One’s programme “THE DNA DETECTIVES” back in 2015. When his markers came back, it showed Willie was….

18% English
34% Chinese
25% Ashkenazi Jew
0.4% African
20% Polynesian
2% Spanish

This is the multi-millionaire who identifies as an oppressed Maori. LOLOL!! 😀
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November 13, 2023 8:24am
- Taieri
  
  So, who is the main oppressor here? The Chinese? Or may be the Ashkenazi Jew as African is unlikely…
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:32am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  See here:
  
  https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6uodxm
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:38am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Great detective work Maggz!
    It appears to have been deleted from YT.
    
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    November 13, 2023 9:05am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Very interesting. I viewed it. It looks like Willie wants his Jewish releations to lose their land and lives.
    
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    November 13, 2023 9:31am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Then he should be over there fighting for the cause surely? I’ll chip in for his airfare……
      
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      November 13, 2023 2:45pm
- kevn
  
  Maggie… Good work
  Well that’s all inconvenient isn’t it.
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:38am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Indeed, who decided that you could use a minority part of your DNA to identify with? We’re all mongrels. Every last one of us. It’s only the Maori elites who are using this racial division for their own personal benefits.
    NZ is NOT a racist or apartheid state. Everyone is equal in opportunity. Though that is being skewed more and more to favour a minority ethnic group, a move that won’t end well for any of us.
    
    The only apartheid in NZ in the last 50 years has been the medical apartheid during covid.
    The unvaxxed where the ones excluded from normal society for not having the correct papers. And they came from all parts of society, which was evident at the protest in Wellington.
    
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    November 13, 2023 2:48pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Looks like Willie is as Maori as I am (mixed mongrel European)
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:56am
  - Gravelroad
    
    20% Polynesian though.
    I am sure that could be spun to mean 20% Maori by those “in the know”.
    
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    November 13, 2023 9:56am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “You are Maori if you feel you are Maori” or something.
  I can’t remember who said that, someone like Titewhai Harawira or Margaret Mutu.
  
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  November 13, 2023 9:02am
  - oldfella
    
    “If you’re Maori and you know it, clap your hands…” //
    
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    November 13, 2023 10:55am
Surely Knott

The Herald misleads.

Headline: “Israel-Hamas War: Boy hit by shovel-wielding man while leaving Auckland pro-Palestine protest, police make 3 arrests at rally”

The headline implies that the boy hit with a shovel was hit due to the Israel Hamas war. But deep in the article we find the attacker was recently in the care of Mental Health Service. So there is no evidence given in the article that the violence was linked to the war at all.

The headline SHOULD read……”Mental Health patient attacks child in innercity”.
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November 13, 2023 8:29am
- Ghost
  
  Why, it was correct, the boy was at the protest and was assaulted when leaving and rescued by other members of the protest. It’s not stated he was assaulted because of the protest.
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:50am
  - nathie
    
    Actually the NZH article has a twitter/x link to one the protesters – they don’t acknowledge the mental health person, instead blame the Police. And other respondants are piling in blaming the “Zionists” etc.
    
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    November 13, 2023 9:06am
    - Ghost
      
      How do they blame the police? Can you post it because I don’t have twitter and all I see is
      
      Someone has just assaulted a wee boy with a shovel on the head as pro-Palestine protesters were leaving Auckland’s rally.
      
      The assailant was there for the entire time & waited until people started leaving then attacked the boy.
      
      But also that is just a tweet being posted it’s not the herald, the herald doesn’t mislead anywhere there
      
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      November 13, 2023 9:16am
      - Surely Knott
        
        The headline misleads. It says Israel Palestine war. Palestinian protestor attacked. So you are lead to believe the attack on the Palestinian child is linked to the Israel Palestine war. So if you only read the headline you think a Jewish person attacked a Palestinian. This inflames tensions in NZ.
        
        Mid way through the article tells us it is a person with mental health issues. Now Im thinking oh maybe it had nothing to do with the conflict? And the conflict was a red herring /click bait.
        
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        November 13, 2023 9:57am
      - Ghost
        
        What the headline says is
        
        Israel-Hamas War: Boy hit by shovel-wielding man while leaving Auckland pro-Palestine protest, police make 3 arrests at rally
        
        You have taken that to mean the attack was linked to it, I haven’t, I decided to read the full article before judging. He had mental issues, but it doesn’t say why he did it
        
        Awful incident, I hope the boy recovers without issues, and that is all that people should care about.
        
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        November 13, 2023 10:06am
      - nathie
        
        Hi Ghost, some of the replies:
        
        “The assailant was apprehended by the police. I’m told several people in the protest had pointed to that guy with a shovel in the crowd but the police did nothing until the attack happened. The boy has been taken to the hospital. Was conscious all the time.”
        
        ” …. If you’re an Auckland lawyer who’s able to help, please send me a short DM.”
        
        Perhaps they now want to sue the Police?
        
        “That’s a screaming red flag the police failed to read. They know our opponents are prone to violence. So now we have to be in charge of security. How fucking horrid.”
        
        Many replies are normal eg concerned about the welfare of the child.
        
        But many other replies are angry eg:
        
        “Are they NOT satisfied with
        11,000+ deaths
        including
        5000+ children, babies.
        Their thirst for blood has yet to be quenched.??”
        
        “Attacking children, straight from the Zionist play book”.
        
        And so on. Someone even suggested Arab nations go any liberate Palestine before the population are all murdered by the Zionists.
        
        Thankfully at least blogs like KB are moderated. Pity social media disseminates dis/mis-information big time.
        
        Agree, also hope the boy recovers without issues.
        
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        November 13, 2023 10:43am
      - kowtow
        
        The headline misleads because it should read ‘pro terror rally’
        
        Oddly enough the Whoreald is trumpeting its anniversary of 160 years of “trustworthy” reporting.
        
        Bwahahahahaha
        
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        November 13, 2023 10:51am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Luxon may not go to APEC. Well good on him for getting priorities in order.
It is important for each Party to get a mutual agreement. APEC can wait until next year.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/not-just-signing-up-with-some-flatmates-luxon-says-few-issues-with-coalition-negotiations/ar-AA1jO0TI?
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November 13, 2023 8:34am
- MCōs
  
  Our biggest trade partners will all be at APEC.
  China, Australia and the US.
  I would say Chris Luxon would be seething if Chris Hipkins goes over to San Francisco as a fill in while he’s back here messing round with Act & Winston.
  I’m picking the great negotiator will stitch an agreement together at the last minute.
  
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  November 13, 2023 9:09am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Country comes first.
    Fuck Chris Hipkins. How much damage could he do at APEC?
    
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    November 13, 2023 10:46am
  - rouppe
    
    APEC will consume most of its time with Israel and China
    
    Not sure anything useful for the wider APEC community will be on the agenda
    
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    November 13, 2023 1:11pm
    - MCōs
      
      APEC is Asia-Pacific
      I doubt if Israel is a big ongoing issue with the forum, whereas China is at the the heart of region and the biggest player with 13/21 attendees being Asian (if Russia is included) & the rest on the pacific rim. They’re all Pacific adjacent; nowhere near Israel
      
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      November 13, 2023 2:18pm
- Paulus
  
  Steve
  I love the word mutual – tell that to Peters as he would not understand it does not pertain to him, and possible Seymour currently.
  
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  November 13, 2023 2:13pm
Captain Mainwaring

Does anyone know what’s happened to Garrick Tremain, our leading cartoonist?
Nothing new on his site for about a month. Hope he’s OK.
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November 13, 2023 8:34am
cas

A couple of observations from a trip to Wellington over the weekend.

1. I talked to businesses who have lost huge revenue and some who are on the brink of going under because of the cycleways being constructed down main routes. If Council is so set on cycleways instead of fixing pipes, why doesn’t it put them down feeder roads and not impact businesses.
2 It took 40 minutes from the start of the queue to get through airport security. People were jumping the queue as otherwise they would have missed their flights. A big fail from Wellington airport.
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November 13, 2023 8:38am
- rouppe
  
  Yes Wellington airport regularly only has 1 security screen operating out of 2.
  
  Plus the airport security staff mindless morons. I went through last summer in shorts, a t-shirt and jandals and when something beeped as I went through the scanner the response was ridiculous.
  
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  November 13, 2023 1:08pm
  - riffer
    
    Try going in with a knee replacement. I set it off every time. I just walk straight through to the scanner now, hands above my head.
    
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    November 13, 2023 7:28pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Wellington’s aviation security staff are rostered based on planned demand, and international takes priority. This means if afternoon international flights are delayed, staff end up going home and back-fill staff are pulled from domestic to cover.
  
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  November 13, 2023 1:54pm
Benedict Yu

Good grief. How to destroy a company.

Disney now includes warnings for children at the start of its most famous films, including Dumbo, Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, and Aladin.

“This program includes negative depictions and/or mistreatment of people or cultures. These stereotypes were wrong then and are wrong now … We want to acknowledge its harmful impact, learn from it and spark conversation to create a more inclusive future together.”

https://www.cbc.ca/kidsnews/post/disney-plus-tries-again-to-address-racist-stereotypes-in-old-films#:~:text=On%20Oct.,Disney%20Plus%20late%20last%20year.

I checked. Disney stock has fallen from $200 to $88 in the last 18 months.
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November 13, 2023 8:42am
- Cassandra
  
  I wonder what sort of warning would be needed for Billy Connolly on the bus?
  
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  November 13, 2023 8:47am
- Tom Hunter
  
  And the answer can be found here, Everybody I know is being replaced.
  
  It’s taken a long time for the dam to break, even with the likes of The Critical Drinker hammering away on Disney’s crap, but of course it took something more mainstream to do it, and that turned out to be South Park, which video is embedded in above link but here it is again.
  
  The “quote” put forward by Kathleen Kennedy has gone viral of course, with variations….
  Fuck it. Make it more lame. Put a chick in it. Make her gay. Make it laaaaammmmmee
  
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  November 13, 2023 10:13am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Ah – couldn’t find it in time but here’s The Critical Drinker on Disney’s fall. Eleven minutes of serious criticism and brutally funny nastiness.
  
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  November 13, 2023 10:24am
Maggie Pie

Things that make you go Hmmm.

It’s being reported that any suggestion TURKIYE would accept Palestinian refugees
has been roundly rejected by the Turkish government.

The report included this quote from one time Turkish President Mustafa Kamal Ataturk…..

“Islam, this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin,
is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives”
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November 13, 2023 8:51am
- MCōs
  
  Türkiye
  
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  November 13, 2023 9:19am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Tegel 😛
    
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    November 13, 2023 9:26am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Bring back the pop out tender timer.
      
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      November 13, 2023 10:19am
      - Jack5
        
        MCos is correct in that Türkiye is what the Turkish Government wants Turkey to be known as round the world.
        
        If we bow to that Government and in our usage take up use of “Türkiye.” then why not “Україна” for Ukraine, “Россия” for Russia, “Italia” for Italy (and “Roma” for Rome), “Deutschland” for Germany, “Nihon” for Japan?
        
        Then there are the problems of the “glyphs” such as in Turkey’s case, an umlaut over the “u”, or in “España”, for Spain, the tilde over the “n”.
        
        Just use what is convenient and common in your own country, especially when the use involves different alphabets or amended alphabet letters.
        
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        November 13, 2023 11:28am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Jack5,
        Turkey can get stuffed.
        
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        November 13, 2023 12:03pm
      - kowtow
        
        J5
        
        The A word for NZ’s another.
        
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        November 13, 2023 12:42pm
      - MCōs
        
        I don’t know what Turkey wished to be known as elsewhere, but if we are to use the locally designated name we might as well get the spelling correct
        
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        November 13, 2023 1:26pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        What’s maori for Turkey ,
        Aoturkeyoa ?
        
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        November 13, 2023 2:06pm
      - riffer
        
        The te reo word for “turkey” is korukoru, but I imagine that it is for the animal, not the country.
        
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        November 13, 2023 7:30pm
Matt Long

Erdogan has undone pretty much everything Ataturk did to make Turkey a secular state. It’s Islamists all the way now, full of fraternal love to all Moslems except Kurds, and Palestinian refugees.
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November 13, 2023 9:04am
OverseasKiwi

It should be clear to all by now that Ukraine has lost the war. It does not mean that the fighting is at an end. On the contrary the conflict may well continue for another year, but the outcome is no longer in doubt. The Ukrainians have suffered high casualties (probably greater than 500,000 dead at this point), have lost their best troops, who are irreplaceable, and most of their advanced weaponry. Unless one is a fervent believer in the (nonsensical) narrative (effectively propaganda unfounded in reality) that Ukraine ever had a chance of winning, or followed intelligence-linked organisations with a sloppy methodology such as Oryx, it is over. Nothing is now left except to wait for the Ukrainian regime and state to collapse, Russia to annex land, and set up a compliant rump-state.

As for Israel-Hamas conflict, the performance of the IDF has not been impressive. Despite the possession of an airforce and copious military equipment supplied by the USA, I stand by my earlier suspicion, that the IDF is a pale shadow of its former self. Training, discipline, and unit cohesion have noticeably declined, even in the best units. One further suspects that the Israeli doctrine of overwhelming retaliation is no longer viable and consequently, without a genuine and workable political solution, such as making Israel a federal state with Arab and Jewish provinces, Israel will never regain its security.

I am ready for pushback on these observations. No juvenile rhetoric please – there has been too much of this on Kiwiblog lately.
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November 13, 2023 9:12am
- KH
  
  I think you are right on Ukraine. But we shall see what happens. So?
  It was never a big deal geo political conflict in my view. Just another ethnic conflict, unsolvable mad and murderous.
  
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  November 13, 2023 9:57am
- kowtow
  
  The simple fact that Ivan didn’t over run Ukraine in the first cuppla weeks shows he has the inability to “win” and no matter what the outcome he lost the contest in that opening campaign.
  
  Israel has cut Gaza in half and is surrounding Gaza city , for relatively few casualties ; in terms of urban combat a major achievemnt .
  
  As to the IDF being a “shadow” of its former self ; fighting or holding 4 fronts simultaneously is no mean feat.
  
  I hope these comments are “adult” enough for you and your peremptory parameter settings.
  
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  November 13, 2023 10:34am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Your comments on Russia/Ukraine are ludicrous. Russia is fighting NATO, not Ukraine. If it had been Ukraine alone it would have been over in two weeks.
    
    The US were intent on turning Ukraine into another Afghanistan. They got it badly wrong this time.
    
    We know for a fact, from the words of Merkel herself, the whole Minsk Agreement play was a deliberate diversion to allow NATO to prepare themselves and Ukraine for this planned war.
    
    It’s clear now that NATO completely underestimated the abilities of the Russians and completely overestimated the effectiveness of NATO weapons and training procedures. How many of the Leopard tanks have we seen destroyed? There can’t be many left.
    Ditto the British Challengers and no doubt the US Abrahams, which is totally unsuited to that field of combat.
    
    The conflict in Gaza and Israel is horrific and has the potential to cause even more death and destruction on all sides.
    
    Amazing, as a species the best we’ve managed in a couple of hundred years since the industrial revolution, is better ways to slaughter each other so the MIC and their shareholders can make billions of dollars while the US launders money by selling weapons to everyone it can.
    
    Oh, and playing with deadly viruses that can be leaked into society so pharmaceutical companies and their shareholders can make billions.
    
    All conspiracy theories of course, but there ya go!
    
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    November 13, 2023 3:05pm
    - kowtow
      
      Ludicrous ?
      
      I generally try to remain civil but that’s ok .
      
      You have your views , ludicrous as they are , and I have mine. I like to think I remain rational and considered and generally avoid sprays and rants .
      
      Each to his own.
      
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      November 13, 2023 4:06pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        kowtow – I’m being civil, I promise.
        
        Let’s revisit in a year and see where this conflict is. If I’m wrong in my analysis of the current situation I’ll apologise for getting it wrong. Hopefully others who totally disagree will be big enough to do the same.
        
        ‘Ludicrous’ is not an insult. If you took it as such then I apologise, but you misinterpreted my meaning.
        
        It’s the appropriate word to me to describe any analysis that repeats the idea that the Russian army is inept, poorly trained, badly equipped etc etc. Or anyone who believes that somehow Ukraine is winning this conflict. Who try and minimise the horrific number of Ukrainian casualties.
        
        Anyone prepared to check out the multiple sources that at least appear to be neutral, will quickly realise that apart from the early skirmishes, Russia’s tactics have been really simple. Sit back and destroy Ukraine’s military personnel and hardware, absorb the various ‘assaults’. Retreat if need be, but inflict huge losses while doing so.
        
        Ukraine may soon be finished as a viable entity. There are noises that the imposter and failed actor Zelensky will be deposed soon. If he isn’t and he carries on with his delusion that he is ‘winning’ this war, the country will cease to exist. There will come a time when Russia won’t be interested in any ceasefire or peace talks.
        
        As winter approaches, Russia is about to start targeting Ukrainian infrastructure again. It will be a miserable time for the citizens of that country. This will increase the pressure on Zelensky further. On top of this, the US has rapidly pivoted to Israel, Ukraine is no longer the favourite and the financial and military assistance is going to become harder to get.
        
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        November 14, 2023 7:50am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        And it wasn’t a rant, it was a measured description of the current situation as I see it. Let me know which parts were wrong and why.
        
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        November 14, 2023 7:52am
    - Burtland
      
      just a reminder, Russia invaded Ukraine
      – 72 hrs to Kyiv
      This has been a complete failure for Putin even with the advantage of surprise
      
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      November 13, 2023 8:55pm
- NothingLeft
  
  As someone who follows it closely you don’t have a remotely realistic view of the Ukraine conflict. Ukraine has probably lost closer to 100000 troops with another 150-200k wounded. They are struggling to get enough troops because Ukrainians can go to Europe. Russia probably 200-300k+ dead and 4-600k wounded (they have terrible medevac so more die in field), they can always get more troops because their citizens can’t escape.
  
  Russia are certainly losing many times more troops and equipment than Ukraine due to their soviet style command structure that punishes bad news, and where strategy is set by political needs – focusing on pyrrhic propaganda victories over real progress – eg Bakmut and now Andvika campaigns where they use meat-wave assaults with 1000+ deaths a day (and gunners to murder any soldiers that retreat) to take near-valueless ‘prizes’.
  
  At this point Russian artillery reserves and shells are nearly exhausted (having to purchase from North Korea), they are scrambling to buy equipment like helicopter engines from foreign customers (their Airforce is near exhaustion with debilitating losses), their tanks and IFV supplies are similarly nearly tapped out (you don’t field 70 year old T55’s unless you have run out of options). And they’ve long since exhausted the skilled operators needed to use them effectively.
  
  The war has stalemated due to ever-more lethal and pervasive drone tech (1000+ fpv drones a day on both sides), but Ukraine has better western supported drone tech, countermeasures and far more lethal counterbattery fire to eliminate the poorer range Russian artillery and counterbattery radar systems and that grants them limited air superiority and more operational flexibility in theatres like the Kherson bridgehead. Russia’s advantage in vast stocks of mostly poor-performing legacy conventional weaponry has been almost wholey negated, they rarely get more than a few shots off against Ukraine before being destroyed. Only area’s where Russia is still advantaged is in 50-70km range glide bombs, and ability to always call up more low-skilled infantry. Their helicopters have mostly been taken out of the fight now.
  
  No-man’s land is steadily growing out towards 15-20km. With only surviving people and equipment in that zone hiding in dug-outs and structures, infantry mostly only venturing out at night (which is gradually losing it’s safety with night vision on drones). Assaulting forces are extremely vulnerable and severely punished.
  
  Ukraine won’t be able to take territory without access to tens of thousands of large glide bombs to destroy deeply entrenched Russian positions. But neither can Russia – they are trying to use WW1 meat-wave assaults in Andrivka – but have for example lost 10k+ men killed and 250+ tanks and IFVs in 2 weeks to take a km against well-dug-in defenders.
  
  All the while Ukraine is gradually developing and being supplied with better long range missiles and drones that are making Russian rear-areas and Crimea punishing. Ukraine are also gradually increasing their ability to target distant Russian infrastructure via drones and saboteurs – with steadily increasing attacks deep in Russia on big expensive facilities – their air defense systems have long been exposed as being shit. Russia’s grid and fuel supplies will be vulnerable this winter.
  
  F16s + JDAM glide-bombs and bigger longer range and smarter drones for Ukraine may break deadlock in Ukraine’s favor next year. Russia’s airforce and Navy/ships will continue to be eradicated. The Kerch bridge will likely be destroyed soon making Crimea nearly untenable for Russia – already they can no longer make use of strategic use of Crimean harbors for their navy.
  
  European support is steadily ramping up, they know that if Russia takes the Ukraine then Ukrainians will be conscripted into Russian military, making the next fight with Russia harder.
  
  So Ukraine hasn’t lost. But neither is it likely that they will gain back much territory, with possible exception of Crimea, (if they get ability to land a lot of bigger bombs on Russian fortifications). Economic impacts on Russia are growing ever more dire, They have nearly lost use of the Black Sea and it may get to a point where they will have to end the war.
  
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  November 13, 2023 10:59am
  - OverseasKiwi
    
    This is completely wrong. You clearly have no reliable information about the Russian army (which at this moment is probably the best in the world and especially at the cutting edge in battlefield ISR) and have accepted a false narrative on the tactics of the Russians, which bear no resemblance to the USSR in WWII. The Russians (like most states) are adverse to suffering casualties and prefer to rely upon fire power instead.
    
    All warfare is ultimately attritional and based upon the preponderance of material, such as the Western front of WWII after DDay. Ukraine cannot hope to win, and will suffer a local collapse at some point, leading to a military disaster. The Europeans can do nothing to ward off this result, as their collective military is of little value. They can provide just enough money to stop Ukraine collapsing economically, but where are the weapons and who is going to use them. How are the troops going to be trained? These problems are insoluble.
    
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    November 13, 2023 12:53pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘You clearly have no reliable information about the Russian army (which at this moment is probably the best Convict Army in the world’
      
      There, fixed it for you
      Lol
      
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      November 13, 2023 1:43pm
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        Much like Wellington’ peninsula army then?
        
        Ukraine is finished. There will be a coup within six months and the surviving leaders will sue for peace. Zelensky will be dead or pull a Noriega and be airlifted to Miami.
        
        Noone will ever find the money, but Hunter may get a new beach house and Porsche.
        
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        November 13, 2023 2:02pm
      - OverseasKiwi
        
        This was (until I returned to NZ last year) my specialist academic field. I taught and published at tier-one research universities in the USA for twenty years. Juvenile comments like that add nothing and you clearly you know very little about modern military history.
        
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        November 13, 2023 2:09pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        If you think Russia is the best army in the world then I pity your students.
        
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        November 13, 2023 2:50pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        The lack of knowledge among commenters here re the Ukraine conflict is very reminiscent of how the first 6 months of covid went.
        
        They were wrong then and they are wrong now.
        
        Let’s keep a tab on things and report back in a year, see who was making sense and who was living in their personal fantasy world.
        
        An avoidable tragedy for all involved, driven by US and NATO desire to destroy Russia as a functioning society. The end of the USSR was meant to be the new era, nothing has really changed.
        
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        November 13, 2023 3:10pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Meh, sounds like you’re still getting rubbish from places like The Duran
        Stick to Covid- at least you have some credibility there
        
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        November 13, 2023 3:17pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        @Nigel
        yes, Wellington did a good job.[Mod – you are either going to communicate without the personal jabs or take a holiday, your choice ] needs to explain why Russia, if its the best army in the world, is reduced to using Convict Conscripts.
        And all that old machinery which doesn’t seem to work very well.
        Heck, they ground to a halt within sight of Kiev. No fuel, no food and then went home.
        Yeah, just the BEST army
        So funny.
        
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        November 13, 2023 3:43pm
      - kowtow
        
        deity
        
        Where you buy your crystal ball?
        
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        November 13, 2023 4:08pm
      - kowtow
        
        overseaskitewi
        
        you claim teir 1 academic credentials in order to establish some claim to expertise and yet use “adverse” instead of ‘averse’ . ( i’m open to correction there on usage but claim no academic wonderfulness)
        
        And “Russian army (which at this moment is probably the best in the world and especially at the cutting edge in battlefield ISR)” must be, must be satire.
        
        Pull the other one. prof !
        
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        November 13, 2023 4:17pm
      - cmm
        
        All: which is the best Army?
        How are you measuring “best”?
        Many armies have claimed to be the best, and many have been correct depending on how you choose to measure that.
        
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        November 13, 2023 4:17pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        All_on_Red – at the beginning of the covid circus apparently I had zero credibility. The responses to my comments then were met with similar derision and disbelief as my comments on the Ukraine war often are now.
        
        That changed over a year or so as the bullshit in the media was exposed for the narrative control it actually was.
        
        We’ll see what happens this time. Let’s be adult about it. It’s discussion and debate, and as was the case during covid, it takes time for the truth to emerge. Give it a year. We should know a bit more.
        
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        November 14, 2023 8:10am
    - Master Mariner
      
      My research as well.
      Russia never wanted to fully take over Ukraine, Hence 90k troops in the first attack.
      They had a peace deal signed until NATO intervened.
      Now US is withdrawing funding.
      Zelensky is getting more unhinged.
      Great interview with ex CIA on youtube.
      Ukraine has lost.
      
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      November 13, 2023 4:06pm
      - mawm
        
        All the signs of Ukraine having lost are there. Firstly the US is running away from it as it does not want to be associated with a losing side. Israel has become a very convenient distraction. Secondly there is all the intrigue and division amongst the politicians and top military. It’s not the bunch of happy winners! Thirdly they have run out of money, arms and ammunition. Fourthly they have resorted to recruiting old men and pregnant women. Not the makeup of the best fighting force.
        
        I doubt that they will last the winter.
        
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        November 13, 2023 5:24pm
    - Burtland
      
      The “best army in the world” uses “cutting edge” Iranian mopeds to terrorize civilians in Ukraine – who are you kidding.
      
      They are THE world leaders in False narrative.
      
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      November 13, 2023 9:07pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      Russian ISR cutting edge? LOL. They are a distant second best in Ukraine to Ukrainian armed forces – who have blanket drone reconnaissance, partisans and extensive help from US+Nato spy and signal sats. Added to which there’s not much point of Russians knowing of targets if they don’t have weapons with sufficient precision to hit them.
      
      There are endless phone intercepts of Russian troops attesting to the total lack of care displayed by their leadership for troops lives, and clear videos of atrociously wasteful attacks and counterattacks on not-strategically important targets (last few months south of Bakhmut) and now Avdiivka where they have ordered 10’s of thousands to their deaths in appallingly high loss assaults with guns pointed at their backs for basically nothing other than PR.
      
      The whole way through provision of offensive weapons support for Ukraine has been severely restricted due to fear of nuclear escalation, so Ukraine have had to fight with one hand tied behind their back – lacking air support, long range and heavy bomb delivery systems (though defensive weapons have been well supported), and with always critically short supplies of artillery shells and mortar bombs, making offensive actions extremely difficult.
      
      But along the way Russia’s armed forces have been eviscerated. They’ve run through a million soldiers with 100’s of thousands dead and many times that injured, and all their cold war conventional weapons stocks are nearing exhaustion – or are being severely limited in supply due to extensive refurbishment needed.
      
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      November 14, 2023 12:59am
  - Taieri
    
    They are struggling to get enough troops because Ukrainians can go to Europe.
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    No, they can’t. Men 18 to 60 are not allowed to leave the country.
    
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    November 13, 2023 2:23pm
- Burtland
  
  whos next then?
  
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  November 13, 2023 11:24am
- BarryB
  
  Absolutely correct – the Ukraine is a lost cause right from the beginning.
  
  As for the Israeli-Hamas etc situation I dont know.
  As I have said before I dont believe for one second that Israel didnt know what was going on. It might sound a bit uncaring but if the Israeli Government wanted something to pull all Israelis into the same state of mind then what better than a Hamas incursion with the associated slaughter and rape and killing that happened. The leadership was under heavy political pressure and – it sounds cynical – what better than a major distraction and Hamas offered that opportunity.
  The Israelis will prosecute this confrontation to the end. The hostages are a price they might have to pay so that they can eliminate as much of the Hamas that they can.
  In the long run the only solution is that Gaza and the West Bank are made a Palestine state. This has been offered before but all that happened was that Jordon annexed it and then attacked Israel through it. At the moment Israel regards it as ‘spoils of war’.
  It will take some fast talking to get them to go back to pre the Jordan attack.
  
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  November 13, 2023 11:45am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Ukraine is now in Crimea
    They have crossed the River and formed a defensive position which is being protected by Artillery on the other side of the River
    The Russians are stretched too thin to stop it.
    Then there’s this.
    https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2023/11/07/russia-lost-another-warship-over-the-weekend-n590826
    
    Russia has now moved its ships away from Sevastopol to other ports in the Black sea.
    This will make grain shipments from Odessa easier and with the Bridge gone, Crimea is vulnerable to Ukraine as it has poor supply chains
    
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    November 13, 2023 2:47pm
    - mawm
      
      They have crossed the Dnieper into the Kherson region in a few spots and not in any strength. That’s still a very long way to Crimea. Your knowledge about the war in Ukraine is not very good.
      
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      November 13, 2023 5:31pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        They have crossed below the dam which got blown up.
        Not Kherson
        
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        November 14, 2023 7:22am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Below the Nova Kakhovka Dam they crossed and are now near the Oleshky Sands National Park establishing a bridgehead.
        This is very close to Crimea
        
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        November 14, 2023 7:44am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘As I have said before I dont believe for one second that Israel didnt know what was going on.’
    
    That andthe sentence that follows marks you out as a conspiracy theorist .
    
    It was a major balls up.
    
    They do happen .
    
    Ever heard of the Channel Dash ?
    
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    November 13, 2023 4:30pm
  - Ghost
    
    Israel did know something was going on. Their soldiers were passing back intelligence for months about the increased hamas presence near the fences and what they were doing. But knowing that something is going on and knowing when, what and where it will happen are different
    
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    November 13, 2023 4:39pm
- Ra Henare
  
  100% agree on the juvenile rhetoric!
  
  Seems that some here are incapable of rational thought and accepting there are alternate views.
  
  By the “currently”” 24 downticks , it would appear that at least 24 readers dont undertsand what you are saying.
  
  I blame the lack of reading and everything being sound bytes and talkshow hosts opinions.
  
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  November 13, 2023 5:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

One million dollars dropped from the sky.

https://gopnewsfeed.com/chaos-ensues-as-1-million-dropped-from-the-sky/?
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November 13, 2023 9:23am
Maggie Pie

And here’s something else I bet not many people knew 🙁

A man wearing a woman’s dress says…
“More than half of the men who are banned from using Women’s Toilets kill themselves!”

https://twitter.com/Jonnywsbell/status/1723367118937239863

I SAY: “…….pants on fire”
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November 13, 2023 9:24am
- Ghost
  
  What about All Blacks that are banned from disabled toilets?
  
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  November 13, 2023 9:25am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    They just cry on telly when they get caught 😛
    
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    November 13, 2023 9:29am
- imalwaysright
  
  M.P
  
  I didn’t realise that over half of men are dead !
  
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  November 13, 2023 1:19pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  How about “your terms are acceptable”
  
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  November 13, 2023 2:03pm
kevn

OK… Indeed. Ukraine are putting their female population on the line now. Who is looking after the children?
https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/world/ukrainian-women-to-be-zelenskys-new-cannon-fodder/
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November 13, 2023 9:26am
- rangitoto
  
  Women have been fighting in the Ukraine army since the beginning of the RuZZian invasion in 2014.
  
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  November 13, 2023 9:30am
  - kevn
    
    rangi… That will be the regular conscripts of course. There by choice. NZ has women in the army as well.
    Did you read the link?
    
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    November 13, 2023 9:58am
  - pdm
    
    Pretty sure Israel has had conscription for women from long before 2014.
    
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    November 13, 2023 10:43am
    - kowtow
      
      One of their roles was in isolated observation posts on the Gaza border .
      
      That’s one reason why there were quite a few female military casualties on the morning of the brutal Hamas terror attack.
      
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      November 13, 2023 10:55am
- imalwaysright
  
  Biden is babysitting them.
  
  He has applied to Congress for a shampoo budget increase.
  
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  November 13, 2023 10:25am
- NothingLeft
  
  In the drone + missile + artillery war-at-a-distance that Ukraine has evolved into there is no reason why women can’t be just as useful as men. for non-infantry combat and support roles.
  
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  November 13, 2023 11:03am
  - rouppe
    
    You seem to be suggesting that the 5.56 NATO round is less lethal fired by a woman than a man.
    
    Not sure why that would be.
    
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    November 13, 2023 12:58pm
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/queenstown-bar-goer-smashes-glass-into-mans-neck-in-brawl/YPWS3BTHUVAVBHRQGYD6AP2CKM/

Smashed a glass into his victims neck causing 10cm wound, almost killed him, most likely caused a permanent disability.

10 months home detention!

So wrong! Should have been 3 years in prison at minimum.
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November 13, 2023 9:52am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Nick the artery and it is murder.
  
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  November 13, 2023 9:58am
- Inandout
  
  surf, drink at home, much cheaper and probably safer.
  
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  November 13, 2023 9:58am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I do, and never drive after even one beer.
    The old pissup booze barns where fun with live bands.
    Can’t be bothered with these trendsetter cafe type bars.
    
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    November 13, 2023 10:52am
    - imalwaysright
      
      S.O
      
      A wise move. On Saturday, at Raumati pub I paid $15.50 for a pint of what was called NZ pilsener.
      A nice beer, but I didn’t buy another because of the price.
      
      To compare, a beer at the American Bar at the Savoy, London is 8 pounds or about $16.60 and I would be sitting on some flash furniture trying to give some movie star the eye, rather than batting a seagull away from my chips on the picnic table in the garden bar.
      
      NZ is too expensive .
      
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      November 13, 2023 12:00pm
    - Paulus
      
      For shame I drink No Alc Steinlager beers and feel as if no difference.
      At a push one 2.5% one if no alc available.
      
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      November 13, 2023 2:18pm
- riffer
  
  I am not sure if it exists, but if it does, a compulsory order for medication that reacts badly to alcohol would be a good idea too.
  
  You know, a no-alcohol order, and you must take this medication daily. And if you don’t, straight to jail. And if you drink alcohol while on the medication, we are not responsible for your death.
  
  Perhaps a bit strong, but this individual obviously can’t handle their grog. So remove it from them.
  
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  November 13, 2023 10:27am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    While I like where you’re coming from, the idea that the Government/Courts should have any say over our bodies is incredibly dangerous. So no. The precedent is simply too dangerous (and yes, I was also disagreed with the mandates).
    
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    November 13, 2023 10:54am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not just alcohol. My son sometimes takes dope and meth on top of his prescribed mental health medication.
    Yep, and off the rails again.
    
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    November 13, 2023 10:54am
    - surfing
      
      Sorry to hear that — having your own children going through such difficulties is the worst thing for a parent.
      
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      November 13, 2023 4:17pm
  - Taieri
    
    I am not sure if it exists, but if it does, a compulsory order for medication that reacts badly to alcohol would be a good idea too.
    ———-
    
    Medications such as disulfiram or esperal are quite effective. If taken. There’re of course some side effects.
    The problem with alcoholism is the fact that it is a mental disease, that’s why it is so difficult to treat. There’re no simple solutions, as anyone who had anything to do with alcoholics can testify. Of a several alcoholics that I’ve encountered in my life, only one was successful. What cured (if that’s the right word) him was religion. He’s literally “found Jesus” and in the first months was unbearable announcing this to all and sundry. Now, many years later, he is a successful businessman, who regained his marriage and his family, but it was a very bumpy ride.
    A terrible disease, criminalizing it doesn’t work…
    
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    November 13, 2023 11:12am
    - riffer
      
      That’s interesting. So I guess it would be possible to implant a device in the offender’s body that slow releases one of these drugs.
      
      While I am dubious about the benefits of religion, in this case, like AA does with some, it seems to have worked on the fellow you know. Good on him.
      
      And yes, there are a number of instances where criminalizing does not work. But we do it, because it looks like something is being done. Often, it makes things way worse…
      
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      November 13, 2023 11:35am
      - All_on_Red
        
        How do you feel about it being compulsory for Birth Control devices to be inserted into abusive mothers?
        Same thing isn’t it?
        So much for my body my choice huh
        
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        November 13, 2023 2:39pm
      - riffer
        
        All_on_Red, that’s an interesting question.
        
        My answer would be: it depends. If the mother continued to have children, and abuse them, and there was an almost certainty of death to the children, yeah, I’d be okay with that.
        
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        November 13, 2023 7:34pm
  - mawm
    
    Riffer – It’s called Antabuse (disulfiram) or by its colloquial name Anti-booze.
    
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    November 13, 2023 5:38pm
Maggie Pie

THE HORRID TRENDING

Dilworth School, reeling from the fallout of staff convicted of child sex offences…….have set aside $43.7 million for redress to people believed to have suffered physical and sexual harm during their time as students.

Payments are to be individually capped at $300,000 for “the most exceptional cases”

Hmmm.
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November 13, 2023 10:03am
- imalwaysright
  
  M.P
  
  It makes you wonder what do they consider exceptional .
  
  The effort of the offender ?
  The creativity of the offender?
  The physical damage done by the offender
  A dead victim?
  
  Ironic that in our dysfunctional education system we have a school willing to grade sexual abuse.
  
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  November 13, 2023 10:34am
Gravelroad

https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350109260/wellington-warned-unprecedented-rates-rises
Will this be enough for the complacent and easily-led ratepayers of Wellington to see sense about local government spending?
Or will the public servants demand salary top-ups from central government to help them pay these rates increase?
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November 13, 2023 10:23am
- riffer
  
  Not everyone in Wellington is a public servant, let alone the type that you all seem to think Wellington is swamped with.
  
  You can keep raising rates, but at some stage, there will be a rates revolt.
  
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  November 13, 2023 10:28am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Wellington is full of sniveling socialists. My brother lives there. I hate the place.
    
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    November 13, 2023 10:57am
    - riffer
      
      Generalisation.
      
      We could say all sorts of awful generalisations about the North Shore as well, but they’d be just as inaccurate.
      
      Probably best to stay where you are, I guess.
      
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      November 13, 2023 11:36am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        A lot of annoying comments from you today. Have you taken over from Mike? Or are you Mike?
        
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        November 13, 2023 12:38pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Generalisations are usually correct.
        The incorrect ones give the rest a bad name.
        
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        November 13, 2023 1:24pm
    - greybeard
      
      I’ve lived in Wellington since January 1971.
      I am neither snivelling nor a socialist.
      And I love the place.
      
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      November 13, 2023 2:10pm
    - Paulus
      
      I lived there working in the Parliamentary end of the Terrace for 16 years from 1975 – non Public Service and was sorry to have to go to Auckland.
      Retired in Tauranga so only visit family (Public Servants) very rarely.
      They come to us.
      
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      November 13, 2023 2:23pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Unfortunately, many Wellington Ratepayers don’t actually have a say in how their rates are paid.
  A large portion of Wellington rates are paid by the building owners who don’t actually get a say.
  For example, Sir Bob Jones pays 5% of Wellington rates but doesn’t get a vote to vote on who the Mayor and Councillors are.
  
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  November 13, 2023 10:50am
  - rouppe
    
    Not sure that’s true.
    
    I don’t live in Wellington City, but have a property there. I get to vote on the Mayor.
    
    Hint: It wasn’t Tory.
    
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    November 13, 2023 12:54pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Councillor Ben McNulty. Is he related to Labour’s Kieran McNulty?
  
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  November 13, 2023 12:30pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    It is very unlikely that Cr Ben McNulty is related to Labour List MP Kieran McAnulty.
    
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    November 13, 2023 1:08pm
- Matt Long
  
  I think everyone in Wellington realises it costs a lot to wreck a city, and will happily watch ratepayers pick up the tab.
  
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  November 13, 2023 1:15pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    By the time they’re done it will be the NZ taxpayers doing the bailing out – ratepayers alone won’t be able to manage it.
    
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    November 13, 2023 1:40pm
- surfing
  
  Can’t be as bad as Tauranga — last 5 years of my personal rates increases between 15% to 20% annually.
  
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  November 13, 2023 2:15pm
Maggie Pie

FACTOID

As at January this year, there were nearly 1000 VAPE STORES in NZ.
The majority owned or operated by Indians.

Now just from my own personal observations while waiting in the car at pedestrian crossings, I have never seen an Indian vaping.
It’s nearly always down & out looking hippie types of euro extraction.

Am I wrong or not?
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November 13, 2023 11:03am
- riffer
  
  I’ve seen plenty of Indians vaping. Perhaps you don’t get out as often as I do.
  
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  November 13, 2023 11:37am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Or maybe we just move in different circles riffy?
    
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    November 13, 2023 11:43am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Riffer is merely replying to your question .
      At least he’s not mixing with down & out looking hippie types of euro extraction.
      Give me an Indian any day !!
      
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      November 13, 2023 1:30pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Wait a minit….I’m not ‘mixing’ with them, silly!
        I’m talking about driving around the bottom of Queen Street.
        
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        November 13, 2023 2:01pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        M.P
        That’s just as bad.
        You won’t get any self respecting Indian vaper hanging around the bottom of Q street waiting for a lowered VW combi to roll by.
        Some people are fussy.
        Good luck girlfriend .
        
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        November 13, 2023 2:17pm
- MCōs
  
  I was down at the Mangere Bridge shops this morning, which on one side of the road comprise a number of cafes
  Very mixed ethnicity and I don’t recall seeing one person with their head enveloped in a cloud of smoke that characterizes vape smoking
  And if there was, who cares?
  All manner of shops on the other side of the road including one vape store.
  
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  November 13, 2023 1:47pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/maori-reveal-their-plans-for-taking-over-new-zealand/?
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November 13, 2023 12:31pm
- imalwaysright
  
  S.O
  
  Keep it up. You are doing Gods work!
  
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  November 13, 2023 2:25pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-1WPeit_DQ&t=99s
Chris Trotter on drawn-out coalition talks.
Sean Plunket speaks with political commentator Chris Trotter about the drawn-out coalition talks. ACT, and NZ Worst are ganging up on National. [8:42]
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November 13, 2023 12:35pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  It’s a 3 party negotiation that’s been going on for a little over a week. Anyone pretending this would only take a couple days is lying/deluded.
  
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  November 13, 2023 1:05pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3dqT2qRU74
Rashida Tlaib Censured.
Dems have crossed the floor, and voted with Republicans to censure Rashida Tlaib. There is a civil war in the Dem party between the wokesters, and the liberals A number of Jews have left the Democratic party. [9:35]
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November 13, 2023 12:35pm
Maggie Pie

You’ll recall I posted here a few months ago that I would never again get on another Fair-Ground Ride.
This comes after observing the state of the Operators they employ at the Royal Easter Show. You would hardly want to put your life in the hands of some of the grubby looking spaced-out individuals they put in charge of the Hard Rock Ride, the Turbo Boost, Ferris Wheel etc 🙁

Now I’m even getting the same vibes about using the Cook Strait Ferries.

Just saying.
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November 13, 2023 1:22pm
Jack5

Presumably taxpayers fund lawyers for criminal no-hopers appealing against their sentences.

Here’s the lawyer for a fake doctor, Yuvaraj Krishnan, as he seeks a reduced sentence:

… The judge failed to recognise the family pressure Krishnan experienced – having a brother and sister in the medical profession, being teased as a failure and facing pressure from his parents to succeed.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/301007559/imposter-doctor-who-lied-in-court-wants-his-jail-term-reduced
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November 13, 2023 2:12pm
- Gravelroad
  
  The guy got sentenced to 3 years and 7 months in prison for pretending to be a doctor.
  Not sure if he killed or injured anybody.
  Did he bash a baby to death?
  Did he assault a passer-by with a weapon such as a samurai sword causing lasting damage
  Did he murder someone during a drug deal?
  Not making excuses for him, but, if you look at crimes where people were actually raped and murdered, some more special people get 9 months home detention.
  
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  November 13, 2023 3:34pm
  - Jack5
    
    Lives were likely at stake, Gravel.
    
    He should have got 10 years and deportation.
    
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    November 13, 2023 4:19pm
surfing

Ha ha NZ First are trying to force Nicola Willis into resigning. Because they won’t accept the tax promise where she said she would resign if it didn’t go through. Although I’d need to look at exactly what she promised.

What happens if a government can’t be formed?
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November 13, 2023 2:13pm
- Paulus
  
  National Government continue as Minority Government until such as foul play ensues, and an an Election is called when Labour will get back in with Maori and Peters. Doubtful Act remaining.
  
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  November 13, 2023 2:26pm
- gorse
  
  Another election is called
  
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  November 13, 2023 2:27pm
- Jack5
  
  NZ’s been using the MMP system since the 1996 general election. It entails the probability of coalition governments.
  
  Voters must now assume that political promises before elections are e qualified promises. The qualification is, “but only if our party becomes the government on its own.”
  
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  November 13, 2023 2:30pm
  - Burtland
    
    yep, MMP encourages political promises that will never be fulfilled – false advertising ?
    
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    November 13, 2023 9:25pm
Chuck Bird

I have been a member of the Free Speech Union for some time but unsure if I will remain a member. What do others think about about Mchangama’s piece?

Free Speech Defenders Must Be Consistent
The massacre in Israel and the war in Gaza have led to a misguided clampdown on free expression.

https://www.persuasion.community/p/free-speech-defenders-must-be-consistent?r=a61tl&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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November 13, 2023 2:29pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  You would withdraw from a free speech union because you dont like an opinion piece about free speech absolutism, written by someone who is not talking on behalf of the FSU?
  I can’t say I agree with the opinion, but in the context that is besides the point.
  
  I got 2 communications from the NZ organisation today, and they were about the abuse Twyford got for daring to suggest violence and killing from both Israel AND Hamas was a bad thing. Police had to escort him away.
  So not sure what you are objecting too, but if you need to ask such a question then it sort of speaks to itself.
  Just recently you were decrying how there might no longer be a place for your conservatism within ACT. I would suggest stop crapping in your nest, if you are looking for a perfectly clean one.
  
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  November 13, 2023 3:56pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    “written by someone who is not talking on behalf of the FSU?”
    
    He is quoted by the FSU in support of allowing incitement that may not be immediant.
    
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    November 13, 2023 4:30pm
- Ghost
  
  If you support free speech that includes supporting and protecting those you disagree with having the ability to express their legal views.
  
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  November 13, 2023 4:14pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I support speech I do not agree with but not incitement to violence. There is a difference.
    
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    November 13, 2023 4:27pm
Maggie Pie

And there looks to be hundreds of people on ‘X’ worrying what Nanaia’s next gig will be.
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November 13, 2023 2:33pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Looking at here, her next gig could well be in a morticians waiting room. I don’t think she is well.
  
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  November 13, 2023 2:40pm
Ehlana

So, anyone heard of any protest marches about this one: “Darfur, a region in Sudan is facing “another genocide”, warned the EU’s chief diplomat, Josep Borrell. Between 2003 and 2008 more than 300,000 people were killed in the region. According to Mr Borrell, in the past week 1,000 members of the Masalit, a black African ethnic group, have been killed by the Rapid Support Forces, a paramilitary force fighting the Sudanese army.” (From https://www.economist.com/the-world-in-brief)
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November 13, 2023 2:41pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Well no one talks about the 400,000 Yeminis killed by Saudi and other Arab countries and no one talks about Syrians killing 200,000 Syrians………
  
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  November 13, 2023 2:49pm
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    Blog
    That’s because the media haven’t told them to.
    People on this site tend not to think for themselves .
    
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    November 14, 2023 7:48am
Maggie Pie

Up until now, I’ve always held the belief Earth was created 6000 years ago.
However, scientific evidence now points to it being 4.543 BILLION years old!

So given that Maori arrived here about 800 years ago and consider themselves to be ‘Indigenous’…. surely it would be a bit of a stretch on their part to believe that nobody
ever came here in the intervening 4.542 billion years prior?
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November 13, 2023 3:10pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Jews have been in Israel for almost 4,000 years but most Maori activists don’t seem to consider them indigenous either.
  
  I think indigeneity depends on whether it benefits far Left Marxist ideology these days.
  
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  November 13, 2023 3:39pm
  - Ghost
    
    Here’s a good video
    
    Twitter, Māori haka for Israel
    
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    November 13, 2023 3:46pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    The area now known as Palestine had human inhabitants over 9,000 years ago.
    
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    November 13, 2023 6:17pm
    - Swifty
      
      A lot longer than that Ra.
      
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      November 13, 2023 6:31pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        Evidence please Swifty
        
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        November 13, 2023 9:30pm
  - greybeard
    
    Read James Michener’s 1985 book “The Source”.
    
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    November 13, 2023 7:43pm
    - MCōs
      
      A novel
      That is to say a work of fiction
      
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      November 13, 2023 9:23pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Modern day humans have only been around for about 200,000 years (give or take 100,000 years according to various recent findings).
  
  The Australian Aborigines are thought to have been in Aus for around 50,000 years.
  
  Hurty feelings and the desire to keep gravy trains going would probably see any evidence of pre Maori visitation to NZ cremated and buried by the current academic gatekeepers.
  
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  November 13, 2023 10:27pm
Chuck Bird

“Up until now, I’ve always held the belief Earth was created 6000 years ago.”

Did you really believe that?
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November 13, 2023 3:15pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  TBH chucky, I was brought up to believe if Jesus is all you have,
  you have all you need.
  
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  November 13, 2023 3:51pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    That’s how preachers can get people to starve themselves to death.
    https://humanglemedia.com/kenyan-pastor-asked-his-followers-to-starve-themselves-to-death-they-obeyed/
    
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    November 13, 2023 4:01pm
  - Blog-aholic
    
    Apparently the only other thing you need too is love, love, love. Love is, all you need…………..
    
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    November 13, 2023 4:18pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Are you blonde?
    
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    November 13, 2023 5:44pm
Bobba Fret

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/133280975/john-campbell-tells-court-siouxsie-wiles-was-invaluable-to-nz-during-covid19-pandemic

John Campbell never fails to amuse!
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November 13, 2023 4:47pm
Benedict Yu

Good grief 🙁

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/133280975/john-campbell-tells-court-siouxsie-wiles-was-invaluable-to-nz-during-covid19-pandemic

“Siouxsie Wiles ‘invaluable’ to NZ during Covid, John Campbell tells court”
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November 13, 2023 4:48pm
- Ghost
  
  Well she did teach the country that if you go out, don’t get caught
  
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  November 13, 2023 5:04pm
Swifty

So the best that Chris Finlayson can come up with regarding a referendum on the treaty principles is that “it would cause division” and that “all the nutcases would come out of the woodwork”.

https://tkr.ro/e/EMoNXGD0Vh32024r

Well I’ve got news for Finlayson – division is already with us, to levels we’ve never seen before and, if he’s correct about the nut cases, they’re already out, from both sides, and by the way far better they’re out in the open than squirrelled away and festering.

I see yet again he, like many others, hasn’t even attempted to mount arguments against a referendum – just postured that some people won’t like it and will make their objections known. Well thanks for that, we know that already.

For heavens sake, can you imagine us choosing not to oppose, purely as examples, the Japanese or Nazism because doing so ‘would cause division’. It’s non-sensical. It’s a non-argument. It’s the opposite of an argument. It’s saying becoming a second-class citizen with others anti-democratically ruling over you is better than mounting a defence because someone might get hurt or be offended.

Bloody hell – I really thought him better than that. What a great disappointment he is.
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November 13, 2023 4:50pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

AT’s $100mil the (Western Express) WX Bus Lanes chop 2 minits off City route.
Hopefully, Waka Kotahi will soon approve and build the bus priority measures at BOTH ENDS of the route to really cut peak journey times. LOL!!

Calling all AK ratepayers….come in please.
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November 13, 2023 4:55pm
- greybeard
  
  How many central-city Aucklanders want to take a bus to Riverhead ?
  Or anywhere ?
  
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  November 13, 2023 7:39pm
Swifty

The wonderful Helen Pluckrose in conversation with John Cleese regarding damaging wokery:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mNIU2orO5TY
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November 13, 2023 5:45pm
MCōs

In Bangkok there are ongoing feuds between students of rival polytechnics
These have gone on for years with guns, knives, machetes
The other day someone shot at a student from another polytechnic, missed and killed a teacher using an atm
https://x.com/thaipbsworld/status/1723900303534325986?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
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November 13, 2023 6:21pm
- kowtow
  
  The money shot.
  
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  November 13, 2023 6:29pm
Swifty

“You cannot take any people, of any color, and exempt them from the requirements of civilization — including work, behavioral standards, personal responsibility and all the other basic things that the clever intelligentsia (and the NZ Labour Party) disdain – without ruinous consequences to them and to society at large.” – Thomas Sowell

Yep.
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November 13, 2023 6:58pm
Ghost

Another day, more on Andersen

Newshub can reveal there are new allegations of bullying behaviour against sitting Labour MP Ginny Andersen from a young person.

In an exclusive interview on Monday, he accused Andersen of being manipulating, nasty and making comments to body-shame people she worked with. Labour is refuting the allegations.

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November 13, 2023 8:09pm
NZer In Exile

From America Thinker website:

Why Muslim nations don’t want ‘Palestinians’

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/11/mustsee_video_why_muslim_nations_dont_want_palestinians.html
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November 13, 2023 9:49pm
- Ghost
  
  if Saint Cindy of the Ardern was still in power we’d be taking plane loads of them right now
  
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