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krazykiwi

New Zealand is moving towards handing the World Health Organisation power that should never given to foreign, unelected bureaucrats.

Read about this here, then consider signing the petition opposing this loss of sovereignty.
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November 11, 2023 8:05am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Hasn’t St Ash carried on his superb service to the people of NZ well now that he’s at the WHO?
  
  Bravo, we need to give him some more awards….//
  
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  November 11, 2023 8:07am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Absolutely, Give him more “Gongs” so we dont have any “Negative” feelings towards him as he is all “Gonged” up.//
    
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    November 11, 2023 8:15am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Give him some pearls to clutch.
    
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    November 11, 2023 9:39am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Hasn’t he come out of his shell.
      
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      November 11, 2023 10:08am
- kowtow
  
  Dreaver , tv1, making a big deal of a small Pacific nation , Tuvalu giving up its sovereignty to Oz in a new treaty.
  
  Where’s tv1 ( or any of the rest of te media pahti) on NZ , a small pacific nation giving up its sovereignty to a global unelected institution.
  
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  November 11, 2023 8:13am
- Positan
  
  If that’s the petition link, it doesn’t work.
  
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  November 11, 2023 8:21am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The link to the petition seems to be missing.
  
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  November 11, 2023 8:26am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Sorry. Try https://petitions.parliament.nz/ba284b7f-84ca-4059-0743-08dbd732584b
    
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    November 11, 2023 8:28am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      If NZ doesn’t say no then automatically in.
      Sly bastards.
      
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      November 11, 2023 8:52am
      - mawm
        
        It’s a way to give politicians an “out” later to be able to say they never signed or agreed to it.
        
        If we had a leader who would address the subject……
        
        I guess it just goes into the “basket of inconvenient truths that will not be addressed” along with all the other “Globalist” measures to take away our freedoms.
        
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        November 11, 2023 9:16am
      - septic skeptic
        
        mawm, I’m sure it’s front and centre in Winston’s coalition demands 😉
        
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        November 11, 2023 10:21am
      - Master Mariner
        
        Like all UN Conventions, It will come into force through “Tacit Acceptance”.
        Not always however.
        This will normally require a certain Percentage , Say 60% then given a Time frame , Say 2 years before it will be ratified etc.
        Without reading the rules regarding WHO Pandemic action, I can only surmise this is how NZ will be entered into Force into the WHO convention as all member states.
        https://www.imo.org/en/About/Conventions/Pages/default.aspx
        Although IMO, I am sure it will apply to any UN Organisation such as WHO.
        
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        November 11, 2023 10:53am
    - septic skeptic
      
      Signed.
      
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      November 11, 2023 10:18am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      At least it is going through a Select Committee then to a Minister, unlike the Captain’s call by our now gone Tyrant.
      
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      November 11, 2023 10:40am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        At least Kirsten Murfitt has seen fit to raise the issue. I’ve not heard anyone from any of the main parties even mention this undemocratic farce.
        
        Remember them by their actions.
        
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        November 12, 2023 8:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  World Health Organisation? Funny name for a Maori Tribe wanting to take over NZ in the Coup.
  
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  November 11, 2023 8:49am
- Benedict Yu
  
  From the petition:
  
  “I believe this means individual nations would surrender their sovereignty to unelected bureaucrats with discretionary powers to lockdown their citizens and economy for any international public health emergency.”
  
  I don’t follow how the WHO could force New Zealand citizens to be locked down during a pandemic. The WHO would need the power of the state, the police etc to enforce it. If the Government of the day in New Zealand just said “no we are not doing that” what could the WHO do?
  
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  November 11, 2023 9:00am
  - mawm
    
    As members of the UN we are obliged to follow their rules and they can and will enforce them by various means such as trade embargo, calling in loans or imposing higher interest rates, etc. through the Bank of International Settlements.
    
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    November 11, 2023 9:23am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      The only way the UN can apply sanctions is by way of Security Council Resolutions. There are 5 veto states in the SG.
      So basically the WHO can’t sanction states.
      
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      November 11, 2023 10:19am
      - Master Mariner
        
        https://www.mfat.govt.nz/en/peace-rights-and-security/un-sanctions/
        
        “Regarding sanctions, However will apply as above.
        New Zealanders must comply
        New Zealanders must fully comply with the regulations that implement UN sanctions. A breach of the sanctions regulations is a criminal offence. Given the wide scope of the regulations, and the penalties for non-compliance, it’s essential that anyone contemplating doing business with sanctioned countries obtains independent legal advice first.”
        
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        November 11, 2023 11:21am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Nonsense, Wayne. Unless you are hinging your argument on the word ‘apply’. As as been noted above, New Zealand could well experience sanction-like responses from other nations doing the tacit bidding of the WHO.
        
        Exit the WHO, and the UN. Do it now.
        
        These increasingly rapacious organisations seek to subjugate national sovereignty at every turn. The future under their plans is bleak, centrally managed totalitarianism and we would be well advised to reject every attempted push in that direction.
        
        I am, of course, waiting for your inevitable response that this would be “political suicide” or some such spineless flannel.
        
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        November 11, 2023 12:52pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Then what is the point of them creating this ‘pandemic treaty’ if it isn’t to wield power at a later date?
        It’s the boiling frog syndrome Wayne Mapp. We are witnessing true representative democracy being dismantled, one degree at a time. The vast majority of present (and apparently former) MPs can’t see any problem with this?
        The NZ government should be fully opposing this right NOW. Long before it gets to the stage of being accepted.
        
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        November 12, 2023 8:33am
  - Matt Long
    
    I guess, what are the sanctions the UN or WHO could apply to nation’s who opted out?
    But I think the concern is more domestic, it gives the same people the chance to repeat what they did with UNDRIP and He Puapua, and set up a draconian framework for removing rights from citizens every time the WHO presses a button.
    
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    November 11, 2023 9:38am
    - thirteenstars
      
      Not only that but the courts use these international agreements as authority in their decisions. If we’ve signed up to something, we have a responsibility to uphold it. A government would have to abandon the agreement for the court not to rely upon it.
      
      That’s where the WHO and others get their policing powers: indirectly from the countries who agree to abide by their edicts.
      
      I don’t think NZ should be signatory to any international undertakings unless they are approved by the voters directly. Every three years at election time an additional voting paper could be included listing the agreements we have been invited to participate in during the previous three years. Just tick the ones you like.
      
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      November 11, 2023 10:12am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Matt Long – it is a blatant attempt to destroy true representative democracy and the citizens of NZ should be demanding our immediate withdrawal from the WHO and any funding we give them should be instantly stopped.
      A bunch of wannabe, narcissistic, technocratic dictators.
      
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      November 12, 2023 8:37am
  - cmm
    
    “I don’t follow how the WHO could force New Zealand citizens to be locked down during a pandemic. ”
    
    It is exactly the same as the way these international organisations force us to pay carbon tax, recognise indigenous rightsetc.
    
    Our government signs up to various treaties obliging our governments to act in certain ways.
    
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    November 11, 2023 10:05am
- cmm
  
  Thanks KK.
  
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  November 11, 2023 10:02am
- krazykiwi
  
  There has been a good uptick in submissions this morning. Thanks eveyone. Please consider sending this link to your friends and family.
  
  https://petitions.parliament.nz/ba284b7f-84ca-4059-0743-08dbd732584b
  
  And send it to Shane.Reti@parliament.govt.nz. Remind him that any mandate to serve does not extend to handing sovereign decision making to WHO bureaucrats, people who are defining for themselves the power to declare a pandemic, or even a possible pandemic and to then instruct New Zealand how to respond.
  
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  November 11, 2023 12:58pm
Warren

There’s a few rumours around at the moment that obviously will have people worried with even Clare Trevett commenting about them Enemies to Frenmies are Act and NZ First double trouble for the Nats.
Coalition talks- just what areNZ First and Act up to and should National be worried, the last two days have apparently been Fruitful in terms of National being able to pull together its three- legged stool .
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November 11, 2023 8:17am
- leoj
  
  As long as part-maoris Seymour and Peters convince non-maori wimp Luxon to have a referendum on the treaty, then all is good with me.
  
  Luxon’s reluctance is clear. The wokester is gutless in standing up to Jackson and Packer threats.
  
  If Luxon succeeds, the country is in for an upsurge in maorification.
  
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  November 11, 2023 10:22am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    A Coup.
    It has been happening for 45 years because of wokesters.
    Luxon is a wokester.
    
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    November 11, 2023 10:46am
  - Warren
    
    Well you should have voted Labour then because all you have done before and after the Election has whinged about Chris Luxon and National , it is what it is that’s the cards National were dealt and you are just symisiing what has been discussed just like many of us are.
    
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    November 11, 2023 11:20am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I voted for Cameron Brewer and Party vote Act. Luxon I see as weak.
      But yes, it is what it is.
      
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      November 11, 2023 12:01pm
      - peterwn
        
        For ‘weak’ read ‘realistic’.
        
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        November 11, 2023 6:53pm
- NothingLeft
  
  “In politics, the tripod is the most unstable of all structures” Frank Herbert, Dune
  
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  November 11, 2023 10:24am
- Ghost
  
  Rumours are just the media interviewing the whiskey bottle on their desk
  
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  November 11, 2023 10:49am
- Paulus
  
  Looks as though Luxon will have to go for a Minority Government as it appears that Peters has pressured Seymour to get together to go against National’s main election positions.
  Against Peters Seymour is a boy who thinks he is being big but not really.
  When the shit hits the fan Luxon will be forced to go to the Country and Labour and Peters will get back in.
  
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  November 11, 2023 2:04pm
  - Ghost
    
    We really won’t know anything until it’s all done, until then it is mainly journalists interviewing their whiskey bottle or taking a few comments and making more out of it that it is
    
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    November 11, 2023 2:14pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Anyone think this is a good idea?

Anyone still think covid emerged in a Wuhan wet market?

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2023/11/scientists-create-chimeric-monkey-using-stem-cells-from-embryos.html
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November 11, 2023 8:21am
- imalwaysright
  
  Never,
  
  They said they euthanized the monkey after 10 days.
  I call bullshit .
  Its probably in a basement somewhere.
  It’ll be about 7feet tall, speak Chinese and proficient in unarmed combat.
  
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  November 11, 2023 10:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Are you sure it’s not under your bed?
    
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    November 11, 2023 10:47am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Yes, the bowl of rice and the banana haven’t been touched!
      
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      November 11, 2023 11:07am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        🙂
        
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        November 11, 2023 4:32pm
Chuck Bird

I am very pleased to see Seymour and Peters are talking. That can mean we get real change.
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November 11, 2023 8:28am
- pdm
  
  Maybe Chuck.
  
  I think Peters may be struggling with the fact that he is `third cab off the rank’ in this probable coalition.
  
  His usual bullying and deception may not and should not carry the weight it has in previous negotiations where he has been `the man in the middle’!!!
  
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  November 11, 2023 8:42am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I think Luxon maybe nervous that Seymour and Peters may gang up in areas where they agree. Hopefully, Seymour can first get Peters to agree to his referendum.
    
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    November 11, 2023 8:52am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      Well, that’s not a silly idea and nobody said that Seymour and Peters were stupid. It’s probably worth noting that NZ First hoovered up a lot of ACT support and probably fight for the same voter base, which explains the animosity during the campaign.
      
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      November 11, 2023 9:00am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That would be a good thing. Peters and Seymour can tell Luxon to totally get rid of the Co-Governance idea, and the current Treaty.
      Co-Governance, sound an innocent name but it is anything but.
      Appointed Maori with the power of veto is NOT Co-Governance. Maybe Luxon does not understand or does not want to understand.
      Remember Luxon, we did not vote you in as PM. The Governor General Cindy Kiro will appoint you. We just voted for change.
      
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      November 11, 2023 9:03am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Seymour supports the Treaty but not the Principles of the Treaty.
        
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        November 11, 2023 9:08am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Chuck,
        There are NO Principles in the Treaty, just Principles introduced by idiot Geoffrey Palmer in 1989. They have no defined meaning, which was the idea. Now there are additional Principles – a total of 31, that still mean nothing.
        The Treaty needs to be changed back from the rogue James Freeman post 1975 version to the 1840 Henry Littlewood version.
        It is a simple document that has been hijacked and corrupted to create a Gravy Train. NZ has been living these lies for nearly 50 years.
        Two generations – that is why Maori get so angry. Post Waitangi Tribunal Treaty version is all they know.
        
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        November 11, 2023 9:59am
      - Burtland
        
        Has Willie defined what co-governance is yet? And yet he’s prepared to go to war over it. Cindy promised a discussion with the “vanilla” folk on it in 2022 – still waiting
        
        seems the definition is similar to treaty principles – another Palmer mess
        
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        November 11, 2023 12:00pm
    - Paulus
      
      Seymour cannot persuade Peters to do anything he does not want.
      He is an amateur.
      Shane Jones wants his millions of koha first.
      
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      November 11, 2023 2:08pm
  - Rodney Hide
    
    Hi PDM
    
    I am not so sure he is third cab off the rank. Back in 2008 Prime Minister John Key had both Act and the Māori Party for support. He only needed one or the other to have the similar majority required to pass legislation. That allowed him to zig-zag left and right.
    
    Mr Luxon needs both Act and Nz1. I would call one urban liberal and the other social conservative as a short cut description to their policy difference. But they are both to the right of National and more radical on, say, race based preferences, and welfare, and in general. They are not having to straddle the middle voters as Mr Luxon must and is his want to do.
    
    There is no zig-zag here. Only zag. And Mr Peters and Mr Seymour are well smart enough to figure that out.
    
    Rodney Hide
    
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    November 11, 2023 9:09am
    - Vinicius
      
      These are really good points.
      
      A lot of the commentariat both in the MSM and on political blogs such as here at KB has been about Peters and Seymour disliking each other. Politics frequently has some rather unlikely partnerships. I would never see a political bromance between Peters and Seymour but there are numerous policy areas where they have a common interest that will override personal considerations.
      
      Re the MSM, a lot of the comment and opinion doesn’t allow for the fact that politics is many shades of grey and not just black and white. One who falls into seeing politics as B & W too often is Heather du Plessis-Allan. It is much more complex .
      
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      November 11, 2023 9:26am
    - pdm
      
      Thanks Rodney – a good perspective.
      
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      November 11, 2023 9:34am
- lastmanstanding
  
  I agree with Chuck. If ACT and NZF can get their shit together they will put a break on the Nats wokeness and force them to dial back on the climate change scam and put a spine in the Nats to face up and deal with the race problem this country faces. The Maori and other Elites must be put back in their box and the lid shut. They must not be allowed to dictate as they have done for the past 6 years.
  BTW I just love how the MSM are interviewing themselves with nothing coming out of the talks between the 3 Parties. After 6 years of a Government that treated the MSM as its Propoganda Department it is a pleasant change. Time the MSM got the message that they report the news and accurately they dont make it up to suit their agendas.
  
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  November 11, 2023 9:05am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not just the lid shut. Locked – forever.
    
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    November 11, 2023 10:50am
  - Burtland
    
    NZF are a populist party – there is no spine – youre confusing that with what you want to hear. Theyre just an octopus continuously changing its colours to suit the political environment. There will be no referendum.
    
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    November 11, 2023 12:16pm
    - Ghost
      
      Theyre just an octopus continuously changing its colours to suit the political environment.
      
      Which is what political parties do. A perfect example is in the last weeks of the campaign Seymour realised he needed to get votes so tried to appeal to the protest vote
      
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      November 11, 2023 12:22pm
Paulus

Let us not forget today is Armistice Day for which we should all remember.
They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun, and in the morning,
We will remember them.

We will remember them.
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November 11, 2023 8:30am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  https://nzhistory.govt.nz/war/armistice-day
  
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  November 11, 2023 10:58am
- Master Mariner
  
  Absolutely Paulus, I hope there is no demonstrations in UK, Still 12 hrs to go .
  
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  November 11, 2023 11:00am
- Sparrow
  
  KOHIMA EPITAPH
  
  When you go home tell them of us
  and say for your tomorrow we
  gave our today
  
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  November 11, 2023 12:09pm
  - Jack5
    
    That epitaph you quoted, Sparrow, was so impressive (and thank you) I used it as a test of the “AI” touted in the Bing Internet-search engine.
    
    The epitaph was written by John Maxwell Edmonds, a British poet and dramatist. As you note, it commemorates the Indian and British killed at the Battle of Kohima, in north-east India, in April 1944.
    
    Edmonds’s Wikipedia entry says this epitaph was inspired by an epigram of the Greek poet Simonides of Ceos to the fallen at the Battle of Thermopylae.
    
    Kohima was the scene of a stand against Japanese troops that ended their invasion drive into India.
    
    Among New Zealanders and Australians — and, likely, Americans — Guadalcanal and the fighting in PNG are better known as turning points of the war against Japan. In my humble, everyday bloke’s view, the real nut-cracking of the Japanese military machine was done by US Navy carriers and submarines and then by the A bombs.
    
    The Bing search engine’s touted new artificial intelligence, I found, is helpful and makes branching internet searches a little quicker.
    
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    November 11, 2023 5:35pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Having served 12 years in Military service , including operations in a war zone. It is always a day of reflection.
  like ANZAC day.
  
  This is for all servicemen and women no matter ethnicity or religious beliefs or country of origin.
  
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  November 11, 2023 2:44pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    125 years ago, but still respected.
    
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    November 11, 2023 4:36pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      105 years, Steve. 11.11.1918.
      
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      November 11, 2023 5:04pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That was a fuckup wasn’t it Don – and I am good with numbers!
        I think Jack may have interfered.
        
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        November 11, 2023 6:32pm
Bridgenag

of masks and masquarades
how pushing the idea of “duty” onto others engenders rage and helplessness

“masks are trying to make a comeback.

despite the absolutely staggering amount of data refuting the idea that they work to stop any kind of respiratory virus (or even bacteria), it just will not go away.

i think it’s always going to be with us. the damage was too deep and there is a certain sort of person who is just never going to let it go.

because this was their happy place.”

https://boriquagato.substack.com/?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=pub&utm_medium=web
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November 11, 2023 8:42am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Speaking of mask wearing, I have seen articles on the presence of plastic fibre in lungs and micro plastic in the blood, attributed to mask wearing. Does mask wearing have the potential to create another form of lung disease? Time will tell.
  
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  November 11, 2023 9:53am
  - cmm
    
    Good point.
    
    Plastic fibres in the lungs could possibly cause asbestos-like issues. It will take years for this to come out though.
    
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    November 11, 2023 10:10am
    - RichardX
      
      Yes…because medical staff never wore similar masks for extended periods of time prior to the pandemic//
      
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      November 11, 2023 11:00am
      - mawm
        
        I have wondered about the “quality” of the masks ever since I saw a video of a backstreet operation in India churning out “surgical” masks.
        
        What fabric were they using? Was there a standard to what was an acceptable surgical mask during the pandemic?
        
        Hospitals must have some standard over what has been used in the past to prevent infections during surgery, so I’d say that the two are not comparable.
        
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        November 11, 2023 11:38am
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        As I understand it fibre fragmentation increases with time. Medical staff are meant to change their masks frequently – approximately every 20 minutes. Highly unusual for them to wear one mask for 3 – 6 hours like many school children were expected to nor do they put it in the pocket after use and wear again the next day.
        
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        November 11, 2023 12:03pm
      - Ghost
        
        Here’s one of the companies whose Australian made masks are sold in nz
        
        https://softmed.com.au/
        
        Here is another of the companies whose australian made masks are sold here
        
        https://aerohealthcare.com/
        
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        November 11, 2023 12:13pm
      - kevn
        
        richard… You might mean the surgical masks worn in theatre ‘during surgery’ to catch the splatter during ops.
        
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        November 11, 2023 1:19pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Not too mention the enviromental waste whilst disposing of these.
    
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    November 11, 2023 10:46am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The roof of my house has asbestos. New roof a few years bac. Just had the guys lay green batts over it.
      Asbestos is fine if you leave it alone.
      
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      November 11, 2023 11:01am
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Asbestos is fine unless the fibres become loose. Factory roof I worked in started shedding fibres pretty badly during big storms. After getting the professionals in to do a major cleanup the owner realised it was time to replace it.
        
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        November 11, 2023 12:06pm
      - Ghost
        
        One of the smaller towns down here had asbestos in their town water supply
        
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        November 11, 2023 12:14pm
- Grumpy Silver Haired Female
  
  I know people, friends and acquaintances, that is, whose understanding of infection vectors is minimal and whose fear of the deadly virus is to me, irrational. This is based on their lack of knowledge of science, their blind acceptance of the ‘podium of truth’ ( excuse me while I throw up) and a weird need to find something to be anxious about. I believe, however, that we are rational beings who are willing and able to take responsibility for ourselves. But, The Greater Good is an evolutionary imperative that has been reconstructed to manipulate populations over many years. The entire pandemic is the latest manifestation of this political tool.
  
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  November 11, 2023 12:59pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    HL Menekin – hobgoblins
    
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    November 11, 2023 5:48pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

You just can’t keep a grifter down.

Wellington City is drowning in debt, with massive future liabilities for pipes & earthquake strengthening. Selling our one easily severable asset (airport shares) to pay down debt is a no-brainer.

Not for Tory. Oh no. She wants the sale proceeds to go into a ‘green investment fund’, aka a money well so her green friends can continue to suck on the public tit for cycle ways and other such things.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/502097/public-will-get-say-on-wellington-council-selling-airport-shares
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November 11, 2023 8:44am
- nathie
  
  Time to roll in the Commissioners to manage the WCC!
  
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  November 11, 2023 10:29am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Should have been there years ago. Greens are destroying the planet.
    
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    November 11, 2023 11:03am
  - Paulus
    
    Anybody who thinks that Commissioners are the answer want there heads read.
    Look at the destruction, in the name of progress, that Tauranga has been reduced to a rubble city by twice appointed Commissioners by Mahuta.
    It is a ghost city with closures and bankruptcies (except Council employees) that has happened.
    After over 20 years here it is a disgrace and very sad to what was a lovely place to live.
    
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    November 11, 2023 2:18pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      I agree about Tauranga, Paulus, having lived here for 35 years after returning from a 10 year stint in Oz. But I daresay the Green mayor Tori is has/is about to demolish Wokington to a greater degree.
      The Nat. led govt. should appoint a right of centre commissioner – not like we have with Tolley, who changed her spots when she was appointed.
      
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      November 11, 2023 5:00pm
- cmm
  
  “Green investment fund”.
  
  Let’s be honest. It is a spending fund – not an investment fund.
  
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  November 11, 2023 10:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Just easier access for the leeches.
    
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    November 11, 2023 11:04am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yep. Pop down the road too Blackrocks office for ESG green investment fund of choice.//
    
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    November 11, 2023 4:30pm
- Burtland
  
  so Wellington has no intention of paying for its 3waters liabilities – net tax payers will wear it.
  
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  November 11, 2023 12:24pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The seems to be quite a bit of vote recounting.
To me, the numbers should come back exactly the same. If they don’t, someone has not done their job or is cheating.
Perfect example would be Helen White/Melissa Lee. Melissa Lee behind by 107 but now only 20. So 80 instances of mis-counting. How come?
Imagine trying to run a business with people who can not balance the float at the end of the day.
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November 11, 2023 8:46am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Steve. It wasn’t miscounting that reduced the election night majority from 107 to 20. It was the special votes that were counted and added after the election night.
  
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  November 11, 2023 9:02am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Sounds legit, but I am not too sure.
    
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    November 11, 2023 11:06am
- MCōs
  
  The official result gave White a 20 vote lead over Lee
  Where did 107 come from? Was that the preliminary result?
  Let’s see what the recount throws up.
  
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  November 11, 2023 9:19am
  - hullkiwi
    
    107 was the preliminary Election night result.
    
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    November 11, 2023 10:58am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    If the special votes came up with 87 more votes for Lee.
    To me that means the preliminary votes need to be recounted.
    Doe not pass the sniff test.
    
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    November 11, 2023 11:09am
- Biscuit
  
  Steve, seems to me that the Electoral Commission should be focussing less on insisting its counters have a grasp of the Treaty of Waitangi and somewhat more on only employing staff who CAN count.
  
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  November 11, 2023 9:22am
  - pdm
    
    …………Treaty of Waitangi and somewhat more on only employing staff who CAN count.
    
    Biscuit maybe the counting has to be done in Te Reo and like me they cannot count past 4 in Te Reo.
    
    Actually I can count to 10 in Fijian and 5 in Hindi so should I offer to help because of my diversity in languages.
    
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    November 11, 2023 9:40am
    - Biscuit
      
      I spent two years in Singapore/Malaysia, pdm, as a 15-16 years old. Can still count to 10 in Malay – satu, dua, tiga, empat, lima stop showing off Biscyit!
      
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      November 11, 2023 11:31am
  - kowloon
    
    employing staff who CAN count…….
    the majority of the people in NZ who have been taught HOW TO count, are now too old to spend a fortnight checking bits of paper for accuracy.
    
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    November 11, 2023 10:54am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Must be that common core being taught.
      I just looked at Youtube. There are some real fuckwits explaining common core.
      Fuck! We are doomed I tell you, doomed!
      
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      November 11, 2023 4:45pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So the vote counters were counting in Maori because of the Treaty? Maybe!
    
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    November 11, 2023 11:10am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “To me, the numbers should come back exactly the same. ”
  
  Not really. In recounts there is a focus on informal votes.
  
  If you look at Mount Albert, there were 429 informal votes:
  
  https://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2023/electorate-details-24.html
  
  An informal vote could be blank, or have a picture of mickey mouse. It could also have an ambiguous marking with the ‘tick’ not clearly attributed to a candidate. These will come under scrutiny.
  
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  November 11, 2023 9:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Just over 26 thousand voters and 429 informal?
    That seems very high. Can the Mt Albert people not tick two boxes?
    A 5 year old could do it ffs.
    
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    November 11, 2023 11:14am
    - Burtland
      
      ticking a box is a colonial construct //
      
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      November 11, 2023 12:28pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        How about a thumbprint?
        
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        November 11, 2023 6:36pm
- Ghost
  
  You are confusing yourself Steve. The 103 was on election night, that was before any special were counted. Special were counted and the final results dropped it to 20. No evidence of miscounting, it was the specials added to the count.
  
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  November 11, 2023 9:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I know it was before the specials. But an 87 or 83 gain for Lee means the preliminaries need to ne recounted to me.
    Does not pass the sniff test.
    Wonder how many special votes there were?
    
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    November 11, 2023 11:17am
    - MCōs
      
      Probably 8-9k
      
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      November 11, 2023 2:11pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Do you know MCos?
        I really would like to know how many special votes, or is it an Electoral Commission secret?
        
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        November 11, 2023 4:47pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  The electoral counts will never be perfect. People manually entering data onto pieces of paper then other people entering that data into a computer. Inevitably there will be errors. I would be interested to know how they try and make that more robust. Do they have a team counting and checking together as they go or two separate teams collating the data and then check to see that the same result has been achieved? One things for sure, some people will make more errors than others and how well trained the people are will make a huge difference to the outcome. I read on here prior to the election they were struggling with the staffing. That doesn’t sound like a great place to be in to have everyone well trained.
  
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  November 11, 2023 12:17pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Rubbish. It is simple counting. Entering data should be the same as votes provided.
    Why is that so hard? Errors my left tit. How do you get a job like counting when you can’t count ffs?
    Does not matter if it is thousands or millions. Counting is not that hard to do.
    
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    November 11, 2023 5:29pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Ever found you have been overcharged or undercharged when shopping? Counting is easy but being perfect isn’t.
      
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      November 11, 2023 7:54pm
CJames

Was there a different count (miscounting), or were special votes previously allowed, disallowed? For example those who enrolled on the day of voting. That practice for all those who didn’t have their 18th birthday that week always seem dodgy.
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November 11, 2023 9:01am
- cmm
  
  The idea that you need special votes for the people who turn 18 on election day is massively broken.
  
  This issue could be easily solved by allowing 17 year olds to register as voters, but only allow them to vote if they are 18.
  
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  November 11, 2023 10:13am
  - Grumpy Silver Haired Female
    
    How many peole turn 18 on election day? 50?
    
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    November 11, 2023 1:03pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

This is a shrewd move. By offering residency to 11,000 people Australia has in effect secured rights to hundreds of thousands of square miles of sea, plus a port facility.

NZ should do something similar.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-67340907
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November 11, 2023 9:12am
- cmm
  
  Shrewed move? Maybe not.
  
  Australia have not annexed Tuvalu. Tuvalu retains sovereignty, so there is no change to Australian international waters.
  
  All they have is a residence agreement similar to the one they already have with NZ allowing automatic residence for citizens of Tuvalu.
  
  And they have been tapped for a AUD17M handout – with many more likely to follow.
  
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  November 11, 2023 10:20am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    First steps, CMM. Once the place is underwater, the boots-on-the-ground (as it were) facts change. In 100 years, it might be quite different. First mover advantage.
    
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    November 11, 2023 1:24pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  NZ should do something similar.
  
  NZ did do something similar.
  
  I think we had an agreement with Tuvalu back in 2002 to take in their folk.
  
  We do have a Partnership with them to help with their economy
  
  https://www.mfat.govt.nz/assets/Aid/4YPs-2021-24/Tuvalu-4YP.pdf
  
  Looks like Tuvalu has found a more generous benefactor.
  
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  November 11, 2023 11:03am
- Master Mariner
  
  “Under the agreement, Australia has committed to defending the Pacific nation from military aggression, and Tuvalu has agreed it will not enter defence pacts with any other countries without Australia’s approval”,
  
  Usual smoke and mirrors under the guise of Climate change.
  
  The real reason in my mind at least is too secure Borders.
  
  Either Aus or China will fill the void. A bit of a mad race in the Pacific to lock in Island nations, Not too mention voting rights at the UN for smaller Island Nations.
  
  Look at PNG voting with China ( Sorry cant remeber what for ).
  
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  November 11, 2023 11:07am
- Cassandra
  
  NZ’s system is a bit different. Only 75 a year. We could allow the whole population in and solve the problem. Only 11,000 and there’s 4,000 in Auckland already. Make Tuvalu part of NZ and get an Ocean. But then we’d need a navy………………..
  
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  November 11, 2023 12:22pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump Trial should be ended immediately – Laura Loomer.
She called out Judge Arthur Engoron’s wife, then called the Judge live on air.

https://www.rvmnews.com/2023/11/trump-trial-should-be-ended-immediately-over-this-report-from-laura-loomer-video/?
Judge Engoron is one of the crookedest Judges ever. Not there is no Jury, just the Judge. How can this happen?

https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1722242973457694739

https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1722241605724442929

https://rumble.com/v3ud577-nyc-judge-who-gagged-trump-exposed-rep.-george-santos-shares-loomer-report-.html
(3 hrs, but worth skipping through)
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November 11, 2023 9:17am
- virtualmark
  
  Nope.
  
  It wasn’t the Judge’s wife. Just someone else with the same surname (Engoron) as the judge.
  
  Loomer is continuing to push this because she assumes Trumpkins will prefer to be lied to and feel outraged, rather than be told the truth.
  
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  November 11, 2023 8:12pm
I remember when

Public Transport in the US.
“How we commute now”: NY Times.
People are driving more and driving faster, taking public transit less often and, on average, facing shorter commutes.
They found that the average American commute was about 27 minutes, about a minute faster than in 2019.
Those who commute by public transit spend roughly twice as much time travelling to and from work as people who drive.
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November 11, 2023 9:19am
Philview

Chris Hipkins will be sworn in as Prime Minister on Sunday. In many countries this would be seen as a strange electoral system.
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November 11, 2023 9:21am
- pdm
  
  ` In many countries this would be seen as a strange electoral system.’
  
  After 27 years most New Zealanders surely see it that way. I do.
  
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  November 11, 2023 9:42am
- Grumpy Silver Haired Female
  
  Who?
  
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  November 11, 2023 1:06pm
MCōs

Twenty degrees in Auckland again today.
When will the heatwave end?
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November 11, 2023 9:22am
- Benedict Yu
  
  25 degrees in Christchurch tomorrow and the following two days 🙂
  
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  November 11, 2023 9:27am
- Biscuit
  
  MCōs, we’re only expecting 17 tops here in Upper Hutt.
  
  I’m a bit worried, mind: I am proposing to go watch a friend’s lad play Cricket but, even though the sky is cloudless, I see my Weather App reckons there’s a 1% chance of rain.
  
  Backside-covering, you think?
  
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  November 11, 2023 9:27am
  - mandk
    
    Met Service is saying 19 degrees and light winds for Hutt Superior.
    
    The weather here is way better than in Wellington.
    
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    November 11, 2023 10:04am
- Ghost
  
  Heatwave? Lucky you. Snow on the shills behind us.
  
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  November 11, 2023 9:33am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Wouldn’t be many times that there is no snow on Mt Cook.
    
    Or were you meaning other hills?
    
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    November 11, 2023 9:59am
    - Ghost
      
      No. Not Mount Cook. The hills around timaru
      
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      November 11, 2023 10:03am
- pdm
  
  18 predicted in Hastings today after a couple of 17s.
  
  Probably a frost in some areas of HB this morning. As my father used to say – you always get a frost or two in November.
  
  We want some Global Warming.
  
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  November 11, 2023 9:43am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Nice to hear the NZ weather in English for a change – I actually recognize the locations.
    
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    November 11, 2023 10:30am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Long may it last.
      
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      November 11, 2023 11:32am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  20C in Auckland in November is a heatwave? You missed the sarc tag.
  Long may these comfortable temperatures continue.
  
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  November 11, 2023 10:59am
  - Grumpy Silver Haired Female
    
    A conversation about the weather on Kiwiblog. Really?
    
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    November 11, 2023 1:07pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Actually Mcos the remarkable thing about the Auckland weather today is the lack of precipitation not the temperature. The long dry summer is here … but I expect it could be short lived.
  
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  November 11, 2023 12:20pm
- Ra Henare
  
  A low of 25 here overnight, wet season is coming to an end with overnight downpour.
  
  Endless sunny and warm days can be a bit boring I do admit!
  
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  November 11, 2023 2:54pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    So you are in………..ummm……….London ? //
    
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    November 11, 2023 4:52pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      Siem Reap, Cambodia
      
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      November 12, 2023 12:39am
Southern Raider

Can anyone provide a relevant reason why the UN shouldn’t be taken to the international criminal court for financing terrorism and war crimes?

There is absolutely zero chance that the UN at all levels knew Hamas was taking aid money and
– funnelling it into personal bank accounts
– spending a higher % of aid money on concrete and other tunnel making products than any humanitarian programme
– had 300km of tunnels with key command points under every major hospital
– taught anti semitic hate in every UN funded school etc

???
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November 11, 2023 9:23am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Just reinforcing the basement of the hospital – strong foundations are important, you know.
  
  And tunnels between them – if it’s good enough for Montreal then it’s good enough for Gaza! Global warming could see snow arrive practically any time.
  
  Any more questions?
  
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  November 11, 2023 5:55pm
Jack5

Now, and then …

In Stuff, a paragraph linking to a story reads: “Oral sex: how to love giving as much as receiving.”

Also in Stuff, an obituary of Fred Tullett a firewire former editor of the Southland Times, refers to his stint on the weekly “NZ Truth”.

It includes:

” … Truth, which upright New Zealanders wouldn’t have in the house. But it was selling 230,000 copies a week, by virtue, if that’s the word, of a combination of sex stories and serious reporting.

The street posters of old Truth, though often witty, would be insipid — too bland to sell papers today.

The obituary of Fred Tullett, an “old-school” newspaperman:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/obituaries/133255747/life-story-fred-tulett-a-titan-of-oldschool-journalism
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November 11, 2023 9:23am
- pdm
  
  Karl du Fresne has an excellent post on Fred Tullet at his blog.
  
  Just google Karl’s name to go there – I don’t have his okay to provide a link.
  
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  November 11, 2023 9:48am
  - All_on_Red
    
    It would be good if DPF could include Karl’s Blog amongst the ‘Links’ on the right.
    Karl writes well.
    
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    November 11, 2023 10:08am
    - Jack5
      
      The link to Karl du Fresne’s blog is:
      
      https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/
      
      The first article, the one before the Fred Tulett piece, is well worth reading, too. It’s about Karl du Fresne refusing to back down in a confrontation with the “NBR”.
      
      Hurray! Hurray! for Karl du Fresne standing his ground.
      
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      November 11, 2023 10:58am
ecco

That’s terrible that that elderly chinese couple got violently murdered in Ellerslie. There seem to be far too many acts like this happening in Auckland (and NZ) lately, and regularly relating to new immigrants. I surmise it is over money. Money lending and loan shark activity and the like. What else could it be? They look like a regular couple just trying to find a better life.

I just wonder what kind of screening process is going on at NZ Immigration to see such an increase in these terrible acts. It can only be over money. Whoever is the perpetrator should have never have been allowed into the country. We do not settle feuds in this country by stabbing people to death.
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November 11, 2023 9:26am
- Ghost
  
  I’ve yet to see anything that says this couple are new immigrants. Obviously being a highly respected orthopaedic nurse they have been here for a while. Perhaps you should wait for facts to come out before deciding who killed them and why.
  
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  November 11, 2023 9:41am
  - Ghost
    
    Actually in this article you can see the flowers that a friend of his that worked with him for 15 years laid.
    
    Article
    
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    November 11, 2023 10:01am
- NothingLeft
  
  Seems they’ve been here for decades. In my books they are kiwis.
  
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  November 11, 2023 10:33am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What is strange is Mei Han Chong’s body found in Greenhithe and the car found in Hall Rd Glenfield. It had different rego plates. Then the man charged was arrested in Hamilton.
  
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  November 11, 2023 11:38am
- ecco
  
  Point taken. Probably jumped to conclusions of who the perpetrator might be. Might also have been a home invasion by some drug adled feral roaming the streets, since the accused appeared barefoot in court.
  
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  November 11, 2023 4:40pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The Ultimate MAGA Ticket for 2024?
This does make perfect sense, but it would mean not so many shows.

https://www.thepoliticalglobe.com/the-ultimate-maga-ticket-in-2024-trump-considers-tucker-carlson-as-potential-running-mate/?
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November 11, 2023 9:37am
Ghost

Police car vandalised at New York Palestine protests

Twitter

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November 11, 2023 9:48am
MCōs

It’s interesting that that tmo in cricket is far less controversial than either rugby or football.
Another interesting thing is how much the behaviour has improved since the IPL came along. The players from opposing sides are just as likely to have been in the same franchise team somewhere round the world so they’re all mates & don’t slag each other off like they used to in the ‘good’ old days.
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November 11, 2023 10:16am
- septic skeptic
  
  I think the NZ team under McCullum led the way for international teams. When Fleming was captain he thought they needed to get better at sledging to catch up. For sure IPL made a big difference, but teams also noticed the contrast between playing NZ and the loathsome Australians.
  
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  November 11, 2023 10:36am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

David Seymour on the referendum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHwsolEXPKI&t=68s
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November 11, 2023 10:25am
- Inandout
  
  SO, the first step must be to curtail the Maori funding which flows like a torrent but must be reduced to a trickle eventually. Slowly, slowly catchee monkey.
  
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  November 11, 2023 12:36pm
  - artemisia
    
    Taxpayer funding needs to be accompanied by clear and relevant contracted outcomes. It has become clear that reporting against outcomes (if any) has not, shall we say, been robust.
    
    The last 6 years has been an ideal opportunity to prepare, and I doubt the time has been frittered away.
    
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    November 11, 2023 1:53pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Racism on a grand scale. We do not hear the words “New Zealand” on TV.
A slow but sure way of ensuring the Coup. Wake up!

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/peters-says-no-to-seymours-treaty-referendum-but-2/
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November 11, 2023 10:36am
- Jack5
  
  The push to force a name change on New Zealand by non-democratic stealth is led by:
  
  — The bloc of State-owned and State-subsidised news media.
  
  — By civil-servant bureaucrats, high on waiata and kia ora phone answering. These people, mainly Wellingtonians, are forcing citizens to use Maori names for Government departments.
  
  — By a swathe of the academic community. The same folk who, by the thousand, ran a witch-hunt against seven professors who dared challenge the Woke notion that Maori knowledge is science.
  
  – By radical Maori activists.
  
  – By Woke supporters like those who, ignoring the fact that St John Ambulance carries that name in NZ by statute, are trying to force a name change to one in Maori loan-words from English.
  
  It’s astonishing that there even is a vigorous campaign to change the country’s name surreptitiously into a language that 95 per cent of the country’s citizens do not speak.
  
  If you are speaking Maori, “Aotearoa” is appropriate. In English the name is “New Zealand”.
  
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  November 11, 2023 11:12am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    If I get any “Kia ora” answers I immediately inform them that I speak English, so please speak to me in English. Upsets a few, but no skin off my nose.
    I don’t care for mumbo jumbo.
    
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    November 11, 2023 11:44am
  - Burtland
    
    surprising Ngai Tahu are putting up with this – they were once demanding Aotearoa and Te Waipounamu on passports.
    
    what happened to Nu Tireni ?
    
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    November 11, 2023 12:48pm
  - Swifty
    
    One small point Jack5 – Aotearoa was never the Maori name for New Zealand. It was, at best, the name used by some Maori for the North Island.
    
    When someone asserts that Aotearoa is the Maori name for New Zealand, they are either deliberately lying or embarrassingly ignorant.
    
    What it is is a modern invention masquerading as an historical fact.
    
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    November 11, 2023 1:24pm
    - MCōs
      
      The name New Zealand goes back to 1770. Before that it was Nieuw Zeeland, which you don’t hear anymore
      Aotearoa came into use about eighty years later
      The country was also known as Maoriland for a period of time, but it didn’t stick.
      A few people will be pleased about that
      In my first passport the country is also referred to as Nouvelle Zelande
      Thailand, quite obviously is not the name used by Thais. It’s Prathet Thai or often colloquially Siam
      India is also known as Bhārat and so on
      
      In 1868 the woksters of Rhodes Town and the adjacent Government Town amalgamated and called the city Timaru; a Māori name nobody knows the meaning of!!
      
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      November 11, 2023 3:02pm
Master Mariner

A thought provoking interview with Israeli Journalist regarding the inaction of IDF during Hamas Terrorist attacks.

“Journalist Efrat Fenigson served in the Israeli army herself and has some inconvenient questions. How could Hamas breach the Israeli border so easily? And why were they left unimpeded for hours? “A cat walking along the fence activates all the troops. So this?”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLwSThfxQ04
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November 11, 2023 10:57am
- Jack5
  
  Here’s an article suggesting the Israeli military’s over-reliance on technology is a flaw in the country’s defence. (You generally can read one article at this site before the paywall goes up).
  
  https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/10/26/israel-hamas-gaza-military-idf-technology-surveillance-fence-strategy-ground-war/
  
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  November 11, 2023 11:23am
  - Inandout
    
    Jack, their technology cannot be faulted with the Iron Dome because without it Israel would be under constant bombing. After Oct 7th well the Israeli slaughter happened and there could be only one reply and that was to eliminate Hamas. ‘The terror group’s three top leaders alone are worth a staggering $11 billion between them and enjoy a life of luxury in the sanctuary of the emirate of Qatar’. NYT
    Mossad will make sure those three men are looking over their shoulders because they will be found and eliminated.
    
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    November 11, 2023 12:32pm
Chuck Bird

Did anyone watch the third GOP debate where Nicki Haley referred to Ramaswamy as scum?
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November 11, 2023 11:14am
- Inandout
  
  CB, he was referring to Haley’s daughter using tik tok (a Chinese company under government rules). I thought children of US politicians were not off limits, or is Trump an exception?
  
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  November 11, 2023 12:24pm
cmm

A very interesting take on why Islam is the worst religion.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/gyJuAL3A1Wg
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November 11, 2023 11:15am
Flossie

Anyone else fed up with every second item on TV news (well TV1 at least) being prefaced with …”and just a warning. Some viewers may find the following upsetting”. For heavens sake just say right at the outset “News is not nice…don’t view if you’re easily upset”!
The we get the complete opposite with fluffy little pieces about magazine style content. Often something advertorial about them too.
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November 11, 2023 11:47am
- septic skeptic
  
  Not fed up, never hear it. Gave up that habit many years ago.
  
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  November 11, 2023 12:08pm
- Inandout
  
  Flossie, I also smile at those woke warnings to keep petals safely cocooned.
  Imagine the TV news in the 1960s warning us that viewers may find the Vietnam war footage ‘upsetting’?
  
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  November 11, 2023 12:18pm
- Grumpy Silver Haired Female
  
  Fed up with TV news. Don’t watch it. It isn’t news, it’s infotainment. I get all the news I need etc etc.
  
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  November 11, 2023 1:13pm
- Burtland
  
  For the 50 families of the Mosque shootings the media are knowingly feasting on their grief – the hollow warnings and apologies just make it worse.
  
  Will the media ever let it go.
  
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  November 11, 2023 1:15pm
  - MCōs
    
    Do they report on the coronial inquiry or not?
    This was the biggest mass murder in NZ going back to the nineteenth century
    
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    November 11, 2023 1:49pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  ‘Upsetting is the dorks who present it.
  Oh, my 13 year old might see this.
  FFS.
  
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  November 11, 2023 6:20pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnnOLame8Dw

MTG always puts everything out there with explanation and in a way that the normal person can make sense of it. She’s a no nonsense leader for the people.
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November 11, 2023 12:16pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJMuWGd0RuQ
Please Explain Recessions Replay.
Did you know Australia is experiencing a per-capita recession? This means the average GDP for everyday Aussies has declined for two consecutive quarters.

In fact, according to the Australian Financial Review, “Aussie households suffered the largest fall in living standards of any advanced economy over the past year.”

So, are we headed for a full recession as well? That’s a good question, and it’s one we looked at earlier in the year.

We’ll be back with brand new episodes soon so get ready to finish off the year with a bang.
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November 11, 2023 12:17pm
- Jack5
  
  Australia’s GDP per capita will still be much higher than NZ’s.
  
  At present the GDP per capita ranking in the world is: Australia 30th, NZ 42nd.
  
  Our GDP per capita will take a pounding as well, given the surge in immigration we’ve just had.
  
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  November 11, 2023 1:49pm
  - sungsamning
    
    Yes, I agree. No surprises there.
    
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    November 11, 2023 6:29pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

When will the Govt look into this?
The Royal Charter dated the 16 November 1840 superseded the Treaty of Waitangi and this is the day all New Zealanders should be celebrating as it united the country under one flag and one law.

http://onenzfoundation.co.nz/articles/queen-victorias-royal-charter/politicians-must-honour-the-royal-charter/#
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November 11, 2023 12:19pm
Pineapple Lumps

Ever noticed how quickly a certain group of people scream cultural misappropriation if symbols of their culture are used by other groups but are happy to appropriate the cultural symbols of others?

Ever noticed how quick this group is to blame colonisation for their woes but are happy to indulge in all the good things that colonisation has given them?

Yet we constantly hear that they value more than others generosity and hospitality to all people. How wonderful the world would be if only they were in control etc etc etc

When you look at the gulf between reality and the marketing you have to ask, who is paying for all of this PR and why?
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November 11, 2023 12:34pm
- herb1
  
  Tattles are a great example . Most I’ve seen are predominantly made up of letters from the English alphabet.
  
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  November 11, 2023 1:26pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Who is paying? for that certain group you mention?
  Just ask, and be prepared to be branded “RACIST”
  
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  November 11, 2023 6:25pm
Master Mariner

Whoops down ticked by mistake.
Yep agree. However asbsetos doesnt end up in the river like masks.
Worlds biggest rivers are littered with these.
Where are the Greens ?
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November 11, 2023 12:50pm
- Inandout
  
  MM, silent, just like they used to shout Big Pharma the Pfizer appeared.
  
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  November 11, 2023 1:57pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  So are mall carparks, even now.
  There are rubbish bins, but nope, throw it in the ground.
  
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  November 11, 2023 3:37pm
Burtland

In 2020, the police response to the Christchurch Mosque shootings was “exemplary”
– seems Deputy Chief Coroner Windley didnt get copied in on the dictum from Costner and Cindy.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/09/christchurch-shooting-police-response-to-attack-exemplary-review-finds
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November 11, 2023 1:22pm
Chuck Bird

Unfortunately, Alan Jones is no longer on Sky News.

“Hamas is a genocidal movement” – Alan Jones editorial and Walt Secord interview on ADH-TV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHrFLYZ8VU0
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November 11, 2023 2:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

So the Bidens are not crooks?
This Joe Biden is POTUS and people still want to vote for him?

https://thepatriotpoll.com/uniondailypost/comer-offers-proof-of-bidens-money-laundering-scheme-with-the-chinese/?
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November 11, 2023 2:48pm
Jack5

Iceland rocking …

The 4,000 or so people in the Iceland fishing town of Grinkdavik have been told to prepare for evacuation because of fears of volcanic eruption.

Since late October, 24,000 tremors have been registered on a peninsula just north of Grindavik, with a swarm of nearly 800 quakes between midnight and 3am today NZ time.

The Iceland Meteorological Office (IMO) said a few hours ago that seismic activity had moved towards Grinkavik.

However, the IMO says the most likely scenario now is that it will take several days (rather than hours) for magma to reach the surface.

You can follow the Iceland shakes directly from the IMO here:

https://en.vedur.is/about-imo/news/a-seismic-swarm-started-north-of-grindavik-last-night
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November 11, 2023 3:15pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  “Climate Change!” is making this sort of thing worse, don’t you know.
  Here’s a link to some nonsense written a wee while back claiming that we’re causing more eruptions.
  There is nothing that “Climate Change!” cannot do!
  https://www.preventionweb.net/news/volcano-erupting-again-iceland-climate-change-causing-more-eruptions#:~:text=Magma%20generation%20beneath%20Iceland%20is,and%20cold%20glacial%20melt%20water.
  
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  November 12, 2023 7:25pm
Rich Prick

Wokeies, not one of them would last a day in any Islamic shithole. Especially the pink and blue haired ones. And yes as per usual, one got hurt feelings and it’s everyone else’s fault.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/133276725/protest-group-believe-they-were-let-down-by-auckland-transport-security-and-police-over-alleged-assaults
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November 11, 2023 3:39pm
Rumblestrip

Over at the NZ Herald, Duncan Garner is having a great wee sook about the demise of the mainstream media. “Some days I feel like crying” he wails.

He blames everything from covid to the iphone to the Reserve Bank. Not mentioned: audiences being thoroughly repelled by the patronising, moralising, biased and out-of-touch repeaters that pass for journalists in this country.
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November 11, 2023 5:07pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  The world is moving on, Duncan, and you are being left behind.
  
  It’s happened to others throughout history & now it’s happening to your industry. Get used to it; you’re not special.
  
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  November 11, 2023 6:08pm
Ghost

Wow, you sure told them, I bet they will listen to the judge and not get out of jail and assault or even kill him……….

A judge has issued a stern warning to a gang member involved in the kidnapping and assault of an innocent man, telling him to leave the victim alone and “treat him with absolute respect” once he gets out of jail, knowing the pair will likely bump into each other in the small King Country town of Te Kūiti.

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November 11, 2023 6:22pm
kevn

Ghost… ‘a stern warning’. Gosh. That’ll do it. Not.
How about something like… ‘if you do a dastardly deed to that bloke, I will resign and you will go back to prison for 10+ years.’
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November 11, 2023 6:39pm
Ghost

Worth reading to just see how badly our justice system is failing survivors

A young victim of Waikato paedophile Gregory van de Worp, sentenced for sexually assaulting a new group of children, questions why victims would come forward when abusers are able to have “a holiday at home while we have to suffer for the rest of our life”.

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