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Benedict Yu

In the USA, Pittsburgh educators are concerned about African American children doing poorly at mathematics. They say that they have discovered the problem. The teaching of mathematics is racist.

All mathematics teachers will be attending training to encourage them to replace “oppressive practices in math instruction with practices that center the wellness of students of color and to provide opportunities for math departments and math teachers to grow their antiracist math praxis collaboratively in pedagogy and instruction.”.

https://nypost.com/2023/10/31/news/pittsburgh-public-schools-approve-measure-to-instruct-teachers-on-white-supremacy-in-math-classes/

I guarantee that there are public servants in the New Zealand Ministry of Education who think this is fantastic and would wheel out this here if they could get away with it.

It has a sinister side. Mathematics by definition does not have feelings. Along with physics, it is the most universal of disciplines. Having succeeded in corrupting disciplines such as history, the woke brigade are now coming for the mathematicians. 🤡
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November 10, 2023 8:03am
- kowtow
  
  Wasn’t that long ago the Race Radicals were shoving down our necks how very “non western” all this maths was and how much our civilisation owed to the Arabs .
  
  That’s when they wanted us to hate the Great Satan of the White House ,George Bush , when he was blasting up the taliban etc
  
  Talking of hypocrisy , why has the MSM made so little of the death at the hands of no less than five US policemen of one Tyre Nichols , as opposed to George Fentanyl Floyd.
  
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  November 10, 2023 8:39am
- cmm
  
  BY: Yes this exists in NZ education and has -for a very long time.
  
  A month or so after arriving in NZ (in 1992) myself and a colleague flew from Auckland to Wellington for a 2 day training session on network architectures.
  There was also some education conference on at the time and dozens of out of town teachers were staying in the same hotel and we met up with some having a few drinks.
  
  The biggest concern of these teachers was that there was a push to Moari-ise maths and science but especially science. They said that every year this push got stronger and stronger and they doubted the forces pushing back would be able to resist for too long.
  
  And here we are with science – not just in schools but right through academia and government departments.
  
  Maths has gone down a similar road too but is probably a bit behind.
  
  The crazy part of this in USA is that it is now the black kids who are losing the most. White (and typically more well off) kids end up going to schools that still provide maths or attend summer schools teaching maths. Such options are less available to black (and typically poorer) blacks.
  The result: white kids get the maths teaching they need for university and black kids do not.
  
  So a programme designed to “help” black kids is actually making things worse for them. Sounds like a typical “progressive” programme in USA, NZ or anywhere else.
  
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  November 10, 2023 8:43am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Exactly. Lowest common denominator ‘fixes’ for chronic ethnic educational underperformance in education (looking at you NCEA) just exacerbate and magnify ultimate differential performance and lock in socio-economic class effects, as only kids with wealthier parents who give a shit get opportunity for real education to make up for what the education system would not provide.
    
    A 20 years ago I knew a really smart hard working and high achieving girl from a blue collar family. She spent a year in pre-med at universty, But ultimately found she could not out-compete all the doctors kids in the class who had been educationally pushed through school and had family support and mentoring to meet the very high bar for results. An effective class-barrier to entry in medicine.
    
    In the end it worked out for her – she’s now a top pharmaceutical sales exec in Switzerland, earning far more than she would have as a doctor without the shitty lifestyle sacrifices.
    
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    November 10, 2023 10:01am
- Michael Johnston
  
  You are quite correct about the Ministry, Benedict. They have said very similar things. Check out the numeracy section in this document, which is supposed to lay out a common teaching approach for every school in the country:
  
  https://assets.education.govt.nz/public/Documents/Curriculum/cpm/Phase-1-of-the-Common-Practice-Model-May-2023.pdf
  
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  November 10, 2023 8:44am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  Yeah, but I don’t think any of us would be particularly happy with questions such as “if a female slave can pick x tons of cotton per day, but only pick y tons per day while pregnant and for six months afterwards while nursing, and a slave infant can be sold for $z, is it more economically rational to keep the woman working at full capacity or rape her into continuous pregnancy?” and nor is it particularly sensitive to ask “how many video games can Peter buy with his $500/week pocket money?” of a child whose mother can barely feed her.
  
  It’s helpful to present maths as something that relates to real life, but if you’re going to do that, you should think about what you are assuming to be “real life” for students.
  
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  November 10, 2023 8:48am
  - kowtow
    
    “Real life” ?
    
    No they’re being condemned and personally accepting a poor , bitter and shortened life by the casual racism of low expectations …..or something like that.
    
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    November 10, 2023 10:04am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Kow,
      I agree.
      Judges sentence for a defined period.
      Bad bigoted teachers sentence for life.
      No parole
      
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      November 10, 2023 10:24am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    There is a reliable red flag which indicates that the proponents of these ideas are ideologues. It is that they justify their ideas using language that is non sensical. Like this:
    
    “…oppressive practices in math instruction with practices that center the wellness of students of color and to provide opportunities for math departments and math teachers to grow their antiracist math praxis collaboratively in pedagogy and instruction.”
    
    When that is the best they have got you know it is rubbish. Let’s say in your job, you had a proposal for an investment for the company, or new product or service. Your manager asked you to write up a proposal. Then you used word soup waffle like the above. You would be out of a job.
    
    This was exactly the same red flag that revealed that Jacinda had no clue about just about any subject. Word soup incomprehensible waffle.
    
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    November 10, 2023 10:12am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      If you can’t beat ‘em with brains, baffle ‘em with bullshit
      
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      November 10, 2023 11:32am
    - sirknz
      
      My reliable red flag is the use of twenty words when five would do. The left always use too many words to describe what should be simple concepts.
      
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      November 10, 2023 11:41am
      - David Garrett
        
        sirk: Quite so…but that problem is not just confined to the left – academics claim that absolutely everything is hugely complicated so only they can explain it.
        
        Many years ago I remember asking Greg Newbold to explain why, if it wasn’t down the three strikes, violent crime in California had plummeted since the law came into force. His reply – entirely expected – was ” a complex mix of factors”
        
        I asked him to identify some of these “factors”. After much humming and harring he came up with “Many more womens’ refuges which prevented women being victims of spousal violence”.
        
        I thought that was fair enough, and asked him to name a couple more of these “complex factors”. He was unable to -and he was New Zealand’s leading criminologist at the time.
        
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        November 10, 2023 12:19pm
    - Dudley Quaffquaff
      
      I have no problem agreeing that ideas should be presented in clear and comprehensible language and that not everybody would be able to understand the example you’ve quoted (I think it needs the word “replace” or similar at the start).
      
      But the fact that somebody has described an idea poorly, reflects badly on them. Not necessarily on the idea. Any idea, no matter how simple and/or brilliant,can be described in unnecessarily convoluted language.
      
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      November 10, 2023 11:44am
    - imalwaysright
      
      B.Y
      Note also that they avoid punctuation. This is because punctuation links words in proper order, context, and meaning and helps avoid ambiguity .
      Ambiguity is their friend , it enables deniability.
      If you want to hear verbal word soup try thirty seconds of Chloe Swarbrick, it sounds like she has eliminated all words of fewer than six letters from her vocabulary leaving the rest, assisted by her rapid monotonal delivery, to try to convince the listener they are incapable of understanding what she is banging on about.
      
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      November 10, 2023 11:47am
      - Nickc2
        
        It’s a common trait among thick short planks and god only knows, Cannabis Chloe is one of the thickest of em all.
        
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        November 10, 2023 3:54pm
    - rouppe
      
      Sounds like the stuff that Mohan Dutta of Massey University spouts
      
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      November 10, 2023 12:34pm
    - Dave
      
      The problem is not so much that the ideas are nonsensical as that they are insufficiently specific and substantiated for the careful reader to examine the factual claims and assumptions they make. They are more a sort of coded language for fellow believers.
      
      Yesterday Maggy W linked to a typical example by Dr Tara McAllister, Maori scientist, lamenting racism in NZ science.
      
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      November 10, 2023 1:15pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Jacinda was a product of the woke sausage factory, with a communications degree.
      
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      November 10, 2023 8:10pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Quaff the silly slave rave was typical lefty hyperbole, used in place of a rational response.
    
    The how many videos question, though unlikely, should not be a problem, unless the kid (and/or the parents) has/have been brainwashed (by institutional woketards) to be a hypersensitive twit.
    
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    November 10, 2023 8:05pm
- surfing
  
  My son’s high school science teacher is already dedicating science classes to learning maori scientific terms. As opposed to learning science!
  
  It is strange though, the more that schools become ‘Maori’, the more that maori are disengaging with education. Maybe maori find it boring?
  
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  November 10, 2023 8:55am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    There is no “Maori science” just like there is no “Chinese science”.
    
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    November 10, 2023 9:54am
    - surfing
      
      To be fair it is the Māori scientific terms they are being taught, not Maori science per se.
      
      Still a waste of time though… and this kind of nonsense is being rolled out across NZ.
      
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      November 10, 2023 12:21pm
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Surfing best you pull your son out of that school.
    
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    November 10, 2023 10:33am
  - Michael Sommerville
    
    I would be having a serious discussion with the science teacher.
    
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    November 10, 2023 12:50pm
- Gussy Fink-Nottle
  
  This also drives homogeneity in the ‘pedagogy and instruction’ domain.
  Those with diverse views will likely move away, or avoid participating at all.
  
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  November 10, 2023 9:08am
- imalwaysright
  
  Can’t be racist.
  I own a maths book and all of the numbers are black.
  
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  November 10, 2023 9:15am
  - Jethrod
    
    It’s black on white …… and red all over.
    
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    November 10, 2023 10:07am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Jethrod,
      
      “Commence to cipherin’ Jethro !”
      
      Jed Clampet
      Beverly Hillbillies
      
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      November 10, 2023 10:27am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Mrs Rose Hipkins is doggy deep in the decolonisation of the NZ School Curriculum.
  
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  November 10, 2023 9:17am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    There is an interview somewhere on the net, I’m afraid I can’t quite remember where you’ll just have to trust me on this one lol, where Douglas Murray warns that having now completely compromised the humanities the left have set their sights on STEM. It was about five years ago and he has proven to be 100% correct.
    
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    November 10, 2023 10:39am
    - Nickc2
      
      I had to have a chuckle to myself yesterday when I was in Hospital getting my two weekly top up of Chemotheropy and there was an elderly Maori Lady in the chair next me and she was approached by what I considered to be a person from the Maori Health Authority who proceeded to rabbit on to her in Te Reo. After a few seconds, the elderly Maori Lady responded with “I don’t speak or understand Te Reo.” The look on the inquisitor’s face was priceless as she slammed her notebook shut and stormed out of the room.
      I wonder how many more such incidents occur around NZ?
      
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      November 10, 2023 4:12pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        I hope you get well soon Nickc2. Very funny. Sounds the clown show have made NZ hospitals into woke loony asylums! Here in Melbournistan I once got threatened with being refused treatment (actually having my appointment cancelled and being pushed to the back of the waiting list again) by a hospital admin “Karen” if I did not tell her what my religion was.
        
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        November 10, 2023 9:06pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Yes, and her little boy has always run his thinking through Mummy.
    
    Evil woman that one. Stupid and doctrinaire.
    
    Her victims will never know why they fail to succeed. But they are just grist to her ideological mill.
    
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    November 10, 2023 5:17pm
- Random T Person
  
  I’m pretty sure Thomas Sowell has written about this in the past, either directly or tangentially.
  
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  November 10, 2023 10:09am
  - Swifty
    
    Yes, and he is absolutely scathing of it, damning of it, because it hurts black children the most – and he has all the hard data to support his conclusions.
    
    As in the US our educational institutions are not evidence-led they are ideology-led and all of us are the poorer for it.
    
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    November 10, 2023 12:01pm
- I remember when
  
  “oppressive practices in maths instruction”
  I guess that is things like demanding the correct answers.
  
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  November 10, 2023 10:30am
  - PeeJay
    
    If you read the link, this is actually the point of what they propose – there is no longer a right or wrong answer and expecting a poor little black kid to get a right or wrong answer is so incredibly racist. Sounds nuts but I think that’s what they are trying to promote!
    
    Anyone else ever note the absolute opaque language the left wing activists use when promoting this kind of stuff? Never, ever clear about what it is they actually propose to do. Suppose it wouldn’t exactly garner much support if they came out and said we’re going to teach your kids that math is racist (and if they are white they the most racist person ever and should be ashamed) and there is no such thing as a right and wrong – participation medals for everyone!
    
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    November 10, 2023 11:32am
    - Dudley Quaffquaff
      
      Obviously, I don’t know whether this will work for you, but when I googled “is mathematics objective” I was led to a question “To what extent is math objective” on Quora, which had been answered carefully and thoughtfully by a few actual mathematicians. You might find it interesting
      
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      November 10, 2023 11:55am
- Bobba Fret
  
  X+5=11
  But I want X to equal 8 because I like the number 8 will soon become an acceptable answer.
  
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  November 10, 2023 10:55am
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    No, it won’t. But you might get different marks if you simply say x = 6 without showing your working, or if you show your working and your working is sound and in accordance with what you’ve been taught, or if you show your working and it consists simply of trial and error.
    
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    November 10, 2023 11:58am
campit

The Huffington Post provides an update on hostage negotiations.

The families of the estimated 240 people kidnapped in a vicious Hamas-led offensive inside Israel on Oct. 7 are one month into an ordeal of separation, uncertainty and fear. Many of them are increasingly worried that efforts to bring home their loved ones will be overlooked amid the global debate over Israel’s reprisal against Hamas, a campaign against the Palestinian militant group’s bases in Gaza that has killed more than 10,000 people so far.

Only a handful of hostages have been rescued through diplomatic channels, and just one hostage has been rescued militarily to date.

Many advocates for the hostages as well as officials involved in conversations about their fate say American involvement is vital because of questions about how heavily Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is prioritizing their release relative to other goals, such as dealing a decisive blow to Hamas.

“Our administration is very focused on this, and I think they’ve been doing a really good job, including in their outreach to the families and their internal efforts to try and push other actors to play a helpful role. The Israelis have been more difficult: I think Netanyahu has written off the hostages,” a Senate aide told HuffPost, describing the Israeli leader as “unwilling to make any kind of concessions.”

The Guardian reports that

Netanyahu rejected a deal for a five-day ceasefire with Palestinian militant groups in Gaza in return for the release of some of the hostages held in the territory early in the war.

According to three sources familiar with the talks, the original deal on the table involved freeing children, women and elderly and sick people in exchange for a five-day ceasefire, but the Israeli government turned this down and demonstrated its rejection with the launch of the ground offensive.

In must be a beyond frustrating for the hostages and their families to know that Netanyahu and Hamas aren’t able to make compromises to secure their release. In the meantime Israel continues to bomb Gaza, where hostages are being held.
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November 10, 2023 8:03am
- Loddenthinks
  
  That’s some Grade A victim-blaming there, champ. Extra marks for quoting “unnamed sources”, the Guardian and the Huffington Post. FFS
  
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  November 10, 2023 9:56am
  - Random T Person
    
    Good lord for a hot minute I thought that was cmm commenting and had a major WTF moment. Sorry, cmm old mate!
    
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    November 10, 2023 10:12am
- NothingLeft
  
  Any concessions with regard to hostages will ensure more hostages are taken in future – rewarding Hamas with any concessions will only ensure that they are used as bargaining chips forever, condemning them to long lives as tortured captives. Israel are effectively saying they are to all intents and purposes dead – not rewarding Hamas for taking them, while working to get them back if possible, and that is the only rational approach they can take.
  
  History has taught us again and again, that if every you pay the Danegeld you’ll never be rid of the Dane.
  
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  November 10, 2023 10:08am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Hamas were only going to release only 12 of the 240 held and wanted a five day ceasefire in exchange
    That means a total of 100 days of ceasefire to get all 240 back
    Half were Americans too.
    Of course Hizbollah and Islamic Jihad wont be part of the ceasefire so would carry on like they usually do.
    Hamas seem a bit slow in realising they are pretty screwed this time.
    They should release all the hostages as a gesture of good will for negotiations.
    
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    November 10, 2023 10:59am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    I would imagine that Hamas and their accomplices are going to find out what being shown the black flag means in reality. I would also be surprised if whilst I type a very special operation is not being implemented akin to Mossad’s response to the Munich Olympic massacre. I hope the backers of these People know good plastic surgeons lol.
    
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    November 10, 2023 11:17am
    - NothingLeft
      
      Israel has already formed a special organization to hunt down all the perpetrators, as they did for Nazis and Munich. It won’t be for the purposes of having a wee chat.
      
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      November 10, 2023 11:50am
      - mawm
        
        They need to expand the punishment to the families of the Hamas thugs – parents, aunts and uncles, cousins etc. by taking away their property, savings, businesses, etc. This is what Egypt did to the perpetrators of the horrific attack on the tourist bus about 25 years ago.
        
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        November 10, 2023 12:55pm
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        Should follow the KGB model.
        
        “Palestinians” tried kidnapping Senior Russians. The Kidnappers body parts were mailed back to their families.
        
        Mossad did something similar post Munich.
        
        Good. Being a terrorist scumbag should be followed by an entire (very short) lifetime of having to constantly look over your shoulder, because the boogy man is coming.
        
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        November 10, 2023 5:21pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  Campit sources you may try other than the Huffington Post or the Guardian are the Beano and the Dandy. I’ve found them to be consistently more reliable and give a much more balanced picture overall.
  
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  November 10, 2023 11:09am
- leoj
  
  Two thumbs down for getting your info from The Huffington Post.
  
  Hamas needs to be decimated.
  
  Iran needs to be warned that they are next if they don’t pull their heads in.
  
  No compromise. That’s also what Hamas wants. Let the war determine who wins. If Hamas is stupid enough to start a war they need to be prepared to lose.
  
  No sympathy. Just hard-nosed battle.
  
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  November 10, 2023 11:52am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘decimated.’
    
    Nope , annihilated.
    
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    November 10, 2023 12:55pm
wsk12345

Sadly we are also here.

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury.
From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. “

https://open.substack.com/pub/boriquagato/p/breaking-the-tytler-cycle?r=z5cij&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
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November 10, 2023 8:10am
slightlyrighty

I see Helen White, when questioned by media about the deceimation of the vote in Mt Albert, responded that she did not decimate the vote.

She’s right.

The historical definition of Decimation would be to reduce the quantity by one tenth or 10%.

Her majority fell by 99.9% and the Party Vote by 49%

Watching her on the TV and listening to her speak, one can only wonder how the hell she became a candidate in any seat, let alone the Seat of Labour Leaders Past.
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November 10, 2023 8:12am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I think the damage was done by Ardern, she treated the people of Mt Albert as leepers, she also refused to visit during covid, and she refused to visit the shop where the Indian guy was murdered, she only went when media pressure built on her arrogance
  
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  November 10, 2023 9:49am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Stone the crows G.
    
    Leepers? or Lepers? or Leppers?
    
    A Leper is a person who has leprosy, or is shunned; a pariah.
    
    A Lepper is a horse that jumps well.
    
    A Leeper is a female who sleeps or jumps with female friends.
    
    So a horse like female that is good at jumping other females. That might explain a few things about the history of Labour in Mt Albert, and why White lost the seat. She didn’t treat them like Leepers!
    
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    November 10, 2023 12:40pm
- RoboRob
  
  While I get the Helen White is a laugh and her answers are delusional in a way she does have a point!
  
  He loss in Mt Albert is much less about her qualities or campaign and much more about Auckland pulling away from Labour.
  
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  November 10, 2023 10:06am
- gravedodger
  
  I consider the technical correct meaning of decimate does refer to one in ten reduction as practiced to discipline. Roman soldiers forced to select by lot the tenth comrade and proceed to kill him.
  There is a considerable understanding that decimation now refers to a massive reduction with no reference to the ten percent factor.
  
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  November 10, 2023 11:39am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  You mean ‘Landslide’ Helen?
  
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  November 10, 2023 6:57pm
Maggie Pie

ZBNews…

“Labour’s loss of Mt Roskill was clearly a pushback
against the governments Law and Order policy”

– Michael Wood (ex MP)

He knew.
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November 10, 2023 8:12am
- kevn
  
  Maggie…. wood seems to have missed ALL the other issues with labour. Including his portfolio.
  He still doesn’t ‘get it’.
  Blinkered/brain fog/brainwashed?
  
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  November 10, 2023 8:17am
  - Albie
    
    Hey Kevin, I wonder what a study into the long term effects of excessive Brylcream use has on cognitive brain functioning?
    Could be interesting!
    
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    November 10, 2023 8:27am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Albie
      Imagine his pillowhead in the morning .
      His poor missus must think she’s in a 70’s Split Enz video.
      
      I see red, I see red, I see red !
      
      Not in Auckland greaser.
      
      Thanks for coming.
      
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      November 10, 2023 12:00pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You are right of course kev.
    But you can understand why his electorate focussed on that single issue.
    
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    November 10, 2023 8:32am
    - lastmanstanding
      
      Thinking citizens should be very concerned that we have Members of the Parliament who are Antisemitic and supporters of the Death Cult known as Hamas.
      Likewise citizens who voted for those Members and that Party should reflect on their decision unless they are also Antisemitic and supporters of the Death Cult known as Hamas. We know they arent thinking citizens otherwise they wouldnt have voted that way.
      
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      November 10, 2023 9:01am
      - slightlyrighty
        
        Funnily enough, the most rabid supporters of the Greens would be the first to call ACT and National, Racist Parties.
        
        they do so without a hint of irony.
        
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        November 10, 2023 9:17am
      - Phronesis
        
        The connections between the Green movement and the National Socialists (Nazi’s) have always been very strong. A google search brings up many academic works on the strong vegetarian / animal rights / environmental protection aspects of Nazi ideology. It’s not clear the connection between these ideas and antisemitism but it’s undeniable that they have been closely associated since the Nazi’s came to power.
        
        The accusing others (even Jews..) of being Nazi’s is a case of accusing the enemy of doing exactly what you yourself really are doing. A technique attributed to that socialist hero Lenin who borrowed it from Joseph Goebbels.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusation_in_a_mirror
        
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        November 10, 2023 9:32am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Phronesis
        Goebbels was a bank clerk when Lenin died, so could hardly have been the latter’s inspiration. So I’m somewhat doubtful that your other points have any accuracy.
        
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        November 10, 2023 9:42am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Phronesis
        
        It’s not clear the connection between these ideas and antisemitism
        
        The connection is through the Volkisch movement and its call for folks to return to the land… which led to Lebensraum – the need for “living space” to grow crops, raise animals… to feed Germans (not Poles, Jews, Slavs, etc)
        
        https://facingtoday.facinghistory.org/examining-nazi-environmentalism-during-earth-week
        
        https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/lebensraum
        
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        November 10, 2023 10:09am
      - Taieri
        
        Goebbels was a bank clerk when Lenin died, so could hardly have been the latter’s inspiration.
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        Goebbels was dismissed from his brief employment with a bank in 1923. Lenin died about 6 months later, in 1924.
        
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        November 10, 2023 1:37pm
  - kowtow
    
    Blinkered by all that ‘filth’ he saw everywhere.
    
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    November 10, 2023 8:41am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Not allowing Cabinet Ministers to hire and fire the CEO of their Department is no different to company Directors not being allowed to hire and fire their company’s CEO.
    In both cases the CEO’s role is to implement strategies and policies.
    In addition Ministers like Directors should require the CEO to sign an undated letter of resignation to be dated as required.
    Otherwise the CEO gets to wag the dog. I see this time and time again in NZX companies where the CEO especially if they are also a Director manipulates the Board.
    
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    November 10, 2023 9:05am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      That’s a complete misunderstanding of how a politically neutral public service operates.
      
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      November 10, 2023 9:37am
      - peterwn
        
        But is the Public Service politically neutral? Looking at Wellington area election results one could be forgiven in thinking that it leans somewhat to the left.
        
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        November 10, 2023 10:02am
      - NothingLeft
        
        “A politically neutral public service.” So where do we get one of those then?
        
        Wellington is far left. The rest of the country is mostly right wing AKA “the enemy”
        
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        November 10, 2023 10:14am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Having political opinions does not conflict with political neutrality. Likewise, political neutrality does not prevent public servants from having private opinions about politicians’ crazy ideas at the same time as they implement those same ideas.
        
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        November 10, 2023 10:30am
      - All_on_Red
        
        I’m more concerned about the rise of pagan worship within the Public Service.
        
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        November 10, 2023 11:17am
      - leoj
        
        What kind of la-la land are you living in?
        
        The public service is awash with lefties. Just look at the voting pattern for the Wellington region.
        
        Geez Milky, take the blinkers off.
        
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        November 10, 2023 11:57am
      - rouppe
        
        A politically neutral public service would implement the policies of the government of the day to the best of their abilities, regardless of their own personal political preferences.
        
        I don’t think they do that.
        
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        November 10, 2023 12:56pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        The public perception of civil service neutrality has long since vanished. Endless stories of toxic woke insanity and egregious waste emanate from the public sector. Ordinary NZers are confronted with it any time the interact with public servants or public sector. They make it clear that they occupy an entirely separate plane of existence, with doctrines dogmatically and diametrically opposed to a majority of NZ.
        
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        November 10, 2023 2:13pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Any evidence they are “politically neutral” Milky?
        
        How would this be measured in your estimation? Try a straight answer instead of evasive snark.
        
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        November 10, 2023 8:13pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    kevn – I think dumb as a sack of hammers covers it pretty well.
    
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    November 10, 2023 9:05am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Well he was convinced he was earmarked for greatness….
    
    But unfortunately his greatness was to be a dreadful warning to others about hubris.
    
    Nevertheless, I expect him to be back as a Regional Councillor or some other “Leadership” role in a Union or Quango… The Party looks after its own, Comrade
    
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    November 10, 2023 5:24pm
Matt Long

Wellington, I apologise for not having more sympathy for your moronic green council. The Northland Regional Council now has a green majority and has decided they want to want to be the worst in the country.
They want to confiscate more than 40% of Northland’s grazing land and kill the local economy.
https://www.farmersweekly.co.nz/politics/farmers-see-red-over-northland-livestock-exclusion-plans/
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November 10, 2023 8:15am
- cmm
  
  HTF did Northland, of all places, end up in Green hands?
  Were they offering free doobies or something?
  
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  November 10, 2023 8:45am
  - Matt Long
    
    The previous council decided to introduce race based seats against the wishes of the community, the lifestyle coastal areas are a hotbed of white saviour activism and government dependents, and people are just about to learn how not backing one good candidate under first past the post can have serious consequences.
    
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    November 10, 2023 9:03am
    - Steve Todd
      
      Matt, “one good candidate” should be able to attract a majority of the votes cast. Moko Tapania’s 26.43% of the first preference votes (FPs) (5,123 / 19,380) was simply not good enough to be an acceptable winner. He had to build up to 50%+, and rightly so. Ann Court (23.96% of FPs – 4,643 / 19,380) was unable to do that.
      
      Consequently, Tepania was the one good candidate who deserved to be elected. The People got precisely what they knowingly voted for, with the preferences accurately reflecting their true preferences for the candidates through all eight iterations of the count.
      
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      November 10, 2023 9:47am
      - Steve Todd
        
        Spelling correction—
        
        Moko Tepania’s 26.43% of the first preference votes […].
        
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        November 10, 2023 9:58am
      - Matt Long
        
        Have you gone off topic on purpose or are unaware that the Northland District Council is not the Northland Regional Council, is not the Government of New Zealand?
        
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        November 10, 2023 1:29pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Fair comment, Matt.
        
        This is what happens when you get distracted, plus I merged 70’s comment about the Far North District Council into my thinking, having forgotten that you were talking about the Regional Council, not the District Council.
        
        I apologise to you.
        
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        November 10, 2023 1:49pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Oh, dear. I’m having a bad day. My comment preceded 70’s, so I apologise to you, too, 70.
        
        I shall now go back into my shell for the rest of the day.
        
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        November 10, 2023 1:59pm
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      @Matt
      IIRC the F’NDC model ended up showing that the special ward needed only ~ 1100 voting docs per council rep compared to ~2500 docs per general ward rep. Also seem to remember that when the proposal was implemented the LGC was quite happy to sign off the small ward size ( despite it breaching statute) for all sorts of “special” reasons ….
      
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      November 10, 2023 10:00am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    The wacky baccy lot have been strong up this way for a long long time – the resulting scrub will just give them more acreage to hide their plots under 🙂
    
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    November 10, 2023 9:06am
- Inandout
  
  The highest court in the land (government) can block such idiocy immediately. With a farmer freindly government in power then we shall see.
  
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  November 10, 2023 8:48am
- Tomtoddy
  
  This is sheer madness. Some of the underlying premises for these changes are communism based and others lack any vestige of common sense. An example of this is saying, “water is more important than people”.
  
  Try thinking that through and you will realise how utterly crazy that is.
  
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  November 10, 2023 9:09am
  - Matt Long
    
    Te Mana o te Wai, in the 2014 NPS on water from Key’s government set out that the mauri of the water is more important than people. The council is merely in enacting this.
    This is why I don’t back or rate National as anything other than Labour lite.
    Key’s government set some awful, awful precedents.
    
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    November 10, 2023 9:21am
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      Yes, Key and his fellow cucks have a lot of answer for.
      
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      November 10, 2023 8:17pm
- imalwaysright
  
  The farmers should go to the council building . Walk in . And not leave until this bullshit is retracted and its proponents publically exposed.
  
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  November 10, 2023 12:19pm
oldpark

Report: Photographers Accompanied Hamas During Oct. 7 Massacre.Yes Most Usa Lefty Media knew the Massacre was going to happen .What an indictment of far left reporting and Journalistic Malpractice .The fix was in they knew it .

When Hamas terrorists began their murderous assault against Israel on the morning of Oct. 7, international news wire services like Reuters and Associated Press almost immediately began to publish pictures of the invasion.

According to a report by the investigative website HonestReporting published on Wednesday, this wasn’t just a case of dumb luck – instead, freelance journalists from inside Gaza accompanied the terrorists on their rampage and may have been informed of it beforehand.

This is how media companies like Reuters, AP, The New York Times, and CNN could publish pictures of burning IDF tanks, crowds of Gazan civilians breaking into Kibbutzim, and Israeli citizens being kidnapped almost in real-time.

For example, Mohammed Fayq Abu Mostafa, a freelancer working with Reuters, just happened to be on the scene to take a picture of an Israeli soldier being dragged out of a tank and lynched. The photo was even chosen as one of the “Images of the Day” in the Reuters database.

Hassan Eslaiah, a photographer working with AP, took a picture of himself in front of a destroyed IDF tank inside Israel, writing on social media platform X in a since-deleted tweet: “Live from inside the Gaza Strip settlements.”

Shortly after HonestReporting’s account was published, an older picture of Eslaiah being kissed by Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar surfaced.

Yousef Masoud, who worked with the NYT and AP, captured photos of several Israelis being kidnapped, among them German-Israeli Shani Louk, who was confirmed to have been murdered.

AP later removed some of the names from the photo credits in their database, in a possible attempt to cover up their journalistic malpractice.

“Is it conceivable to assume that ‘journalists’ just happened to appear early in the morning at the border without prior coordination with the terrorists? Or were they part of the plan?” the report asked.

The investigation done by HonestReporting raises serious questions about the possible knowledge the media outlets had of the attack, either beforehand or very early in the day.

As the outlets received the pictures soon after they were captured by the freelancers, some communication between them and the media outlets must have occurred.

In addition, apparent ties the freelancers had to the terror government of Hamas didn’t stop them from finding employment with some of the most prestigious media companies in the world.

These facts also shed new light on attempted Hamas hoaxes like the alleged attack on the al-Ahli hospital and generally call into question the accuracy of international media reports from inside the Gaza Strip since Hamas took control of it in 2006.

Minister Benny Gantz reacted to the report on his account on X.

“Journalists found to have known about the massacre, and still chose to stand as idle bystanders while children were slaughtered – are no different than terrorists and should be treated as such,” he said.

CNN decided to suspend its ties with Hassan Eslaiah following the report, but emphasized that “we have not at this time found reason to doubt the journalistic accuracy of the work he has done for us.”

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November 10, 2023 8:17am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Media buying picture from Gaza photographers does not seem to be the same as “Most Usa Lefty Media knew the Massacre was going to happen”.
  
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  November 10, 2023 9:44am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    You are correct but it’s also important to note that when they say a “journalist” was killed they’re talking about these same people.
    
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    November 10, 2023 9:55am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I can readily understand that you don’t believe Palestinian journalists count as people.
      
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      November 10, 2023 10:32am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Huh?
        Check your bigotry.
        My point is simply that whenever a “journalist” is killed there is much gnashing of teeth but the fact is that as you pointed out, these people are connected to and travel with Hamas and are therefore dying because of that association (i.e. because the Hamas people they are travelling with are killed), not because they were targeted as “journalists”.
        
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        November 10, 2023 12:03pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        So true.
        
        Every journo that goes into a war zone in search of a $1M photo / story knows it is very high risk. A risk with potential high rewards / potential high losses. No-one put a gun in a journos mouth and told them to go into the war zone, or threaten their first born if they did not.
        
        It it almost a case of expecting that the enemy will interview everyone before dropping bombs, launching a rocket, or firing guns, and stop if there is a journo in the mix.
        
        “Hey fellas, there’s a journo in among the 3217 soldiers advancing on our position, with guns blazing. We cannot kill a journo, so let’s run up the white flag, put the kettle on for tea, and make scones with raspberry jam and cream.”
        
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        November 10, 2023 12:51pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Back to the old strawman routine eh Milky?
        
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        November 10, 2023 9:19pm
      - Ghost
        
        Out of interest Mike. You are a journalist and you are told the prime minister is going to be killed. Do you inform the pm office and police, or go with the assassin to report it and get photos?
        
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        November 10, 2023 9:30pm
- KH
  
  It’s all citizen reporting these days, that
  That’s why.
  Same tech that lets you publish an opinion as above.
  Pre millenium we could not do it
  
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  November 10, 2023 9:49am
- imalwaysright
  
  Oldpark,
  
  Great work. Sometimes they hide in plain sight.
  
  The mainstream media is an illusion. They are private companies whose business is to make as much money as possible and to enable their benefactors to influence as many people as possible.
  
  I believe that the innocent
  Jewish people and the innocent Palestinian people are being used to facilitate the accumulation of wealth by Netanyahu, Biden, and their cronies.
  
  https://www.timesofisrael.com/amid-ongoing-war-bp-and-eni-among-firms-awarded-gas-exploration-licenses-in-israel/
  
  https://www.gerceknews.com/article/is-israel-attacking-gaza-for-oil-and-gas-222425
  
  Its also a good excuse for America to get two carrier fleets into position in order to claim their spoils – Iranian oil and gas.
  
  Its all about the money.
  Innocent people don’t matter to these greedy evil bastards .
  
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  November 10, 2023 10:02am
  - JackRabbit
    
    I believe that the innocent
    Jewish people and the innocent Palestinian people are being used to facilitate the accumulation of wealth by Netanyahu, Biden, and their cronies.
    
    Exactly. If you wanted to stop the war in the Gaza strip you would lock up Biden.
    
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    November 10, 2023 12:53pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘Hassan Eslaiah, a photographer working with AP…..’
  
  Is he the guy on the motorcycle inside Israel , holding the hand grenade …….the same guy who published pictures of how to murder Jews on an account since deleted .
  
  Some “citizen” journalist .
  
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  November 10, 2023 10:26am
- grumpy
  
  CNN’s Hassan Eslaiah was also photographed on motorbike pillion carrying a hand grenade!
  
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  November 10, 2023 1:02pm
- Ra Henare
  
  “Journalists found to have known about the massacre, and still chose to stand as idle bystanders while children were slaughtered – are no different than terrorists and should be treated as such,” he said.
  
  Silly me. I thought Journalists were there to report the news…freedom of speech etc etc.
  Especially as they are unarmed.
  
  A thought.
  Without all the graphic images and reports how was the world to know??? Or did this twerp Minister Benny Gantz want it all hushed up?
  
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  November 10, 2023 2:18pm
Tom Hunter

So what are the odds that National insider DPF will give some analysis of what the hell is going on down in Wellington in forming our new government?

It can’t be that watertight, certainly not to insiders, or are things that volatile that not even a blogger, especially one with DPF’s contacts, can risk reporting on it?

I ask because it seems to me that one of the primary political blogs in the country should be covering this, even if not to the same extent as Patreon, rather than just the daily GD with occasional shots at Labour thrown in. Or, god help us, turning to the useless plonkers in the MSM.
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November 10, 2023 8:24am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Exactly what Gravelroad and I referred to on this morning’s latest post about the Labour party’s woes.
  Well done. Tom.
  
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  November 10, 2023 9:46am
- Ghost
  
  It’s been a week since the final results, hardly any time at all. 2017 it was 12 days of negotiations. When the three parties involved can reach an agreement you will know.
  
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  November 10, 2023 9:47am
  - RoboRob
    
    This.
    
    My recollection of all previous negotiations is that they take a while and people get annotyed waiting. Usually Polis talk to the media which gives the media something to report.
    
    In this case the polis aren’t talking (much) and the media, at a quiet news time, are upset and writing attack pages to fill their time slots / pages.
    
    Its been 1 week sine we got the actual election results. It is not Luxon, Seymour or even Winstons fault the electral comission has made such a hash of this election.
    
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    November 10, 2023 10:15am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      You might want to check DPF’s coverage of previous coalition negotiations.
      
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      November 10, 2023 10:35am
      - Ghost
        
        And I’m sure you understand those negotiations the parties were talking to the media so there were things to blog about, this time around it’s behind closed doors.
        
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        November 10, 2023 10:37am
      - RoboRob
        
        Where would I see that?
        
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        November 10, 2023 11:18am
    - grumpy
      
      National is trying to create a government, of course they will lead the negotiations! There is absolutely no need for ACT to talk to NZF – Luxon is doing that. The media are having a melt down because they have absolutely no influence with National ACT or NZF.
      
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      November 10, 2023 1:05pm
  - rouppe
    
    Plus three weeks since voting day.
    
    In that first three weeks one of two things could have happened:
    1. Coalition negotiations between national and act only, fully formed, with a set of items targeted for sacrifice if the final count meant nzf was required.
    2. Given Luxon said he expected to lose seats and therefore require nzf, coalition negotiations between national act and nzf, fully formed.
    
    What’s actually happened is 3 weeks of wasted time and silly games.
    
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    November 10, 2023 1:06pm
    - Ghost
      
      They started talks after winning the election. What’s actually happened is not 3 weeks of wasted time. Learn some patience and shortly you’ll have a new government to whinge about
      
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      November 10, 2023 1:40pm
      - rouppe
        
        The tenor of what I read is that nothing of substance was negotiated in those 3 weeks
        
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        November 10, 2023 5:07pm
- NothingLeft
  
  3 words: Winston [Mod – tone it down] Peters. While Act and National had probably already come to something like a heads of agreement before final results, Peter’s will be holding out for a gold-plated shitter, Koha for his donors and PGF part deux election bribe fund, and a [Mod – also no need for that]. As a Narcissist he gets off on making the grownups and the country wait on his pleasure – he’s always taken weeks to months in the past.
  
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  November 10, 2023 10:20am
  - Ghost
    
    But they haven’t. Seymour has said they are close to having something they can put on paper, but haven’t reached that point yet. It’s also said Seymour has paused his negotiations and wants to see what Winston signs. Calm down and wait, it’s been 7 days since the results were finalised. Negotiations take time.
    
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    November 10, 2023 10:35am
    - NothingLeft
      
      It’s been pretty clear for a month that NZF held balance of power. NZ is in dire shit, and we need an effective govt to start fixing things now, not next year, the house only sits 90 days a year, and there’s a huge amount that needs to happen.
      
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      November 10, 2023 11:59am
      - Ghost
        
        They’ve been talking since the election and the talks moved up with the official results. A lot has to be done, a lot has to be negotiated. Go have a drink, calm down and wait, you won’t have long to wait. Luxon will have the government sitting up to Xmas.
        
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        November 10, 2023 12:07pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Nothing and Ghost ,
        I hope that a three party government isn’t triple distilled.
        I do hope that each facet that is central to each party is retained and implemented to its full measure.
        The three aren’t that different.
        New Zealand is skint.
        There is no point having one spoon of Greggs Ribbon Roast spread over three cups.
        
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        November 10, 2023 12:29pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        It’s been pretty clear for a month that NZF held balance of power.
        
        @Nothing
        
        NZF could only hold the balance of power if the two conditions are true:
        
        [1] That NZF is equally as likely to go with Labour as National/Act. Winston firmly ruled that out.
        
        [2] Luxon and Seymour are wimps with no principles, and don’t care a rats arse about the voters.
        
        Neither of these conditions are true.
        
        Although I do question Luxon’s principles.
        
        And Seymour is the one that has demonstrated arrogance and discourse, and threaten to only give a confidence and supply agreement, which implies that Seymour is/was trying to be kingmaker.
        
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        November 10, 2023 1:05pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        Anyone whos watched NZF for last few decades know that promises and commitments made by Peters pre-election mean squat. They are just noise to persuade the gullible.
        
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        November 10, 2023 2:38pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Nothing
        
        Anyone whos watched NZF for last few decades know that promises and commitments made by Peters pre-election mean squat.
        
        [1] Any minor party struggles to get anything done unless they are ‘thick as thieves’ with the major party.
        
        [2] The last few decades were before people started dying en mass / injured from the jabs and the large excess deaths and disablement since Feb 2021.
        
        [3] Anyone that does not know several people affected by the jabs either doesn’t have a life, or only communicates with others on a superficial level. Winston will directly know quite a few people thus affected, and would have spoken to plenty of people at the Wellington protest who would have enlightened him.
        
        Empathy for, and acknowledgment of deaths and injuries is enough of a genuine reason to get even an old dog like Winston barking.
        
        Do you have a similar empathy level and acknowledgement?
        
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        November 10, 2023 2:57pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    NothingLeft,
    
    As I have said elsewhere, any party has an obligation to preserve the manifesto principles, the reason which voters voted for them, so negotiations among principle men take time, so that they do not betray their voters.
    
    A quick f**k you can get down at the local pub, but a wholesome marriage between principled people takes a lot more work, before saying yes, and comes with conditions.
    
    Only on the left do politicians indiscriminately drop their pants for a quickie without thought of the consequences.
    
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    November 10, 2023 1:00pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      This pub of yours sounds intriguing. Normally they just do booze and crappy food.
      
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      November 10, 2023 2:40pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Long overdue for a cup of tea with Rawiri and Debbie, Chris L.
    
    The Maori Party are just as committed to a successful NZ as National, and just as worried about long-term under achievement of Maori.
    
    Agree to disagree on key points, and find the areas of commonality. The Maori Party are likely far more reliable bedfellows than NZ First. They are up front about what they want and care about. Whereas Winston has a track record of lies, bullshit and chaos.
    
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    November 10, 2023 5:29pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      You forgot the //
      
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      November 10, 2023 7:09pm
    - Swifty
      
      The trouble with them though is that many of their policies are just batshit crazy. Total lunacy and certain to give them results opposite to that intended.
      
      Their idea of policy economic and social impact analysis is a yarn amongst themselves at the local followed by a press release issued on a stained coaster.
      
      They are very foolish people. And they’re nasty. And racist.
      
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      November 10, 2023 8:02pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Breath thru your nose Tom.
  Its only political tragics like us that really give a toss.
  
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  November 10, 2023 2:20pm
Maggie Pie

And what’s going on with the Chinese community?
Seems there’s hardly a week goes by these days where you don’t hear of a murder 🙁
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November 10, 2023 8:25am
- Prince
  
  Police and Justice system must be racist.
  
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  November 10, 2023 8:30am
Cassandra

“I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.” M L King

At this time of threatened violence and parliamentary negotiations it’d be good if all parties could remember the above.
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November 10, 2023 8:26am
imalwaysright

Why don’t we sack the Electoral Commission and conduct our elections through the banking system.

Set up an account for each party and candidate and treat votes as a deposit of a virtual dollar.

Give the voter a receipt for their vote/deposit.

People without accounts can use a temporary bank account number.
The candidate with the most “dollars” will be the MP and the party representation will be indicated by the number of dollars in their account.

We would have the results at 7.01pm and they would be correct.
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November 10, 2023 8:39am
- RoboRob
  
  Clever spin on electronic voting. Simple, cheap and secure. I love it. Might be an issue for some elderly.
  
  However I no longer favour electronic voting from home. There is too much risk of others forcing votes, think dominent spouse standing over partner to make sure they vote as instructed. Having secrecy for your vote is nice. You can tell your Greenie partner you voted for the Greens and instead have voted for Act. Everyone is happy.
  
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  November 10, 2023 10:19am
  - JackRabbit
    
    And if voters can’t get off their butts once every three years and get to the local polling booth, one has to question whether they actually exist, or never existed, died years ago but death not reported, or or lack the mental capacity to get to or organise a ride to the local polling booth.
    
    Without any requirement to produce ID to vote or be a special voter, there are gaping holes a mile wide that allow false votes.
    
    There are zero checks that would prevent someone driving around and enrolling as a special voter a dozen times. It would be relatively easy for ‘activists’ to have genuine addresses they could use. ‘Staying with friends’ (after the North Island floods/storms, Earthquake, etc), staying at the local Marae, staying at a boarding house, or even a false address, but mailing address set as a P O Box or another address where mail for the false identities is sent, just to name a few….
    
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    November 10, 2023 1:18pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Almost certainly Racist™ for reasons that are not apparent to those not gifted with The Sight.
  
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  November 10, 2023 10:23am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Noth,
    correct !
    That’s why we can’t have nice things.
    
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    November 10, 2023 10:30am
- kowtow
  
  Because the “banking” system like the political system will rob us blind.
  Can’t keep theives out of our accounts .Won’t spend money on basic security . Will only redress issues when a newspaper gets involved .Spends a fortune on their own self identified causes . Pays their top staff ridiculous salaries , while shafting the little guy .Shuts down branches and makes access really hard , while pretending they’re “here for you”.
  
  There’s a reason why at one time Ireland called their currency the “punt” ……….
  
  ………cos it rhymed with banking executive.
  
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  November 10, 2023 10:33am
Yvette

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern confirms public consultation on Māori co-governance will happen in 2022
Her comments followed ACT leader David Seymour’s announcement last week that a referendum on Māori co-governance, which he likened to an “unequal society”, was a bottom line for any coalition negotiations in 2023.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-confirms-public-consultation-on-m-ori-co-governance-will-happen-in-2022.html

Newsroom has reported that Willie Jackson struggled to water down the response of selected Maori representatives to something that his Cabinet colleagues would accept.

So Willie Jackson now claims he knows Maori who “will go to war” over matters which he, Willie Jackson, has parked on the shelf somewhere, ready to be trotted out if they won the Election – but they haven’t, and the issue remains undefined on the shelf.

Could Jackson be part responsible for any violence that Willie warns of?
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November 10, 2023 8:45am
kowtow

Two very good articles recently , tied together paint a very bleak picture of what the Ardern regime created in a relatively short period in New Zealand and how diminished our democracy became at Labour’s hands .And the media pardy who’ve benefited hugely have played no small part in it all.

Bryce Edwards https://democracyproject.nz/2023/11/09/bryce-edwards-should-government-departments-be-giving-contracts-to-lobbying-firms/

And Graham Adams

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-wakey-wakey-mainstream-media
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November 10, 2023 8:46am
- Swifty
  
  Two very quick points.
  
  1. Up until the last year or two I regarded Bryce Edwards as a lightweight. Most if not all of his columns up until that point were just regurgitations of what others were saying on current events and I found the issues he chose to cover were right down in the weeds – and as a professor of political science at one of our great universities I expected him to cover issues of much greater importance and for his readers to come away far better informed as a result of his analysis of complex and, at times, impenetrable material.
  
  I’m really pleased to say the of late he’s been doing exactly that for more frequently. He’s wrestling with big issues and telling us what he thinks and why. Great to see him develop so.
  
  2. Graham Adams continues to be a national treasure. May he live a long, productive and happy life.
  
  I might also say that when I see the lineups of bimbos and lightweights being feted at our national journalism awards year after year (and having endless write ups about what colour they choose to paint their kitchen last week, their battles and ‘heartache’ getting a refund from their bank recently or full-length write ups on the trauma they experienced when a teacher spoke harshly to them 20 years ago) while people like Graham Adams go completely unrecognised I just shake my head.
  
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  November 10, 2023 11:43am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Don’t forget that Floid Bear has come out as a practicing homosexual man during the news drought. (He may have been practicing before but who fucking cares)
    This is extremely important as it has probably prevented Floid from being sacked.
    
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    November 10, 2023 12:39pm
Loddenthinks

A very confused man-who-thinks-he’s-a-woman called Maeve DuVally has written an article for the London Standard (https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/maeve-duvally-trans-acceptance-goldman-sachs-b1118814.html) in which he urges “honest dialogue as the route to trans acceptance”.

He starts by stating that the UK debate on freedom of speech is “acrimonious and nasty” and then abandons any pretence at honesty with the following:
“Inland America is mostly an alternative reality. State laws restrict gender affirming healthcare for youth, bathroom access in schools and transgender youth participation in sports.”

Well sir, I suggest it is you who are living in an alternate reality, if you believe for one second that a man can become a woman, or that cutting bits off young people, giving them puberty blockers and other irreversible life-altering treatments is in any way “gender-affirming” or “healthcare”.

It’s also true that allowing biological males into girls-only toilets, showers and changing rooms is an exceptionally bad idea, and thankfully the tide is starting to turn against fifth-rate male athletes who decide they want to dominate a competition by pretending they’re now female. I salute those states, and those brave lawmakers.

He then goes on to say: “Starting with children and then moving on to adults, they seem to want to make it as difficult as possible to physically transition and perhaps at some point convince society that transgenderism is a form of mental illness.”
Yes, well….quite.
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November 10, 2023 8:48am
- imalwaysright
  
  Lod
  Male transvestites should be granted access to female toilets and dressing rooms .
  
  The only requirement is that they leave their penis and scrotum in the bucket by the door.
  
  That sort of commitment would get my respect.
  
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  November 10, 2023 9:24am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Men should never be granted access to female toilets and dressing rooms. I don’t care what they leave at the door. They’re men, and always will be.
    
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    November 10, 2023 9:59am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Not all trans people are the same.
  
  “Trans children” – like 5 year olds and 6 year olds are creations of their parents.
  
  This “trans girl” transitioned at about 6 years old. The father appears in every video.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7oggooAeavo
  
  Then there are teenagers. This is an epidemic, especially with teen girls who want to become men. Until 5 minutes ago in all of human history, this was never a thing.
  
  https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-topsurgery/
  
  For these teenage girls, “gender affirming care” means a double mastectomy, testosterone, and if they wan to take the final step, the creation of an artificial penis by slicing some flesh from an arm and grafting it to the appropriate place.
  
  Watch this heartbreaking story of a girl who was convinced to have this surgery only to realise it was a terrible mistake. Oops 🙁
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O3MzPeomqs&ab_channel=JordanBPeterson
  
  Finally there are adult men who transition. These men usually have a fetish – autogynephilia, defined as “a male’s propensity to be sexually aroused by the thought of himself as a female”. These men used to be known as ‘transvestites’.
  
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  November 10, 2023 9:46am
  - All_on_Red
    
    There is a lot of Research coming out now about the effects of social media and how it is causing mental illness particularly in girls.
    These issues have really only escalated after the advent of smart phones.
    
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    November 10, 2023 10:50am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Absolutely correct. I have 2 grand-daughters who have to take medication because of abuse etc. directed over their phones.
      
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      November 10, 2023 1:28pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Spot on Red – get them off TikTok and the problem miraculously disappears.
      
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      November 10, 2023 10:08pm
- JackRabbit
  
  “Starting with children…”
  
  Children are not adults. It is the number one priority for parents to look after their children, and keep them out of reach of kiddy fiddlers, groomers, sexual perverts, rapists, and anyone that want to violate, dirty or corrupt their children.
  
  What is in that is in Maeve DuVally’s head that allows him to think that parent should NOT protect their children from scum, and instead hand them over and over to every sicko, like Maeve DuVally, who wants interfere with said children.
  
  Let’s call people like Maeve DuVally what they really are: Mentally sick sexual perverts and kiddy fiddlers.
  
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  November 10, 2023 3:10pm
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  I’m trying to imagine George Orwell’s reaction to the term “gender affirming healthcare”.
  
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  November 10, 2023 8:21pm
slightlyrighty

Why is there such angst and hand wringing over the possible divisive nature of a possible referndum on the Treaty and how it relates to our laws?

Well, as I see it, we are already discussing the treaty and how it relates to our laws, it’s just that one side of the argument doesn’t want to hear the other side of the argument for fear it will cause division.

The irony is that they seem to be blind to the division their own position is causing.
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November 10, 2023 8:48am
Biscuit

To save wear and tear on your typing fingers, I have already received variations of this email from SIX ‘friends’:

Q: Why did Liverpool play in Toulouse this morning?
A: To lose, of course

I have their names and addresses and will despatch hit squads shortly…
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November 10, 2023 8:51am
- JimBobJoe
  
  Biscuit. That was a peak Hodgson type performance – you know pretty clueless!
  
  We were alright first 25 and then Kostas had a brain fart…
  
  Tsimikas is proving woeful as a stand in for Robbo – and I mean truly woeful.
  
  JimBobJoe is very unhappy with the Greatest Team On the Planet this morning….
  
  YNWA Biscuit. Come on you Redmen!
  
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  November 10, 2023 9:14am
- pdm
  
  I wish I had thought of that Biscuit.
  
  Was t a proper loss – like 5-0?
  
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  November 10, 2023 9:32am
- Scott
  
  Quite right biscuit. I haven’t had a chance yet to see the game but I understand that Liverpool scored an equaliser to make it 3-3 but it was scrubbed off by the VAR for a handball that happened about four phases beforehand!???
  
  Rugby union and football appear to have the same refereeing disease. A panel of auditors looking for a way to find an infringement and to rule out a try or a goal.
  
  Here is my question. Was Wayne Barnes the VAR?
  
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  November 10, 2023 9:49am
- Libertarians are right
  
  I prefer:
  Why did Liverpool go to France?
  Toulouse
  
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  November 10, 2023 9:59am
  - Biscuit
    
    Ha, Libertarains.
    
    I can see you being added to Hit Squad No. 69!
    
    I notice some sad soul has downticked all of the above comments … but, of course, hasn’t bothered to say WHY he/she/it did so.
    
    Pool will probably win their next game, so too will the All Blacks, and you, I and most normal folk will sail on through Life with a ‘shit happens’ attitude.
    
    That sad soul will, doubtless, have his finger over the downtick button with a ‘That told him!’ snort.
    
    Did I say ‘sad’?
    
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    November 10, 2023 11:01am
ClanMcleod

Insurance Industry Execs ‘Alarmed’ by Surge in Deaths Among Young People — But Stop Short of Blaming COVID Shots

According to InsuranceNewsNet, insurers are especially concerned by data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that show “mortality rates alarmingly rising for different categories,” including younger adult mortality rates that are up more than 20% above historic norms in 2023.

https://vigilantnews.com/post/insurance-industry-execs-alarmed-by-surge-in-deaths-among-young-people-but-stop-short-of-blaming-covid-shots

But of course, nothing to do with 90% of the population being injected with a failed experimental product.
No, this alarming increase in excess all cause mortality must be to do with something else. Pure coincidence that it lines up perfectly with the rollout of the jabs.

Great to see the NZ health authorities have extended the authority to use this experimental garbage for another 2 years.

Get your booster!!
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November 10, 2023 8:59am
- Mark Hanley
  
  Dr John Campbell reports a couple of covid jab test cases on the harms and lack of benefit of the astro zenica jab. The claimants have found a way to work around the indemnity the UK government gave to the manufacturers.
  
  I will be following these cases because the outcomes will set a precedent for NZers wishing to hold adern etc to account for killing thousands to our fellow countrymen.
  
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  November 10, 2023 9:39am
  - MCōs
    
    “NZers wishing to hold adern (sic) etc to account for killing thousands to our fellow countrymen.”
    
    What a load of crap
    
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    November 10, 2023 12:33pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      Mcos
      Its not crap. People are sick and some have died because of “adern” .
      You clearly aren’t one of them.
      
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      November 10, 2023 12:49pm
      - MCōs
        
        What is it then ‘thousands’ or ‘some’?
        
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        November 10, 2023 1:37pm
- Master Mariner
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGJ8o3TqHzU
  
  Autoimmune Disease, @ 10min mark. “Study group” of 641,000 “Insured” Covid/Vaccinated .
  
  This is one of the reasons Insurers are following closely.
  
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  November 10, 2023 10:27am
- JackRabbit
  
  In due course expect Insurance premiums to rise at an unprecedented level.
  
  Also expect that some people with existing “medical conditions” will have medical cover cancelled or claims refused, and accidental death cover hiked to cover a higher risk profile, without naming why they have an increased risk.
  
  “Our AI risk assessment actuarial computer has assessed you as Type E – Extremely high risk. Your premiums have a 300% loading.”
  
  “But, but, but I’m healthy as, I don’t rock climbing or jump out of planes, my job is not stressful, I just use spreadsheets in an office. There must be something wrong.”
  
  “Sorry, our AI actuarial computer is in the Cloud, and runs on blockchain. It never makes a mistake.”
  
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  November 10, 2023 3:19pm
ClanMcleod

This US police officer should be awarded a medal for his patience dealing with this drunk, woke complete and utter moron. Watch this.

https://www.facebook.com/563589162/videos/641061454768802

Our species is fucking doomed.
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November 10, 2023 9:18am
Skippytony

This all sounds depressingly familiar…

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/marjorie-taylor-greene-weighs-gops-complete-trainwreck-performance/
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November 10, 2023 9:20am
Inandout

Morgan/Murray interview and I wish we saw more intelligent debates on local TV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoWViuG5VYs
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November 10, 2023 9:22am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Very good talk also on Triggernometry with Douglas Murray re the Hamas situation:
  
  https://www.podbean.com/ew/dir-gueev-1bb56c82
  
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  November 10, 2023 8:35pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie reckons that what Kiri and the Horrid did yesterday could well overturn
the courtcase. Being a lawyer she would have known that of course.

Cunning as a kuri.
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November 10, 2023 9:31am
- imalwaysright
  
  Don’t forget that Our Lady of the Attic has decreed that there are two classes of citizen in New Zealand.
  
  In any other country she would be still in jail.
  
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  November 10, 2023 10:42am
- Jethrod
  
  Why can’t the judge haul her in , dress her down and lock her up until the case can be heard?
  
  Blatant disregard for Justice.
  
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  November 10, 2023 11:22am
- Local Miller
  
  Do you have a link?
  
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  November 10, 2023 11:27am
- Maggie Pie
  
  And even this sounds all a bit strange dont ya think?
  
  https://twitter.com/Suitandtie9999/status/1722443827234095586
  
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  November 10, 2023 11:56am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    But I thought Labour was the party of caring, empathetic folk.
    
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    November 10, 2023 1:07pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Ah no, they are the party of hating on the incredibly privileged life they were gifted by accident of birth, like the other idiots on the hard left.
      
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      November 10, 2023 8:41pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    That level of anxiety is her conscience’s way of telling her that her entire political career is just wrong
    
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    November 10, 2023 7:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Way to go! Free AR 15.

https://patriotpulse.net/this-roofing-company-in-florida-is-offering-one-special-that-has-the-anti-gun-crowd-in-a-frenzy/?
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November 10, 2023 9:40am
- All_on_Red
  
  The AR15 can do Carpet Bombing says campit probably
  
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  November 10, 2023 10:42am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Iran-backed Houthi rebels show how weak Biden is.
Serious concerns about the Biden administration’s ability to maintain peace and security in the region.

https://therecorddaily.com/iran-backed-houthi-rebels-shoot-down-us-reaper-drone-highlighting-bidens-weakness-in-the-middle-east/?
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November 10, 2023 9:46am
Southern Raider

So is a 4 hour daily “humanitarian” pause
1) for the benefit of Gazian civilians;
2) to allow Hamas operatives to sneak out of combat zone; or
3) to allow Hamas to restock armaments
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November 10, 2023 9:54am
- mandk
  
  If you are Israeli it’s 1).
  
  If you are Hamas it’s both 2) and 3).
  
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  November 10, 2023 11:32am
- MCōs
  
  How are Hamas going to rearm in 4hrs when you can be sure anything going into Gaza will be gone over by with a fine tooth comb
  If it isn’t, it should be, but what would I know?
  
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  November 10, 2023 12:26pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Move along… Nothing to see here

The Manurewa Marae chief executive was Te Pāti Māori candidate Takutai Moana Kemp, who secured victory over Labour’s Peeni Henare in one of the closest election races – winning the Māori seat of Tāmaki Makaurau by just four votes.

https://www.teaonews.co.nz/2023/11/10/electoral-commission-no-probe-of-te-pati-maori-on-voting-at-marae/
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November 10, 2023 9:58am
- Blog-aholic
  
  I have not heard is it going to a recount?
  
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  November 10, 2023 10:03am
  - Ghost
    
    Yes
    
    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/district-court-confirms-judicial-recounts-for-nelson-mt-albert-t%C4%81maki-makaurau/ar-AA1jzPWe
    
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    November 10, 2023 10:05am
Ghost

Good, thanks to the police

A 42-year-old man has been charged with two counts of murder over the deaths of Fuk-Fu Kwok and Mei Han Chong on November 5.

The man was taken into custody overnight and is set to appear in Auckland District Court on Friday morning.

Article
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November 10, 2023 10:08am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Now we just need an arrest in the baby Ruthless case.
  
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  November 10, 2023 11:06am
  - MCōs
    
    There are very few unsolved murders in NZ and I’m sure someone will be arrested in this case
    I’ve heard that in some locations in the US there are large numbers of unsolved murders because few resources are available for detective work.
    
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    November 10, 2023 12:19pm
sirknz

People are pissed because they took to long to get the cookware they wanted.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new-world-masterchef-cookware-promotion-leaves-sour-taste-for-shoppers-with-plenty-of-stickers-but-no-pots/3DUFXOQBHRFZHL6K3A4DZLGZOA/

Is this really the biggest, most pressing issue in their lives?
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November 10, 2023 10:13am
- Ghost
  
  I don’t think some people understand what “while stocks last” actually means. Every time a supermarket runs this we get the crybabies who can’t comprehend what “while stock lasts”, actually means.
  
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  November 10, 2023 10:19am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Fair enough, but the other side of the coin is they shouldn’t continue to run the promotion if they cant deliver the prize.
    
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    November 10, 2023 10:38am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Correct AoR,
      The right thing to do would be to give store credit to the value of the cookware.
      
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      November 10, 2023 10:46am
- surfing
  
  Pathetic, this happens every year. New World don’t learn, why do they bother? I guess it makes them money.
  
  People scrambling for garbage freebies is embarrassing. Don’t they realise if they switched to Paknsave they’d be able to buy quality goods with the money they save?
  
  New World prices are outrageous.
  
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  November 10, 2023 10:27am
- Maggie Pie
  
  We’ve ended up with 2 of the non-stik MF frypans with lids and 5 sets of the MF eggslice & serving spoons.
  I’ll just keep one of each and use the rest for Xmas presents.
  It’s actually top qualty kit TBH.
  
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  November 10, 2023 10:47am
  - surfing
    
    Quality? I had assumed they were garbage, my bad.
    
    Nonetheless, people are better off shopping at PaknSave and then they can make their own choices on spending the money they save.
    
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    November 10, 2023 11:21am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      It’s probaly one of their better promotions tbf..
      The frypans are really heavy stainless and the untensils are silicone.
      Runs rings around all that ‘Tiny-Garden’ shit. Ended up throwing out about a 100 of those.
      
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      November 10, 2023 12:05pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Use that chemical “non-stick” soup at your own risk.
    
    Oh and, most (if not all) of the allegedly “safe” and/or “eco friendly” versions are a P in the A (IE can’t be used above certain temps and usually turn to shit after a few months of use).
    
    I prefer more inert fry pans (stainless steel) then a soak and then steel wool to clean it!
    
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    November 10, 2023 8:47pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

The Waitangi Tribunal must be disbanded and all race based legislation repealed.

Immediately.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/peters-says-no-to-seymours-treaty-referendum-but/
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November 10, 2023 10:20am
- surfing
  
  Willy Jackon has threatened violence.
  
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  November 10, 2023 10:24am
  - Ghost
    
    No, he’s been very careful to not actually threaten it, he’s just said it’s what he’s hearing. But take that as a warning, there will be violence.
    
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    November 10, 2023 10:49am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Indirectly.
    So did JT.
    
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    November 10, 2023 11:47am
- PeeJay
  
  One of my big concerns about Peters was that he talks a good game before an election but really doesn’t give much of a damn once he’s elected.
  
  This is sadly another example of this. It’s all very well saying the tribunal must be limited and they should get back to basics but nothing will really change with this approach – a policy tweak, even a minor law amendment can be very easily reversed when Labour get back in (and they will eventually).
  
  This is where ACT’s referendum trumps all. If the referendum happens (and I doubt it will sadly – National seem to be terrified of it and Peters sounds like he isn’t really that interested), in the safety and privacy of the voting booth, I suspect an overwhelming majority of Kiwis would say enough is enough and the gravy train ends.
  
  A massive, public vote to limit the treaty and move on would be very difficult to ignore for any future government. That’s why I hope the referendum survives the negotiations.
  
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  November 10, 2023 11:48am
surfing

Just watched the police press conference on the Ruthless Empire death.

My take is that a conviction is by no means assured and the detective in charge appeared very frustrated. Case may be hinged on finding items of interest disposed of by the people in the house.

It’s too bad they can’t jointly hold all 3 accountable, they’re a cunning bunch for sure.
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November 10, 2023 10:23am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Unless one of them flips, I can’t see a conviction. If one of them did flip, he or she would need to go into witness protection, because you can guess what would otherwise happen.
  
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  November 10, 2023 10:35am
- greybeard
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/301005482/arapera-fias-mother-can-now-be-named-as-the-woman-who-failed-to-protect-her-from-being-killed
  Here is another one, but at least they got the feral bastards.
  Silly-name syndrome strikes again.
  
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  November 10, 2023 12:16pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  We need to consider a group charge – something along the lines of failure to provide the necessaries of life leading to death. Sentence of 14 years, with a minimum statutory sentence of 8 years..
  
  Then in cases like this one and those poor Kahui twins, all people in the house at the time or in the car delivering the child to the A&E are jointly charged. The Police then need to only prove the peoples presence and they all go down.
  
  No more he did it, no she did, no he did, no those two did it…. people will flip pretty quick as child killers don’t do well inside…
  
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  November 10, 2023 1:09pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  What about conspiracy?
  
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  November 10, 2023 7:20pm
Maggie Pie

R.E.A. UPDATE….

You can understand why a lot of FHB’s in Auckland are in depair.
We just received advice from ONE ROOF of another Boatshed down the bottom
of Ngapipi Rd that’s coming up for auction at the end of the month.

Expectation well in excess of $2mill 😀
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November 10, 2023 10:26am
Benedict Yu

If you want to watch an interesting news story over the weekend, devote 45 minutes to this:

“Inside the engineering megaproject that went horribly wrong”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJhxRknHCvU&ab_channel=ABCNewsIn-depth

This is about Australia’s “Snowy 2.0” – a massive extension to the Snowy Mountains Scheme which would provide “pumped hydro” capacity.

It was pushed by Malcolm Turnbull when he was PM in 2017. The estimated cost of $2.0 billion is now $12.0 billion with no end in sight. The project requires 2 x 27 km long tunnels. Sadly, the giant boring machine encountered a sink hole, and has been stuck, not moving, for 19 months.

The politicians are now in “We have no choice” mode. Incredibly, it is being described as “still a good investment”. If it can be finished, which at this stage is unclear, it could well end up costing up to $20 billion and not be completed until well after 2030.

This is Australia, with massive supplies of natural gas, coal, and uranium. Yet they went for this thing.

Snowy 2.0 will deliver 2,200 MW of capacity. From this list, that is equivalent to a small nuclear power station. The small French units are about 2,600 MW and the larger ones 4,000 MW and above.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_power_stations

Instead of this boondoggle, Australia could have commissioned two small to medium nuclear plants, using established technology with zero emissions.

Oh and to cap things off Snowy 2.0 is being built in the middle of a National Park.

https://npansw.org.au/campaigns-2/protect-our-parks/kosciuszko-national-park/snowy-2-0/#:~:text=Snowy%202.0%20Impacts,dumped%20in%20Kosciuszko%20National%20Park.
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November 10, 2023 10:31am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Don’t say that bad “N” word. It makes the Greenies fall over and writhe on the floor, making silly noises and having anxiety attacks.
  
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  November 10, 2023 11:53am
I remember when

Australia Bureau of Statistics:
The overseas-born population grew by 155,000 people in 2022, increasing them to 29.5% of the nation’s total population.
Their total is now 7.7 million people.
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November 10, 2023 10:35am
Swifty

More civil servants in Wellington, the Maorification of everything, and endless bureaucratic reorganisations are far more important than pesky cancer drugs:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/133164330/life-after-cancer-death-of-husband-and-father-hamish-macpherson
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November 10, 2023 11:00am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Any drug he needed should be paid for. Cancer is devastating.
  I am one of the lucky ones. Non invasive (so far) prostate cancer. Active surveillance program.
  
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  November 10, 2023 11:59am
imalwaysright

The Electoral commission excuse, courtesy of the boss, Low Energy Le Quesne, of putting the data in the wrong row is like a surgeon telling you he cut the wrong leg off but he will definitely get it right the next time.
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November 10, 2023 11:02am
- JackRabbit
  
  …is like a surgeon telling you he cut the wrong leg off 24 patients, but will get it right next time.
  
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  November 10, 2023 1:31pm
I remember when

How Israel should have responded to the Hamas attacks.
Any Hamas soldiers still in Israeli territory were fair game.
However, once Hamas and those kidnapped had retreated in Gaza City the only acceptable response was negotiation.
Once Israel had agreed that no further action would occur if the prisoners were released, and Hamas did this, peace would resume.

Sounds reasonable?
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November 10, 2023 11:04am
- Sponge
  
  That is heroically optimistic to say the least.
  
  Firstly you would have to assume that Hamas would deal with Israel in good faith and I think the whole thing would fall over there. Secondly if Israel did take this approach then Hamas would be encouraged to continue the attacks and taking of hostages.
  
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  November 10, 2023 11:21am
- JimBobJoe
  
  No. Hamas have openly, repeatedly stated this was the first of a number of planned attacks. Why the hell should Israel tolerate an ongoing threat, especially after Oct 7?
  
  The hostages are as good as dead – only a handful will survive. This is real politik time now (war is politics carried at by direct means after all), not wishy washy give peace a chance time.
  
  I am hoping that Israel finds ways to eliminate the Hamas big wigs hanging out in luxury in the Gulf. They gave the orders that lead to the slaughter of women and children – they need to be sent to Hell where the richly deserve to be
  
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  November 10, 2023 12:49pm
  - kowtow
    
    Mustn’t forget the Tehran ayatollahs .
    
    There’s a reason their proxies are attacking the US in Syria and the Houthis and Hezbollah current involvement too.
    
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    November 10, 2023 1:44pm
- kowtow
  
  Calling terrorists “soldiers” is neither rational nor reasonable .
  
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  November 10, 2023 1:05pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Terrible idea.
  Hamas would not have given up the hostages in return for a ceasefire. They literally asked for the return of EVERY Hamas terrorist in return for the “civilian” hostages.
  The bombing of Gaza and the propaganda campaign associated with it was always part of the plan.
  
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  November 10, 2023 1:07pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  No. Horribly naive actually.
  
  Only when the price of being a member of Hamas is too high will they stop.
  
  That means hunting down and killing every single Hamas leader. Anywhere, everywhere.
  
  At this point there is no better alternative. You cannot negotiate with a death cult.
  
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  November 10, 2023 6:02pm
I remember when

Tuberculosis passed Covid as the deadliest infectious disease: NY Times.
The disease killed 1.6 million people in 2021, reflecting the world’s continued failure to get treatments into the hands of the people who need them most.
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November 10, 2023 11:13am
- JackRabbit
  
  TB is almost 100% treatable. However if:
  
  [1] You lock people up in their homes;
  [2] Deny them access to the outdoors, fresh air and sunshine;
  [3] And insist they re-breathe their own air for long periods by using facemasks;
  [4] Use mass produced cheap face masks made at short notice by companies that spring up overnight and therefore not produced in sterile environments;
  [5] Denied people easy access to GPs and hospital when symptoms developed;
  
  Should we be surprised at the outcome?
  
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  November 10, 2023 1:27pm
- cmm
  
  So where’s the TB lockdown then?
  
  TB vaccines actually work (or maybe worked), but perhaps don’t work so well any more with antibiotic resistant variants.
  
  A lot of the problem with TB in Africa is that the Covid shut downs prevented people from getting TB treatment so TB flared up.
  
  Yet another example of the consequences of the “burn the village to save it” mentality of shutting down the health system to “save” it.
  
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  November 10, 2023 5:22pm
Swifty

Douglas Murray is riled up and makes a couple of points on recent events:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fkVOWQzyemk
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November 10, 2023 12:30pm
JimBobJoe

Ginny obviously shouted at the wrong apparatchiks child at the election night party…

The gates of hell, aka Labours dirty tricks file cabinet doors, have been opened and a nice story supplied to Ms Vance to inflict more lashings of media pain on Ms Anderson
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350107990/minister-paris-3-days-2-meetings-and-51k-bill

No one does post election loss knives out like Labour
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November 10, 2023 12:51pm
- Handyman
  
  The article begins…
  “The Post can now reveal”.
  In other words, they knew all along but didn’t reveal the story until after the election and only if Labour lost.
  
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  November 10, 2023 1:25pm
Swifty

Yep, Labour just pissed taxpayer money away:

https://www.thepost.co.nz/a/politics/350107990/minister-paris-3-days-2-meetings-and-51k-bill?utm_source=stuff_website&utm_medium=stuff_referral&utm_campaign=mh_stuff&utm_id=mh_stuff

SMEs and entrepreneurship – FFS, what would Labour or Anderson know about that? They’ve just spent the last six years doing everything they could to smash them.
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November 10, 2023 1:02pm
- nathie
  
  Plus also from the same article regarding the bullying complaint against the carbon air-miles jet-setting SME dunce Ginny Anderson:
  
  The youngster was left to feel she was the reason Andersen lost her seat, the complaint alleges.
  
  Labour MP’s, who supposedly advocate for better mental health outcomes, are yet again actually creating mental health issues for young people, due to their MP’s bullying behavior.
  
  I cannot think of any other party/MP’s in Parliament that are continuously exposed from time to time for bullying staffers and volunteers.
  
  No-one else.
  
  But Labour.
  
  Enough of the pretence, the MSM should be hounding Labour day after day (like they would if it were National) until these Labour MP’s are forced to resign.
  
  Only then will Labour MP’s get the message to behave themselves …
  
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  November 10, 2023 1:58pm
  - kowtow
    
    Their Saint’s message, indeed mantra was very short and should have been very easy to remember and implement ;
    
    be kind .
    
    But as we all know she never meant it and never was .
    
    It was and is all spin .
    
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    November 10, 2023 2:37pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    But why were the parents stupid enough to leave their vulnerable kids in this environment where they have been actively bullied since 2020.
    
    If my kids were being treated like that, I would have been in the Perps face, and then gone. No more free labour.
    
    What is it with Labour acolytes? Stockholm Syndrome?
    
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    November 10, 2023 6:04pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…

Well that’s it then. The First Amendment is done & dusted!

Douglas Macky is about to go to jail for 10 years for ‘mocking Hillary’ on social media.

WATCH

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1722752303843700828
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November 10, 2023 1:14pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  This is exactly what one ex PM thinks is right and good.
  
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  November 10, 2023 2:03pm
  - Ghost
    
    I personally think it is right that he serves time for what he did. Do you think it is acceptable to deceive someone and try deprive them of their vote? Or do you simply not know what he did?
    
    Would you consider it acceptable for someone in New Zealand to put out information to Māori that they do not need to vote at the booth and can text their vote in? How about elderly?
    
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    November 10, 2023 2:12pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      Anyone that gullible and uninformed should not be voting. He retweeted someone else’s joke – which anyone with a functioning brain would know was clearly just a jibe at Hillary supporters being morons. And for that a prosecution was launched in a highly partisan Democrat jurisdiction, inventing a conspiracy and a crime, and asking a likely all Democrat jury if they thought he was trying to subvert an election they lost at a time of heightened anti-Trump media sentiment. He certainly wouldn’t have been convicted in a more neutral jurisdiction and he is potentially looking at 10 years jail.
      
      This was a political witch-hunt designed to intimidate and kow regime opponents, with arrest and prosecution not commenced until 4 years after the fact – just after Joe Biden was in power (FBI and DOJ are supposed to be at least notionally politically neutral, but clearly aren’t)
      
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      November 10, 2023 2:25pm
      - Ghost
        
        You say that, yet every week we are hearing of people who still fall victim to internet and phone scams, especially elderly.
        
        No matter how you feel about it, 4,900 people texted their vote to that number. Do you find that acceptable? Or do you want to go along well people should know better? Lot of things in life people should know better but it still happens doesn’t make it right.
        
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        November 10, 2023 2:36pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        4900? Jebus, now that list of numbers would be gold to any scamsters. Morons apparently do try to vote for Hillary, but more likely just people doing it for a laugh.
        
        You can’t create idiot proof systems to protect the gullible – because [deity of your choice] will always come up with a more gullible idiot. We have to rely upon and demand a degree of intelligence in our population, or we end up with an insane degree of expensive overprotection and risk avoidance measures that erode everyone’s standards of living and makes every activity ridiculously expensive and slow.
        
        I stand by my comment on too gullible to be voting. Functional democracy needs voters who are compos mentis.
        
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        November 10, 2023 2:54pm
- MCōs
  
  That wasn’t what he was jailed for.
  https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/19/influencer-gets-months-in-prison-for-2016-voter-interference-scheme.html
  
  I wonder if Carlson would lend me one of his wigs until my hair grows back?
  
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  November 10, 2023 2:03pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Not hard to pick eh’ Cossie 😀 😀 😀
    
    When I first met my partner, we used to park in Queen St after lunch and play…. ‘Spot-the-Syrup”
    First to 5 won and the other had to pay for dinner. Christ it was funny.
    
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    November 10, 2023 2:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Don’t these bastards on the public sector tit ever give up?

Get your booster. Fuck off Baker.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/health/other/nz-hit-by-fifth-wave-of-covid-19-really-critical-people-get-booster-jabs-michael-baker/ar-AA1jGbEV?
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November 10, 2023 2:10pm
goNZ1

Fortunately Im up to date with the boosters , had no negative effects either so all good
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November 10, 2023 2:45pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Lucky you. Some do have reactions.
  The fifth Covid wave is out bow C/- that Baker prick.
  Interested in another jab? You go for it goNZ1
  
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  November 10, 2023 6:24pm
Maggie Pie

Tell you something else I’ve noticed recently…..

and that’s how much poltical-reporter Katie Bradford is starting to look like her mum.

https://twitter.com/suebr69/status/1713287519402619179
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November 10, 2023 3:04pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Always has, and the apple hasn’t fallen far either.
  
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  November 10, 2023 3:11pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Poor Katie
  
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  November 10, 2023 7:27pm
Master Mariner

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Irans-Proposed-Embargo-Could-Cause-Chaos-In-Oil-Markets.html

Good analysis on Oil and Israeli / Palistinain issues.

Worth following closely its outcome.
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November 10, 2023 3:07pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Oh quick, before you run for your craft beer and no sugar shandy.
The United Spot.
The Poo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx6k2p305oA
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November 10, 2023 4:19pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  One downtick. Hello Mike, I know you are here sonny.
  
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  November 10, 2023 6:49pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/301006225/a-monkey-has-been-born-with-fluorescent-eyes-and-fingers-in-a-world-first-heres-why
When the Chinese scientists get this right you can kiss goodbye to any more meat exports to them from NZ.
They will simply grow their own in labs.
Any colour the customer wants !.
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November 10, 2023 7:12pm
Maggie Pie

We’re getting very tired of seeing the Police being continually critised at the Coroner’s hearing into the Chch mosk shooting, as to the way they handled events as the situation was unfolding.
As my partner said….those cops put their lives on the line without any idea what they were facing due to lack of information and under-resourcing from Bullshit Castle.

Here we are 4 years later and nothing has changed in that regard. If anything, under Cuddles, it has gone backwards.

Just saying.
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November 10, 2023 7:12pm
- Ghost
  
  What now?
  
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  November 10, 2023 7:30pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Mark Mitchell !!
    
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    November 10, 2023 7:46pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh FGS!

You’re not wanted…
Piss off

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/chris-hipkins-to-again-be-sworn-in-as-prime-minister.html
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November 10, 2023 7:24pm
- Ghost
  
  I was trying to wonder why this didn’t happen in 2017 when the negotiations took two weeks. Then I remembered labour pushed the counting out to three weeks in 2020 and this time, so this problem is another of labours creations.
  
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  November 10, 2023 7:32pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    EXACTLY
    
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    November 10, 2023 7:40pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  The thing that grinds me the most is we have to keep paying the wages of those green arsehats from Tijuana and Tehran for another 3 years..
  And to do what exactly??
  
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  November 10, 2023 7:54pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “And to do what exactly??”
    
    What to do exactly about the dangerous big woke mess we now find ourselves in.
    
    THAT is the question.
    
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    November 10, 2023 8:55pm
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