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Yvette

The Great Replacement?
Is Debbie Ngarewa Packer’s or Willie Jackson’s rejection of a democratic “one person, one vote” and “offering massive civil disturbances – quite possibly violent in nature” – as their replacement to the “tyranny of the majority”, actually offering the nation just tyranny without the majority?
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November 8, 2023 8:02am
- Jade Warrior
  
  Yvette – as I recently said to a Maori activist who was moaning about this issue – if you think a “tyranny of the majority” is bad, just you wait and see how much worse a “tyranny of the minority” is. Just ask any non-white who lived in South Africa between 1948 and 1990.
  
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  November 8, 2023 8:53am
  - kowtow
    
    They’ve got aguably , a worse tyranny of a new ,different minority there .
    A thoroughly corrupt kleptocracy.
    
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    November 8, 2023 10:45am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  As you probably already know, ‘the Great Replacement’ is a racist conspiracist theory that claims white populations in Europe and North America are being systematically replaced by non-Europeans, especially brown Muslims. The theory’s proponents are also often antisemitic, eg, “Jews will not replace us”.
  Your attempt to link this conspiracist nonsense with Māori aspirations for self-determination would be amusing if it weren’t so despicable.
  
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  November 8, 2023 8:59am
  - cmm
    
    “Māori aspirations for self-determination ”
    
    No Maori activist wants self determination because self determination means taking responsibility for your own self – ie. disengaging from the taxpayer’s wallet.
    
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    November 8, 2023 9:13am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      Ah, the Humpty Dumpty approach: “When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.”
      
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      November 8, 2023 9:50am
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Just like you decide ‘co-governance’ or turning away from equality under the law is a simile for ‘Maori aspirations’. LOL
        
        Yet most Maori do not support the Maori party, and how are we to assume that Maori as individuals equate their aspirations to the likes of Maori wards or a separate health system? I know for a fact that some have strong feelings against this.
        
        So tyranny of the minority, and political clout being based on genetics rather than human equality or simply winning people over to a good idea = ‘Maori aspirations’.
        & How could anyone be against ‘Maori aspirations’?
        I for one welcome the arrival of our new overlords.
        
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        November 8, 2023 9:58am
      - Matt Long
        
        Isn’t that your response to River to the Sea Mike? It means whatever you choose it to mean?
        Link to Maori radical comparing the poetic River to Sea to one of their own songs from the Land wars.
        https://twitter.com/ZarahnSouthon/status/1721609269337088125
        
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        November 8, 2023 10:38am
  - Yvette
    
    “I apologise to those who have felt as though it has offended them,”
    
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    November 8, 2023 9:44am
    - kowtow
      
      I see she’s mentioned the hostages in her non apology .
      
      She didn’t see fit to mention them at the hug Hamas fest , the one where an MP was prevented from finishing his speech , was directed off the podium and away from the venue by a large squad of police.
      
      How’s that democracy thingy going in New Zealand these days .
      
      All this to the relative silence from the gatekeeping , curated , self censoring so called fourth estate .
      
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      November 8, 2023 10:49am
    - graham
      
      In other circumstances, the Greens would be labeling this as “victim-blaming”.
      
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      November 8, 2023 12:31pm
  - leoj
    
    From Lonnie Donegan’s My Old Man’s a Dustman:
    
    “I say, I say, I say…” Not you again!
    
    Get ready for a sea of red on your return Milky. You are on the wrong side of EVERYTHING.
    
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    November 8, 2023 10:06am
    - David Garrett
      
      leoj: He wants to be on the wrong side of everything mate…he is a self confessed troll who is only here to piss people off.
      
      Reputadly a sad little man…fromer pencil pusher in some government department now living in Lower Hutt.
      
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      November 8, 2023 10:43am
      - Stellaboxer
        
        David Mike Tyson put it very nicely when questioned about trolls and I quote “Social media made you all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it.“
        
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        November 8, 2023 10:51am
  - rouppe
    
    How exactly do Maori not have self determination?
    
    Maori can own business, have a more than equal vote, own property, travel… At least everything everyone else can do.
    
    What does “self determination” mean, then? Because all I am hearing is removal of rights from others.
    
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    November 8, 2023 10:12am
  - Taieri
    
    Māori aspirations
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    The Maori aspirations are expressed at the General Election. As are the aspirations of everybody else…
    
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    November 8, 2023 6:16pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “Māori aspirations for self-determination” aka separatism.
    
    Treaty says no. Try reading it Milky.
    
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    November 8, 2023 6:17pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    The “great replacement” idea probably comes from places like France that have known demographic time-bombs ticking away (IE Europe majority Muslim by the end of this century, if not sooner).
    
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/26/muslim-majority-in-france-projected-in-40-years/
    
    So majority Muslim usually means a theocracy of one sort or another.
    
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    November 8, 2023 6:23pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  Threatening the nation with what ? Violence? How desperate to hang on to the gravy train are these people? Firstly I believe they will find that they simply will not have the support for such actions as they believe they have and secondly once they began to conspire towards that path the full weight of the state will crush them very quickly. New Zealanders will not tolerate threats, intimidation or political violence. Jackson should learn from his parties showing in the recent election just what we all think of his new form of democracy, odious two dollar shop rebel rouser that he is.
  
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  November 8, 2023 9:31am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Its nice not having a Government raiding our hip pockets and passing laws that take away our freedoms. Im starting to enjoy it.
  
  BTW also pleasing is that so far we havent seen any Anti-semitism protests by the Left and Rent-a Mob. All we have had is a few stupid comments by the dumb arse silly little girls of the Left. One in particular is so thick she doesnt understand that if Hamas caught up with her they would rape her and then behead her.
  
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  November 8, 2023 9:37am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    lastmanstanding We haven’t seen any Anti-semitism protests by the Left and Rent-a Mob yet because as always they take a little while to catch onto what the new “thing” is. They’re probably busy taking down all their Ukranian flags from their Instagram and Facebook accounts and replacing them with Palestinian ones. Then they’ll be ready!
    
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    November 8, 2023 10:18am
    - Ghost
      
      The protests have been taking place, Chloe was at one in the weekend. There have been a few
      
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      November 8, 2023 10:25am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        And did Chloe Einstein protest the evacuation of American troops from Afghanistan? Did she protest the Chinese embassy on treatment of the Uyghurs (and many other human rights abuses)?? Why the obsession with Gaza then? Trendy?
        
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        November 8, 2023 6:27pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      They’re taking place at night….
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/jewish-consulate-in-auckland-hit-by-graffitt-and-arson-attempt-overnight/EM3NVJ6QXZDS3KMC3KEXC7AHEQ/
      
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      November 8, 2023 11:23am
- Tom Hunter
  
  What I always appreciate about The Great Replacement Theory is how many of the people who claim it’s a racist conspiracy theory also gleefully say the following:
  
  MAGAism is shit scared of migrants because they know the numerical supremacy of older white religious fruitcake folks in the USA is virtually over, and will definitely be over in a decade or so.
  
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  November 8, 2023 10:43am
  - alphabeatrium
    
    I guess the “conspiracy” part is the debatable aspect. No one would argue that Muslims aren’t growing in population in Western countries primarily as a result of one-way immigration, but also due to higher fertility rates. If you simply acknowledge that as a neutral fact, that’s not a conspiracy theory. When you add “and that’s by design of some elites”, then it crosses that boundary. When you further add “and I don’t like it”, it gets into “racist conspiracy theory” territory. I can’t imagine that the fact of Muslim population growth in Western countries is going to do wonders for the rights of the alphabet crowd, which is why I find the whole thing quite bemusing.
    
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    November 8, 2023 12:30pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    He is just another racist leftwing clown that refuses to count White Hispanics as White then wonders what is going on.
    Tucker Carlson tried explaining this concept to them but it just went in one ear and out the other.
    
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    November 8, 2023 1:48pm
Biscuit

Please, MaggiePie and Maggy Wassilieff, tell us you’ll be providing savouries, cakes and gourmet coffees to the Kiwiblog faithful today – if not for the rest of the week.

Race 6 on the Melbourne Cup Day programme at Flemington yesterday saw a win for a nag by the name of The Maggstar.

Which put its head down, right on the line, to win by – well – a horse’s head.

At payoffs of $25.50 and $6.70…

Muggins here put a whole dollar each way on it, just as an omen…

You Maggies must have cleaned up, right?
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November 8, 2023 8:03am
- Biscuit
  
  Newsflash:
  
  The electoral commission is undertaking “a full check” of the upticking to ‘that nice Biscuit’s above-detailed comment’ and has found that ‘several’ booths, particularly around Auckland Tennis clubs and Gisborne farms, have had their totals misallocated.
  
  Chief Upticking Counter Karl Le Quesne said the number of upticks involved was ‘low’ and ‘had little impact on the overall vote’.
  
  Acting Upticking Count Commission Board chairwoman Jane Meares said she has full confidence in the integrity of the election process and the results.
  
  “A large amount of data needs to be entered to produce the results, and some mistakes due to human error can occur. However, the board will commission an independent review of the quality assurance processes in place,” Meares said.
  
  Grrrrr!
  
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  November 8, 2023 8:34am
  - pdm
    
    Biscuit does that mean there will not be sponge cake for morning tea?
    
    Asking on behalf of Weight Watchers Members.
    
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    November 8, 2023 8:40am
    - Biscuit
      
      pdm, you know me, always thinking of ways to help my fellow humans.
      
      I will, nobly, volunteer my services to licking off the pesky cream and jam that sponge cakes tend to be bundled with and – ain’t I a saint? – will also suck off the fattening chocolate that they encase any accompanying scorched almonds in.
      
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      November 8, 2023 8:48am
  - KH
    
    I hope you realise that it’s certain tennis clubs are secretly running the country.
    
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    November 8, 2023 8:44am
    - peterwn
      
      And the Midweek Ladies are running the tennis clubs.
      
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      November 8, 2023 8:50am
      - KH
        
        The tennis girls can sort violent Willie out easy peasy. Finish the game then sort Willie, then a nice Prosecco.
        
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        November 8, 2023 9:29am
  - gravedodger
    
    @ Biscuit, leads me to wonder if having as a part of suitability to have an awareness of Treaty of Waitangi in engagement as an electoral casual worker might have diluted the necessary skills actually required?
    
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    November 8, 2023 8:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Maggies will be along shortly to collect their royalties for use of their names.
  
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  November 8, 2023 8:44am
Yvette

Willie Jackson: Treaty referendum risks Springbok tour protest repeat
“I want to stay because I’m nervous about what might be coming, you know in terms of this nonsensical Treaty referendum, let me tell you now Jack, if they try and push that through it’ll be 81 Springbok Tour, civil unrest times five, times ten.”
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/11/05/willie-jackson-treaty-referendum-risks-springbok-tour-protest-repeat/

“When you see it, you know it,” said Jacinda Ardern of hate speech
https://www.nzinitiative.org.nz/reports-and-media/opinion/new-opinion-39/

Yep, incite-ful, Jacinda
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November 8, 2023 8:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Turning on Bluetooth connectivity would allow the app to warn you if potentially offensive people are nearby, until the offenders are arrested.”
  That is the Ardern style control that she wanted. Nasty woman.
  
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  November 8, 2023 8:49am
- cmm
  
  Willie has since doubled down on that – threatening there will be a civil war.
  
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  November 8, 2023 8:54am
  - Jethrod
    
    You can hear the troops already revving their Harley’s.
    
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    November 8, 2023 9:30am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    I wish the media called it a referendum on the oft-misused ‘principles of the Treaty’, and the idea drawing the foundation document back to the literal articles of the document; and not imply it is a referendum to overturn the Treaty itself – as in tear it up.
    
    That is why thickies like the Waititi brigade will start burning things down, and useful idiots and low information people will fight with them or else denounce the discussion itself as divisive respectively.
    Too many people can;t see past slogans, or test the veracity of “facts” behind the emotion.
    
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    November 8, 2023 10:04am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    cmm A civil war really needs more than about 8% of the population ready to start one, otherwise its just a good old fashioned terrorist campaign. Anyway I don’t think they could fund one once the tax payer stopped giving them money. There is no third party that is going to fund them the Cold War days of free money for anti western government terror groups has long since past. Jackson is a balloon, a professional Maori grifter. Bring it on.
    
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    November 8, 2023 10:24am
    - Matt Long
      
      Apparently US places of higher learning illegally covered up billions in funding from foreign countries. I’m fairly confident there’s bad actors here or elsewhere that would find civil strife.
      https://www.thefp.com/p/campus-rage-middle-eastern-roots-qatar
      
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      November 8, 2023 10:53am
  - crikey
    
    Inciting civil unrest is, I believe, a criminal offence.
    
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    November 8, 2023 11:07am
- imalwaysright
  
  Ardern was on the news, dressed up to the nines, on the red carpet at some swanky function , smiling away, not a care in the world.
  
  Then there was an interview with a woman from Auckland who is about to lose her restaurant and home because of the destructive covid regime of Ardern .
  
  The restaurant owner said she had no gas left in the tank.
  
  Ironic
  
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  November 8, 2023 9:24am
  - leoj
    
    Ardern is typical of the communist/socialist left.
    
    Symbolism over substance.
    
    Set the country back 20 years.
    
    Despicable woman.
    
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    November 8, 2023 10:11am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      People who believe (as in are brainwashed) silly things are capable of blindly doing evil.
      
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      November 8, 2023 7:13pm
Nukuleka

RNZ true to form. Leading the news today with advocacy for Labour to adopt and promote a wealth tax policy, and rolling out Jim Bolger to oppose the Treaty referendum. Luxon had better understand that the state broadcaster will do all it can to influence public opinion and undermine everything the coalition government does.
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November 8, 2023 8:07am
- krazykiwi
  
  The racially divisive, apartheid-like policies of the last 30 years must end if New Zealand is to avoid becoming a hellhole.
  
  Luxon needs to find a spine on this.
  
  It’s not good enough for him to manage.
  
  He must lead.
  
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  November 8, 2023 8:22am
  - artemisia
    
    A few kinks in the money hosepipe will quickly start changes. Next step, add proper business cases and contracted outcomes. Some could actually happen overnight.
    
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    November 8, 2023 8:30am
  - cmm
    
    Where do you get 30 years from?
    
    I would argue that the policies had a very specific start date: 19 December 1879
    
    That was the date when universal male suffrage was introduced in NZ and there was no longer any justification for Maori seats.
    
    https://nzhistory.govt.nz/page/universal-male-suffrage-introduced
    
    144 years ago and nobody has had the balls to address it.
    Anyone who think Luxon is the man to do this is dreaming.
    
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    November 8, 2023 8:31am
    - krazykiwi
      
      A fair but depressing point well made.
      
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      November 8, 2023 9:11am
  - Burtland
    
    Bolger, Graham and Finlayson are all squealing at the prospect of ToW rorts ending – are there a bunch of National snouts in a trough too ?
    
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    November 8, 2023 9:26am
    - Keith White
      
      Professional tax-troughers are a Uniparty all of their own.
      
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      November 8, 2023 11:03am
- Paulus
  
  Not surprised that the media use Bolger to be critical of any new Government proposals whether valid or not.
  He was probably the most ineffective of all recent Prime Ministers.
  And the highest user of Parliamentary chauffeur cars for former PMs, I understand.
  
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  November 8, 2023 8:23am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Bolger was a closet, chardonnay-quaffing socialist who had been painted into the blue corner.
    
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    November 8, 2023 9:15am
    - oldpark
      
      Even Worse the clown Bolger was the architect of MMP .What an indictment.
      
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      November 8, 2023 1:54pm
- Simon
  
  “Luxon had better understand”
  
  lol – the functionaries of govt.borg.nz will undermine anything the Nat led govt will try to achieve. The electoral commission started shitting all over the National led govt and all their voters before the govt even formed. This will be the story of this National led govt. Govt.borg.nz will undermine weak timid Luxon easily.
  
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  November 8, 2023 8:30am
- Drone
  
  Nukuleka, Hipkins had better be careful with his policy promises he may find himself back in government with Winston very soon..//
  
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  November 8, 2023 10:03am
- leoj
  
  Luxon is on the same side as Jackson and Packer.
  
  He doesn’t want a referendum on the treaty.
  
  The next three years are more woke from the namby-pamby Nats.
  
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  November 8, 2023 10:14am
- Stellaboxer
  
  RNZ should be defunded. Government has no place in the media. If the last 6 years has taught us anything it has taught us that surely. TV one and the two Maori channels same thing oh and throw in NZ on air. All of these outlets were set up with good intentions only as always ruined by the lefts inability to leave things alone and campaign with their own truth and money rather than the tax payers.
  
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  November 8, 2023 10:29am
graham

Headline on the NZ Herald:

‘Extremist fringes’: Swarbrick apologises after using slogan at Palestine rally

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/israel-hamas-war-chloe-swarbricks-use-of-slogan-at-pro-palestine-rally-deemed-divisive-and-unhelpful-by-academics/WYCEVYOEUNAYTOXBOWLBIULQVY/

Wow, I think, good for her. She realised she got it wrong, she’s done the right thing and apologised for using the slogan that is so hurtful to so many.

Err … not quite.

The Human Rights Commission has warned political and community leaders not to inflame the situation or generate fear when speaking about the conflict, while Swarbrick has apologised for causing offence but has not ruled out using the chant in the future.

“I apologise to those who have felt as though it has offended them,” Swarbrick told Newstalk ZB this afternoon.

Ah, the old “Sorry if you were offended”, putting all the blame onto you for being over-sensitive. Victim-blaming, I believe it’s called.

Swarbrick told the Herald she thought the phrase concerned peaceful Palestinian freedom and believed interpretations that assumed violence were informed by “a racist trope”.

I wonder if Ms Swarbrick also believes the interpretations that assume MAGA hats symbolise undesirable things are informed by “a racist trope”. Maybe she should discuss this wider issue of how phrases can mean different things to different people with her colleague Golriz Ghahraman, who three years ago was lambasting Todd Muller for having a MAGA hat, saying the “terrifying” substance behind MAGA shouldn’t be ignored and how terrifying it would be “if that shrill bullying ethos becomes casually mainstream in NZ politics.”

Well, three cheers for hypocrisy! The Green Party is well and truly ensuring that this “shrill bullying ethos becomes casually mainstream in NZ politics.” And they can’t plead ignorance; the Green Party was told quite clearly just two years ago how the NZ Jewish Council sees it.

New Zealand Jewish Council spokeswoman Juliet Moses said the council wrote to the Green Party after the phrase was used by MP Ricardo Menéndez March on social media in 2021 to express its concerns.

“[Green Party MPs] know very clearly what we believe it to mean and what it is widely understood to mean so using it in a highly charged environment was highly inflammatory and irresponsible,” Moses said.

How hypocritical is the Green Party? Todd Muller owns a MAGA hat as part of a collection of political memorabilia and the Green Party goes ballistic; one of their MPs use a highly divisive and inflammatory slogan in an extraordinarily tense time in the world, and when called out on it indulges in a little spot of victim-blaming before saying she’ll quite happily use it again.
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November 8, 2023 8:12am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Yeah, but Chloe’s a girl
  
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  November 8, 2023 8:57am
  - Keith White
    
    Is there a biologist brave enough to verify that?
    
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    November 8, 2023 11:12am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And that is why she is LYING about wanting Peace and Justice for Palestine.
  
  Folks who want peace amongst warring parties will NOT inflame the situation by siding with one group and antagonising the other.
  
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  November 8, 2023 8:59am
  - imalwaysright
    
    “Folks who want peace amongst warring parties will NOT inflame the situation by siding with one group and antagonising the other”
    
    Like many KB contributors?
    
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    November 8, 2023 9:41am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She did it knowing that it was offensive. The apology means nothing. She knew she would be called out to apologise.
  People like Chloe Swarbrick can be dangerous.
  
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  November 8, 2023 8:59am
  - Paulus
    
    But the Auckland voters gave the seat to her so !!!!!!
    
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    November 8, 2023 2:04pm
- nathie
  
  Also interesting that the MSM is purely focusing on Chloe and not putting any heat on Golriz, Marama and Ricardo who also chant the very same chant.
  
  How lazy of the MSM and they are letting the rest of the Greens get away with it.
  
  Imagine if several Nat/ACT MP’s were saying something controversial – the MSM would be piling in!
  
  The Israel/Palestine issue is a very complex issue with many historical, numerous pre and post 1948 conflicts and regional power plays to contend with.
  
  It really doesn’t help that the hard-left/Greens are taking an absolute position and are supporting/bringing those divisions and tensions to NZ.
  
  The MSM should be calling the Greens and their immaturity out over this.
  
  After all even the MSM’s revered Helen Clark doesn’t take an absolute “one side must be the winner” position like the Greens and the hard-left, instead she advocates for the international norm, that of a two-state solution and therefore peace.
  
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  November 8, 2023 9:03am
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    “A two-state solution and therefore peace” doesn’t follow, because a two-state solution will not bring peace. Hamas have been very clear about this, as has the Muslim world as a whole. They will not settle for anything short of the annihilation of Israel, as demonstrated by the fact that they have rejected every offer and every proposal that has been put on the table and by the fact that it says so, in so many words, in the Hamas charter.
    
    When somebody tells you who they are, believe them
    
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    November 8, 2023 9:59am
    - nathie
      
      Yep fully agree.
      
      But just highlighting the difference between the Greens (stooges of genocidal maniacs Hamas) and Helen Clark/Western international community (not stooges of the genocidal maniacs Hamas).
      
      The Greens would rather align with extremists and their extreme solution … rather than at least be attempting to strive for a peaceful solution in alignment with the West.
      
      The MSM needs to make better efforts when it comes to calling out the Greens.
      
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      November 8, 2023 10:25am
    - mawm
      
      Dudley – Spot on! Every single time a negotiated deal has come up for signature the Palestinians have refused to sign it.
      
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- NothingLeft
  
  But supporting genocidal fundamentalist terrorists who rape and murder ‘dirty Jews’ and behead babies to underline the strength of their hatred, and who would likely rape and murder most of the Green MPs for their LGBTQ-ness is foundational to Greens beliefs. They are just such ignorant and confused little head cases.
  
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  November 8, 2023 10:07am
  - Matt Long
    
    Hamas hate Israel, the greens hate Israel, and playing to the colonisers/ Palestinian victim suits the green’s agenda.
    Don’t confuse this for actual care for people on the ground or any desire to come into contact with actual Palestinians.
    
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    November 8, 2023 11:04am
- Master Mariner
  
  https://content.jwplatform.com/previews/2AzncE0e
  Pretty clear what it means ?
  Hate speech Laws ?
  Adern, “You know Hate speech when you hear it !”
  Yip Yip.
  
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  November 8, 2023 10:22am
- kowtow
  
  The media reaction to Swarbrick’s pogromatic,extremist , hateful ,racist chants is relatively muted compared to their hysterical , full on , deliberate over reaction to Muller’s hat .
  
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  November 8, 2023 10:58am
- Keith White
  
  Here’s news the Greens might use – new studies reinforce link between pot use and heart attack, heart failure, stroke.
  
  “…daily use of marijuana raised the risk of developing heart failure by about one-third compared with non-users.
  
  “… marijuana users (also) had a 20% higher risk of a major acute heart or brain event compared with non-users, and 13.9% were struck by a serious heart event or stroke.
  
  https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2023/11/06/marijuana-heartbrain-health-studies/8131698999156/
  
  (Mod: link is to the eponymous article).
  
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  November 8, 2023 11:31am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    No need. I’m sure they know better than the medical profession.
    
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    November 8, 2023 6:40pm
- Beach Haven expat
  
  Admittedly an almost pointless exercise but I’ve emailed Ms Swarbrick and pointed out that saying (let’s be honest manically screaming) Palestine will be free refers to the geographical area, not people. The people are Palestinians.
  It’s what older readers might call words.
  If Ms Swarbrick is genuine about her focus only being the people and the abolition of Israel is the furthest thing from her mind, I’ve suggested changing her chant to Palestinians will be free. It would get the message across without being “misinterpreted” by people (not as smart as her) as anti-Semitic, so she won’t need to apologise for them being so thick as to take offence at her entirely noble campaign.
  Being as intelligent and genuine as she keeps telling us she is, I’m fully confident Chloe will grasp this subtle change in a single word which doesn’t stop her shouting her slogan.
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  November 8, 2023 11:47pm
Hugh Jarse

So we now have it confirmed that if Labour had been re-elected they would have introduced new taxes, despite Hipkins so called policy bonfire. I do hope they now announce they will introduce several other new taxes if elected in 2026.
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November 8, 2023 8:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  One Labour slogan for 2026 will be “No more new Taxes”
  Labour tell lies you know. Chippie is right up there with the best of them.
  
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  November 8, 2023 9:04am
TripeWryter

What is William Wakatere Jackson so afraid of?
Why does talk on a referendum about ‘Te Tiriti’ frighten him so much that he blusters and tries to scaremonger it into silence?
Why can’t we, the citizens of New Zealand, have a referendum?
Why would it be ‘divisive’ when Labour politicans and their Left-wing and ‘progressive’ satraps have been pushing racially divisive policies on to the rest of us for nearly four years?
Will our Labour-friendly media ask these basic questions?
My guess is they won’t.
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November 8, 2023 8:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He is gaslighting. Full of himself.
  
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  November 8, 2023 9:08am
- leoj
  
  More importantly, what is Luxon so afraid of?
  
  He’s is on Willie Jackson’s side.
  
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  November 8, 2023 10:16am
- Beach Haven expat
  
  Exactly. If he’s right about his interpretation of the Treaty, the “Yes” campaign will surely be able to convince the vast majority of the country with their strong argument during a referendum campaign.
  
  It would put to bed this vexed question for a generation and Aotearoa New Zealand can sail on into a glorious co-governance future, confident the majority of its citizens have embraced “nu democracy” – just as David Cameron thought over Brexit.
  
  But Willie is making the same mistake as Cameron by basically going all negative, throwing around the racism slur at those who even just want to pause and consider the issue. And we know exactly how that worked for Mr Cameron.
  
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  November 8, 2023 11:54pm
Maggie Pie

This is why I’m going to miss Tony on KB….

https://twitter.com/TonyStuart55/status/1721778545104716058

😀 😀 😀
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November 8, 2023 8:13am
- pdm
  
  Maggie – I had not even noticed he was missing.
  
  Is this another self enforced break, or maybe poor health which should concern all of us.
  
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  November 8, 2023 8:21am
  - graham
    
    He mentioned a couple of days ago that he was taking a break – from memory he has taken on a contract for a few months which will keep him busy.
    
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    November 8, 2023 8:24am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    He commented that he is having a break due to work commitments.
    
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    November 8, 2023 8:34am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    pdm… you didn’t seem to notice when he was here either 😀
    
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    November 8, 2023 8:38am
    - pdm
      
      Often commented on his posts.
      
      Actually since I started at Kiwiblog Inv as he was then and I have joined forces on several issues. Same at Keeping Stock.
      
      Some times I don’t comment because I have nothing to add. I don’t comment just for the sake of it – although some here will probably disagree.
      
      Almost always upticked Tony though!!
      
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      November 8, 2023 8:44am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Tony is Keeping Stock.
        
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        November 8, 2023 9:14am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump Attorney Goes Scorched Earth On Fraud Case Judge As Trump Dominates Polls [VIDEOS]

“You have a right to hire a lawyer who can stand up and say something when they see something wrong. But I was told to sit down today. I was yelled at. And I’ve had a judge who is unhinged slamming a table. Let me be very clear: I don’t tolerate that in my life; I’m not going to tolerate it here. And you know what? You shouldn’t either.” – Alina Habba

https://www.rvmnews.com/2023/11/trump-attorney-goes-scorched-earth-on-fraud-case-judge-as-trump-dominates-polls-video/?
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November 8, 2023 8:18am
- Paulus
  
  Every attempt is being made to try and stop Trump from standing in the next election.
  That is the US where all aspects of corruption are paramount.
  
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  November 8, 2023 8:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Even Republicans can be corrupt. The are RINOs. Republicans in name only.
    There are too many supporters for the left to stop Trump. Roll on 2024.
    I wonder who can take over after his 4 years? Donald Trump Junior?
    
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    November 8, 2023 9:18am
    - NothingLeft
      
      Right or wrong he’ll be convicted, and according to polling that will stop ~6% percent of people who would have otherwise voted for him from doing so handing the election to the Dem candidate.
      
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      November 8, 2023 10:11am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        The Dems have no show, even if Biden is replaced with Mike Obama, Newsome, or Hillary.
        I am hoping for Hillary. She will lose and have a thermonuclear meltdown!
        
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        November 8, 2023 11:30am
      - NothingLeft
        
        There hasn’t been a presidential victory margin above 8% since Reagan and margins have been generally reducing over time. Trump actually won even though he got 2% less than Clinton due to electoral college system. 6% swing from Trump would be game over.
        
        Given each party spends billions on presidential campaigns and there are operatives with no ethical qualms to do the dirty work, there is zero chance that Trump doesn’t get convicted (we have daily reminders that US ‘justice’ system is highly partisan) – even if he is eventually cleared on appeal after election.
        
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        November 8, 2023 12:30pm
- virtualmark
  
  This is the first major trial that Habba has led.
  
  She’s (infamously) a small-time lawyer who’s represented parking garages etc. I’d suggest Trump likes her because she has two big … assets.
  
  Anyway, she’s now learning that it’s the Judge’s courtroom, not hers. She isn’t the first lawyer who’s had a Judge tell them to sit down and shut up. Just the first person to run off in the lunch break and tell that story to a TV camera.
  
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  November 8, 2023 1:57pm
oldpark

Peters playing very keen to help NZ and its future after his landslide win at the recent General Election on 14 10 2023 except one thing . He has all the time in the World to once more crucify the long suffering NZs who thought at least with a change of Government that things could only get better?When?
It will happen but as the saying goes .”It won’t happen over-night but it will happen” .On Terms and conditions satisfactory to Peters on all respects.Could he be a”Biden” Clone . Asking for a friend .
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November 8, 2023 8:18am
- ClanMcleod
  
  PDS is almost as bad as TDS in this country. Let it go.
  
  The negotiations are underway. Let’s see what comes out of this all.
  
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  November 8, 2023 9:10am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It is what it is. PDS will not change anything. One thing I will say, Peters is very experienced. Whatever he does we have to live with it, like it or not.
    
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    November 8, 2023 9:28am
- JackRabbit
  
  A coalition is a relationship, not unlike a marriage. And with it you bring your children – the voters who voted for you, based on your principles, policies and manifesto.
  
  The more values and principles one or both of the parties has, the longer it takes to review, assess, compare and negotiate.
  
  Only on the left, where they have little or no values, do they spread their legs on the first date, and agree to get married in a few days, and not give a second’s thought to their children’s welfare.
  
  If you have listened to any actual non-msm interviews with Peters, Casey Costello, etc, you will know that Peters sticks fiercely to his principles and the party manifesto, that his voters expect him to abide by. And he will not give up his principles and manifesto easily, as he sees this as betraying his voters and party.
  
  Only on the left do minor parties eagerly pull down their pants and bend over in anticipation of sharing the spoils of power, with all the personal luxuries and kickbacks.
  
  And only on the left are voters OK with that kind of behaviour.
  
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  November 8, 2023 9:28am
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    And what exactly are those principles?
    
    I’ve asked this before and got a few upticks but no actual answers. What are the main policy differences, as opposed to personal antipathy between their leaders, between ACT and NZ First?
    
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    November 8, 2023 10:07am
    - JackRabbit
      
      I would humbly suggest that you go looking, rather than wait for someone to feed them to you.
      
      However, since your keyboard is broken, here is a start to you putting on your research cap:
      
      https://www.nzfirst.nz/principle
      https://www.nzfirst.nz/2023_policies
      https://www.nzfirst.nz/policy
      
      And I suggest you listen to the one hour interview between Winston and Peter Williams in Auckland.
      
      And join up to RealityCheck.Radio and listen to the multiple interviews with Winston Peters, Casey Costello, Kirsten Murfitt, Leigh Donahue and others.
      
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      November 8, 2023 10:22am
      - Dudley Quaffquaff
        
        Yeah, looking at those principles I am happy to see that NZ First are not opposed to motherhood or apple pie. What is there in any of that, that requires “fierce” defending?
        
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        November 8, 2023 12:22pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        What is there in any of that, that requires “fierce” defending?
        
        1. Put New Zealand & all New Zealanders First.
        Protect freedom of speech by opposing hate speech laws.
        
        Support legislation that protects the right to lawfully acquired property.
        
        Amend the Building Act, to require in the interest and safety of women and girls, that all public sector organisations provide separate, clearly demarcated, unisex and single sex bathrooms.
        
        Amend the Sport and Recreation New Zealand Act to remove public funding from bodies that allow non-biological women to be selected unequally against biological women.
        
        End all vaccine mandates, still operating in some organisations and medical facilities, and hold a credible fully independent Inquiry into New Zealand’s Covid-19 Response.
        
        Of course this none of this would appeal to YOU if you have been drinking from the WEF/WHO/Ardern/Labour/Greens Koolaid.
        
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        November 8, 2023 3:28pm
Benedict Yu

This is revealing little audio clip. Sean Plunkett has been trying to get hold of Chloe Swarbrick for an interview, presumably about her views on the Gaza conflict. She finally answers her phone and tells him she won’t talk to him because he has “weaponised The Platform” 🤡

https://youtu.be/Fx4EMd1MSAA?si=c6Qx-xcsRZbTGLp5

Before hanging up she tells him “I’m waiting for RNZ to call me” 😂.
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November 8, 2023 8:20am
- artemisia
  
  Ms Swarbrick has made what apparently passes as an apology in her world. In the real world, not so much.
  
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  November 8, 2023 8:24am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Swarbrick will only ever speak to the ‘single source of truth’ – the shills who make up the bought and paid for narrative controllers in NZ msm. They don’t ask awkward questions which is convenient for those who can’t speak off script.
    
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    November 8, 2023 9:08am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Swarbrick has the same contorted, twisted and angry face we know see on Greta. Such a face is unable to hide the sheer hate and bitter rage inside, and her speech was dripping with hate.
    
    Any wonder she has mental issues. She is a typical Jekyll and Hyde. On the outside she is trying to portray herself as young, intelligent, and smart. But inside there is a cesspool of eclectic and often contradictory ideas, firmly bound together by hate of the world. Her condition is what happens from living a lie, and she is projecting her insecurities and issues onto the outer world.
    
    Publicly announcing she has mental issues is supposed to make everyone either feel sorry for her, or conversely think she is smart because she is self aware of her shortcomings. It is all part of her neurosis, with layers upon layers of lying to herself.
    
    Normal people with a healthy degree of humility, remove themselves from public office or influencing others in order to not hurt or unduly influence others. Abnormal people dig in, continue being imposters, and constantly lash out.
    
    Imposters don’t normally suffer from “imposter syndrome”, they are more likely to suffer from “Grandiose Malaise”, one of the ‘strains’ of Narcissism.
    
    Narcissism (diagnosed or undiagnosed) is a personality trait characterized by high levels of entitlement, delusional and inflated self-views, and a general disregard for the interests, feelings, and well-being of others.
    
    One of the key facets of narcissism is grandiose exhibitionism, which is characterized by self-absorption and self-promotional impulses…
    
    …More than anyone else, narcissistic individuals feel the need to be the center of attention, even if that means engaging in inappropriate, awkward, or eccentric interpersonal behaviors. In other words, the more narcissistic you are, the more likely you are engage in exhibitionist behaviors
    
    https://hbr.org/2023/04/are-you-a-digital-narcissist
    
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    November 8, 2023 9:49am
- nathie
  
  Charming, I recall Sean on MagicTalk in 2020 giving Chloe lots and lots of “soft interview” airtime in the lead up to the 2020 election which I would suggest helped Chloe win over some of those listeners that were unsure of her.
  
  Now look how she pays him back! Frankly if she makes these sorts of statements she should be able to debate them no matter who the interviewer is. Was she expecting a sympathetic soft ride from RNZ?
  
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  November 8, 2023 8:29am
- Maggie Pie
  
  I always used to enjoy Sean’s interviews with Chloe during the time he was one of the prime-time hosts on ‘Magic Talk’.
  Always came across to me that he had the hots for her back then.
  Chloe never seemed to reciprocate 😛
  
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  November 8, 2023 8:34am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Chloe doesn’t like being presented with facts or answering questions that she can’t answer with a load of incomprehensible word salad waffle.
  
  I presented her with numerous provable negative covid facts. Chole (or her assistant’s) response was to denounce my links as ‘alt media’ and presumably therefore all ‘conspiracy theories’.
  
  I was told they prefer to ‘follow the science’ and linked me to this nonsensical opinion piece from early 2021. Yes, it is labelled an ‘opinion piece’ and this is their evidence!!
  
  https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2021/04/30/eight-most-common-myths-about-covid-vaccines.html
  
  Worth reading, it’s hilarious, and her arguments have more holes in them than a string vest.
  
  Like Ardern, scratch the surface and Chloe is another smile and wave, vacuous wannabe politician. She isn’t very smart.
  
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  November 8, 2023 8:42am
  - leoj
    
    The simple fact that she represents the Greens is all one needs to discount her world view without listening to anything she might say.
    
    Greens are poison to New Zealand.
    
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    November 8, 2023 10:21am
- Master Mariner
  
  Weaponised, Well, Were have we heard that term used regarding Social Media ? UN ?//
  
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  November 8, 2023 9:04am
- Beach Haven expat
  
  The RNZ interview, and indeed the one on ZB, were very illuminating on her. She may have thought she was delivering a perfect word soup that would confuse the listeners into agreeing with her but really it just exposed how she has to hide her real thoughts on Israel by giving a straight answer.
  And without being too cynical, I’m sure Sean is delighted with her refusal – he publicises how she’s run from being interviewed by him rather than boring Platform listeners to death with her droning untruths and obfuscations.
  
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  November 9, 2023 12:00am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Mike Obama is the Secret Weapon?

https://www.thepoliticalglobe.com/ted-cruz-foresees-democrats-replacing-biden-with-michelle-obama/?
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November 8, 2023 8:25am
Simon

Maori party 88,000 votes and six seats. TOP 63,000 votes and no seats. Maori party and their six seats and they think its the second coming.
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November 8, 2023 8:37am
- PeeJay
  
  And this is why the left will never allow the abolition of the Māori seats – it gives the left an effective 7 seat head start. And any overhang caused makes a center-right victory that much more difficult to achieve.
  
  Further, due to the nature of the Māori electorates, TPM can win MPs on a lower share of votes-per-MP. In the General electorates, the average voters-per-MP around 22,200. For TPM, this lowers to around 14,600 votes per MP.
  
  So – Māori electorate votes can be worth more.
  
  That is why TPM and the Labour Māori caucus (is there a difference anymore?) will fight nasty to keep the Māori seats. More MPs per vote, 7 seat head start, and potential for an overhang causing the center-right path to victory that much harder.
  
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  November 8, 2023 9:33am
  - kowtow
    
    Maorimandering.
    
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    November 8, 2023 11:04am
- NothingLeft
  
  If a minor party’s supporters – like TOP were all to coordinate and enroll on Maori rolls then they could easily get a few electorate MP’s. Good way to game the system
  
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  November 8, 2023 9:37am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Wasn’t the agreement that with the introduction of MMP and the ability of “minorities” to easily have a place at the table, so to speak, the race based seats would go?
  
  Who annulled this agreement? What mandate (not to mention what rationale) did they have to do that?
  
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  November 8, 2023 7:03pm
nathie

Interesting interview with Hosking and the Chief Electoral Officer. At approx 3’40” the Chief Electoral Officer states they had 455,000 (new) enrollments to process during the two-week voting period.

Presumably that’s another reason why the final election results took so long (with the various verification’s needed – assume they were classed as Special Votes)?

If so how about changing the rules so that people must enroll before voting begins (not during).

And perhaps, say, by one or two weeks prior?

After all people have 3 years to enroll – how hard is that!

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/karl-le-quesne-electoral-commissions-chief-electoral-officer-on-the-voting-count-errors-at-multiple-polling-locations/
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November 8, 2023 8:38am
- plc
  
  Karl Le Quesne was a jobsworth at Department of Internal Affairs before his current gig as Chief Electoral Officer – a role he has no previous experience to prepare him.
  
  His job at DIA was Head of the Office of Chief Executive – basically the CE’s gofer and cleaner. He was part of the “Leadership Team” that introduced being competent in conversational Te Reo as a core competency for all Tier 3 managers.
  
  And as always with these types his key focus and sole success measure was his own career.
  
  This is the sort of career public servant National is up against in a battle to redirect the public service.
  
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  November 8, 2023 9:11am
  - PeeJay
    
    And National will do the square root of zero about these pricks.
    
    They will tweak, they will do some work around the edges and that will be about it. It happened before – these kinds of useless idiots were left in place in 2008 and are now in very senior positions.
    
    Competent and capable management can only get you so far – some things are just so broken you need to completely rebuild and I think that is the scenario we are now faced with in our state institutions.
    
    These folks are like rust – they won’t go away on their own – unless you fundamentally reform the institutions of state and remove the issue, and sadly I just can’t see National expending political capital on that kind of fight, they will remain in place waiting to flourish when the left return to power.
    
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    November 8, 2023 9:46am
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      Everything we’ve seen and heard from National indicates you’re right about them – unfortunately. Any significant positive shift in this country’s long-term trajectory will depend on Seymour and possibly Peters being able to force Luxon’s hand.
      
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      November 8, 2023 11:02am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I agree with your assessment of him.
    
    EDIT: On this:
    
    “He was part of the “Leadership Team” that introduced being competent in conversational Te Reo as a core competency for all Tier 3 managers.”
    
    The new Minister should direct the Chief Executive to quit it. Yes technically it is an operational matter. If the CE refuses, the Minister should inform the Public Service Commissioner that he or she has no faith in the CE.
    
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    November 8, 2023 9:48am
    - plc
      
      All DIA Head Office staff were able to attend a weekly 2 hour waiata session.
      
      That department is a clown factory.
      
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      November 8, 2023 10:11am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I am hoping that this stuff will now decline. If public servants want to sing waiata they can do it in their lunch break. Not be paid to do it. It is insane. Even worse, is coercing people to do it, and yes that happens. I have been told first hand by the victims.
        
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        November 8, 2023 10:50am
    - Drone
      
      BY the phrase should be “no trust or confidence” not so much “faith”..
      
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      November 8, 2023 10:25am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Indeed – I realised that after I commented.
        
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        November 8, 2023 10:47am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  When I voted there was a long line stretching out the door and down the footpath. When I finally reached the room, the staff were dealing with a number of people who had just turned up without being enrolled. At the very least they need a green line and a red line, like customs.
  
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  November 8, 2023 10:22am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Lazy and stupid people have a right to vote too, y’know!
    
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    November 8, 2023 3:24pm
cmm

Here’s some obvious Stuff disinformation:

“”People will go to war against Seymour and his mates’, Labour MP says”

Click on the link and there is a picture of Chippy.

The implication to the casual observer is that this is what Chippy said.

But only lower down do you see that it is something that Willie Jackson said.

And it seems that he’s trying to promote himself as the leader of that “war”.

I’m not up on the finer details of NZ law, but isn’t threatening to start a civil war over a democratic process sedition? I would think so based on the Crimes Act.

That’s good for 2 years in the taxpayer funded gang pad.

https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/1.0/DLM328549.html

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/301003601/people-will-go-to-war-against-seymour-and-his-mates-labour-mp-says
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November 8, 2023 8:41am
- ClanMcleod
  
  cmm – we know without any shadow of a doubt now, the msm media in NZ are shills and narrative controllers. There isn’t a real journalist among them.
  
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  November 8, 2023 9:01am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Notice that none of these people argue against the substance of what David Seymour’s proposed referendum? I am always happy to change my mind based on evidence and arguments. However when these guys say “we will go to war” or “it will be divisive” my starting assumption is they have no arguments.
  
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  November 8, 2023 9:31am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    Thugs Veto.
    
    Fully endorsed & supported by Jackson Tamihere Bolger Finlayson Shaw… & Luxon ?
    
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    November 8, 2023 10:08am
  - NothingLeft
    
    A country cannot survive if it hands control to those who vote for a living. That’s what bought Venezuela and most other failed states to their dire circumstances.
    
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    November 8, 2023 10:14am
ClanMcleod

Here’s an entertaining read.

It references the cult movie ‘V For Vendetta’. A vision of a dystopian future not too dissimilar to one we have been watching unfold over the last (almost) 4 years.

Here’s the classic speech from the hero of the movie, ‘V’.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxw4O4jJSzw

An excerpt for those who don’t feel like watching.

And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn’t there?

Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who’s to blame? Well certainly there are those who are more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you’re looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror.

I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn’t be? War, terror, disease. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the now high chancellor, Adam Sutler. He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent.

For Adam Sutler, substitute Ardern.

Yes it’s only a movie, a very entertaining one but also one with a message worth think on.
The last three plus years saw the world closely resemble the movie plot. The movie was released in 2005. Guess what year the plot was set in?
2020.

If you haven’t watched it, try and do so, highly entertaining if nothing else!
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November 8, 2023 8:59am
Maggie Pie

Shaneel re-discovers his fakapapa….. and after undergoing a total transition now identfies as Maori 😎

https://twitter.com/shaneellall/status/1721122504046153877
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November 8, 2023 9:03am
- nathie
  
  Wot he reckons his historical Indian and Melanesian heritage equates to Maori heritage?
  
  Is this modern day cultural-appropriation in action??
  
  Wonder if tā moko is next!
  
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  November 8, 2023 9:13am
- MCōs
  
  No he doesn’t
  
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  November 8, 2023 9:24am
kevn

Maggie… A fake individual.
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November 8, 2023 9:06am
Maggy Wassilieff

As Willie Jackson and his mates rev up their rhetoric about civil disobedience and violence over the ToW, it gives our incoming Government a good reason to dump the expense of the annual Waitangi insult fest.
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November 8, 2023 9:10am
- cmm
  
  No Maggy, not “civil disobedience”.
  Civil war.
  
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  November 8, 2023 9:29am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Waitangi Day 2024 will be a shit storm.
  
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  November 8, 2023 10:16am
Master Mariner

Has any one read this yet ?

“While the health system is facing serious pressures, even crises, Ashley Bloomfield says relentless negativity is contributing to the problem”.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/health-system-not-failing-says-bloomfield

Negative , Well answer me this Dr .
How can you be positive when,
1. BOR trampled over
2. 11K worker exempt for the Jab
3. Jab Is not Safe and effective
4. Jab does not stop transmission
5. We were not Quick and early.
6.MOH site still promotes Babies and expected Mothers too be Jabbed ?
7. NZ ers were locked out of the Country.

These WERE all under your Powers of Emergency.

And you have the Gumption to say we are Negative, Well Damn right we are !
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November 8, 2023 9:21am
- krazykiwi
  
  He is right though …. the health system is not failing … some people ie elites with huge salaries, and private health insurance. Much like Bloomfield.
  
  For the rest wait times and quality of care deteriorate despite the best efforts of our predominately excellent font-line staff.
  
  Perhaps Bloomfield could quit the gas-lighting and use that capable brain of his to suggest solutions.
  
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  November 8, 2023 9:55am
  - JackRabbit
    
    He would, but like so many he cannot go “off script”.
    
    Going “off script” would mean biting the hand that feeds him, with all the negative consequences of exposing the puppeteers.
    
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    November 8, 2023 10:01am
  - plc
    
    Supplier last week had Bloomfield as keynote speaker.
    
    They advertised the opportunity whereby you could have a selfie with him for a charitable donation.
    
    Very strange world we now operate in.
    
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    November 8, 2023 10:15am
  - Master Mariner
    
    “Perhaps Bloomfield could quit the gas-lighting and use that capable brain of his to suggest solutions.”
    
    It has not worked out well so far, He could only Obey the Political solutions directed to him.
    
    A Leader he is not ! ( A Leader must have control, Which he never had).
    
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    November 8, 2023 10:35am
    - mawm
      
      As a professional when asked to lie and promote measures known to be ineffective he had one option – to resign! He did not do that and the result is he squandered any trust and integrity he had.
      
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      November 8, 2023 11:35am
      - Master Mariner
        
        Yep, And down the rabbit hole he went unable to climb out.
        
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        November 8, 2023 4:25pm
NothingLeft

The ever brilliant Eric Weinstein’s take on the Barbarians both at and inside the gates of civilization and how western culture is being gamed to its detriment:
https://youtu.be/fKolY2Zyvk8
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November 8, 2023 9:23am
NothingLeft

Wellingtons stifling antidemocratic toxic impact on NZ:

In Auckland, Right beat Left by 19%
In Provincial NZ Right beat Left by 17%
In Rural NZ, Right beat Left by 36%

In Wellington, Left beat Right by 19%
and they are in effect the ones who control all the institutions of our country. The deplorables need to show them the door and re-establish some semblance of political balance in institutional governance.

Wellington delenda est.
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November 8, 2023 9:27am
- bennerg
  
  Perhaps time to move the institutions to the regions.
  
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  November 8, 2023 10:12am
- MCōs
  
  Who are these ‘deplorables’ you speak of?
  
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  November 8, 2023 10:25am
  - cmm
    
    You know, the “river of filth” etc.
    
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    November 8, 2023 2:02pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    You, me, pretty much everyone who isn’t invested in the far-left’s (ie Public Servant’s and Academia’s) vision of the future.
    
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    November 8, 2023 3:50pm
Maggie Pie

Two less fish in the sea?

Speculation is rife on ‘X’ …..I certainly don’t intend adding to it.

https://twitter.com/Dame_Jane/status/1721965504196428126
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November 8, 2023 9:36am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Wow some of those comments are harsh.
  
  “He [Clarke Gayford] is writing a book like Prince Harry. He is calling it “Spared”.” 🙁
  
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  November 8, 2023 9:59am
- cmm
  
  He and (inaudible) served their purpose and now find themselves in the dumpster.
  
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  November 8, 2023 2:01pm
Clyde

Didn’t Ardern announce in her intention to resign speech that she and the fisherman would get married sooner rather than later? Since then she seems to be too busy flapping her gums everywhere else but New Zealand. I can’t see the fisherman suing for breach of promise can you?
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November 8, 2023 9:52am
- Ghost
  
  Why do you care when she will get married? Now she’s gone I’d rather not know anything about her, especially her personal life
  
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  November 8, 2023 10:14am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Some like to keep an eye on what she is up to.
    It may be that she has not finished screwing NZ over yet – and wants to do it remotely. Evil nasty person. Her lies caught up with her and she doesn’t like that one bit!
    
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    November 8, 2023 10:26am
    - Dudley Quaffquaff
      
      But what does her marital status have to do with any of that?
      
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      November 8, 2023 12:09pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        It is a test of her honesty.
        
        Was her on again / off again marriage real, or just a soap opera to entertain the masses?
        
        Has Clarke moved onto another long term acting gig?
        
        Where is the nanny?
        
        Where is the child?
        
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        November 8, 2023 3:36pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I never mentioned her marital status. Ghost did.
        What I was saying to Ghost is Ardern may not be finished fucking NZ over yet.
        
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        November 9, 2023 8:04am
    - Ghost
      
      She gone. She will never hold a position where she can influence New Zealand. Don’t let her live rent free in your head
      
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      November 8, 2023 12:12pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        In case you forgot, Ardern was appointed head of the special Dis/Mis-Information surveillance unit at the airbase. I’m suspecting that since we have not heard about her resignation, then she is still balls deep in it.
        
        Stanford may actually be a part time cover story.
        
        She must be very busy otherwise Clarke would have swept her off her feet and married her, and he, she and the child would be settled down in her mansion.
        
        Tyrants are like rust. They never sleep. And Klaus would never allow her to sleep.
        
        And it is the swamp, not the politicians, that run the country. She left being a politician to run the swamp.
        
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        November 8, 2023 3:42pm
      - Ghost
        
        Harvard. And it’s a nothing position. That boogeyman has gone. She will never hold a position where she will have any real power. She will never get an appointment at the UN, Clark used up our turn. Her time is over, coming to you next will either be a war or climate change emergency. All the Covid leaders are going and won’t be back so people can think that it’s all over for a little bit.
        
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        November 8, 2023 3:53pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        All the Covid leaders are going and won’t be back so people can think that it’s all over for a little bit.
        
        That is right – “think it is all over for a little bit.” They are busy doing scene changes for the next act.
        
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        November 8, 2023 4:08pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I think you need to get out more Ghost 😀
    
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    November 8, 2023 10:31am
- NothingLeft
  
  Why would he need to get married, might be harder to finance now that most of NZ hates her. I’d guess that if they were to split he gets half of everything, including parliamentary superannuation etc and likely alimony given how he sacrificed his career for years while she was gaining celebrity and wealth to be primary caregiver to their kid.
  
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  November 8, 2023 3:58pm
Swifty

A word of advice to young New Zealanders.

Never, ever join an organisation that can tell you what to do. An organisation that can order you to commit acts against your conscience and good sense.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300982512/man-accused-of-fatally-shooting-mongrel-mob-boss-at-church-can-be-named

Ignore this advice and any consequences are your responsibility.
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November 8, 2023 9:57am
- MCōs
  
  Does your advice apply to organizations that tell you how to think?
  
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  November 8, 2023 10:19am
  - Swifty
    
    I’ll let you work that one out for yourself MCos.
    
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    November 8, 2023 10:35am
Jack5

More evidence of Amnesty’s capture by the Left.

Amnesty International is trying to prevent a police ban on a pro-Palestinian march (or pro-Hamas, depending on how you see it) in London on Saturday.

The would-be demonstrators want to take the highlight away from Britain’s annual Armistice Day commemoration of war dead. Or perhaps some of them want a major clash with police to gain maximum publicilty.

The local Kiwi branch, Amnesty International Aoteroa NZ Inc, is a registered charity. It reported income of just over $3 million in its financial year ended June 30, 2023. Donations are listed as $2.5 million.

The NZ organisation reported it had seven staff.

Amnesty’s now up to its elbows in Leftist activism.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/07/justice-secretary-alex-chalk-calls-for-armistice-day-pro-palestine-march-to-be-postponed
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November 8, 2023 10:03am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I used to donate to Amnesty back in the day. Not now for those reasons.
  
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  November 8, 2023 10:12am
- nathie
  
  Shouldn’t Amnesty International be focusing on human rights and unjust imprisonment or death – the sorts of things that Hamas are inflicting on the people of Gaza if they speak out against Hamas?
  
  Amnesty International has lost their way …
  
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  November 8, 2023 10:33am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “Shouldn’t Amnesty International be focusing on human rights and unjust imprisonment or death …”
    
    They used to. That is why I supported them.
    
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    November 8, 2023 10:51am
  - David Garrett
    
    Nathie: Amnesty International lost its way many years ago.
    
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    November 8, 2023 10:57am
    - cmm
      
      Joined the queue behind Save the Children, Oxfam, Salvation Army,…
      
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      November 8, 2023 1:59pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Yes, the day it was formed, with anonymous donations, from the usual suspects.
      
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      November 8, 2023 3:48pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Sorry cant find the Link ,
  The March is ( Apparently) being organised by , And / Or including 3 Hama’s Leaders on the Israeli Terror List.
  Stakes are High.
  
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  November 8, 2023 10:42am
- kowtow
  
  Have they advocated for the hostages .
  
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  November 8, 2023 11:17am
  - Jack5
    
    Allison Pearson, writing in the Telegraph:
    
    … a former Hamas chief, Muhammad Sawalha, is behind one of the groups organising the pro-Palestine Armistice Day protests. A founder of the Muslim Association of Britain, Sawalha led the terrorist group in the West Bank in the late 1980s and is alleged to have “masterminded” its military strategy with involvement as recently as 2019, before moving to the UK where he lives in a London council house.
    
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    November 8, 2023 11:28am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Ah, the fruits of cultural diversity!
      
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      November 8, 2023 3:35pm
Maggy Wassilieff

One of the best books I’ve read this year is last year’s Pulitzer Prize winning novel –

“The Netanyahus: An Account of a Minor and Ultimately Even Negligible Episode in the History of a Very Famous Family”-
by
Joshua Cohen.

*It won’t illuminate issues about the Israel-Gaza War.
*It might/might not give you a vague insight into the character of Benjamin Netanyahu.
*It will provide you with an hilarious account of university politics in a two-bit town in the middle of Hicksville.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/may/20/the-netanyahus-by-joshua-cohen-review-an-excess-of-genius
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November 8, 2023 10:14am
- Blog-aholic
  
  As a point of historical note.
  Netanyahu’s older brother Yoni was the only Israeli special forces soldier to be killed during the Entebbe raid. He was apparently very well liked and was destined for greatness……
  
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  November 8, 2023 10:57am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Thank you. I’ve just downloaded that after reading the review.
  
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  November 8, 2023 11:48am
  - Jack5
    
    You use a Kindle, Milky? Good on you.
    
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    November 8, 2023 11:57am
Inandout

Optus has crashed and there is chaos affecting 10 million Aussies. We have always believed cash is king and never more so when telcos fail. On a lighter note IDF have cornered a Hamas leader and he will be taken alive or dead.
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November 8, 2023 10:16am
- rangitoto
  
  Interesting. Not sure what could cause such a big outage. Off the top of my head , most likely cause would be an Optus tech, accidentally or on purpose poisoned their routing tables.
  
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  November 8, 2023 3:24pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Only to finally break cover almost seven hours after the outage was first reported to admit they still had not identified the source of the problem.
    
    Nothing in tech is that vague. It is a relatively simple matter to go through the connection chain, and find at which point the flow stops. And there would be system wide monitoring which would light up to show where traffic was stopped.
    
    I would say they know and but don’t want to say.
    
    Another Telco had a 4 day outage 18 odd years ago, although back them everyone was using copper for phones, so it only affected email and internet which was not in widespread use back then.
    
    Same MO, “no-one knew the cause”. I did however because I had advised said Telco three weeks earlier of a system wide vulnerability, that was going to lead to an outage. To their credit, they acted immediately on the information, but given the size and scope of the vulnerability, they could not patch the tens of thousands of endpoints in time.
    
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    November 8, 2023 4:05pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Their mobile network was solidly down across the country for about 9 hours.
      
      They don’t know the cause but they “restored” the problem? That’s clearly a BS alert right there. I’m thinking the lefty govt told them to shut up and tell porkies.
      
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      November 8, 2023 6:12pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        They don’t know the cause but they “restored” the problem?
        
        Exactly, Perhaps they just prayed.
        
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        November 8, 2023 8:53pm
Surely Knott

Another hate attack on a leftist commentator. Are the police taking it seriously? None have been found or prosecuted. Is it the same person.

1. Siouxie Wiles. Auckland Uni attempts to suppress court details after campus incident. “a person came on to the campus asking to speak to Wiles.” “He was not located by security staff or on CCTV.” Weird. So no description. Can’t be seen on CCTV. Given Siouxie works in the gain of function department don’t they have swipe access cards. What’s the security like at her dangerous substance lab. Heaps of cctv. Security? Which building? Who was it. What did he say he wanted? Police have been advised. What did police say? Are they looking into it? Will there be a police statement today.

2. Shaneel Lal. Shaneel Lal was “broken into” they left a message “from a burner accounts” saying they were “coming back for me”. a new account emerged on Friday, threatening they “will get [me] next time” and “will come back for [me]” and that I should “watch [my] back”. The accounts called me a “gr**mer” and a “p*do”.” Apparently police didn’t take it seriously according to Lal?

3. Jack Brazil. Shot in Dunedin. His cafe was raided and he won’t say who was in the car with him . No description of the offender. And no further media coverage. What was found in the raid. Why was Jack the victim the one who was raided? The shooter has not been found.
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November 8, 2023 10:16am
- Ghost
  
  Shaneel Lal was broken into by Shaneel Lal, seeking publicity for a failed bargin bin book
  
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  November 8, 2023 10:18am
- NothingLeft
  
  They probably all looked at that winning Te Racist candidates’ fabricated break in story and thought they would like to get in on the “Worship me, I’m a victim!” bandwagon.
  
  The far left Media Party’s editorial policies (what they choose to ignore or amplify) is the problem here.
  
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  November 8, 2023 10:38am
- Blog-aholic
  
  If it is a week old fish it will smell fishy. That Brazil story is way past its date and is still fishy.
  
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  November 8, 2023 11:06am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Less than half of what the pink terror says would be true. Another publicity junkie.
  Oh look, over there, a camera and TV crew. Let’s get over there quick!
  
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  November 8, 2023 11:09am
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    haha Steve – cover page womens day this week, there is old pinkie ‘covid hero siouxsie wiles – my secret struggle to become a mum’ …. well it’s hardly secret when plastered all over a women’s magazine. She is just an unbelievable attention seeker
    
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    November 8, 2023 1:06pm
    - kevn
      
      Close Hen… No thanks. Even beer goggles wouldn’t do it.
      
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      November 8, 2023 6:39pm
  - MCōs
    
    I would suggest that most public figures in NZ are subjected to on line abuse to a varying degree depending on how much they stand out in the crowd even if their views are not particularly controversial.
    As soon as anyone speaks up about the abuse that’s directed their way the vitriol is ramped up.
    
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    November 8, 2023 1:59pm
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Even people on Kiwiblog say mean things to one another sometimes.
      Just consider how many 111 calls this Blog has generated.
      “Help, Police! Someone is arguing with me on the internet!”
      
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      November 8, 2023 3:55pm
    - kevn
      
      mcos…. I’ve had couple of people threaten to kill me, was quite a few years ago. Part of the job at the time. Not police.
      
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      November 8, 2023 7:22pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  And don’t forget the ram raid, burglary and hateful letter left of for the newly minted Maori Party MP in Huntly.
  
  (opps, I see someone beat me to it).
  
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  November 8, 2023 3:53pm
Maggie Pie

I see where Hamasshole symphathisers in Australia are being blamed for a major Cyberattack on Optus which is affecting millions. No calls, no texts, no internet.
Trains stopped, businesses closed.

As my partner has always said….Cash is King.
Hmmm.
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November 8, 2023 10:26am
- Ghost
  
  I wonder if they are checking all the Huawei equipment they use……
  
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  November 8, 2023 11:57am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    A little birdie told me a while back (more than 10 years ago) that Optus was using Huawei hardware in it’s data nodes. Not sure if they still do. Let’s just say I have first hand evidence that the little birdie was correct.
    
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    November 8, 2023 6:53pm
- mogg
  
  Bonds are still a screaming ‘buy’, until they are not.
  
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  November 8, 2023 12:52pm
- rangitoto
  
  Most likely a tech screwed up a config change and poisoned the Optus route tables.
  
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  November 8, 2023 3:25pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Or maybe it is a trial run for 15 minutes cities and the next pandemic lockdown in 2024.
    
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    November 8, 2023 3:52pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    A roll back would have fixed that fairly quickly I would have thought.
    
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    November 8, 2023 6:14pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Roll back wouldn’t be possible. They would have cut themselves and all other Optus tech off from access to their core . They probably had to send someome out with console cable LOL.
      
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      November 8, 2023 9:47pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Surely if you make a change that can potentially take down millions of customers if it goes wrong, you better be damn sure you have a plan B to fix it immediately if it turns to shit?
        
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        November 9, 2023 11:42am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

2024.
Trump could still run for office even if convicted.
Plus, the Democrats will not be able to cheat like in 2020. They are under the microscope.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/trump-has-a-pretty-good-chance-of-winning-back-the-white-house/ss-AA1jwLqt?
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November 8, 2023 10:35am
- peterwn
  
  Donald Trump would find it difficult trying to run the USA from a prison cell. The warden would be under no obligation to provide him the facilities to carry out the job. The Secret Service people would need to leave their guns and phones at Reception.
  
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  November 8, 2023 10:43am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    In the real World Trump will be laughing all the way to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
    This is all a diversion by the Dems. First to try and stop Trump, and second to take the heat off the crooked crime family of the Bidens.
    3D chess.
    
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    November 8, 2023 11:36am
  - mawm
    
    Peter – I think the Constitution says that a sitting President cannot be gaoled.
    
    Steve – then they’ll just put up visual barriers like last time.
    
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    November 8, 2023 11:44am
    - peterwn
      
      But what if he is already in jail as a sentenced prisoner especially for a ‘moral turpitude’ crime?
      
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      November 8, 2023 3:13pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        He will Pardon himself LOL!//
        
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        November 9, 2023 8:08am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Top Labour MP Willie Jackson says Māori have told him they would “go to war” over ACT’s proposal for a referendum on the Treaty of Waitangi.
Come on Willie, stop being so vague. Who are these Maori whispering in your ear?

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/willie-jackson-maori-are-prepared-to-go-to-war-to-stop-seymours-referendum/
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November 8, 2023 10:40am
- Swifty
  
  Name them.
  
  Pass their names on to the Police.
  
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  November 8, 2023 10:54am
- Ghost
  
  Sleepy, Sneezy, Bashful, Grumpy, and Dopey
  
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  November 8, 2023 10:57am
- Keith White
  
  Moloch, Baal, and Grendel.
  
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  November 8, 2023 12:29pm
Inandout

IDF are now into the heart of Gaza and going house to house looking for Hamas terrorists. I had recollections of US forces entering Berlin in 1945 and Nazis fleeing like rats, not caring about the damage around them. I suspect many Gazians just want an end to conflict by whatever means.
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November 8, 2023 10:58am
- Ghost
  
  Posted this the other day, worth watching
  
  “Why a Ceasefire Would Be A Disaster!” – Son of Hamas Leader
  
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  November 8, 2023 11:09am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yep seen that.
    However I’m not convinced he is fully “Converted”.?
    
    In the Court of “Public ( Media) Opinion”, A Cease fire would be a PR Disaster for the cause.
    And he ( Hamas) know it.
    
    Like I say again, You have too keep the “emotion”out and then see clearly for what it is.
    So far the media “World ” is operating on emotion.
    
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    November 8, 2023 11:30am
- kowtow
  
  Soviets surely.
  
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  November 8, 2023 11:21am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Russians entered Berlin. US/UK stopped on the Elbe.
  
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  November 8, 2023 12:29pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Worth noting the Soviets engaged in mass rape (reparations?) when the tide of war eventually receded back into Germany.
    I don’t see the IDF as getting any jollies from doing this, and they will fight as professionals rather than a vengeful mob.
    A lot of Gazan citizens will still die though.
    But those Gazans can blame Hamas just as some Germans might have come to blame Hitler.
    
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    November 8, 2023 4:00pm
mogg

After six years in government Labour still don’t know what their tax policy is:
Sounds like another “tax working group’ from Hipkins:
“The slate has been wiped clean our tax policy will look very different for the 2026 election”
This from the man who said “we are at the front of the queue” Chippy could give Winston lessons in lying.
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November 8, 2023 11:08am
RoboRob

Its not that they dont know what their tax policy is, they just didn’t / don’t want us to know.

Even Chippe is smart enough to know that wealth tax will cost votes. I know on the left they think Labour not pushing a wealth tax cost them votes, but they are just delusional.
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November 8, 2023 11:17am
- mogg
  
  No no, the 50% of the working population who pay net tax plus vast amounts of gst will stay here and pay the Greens wealth tax, they will never think of moving to the Gold Coast or anywhere else with a better lifestyle.
  
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  November 8, 2023 1:14pm
Ghost

Can New Zealand not run a ferry service without constant issues

A Bluebridge Cook Strait ferry has returned to port after hitting a wharf leaving Wellington, reportedly causing a hole in its side.

Passenger Jenny Middlemass said she was on the 8.15am Connemara sailing from Wellington to Picton when the ferry hit the wharf as it left dock on Wednesday morning.

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November 8, 2023 11:32am
- Jack5
  
  The ferries between the North Island and the South Island could be classified as the country’s most important transport link.
  
  Why doesn’t the country sort out the Cook Strait service?
  
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  November 8, 2023 11:43am
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    Who exactly is “the country” in this case? I, for one, have nothing to offer in this endeavour.
    
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    November 8, 2023 12:06pm
    - Jack5
      
      The inter-island link is as important to the country as electricity distribution and the roading system and the allocation of wireless frequencies.
      
      Too important to leave to some system to coalesce from absolute free-marketers.
      
      That means the State needs to “sort it out”.
      
      You can relax, Mr Quaffquaff.
      
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      November 8, 2023 12:34pm
      - Dudley Quaffquaff
        
        Waka Kotahi, then? Yup, I do indeed feel much better for that.
        
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        November 8, 2023 1:05pm
      - Jack5
        
        🚢If Waka Kotahi, it would be interesting what words they would mandate instead of “port” and “starboard”?
        
        Maui papakaira and katau papakaira?
        
        They’d soon be sunk by a cruise liner or a tanker.
        
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        November 8, 2023 2:17pm
Jack5

Fasten your safety belts …

Magic, technically arcane financial devices often feature in the run-up to big financial trouble.

The latest are “synthetic risk transfers.” These are expensive for America’s banks, but help them to meet rising capital ratio requirements imposed by the central bank.

TheWall Street Journal says investors who buy the instruments from the banks are getting returns of 15 per cent or more.

You mightn’t feel sorry for the banksters, but bank trouble affects every citizen, and, when on Wall Street, spreads quickly across international borders.

The newspaper says most banks stayed out of the market until the current northern autumn, when they issued a record quantity.
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November 8, 2023 11:54am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Just fantastic. Good on ‘em.

And, an apposite observation from the Police – Inspector Chris Wallace called it a true test of honesty.

“As the great British writer C.S. Lewis said, ‘Integrity is doing the right thing, even when no one is watching’. It is fair to say that this couple certainly did that, and more,” he said.

Kudos all round.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/11/hawke-s-bay-couple-praised-by-police-after-handing-in-over-70k.html
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November 8, 2023 12:02pm
- cmm
  
  I don’t know how this is huge news.
  
  Wouldn’t most people do this?
  
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  November 8, 2023 1:54pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    I hope the bank gave them a logo umbrella or coffee mug by way of the Thank You.
    
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    November 8, 2023 4:05pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    You forgot the // CMM. Or not.
    
    There are any number of experiments where, when participants think they can secure an advantage with no one else knowing, do the dishonest thing.
    
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    November 8, 2023 7:01pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

I’m with ya, mate!

“I’m from a generation – I’m 60 – everything used to last back in the 80s. I’ve got a washing machine that’s 20 years old. I’m annoyed. These days you buy a T-shirt and you’re lucky to get a year out of it, and you buy and then an iPhone and you’re getting four or five years.”

From the same article & also worthy of thought – Some people spend $100,000 or $200,000 on a car and find that now incorporates a lot of technology, but that there may be virtually no updates available in the vehicles.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018914376/how-long-should-your-old-iphone-keep-working-for
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November 8, 2023 12:03pm
- cmm
  
  If they don’t get updates they still keep working.
  
  The flip side to all this is that some things really are better and better. Nobody really makes crap cars any more.
  Cars rarely break down.
  
  For those that think the cars of the 1970s were better you’ve probably forgotten dealing with Lucas electrics in the rain.
  
  I will say though that modern cars are far too complex. There are far too many “frilly bits” features that are mainly there because it is always tempting to pack in a few more software features that don’t add to the build cost of the vehicle.
  
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  November 8, 2023 1:53pm
  - Keith White
    
    Oh yeah.
    The Prince of Darkness.
    Drum brakes.
    Hill-starts.
    Petulant horns.
    etc
    
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    November 8, 2023 5:56pm
- Jack5
  
  NMT’B’s … and then an iPhone and you’re getting four or five years…
  
  You could buy a cheap text-and-talk “burner” for a fraction of the price, and as long as it’s now 4G it will damn near wear out.
  
  Won’t worry you much if you lose it, either.
  
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  November 8, 2023 2:44pm
Maggie Pie

Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.

Looks like Clint has also found himself in the ranks of the unemployed….

https://twitter.com/ClintVSmith/status/1722012296518472136
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November 8, 2023 12:11pm
- RightNow
  
  Lol, another lefty claiming X is dying.
  Wah wah wah.
  
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  November 8, 2023 12:49pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’d rather clean dunnies than write policy reports.
  
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  November 8, 2023 1:18pm
  - cmm
    
    Dealing with shit either way.
    
    At least cleaning dunnies is providing value to society.
    
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    November 8, 2023 1:49pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Cleaning the toilet in Japan goes beyond a mere chore; it is a cultural practice deeply intertwined with values of cleanliness, respect, mindfulness, and personal responsibility. It reflects a holistic approach to maintaining a clean toilet and a clean and harmonious living environment.
      
      Famous toilet cleaners include Konosuke Matsushita (founder of Panasonic), Takeshi Kitano (film director and comedian), Shuzaburo Kagiyama (founder of Yellow), and Hatand Soichiro Honda (founder of Honda). They all said that cleaning toilets was crucial to their success.
      
      https://yougojapan.com/toilet-cleaning-japan/
      
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      November 8, 2023 3:29pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        That’s why they don’t have a ‘Green Party’ in Japan.
        
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        November 8, 2023 3:42pm
Maggie Pie

Well, there’s no doubt AT has completely fcuked Queen St businesses.
They are now in the process of doing the same to K’Rd!
Ponsonby will be next.

Not sure who heads AT these days, but people we know who own restaurants and shops
in the affected area, are all saying the Mayor needs to get rid of the useless pr*ck.
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November 8, 2023 1:19pm
KH

From Chris Trotter discussing the tyranny of the minority.
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/chris-trotter-threatening-consequences
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November 8, 2023 1:43pm
cmm

The Pink Rincess really has a Messia Complex:

She had to speak otherwise lots of people would die.

Can you imagine being a person who believes that your words (forget the actions – those are unimportant) can save the lives of thousands?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/133246349/dr-siouxsie-wiles-case-microbiologist-felt-compelled-to-make-public-comment-to-stop-excess-covid-deaths
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November 8, 2023 1:47pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Pink Rincess, I like that description.
  
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  November 8, 2023 1:53pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Isn’t she the same person who publicly attacked National’s David Bennett and Simon Bridges for pointing out Labour’s very slow reaction to Covid? Didn’t she say they were overreacting and Covid wasn’t really a threat?
  
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  November 8, 2023 3:20pm
- rouppe
  
  Just look at the tone-deaf remarks:
  
  “What’s been worse than the harassment has been dealing with the university. I fear for my employment.”
  
  Ummm what?! Like the people that actually lost their employment?
  
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  November 8, 2023 3:28pm
Maggie Pie

TBH it doesn’t worry me, cos other than Jesus Ive never donated to anybody in my life.
But a lot of people are asking whether the RED CROSS has distributed all those millions they collected on behalf of the poor Cyclone victims yet?

I see where some are speculating they might even have a few million still sitting in their bank reaping interest.
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November 8, 2023 2:20pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  We stopped donating money to charities ten years ago and only donate food and items such as clothing.
  
  The Salvation army in Whangarei has a store where needy people can go shopping on a “points” system. They are allocated a certain number of points and each item in the store is worth a certain number of points. The advantage of this system is that the shoppers can buy what they need, not what the Sallies think they need.
  
  No candy’s, soft drinks, alcohol or tobacco products.
  
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  November 8, 2023 5:46pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “other than Jesus Ive never donated to anybody in my life”
  
  Says it all.
  
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  November 8, 2023 5:56pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Ill tell you wot has alwys intrigued me Bene…
    do Asian people believe in Heaven and Hell?
    
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    November 8, 2023 6:32pm
Ghost

I just love this story, and the response to it, telling the new owners they have to dispose of the building safely, lol.

An asbestos-contaminated building stolen from the back hills of East Otago has been tracked down, and its new owners advised to safely dispose of it.

Waitaki District Council officers were informed of the unapproved removal of a disused Dunback Boys Brigade building following Labour Weekend on Tuesday, October 24, which is considered theft, though Mayor Gary Kircher was not displeased by the incident

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November 8, 2023 2:28pm
Jack5

The Reserve Bank plans to restrict overseas banks operating as branches in NZ from taking wholesale business. It would also limit their size.

This means the likes of Rabobank won’t be able to service retail customers.

Why is the Reserve Bank pushing ahead with important changes like this in the interim between outgoing and incoming governments?

Details at the web site of interest-dot-co:

https://www.interest.co.nz/banking/125123/rbnz-restrict-banks-operating-nz-branches-overseas-banks-wholesale-business
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November 8, 2023 2:38pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/301004965/major-optus-outage-millions-unable-to-make-calls-including-000-or-use-internet-in-australia
One of the cleaners at the data centre pulled out a power cable so she could plug in her Dyson.
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November 8, 2023 3:16pm
Maggie Pie

TRIGGER WARNING

Here’s Jacinda LIVE….still wondering how she can ‘improve peoples lives’ 🙁

https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1721943007342002634

(OMG – the comments aren’t only from NZ but worldwide.)
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November 8, 2023 3:21pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  The comments should be bottled. They are GOLD.
  
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  November 8, 2023 3:35pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Agreed. I don’t usually bother reading comments… but the prospect of a few others laying into the most vile, destructive leader in NZs history compelled me to dive in. And oh the joy!
    
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    November 8, 2023 3:53pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    TBH, I think the ‘damehood’ has gone to her head Blogsie.
    She’s started to actually believe her own lies.
    Pathological liars often live in some sort of fantasty land that they’ve created,
    in which their ‘truth’ becomes reality.
    
    Just saying.
    
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    November 8, 2023 4:13pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/133248135/woolworths-launches-direct-to-boot-grocery-pickup-service
What is next ?
If you spend over a certain amount a Woolworths employee will follow you home and spoon-feed you ?
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November 8, 2023 3:28pm
- Ghost
  
  Nothing new. We click and collect from pak n save. Pull into the allotted car park, text them, they bring it out and pack it in the boot for you.
  
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  November 8, 2023 3:36pm
Swifty

For decades I’ve seen the left of New Zealand politics label, abuse, spit at and on, vilify and slander righty politicians and usually with absolute impunity, a free ride from the media and frequently as a source of great lefty amusement.

In return, it appears at times the most the right will respond with is a strongly-worded letter to the editor.

But wait! What’s this? The left finally getting a bit of what they’ve been handing out for years?

https://i.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/133175468/young-election-candidate-speaks-out-about-campaign-experience-for-the-first-time

And what is their reaction? They don’t like it, they say? Well I never!

Welcome to the world you have created lefties.

Maybe, just maybe, you won’t be so quick to roll around the floor laughing when people like Joyce and Brash have things thrown at them and people gleefully sing about raping the daughters of politicians.

But I wouldn’t bet on it.
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November 8, 2023 3:38pm
- Ghost
  
  That’s sad, but the few times I saw him walking around Timaru people mostly ignored him.
  
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  November 8, 2023 3:43pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    No, it’s not sad. If you go to work a for a company, or stand for election in a political party, you first need to check out that company’s or party’s track record.
    
    With the Labour government’s track record of death and destruction over the last 6 years, what did he expect? That people would invite him in for tea and scones?
    
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    November 8, 2023 4:42pm
    - Ghost
      
      There is no excuse for abusing a candidate. It angers us when the left abuse the right, we should be above that
      
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      November 8, 2023 5:13pm
      - Swifty
        
        I quite agree.
        
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        November 8, 2023 7:08pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        Just telling a snowflake “I wont vote for you or your party because your party is full of Marxists and thieves”, would be considered abuse by anyone that is delusional about the Labour party track record.
        
        But stating the facts is not abuse. Everything has a time and place.
        
        If you go into hospital for a hernia operation and get pumped up on drugs, and you notice they have mixed you up your chart with another patient who is having his leg amputated. Saying “Stop right now you f*cking idiots.” is both acceptable, and desirable.
        
        Everything has a time and place.
        
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        November 8, 2023 9:10pm
      - Ghost
        
        No everything doesn’t have a time and place, spitting on a candidate does not have a time and place. There is no time and place for physical abuse emotional abuse, any type of abuse, no matter how you try to justify it.
        
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        November 8, 2023 9:23pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        Actually it does. Part of restorative justice that was being worked on a few years ago before Labour got in, was to allow the victim, e.g. the partner of the murder victim, the person with the missing eye and scarred face, the person who cannot sleep because of the brutal rape etc. – to allow the victim to meet the criminal (restrained) so that the victim could ‘say their piece’ in order to get closure.
        
        And if that meant saying some home truths and shouting at said rapist, murderer, criminal then that was to be considered acceptable.
        
        You don’t get to rape, murder, assault and ruin peoples lives, and get to be treated all dainty.
        
        You don’t get to kill or maim people with a vaccine, force people into suicide, ruin their businesses and lives and expect to be treated all dainty.
        
        It takes a lot of self restraint to tell someone a home truth, and not get angry, when they are a representative for the organisation of hate and democide that ruined their life. The very self restraint this current govt did not demonstrate when knowingly committing crimes against the people of this country.
        
        I’ve seen hardened police get very emotional and upset at criminals and on behalf of the victim.
        
        You can’t expect to metaphorically put a jackboot on someone’s face and crack their skull, then get all upset when they spit on you.
        
        Yes, we should all be polite, and most of us are. But when some poor souls have been harmed, and lives ruined, and are looking at a very bleak future as a result, and said govt has gaslighted them, you can understand that those people may “lose their shit”.
        
        I’m not condoning bad behaviour, but I understand those that get angry when their lives have been ruined.
        
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        November 8, 2023 9:59pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  I speak five languages but Ethan Reille uses words I do not know. I’m not going to go through the trouble to look them up if German, Dutch, English, Spanish and French don’t work.
  
  If Ethan wants to communicate in New Zealand he should use plain English.
  
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  November 8, 2023 5:34pm
Benedict Yu

This is why we should bring back mental institutions.

I was filling the Celica up with petrol today (just clicked past 300,000 km yesterday 🙂 The guy filling up nearby was going insane. Screaming. Banging his fists on his car. He brought the petrol tank cap up to eye level and screamed that the petrol cap was a “f****** useless piece of shit”.

I got the impression he was having difficulty screwing the petrol tank cap back on. I locked myself in the car and stayed there until I was sure he had left. 🙁
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November 8, 2023 4:18pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  “This is why we should bring back mental institutions.
  I was filling the Celica up”
  
  To cut a long story short…. 😀 😀 😀
  
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  November 8, 2023 4:31pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    We all have different priorities. The values of individuals emerged from the Enlightenment when Europeans escaped tyranny. Not all of us prioritise Brazilian waxes, swimming pools, pavlovas, tennis, expensive houses and stupid expensive cars. These people are not mentally ill.
    
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    November 8, 2023 5:29pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Ya don’t know wot ya missn’ Bene!
      
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      November 8, 2023 5:58pm
  - graham
    
    What’s wrong with a Celica? If it can still be going strong past 300,000 km and not costing a packet to maintain, why wouldn’t you keep it?
    
    I had a Nissan Pulsar that made it to around 340,000 km and was still going fine mechanically. The only reason I got rid of it was that it was starting to let water in to the boot.
    
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    November 8, 2023 5:45pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Look after a Toyota and it will last a very long time. Good value!
      
      Quality oil is relatively cheap. Engines are expensive.
      
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      November 8, 2023 6:58pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  I can understand why NZ has an under-the-carpet epidemic of mental illness.
  
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  November 8, 2023 6:56pm
  - miltonF
    
    For people who understand science, economics and value truth, the last couple of years has been extremely hard. The govt has been literally insane. Clown world stuff. It’s been so hard to keep my cool when we’ve been continually bombarded with propaganda claiming 2+2=5. Especially when the brainwashed masses keep telling me 2+2 has always equalled 5. 2+2 must equal 5 because that’s what the experts claim. “Are you a mathematician? No, so how would you know what 2+2 is?” “You are part of a tiny minority of people who think 2+2=4, so it’s YOU that’s the crazy one!”
    
    It just does my head in…words can’t even describe the crazy we’ve been subjected to.
    
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    November 8, 2023 8:26pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      I get it Milton. I have family members in NZ who now look mentally quite shaky post what the toxic clown show unleashed on NZ.
      
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      November 9, 2023 11:51am
Rumblestrip

Just saw the strangest thing.

I was walking outside Dunedin Town Hall about an hour ago and saw the now-commonplace sight of a person sitting with a roughly cut cardboard sign begging for change. Their sign specifically asked for money “to fix their car.”

The beggar’s car was… and I swear this is true… a Jaguar XJ6.
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November 8, 2023 5:27pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  No way.
  
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  November 8, 2023 5:57pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I was touring through Alexandria last week. I hit a wall and broke the front bumper. I went to the nearest Mitre 10 and bought some epoxy resin and a can of spray paint.
  
  https://www.mitre10.co.nz/shop/epoxy-121-repair-anything/p/321463
  
  Amazing stuff. Maybe I should have launched a public appeal. 🙁
  
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  November 8, 2023 6:01pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Small donations not on the cards. It has to be $100 +
  
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  November 8, 2023 6:11pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Mind you Rumbles…yu can get one on TM for 3k.
  
  LOL!!
  
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  November 8, 2023 7:02pm
- kevn
  
  Rumble… WINZ is normally the first stop for benes to get quotes for car repairs. Ask any garage,
  I came across a guy at my garage getting a quote to get his Merc fixed. Garage quite happy, payment quick if quote accepted they say.
  
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  November 8, 2023 8:57pm
Inandout

Optus is still having outages and their PR appears to be appalling. Yes a diverse Com Manager looks to be incompetent. Many mobile addicts are staring at home screens, I kid you not.
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November 8, 2023 5:49pm
Dougal10

Is Willy making lots of racial noise as to distract people away from election miscounting issues.
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November 8, 2023 6:32pm
Maggie Pie

I’ll tell you something that has really started to rip my panties….
and thats the number of callers to ZB Talkback who obviouly have English as their second language. Can harly understand a word they’re saying half the time.
I mean you’ve only got to move the dial away from 1080 to realise they all have there OWN stations anyway. You don’t hear New Zealanders phoning in there.
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November 8, 2023 6:58pm
- graham
  
  “… you’ve only got to move the dial away from 1080 …”
  
  Maggie, Maggie, Maggie … have you not heard of
  FM?
  
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  November 8, 2023 9:07pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Just that in that bathroom my partner keeps his old Bush tranny on the dresser.
    Used to belong to his mum till she gave it to us for safekeeping. Heavy old thing but has great sound…. can actually listen to it even over the hairdryer.
    
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    November 8, 2023 9:46pm
Swifty

His party has just been in government for six years and now he’s bleating that ‘the government’ doesn’t pay early childhood teachers enough!

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/education/301004586/early-childhood-education-teachers-strike-for-better-funding-of-sector

FFS.

Churchill won the war in less time!

They take us all for fools.
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November 8, 2023 6:58pm
Gravelroad

Discussion over evening meal has turned to why it is taking so long for a new government to be formed.
Would have thought that Mr Luxon and Mr Seymour would have had their ducks in a row long since.
So is there some other reason why we are in governance limbo?
HDPA on radio tonight reckoning the Labour lot might end up having their warrants re-signed to provide some stability.
Surely not.
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November 8, 2023 7:21pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Knee tremblers behind the bike sheds can happen in 10 minutes. Marriages, in this case philosophical marriages/marriages of principles take a lot longer to work on and negotiate before signing on the dotted line. And the cards were only dealt at 3pm last Friday. So it is early days yet.
  
  Are you suggesting that Winston, Luxon, or both, simply drop their political trousers and betray voters by signing away what they campaigned on?
  
  I don’t want a government of loose gooses. We’ve had 6 years of that.
  
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  November 8, 2023 9:29pm
NZer In Exile

I signed up for Costco (in Aus) recently and had a good wander around. The membership cost me $65 AU for a year.

Some things are cheaper than the competition, many things appear not to be. I could get much cheaper toilet paper at the local supermarket (IE Coles own brand at 19c per hundred pieces).

Costco’s own brand (Kirkland) washing powder appears (according to some web articles) to be a re-brand of Persil and is well priced (though you need to buy a 5KG container. IE bulk, which is their whole shtick).

They have some discounted “designer” brand clothing as well. IE $30 or $40 Levis jeans that would normally be at least double that price(I think).

They had an optician, eyewear shop, and dentist (I think) there as well. Not sure what the pricing is like on those. Oh, they also had a tyre shop (with tyre fitting) there.

Apparently according to reviews, Costco’s frozen foods section is very good. I’ll have to go back and have a good look at that.

The big isles (basically warehouse style pallet racks) are not labelled with what’s in them so that is painful. Lots of wandering around to find stuff.

They also have petrol stations. The one I saw didn’t have stunning discounts at the time. Just middle of the pack re prices it seemed.
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November 8, 2023 7:35pm
- ecco
  
  There’s a whole Facebook group of 100k people on there discussing Costco Westgate. The petrol there was significantly cheaper at $2.62/L this week.
  
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  November 9, 2023 6:57am
NZer In Exile

They also have certain vitamins that are cheaper than the competition( made in Canada).
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November 8, 2023 7:46pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  They’ve got a 3kt+ Diamond Ring here for $150k.
  One of the girls from tennis hubby imports stones for the trade…reckons he could get me a similar one for 80k.
  I decided not to join-up after hearing that.
  
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  November 8, 2023 8:13pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    It kind of looks like the place was designed for people who drive bloated RAM pickup “trucks”. IE they do everything super-sized. Australia is after all a kind of wannabe USA for many people there.
    
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    November 9, 2023 12:03pm
NZer In Exile

From “Watts Up With That” website:

Dumped by New Zealand, Jacinda Ardern Still Pushing Climate Action

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/11/07/dumped-by-new-zealand-jacinda-ardern-still-pushing-climate-action/

The comments are, interesting. 😝
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November 8, 2023 7:48pm
Ghost

Leaked email, oh, I guess the knives are coming out for hipkins leadership already

A leaked internal email from Labour volunteers shows MP Helen White’s team cites party leader Chris Hipkins as one of the reasons they nearly lost the stronghold seat of Mount Albert, reports Newshub.

Article
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November 8, 2023 8:11pm
Ghost

This is actually a good video to watch, poor media, can’t get any answers, lol. A change from 6 years of having everything leaked to them including the questions to ask the govenrment

3news
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November 8, 2023 8:16pm
Hugh Jarse

Hipkins gets signed in for another 4 weeks to allow Winston First to continue with his dance of the seven veils, he is going to go with Labour, thanks to all those that voted for this one man wrecking ball.
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November 8, 2023 8:57pm
- Ghost
  
  No, he will go with national.
  
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  November 8, 2023 9:05pm
Hugh Jarse

I hope you are right Ghost and if you are then he should bloody well get on with it instead of this pantomime. The longer this goes on the more damage gets done to business, our economy and our credibility as a country and this governments credibility as being able to run a stable government. Luxon is going to have difficulty running interference for him early next week. Patience is wearing thin.
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November 8, 2023 9:24pm
Inandout

How refreshing to watch TV news on Sky and get a balanced breakdown of world events. ABC are radically left and Nine little better, especially reporting the Gaza events. Sky reports a Jewish man on Oct 9th was viciously assaulted in a Sydney park because he removed a Palestinian anti Israel poster. The man spent 4 days in hospital with serious injuries from being kicked and beaten by 4 Arabs.

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November 8, 2023 10:05pm
Ghost

Good to see the muslim association has come out against the vandalism at the Jewish Community centre
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