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NeverMindTheBollocks

Food Safe NZ declares a rahui on shellfish gathering across the Hawkes Bay due to paralytic toxin.

No word on whether customary rights are affected.
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November 2, 2023 8:03am
- krazykiwi
  
  Gastroenteritis is a customary right, surely?
  
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  November 2, 2023 8:38am
- RoboRob
  
  Perhaps they should put a ban on it too? Does whatever a rahui is apply only to those teReo speakers?
  
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  November 2, 2023 9:09am
- NZer In Exile
  
  “Rahui” adds confusion. Is it some ancient Maori thing or is it simply a ban until further notice. Why not just use language that everyone will understand clearly???
  
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  November 2, 2023 9:36pm
Chuck Bird

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An excellent cartoon by Emmerson about Chris Bishop today.

Rod Emmerson’s cartoons: Week of October 30 – November 5

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/rod-emmersons-cartoons-week-of-october-30-november-5/IC6XCAM7OBCSLDDJ22WKEBXI2A/
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November 2, 2023 8:05am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Not much point posting material behind a pay wall.
  
  EDIT apologies I was mistaken 😳
  
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  November 2, 2023 8:09am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I get “Oops! Looks like a dead end. Back up or head to our homepage….”
    
    Presumably as my VPN/Browser blocks their attempts to track me.
    
    [Mod – I get that too, it’s not your vpn]
    
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    November 2, 2023 9:28pm
- pdm
  
  Chuck – Luxon’s response to Bishop’s tweet makes him look like a `control freak’.
  
  The last thing New Zealand needs is another of those type of Prime Ministers.
  
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  November 2, 2023 8:09am
  - cmm
    
    Yup, It was Aunty Helen’s control freakery that stripped Labour of any talent and gave us the level of “leader” we had for the last 6 years.
    
    Regardless of whether they are in power or opposition, we should hope for strong leadership throughout government – not the cry-baby narcissists we have.
    
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    November 2, 2023 8:15am
  - Random T Person
    
    Yeah I saw Bishop got a slap down for being passionate about something – well, not just ‘something’, but the wilful murder of more than a thousand Jews. Last time was this passionate, ironically, was about a similarly Fascist action, forcing untested medical treatments on an entire nation’s population.
    Hard to see who to feel sorry for here, apart from the murdered Jews.
    
    [Mod – use correct names]
    
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    November 2, 2023 8:20am
    - Random T Person
      
      Chris Bishop himself referred to…himself…like that. He should wear it.
      
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      November 2, 2023 10:22am
    - kowloon
      
      What slap down!.
      Luxon is going to raise the calibre and decorum of Parliament.
      A new experience for many of the public, accustomed to a fawning media; and abysmally low standards in Parliament, particularly at Question Time.
      
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      November 2, 2023 10:58am
      - Jack5
        
        More relevant is who authorised or decided NZ’s vote in the UN last Friday on the Gaza war.
        
        NZ voted for the UN resolution for a truce, while similar countries. including Australia, Canada, and the UK, abstained.
        
        Those against, as well as the US and Israel, included Fiji, Tonga, and Papua New Guinea.
        
        Given NZ is between governments, who decided how NZ would vote?
        
        If you go down page on this link you will find the voting list:
        
        https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/27/unga-calls-for-humanitarian-truce-in-israel-hamas-war-how-countries-voted
        
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        November 2, 2023 11:14am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Yes, and do not forget Maureen Pugh.
    
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    November 2, 2023 8:43am
  - peterwn
    
    But look at Jacinda’s government. Jacinda did not oversee her Ministers sufficiently meaning her government was in a big mess leading up to the election – so much so that her position became untenable and she knew it.
    Chris Luxon does not want to end up in a similar position in 2026. He needs to exercise oversight over his Ministers (usually at Caucus and Cabinet meetings) but not so far as to be micro-managing things.
    
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    November 2, 2023 8:47am
    - Paulus
      
      I was under the impression that Ardern totally controlled her Ministers and that they were afraid of her and what she would do if the did not do what she said – that applied to her staff too !
      Her Chief of Staff was very powerful to0 if they did not do what she said or did.
      Ask Dr Gaurav Sharma.
      
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      November 2, 2023 11:01am
      - Ghost
        
        Clark and Key controlled their ministers. The ministers controlled ardern
        
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        November 2, 2023 11:03am
  - nathie
    
    Sorry Pdm, don’t think it is ‘control freak’ behavior, actually think Luxon’s message (to Bishop) is to respond with authority and dignity …. and not get too emotional i.e. don’t over-hype rhetoric like the Greens and TPM do.
    
    Would rather see more grown up responses than the immature one-sided nonsense the Left spew out and propagate via the callous MSM.
    
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    November 2, 2023 8:49am
    - pdm
      
      Fair comment Nathie.
      
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      November 2, 2023 9:26am
    - Paulus
      
      Anything that any National MP says will be jumped on by the media irrespective of its merits.
      
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      November 2, 2023 11:01am
  - Vinicius
    
    There does need to be discipline when in government. One of the major reasons the outgoing Labour mob got a toe in the posterior from the voters was a serious lack of discipline from ministers.
    
    National will need be mindful of not having loose cannons sounding off. Also Bishop isn’t the National Foreign Affairs spokesperson (Brownlee is).
    
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    November 2, 2023 8:59am
    - pdm
      
      Vini – my understanding is it was a personal tweet by Bishop to a constituent who then dropped him in it by making it public..
      
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      November 2, 2023 9:28am
      - kowtow
        
        Yep and te media pahti have whipped it up into the usual frenzy .
        
        Meanwhile the extremist Hamas hugging Loons at the Maori Party are calling for the most utterly ridiculous expulsion of ambassadors and yet from the media and cartoonists ,the usual silence , relatively.
        
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        November 2, 2023 9:39am
  - RoboRob
    
    I thought Luxons ‘reply’ was triggered by constant pressure from the media to ‘apologise for Bishops terrible comments’. Luxon instead said ‘people have strong opinions on this issue’, which I thought was fair and a non-apology.
    
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    November 2, 2023 9:13am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    pdm, cmm and Chuck,
    
    I disagree.
    
    Chris Bishop is a very senior National MP and will be a very senior Minister. He can’t opine on New Zealand’s foreign policy in a way that is different to the official line, which had already been stated by the Leader.
    
    No Prime Minister, from either side of the political divide, would allow senior ministers to set out their own views of foreign policy in a way that is different to the official line. Cabinet Collective Responsibility!
    
    In this instance all western nations have a pretty consistent line. 1) Hamas committed atrocities, 2) Israel has the right of self defence, 3) Israel must act in accordance with the laws of armed conflict, 4) Humanitarian supplies must be allowed through including a pause if necessary, 4) Israel must get serious about a two state solution.
    
    I would say that this is a co-ordinated response that all western countries have agreed on by consensus. It is clear that Chris Luxon has been briefed on this agreed response.
    
    Chris Bishop as an incoming senior Minister should have understood this. Well, he certainly does now.
    
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    November 2, 2023 9:18am
    - pdm
      
      Wayne at present Bishop is nothing more than a Senior MP in the Government Elect.
      
      There is no Cabinet so no Cabinet Collective responsibility until Cabinet is sworn in.
      
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      November 2, 2023 9:31am
      - peterwn
        
        That is splitting hairs. Even though the new Government has yet to be formed, senior National MP’s need to act to the same standards as Ministers and accept unofficial collective responsibility. It will be interesting to see if Chris Luxon leaves Chris Bishop at no 3, or drop him a few places. As for junior National MP’s they need to abide by Keith Holyoake’s advice and breathe through their noses for the first three years. They also need to abide by Jonathan Hunt’s (former Labour speaker) advice to find out how the place works.
        
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        November 2, 2023 9:46am
      - septic skeptic
        
        Peterwyn, while I can agree that we don’t need any Aaron Gilmore moments – your oft repeated request for about half the Nat MPs to keep their mouths shut is pretty silly IMO. They are elected to the house of representatives where their duty is to represent their constituents. Not just be party hacks. Same applies to ACT, it needs to be more than just Seymour.
        
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        November 2, 2023 10:25am
    - cmm
      
      “I would say that this is a co-ordinated response that all western countries have agreed on by consensus.”
      
      That is the scariest thing I have read this week.
      
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      November 2, 2023 10:02am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Why on earth is that scary?
        
        What is wrong with the NATO Plus (Turkey excepted) nations agreeing on a common line?
        
        They know the rest of the world will either be neutral or will effectively back Hamas.
        
        The western nations have historically got Israel’s back, for fairly obvious reasons. When 1,400 Israelis have been slaughtered (equivalent to 50,000 in the US in 9/11) then surely the western nations are not going to abandon Israel. They won’t want Israel to go crazy, hence Biden’s statements about US reactions after 9/11, but they will understand Israel is going to react at a level unparalleled in recent years.
        
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        November 2, 2023 10:31am
      - Jack5
        
        “Co-ordinated response”?
        
        See, a few posts above in this thread, how NZ’s UN vote differed from that of Australia, Canada, the UK, the US, and even Fiji and Tonga.
        
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        November 2, 2023 11:17am
    - Cassandra
      
      NZ voted for the UN resolution, unlike every ally, with the approval of Luxon. You’re writing nonsense, Dr Mapp. NZ should, at a minimum, have abstained and if not then Luxon should have demurred.
      
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      November 2, 2023 10:27am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Luxon’s stupid response is why I did not vote National. He is poll driven and worked out that there are more Muslims than Jews.
      
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      November 2, 2023 10:49am
      - Ghost
        
        No matter what Luxon does you will always moan. Luxon rightfully told him to be mindful of language. You’ve made it into far more than it was
        
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        November 2, 2023 11:15am
      - peterwn
        
        His objective is to win elections, not to try and be all things to all people. Finding out the mood of the electorate on various issues to help maximise votes is all part of meeting that objective. Did you really want Chris Hipkins and co to win the election?
        
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        November 2, 2023 11:51am
      - Prince
        
        Oh God, we’re going to get 3 years (at least) of Chuck Bird’s nonsense.
        
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        November 2, 2023 3:25pm
    - kowloon
      
      Well, he certainly does now…..
      get with it Wayne;
      the media are gearing up for a full campaign to discredit the first competent government that NZ has had for six years.
      most journalists will be on the unemployment roll by mid 2024
      
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      November 2, 2023 11:04am
    - Taieri
      
      Israel must act in accordance with the laws of armed conflict
      ————–
      
      Do the laws of armed conflict also apply do Hamas?
      If so, does it comply?
      If not, why should Israel comply?
      
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      November 2, 2023 11:14am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Seriously?
        How can a nation still be described as a civilised, if they decide the laws of armed conflict no longer apply. That was what the Nazis did when they invaded Russia. Seen as the most brutal invasion of the last 100 years.
        Even if Hamas breaches the laws of war that is not a free pass to then disregard them in response. In the same way the Police don’t stop being bound by the law when dealing with depraved murderers.
        
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        November 2, 2023 4:39pm
      - Taieri
        
        Even if Hamas breaches the laws of war that is not a free pass to then disregard them in response.
        —————
        
        What is your view on Hamas using civilians as human shields? How is Israel to deal with that?
        
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        November 2, 2023 6:09pm
    - Cassandra
      
      If you read Bishop’s tweet it has nothing to do with NZ’s foreign policy and everything to do with someone emailing him in support of Hamas. Luxon should have supported Bishop instead of trying to sound like the Boss.
      
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      November 2, 2023 11:25am
      - Ghost
        
        Bishop should have been smart enough to realise he was being set up and his reply would be posted online. National ministers need to be more aware of gotchas
        
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        November 2, 2023 11:28am
      - Prince
        
        He is not a minister.
        Not his fault that 2% of National’s term is spent twiddling their thumbs while some bureaucrats sit around counting votes.
        
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        November 2, 2023 3:27pm
      - Ghost
        
        He is about to become a very senior minister. Don’t blame the electoral commission for the time taken, labour changed the law to 3 weeks, blame labour
        
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        November 2, 2023 3:35pm
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      Israel must get serious about a two state solution?
      
      Well when you figure out how a democratic country is supposed to negotiate that with a murderous terrorist regime who has the annihilation of Israel as its primary goal let us know, won’t you.
      
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      November 2, 2023 9:30pm
- kowtow
  
  “Excellent” ?
  
  Nope, Luxon and the Nats live rent free in Emmerson and the other Whoreald cartoonist’s heads.
  
  It’s more a signal of a very unhealthy, left leaning, obsession, bordering on mental illness .
  
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  November 2, 2023 8:19am
- nathie
  
  Disagree about it being an “excellent” cartoon – Emmerson is being his usual a**hole self denigrating the Right (remember him constantly mocking John Key) and of course he dared not mock his beloved Left particularly Ardern or Mahuta (foreign affairs) or Robertson despite 6 years of incompetence and failures offering MSM cartoonists endless material to satirise which they blindly ignored and instead focused on the Opposition (National/ACT).
  
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  November 2, 2023 8:33am
  - igm
    
    He is no better than those patheticc left-wing apologies for cartoonists at “Stuff”.
    What will they do when taxpayers’ money runs out and the company becomes insolvent?
    
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    November 2, 2023 10:30am
    - Prince
      
      I think the answer is the cartoons have been binned already.
      
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      November 2, 2023 3:28pm
  - Michael Sommerville
    
    I cannot uptick you enough on that comment.
    
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    November 2, 2023 1:29pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  I wouldn’t have said it was a cartoon about Chris Bishop; it was a cartoon making fun of the size of New Zealand compared to the rest of the world.
  
  But then again, I would never have thought it was excellent, no matter what it’s about, and it wasn’t even remotely funny.
  
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  November 2, 2023 8:42am
  - Vinicius
    
    The Kiwi cartoonists apart from Garrick Tremain are neither very funny nor waspish enough unlike some of the US political cartoonists who have a field day lampooning Trump and Biden et al.
    
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    November 2, 2023 8:54am
  - Biscuit
    
    Agreed, Loddenthinks.
    
    This (latest) conflict just shows the utter inanity of virtually all ‘diplomacy’, the ‘United’ Nations included.
    
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    November 2, 2023 9:04am
  - rouppe
    
    Oddly Muldoon-esque likeness….
    
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    November 2, 2023 9:19am
- BeaB
  
  Just as he always used to leap on every little thing Ardern and Labour did.
  
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  November 2, 2023 10:14am
artemisia

Wellington City Council these days is in the news for all the wrong reasons. That presents an opportunity for a coordinated plan for a different council in 2025. Fewer ideological flakes recklessly spending OPM. More sensible folk looking out for that OPM and stopping the city’s ongoing descent into unliveable.

Will the gauntlet be thrown down?
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November 2, 2023 8:05am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Behind a paywall… but it’s easy to get the gist of the story..
  
  https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350102629/mayors-secret-meeting-multi-millionaire-cinema-bosses
  
  I’m sure Tory’s fellow Greens will be delighted to learn of her secret meeting with Reading Cinemas’ owners.
  
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  November 2, 2023 9:55am
  - Matt Long
    
    From what I see of demographics, Tory’s constituents are high income white managerial classes who would love this kind of thing. Arts, Culture and Cinema, not boring infrastructure.
    
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    November 2, 2023 12:53pm
- alphabeatrium
  
  No… look at the recent electorate results. So many left wing pinkos. That’s why I left for the regions.
  
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  November 2, 2023 11:06am
  - artemisia
    
    Part of the reason for Wellington voters going red and especially green is they don’t think they have skin in the game if – for example – they are not paying tax or if they are renters.
    
    There is an opportunity to change the skin in the game. Like when they complain about rental prices or conditions they are referred to council spending decisions / regs, government compliance mandates / regs and the massive cost increase in emergency and social housing due to new risks for owners.
    
    Labour did a good job with its relentless slogans past few years until voters stopped believing them – 9 years of neglect, warm dry home is a human right etc. Those who want to change that narrative could take a leaf or two out of that playbook.
    
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    November 2, 2023 12:21pm
- Steve Todd
  
  Timely comment, artemisia.
  
  As you know, I have been telling the Right for several years now, that it is their fault that Wellingtonians continue to elect Lefty councils. If the Right do not get seriously organised over summer, and if they are not up and running by Easter, or soon after, nothing will change in October 2025.
  
  The Right need to have a right-wing/conservative grouping comprising a core number (say, four in each ward) of recognisably high-quality candidates, out their campaigning by mid-2024, to ensure their names are thoroughly in the forefront of people’s minds come election time.
  
  The trick for the Right is to give those right-leaning voters who don’t vote in local Wellington elections, a reason to do so; to get their participation rate up as high as possible. That means high-profile candidates.
  
  Will the gauntlet be thrown down? Good question. Will sufficiently high-profile, quality, candidates come forward? I suspect not.
  
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  November 2, 2023 12:01pm
Bridgenag

November 15, 2021 was an extremely dark day across New Zealand as the ‘no jab, no job’ mandates were forced upon us. [NZ doctors]

Vax Mandates and Employee Termination: Arbitrary and Capricious
Support for the unjustly terminated

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/vax-mandates-and-employee-termination?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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November 2, 2023 8:06am
- cmm
  
  Yet another example of the western consensus that Wayne Mapp writes of above.
  
  Can’t have any dissenting views. Everyone sing form the UN/WHO songsheet.
  
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  November 2, 2023 10:04am
- wairarapapaul
  
  All in NZ who were “mandated” out if their jobs should also be fully compensated. A disgusting blot on Labour’s scorecard which shows how far they have strayed from their union roots. I will never vote Labour in the future and actively encourage others to do the same.
  
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  November 2, 2023 11:54am
  - miltonF
    
    All those mandated out of their jobs should receive full compensation, their jobs back (if they want them) and a sincere apology. Fair’s fair.
    
    The “vaccine” to this day, has never been proven to have any effect on the transmission of the virus whatsoever. Fact’s are facts.
    
    In that sense they were completely arbitrary terminations. Lawyers are going to have a field day with this.
    
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    November 2, 2023 2:03pm
Simon

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Hamas “horrific barbarism” & Israel has a right to defend themselves.

Ok. Then why didnt Israel operate a secure border against such barbarism? You had Israeli Phil Twyford in charge of border security. Take the loss.
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November 2, 2023 8:07am
- kowtow
  
  ‘Take the loss.’
  
  You mean such as babies literally cooked in ovens .
  
  I can’t imagine you’d “take the loss” .
  
  Typical though of the appeasers .
  
  “They” get to do what they like . “We” are told to take it on the chin.
  
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  November 2, 2023 9:45am
- cmm
  
  Yes the wall was breached. But it still plays a massive role in curbing incursions.
  
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  November 2, 2023 10:06am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Ban Fireworks?
I have a far better idea. Ban idiots with fireworks.
Fireworks were never a problem when I was a kid. I don’t know why the behaviour has changed.
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November 2, 2023 8:09am
- krazykiwi
  
  Don’t support banning … but I have to admit to doing all kinds of foolish, hyper-engineered experiments with fireworks when I was a kid. One involved combining several rockets, wings, and “Thunder” crackers to build an inter-suburb cruise missile that packed quite a punch.
  
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  November 2, 2023 8:14am
  - Random T Person
    
    Awesome, Krazy. We used to make black powder, various bombs, and even experimented with a mixture of potassium chlorate and sulphur, which when struck with a hammer produced an almighty bang (and decent recoil on the hammer). We put that mixture in percussion cap tins and placed same on the railways. BOOM. Very, very unwise, and very, very dangerous. But things that go bang are always fun when you’re a kid.
    
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    November 2, 2023 8:22am
  - RockyJ
    
    #me too. Like holding a double happy in my fingers then letting the wick burn down into the body of the cracker then dropping it into a bucket of water. The idea was that the cracker would explode under water and shower us in drops. Cool but dangerous
    
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    November 2, 2023 8:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Stupidest thing I did was hold a small skyrocket and lit it.
    Yep I learnt my lesson. Just surface burn.
    
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    November 2, 2023 10:57am
  - wairarapapaul
    
    Sparkler bombs were the bomb
    
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    November 2, 2023 11:56am
    - Colville
      
      Match head bolt bombs 🙂
      
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      November 2, 2023 2:17pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Was there a demented criminal underclass when you were a kid? There is your explanation.
  
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  November 2, 2023 8:15am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Demented criminal underclass – no.
    We just had common sense (not common anymore) I blame that on lack of education. Today’s teachers are really not that bright. Reading, writing, and math, nope, never mind that. Marxist teachings? Yer let’s go for that.
    
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    November 2, 2023 8:24am
    - cmm
      
      We also had good feedback (aka punishment) when we crossed the line. That helped us to learn the reasonable boundaries for our actions.
      
      Now the kids of today get zero feedback. They only get that when they wrap a stolen car around a telephone pole.
      
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      November 2, 2023 10:09am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        And collective punishment when some little shit would not own up. Half hour detention for the whole class. I gave him a hiding on the way home.
        
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        November 2, 2023 11:00am
  - rouppe
    
    The gangs were a constant presence when I was a kid in Rotorua in the late 60’s-70’s.
    
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    November 2, 2023 9:21am
- Flossie
  
  I remember when I was at school in the ’60s a kid who blew his hand off trying to make a bigger cracker out of several small ones.
  
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  November 2, 2023 9:34am
  - bennerg
    
    A candidate for the Darwin Awards?
    
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    November 2, 2023 10:25am
  - Colville
    
    I used to dive with a skipper who blew is hand off playing with ammunition that he recovered diving on the Poor Knights…The cordite in some of the rounds was still ok after 40 years underwater…
    
    But on the bright side…what better than a hard drinking skipper with a stainless steel claw!!
    
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    November 2, 2023 2:22pm
- Opie
  
  Fireworks go off pretty much every weekend here year round.
  
  I see no reason why you should be able to let them off in a residential area.
  
  And they are so boring now. Up they go and boom, right over someone else’s house. All hours of the night.
  
  I usually buy some to let off outside the main culprits houses on my way to golf at 6.30am. I figure it might help the deplorables to get up early and have a productive day. Or at least get into their hangovers early. You know, maybe make some better life choices.
  
  Hope for rain.
  
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  November 2, 2023 10:08am
krazykiwi

I attended the Free Speech Union’s panel in Wellington last night. So much wisdom in display from Lord Johnathon Sumption and Sir Bill English. It pressed home to me how vapid and intellectually bankrupt have been our leaders of late.
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November 2, 2023 8:09am
- Notsofast
  
  Any video or broadcast being posted?
  
  Meanwhile Old Twitter was a state publication completely controlled by the far left.
  
  Elon Musk explains to a fancy dressed Joe Rogan on Lotus Eaters podcast.
  
  https://youtu.be/Mu8pGiWJTtY?si=hevMgOkrvd2_dt5T
  
  Paula Penfold and Stuff have fled in terror.
  
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  November 2, 2023 8:32am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    I would check the FSU web site, facebook or youtube. It was videoed – just may take a day or two to be posted…
    
    It was an interesting set of comments from Sumption and Bill English to a set of questions focused on free speech….
    
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    November 2, 2023 10:52am
- thirteenstars
  
  Tell me, did the subject of banning gang patches come up? Michael Laws interviewed Jonathan Ayling this morning and it was a pretty disgraceful display from Laws…
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwgqYy8hU14
  
  …with his trademark sneering cynicism and misrepresentation on full display.
  
  I agree with the FSU. Banning patches is grandstanding and sets the most horrible precedent. The police have all the powers they need to crack down on gangs. They just have to get off their backsides and use them.
  
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  November 2, 2023 4:10pm
G152

The grass is growing so its Mowvember
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November 2, 2023 8:10am
cmm

When a kid is being abused and feels powerless it often comes out in bullying or animal cruelty because they need an outlet to feel they are no longer bottom of the pecking order.

50 cents and a servo pie says this kid is in a massively abusive household and is another one of OT’s dropped balls.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/132798123/teen-admits-killing-neighbours-puppy-after-cutting-its-throat-hitting-it-with-crowbar
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November 2, 2023 8:12am
- Blog-aholic
  
  It is also clinically researched that people who mistreat animals in their youth are much more likely to become killers of other people in their adulthood.
  
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  November 2, 2023 8:17am
- greybeard
  
  And there are proven connections between animal cruelty and a progression to violence against humans.
  
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  November 2, 2023 8:18am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Especially sexual violence in later life – it’s one of the strongest markers.
    
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    November 2, 2023 8:43am
- Benedict Yu
  
  No doubt. He is also at high risk of graduating from torturing animals to torturing people.
  
  I don’t envy the incoming Minister in charge of OT. It is not clear that the system can be fixed. How do you deal with a criminal underclass bashing and killing their children?
  
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  November 2, 2023 8:19am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    How do you deal with a criminal underclass bashing and killing their children?
    
    You remove the kids from that environment…
    
    Yes, they may lose their whakapaka links, and the abusive whanau may lose their family $upport $$$, but the children survive…and perhaps even thrive.
    
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    November 2, 2023 8:27am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Remove – like bail him to the next door neighbour?
      
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      November 2, 2023 8:32am
    - thirteenstars
      
      Also, if a parent is found guilty of such abuse they should be told any future children they have will be taken by the state and adopted out.
      
      That cuts off the income stream to the parent, saves the child from abuse, and allows the child to grow up with parents who genuinely want to raise a child for the right reasons.
      
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      November 2, 2023 4:35pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    …and that leads you full circle to the sad case of baby Ru…
    
    OT did what? An uncle comes forward reported he requested OT uplift the baby a year ago…OT did nothing.
    
    Ann Dury, and Marama Davidson blame CIS white middle class males for all violence.
    
    Meanwhile since OT was established 50 children have died under the watch of OT.
    
    Then to add insult to the injury, the family of violent thugs, close ranks and protect the perpetrators.
    
    What a sad excuse for a society we have in modern NZ, in which the state fails to fulfill its social contract, “talking heads” throw squirrels and are listened to, meanwhile violent thugs live among families meeting out their violence to the next generation, if those children indeed survive childhood!
    
    Bleak, bloody bleak!
    
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    November 2, 2023 8:54am
  - pdm
    
    BY first thing I would do is change the name of Oranga Tamariki back to an English one.
    
    Probably won’t stop the problems but will be a good first step in that direction.
    
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    November 2, 2023 9:37am
    - artemisia
      
      The OT Maori name reinforces every single day that the littlies at risk are all Maori. Of course that is not the case, but the message is working. Subliminal perhaps, but powerful.
      
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      November 2, 2023 9:43am
    - BeaB
      
      In this case a Maori name is appropriate.
      We read far too many tragic stories of abused Māori kids.
      
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      November 2, 2023 11:34am
  - JeffW
    
    For the longer term, change the DPB or whatever it is called now so that there are restrictions on how many children get funded by state. The underclass is to a reasonable extent created by government funding.
    
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    November 2, 2023 1:40pm
    - artemisia
      
      National attempted something like this, but I don’t think it was very successful. If another baby was born while on benefits, the parent was required to be work ready when the little one was 12 months old, provided the next youngest was at least 5. The idea being for the family to be on the same footing as a working parent.
      
      Bit hazy on details, but something like that.
      
      There is the UK example where child tax credits are limited to 2 children. Maybe here Working for Families, Accommodation Supplement?
      
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      November 2, 2023 2:30pm
- KH
  
  It’s not always the fault of the services when individuals make evil decisions.
  
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  November 2, 2023 8:26am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Police need to flag this teenager and keep an eye on him. Human rights and all that aside, he is very likely to offend again and progress in to worse things like torture killing of other animals or humans.
  
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  November 2, 2023 8:43am
oldpark

Hamas Official: More Attacks Until Israel Annihilated. A War With Only One Winner.
Could it be a re-run of the Historical “100 Years War”.

A senior Hamas official accused Israel of occupying Palestinian land and vowed that his terrorist group will continue its attacks until the Jewish homeland is annihilated.

Ghazi Hamad, a member of Hamas’ decision-making political bureau, said Hamas will commit more attacks on Israel.

“Israel is a country that has no place on our land,” Hamad said during an interview on Lebanese Broadcasting Corporation International (LBCI). “We must remove that country because it constitutes a security, military, and political catastrophe to the Arab and Islamic nation, and must be finished. We are not ashamed to say this, with full force.”

The LBCI host asked Hamad whether his accusation of Israeli occupation referred to the Gaza Strip, where Israel Defense Forces currently are fighting Hamas.

“No, I am talking about all the Palestinian lands,” he said.

“Does that mean the annihilation of Israel?” the host asked.

“Yes, of course,” Hamad answered.

Hamas terrorists attack Israel on Oct. 7. More than 1,400 Israelis have been killed and more than 200 hostages were taken to Gaza.

“The existence of Israel is illogical,” Hamad said. “The existence of Israel is what causes all that pain, blood, and tears. It is Israel, not us. We are the victims of the occupation. Period.

“Therefore, nobody should blame us for the things we do. On Oct. 7, Oct. 10, Oct. 1,000,000 — everything we do is justified.”

Hamas termed the sneak attack on Israel “Operation Al-Aqsa Flood.”

“We must teach Israel a lesson, and we will do this again and again,” Hamad said. “The Al-Aqsa Flood is just the first time, and there will be a second, a third, a fourth because we have the determination, the resolve, and the capabilities to fight.

“Will we have a price to pay? Yes, and we are ready to pay it. We are called a nation of martyrs, and we are proud to sacrifice martyrs.”

Hamad claimed his terrorists “did not want to harm civilians.”

“There were complications on the ground, and there was a party in the area with [a civilian] population,” he said. “It was a large area, across 40 kilometers …”

Hamad earlier this week stormed out of a BBC interview after being pressed to explain how it was justifiable to murder families in their homes while they slept.
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November 2, 2023 8:15am
- kowtow
  
  “100 Years War”
  
  Nope , it’s been running for approx 1400 years .Literally.
  
  Problem is most people in the west don’t understand that.
  
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  November 2, 2023 9:51am
I remember when

Rawiri Waititi had a long rant on Newshub last night without seeming to think Hamas were in any way responsible for the fighting.
No mention of the original attack, deliberate killing of unarmed civilians or taking of, and later killing of, hostages.
The criminality of Hamas deliberately hiding soldiers amongst the civilian population.
Ignoring the positioning of tunnels under schools, hospitals, major civilian infrastructure.
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November 2, 2023 8:16am
- herb1
  
  I am pleased and relieved that Rawiri Waititi has a Maori name , unlike other self appointed leaders such as Willie Jackson and Kelvin Davis. I take a slight embarrassment due to my colonial heritage when either of the two latter open their mouths , but with the former the embarrassment is sheeted home to Maori, where it belongs.
  
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  November 2, 2023 9:55am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Rawiri wrong on a point of detail, philosophy, logic or morality? Quelle surprise.
  
  Aside from being a toxic race-grievance huckster, he also comes across as a genuine dimwit.
  
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  November 2, 2023 1:51pm
vand

Emmerson’s cartoon is another sour grapes dig at National. The rule is apparently MPs can speak out but only where they follow the leftist line.
For example no problem for the Green’s leadership to spout their drivel like Israel practises genocide and apartheid, along with their pernicious river to the sea (destroy Israel) mantra
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November 2, 2023 8:22am
Paulus

I was told 60 year ago that every boy should have a puppy dog and have all my life since.
Unconditional love grows with them and from them.
But I worry about the boys of today in many circumstances, and sadly this could be one of them.
Why ?
No Consequences.
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November 2, 2023 8:23am
Dudley Quaffquaff

What a sad story, about the eighty-year-old now in prison for killing his wife of sixty years and then attempting suicide rather than facing life separated from her as a result of her impending transfer into dementia care. Apparently the onset of dementia isn’t grounds for assisted dying, so they were left having to do it themselves and naturally he made a poor job of it. Surely we can do better
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November 2, 2023 8:24am
- Taieri
  
  assisted dying
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  “Assisted” dying used to be called murder…
  
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  November 2, 2023 9:34am
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    In less compassionate times, yes it was treated as such. These days we have a better approach to people coming towards the end of their lives who wish to save themselves prolonged and pointless suffering.
    
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    November 2, 2023 12:23pm
    - Taieri
      
      These days we have a better approach to people coming towards the end of their lives
      ———
      
      As evidenced by Canadian practices, where last year alone more than 13000 people were put out of the misery by euthanasia. That is 4.1% of all deaths in that country in 2022. Very compassionate and enlightened indeed…
      
      https://www.city-journal.org/article/canadian-death-cult
      
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      November 2, 2023 12:35pm
      - Dudley Quaffquaff
        
        That’s terrible. Over 300,000 people died – but only about 4% of those got to take control and choose the time and the manner of their dying. That’s over 280,000 people who died at a time, and in a way, that they didn’t want.
        
        We are all going to die. From the tone of some of the anti-assisted-dying rhetoric, one would think that the alternative to assisted dying was, not dying. It isn’t. People who aren’t assisted still die, but they do so in ways not of their choosing. Personally I very much hope that when I go, it will be with formal and legally sanctioned assistance directed by my own choice. What’s your preference?
        
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        November 2, 2023 5:08pm
      - Taieri
        
        only about 4% of those got to take control and choose the time and the manner of their dying
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        Did they, really? Read the article.
        
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        November 2, 2023 6:05pm
    - alphabeatrium
      
      He needed help. Not help murdering his wife and committing suicide, but help coming to terms with the reality and enormity of his situation (I won’t pretend it’s an easy one). It’s not truly compassionate to wash our hands of the situation by giving the option of just ending it all. Compassion literally means “suffer with another”. To be compassionate therefore requires that we share in suffering. Assisted murder is not sharing in the suffering; so it is not actually compassionate. It’s an abrogation of our responsibility to one another.
      
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      November 2, 2023 1:09pm
      - Colville
        
        So whats the word for when a loved one wants you to help them die and you refuse?
        
        Arrogance?
        
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        November 2, 2023 2:25pm
Maggie Pie

Anyone else catch that lawyer on 1Ewes who was representing the Muslims at the Coroners hearing into the Mosque massacre, asking the cop from the AOS….. “if they would have done anything differently if the victims had been white?”

In the circumstances, it would have to be one of lowest, most racist, disgusting things to ask anybody, ever!

They lost us I’m afraid 🙁
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November 2, 2023 8:31am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Stop watching local TV news. You will feel much better when your sanity returns.
  
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  November 2, 2023 8:34am
  - krazykiwi
    
    You’ve seen the dark corners of ‘X’ that Maggie visits on our behalf. Quitting broadcast news is unlikely to strengthen her sanity 😉
    
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    November 2, 2023 9:02am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Ouch
      
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      November 2, 2023 9:18am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Yes I heard that and was pretty disgusted. Imagine if police had let ambulance people go straight in and the ambulance people ended up getting shot as well. Very easy for lawyers in their posh suits and ivory towers, who are not in that situation and have the benefit of hindsight to question their actions on the day.
  
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  November 2, 2023 8:46am
  - Paulus
    
    I understood that as the Police are always in charge in New Zealand in such events, that the Ambos could not move until the Police permission had been given, They as usual were ultra cautious – unwisely in this time.
    
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    November 2, 2023 11:09am
    - cmm
      
      “unwisely in this time”
      
      That’s not the right way to think about it. It’s like saying you wasted your time putting on your seatbelt this morning because you didn’t have a crash.
      
      Decisions need to be made with the information that is available. That is how they should be judged too – not by other information that becomes available later.
      
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      November 2, 2023 11:51am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      Sorry but I agree with cmm below. When there is an armed offender it pays to err on the side of caution. As taking the chance and sending in the ambos earlier, the downside of being wrong is a couple of dead ambos.
      
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      November 2, 2023 2:46pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  I saw that too and I thought it was the most disgusting thing a person could ask. The policeman answered it well I thought.
  
  That said I think he should have stated for the recored that being a professional who deals in situations and people he would have dealt with it the same way because as that professional they do not deal in race, religion or colour, they deal in humans in human situations.
  
  That lawyer should be ashamed for even uttering that leading racist unjustified question.
  
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  November 2, 2023 9:03am
  - Paulus
    
    Now normal practice for Lawyers wanting to make their name.
    You see it more often now.
    
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    November 2, 2023 11:10am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Net even as a professional – simply a decent human being.
    
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    November 2, 2023 2:49pm
- OlderChas
  
  Yes I saw it Maggie and found it hard to believe. Had I been the cop under questioning I would have told her first that that is the most disgusting question I have ever been asked in a court before replying in much the way he did. And the ‘judge’ (Coroner) sat there and let it pass without comment or censure of the ‘lawyer’!
  
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  November 2, 2023 9:12am
- rouppe
  
  I did. And I heard the disgusted snort from the witness.
  
  But it’s clear now what this is about.
  
  This is taking an Australian and transferring his actions into a nation-wide prejudice of all white people.
  
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  November 2, 2023 9:24am
- cmm
  
  Softening us all up for another round of pay up because of white guilt.
  
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  November 2, 2023 11:51am
- Tricati
  
  I believe the solicitor was Kathryn Dalziel, sister of ex-mayor and Labour MP, Lianne Daziel so being toxic seems to run in the family.
  
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  November 2, 2023 2:00pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Maggie, I bet you support freedom of speech eh?
  
  I accept that people are going to call me awful things every day, and I will always defend their right to do so.
  Barack Obama
  
  So your love freedom of speech Maggie(and other KBers) except for this lawyer???
  
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  November 2, 2023 6:58pm
  - Ghost
    
    how dare people express outrage at a stupid insulting comment that our emergency services respond based on the race of those involved.
    
    How dare they express their right to free speech about a lawyer attacking our emergency services
    
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    November 2, 2023 7:43pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Maggie Pie didn’t state that the Lawyer shouldn’t be permitted to ask that question…
    she merely opined that it was a low, racist, disgusting thing to do.
    
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    November 2, 2023 7:47pm
Benedict Yu

I remain puzzled by the “gays for Palestine” groups. I can only assume that they don’t understand what happens to gay men in Gaza.

Anyway, one such gay man for Palestine received a swift lesson when he took a “pride flag” and joined a pro Palestinian rally in London. No surprise, he was immediately set upon. The flag was destroyed. It is not clear what happened to the flag bearer. Hopefully he had the sense to run far away.

https://youtu.be/-YFlJ89Yqq4?si=ffZYCGojEX1zVemL.

Any openly gay man in Gaza would be immediately killed. Of course a gay man can support the Palestinian cause. However for a gay man to conflate such support with his sexuality is foolish.
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November 2, 2023 8:32am
- ClanMcleod
  
  It’s useful idiots who think virtue signaling by supporting the latest ‘thing’ makes them look good.
  
  You see it best on Facebook when these clowns change their frames like most people change their socks.
  
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  November 2, 2023 9:01am
Paulus

Is it true that the media are pushing Paddy Gower as Labour leader
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November 2, 2023 8:32am
- lifesgood
  
  OMG. That would be even worse than having to look at Jacinda every day.
  
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  November 2, 2023 2:14pm
artemisia

Te Pūkenga Here Tikanga Mahi * is in high dudgeon about thousands of people in the public sector likely losing their jobs. Well they would say that, wouldn’t they. Nothing to do with member subscriptions, and thus some of their own staff given the DCM, of course.

Most taxpayers would say thanks to a new frugal government cancelling stuff.

Not to worry though. The laid off will be able to take their redundancy and recreate themselves as small online only businesses. Maybe they should read this article first though.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2023/11/cost-of-living-nearly-one-in-four-online-only-new-zealand-businesses-have-been-liquidated-since-2020-centrix-report.html

*PSA, but you’all knew that, right?
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November 2, 2023 8:40am
- greybeard
  
  A quick Google check gives the following numbers:
  
  30th June 2017: 48,900 public servants
  31st March 2023: 62,710 public servants
  
  August 2023: 27,000 public servants in Wellington alone.
  
  So, an increase of nearly 14,000 public servants during the last 2 Labour-led terms.
  
  How many of these would be front-line nurses, doctors, police, teachers etc ?
  Bugger-all I would think: most will have been stuffed into back-offices to shuffle papers and reduce the unemployment figures.
  
  All the new government is proposing is to return to more logical levels.
  
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  November 2, 2023 10:05am
  - cmm
    
    “August 2023: 27,000 public servants in Wellington alone.”
    
    And we wonder why Wellington votes the way it does…
    
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    November 2, 2023 11:53am
- kowtow
  
  PSA
  
  Publicly subsidised arseholes.
  
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  November 2, 2023 11:21am
I remember when

Study predicts hundreds of jobs: North Taranaki Midweek.
A new study of potential jobs in offshore wind estimates that just one project in South Taranaki could create work for hundreds of people.
(Also Notes.)
Most of the planning and operational work could be done in New Zealand but tens of thousands of job hours required for the construction of towers, rotors, and the foundation the turbines sit on are most likely to be completed offshore.
For the sake of the study, the operational phase was set at 30 years, after which the turbines are either removed, or repowered – essentially replaced with new towers.
In 2019, when Labour ended new offshore oil and gas exploration, it stated there were about 4700 people directly employed by the sector.
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November 2, 2023 8:48am
- hullkiwi
  
  IRW, having been involved in project advisory on various energy projects, the two forms of energy generation that do not create jobs in any significant numbers are wind farms & solar power farms.
  
  Reality with many types of infrastructure development projects, when tangible benefits are not that obvious, flowery rhetoric with unquantifiable forecasts (usually jobs that will flow, and economic benefits) are the order of the day.
  
  When you get that, you get a lemon or white elephant.
  
  Examples of this are Crossrail (London, UK) & CRL (Auckland).
  
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  November 2, 2023 10:09am
  - artemisia
    
    Once ‘lots of jobs will flow’ is accepted there is a strong push for those in charge to make sure that happens, by hook or by crook. With the added side benefit of officially sanctioned empire building and the increased subsidies of course.
    
    And if the jobs entail paper shuffling, communications advisors and placating the usual suspects, well they are still jobs flowing so what’s the prob.
    
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    November 2, 2023 12:47pm
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  Any idiot can “create jobs”. Make it a legal requirement for everybody to get their hair professionally cut fortnightly and you’ll create loads of jobs for barbers and hairdressers. Ban the use of mechanical diggers in construction and you’ll create loads of jobs for men with spades. Ban spades and you’ll create even more jobs for men with spoons, probably women as well since they’d likely be no less inefficient.
  
  New jobs are a result of prosperity. They’re not a cause of it.
  
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  November 2, 2023 12:59pm
Maggie Pie

Aunty Heihei is a National Treasure 😀
If you’re not already following her on ‘X’… you should be.

Here she is, tearing Kelvin and JT a new one!

https://twitter.com/AuntyHeihei/status/1719450257996796030
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November 2, 2023 8:49am
- Don Beckett
  
  If my memory serves me correctly, ‘heihei’ is a chicken.
  I could be wrong – it’s nearly 50 years since I studied the Maori language.
  
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  November 2, 2023 10:49am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You could be right actually Donald.
    According to the latest copy of Te Aka, it now translates as… KFC.
    
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    November 2, 2023 10:57am
ClanMcleod

Elon Musk: The Ventilators, Not COVID, Destroyed Lungs

https://vigilantfox.substack.com/p/elon-musk-the-ventilators-not-covid

Remember how the US suffered high death rates ‘from’ covid? No they didn’t.

“80% of the people they put on ventilators died,” Joe Rogan told billionaire entrepreneur Elon Musk on the Joe Rogan Experience Tuesday.

“Yeah. So, in fact, I actually posted about that,” responded Musk, “because I called doctors in Wuhan and said, ‘What are the biggest mistakes that you made on the first wave?’ This is early on. And they said, ‘We put far too many people on intubated ventilators.’ So then I actually posted on Twitter at the time and said, ‘Hey, I’m what I’m hearing from Wuhan is that they made a big mistake in putting people on intubated ventilators for an extended period. And that this is actually what is damaging the lungs, not COVID. It’s the treatment. The cure is worse than the disease.’ And they, people, yelled at me and said, I’m not a doctor. I’m like, Yeah, but I do make spaceships with life support systems.”

In the US, under their health insurance system, hospitals were paid $8000 when a patient was admitted assessed as having covid. If they put them on a ventilator they ‘earned’ $32,000.

“Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it’s a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for – if they’re Medicare – typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it’s COVID-19 pneumonia, then it’s $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000.”

https://www.healthleadersmedia.com/finance/fact-check-hospitals-get-paid-more-if-patients-listed-covid-19-ventilators

Just as bad was the UK which doubled the use of Midazolam and morphine on elderly patients during the pandemic. Midazolam suppresses the respiratory system.

All sedative drugs suppress the central nervous system in a dose-dependent manner. Typically this is accompanied by a reduction in CO2 responsiveness in the medullary respiratory center. Loss of airway control and respiratory depression are the most common serious adverse effects associated with sedative drug administration. The greater the degree of sedation, the greater the degree of respiratory depression. Respiratory depression increases when combining sedative drugs or when using large doses of a single drug.

https://www.pediatrics.wisc.edu/education/sedation-program/sedation-education/sedation-respiratory-depression/

When you read stories claiming there was a deadly pandemic which cites the US and UK initially high numbers, refer back to this post.
People were killed by the treatment they were given. In some cases, it looks like murder. Especially the intubating for money in the US. No, not all, but it was a perverse incentive in a for profit health system such as Medicare in the US.

The UK overuse of Midazolam and morphine is a whole other story.
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November 2, 2023 8:53am
- krazykiwi
  
  Yup. The second phase of SARS-CoV-2 disease progression relates to oxidative stress … so pumping in more, higher o2 content air was never going to end well.
  
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  November 2, 2023 9:05am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    And apparently the whole invasive process of stick tubes into the airways often led to infection and bacterial pneumonia.
    In many states in the US the medical facilities had the ability to designate a death as ‘probable’ covid without a laboratory diagnosis.
    Of course nobody would have abused this ability just to treble their income when a patient died…..//
    
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    November 2, 2023 9:29am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Dr John Campbell posted a Youtube video yesterday on the subject.
  
  Referring to the ongoing inquiry in the UK. Questions that need to be asked around the failure to adequately protect the vulnerable and the overuse and inappropriate use of drugs like Midazolam and morphine which was used to euthanise the elderly.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qt9ILENJGU&t=203s
  
  The UK has at least begun asking the questions. The most high profile people involved, like Dominic Cummins are being brought to the witness stand and being asked questions about their actions at the time.
  
  The basket case called NZ? Get your booster! Safe and effective!! It’s beyond embarrassing.
  
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  November 2, 2023 9:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Dad had 3 open heart surgeries in the 70s. He told me many times to avoid ventilators if I could. You can’t rest, you are at the will of timed, forced breathing. Some like to just stop breathing for say 10 to 15 seconds. A ventilator will not let you do that. Just slowly wears you out.
  Dad died at 67, but he looked like 85.
  
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  November 2, 2023 9:42am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    That’s sad Steve. One of the few positives I have gotten out of the last 3 years is, I’ve learned more about my own health system and how to look after it.
    I’ve also developed a very healthy (pun intended) skepticism of the health system.
    
    Not one of the experts and nobody at our local medical centre ever suggested that diet, exercise and exposure to vitamin D via sunlight could help ensure our immune systems would be in a better position to deal with any virus that might come along.
    
    We were all told to wait for the ‘miracle vaccine’.
    
    The head of our local facility who I regarded as a friend prior to this said exactly that to me when I expressed concern at the speed at which the jab was brought into use. I was basically told, don’t be stupid, it’ll be amazing……
    
    She’s now retired. Funny that.
    
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    November 2, 2023 9:56am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Dad died at 67, but he had 10 extra years.
      Arteries, pig valve from memory.
      Sternum never grew back together.
      
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      November 2, 2023 11:03am
I remember when

Great to see that Sam Cane has started to come to terms with his being ‘red carded’ in the final.
Hopefully, the Rugby Union Judiciary will realise that the enormity of this penalty should result in no further action being necessary.
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November 2, 2023 8:53am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Hopefully the Judiciary will kick the TMO into touch, and tell them what their actual job is.
  
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  November 2, 2023 9:44am
  - Yabster
    
    yep Tom Foley is a pedantic fool- the Aaron Smith try should have stood as it was 4 phases later- the rule in law 11 says re a knock on you can only go back 2 phases- you would think a pro, pedantic TMO would at least know the rules!!
    
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    November 2, 2023 11:19am
    - Don Beckett
      
      But in addition to that, the first infringement was by the Springbok player, who knocked the ball on into Savea’s hands which caused him to knock it on – which means, “Play Advantage” for first infringement.
      Smith’s try should have stayed – AB’s win 18 – 12.
      
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      November 2, 2023 1:52pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Yawn. It is what it is. We all get to suck it up. Moaning about it won’t change anything. But I guess if it makes you feel better, then go for it 🙂
        
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        November 2, 2023 6:29pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Biden’s United States better hope they never have to go to War when they will have a Military full of transistors.
“It “enables employees to be their authentic selves”. They cannot cope with what they are according to their DNA…playing “make pretend” isn’t going to change the obvious mental health issues. If you LOOK like a girl, I will address you as “she, her, etc.”…look like a guy, “he, him, etc.”
Joe must be chasing the votes of the mentally ill.

https://crystalclearnews.com/biden-administration-imposes-woke-gender-ideology-mandate-on-officials-to-secure-employment/?
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November 2, 2023 8:59am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Joe’s chasing ice-cream and a nap.
  
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  November 2, 2023 9:14am
  - krazykiwi
    
    He won’t nap if there’s some young girl’s hair to sniff.
    
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    November 2, 2023 1:44pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Hey Maggie Pie,
You’re famous….

https://nominister.wordpress.com/2023/11/01/cease-fire-a-great-idea-maggie/#comment-34394

well, in a tiny little way….
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November 2, 2023 9:08am
- Maggie Pie
  
  It was always only going to be a matter of time 😀
  
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  November 2, 2023 9:17am
  - Biscuit
    
    Am I allowed to bask in reflected glory and mention that I have often had Kiwiblog conversations with the illustrious MP?
    
    Hell, we are SO ‘close’ she refers to me as ‘Bikkie’…
    
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    November 2, 2023 11:31am
    - Colville
      
      as long as your fist name is Soggy…
      
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      November 2, 2023 12:06pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        ……and mindful what he does with the ‘fist’. 😆
        
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        November 2, 2023 1:53pm
ClanMcleod

Another WEF global young leader does a runner and head off for a new career with their globalist paymasters.

BREAKING | 🇳🇱 Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte has announced he is available for the position of Secretary General at NATO.

https://twitter.com/EvaVlaar/status/1718231403207270685

Remind you of anyone? Think stables…….

Mind you, this man who ruined our country in less than a decade. He sold our country out to the globalist agenda, flooded it with migrants, ruined our economy and is the man behind the destruction of our farmers.

Now we know why he let the government fall some months ago – seemingly out of nowhere. It was all intentional, so he could secure himself a new job with his globalist friends.

He was literally buying himself a new job.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9hiWcSXIAATV1K?format=jpg&name=small

https://assets.weforum.org/article/image/large_FEo2dR-5LysthQs6C-q7NMqKUU8Dzvu1UPPGiU5sX4I.jpg

Of course it’s all a ‘conspiracy theory’.

https://imgs.search.brave.com/5aziSybC6sop77xGtR6WzCdZ8gqG1IaPZ7YObd9TnFs/rs:fit:500:0:0/g:ce/aHR0cHM6Ly9tLm1l/ZGlhLWFtYXpvbi5j/b20vaW1hZ2VzL0kv/NTFtS05LclhoaEwu/anBn
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November 2, 2023 9:24am
- imalwaysright
  
  I think Merkel is selling gas for Gazprom.
  Couldn’t make it up.
  
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  November 3, 2023 6:51am
cas

As if we didn’t know our justice system is up the wahzoo, the man aged 80 who killed his wife in a supposed suicide pact gone wrong is remanded in custody till next year while low lives escape custody and get to live their lives.
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November 2, 2023 9:25am
Vinicius

Should the Israel IDF flood the Hamas tunnels under Gaza to try and force the terrorists out?

The author of this article thinks so. Sounds like an idea that should be given serious consideration

https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2023/11/01/flood_the_gaza_tunnels_989879.html
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November 2, 2023 9:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sea water and sewerage will do the job properly.
  
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  November 2, 2023 9:53am
- kowtow
  
  Once they rescue the hostages .
  
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  November 2, 2023 10:07am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think the kidnapped Israelis are being stowed in the Tunnels…
  
  https://abcnews.go.com/International/israeli-hostage-released-tunnels-gaza/story?id=104250746
  
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  November 2, 2023 10:46am
Maggie Pie

It it was me, I’d wait and go during their Pride Month 😎

https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1719809243807637504
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November 2, 2023 9:44am
- Ghost
  
  Awwww, a gay ghost…..
  
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  November 2, 2023 9:51am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And one of the funniest vids ever on You Tube 😀 (7m views!)
    
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=rDo3eo3Uw4g
    
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    November 2, 2023 9:57am
ClanMcleod

More proof if it was needed (it isn’t) that Ardern is an out and out liar.

Re the revelations by Peters last week re events leading up to the Christchurch mosque attacks.

Winston was right when he said information emerged that we did not know about until the inquest, but he did not include enough details for a full understanding of what it is we learned.

The media grabbed the simplistic and literal interpretation of Peters’s tweet, jumping to Ardern’s defence using emotive language to lambast Peters, rather than delving any deeper. They emotively editorialised their headlines and commentary without doing the research. But is anyone surprised?

They glossed over it and muddied the waters by saying that Peters denied that Ardern put out a statement, which is wrong; he was questioning why the ‘full facts’ were not revealed by Ardern.

Verbatim wording from Ardern’s original statement, bolded for emphasis.

“I was one of more than 30 recipients of a manifesto that was mailed out nine minutes before the attack took place…it did not include a location, it did not include specific details. I’m advised that within two minutes of its receipt in at least my office, it was conveyed directly to Parliamentary security.”

(I understand the two minutes was not correct; it was more like eight)

However, we now know she misled us when she said it did not include location or specific details.

From the inquest it was reported:

The parliamentary staffer scanned the manifesto during the [111] call and picked out information including the terrorist’s name, age, weapon he was intending to use and location of the attack.

Approximately 24 hours lapsed until Ardern gave her statement: time enough to know this crucial information. It is just not believable that the information was not known to her when she faced the nation.

https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/11/02/ardern-misled-us-after-the-christchurch-massacre/

The worst PM leading the worst government in NZ history. What a legacy.
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November 2, 2023 9:48am
- Clownworld
  
  Jacinda stated she never lies. It was all downhill from the single source of “misdismalinformation” aka as “truth” from there on.
  Lies one after the other.
  On a side note she is a key note speaker on “lying” funded by an Irish bank early in November. It is about the Christchurch call and how to lie…
  
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  November 2, 2023 10:01am
- kowtow
  
  You are quite right.
  
  Practically the whole of te media pahti rushed , literally, to print or comment in order to attack Peters.
  Yet her blatant falsehood has been passed over by them , like nearly all her many failings over those nearly 6 long years of deceit.
  
  They continue to gatekeep the truth and control the narrative.
  
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  November 2, 2023 10:04am
- Lee C
  
  Ahh, but think of the photo-ops and selfies….
  
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  November 2, 2023 10:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  How many more lies are yet to come out?
  ‘And she ran’
  
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  November 2, 2023 10:35am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Winston was right when he said information emerged that we did not know about until the inquest,..”
  
  No wrong. Jacinda may have issued a statement that was incorrect. However the Royal Commission reported in detail on the email to the PMs Office, and that it included location details. In other words, the inquest uncoverd nothing already included in the report of the Royal Commission. Winston Peters was dead wrong.
  
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  November 2, 2023 11:58am
- kevn
  
  Clan… Give her a gong, for lying so consisitently.
  
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  November 2, 2023 4:36pm
- Ian Boag
  
  Hey Clan – what do you do with the rest of your day? Just curious ….
  
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  November 2, 2023 6:31pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Ian Boag – why are you curious? Do you think it takes all my time to post on KB? It’s not that difficult!
    
    On this day, I did two hours in the garden, weedeating and spraying. Then I had a shower.
    
    Then I went for a leisurely game of golf with good friends, stayed behind, played some darts, had a few beers and good conversations. Then went home, had dinner with my wife. We watched an episode of ‘Beckham’ on Netflix. Then off to bed.
    
    Nothing too exciting. How was yours?
    
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    November 3, 2023 7:45am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The other day I shared a link from KB to Facebook.
They removed it and told me it was “false”
No shit!

https://twitter.com/drefanzor/status/1717961933255839761?
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November 2, 2023 10:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Forgot. I clearly stated it was a creation, and it was satire, but some silly boy in short pants and the brain of a dead kumera decided it was not true.
  
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  November 2, 2023 10:40am
Yvette

From a comment above –
“Meanwhile since OT was established 50 children have died under the watch of OT”

Is this “by Maori for Maori” as the Elite may say
So, what of co-governance?
Many will be keen to see the question in any Referendum, should it ever get that far
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November 2, 2023 10:58am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

First of all Turia, Maori are not indigenous. They immigrated here (you know, canoes and all that shit)
‘David Seymore is part Maori when it suits him.’ So are you, Turia. Your father was American.
This Country is NOT Aotearoa.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/yet-another-maori-leader-talking-nonsense-this-time-dame-tariana-turia/?
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November 2, 2023 11:16am
Maggie Pie

ONE ROOF reports the biggest single RESALE LOSS on a residential property in Auckland during 2022 was $7.2 million!!

That was on JK’s old mansion in Parnell, which he sold back in 2017 for the amazing price of $23.5 million….. resold by the new owner in December last year for $16.3 million 🙁

OUCH!!
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November 2, 2023 12:02pm
emmess

Who knew Jordan Peterson was a musician?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQTDEnfW4ng&list=WL
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November 2, 2023 12:55pm
cmm

Toyota is claiming they have new EV battery technology which will be massively better and cheaper and they will be rolling out in 2026/7.

Sounds a bit dangerous to make announcements like that – it can cause massive overhangs and lost sales. Why would anyone want to pay HIGHER prices for a worse car in 2023-2025 when there are cheaper and better cars in the pipe?

But the battery claims are interesting: 1200km range and a 10 minute charge time (from 10 to 80%).

Since a car uses approx 150Wh per km, a 1200km range would need approx 180kWh. That’s massive.

Charging that from 10 to 80% in 10 minutes would require about 900kW of electricity. That’s close to 1MW. It is enough power for 1000 NZ houses (at average power consumption)!

So clearly the reality is going to be very different. No power grid can sustain a charging infrastructure like that.

Meanwhile my gas guzzler can fill from empty to full in well under a minute using standard refilling equipment. Right now. I don’t have to wait until 2026/7.
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November 2, 2023 1:28pm
- kowtow
  
  Used to be one couldn’t trust a used car salesman.
  
  Now we’ve to be wary of future cars salesmen.
  
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  November 2, 2023 1:35pm
- miltonF
  
  Toyota have been a bit of a joke really, let’s be honest.
  
  They misread the science on EVs, or fell for the anti-EV propaganda, or pro hydrogen propaganda, or all of the above. Now they’re losing customers to more innovative brands and are years behind in EV development.
  
  Their strategy appears to be “please don’t buy those superior EV vehicles from other manufacturers. We will have a magical infinite range EV available next year….trust us. patience”
  
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  November 2, 2023 2:26pm
  - cmm
    
    Overhyping your future products has always been a broken strategy. Toyota need revenue over the next 4 years if they want to stay in the game.
    
    Bottom line with hydrogen is that it is not really a fuel. It is an energy transfer mechanism like electricity is.
    
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    November 2, 2023 4:11pm
- NothingLeft
  
  They’ve been promising solid state batteries for many years, and yet nothing ever shows up. It looks like they’re just bullshitting to try and stay in EV news when they are really not doing anything of note.
  
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  November 2, 2023 2:38pm
- mawm
  
  I don’t get it. Just the other day the head of Toyota was saying that people are waking up to the reality of EV’s. The link given in the Jo Nova article below is to a paywalled site.
  
  https://joannenova.com.au/2023/10/vw-orders-are-down-50-ford-loses-38000-on-each-car-toyota-chief-says-people-are-waking-up/
  
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  November 2, 2023 2:39pm
- sirknz
  
  Let me know when the 1.21 gigawatt chargers are available.
  
  Once that happens, we won’t need roads…
  
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  November 2, 2023 2:57pm
miltonF

This is a ridiculous article by Stuffed. It’s desperately trying to suggest that driving in a car is bad for your health. If you read the article carefully, you’ll find it’s exactly the opposite. They need to change their headline to “walkers and bikers exposed to more deadly pollution than drivers”

https://i.stuff.co.nz/environment/133207390/children-driven-to-school-breathe-in-healthhurting-pollutants-research-finds
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November 2, 2023 1:39pm
Maggie Pie

TWITTER TRENDING

This is sooo scary!

Drone war is such a dreadful thing….
these poor guys with the IDF wouldn’t even know what hit them 🙁

https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1719783484779041037
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November 2, 2023 1:43pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Hama is picking up from the use of small drones as an explosives delivery platform in the Ukraine.
  They drop them right into the hatches of tanks, or attach a single RPG round and fly right into a tank.
  And troops sheltering in trenches or behind cover get a fragmentation grenade, let alone standing in the open in a bunch like that.
  Surprised there doesn’t seem to be much counter measures looking for, or jamming, or intercepting these smaller commercial-civilian type drones yet, despite them being used as improvised weapons.
  Drones need to intercept other drones, attach a claymore mine to the interceptor.
  
  These armed drones seem to loiter around battlefields, and I have never seen one been noticed by the folk on the ground in any of the footage from the Ukraine. Just a little background noise probably covers them at such distances, and it is like a Skylark singing – you need to listen out for it, and then try to find a small dot on the sky…..yep, just another dangerous aspect on top off IEDs, booby traps and snipers which ground troops can expect.
  
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  November 2, 2023 2:12pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Amazingly, later reports on this say no one was killed but 4 soldiers were injured…one was an 18 yo girl.
    
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    November 2, 2023 2:45pm
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      That is good news. It looked like a very small device, and perhaps dropped into sand. The damage was something I wondered about, as it knocked over several people – good news if they can live and maybe even get to grips with Hamas another day.
      This is why the Ukrainians dropping devices into confined spaces like tanks hatches, or even the stovepipe of a shed sheltering Russians (like I have been told) is the way: it would maximise the effectiveness of smaller explosives.
      
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      November 2, 2023 3:44pm
    - cmm
      
      “one was an 18 yo girl”. So what?
      
      She was a soldier. When you have a uniform on, and are on the battlefield, then nobody cares how old you are and what you’ve got in your pants.
      
      Israel has many female soldiers. Apart from the fact that conscription of women is shorter, those that get into combat roles are treated no differently from the men. Some get killed – same as the men.
      
      Calling out that they are anything other than soldiers is asking for special treatment etc. That is one of the quickest ways to ruin an army.
      
      Israel has not fallen into that hole. Females are expected to perform at the same level.
      
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      November 2, 2023 4:20pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    The drones have changed warfare forever. In Ukraine the conflict has stalemated with no significant targets within 15-20km of front line safe from drones (this is one-way range of drones). Tanks and Russian Artillery have to be closer to be useful and are almost all quickly wiped out by this, nullifying their utility. Troops dig in deep and try to move around at night when bomb FPV drones aren’t operating, and basically do WW1 style assaults of a few men at a time over no-mans land to make very expensive small gains in territory without presenting a target for long to drones or remaining artillery.
    
    The first AI drones are starting to enter service – where AI vision and control improves terminal accuracy of drone once target is selected when transmission lag and jamming can screw up FPV, and will see the drone-denial strip extend even further from front lines.
    
    Ukraine has been very short on tanks and artillery shells etc compared to Russia (using about 5-7k a day on each side), but drones have made them mostly obsolete anyway, and are cheaper and easier to source than shells. Each side is now using close to 1000 FPV drones a day, and it’s only increasing up. Likely within a year even moving around at night won’t be survivable and no-mans land will be 10-20 km wide.
    
    The last remaining conventional weapons of much use are longer range surface to surface guided missiles like HIMARS and ATACMS and large air launched glide bombs of 50-70km range, which the Russians have but the mostly airforceless Ukraine don’t – and big bombs are really the only way of clearing deeply dug in troops.
    
    Unless or until Ukraine get ability to hurl much bigger bombs much further distances to clear dug-in defenses they are not going to make any significant progress against Russia. But neither are Russia getting anywhere against Ukraine. It’s all headed for expensive and brutal stalemate, as in long years of WW1
    
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    November 2, 2023 2:59pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/17/politics/us-ukraine-long-range-atacm-missiles/index.html
      
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      November 2, 2023 3:03pm
    - BananaLlama
      
      Throwing penny packets of men and vehicles at the enemy isn’t going to change anything, drones or no drones.
      To see the kind of advances that the Russians made during the start of the war they had to sacrifice the better part of their vehicle fleet which was in the tens of thousands.
      Giving Ukraine one hundred of this and two hundred of that is not sufficient. They need tanks and vehicles being delivered in the thousands, constantly, and no one has the political will for it.
      
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      November 2, 2023 6:16pm
      - Taieri
        
        They need tanks and vehicles being delivered in the thousands, constantly, and no one has the political will for it
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        Not just the political will. No one has the required resources.
        
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        November 2, 2023 7:43pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        The winning lesson of WWI was that to break through well dug in defenders you needed heavy saturation bombing of a small area for extended periods to kill everything.
        
        Ukraine need the ability to drop 10’s of thousands of heavy bombs accurately on Russian defenses or millions of artillery shells or 10s of millions of mortar bombs. There’s just no substitute for explosive tonnages.
        
        Western artillery shell production is taking too long to ramp up – will take years.
        
        It could be done with millions of bigger and ideally night-vision enabled FPV drones, which leans on existing global electronics industry and could be done in maybe a year.
        
        Or it could be most easily and immediately by supplying 100’s of fighters and pilots (or really any small private jet that can ascend to 40000ft with 500-1000kg payload, if could retrofit some weapons pylons) and 10’s of thousands of $30k JDAM glide bombs (the US produces 30000 a year). Staying well back from front line to avoid missiles.
        
        But west seems intent on dragging out conflict as long as possible. Drip feeding Ukraine just enough to keep them in the fight, possible reasons:
        -Avoid nuclear escalation.
        -Attrite Russia’s military and economic power as much as possible.
        -Keep war going to maximize armament industry profits.
        
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        November 2, 2023 11:04pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    https://strategypage.com/htmw/htarm/articles/20231009.aspx
    The new Merkava 5 wont be bothered by all of that.
    Also it can carry 6 Soldiers due to the engine being in the front
    
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    November 2, 2023 3:01pm
- mogg
  
  Could easily be fake propaganda.
  
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  November 2, 2023 2:46pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You’re such a Doubting Thomas moggs!
    Why would they go to all that trouble just to fake it?
    
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    November 2, 2023 3:08pm
    - mogg
      
      How do we know it’s not a vid from Ukraine, also the attack on Israel by Hamas was murder, rape, torture, terrorise then retreat quickly and call for a ceasefire and negotiations so that the Western media can them blame Israel for the war. It’s all about the propaganda and the useful Marxist idiots in MSM.
      
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      November 2, 2023 3:38pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Not the Ukraine, clearly.
        
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        November 2, 2023 4:04pm
      - mogg
        
        The internet and especially YouTube is full of fake video, some of it obviously so but also plenty of it very convincing.
        
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        November 2, 2023 4:24pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, Israeli scientists are already working on jamming the controls of these drones. Never underestimate Israeli technology, the finest in the world.
  
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  November 2, 2023 3:08pm
lifesgood

Her name is actually Juliana. I can’t be bothered with these Maori taking on Maori names to try to reinforce their privilege
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November 2, 2023 2:29pm
- lifesgood
  
  This comment is out of place. My fault. I’m referring to Tariana Turia.
  
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  November 2, 2023 2:47pm
- MCōs
  
  What did you make of the Royal Family changing their name from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor in 1917?
  
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  November 2, 2023 3:24pm
  - Jack5
    
    The Royal name change in 1917 was a little more complicated than that, MCos.
    
    Saxe-Coburg-Gotha was the family name of Prince Albert, Queen Victoria’s husband. Their eldest son, Edward VII, continued with his name, as did Edward VII’s son, George V, until World War 1.
    
    Anglification of the family name, especially during war, was an intelligent step. “Saxe-Coburg-Gotha” was a helluva mouthful. Besides, “Gothas” were the German bombers that attacked London.
    
    Modification or change of family names to suit the majority language or culture of the country is widespread.
    
    In NZ during World War 1, some “Walters” families became “Waters” and some “Mullers” became “Millers”.
    
    Some Asian current surnames in NZ will gradually either be modified or changed.
    
    Polynesian names containing apostrophes will likely also be modified within a generation or two.
    
    The present vogue for changing names from English to Maori is against the usual trend of minority language names being modified to be closer to the dominant, majority language.
    
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    November 2, 2023 3:54pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Barnes and the TMO will be debated for a long time. I came across this article about upgrading yellow to red.
“However, for instances of foul play, like Cane’s yellow card, the decision as to whether a card is upgraded or not does not lie with the referee or the TMO, it lies with the Foul Player Review Bunker and a Foul Play Review Official (FPRO).”
This is something I, and many others did not know. The FPRO would not be known by most TV audiences.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sports/other/sam-cane-red-card-who-really-made-the-call-to-upgrade-all-blacks-captain-s-yellow-to-red/ar-AA1jbvN3?
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November 2, 2023 3:21pm
- MCōs
  
  Whether it was the ref, the TMO or the FPRO doesn’t matter.
  It was an obvious red card as the rules stand
  
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  November 2, 2023 3:31pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So said number 8 TMO MCos.
    
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    November 2, 2023 3:37pm
Maggie Pie

Find this almost unbelieveable!

https://twitter.com/aniobrien/status/1719897634322919675

One of the girls at tennis has her kids at Kadimah…she was most upset to see this 🙁
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November 2, 2023 3:29pm
- mogg
  
  A perfect example of how effective and important the propaganda war is, this stupid woman is just encouraging Hamas to keep on doing what the are doing, because by her actions they can see that it is working.
  
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  November 2, 2023 3:49pm
- alex Masterley
  
  I wonder how tikanga maori intermeshes with the Anglican ethos of Dio.
  There might be some heat being applied in the religious studies department..
  
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  November 2, 2023 4:08pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Quite a few girls at tennis are ‘Dio-snobs’
    They’re all saying the silly bitch that sent the email
    won’t be back in the New Year. And rightly so tooo.
    
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    November 2, 2023 4:43pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Disturbing voices inside the mind. There is a video. Sound plus sound can create sound. Controlled voices? Or mental illness, or both?
I found the video interesting.

https://therecorddaily.com/unveiling-the-disturbing-voices-inside-the-mind-of-lewiston-mass-shooter/?
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November 2, 2023 3:58pm
Maggie Pie

Anyone else see the live feed on Stuff?
Luxo was giving an update on the coalition talks?

Honestly, that $tuffed outfit couldn’t organise a root in a Garden Center!
Continual buffering, loss of sound and unable to hear any of the questions 🙁

Unfortunately, after it finished and just as Chris was walking away, he accidently tripped over one of the microphones. Bet that’s what leads the News tonite.
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November 2, 2023 5:06pm
- kowtow
  
  he has a cunning plan …….
  
  ……..Joe Biden’ll be his best pal in the world.
  
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  November 2, 2023 6:22pm
Jack5

Why wasn’t this despicable woman’s name published?

She threw a tiny terrier so hard against a wall that bones were broken and a lung collapsed.

Why publish the name? And if the Court suppressed publication why wasn’t that reported?

First, she deserves to feel people’s contempt for her cruelty.

Second, some research indicates cruelty to animals can be a predictor of violence to humans – and this woman is a mother.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/301000997/woman-threw-dog-so-hard-against-wall-his-lung-collapsed
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November 2, 2023 5:34pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Prohibited from owning a dog for 3 years! GOOD GOD.
  
  If i’d beeen the judge, i’d have have jailed the horrible bitch for 3 years.
  
  They walk among us 🙁
  
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  November 2, 2023 6:23pm
  - Ghost
    
    It’s ok, she can still own her children…..
    
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    November 2, 2023 6:26pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      No mention of any of the Fathers being present either….
      
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      November 2, 2023 6:40pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  From the ‘Good News, girls can do anything that boys do’ file.
  
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  November 2, 2023 7:24pm
kevn

Maggie…. What’s the odds on her children getting the whack? You could almost guarantee it.
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November 2, 2023 7:18pm
Jack5

Is this coming for New Zealand?

Canada is holding immigration near-steady as it grapples with high inflation and a housing crisis.

The Canadian Government says it will also remove a 5 per cent “consumption tax” on construction of new rental apartments.

Reuters reports Canada (population about 38.5 million) is targeting 465,000 new residents this year, 485,000 in 2024 and 500,000 in each of 2025 and 2026.

On an equivalent per capita basis, that would mean around 58,000 immigrants for NZ this year. Canada ranks about 33rd in the world by GDP per capita, compared with NZ 42nd.

Two-thirds of Canadians live within 100km of the US border, leaving 96 per cent of the country’s area for the other third of the population.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-keeps-immigration-target-unchanged-next-2-years-amid-housing-crunch-2023-11-01/
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November 2, 2023 8:02pm
- Jack5
  
  Wow! Just looked at NZ immigration figures.
  
  Annual migrant arrivals in the year ending 31 August 2023 reached an all-time high of 225,400.
  
  Our immigration is running about 48 per cent of Canada’s, while we have about 13 per cent of its population. On this per capita basis, our immigration is running at a rate nearly four times that of Canada, which is cutting back its intake to battle inflation and a housing crisis.
  
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  November 2, 2023 9:57pm
alan

Ukraine lists Nestlé as international sponsor of war

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/11/2/7426855/

[Mod – please include a description with links of what it is, thanks]
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