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Maggy Wassilieff

How much longer can we prop up NIWA’s weather forecasting bullying behaviour?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYvb3epjtLY
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October 27, 2023 8:04am
- cmm
  
  There was a time when NZ weather forecasting skills and technology were truly world leading.
  
  Soon after I came to NZ (making it 1993 or so) I spent an incredibly interesting flight to LA sitting next to a Canadian weather forecaster who had spent 5 years in NZ learning from the world’s best.
  
  Now the primary qualification to be employed by NIWA would seem to be a climate activist.
  
  In my few interactions with NIWA they have failed to live up to the most basic expectations of an organisation purporting to be involved in “science”.
  
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  October 27, 2023 10:47am
Frank the tank

https://i.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/300996607/threes-7pm-news-show-the-project-will-be-axed

First woke domino to fall? Stuff next?
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October 27, 2023 8:05am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Best news I’ve heard in many months. A bunch of narcissistic airheads, particularly Jessie Mulligan. He was an especially self righteous, smug prick during covid.
  
  Along with Hilary Barry, those two were especially toxic in their ridicule of anyone daring to speak against the government narrative.
  
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  October 27, 2023 9:24am
  - pdm
    
    Clan I would add Jeremy Wells to that list.
    
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    October 27, 2023 9:35am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      pdm – when it comes to NZ media the list of long isn’t it? 🤡
      
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      October 27, 2023 9:41am
  - Opie
    
    I remember somehow I saw a clip of it where mulligan proudly told everyone that on the project they were very pro vaccine and pro boosters.
    
    Who is he to push an untested therapy on the unintelligent watching in good faith.
    
    Just a woke vacuous moron who deserves unemployment, along with the constantly offended kanoa Lloyd and the world’s least funny comedian guy Williams.
    
    May this be the start of the house of cards tumbling
    
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    October 27, 2023 10:19am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Opie – he’s now doing a regular slot in the Whoreald promoting places to eat and drink in Auckland.
      No doubt he’s doing it pro bono……../s
      
      Based on his promotion of jabs and boosters, I check out his recommendations so I know where to avoid. 😂
      
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      October 27, 2023 12:10pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    Clan: Kanoa Lloyd… ugh. Just as dreadful.
    
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    October 27, 2023 10:46am
- geoff3012
  
  How sad…never mind.
  
  Good riddance!
  
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  October 27, 2023 9:46am
- Ehlana
  
  I think it was more infotainment than actual news. And its target market may no longer watch any news show, preferring social media instead.
  
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  October 27, 2023 11:39am
- John Loveridge
  
  I won’t shed any tears for any of them, especially the dreadful Kanoa Lloyd. But I’d rather see the vile, sanctimonious Hilary Barry given the arse card.
  
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  October 27, 2023 7:13pm
Tricati

The weather forecasting shambles between NIWA and Met Service has been going on for years and is a costly experiment – Should be canned.
Good explanation on the history here.
https://theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/philip-duncan-on-the-civil-war-in-weather-forecasting
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October 27, 2023 8:12am
- Kiwiguy
  
  The weather forecasting in NZ is useless.
  The day or two leading up to Labour Weekend, our weather forecast (in our area) showed the whole weekend covered in rain and thunder storms. The weekend arrived, and the weather was lovely.
  I’ve noticed this a LOT before long weekends – the forecast is terrible, but the reality is the opposite.
  I wonder if they deliberately post some BS forecast to try dissuade people from travelling to try and manipulate the road toll?
  Surely the weather media wouldn’t lie to us, would they? Or would they….
  
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  October 27, 2023 9:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  As a boatie I used to find Met Service very good with the marine forecast.
  These days it is shit. I am going out on the water. When I say out I mean way out, like the Mokohinaus from Westhaven. I want to stay alive Met Service, so you are now off the list.
  
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  October 27, 2023 9:52am
  - imalwaysright
    
    S.O
    Try the Windy phone app.
    Lots of real time detail and the forecasts are very good.
    I think they use the data from the IBM supercomputer, best available and totally free.
    
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    October 27, 2023 10:02am
    - Morry45
      
      I bought the Premium on Windy (I run a business in gthe outdoors) and I find the hourly forecast very good,
      The best part is being able to compare 5 different forecasting models so you can draw your own conclusions.
      
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      October 27, 2023 10:25am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Drawing your own conclusions is simple, isn’t it? With practice and experience you can outdo those Met Service knobs anytime.
        
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        October 27, 2023 10:53am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I do check with Windy.com. There is a lot going on there. Main one for me is pressure (isobars) One quick look and I know what is happening – including breeze, wind, or gale.
      It is not hard to forecast. Fuck knows why Met Service screws it up.
      
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      October 27, 2023 10:33am
      - kowtow
        
        ‘Fuck knows why Met Service screws it up.’
        
        Like everything else in anything remotely to do with “state” services etc these last 6 years , their prioridies have been redirected to all things equity and diversity .
        
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        October 27, 2023 10:50am
  - k1w1
    
    Absolutely bang on the money. I used to use the boating forecast – the 1-9 score they post for specific spots out there in the Gulf. Used to be quite reliable. 1 being the absolute worst. 9 is millpond. I look out there from where I type and so often now they score it 2-3 (which should be reserved for serious storm weather) when it’s actually completely calm. They are being so over-cautious that they risk people viewing their forecasts as “boy who cried wolf” and ignoring them. At some point, someone will get killed because of it. It’s an effing disgrace.
    
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    October 27, 2023 10:07am
    - Weetbix3ways
      
      Ditto for aviation forecasts. It seems like they are so over-cautious that they predict bad turbulence and so forth over widespread areas a lot of the time – and often it’s smooth and clear.
      Indeed, they are crying wolf, and devaluing their product.
      Probably just another case of the top priority being to protect their rear-ends, everything else being secondary to that.
      
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      October 27, 2023 10:36am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Worst possible scenario is what they predict, because if they didn’t and the worst did happen, they would be at fault.
        In this ‘woke’ age nobody is responsible for anything.
        
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        October 27, 2023 10:57am
- Kiwisaint
  
  Agree…and they’ve become even more conservative since dropping the ball with the Auckland Anniversary weekend flooding event.
  
  Now the default scenario seems to be ‘worst case scenario’ predictions, especially at long weekends/holiday periods.
  
  A ‘Boy That Cried Wolf’ situation will soon arise with this constant pessimism.
  
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  October 27, 2023 11:29am
- Handyman
  
  Look at it through a left wing lens. If there was only one agency then no one can prove it wrong.
  Any private competition is easily dismissed as: “profit driven”, “American”, “has climate deniers on staff”, “wrong” (the only proof required is it disagrees with the state forecaster).
  My favourite quote is from their cousins in the climate forecasting business — “the forecast modelling was correct. Experts are investigating what was wrong with the weather”.
  
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  October 27, 2023 11:35am
Maggy Wassilieff

For folks who have an interest in how Maori perceptions of Jews have been seen in past times.

https://forward.com/community/376318/the-secret-jewish-history-of-a-violent-new-zealand-cult/
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October 27, 2023 8:12am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  The whitey girl, on the government payroll, insisted that a karakia be spoken at the opening of a company meeting. She made reference to Pai Marire in her speech. I objected as we were just 70km from Opotiki where Carl Volkner had been so badly treated by the Pai Marire movement. She was very surprised that some pin pricker, like me, could take offence to such a karakia, as normally people don’t listen to it.
  Those sort of women spout that bs and have no idea of its contents.
  
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  October 27, 2023 8:31am
  - kowtow
    
    I wonder how anyone would get on with suggesting an Our Father at the start of a meeting.
    Not to mention the media outcry .
    
    Funny how te media and labour were so keen to do away with the parliament prayer and yet want to have Maori spirituality at , well just about everything , in this once proudly secular state.
    
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    October 27, 2023 9:04am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      If it is ok for a karakia then it should be ok for anyone of any faith/religion to be given similar time to say whatever they want.
      
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      October 27, 2023 9:30am
      - kowtow
        
        Yep , “equity” , “inclusion” and “diversity” posidively demands it .
        
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        October 27, 2023 9:49am
      - G152
        
        I for one would demand what ever it is that the viking began their tribal whatevers should be used when I attend any such meeting
        
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        October 27, 2023 10:30am
    - alphabeatrium
      
      As a practiciing Catholic, if I’m ever asked to give a karakia at work, I intend to give a Christian one. If somone objects, I’ll simply say that I wholeheartedly object to being made to give or even participate in a non-Christian prayer and then carry on to explain the obvious truth that it’s unconscionable to make people participate in prayers in professional and secular contexts.
      
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      October 27, 2023 10:19am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Fairs fair, Recite the lords prayer to bless the meeting, and say grace to bless the food.
      
      Saying it in Maori does nothing to hide the fact that it is a Christian prayer that is being recited.
      
      It’s quite touching to see how Christianity is being rewelcomed back into the workplace!
      
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      October 27, 2023 2:57pm
  - Dave
    
    She was very surprised that some pin pricker, like me, could take offence to such a karakia, as normally people don’t listen to it.
    
    Which tells us something about the communicative value of a karakia in this context and the inability of indoctrinated ideologues to learn from their experiences.
    
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    October 27, 2023 9:09am
    - Hollyfield
      
      A week ago I used a train in Auckland. While on the platform a message came over the loudspeaker, in Maori. As nobody on the platform could understand it, we stopped listening after the first two words and chatting again until the English came on. Then we realised we had missed half the English and didn’t know what the message was. Something about no trains on weekdays in the evenings we thought. Everyone was wandering around asking everyone else what the message was, and nobody knew. Everyone asking was a train going to arrive, or were there no trains that evening. No idea. I ended up hearing (or more accurately, not hearing) that message 3 times and I still have no idea what it actually was. However a train did turn up, so I made my trip, but no idea why we all heard part of a message saying no evening trains when there clearly was one. I obviously missed something important. As did everyone else on the platform.
      
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      October 27, 2023 9:25am
      - Ehlana
        
        Hollyfield, I take the view that the Maori message comes first so you know the English one is coming.
        
        If they started with the English message, you would miss half of it by the time you realised there was a message and got your earbuds out of your ears to listen to it.
        
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        October 27, 2023 11:42am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Pere Paniora comes to mind. She wanted a karakia, but Kaipara Mayor stopped her. A Maori prayer is not part of Council business. It is yet just another way of pushing the Maori wheelbarrow.
    
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    October 27, 2023 9:56am
    - kowtow
      
      And that pushing of wheel barrows also very much includes a very big dose of “You will comply” with this or be labelled very nasty slurs .
      And published far and wide in the new race decrees that are proclaimed in the public square in this neo ethno fascistocracy .
      
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      October 27, 2023 10:57am
    - Nickc2
      
      I’m afraid it’s bigger than an effin wheelbarrow.
      Try a Caterpillar 6090 FS Digger (1,102 tons) purpose built for stirring shit.
      
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      October 27, 2023 1:57pm
- Colinxy
  
  “The legacy of Pai Marire was long. One of the prisoners in the Chathams, Te Kooti Arikirangi Te Turuki, would later found a new peaceful religion based on Pai Marire.”
  
  Now there’s a grand re-writing of history right there. While Te Kooti was originally a part of the Hauhau “Pai Marire” religion, he wasn’t peaceful (unless the author means peaceful like Herbert Marcuse means peaceful).
  
  I would argue that maybe the Hauhau started peacefully (a definite maybe) they certainly did not act that way. They did (foolishly) attack the redoubt on Sentry Hill for example – though I suspect that battle has been “revisioned” away in the new history/propaganda curriculum.
  
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  October 27, 2023 12:22pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    It was only a little bit of savage slaughter….
    
    or decolonisation as we call it now.
    
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    October 27, 2023 2:59pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Court of Appeal opens Coast to Maori Ownership.
Getting a bit greedy??

10 million hectares of the richest natural resources in the country covering the distance between the average spring high tide waterline and the 12 nautical mile Territorial Sea limit, along with the airspace above, the water space, and the subsoil, bedrock and mineral wealth below.

https://www.nzcpr.com/court-of-appeal-opens-coast-to-maori-ownership/#more-38710
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October 27, 2023 8:15am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  What a load of nonsense. When is this ripoff process going to end?
  
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  October 27, 2023 8:21am
  - Jack5
    
    New Zealand’s judicial system seems to have taken off on a tangent.
    
    So it’s not just the reshifting of emphasis on punishment to redemption of criminals.
    
    Other Woke influences are being reflected.
    
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    October 27, 2023 9:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You will find that Dr. Muriel Newman is straight up with her posts.
    The ripoff will end when the Waitangi Tribunal is disbanded and NZ reverts to the original Treaty. The Gravy Train must be stopped. Whitie is getting a bit pissed off with the ongoing nonsense.
    
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    October 27, 2023 10:01am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Imagine writing an agreement or contract that is subject to the Principles of Being White, or Yellow, or Black.
      
      Imagine if said Principles were undefined and were at the sole discretion of the White, Yellow , or Black signatory .
      
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      October 27, 2023 10:12am
      - Burtland
        
        dont imagine it – sir geoffrey palmer did it
        
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        October 27, 2023 10:48am
  - Drone
    
    How about never Captain Mainwaring,, Too much guilt on one side and a good thing on the otherside,,
    
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    October 27, 2023 11:15am
  - JerJer
    
    The end will be quite soon. Within 6 months, National/Act will change the law so that this transfer of ownership cannot occur, and that ownership is confirmed in law to be with the Crown/public.
    
    Next, a bunch of fat layabouts will arrange a Hikoi. They won’t need to apply for time off work, because they don’t work ever. They are supposed to walk, but, they will actually drive to Wellington and protest ourtside parliament.
    
    After that, Police should descend on the area with riot gear and batons and clear them out. Arresting those that don’t move and charging them with whateveer crimes that can, and trespass them. Labour set the precedent for this, so that will be on them.
    
    Protesters will claim racisim, and the press will go crazy and agree with them. No one will care.
    
    The law will be changed, and Nattional/Act support will increase in the next poll published following this action.
    
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    October 27, 2023 11:50am
    - Bridgenag
      
      No Hoses and bad music please
      
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      October 27, 2023 2:12pm
Tom Barker

Is the Maine mass shooter what the US Constitution terms a “well-ordered militia”?
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October 27, 2023 8:15am
- Swifty
  
  What were your thoughts on the election Tom?
  
  A fair result do you think?
  
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  October 27, 2023 9:21am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  No Tom he is a mentally ill man who has been on the FBI watch list for a while, make of that what you will.
  
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  October 27, 2023 9:53am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  ” being necessary to the security of a free State”
  The whole idea is the Citizens can defend themselves against a Tyrannical Government.
  
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  October 27, 2023 10:40am
  - Drone
    
    They tried that Steve and it didn’t work.
    
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    October 27, 2023 11:17am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It was extracted from here:
      “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
      
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      October 27, 2023 12:12pm
- Ehlana
  
  I think militia implies more than one person Tom.
  
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  October 27, 2023 11:44am
- All_on_Red
  
  Hey Tom, how is the Green Revolution working out in Germany?
  ‘A recent study has estimated that up to 68,000 Europeans may have died as a result of high energy prices this winter’
  ‘High energy prices can cost lives,” the study noted. “They discourage people from heating their homes properly, and living in cold conditions raises the risk of cardiac and respiratory problems.”
  https://www.brusselstimes.com/507457/high-energy-prices-killed-68000-europeans-this-winter-study-finds
  
  They died for the Cause eh Tom
  
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  October 27, 2023 12:22pm
Maggie Pie

PAKEHAFICATION 😎

Tau sounds a bit pissed with the Council’s decision to reject Maori Wards.

https://twitter.com/tauhenare/status/1717353546503569673

If the replies are any indication, there’s not too many who agree with him.

My fave:
“When you consider Pakehafication came with things like abolishing eating each other and bringing us things like plumbing and not just shitting in a hole…I think we have done pretty well”
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October 27, 2023 8:18am
- sirknz
  
  Some of his comments about the vote were a bit petulant to put it politely. Tossing his toys like a toddler is probably closer to the truth.
  
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  October 27, 2023 9:13am
  - surfing
    
    Labour will deliver next time they’re in power. It’s just a matter of time before NZ goes full Maori.
    
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    October 27, 2023 10:19am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    @surfing.
    Labour will deliver next time they are in power. Just like they delivered the last six times right?
    
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    October 27, 2023 11:08am
- mogg
  
  Many ‘slaves’ were meat on the hoof. That comes from one of the logs from an early trading ship, they were interested in kauri for ship’s masts.
  
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  October 27, 2023 11:06am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Yes, that dreadful Pakehafication which also brought running water, roads, written language, medicine, metals, pottery, food that didn’t answer back, education …
  
  “What has the Pakeha ever done for us….?”
  (with apologies to the Life of Brian)
  
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  October 27, 2023 3:03pm
Paulus Gnome

I wrote to Sky –

Good morning Sky Sports Advertising,

Congratulations on the brilliant, witty attention-grabbing promo of Wiremu on his bike with the handle-bar mounted speakers getting the neighbourhood engaged with the rugby world cup! A real winner!

Wiremu is cool! Wiremu has cool mates and approval of balcony deck dad! Everybody loves the little rascal that is Wiremu pedalling his way around the neighbourhood, collecting his mates with similar speaker endowed go-fast pedalmobiles! Sooooo cool! Everyone wants to be Wiremu!

Where did Wiremu and his biking buddies get the speakers that are so prominent, racked out across the front of their pedal bikes?

All got paper-runs, saved up their pocket money, odd jobs door to door, couch dive, busking? The possibilities are endless! Wiremu is not only cool, Wiremu is resourceful!

No, it is most likely that Wiremu and his mates nicked the speakers isn’t it? Stole them, reallocated the resource, borrowed indefinitely, spoils of colonisation, take your pick. Odds on, Wiremu and his buddies did not honestly acquire the speakers, most likely they stole them from a school. Any school anywhere in the country, decile one with the best resources but most challenged children to the rich pricks in decile ten who ‘had it coming to them’ envy argument, take your pick once again.

So Wiremu gets to be the cool kid but the unsuspecting children in the playground can no longer be advised of anything that needs to be relayed to them as a matter of importance or not so important because Wiremu and his gang are off being cool with their speakers!

So, Sky Sports, what are you going to do about it? I can hear the shrug of indifference from here. However, Sky Sport has to recognise their part in promoting antisocial behaviour, the theft of a school resource just so Wiremu can be cool. Not cool is it really? That is rhetorical bordering on sarcasm if the inference was too subtle, again, take your pick.

What Sky Sports can do is pay for the replacement outdoor speakers that Wiremu the cool and his buddies have ridden off into the sunset with, that would be a start. How about I list ten or a hundred schools that have had their speakers stolen that may or may not be on our own little lovable Artful Dodgers handlebars?

Sky Sports refunding the cost or supplying speakers to the unsuspecting unfortunate schools will be the beginning of an atonement for their part in the portrayal of Wiremu in our society, the depiction that tells Sky subscribers that Wiremu is not so much a bit of a resourceful lovable rogue but, a bit more of a tea leaf. Save Wiremu from a career in petty crime beginning with petty thieving, moving onto ram raiding leading to becoming yet another over-represented statistic in his hapu, save Wiremu now so he learns that there are consequences for poor behaviour.

Man up Sky Sports, get your hand in your subscribers pockets (mine included); you created the crime, now pay the dime.

Kind regards,

I am now a funny shade of blue waiting for any response . . .
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October 27, 2023 8:19am
- RichardF
  
  I mentioned this to my wife last night. Why is Sky promoting anti social and illegal behavior? These speakers are always stolen from schools, surf lifesaving clubs etc. Sky thinks they’re being edgy, they just look stupid imo.
  
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  October 27, 2023 10:05am
  - Rusty
    
    @RichardF
    
    What about noise control and the rights of people not interested? Already have these hoons driving around the streets and turning up the volume on their woofers or whatever you call them.
    
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    October 27, 2023 12:00pm
- surfing
  
  I don’t know why there is this innate attraction to people who are losers .
  
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  October 27, 2023 11:21am
  - kowtow
    
    The “industry” and their apologists calls it “edgy”.
    
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    October 27, 2023 12:43pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Thanks for your $30 Million ~~suckas~~ taxpayers

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/taxpayer-investment-in-salvaging-coastal-shipping-founders
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October 27, 2023 8:20am
- Taieri
  
  This was never going to work. Firstly, the company in question (Move) has no shipping expertise. They have some good logistics people, but that’s not enough as to run a shipping company a very specialist operational and technical knowledge is required. Secondly, you can’t built a ship they envisaged for $12 million, not even in Vietnam. And one vessel is not enough for a reliable, scheduled service, even if it is carrying your own cargo. Thirdly, there’s a need for a shore infrastructure. If it’s not owned by the operator the whole undertaking becomes very expensive. There’s been many new ventures over the years, which were unsuccessful just for this last reason.
  
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  October 27, 2023 8:56am
- Swifty
  
  “Earlier this month, Maritime Union national secretary Craig Harrison had hailed the investment in coastal shipping as one of the Labour Government’s key achievements.”
  
  Might I suggest the gentleman take hold of a dictionary and look up the meaning of the word ‘achievement’.
  
  At the same moment he may also care to look up the words ‘waste’ and ‘squandered’.
  
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  October 27, 2023 9:14am
- Jack5
  
  A small shipping company based in Christchurch succeeded for a while a decade or three ago, chartering small freighters from Germany and plying the coast and the Tasman Sea.
  
  Perhaps cabotage – coastal transport on our coast by overseas ships – proved too cheap to compete with.
  
  In the long, narrow, island chain that is New Zealand coastal shipping is a logical way of moving goods down the country from the import centre, Auckland. We have provincial ports.
  
  Ships’ masters and other ex-seafarers and current seafarers are among those who post on Kiwiblog.
  
  They will have views on why coastal transport can’t be cheaper than driving a loaded articulated truck from Auckland to Wellington; taking it across the strait in a ferry; driving it to Christchurch, and beyond; then taking it back to Auckland.
  
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  October 27, 2023 9:37am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    The little shipping co in ChCh was a set up for the doctors and dentists in Germany who bought ships as a tax dodge with the German Govt. They went to the wall in NZ owing a large amount of money.
    
    Pacifica, a Dunedin Co., was bought out by Swires and is still operating.
    
    You cannot just buy a ship and plonk it on the coast. You need the shore based management and facilities to back it up and people with the know how to operate it.
    
    Unfortunately, as USS Co and SCONZ disappeared in the 90’s no one has trained any NZ Mates and Masters and Engineers and that expertise is now just about gone.
    
    Any seafarers will have to come from those countries where you get your Certificates off the back of a cornies packet.
    
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    October 27, 2023 10:09am
    - Sparrow
      
      The demise of the New Zealand shipping industry is a sad story which was mirrored in Australia Britain and Western Europe and the USA. The reasons are numerous. In NZ the removal of the Tasman Accord ( only NZ and Australian crewed vessels could carry transtasman cargo) and the removal of cabotage on the NZ coast was a final straw. Also the cost of operating with NZ crews was prohibitive compared to cross traders. We are left today with a few mega carriers like Maersk.
      
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      October 27, 2023 11:38am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Once again, America does not have a gun problem, it has a Mental Health problem disguised as a gun problem.
Robert Card is a trained firearms instructor in the Army Reserve.
He has been committed to a mental health facility before and released.
He is still at large.
https://www.rvmnews.com/2023/10/mentally-ill-mass-shooter-in-maine-did-he-get-his-gun-from-the-national-guard-videos/?
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October 27, 2023 8:25am
- MCōs
  
  Not as simple as you make it sound
  https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/know-maine-gun-laws-lewiston-shootings-no-background-checks-red-flag-l-rcna122293
  
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  October 27, 2023 8:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    As a trained firearms instructor he would have no problem obtaining a license, but yes, a background check would have picked up the previous committal.
    Card must have told someone about the voices telling him to shoot up. There is a possible problem.
    I did not know about the gun laws in Maine. No permit to conceal carry?
    
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    October 27, 2023 8:59am
- sirknz
  
  You missed the part where we had a clear picture of him released, nearly straight away. When it is a non whitey doing such a heinous thing, we are not told anything about them other than the colour of the clothes they are wearing.
  
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  October 27, 2023 9:00am
- Inandout
  
  SO, if only drug dealers also could be licensed.
  
  https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2023-05-03/u-s-deaths-due-to-fentanyl-nearly-quadrupled-in-5-years
  
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  October 27, 2023 9:56am
Kiwiguy

Looks like Matthew Hooten is doing his best to destabilise the new coalition.
What’s his agenda? He’s making himself look like an immature sourpuss.
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October 27, 2023 8:29am
- sherp
  
  PIJF probably paid off his mortgage
  
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  October 27, 2023 9:28am
- lifesgood
  
  I seriously wonder about this guy. He will spout whatever rubbish someone is paying him to spout. One week for the right, next week for the left. How can he face himself in the mirror? He has absolutely no credibility.
  
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  October 27, 2023 10:04am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He has been working with ACT, Vsn Wealden worked for him, he is using the same tactics as some who are now absent were using on Luxon during the campaign, I note Seymour was quiet yesterday when Peters blew it, I suggest if things were not going well then Seymour would have said something.
  
  I wonder if Hooten tried the Nats are working to get Top over the line in Ilam, he has been the only one spouting this shit about vote for Peters. Hooten should be renamed Jo Hunt
  
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  October 27, 2023 10:21am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Hooten worked for Act?
    Can you prove that?
    And I don’t mean you just saying so…
    
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    October 27, 2023 3:34pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Hooten has been working for A t for some time, why are some do very bloody dim? Ever since he was shafted out of Nats by Luxon he has been anti Nats, he went to the Herald snd anyone that use to work for Nats and now the Herald are all booting Nats, it has been stated many times that after Hooten worked for Brown in Auckland, now he has turned his focus to Act
      
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      October 27, 2023 3:47pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Marine Corp Veteran Issues A FAFO Warning To Potential Jihadists In America [VIDEOS] He has upset some people and finds it amusing!
Well with an open border who knows? You know who to blame.

The crazy thing is some of the bleeding hearts want to take in Palestinian refugees. WHAT??

https://www.rvmnews.com/2023/10/marine-corp-veteran-issues-a-fafo-warning-to-potential-jihadists-in-america-videos/?
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October 27, 2023 8:32am
- kowtow
  
  When tens of thousands march in western cities , calling for the gassing of Jews , in 2023 , we need a serious discussion about immigration , “diversity” and multiculturalism .
  
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  October 27, 2023 8:38am
- sirknz
  
  Isn’t it strange how the rest of the Middle East won’t taken in any Palestinians, even on a temporary basis…
  
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  October 27, 2023 9:15am
  - Jack5
    
    Then, unlike New Zealand, the Middle Eastern countries don’t let the United Nations decide which refugees they will take.
    
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    October 27, 2023 9:45am
  - edhunter
    
    Much like I imagine you would be, the Palestinians weren’t too happy or even given a choice when 75yrs ago other Imperial forces in a peak of guilt ceded their ‘homeland’ to over 1,000,000 refugees of another religion and culture who would then rule and control you. I mean it’s one thing to be ruled and controlled for hundreds of years by an Empire that is at least of the same faith as you, it’s another thing entirely to be ruled and controlled by heathens or worse ‘The Jews’.
    I’m not for a second condoning the atrocities & terrorism that has become the hallmark of this conflict or for that matter questioning the legitimacy or the right for the state of Israel to exist. I don’t actually have any skin in the game but needless to say violence/war has been the way humanity as sorted it’s problems since before Adam was a cowboy & Moses played for the Egyptians.
    
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    October 27, 2023 1:00pm
    - kowtow
      
      Are you calling the UN an “Imperial force”.
      
      And the Brits ( Labour) didn’t cede a thing , they cut and run .
      
      Labour’s imperial legacy !
      
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      October 27, 2023 4:04pm
Bridgenag

How Can We Wake Up the Comatose Political Process?

“A new paper should alarm our newly elected politicians and galvanise them into responsible action.

A newly published paper from the Netherlands entitled “Suppressed IgG4 class switching in dupilumab- and TNF inhibitor-treated patients after repeated SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination” illustrates a nightmare scenario that is unfolding around us and threatening our future well being.”
https://globe.global/how-can-we-wake-up-the-comatose-political-process/
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October 27, 2023 8:34am
In Vino Veritas

Helen Clark: “Israel’s response was not proportionate”. I actually had some regard for her intelligence, but this is just lunacy. Here’s a thought Helen, to make Israel’s response “proportionate”, why didn’t you volunteer to go into Gaza, and choose 260 young people at a music festival to be killed by the IDF. Choose the babies that are to be mutilated. Choose the pregnant woman that had her baby cut out of her stomach. Choose the elderly that were killed and mutilated. Choose those to have arms, legs, hands and head cut off. Choose those that are to be burned.
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October 27, 2023 8:37am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The left can not get the idea Hammas are terrorists, and Palestinians are not the problem, but the major problem is they voted Hammas as their government, the likes of Clark think beheaded babies and women being raped was part of the problem, but you have blown up some buildings so it’s okay now.
  
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  October 27, 2023 10:28am
  - Drone
    
    G todays terrorists are tomorrows political leaders. They have the courage of their convictions unlike NZ politicians whose only courage …….. I give up I can’t think of an instance of an NZ politician with the courage to stand up for anything they believe in.
    
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    October 27, 2023 11:45am
- mawm
  
  I listened to an interview with a person who goes in to clean up and identify bodies, etc after episodes such as this. The descriptions of what Hamas had done to women and children were beyond belief they were so horrifying.
  
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  October 27, 2023 10:39am
- Beach Haven expat
  
  I liked this quip from Scottish comedian Leo Kearse as to why so many woke gay and trans people are so vehemently behind Hamas…
  
  Do they feel safe now because since Israel went in and flattened Gaza there’s no rooftops for Hamas to throw them off now?
  
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  October 27, 2023 11:00am
- Ra Henare
  
  IVV
  
  This is just plain silly talk.
  
  Emotional outbursts are expected after such a horrific event
  But I stupidly expect rational thinking to kick in after a couple of weeks!!
  
  But of course I am sadly mistaken.
  
  I guess disinformation propaganda is still being consumed by those who can not look at the big picture.
  
  News delivered by MSM to New Zealand is atrocious. NZ Herald, TV and Stuff are like neighborhood gossip mags all following the trope of the day.
  
  Thank goodness for online blogs with in-depth interviews and researched information.
  
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  October 27, 2023 12:24pm
  - kowtow
    
    ‘News delivered by MSM to New Zealand is atrocious. NZ Herald, TV and Stuff are like neighborhood gossip mags all following the trope of the day.’
    
    Exactly right.
    
    They are doing their best to downplay or outright not report the atrocities of the morning of 7 October against Israel.
    
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    October 27, 2023 3:46pm
Cassandra

Helen Clark has proposed an end to the Middle East problem which she has termed “a final solution”. Now this is a very experienced politician. She doesn’t mis-speak.
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October 27, 2023 8:40am
- Burtland
  
  who exactly is Clark speaking for ?
  
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  October 27, 2023 9:55am
- kowloon
  
  Comrade Clark is showing her true colours, and AGENDA.
  
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  October 27, 2023 10:09am
ClanMcleod

I know there are quite a few people who are ‘over’ all things covid and think we should ‘move on’. It is an attitude that quite frankly stuns me.

We’ve been subjected to the biggest psyop in history. Lied to, deceived, gaslit. Many thousands of innocent peoples lives have been hugely negatively impacted and in many cases destroyed.
Other than Peters, none of our politicians will even acknowledge any of this, which is complete madness.

More evidence now emerging that Pfizer deliberately removed critical safety information that shows these jabs are not only useless, but they are highly dangerous.

Pfizer Deliberately Deceived Regulators About SV40 Contamination of COVID Shots, Scientist Says Kevin McKernan, chief scientific officer and founder of Medicinal Genomics — who identified the presence of SV40 contaminants in the mRNA vaccines.

McKernan explained how Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine is contaminated with plasmid DNA, which should not be present in an mRNA vaccine.

He said this raises concerns that the plasmid DNA could lead to cancers or autoimmune issues in some vaccine recipients.

McKernan said that annotating Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine sequence with a simple online tool — which any trained person can do — reveals the presence of DNA from simian virus 40 (SV40).

But in the data it gave to regulators, Pfizer deleted the annotation of the SV40 DNA and did not disclose its presence. That deletion, McKernan said, shows “intent to deceive.”

https://vigilantnews.com/post/pfizer-deliberately-deceived-regulators-about-sv40-contamination-of-covid-shots-scientist-says

Turbo cancers are through the roof, excess all cause mortality is consistently above prior five year norms. ‘sudden death’ is commonplace. But in NZ, nothing to see here, get your booster. It’s clown world.

I’ll ‘move on’ as soon as this complete disaster is acknowledged, the perpetrators and active enablers are held to account, and those most negatively affected are apologised to and some decent attempt at redress is made.

Until then I’ll keep reminding people about the nightmare that has been inflicted on us all.
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October 27, 2023 8:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yep, all the way down to someone rabbiting on about “safe and effective”
  I think that person may have been on Pfizer’s payroll. Fact checkers say “false.” How ’bout that?
  
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  October 27, 2023 9:04am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Steve, guaranteed that the term “safe and effective” will join others like “conspiracy theorist” and “the science” in being consigned to the language dustbin for a very long time.
    All of them have been utterly discredited.
    
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    October 27, 2023 9:11am
  - mawm
    
    Steve – “Pfizer’s payroll”. Surely you mean the US DoD and CIA’s payroll. Pfizer was just an agent used by them to market the product.
    
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    October 27, 2023 10:47am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      mawm – yup. This whole nightmare was controlled by the DoD. It was a military operation. Many people don’t know that.
      
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      October 27, 2023 12:12pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I did not know that. Defence and CIA? Makes sense I guess. Might have a look around using Guckduckgo. Google will be quite useless.
      
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      October 27, 2023 12:31pm
      - mawm
        
        Startpage is better than DDG.
        
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        October 27, 2023 2:42pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Duckduckgo* Shit, what a typo I missed LOL!
        
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        October 27, 2023 3:16pm
- Matt Long
  
  Apparently this has happened; “NZ Medical Council has quietly revoked that vaccination for covid 19 is recommended/pushed.
  Where does that leave doctors who are under investigation for not recommending”
  https://x.com/Pauline43675941/status/1717257631302406297?s=20
  
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  October 27, 2023 9:10am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The ‘jersey changing’ is gathering pace as the evidence of how big a disaster the response to covid was by all involved.
    
    Who remembers Michael Baker lying on live radio claiming he had never said masks don’t work when there are multiple sources of evidence proving he did, on numerous occasions?
    
    Mainstream media? Silence.
    
    There are clearly some very nervous people in positions of power with associated big incomes who will be doing everything they can to help this story vanish.
    
    It will never happen.
    
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    October 27, 2023 9:19am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The hard lefts response on socials is (you’re still alive aren’t ya) grrrrrrr
      
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      October 27, 2023 10:30am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Baker is yet another idiot who can’t grasp that we have this ‘Internet’ thingy that tells all.
      
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      October 27, 2023 12:33pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Steve Otto – here’s the slam dunk, unequivocal evidence from his own mouth. Keep a copy for future reference.
        
        NEWSTALKZB ASKS MICHAEL BAKER IF HE EVER SAID THAT MASKS DON’T WORK . . . .
        
        https://www.bitchute.com/video/Ymw1YXbi1YVZ/
        
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        October 27, 2023 1:10pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Clan,
        Out of his own mouth yes. But when he said no, the bribe check must have bounced!
        
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        October 27, 2023 3:25pm
  - kevn
    
    Matt… Slow learners. Leaving a trail of negative medical issues on the way.
    
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    October 27, 2023 10:39am
  - mawm
    
    Matt – I don’t think that the NZMC makes the recommendations. That is probably in the purview of the Ministry of Health. The NZMC are responsible for investigating and disciplining doctors for non-conformative practice, bad behaviour, etc.
    
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    October 27, 2023 10:54am
- NothingLeft
  
  We’ve been subjected to the biggest psyop in history. Lied to, deceived, gaslit. Many thousands of innocent peoples lives have been hugely negatively impacted and in many cases destroyed.
  
  No, that’d be organized religion, and it would be many 10’s of billions not thousands.
  
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  October 27, 2023 9:17am
  - Matt Long
    
    “Many 10s of billions”, should that be hundreds of billions?
    Are we counting people on other planets, or other dimensions?
    
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    October 27, 2023 9:35am
    - NothingLeft
      
      There have been by most estimates around 120 billion modern humans that have walked the earth during the last 200k years. Only ~6% are alive at the moment.
      
      And almost all of them have believed in one of the tens of thousands of (mostly animistic hunter-gatherer) religions that we have invented, which were super-useful for convincing otherwise intelligent men to risk their lives in battles with competing tribes for always limited resources.
      
      Sadly until last century every society has had to find some mechanism to cull 60-80% of children born before they could breed as natural fertility is far far higher than replacement rate. Brutal violence, starvation and nasty diseases have been most common means.
      
      I don’t understand how people of faith can square all this cruel and well evidenced reality with what their various ‘one true’ religions tell them (none have ever had more than a small fraction of all humans as believers). If it is the result of a deity’s design then its horrible/evil with all the unavoidable suffering created by excess fertility.
      
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      October 27, 2023 10:33am
      - mawm
        
        So is “culling” 60-80% of babies by abortion just a continuation of a horrible/evil of diety’s design or is it a horrible/evil of human design?
        
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        October 27, 2023 10:59am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I know where you’re coming from, but it’s not a relavent analogy.
    
    Religion is faith based. Covid is (or should have been) science based. Sadly real science had its reputation hammered by those who distorted facts and changed long trusted definitions of terms that had been around for decades.
    
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    October 27, 2023 9:40am
- greybeard
  
  There is an advertisement running on NewstalkZB at present, about some supposed new strain of CV-19. Very emotive and dramatic.
  
  It refers to a website “knowmyrisk.co.nz”, a website which is authorised by , wait for it: Pfizer NZ !
  
  I think it is nothing more than fearmongering, a bit like those “HazMat” ads for asbestos removal which saturate the radio these days, trying to scare the bejesus out of anyone doing a bit of DIY.
  
  Fearmongering & advertising combined.
  
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  October 27, 2023 9:32am
- Inandout
  
  Clan, I equate going along with covid rules with buying a lemon of a car. You just quietly accept your mistake and move on. No point in crying over spilt milk, presuming there has been no jab related physical damage.
  
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  October 27, 2023 10:01am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    You can’t be serious??? Comparing what has happened over the last 4 years to buying a crap car???
    
    The physical, societal, financial and loss of trust caused by the inane actions during covid are epochal in magnitude.
    I do worry about this passive ‘she’ll be right’ attitude by most NZers. I get it on trivial issues, but not on this nightmare.
    
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    October 27, 2023 10:40am
  - Ghost
    
    Accept your mistake and move on? Sure forget it ever happened until it happens again and your locked down because you just accepted the mistake and moved on. Should we also accept and move on from what the WHO is currently working through with the Pandemic prevention, preparedness and response accord?
    
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    October 27, 2023 10:50am
  - cmm
    
    “No point in crying over spilt milk”
    
    Except that the milk is still being spilled and the general process will be used again.
    
    You are correct that what has been done cannot be undone, but can we please learn from what happened and try to prevent it from being repeated.
    
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    October 27, 2023 10:56am
- Opie
  
  Don’t be stunned. Most people just don’t have the brain power to understand what has happened and are happy to go about their daily lives. Sleep, work and eat their way till death, whenever that may be.
  
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  October 27, 2023 11:03am
- Observer of Life
  
  Pan: My other half heard an advertisement on the radio this week. Basically encouraging young people to go get a booster “for their health sake”. Apparently not government funded, but Pfizer itself.
  
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  October 27, 2023 11:04am
- Bridgenag
  
  yes still lots of deniers out there.
  
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  October 27, 2023 2:22pm
igm

Yet another of Ardern’s preferred people making the headlines . . .
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nat…
For the wrong reason.
He should be deported.
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October 27, 2023 8:50am
- kevn
  
  igm… Link taken down. Who was the bod?
  
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  October 27, 2023 9:31am
  - sirknz
    
    Might be this one: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300996158/ola-driver-convicted-for-sexual-offending-now-banned-from-working-in-security
    
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    October 27, 2023 9:59am
    - igm
      
      That is the one.
      
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      October 27, 2023 12:16pm
  - Tempist
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300996158/ola-driver-convicted-for-sexual-offending-now-banned-from-working-in-security
    
    Think this might be the story being linked to
    
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    October 27, 2023 10:00am
  - igm
    
    Try this:
    https://disq.us/url?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.stuff.co.nz%2Fnational%2Fcrime%2F300996158%2Fola-driver-convicted-for-sexual-offending-now-banned-from-working-in-security%3AUpkoEZUoADeGSBMp6xEoySe04Rg&cuid=5806888
    
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    October 27, 2023 12:40pm
I remember when

The details in Jacinda’s explanation of what her office reeived from Tarrant are hardly a ringing endorsement of openness.
It is almost made out that only his manifest was provided.
Secondly, it is suggested that no information about where the attack would take place was revealed.
This is technically correct, but the transcript of her office member’s 111 call showed that a broad indication was given.
Also there seemed to be emphasis on the fact that they were one of thirty who received the manifest.
So it wasn’t so much to advise us, as an attempt to put as much distance as possible between her (office) and the shootings.
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October 27, 2023 8:51am
- sherp
  
  Winnie is just commenting about info that is now public due to the coronial inquiry… talking about the existence or soure of such into has been previously illegal but it’s now known that the manifesto did contain the intended targets and this wasn’t shared properly with police.
  
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  October 27, 2023 9:34am
- greybeard
  
  So who were the other 29 recipients of the manifest, and why did they not raise the alarm?
  
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  October 27, 2023 9:35am
  - Matt Long
    
    And did they also lie about the content of the email they received?
    
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    October 27, 2023 9:36am
  - MCōs
    
    One of the was Simon Bridges, Leader of the Opposition at the time.
    
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    October 27, 2023 10:21am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I remember when – according to the Whoreald the manifesto detailed the location of the attacks on page 8.
  
  Thomas Coughlan ties himself in knots trying to call Peters a liar while his own words show him to be talking garbage.
  
  Peters tweeted.
  
  “The gaslighting media can’t defend the facts out today that vital information of the locations of the terrorist attacks were known by the Prime Minister’s Office before it happened – yet the PM the next day said the police couldn’t act because they didn’t have that detail. The mosques weren’t even warned.
  
  “This was my point about critical information not being passed on,” Peters posted.
  
  This is also incorrect. The Royal Commission into the attacks said the email did not specify targets, however page eight of the 74-page manifesto that was attached to the email did identify masjid in Christchurch, Linwood (a suburb of Christchurch) and Ashburton as targets
  
  Coughlan is the liar in this case, Peters is accurate in what he said.
  I do understand that the time frame made it practically impossible to have done anything to prevent the attack, but Coughlan embarrasses himself in that paragraph by saying there was no knowledge of the locations, then a sentence later telling readers what page of the manifesto the information was on.
  
  Shoddy reporting or deliberate discombobulation?
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/christopher-luxon-and-david-seymour-not-commenting-on-winston-peters-christchurch-terror-attack-tweets/CHNB44TADJDPDG3P3RPC6BACZI/
  
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  October 27, 2023 10:01am
  - Beach Haven expat
    
    The recording mentions a mosque in Linwood. Being overseas I can’t be certain but looks like there is two. Feels specific enough for me.
    
    Clan is right about whether it would have made any difference but the inquest has proven Ardern lied.
    
    That’s the story that 10 years ago I and my colleagues would report – a leader lying to the nation at a time if crisis. It’s a scandal.
    
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    October 27, 2023 11:07am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Possibly significant enough that a cautious phone call could maybe have been made to them? I know hindsight is a wonderful thing and it’s unlikely a call would have made much difference?
      
      Who knows.
      
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      October 27, 2023 12:15pm
  - kowtow
    
    On the tv news’ which were very quick to try to discredit Peters thay have played video of Ardern saying quite clearly that no specific places were given.
    
    That has now clearly been shown to be false.
    
    According to today’s paper there was nine minutes to warn Linwood .
    
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    October 27, 2023 12:56pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      kowtow – do you have a link to that please?
      
      Cheers.
      
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      October 27, 2023 1:34pm
      - kowtow
        
        ‘At a press conference on March 16, one day after the attacks took place, Ardern explained her office was sent the terrorist’s manifesto minutes before the first shots were fired.
        
        “I was one of more than 30 recipients of a manifesto that was mailed out nine minutes before the attack took place,” she said.
        
        “It did not include a location, it did not include specific details. I’m advised that within two minutes of its receipt in at least my office, it was conveyed directly to Parliamentary security.” ‘
        
        https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/10/26/peters-post-on-what-ardern-knew-before-mosque-attacks-clearly-inaccurate/
        
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        October 27, 2023 3:41pm
kevn

Clan… I’m sure the majority of KB bods thank you (and kk) for all the links and data. I do.
You won’t find anything anywhere in NZ media.
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October 27, 2023 9:00am
- Notsofast
  
  Yes, and if Ardern and Kiri Allan had their way, it would all be hate speech. These are dark times for the human race, a huge amount of wisdom is self censored before seeing daylight.
  
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  October 27, 2023 11:04am
Maggie Pie

SPEAK UP FOR WOMEN

‘Trans Activist Eliana Rubishtyn To Stand Trial’

Meanwhile, Albert Park victim of mob violence, Tania Stuart, speaks out….

“Women’s rights were breached. The mob was co-ordinated by SHANEEL LAL
who shortly afterwards, while I was bruised and scarred from that violence, received a
Young-New-Zealander-of-the-Year-Award”

https://twitter.com/SimonRAnderson1/status/1717435892946837934
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October 27, 2023 9:03am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  That Women’s Rights Party that contested the recent election had some pretty staunch, hardcore feminists as candidates.
  
  They certainly didn’t seem in favour of the ideological philosophies of characters such as Shaneel Lal and Eliana Rubishtyn. I doubt they would have gone into coalition talks with Marama either…
  
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  October 27, 2023 9:16am
  - Notsofast
    
    They are gathering at Pukekohe market 9am Saturday. Jill Ovens is contesting the Port Waikato bye election against the farmer who accidentally voted for gay sterilization alongside 112 other witless parliamentarians.
    I kid you not, that is what was voted for.
    
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    October 27, 2023 10:16am
  - Notsofast
    
    More detail, market at Roulston Street, Pukekohe. From the party:
    
    We will also be highlighting Andrew Bayly’s voting record – he voted for self sex-ID, and to put “gender” in the Conversion Practices Bill. It is important to put some pressure on Andrew Bayly during the by-election with 52 Bills before Parliament currently in limbo. These include Elizabeth Kerekere’s Bill to add “gender identity and expression” to the Human Rights Act, and Tamati Coffey’s Bill to make a baby’s intending parents in the case of surrogacy the legal parents at the moment of birth. Currently, the surrogate mother is the baby’s legal parent and the intending parents must wait until after the birth before legally beginning the process of adopting the child.
    
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    October 27, 2023 10:52am
  - Notsofast
    
    Some humans Shaneel Lal would have had sterilized:
    
    Elton John
    Stephen Fry
    Oscar Wilde
    
    It is that serious, I truly do not think anyone understands. Those that do include Helen Joyce and Kathleen Stock, check their work.
    
    And check again Lal’s assertion that it is now a crime for parents to prevent the sterilizing drugs to be administered to their children.
    
    The women’s rights party sees a problem here, but almost no sitting mps are concerned. Simon Bridges was on the Select Committee, so was one of 8 to vote against the bill. Louisa Wall was the head of this committee, and Ginny Anderson was there too. Labour liberals.
    
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    October 27, 2023 11:59am
- Bernard Black
  
  Eliana Rubishtyn
  Not HIS real name HIS choosen name.
  And I think Rubbish Tin is rather apt for this particular individual so good choice Mr Rubbish Tin.
  
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  October 27, 2023 5:12pm
Matt Long

Otago Regional Council would like the world to know they’re morons, zero tolerance for fossil fuels Plus no investment in companies that generate nuclear power.
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/dcc/orc-adopts-%E2%80%98zero-tolerance%E2%80%99-policy-fossil-fuels
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October 27, 2023 9:07am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Why do they always look like Alan?
  
  Asking for a friend.
  
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  October 27, 2023 9:12am
  - greybeard
    
    https://www.greens.org.nz/alan_somerville
    
    This might explain it.
    
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    October 27, 2023 9:37am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      I’m pretty sure he’d refuse to speak with Mike Hosking on the wireless too…
      
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      October 27, 2023 9:45am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      The icing on the fruitcake. Says it all 😀
      
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      October 27, 2023 9:51am
    - Jethrod
      
      Just got a mouthful of vomit when I read of one of the people there has the same surname as me.
      
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      October 27, 2023 11:31am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Do you have an issue with socks & sandals wearing middle-aged teachers who accompany their students on climate strike marches…?
    
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    October 27, 2023 9:38am
    - sirknz
      
      I have a problem with anyone wearing socks and sandals anywhere…
      
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      October 27, 2023 10:17am
      - Bridgenag
        
        lol
        
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        October 27, 2023 2:28pm
  - sirknz
    
    Physiognomy. He was probably picked on in his younger days so now he wants to stick it to his childhood bullies.
    
    If he was in his 20s today, he would probably be doing CrossFit and a vegan, unable to decide which one to tell you about first.
    
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    October 27, 2023 10:16am
- kowtow
  
  Raving lunatic hypocrites.
  
  They’re building themselves a new hq.
  
  At great cost to their very long suffering and squeezed rate payers. Not to mention powered by …….evil fossil fuels.
  
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  October 27, 2023 9:17am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    And unless they are building it out of adobe bricks, the materials involved in construction are extremely toxic and planet destroying……
    
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    October 27, 2023 10:17am
- Taieri
  
  That’s what happens when former early childhood teachers enter their own second childhood.
  
  https://www.orc.govt.nz/our-council-our-region/our-council/your-councillors/cr-alan-somerville
  
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  October 27, 2023 9:18am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Clowns. Here is an idea. The evil oil companies can stop supplying petroleum products to Otago.
  
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  October 27, 2023 9:48am
  - kowtow
    
    And yet in the real world oil companies are doing huge deals cos they know their markets .
    
    “Chevron said Monday it will buy Hess Corp. for $53 billion, marking the second major oil deal this month as major producers seize the initiative while oil prices surge. The Chevron-Hess deal comes less than two weeks after Exxon Mobil said that it would acquire Pioneer Natural Resources for about $60 billion.”
    
    Here’s a thort ; would the UN who’re so into divesting fossil fuels tell Gaza they can do without same .
    
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    October 27, 2023 9:53am
- Burtland
  
  “The ORC has confirmed it will stop investing in companies that profit from fossil fuels”
  
  if theyre true believers they should stop USING fossil fuels
  
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  October 27, 2023 10:17am
  - kowtow
    
    Yep , that’s why they’re hypocrites.
    
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    October 27, 2023 10:44am
  - Dougal10
    
    The ORC shouldn’t have any money to invest . If they taxed the people too much in a given year , give it back.
    
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    October 27, 2023 6:57pm
Matt Long

Well, well, Tau Henare who posts anti semitic content on X has blocked me.
In the news because he plans to vote down anything proposed by democratically elected Auckland Councillors, who voted against racist wards.
Henare is part of the Auckland Statutory Maori Board that troughs at the Auckland Council.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/independent-maori-stat-board-to-mayor-brown-leave-our-putea-alone-and-were-not-moving/BTVIVZJJYBDGDH5FYE5E7ZBHHI/
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October 27, 2023 9:19am
- Matt Long
  
  Special Racist representation, what could go wrong?
  
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  October 27, 2023 9:20am
- Cassandra
  
  Another statute would see the end of this Maori board, which is a racist institution composed of racists. And why is a northern person on an Auckland board anyway? PM Luxon will tell us that it would be divisive to get rid of this board and similar things. My response is that racism is far more divisive. Man up, Chris. Get rid of it.
  
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  October 27, 2023 9:38am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    The Board was put in at the insistence of Rodney Hide.
    
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    October 27, 2023 10:01am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Mapp,
      And we are all from Adam and Eve.
      How about making a direct accusation with some corroberating evidence .
      Weak insinuation is a sign of a certain type.
      
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      October 27, 2023 11:45am
- Philview
  
  I was actually thinking I dreamt that major news story on TVNZ News last night that ‘racist’ Auckland Councillors voted down Maori wards. If it a was major news elsewhere I missed it.
  
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  October 27, 2023 11:13am
sirknz

Why does every sex therapist make it sound like sharing your other half is a normal thing?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/wellbeing/300996671/a-couple-get-a-lapdance-together-heres-what-happened

How often have any of you had to specify that any of your relationships have been monogamous?
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October 27, 2023 9:21am
- rouppe
  
  The little gem in there was that the woman was bi.
  
  Therefore representative of 0.001% of couples.
  
  I stopped reading when I saw that
  
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  October 27, 2023 7:58pm
Vinicius

TVNZ results show sharp decline in profit, ad revenue.

The net profit is down from $7.92 to $1.72. Revenue was down year-on-year from $341.69m to $327.63m.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/tvnz-results-show-dharp-decline-in-profit-ad-revenue/VPAT2NKJSFBDXF5RWZRHJIMVNY/

I really hope we aren’t going to see the new government wasting taxpayers propping up these old MSM TV outfits like this mob and Newshub.
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October 27, 2023 9:34am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I don’t see how New Zealand would be adversely affected if TVNZ were just switched off. I only watch it if I am involuntarily exposed somewhere other than my home.
  
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  October 27, 2023 10:02am
  - sirknz
    
    It seems to be on TV One perpetually whenever I visit my parents.
    
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    October 27, 2023 10:20am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Your parents obviously haven’t changed with the times. Like many old people they probably think there’s still only one channel.
      I’m 75 and haven’t watchet TV1 news for over 30 years.
      
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      October 27, 2023 12:41pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    Kiwis are too wedded to their failing institutions. They don’t like to rock the boat. They’d rather have it sink under them.
    
    TVNZ’s real liability is its ideological bias, which can’t be repaired. Sell it. The new owner could not be any worse.
    
    But should it get itself into financial trouble you can bet the Nats and NZF will bail it out.
    
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    October 27, 2023 10:26am
  - Vinicius
    
    I’m the same as you BY, I don’t turn on the idiot box to watch TVNZ. News coverage is below par and programming seems mostly to be UK games shows, Coro St, Emmerdale etc.
    
    Don’t know why the State has to own such a media outlet. Ditto RNZ.
    
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    October 27, 2023 10:29am
  - Jethrod
    
    Imagine the uproar from Coro watchers…..
    
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    October 27, 2023 11:34am
  - imalwaysright
    
    B.Y
    “I only watch it if I am involuntarily exposed”
    
    Maybe an involuntary slip of the Freudian kind.
    But you are correct, some things can’t be unseen.
    
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    October 27, 2023 11:53am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Phew! $1.72 million, times are really tough, not enough profit for even ONE cup of coffee. Isn’t that a rounding error?
  
  [Mod – fixed]
  
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  October 27, 2023 10:23am
- artemisia
  
  Am finding ZB PLUS worthwhile. Sensible well curated opinion, news and analysis. And so far looking like good coverage of issues for those of us with too little time …
  
  Anyone else subscribing?
  
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  October 27, 2023 12:39pm
Chuck Bird

Robertson should visit Gaza on his way home.

‘Gays for Palestine’: Sky News host slams ‘dimwitted’ protesters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38LU9kxkruE
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October 27, 2023 9:37am
- Inandout
  
  CB, this just shows how deeply into their brains the anti Israel tutors have buried the message. If Jewish people are afraid of the pro Palestine demos then the gays should be extra afraid. Many gay people I know are at the high end of the intelligence scale and would not be seen dead at any of these ridiculous gay demos.
  
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  October 27, 2023 10:27am
Benedict Yu

I don’t watch much TV. However I can’t recommend this too highly.

https://youtu.be/nsuk8ThvnpM?si=h_cJFLoqMZYfbizs

“A Small Light”. An 8 part series based on Anne Frank, who most have heard of as the diarist who hid with her family in an attic in Amsterdam for 2 years hiding from the Nazis. However in this TV series, Anne Frank is a minor character. The central characters are Miep Gies and her husband, who hid the Frank family and a couple of other Jews in the attic.

It is really a brilliant show. It could not be more timely. Israel will never allow its people to be exterminated again.

Incidentally Miep Gies lived to be 100. Also Otto Frank, the father of Anne Frank, was the only family member to survive. He was freed as the Soviets liberated Auschwitz-Birkenau in January 1945. His daughters, Anne and Margot, both died of typhus. His wife also died in Auschwitz-Birkenau. Otto died in 1980 at the age of 91.
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October 27, 2023 9:41am
Yvette

Winston Peters tweet just before hosting dinner with Luxons

The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line
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October 27, 2023 9:50am
- mawm
  
  A translation from the Rubáiyát of Omar Khayyám, a poem which refers to Belshazzar’s feast as related in the Book of Daniel.
  
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  October 27, 2023 11:17am
  - Sacha
    
    My father, who was the youngest of 13 children born of Irish immigrants, knew all of the Rubaiyat off by heart. He left school at 13, and worked on the farm all his life. He would recite it as he went around the farm. I remember snippets –
    A book of verse, a jug of wine, and thou beside me in the wilderness – ah wilderness is paradise enow.
    (Or words to that effect.)
    
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    October 27, 2023 3:02pm
peterwn

Matthew Hooton believes Winston Peters has now gone too far for any decent person to want him serving in government. He says if Peters’ caucus won’t remove their leader, then Christopher Luxon has a duty to make clear that there is no place for NZ First in his Government. (paywalled Herald article – it is a pity that the Herald dis not leave it open as a public service).
Labour MP Tangi Utikere used Peters’ post to justify Labour leader Chris Hipkins’ decision to rule out a coalition with New Zealand First.
“This is a prime example as to the type of behaviour that Chris Hipkins ruled out [in] working [with] New Zealand First.”

Chris Luxon no doubt finds it utterly distasteful having to interact with Winston to try and form a government and would find it even more distasteful after Winston’s latest outburst.
Chris Hipkins would find it just as distasteful if he had to negotiate, and it seems there is no point in trying to negotiate if the Maori Party does not want anything to do with Winston which seems to be the situation.
So Chris Luxon if faced with drinking from the poisoned chalice. A saving grace is Winston has far less bargaining power this time round than in 2017.
Matthew Hooton is pretty well saying that Chris Luxon should form a minority government (assuming the final result plus the byelection does not give him a slender majority) and this is an option that Chris is no doubt seriously considering. There would then be a game of ‘chicken’ each time a confidence vote could arise with Chris Luxon having to decide whether to hit the ‘chicken switch’ (as the ‘abort’ button is called on space missions) and force an election. This could see Winston and NZF knocked clean out of Parliament, a risk that Winston would not want to take. Even if Chris Luxon decides to have Winston inside the tent (pee-ing out) similar considerations would apply. Winston no doubt wants to be Deputy PM which in my opinion is an unacceptable stance at any time and is even more unacceptable following Winston’s latest outburst.
Ii is going to be like a game of chess.
Someone suggested to me yesterday that as Chris has only been in the political (as distinct from the corporate) game for a couple of years, he is at a negotiating disadvantage compared with Winston. However Chris would have got up to speed in the last few years building on his foundation of corporate skills and cunning.
Chris has another card up his sleeve that he could play at any time – try and gain the support of individual MP’s from other parties as Jenny Shipley did in 1998. Chris may not to it immediatly but when the time is right. Possibilities are Andy Foster and James Shaw, there could be other possibilities. Winston’s ‘Waka Hopper’ Act could be an impediment but then Simon Bridges considered that any MP subject to the Act could successfully appeal.
Indeed Chris could try and bring all the NZF MP’s except Winston on board by saying he would form a coalition with NZF if Winston resigns as leader (and offer him a knighthood to help him out of the door) which is pretty well what Matthew Hooton is implying.
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October 27, 2023 10:08am
- Notsofast
  
  Matthew Hooton is our new stunning and brave public intellectual. World famous in New Zealand, actually not even that.
  
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  October 27, 2023 10:24am
- Yvette
  
  Reportedly Winston tweeted on X just before hosting Mr and Mrs Luxon for dinner – that was Winston’s tweet that ”Jacinda Ardern should be called to the hearing and asked to explain this appalling lack of transparency to the New Zealand public – let alone to the Deputy Prime Minister and government coalition partner.”
  
  So I wonder if Winston disclosed to Luxons, what he had just done, with total honesty and transparency? – a sort of heads up, no surprises thang?
  
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  October 27, 2023 10:56am
  - peterwn
    
    Poor Mrs Luxon having to be dragged into this sort of thing.
    
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    October 27, 2023 11:47am
- H. Upmann
  
  The one thing Hipkins got right and Luxon is clearly very wrong on; ruling out Peters.
  NZ1 polling went up 2% within 48 hours of Luxon saying he would make the phone call. Idiot.
  Voters switched from ACT and National.
  
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  October 27, 2023 11:54am
  - peterwn
    
    It is easy to say this now. The situation is a lot more complicated than what it is made out to by. Winston could well have got over 5% even if Chris Luxon slammed the door on Winston. If at this stage Chris Hipkins thinks he can form a coalition I suspect he would would have made a mealy mouthed excuse and not kept his word. Anyway this is not in issue because of the attitudes of Winston and the Maori Party.
    Chris Luxon would not have wanted to make a promise of not going into coalition with Winston and then going back on his word. National (with ACT) would then have to form a minority government and dare Winston to try and bring the Government down at each turn. This leads to unstable government.
    Yes, it would be very nice if National/ACT ends up with 61 seats. Otherwise a coalition with Winston as a weak partner would be preferable to National/ACT having to put up with being a minority government. Winston would find this preferable to being isolated on the cross benches.
    
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    October 27, 2023 2:25pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Remember Hooten thought Todd Muller leading National party was a good idea!
  
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  October 27, 2023 12:10pm
  - MCōs
    
    So did a lot of other people including a majority of the national caucus
    
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    October 27, 2023 1:05pm
    - Matt Long
      
      That National caucas that handed Labour a record majority.
      
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      October 27, 2023 3:32pm
  - peterwn
    
    Neither Todd or anyone else thought at the time he could crack up under the immense pressure and strain of the situation. Judith Collins took his place but did not face the high expectations that Todd did. Then Todd stayed on to support his fellow MP’s for the next three years whereas someone else in his position could have bailed out and taking up higher paid employment or consultancy.
    
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    October 27, 2023 2:04pm
    - Jack5
      
      Simon Bridges-Paula Bennett were a good leadership team for National, and the blowhard Hooten provided PR for the mutiny that ousted them and for the subsequent farce of the Muller coup.
      
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      October 27, 2023 4:47pm
      - peterwn
        
        Another thing that is easy to say now. Jacinda was riding on the crest of the wave in 2020 following from the massacre and Covid. Simon was not making headway in party or preferred PM polls because Jacinda , pumped up by the media was considered a heroine.
        It is possible too that some in National caucus were doubting that Chris Luxon could pull off the 2023 election. It was only when the wheels fell off Jacinda’s leadership and she resigned that Chris Luxon’s fortunes started to improve. Simon Bridges did not have that luck.
        
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        October 27, 2023 5:57pm
- rouppe
  
  Really? Gone too far?
  
  Yeah, what Winston said is much worse than “cis white men are the cause of all violence”. Or “yip yip were creating a two class society”
  
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  October 27, 2023 7:53pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Part 2. This seems to be a repeat from yesterday with the “HERE” hyperlinks working.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/maori-default-to-their-biggest-tricks-to-stop-the-act-party-referendum-threats-bullying-and-intimidation-2/
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October 27, 2023 10:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  From one of the links:
  John Key caves on the Maori Seats 4.0 min in.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX7-_ZYQYfo
  
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  October 27, 2023 10:21am
DeepBlue

RIP little Ruthless-Empire Souljah-Reign Rhind Shepherd Wall.
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October 27, 2023 10:38am
- David Garrett
  
  Cam Slater used to deride “Silly first name syndrome” which in turn seemed to be causally related to little Maori kids – isn’t it almost always little Maori kids? – being beaten to death by Mum’s latest drop kick boyfriend. This poor little boy is the latest in a very long sad list.
  
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  October 27, 2023 11:28am
  - NothingLeft
    
    The Maori wonderfulness rammed down our throats by our left wing superiors (in their own minds at least) clearly isn’t. Single mums, and mums new partners as well as reliance upon annoyed extended families for a large fraction of child rearing clearly result in worse educational and social outcomes for kids as well as massively higher rates of child abuse and murder.
    
    So Maori culture is clearly worse than all the others that don’t suffer from these problems to even a fraction of the same extent. Time to stop ‘celebrating’ it and pushing it, because it’s a demonstrable failure as Oranga Tamariki’s caseload attests to. Nuclear families with two involved parents and low cultural emphasis on whanau work far better.
    
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    October 27, 2023 12:03pm
    - David Garrett
      
      Nothing: Indeed…and although the liberals try and pretend otherwise, heterosexual two parent families – preferably where Mum and Dad are married to each other – gives by far the best outcomes for the most part.
      
      The failure of my marriage to my children’s mother is my biggest failing by far.
      
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      October 27, 2023 1:01pm
      - MCōs
        
        For some people their biggest failing is not splitting up . . . .
        
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        October 27, 2023 1:09pm
  - lifesgood
    
    A name like that is child abuse to start with. This poor wee fellow never had a chance. Surely there are rules against giving children dreadful names. There was a kid called Talulah Does The Hula in Hawaii. She sued her parents for naming her that and, if I’m not mistaken, she won.
    
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    October 27, 2023 12:03pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      When my partner was a border at big Kings there was a day-boy named Wayne Kerr.
      
      Never amounted to much apparently.
      
      Just saying.
      
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      October 27, 2023 12:44pm
      - Sparrow
        
        When I was school back in the Stone Age one teacher loved to call one poor sod not just by his surname but would add his initial. R.Sole. Presumably the teacher would be sacked today. We loved it.
        
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        October 27, 2023 1:18pm
      - Sponge
        
        My ex wife is a teacher and had a student called Genna Taylor.
        
        Sparrow, I have a client called Wayne Kerr – poor bugger.
        
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        October 27, 2023 1:23pm
      - greybeard
        
        Sponge, I once worked with a Joe Kerr.
        
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        October 27, 2023 2:36pm
      - sirknz
        
        I had a friend who used to crank call Mr Ivan Itchianus back in the day.
        
        I also recall the day I got my cast off when I broke my arm as kid, the outpatient nurses were looking for a poor lass by the name of Ima. Ima Dick.
        
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        October 27, 2023 4:40pm
    - Rumblestrip
      
      It’s now being reported that Internal Affairs actually did reject the ridiculous name — and the child died officially nameless.
      
      The media must tie themselves up in knots reporting on these cases, trying to self-censor any “culturally inappopriate” criticism of the special people.
      
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      October 27, 2023 5:08pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Cam Slater called the kids SOCKs.
    No explanation needed.
    
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    October 27, 2023 12:37pm
    - rouppe
      
      Only the mothers with serial sperm donors
      
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      October 27, 2023 7:42pm
Dudley Quaffquaff

Though I’m now the proud holder of a black passport, I’m English born and bred and I still have friends and most of my family in England.

There are deeply ingrained, and in many ways admirable, English traditions of sympathy for the underdog and for not kicking a man when he’s down.

Does this make the glee with which I am following England’s misery at the cricket world cup, more or less reprehensible?
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October 27, 2023 10:45am
- peterwn
  
  And the black passport is quite adequate for most purposes. Since Brexit, a British passport, while being very expensive is as useless as tits on a bull.
  
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  October 27, 2023 11:42am
  - slijmbal
    
    Petwern being wrong on facts – who would have thought?
    
    Proud to be a kiwi but keep my UK passport as it does have some advantages (and the odd disadvantage). My UK passport saved me several hundred $ on visas for trips to SA in the past for instance.
    
    Just renewing UK passport – costs about same as NZ one including courier costs and ranks the same as NZ passport. Can all be done on line. No JP visit etc.
    
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    October 27, 2023 4:12pm
    - fernglas
      
      It is not widely known that the Kiwi passport is miles better than a UK one in Europe. Because NZ entered into bilateral visa waiver agreements with many European countries, NZ passport holders not only get the ability to stay visa-free for 90 days in the Schengen area, but also to have a further 3 months in most Schengen countries. Some countries interpret that as meaning that you then have to leave Schengen for a day and you can return and start the clock again, so you can effectively stay visa-free in Europe almost perpetually. This will all be clarified once Europe finally sorts out its ETIAS system, but unfortunately for the Brits, all their visa-waiver agreements were canned when they joined the EU, so they are stuck with the 90/180 days rule.
      
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      October 27, 2023 5:34pm
      - slijmbal
        
        @fernglas – strange – when I checked the rules for NZ and UK passports they were precisely the same 90/180 days and no exceptions on exit/entry or an additional 3 months – as I have relatives in NL I checked with the Dutch and no difference on whether I use my NZ or UK passport.
        
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        October 27, 2023 11:06pm
    - peterwn
      
      I was helping a friend renew a UK passport on line. She had a photo jpg taken at a pharmacist. The web site rejected it. She tried again also rejected. I suggested she went to a professional photographer and tell him specifically for a UK passport – also rejected. It was an overcast day. I hung up a sheet in front of the garage door and tied a pole to a chair and fastened my phone to the pole. I took another picture – almost there. Then took another one – success! What was galling I had to scan every page of her NZ passport as UK wants a complete copy of any multiple nationality passports.
      
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      October 27, 2023 6:08pm
      - slijmbal
        
        @peterwn – Just went to a pharmacist to get my UK passport photo- they have a system whereby the photo gets loaded up on to the Uk system – it then evaluates the photo and gives a pass/fail rating immediately – I’ve had more issues with NZ photo passports from so called professional photographers and multiple attempts. I’ve known several other people have multiple attempts to get their NZ passport renewed because of what appears to be inconsistently applied standards.
        
        I don’t get why the want a scan of my NZ passport I agree what’s it do with the UK immigration.
        
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        October 27, 2023 11:13pm
thirteenstars

Libs of TikTok:

“A woman in England was interrogated before being issued a penalty for praying silently outside an abortion clinic. Thought crimes will now get you punished in England”

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1717542499219018034

They aren’t cops. They are political operatives disguised as cops. It’s like being addressed by a couple of Karens with poor language skills.
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October 27, 2023 11:10am
- peterwn
  
  Probably missing the whole story here. She was probably harassing women entering the clinic which is quite unacceptable. There was a similar problem at Wellington’s abortion clinic but that was resolved when the clinic was moved into the labyrinth of the main hospital.
  
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  October 27, 2023 11:39am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    If you have evidence of her harassing women then produce it. There is absolutely none that I can see.
    This is someone being arrested for ‘thought crime’.
    
    This isn’t the first time Christians have been arrested for practicing their faith and silently praying.
    
    https://nypost.com/2022/12/22/uk-woman-arrested-for-praying-across-from-abortion-clinic/
    
    A Catholic woman was arrested and searched for ‘praying silently’ near an abortion facility. Isabel Vaughan-Spruce was seen being detained by three police officers after saying that she “might be” praying inside her head inside a censorship zone surrounding the clinic.
    
    “might be praying inside her head?????”
    
    In what purports to be a democracy, this is the stuff of nightmares. Trying to make excuses for it is weak to say the least.
    
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    October 27, 2023 12:42pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Actually the story is that all she did was stand there silently praying.
    Had no signs and didn’t speak to anyone and wasnt even at the entrance to the Clinic.
    Was it wise? Maybe not but the tyranny from the Police is concerning
    
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    October 27, 2023 12:42pm
    - kowtow
      
      The tyranny comes from parliament .Police though , who literally ignore vast swathes of crime in the UK now are more than happy to persecute , sorry prosecute , certain crimes and certain people , as opposed to certain others.
      
      Robert Peel would be turning in his grave at how politicised the Bobbies have become , both by parliament and their own “management”.
      
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      October 27, 2023 12:48pm
    - peterwn
      
      If that were the case she should appeal her ‘penalty’. I would be surprised if there were not supporters who would foot the legal costs on her behalf. CPS would probably back off very quickly if she lodged an appeal to avoid a courtroom media circus.
      
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      October 27, 2023 6:14pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        Why should she have to? As if to say you should have to defend against an illegal search.
        
        Do you know what an illegal search is?
        
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        October 27, 2023 8:23pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    No, she wasn’t harassing anyone. If she had been that would have been clear cause for arrest and she would have been duly arrested.
    
    That the cop is performing a puerile interrogation over nothing more than silently praying shows clearly the woman wasn’t physically harassing anyone.
    
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    October 27, 2023 12:50pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Team Biden Now Claims There Were Never Any Vax Mandates.

https://teapartypolls.com/buzzbombmedia/team-biden-now-claims-there-were-never-any-vax-mandates/?
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October 27, 2023 11:23am
- ClanMcleod
  
  He’s been on the phone to Chippie then? Bet he doesn’t know what a man is either? lol
  
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  October 27, 2023 12:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Journalists resort to imaginative reasons for Labour’s loss.
Blame big money interests for helping Luxon and the National Party win.
Nothing to do with Labour and six years with a wrecking ball.

https://centrist.co.nz/adams-journalists-resort-to-imaginative-reasons-for-labours-loss/
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October 27, 2023 11:49am
- Gravelroad
  
  Many people I know offered the same reasons for not voting for the Labour Party. These included:
  Promotion of race based divisiveness.
  Soft on crime policies for special people.
  General arrogance towards ordinary taxpayers.
  But by far and away the biggest concern was the incompetence around the wasteful expenditure of huge sums of borrowed money for no results or benefit.
  That really shocked people – out here.
  
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  October 27, 2023 12:28pm
  - Swifty
    
    If you see money being wasted, you can be sure it’s yours.
    
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    October 27, 2023 2:29pm
kevn

Gravel… I spoke to another bod the other day who volunteered the fact they had voted for labour. Why I asked. Why?
Free dental care said he.
I printed out the very comprehensive labour waste/fail/racial that someone had compiled and gave it to him.
Next day, the horror of his choice was apparent to him.
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October 27, 2023 12:46pm
- kevn
  
  Here is the list…
  https://laboursfailures.com/
  
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  October 27, 2023 1:08pm
- kowtow
  
  I hope all his teeth fall out with rot waiting for the next labour regime to come to office .
  
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  October 27, 2023 3:34pm
kevn

mallard missed a trick here…
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/siren-kings-porirua-tormented-by-late-night-celine-dion-music-battles/PGVTHSN6DVEDZOQ7HE3IS6GUH4/
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October 27, 2023 12:49pm
Maggie Pie

“Please come out with your hands up.
We don’t want anyone to get hurt!”

Bit late for that I would have thort….

https://twitter.com/rawalerts/status/1717688538932637718
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October 27, 2023 1:02pm
BeaB

The media is obsessed with silly old Winnie whose ego is always his downfall.
They have (intentionally?) totally ignored a saint from the Labour pantheon, Helen Clark, another over-weening ego, who not only unbelievably referred to a ‘crusade’ in Palestine but also the need for a ‘final solution’.
Does nobody study history any more? Or can the Left say the most appalling things and get away with it?
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October 27, 2023 2:01pm
- sirknz
  
  No, nobody studies history anymore.
  
  Yes. The left can say the most appalling things and get away with it.
  
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  October 27, 2023 4:32pm
- peterwn
  
  But St Helen has now been elevated to Godess status and so is untouchable. Not to worry. Her $200k donation to Labour went down the gurgler on election night.
  
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  October 27, 2023 8:44pm
  - Ghost
    
    She didn’t donate $200,000 to labour. She organised a group of donors to match. Since she isn’t listed in donations exceeding $20,000, I doubt she gave much.
    
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    October 27, 2023 8:57pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Ilhan Omar flips out.
“Any other questions?” Ignored. “Any other questions?” Ignored. It is all Israels fault of course to these people.
Then Omar hears a question – boom, does her balls.

https://crystalclearnews.com/ilhan-omars-flips-out-when-reporter-asks-hard-hitting-questions-on-hamas-attack/?
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October 27, 2023 2:42pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I may have posted this.
Picture or it’s not true. Here are the burnt bodies.
Anyone who supports Hamas becomes the same as them – cruel animals.

https://therecorddaily.com/unveiling-the-brutality-israel-exposes-hamas-savage-assault-on-innocent-civilians/?
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October 27, 2023 2:46pm
ClanMcleod

Here’s an excellent article which explains clearly, the nonsense of attempting net zero and the fraudulent narrative about the benefits of EVs.

Mega-Jolt: The Costs & Logistics Of Plugging In EVs Are About To Become Supercharged

Hyped as technological marvels, EVs are boobytrapped with a host of inconveniences and tradeoffs. By now many people have heard about range anxiety, exploding lithium-ion batteries, and the environmental destruction caused by global mining for battery minerals.

But another wave of challenges is in the offing as the federal government and state officials pump in billions of dollars to build out a massive national infrastructure of charging stations to power the EVs.

Hasn’t Chris Luxon said he will build 10,000 new charging stations? Has anyone seen the business analysis? Maybe someone could pass this on to Mr Luxon?

The sheer scale of a charging infrastructure means recruiting retailers and businesses to install and maintain chargers that are expected to lose money in the near future, with some likely to be written off as economic losses.

It’s impossible to make a case for this madness, EVEN IF there was a climate crisis that requires a move to net zero carbon emissions. Something which has never been proven. In fact, the body of actual science rather than ‘consensus’ says it is a nonsense.

Every part of the article is well written with plenty of supporting links. This was the last paragraph.

This year, an exasperated Los Angeles Times columnist declared she’s ready to trade in her EV because charging is such a hassle. She wrote that chargers are sometimes blocked by cars that aren’t charging, exposed to blistering sunlight, charging at lower levels than advertised, or “it may shut off mid-charge with no warning or reason.”

The frustration seems to have no expiration date. As Jonathan Levy, EVgo chief commercial officer, told the New York Times last year: “Where there’s a screen, there’s a baseball bat.”

A superb analysis which should be compulsory reading for anyone considering purchasing an EV as anything other than an expensive bit of virtue signaling or a ‘fun’ hobby car for going shopping, certainly not for a road trip of any length.

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/mega-jolt-costs-and-logistics-plugging-evs-are-about-become-supercharged
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October 27, 2023 3:08pm
- kowtow
  
  Another thing to watch for will be the inevitable ‘range rage ‘ when frushdaded travellers can’t access or are pissed off by other users taking too long……..
  
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  October 27, 2023 3:31pm
kevn

Clan… Talk to anyone who travels beyond the city. Many of the EV chargers en-route to anywhere else are not working and/or damaged. Range anxiety is real.
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October 27, 2023 3:21pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  ChargeNet shows only three chargers faulty out of hundreds across the country.
  
  I worry more about que anxiety than range anxiety.
  
  ChargeNet also shows you which chargers are in use in real time.
  
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  October 27, 2023 5:07pm
  - kevn
    
    info… Thanks for that link. Interesting to a non EV driver. I see 31 stations with fault issues, 3 completely out.
    
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    October 27, 2023 6:04pm
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      Have a closer look. Not faulty but being “used” at the moment.
      
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      October 28, 2023 5:30am
  - kevn
    
    300 odd stations, 10% with issues, 3 completely broken.
    
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    October 27, 2023 6:17pm
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      If being used is an “issue”.
      
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      October 28, 2023 5:31am
Maggie Pie

YIKES!!

Now Aljaz is reporting the US has struck Iran.

My partner reckons this could be the start of ww3 AND ww4 🙁
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October 27, 2023 4:51pm
- Ghost
  
  Oh well, the kiddies won’t have to worry about climate change
  
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  October 27, 2023 4:58pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    No larfing matter Ghost….we’re in the middle of some new landscaping.
    
    This is all i can find –
    
    https://trib.al/6YhvRZj
    
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    October 27, 2023 5:03pm
    - Albie
      
      I’ve had 6 years of frickin socialism with a daily dose of climate change alarmism.
      Bring on WW3 or 4, might be a bit of welcome relief!
      
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      October 27, 2023 5:36pm
  - kevn
    
    Ghost… Just fuel costs to hit new highs.
    
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    October 27, 2023 6:06pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Aljazeera says the US has struck Iranian targets in Syria not Iran.
  
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  October 27, 2023 5:02pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Same thing, silly!
    
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    October 27, 2023 5:37pm
Inandout

It gets rather confusing with all these happenings, Ukraine, Gaza, Maine shooting and Mosque inquiry. I am suffering from news overload.
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October 27, 2023 5:47pm
Scooter

Probably this journalist’s first time out of NZ into the real world. An article on the Paris Metro during the world Cup. She actually thinks a carriage may collapse, for one thing does she realise how far off the ground it is. And another moans that there should be staff monitoring the numbers as it’s a health and security risk. Mon dieu!

“I was surprised the trains didn’t break down to be honest.
I can’t imagine how much weight the carriages can safely carry, but it would’ve been pushed to the brink.”
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/500869/paris-metro-put-to-the-test-during-rugby-world-cup
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October 27, 2023 6:10pm
Swifty

I think it’s time we halt all Pacific immigration into NZ.

As the Left themselves have pointed out to us hundreds of times of late, they clearly don’t cope here, they occupy the bottom of all economic and social indices – and require special resourcing, not required by other immigrant groups, and which means less for existing NZ citizens.

Increasingly, they also feature more and more heavily in serious crime – not the sort of people we want in our country.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/manukau-apartment-murder-jury-rejects-self-defence-bid-by-susana-leota-lu-who-stabbed-samantha-whitehouse-94-times/QGQARZVC2BDYNHA7TSMMZY3JEE/

I think we need to face the facts and listen to what the Left are telling us – Pacific people just can’t hack it here and will be better off staying in their homelands.

Be kind and end Pacific immigration NOW!

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October 27, 2023 6:21pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/133192655/man-with-150-convictions-including-manslaughter-and-killing-pet-dog-granted-parole
This is insane.
Name the Parole Board members and any relevant judges etc so that we can find them responsible for the inevitable future disasters.
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October 27, 2023 6:44pm
- Scooter
  
  NZ should be renamed Alcatraz, the open air prison of the Sth Pacific.
  
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  October 27, 2023 9:35pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Why wuld OneEwes refer to dead toddler Ruthless-Empire as …BABY RU ?

Asking for a friend.
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October 27, 2023 7:36pm
- Ghost
  
  You watch one news?
  
  Give them a call they might be able to help you
  
  https://mentalhealth.org.nz/helplines
  
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  October 27, 2023 7:43pm
- Scooter
  
  And 2 years old still not registered with Births, Deaths & Marriages, name strangely not accepted but the dept was “working” with the family. More pussing footing around these degenerates.
  
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  October 27, 2023 9:07pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    I recall many years ago my mother saying that a birth had to be registered within some period, possibly a month, of birth for the family benefit to be paid from the date of birth.
    It seems to me to be unjust to call upon taxpayers to fund a child that has not had its birth registered.
    
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    October 27, 2023 10:30pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Thanks, Scooter.
    
    I wondered how the Registrar of Births could accept that name, at GD on Thursday afternoon.
    
    I’m pleased to see the Registrar did indeed reject it.
    
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    October 28, 2023 7:52am
Aldousk

. . . nor all thy tears wash out a word of it
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