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Simon

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Luxon without principles and floats with the wind will be very useful qualities in a PM given the international political position. NZ will need to hard pivot to China at some point over the next 5 years.

Hate to say it but John Key has got China right.

GAE with its D.I.E / E.S.G failures will lead to NZ under Luxon to pivot to embrace the economically sound BRICS. Luxon will not be a GAE hold out as he floats along with the wind. Luxon on the surface a woke corporate shrill but he can read a room and his wokeness just got him through the ranks. Watch NZ pivot. Its what small countries must do to get along.
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October 26, 2023 8:03am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Sadly NZ learnt nothing when the UK joined the EEC in 1973. We went on to replace the UK with China as a dominate trading partner. Now we are going to reap the foolishness of that decision. What we should have done was look to spread our trade risk. Better to send 10% of exports to 10 countries than 30% to one. China will punish NZ if we side with the US and other Western countries by stopping our exports and imports. Other countries wont pick up the slack. Get used to a even more peasant economy than we have now.
  And thanks to all the Governments of both sides over the 50 years…………………………….for nothing.
  
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  October 26, 2023 9:12am
  - cmm
    
    ” Better to send 10% of exports to 10 countries than 30% to one. ”
    
    That is not how international trade works.
    
    It isn’t a farmers’ market where you send all your cabbages to X-street market then find they’re only buying broccoli and should have sent your cabbages to Y street market.
    
    All goods are really just put on the international market place and people buy or don’t buy.
    
    What does matter is having free trade agreements etc.
    
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    October 26, 2023 9:22am
  - Jack5
    
    Australia is still more important economically to NZ than China is.
    
    Until recently only behind China in exports, but of vast business influence in NZ: controls the banks; many big foreign firms just tack NZ operations onto their bigger Australian arms; enveloped in international shipping and air routes to Australia.
    
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    October 26, 2023 9:34am
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    Who exactly is “we” here? I haven’t sold anything to China. The Government hasn’t forced anybody to sell anything to China when they wanted instead to sell it to India, or Germany, or whoever. If any individual farmer, or manufacturer, or service exporter, has rendered themselves entirely dependent on a Chinese buyer, the more fools they, but how are “we” responsible for that? Was the Government supposed to stop them, and was the Government then responsible for compensating, or finding another buyer for, the lost sales?
    
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    October 26, 2023 9:58am
- wilderbeast
  
  Key has attracted a lot of criticism for “not changing anything” in nine years of power, but he deserves credit for the stability and downstream prosperity that NZ enjoyed in his time. Certainly they were far better times than the last six years under the socialist phoneys. However….in my view China was a blindspot of his. I attended a number of addresses he made at breakfasts and conferences and he wash unabashedly pro-relations with China. At one breakfast I went to he identified digital comms and China as the “opportunities of our time” and said that with China “you choose to be on the wagon or not, I choose to be on”. He was quite dismissive of those with moral or practical reasons to not think the same. I guess it’s a complicated issue. There’s a lot of noise about the political east (China, Russia etc) feeding the western culture wars to destabilise us from within, and that’s almost certainly true. But it’s a fraught game, because our increased moral posturing might lead us to completely isolate them economically. It seems a million miles away right now, but there is already a subtle shift away from reliance on China with some manufacturing pivoting to other parts of Asia. It’s not practical to turn the tap off quickly but i think we should be looking elsewhere right away.
  
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  October 26, 2023 9:44am
  - cmm
    
    The best thing Key did was to be the front man leaving room for Bill English to do his magic.
    
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    October 26, 2023 11:37am
- thirteenstars
  
  BRICS is a bait-and-switch scheme run by the CCP. Ask yourself, who’s trading in the Yuan? The Rupee? The Real? The (oh, my) Ruble?
  
  Yet we are supposed to believe that a new financial basis composed of those economies and currencies is a real goer?
  
  Even the vaunted Euro has failed to become the default international currency–as it was predicted to become long before now–yet it exists upon a far more historically sound basis than anything behind BRICS.
  
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  October 26, 2023 9:53am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Hymm Ok.
    “historically sound basis than anything behind BRICS.”
    So belief in Debt is “Sound” ?
    https://watcher.guru/news/brics-currency
    
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    October 26, 2023 10:55am
  - virtualmark
    
    A recent insight into BRICS … India has been paying Russia for oil in rupees. Russia is now demanding they pay in yuan, because Russia now has too many rupees that it can’t convert. India refusing to buy yuan.
    
    One big happy family. Basically just united in their dislike of the West.
    
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    October 26, 2023 11:45am
- Philview
  
  Luxon took over a party that was an internal mess and steadied the ship. He is also PM just 3 years after entering parliament. I think he has ability and has had to work against a weird media set up.
  
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  October 26, 2023 10:32am
- mawm
  
  Simon – I agree that we must pivot away from the failing hegemonic US orbit. For some time I have been suggesting that we need to leave the 5 Eyes. At the drop of a hat they will betray us. The same with Europe. Remember GB cut trading with us to join the Common Market?
  
  As a distant island nation we are dependent on the powers that control the sea routes and we need to be allied with them. Initially it was the British, who lost it to the US and now the US are losing it to China. It makes sense to be on friendly terms with China, trade with them and court the other BRICS – including Russia.
  
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  October 26, 2023 10:33am
  - Master Mariner
    
    It was interesting dont you think when Minister of Foreign Affairs took over her Portfolio stated ” We must go back to the original intention of 5 Eyes”.
    
    What she meant needed to change we will never know , As it was never questioned ?
    
    This time I would agree with N. Mahouta.
    
    Then Silence.
    
    The “messaging” during Covid came from a single source. It can only come through the 5 Eyes channel of communications ?
    
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    October 26, 2023 11:10am
    - mawm
      
      I was interested in the report of “retired” US CIA people working in NZ as part of 5 Eyes. Have we got a de facto US administration?
      
      We know they threaten their friends (eg Netherlands when it wanted to pull out of Afghanistan that they would stop all trade through Rotterdam), what did they threaten Jacinda and NZ with during the covid debacle? Something bad enough that National and ACT had to shut up?
      
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      October 26, 2023 12:30pm
  - Diogenes
    
    @mawm: China is not in a position to control the world’s sea routes. Peter Zeihan points out that China has no long-distance naval capacity, and can control no more than the seas in its vicinity.
    
    The problem is that the USA has less capability now, and possibly less desire, and therefore the future “protection” of free trade is becoming more of a very unclear free-for-all. Let us hope that “unclear” does not become “nuclear”.
    
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    October 26, 2023 11:59am
    - mawm
      
      True at the moment but they are continually expanding their capability and reach with more ships and with facilities being built in small Pacific Island nations.
      
      The US has no treaty with us to protect us and I believe will not do so unless it’s for their benefit.
      
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      October 26, 2023 12:35pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Peter Zeihan has been wrong a lot of the time, A sort of “jack of all and Master of none” Geopolitical Commentator.
      
      “@mawm: China is not in a position to control the world’s sea routes.”
      Its the Ports you need to control, And China is Building them in Strategic Locations to help with “Maritime Belt and Road”.
      
      The “Sea Routes” will follow the Location of newer Ports.
      https://thediplomat.com/2021/12/chinas-growing-dominance-in-maritime-shipping/
      
      On a side note, I find it fascinating that China/ Russia are pro Globalisation and the West is not.
      They understand the importance of Supply Chains due too neccessity while the West is trying to destroy them.
      
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      October 26, 2023 1:13pm
      - Sparrow
        
        An excellent article which highlights Chinese involvement in ports around the world Its interesting to note that Hutchisons (HPH) I believe operate the container terminals at each end of the Panama Canal which has caused angst for the Americans. HPH use to have a mixed Chinese and Anglo senior management team as far as I am aware it is totally Chinese now.
        
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        October 26, 2023 4:42pm
Chuck Bird

This shows what we are up against.

Hamas Terrorists Disguised As IDF Open Fire On Innocent Civilians

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVbVjBsPrzU
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October 26, 2023 8:05am
- igm
  
  Greens and their supporters will be proud of these bastards.
  
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  October 26, 2023 8:10am
- Simon
  
  “This shows what we are up against.”
  
  She said “the lack of knowledge by the IDF and Shin Bet” about what Hamas had been planning “hurt us badly. We were the scapegoats for the leadership.” The signs were there ahead of the onslaught, including balloons flown over the border to set fire to kibbutz fields. “And the IDF, somewhere, didn’t take it seriously.”
  
  Referring to the terrorists’ breaching of Israel’s security barrier on the Gaza border, Lifshitz said: “A swarm of people came to the fence — it cost NIS 2 billion ($493 million) and it didn’t help, not even a little bit.”
  
  https://www.timesofisrael.com/freed-hamas-hostage-recounts-ordeal-slams-israeli-failures-speaks-well-of-captors/
  
  Failure by govt to carry out basic functions. Billions spent by govt to produce shit. Just like NZ.
  
  This is what the people of the post-West is up against.
  
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  October 26, 2023 8:33am
  - cmm
    
    That is a bit OTT saying the fence did not work “one bit”. The fence did, and still does, work to a great extent. Sure, it was breached but the flow of people was limited to relatively short portions. It still kept back far more than if it had not been there. It was also relatively easy to re-secure.
    
    There was certainly a failure in identifying the threat of drone attacks on the towers.
    
    $500M is small money in the grand scheme of things. Each Iron Dome missile costs USD50k and they fire those off like Guy Fawkes.
    
    What are the options? The only other option for Israel would to cease to exist.
    
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    October 26, 2023 9:28am
    - I remember when
      
      The fence did not work “one bit.”
      In fact, the fence did work but was isolated from its support elements.
      Even with its failures the fence caused bottlenecks, which Hamas only overcame by using multiple breaches.
      The fence gives the IDF the ability to concentrate their defence on relatively small areas, they just lost their ‘eyes.’
      
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      October 26, 2023 10:27am
      - kowtow
        
        The eyes were targetted early on , but so was the divisional hq .That meant there was no information and no command and control ( as they were fighting for their lives)
        
        Israel had 7 surveillance balloons , along with many other surveillance methods , on the border . 3 weren’t operational on the morning of the attack and the 4 that were were destroyed early in the attack.
        
        btw Netanyahu had recently sent 3 battalions from gaza command to west bank for issues there .
        
        You can’t defend a border , surveilled or otherwise without troops.
        
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        October 26, 2023 11:52am
- G152
  
  Any-one here care to explain how Russia wants a ceasefire in Gaza but not in the Ukraine?
  
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  October 26, 2023 9:52am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Well for starts,
    A war resulting in the total desctruction of life on Earth.
    Sounds pretty sensible too me.
    Finished.
    
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    October 26, 2023 11:18am
Warren

You have to wonder why Newshub allowed and still do Senior Journalists Jenna Lynch and Lloyd Burr to continue to try and hurt Chris Luxon and the National Party with continious sleaze columns on his worthiness as a Prime Minister for New Zealander’s especially when they continue to make huge financial losses on their investment.
TV Discovery owner Warner Bros takes $35 million loss in stride after a $25 loss last year up from $5 million in 2018 and will not reflect any of the impact of the Covid19 pandemic which has taken a huge chunk out of the media firms advertising revenues since March.
Because discussions have bee” positive”,it had prepared its accounts on the basis that it was a going concern but there remained uncertainty over whether it would be able to negotiate a deal it said.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/121808954/television-channel-three-owner-mediaworks-posts-big-loss
So I wonder when the begging bowl will come out for Newshub because another big loss after The $25million last year won’t go down well with investor’s.
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October 26, 2023 8:06am
- thirteenstars
  
  And I wonder when National will start muttering about, “not liking to bail companies out but a competitive and strong media is essential to NZ, mumble, mumble, mumble.”
  
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  October 26, 2023 10:21am
  - septic skeptic
    
    If they do that I will lose complete faith in Luxon and his government. Permanently. I suspect they might just do that though.
    
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    October 26, 2023 4:20pm
- Philview
  
  I see they are axing the Project. They say the public have moved on from that type of light format. Does this mean hard hitting critiques of the new Government’s policies will be coming to our screens instead.
  
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  October 26, 2023 1:30pm
- Prince
  
  ‘The Project’ has been axed. Perhaps Lynch and her cronies will follow. The owners finally figuring out that aiming at 30% of the market doesn’t work.
  
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  October 26, 2023 1:37pm
kevn

ouch…
https://swprs.org/why-israel-created-hamas/
and 9 years ago …
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/
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October 26, 2023 8:07am
- Master Mariner
  
  Thanks Kevn, Inlightening.
  
  I will say it again , How different would it look if Yatzhik Rabin still lived ?
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6UCrO7Ufqg
  
  “As the officials cited below make clear, the overall goal of supporting Hamas has been to thwart the creation of a Palestinian state and avert the implementation of a two-state solution to the Palestine question. From Israel’s perspective, a two-state solution would reduce Israel’s territory to the internationally recognized pre-1967 borders, prohibit any future territorial expansion, and prevent the recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital city.”
  
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  October 26, 2023 9:06am
Souvlaki

So, lets get this straight….we CANT discuss this BECAUSE of the threat of violence? How low have we sunk in NZ where the thugs veto overrides all?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300994769/nah-f-off-mori-say-treaty-referendum-would-trigger-widespread-protest?cid=app-android
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October 26, 2023 8:09am
- John Loveridge
  
  Nah, fuck off, say the Maoris. Classy.
  
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  October 26, 2023 8:10am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    One Maori.
    
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    October 27, 2023 3:00am
- Tricati
  
  The activists and Maori elite don’t want this discussed as they know they will be on a hiding to nothing. Every survey/poll I have seen, clearly indicates the majority of New Zealanders want his sorted, and an end to the continual re-interpretation of the Treaty and the ‘obscure’ principles, what ever they are.
  That’s why it was kept under wraps by Labour during the election campaign as they knew it was toxic.
  
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  October 26, 2023 8:15am
  - pdm
    
    ` Every survey/poll I have seen, clearly indicates the majority of New Zealanders want his sorted,’
    
    That includes all of the non activist Maori who just want to get on with their daily lives. mrspdm and I had lunch a few week backs with old friends. He is a blood relation of the Tainui Maori King and he has no time for the bullshit that is going on.
    
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    October 26, 2023 9:08am
  - tavita
    
    So lets pass ACT’s legislation setting out the principles and forget about the referendum. The left will ignore the results anyway so there is really little point getting everyone worked up.
    
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    October 26, 2023 9:55am
- Cassandra
  
  Ignorant people are describing this as a referendum on the Treaty. It is not. It is a referendum on a definition of the principles of the Treaty. It is vital that the principles be defined once and forever. Perpetual extension of the treaty into every aspect of life in NZ should be stopped. It happened in 1840. End of story. Time we honoured the ToW properly.
  
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  October 26, 2023 8:20am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Tell that to Chris Luxon. He says any such referendum would be “divisive”. He and the Maori Party seem to be in agreement there.
    
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    October 26, 2023 10:11am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Best ask Geoffrey Palmer. He was the one who first added Principles to the Treaty into legislation in 1989.
    
    https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Treaty-Principles.pdf
    
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    October 26, 2023 11:26am
    - Burtland
      
      not sure you would get anything sensible back just word soup – he didnt know what they were when he put them in – sloppy work by Geoffrey
      
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      October 26, 2023 12:36pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Sloppy done on purpose.
        
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        October 27, 2023 9:19am
- Matt Long
  
  Here’s a Waitangi Tribunal for Te Paparahi o Te Raki (Northland) recommendation based on the Principles of the Treaty, that first Maori didn’t cede sovereignty to the crown, that government land purchases were illegal because they were based on threats, and amounted to confiscation, and that all crown land should be returned to Maori.
  https://waitangitribunal.govt.nz/news/tribunal-releases-report-on-te-paparahi-o-te-raki-inquiry/#:~:text=It%20also%20recommended%20the%20Crown,respect%2C%20and%20give%20effect%20to
  It’s going to be difficult to put that back in Pandora’s Box.
  
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  October 26, 2023 8:23am
  - Matt Long
    
    The great thing about X I’ve found is you stir up these hate filled people and then find some really interesting information, this time because I criticised Damien O’Connor’s smug post.
    https://x.com/DamienOConnorMP/status/1716716307746635805?s=20
    
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    October 26, 2023 8:30am
    - cmm
      
      Oh the irony. The sustainable trade picture showing a robot arm building a solar panel – an activity that does not happen in NZ.
      
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      October 26, 2023 8:37am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “This is an excellent endorsement for New Zealand and our success in economic growth.”
      
      New Zealand has a terrible growth performance. 🤯 Just downright lies. Good riddance.
      
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      October 26, 2023 8:44am
      - Master Mariner
        
        Yep, Just ask Germany how that is working out without Cheap power / Energy //.
        
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        October 26, 2023 11:21am
- Benedict Yu
  
  ““I live and breathe and walk by the Treaty; because it is my life, it is my breath, it is my blood that flows through my body.”.
  
  I feel sorry for this person. Such an outlook will not lead to a contented or successful life. What does that statement remind you of? An evangelical Christian. Replace “Treaty” with “God”. This woman is living proof that the Treaty has become a religion.
  
  The other thing that comes through from those interviewed is a perception that ACT is proposing a referendum to rescind the Treaty. Expect the media to keep fuelling that myth.
  
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  October 26, 2023 8:40am
  - Matt Long
    
    I think you will find that for treaty religionists the Principles of the Treaty will be more important than the treaty itself which is a politically benign agreement for colonialism of New Zealand.
    
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    October 26, 2023 8:46am
    - All_on_Red
      
      The Principles provide a mechanism for grift and power, which is why they will fight like hell to keep them
      
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      October 26, 2023 8:53am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Beware of the mis-informed who confuse the ‘Principles’ with the ‘Articles.’
      There is one large problem with all of this. Most of NZ are not really familiar with what is in the Treaty. Also many Maori think they know, but most are in the two generations since the Waitangi Tribunal rogue Treaty version was written. There are not two Treaty versions, just one, the original in Maori along with the Littlewood Draft.
      
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      October 26, 2023 9:14am
  - Inandout
    
    BY, this photo explains how the Treaty industry began.
    https://teara.govt.nz/en/ephemera/36376/treaty-protest-posters-the-treaty-is-a-fraud
    
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    October 26, 2023 10:25am
  - I remember when
    
    The Treaty was with a Maori that no longer exist in the sense they did in 1840.
    Most are no longer majority dna Maori, do not live on their tribal land and they largely use government provided resources.
    Very little, if anything, in the Treaty has any relevance to their day to day lives.
    
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    October 26, 2023 10:43am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Maybe have a referendum on whether we can have a referendum on the Treaty.
  The reason Maori are dead against this is the post 1975 Waitangi Tribunal re-written Treaty had “forestry and fisheries” added in 1989 by Sir Hugh Kawharu. This was NOT in the original Maori Treaty of the Littlewood Draft.
  Without “forestry and fisheries” the Gravy Train will stop.
  Now with so much being written about the Treaty there is a huge amount of dis-information (false or modified information knowingly and deliberately shared to cause harm or achieve a broader aim.) on the google machine. Words like “partnership” deliberately included is one example.
  Back to this ‘violence’ thing. John Tamihere is one stirring the pot more than others. He has become dangerous, as have idiots like Rawiri Waititi.
  
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  October 26, 2023 9:08am
- surfing
  
  The media line is that the majority of the population support co-governance and agree with the recent re-interpretation of the treaty.
  
  If so, why are Maori so fearful of a referendum?
  
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  October 26, 2023 4:29pm
greybeard

What has happened to the “Great Queenstown Water Supply Scandal” of 2023?
Since the election we have not heard a word about it: could it have been just a pre-election 10-Waters Scam after all ?

Here is what I emailed to HDPA & Hosking on the 25th September:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300976787/investigation-into-queenstowns-cryptosporidium-outbreak-intensifies-will-leave-no-stone-unturned

“There were at least 30 confirmed cases of the gastro bug yesterday – mostly people aged 15-39 – with a handful more still under investigation.”

When is someone going to ask the real questions about this ?
Why so few cases ?
Why all young people ?
Why all from the same area ?
Why the super-rapid intervention of the new Maori-oriented water authority?
Why was this infrastructure never a problem until 3 weeks before the election?

It stinks.”
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October 26, 2023 8:10am
- Blog-aholic
  
  It did then and it does now. It was a great quasi false flag for 3 Waters IMO as it played exactly into the narrative.
  
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  October 26, 2023 8:19am
- kowtow
  
  “Experts” at Otago Uni blamed farmers.
  
  What a surprise .
  
  What else do they get wrong .
  
  ps I still see people masked up . These “experts” have a lot to answer for.
  
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  October 26, 2023 8:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Saw one idiot yesterday with a fabric mask then covered with an N95 mask.
    This is what “safe and effective” programing has done to them.
    
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    October 26, 2023 9:19am
    - leoj
      
      Your down ticker drives alone while wearing a mask.
      
      Maybe a Greenie who thinks ICE cars are the problem (yet still drives one). That is about their mentality.
      
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      October 26, 2023 11:51am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        A 1970 Datsun 120Y!!
        
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        October 27, 2023 9:21am
rouppe

It has struck me that now that Tamatha Paul is entering parliament on the Green list, that means a sitting councilor leaving WCC, so won’t that cause a by-election?

No one seems to be talking about the expense this causes.
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October 26, 2023 8:22am
- MCōs
  
  There’s a sitting councilor in Marlborough who is now an MP.
  He reckons he can do both jobs.
  
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  October 26, 2023 9:33am
  - Opie
    
    Still achieves nothing, just gets paid twice
    
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    October 26, 2023 11:07am
  - Countrygirl
    
    Wouldn’t you for two pay cheques? //
    
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    October 26, 2023 11:09am
- Steve Todd
  
  rouppe: Tamatha Paul is entering parliament solely because she won Wellington Central. She was not on the Green Party list.
  
  She told Nick Mills (the host of Wellington Mornings) on Monday, 16 October, that she will resign as a city councillor in mid-November (presumably once the new government is in place).
  
  Under section 120(1)(b) of the Local Electoral Act, a by-election must take place not later than 89 days after the electoral officer has been notified of her vacancy. That means it will be held soon after mid-February – perhaps in March.
  
  Why should anyone be talking about the expense this causes? Council by-elections occur semi-regularly, all round the country, for any number of reasons. They cost what they cost.
  
  Are you suggesting Tamatha Paul had no business standing for parliament? Where are you coming from with your “expense this causes” comment?
  
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  October 26, 2023 1:19pm
  - wsk12345
    
    Perhaps we should change the law so great we make so with one unfollow down or even two but have a by election when it’s 3 down.
    Not like most of them do anything.
    
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    October 26, 2023 1:45pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Well, nothing to stop her standing.
    But her moral standards are dubious.
    If she had known in 2022 that she was going to stand for Parliament in 2023 then she should not have stood again for Council.
    And I bet she knew.
    Her behaviour is just self serving and greedy.
    She just wanted the money.
    But thats the Greens for ya.
    
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    October 26, 2023 1:46pm
    - Stu2
      
      Even if she was intending to stand in 2023 she wouldn’t have expected to win, and wouldn’t have known then that the labour candidate wasn’t going to be stellar
      
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      October 26, 2023 2:10pm
  - rouppe
    
    Where I’m coming from is the harping when electorate mp’s leave.
    
    Yes she won the seat, she’s still on the list, since you seem to want to be pedantic.
    
    It is very clear to me she never wanted to be a councillor, it was just a fill-in till she could enter Parliament
    
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    October 26, 2023 2:29pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Where I’m coming from is the harping when electorate mp’s leave.
      
      That makes no sense. And which electorate MPs? But even so, why didn’t you make that clear in your 8:22AM comment?
      
      No, she is not “still on the list”. When the seats are allocated to parties next week, the first three Green seats will go to the Electorate winners, then the remaining seats will be allocated to List candidates, starting with Marama Davidson and James Shaw (and skipping over Swarbrick and Genter). (See subsections (2)(a) and (4), here, https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0087/latest/DLM310042.html.
      
      Your third sentence is just your prejudiced opinion. This time last year, Paul had no expectation of being an MP anytime soon. At this election, she chose not to go on the list; it was Wellington Central (her patch*) or bust – she would remain a local councillor.
      
      * In this regard, see https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/09/general_debate_11_september_2023.html/comment-page-1#comment-3434196.
      
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      October 26, 2023 4:26pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Wrong, Steve. Tabitha is a career politician. From student politics to Council to parliament. No doubt she has the UN in her sights at some point. She’s a self important, know-nothing drone and parasite.
        
        Where I do agree with you is that although her sights were always set on parliament, she would not have had a high expectation in 2022 of winning a seat at the last election.
        
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        October 26, 2023 8:05pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @NeverMindTheBollocks @ 8:05PM
        
        What am I wrong about, Bolly? Both rouppe and yourself have opinions about Tamatha Paul and her supposed motivations, nothing more. Neither of you, or me, know her beyond what is publicly known about her. But then, I haven’t proffered any opinions about her.
        
        What a shame that rouppe was unable to explain what he was getting at with his 8:22AM comment yesterday. Having been put on the spot, all he could do was make a snide reference about me, then expose his true motivation for that comment – his dislike of Tamatha Paul / hatred of the Green Party.
        
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        October 27, 2023 8:55am
Notsofast

The labour government has created policies for terrible mental health for children in schools by mandating pronouns and gender instruction.
The proof is everywhere in the community with kids expressing confusion at hundreds of times the rate before this government.
The Melons Bay school pronouns scandal is an example, where the children are being forced into the lie.
The article is non premium in the herald, can’t find if right now.

Erica Stanford appears to favour continuance of this damaging practice.
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October 26, 2023 8:23am
- I remember when
  
  I think Erica understands that drawing attention to the issue only extends its life.
  It will like, the LBT identity letters, quietly become an issue only for those that it affects.
  
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  October 26, 2023 10:53am
  - Notsofast
    
    I think national are looking at gender and maori the same way.
    Both issues are enraging hard working parents.
    This is going badly, as the media are closing down the terrible educational and societal outcomes.
    These twin indoctrination models are producing hundreds of child victims, look at the sterilization numbers currently underway for example, well over 1,000.
    
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    October 26, 2023 11:21am
Maggie Pie

O.M.G. you gotta love our new Minister-of-Police 😀

Not only is Mark going to ban gang-patches in public, he’s also going to ban those with facial tattoos!

He has told ‘RNZ Checkpoint’….. Gang Members will be made to apply Foundation when they wake up in the morning, or face arrest.

LISTEN:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018912603
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October 26, 2023 8:38am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And it’s not as if the poor boys have had years of practice blending their bronzer seamlessly.
  
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  October 26, 2023 8:48am
- kevn
  
  Maggie… 4 mins in for impatient.
  
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  October 26, 2023 8:53am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You’re just like most other guys I know kev….always in a hurry.
    
    4 minutes in. SHEESH!!
    
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    October 26, 2023 9:10am
    - Colville
      
      Just like shopping.
      Know what you want, get in, get it done, get out.
      
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      October 26, 2023 11:09am
- G152
  
  There goes the Maori party then
  
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  October 26, 2023 9:58am
plc

So is it true Grant Robertson has gone to Rugby World Cup Final as Minister of Sport?

If so, they really are going to squeeze every bit of juice out of this orange
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October 26, 2023 8:38am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Nice. Business Class flights to and from Paris. A few days in a nice Paris Hotel. And for what?
  
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  October 26, 2023 8:56am
  - rouppe
    
    Whoever is sports minister would be doing this.
    
    At the moment it is Grant.
    
    It’s it a juicy junket? Yes. But it is what it is.
    
    To solve that you need to solve the vote counting problem. Close the roll early. Overseas votes in by election day which means vote early.
    
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    October 26, 2023 9:10am
  - Master Mariner
    
    He’s got to start passing his CV out //
    
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    October 26, 2023 9:27am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Hamas needs some spending advice as the flow of monetised liberal white guilt continues. Robbo certainly knows how to spend. Could be his moment to shine.
      
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      October 26, 2023 10:09am
- RoboRob
  
  What more would we expect 🙂
  
  Contrast this with Luxon who is talking about extended the parliamentry year and shortening Christmas for the polis. Chalk and cheese (on Mince pies in GRs and Megan woods case).
  
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  October 26, 2023 8:58am
- Flossie
  
  If that is the case then I’m going to blame him if we lose!
  
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  October 26, 2023 9:02am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Mmmmm – losers suddenly showing up just before a key performance sometime creates a negative vibe Flossie, so you could be right …
    
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    October 26, 2023 9:44am
- Vinicius
  
  FWIW,
  
  Luxon was consulted and agreed to this.
  https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/sport-minister-represent-govt-rwc-final
  
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  October 26, 2023 9:06am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    well he should have said no.
    
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    October 26, 2023 9:40am
    - BeaB
      
      He’d have looked churlish and petty. Better to endorse Hipkins and Robertson making their decision to keep their snouts in the trough and let them justify it. I am sure Grant Robertson had a distinguished rugby record at Kings High School and has continued his sporting endeavours. You just have to look at him.
      
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      October 26, 2023 10:09am
      - cmm
        
        Churlish? Nope. It would have looped like he was being responsible with taxpayers’ money.
        
        Traveling to the RWC is just a junket. It is not “work”. Therefore it should not be taxpayer funded.
        
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        October 26, 2023 11:34am
  - cmm
    
    This is a pure junket.
    
    “Because he’s minister of sport” is not enough.
    
    What does the taxpayer get out of the outgoing minister of sport going to attend?
    Is he going to advise anyone? Nope.
    Is he going to gather useful information for the improvement of sport in NZ? Nope.
    
    All this is is a paid for holiday.
    
    PS: I want to be minister of flyfishing. I need a trip to the Bahamas to find out how salt flash fishing works.
    
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    October 26, 2023 11:30am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Parasite. Squeezing every last drop of blood out of the country, he should be on trial for economic destruction.
  
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  October 26, 2023 9:16am
  - Bernard Black
    
    Parasite, squeezing every last drop of blood.
    The daily mail has been reporting for weeks on the bed bug problem that is currently out of control in Paris, here is hoping they find Mr Robertson to be a very tasty morsel indeed 😁
    
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    October 26, 2023 12:08pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Elf on the shelf I wonder?
  
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  October 26, 2023 9:39am
- Opie
  
  Check for stop overs in South East Asia for some takeaways
  
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  October 26, 2023 11:09am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Did his husband go too?
  
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  October 26, 2023 11:34am
- virtualmark
  
  Happy to pay for Grant to fly to Paris.
  
  Not happy to pay for flying him back here again.
  
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  October 26, 2023 11:51am
Yvette

Christchurch and Linwood mosques
About halfway through what seems to be a very long conversation for an emergency call, the Parliament staffer says “so it looks like Christchurch and Linwood mosques, potentially, if they exist”

It would seem that this indication that Linwood was named as another target as the attacks started was information not made public before yesterday and so was what surprised so many in court and is the exact point missed by Winston.

And what of the response of the other roughly 29 recipients of the message sent by Tarrant?
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October 26, 2023 9:00am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “It would seem that this indication that Linwood was named as another target as the attacks started was information not made public before yesterday ”
  
  That is flat out wrong. The Royal Commission reported on the “warning” emails which included that Linwood would be a target.
  
  https://christchurchattack.royalcommission.nz/the-report/part-6-what-public-sector-agencies-knew-about-the-terrorist/evaluation-of-what-public-sector-agencies-did-with-the-information-they-had-about-the-individual/
  
  The Commission report is easy to navigate. It astounds me that folk do not consult it before making these claims, including Winston.
  
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  October 26, 2023 10:08am
  - Jack5
    
    A detailed report, but on a quick glance it seems to contain some Orwellian suggestions, such as:
    
    Success will require public knowledge of current risks and threats and a simple pathway to allow people to report concerning behaviours or incidents to a single point within the Public sector …
    
    Examples of such behaviour it cites include “making jokes about committing crimes or harmful acts”.
    
    If we need such restrictions, and new bureaucrats to monitor potential terrorism, then we also need some sort of Terrorism Control Ombudsman, to whom citizens can appeal against bureaucratic over-zeal.
    
    If anti-terrorism controls stifle democracy, then terrorists win.
    
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    October 26, 2023 11:14am
  - Yvette
    
    Benedict, thank you for your correction, and that your link confirms Linwood was not mentioned in the email, but on page 8 of the attached manifesto.
    Yesterday evening’s One News coverage did not help – more than once mixing email and manifesto.
    So that is why I said “information not made public before yesterday”
    
    Benedict. this is the second time Yu have found me wrong
    On strike three I shall disappear ?
    
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    October 26, 2023 11:20am
    - kowtow
      
      You are quite right.
      
      TV1 last night gave that distinct impression .
      
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      October 26, 2023 12:29pm
vand

Yes, Robbo’s gone for his farewell junket at the tax payers expense. It’s small beer compared to the hundreds of billions borrowed!
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October 26, 2023 9:11am
Chuck Bird

I hear Luxon supports Labour’s call for a cease fire in Gaza which benefits Hamas.
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October 26, 2023 9:12am
- Cassandra
  
  If that is true then Luxon is not very clever. Why does he feel compelled to come across as Onan?
  
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  October 26, 2023 9:25am
  - BeaB
    
    Is this the new trend? Carp and pick at everything Luxon says? And he isn’t even PM yet.
    
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    October 26, 2023 10:11am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      This is not a sporting team we are talking about. I voted Act and I will criticise David Seymour if he does something I consider wrong or stupid. I have done so and he did not like it. That is okay and I will still vote Act at this stage as Seymour in my view is right more than Luxon.
      
      Do you think Luxon’s agreement that Israel does not have a right to defend itself?
      
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      October 26, 2023 3:43pm
- rouppe
  
  I reckon Israel ought to say:
  1. You have 2 days to start releasing hostages. Alive and unharmed.
  2. you have 1 week to release all of the hostages. Alive and unharmed.
  3. If you comply, we will cease hostilities.
  4. If you do not, we will not.
  
  I believe a ground invasion would turn significant world opinion against them fairly quickly.
  
  This way, upper hand offers a way out. Failure is then down to Hamas.
  
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  October 26, 2023 10:10am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Israel should permanently annex 1km² of Gaza for every hostage not released in next 24hrs. Maybe another 10 hectares for every missile launched.
    Same rules for West bank, Syria and Lebanon.
    
    At same time they could forcibly relocate Gazans to any territories that fire missiles or mortars at Israel, say 1000 per missile, and not allow them to return.
    
    Hamas and perhaps Gazans on average don’t appear to care about lives lost (Allahs will, Jihad gets you into paradise etc), but they do appear to care about possession of land.
    
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    October 26, 2023 11:07am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      How would they forcibly relocate the scum?
      
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      October 26, 2023 3:46pm
ClanMcleod

With all of the horror stories in our media over recent years, particularly since 9/11, I found this to be an interesting read.

The Attention Economy
One of the major problems we face in society is that everyone is constantly clamoring for our attention, and frequently to get that attention they chose the most outrage provoking message possible. This in turn shifts our culture from one that hungers for the truth and can appreciate the subtle nuances in arguments to a tribal one that wants brief soundbites to describe issues which say one side (your tribe) is right and the other sides is wrong.

People are bombarded with so much media be it audio, video or a combination. Screens everywhere, speakers everywhere, the noise is deafening and I believe in many ways, responsible for this era that seems to be full of hopelessness and despair.
Angry people everywhere, wars everywhere, terrorism everywhere.

The author does a great job, talking about the impacts of dopamine and seratonin on the brain. That food manufacturers and media creators deliberately create these addictive attributes to the products they create.

It is my belief that the susceptibility to this form of reality is a result of the nervous system becoming weakened from our modern environment. For instance:

•Many vaccines and pharmaceuticals are neurotoxic.

•Working with computers (and poor sleep) fatigues the nervous system.

•Our sedentary lifestyles prevent us from connecting to our bodies and circulating the fluids within it.

•We have much less social interaction now and no longer directly activat the parts of the central nervous system that crave human connection.

A very good read and it has certainly made me think hard about my own lifestyle.
Worth having a look at imo.

https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/why-are-we-flooded-with-outrage-producing-742
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October 26, 2023 9:28am
blue collar

Can’t wait for Winston to get stuck into the media .
Was watching Luxon getting hounded by Jessica et al the other day , luxon handled it well , but I couldn’t help thinking , if they spoke to Winston like that …..
I want someone to ask them where was the 4th estate during labours term ?
Blatantly spent 6 years attacking the opposition .
Ditto cartoonists
You can’t be the 4th estate if you’re biased
I can’t see luxon or Seymour saying this , but certainly Winston would / could
Bring him on board in some capacity and use him as an anti co governance / anti media attack dog
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October 26, 2023 9:42am
- Kiwiguy
  
  Make WP the official government media spokesperson!
  
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  October 26, 2023 10:00am
- BeaB
  
  They were part of Arden’s PR machine.
  
  I’d love to see those bills – for all the PR advice she bought on the mosque murders, Covid etc etc.
  
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  October 26, 2023 10:12am
- Gravelroad
  
  It has to be remembered Blue Collar, that the msm was paid by Labour. And if Labour hadn’t funded them, a whole chunk of these puffed up girlfriend journalists would have got the “Don’t come Monday”.
  Some of them feeling a bit despondent now that Mr Luxon might not be going to continue subsidising the media to produce biased political reporting at the expense of the taxpayer.
  
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  October 26, 2023 10:15am
ClanMcleod

More tragic ‘sudden deaths’.

A popular New Zealand fitness influencer and mother of five died suddenly this month.

No cause of death has been revealed for 41-year-old Raechelle Chase, who regularly posted about fitness and relationships for her 1.4 million Facebook followers. She was featured on 14 magazine covers and was the first Kiwi woman to compete in the annual Olympia bodybuilding event.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/raechelle-chase-sudden-death-tributes-flow-for-kiwi-fitness-influencer/QRBAGEZ3K5HM7GQOCK77FIOBN4/

8-Year-Old Israeli ‘Poster Child’ for COVID Vaccines Dies of Sudden Cardiac Arrest

An 8-year-old Israeli boy featured in a video promoting the COVID-19 vaccine died suddenly last month from sudden cardiac arrest.

Yonatan Moshe Erlichman, the son and grandson of prominent Israeli doctors, almost drowned in the bathtub after his heart stopped on the eve of Yom Kippur. Although paramedics were able to revive him, he died several days later on Sept. 28.

https://vigilantnews.com/post/8-year-old-israeli-poster-child-for-covid-vaccines-dies-of-sudden-cardiac-arrest

Condolences to the loved ones left behind.

Of course this is all totally normal and correlation is not causation……

Don’t forget to get your booster……..//
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October 26, 2023 9:43am
- Keith White
  
  If you don’t do the autopsy you can’t collect biopsy material.
  
  If you don’t collect biopsy material you’ll never find evidence of e.g. lethal myocarditis.
  
  If you don’t find evidence of lethal myocarditis you can tell the peasants “nothing to see here. Shut up you antivax conspiracy nutters and trust us again.”
  
  Meanwhile, the Labour/Green Govt changed the rules for coroners last year to ‘allow the cause of death to be recorded as “unascertained natural causes”, with no need for an autopsy or further investigation.’
  
  Mod: link is to the Coroners Amendment Bill passed in March 2023, formalizing the previously-advised changes into law.
  
  https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/coroners-amendment-bill-passes-third-reading-0#:~:text=As%20well%20as%20establishing%20the,inquest%20in%20a%20courtroom%3B%20and
  
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  October 26, 2023 10:44am
  - mawm
    
    It’s almost as if they knew…..
    
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    October 26, 2023 12:49pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Keith White – cheers, I had forgotten about that change to the definition of cause of death in NZ. That really should have been ringing alarm bells everywhere.
    I guess it helps all of those complicit, including the vast majority of MPs who refuse to acknowledge anything has gone wrong.
    
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    October 27, 2023 7:32am
- miltonF
  
  8yr old vaccinated child has heart attack and drowns in bathtub.
  
  So…do people still think the large increase in fatal “water related incidents” has nothing to do with the “vaccine”?
  
  Next, we can discuss the large increase in single vehicle motor accidents.
  
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  October 26, 2023 2:30pm
Rusty

The latest climate change scaremongering porn slogan “doomsday disaster” is the ice melt in Western Antarctica which is going to raise sea levels to 1.8 m in the next… well they don’t actually say when it will happen,

But times running out (once again ) for the world so we better act now and give up our personal freedoms and way of life and allow the “experts” at the democratically elected UN/WEF to save us from the “doomsday disaster”

As Jacinda Ardern would say.
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October 26, 2023 9:44am
- Nickc2
  
  Please give me some warning when you are going to type the name Jacinda Ardern. I need to cover my beer because the mention of that name makes it go flat.
  
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  October 26, 2023 9:59am
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    @Nick2
    
    Apologies from me. If I had my way that name would be expunged from the NZ history books.
    
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    October 26, 2023 12:47pm
  - mogg
    
    You should be quite safe for a while, she is away on a worldwide hugging tour.
    
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    October 26, 2023 1:10pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Don’t forget that Antarctican Penguins now have bird flu too. That apparently is going to decimate the populations. Maybe Pfizer could rush job a vaccine for the Penguins…..
  
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  October 26, 2023 10:18am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Actually, there could be a significant sea level rise but nothing to do with CO2. There are many undersea volcanos that could cause land ice to slide into the ocean.
  
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  October 26, 2023 10:21am
  - cmm
    
    PS: Those volcanoes also release more CO2 than NZ does.
    
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    October 26, 2023 11:21am
    - mawm
      
      PPS – Bongi audio -Allegedly “Wyd kant” Repeated x1. He got that call wrong because they went short side.
      
      https://www.planetrugby.com/news/new-footage-of-bongi-mbonambis-alleged-racial-slur-at-tom-curry-emerges
      
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      October 26, 2023 12:57pm
- Burtland
  
  and, this time, no amount of vegetable eating or EV driving can stop it!
  
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  October 26, 2023 10:26am
- sirknz
  
  In the next 12 years. It is always 12 years from today with any predicted climate doomsday disaster.
  
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  October 26, 2023 11:46am
- Master Mariner
  
  Ok, Here’s a bit of 3rd Form Physics.
  If you put a Ice cube in a Glass and it melts, What happens to the Water. Rise or Fall ?
  
  Western Antartica is Mostly “Under Water”.
  https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/12C6D/production/_110590967_antarctica_sea_level_big_976-nc.png
  
  Unless the “Laws of Physics” have been indoctrinated by the New Indiginous “Science”, Then it is impossible and you would expect the opposite too Happen,
  
  Heres the latest.,
  https://nsidc.org/news-analyses/news-stories/antarctic-sea-ice-hits-record-low-maximum-extent-2023
  
  Were is the Missing Ice in Western Antartica ? My eye’s must be lying again//
  
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  October 26, 2023 12:23pm
  - Rusty
    
    @Master
    
    Correct. Man made climate change has never been about science facts but rather human emotions.
    
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    October 26, 2023 12:52pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/08/14/scientists-discover-91-volcanoes-below-antarctic-ice-sheet/
    
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    October 26, 2023 2:13pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    The issue is not that melting sea ice changes the water level. As you correctly point out, it doesn’t.
    
    The thing is that the ice shelves (sea ice) hold back the glaciers which can then slide into the sea faster.
    
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    October 26, 2023 3:27pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

This Treaty referendum shit is only just starting. Maori will do anything and everything to stop it. They don’t want their free money Gravy Train gone forever!
Two links are nit highlighted or working. “HERE”
There are 11 lies listed in this:

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/maori-default-to-their-biggest-tricks-to-stop-the-act-party-referendum-threats-bullying-and-intimidation/?
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October 26, 2023 10:21am
Maggie Pie

My mixed-doubles partner just re-tweeted this.
Going by all the emojis he obviousy thinks its funny.

TBH i dont even get it.

https://twitter.com/YourTwitFace3/status/1715361642609770795
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October 26, 2023 10:42am
- Local Miller
  
  Well that confirms it then Maggie, you must be blond.
  
  Watch very carefully.
  
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  October 26, 2023 10:55am
- greybeard
  
  I do, and it is very funny !
  
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  October 26, 2023 11:09am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Did it all without any expression. Good job blondie.
  
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  October 26, 2023 11:56am
- RdM
  
  Reminds me of the old joke (possibly paraphrased incorrectly…)
  
  “We’ve all heard that blondes have more fun.”
  
  “But when blondes have more fun – do they know it?”
  
  I’ll get me coat… ;=})
  
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  October 26, 2023 4:51pm
TripeWryter

The New Zealand Herald tells us that up to October 20 Dr Lauren Dickason has received $700,000 in legal aid.
In 2021 Dr Dickason killed her three daughters in Timaru shortly after the family arrived from South Africa.
The story’s tone is less breathlessly indignant than when the Herald ran a similar story a few weeks ago on the Jaz brothers, in Christchurch.
I have no objection to public money going to pay for her defence. Or anybody’s defence. Even Brenton Harrison Tarrant’s.
Lawyers are expensive. Legal Aid helps people to defend themselves.
Dr Dickason’s case is tragic. It was right, in my mind, that she should have access too the best brains possible who might be explain what and why she killed her girls.
I’m not sure, then, why the Herald printed this story. If it’s to do it’s job and make the information to the readers it purports to serve then fine.
Good to know.
If it’s to manufacture public indignation – which was the tone of the similar Danny and Roberto Jaz story – then maybe the media outlet’s ought to reconsider.
A fair suck of the sav before the Old Beak is surely something we – and we like to think we’re civilised and fair – should be proud of.
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October 26, 2023 10:53am
- Swifty
  
  I completely agree.
  
  What does the Herald suggest as an alternative?
  
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  October 26, 2023 1:38pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Outski?
    
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    October 26, 2023 8:13pm
- NothingLeft
  
  The legal process is far far too expensive for the benefit it delivers to the population. All the processes bound up in 200 years of tradition has costs out of reach of 95% of population – making it unbalanced and unjust and exploitable by deep pockets like Kim dot com or that nutty Colin Craig. And for high level businesses it means that almost every multi-billion dollar deal is likely to be litigated to some extent owing to small relative cost. This system does not produce better justice than I can discern due to the power/wealth imbalances – where simply being involved in legal proceedings can bankrupt you. Juries are frequently numpties (as in Bain retrial), and rules of evidence are bullshit in denying decision makers access to pertinent info.
  
  Ideally we could find a way of stripping out 90% of legal process to arrive at a more affordable and fast system, and perhaps require a shared pool of money between defense and prosecution (eg 50% of every legal dollar spent has to be given to other side for them to match you). Perhaps AI in a few years will be able to offer truly ‘fair’ unbiased justice without all the overheads.
  
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  October 26, 2023 3:15pm
Maggie Pie

Remembwer when Ian Lees Galloway was Labor Immigration-Minister and granted Residency to a convicted Czech drug smuggler with lengthy criminal convictions both here and in the Czech Republic?
A lot of people wondered WHY he did that. A few people knew.

Anyone got a theory on the strategy behind Ian’s tweets?

https://twitter.com/IanLG/status/1717293256999129204
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October 26, 2023 11:32am
sirknz

The intellectual heavyweights over at $tuff with the hard hitting questions about rentals.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/133154041/is-it-harder-for-couples-to-find-a-rental-than-it-is-for-singles

Except it isn’t about renting a house or an apartment, it is about renting a room in an established flat. the conclusion is that people don’t want to flat with a couple, I suspect that they don’t want to flat wit the couple highlighted in what passes for an article.
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October 26, 2023 11:42am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Will impeachment ever happen?
Nah, Joe will have his Lawyers state that he is not fit to stand prosecution.
https://patriotpulse.net/this-impeachment-smoking-gun-has-all-hell-breaking-loose-for-joe-biden/?
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October 26, 2023 12:23pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Gavin Newsom has clearly been given the nod to replace Biden. Visited Israel, now visiting Xi in China.
  
  But how will it be done? Will Biden just announce Newsom as running mate (given they are not allowing any primary challengers) and then resign in lead up to election in return for pardons for himself and his family for all their corruption?
  
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  October 26, 2023 12:52pm
  - Littletramp
    
    With Mike Johnson now speaker of the house with 100% of republican vote, take it to the bank that if they have an election next year, Trump will be the next president.
    
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    October 26, 2023 3:10pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      Pretty close to 100% chance that Trump gets convicted of something before the election – the process has after all been arranged to achieve that outcome regardless of fairness or ‘justice’, and Trump will find it very hard to get elected with a conviction against his name (regardless of appeals etc) – even if it only costs him a few % of vote.
      
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      October 26, 2023 5:20pm
rouppe

Looks like The Project is going to be axed.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/threes-7pm-news-show-the-project-set-to-be-axed-by-warner-bros-discovery/4364GUT5QRB7XH5V5PAPE75PZI/

Given I find those “comedians” as funny as a cup of cold sick, I won’t miss them
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October 26, 2023 12:55pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  YAY! That woke leftie Jessie Mulligan gives me the sh!ts tbh.
  Be great if they did give Rebecca Wright her own show in that time slot. She’s really lovely and quite aggressive with her interviewing style. Been sadly lacking for the last 6 years.
  
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  October 26, 2023 1:39pm
- lifesgood
  
  Good old Town and Around, after that it’s all been rubbish. I won’t miss The Project because I watched it once and that was enough.
  
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  October 26, 2023 3:39pm
Jack5

New Zealand isn’t the only place where dairy farms are using immigrant labour.

In Wisconsin, a US dairying state, about 6200 of the state’s 70,000 “undocumented” (illegal) Latin American migrants work on farms that have 500 or more cows.

The state doesn’t let them have driving licences, marooning them from grocery stores and schools.

https://www.propublica.org/article/wisconsin-dairy-undocumented-immigrants-drivers-licenses
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October 26, 2023 1:02pm
- Swifty
  
  There’s an easy fix for that.
  
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  October 26, 2023 1:35pm
- surfing
  
  A friend built a house in CA and it was dead cheap to build. He says immigrant workers did most of the work and they are cheap too.
  
  Visit fast food joints and hotels in CA…. mostly staffed by Mexicans. 12 million illegal immigrants have to do some kind of work.
  
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  October 26, 2023 1:48pm
Maggie Pie

OMG. What a hoot! 😀
Just been having lunch and listening to ZBNews.
Heard them say that English rugby player Tom Currie was “racially abused”
by a South African player called….. Bongy Mbonamby.

LOL!!
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October 26, 2023 1:27pm
kevn

Maggie… Patheic. Stick to board games.
Sounds more like a strategy to clean out a good player.
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October 26, 2023 1:36pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  I’m hopeless @ board games kev!
  Strip Poker is more me 😛
  
  (PS: not sure how many times I need to tell you…use ‘REPLY’ )
  
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  October 26, 2023 1:47pm
Keith White

Haiti and the Dominican Republic share the same land mass (the island ‘Hispaniola’).

Haiti has appalling health care and diseases are rife. The DR has good health care and sound public health structures.

Haiti’s population is 1% vaxxed.
The DR’s population is 56% vaxxed.
Haiti has 1 million more people.
The DR had 5 times the deaths “with” Covid.

Nobody is government wants to know why.
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October 26, 2023 2:04pm
Swifty

Local producers want their competitors taxed so that they may be provided the living they have become accustomed to:

https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/media/screen-industry-calls-for-a-levy-on-streamers?utm_source=nzh&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=nzh-home

Note paywalled.

“It’s not fair! We can’t compete! Our offerings are shit! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!”
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October 26, 2023 2:44pm
Maggie Pie

They’re saying Auckland Council has voted to reject Maori Wards in the 2025 election.

Congrats Mayor Wayne and those other councillors who voted with you.
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October 26, 2023 2:56pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  The Herald said Brown abstained, but other than that, a good result in any case.
  
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  October 26, 2023 4:01pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I do wonder about the IQ General knowledge ability of folks at RNZ.

Their headline tells of a VIRUS affecting bananas….

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/501024/cavendish-banana-plantations-doomed-as-virus-spreads-northland-grower

but read the story and it is clear that the disease-causing organism is a FUNGUS.

A fungal disease called the Panama Disease TR4 is spreading to plantations across the world.
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October 26, 2023 2:58pm
- cmm
  
  Pah! Details, details. Virus is far more trendy,
  
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  October 26, 2023 4:09pm
- kowtow
  
  Easy to slip up when you’re dealing with bananas……
  
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  October 26, 2023 4:24pm
Benedict Yu

Panasonic is building a giant EV battery manufacturing plant in Kansas.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/energy-company-doubling-down-costly-dirty-coal-power-massive-ev-battery-plant

Problem is it needs so much power, that the local power generator has cancelled plans to retire a nearby coal fired plant. Also the plant will receive $US 6.8 billion in government subsidies.

Not so green 🙁
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October 26, 2023 3:02pm
- cmm
  
  So many of these factories are just being built to soak up the subsidies. Same with the chip factories being built to take advantages of the CHIPS act.
  
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  October 26, 2023 3:53pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    China makes the EV, collects the subsidy and parks the car out the back along with tens of thousands of others.
    
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    October 27, 2023 9:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Why can’t they use their own batteries to run it?
  Yeah I know. Grand Daughter tried the same trick. Battery pack for phones so you just plug it into itself. Presto!
  I let her get away with it. 8 year olds so much fun!
  
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  October 26, 2023 4:09pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I remember a guy phoning talk back radio – he had this idea that EVs could run forever and for free. You put a little wind turbine on top of the car. As it turns it recharges the battery.
    
    He must have not paid attention in physics at school.
    
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    October 26, 2023 5:47pm
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      Agree.
      
      Hopefully this person didn’t actually study physics. If so, a sure sign of New Zealand’s poor education system.
      
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      October 26, 2023 7:31pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

RFK’s campaign (Independent) is fake and being run by the CIA to stop Donald Trump.

Who wooda thunk that Jr has no chance of being POTUS.

https://theteapartydaily.com/a-former-cia-operative-is-running-rfk-jr-s-presidential-campaign-because-thats-totally-normal/
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October 26, 2023 3:40pm
surfing

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/133184202/blunt-force-trauma-caused-toddlers-death–police-say-violence-difficult-to-fathom

Police upgraded the death of Ruthless Empire into a murder probe, noting blunt force trauma injuries.

Who writes ‘fuk off’ on their windows? This poor kid had no chance and authorities had their eyes closed as usual.
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October 26, 2023 3:43pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  Anyone who names a child Ruthless-Empire Souljah Reign Rhind Shephard Wall should have that child taken into care immediately.
  
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  October 26, 2023 4:01pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    What I don’t understand is how this name could possibly have been acceptable to the Registrar of Births. Internal Affairs has the power, and occasionally uses it, to reject names like this.
    
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    October 26, 2023 4:54pm
    - Swifty
      
      I agree. That one clearly slipped through.
      
      It’s child abuse.
      
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      October 26, 2023 5:12pm
      - Scooter
        
        Don’t cha know it’s their culta bro, wanna be a gangsta from the US, with a cool name. It’s also called entitlement.
        
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        October 26, 2023 7:18pm
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      You would hope that would be the case. Anyone know what rules the Registrar of Births work under?
      
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      October 26, 2023 7:16pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  “Ruthless-Empire Souljah-Reign Rhind Shepherd Wall”.
  Even the name was child abuse, and you do have to wonder what chance the kid had.
  The whanau are all loving and full of praise for him in the media, which would be the same story if he died in a shoot out or a fleeing police event in 15 or 20 years time.
  Have to wonder where the loving whanau were before this, including at the time of choosing a name and every moment after that.
  I get a whiff of Kahui twins from this, with the loving whanau closing ranks…lovingly.
  
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  October 26, 2023 4:07pm
  - Scooter
    
    I read he was brought up by a relative someplace else then returned to the mother in June. Neighbour said he saw a woman beating one of their 4 dogs, he tried to intervene. Same old story, returned back to a f#@* up dysfunctional family.
    
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    October 26, 2023 7:24pm
- cmm
  
  When I first saw this sad case it immediately reminded me of the traditional way that the Zulus get rid of unwanted children (eg. twins): force a stone down the kids throat to stop breathing.
  
  Poor wee chap didn’t stand a chance.
  
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  October 26, 2023 4:08pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  SFNS. Silly First Name Syndrome. “Souljah”
  Really? Soldier? Poor kid did not deserve to be born into these shit families.
  
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  October 26, 2023 4:17pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I fail to understand why the MSM publish bull-shit sob story articles in the days prior to the nastier details becoming public.
  
  Who do they think they are serving?
  
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  October 26, 2023 4:42pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Neighbor said he’d called Kaianga Ora about 30 times….
    they never even bothred to turn up.
    
    Who do THEY think they are there to serve?
    
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    October 26, 2023 4:56pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Kaianga Ora is not the Police. Under the current Government they had no power to evict people. Their staff are simply not trained to deal with violence or impending violence.
      
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      October 26, 2023 6:20pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        The neighbor rekons he called the Police 15 times!
        
        What pisses my partner off is he has to work for families like this 🙁
        
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        October 26, 2023 6:27pm
- I remember when
  
  surfing:
  Any details as to how the family conference went when they realised, being such a close-knit family, there could to be danger for the child.
  
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  October 26, 2023 5:37pm
Maggie Pie

WOW!
TBH I had nooo idea just how easy it was to get a Damehood!!

Straight after Jan 1st 2024, I can be refered to as …..”Dame Maggie” 😀

https://sealandgov.org/en-au/collections/titles/products/becoming-a-knight?variant=44797545382185
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October 26, 2023 4:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I got one of those silly things from the University of Glenfield.
  I have a degree (with Honours) in Common Sense!
  Printed out and it hangs in our lounge just above the front door.
  
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  October 26, 2023 4:23pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Try getting the best table at ‘THE GROVE’ with that one.
    
    I’ll wait.
    
    LOL!!
    
    (….ask for Michael)
    
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    October 26, 2023 4:37pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  But will that have the same status as Kahurangi?
  
  https://wiki.kidzsearch.com/wiki/Cindy_Kiro
  
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  October 26, 2023 4:37pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Is she a New Zealander? Looks a bit Thai.
    
    Just saying.
    
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    October 26, 2023 4:46pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yeah, she’s a NZer… tho’ she says she’s been mistaken for : an Italian; A Latino and a Chinese.
      
      You studied epidemiology in Italy. And, looking at your photograph, I thought you can probably pass as an Italian wāhine as well.
      
      They did think I was a local mamma. And, when I was in Washington DC, people thought I was Latino. They thought I was Chinese when I was in China.
      https://e-tangata.co.nz/korero/dame-cindy-kiro-a-pohara-kotiro-from-the-wop-wops/
      
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      October 26, 2023 4:59pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        LOL!! I’m not the only one then 😀
        Although in hindsight, looks a bit overweight to be a Thai waitress.
        
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        October 26, 2023 5:13pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Posie Parker’s assailant is to stand trial

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300996811/protester-who-threw-tomato-juice-over-posie-parker-to-face-trial
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October 26, 2023 4:29pm
- Swifty
  
  Good job.
  
  She wanted the notoriety and clout from the assault but to be shielded from the consequences.
  
  I see the defence claiming precedent – that the Joyce assailant was not charged. Well, what a terrible precedent that was – that you can throw things at NZ politicians with impunity.
  
  If the person assaulted had been Ardern or some leftie luvvie you can be absolutely certain the entire Left would be baying for blood.
  
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  October 26, 2023 5:07pm
  - fernglas
    
    1) A police decision whether or not to charge does not set any sort of “precedent”.
    2) The defence of necessity is available when there is “a belief formed on reasonable grounds of imminent peril of death or serious injury”, so that one was bullshit
    3) The lawyer also apparently submitted that the defendant was charged “because she was trans”
    I have no problems with lawyers putting forward any reasonably and legally available defence on behalf of their clients, but if Stuff accurately reports what this lawyer said, it must come perilously close to conduct unbecoming a lawyer.
    I also observe that all these protesters and activists who believe they have a moral right to breach the law in support of their causes seem to have little compunction about grovelling to the law if they think it can help them evade responsibility.
    Those who choose to break the law as an act of civil disobedience have to accept the consequences or they simply undermine any moral justification for their acts.
    
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    October 26, 2023 5:27pm
  - rouppe
    
    Worse, they’re saying because Parker hasn’t said anything, there’s no reason to pursue charges
    
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    October 26, 2023 8:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Notice the POLICE! All over the place.
  In reality the Police let it happen before intervening. Hiding around the corner ffs.
  I am sure they were in cahoots with TV3 to manufacture “News”
  The question still remains, who was in control of holding the Police back?
  Come forward please Mr/Ms controller. Why do you hide??
  
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  October 26, 2023 5:18pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Keen-Minshull fled the event covered in juice and left the country that evening. She has since said she won’t return to Aotearoa.”
  
  Kellie Jay would not have a clue where “Aotearoa” is. On the contrary, she has vowed to return to New Zealand. Stupid media again.
  
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  October 26, 2023 6:38pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

One third? Why do these whimps let this happen?
Too many people not doing real productive jobs, BAAAA!

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/third-of-kiwis-say-they-ve-been-sexually-harassed-at-work-in-last-six-months/ar-AA1iQpj1?
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October 26, 2023 5:59pm
Maggie Pie

Chippy admits #7
———————

Chippy admits Tony can’t stand him hanging around with Shaneel.
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October 26, 2023 6:22pm
Gravelroad

On the Seven Sharp TV programme this evening, there was a story about human waste pollution on Auckland beaches and in the water.
Two men were shown taking water samples and talking about testing processes of same. It was quite a casual segment – no worries that human poo is polluting the beaches making some subject to signage about no swimming.
Where are the Green, Labour and Whanau parties on this? Not a peep out of them.
Contrast this with the hue and cry from them if this was one of “our waterways” in the rural sector. We would never hear the end of it – farmers being environmental vandals and farm animals terrible polluters.
The double standards and prejudice on show here are staggering – illustrated by some academic numpty from Otago University jumping to conclusions a few weeks ago and claiming that pollution in Queenstown was due to farm animals when that was not true – just an anti farming beat-up.
The Green Party, in particular, is a sham.
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October 26, 2023 7:30pm
rouppe

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/133182486/police-got-it-wrong-arresting-restore-passenger-rail-protester-for-breach-of-bail–judge

What a joke.
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October 26, 2023 8:12pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Sounds like the dudge would be better off working for Briscoes.
  
  Read it and weep….
  
  https://times-age.co.nz/districts/masterton-news/man-who-assaulted-ex-partner-avoids-jail/
  
  As my partner just said…. imagine being a Cop, prepared to put your life on the line every day, then seeing crims brought before some woke turkey like this.
  
  Roll on Nov3 and Mark Mitchell.
  
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  October 26, 2023 9:40pm
  - greybeard
    
    How many of these ridiculously light sentences are because the gangs have threatened the judges and/or their families ?
    
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