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Warren

While a lot of ordinary people fighting the high cost of living , with high prices in health, groceries, petrol and other everyday costs some can’t read this article from Simon Wilson because it is under paywall and many can’t afford the cost.
But Simon Wilson still asks the question of why Labour didn’t do more with the absolute majority they had in Parliament, well here is my view and answer, because they were corrupt out of their depth and lazy with the attitude of we know best and how to do it for New Zealander’s no ifs or buts we know best we are the Labour Party and fuck everyone else.
After Covid-19 they thought they were untouchable so Governed with the same attitude and arrogance that they used to con the country but forgot the cruel and vicious lies they used with their mandate.
Jacinda Ardern our Former Prime Minister jumped ship because she saw the writing on the wall , but Chris Hipkins the fill in Prime Minister continued the arrogance and lies to the end and rightfully suffered the rejection of the voter in a trouncing by the National and Act Parties on Election day.
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October 24, 2023 8:01am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They were also hamstrung by thd Māori caucus, snd right there could spell the end for Labour, if they are dictated too, snd still want to ply these policies, then they will never survive.
  
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  October 24, 2023 8:22am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    I guess this begs the question, what could Labour have done if the Maori Caucus didn’t represent such a challenge, and given how the Maori Party performed in the electorates, has Labour tried to appease the Maori Caucus to its overall detriment?
    
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    October 24, 2023 9:01am
    - OTGO
      
      I very seldom log in to comment these days but slightlyrighty you have hit the nail on the head with your comment.
      
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      October 24, 2023 10:05am
- Matt Long
  
  They didn’t do more to help because like Wilson they’re clueless neo Marxists in thrall to globalism, thank God they were hopeless at getting things done or New Zealand would be way worse off than it is now.
  
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  October 24, 2023 8:43am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Hear Hear, what that man said.
  The attitudes of Labour were appalling. Clark, McAnulty, Robertson, Jackson, Wood, Woods, Sepuloni, Verrall, Little, Parker, Anderson, Mahuta, Hipkins. Who else? Fuck it, all of them had their noses in the air, look at me, look at me.
  Ardern would have been the worst. Yip, yip, that’s what it is. She finally realised what she had done. Never tried to fix anything, just ran away like a coward.
  I hope NZ has learnt a lesson. Every time Labour comes into power they screw NZ over. EVERY time!
  The next wave of socialists have just started pre-school – to learn what?
  Marxism of course.
  Rant over.
  
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  October 24, 2023 9:10am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They refused to listen to the people
    
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    October 24, 2023 9:23am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Nope, They had nothing in common with the average NZ’er.
      They listened to themselves in a very narrow Echo Chamber believing they new better.
      
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      October 24, 2023 9:35am
      - Bobba Fret
        
        And they still do go on in their echo chamber over on the Standard website. Still can’t understand that the majority of people think NZ is now in a worse place than when Jacinda was first handed the power by Winston.
        
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        October 24, 2023 10:38am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      No, they only listened to people they already agreed with.
      
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      October 24, 2023 11:01am
    - Chris R
      
      No G. “The people” gave up trying to speak to the past government such was the arrogance of Ardern and co!
      
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      October 24, 2023 1:27pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    S.O
    
    Declare them a terrorist organisation.
    
    They have damaged this country and its people to a far greater extent than any actual terrorists .
    
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    October 24, 2023 9:28am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I did not think NZ would go back to Clark/Cullens Govt of 98 to 2009.
      Bet we did. I was wrong. How many of the current mob of Labour were in the Clark years of Labour? I don’t know the answer, but I can say there was a lot more socialist influence than Ardern alone.
      The crazy, destroying left will come again in 9, 12, 15 years. Yes they will be back.
      I keep saying – the future socialists/ marxists, communists are now just starting pre-school, and being taught by non other than the teachers of the same.
      Fuck!
      
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      October 24, 2023 3:59pm
  - Prince
    
    Stuart Nash was the most corrupt.
    In years to come, historians will wonder at how a minister sends details of cabinet discussions, who said what, how they voted, who to push harder to his donors, and managed to see out his term as an MP. Why did the media say ‘there is no suggestion of him doing this for personal gain, it is just careless, not corrupt’ ?
    Such an open and shut case of outright corruption and yet the country accepts it as ‘careless’ !
    Given that environment, it is no wonder the Cabinet was so inept.
    
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    October 24, 2023 9:51am
  - mogg
    
    I’ll bet my boots that she didn’t run away, I am quite sure that she was told to go because from Jacinda – mania to St Jacinda of Covid it was all a complete fraud.
    
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    October 24, 2023 11:27am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Nope, she ran. Labour would not kick her arse out without telling her to clean up her shit first. [Mod – no need for that comment]
      
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      October 24, 2023 4:05pm
      - henrybryn
        
        I do have an issue with the desciption you used to describe “fast”. Its antisemitic. The antisemitic wave has hit NZ
        
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        October 24, 2023 4:59pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        So Mod, she does walk away with no consequences?
        
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        October 24, 2023 6:40pm
  - Dougal23
    
    Ran away like a coward agreed. But I think Jacinda also realises what is still coming her way. Namely the payback for her draconian restrictions she imposed and the human rights she trampled on during covid. Same as the other “covid celebrities” who have also gone to ground. I think the worst is yet to come for them in the court of public opinion and also how history views them and their actions
    
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    October 24, 2023 11:41am
    - Michael Sommerville
      
      I think this is where Winston got a lot of his support this election. I hope we have a Royal Commission and I want to see Bloomfield on the stand to find out how deep he was in all this.
      
      I want to find out if the decisions were made by the Bureaucrats in Health NZ (Bloomfield, Verral et al) or was it all driven by Adern and her need to control the people.
      
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      October 24, 2023 2:58pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Blofeld got paid enough to keep his mouth shut forever.
        Verrall is just another stand up comedy of a Minister of Health. We had about 5 I think.
        
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        October 24, 2023 4:06pm
- rjay
  
  Basically Wilson says the mandarins were on a go slow and wouldn’t do as they were told and also Labour was so visionary they concentrated on the long term stuff and forgot to keep some short term goals going.
  
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  October 24, 2023 9:21am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Warren – the “surge” is coming in the special votes. Wait and see.
  
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  October 24, 2023 11:15am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yes bro!
    
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    October 24, 2023 4:10pm
- ecco
  
  That article by Wilson is hilarious. Thinks Andrew Little was part of a rock star Labour team, that Verrall was very competent and Ginny Anderson the best police minister for a long time.🤡🤡🤡
  
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  October 24, 2023 8:42pm
Kiwiguy

More gang entitlement…
I got caught up in the traffic jam from that accident just south of Taihape on Friday. One of the Labour Weekend accidents the media reported on.
I was heading north, and just a few minutes prior a large group of Hells Angels bikies came around a blind bend, taking up both sides of the road. I swerved, a few of them swerved, while I sat on my horn. No damage done, but what d1ckheads, riding like they owned the road.
Then a few minutes later I came across that accident referred to. Pretty gnarly, the motorbike was mangled, the helicopter came, along with all types of emergency services. We sat on the road for nearly an hour. Thankfully it was a nice sunny day in the scenic countryside.
As we slowly inched closer, I realised that it was another Hells Angels rider, part of another group heading south. I guarantee they were riding in the same manner as the previous group – like complete @rseholes.
Then the next day I read that he’d died.
I didn’t shed any tears.
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October 24, 2023 8:05am
- muzled
  
  Interesting.
  
  We drove home from Rotorua yesterday and there were groups of 3 Hells Angels bikes going past for some time.
  
  They were all very well behaved, to which I said to my partner – they must be transporting drugs so as not to attract attention. But that was the first mob of three, another three lots of three went past after that.
  
  But maybe they learnt that playing chicken with steel boxes driving the opposite direct at 100km wasn’t the smartest strategy.
  
  Also another m/bike smash at the start of the Mamaku’s in the cheesegrater barrier (yday). Some poor bugger on the deck with three cheesegraters missing and bike on the other side of the road.
  
  Told the kids to look the other way.
  
  What’s been seen, can’t be unseen.
  
  (don’t think it was a HA)
  
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  October 24, 2023 11:59am
  - Colville
    
    There was a huge gang run reggae festival in Pukekohe on Saturday….I would be that is where they had been.
    
    Ridiculous but true…the organisers ran out of booze around 4 pm! 🙂
    
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    October 24, 2023 4:05pm
Simon

Biden is the nominal head of Clown World. President of these United States. Senile, shits himself, can’t function more than 2 hrs per day, mistake after mistake. The head of a crime family. The man they installed as prez in a rigged election. Biden is Clown World and its Suez Canal crisis moment cant be too far away.
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October 24, 2023 8:06am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Iran backed militants fire missiles at US Navy Destroyer. Claim they were aiming for Israel.
  Time for Israel and the US to put on a full offensive against the animals.
  If Iran gets involved, so be it. The World has had enough of their shit.
  
  https://thepatriotchronicles.com/news-for-you/breaking-news-iran-backed-militants-fire-missiles-at-us-navy-destroyer-claims-they-were-aiming-for/?
  
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  October 24, 2023 9:22am
  - mrtinkyholloway
    
    Iran has always been “involved”. Iran provides funding and moral cover. The idea that they’re not is just evasion and a part of the ongoing problem.
    
    Part of a proper solution to Hamas and Hezbollah, is the the ending of the regime in Iran.
    
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    October 24, 2023 12:50pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You naughty boy.
      Ali Khamenei will be around for a quick chat shortly.
      
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      October 24, 2023 4:14pm
otago-man

In 1840 there was no NZ Govt., no Councils, no NZ tax-payers, no Universities, and no “principles” of the treaty.
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October 24, 2023 8:08am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  But Māori would walk around with ya head on a spike
  
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  October 24, 2023 8:39am
- Grumpy Silver Haired Female
  
  And no words for them in the language of people who had arrived a few hundred years before.
  
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  October 24, 2023 8:40am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  …and we was ‘appy.
  
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  October 24, 2023 8:57am
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    Five hundred of us to a room
    
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    October 24, 2023 9:31am
    - nathie
      
      A room? That’s luxury I tell you!
      
      We had to take turns sleeping in an old coal sack – no more than 5 minutes to allow everyone their fair share by gum!
      
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      October 24, 2023 10:07am
      - Cassandra
        
        Coal sack? Luxury. We didn’t have no coal sack – we used to sleep on the coal. Saving up for a cardboard box.
        
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        October 24, 2023 11:19am
      - Liberty
        
        A coal sack?
        Luxury I tell you !
        
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        October 24, 2023 11:21am
      - Jethrod
        
        What….sharing your gum too?
        
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        October 24, 2023 1:04pm
      - nathie
        
        Sometimes … like when little Charlie used to sneak into school and when no-one was looking remove them from the undersides of desks and bring them home for all … t’was luxury I tell you!
        
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        October 24, 2023 3:36pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Best ask Geoffrey Palmer about those ‘principles, and why he did it.
  They are word soup rubbish from 1989.
  
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  October 24, 2023 4:19pm
BarryB

Well the situation in Gaza has certainly taken Ukraine out of the limelight, but back to that shortly.

I don’t believe for a second that the Israeli security people didn’t know what Hamas was up to.
But if Israel had taken any action before Hamas did anything then they would be seen by the world media as being those “terrible Yiddish lot up to their killing of women and children again”. (Yiddish being a reference to the trouble that Jews of European origin have caused in the middle east).
I fully expect that Israel knew of the Hamas programme, and as trouble for Israel has often come on a religious holiday previously, then they would have been extra vigilant on this holiday.
I have no doubt that the Israeli government decided to let Hamas do their thing and then react to it. Yes there would be casualties (as there would be either way) but letting Hamas act first would give Israel the license they would need to flatten the Gaza, and provide sympathetic media coverage – something that has never been around much previously.
What I cant understand is why they haven’t filled the tunnels in Gaza with seawater.

Now back to – where was it — ah yes, Ukraine. Not much happening there. A few incursions by Ukrainian forces but no ‘Big Breakthrough” as Zelenskyy promised. He staked his reputation (and I suspect his life also) on the Big Breakthrough.
Worse though is that the western nations are running out of patience and now have other things to worry about – like the Middle East exploding (ie: like cruise missiles being launched out of Yemen directed at Israel – or maybe even at Egypt and blame the Israelis for sending them) and Taiwan. Now that much of the Wests arsenals are empty or getting close to it, it would be real nuisance if military activity got hot across the Taiwan straight.
Mind you things have been learned in Ukraine. Some of the weapons that everyone thought would be game changers have turned out to be damp squids. For example the Javelin has not been the glamour weapon it was going to be. It’s a tank killer but it relies on detecting a difference in heat – so an insulating blanket on top of the tank sees the javelin missile going ‘right on bye’. The Russian equivalent – the Lancet – is proving much better. It can be launched from a drone and seemingly can be used against all sorts of targets – be they hot or cold.
At this stage the weapons that are proving to be reliable and consistent are artillery, mines and drones. Mines deployed by artillery have proven very effective. Everything else seems to have limits, and some ‘wonder weapons’ have success rates as low as 3% – while on the practice range they get 90% kill rates.
And the famed Leopard tank – the one that can deliver you a beer on the end of its gun – is no more resistant to anti tank weapons than – well almost any other tank since WWII.
However the US military planners will be grateful for the field testing of their weapons by some other army and thus no American deaths.

If youve not seen it the beer delivery can be seen here:
https://www.google.com/search?q=leopard+tank+delivers+a+beer&rlz=1C1GEWG_enNZ970NZ970&oq=leopard+tank+delivers+a+beer&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCjEwNDQxajBqMTWoAgCwAgA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:2ceae031,vid:4vVKrVCJnIA,st:0
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October 24, 2023 8:12am
- Paulus
  
  Putin must be smiling as he has diverted the Ukraine problem to the Middle East.
  
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  October 24, 2023 8:30am
  - kowtow
    
    He’s not smiling.
    
    He’s slaughtering his conscripts and having huge losses to his armour trying to take a salient at Avdiivka .
    
    BarryB .And no the Israelis weren’t aware ,( by saying that you betray an ignorance of the Israeli mindset re causualties and show yourself to be a conspiracy theorist) they just fucked up by taking their eye off the ball, concentrating on the West Bank , for domestic political reasons ( 3 battalions moved there from gaza border ) , and Bibi underestimating Hamas ( and Iran) while playing them off the PA . They increased the number of Gazans coming in for work , for appeasement reasons and many of these were possibly spies .
    
    Ever heard of Pearl Harbor or the Channel Dash ?
    
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    October 24, 2023 9:19am
    - Master Mariner
      
      I prefer too take emotion aside and keep an open mind.
      I cant help thinking what the outcome would of been if Yitzak Rabin lived ?
      
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      October 24, 2023 9:42am
    - krazykiwi
      
      “by saying that you betray an ignorance of the Israeli mindset re causualties and show yourself to be a conspiracy theorist”
      
      You have certain assurance that no Israeli official had any awareness? And you think anyone expressing doubt on that is a ‘conspiracy theorist’. Really?
      
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      October 24, 2023 1:21pm
      - kowtow
        
        kk
        
        Come on , don’t be ridiculous.
        
        This guy is making a totally groundless assertion re some crazy conspiracy theory .
        
        It would just be too big and Netanyahu would never get away with it.
        
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        October 24, 2023 3:29pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        I don’t think I’m being ridiculous, and I am not specifically responding to BarryB’s comment.
        
        This isn’t a binary “good-guys vs bad-guys” conflict, and saying that in no way legitimises, minimises or accepts the disgusting barbarism we’ve seen from Hamas terrorists.
        
        We have 3d, or 4d or 5d chess being played here, and every participant wants to control the narrative so their interests can be advanced. I’m just not up for being manipulated like that.
        
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        October 24, 2023 4:30pm
      - Sarkozygroupie
        
        Isis-Hamas leadership came out themselves and said the Israelis didn’t know (I’ve read the Isis-Hamas account). There were only 5 in all of Isis-Hamas who knew of the planning that went on for two years prior to the terrorism.
        
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        October 25, 2023 12:12am
- Simon
  
  “I don’t believe for a second that the Israeli security people didn’t know what Hamas was up to.”
  
  Time will tell. Its not looking good for Israel. IDF had “Women can do anything” deployed forward and Hamas just rolled over them. Israel is afflicted with the same D.I.E crap as NZ.
  
  On the evidence to date Israel govt failed in its job to keep its citizens safe. Perhaps Israel will go on to win some glorious victory that puts new light on the border failure. Cant see it. IDF last victories are almost 50 yrs old.
  
  NZ is woke Clown World and had something like Cyclone Gabrielle hit people without warning. Israel is no different to NZ, a woke Post-west Clown World. The consequence are just different.
  
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  October 24, 2023 8:50am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Before 9/11, intelligence sources were aware of some chatter that something big was about to happen, but what seems to have occured is a failure of imagination that could even envisage suicidal militants flying airliners into structures.
  
  If you had said to the people of Israel that militants could cross the borders in numbers and kill hundreds if not thousands of civilians, they may well have had that same failure of imagination.
  
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  October 24, 2023 11:06am
- krazykiwi
  
  “I don’t believe for a second that the Israeli security people didn’t know what Hamas was up to.”
  
  I am inclined to agree. This ghastly situation has hallmarks of an Israeli black flag op that went horribly, and uncontrollably critical from the outset. One thing is for sure: Iran is happy to have strengthened its regional hegemony at the expense of Israel, US, and tragically from the deaths of 1000’s of innocents.
  
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  October 24, 2023 11:32am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    kk – now, now – don’t challenge the narrative otherwise you’ll be just another anti semite, anti vax conspiracy theorist.
    The official narrative from the Daily Mail is definitely right this time….//
    
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    October 24, 2023 1:08pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Lol. But true.
      
      There are so many binary thinkers around here: “this is right, therefore that must be wrong”.
      
      The same people think that Hamas is an independent, unified entity, and that the Israeli elements (IDF, Mossad, government, opposition, US funders etc) are similar unified and aligned in their actions.
      
      It delivers a down-tick dopamine hit I suppose 🙂
      
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      October 24, 2023 3:48pm
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    See my post above: the Isis-Hamas leadership admitted the attack was solely their doing.
    
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    October 25, 2023 12:14am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Hamas and Hezbollah are stationed near the U.S. southern border?
Under Biden this would not surprise me one bit.
The Biden Regime doesn’t want a secure border…
They want it to be like a high-speed conveyor belt importing Democrat voters.

https://www.rvmnews.com/2023/10/doocy-a-marine-issue-a-harrowing-warning-on-the-middle-east-our-border-videos/?
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October 24, 2023 8:15am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Iranian Operatives Inside The Biden Regime?

https://www.rvmnews.com/2023/10/massive-national-security-threat-iranian-operatives-inside-the-biden-regime-video/?
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October 24, 2023 8:16am
- miltonF
  
  Gotta get the US public onboard with another foreign war somehow…I know, let’s scare the crap out of them with misinformation…
  
  And the sheeple keep falling for it. Over and over and over again.
  
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  October 24, 2023 4:53pm
Tomtoddy

Its quite fun reading and smirking at all the MSM efforts to excuse Labour for their gross incompetence. Lots of letters to editors assuring us the Nat/ACT/NZF will be a disaster. Simon Wilson, unsurprisingly, can find a hundred ‘logical’ reasons why Labour didn’t deliver – all except the real ones. It is all so pathetic and petty.
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October 24, 2023 8:21am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  But it’s Nats fault house prices are on the rise
  
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  October 24, 2023 8:24am
  - MCōs
    
    I bought my house in 2014. At the time prices were rising at a very rapid rate. We went to some auctions and places were selling way above what everyone was expecting.
    
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    October 24, 2023 9:25am
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Annnnddd they were going up under the Clark/Cullen regime….. upward rises in NZ housing prices have been under way with small plateaus for 40 years…… And the RMA constraining land usage and therefore driving land drives up and up are the prime culprit.
      
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      October 24, 2023 9:32am
      - Paulus
        
        I have always made a good capital gains under the three latest Labour Governments – Lange, Clark and Ardern.
        Thanks Socialists!
        
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        October 24, 2023 11:01am
    - Ruahine
      
      MCos.
      That is because Twyford said that people with ‘chinky’ names were buying all the houses.
      
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      October 24, 2023 10:12am
      - MCōs
        
        That was 2015 when he said that
        
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        October 24, 2023 10:36am
      - Jack5
        
        Twyford was a twit, but he didn’t use the offensive racial slur “Chinky”.
        
        The word tends to crop up in blog posts by National hardliners.
        
        Some of this sort suck up to rich Chinese Communist immigrants, but in private despise them.
        
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        October 24, 2023 1:02pm
- Kiwiguy
  
  None so blind, as those who cannot see.
  
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  October 24, 2023 8:26am
  - Don Beckett
    
    ……as those who WILL not see.
    
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    October 24, 2023 9:23am
- Peter Lane
  
  The most delusional sentence was this:
  “As for Ginny Anderson, for seven eventful months she displayed the makings of the best minister of police we’ve had in a very long time”.
  
  I stopped reading after that…
  
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  October 24, 2023 8:39am
  - goNZ1
    
    Lucky you told us the article came from Mr Wilson or I would have assumed that comment was from Harry Tam
    
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    October 24, 2023 3:07pm
- Simon
  
  Denial of realty is core leftwing trait. They couldnt function without it.
  
  Its so bad for Eg woke Niwa can no longer function properly and say if its going to rain or not with any accuracy.
  
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  October 24, 2023 8:54am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Labour now: You can’t blame us, we didn’t do anything! 🙂
  
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  October 24, 2023 9:27am
  - hullkiwi
    
    So now we have 6 years o.f neglect, because we all know Labour most definitely did nothing for 6 years.
    
    To our sarccy Labour trolls, the refrain must now be 15 very long years of neglect. ////Sarc, with a massive bag of salt!
    
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    October 24, 2023 10:23am
Maggie Pie

JUST IN

‘I stand with both Israel and Palestine’

Statement from Barack Obama…..

https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1716524464643375138
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October 24, 2023 8:23am
- imalwaysright
  
  Its almost as if Obama is in his third term as President.
  
  It looks like he is gearing up for a fourth, Michelle will be the proxy for that one.
  
  And the one after that.
  
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  October 24, 2023 8:47am
  - Inandout
    
    ima, I don’t think Michelle has the correct equipment for an attempt at the Presidency. Then there is the jolly bad luck the Obamas have with their chefs.
    
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    October 24, 2023 9:20am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    No secret the Obama is the puppeteer. An yep, Mike could be a 2024 runner.
    Trump will win of course. The Democrats can not cheat much this time (can they?)
    
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    October 24, 2023 9:35am
  - NothingLeft
    
    More likely Gavin Newsome. Why else would the Californian Governor be visiting Israel.
    
    I’m amazed that with all the evidence of Biden’s corruption he still hasn’t stepped down or been indicted. US politics is near irredeemably broken when clear criminality of a politician is not prosecuted.
    
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    October 24, 2023 9:42am
  - Paulus
    
    Perhaps Obama is planning for another go at Socialist President.
    He has made a huge personal fortune after the earlier one.
    
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    October 24, 2023 11:04am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I thought there was a limitation on how many times someone could be US president? Not sure and too tired to look it up. Too much time on the weed eater today. 🙄
      
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      October 24, 2023 1:14pm
      - Ehlana
        
        There is. The 22nd Amendment to the Constitution: “No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice.”
        
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        October 24, 2023 2:25pm
- Ghost
  
  He is right Maggie. He says Israel have every right to go in. That we should encourage a strategy for Israel to incapacitate Hamas while minimising civilian casualties.
  
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  October 24, 2023 9:15am
  - Ehlana
    
    Understanding that martyrdom is a great honour among Hamas, my suggestion is that they declare a martyrdom zone in Gaza, evacuate the civilian population of that area, gather there, and use their remaining weapons to blow themselves up.
    
    They would achieve everlasting glory and the civilian populations on both sides of the border could rebuild their lives.
    
    Unfortunately for the IDF, I don’t believe Judaism offers them such a way out, so they will have to live with their failures of this month.
    
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    October 24, 2023 11:00am
Bridgenag

What is Adulteration of pseudo-mRNA vaccines, and why should you care?

The FDA’s job is to insure that drugs, vaccines, medical devices and foods are not adulterated. The remedy for adulteration is immediate recall and seizure if necessary.

..”As an aside, for those seeking dopamine hits by reading or listening to COVIDcrisis conspiracies, do you honestly think that a failed bounty hunter with a high-school level education, an elderly nurse with a PhD in economics, a chiropractor with no scientific training, a known cyberstalker with no relevant scientific background posing as an independent journalist, or a former pharmaceutical industry marketing specialist are reliable sources for detailed analysis of the composition, risks and mechanisms of action of the most complicated pharmaceuticals ever mass produced and delivered by injection into billions of human beings?”

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/what-is-adulteration-of-pseudo-mrna?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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October 24, 2023 8:23am
- Master Mariner
  
  “Have Covid Vaccines made the same Marketing Mistake as Oxycontin?”
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43OPbjnrS1A
  I’m more inclined too associate with Thalmeldihide ?
  Just hope it does not take as long as 50 years before realising ?
  
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  October 24, 2023 9:51am
  - muzled
    
    I kind of hope it does take 50 years, at least then I’ll be over 100…
    
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    October 24, 2023 12:11pm
- krazykiwi
  
  This adulteration, a term that has legal relevance in respect of drug approval, is the most significant to date. The presence of the SV40 promoter (a bit like a firestarter for cancers) is not something that can be batted away as accidental contamination, which would be bad enough on its own. Malone carefully leaves it for others to explain of the motive for this deliberate adulteration.
  
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  October 24, 2023 12:22pm
  - miltonF
    
    I hear there is also problems with remnants of ecoli bacteria being found in the vaccines. This may explain some of the less common side effects. This is really bad, but can at least be explained, as they used genetically engineered ecoli bacteria to mass produce the MRNA strings.
    
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    October 24, 2023 5:01pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      The small-run ‘Process 1’ lots – the ones given to the FDA for testing – did not use E.coli, but the ‘Process 2’ production for billions of injections did.
      
      On its own this is large scale fraud, even before the inexplicable use of SV40.
      
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      October 24, 2023 6:15pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Trust me…..I have a degree.

Misinformation is what you claim when you don’t have the intellectual capacity to mount a counter argument.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/penn-raine-flipping-the-narrative
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October 24, 2023 8:47am
Maggie Pie

Staggering numbers. Almost unbelievable?

Nearly $100 MILLION spent by Labor in the first five-months of this year for….

‘Administration & Provision of Covid-19 boosters’

https://twitter.com/MurfittTauranga/status/1716314221024293096
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October 24, 2023 8:58am
- JackRabbit
  
  Based on Labour’s pattern of ‘gilding the lily’, would even 25% of that have been spent on legitimate costs? How much was buying votes and loyalty by cushy, unnecessary, and overpaid jobs, backhanders and consultants? While the rest of the health system is in ruins.
  
  Not that any money spent on Covid vaccines is in any way legitimate in the first place.
  
  Wasn’t Hendy paid well over $1M to issue the statement “80,000 may die from Covid?”
  
  How much was spent on the Pike River Scam only to arrive at the same outcome as National years earlier. $69M was the last figure I saw.
  
  Any wonder Labour think unemployment has fallen, with all those fake jobs they created. How much were they paying disinformation project / social media spying? 2 x the normal intern rate? 3 x ? 4 x ?
  
  Without all that pocket pissing, disinformation and Covid scam over the last 6 years,, what would Labour’s election result have actually been? 20%, 15%?
  
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  October 24, 2023 9:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Someone got a shitload for programing us with “safe and effective.”
    
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    October 24, 2023 9:42am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Meanwhile in Florida, Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo is advising people under 65 to go nowhere near the crap and telling those over 65 to have a good chat with your doctor before doing it.
  
  https://abcnews.go.com/Health/desantis-administration-advises-covid-booster-people-65/story?id=103168939
  
  In NZ? Get your booster! 🤡
  
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  October 24, 2023 1:21pm
  - goNZ1
    
    ive had 4 jabs so far and am fine thank you, just a tiny prick,dont be scared!
    
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    October 24, 2023 3:11pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Sorry to hear that, I hadn’t heard of that side effect! If it keeps diminishing you may need to rename to goNeZ1.
      
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      October 24, 2023 7:44pm
  - tavita
    
    Same in Canada. Good friend of mine in Canada just got a booster. Has knocked him about badly I’m sad to say. How intelligent people can still be subjecting themselves to the ‘vaccine’ i don’t understand. I think in this case, he is an engineer and engineers have been taught to ‘trust the science’.
    
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    October 24, 2023 4:46pm
Swifty

I couldn’t give two rats about gender studies, or Maori or women’s studies to be frank – but the sciences? Food technology etc?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/massey-scientists-push-back-on-biased-numbers-behind-restructure/MLI3BLKSQJFBLBI4QJPYXWNYMQ/

A few measly million annually? When Labour lashed billions around the place?

Oh well. Labour had its priorities. They clearly thought more bureaucrats in the civil service were more important.
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October 24, 2023 9:07am
- NothingLeft
  
  STEM graduates are less likely to vote for the left, so those academic fields are unsupported by the left.
  
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  October 24, 2023 9:43am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  ‘more bureaucrats’ also kept the unemployment numbers down.
  
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  October 24, 2023 9:44am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It may be time to once again rationalise subjects being taught at our 7 Universities…. but to pull the plug on Geophysics at Victoria, Wellington is NUTS.
  
  The fact is that it is expensive to equip and run laboratories and field stations for Universities undertaking research into the natural/physical and applied sciences.
  
  Humanities, Business and Social Sciences are much easier subjects for universities to resource.
  
  But can NZ afford to neglect the applied sciences?
  But the fundamental problem is one that we’ve known about for a long time which is we let 17-year-olds in New Zealand really decide the strategic direction of our university sector because of our funding following students. So if a student decides to do ag and hort or plant then the university is funded to do that, but if the students don’t choose that, then the funding follows tertiary students into other areas. This is a fundamental problem.
  
  “It doesn’t work. It doesn’t provide a university system effectively delivering benefit to New Zealand,” he said.
  
  Hickford said he had been crunching numbers and last year there were more than twice as many students doing performing arts degrees as agriculture.
  
  Across four universities and all years of study there were 1720 agricultural students compared to 4730 doing performing arts degrees he said.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/country/500112/massey-university-cuts-the-wrong-direction-to-go-lincoln-university-professor#:
  
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  October 24, 2023 9:47am
  - Swifty
    
    I feel sick after reading that.
    
    I have a little dream that perhaps I’ll share here – that over the next generation or so we enable large numbers of young Maori, as well as others of course, to become some of our greatest scientists in all sorts of areas.
    
    For them to be at the forefront of brilliant environmental management and wealth-creating export-led food production and delivery etc etc.
    
    To achieve this I’d have no problems whatsoever incentivising these areas of study over others.
    
    I just weep at times at the waste of human potential our politicians and systems are responsible for.
    
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    October 24, 2023 10:39am
  - RalphT
    
    Oh Maggy, I thought you of all people would know; since 2000 there have been eight universities, not seven.
    
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    October 24, 2023 10:46am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Oh Dear…
      
      did I overlook Auckland ~~polytech~~ University of Technology?
      
      or
      
      does Lincoln Uni still exist?
      
      https://www.canterbury.ac.nz/news/2018/lincoln-and-canterbury-universities-sign-mou-.html
      
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      October 24, 2023 12:32pm
      - RalphT
        
        Nothing much came of the plan to fold Lincoln back into Canterbury and while some thought the Auckland Institute of Technology should never have been made a university, I suspect your confusion arises from your finding it had to accept Massey as a serious university.
        
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        October 24, 2023 12:58pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Hubby & I did our B.Sc. degrees at Massey Uni. (P.N.)
        
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        October 24, 2023 1:12pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    How about we just limit taxpayer funding for low benefit (to NZ) degrees. Limit entry same as medicine and law etc. Especially for woke stuff which is so bad for NZ (anything with ‘studies’ in it or that incorporates ‘critical’ (Marxist/conflict based interpretations) should go to zero. Increase funding for commercially useful things.
    
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    October 24, 2023 11:01am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘Remember my name. Fame!
    I’m gonna live forever
    I’m gonna learn how to fly–high!’
    
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    October 24, 2023 11:30am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Yes Maggy, the current funding model pretty much puts the students in charge of our universities. It’s one of Roger Douglas’s more horrendous creations.
    
    The (now 9) universities are expected to compete to enroll students, and a good chunk of their funding is proportional to the numbers of bums on seats. With a few perverse elements thrown in, like currently funding students enrolled in maatauranga Maaori at a higher rate than those enrolled in medicine or engineering (apparent we’re more in need of witchdoctors than of engineers or real doctors).
    
    The competitive dynamic inspired Massey to open a campus in a city that already had two other universities (and now has a third – UNITECH).
    
    The current model inevitably has boom-bust cycles that lead to layoffs and subsequent trouble coping with a later upswing in enrollments. But the general trend is negative, as universities’ running costs mount. Bad management decisions haven’t helped – Massey’s ill-fated adventure in Auckland, Otago and Waikato caving to activist demands for “decolonization”, Wellington and Otago wasting money on ill-conceived rebrands.
    
    We need to get back to a funding model focused on quality rather than quantity, with no tuition fees for for essential degrees like medicine, science and engineering; and strict academic entry requirements (currently they’ll take just about anyone with a student loan). But ACT’s free-market fundamentalism makes that kind of reform unlikely, the Nats show little interest in universities, and (as Te Pukenga shows us) any reform implemented by LINO would inevitably be about imposing even greater ideological uniformity, rather than creating more functional institutions.
    
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    October 24, 2023 3:14pm
    - Taieri
      
      and now has a third – UNITECH)
      ———–
      
      Still a polytech…
      
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      October 24, 2023 8:30pm
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        Ah, but UNITECH identifies as a university 🙂
        
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        October 25, 2023 6:31am
- nathie
  
  Apparently there appears to be a 25% decline in students studying NCEA STEM subjects at secondary school level contributing to a decline in University enrollments, according to Engineering NZ.
  
  So considering the amount of Govt funding going into education (primary and tertiary) what on earth is going on?
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/300988426/engineering-industry-calls-for-investment-to-solve-drop-off-in-skills
  
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  October 24, 2023 10:22am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Teaching the base subjects for Science, Mathematics, Technology, Engineering demands a teaching body that has a firm grasp on the basics of those subjects….
    
    Our teaching body is deficient in regards these basics.
    
    Our Primary and Secondary education system is full of females – females are less likely to be interested in STEM subjects (no disrespect Maggy but it is just true as many studies have shown regarding tendencies towards things or people)
    
    So we have a teaching body dominated by females who aren’t as interested in things, so people focused subjects are heavily favoured by the teaching body, in terms of their interest and passion, through primary and secondary stages – so subjects like: English, Social Studies, Art…..
    
    Is it any surprise we are not producing more candidates for STEM subjects at University and Polytech levels for our secondary school system??
    
    The place to look at the reason for the destruction of pupil achievement standards is, in my view, firmly inside the teaching establishment at both Primary and Secondary School level.
    
    To back up my view – we have reports in the media that a number of our current non tertiary teaching body is ANXIOUS teaching basic arithmetic and Mathematics. Source: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/12/some-primary-school-teachers-suffering-from-maths-anxiety-research.html
    
    If the base is eroded then the upper tiers will eventual fail.
    
    The Ministry of Education, its external advisors like the New Zealand Council for Educational Research and the Teachers Unions at Primary and Secondary level are the problem. They talk a big game but are polluted Leftist ideology which delivers nothing but unhappy, uneducated children at the average and lower levels of educational achievement distribution curve.
    
    Home School and Charter Schools are the solution as the establishment education system has failed.
    
    Actually the Education establishment have totally failed and needs disestablishing to be rebuilt from a clean foundation where leftist ideology plays no part in setting curriculum, teacher professional standards and where social studies areas are curtailed so warped left wing politics are absent.
    
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    October 24, 2023 11:07am
    - Diogenes
      
      When at high school in the late 1960s, I had a maths/science teacher who loved his subject. He was youngish — a little unusual given that post-WW2 older men appeared to predominate for a time. But the important thing is that he imparted his love for the subjects to his class. From memory, the majority of the 32 of us in the class had maths as their top or second top result in School Certificate, and the composition of the class was roughly 50/50 guys and girls. A case of: “Give me the teacher, and I’ll give you the pupil?”
      
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      October 24, 2023 11:55am
  - NothingLeft
    
    We’ve been through a period of low unemployment, with lots of bullshit but well-paid public sector ‘feelz’ McJobs that will hire any old gender studies grad to work on luxury woke agendas. People are mostly lazy so take the easy route and avoid more rigorous and demanding subjects like maths and sciences.
    
    And in NZ tech and manufacturing sector is slowly shrinking – less job opportunities and lower wages than other professions.
    
    If we want different outcomes the incentives to students have to change dramatically.
    
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    October 24, 2023 11:08am
  - nathie
    
    Oops … should be “primary and secondary” (not “tertiary”).
    
    As in, secondary schools in particular, appear to be well funded but are they directing their efforts into STEM? Are their teachers suitably qualified? Probably less so than ideal? If so that needs attention.
    
    Then as per Maggy’s RNZ article above, there seems to be a fundamental problem in the way tertiary education is funded. That also needs attention (looking at National/ACT/NZF).
    
    If the Education departments can’t figure out a way forward (maybe too many anti-colonial wokery revisionist staff in the way?), can the Govt look at overseas countries that are doing well with STEM and apply the lessons learnt to NZ Education?
    
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    October 24, 2023 11:08am
Master Mariner

Hymm, New World Order.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2023/10/20/remarks-by-president-biden-at-a-campaign-reception-3/

“So, I think we have an opportunity to do things, if we’re bold enough and have enough confidence in ourselves, to unite the world in ways that it never has been. We were in a post-war period for 50 years where it worked pretty damn well, but that’s sort of run out of steam. Sort of run out of steam. It needs a new — a new world order in a sense, like that was a world order.”

More like Scorched Earth.

Mean time Putin’s famous 2007 Munich speech,

“It is world in which there is one master, one sovereign. And at the end of the day this is pernicious not only for all those within this system, but also for the sovereign itself because it destroys itself from within.”

https://russialist.org/transcript-putin-speech-and-the-following-discussion-at-the-munich-conference-on-security-policy/

Mean while, Approx 20 days left in US Petroleum Strategic reserves,

What could go wrong with “Black Swan events” being the Norm.
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October 24, 2023 9:09am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  50 years post WW2 expired in 1995. That’s 28 years ago. Perhaps Joe is beached in the ‘90s.
  
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  October 24, 2023 7:35pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/renting/133075848/tenant-believes-he-should-get-his-bond-back-landlord-claims-he-didnt-tidy-his-room-argument-ends-in-a-brawl
There is something so familiar about this.
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October 24, 2023 9:10am
redeye

It’s quite possible South Africa could loose their only specialist hooker for the final because he racially slured a white guy.
I’ve seen many many claim that only minorities can be the victims of racism. World Rugby is about to set the precident.
Popcorn time.

Curry’s complaint to O’Keeffe, which has been widely reported on by media worldwide, occurred just before the half-hour mark of a willing contest with England leading 9-3. Curry approached the Kiwi official and can be clearly heard asking, “Sir, Sir, if their hooker calls me a white c***, what do I do?”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby-world-cup-2023/300994680/rugby-world-cup-world-rugby-confirms-they-are-probing-allegations-against-bongi-mbonambi
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October 24, 2023 9:27am
- JimBobJoe
  
  IF its true. Bongi needs an immediate ban. Ditto if someone racial slurs a non white player they should be dealt with harshly.
  
  Its not the 1980s when racial slurs flew back and forth frequently on rugby fields…..
  
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  October 24, 2023 9:38am
  - OTGO
    
    Ah the 80’s when sticks and stones etc actually meant something.
    I miss the 80’s.
    
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    October 24, 2023 10:14am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      When men were men, and the sheep were nervous.
      
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      October 24, 2023 11:45am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Agree. If we left offence harvesting to the morally spineless their actions would stand out a pathetic and weak. Joining in for the sake of ‘balance’ helps normalise it.
      
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      October 24, 2023 12:31pm
  - rouppe
    
    That’s the thing. Unless they can confidently corroborate the allegation they can’t do anything. Otherwise in the future there will be a bunch of Smollett allegations that has everyone chasing their tails.
    
    The likelihood of anything being determined before the final is next to zero.
    
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    October 24, 2023 10:53am
  - Don Beckett
    
    I sometimes wonder if we are getting a little too precious. It’s an indication of the Feminisation of our western society – the emasculation of men.
    
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    October 24, 2023 11:16am
    - goNZ1
      
      Charging a rugby player with assault and offensive language during play cant be too far away!
      
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      October 24, 2023 3:17pm
  - I remember when
    
    As Bongi said, “the sort of shit you have to say now if you want to really (or not really) hurt somebody.”
    
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    October 24, 2023 3:18pm
- H. Upmann
  
  Hookers are the master sledgers, buried away there amongst all the bodies. Sean Fitzpatrick made it an art-form.
  
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  October 24, 2023 10:53am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    See Fitzy pop his head up out of the scum with a blood nose.
    Wonder what he said?
    Someone also bit his ear!
    
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    October 24, 2023 11:47am
- Paulus
  
  This is Rugby World Cup final so he will be cleared to play – that real politics !
  
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  October 24, 2023 11:07am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Imagine the outrage if it had been the other way around and Curry had called him a “Black @#$%”.
  
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  October 24, 2023 11:30am
- Gravelroad
  
  Please folks – Have held my tongue for long enough so as to not cause offence, but-
  If you lose your best player, that’s a problem.
  If your rugby shorts are too loose, they will fall down.
  
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  October 24, 2023 11:51am
- mrtinkyholloway
  
  I’m sure O’Keeffe rushed to point out that it is impossible for a white man to be the target of racism. We’re not in the 1990s any more.
  
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  October 24, 2023 12:57pm
- mawm
  
  Precious Pommy whinging! Don’t get your hopes up too much.
  
  South Africans do mix up their languages within a sentence. The Afrikaans word for “side” is “kant” which is pronounced very similarly to c**t. Afrikaans is probably Bongi’s 3rd or 4th language, but probably when mixed with English is the team’s lingua franca. So wit/white kant would be used to indicate the ball has gone that way. He’s team’s side would be green/groen kant. Also a South African would generally use the term “doos” to call someone a “c**t”.
  
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  October 24, 2023 2:56pm
  - cmm
    
    Sounds like a bit of a stretch to me. It would depend on the rest of the sentence.
    
    I think if they were calling sides they would more likely to say “ons kant” (our side) vs “hulle kant” (their side) rather than calling colours.
    
    I would expect it would be likely they are using Afrikaans in the scrum as it is less likely to get confused with other players from other teams making calls.
    
    What is silly here is that if he calling him a fucking c-word (in any language) that would not be a problem. Somehow the black or white is the problem.
    
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    October 24, 2023 3:45pm
    - mawm
      
      During practice they use different colour jerseys and use the colour to identify a side – as in Green lineout, white scrum. That’s what we did when I still could play team sports – even in matches.
      
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      October 24, 2023 5:58pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Ironically, black or white is simply descriptive and, in context, undeniable.
      
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      October 24, 2023 7:39pm
Maggie Pie

THORT THIS WELL WORTH SHARING

It’s not often that I watch a movie twice….
but found this old b/w vid quite riveting.
What I didn’t know prior to this, was the true history of Palestine and how the Jews built it from nothing in the swamps & desert after the second world war.
Now the Arabs want it back 🙁

https://twitter.com/LifeIsACuldesac/status/1716260731237085232
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October 24, 2023 9:50am
- Lance
  
  Yes, initially the Turks were entusiastic that the Jews were returning to their historical homeland as it was nearly derilict and very run down in general.
  The Jews brought resources, knowledge and entusiasm to redeem the land.
  
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  October 24, 2023 11:31am
- Matt Long
  
  Coming to a country near you, you develop it, then we want it back.
  
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  October 24, 2023 12:11pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Mat, do you think they will grant us non-Maori a Tribunal the same as the ToW Tribunal so we can invent stories and get paid money for telling these stories?
    Nah, didn’t think so.
    
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    October 24, 2023 12:32pm
- virtualmark
  
  Jewish immigrants had started to build a modern country in Israel/Palestine long before the Second World War.
  
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  October 24, 2023 4:29pm
imalwaysright

The problem with the public believing events in Ukraine , Israel etc is the media .

The media have told so many lies that most of the public are skeptical of anything they say.

Unfortunately this also includes the truth.
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October 24, 2023 9:51am
Warren

Christopher Luxon speaks with the Media but the usual suspects that got their own way with former Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Acting Prime Minister Chris Hipkins are not having a bar of it as they but in and over talk Prime Minister elect Chris Luxon as they see their once powerful relationship with the New New Zealand Prime Minister slip away.
The Media Journalists Jessica Mutch McKay, Tova O’Brien, Jenna Lynch and many more think they have more rights than the Elected Prime Minister Chris Luxon and you will hear how their manner changes below.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christopher-luxon-speaks-about-working-with-media-and-coalition-talk/AZXWJMDNYFBRUGOPLNI6XCZMAA/
This is down right disrespectful from Senior Journalists and shows the amount of power they had over the previous Prime Minister’s .
I thought Christopher Luxon handle it well at this press conference and can see the media going all out to discredit him as Prime Minister.
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October 24, 2023 10:20am
- Swifty
  
  Wow.
  
  I’ve seen or heard very little of Luxon personally, that’s one of the first ever times I’ve actually seen him speak.
  
  I’m quite impressed.
  
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  October 24, 2023 11:03am
- Gravelroad
  
  Hahaha – the warrior women of the fourth estate flexing their muscles.
  They don’t matter. They are not leaders.
  Did any of these girl friends ever ask Ms Ardern any hard questions? no.
  Let’s hear what the new Prime Minister has to say.
  Am bored with the opinions of reporters seeking to embellish their profiles.
  
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  October 24, 2023 11:30am
  - wsk12345
    
    They sounded like a bunch of whiny little bitches to me. Got to say that I’ve had a series of incidents of late with so called professional women (2 lawyers and a doctor) where I’ve thought to myself how sick I am of dealing with petulent women. As a woman myself, frankly i find it embarrassing. Next time I need a prof sadly I’ll be looking for a bloke.
    
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    October 24, 2023 1:56pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Knickers in a knot! Hilarious! Bravo, Luxon!
    
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    October 24, 2023 3:22pm
    - sungsamning
      
      In an ideal world, he’d be polite. Then release a mini-budget that cancels all future PIJF spending, removes RNZs ‘news and current affairs’. Sell ‘One News’ to Sky. No TV ‘current affairs. And tell them all about it in a surprise DCM email.
      
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      October 24, 2023 7:12pm
- Philview
  
  Yes already seeing many media attacks on National. Strange to see the media attack National for overturning Labour policies that weren’t even properly implemented. Fair Pay awards are going say the media. After 6 years of talking about them Labour didn’t exactly make a lot of progress. Auckland light rail to be scrapped by National say the media. Benefits to be slashed by National say the media. National to cosy up to China say the media. And those attack lines are only since yesterday.
  
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  October 24, 2023 11:31am
- NZer In Exile
  
  A lot of secret Cheshire cat grins in that room. Methinks the likes of Tova have no idea what’s coming down the pipeline for the corrupt media. And she imagines she’s for “the people”??? Hahaha!!! Get real.
  
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  October 24, 2023 7:47pm
In Vino Veritas

Vale Bishan Bedi. Best left arm spinner I ever saw. A beautiful bowler.
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October 24, 2023 10:31am
- JimBobJoe
  
  Fearsome bowler on his own but also as part of spinning quartet for India. (Bedi, Chandrasekhar, Prasanna and Venkataraghavan)
  
  I recall a Test that the Indians opened with spinners and did everything inside the laws to get the shine off the ball asap so the spinners could grip and tweak the ball.
  
  When Eden Park pitch was a dust bowl in the 1976 it seemed like a home game for India! (Bedi not in that team though)
  
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  October 24, 2023 11:14am
- Gravelroad
  
  Speaking of spin bowlers, has anyone been watching the “Warnie” TV film this week?
  About the life and times of the late Shane Warne.
  Rather a weird format- and can’t think that his family would be very impressed.
  A waste of time watching it really.
  
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  October 24, 2023 11:15am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He was good though.
    Wickets get hit, the batsman turns and looks at them, looks at his bat, looks at the wickets again, shakes head, all the time thinking “how the fuck did he do that?”
    
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    October 24, 2023 11:54am
- alex Masterley
  
  I watched Bedi at Carisbrook (now a very long time ago). A master of his craft.
  
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  October 24, 2023 12:34pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Now why couldn’t the media report this fact prior to the elections?

The day a construction site worker gunned down two people in Auckland’s city centre police also responded to a dozen other callouts across the region that resulted in firearms charges.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/500872/concerns-on-amount-of-gun-violence-in-auckland-central
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October 24, 2023 10:34am
- hullkiwi
  
  Because in 2019, the then Labour led government solved the twin problems of illegal guns and gun crime! Or did they? Sarc////
  
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  October 24, 2023 12:58pm
- I remember when
  
  MW:
  The media were hot on the trail of a very promising ‘dinosaur’ belief story.
  
  So they had to ‘save it’ for later.
  
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  October 24, 2023 3:03pm
Surely Knott

Bizarre, misleading article, doxxing, and the lefts agenda.

Headline Newshub “Uni of Canterbury student arrested in halls after ammunition and weapons allegedly found in room.’

The spokesperson said officers found “ammunition and weapons” at the property, which were seized. ”

“He was charged with possession of an offensive weapon (other) and unlawfully carry/possess firearm/restricted weapon/explosives.”

“The student was known for having pro-gun views, including opposing law reforms made following the March 15 terror attack in Christchurch.
Changes included the ban on assault rifles and military style semi-automatics as well as….”

My first impression is this looks serious and like terrorism from a gun fanatic with extreme views, caching explosives and ammo, & assault rifles.

But at the bottom of the One News article (not newshub) they give evidence contrary to the gun extremist narrative they both promote. The Uni spokesperson says that Police arrived and reported “”No-one was harmed, and we understand from police there were NO guns found or involved.”

Wait, what? No guns. The whole thrust of the article was this guy was pro guns, ammo and weapons found, with repeated reference to his pro gun beliefs. But there were no guns.

So were there explosives as the article suggested?

I don’t know. I think they were actually just using the full title of offense 51 reads. “Unlawful carriage or possession in public place of firearm, airgun, pistol, ammunition, explosive, or restricted weapon” So the article reads like he has weapons, explosives, ammo AND firearms, but actually that is the full title of the offence, he may have only had one of those like ammunitions or some suggest a knife. But we know police have said in one article he had no guns. So the article gave the impression there were multiple restricted guns and explosives but no.

By alluding to explosives and now to the Christchurch massacre, and assault weapons (which we now know he didn’t have) my first read was the guy is a terrorist.

And then on social media the person was doxxed. Now mostly deleted. But it showed the person politically on the right who had supported gun rights through correct political process, and was involved in Gun competition and sport. He has ammo but no gun at home because he’s a sports shooter?!

Ammunition with no guns , in the home of a person who shoots competitively, and a submission on a bill to parliament is a completely different picture to the extremist article they wrote.

News in NZ is dire. We are easily mislead and left guessing about the facts.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/10/23/weapons-seized-as-student-reportedly-arrested-at-chch-uni-hall/

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/10/university-of-canterbury-student-arrested-in-halls-after-ammunition-and-weapons-found-in-room.html
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October 24, 2023 10:40am
- BeaB
  
  Liars, every day. No subject too big or too small.
  
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  October 24, 2023 12:14pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Midday News has just reported that the student had a pocketknife confiscated.
  
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  October 24, 2023 12:16pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Yet once upon a time, pretty much every boy over 10 probably carried a pocketknife.
    Anyone else remember having a Swiss Army knife, with its handy pick for horses’ shoes and screwdriver, as well as a couple of knives?
    
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    October 24, 2023 3:14pm
    - Keith White
      
      I am so old I remember carrying a Swiss Army knife on domestic and international flights…
      
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      October 24, 2023 5:36pm
      - lnz
        
        Yep same, did that International out of Auckland in 2000. Metal detector went off, I said “that’ll be my pocket knife”, security guy “no worries, that’s fine”.
        
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        October 24, 2023 7:46pm
- Phronesis
  
  “Police said a 20-year-old man was taken into custody and has been charged with possession of an offensive weapon – a pocketknife – and unlawful possession of restricted weapons – a baton.”
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/500887/police-seize-pocketknife-baton-from-canterbury-university-hall
  
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  October 24, 2023 1:06pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Phr,
    
    So why do police need special legislation to deal with gangs?
    
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    October 24, 2023 4:42pm
    - Keith White
      
      I’m assuming it all depends on the gangs’ melanin profile.
      
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      October 24, 2023 5:37pm
Blog-aholic

Herald article has uncle Ahmed from Algeria looking down the barrel of the death penalty. Does that not tell you to leave sleeping (political0 dogs lie?
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October 24, 2023 10:50am
Tomtoddy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQIL7bJ51mk
Don’t know who this girl is but she sures nails what is wrong in the world, not just USA.
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October 24, 2023 10:50am
- Don Beckett
  
  Incredible young woman – she is absolutely right on all she states. Can we have someone like her please.
  
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  October 24, 2023 11:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I tried to find who she is. No luck.
  Seems to be at some sort of conference in Indonesia in 2020.
  
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  October 24, 2023 12:10pm
Maggie Pie

“Can you believe what they’re doing with electric cars?
No one wants them!
We will drill baby drill”

– Donald Trump
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October 24, 2023 11:07am
oldpark

Wellington Green Party voters scammed .
Seems Potential Wellington Green voters door knocked and promised A Wealth Tax, Free Dental and So called Renters Rights in exchange for their vote .
What a bloody scam . Promises that would never be delivered .
Now the scammed have parted with their vote to a bunch of Carpet Baggers when in essence or factually they could have got much better representation if they had at least voted for Labour/National /ACT .
Talk about wasted votes . Serves them right .
Check out the model as copied from the Australian Green Party.
Same bunch of sickos in Australia support HAMAS the Terrorist gang of Murderers, Baby Rapists Elderly in Israel. Even the people of Palestine.Where Gay people get kicked off roofs Etc Etc.
As for the conned Voters will you do same Vote in Three Years Time When all you got or will get from Commie Greens is Promises, Promises, Promises.
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October 24, 2023 11:44am
Maggie Pie

People have said…. “pictures or it didn’t happen” 🙁

Israel will not let these actions of Hamas sadistic savages go without consequences.
They gouged a man’s eyes out.
Cut off his wife’s breasts.
Chopped off their daughter’s legs.

https://twitter.com/TreyYingst/status/1716491152247890035
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October 24, 2023 12:04pm
- Ghost
  
  Last week I saw news stories with pictures of bodies burnt in the cars. On telegram I was reading a journalists post and went up and saw a photo of decapitated child. I’ve stopped reading the news and telegram with anything to do with this, those images are enough to last many lifetimes.
  
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  October 24, 2023 12:12pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, and I saw a screaming young woman in New York being interviewed who claimed these Hamas outrages were ‘all Israeli lies’. The mind boggles at the sheer stupidity of these banshees until we learn how the US tutors in schools and universities have virtually brainwashed these kids to hate Israel. Hitler would be proud.
  
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  October 24, 2023 1:12pm
- Cassandra
  
  The “people” you refer to include some frequent commentators (abusers) on this blog.
  
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  October 24, 2023 3:21pm
- Keith White
  
  That is so awful. Hamas needs to be eradicated.
  
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  October 24, 2023 5:38pm
BeaB

How can anyone with a shred of decency march in support of these hideously evil people?

Israel earned their place in the world and have worked hard to live amicably with their neighbours.
But the hatred (and jealousy) is too deep-seated.

The Left have lost the argument on tolerance, diversity, acceptance, inclusion and kindness. The ‘woke’ have lost. The day they supported Hamas is the day they showed us irrevocably that it is all bollocks.
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October 24, 2023 12:12pm
info@cruzpro.com

Our two six year-old twins reading skills are amazing. They really enjoy reading out loud and use phonics to sound out unfamiliar words.

I decided to test their math skills. They were able to add single digits but that was their limit so I made a game out of adding sets of four digit numbers including carrying the 1 when the sum of two digits exceeded 9.

They loved it, clammering to take turns and checking their answers with a calculator.

Hopefully their teachers don’t get upset with me for teaching them the old fashioned way.
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October 24, 2023 12:47pm
- Nickc2
  
  Don’t be surprised if the teacher also asks you for some lessons.
  Having been introduced to a few modern-day teachers, they’re as thick as Piggy’s poop.
  
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  October 24, 2023 1:01pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Try and keep them away from Common Core.
  
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  October 24, 2023 1:20pm
- wsk12345
  
  They will tell you that you are pushing them too hard, it’s not good for them etc etc.
  
  Ironic isn’t it. I was reading when I started school because I loved it. Like your kids I suspect.
  
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  October 24, 2023 2:05pm
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    Meant to say grandkids. At 76 years of age I’m a bit old to have 6 year old twins 🙂
    
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    October 24, 2023 4:52pm
- Ian Boag
  
  including carrying the 1 when the sum of two digits exceeded 9.
  
  I did a bit of primary school math mentoring. To be fair about “carry 1” there was an effort to get the kids to understand what it means rather than just trot out the algorithm. Had a bit more significance in subtraction ….
  
  Long multiplication is sort of OK, but long division is a bit of a nightmare.
  
  Arguably – given that everyone nas a phone and the phone has a calculator ….
  
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  October 24, 2023 3:00pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Unfortunately, the machine is only as good as it’s operator. If you don’t understand the basics, you have less chance of recognising an answer “that can’t be right” when you do the human thing and input garbage.
    
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    October 24, 2023 3:20pm
    - graham
      
      Yep. I taught my children to do a *rough* calculation in their heads or on paper, so that when they tapped the calculation in to the calculator they could tell if they had entered the numbers correctly (Your rough calculation says these figures should add up to about 536, and the calculator says it’s 542? Probably the right answer.), or made an error somewhere (You’re expecting about 536, and the calculator says 9542? Might pay to check that again.)
      
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      October 24, 2023 3:40pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      In my mentoring time I found a significant problem was teaching logic rather than algorithms. If you tell a kid you just bought 3 litres of petrol for $6, they will usually be able to tell you that means $2 per litre. Ask them how they got that and you get a blank stare. Ask how much is a litre when 3.75 litres cost $8.25 and you can get another blank stare.
      
      The key of course is to recognise that this is a division problem. Seems obvious really, but …. Dividing 8.25 by 3.75 by hand is a mindlessly boring time-consuming activity. Doing it on a calculator is trivial.
      
      I take the point about “rough answers”. In my younger days one used a slide rule which – for a long calculation – gave the significant figures OK but offered no cluse where the decimal point lived.
      
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      October 24, 2023 5:15pm
- jonno1
  
  This is a core skill in engineering (and building and science generally): do a quick mental calculation before relying on the formal result. If unsure, revert to first principles. However, although a technician or a builder may know with a high degree of certainty (for example) what size a steel beam should be in a common situation, that will be based on experience. They may become unstuck in abnormal circumstances.
  
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  October 24, 2023 5:41pm
Maggie Pie

YIKES!!

Unverifed reports that the USS Warship ‘Carney’ has been fired upon in the Red Sea
with cruise missiles from Yemen.

This could mean real escalation if verified 🙁
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October 24, 2023 12:54pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, what an apt name for a nautical vessel packed with males.
  
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  October 24, 2023 1:06pm
- kevn
  
  Maggie… biden will take care of it.
  
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  October 24, 2023 1:16pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes, people can rest easy kev…..
    
    https://twitter.com/imperialpresh/status/1716596009390739729
    
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    October 24, 2023 1:25pm
    - kevn
      
      I missed the //
      This is no joke. biden is controlled vegetable.
      
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      October 24, 2023 2:13pm
- Ghost
  
  I don’t think many realise how quickly this will escalate
  
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  October 24, 2023 1:41pm
cmm

Can anyone explain to me why a major investigation into the Labour performance was defered until after the election?

Just a coincidence, right?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christchurch-terror-attack-crucial-coronial-inquiry-about-accountability-for-actions-or-inactions/ZEABJUQGUVD7LG5XY7NGOSZ7EQ/

It isn’t that obvious to me that there is anything useful to be learned through this emotional rehashing, but no doubt the usual parties are going to use this to milk white guilt as much as possible.

Could something have been done to prevent this? Well, what?

In theory 50 people could easily take down a gunman with no more than a handful of casualties, but saying and doing that is easier said than done.

I suspect that the only concrete outcome of this are going to be more handouts.
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October 24, 2023 1:17pm
- MCōs
  
  This explanation of the coronial inquiry might be of use to you.
  If you don’t trust the Spinoff there’s plenty of information on the internet
  https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/24-10-2023/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-march-15-coronial-inquest?utm_source=spinoff-share-button&utm_medium=spinoff-app
  
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  October 24, 2023 3:26pm
  - cmm
    
    Nope, sorry, it doesn’t explain why the inquiry was delayed until after the election.
    
    Surely the most transparent government ever would have had this a month or two before the election?
    
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    October 24, 2023 3:51pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Labour’s dog ate it’s homework, example #4637, chronic underperformers like Labour tend to spend more effort on hiding their fuckups than they do on useful work.
  
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  October 24, 2023 5:45pm
Ghost

Police look like they know who killed Samantha Woll and have stated it was not a hate crime

‘ We believe the motivation is very different than a hate crime,’ chief James E. White told reporters during a press conference on Monday. ‘We believe that there are no other groups or anyone else at risk in regard to this particular incident. We believe this incident was not motivated by anti-Semitism and this suspect acted alone.’

But chief White said their investigation has led them on a different path, and they are looking into several persons of interest.

White added that while police do not yet have a suspect, they are confident they are getting close to identifying someone. He would not reveal whether Woll returned home from the wedding alone but said there were no signs of forced entry at the home.

‘We have a number of people that give us interest. We’re just short of calling one of the people a suspect. But we are working to that end,’ he said. ‘And we will be there, but it just takes time, and, again, I’m asking for patience as we work through every aspect of what we’re doing.’

Article
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October 24, 2023 1:21pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Gosh, I’m relieved it wasn’t “hate” that motivated the murderer. Just garden variety anger, entitlement and disregard for the life of another human being hey? That’s a relief! /
  
  Bet these people can’t even define a “hate crime”.
  
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  October 24, 2023 8:01pm
Ra Henare

I get the feeling that this blog has been invaded by 20 people who have a sad life and nomates.

After 20 years I now fire up General Debate and use Control F to read comments from benedict – Interesting
and Maggie Pie – Refreshing.

It seems that the days of reasoned debate is over and the 20 nomates just want to attack those witha different view of the world.

Flak jack on, insult barrier up
Have a nice day.

Oh, I am currently in Bali on holiday so not glued to any screens. Just waiting for breakfast.
Thort I would see if the the 20 nomates had taken a holiday…Nah
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October 24, 2023 2:02pm
I remember when

“Conspiracy theories.”

Perhaps now would be a good time for the ‘experts’ to identify which theories they were.
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October 24, 2023 2:35pm
Maggie Pie

Police reporting yet another ‘sudden-death’ in the Wild West.
This time in a Countdown carpark 🙁

Yet another reason to shop at Eastern suburbs NW.

Just saying.
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October 24, 2023 2:38pm
- Surely Knott
  
  I don’t know. Armed offenders at judges bay Parnell just 2 days ago. What’s happening over there in the s/wanky suburbs.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-responding-to-incident-in-parnell-auckland/BN7EL55EIZCJVIM5IWFCQGMCOI/
  
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  October 24, 2023 4:01pm
Captain Mainwaring

Interesting that daily comments on this blog are down to barely half what they were before the election.
Clearly a lot of pent-up frustration has been released.
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October 24, 2023 3:57pm
- greybeard
  
  That is because all of those recent new “contributors”, the lefties, no longer have a reason or desire to participate.
  
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  October 24, 2023 4:08pm
greybeard

Just after 4pm and I tuned in as usual to HDPA’s program.
Found out that she was not on today but had been replaced by Jack Tame.
As I turned-off the radio I could swear I heard tens of thousands of other people all over NZ doing the same thing.
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October 24, 2023 4:15pm
- Ghost
  
  You missed out then, they were talking about a bid for leadership by David Parker
  
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  October 24, 2023 4:45pm
  - greybeard
    
    Leadership of what ?
    
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    October 24, 2023 4:48pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Exactly! Can you imagine it?
      Born without a funny-bone. He’s drier than a Communion wafer.
      
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      October 24, 2023 5:12pm
  - kowtow
    
    Didn’t miss a damn thing.
    heard that prick Tame , off goes the wireless.
    
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    October 24, 2023 6:47pm
  - Aquarius
    
    No loss then
    Tame should change his surname to Lame
    
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    October 24, 2023 7:12pm
Maggie Pie

Just out prepping dinner and heard that lawyer Deba Manning on ZB advocating for the return of arrested Algerian terrorist Achmed Zowie back to New Zealand.

What’s he ever done for this country?

Last I heard he’d been operating a Food Truck selling Kebabs in Palmy.
Hardly someone who would qualify under the Entreprunerial resident catagory is he?

Asking for a friend.
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October 24, 2023 4:43pm
- greybeard
  
  Note that all the reports refer to him as “a NZ citizen”.
  No mention of his dual citizenship. That would not fit the narrative of a “New Zealander” being tragically detained etc.
  
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  October 24, 2023 4:46pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/133171527/whnau-pay-tribute-to-toddler-taken-from-them-days-before-his-birthday
When I read things like this I feel a great rage inside me.
By God some people deserve the noose.
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October 24, 2023 5:11pm
- surfing
  
  Makes my blood boil too. If only hell really does exist!
  
  This is a story that repeats itself far too often.
  
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  October 24, 2023 5:46pm
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    Hell: Trillions upon trillions of years of excruciating pain, with no end.
    
    Explain to me how that makes sense.
    
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    October 24, 2023 7:43pm
- Keith White
  
  When I read the little one’s name – “Ruthless-Empire” – I knew he never had a chance at a normal life. RIP little fellow. I hope the afterlife loves you better than this life did.
  
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  October 24, 2023 5:46pm
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    I’m surprised the ridiculous name didn’t fall foul of BDM naming rules.
    
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    October 24, 2023 8:01pm
- Keith White
  
  Why would anyone downtick greybeard’s comment? Is it because they’d insist on the guillotine instead? /sarc.
  
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  October 24, 2023 6:13pm
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/lower-hutt-baby-who-died-in-unexplained-circumstances-was-the-soul-of-his-family-uncle/UY3FPZ3U6VF67ADLRY5ZNOH2ZI/

Regardless of the circumstances of this tragedy, the parents should have been held to account for naming their baby “Ruthless Empire”.

Poorly named children should trigger an investigation into the parent’s worthiness to raise a child.
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October 24, 2023 5:42pm
- Keith White
  
  Investigation plus vasectomy and tube-tying if they ever want any taxpayer-funded benefits.
  
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  October 24, 2023 6:14pm
- Swifty
  
  What a mindset – to inflict that on a child and for the rest of his life.
  
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  October 24, 2023 7:43pm
Maggie Pie

Chippy admits he’d like Tony to be as cut as Amanda.
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October 24, 2023 6:54pm
Swifty

I believe this gentleman has terminological inexactitude:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/flat-bush-homicide-hells-angels-member-andrew-lamositele-brown-accused-of-petau-petaus-murder-testifies/Z44XIO452FDXHHAXYDEXDVM5FQ/
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