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Vinicius

New Curia poll from Waiariki

This seat was very close in 2020 with the Te Pāti Māori co-leader Rawiri Waititi winning by only 836 votes. Waititi in this poll is well ahead of Labour’s Toni Boynton. This is a huge swing in the electorate vote away from Labour.

Waititi (Te Pāti Māori)- 50%
Boynton (Labour) – 28%

Re the party vote. In 2020 Labour got 59% of the vote. In this poll they’re on 37%.

Margin of error is 4.4%

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/election-2023/499773/rawiri-waititi-on-track-to-hold-waiariki-poll.
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October 10, 2023 8:01am
- graham
  
  Not sure whether to laugh or cry. Good news that Labour look like being well and truly trounced, but on the other hand … Rawiri Waititi. *Shudder*. A deeply unpleasant man in my opinion.
  
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  October 10, 2023 9:56am
  - Keith White
    
    You’re not wrong, but having Scribbleface McStetson in the limelight is a functional visible warning of what may happen if we ever relax.
    
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    October 10, 2023 12:35pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Oh boy. “McStetson” Brilliant.
      
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      October 10, 2023 2:18pm
    - Vinicius
      
      Had a quick look at Te Pāti Māori website and their policies. They’ve got even more screwy and divisive ideas than I thought.
      
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      October 10, 2023 2:51pm
- Cassandra
  
  https://nopunchespulled.com/2023/10/10/the-election-4/
  
  Sound advice from Bob Jones. Labour will move left, as Will National, as the centre migrates. As Will many young New Zealanders unfortunately.
  
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  October 10, 2023 9:56am
  - krazykiwi
    
    “Labour will move left, as Will National”
    
    I like Sir Bob … but he’s no Nostradamus: Labour and National have been moving steadily left for almost 40 years.
    
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    October 10, 2023 10:49am
    - peterwn
      
      Even ACT has to move left as David Seymour is learning the hard way.
      
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      October 10, 2023 1:05pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        The only ones who ‘have to move left’ left are those that will sacrifice principles in order to secure a little private power.
        
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        October 10, 2023 1:57pm
  - GJM
    
    A lot of kiwis are moving left – on the map. All the way to the West Island.
    
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    October 10, 2023 1:06pm
  - peterwn
    
    About the other things in Bob’s article – Chris L, Nicola, Bish etc know the show is not over until the fat lady has sung. Rob Muldoon and co took the same stance in the run-up to the 1975 election.
    
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    October 10, 2023 1:10pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    Young NZers don’t move left, they are taught to be Leftists at the indoctrination centres previously known as public schools.
    
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    October 10, 2023 1:17pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    Gotta love Jones’ stark directness:
    
    “…give ACT your party votes otherwise migrate.”
    
    He’s not joking.
    
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    October 10, 2023 1:20pm
- Beach Haven expat
  
  Luckily Rawiri doesn’t believe in democracy or the tyranny of the majority so he won’t be able to claim the seat. That’s how it works, doesn’t it?
  
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  October 10, 2023 10:07am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You are racist – or something.
    
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    October 10, 2023 2:28pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  The voters of Waiariki must really like their racists.
  
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  October 10, 2023 10:59am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Who said that?? You are racist!
    
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    October 10, 2023 3:04pm
    - blue collar
      
      😅 you crack me up steveo !
      
      Just like confuscius sayeeeeeee …..
      woman who fly plane upside down , bound to have crack up ; )
      
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      October 10, 2023 4:49pm
Warren

You only have to look at the one eyed media to see that the ones that created Jacinda mania are the same Journalists at the front of Prime Minister Chris Hipkins push for power.
Jessica Mutch McKay, Jenna Lynch, Clare Trevett Audrey Young, Tova O’Brien, Andrea Vance with the help of others in the media have and are trying to convince the voter that the only person with the expertise to save our economy and fix the division between Pakeha and Maori is Chris Hipkins.
Whether people like it or not the only way to stop this stupidity is to Party vote National or Act to put our Country back on the route to prosperity.
A vote for Labour and their Partners is a a vote for lies, inunendo, wasteful spending and corruption.
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October 10, 2023 8:01am
- Tricati
  
  Correct – And those identified know that if National/ACT do get to form a government, then their cushy number is at significant risk, so are pushing the anti National/ACT to the limit.
  Also, if National/ACT do form the government, and the economic shambles left behind by Labour, its going to be hard for the MSM Labour cheerleaders to criticize National/ACT, as a simple retort will be; ‘why didn’t you challenge Labour when it was happening’.
  
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  October 10, 2023 10:05am
- Paulus
  
  It doe not really matter because if Luxon becomes Prime Minister next week these lady media wonnerfuls will start full blast against Luxon and the new Government with the next three years under innuendo and slander by them.
  For a country like New Zealand they are a sad disgrace (very highly aid too).
  
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  October 10, 2023 11:06am
  - Dougal10
    
    Well they will start, then the advertising dollars will disappear so will their jobs.
    
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    October 10, 2023 1:00pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Maybe they should go to OZ and take their nasty shit with them?
      
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      October 10, 2023 3:29pm
Simon Ford

Israel/Palestine: An Honest Conversation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjOgKHw6HY4
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October 10, 2023 8:02am
- Random T Person
  
  I see the United Kingdom is in the process of learning the limitations of multiculturalism.
  
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  October 10, 2023 9:32am
Chuck Bird

I went to see River of Freedom last night. I would recommend viewing it. Luxon does not come out looking good. He supported Mallard’s actions and he appeared not to give a fuck about people who died from the vaccine.
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October 10, 2023 8:04am
- Nukuleka
  
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  Who on earth are these mythical ‘people who died for the vaccine’?
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:07am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Look it up. It can be found at the same source as the mythical Medsafe approval for safe and effective along with their vaccine mandates are warranted recommendations.
    
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    October 10, 2023 8:09am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/news-items/fourth-death-possibly-linked-covid-19-vaccine
    
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    October 10, 2023 8:10am
    - Nukuleka
      
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      Oh… do you mean ‘died FROM the vaccine’? Rather different semantically from ‘died FOR the vaccine’.
      
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      October 10, 2023 8:20am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Chuck Bird said “from”.
        
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        October 10, 2023 8:25am
      - Biscuit
        
        So poor Chuck cops flak because you can’t read?
        
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        October 10, 2023 9:19am
      - krazykiwi
        
        I rather suspect Chuck’s post was edited to fix a ‘for’ to a ‘from’ and Nukuleka’s comment addressed the original wording.
        
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        October 10, 2023 10:10am
  - krazykiwi
    
    These people are not mythical. They’re dead. And anyone still trying to claim that these ‘vaccines’ are safe and effective is either a big pharma shill, or they’ve been living under a rock.
    
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    October 10, 2023 8:15am
    - MCōs
      
      I read a 2020 novel by Scott Turow in which a chap won a Nobel prize for inventing a miraculous cure for cancer.
      Unfortunately he didn’t disclose that a small number of people had died during the trials and he was arrested and put on trial.
      The drug was withdrawn from the market.
      The conundrum was on the one hand the drug was still a miracle cure and had saved many thousands of lives, but on the other it also had the potential to kill a very small number of people.
      If you had a life threatening cancer, would you take the drug?
      Kind of a rhetorical question really.
      In that particular case the odds are easily measurable.
      For every 1000 saved one must die, or whatever.
      With a covid-19 vaccine or any other vaccine it’s not that simple in real life.
      
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      October 10, 2023 9:20am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        MCōs – the difference is having the choice to take it or not. A dying person will generally cling to anything in the hope that it will save them.
        
        This experimental shit was mandated and/or coerced on the whole population. Even young people at zero risk of covid. Important information about the risks to those young people and to others was deliberately suppressed. Ask Rory Nairn’s family what they think about the jab.
        
        Meanwhile, 11,000 MoH staff were granted exemptions while people at genuine risk from the jabs and even those who suffered severe injury after the first jab were point blank denied exemption.
        And excess deaths continue to happen every week in NZ and nobody in mainstream media or government wants to talk about it.
        
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        October 10, 2023 9:28am
      - MCōs
        
        When you say young people are at zero risk of covid, what do you mean?
        My three grandchildren all caught the disease at school/preschool and passed it around the family.
        Including their grandparents . . .
        
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        October 10, 2023 10:02am
      - JackRabbit
        
        With a covid-19 vaccine or any other vaccine it’s not that simple in real life.
        
        Yes it is. The vaccine saved zero people, and excess deaths since the rollout of the vaccine are at 10,000. The NZ death toll “from Covid” is a next to zero, because Covid-19 is a strain of the flu, albeit tweaked in a laboratory.
        
        There are no mortality figures by all causes on figure.nz, for any year past 2019 and our worldindata.org lists no flu stats for 2019, 2020, 2021. If you know how many people died and how many died from car accidents, heart attacks, all the other 50+ causes, and yes, Covid, knowing how many died of the flu is simple subtraction giving a remainder.
        
        Figure.nz used to have stats by year for death by casues, and those specifics have disappeared. Figure.nz used to a private website, but was taken over by the govt.
        
        The Covid-19 update page list deaths “attributed to Covid” which is somewhere between 3000 and 4000.
        
        “Attributed” is not “died of”, or “caused by”. It is a weasel word.
        
        Annual flu deaths over the same time period would normally be between 2000 and 3500 on bad flu years. All respiratory diseases over the same time period would be well north of 11,500 or more on bad flu years.
        
        Without specific traceable stats given by a govt that has a penchant for telling porkies, it has no validity.
        
        On top of that, when the dust settled, the IFR rate has been no worse than that of a flu. And most countries dropped their initial Covid death tolls by 90-95%, including the Covid “poster child” Italy, and the CDC, because “testing positive” for Covid when you died of something else was not a Covid death.
        
        And on top off all that, Pfizer;s own data and contracts, all now in the public domain attest to the fact that it did not, it was just based on hope, and side effects weer known from the outset, including by this govt, who disregarded the advise from their own advisors and initial advise from Medsafe.
        
        Most people know about Dunedin plumber Rory Nairn who died from myocarditis. What most people don’t know is the hundreds of other people that died in a similar manner. Or the thousands of excess deaths since Feb 2021. Or the tens of thousands of vaccine injuries.
        
        Why on earth do you think Hipkins wets his pants at the thought of NZ First being part of the Government? Because Winston and his talented crew, will not stop until an independent inquiry into Covid and the vaccines is held.
        
        Why do you think many of the Labour drongos have either left, or gone list only? So they can “lose” and be evicted and shuffle off out of sight on the hope that they will no longer be accountable.
        
        That this is not being discussed openly and that you are still in a conundrum with your question, shows the extent to which the govt manipulated the media.
        
        All this from a govt that was “the single source of trooth”.
        
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        October 10, 2023 10:08am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        MCōs – at zero risk of serious adverse effect or death.
        
        Also, the jab would make no difference to whether they get covid or not.
        Actually, the jab makes you more prone to catching covid.
        
        The main thing is, there is a substantial risk of being injured or killed by this jab. Certainly when compared to traditional vaccines which have extremely low risk.
        
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        October 10, 2023 10:09am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        MCōs – as for them passing it on to their grandparents, if the granparents were concerned about catching covid then they should avoid going out in public or having contact with people (like schoolkids) who can be vectors for many diseases.
        
        Or are you like so many others who would happily put the youngest at risk in some vain attempt to protect the oldest, especially with a jab that prevents neither infection or transmission?
        
        There was nothing logical about what happened during covid. Not one single aspect of it except possibly closing borders while preparations were made for it’s eventual arrival.
        
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        October 10, 2023 10:13am
      - JimBobJoe
        
        “When you say young people are at zero risk of covid, what do you mean?
        My three grandchildren all caught the disease at school/preschool and passed it around the family.
        Including their grandparents . . .”
        
        Actual Clan is wrong the risk to children is not Zero, but it is a number close to zero….
        
        Your grandchildren catching a virus at school happens every day – the number of viruses circulating in the population is huge…
        
        The thing is most viruses are not dangerous to most people most of the time.
        
        When you get old – flu is a big danger… when your young not so much… ditto other viruses like RSV, Rhinovirus, etc etc….
        
        So your statement below, which I have quoted at the start of this post means pretty much nothing.
        
        Life ends. Viruses are everywhere.
        
        COVID 19 is only like the 3rd or 4th Corona virus that has become endemic in human populations. Your body after a long life (assuming this as you have grandies so I assume you are north of 55 though could be younger..) has given you an immune system capable of handling another Corona virus.
        
        The COVID 19 response has been a hysterical over reaction by Western populations that don’t want to face mortality and think they can live forever….
        
        And that hysteria has been used by authoritarians to take away peoples freedoms and condition people even further into the destructive safetism culture that holds sway in our Bureaucracy and big chunks of our population, especially our female population…
        
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        October 10, 2023 1:13pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @ClanMcleod,
        This will happen again one day. The idea of biological warfare surfaced years ago, but is now real. The Socialists/Marxists/Communists who will try this again are now learning at kindy.
        It will again be disguised as real, without telling us it is experimental control.
        
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        October 10, 2023 2:53pm
  - Pavel
    
    My father died 2 days after taking his booster. Had trouble breathing, went into cardiac arrest, was revived but never regained consciousness or the ability to breathe on his own so the machines were switched off 2 days later. Call it a coincidence if you like but he is the first person in the family to ever die from a heart attack and I will add that in 99.9% of cases of heart attacks are hereditary.
    
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    October 10, 2023 8:21am
    - kevn
      
      Clan… I notice an abnormal number of downticks on this subject. How odd.
      
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      October 10, 2023 9:58am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Jack Nicholson says it best.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWSx0bBiNIs&pp=ygUaeW91IGNhbid0IGhhbmRsZSB0aGUgdHJ1dGg%3D
        
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        October 10, 2023 10:17am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Pavel, I’m sorry to hear that, but you are not alone in those circumstances.
      
      I know people that collapsed in the vaccine clinics and had to be rushed to hospital. Or died within hours of the booster.
      
      I have friends that suffer from vaccine injuries.
      
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      October 10, 2023 10:13am
      - kevn
        
        Jack… I accompanied my wife to get her jab(s) twice. At each venue there were hospital beds in readiness for the (no doubt) expected adverse effects.
        So we waited with the others the 20 mins or so for the issues, the beds weren’t needed for our cluster of jabees.
        
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        October 10, 2023 10:43am
      - JackRabbit
        
        @kevn
        
        Yes, and I pity the poor guy in Auckland, when he was resting after his jab, and the guy next to him dropped dead.
        
        Or the vaccinators who jabbed and had patients go into anaphylactic shock and be rushed off to hospital.
        
        Or hundreds of ambulances seen leaving vaccine clinics at high speed with lights flashing but sirens off, headed for the hospitals. Or the sudden new phenomena of daily chopper flights from country towns to main city hospitals in the days after the Jabberwocky bus visits.
        
        Sudden onset of Arthritis, myocarditis, deafness, blindness, etc post jab…
        
        Vaccinators leaving their job quickly despite the high pay. Vaccinators seeking counseling because the injected an under 12 year old child, only to have that child drop dead a few days later.
        
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        October 10, 2023 11:08am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Condolences Pavel.
      “Nobody was forced to take the vaccine” //
      CH and JA.
      
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      October 10, 2023 2:58pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    By the same token, “Who on earth are the mythical people that died “ from covid?
    
    4 vaccine caused deaths were confirmed by the coroner and medsafe board and named. Before medsafe stopped reporting.
    
    None of the “covid deaths” were confirmed by the coroner or named.
    
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    October 10, 2023 8:48am
    - mawm
      
      Without an autopsy and microscopic examination of relevant tissues stained to differentiate between covid “spike” and vaccine “spike” there can be no determination as to which caused the death. Medical history and physical examination cannot. This has become apparent in a number of observational studies by pathologists brave enough to do the required tests and to publish their results.
      
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      October 10, 2023 10:36am
      - Keith White
        
        x10000
        
        “If you do not test for it, you will never get a result.”
        
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        October 10, 2023 12:42pm
  - Philview
    
    Reported you by mistake.
    
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    October 10, 2023 8:57am
  - burt
    
    Who on earth are these mythical ‘people who died for the vaccine’?
    
    Firstly you’ve misquoted, but ignoring that, they are real people, that had real loved ones, they lived real lives – they did what they thought was the rights thing and it killed them. The people left behind miss them, many are struggling to be heard, many have given up hope of even getting recognition let alone justice.
    
    What do we call a person who has no empathy?
    
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    October 10, 2023 8:59am
    - sirknz
      
      What do we call a person who has no empathy?
      ———-
      
      A Greens MP?
      
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      October 10, 2023 9:03am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Sick.
    
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    October 10, 2023 9:20am
- slightlyrighty
  
  do you think the producers might have been doing a bit of selective editing there then?
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:10am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Devils advocate. Luxon has been portrayed in a certain way as the protesters were portrayed in a certain way. I tend to use Ron Iddles measure of the ABC’s…
  A = Accept nothing
  B = Believe nothing
  C = Check everything.
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:16am
- Gravelroad
  
  Correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t there a NZ Royal Commission of Enquiry going on about the NZ government’s whole Covid 19 response?
  Bit early to be blaming the then Leader of the Opposition for what was happening at the time?
  But, we are in an election campaign and National leadership fair game for the left wingers on here to undermine.
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:16am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Watch the movie.
    
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    October 10, 2023 8:24am
    - All_on_Red
      
      You say Luxon supported Mallards activities.
      What did he say and what did he do?
      
      You say Luxon “appeared not to give a fuck about people who died”.
      Thats a pretty vicious smear accusing Luxon of such callous behaviour.
      Where is your evidence that he “appeared not to give a fuck”?
      What, specifically, did he say and do?
      
      Or is this just another of your endless daily slanders.
      No wonder no one replies to your silly letters.
      
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      October 10, 2023 8:33am
      - coge
        
        Luxon was silent throughout. Tacit in his complete approval of Ardern’s 2022 Covid doctrine. Impotent in his opposition. Segregation, dehumanisation and economic persecution of the people of NZ.
        
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        October 10, 2023 8:39am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        He supported Mallard and what happened to the peaceful protesters. He supported Mallard in not speaking to the protesters which could have stopped the violence.
        
        After Luxon took over I was impressed by him. I had a chance to hear him at a function. I had emailed him about a woman who had a bad reaction to the first jab and did not want to get a second but feared for her job. I approached him at the meeting about this woman. He just said follow the science and walked away. He could not give a fuck about people who had a bad reaction.
        
        Watch the movie.
        
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        October 10, 2023 8:47am
      - All_on_Red
        
        What a pathetic response
        You have said nothing which justifies your slanderous comments
        Really “he supported Mallard in not speaking to the protesters which could have stopped the violence” is that the best you have got?
        He didn’t speak to them?
        And of course Luxon committed the greatest sin of all- he didn’t respond to your email!
        How about you take your nasty lies elsewhere
        And get some help- you’re becoming increasingly unhinged
        
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        October 10, 2023 8:52am
    - Gravelroad
      
      https://www.covid19lessons.royalcommission.nz/
      Read this.
      Contribute your thoughts.
      I get it that the anti National commenters on here don’t like Luxon and that Covid19 is the most important huge issue for many – we hear about it often enough.
      But it’s not a huge issue for everybody.
      Ensuring a change of government rates higher for some of us.
      
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      October 10, 2023 9:32am
      - Matt Long
        
        Can I respectfully suggest everyone lays off Luxon and Seymour until next week. First let’s get rid of the current clownshow, then we can deal with the hand we’re given post election.
        
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        October 10, 2023 10:18am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Matt Long.
        
        Well done sir.
        
        Your 180deg turn is a wise one.
        
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        October 10, 2023 10:45am
  - cmm
    
    Any enquiry will be a complete whitewash.
    
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    October 10, 2023 8:54am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Read the reviews.
    
    https://riveroffreedom.nz/index.php/film-reviews/
    
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    October 10, 2023 9:13am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Gravelroad – the Royal Commission is an expensive, virtue signaling whitewash.
    
    The Terms of Reference have been made so deliberately narrow that it will present zero evidence of any use to anyone.
    
    It’s an expensive joke.
    
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    October 10, 2023 9:36am
    - RoboRob
      
      Yet voting for Winston and his Royal commision will make all the difference right?
      
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      October 10, 2023 10:11am
      - JackRabbit
        
        Winston does not want the Royal commission anywhere near it.
        
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        October 10, 2023 3:02pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      I have no way of knowing whether the work of the Commission will be a waste of time, a whitewash or expensive virtue signalling.
      But I am sure you will have already made a lengthy and detailed submission to the Enquiry as per the invitation below published on their website
      @ ClanMcleod? Or no?
      “An important part of the work of the Royal Commission is to ensure that people feel they can share their insights and experiences with us freely. We want to hear what worked well and what didn’t work so well in Aotearoa New Zealand’s response to COVID-19. Gathering these insights will help to ensure we prepare a report and recommendations that genuinely reflect what people have experienced during the pandemic, so we can be better prepared for the future.”
      
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      October 10, 2023 10:33am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Gravel. The most egregious crimes during the covid response were Aderns hiding of the medsafe report and the purchase and administration of early covid batches after they were known to be unacceptably deadly.
        
        What makes NZs purchase of early batches particularly suspicious (from countries who presumably didn’t want to continue killing their citizens) was the NZ government’s late entry into the pfizer jab queue.
        
        The vaccine purchase and administration has been excluded from the royal inquiry.
        
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        October 10, 2023 11:25am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Gravelroad – you clearly haven’t read the terms terms of reference or you wouldn’t be asking that question.
        
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        October 10, 2023 1:15pm
- Ruahine
  
  I have seen the movie River of Freedom and Luxon is not mentioned specifically if I recall. Mallard and Ardern were called out often. Great speech from Parliament by Simon O’Connor National Tamaki Electorate and also David Seymour.
  The most disgusting vile speech that I have ever heard in my life about a group of fellow New Zealanders came from Labour bully Michael Wood. He of Rivers of Filth. It is in the film.
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:53am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    What you said about O’Connor and Seymour is correct. Luxon was only mentioned briefly so you may have missed it. Luxon did support Mallard in not speaking to the peaceful protesters which could have stopped the violence.
    
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    October 10, 2023 9:53am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      All party leaders were put under a notice not to meet the protesters, Mallard had all control of those leaders as speaker
      
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      October 10, 2023 12:15pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        The opposition MPs did not have to meet the protesters but could have condemned Mallard.
        
        I was in Wellington at the time at a Superblue conference. I went down and spoke to many of the protesters. They were good decent people and should not have been attacked the way they were on orders of the evil government.
        
        The Leader of the Opposition should have condemned the attack on peaceful protesters, most of whom did not have a criminal record.
        
        They could get hundreds of police for this violent assault but cannot do so when gangs take over a town.
        
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        October 10, 2023 2:10pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Turing a blind eye to something wrong is condoning it.
      
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      October 10, 2023 3:04pm
- Waipuk
  
  Why are you singling out Luxon for special mention?
  
  Haven’t seen the movie yet but I am sure there were many others who had move impact on proceedings. Including the piece of shit called Mallard.
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:54am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    “Why are you singling out Luxon for special mention?”
    
    You are right about Mallard. However, I believe it is the opposition’s role to oppose. I felt the same about the firearm confiscation. I was appalled with National having the legislation rushed through. I was very impressed with Seymour’s stand.
    
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    October 10, 2023 10:22am
  - Guy Preston
    
    Well, he is the leader of the opposition, and he is supposed to be holding the government to account…
    
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    October 10, 2023 10:32am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    It’s pathetic, Luxon had actually spoken against mandates snd lockdown saying it’s time to stop both
    
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    October 10, 2023 12:16pm
    - RRM
      
      Could have fooled me. Perhaps luxon should have spoken louder. That is after all his job.
      
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      October 10, 2023 1:14pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Then you are tone deaf, the very first thing he said as leader was the border should be fully open, lockdown in Auckland should stop, and that he had no idea what the pony of mandates were
        
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        October 10, 2023 2:02pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        Did Luxon say this so that the whole country could hear and get behind it, or did he mutter to the cleaner? I don’t recall it being in the media.
        
        If it was it would have been big news, and the boney finger would have been pointed at him.
        
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        October 10, 2023 3:09pm
      - Ghost
        
        National Party leader Christopher Luxon has criticised the Government during an Auckland address on Monday afternoon, saying there was an “increasingly divided society” in New Zealand. During the speech, the Botany MP said New Zealand should begin to remove vaccine mandates progressively once the country was through the Omicron peak.
        
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        October 10, 2023 3:27pm
      - Observer of Life
        
        Louder and sooner.
        
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        October 10, 2023 4:14pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @ghost
        
        That’s pretty lame ghost. The date on that statement by Luxon was 21/02/2022.
        
        The court case challenging the police and defense force mandates had come to an end, and no doubt key politicians would have been advised of its outcome before it was released on 25/02/2022, 4 days later.
        
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/462265/covid-19-high-court-quashes-unlawful-vaccine-mandate-for-police-and-defence-force-staff
        
        And in any case he was saying easing mandates after Omicron peaked, not standing up against the mandates when they were put in place, in 2021.
        
        Anyone can be a weatherman predicting it is going to be a sunny day if you make that proclamation as soon as you see the sun peeking over the horizon.
        
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        October 10, 2023 7:39pm
      - Ghost
        
        I’m just giving the link, not agreeing with giant.
        
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        October 10, 2023 8:36pm
- Countrygirl
  
  I thought the movie showed both National and Act in the house speaking against it. However to me, although I don’t agree with it, I can understand that they would have required all politicians to stick together in an attempt to stop the spread of the disease. Likewise with all the evidence coming out about the harm the vaccine has done, how on earth are pollies from all round the world going to admit to any wrong doing. There would be mass hysteria. And the blame game would be crazy.
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:59am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Countrygirl – the bigger problem is, by all agreeing to shut up they appear to have all agreed to Omerta and most people now see this.
    
    Hence the complete collapse in trust of elected representatives who apparently only represent their own backsides.
    
    No different to your kid lying to you and you know they’re lying. So we carefully explain how it’s better to own your mistakes and learn from them.
    Continuing to deny what everyone knows is true never ends well.
    
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    October 10, 2023 9:43am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Mallard had full control as speaker, they were throttled by his orders
    
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    October 10, 2023 12:17pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Mallard has control over the debating chamber, and control over the grounds and building security. He does not have control over peoples conscience.
      
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      October 10, 2023 3:11pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  The Thugs Veto in action. Last night the NSW Government lit up the Opera House with the Israeli flag. The Towel Head Hamas Terrorist supporters marched from the Town Hall to the Opera House with a Police escort. The Police told Israeli supporters to stay away and took away several who had Israeli flags. The Police aided and abetted a potentially violent protest and disallowed a potentially peaceful protest.
  The NZ Police are guilty of the same abhorent behaviour.
  
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  October 10, 2023 9:07am
- nathie
  
  We were all discussing this at the time last year. What would have likely happened is that Mallard, with selective Police HQ info to back him, would have highlighted those probably less than a handful of people that did want to cause harm to politicians (and media) and amplified that.
  
  This would likely explain why the MP’s and why the Parliamentary Press gallery reporters (apart from Soper, in time) didn’t want to venture outside. IIRC Mallard banned the MSM from talking to the protesters (apart from Soper – the rest of the PP gallery reporters were cowards).
  
  But but but surely Mallard wouldn’t do this, right? Yes he would! Just look at his actions by 1) turning on the sprinklers to wet the protesters. 2) playing loud music through the night to unsettle them (Mallard didn’t care about nearby residents losing their sleep). 3) Mallard attempting to prevent protests at Parliament for the first time in NZ’s history. 4) Mallard not preventing the Police to bash and shoot at protesters.
  
  Mallard appears to be some sort of sociopath. Or worse. Forget Luxon and Seymour, they were his pawns. Our attention (and the lame MSM’s attention) should be on holding Mallard (and Labour) to account.
  
  Anyone and anything else is a sideshow or distraction. Even Winnie (he didn’t know what he was getting into at the time but look at him milking it now).
  
  The anti-mandate protesters were heroes in my opinion.
  
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  October 10, 2023 9:10am
  - coge
    
    The only opposition visible throughout the whole sordid affair were camped out or otherwise on the Parliamentary lawn.
    
    Luxon and Seymour failed to oppose. There simply isn’t any evidence to suggest differently. Their casual disregard for the rights of every NZer, is weighing heavily for a considerable bloc of the electorate.
    
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    October 10, 2023 9:33am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      coge – spot on. Yet daily on this blog, the advice to this considerable bloc is to stfu and vote for NACT.
      
      Some people have zero compassion and no idea how the long term impacts of refusing to acknowledge the damage done will make any healing or return of trust take even longer than it already is going to take.
      
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      October 10, 2023 9:47am
      - RoboRob
        
        Stop trying to pummel people into voting for NZF becuase Winston said some words about Covid.
        
        For 99% of people this election is about more then COVID. Even if it is all about COVID you are yet to explain how voting for Winston Peters is going to undo what happened or change anything going forward.
        
        I will preempt your response around an Enquiry and say. So what, the results will be that people made the right decision overall based on the information at the time but that there were serious errors with the implementation. Politicians will promise to learn. No one is going to loose their job or be punished here.
        
        Winstons other promise ‘that this will never happen again’ is just so much ‘words’. How pray tell is Winston going to legislate how future governments can and cant deal witn future health issues?
        
        When it boils down to it your daily attacks on NACT over their COVID position and the implied ‘your only choice is my hero Winston’, just comes accross as paid advertising for NZF.
        
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        October 10, 2023 10:09am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Let’s not forget that with every decision made about COVID between January and October 2020, one Winston Raymond Peters was Deputy Prime Minister, and his party rubber-stamped every one.
        
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        October 10, 2023 1:17pm
- RRM
  
  Unfortunately, behaviour during the covid-1984 plandemic is no way of grading the politicians or parties, since they all acted in exactly the same way. ALL of them, up to and including ACT, fell in line with Jacinda’s team of 120.
  
  (Except for Winston, and I very much hope you’ve learned your lesson about voting for him since 2017?)
  
  ALL of them were OK with the state making new medicines mandatory.
  
  ALL of them were OK with people who didn’t comply losing their livelihoods.
  
  ALL of them were OK with police attacking the protestors with bats, rubber bullets and tear gas.
  
  (I made a collage of screenshots of social media comments made by Luxon, Willis, Bishflaps and one or two others while they watched the protest being violently put down. I post it in their threads any time I see them trying to subtly re-write history.)
  
  A pox on all their houses.
  
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  October 10, 2023 12:34pm
slightlyrighty

Well, this election will be remembered for many reasons. It has been the dirtiest campaign that I remember, although the National Party appears to have conducted itself in a very collegial manner (Although a bit of mongrel might be needed abouit now).

The claims, and actual incidents of violent and unseemly conduct directed at candidates have been rather selectively reported.

and now we have the very unusual spanner in the works of the death of a candidate, with polls indicating the very real possibility of National and ACT getting 60 seats, and needing the result of the By Election to determine if they can form a majority government without having to include NZ First, and the looming By Election will give Luxon levergage that he could not have reasonable expected in any negotiations post Oct 14 and before the By Election.

This has to be the basis of one hell of a constitutional law case study!
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October 10, 2023 8:09am
- Warren
  
  It has to be a problem for Labour when the rumor mill has it that there is talk of Jacinda Ardern joining the Labour supporter for a push together Chris Hipkins re-elected.
  
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  October 10, 2023 9:47am
  - Ghost
    
    Not a rumor, Mr Hipkins said it
    
    “I think we’ll see a little bit more of Jacinda in the next few days. She’s obviously in Boston, so the timezones make that a bit more challenging,” Hipkins said.
    
    Article
    
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    October 10, 2023 10:00am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      She will only make people feel sick
      
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      October 10, 2023 12:19pm
    - John Loveridge
      
      Good. There is a lot of intense loathing for Ardern out there. Bring her on.
      
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      October 10, 2023 12:35pm
  - coge
    
    She won’t show up until the last votes have been cast.
    
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    October 10, 2023 11:17am
- ecco
  
  Wow that would mean that the people of Port of Waikato (where is that???) electorate might decide the next government. Could only happen in the NZ elections.
  
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  October 10, 2023 12:49pm
Benedict Yu

Never come across this guy. John Minto. Melting down because Chris Luxon condemned the terrorist attacks on Israel. He regards them as freedom fighters who should be supported.

https://twitter.com/JohnJohnminto/status/1710821230193136125?t=myyEF1OkhLf-poj4O7BiHg&s=19

He actually says that “New Zealand bears a heavy responsibility for the violence”. 🤡. Seems a bit unhinged.
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October 10, 2023 8:14am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Seems = is when it comes to his ideologies (and I use a plural because they are interchangable to the current ‘thing’).
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  John Minto is a head case – and to go with that he is a teacher. I would never let my children be taught by this nasty person.
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:18am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner reckons he got hit on the head so many times during the Springbox Tour protests the Police even named a baton after him. LOL!!!
    
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    October 10, 2023 8:23am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      He got the living shit beaten out of him in Hamilton.
      
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      October 10, 2023 9:08am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      It’s called a Minto Bar.
      
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      October 10, 2023 9:13am
      - thirteenstars
        
        Ah, brings back memories of the mint Crunchie.
        
        I wonder if they still make them.
        
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        October 10, 2023 9:30am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    How could he possibly be employed as a teacher?
    
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    October 10, 2023 8:28am
    - Rodney Hide
      
      He remains a teacher because he has never misgendered a pupil.
      
      Rodney Hide
      
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      October 10, 2023 8:49am
      - Observer of Life
        
        Rodney: 😂😂😂
        
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        October 10, 2023 9:09am
      - Notsofast
        
        The truth value of that statement depending on which side of the looking glass you live.
        
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        October 10, 2023 10:11am
    - imalwaysright
      
      B.Y
      
      You have gone from not knowing of him to, 14 minutes later, suggesting he is unsuitable to be a teacher.
      
      How did you reach that conclusion ?
      
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      October 10, 2023 9:22am
      - Rodney Hide
        
        Because John Minto is a teacher justifying rape and murder.
        
        Rodney Hide
        
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        October 10, 2023 9:34am
      - imalwaysright
        
        R.H
        
        That is an extreme statement.
        Are you sure that you are correct?
        
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        October 10, 2023 9:55am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “How did you reach that conclusion ?”
        
        Good grief….from 2 minutes reading his twitter posts.
        
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        October 10, 2023 10:05am
      - Matt Long
        
        I’m always right, take a look at X, the Marxists and regressives are making like the vile acts of Hamas are the highest expression of humanity, right up with the trans movement and BLM.
        
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        October 10, 2023 10:27am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Because he could teach Maths and Physics…and there’s been a shortage of teachers who can teach those subjects.
      
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      October 10, 2023 10:01am
      - Rusty
        
        @Maggie
        
        I think John Minto concreted my neighbours driveway years or was it that other guy?
        
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        October 10, 2023 1:18pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Probably Tim Shadbolt.
        
        https://d3lp4xedbqa8a5.cloudfront.net/s3/digital-cougar-assets/nznow/2019/01/29/1548716149961_TimShadbolttowsconcretemixerbehindmayoralcar.jpg?width=768&height=639&quality=75&mode=crop&anchor=topcenter
        
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        October 10, 2023 8:55pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Unhinged is a bit of an understatement.
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:18am
  - emmess
    
    Michael Laws interviewed the terrorist loving POS
    https://youtu.be/i9X26bjyQIk?si=0SNprfZy8wNXdeG5
    Far too soft on him
    
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    October 10, 2023 8:29am
- Michael Johnston
  
  He’s New Zealand’s longest-standimg professional protester. There is no left-wing cause for which he has not taken up his megaphone.
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:19am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Minto’s a perpetual leftie protester who believes communism just needs to be implemented properly.
  
  He’s found plenty to keep himself busy since his Halt All Racist Tours’ days
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:19am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Hes a joy of a human being – said no one, ever.
  
  Watched as he was, in his old union role, escorted around a company office. To a (wo)man, everyone refused to talk to him.
  
  Is up there with Corbyn in terms of his hatred for the Jewish state.
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:20am
- Paulus
  
  Surely Minto cannot be unhinged, after all he teaches our young children, still I believe.
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:21am
- Reg Perrin
  
  The Screaming Skull as Bob Jones refers to him. Heres a bit of background reading from Bob about him
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/bob-jones-a-message-to-screaming-john-minto-shut-up/AT7GJ777R7P6FCYYXAMDCI5ESQ/
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:22am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Before your time in NZ, Benedict. He was a big wheel in the ‘81 Tour Protests. He was nicknamed the Screaming Skull, which was a bit unkind – who can help their physiognomy.
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:28am
- NothingLeft
  
  Truly unhinged Marxist who supported all the murderous marxist regimes of the last 50 years, and anything that might help bring on his communist wet dreams Irredeemable.
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:30am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Never come across this guy.
  
  NZ’s favourite leftie…
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Minto
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:33am
  - Nickc2
    
    Add to that: Trevor Richards and Sue Bradford.
    
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    October 10, 2023 9:01am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He does not seem too interested in the current apartheid in NZ.
    
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    October 10, 2023 9:10am
    - imalwaysright
      
      S.O
      
      Good point.
      
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      October 10, 2023 10:00am
  - Swifty
    
    The Screaming Skull.
    
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    October 10, 2023 9:14am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yep, that is him. I had forgotten that reference.
      
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      October 10, 2023 9:24am
- Arthur Fleck
  
  Even Stalin would regard this idiot as useless.
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:35am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Ben, John Minto is a communist activist from way, way back. Halt All Racist Tours in the 70’s. When Nelson Mandela came to NZ in 1995, Minto asked him when South Africa would become a communist country. Mandela laughed in his face and told him that would be crazy. The guy has to be 70, so if he’s still teaching, communism has really worked for him. And yes, he’s batshit nuts.
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:40am
  - Lance
    
    Mandela also told him to shut the fuck up when he screeched about further Springbok tour bans AFTER the fall of apartheid.
    
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    October 10, 2023 9:49am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Yep, Minto was anti the South African govt, and he was very pro Soviet Union, and kept holding up Russia as a virtuous example of a free country, while slagging off South Africa.
    
    On one such occasion in the late 70’s Minto was promoting the pro Soviet Union propaganda, and decrying South African apartheid.
    
    If I recall correctly Bert Walker, then a National MP, pointed out that there were more cars in South Africa that were owned or driven by blacks, than there were private motor cars in the whole of the Soviet Union.
    
    At least that’s how I remember the story. I had met Bert on a number of occasions.
    
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    October 10, 2023 10:35am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  The origins of the Hamas-Israel conflict explained | ABC News
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsNj8DiJv-A
  
  Lest we forget.
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:49am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Pro terrorist propaganda.
    
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    October 10, 2023 3:00pm
- Ehlana
  
  He was prominent in the campaigns against apartheid in South Africa. IIRC he headed an organisation called Halt All Racist Tours (HART) which wanted to stop All Black tours to South Africa.
  
  I haven’t heard much from him lately – keep expecting to see him and his on the streets making a noise about race-based systems in NZ, but so far, nothing.
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:56am
  - Swifty
    
    It was originally to be called Fight All Racist Tours but they thought twice about it.
    
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    October 10, 2023 9:15am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Works for me.
      
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      October 10, 2023 9:27am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    I believe Minto’s actions did more for Muldoon’s 1981 election prospects than did any National Party campaigning team.
    There is no way National would have won Taupo and the two Hamilton seats that year, without Minto’s help. That is a sore that still festers amongst the trendy lefties.
    
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    October 10, 2023 9:59am
    - MCōs
      
      Interestingly the Labour Party picked up more popular votes than National that year though neither of them made it to 40%.
      Social Credit got 20%, but only two seats
      It was results like that that led to MMP
      
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      October 10, 2023 12:46pm
- Matt Long
  
  Dear sick liberal psychopaths, if you don’t support the vile acts of the Hamas terrorists, but want to protect innocent Palestinians from Israel, how about calling on Gaza to release the hostages and handing the evil terrorists over to Israel?
  Minto, you support evil, that makes you evil as well.
  
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  October 10, 2023 9:00am
  - Rusty
    
    @Matt -There was a pro-Hamas/Palestinian march in Sydney last night with reports Police would arrest or remove any Jewish /pro-Israel people trying to counter protest the march.
    
    Can you believe that?
    
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    October 10, 2023 9:07am
    - waikatosinger
      
      Unfortunately – yes.
      
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      October 10, 2023 9:45am
    - Lance
      
      So NSW police are trying to out-woke NZ police?
      
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      October 10, 2023 9:51am
    - Matt Long
      
      Initially I could not believe the Left’s reactions. Then I remembered Antifa, Defund the police, the Marxist BLM riots, the celebrations of other terrorist acts and destruction of property.
      AND the Support for Labour’s lockdowns and hatred of those who stood against the mandates.
      There’s a fine line protecting us from these people carrying out the same sort of purges here.
      
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      October 10, 2023 10:33am
- cmm
  
  Minto has been noisy about many things in the past, especially Palestine and South Africa.
  
  He is at least somewhat consistent in that he also has a go at the ANC in South Africa because they have failed to do anything for the people there.
  
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  October 10, 2023 9:07am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Minto was pissed at ANC (and even harangued Mandela about it) for not going full communist.
    
    He was in the USSR-backed ‘Socialist Unity Party’ communists in the ’70’s and 80’s, that infiltrated and ultimately controlled anti-springboks tour protest movement as a means to foment glorious socialist revolution.
    
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    October 10, 2023 9:17am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Any rational Human Being would not have been pissed at ANC for not going full communist, but for the Winnie Mandela inspired ANC tactics of “necklacing” non conformists.
      
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      October 10, 2023 10:49am
    - cmm
      
      The main dismantling of apartheid was basically triggered by the dissolution of the USSR and the Berlin Wall coming down. At that point the ANC realised they best roll up their commie banners and become a bit more welcoming to the west – because the commie bloc was no longer going to be a source of funding.
      
      Funding was most inportant. As a few “revolutionaries” have said – nobody fought the revolution to be poor.
      
      It is all very well Minto screaming comrade, comrade. But he won’t actually go live in a commie shithole.
      
      Even commies know what side of the bread has the jam on it.
      
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      October 10, 2023 11:43am
  - alex Masterley
    
    To that extent he is a bit like Sue Bradford in that he is consistent in his message (what ever it is).
    
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    October 10, 2023 9:19am
- Mobile Michael
  
  Someone who runs into a Mosque and shoots unarmed civilians is a terrorist, someone who runs into a Kibbutz and shoots unarmed civilians is a freedom fighter.
  
  Minto is so racist it colours his ability to tell right from wrong.
  
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  October 10, 2023 9:14am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Anyone who deliberately kills or threatens unarmed civilians is a terrorist, no matter what their ’cause’ is.
    End of story.
    
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    October 10, 2023 9:55am
    - cmm
      
      Ditto anyone who lives amongst the civilian populations and uses them as human shields.
      
      “The guerrilla must move amongst the people as a fish swims in the sea.”
      
      Mao Zedong
      
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      October 10, 2023 11:46am
    - JackRabbit
      
      I’ve always said if two countries want to fight, get the leaders into a discussion, or a boxing ring, or if they go to war, send in their own family first.
      
      There is no honour in sending countless soldiers into battle to die, all to appease your own ego.
      
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      October 10, 2023 2:41pm
  - Christopher Thomson
    
    Sonny Bill Williams, a one-time, good sports player has come out in support of the statement that Hamas and its actions are the same as the Ukranian fight back against the Russian invasion.
    
    I guess I missed all the videos of the Ukranians indiscriminently gunning down men, women, and children. No doubt all those civilian hostages that Ukraine is holding will be duely executed in the Hamas style.
    
    I had always picked him as not the brightest bulb in the chandelier but this is an absurdity that illustrates how ignorant he is.
    
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    October 10, 2023 1:37pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Underlines the fact that just because people are high achievers in one field does not mean that their opinions on other topics offer any more value than anyone else’s.
      
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      October 10, 2023 8:48pm
- bjools
  
  Minto…
  Given his 15 minutes of fame during the Springbok tour..
  Personally, I didn’t care whether they came or they didn’t (at the time)m, but was personally threatened by the anti tour protesters, give an affirmative opinion….No such threats from the pro tour people.
  Minto has been looking for a repeat of his 15 minutes ever since, this is just his latest attempt.
  My advice….ignore the self serving idiot.
  From Wiki..
  John Minto (born c. 1953) is a New Zealand political activist known for his involvement in various left-wing groups and causes, most notably Halt All Racist Tours. A 2005 documentary on New Zealand’s Top 100 History Makers listed him as number 89. As of 2011, he is involved with the protest[1] group Global Peace and Justice Auckland and the Unite Union. He also wrote a weekly column for The Press[2] and was formerly editor of the (now defunct) Workers’ Charter newspaper.
  
  Minto is a long-time member of the Post Primary Teachers’ Association (PPTA) and also a national vice chairperson[3] of QPEC, Quality Public Education Coalition (Inc) and co-vice-president of the Mana Movement. Minto was also a teacher at Hornby High School and retired from teaching in 2018.[4]
  
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  October 10, 2023 9:25am
- rouppe
  
  Minto bears a heavy responsibility for the violence in 1981.
  
  Never seen him accept his role in that.
  
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  October 10, 2023 9:30am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  He always has been- he lives for left wing causes.
  
  During the Springbok Tour, the police batons were rechristened “Minto Bars”
  
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  October 10, 2023 9:56am
- Cassandra
  
  Minto is as unhinged as Martyn Bradbury who runs a strange blog which I recommend you avoid like the plague. Minto doesn’t use vile language however. With Bradbury every second word is an obscenity.
  
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  October 10, 2023 10:06am
  - Phil
    
    He is a strong advocate for freedom of speech and very anti-woke, however the looming decimation of the left has unhinged him. To me he is the lefts Cameron Slater (similarly unhinged by the thought of Luxon as PM). Still refers to his followers as comrades.
    
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    October 10, 2023 10:41am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Bradbury (aka the Screaming Beard) seems to regard The Daily Blog less as a blog than an old-fashioned megaphone through which he just screams the same boiler-plate crap day after day to whip up the masses.
    
    And when I say “the same” I mean he literally just copies and pastes the same stuff into different posts even on the same day. It looks like it only ends when he gets bored with a phrase or sentence.
    
    Then there’s hair-on-fire hysteria of it all: global boiling, ACT as Walter White because they want Pseudoephedrine to be out back into Sudafed, and “submachine guns” – that last being a mark of real pig ignorance, not that Bradbury cares because the more extreme the language the better as far as he’s concerned.
    
    Total twat. I’m glad he’s of the Far Left.
    
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    October 10, 2023 11:07am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Yep, the copy and paste from previous articles is a read turn-off for Bradbury’s articles.
      I general skim, then fly past his predictable slogans to read the other comments.
      Is he lazy, or does he think his readers are stupid?
      …..or both?
      
      His Blog is useful to (A) at least see that socialists might resent the Woke around turning off people from the Left in general, and traditional class views of struggle; (B) to see how Leftie people can grab the complete opposite end of the stick around current events such as policy, the future of NZ, or who is being ‘racist’.
      
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      October 10, 2023 12:02pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  The problem for Minto now is that his new pals, Hamas, are killing their enemies and boasting about it while Minto speaks whereas back in the day his pals in South Africa kept their knives sheathed until they won.
  
  It’s why you can predict with certainty that if Hamas ever won you’d never hear from Minto about the killing Jews, because you don’t hear from him now about killing Afrikaners. In both cases he regards it as justice, a justice with no end.
  
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  October 10, 2023 10:29am
- G152
  
  A Bit ??????
  Minto is off his head and has been since he learned to talk.
  
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  October 10, 2023 10:58am
- Inandout
  
  BY, Minto was offered an award by the SA government in 2009 but he declined because he wasn’t happy with the way the country had turned out. These lefties are truly flakes and you can imagine Israel becoming another SA if these Hamas lovers get their way.
  
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  October 10, 2023 11:25am
- John Loveridge
  
  Good grief! Never? Minto has been a thorn in the backside of New Zealand for over 40 years. He has run for mayor of Christchurch at least once. In fact, on one occasion I was forced to swallow a turd and vote for Liane Dalziel, the only other candidate actually in the running, to make sure that bastard didn’t get in.
  
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  October 10, 2023 12:36pm
peterwn

“Election 2023: Labour warns of ‘US-style Government shutdowns’ if National, NZ First enter confidence-only deal with ACT “.
Hey Chris Hipkins – what about the possibility of Labour/NZF only being able to manage a confidence deal with Greens and/or TPM. Things work both ways, you know. Why does Chris Hipkins think Labour is immune from this sort of issue. Labour/NZF took Greens for granted in 2017, and the Greens would have a tougher negotiating stance this time.
Then it is looking as if National will have a bonus MP after the Port Waikato byelection and that could enable Cris Luxon to flip Winston the bird.
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October 10, 2023 8:17am
- Tom Hunter
  
  The people of Belgium and Spain didn’t seem to suffer when they had no government for a few months.
  
  In fact “the people” seemed to thrive.
  
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  October 10, 2023 11:09am
- JackRabbit
  
  “Election 2023: Labour warns of ‘US-style Government shutdowns’ if National, NZ First enter confidence-only deal with ACT “
  
  If we look at Ardern’s, Hipkins, and Robbos spending the belt will have to be tightened by 5 or 6 notches, as NZ is basically bankrupt.
  
  There will be no freebees because the stooges have raided the cookie jar, smashed the piggy bank, printed fiat money, racked up hidden debts in SOEs, probably already sold off state assets or at least used them as security for loans.
  
  Hipkins knows Labour only got through by continuous borrowing and printing of money.
  
  “There are no sausage rolls left to feed the nation. I ate them all.”
  
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  October 10, 2023 2:48pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING: HEADS SHOULD ROLL.

I’ve always secretly admired Rachel Smalley since her days on ZB Early Edition, when she mistakenly left her microphone on during an ad break and was heard to refer to women in the Labor Party as…. ‘HEIFERS’ and ‘LARD ARSES’.

LOL!!

https://twitter.com/Rachel_Smalley/status/1711244865437307247
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October 10, 2023 8:19am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Yup, National would score lots of brownie points announcing a review of Pharmac and significantly increased funding.
  
  That sort of behaviour from a CEO in the public sector is unforgivable, she should have been removed within hours. Childish, leading of the mob mentality and all wrapped up within an organisation with almost zero accountability to those of us who (a) fund it and (b) rely on it.
  
  A significant clean out and re-focus required.
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:23am
- Jack5
  
  But remember Smalley going to Europe at the beginning of the refugee invasions and championing open borders?
  
  She followed this up with a function in Auckland, where a charmed John Key then doubled NZ’s refugee intake.
  
  Smalley was Woke as hell then, and maybe still is.
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:25am
- ClanMcleod
  
  About the only honest thing she ever said as a ‘journalist’.
  
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  October 10, 2023 9:57am
Jack5

Former footballer, failed boxer Sonny Bill Williams is back in the headlines – again – after comparing Hamas to Ukrainian soldiers.

Williams is addicted to publicity, and he’s a bit of an airhead.

At the 2015 Rugby world title, Williams took the limelight from the All Blacks captain by giving his prize medal to a young English kid. Was this big-hearted or was this PR?

This paragraph is from Williams’s entry at Wikipedia.

He was the New Zealand Professional Boxing Association (NZPBA) Heavyweight Champion and World Boxing Association (WBA) International Heavyweight Champion, but was stripped of these titles after failing to respond to challenge

What is “international heavyweight champion”? Is a world boxing championship attributed to Williams? Does it mean Williams was the best non-American, non-actual world champion heavyweight? Or is it just a hype title?

Williams and Hamas:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/133088087/israelhamas-war-former-all-black-sonny-bill-williams-take-on-middle-east-sparks-outrage
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October 10, 2023 8:20am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sonny Dollar Bill.
  
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  October 10, 2023 9:32am
  - Swifty
    
    Sunni Bill Williams.
    
    ☪️
    
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    October 10, 2023 9:49am
    - Guy Preston
      
      Money Bill Williams.
      
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      October 10, 2023 12:27pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  God he was in the Arabic nation they had the Grand Prix last weekend, he had the cheek to be in pit lane
  
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  October 10, 2023 12:27pm
krazykiwi

Minto is an angry, nasty piece of work. The neuro-chemicals that his constant state of anger produces would kill most people, but he seems to live on much like the cockroaches who survive nuclear radiation.
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October 10, 2023 8:21am
- Simon
  
  Get used to unhinged left being promoted by MSM over the next few yrs to attack National. To create division in NZ & to make L G M look reasonable. National of course will continue to massively fund MSM.
  
  National will directly fund MSM who will promote people like Minto.
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:39am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    What utter rubbish
    
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    October 10, 2023 12:28pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Yep I predict no matter what stupid and wasteful virtue signalling National does on the climate (BS hypothesis), the lefty media will bang on about the made up “climate emergency” being so so dire we need to do MORE!!! MUCH MORE!!!
    
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    October 11, 2023 3:20pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  That is the best kk. Imagine him and Andrew Little in the same room. They would self immolate. And still survive.
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:42am
- John Loveridge
  
  Such is Minto’s sour personality that you’d think he’s been forced to eat nothing but cockroaches for decades.
  
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  October 10, 2023 12:40pm
Frank the tank

Random questions/observations for an idle Tuesday:

1). Has anyone fact checked Baker and Cos assumptions on an additional 20k of deaths – surely that would result in one of the worst death tolls per capita in the world. Did he borrow Hendy’s calculator?
2). I note that Mrs Robinson and the graduate (ala Barry & Wells) last night decided to have a pro-Palestinian piece after the News. This is of particularly bad taste.
3). Has our Former PM come out and denounced the terrorism in Israel or is she following the lead of her new employer (Harvard) and supporting the Palestinians? If the later does it mean the “Christchurch Call” only applies to certain types of extremism?
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October 10, 2023 8:27am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You can read the article here.
  
  https://journal.nzma.org.nz/journal-articles/continued-mitigation-needed-to-minimise-the-high-health-burden-from-covid-19-in-aotearoa-new-zealand
  
  The 20,000 is based on the mortality rate of USA during the height of their pandemic.
  
  New Zealand (resident population 5.185 million in 2022) had experienced the cumulative excess mortality of the US (3,739.3 per million) then we would have had around 19,390 excess deaths up to the end of June 2023. With the United Kingdom (UK) excess mortality (3,164.8 per million), we would have had around 16,410 excess deaths, or using the experience of Sweden (1,436.3 per million) we would have had 7,450 excess deaths.
  
  (There is no recognition that many of the USA covid deaths occurred in the opiate druggie community and amongst folk who could not afford medical care)
  
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  October 10, 2023 10:34am
  - Ehlana
    
    I would think you would need to look at mortality in a comparable population. Does the NZ mortality profile usually match that of the US? I would have guessed we might be more similar to the UK, given both countries have taxpayer funded medical care.
    
    Then, of course, you would need to allow for us being an island, where (eventually) the government realised it needed to close the borders. Sadly, it then seemed to waste the chance to improve health ahead of the inevitable arrival of this virus.
    
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    October 10, 2023 10:55am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I would think you would need to look at mortality in a comparable population.
      
      Of course.
      
      Basic 101 – Comparative Epidemiology, I would have thought.
      
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      October 10, 2023 12:27pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      Getting everyone down to a BMI of 25 (easy to do in 2-3 months) would have cut covid deaths by more than half (and seen a lot less people in hospital with other complaints). But govt didn’t have ball’s for that, even though they were happy to destroy the economy and everyone’s lives by doing far more intrusive things.
      
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      October 10, 2023 1:34pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/133088675/kiwibank-agrees-to-812500-penalty-for-overcharging-bank-fees-for-more-than-a-decade
Kiwibank Limited is a New Zealand state-owned bank and financial services provider.
So a state-owned bank is fined $812,500 and the money goes from one government entity into another !

What is the point of this fine ?
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October 10, 2023 8:29am
- Simon
  
  Ground work for attack by govt agencies against wider banking sector. Expect under National that banks for eg will be fined if they dont have enough Maori in senior positions for eg.
  
  ESG rollout by National will be backed by govt departments able to prosecute private companies which dont comply. Not just banking.
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:42am
  - Warren
    
    What a load of crap put your evidence up to prove your accusations.
    
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    October 10, 2023 10:39am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Again that is absolute rubbish
    
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    October 10, 2023 12:30pm
- Ehlana
  
  What is the point of Kiwibank? It’s whole reason for being was supposed to be to give the little people a fair go against those nasty Aussie banks. If it’s no better than they are, why have it?
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:58am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Because whenever some idiot politician (Willis and previous others) says the Australian-owned banks are gouging poor kiwi consumers and demands an inquiry, the answer is that Kiwibank could charge less, take all their customers, and still make a profit. The fact that Kiwibank can’t do that demonstrates the alleged over-charging is not actually happening.
    
    That is Kiwibank’s sole purpose at this point, but it is still quite an important function because bank overcharging is a lie that politicians like telling and voters are inclined to believe.
    
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    October 10, 2023 9:12am
    - Guy Preston
      
      Fair enough.
      Although it’s hard to not see Banks making record profits as anyone with a mortgage is paying for Robbo’s spending orgy…
      
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      October 10, 2023 12:32pm
  - kowtow
    
    They were the first bank here to drop cheques , following the lead of the govt of the little people , ACC and IRD.
    
    The other banks then followed .
    
    They are a vanguard for virtual currency .
    
    More state control and oversight .
    
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    October 10, 2023 9:14am
  - Taieri
    
    What is the point of Kiwibank?
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    The selection of the Young New Zealander of the Year Award recipient.
    
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    October 10, 2023 9:29am
  - edhunter
    
    The “nasty banks” as you call them actually have the choice of whether they want you as a customer or not. Strangely enough beneficiaries were often seen as less than desirable clients and so the “nasty banks” often declined to open accounts for them but govt agencies needed people to have a back a/c into which their benefit could be paid. The solution Kiwibank. I could be way off on this next bit but I believe Jim Anderton & his Alliance party had a huge part in it’s creation which also may explain a lot.
    
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    October 10, 2023 11:54am
- bjools
  
  I seem to remember at the time
  1. They promised to not close branches.
  2002…..211 branches
  2021……186 branches
  2. Promised ZERO fees.
  Hows that going now.
  As I said at the time,pleased to be proved right, Kiwi bank (the idea of) will always be nothing more than a skid mark on the pavement, compared to the other banks.
  
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  October 10, 2023 9:40am
Paulus

My Son has been advised by his Sydney Head Office that from 1st January all staff “will” come to the office 4 days a week, and they expect to phase out working from home later (except in specific agreed, in advance, circumstances).
Resignations must be in writing.
Obviously in Aus it may have been well rorted – not here of course.
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October 10, 2023 8:32am
- bjools
  
  Just after our release from covid. I spoke to a woman who worked for The Ministry of Conservation, she said they had been “working” from home 3 days a week. They NEEDED to hire 30% more people in order to cover the “work”.
  My thought, then you aren’t “WORKING” from home, are you.
  
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  October 10, 2023 9:44am
  - Cassandra
    
    My experience of my staff “working from home” is that not a lot of work gets done. But with some it’s good. If you can measure you can manage.
    
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    October 10, 2023 10:12am
    - John Loveridge
      
      My experience too.
      
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      October 10, 2023 12:43pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Similar to those Teachers who were” teaching” from home…
    Now Labour promises 2 MILLION free catch-up teaching hours for primary school kids.
    
    https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2310/S00005/two-million-free-hours-of-maths-and-literacy-catch-up.htm
    
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    October 10, 2023 10:14am
Surely Knott

Why the difference?
What are the publishing guidelines media are following?

Adam Michael Rapson’s (18 yrs old) ,the boy racer who killed his friend. His photo, a close up of his face and shame were displayed on the front page of our media for days. The article in the paper started with a description of his crime .

Compared to todays article:
Dray Yozaine Matthew’s (23) saw someone smashing cars. He got in his car, mowed down a person in a vigilante action, crossed the road in his car and sped up to hit him , reversed over him and drove off.

Dray’s photo is not in the paper. The whole article minimises the crime. The headline minimises the crime describing it as a hit and run. And the article begins with excuses and sympathy. “He hung his head low.” “And had no history of violence and no prior criminal record.”. His lawyer said he had “suffered as he lost his job as a merchandiser. ” Lawyer asked the judge to consider 2 cultural reports. Article says “This is a very sad case as we have such spontaneous and out-of-character offending”

Is the cultural reports the reason Drays deliberate crime does not receive justice of showing his true identity in the paper. Does the cultural report show he is part of a gang family.

Why do media get to decide such a key part of open justice.

And lastly the crime mowing someone down happened on Christmas 2020?!!! Why is it only in court now. Where has the criminal been while he waited for this to be heard?

Photo of Adam

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-front-page-the-re-emergence-of-boy-racers-in-canterbury/FSSCC4ZCBVGPNLIU6YFOFNMEJQ

No photo Dray

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/hit-and-run-driver-who-left-teen-on-blenheim-roadside-like-a-piece-of-rubbish-sent-to-prison/T5F4TI3DRZEMRKMUAZRMLBNYDY/
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October 10, 2023 8:32am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  I actually feel sorry for Dray.
  The 17 year old smashing up cars with an an iron bar as as he wandered the road was an example of ‘play stupid games – win stupid prizes’.
  
  Now the driver who struck him goes to jail, and when they say that the impact was at 50km, it doesn’t seem like he aimed to kill him. But he was using the vehicle as a weapon for sure.
  
  Like the dog walker thumping a car and the man with the sheathed sword striking at his head or neck, these are ALL people doing stupid things.
  
  Not sure why the sword person got HD for a nearly fatal injury, and this guy gets over 4 years in jail & losses his career.
  The youth with the iron bar was committing actual crimes and looking for serious trouble even more than a grumpy dog walker.
  
  And maybe that is part of it?
  Vigilante action are where we can really expect the Police and justice system to smash someone with the full weight of the law. While the police don’t always seem to be able to do what we consider their job, they surely will defend their patch around ‘taking the law into your own hands’.
  
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  October 10, 2023 1:12pm
Maggie Pie

Suddenly, Hamas has sent a txt to the Knesset saying they want to….. ‘negotiate’

Prime Minister Netanyahu: “Yeah? Nah”

https://twitter.com/Fxhedgers/status/1711446886760989050
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October 10, 2023 8:33am
- Vinicius
  
  Perhaps Sonny Bill Williams could be on the negotiation team for Hamas?
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:44am
- kowtow
  
  There’s a huge issue with “negotiating” with these animals.
  
  Israel swopped 1000 captured terrorists for one hostage soldier.Gilad Schalit. It is thought that many of those thousand , some of whom were murderers went back to terror . Indeed they could be firing the rockets and part of this latest outrage.
  That must be one of the reasons they took so many hostages , to get more of their own released .
  
  Does one do deals with evil ?
  
  Meanwhile there’s no shortage of prominent / professional types supporting the outrage . SB Williams one of them.
  
  Where’s the outrage , where’s the Disinformation Project , where’s the calls for “cancelling” or “debanking”. etc
  
  We know what would happen if the shoe was on the other foot.
  
  Our media still won’t call them terrorists .
  
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  October 10, 2023 9:21am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    An Australian came to these shores and did some horrid act and he is called a terrorist. I guess Hamas are like the old adage.. if you kill one man you are a murderer but if you kill one million you are remembered. Something like that I think.
    
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    October 10, 2023 9:32am
    - Jack5
      
      Blog-aholic’s …if you kill one million you are remembered.
      
      Does anyone outside Turkey today know of the “Young Turks” leaders who murdered 1.5 million or so Armenians, and murdered and expelled other Christians (Greek Orthodox and Assyrian Christians)?
      
      That was the point of Hitler’s alleged remark in August 1939: “Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?”
      
      (The poor Armenians are being driven from their homes again, this time by Azerbaijan Muslims.)
      
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      October 10, 2023 10:34am
      - kowtow
        
        Kemal Ataturk , hero to so many westeners because of the myth of Turkish modernity and secularity was a member of the Young Turks.
        
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        October 10, 2023 11:04am
      - Jack5
        
        Kowtow’s Kemal Ataturk …..was a member of the Young Turks …
        
        Ataturk seems to have been associated with the Young Turks early in his political life, but later distanced himself from them.
        
        An entry from Wikipedia quotes a front page article in the “Los Angeles Examiner”, 1 August, 1926. This reports Kemal Ataturk saying:
        
        “These left-overs from the former Young Turk Party, who should have been made to account for the millions of our Christian subjects who were ruthlessly driven en masse from their homes and massacred, have been restive under the Republican rule.
        
        “[…] They have hitherto lived on plunder, robbery and bribery and become inimical to any idea, or suggestion to enlist in useful labor and earn their living by the honest sweat of their brow…
        
        ” … Under the cloak of the opposition party, this element, who forced our country into the Great War against the will of the people, who caused the shedding of rivers of blood of the Turkish youth to satisfy the criminal ambition of Enver Pasha, has, in a cowardly fashion, intrigued against my life, as well as the lives of the members of my cabinet.”
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Turks
        
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        October 10, 2023 4:43pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Rob Muldoon was a Young Turk. Never had anything to say about Armenia, though.
        
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        October 10, 2023 9:07pm
imalwaysright

Could the knitting circle give some reasons as to why they dislike Minto ?
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October 10, 2023 8:34am
- bjools
  
  He’s a self aggrandizing, nasty little ass. That promotes violence, or at least makes excuses for it.
  Provided it opposes anything that is not of HIS political persuasion.
  
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  October 10, 2023 9:49am
- Arthur Fleck
  
  He’s a communist which makes him foolish and dangerous.
  
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  October 10, 2023 10:27am
- NothingLeft
  
  Evil communist/marxist who thinks it’s fine to let people suffer and die to further the cause of the glorious revolution, no matter how many 100 millions have been killed proving its unworkable flaws (always ends in murderously repressive autocracy).
  
  Revolutionaries like Minto are all wanna-be aristocrats (Sociopathic Narcissists).
  
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  October 10, 2023 11:18am
Maggy Wassilieff

Another Mongrel Mobster with a very chequered history providing wrap-around whanau care for youngsters.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/133087150/third-arrest-made-in-connection-to-alleged-child-prostitution-operation
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October 10, 2023 8:38am
- Surely Knott
  
  Another example were no photo of the criminals. Why the inconsistency. Breirly and Wallace were photographed and put in the paper for their sex offending. Why not this lot?
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:55am
- sirknz
  
  Why aren’t their iwi affiliations listed in the article?
  
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  October 10, 2023 9:07am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  They don’t mention any link to MM in the article?
  Useless journos or protecting the special people, or both?
  
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  October 10, 2023 1:23pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    No they don’t mention Mongrel Mob in the latest article… but run a google search on Clayton Fox and murder of Jordan Herewini 2009…and figure it out for yourself.
    
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    October 10, 2023 3:49pm
k1w1

So Hipkins has said we’ll see more of Cindy in the coming days… He really doesnt get the amount of seething that woman generated, does he.
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October 10, 2023 8:42am
- kowtow
  
  Is she back here ?
  
  How’s she travelling . I thought she said there was a climate thing going on . On the basis of that she wrecked a whole well paying industry ; oil and gas exploration and exploitation.
  
  These people are really dangerous and very hypocritical.
  
  Where’s the Disinformation Project .
  
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  October 10, 2023 9:25am
  - Taieri
    
    How’s she travelling
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    By kite?…
    
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    October 10, 2023 9:45am
    - Martonman
      
      Broomstick?
      
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      October 10, 2023 10:01am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Broomstick I believe.
      
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      October 10, 2023 10:02am
      - Taieri
        
        Broomsticks require jet propulsion, which may be taxed under the Labour Government fart tax proposals.
        
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        October 10, 2023 12:00pm
- Ghost
  
  I’d be surprised if she returns home, she may put a video out, it even that would be risky as she is toxic to the vote
  
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  October 10, 2023 9:37am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    All hail Jacinda (for 4 days)
    
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    October 10, 2023 9:46am
- Rusty
  
  @k 1 w 1
  
  Good idea. Cindys appearance will remind the undecided Kiwis why they are voting for change.
  
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  October 10, 2023 10:20am
Gravelroad

A rural legend gone:
Dr. Tom Mulholland, a New Zealand mental and physical health doctor, passed away on October 9, 2023. Dr. Mulholland was a well-known and respected person in the healthcare sector, noted for his commitment to fostering both mental and physical well-being.

Dr. Mulholland touched the lives of many people throughout his career through his medical practice, public speaking engagements, and writings.

Over the past 30 years Dr Tom Mulholland has helped hundreds of thousands of people globally, improve their mental, physical and social health and live their best life. Dr Tom left school in 1979 to join the New Zealand Forest Service and become a Forester. He discovered his passion was helping people, so completed a first-class honours degree in Molecular Genetics at the University of Canterbury, and then graduated with a Medical degree from the University of Otago in 1989.
Source: NZ Farming.
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October 10, 2023 8:48am
- Matt Long
  
  Sad to hear, I did one of Tom’s courses for Farmstrong some years ago, he was funny and informative.
  His books and courses are well worth reading.
  
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  October 10, 2023 9:03am
- plc
  
  I went to school with Tom and worked with him through school/uni holidays in late 70s/early 80s.
  
  Missed out on Med School first time but wanted it so much he took the long route.
  
  We fought like cats and dogs but he was fundamentally a good person with character.
  
  Ran into him in the late 80s and he was very content with his choices. Followed him from then on and clearly he lived a good life where helping others was paramount.
  
  Sobering to hear he has died. Another one taken far too young.
  
  RIP Tom
  
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  October 10, 2023 9:36am
Sparrow

Can somebody explain to this simpleton why the National and ACT parties are committing suicide. They were given the election on a platter by the present incompetent and divisive government. So instead of pointing out in clear terms the incompetency etc etc of Labour one decides to become a big man and start telling us all what he demands and the other lot running scared of an old coot on a horse with his driza a bone mac and aussie hat. Incompetency applies to both parties election campaigns unbelievable amateurs. Its given Labour and the media an open goal. Will have to wait and see if they have blown their chances or not.
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October 10, 2023 8:53am
- MCōs
  
  Reminds me of a RWC years ago when an argument broke out about who would pay for the ABs victory parade.
  They were knocked out in the quarter finals.
  
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  October 10, 2023 10:14am
Rusty

Are we having one election or two?

Luxon and Seymour should be focusing on their own parties policies not talking about Winston Peters and a possible second election.

Hipkins must be laughing over all this.
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October 10, 2023 9:00am
- Notsofast
  
  Two elections and a by election.
  
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  October 10, 2023 10:21am
  - Rusty
    
    @Notsofast
    
    It reminds me of extra time at the end of an 80 min RWC match.
    
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    October 10, 2023 1:25pm
Jimbo666

What ever happened to his coleader Trevor Richards?
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October 10, 2023 9:03am
- plc
  
  Pretty sure Minto was Judean People’s Front whereas Richards was People’s Front of Judea 9bloody splitters).
  
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  October 10, 2023 9:38am
  - bjools
    
    Nice….sneaking a Monty Python reference in.
    Yes it really is that stupid.
    
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    October 10, 2023 9:53am
- Rusty
  
  @jimbo666
  
  Is he still alive? I remember his barbershop moustache.
  
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  October 10, 2023 10:15am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  He went off to live in Paris.
  
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  October 10, 2023 10:22am
  - bjools
    
    Bet he didn’t get a job at Charlie Hebdo.
    
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    October 10, 2023 11:04am
- G152
  
  Who cares…..
  
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  October 10, 2023 11:04am
Matt Long

On a slightly lighter side here are a group of young men identifying as women to get jobs. I recently read that 90% of new hires in corporate America have been people of colour due to ESG and CRT policies. That makes things grim for white graduates.
https://x.com/WomenAreReals/status/1709436978754883769?s=20
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October 10, 2023 9:07am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Hiring based on woke-approved identity traits is bad for everyone. Everything gets dumbed down and more and more stuff turns to shit.
  
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  October 11, 2023 12:39pm
Matt Long

Football fans in Iran tell their government what to do with the Palestinian flag.https://x.com/daryadar_iran/status/1711106623605817807?s=20
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October 10, 2023 9:10am
oldpark

Wonder do NZs Commie Green Party still support the murderous murder gangs coming out of Gaza Palestine Precincts killing and raping all before them in Israel .
How the same terrorists executed 250 people at a music festival and fired over 5000 Missiles into that country .

Same psychopaths are threatening to murder women and children who they took as hostages.
Yet seems it was a cause for celebration in Australia by Greens and their supporters for the deaths and murders of so many innocents .
Yes bloody thirsty Green/Islamic Gangs were roaming around Sydney Opera House last night big time .Making Mayhem and destruction .
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October 10, 2023 9:10am
- NothingLeft
  
  I’m amazed at how soft a target Israel presented. All adults have served in military, but personal gun ownership is rare and those serving in military apparently don’t take guns home with them. Which is not how it used to be a few decades ago.
  
  That seems completely nuts in a country as threatened as Israel is by homicidal jihadists from all sides. Especially in areas bordering Gaza and West Bank where incursions are a real threat.
  
  They’ve just found another 100 Israeli bodies in a kibbutz – unarmed and murdered.
  
  I bet the death toll would have be ~10% if most Israelis had guns at home.
  
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  October 10, 2023 1:04pm
Maggie's partner

That’s some pretty ruthless campaigning from National in Port Waikato
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October 10, 2023 9:11am
Matt Long

Bi-election in Port Waikato and extra seat for National to be held 25th November
https://x.com/harrypeterson_/status/1711453018632355877?s=20
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October 10, 2023 9:13am
Matt Long

And TMP safe in Parliament, sadly, but most likely no overhang.
https://x.com/harrypeterson_/status/1711289375232045559?s=20
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October 10, 2023 9:15am
Matt Long

Plant based Franken burgers off the menu, to be replaced with regenerative farmed meat burgers. https://www.nrn.com/fast-casual/hopdoddy-burger-bar-adds-more-regenerative-meat-its-menu-it-removes-manufactured-plant
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October 10, 2023 9:17am
- Ehlana
  
  Regenerative seems to be what we used to called “organic” – without synthetic chemicals, hormones or antibiotics. And grass-fed, which in the US is apparently an exotic idea. Some of us actually grew up thinking all cows ate grass!
  
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  October 10, 2023 12:35pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

A good piece by Gordon Hayes.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/the-difference-between-a-racist-and-a-fascist/
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October 10, 2023 9:17am
Maggie Pie

Everybody we know finds it unbelievable, that members of both the Labor and Green Partys are all too willing to show their support for Palestinian Terrorists….(refer my GD post yesterday with the pic from Duncan Webb’s facebook)

This is a disturbing read….”What sort of murderous savages
parade the body of a dead woman thru the streets?”

https://plainsight.nz/i-want-to-amplify-their-hate/
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October 10, 2023 9:25am
- Matt Long
  
  Islamists, remember what Daesh did in Syria and Iraq, including video of burning a pilot to death in a cage.
  The Taliban and other factions in Afghanistan, Boko Haram in Nigeria.
  
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  October 10, 2023 10:48am
- NothingLeft
  
  Intersectionality – the enemy of my enemy is my friend. So Extreme Left Greens, Racist party and other Marxist radicals are in a in an insane one-way love affair supporting Murderous Misogynistic Religious Fundamentalists that would cheerfully slit their (and their children’s) throats or throw them off nearest rooftop depending upon their LGBTQWERTYUIOP-ness
  
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  October 10, 2023 11:10am
Ruahine

A bright young thing who knows everything has told me that after the election that Labour is going to win and 3 Waters is implemented all people with tanks catching rainwater will have to pay a levy for the use of the water.
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October 10, 2023 9:28am
- Sparrow
  
  My sickle is being sharpened. Remember the Tollpuddle Martyrs.
  
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  October 10, 2023 10:40am
- Paulus
  
  It has been suggested that we be charged for “water” on the basis of it being tolled as it enters the house, and again that which exists.
  
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  October 10, 2023 11:16am
  - Ehlana
    
    I think our water bills in Auckland charge for water used (based on amount entering the property) and a % of that for wastewater processing, on the basis that some water will not be returned through the sewers – e.g., the water used on the garden, to clean the house/car, etc. Seems a pretty sensible way to do it.
    
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    October 10, 2023 12:38pm
Scooter

An open letter to the leaders of National, ACT and NZ First. Here’s hoping they listen.

https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2023/10/mary-louise-kearney-democracy-real-reset.html?m=1
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October 10, 2023 9:45am
- Cassandra
  
  My experience of my staff “working from home” is that not a lot of work gets done. But with some it’s good. If you can measure you can manage.
  
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  October 10, 2023 10:19am
greybeard

It is probably my imagination but for some reason I think there are quite a few new commenters on this blog and they all seem to hate National and ACT.
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October 10, 2023 9:47am
- Arthur Fleck
  
  Reply from a new commenter who hates National and ACT. I also have loathing for the rest of the self-serving, duplicitous, weasels in every other political party.
  
  Forget left and right for a moment. The real battle is between people who want to be left alone and those who refuse to leave other people alone.
  
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  October 10, 2023 10:45am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Welcome to the resistance. Act are the only remaining party with any inclination towards small govt, far from perfect, but better than all others.
    
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    October 10, 2023 11:05am
  - Sparrow
    
    100% correct. Get out of our lives they are all control freaks
    
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    October 10, 2023 11:05am
- Raphael
  
  mmmm. I am not overly enthralled with National, although I do highly rate some of their MPs (Simeon Brown and Simon O’Conner leap to mind).
  I liked that ACT of old (when Rodney Hide and David Garret were party members). I seriously dislike Seymour and his policies, and will not ever vote ACT while he has any voice within the party.
  
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  October 10, 2023 2:44pm
SmokerGuy

I think National will win this election but they aren’t making it look easy! Wtf were they thinking taking out a full page advert about NZ First? They talked the left up as a coalition of chaos (rightly so) but are now trying everything they can (along with ACT) to convey the right as the same. I hate NZ First but like it or not they will likely have to deal with them and their strategy is just making it more likely. Do they think they will win more voters this way? People want stability, this will make voters nervous and the media are obviously not interested in scrutinising the left the same way so there’s a strong possibility all they’re doing is driving people back to Labour. I don’t have a problem with them saying they will work with them but it’s not the first preference (although they probably should have ruled them out 3 months ago) but they have gone way too far, absolutely poor strategy and I can’t understand what they think they’ll achieve by this approach.
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October 10, 2023 9:48am
- Vinicius
  
  National are giving Peters and NZF free publicity. Winston is lapping it up as if Xmas has come early. This second election talk is a real blunder.
  
  I do wonder who is advising Luxon. The Campaign Manager and who else? Bishop doesn’t impress me at all.
  
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  October 10, 2023 10:14am
Southern Raider

Just heard a KO house around the corner was full painted in June and the current tenant moved out in July as the house is about to be demolished as part of an urban redevelopment

And Labour claims there is no wastage
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October 10, 2023 10:19am
Observant Octagenarian

I wonder if the Greens and Maori parties have thought through their Wealth tax proposal. David Parker’s wealth tax ‘study’ was based on ‘unrealised capital values’. That means ‘an educated guess’.
What this really means is that every year, everyone will have to list all their assets with there current values, so the wealth tax can be calculated.
So a huge tax bureaucracy, a new valuation industry and a much enlarged Human Rights department to handle the objections against the IRD checking that you have listed all your assets.
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October 10, 2023 10:26am
- krazykiwi
  
  Forget the logistics.
  
  That is a side show.
  
  The nub of the issue is that is ethically and morally repugnant that a government should both tax the productivity of an individual’s labour, and then tax the wealth created by that individual through careful management of what the government failed to get their hands on the first time around.
  
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  October 10, 2023 10:57am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “careful management of what the government failed to get their hands on the first time around.”
    What a nice way of describing theft by stealth.
    
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    October 10, 2023 1:40pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Actually, it’ll most likely be done the way the IRD did their “study”.
  Houses etc will just use ratings valuations.
  Businesses will use industry specific profit multipliers + asset values. Profit multipliers is the best way because the value of a business is simply its future profits (which are taxable anyway).
  
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  October 10, 2023 11:33am
Maggie Pie

Because I dont vote I guess it doesn’t matter all that much.
But is there anyone else here, like me, that hasn’t got a f-ing cloo
how MMP actually works? None of the girls at tennis do either.

Just saying.
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October 10, 2023 10:30am
- peterwn
  
  It is complex behind the scenes, but simple for the user.
  The vote that really counts is the ‘party vote’ – this determines which major party governs.You can vote Labour (or Green if you like – not much in it) or you can vote National (or ACT). If you want to let Winston choose the Government and rule the roost you can vote NZ First.
  As for the ‘electorate’ vote you can vote for whoever you (and the girls at tennis) fancy. In most cases it does not make any difference as to whom governs (unless ‘overhang’ comes into play – but this is unlikely).
  
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  October 10, 2023 10:42am
  - JackRabbit
    
    If you want to let Winston choose the Government and rule the roost you can vote NZ First.
    
    No, peterwn, the voters choose the Government, I’ve never seen a minority party in Government rule the roost.
    
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    October 10, 2023 11:15am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      What a load of crap.
      Jacinda got in BECAUSE Winston went against his voters and choose her because she bribed him with the most baubles etc.
      The voters wanted National and NZFirst. Instead they got Labour + Greens + WinstonFirst.
      
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      October 10, 2023 11:27am
      - Ghost
        
        No, Winston went with jacinda because he would never work with English and he blamed Paula for leaking his pension. It was always obvious he would never let the person he blamed for getting the boot into being PM
        
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        October 10, 2023 11:34am
      - Dudley Quaffquaff
        
        Winston went with jacinda because he would never work with English and he blamed Paula for leaking his pension
        
        … and Jacinda gave him the baubles anyway, even though he’d have had to go with her without them.
        That’s how poor a negotiator she is
        
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        October 10, 2023 11:52am
      - JackRabbit
        
        No Libertarians are right
        
        That is the evil of MMP. I knew since I was 14 in the early 70’s that MMP was a socialist tool.
        
        If MMP was genuine, the majority party should select who it governs with, not the minor party.
        
        Bill English played hardball putting NZF in a devil of a choice. And Ardern gave him a political knee-trembler, telling him everything he wanted to hear – lies all of it.
        
        I didn’t vote for MMP, and urged others not to. But here we are.
        
        Winston may have chosen Labour, but only they reached a dead end with English, and it was an NZF caucus decision, not Winston’s choice by himself.
        
        But Winston was not responsible for what Ardern and Co did, in fact he blocked most of what Labour tried to do. You may have heard Hipkins using that fact recently in try to publicly trash a National/ACT/NZF calling it a coalition of Chaos.
        
        Winston is less than perfect, and I have never voted for him, so I’m not defending him or NZF for going with Labour, but Hipkins is right, Winston and NZF were stoppers. They put the brakes on every chance they could to stop Ardern and Co’s tyranny.
        
        If you want to blame something, blame MMP. Winston will be just fine in this election, being a fox in the hen house to refocus Luxon and Seymour on the Covid and vaccine tyranny that was a lynch pin in order to put NZ in a Covid declared state of emergency and fast track the takeover of NZ.
        
        In case you have forgotten, NZ is still in a Covid declared state of emergency, until November 2024. If we have another scamdemic in 2024 as Gates and Co are promising, Luxon, and probably Seymour will do exactly as Arden did. Luxon has already announced his intention to get vaccinations up to 95%. This is all vaccinations, and dollars to donuts he won’t be exempting the mRNA from that 95% target.
        
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        October 10, 2023 1:19pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Ghost, so utu decided the fate of NZ; personal animosity?
        Might be an explanation, and I think it was a mix of (A) shiniest offer and (B) grievance in any case: not mutually exclusive.
        
        The going with Labour does not reflect well on Winston/NZ First in any case.
        Nor those NZ First voters who have short memories. I voted for him on 2017. Never again.
        
        I surely hope Winston can put aside such flaws in his character if he does get into the same position again.
        If he can’t work calmly and productively with NACT then we are looking at one-term before Labour/Greens/Te Pati Maori is in the driving seat. Gag!
        
        Can NZ First work with ACT to roll back co-governance and the worse Treaty-principle narratives? Common ground there.
        Or will it be like the scorpion on the back of the frog parable that I mentioned not long ago, and we feel the stinger.
        
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        October 10, 2023 1:46pm
      - greybeard
        
        Jackrabbit:
        “If MMP was genuine, the majority party should select who it governs with, not the minor party.”
        My interpretation of MMP is that parties are included in Parliament if sufficient voters choose them, and then it is up to the various parties, large and small, to coalesce into a Government if they can settle their differences.
        Does it actually state anywhere that the majority party is given first dibs on forming a Government?
        
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        October 10, 2023 2:41pm
      - I remember when
        
        Sounds like a ‘coalition of chaos.’
        Strangely, never described that way at the time.
        
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        October 10, 2023 2:48pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Winston, Murfitt, Costello, Harvey et all, will not be the problem. Winston has promised stable govt.
        
        It will be Luxon and Seymour. Both are driven by fear, have big egos, and lack empathy, regardless of how it looks. Anyone, and in this case these two, who gaslight the public and tell vaccine injured and families of vaccine dead and 10,000 excess deaths, that is all in their head, they are ethically and empathy challenged.
        
        Stable govt is not just doing what the major party tells you to do. It is doing the right thing.
        
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        October 10, 2023 2:59pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @greybeard
        
        Just because something is not written in the letter of the law, does not mean it is not in the spirit of the law. A sign of intelligence is figuring out the spirit of the law, not only the letter of the law.
        
        There should be no ‘kingmaker’ however if there was to be one in the screwed up Marxist MMP, it should be the most popular party, not the least popular party.
        
        It is only egos that prevent all 120 MPs from putting aside their differences and doing the right thing by the voters, as you rightly point out.
        
        The problem is that MMP has further entrenched party politics.
        
        I would prefer to lock all 120 in small room, and lock the door, feed pizza and water through a slot and tell them they don’t get out until they drop the party shit, work together as individuals, and leave their egos in the basket by the door when they enter parliament.
        
        And to drop the party shit, we need to dump MMP, go back to electoral representation and NO political parties.
        
        All prospective MPs should be IQ tested, drug tested, and go through an HR system to prove they can do more than just pour milk on their cornflakes, or smoke weed and recite Karl Marx.
        
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        October 10, 2023 4:10pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I hope you are kidding.
  
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  October 10, 2023 10:50am
- krazykiwi
  
  Go and vote, Maggie. We are privileged to live in a country that gives you that right. Don’t squander it.
  
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  October 10, 2023 10:51am
  - kevn
    
    My Father and Uncles fought so you could. Vote. Two of them didn’t come back…
    
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    October 10, 2023 11:24am
    - Ghost
      
      No, they fought to keep this country free, and that also means a person freedom to make the decision to vote or not or who to vote for.
      
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      October 10, 2023 11:28am
      - MCōs
        
        At the time my father set sail in Dec 1939 NZ was not under threat. They were basically defending the Empire in a European war.
        Dad told me most of the guys saw it as a chance for adventure.
        
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        October 10, 2023 1:05pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Maggie, many women have been scathing in their criticism of me after I have carefully explained to them that the machinations of the MMP electoral system are far too complicated for the female brain to comprehend.
  
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  October 10, 2023 11:00am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I constantly remind hubby that he voted for MMP and not to whine when we get shit Governments with useless List MPs.
    
    I, of course, voted for STV.
    
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    October 10, 2023 12:37pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Tauhei, the machinations of the MMP electoral system are designed to be complicated so the average person does not understand, to give it some air of respectability and hide what it really is: A socialist tool, to allow unvoted and unwanted actors into Govt, to spread bullshit ideas and bring down democracy.
    
    MMP is even more party driven than FPP.
    
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    October 10, 2023 1:23pm
- Damocles11
  
  Why don’t you vote? Seems odd that you comment here but won’t vote.
  
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  October 10, 2023 11:02am
  - septic skeptic
    
    I have also abstained or voted informally, though not this time. For me, I need a party to reach some sort of minimum threshold to get my vote. I don’t believe in voting for the least of evils. I think doing so allows National to move further and further left in search of Labour voters, secure in the knowledge than their welded on support will accept centre left provided they get it delivered in a blue wrapper.
    
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    October 10, 2023 11:37am
- MCōs
  
  A whole lot of civic minded people vote in an election and & Winston decides who gets to run the country for the next three years.
  
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  October 10, 2023 11:06am
  - krazykiwi
    
    The best summary I’ve seen so far. Kudos, MCōs.
    
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    October 10, 2023 2:11pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  You should vote.
  
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  October 10, 2023 11:09am
  - Ghost
    
    Why? People should be more accepting of the choices others make, the party they vote for, the candidate or even if they make the choice not to vote. It’s their vote to use how they want
    
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    October 10, 2023 11:15am
- kevn
  
  Maggie… Just be guided by your partners choices.
  
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  October 10, 2023 11:27am
- H. Upmann
  
  This could be just the right moment to loose your voting virginity Maggie.
  
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  October 10, 2023 11:39am
- Rusty
  
  @Maggie Pie
  
  John Lennon once said he never voted in the general elections in his entire adult life.
  
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  October 10, 2023 1:29pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    He’s like me in that regard Rus.
    And bet he wouldn’t use that silly little ‘Food-Scrap-Bin’ either.
    
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    October 10, 2023 1:43pm
    - Rusty
      
      Maggie, right on!
      
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      October 10, 2023 5:51pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  MMP is now not the way it was described to me when we voted for change
  
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  October 10, 2023 1:41pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  You’re just out to press Steve Todd’s buttons, Maggie
  
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  October 10, 2023 9:15pm
Blog-aholic

Everyone eligable should vote.
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October 10, 2023 11:38am
- Libertarians are right
  
  No
  Everyone eligible should make an informed choice, then vote.
  Big difference.
  
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  October 10, 2023 1:13pm
Gulag1917

Israel rejects Egypt intelligence official’s claim that nation ignored warnings of ‘something big’
https://nypost.com/2023/10/09/israel-ignored-warning-something-big-was-coming-egyptian-official/
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October 10, 2023 11:51am
- Gulag1917
  
  https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-intelligence-official-says-israel-ignored-repeated-warnings-of-something-big/
  
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  October 10, 2023 12:34pm
surfing

https://nopunchespulled.com/2023/10/09/truth-telling-from-julian-batchelor/

Here’s essentially why the majority of Maori don’t do well, and mostly likely never will.

This explains why poor immigrant Asian families with no English quickly outperform most Maori. Despite Maori families having greater rights and privileges than non-Maori New Zealanders.
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October 10, 2023 12:05pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I did read that on the Stop Co-Governance website/blog.
  Strange that a certain group can’t handle the ‘truth.’
  
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  October 10, 2023 2:05pm
ecco

Will follow with interest the Ilam electorate on election night. Manji from TOP is going the student/social media route I heard on newstalk zb news this morning. Which is what got Whanau in in Wellington in the last local body election. (had never heard of Whanau until friends with millenial daughters said pre the local body elections, they were all voting Whanau due to the huge social media campaign).

As I found out the other day TOP is not popular on this site 😂. But for millenials struggling to make ends meet and wanting to buy a first home the TOP policies resonate with them. Of course no one on this site is worried about buying a first home or for that matter making ends meet.

Anyway I could be wrong. National might come through really strong in Ilam. At any rate would be good to have more than one party in the dutch auction…
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- Libertarians are right
  
  TOP plays to the Left, not the Right.
  The better Manji does, the more likely National will win the seat.
  
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  October 10, 2023 1:12pm
- Guy Preston
  
  Of course no one on this site is worried about buying a first home or for that matter making ends meet.
  
  It’d take sweet FA more inflation on food and fuel for me to start loosing sleep at night, so speak for yourself. And Notionals “back pocket boost” of $25 a week isn’t going to make everything a box of fluffies either… $125 a week on the other hand would smooth things out quite a bit.
  
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  October 10, 2023 2:38pm
Simon Ford

Whose Land Is It? Palestine Or Israel? A 1982 Documentary Looks At This Issue With Old Footage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfkUE5Q0K04
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October 10, 2023 12:43pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  There was a land war fought against Israel. Israel won = their land.
  
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  October 10, 2023 1:11pm
- Inandout
  
  SF, my goodness that Lebanon guy looks the spitting image of Justin Trudeau/Castro. Otherwise a good video.
  
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  October 10, 2023 1:21pm
- JackRabbit
  
  It is a bit like NZ. It all depends how far back you look as to who owns the land. And the more humble the “owners”, the more likely that they will tell you that no-one owns the land, and that they are merely caretakers or custodians of the land for everyone to share and use.
  
  The Palestine / Israel conflict at its core has nothing to do with land. It is to do with the business of war.
  
  If you are the manufacturer of weapons, and you are supplying both sides or supplying one side and mates with those that supply the other side, it is a lucrative business.
  
  Even better if you can funnel $US into Ukraine for weapons that then find their way to the middle east.
  
  Even better still, if in tying up the area in war, it allows someone else free reign to look for oil deposits.
  
  Follow the money.
  
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  October 10, 2023 1:31pm
Maggie Pie

Just back from tennis practice.

I raised the MMP question again with some of the girls over lunch. None of them seemed any the wiser, eventhough they all said they’d be voting on Staturday.

Then my doubles partner muddied the waters even further!
Prue wanted to know….. what would happen (God forbid) if Winnie passed this week. Would that mean another seat for National?
As she said, he’s already ruled-out working with Labor or the Greens.

Honestly, it’s no wonder we’re all so confused 🙁
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October 10, 2023 1:37pm
- Ghost
  
  Since he’s only a list mp it wouldn’t change anything.
  
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  October 10, 2023 1:44pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    But Prue reckoned the poor Act guy that passed away was only a list MP as well. Yet the news is saying about it being an extra seat fot the Natz.
    
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    October 10, 2023 1:55pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      The ACT guy was contesting the seat of Port Waikato as well as being on the list.
      
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      October 10, 2023 2:03pm
thirteenstars

Sky News: Hamas’ Head of Political and International Relations has told Sky News that no civilians have been killed by the militant group.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egipqa0ZhUk

This is a glimpse into the conduct of evil.
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October 10, 2023 1:55pm
- I remember when
  
  Their rockets obviously headed for Israel with clear instructions that they were not for civilian targets.
  
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  October 10, 2023 2:28pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    In the first five minutes he says they killed no civilians because everyone in Israel is an occupier and therefore in a state of aggression against Palestinians. That is, all civilians are combatants.
    
    It’s the coloniser argument combined with the Hamas ideological imperative that Israel must cease to exist. That’s what they mean by “from the river to the sea”, the Jordan to the Med. Jew-free. Judenfrei.
    
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    October 10, 2023 2:57pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  This is like the jihadi idea that nobody is an innocent victim, if they were not a faithful Muslim. And even when Muslims kill Muslims in terror attacks (like in Europe) then the fanatics can tell the grieving families that their relative are at least martyrs – albiet not having had a choice.
  
  So, no civilians killed if you see all the hated Jews as occupiers & invaders of Palestinian land.
  
  This is of course from a people that had a jihadi Mikey Mouse TV character to make sure that hatred of Israeli people starts from childhood.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrow%27s_Pioneers
  “….We will return the Islamic community to its former greatness, and liberate Jerusalem, God willing, liberate Iraq, God willing, and liberate all the countries of the Muslims invaded by the murderers…” {squeak}.
  
  Hilariously, the mouse character (Farfour) was later said to have been beaten to death while under Israeli interrogation.
  Fast forward, and those kids are grown up.
  You really can’t co-exist with a hate-filled people that want to you dead.
  
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  October 10, 2023 3:10pm
Maggie Pie

And now this!

The poor Jews aren’t even safe in Sydney anymore 🙁
Last night they lit up the sails of the Opera House in the colors of the Israel Flag.

Look who turned out….

https://twitter.com/DrewPavlou/status/1711339532074066015
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October 10, 2023 2:04pm
- kevn
  
  Maggie… Masked up ‘n all. So brave.
  
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  October 10, 2023 4:41pm
Warren

Surely there is a poll tonight from one or the other major TV Stations as it seems it’s all about them and there choice of Political Party they want running New Zealand.
It makes me laugh when I hear Journalists or Reporters distributing there views and hatred for our politicians, because we can’t call them names like they have done with Chris Luxon, so let’s hope if we get a change of Government that they have learnt that it is not about them it is what the Country wants.
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October 10, 2023 2:05pm
- lifesgood
  
  Remember “whatever we say, whatever we do the polls aren’t moving” Sue Bradford’s daughter. They will keep trying to the bitter end and then, come Sunday they will start the relentless sniping and bitching about the new government. It is all so predictable and tiresome.
  
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  October 10, 2023 3:09pm
I remember when

Voting against disinformation: Siouxsie Wiles. Stuff
Includes this gem –
First, we need to recognise disinformation when we see it and call it out.
In this election, political candidates are spreading disinformation about everything from climate change to Maori and transgender people.

I presume it is disinformation and not just a difference of opinion.
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October 10, 2023 2:24pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  To the left a difference of opinion is disinformation.
  
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  October 10, 2023 3:09pm
- graham
  
  Hmm. Seems like there is a bit of an orchestrated campaign going on to push the Dangers of Disinformation ™. Last night saw The Disinformation Project’s chief conspiracy theorist Kate Hannah on One News claiming that anti-Maori sentiment and racism is on the rise. She dragged Stop Co-Governance into it, and went on to claim that it’s Maori women who are being targeted. Because apparently no other politicians in the entire country are ever subjected to abuse or name-calling. //sarc
  
  She also made the rather bizarre insinuation that the people behind all this supposed “racism” are the same people who were “talking about vaccines two years ago”. The inference being quite obviously that “anti-vaxxers” are now turning their attention to abusing female Maori politicians.
  
  Every time I hear the MSM talking about conspiracy theorists, I can’t help but muse that the majority of actual conspiracy theorists appear to be well-entrenched in the media and organisations like Kate Hannah’s little hobby-horse. And they get paid for it!
  
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  October 10, 2023 3:30pm
- kevn
  
  I rem… pinky would well advised to read this.
  Guy Hatchard spelling it out with all the proof one would need.
  https://preview.mailerlite.com/f3y1b2q4w7/2322373567825582852/f8h9/
  
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  October 10, 2023 8:11pm
I remember when

Are Maori indigenous?

Yes, like all of us, indigenous to the African continent.
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October 10, 2023 2:34pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Back to the Great Rift Valley with you!
  
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  October 10, 2023 9:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Jesus H Christ.
I just been to a place where there are a lot of disturbed people.
Not going again for a while. I think it is called ‘The Strandard.’
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October 10, 2023 2:43pm
- Vinicius
  
  Steve, you need to have a full detox after going over there!
  
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  October 10, 2023 2:52pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Well I’m going to have a shower soon. Does that count?
    
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    October 10, 2023 3:32pm
- alex Masterley
  
  You should bathe in disinfectant after visiting such places.
  
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  October 10, 2023 2:59pm
- bjools
  
  Don’t worry, I believe stupid isn’t catching.
  Incurable….but not catching.
  
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  October 10, 2023 4:51pm
Maggie Pie

In the words of the venerable Sean Plunket….

“I’ll leave this here”

https://twitter.com/SeanPlunket/status/1711497301875933479
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October 10, 2023 3:48pm
- kevn
  
  Maggie… I wonder if the girls ran the text past the men first. That’s how it goes I gather.
  
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  October 10, 2023 4:40pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Gazans (and other Palestinians) have chosen to breed like crazy to create a horribly over-populated cauldron as a means of prosecuting their conflict against Israel in absence of military power. It’s cynical, relying upon their enemy being more humane and ethical than they are, and creates vastly increased suffering amongst their own people, but might be effective in the long run.
  
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  October 10, 2023 4:43pm
- bjools
  
  Isn’t fly tipping illegal?
  
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  October 10, 2023 5:00pm
Warren

One Now seems to think Maori are being hard done by misinformation and anti Maori sentiment that is on the rise.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/10/09/exclusive-new-report-shows-anti-maori-sentiment-on-the-rise/
Nothing about the lies this Labour Government have used to get 16.8% of the population 50% of the vote in what happens in this Country.
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October 10, 2023 4:05pm
- graham
  
  Yes – and as I posted above, none other than The Disinformation Project’s chief conspiracy theorist Kate Hannah is behind this. Weirdly, she has made the rather bizarre statement that the same people who dared to actually exercise their democratic right to speak out against the horrific vaccine mandates, are now the leading lights behind this supposed racism.
  
  She further claims that they are seeking to “drive division, radicalise individuals and communities, and harm Aotearoa New Zealand’s social cohesion.” I have news for Ms Hannah – the Labour Government is well ahead of any mere individuals on that front.
  
  What I want to know is, how can I get a job like Kate Hannah, where you actually get paid to be a conspiracy theorist?
  
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  October 10, 2023 4:31pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  No, you have it wrong.
  16.8% of the population will have 8.4% of the vote of what happens in the country.
  A tiny minority of “elite” Maori would get the other 50%.
  
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  October 10, 2023 4:39pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Good that you have seen http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi Warren.
  All of this started in 1975 with the Waitangi Tribunal and the NEW Treaty.
  48 years of careful, quiet planning.
  
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  October 10, 2023 5:21pm
bjools

The policies Labour are pushing.
GST off fruit and veg,

Their own working group on Tax said it would have little or no impact.

Free dental up to age 30
Should not be counted at this election, as it won’t kick in till after the next one. But here goes
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/09/the-estimated-cost-of-extending-free-dental-care-to-adults-revealed.html
$148 mill….3 years ago
Closer to $200 million with inflation and still sounds a bit light and non specific as to whether it is FULL COVER.
“Free” prescriptions. MAX $100 per year ie less than $2 per week and zero from most.
National tax adjustments:…
to save working people around $40 per week…NOW.
So guess it’s less than $5 per week, compared to $40 per week.
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October 10, 2023 4:45pm
- Prince
  
  Thanks bjools, a reminder of what the Media is hiding from us.
  
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  October 10, 2023 7:30pm
Ghost

Looks like the rumours the last few weeks have become reality. Kennedy is better off being an independent

Republicans attacked Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on Monday as the longtime environmental lawyer and anti-vaccine activist launched an independent bid for the White House, reflecting growing concerns on the right that the former Democrat now threatens to take votes from former President Donald Trump in 2024.

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October 10, 2023 6:36pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Too sane by far to be a Democratic nominee
  
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  October 10, 2023 9:00pm
igm

How About Some of this MSM:
https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/10/10/secret-deals-made-for-11000-jab-exemptions/
Answers would be nice!
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