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The Redbaiter

Many NZ voters were betrayed in the 2017 election when their vote for NZ First, which they thought would stiffen National’s spine, was instead used to appoint Labour to govt.

Voters were similarly betrayed in 2020 when they shifted their support to Labour only to discover after the election that the party had been captured by a militant separatist “Maori” faction.

So what nefarious outcome do voters have to watch out for in the coming election? IMHO it’s the liklihood of Mr Luxon’s green left National forming a confidence and supply agreement with the Marxist Green Party.

Recent polling (Verian on TV One) gives the Greens enough seats to outnumber ACT and NZ First. A CS agreement between the Nats and Greens would provide a govt of 62 seats and Labour ACT Maori and NZ First all sitting outside with a combined total of 58 seats.

Why would Luxon do such a thing and how could he justify it? Easy. Firstly, the Nats today buy into so much green left bs they are virtually the Green Party anyway. Mr Luxon could easily justify his actions by stating ACT and NZ First are just too “far right” and he had no option. He is making noises on this already.

A CS agreement where the Nats promise to do what they can to mitigate climate change and reduce emissions and the Greens get to sit at the govt table with little input into other aspects of govt would probably be quite acceptable to both parties.

It is notable that in recent interviews both Davidson and Shaw have both been pressed on an agreement with the Nats and have steadfastly refused to rule it out. AFAIK Mr Luxon has not ruled it out either.

As a second option the Nats could bring in ACT but use a CS agreement with the Greens to keep NZ First out. Given Mr Luxon and Mr Seymour’s clear disdain for Winston this arrangement should not surprise anyone who is paying attention. It would also provide Mr Luxon with a negotiating buffer against the ACT policies he opposes.

Its past time the media pressed Mr Luxon to state his position on this issue. If they will not, then voters have to go to Luxon’s public meetings in numbers and ask him themselves for a rock solid commitment that there will be no CS agreement with the Greens.

NZ voters need to go to the polls with clarity on this issue, or they could easily be betrayed for the third time in three elections.
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October 4, 2023 8:01am
- peterwn
  
  “NZ voters need to go to the polls with clarity on this issue” – Yes, vote National or ACT. What did Redbaiter have in mind?
  
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  October 4, 2023 8:31am
  - The Redbaiter
    
    Peterwn- “What did Redbaiter have in mind?”
    
    Well, for one thing if Mr Luxon refuses to rule out a CS agreement with the Greens, voters could give their party vote to ACT or NZ First. Thereby ensuring Mr Luxon had no reason or opportunity to join forces with Jimmy Shaw.
    
    A man Mr Luxon has frequently expressed his regard for at least as often as he has expressed his disregard for Winston.
    
    Luxon has also stated the policies ACT sees as deal breakers are unacceptable to him. Yet has not said how these differences will be resolved. Why not?
    
    Possibly because he and little greenie Nicola, who happily joined the Green Party on the steps of parliament in encouraging school kids to strike for climate, have their back-up plan in place already. A CS agreement with the Greens.
    
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    October 4, 2023 12:49pm
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      ANYONE who wants NZ to change for the better long-term needs to party-vote ACT or NZF. There won’t be any significant pushback against neo-Marxism unless ACT and/or NZF have the numbers to force Luxon’s hand.
      
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      October 4, 2023 2:39pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Pope. a non-evidenced comment asking the reader for blind belief!
        
        Similar to the method your namesake used to control the masses and steal their money.
        
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        October 4, 2023 2:53pm
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        You want evidence Mr. Hanley? Look at the Nats’ track record – how much pushback was there during Key’s 9 years? Did Key limit the DPB to one new child per woman (excepting multiple births of course)? Did Key throw out the previous government’s ridiculous anti-smacking ban? Quite the opposite. Key got into bed with the racist so-called Maaori party, signed us up to UNDRIP, and brought radical gender ideology into our schools via the Trojan Horse of “Mates n Dates”.
        
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        October 4, 2023 3:20pm
      - Damocles11
        
        Agreed, except for the ‘or NZF’ part.
        
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        October 4, 2023 4:02pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Now I know why you make non evidenced baseless claims.
        
        It is because you don’t really know what you’re talking about.
        
        Calling vital elements of a liberal democracy neomarxist (looking after our vulnerable, equal rights, antiviolence and anti discrimination) takes you back to blind belief.
        
        Perhaps you should stick to catholicism because…
        
        You really shouldn’t be making political recommendations to others.
        
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        October 4, 2023 4:44pm
      - mawm
        
        Mark – explain why sneaking Pita Sharples off to NY to sign UNDRIP when Key had NOT campaigned to do so is a vital element of liberal democracy.
        
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        October 4, 2023 5:44pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        MAWN. Using emotive words like “sneak” instead of hard referenced facts is straight out of the Labour propaganda playbook e.g., “climate change is our nuclear free moment”, “be kind”, “housing crisis”, etc.
        
        Here is Key “sneakily” announcing NZ government support for UNDRIP on the parliamentary web site…
        
        https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/national-govt-support-un-rights-declaration
        
        including the key principles of UNDRIP for NZ.
        
        Many of the rights in the Declaration have been enjoyed in New Zealand for years. For example the Declaration includes rights of indigenous peoples to:
        
        full enjoyment of all human rights and fundamental freedoms without discrimination (Articles 1 and 2);
        live in freedom, peace and security as distinct peoples (Article 7);
        practise and revitalise their cultural traditions and customs (Article 11);
        practise and teach their spiritual and religious traditions (Article 12);
        participate in decisions in matters that affect their rights (Article 18);
        improvement of economic and social conditions without discrimination (Article 21).
        
        Does support for the Declaration change the Treaty settlements process?
        
        The Treaty settlements process and the goal of settling all Treaty claims by 2014, remain in place.
        
        Will Māori get a veto right on government decisions?
        
        The Treaty of Waitangi continues to be the basis for the Crown-Māori relationship. In some instances this does involve mutual agreement on proposals, notably Treaty claim settlements, but right of veto is not conferred.
        
        I’M SICK OF NZ VOTERS BEING FED EMOTIONAL RUBBISH.
        
        THAT IS HOW WE GOT ADERN!
        
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        October 5, 2023 6:45am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “A CS agreement where the Nats promise to do what they can to mitigate climate change and reduce emissions and the Greens get to sit at the govt table with little input into other aspects of govt would probably be quite acceptable to both parties.”
  
  I don’t think that this would be acceptable to the Greens. Climate change policy is now a secondary issue for them. They are essentially a communist party. If National were to concede on policies like rent controls and a wealth tax, National support would collapse.
  
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  October 4, 2023 8:37am
  - Cinematic
    
    I don’t think it’s even a secondary issue for them. They’ve become so obsessed with identity politics they see nothing else these days.
    
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    October 4, 2023 9:10am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Luxon has ruled them out, end of story
    
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    October 4, 2023 9:44am
  - The Redbaiter
    
    Benedict Yu- “I don’t think that this would be acceptable to the Greens”
    
    Why haven’t they ruled it out then? And I do not share your view of the Greens as principled martyrs. They are a gang of shallow in-it-for-themselves grifters who would cave in on what they purport to believe in without a qualm if they were offered the baubles of office.
    
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    October 4, 2023 12:35pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Change every instance of the word “betrayed” with “stupid” and your post starts to make a little sense.
  
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  October 4, 2023 8:41am
- Mark Hanley
  
  Luxon has told voters, including the ironically named redbaiter, his preference is an act National government.
  
  Instead of baseless “in my opinion” posts, how about some referenced FACTS?
  
  E.g. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-winston-is-in-national-leader-christopher-luxon-will-pick-up-the-phone-to-nz-first-leader-winston-peters-if-he-really-needs-to/E6RAY7PNDNFALHD2PRVVQDYR74/
  
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  October 4, 2023 8:42am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Luxon ruled Greensbout about 18 months ago, as I remember he said they are nutjobs and there is absolutely nothing they could agree on, redbaiter telling his usual hatred of Luxon as usual
    
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    October 4, 2023 9:47am
  - The Redbaiter
    
    Mark Hanley- “his preference is an act National government.”
    
    Of course his preference is an ACT National govt and if everything works out the way Mr Luxon hopes, then that is what we will get.
    
    However I am not talking about that.
    
    The scenario I have outlined above relates to what might happen after the votes are counted and Mr Luxon finds ACT and NZ First have more votes than he thought, and want more from negotiations than he is prepared to give them.
    
    That is when we will find out what the reality is.
    
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    October 4, 2023 5:24pm
- Simon
  
  National are climate change bed wetters. No one here can deny this. MMP is a horrible system that has failed NZ since introduction. So the questions raised by RB are valid. Not to be dismissed by National types. National threaten NZ with anti-NZ rubbish net zero. Its on that Luxon card. The threat by National against NZ is explicit.
  
  The Gweens are bolsheviks who survive through fake branding the dripping wet clowns who vote for them. Gween MPs though are the most bone idle grifters in parliament. As thats going some.
  
  For Gween MPs there is only risk going with National. It will upset their cozy arrangement of pushing unworkable fake shit that will never be put into practice. In exchange for very easy six figure remuneration well beyond their means in the real world.
  
  Ironically the only people starry eyed for the Gweens are National and some of the Gween voters. The Gween MPs themselves are onto a good thing and will not upset the apple cart.
  
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  October 4, 2023 8:48am
  - Bloody Dago
    
    Here’s the proof that old grey bastards are way ahead of the Gweens clowns. So, goosestep back to your dung heaps and suck in the pong:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAEhhYqMEBE&list=PL6IZPmNXtujxa-jMJsb5czyFekTqWLg6S
    
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    October 4, 2023 3:18pm
- Damocles11
  
  Luxon has ruled out the Greens. So I reject the premise of your trolling comment.
  
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  October 4, 2023 8:54am
  - cmm
    
    Nicola is a massively Green Blue (or Blue Green or whatever).
    
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    October 4, 2023 11:37am
- lifesgood
  
  Really?!!! In your dreams.
  
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  October 4, 2023 9:25am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  No no, not reading any further, Luxon has ruled out working with greens, your hatred of Luxon and Nats is noted, but of course you are one of the usual suspects that seeds bollocks about the Nats
  
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  October 4, 2023 9:43am
  - coge
    
    Still it’s very clear Luxon has, and is wishing to further his credentials, as a Climate Leader. And for those of not onboard with that are climate deniers. By his own volition.
    
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    October 4, 2023 4:49pm
- Philview
  
  Matthew Hooton made the same allegation the other day. Are you the same person? I assume National want to be in power for more than 3 years and following the path of least resistance in this case will see them booted out quickly if they don’t roll back Co-Governance. It is going to be intimidating but the issue has to be confronted. The media are saying this is a nothing election but we know that is misinformation.
  
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  October 4, 2023 9:49am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Funny you should mention Hooten, because he seems to have the same pathetic hatred as the usual suspects here who are ACT voters, Hooten is working for ACT, and now we find out Brooke Van Welden has worked for Hooten, and then we get the usual suspects spouting his same crap.
    
    Now tell me the hatred to Nats is not organised, as I have stated for a year or more
    
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    October 4, 2023 10:47am
    - wilderbeast
      
      Take a chill pill man, your pro National paranoia knows no bounds.
      
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      October 4, 2023 10:58am
    - Trev
      
      I think you’ll find Hooten works for various/any parties that will pay. If he is currently working for ACT, I doubt that he works for ACT exclusively. If it is any consolation Hooten has often been proved wrong in the past. IMO I agree that this Green – Nat thing will not happen and is just hot air.
      
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      October 4, 2023 11:12am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        He has been quite clear he is working for ACT, I am not talking about his passed, I am saying he is spouting the same shit as the usual suspects are saying here
        
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        October 4, 2023 12:11pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Hooten works for the Hooten party.
      
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      October 4, 2023 11:53am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Which at present is Act
        
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        October 4, 2023 12:11pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Where is your evidence Hooten works for Act now?
        The fact that Brooke worked with him the past means nothing
        
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        October 4, 2023 12:24pm
    - Bobba Fret
      
      Remember Hooten thought that making Todd Muller the leader was a good idea!
      
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      October 4, 2023 12:12pm
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        Yes, a damning indictment.
        
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        October 4, 2023 2:40pm
    - blue collar
      
      Every party has its good n bad points . A lot of us are voting Nat and Act brother G ,
      Both parties have some great policies , nats bring experience and capability in its people , Act a mixtur with a seasoned core and a charismatic leader .
      The future looks bright and the 2 week slow-slip landslide has begun !!
      Let’s hammer these labour mongrels at the polls,
      Carn NZ , give ‘em their medicine !
      
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      October 4, 2023 6:59pm
- thirteenstars
  
  I said this a few months ago, semi-seriously, as Luxon’s views around climate became obvious viz the re-education of Maureen Pugh, killer cyclones hunting down innocent Kiwis in the form of Gabrielle, Net Zero in which we impoverish ourselves for nothing while China and India emit and get wealthier, etc.
  
  The scenario is unlikely but that it’s even a possibility is a warning and if the Nats go for a Teal alliance it’ll be because Luxon and large parts of his caucus are sold on Net Zero, they loathe the guts out of both Seymour (jumped-up, vote-filching little shit) and Peters (boo, hiss, arch nemesis), and it’ll be a grand virtue signal to dazed and confused Millennials.
  
  I expect the Greens would also be OK with Luxon’s idea to hold a referendum on renaming the country to Aotearoa New Zealand since it wastes millions and is super nutty.
  
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  October 4, 2023 10:39am
  - coge
    
    I refuse to vote for National under Luxon, as he regards skeptics like myself, as ‘climate deniers’
    
    Also he worked hand in glove with the Ardern covid doctrine in early 2022. Vaccine passports, general segregation, dehumanisation and economic persecution. My conscience simply won’t allow me to vote for anyone who endorsed such things against the people of NZ.
    
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    October 4, 2023 2:26pm
- rouppe
  
  Except the greens aren’t an environmental party. They are a Marxist social engineering party
  
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  October 4, 2023 10:48am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  People aren’t voting National with the expectation that they’ll go with Greens on Climate Change issues.
  Both parties have told us they’re not going to work with the other.
  Same applies to the suggestion of a National/Labour grand coalition.
  
  If people wanted to be uncertain about the makeup of the next government they’d vote NZ First.
  
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  October 4, 2023 11:42am
- Paulus
  
  It is considered that many former Labour voters will either vote Green or Winston just to upset National and Act, but not vote Labour again as Cinderella has flown – they would vote for her again anytime (women that is ).
  
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  October 4, 2023 1:33pm
  - Damocles11
    
    I reckon a fair few from the Left will vote for TOP as well.
    
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    October 4, 2023 2:03pm
- sparkhole
  
  I’d love a Green/National coalition for a change. It could be a really nice balance. What have we got to lose? If Luxon could pull that off his mana would rocket sky high. I bet such a government would last 12 years.
  
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  October 4, 2023 4:59pm
Frank the tank

Polling has been suspiciously silent/quiet – are there any due soon?
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October 4, 2023 8:05am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  Roy Morgan should be very soon, thats the only one I read.
  
  TV1 tonight, unbelievable.
  
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  October 4, 2023 8:28am
  - pdm
    
    I think Roy Morgan will be the interesting one.
    
    I would expect Verian to mirror its last two polls.
    
    Didn’t I see on Monday someone here was polled by Curia so probably they will be in the polling mix too.
    
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    October 4, 2023 9:04am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Last few TPU about the 10th
      
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      October 4, 2023 9:53am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Due end of Sept, don’t think they will deliver one, I bless it’s coming next week
    
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    October 4, 2023 9:53am
- rockape
  
  To ought, one news.
  
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  October 4, 2023 8:37am
- Grunter
  
  Roy Morgan will be out any day – IMO that’s the one to watch as they were the most accurate 3 years ago
  
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  October 4, 2023 8:43am
- Damocles11
  
  Opinion polling should cease as soon as the polling booths are open. Our democracy is falling apart, imo.
  
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  October 4, 2023 8:56am
- Mrs_Right
  
  Yes, Verian poll out tonight on One News.
  
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  October 4, 2023 9:05am
- MCōs
  
  End of next week
  
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  October 4, 2023 9:22am
  - MCōs
    
    The polls prior to the last election were several seats adrift for both major parties
    
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    October 4, 2023 1:38pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  One news tonight, I note no Morgan poll at end of Sept, I guess TPU about the 10th October
  
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  October 4, 2023 9:48am
- cmm
  
  I got phoned by Curia on Sunday.
  
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  October 4, 2023 11:38am
- waikatosinger
  
  The real polls are now open. At what point does political polling stop for the election. Asking the question as someone who genuinely does not know and is interested in the answer.
  
  The danger of push polling at this late stage must be clear to all. This is especially so under MMP where whether or not a particular party is likely to make the 5% threshold is going to be an important aspect of election calculus for many people.
  
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  October 4, 2023 12:22pm
  - Damocles11
    
    Yeah, here’s a scenario: voting has started, person x was going to vote for TOP, the news poll shows TOP is still under the threshold….”I’ll switch my vote to Labour”. As I said, democracy is getting undermined
    
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    October 4, 2023 2:06pm
peterwn

“KiwiRail says there’s a funding shortfall for the Interislander replacement project, but the government has given it options to ensure work can continue.” – Businessdesk

With this and ferry sailings being affected by weather, it looks like a Cook Strait tunnel could be a practicable alternative.
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October 4, 2023 8:07am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Hahahaha!
  
  Gosh, a Labour government business case goes hugely wrong…. again…..
  
  Who would possibly have imagined that an SOE like Kiwirail would tell porkies about a huge investment project?
  
  So the questions now are:
  
  a) will the new ferries actually arrive?
  b) will they be safe to operate?
  c) will the port facilities at each end be capable of handling them?
  d) if you can’t actually run rail onto the ferries for the first decade, was buying rail ferries such a good idea?
  e) shouldn’t these issues have been addressed in the business case?
  f) who is responsible, and are they going to resign?
  
  Bwuhahahaha! Silly ol’ deity, its only taxpayers money.
  
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  October 4, 2023 8:30am
  - RoboRob
    
    Like most govt projects they likely knew the original costings were a massive underestimate, thats the ‘suck’ that govt uses to get buy in.
    
    Take the Wellington town hall.
    
    2022 reporting NZ Herald
    ‘Since the Town Hall was declared earthquake-prone and closed in 2013, the cost of the work has grown from $43m, to $60m, to $90m, and then to $112m in 2019’
    
    ‘After the inclusion of some issues relating to the neighbouring Municipal Office Building and internal costs, the total budget in 2019 was $145.3m’
    
    RNZ Oct 2023
    
    ‘The council said the $182 million project could cost an additional $70m-$147m to complete’
    
    Note RNZ reporting says it was a 182m project. So it must have risen from 145.3m to 182m between 2022 reporting and 2023.
    
    So what was sold to rate payers as a $43m project is now a ~329m excluding additional increases.
    
    This isn’t a one off and happens with almost every govt project. Sell it to consumers cheap and then slowly move it to what they knew was likely the real cost.
    
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    October 4, 2023 9:02am
    - Taieri
      
      Like most govt projects they likely knew the original costings were a massive underestimate, thats the ‘suck’ that govt uses to get buy in.
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      Not really. Shipbuilding contracts are binding. Once the contract is signed, the price does not change unless there’re changes to the specifications, i.e. the vessel design changes. It is unlikely that the latter will apply to the iReX project as the contract was signed in 2021 and no changes to the initial design have been reported so far. There’re usually penalty clauses included, so that any delays are charged to the yard.
      In my view, the only problems that are likely to occur will be during the commissioning as these vessels are prototypes, with some very innovative technology.
      
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      October 4, 2023 10:55am
      - RoboRob
        
        You obviously know more about ship building than I, not hard 🙂
        
        So if the quote is binding, how can there be a funding shortfall? Does that mean Kiwirail agreed to (say) 50m but now dont have the cash to pay?
        
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        October 4, 2023 11:26am
      - Taieri
        
        So if the quote is binding, how can there be a funding shortfall?
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        A good question. Normally, a shipping company would finance a new building either from its own resources, by raising a loan or a mixture of both. A typical finance agreement will see a formation of a separate company which acts as a borrower, this will then borrow the required funds pretty much the same way as one would borrow to purchase a house, i.e. mortgaging the ship to be built and repaying the loan over the period of time. But Kiwi Rail is not a shipping company, it is a state owned enterprise that owns ships. Being a state owned enterprise it goes to the government of the day with the begging bowl. And this is exactly what happened. According to their website: “The $400 million contribution in Budget 2020 has enabled KiwiRail to go out to international tender to build the new ships, which are intended to arrive for service in 2024 and 2025”. So, if there’s now a funding shortfall it means that the government decided that it is not going to provide the required funds in full after all and Kiwi Rail will have to go to the commercial ship finance market. But, can a NZ SOE raise a commercial loan? I don’t know. It will be interesting to see how all this will play out. Changing the terms of the contract is possible, but it won’t be cheap as it means redesigning the vessels, which will considerably delay their entry into service.
        
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        October 4, 2023 12:02pm
      - RoboRob
        
        @Taieri
        
        Awesome explanation, and as expected. So the long and short of it is that Labour said ‘you have $400m go buy a boat(s)’ and now that Kiwirail needs the moeny to pay Labour are saying ‘Ooops forgo to put that asside for you, go get the money elsewhere’.
        
        Sounds exactly like Grants finiancial ability. It also further increases my fear that the govts figures are much worse than we know.
        
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        October 4, 2023 2:29pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  I’m no expert so would welcome input and correction but I would have thought Cook strait too deep and seismically unstable for an economically viable tunnel.
  
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  October 4, 2023 8:49am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Correct
    
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    October 4, 2023 8:55am
  - David Garrett
    
    Stella: You are quite correct. I am assuming Peterwn – being a well informed chap – is simply taking the piss.
    
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    October 4, 2023 8:59am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I don’t think that the depth of water is an issue.
    
    I am sure a tunnel is technically possible. The show stopper is the astronomical cost.
    
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    October 4, 2023 9:00am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      McGillicuddy Serious Party once campaigned on cutting the hills down behind Karori, and filling in Cook Straight – got my Vote!
      
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      October 4, 2023 9:14am
      - David Garrett
        
        The deity: I hope you have grown up since wasting your vote on a joke party….literally a joke party; that was their raison d’etre.
        
        Back in the sensible world, I have just gone and voted at the NZ High Com in Nuku’alofa. Despite Seymour’s recent hubris and silly statements about “bottom lines” it was two ticks yellow for me.
        
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        October 4, 2023 10:29am
      - madamezucchininz
        
        ……..there’s enough silt from the Hawkes Bay to fill in the Cook Strait now…. lol
        
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        October 4, 2023 10:54am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        Hi David, iy was 1990, either labour post David and Roger, no thanks, or Jim bolger, another hard no! It still makes me feel better having a meaningless protest vote than for either clown show.
        
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        October 4, 2023 11:47am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        And they were keen on carpeting motorways as well. And having mounted Knights as our army.
        
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        October 4, 2023 3:02pm
    - James Stephenson
      
      Check a geological map Benedict. You’re talking about tunnelling through an area with a network of faults linking the subduction zone of the East Coast with the strike-slip of the Alpine fault. Anyone fancy being in it during an earthquake?
      
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      October 4, 2023 9:31am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Yes I am aware of the seismicity. I am not an engineer. However my understanding is that tunnels tend to do OK in major earthquakes if they are built accordingly. Look at the Lyttleton tunnel – right next to the epicentre in 2011 – only cosmetic damage.
        
        Japan has the Seikan Tunnel in an active earthquake zone under the seabed. – 54 km. Connects the railway between Honshu and Hokkaido.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seikan_Tunnel
        
        So it looks like it can be done – but I agree – I would not want to be under Cook Strait in an earthquake. 🙂
        
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        October 4, 2023 5:04pm
    - I remember when
      
      BY:
      Imagine the cost of all the ‘reduce speed’ signs.
      
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      October 4, 2023 9:58am
      - Taieri
        
        Imagine the cost of all the ‘reduce speed’ signs
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        All in Te Reo no doubt…
        
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        October 4, 2023 12:05pm
    - artemisia
      
      Yes, astronomical cost. But what about the benefits? Could be a better ratio than some projects proposed or paid for with OPM.
      
      Wild seas and weather at times, for sure, but there are some massively long bridges and causeways over water in the world, much longer than Cook Strait. Could be a bridge option, or part bridge part tunnel?
      
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      October 4, 2023 4:34pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Stell,
    
    Definitely possible as long as kiwi planners and contractors are restricted to being spectators.
    NZ is becoming the equivalent of two physically separate countries because of the weak Cook strait transport link.
    A tunnel would be an extremely valuable asset for the country.
    Here is an example of a tunnel through the Alps of similar length.
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/31/worlds-longest-tunnel-to-open-in-switzerland
    
    The cost is about 10 years old, but at the moment we are being quoted similar money for a harbour bridge of about a kilometer in length.
    The key is to get overseas contractors to build it and put a toll on to pay for it.
    
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    October 4, 2023 9:15am
    - cmm
      
      A tunnel would be an extreme engineering challenge. This is not as simple as the channel tunnel for many reasons:
      
      At its deepest point, the channel tunnel is only 75 metres below the surface. The Cook Straits are far, far deeper with various channels going over 500m deep. Going around those would make for a much longer tunnel.
      
      The bottom is much less stable.
      
      Earthquakes.
      
      No doubt the taniwha would also say no.
      
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      October 4, 2023 11:48am
      - Taieri
        
        No doubt the taniwha would also say no.
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        Nothing that an appropriate koha can’t fix…
        
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        October 4, 2023 12:08pm
    - bennerg
      
      Denmark & Germany also getting into the game with an 18Km underwater tunnel:
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwkytAsOhbs
      
      Due to be completed in 2029. The construction consists of prefabricated cells that sit on top of the seabed. Seems someone was working for Lego?
      
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      October 4, 2023 2:37pm
      - cmm
        
        The Fehmarn Belt is only 20 to 30 metres deep. Half the depth of the channel and only about half the length too.
        
        Almost no currents and almost no earthquake risk.
        
        Kiddie paddling pool compared to the Cook Strait or even the channel tunnel.
        
        It’s even easier than doing a tunnel from Lyttleton to Diamond Harbour.
        
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        October 4, 2023 4:46pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Waka Kotahi practicable? Who are you trying to kid?
  They can’t even fix potholes.
  
  Hang on, we’ll get a working group formed. See you in 10 years.
  
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  October 4, 2023 8:49am
  - cas
    
    has anyone noticed that after Waka Kotahi fix potholes the road surface is more uneven than it was before. 4 patches in a row on our State Highway have been fixed and when you hit them at 100 ( which we are still legally allowed to do) you start to slide over the road. Locals know to slow down now.
    
    Hey that’s a thought ,perhaps they are doing it deliberately to slow us down.
    
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    October 4, 2023 9:03am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Better put some road cones around them.
      
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      October 4, 2023 11:02am
  - RoboRob
    
    They should have let those guys and Land Transport handle it. I think the Waka Coathanga guys are still trying to find Aoteroa on a map.
    
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    October 4, 2023 9:06am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Yes those chaps in Transit NZ and then NZTA knew how to build stuff. This Waka Kotahi is a bit shit. Wonder what happened?
      
      Woke does appear fatal to competence!
      
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      October 4, 2023 11:49am
      - RoboRob
        
        Lol, funny how even when they were using english names they kept changing them.
        
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        October 4, 2023 2:31pm
      - kujira
        
        Thats what you get when you employ 400 new PR staff to tell us everything is good and HR staff to teach everyone Maori, but employ no one to do the work!
        
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        October 4, 2023 2:46pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      [Use the proper name]
      Not a Mod sorry 🙂
      
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      October 4, 2023 5:47pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Incorrect Steve, they won’t form a working group until the have organised a committee to undertake a feasibility study to form a steering group to look into the possibility of a working group. But they will make the major announcement that they are announcing an announcement sometime in the future.
    
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    October 4, 2023 3:05pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      That was beautiful. And so true.
      
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      October 4, 2023 3:44pm
      - blue collar
        
        Was thinking the same …. Nailed it brother vino !
        
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        October 4, 2023 9:13pm
- Master Mariner
  
  The new building costs of the new hybrid diesel electric ferries are astronomical.
  You get 6 new build conventional ships built for the same price.
  I dont believe it will go ahead, at least with a accurate cost analysis.
  All rainbows and unicorns.
  
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  October 4, 2023 10:08am
  - Taieri
    
    I dont believe it will go ahead, at least with a accurate cost analysis.
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    You are right as far as the astronomical costs are concerned. But breaking this contract now would also be very costly.
    I have some doubts as to the wisdom of maintaining 2 vessel only fleet as well. There’ll be no spare/reserve capacity for considerable time if one of them have to dry-dock (even with UWILD, it will be every 5 years). Sydney’s Garden Island is often not available, which leaves Singapore and that’s another 28 days just for steaming.
    
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    October 4, 2023 11:08am
- cmm
  
  ” funding shortfall”
  
  That’s socialist code for: we can’t keep to our budget and our service is too shit to charge the consumer what it costs.
  
  So to pretend they have a viable business it needs to be subsidised. Other businesses must be made more marginal, and some will fail, to keep the fiction going.
  
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  October 4, 2023 11:41am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  As I commented yesterday, the ferry companies are becoming fair weather-only firms.
  
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  October 4, 2023 6:51pm
Captain Mainwaring

Sharon Murdoch this morning ……….. words fail me.
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October 4, 2023 8:14am
- Frank the tank
  
  Wait till after the election. It will be so much worse.
  
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  October 4, 2023 8:25am
- Biscuit
  
  Agreed, Captain…
  
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  October 4, 2023 8:26am
  - pdm
    
    The good thing about Politics is that it keeps people like Sharon Murdoch away from Ranfurly Shield dramas.
    
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    October 4, 2023 9:07am
- bartybart
  
  get ready for 9 years of anti luxon vitriol from this sort of animal and similar types
  
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  October 4, 2023 8:36am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Going to be harder when there is no “public interest” journalism funding?
    
    Oh, silly me, of course National will continue to fund their media enemies and the luvvie class – it would be rude not to….
    
    Remember when Key attended the Silver Scrolls? Oh how we laughed with Cindy at the winning band singing about killing Key and raping his daughter, a real highlight.
    
    At this point, RNZ and TVNZ should be offered as subscription services, I am sure the countless public servants and retired primary school teachers will be only too happy to fund them directly.
    
    Creative NZ and NZ on Air won’t be missed either.
    
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    October 4, 2023 8:50am
    - Mark Hanley
      
      Great solution deity.
      
      National are taking on two challenges which have never been attempted or conquered in my life time.
      
      House prices and gangs.
      
      So don’t be surprised if they are willing to listen to and enact simple practical and easy solutions to “cut wasteful spending”. *** A euphemism for cutting off Labour hierarchy corruption.
      
      So please send your suggestions through to National and ACT.
      
      I wonder whether we can come up with a mechanism to direct KBers efforts towards more solutions and then to harness the power of the KB crowd to get solutions enacted!
      
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      October 4, 2023 10:23am
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        The Nats are taking on gangs? Do they plan to bar gang members from Kainga Ora housing? Might be a good start. The gang lifestyle needs to be made less attractive.
        
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        October 4, 2023 2:44pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        @Pope Yep. And the biggest form of gang funding is the bennie. Is that going to be cut off, with commando-style security contracted and deployed to local WINZ offices?
        
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        October 4, 2023 3:47pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Best ignored. I never see them, I won’t subscribe.
    
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    October 4, 2023 8:51am
  - BananaLlama
    
    NZ Media will turn feral and tell us what evil people we all are then cry that no one reads their publications, that the government needs to take money from New Zealanders and give it to them because we prefer to read “fake news” on social media instead.
    Complete narcissists we would be better off without them.
    
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    October 4, 2023 9:24am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Labour’s Journo bribing fund is the least of the problem. Labour more than doubled govt advertising to $125 million a year – funnelled to Labour friendly outlets barely anyone watches or reads.
    
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    October 4, 2023 9:46am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Yes, fail indeed. Not even original. Then again it is on par.
  
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  October 4, 2023 8:44am
- Damocles11
  
  Her daily cartoon might just as well be a red background over which the words I HATE NATIONAL – PLEASE VOTE LABOUR are scrawled. And the same goes for Emmerson in the New Red Herald.
  
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  October 4, 2023 8:58am
  - David Garrett
    
    Damocles: That is an appalling “cartoon”…not remotely funny or witty; cartoons are supposed to be one or both.
    
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    October 4, 2023 10:39am
- I remember when
  
  Words fail Captain – ability fails Sharon!
  
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  October 4, 2023 9:21am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Oh, it’s a new one.
  It’s quite funny at the moment as they haven’t actually had a new one every day. Sometimes they’re lasting 2-3 days at the moment.
  I think it’s probably because, while the ones that make it are terrible, they don’t breach the election rules but the ones that get turned away must do so.
  
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  October 4, 2023 9:36am
- Philview
  
  I recall from school days reading how the media in Nazi Germany used to lampoon opposition voices to Hitler through cartoons. Stuff’s daily cartoons remind me of that and using the same tool for ideological propaganda.
  
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  October 4, 2023 10:59am
ClanMcleod

If ever there was an example of the law of unintended, but totally predictable consequences, this is up there.

Drivers Shocked as Insurers Quote Over £5,000 for Electric Vehicles – if They Insure Them at All
(Loved the pun!)

Driving an electric car should be a win-win, saving money and the planet. So David was shocked when the insurance on his Tesla Model Y came up for renewal, and Aviva refused to cover him again, while several other brands turned him away.

When David did secure a new deal, the annual cost rocketed from £1,200 to more than £5,000.

“My insurer was Aviva from July 2022 to July 2023, but when it was coming up for renewal, I received a letter stating that they would not be covering the Tesla Model Y any more,” David says. “I am a member of a Tesla U.K. owners forum, and lots of other people seem to be having the same issue.”

In the Facebook group, members share stories of horror renewal quotes, with increases ranging from 60% (up to £1,100) to a staggering 940% (a jump from £447 to £4,661, according to a screengrab shared by one driver).

Who could have predicted that??? /s

A couple of footnotes:

Stop Press: Britain’s biggest motorway service station provider has brought in marshals to police “charge rage” among electric vehicle drivers battling for access to plug-in points, according to the Telegraph.

Stop Press 2: The Telegraph reports that John Lewis has stopped offering insurance to electric car drivers amid fears over the cost of repairs.

This is all totally predictable. Event the dimmest midwit, policymaker must have thought about the potential downsides of pushing people towards EVs.
The only conclusion is, the policy is to remove vehicles from the road completely. Only the very wealthy or ‘special’ people like politicians will be allowed personal vehicles.
The rest will have to switch to the horrendously poor and increasingly dangerous public transport.

That won’t end well.

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/09/30/drivers-shocked-as-insurers-quote-over-5000-for-electric-vehicles-if-they-insure-them-at-all/
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- imalwaysright
  
  Clan
  This is good to see.
  Insurance companies deal in reality . Ideology is too expensive.
  
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  October 4, 2023 8:23am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Indeed. It is the same with the covid numbers.
    
    A couple of days ago, virtualmark was scathing of my referencing Ed Dowd, former Blackrock portfolio manager’s data showing alarming increases in deaths, particularly in young people, suggesting next time I need medical help I contact Dowd.
    
    virtualmark either deliberately avoided the point or was to stupid to realise what it was – the data is from insurance companies. They have no interest in politics. Dollars are their bottom line. Their data highlighted a major health issue.
    
    What was initially an observation is now measurable: young people, in the prime of their lives, are dying at unprecedented rates. Ed Dowd, a former BlackRock portfolio manager and data analyst, has highlighted a concerning surge in cardiovascular deaths in the UK — and the numbers are alarming.
    
    https://vigilantfox.substack.com/p/ed-dowd-drops-devastating-report
    
    Whether you do or do not believe the jabs are dangerous, the alarming data worldwide is long past the levels that should see the jabbing programme immediately halted and the ‘vaccines’ removed from market pending a thorough investigation into the cause of these deaths.
    
    The fact this isn’t the case is an indication that many complicit people and companies in positions of great power and influence, do not want to see this happen.
    
    For many it could literally be their Mussolini or Ceaucescu moment. There will be many millions of extremely (and justifiably) furious people if it turns out the jabs are not what they were sold as.
    
    Expect to see more ‘jersey changing’ and scapegoating as the rats head to the ship rails.
    
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    October 4, 2023 9:00am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Clan
      
      The Ceaucescu moment will at least give lamp posts a purpose when the power goes down.
      
      On the excess deaths, last year I listened to an American who provided life insurance for companies employees. He said that the death rate in men aged 35 to 55 had increased by nearly 40%.
      To give context, he said 10% was unheard of and would only be expected during a worldwide conflagration such as major natural disaster or war.
      
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      October 4, 2023 9:27am
      - mawm
        
        imalways – That was Ed Dowd. He was highlighting the group life insurance industry which has traditionally targeted the “healthiest” demographic – those of working age who are employed. This he said was a 20 sigma (as far as I can recall) event.
        
        Dowd has also pointed out that the US government figures show an enormous increase in those who have become disabled and can no longer hold down a job.
        
        These numbers remain hidden from the public and those who are not prepared to sift through the incredible amount of b/s surrounding covid and the “vaccines” will still pop up from time to time on GD displaying their ignorance.
        
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        October 4, 2023 6:21pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      As you and I know, It was the insurers ringing the alarm bells early on with hard facts in excess deaths mostly younger customers and life insurers.
      They had the most too lose.
      
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      October 4, 2023 10:17am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        MM – yup, ‘narrative control’ is relatively easy with enough money behind it. Real data like that provided by insurance companies is harder to bastardise.
        
        Follow the money, every single time.
        
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        October 4, 2023 10:40am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Time was when we trusted data from our government or from respected international bodies such as WHO, ahead of that from hated multinational insurance companies.
      
      O tempora! O mores!
      
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      October 4, 2023 7:01pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Yup, actuarial calculations are hard to fudge, even with government funded “science” involved.
    
    So electric cars are next to impossible to repair, and have an increasing tendency to self-immolate, taking their surroundings with them…
    
    No, no problem nothing to see here.
    
    Wait until the electric buses and ferries start burning their passengers to death, that will be quite difficult to hush up!
    
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    October 4, 2023 9:18am
- David Garrett
  
  Clan: Very interesting. It is surely only a matter of time before NZ insurers follow suit?
  
  Electric cars may well go the way of steam powered ones – yes, there were such vehicles in the early 20th century before ICE’s became the default option for convenience reasons.
  
  Another fun fact: petrol was initially a dangerous by-product of refining crude oil. What was wanted was kerosene, which replaced whale oil in lights
  
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  October 4, 2023 8:42am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Steam cars had a few downsides. Needed a bit of time to get up steam. Atrocious fuel economy ….
    
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    October 4, 2023 8:47am
    - David Garrett
      
      Ian: Actually they were surprisingly quick to get up steam. I guess carrying around sacks of coal for fuel would have been a major disadvantage.
      
      My point of course is that history is replete with initial advances that were overtaken by better ones: think DC vs. AC electricity. Rocket powered fighters vs. jets.
      
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      October 4, 2023 8:52am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        Steam vehicles were also quite heavy, which was bad for bridges, oh and if not maintained properly, had a nasty habit of killing people around them in the shrapnel blast. Superheated steam at high pressure will do that.
        
        Other than that, very cool, I will always go to a traction engine and steam lorry display.
        
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        October 4, 2023 9:21am
      - Flossie
        
        Video to DVD to streaming. Telegrams to faxes to email to X and so on.
        
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        October 4, 2023 9:21am
      - David Garrett
        
        Flossie: Quite so…I was trying to think of other examples, but couldn’t….brain not functioning too well this early.
        
        Faxes are a great example. When I was at law school 25 years ago, faxes were very new. My supervisor for my honours dissertation suggested examining offer and acceptance by fax in contract. Twenty five years later, the fax has been totally superceded by email.
        
        Cheques for payment are another good example – except up here in Tonga where the primary means of exchange is by cheque – except down at the High Court, which only accepts filing fees in cash.
        
        I have suggested that they move into the 20th century and accept cheques – asking them to join us in the 21st is too big a jump – but to no avail.
        
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        October 4, 2023 10:46am
      - Ghost
        
        When I was a kid we had a telex machine, damn that seems do ancient now
        
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        October 4, 2023 10:50am
      - RalphT
        
        David, actually 25 years ago fax machines were not a new thing – they were invented around the time of the Franco-Prussian war of 1870 (and were used during that conflict). To be honest they were incredibly impractical mainly due to their enormous size and fell out of use.
        
        Nevertheless I appreciate your point but was surprised that such a keen student of history as yourself wasn’t aware of this fact…
        
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        October 4, 2023 12:06pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        sacks of coal for fuel
        
        You can run it off oil of course. But the fuel economy is atrocious. A consequence of the second law of thermodynamics
        
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        October 4, 2023 6:44pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Butler gets it ready for you.
      
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      October 4, 2023 9:01am
    - I remember when
      
      The big rollers in the front made travel slowish…
      
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      October 4, 2023 9:26am
  - JerJer
    
    We are going to end up using hydrogen. Lots of work going on in the area now, Ford, Toyota and others. Everyday people are not going to stand around for ages waiting for batteries to charge up. Unless it can be done in five minues, the technology is useless.
    
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    October 4, 2023 9:05am
    - Ian Boag
      
      There aren’t any hydrogen mines. It is just a way of storing energy. A few problems ..
      
      Transmitted in a steel pipe or held in a steel pressure vessel you get something called “hydrogen embrittlement”. You can figure what that is.
      
      A CNG cylinder (remember CNG?) that held enough CNG for (say) 100 km would hold enough hydrogen for 12 km. Avogadro’s Law.
      
      Mere details ….
      
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      October 4, 2023 10:48am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        Indeed, other than that Herr Zeppelin, how was the flight?
        
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        October 4, 2023 1:15pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Incorrect Ian. BMW already have a hydrogen powered car that can do 500km on a cylinder. Check the BMW iX5 Hydrogen. The hydrogen powers an electric motor.
        
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        October 4, 2023 3:11pm
      - kevn
        
        iboag… Better pass on your Intel to Toyota, Ford and the others.
        I mean, what would they know?
        You clearly understand much deeper than they.
        Share it.
        
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        October 4, 2023 3:30pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        IVV – the “up to 500 km” BMW relies on 10,000 psi (600 atmosphere) hydrogen cylinders. Wouldn’t want to be anywhere on top of one of those in a crash …
        
        CNG cylinders topped out at 3000 psi …
        
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        October 4, 2023 6:49pm
    - Random T Person
      
      Governments are just about the only ones ‘investing’ in hydrogen as an alt fuel. Ask yourself why that is.
      There are clever people in ‘business’ tucking stupid people in ‘government’ like has happened since forever.
      
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      October 4, 2023 11:03am
      - JerJer
        
        Didn’t know Ford, Toyota, Hyundai, BMW and VW were the government, and this does not count the truck companies running trials now, or the Indian companies already making Hydrogen vehicles. Yes, there are problems with new technology. Hydrogen problems will be solved. EV battery problems won’t be. So, they are just a gimmick really until the real solution arrives. You will see.
        
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        October 4, 2023 11:34am
      - Random T Person
        
        JerJer why do you think those companies are running H trials? because the governments incentivise them to do so, silly. Well I remember working with a big electricity utility which had all kinds of solar and wind shit going on (around 2004) which was just there to keep the journalists and the idiot public happy, while they were the biggest burner of coal on the entire continent. Still are.
        
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        October 4, 2023 11:47am
    - Taieri
      
      We are going to end up using hydrogen.
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      Once we decolonize thermodynamics anything will be possible…
      
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      October 4, 2023 11:11am
      - Random T Person
        
        Spot on Taieri.
        
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        October 4, 2023 11:51am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Yes Taieri.
        
        Ye cannae change th’ laws o’ physics Cap’n.
        
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        October 4, 2023 1:06pm
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Not a hope, the craters in the road caused by a small shunt or a tiny leak, will scare off the punters. Still at least the accidents will self-clear. Finding body parts hanging fron surrounding trees and in house gutters might be a bit traumatizing though?
      
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      October 4, 2023 1:18pm
  - peterwn
    
    There were electric cars in early 20th Century (Grandma Duck had an electric car in the 1950’s comics). The only suitable battery technology was the lead acid battery and when the batteries wore out it was more economic to scrap the cars (and vans) than to replace the batteries.
    
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    October 4, 2023 9:15am
  - NothingLeft
    
    EVs have at least an orders of magnitude less fires than petrol cars, but when they do have a fire the cost is often an order of magnitude higher.
    
    Insurance data suggest about 25% higher cost for repairs of EV’s, and a lot more time spent in the shop.
    
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    October 4, 2023 9:49am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Noth,
      
      I think the insurance companies are nervous about the public liability component of vehicle insurance .
      Losing a $50k tesla is part of doing business . But if the tesla lights up everything around it and takes longer to extinguish then the public liability could be millions.
      
      The other problem for insurance companies is the willingness of the manufacturer to effectively unilaterally write off the vehicle by refusing to certify it through software support even though it can be successfully repaired.
      
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      October 4, 2023 1:14pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        I read a comments from a firefighter saying that putting out a petrol car fire typically took a couple of firefighters 15minutes and maybe a few thousand litres of water (internal storage of truck). Putting out an EV fire took up to 12 hours constant monitoring, many 10’s of thousand of litres of water, 10-20 firemen, hazmat breathing apparatus and several appliances, and is far more likely to happen when parked in a garage than for petrol.
        
        It doesn’t happen much but when it does it can easily spread to doing huge collateral damage.
        
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        October 4, 2023 1:34pm
    - Local Miller
      
      Citation needed. With still relatively few EVs compared to ICE cars we need to see the relative numbers to compare.
      You also need to take into account the significant number of electric scooters that are spontaneously igniting. And that’s where the problem with EVs sits, ICE cars don’t spontaneously ignite, they are occasionally an issue in or after an accident.
      
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      October 4, 2023 4:37pm
  - cmm
    
    DG: There were electric cars (and steam cars) in the 1800s (ie 19th C) before ICE cars arrived on the scene.
    
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    October 4, 2023 11:51am
    - kevn
      
      Nothing… Think ships carrying EV’s for instance.
      
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      October 4, 2023 3:31pm
- kevn
  
  Clan… Hope I am wrong but.
  In order that EV owners can insure, ICE car owners will get punished with much higher premiums, so subsidizing the EV’s insurance cost.
  Keeping the EV ‘dream’ alive.
  
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  October 4, 2023 9:01am
  - JerJer
    
    Nah. The premium will apply to EV owners only. Same as trying to insure a house in a hill on a fault line. They pay the premium, not the guy in a less risky area.
    
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    October 4, 2023 9:07am
    - kevn
      
      Jer… My contents insurance has gone up over 30%. No claims, not high risk area just insurance companies recouping after East Coast, Hawkes Bay weather events.
      
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      October 4, 2023 10:23am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Kevin – read my follow up post down thread discussing just that problem.
    It’s a post from el Gato Malo who is on point as usual.
    None of this is science, it’s ideology being used to make some people very rich.
    
    The poor saps gluing themselves to the road won’t see a cent of it.
    
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    October 4, 2023 9:27am
    - NothingLeft
      
      They aren’t poor, they’re useless kids with rich parents.
      
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      October 4, 2023 10:56am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Plus a demented aged female from Otago
        
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        October 4, 2023 7:06pm
  - Inandout
    
    Kev, insurance companies employ or hire Actuaries who assess risk and EVs will fall into that area. If a natural disaster occurs then yes insurers will spread the cost among customers but with motor vehicles any premium increases can be more finally tuned. From all accounts owning an EV can pose a worrying possibilty of battery fire and the more such vehicles which are on the road then the higher the likelihood of such an event. Personally, and despite the rebate carrot on purchase, I will stay firmly with an ICE vehicle.
    
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    October 4, 2023 9:46am
- Grunter
  
  I hope the entire EV scam blows up in their green faces big time! Basic maths and science always overcome stupidity and Marxist ideology everytime.
  
  Why on earth Luxon is backing EVs is a real worry. He isn’t dumb, and it doesn’t take too much reading to discover that EV’s are utterly ridiculous for a number of reasons.
  
  So that just means Luxon is part of the evil plan in some way…..no wonder I don’t trust him
  
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  October 4, 2023 9:02am
Flossie

Stickers not being given out to electors this year is perfectly fine by me. To say adults need such things is ridiculous….maybe a 5 year old being a good kid at the dentist might like one.
Also it is a small step in the right direction of reducing wasteful government spending.
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October 4, 2023 8:23am
- Matt Long
  
  I’m wAiting for my free KFC to vote.
  
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  October 4, 2023 8:58am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Hopefully the handouts of KFC end under NAct.
    It amazes me that they dont penalise non-compliance on the likes of the census, if it really mattered, or that they just dont turn the hoses on the Youth Offenders who climb onto the roof of their facility.
    NZ society is treating people like infants, and I know that Mum offering you pudding if you simply come to dinner on time is less of an impact that taking away that dinner for a night due to tardiness.
    
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    October 4, 2023 11:16am
  - david
    
    All the KFC vouchers got used by the Census organisers. They blew the budget to the extent that the Melection organisers can’t get the
    Staff they need (can’t offer the same rates), certainly can’t offer incentives, some are working 80 hour weeks. Etc. And Hipkins, who oversaw the running of a farcical Census is ultimately responsible for anything that goes wrong with the election.
    
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    October 4, 2023 6:02pm
Opie

If there is a climate emergency and “global boiling”, can someone please explain why we have a frost today (in October!)?
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October 4, 2023 8:32am
- Grunter
  
  Opie – It’s complicated….. with the planet now in Global Boiling stage we will obviously experience periods when the planet also freezes – that’s how the ‘new science’ works. The old colonial science was obviously wrong because it was racist and anti-transgender…….blah, blah, blah, puke!
  
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  October 4, 2023 8:52am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Why do we have a frost today? Simple if it’s not hot or calamitous it’s just weather. Come on keep up.
  
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  October 4, 2023 8:56am
- Matt Long
  
  Because of an unprecedented happening; a block of ice, that’s right a block of ice!!!! Broke off Antarctica!!! Run for the panic room.
  Won’t someone please kill the dairy cows? 😭😭😭😭
  https://x.com/RusselNorman/status/1709257915637658104?s=20
  
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  October 4, 2023 9:09am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Norman, the Australian communist.
    Mad as they come.
    
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    October 4, 2023 9:32am
    - David Garrett
      
      Steve O: Not mad…just very dangerous.
      
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      October 4, 2023 10:48am
- pdm
  
  Opie – growing up in Central Hawkes Bay my father, a canny Scot, always said there is always a frost in November.
  
  I found out he was right when one Sunday morning I arrived home at about 5am and he was outside in his pajamas and slippers hosing his early spuds.
  
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  October 4, 2023 9:13am
  - Opie
    
    I can see that happening there, but I don’t remember one here this late ever.
    
    Coldest winter in a long time.
    
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    October 4, 2023 9:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Relatives had a vineyard in Hastings. Occasionally in November the helicopters would be out to move the air to stop grapes freezing. Also dropping bunches on the ground to force growth into other bunches. Don’t want them freezing, you only get one payday a year.
    
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    October 4, 2023 9:38am
    - kevn
      
      SeteveO… Kiwi fruit growers employ the same trick.
      
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      October 4, 2023 10:25am
- I remember when
  
  And possibly another frost tomorrow.
  
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  October 4, 2023 9:28am
- krazykiwi
  
  This formula is simple, thus:
  If it’s hot today, that’s global warming.
  If it’s cold today, that’s global warming.
  If it’s wet today, that’s global warming.
  If it’s windy today, that’s global warming.
  If you question any of this you’re a far right, Nazi, MAGA, qAnon spreader of misinformation and murderer of future generations, and you should be jailed.
  
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  October 4, 2023 10:16am
the deity formerly known as nigel6888

In other news, the Wellington town hall rebuild project goes wrong again – doubled in cost again!

Fortunately, the Wellington Mayor and Council are on the case!

Power of general competence, and other oxymorons.

Bwuhahahaha!
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October 4, 2023 8:34am
- Local Miller
  
  The new cost is now 10x (yes that’s correct, ten times) the original budgeted cost.
  
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  October 4, 2023 9:57am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Pull the plug. Stop indulging delusional and financially incompetent local politicians voted for by delusional and financially incompetent fringe nutters in ultra-low turnout elections.
    
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    October 4, 2023 11:02am
Grunter

Is anyone else still waiting for their voting papers in the mail?

Or have I missed something and we don’t get them this time?
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October 4, 2023 8:49am
- Ghost
  
  Got mine last week, but this is on the electoral commission Facebook in reply to someone
  
  the nationwide mail-out of 3.4 million EasyVote packs is a large and complex operation. As in previous elections, it is not unusual for packs to arrive after voting starts. We send them to larger rural electorates first, and then urban electorates, which are closer to the processing centres so will take a shorter time to deliver.
  
  We expect those who haven’t already received their packs to get them in the coming days. You don’t need an EasyVote card to vote, so if you haven’t received your pack and would like to vote now, you can do so.
  
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  October 4, 2023 8:52am
  - Yabster
    
    not got mine- pathetic- mail them earlier you drongos! -voting tonight- with or without the easy vote card.
    
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    October 4, 2023 9:10am
  - NothingLeft
    
    This is bullshit. It’s not large or complex, it is a standard automated print and mail operation from a database the like of which govt does tens of times a year at various scales. Hardly any human involvement other than mailmen required.
    
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    October 4, 2023 10:12am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    One job, Karl, one job!
    
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    October 4, 2023 7:11pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  You don’t need the thing they send you. Just walk in and give your name. Takes 20 seconds.
  
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  October 4, 2023 9:04am
  - Opie
    
    Can I give someone else’s name?
    
    Vote early and vote often.
    
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    October 4, 2023 9:17am
    - Sacha
      
      Trouble is, Opie, if that someone also votes.
      When the votes are checked vs the electoral roll, the dud one will get their time in court.
      Well, that’s how it used to be – after the last election I’m not sure –
      
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      October 4, 2023 11:28am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Sacha
        
        It depends who you voted for.
        
        Four ticks Labour is just exuberance .
        
        Four ticks National is far right voter fraud.
        
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        October 4, 2023 1:24pm
      - kevn
        
        Sacha… There one Martyn/Martin Bradbury who had a crack at double voting. A while ago.
        
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        October 4, 2023 3:34pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    How much skullduggery is happening? No ID to vote, just take the card that was mailed to you. I have yet to receive mine, the rest of the family has theirs.
    So I am thinking how many are stolen from letterboxes? No ID needed so go and vote Labour 20 times. We know they are desperate.
    Al very well to turn up ante vote with no card – who gets the penalty if I end up voting twice?
    
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    October 4, 2023 9:18am
    - Dudley Quaffquaff
      
      Nothing stops you from going to several different polling stations and voting at each one. But it will be picked up in the counting process if more than one vote is cast using the same unique identifier from the electoral roll. Those votes can then be identified. I don’t know though, how they might then go about determining which one is legit and who cast the others.
      
      Whatever happened to e-voting?
      
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      October 4, 2023 9:32am
      - Paulus
        
        With e voting you will get the Democrat Party and the Biden Family !
        
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        October 4, 2023 1:48pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      If Labour activists were multiple voting in high numbers, word would get out.
      
      In 2020, some guy boasted on Facebook that he had voted multiple times.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/election-2020-police-probe-second-case-of-voter-fraud/UNXER2ABVMH5EJ24OXHZYIXZX4/
      
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      October 4, 2023 9:45am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Some guys are clever.
        
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        October 4, 2023 10:16am
      - NothingLeft
        
        not if they’re voting Greebour/Racist
        
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        October 4, 2023 11:03am
  - Prince
    
    So why waste money sending them out ? Because they ‘always have’ ?
    
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    October 4, 2023 9:29am
  - krazykiwi
    
    And that’s my concern. As I recall, duplicate votes are simply discarded. If makes it possible, for example, for 100 leftist activists in a marginal seat to cast votes using locals names in the safe knowledge that their real vote would be subsequently discarded. Someone tell me this can’t happen, please.
    
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    October 4, 2023 10:22am
    - Hard Cheese
      
      The problem is how would the activists know which way the stolen ID’s intended to vote? If they were going to vote Labour the activists would be working against their own team.
      
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      October 4, 2023 11:09am
      - krazykiwi
        
        I know ~20 people in my electorate who have indicated they’re voting Labour or Green. It would be easy for me to vote National on their behalf thereby ensuring their vote was discarded.
        
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        October 4, 2023 1:34pm
  - greybeard
    
    Let us say that my voting papers are stolen from my letterbox and someone uses that card to vote for Party “A”.
    
    Because I do not have a voting card, I then go along in person and vote for Party “B”.
    
    Now there are two votes both in my name, and these duplicates are discovered at counting time: which one is deemed to be legitimate?
    
    Does Party “A” get my vote, or Party “B” ?
    
    What steps (if any) are taken (or can be taken) to find the spurious voter ?
    
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    October 4, 2023 10:46am
    - Sacha
      
      google: How are votes counted in New Zealand?
      
      That should answer your query.
      
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      October 4, 2023 11:37am
      - greybeard
        
        Thanks.
        I should have known better.
        But identifying the illegal voter seems to be overlooked. And their objective has been achieved – my vote does no longer count.
        
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        October 4, 2023 5:11pm
      - greybeard
        
        Sacha:
        further to my reply above: if I can negate someone else’s vote without being identified, does that not make the current system worthless ?
        
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        October 4, 2023 6:59pm
- MCōs
  
  The voting papers are at the polling booths
  
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  October 4, 2023 9:26am
- Prince
  
  Same here.
  I’m wondering if they have been ‘prioritised’…
  
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  October 4, 2023 9:27am
- Taieri
  
  Yep, haven’t got mine yet.
  
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  October 4, 2023 11:15am
Maggy Wassilieff

East Coast is on the move…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/watch-major-slip-in-gisborne-takes-out-massive-portion-of-road/HLJ4SV5PUJCOFOWGOHPTGF6N5Y/

as we’ve known for decades
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/bola-and-bad-ass-gullies-the-science-of-east-coast-erosion
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October 4, 2023 8:52am
Warren

The media have gone nuts with Simon Wilson prediction that the Green’s will win Mt Albert with Green candidate Ricardo Menendez March a traditional Labour seat held by two former Labour Prime Minister’s.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/on-the-campaign-october-3-what-you-missed-on-the-election-campaign-today/6AEGELP6NFBGPABZ3TW2VQTRDQ/
I’m beginning to believe that Simon Wilson is not the full quid and if he had a brain it would be lonely.
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October 4, 2023 8:57am
- NothingLeft
  
  Yeah he’s a far left eejit/activist with only the most tenuous grip on reality.
  
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  October 4, 2023 11:07am
Guy Preston

The stunning success of KiwiBuild on full display: https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/133049949/buying-kiwibuild-no-guarantee-of-delivery-couple-find-after-three-years
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October 4, 2023 8:57am
Damocles11

How is the mysterious Hana-Rāwhiti Maipi-Clarke case going? Ever changing details, a ‘note’ left behind. Given that the young upstart is challenging a powerful Labour cabinet minister who will be out of Parliament if she loses her seat (she is not on the Labour list), did the note say ‘this is Mahuta country’ by any chance?
The Police have an obligation to the whole country to start letting us know the real facts, because at the moment a smear that the ‘attack’ was ‘racially motivated’ is being allowed to pollute the whole campaign. This incident could end up deciding which way people vote, and the polling booths are already open. My fear is that the Police are these days heavily politicised, and that will influence the way they are proceeding with this matter.
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October 4, 2023 9:11am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It appears the cops are investigating a burglary…
  
  but this latest article doesn’t mention if anything was taken during the burglary, just that someone photographed personal stuff…
  
  Maipi-Clarke told Te Ao News her home was broken into on two separate occasions recently, and personal belongings photographed. Asked if she was at home on either occasion, she admitted she wasn’t. However, she said some of the personal belongings photographed and left in her mailbox included confidential medical reports.
  
  Definitely odd…..
  
  https://www.teaonews.co.nz/2023/10/03/candidates-allegations-of-ram-rade-divide-political-parties/
  
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  October 4, 2023 10:34am
  - Ghost
    
    Do people keep medical records at home?
    
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    October 4, 2023 10:39am
    - rjay
      
      Another case of mental health?
      
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      October 4, 2023 1:03pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Rjay
        
        Why do people cite mental “health ” ?
        
        Is mental “illness ” perhaps too stigmatizing ?
        
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        October 4, 2023 1:33pm
  - cmm
    
    How does she know stuff was photographed? Or is that just a guess?
    
    Did anyone pour bleach on her saying “This is Act country”?
    
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    October 4, 2023 1:05pm
  - double d
    
    What is a rade?
    
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    October 4, 2023 9:36pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Show the note, or it is all an attention grabbing lie.
  
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  October 4, 2023 11:19am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Efeso Collins will be investigating as we speak.
    Rest easy citizens !
    
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    October 4, 2023 1:35pm
ClanMcleod

An addendum to the post above re EV insurance from the impeccable el gato malo.

the green grift is not about solving problems
it’s about making them permanent because that’s where the money is

the green grift is not about saving the world. it’s about robbing it.

the pervasive mantra is: “anything to combat climate change except for “anything that will actually work”.”

witness witless germany demanding to move away from the oil and cheap russian gas that has powered their industrial sector by, wait for it, shutting down nuclear. this is shuttering their economic engines.

it’s absurd and senseless.

and of course it is. because this is not about “solving the crisis,” it’s about perpetuating the problem to profit from perpetual subsidy sucking.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/the-green-grift-is-not-about-solving

it’s easy to dismiss the greens as deeply unserious hippy dippy “i failed science” ideologues and dupes and perhaps many of the useful idiot ideological core thereof may be so, but those atop the green grift are very serious people indeed and they are making serious moves to grab serious money.

even if this ESG banking and equity capital markets regime were “voluntary” does anyone want to bet it stays that way and that once the scaffolding of such structures is in place that it will not be tightened like a noose in the most involuntary fashion imaginable?

because this is always the way of it, no?

this alleged “massive crisis” of “global boiling” is so serious that only unserious solutions that we swear are cost competitive but mysteriously need massive and ever increasing subsidies to implement must be pushed and serious solutions that could actually solve such a problem (if indeed it exists) must be not only ignored but opposed and the very concept of “if this is indeed true, is adaptation a better/cheaper/more effective course?” rendered verboten.

this is not protection, it’s plunder.

it’s just another form of negative-sum forever-war profiteering.

and you know the next step after “i am changing the rules” right?

The green movement is an ideological scam employing millions of brainwashed and propagandised useful idiots to help support and drive it. But ultimately, as with covid, it’s all about following the money.
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October 4, 2023 9:15am
- Grunter
  
  Clan – It is now very clear to me that the entire global ‘system’ is about to fall to pieces over the coming 5-10 years. Covid and Global Boiling are the most obvious scams, followed by the Ukraine BS.
  
  The US is a tinderbox that will spark as they head to the 2024 elections. Half the population still see Trump as their saviour and the other half want him in jail – US democracy will blow up as a result. And their banking system is about to implode under debt, junk derivatives, and home loans where the banks are out-of-the-money due to interest rates going up so fast.
  
  Add in the China mess (the factory to the western system) and……
  
  KA-BOOM!
  
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  October 4, 2023 9:38am
Maggie Pie

An Eritrean, an Iranian, and a Mexican walk into a Bar.
They find a table in the corner and discuss imposing a Wealth-Tax on New Zealanders.

SHEEESH!!
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October 4, 2023 9:16am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  But to ask how many New Zealanders are able to stand for Parliament in Eritrea, Iran or Mexico would be rude. Because reasons….
  
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  October 4, 2023 9:24am
- RoboRob
  
  Hey Maggie go easy, they are just discussing what they overheard in the labour caucus discussions.
  
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  October 4, 2023 9:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Wonder who they are?
  
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  October 4, 2023 9:41am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Assume it was the green caucus?
    
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    October 4, 2023 11:58am
- MCōs
  
  How many of these “New Zealanders” are Australian such as Robert Scoines the CEO of Sanitarium NZ which doesn’t pay tax?
  
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  October 4, 2023 9:47am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You are sooo ill-informed sometimes Cossie.
    Robert pays tax on his income the same as you do.
    It’s the ‘Company’ that has tax free status.
    Have you ever thort about registering as a Charity?
    
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    October 4, 2023 9:53am
    - Cassandra
      
      “Which” = Sanitarium. “Who” would have been the CEO. Writing this because Grammar Sheriff MIA.
      
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      October 4, 2023 10:07am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      If Sanitarium paid Tax your Weetbix would cost more.
      It really is that simple.
      
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      October 4, 2023 10:10am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Riddle me this then SteveO…..
        why do we have to pay GST on Weetbix then?
        
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        October 4, 2023 10:28am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        If Labour get in Weetbix will still be Taxed. It is processed.
        But hey, so is coleslaw.
        Ultimately the Tax goes to the dropkicks who won’t work and the Iwi settlements.
        
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        October 4, 2023 11:23am
      - cmm
        
        Maggie The GST you pay on Weetbix is added by the shop.
        Any GST that is charged by Sanitarium is paid back to the shop as GST credits.
        
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        October 4, 2023 1:02pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        S.O
        That is like saying removing gst on fruit and veg makes them cheaper.
        
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        October 4, 2023 1:39pm
    - Paulus
      
      Why not register – there are tens of thousands of Maori “organisations” registered as Charities under the Act.
      Ngai Tahu and Tainui, along with Sanitarium are three of the largest.
      Assume under the Act they all make annual financial returns ?
      
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      October 4, 2023 1:55pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Fake. Eritreans and Iranians are almost all Muslims. They won’t be walking into bars because the Prophet said it’s naughty.
  
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  October 4, 2023 10:15am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Coffee bar ?
    
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    October 4, 2023 11:17am
  - cmm
    
    Eritrea is about 50/50 Christian/Muslim, depending on who you ask, with some areas being over 90% Christian.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Eritrea
    
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    October 4, 2023 1:01pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      I sit corrected.
      
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      October 4, 2023 2:21pm
  - rjay
    
    That implies no capacity for hypocrisy
    
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    October 4, 2023 1:06pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Genter is American not Eritrean.
  
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  October 4, 2023 2:54pm
I remember when

New Slash standards in place next month: Gisborne Herald.
“Slash damage from Cyclone Gabrielle in Tairawhiti forced lawmakers to revisit the mild amendments they had planned.
At the start of the year, before Gabrielle, a review found the 2018 rules for managing slash were ‘fit for purpose’ and needed only a tweak.”
Stronger changes go in front of the Executive Coincil on Monday, could be gazetted as early as next Thursday, and come into force a month later.
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October 4, 2023 9:17am
Tauhei Notts

Chat over dinner with an old lawyer mate last night.
His words are worth repeating.
This election result must be EMPHATIC.
That is, the National Act NZ First, even TOP if that rocks your cradle, must win emphatically.
For the message will go to Luxon that if you continue to sodomise our country it will take three years for us to emphatically put you out on your arse.
Please encourage everybody to vote BUT not for the toxic trio. This is so important. Don’t tell people to vote National or Act; just do NOT vote for any one of the toxic trio.
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October 4, 2023 9:24am
- Benedict Yu
  
  There is a problem. MMP is designed to NOT deliver emphatic wins. The best case scenario would be a very narrow majority for National-ACT. Even after all the carnage of the last three years, a total of more than 40 percent will vote for Labour and the Greens.
  
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  October 4, 2023 9:52am
- rockape
  
  The best solution would be Nat 44% ,ACT 7% and NZ First 7% then neither ACT nor NZ First can demand too much .
  
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  October 4, 2023 10:32am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Best solution would be Nat 35%, ACT 17%, NZF who cares% then ACT can be the energetic tail that wags the dusty old National mutt.
    
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    October 4, 2023 10:48am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Quite. Without ACT having a strong place in an incoming government, Luxon will drive towards the woke/socialist ‘centre’ and emulate Labour’s policy differentiated by a slightly more business friendly, better executed policy program.
      
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      October 4, 2023 2:11pm
  - David Garrett
    
    rock: ACT and NZF could never work together because of the mutual antipathy between Peters and Seymour. Any such three way government would be a very unstable and short lived one.
    
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    October 4, 2023 10:57am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Maybe as outlined by RockApe, with the rider that Winston turns up his toes about five minutes after the election result is finalised.
      
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      October 4, 2023 7:19pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    But many of us actually want ACT to have a say.
    National doing a “Labour but competent” isn’t going to be good enough.
    
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    October 4, 2023 11:09am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Rock
    
    Good point. I dont understand the downticks.
    Maybe because you mentioned the reality of NZF having some influence .
    You can almost hear the heads being buried in the sand .
    
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    October 4, 2023 1:44pm
  - Ghost
    
    Rock, i’m guessing act will be around 12%, greens around 17 or 18%. Winston around 7 or 8%
    
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    October 4, 2023 1:56pm
  - Paulus
    
    With Peters in the picture there will be another election within 3 months.
    
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    October 4, 2023 1:57pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I do think there will be a happy surprise. Even hard core Labour voters have had a gutsful of Labour’s lies and cockups.
  Labour are going to die for 12 or 15 years. But the socialists will be back. They are being taught the Marxist ways at kindy now. Brainwashing by all the schools and Universities.
  
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  October 4, 2023 11:31am
  - Paulus
    
    Former Labour voters will vote Peters or the Greens to upset any status quo !
    
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    October 4, 2023 1:58pm
  - Handyman
    
    I agree. Socialism sounds good until you experience it. That is why every generation has to pay the price.
    Right now the next Jacinda and Marama are in school. Soon they will be parliamentary assistants and eventually MPs. They will do all this without learning any history.
    
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    October 4, 2023 4:46pm
- cmm
  
  That’s nuts.
  
  If they win EMPHATICALLY then there will certainly be no need for TOP and, hopefully also not for NZF.
  
  A 3-way with NZF would be massively unstable and if it was so marginal that it also needed TOP, then it certainly isn’t EMPHATIC.
  
  EMPHATIC would mean clear National/Act with no others.
  
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  October 4, 2023 12:57pm
I remember when

In opening Tamati Coffey’s East Coast election headquarters Carmel Sepuloni is quoted as saying –
“Some parties wanted to take the country in a dark direction!”

Opportunity Sharon!!!
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October 4, 2023 9:39am
- cmm
  
  “Dark”?
  
  Yet again zero originality from Labour. “Dark” was a Hillary Clinton line.
  
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  October 4, 2023 4:49pm
I remember when

In September Eastland Port had 10 log ships berth, which resulted in the export of 228,000 tonnes of logs.

So to give some idea of the quantity, 8-10% of the volume of the harvest is slash.
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October 4, 2023 9:45am
Maggie Pie

ZB PROMO….

“Election 2023: How much will NZ’s 350,000 Benficiaries miss out on under
National’s changes? You can find out on Herald Premium”

Most of them couldn’t afford to read it anyway 😀 😀 😀
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October 4, 2023 9:48am
- NothingLeft
  
  Needs to be presented as an interpretive dance on tik-tok.
  
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  October 4, 2023 9:52am
- RoboRob
  
  The trick is, they don’t want them to read it. It probably says, beneficiaries wont miss out on much / anything.
  
  However people will see the headline and think, oh those nasty Nats, beneficiaries will be hammered under National.
  
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  October 4, 2023 9:54am
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    Yeah, it’s like those click baits that turn up on the feed – “I thought the sun would come up in the morning and then THIS happened!!!”. If you actually bother to click and find out how the tale continues, invariably THIS is really boring.
    
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    October 4, 2023 12:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/protesters-love-to-hate-part-3/

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Character-and-Maori.pdf
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October 4, 2023 9:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Ask not what your Country can go for you – ask what you can do for your Country.”
  
  JFK, the last true Democrat.
  
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  October 4, 2023 9:55am
RoboRob

Agree. However one comment on TOP.

As an Ilam voter I considered voting for Raf Manji. I thought this might give National another coalition partner.

However after investigation it seems that TOP are more Labour / Green like in economic policy. The final nail in the coffin was reading an article last night where Raf said….

But Manji said, “You can’t have a referendum on a treaty. I mean, a treaty is something that is signed at a particular point in time and needs to be enforced and adhered to.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/election-2023-top-leader-raf-manji-on-m%C4%81ori-issues-and-why-treaty-referendum-doesn-t-make-sense/ar-AA1hBWht

Clearly Raf has never read the treaty and then looked at the actual implementation.

Will be electorate voting National to keep Raf out. I see he is trying to convince National voters to vote for him now.

Manji was calling on National to stand aside in Ilam so TOP could get into Parliament, meaning National wouldn’t require Peters to form a government

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/10/national-leader-christopher-luxon-rules-out-deal-to-get-the-opportunities-party-into-parliament.html
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October 4, 2023 9:50am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  Don’t do it. TOP are woke – very woke.
  
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  October 4, 2023 10:25am
  - RoboRob
    
    Thats what I discoverred !
    
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    October 4, 2023 11:27am
  - cmm
    
    More or less woke than National?
    PS: I’m voting for neither of them.
    
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    October 4, 2023 12:51pm
    - RoboRob
      
      More woke then National 🙂
      
      p.s. I am only electorate voting National
      
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      October 4, 2023 2:33pm
- Jack5
  
  If enough people vote for Manji in the Ilam electorate that may allow Labour to sneak back in.
  
  Under this view, a vote for TOP’s Manji is potentially a vote for the Labour candidate.
  
  You can read TOP’s policy here:
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Opportunities_Party
  
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  October 4, 2023 11:24am
  - cmm
    
    Regardless of who gets Ilam, it is very unlikely to change the numbers.
    
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    October 4, 2023 12:52pm
    - RoboRob
      
      Would it not be 1 or maybe two top MPs and an overhang that gets split between national / labour etc. National as the largest party gets the ‘most’ of the overhang and therefore IF top goes with natinoal they get ‘extra’ seats?
      
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      October 4, 2023 2:35pm
  - cmm
    
    The current useless Labour MP is bleating that Manji is splitting the leftie vote which is what is causing her to slide.
    
    “TOP candidate and leader Raf Manji, also a former city councillor, took a matter-of-fact approach with the crowd, seemingly not afraid to tease that New Zealand should join Australia, and referring to primary industries like meat and logging as “sunset industries”.”
    
    If meat and logging go away then where are these magic opportunities coming from? It looks like TOP and Green are fighting for the same space.
    
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    October 4, 2023 4:55pm
    - Damocles11
      
      TOP are marketing themselves to the youth vote (a $5,000 payout to all 18 year olds, free healthcare, free dental, $1,500 grant for an e-bike), the Ilam / Christchurch vote (a $1 billion spend up in Christchurch), the progressive / Green vote (Teal card / Teal Visa).
      
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      October 4, 2023 6:25pm
      - Ghost
        
        They can offer you a billion dollars each, nothing they offer will ever happen
        
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        October 4, 2023 6:33pm
kevn

labour in the sub 20’s will be emphatic.
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October 4, 2023 9:57am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Hiyaa kev…
  Word is their own internal polling has them at 18.
  David Parker has been doing a bit of ‘knife sharpening’ by all accounts.
  
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  October 4, 2023 10:02am
  - rjay
    
    If they are on 18% Parker won’t be an MP
    
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    October 4, 2023 1:11pm
Liberty

Cry me a river.
The Warehouse has been crawling up Nanny State. Because the big boys in the food industry aren’t playing fair.
No Difference to the decimation of dozens of Mum and Pop stores. Since the arrival
of the Warehouse.
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October 4, 2023 10:01am
Gulag1917

The degree of entitlement gets bigger.
https://www.outkick.com/plus-size-travel-influencer-jaelynn-chaney-reveals-7-demands-for-hotel-industrys-give-us-size-inclusive-amenities/
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October 4, 2023 10:10am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  A couple of quotes come to mind:
  One was the Critical Drinker and he made a comment about something which ‘ ….will cause more deaths than the Fat Positivity Movement’
  Har har.
  
  And on fatties travelling specifically, Homer Simpson booking a seat on an airplane, said “I need two tickets, for the twins…..:, he said – pointing at his arse.
  There is the answer for the ‘plus sized’ around wanting space; Sure. You pay extra.
  
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  October 4, 2023 2:32pm
Maggie Pie

CNN reporting that the NY Dudge hearing Trumpy’s fraud trial, has just gagged him from making any comments outside the courtroom.

Should be interesting 😀
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October 4, 2023 10:15am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There are a few riding for a fall. It is corruption from Schumer all the way down.
  Trump will still run in 2024. He is doing that 5D chess again.
  Remember that Trump doubles down, hits them back twice as hard. There are about 8 surrounding this that will get their beans. Number one would be Letitia James. Trump has had a gutsful of her attacks over many years.
  Popcorn.
  
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  October 4, 2023 10:38am
- krazykiwi
  
  A good comment:
  
  Imagine that you wanted to borrow $100 to buy supplies for your MAGA hat stand. I ask, “how’s business?” You say it’s great. Then I give you the $100, and a few days later you pay me back $120, just as agreed. I go away. Now the State of New York comes along and says, hey, when you said business was “great,” it wasn’t really “great,” it was only “okay.” You lied. Now we’re going to take your house.
  
  That’s a simplification, but not an exaggeration. One of our democratic republic’s essential concepts is that the government can’t just take citizens’ property, not without proving a great reason or without paying just compensation. Governments only snatch people’s property and businesses in dystopian communist hellholes like Venezuela or Cuba, where private property always somehow finds its way into some pugnacious dictator’s grasping, bloody hands.
  
  Under long-standing New York and common Law, “fraud” is normally found when the state proves four things: (1) the defendant knowingly made a false representation, (2) to a victim who relied on the false representation, (3) the defendant intended the victim to rely on the false representation, and (4) because of that reliance, the victim was injured.
  
  But the State of New York, applying an obscure, patently-unconstitutional statute that’s never been applied this way before, has stripped out all those common-law elements of proof of fraud except for the very first one: the false representation. I guess they had to keep at least one, and they picked the easiest to prove. It’s easiest to prove because all the the judge had to do were some back-of-the-napkin calculations and then say, yep, it was a false representation.
  
  New York has jettisoned the four other fraud elements of: a victim, reliance, intent to deceive, and injury.
  
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  October 4, 2023 10:39am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Only regarding the courtroom staff.
  It sounds like the Dudge’s main aide is good friends with Chuck Schumer.
  
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  October 4, 2023 11:06am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    And who is in Schumer’s ear? You never see them, but it is non other than Obama and the dreaded Hillary.
    
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    October 4, 2023 11:38am
  - Paulus
    
    Letitia James is vying for very top honours in the Democratic Party, and wants to be the top woman black presidential candidate, but she and her lady judge crony want to take Trump down first.
    
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    October 4, 2023 2:03pm
BananaLlama

Election 2023: How Jacinda Ardern can help deliver Labour a third consecutive election victory – Richard Prebble

Literally eye rolled, makes me wonder if i should vote for ACT. Here is an equally plausible alternative.

Election 2023: How John Key can help deliver National an election victory – Banana Llama
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October 4, 2023 10:20am
- DimChappie
  
  Here is what Ardern has posted to her 1.6m Instagram followers. Prebble reckons overseas kiwis tend to vote left anyway:
  “Flash flooding in New York wasn’t going to stop us getting our vote in for the New Zealand election today. It’s the first time since I started voting that I haven’t been involved in the campaign, but popping a ballot in the box felt just as important. You’ll all know where my ticks went (two ticks for Chippy and the Labour team every time) but I wanted to add this point – if you’re a kiwi abroad, please vote. You’ll find all the details you need here: https://vote.nz/overseas/vote-from-overseas/vote-from-overseas/”
  
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  October 4, 2023 11:48am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Ardern’s brand is toxic now. Only the original Jacindamaniacs are hanging on to her words.
  Her most recent endorsements of candidates for Mayoralties or electorates while still PM was more like the kiss of death as far as I could see.
  
  The average voter sentiment I dare say is the politics of kindness was a hollow sham, and we want actual results on declared matters of policy in future.
  For those that didn’t like her to begin with, or affected by mandates, it is now true loathing.
  Her tweets work on her audience only. She is yesterday’s person and less of relevance than even Key or Clark.
  
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  October 4, 2023 2:41pm
Swifty

Two things I learned for the first time today:

1. When gay or lesbian couples separate they usually end up killing each other and,

2. Posting food pictures online causes cancer in children.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n4rYM5OY9OY

I genuinely didn’t know that.

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October 4, 2023 10:29am
- David Garrett
  
  Swifty: I presume that is some kind of joke? that link leads to a video that has absolutely nothing to do with either of the things you mention.
  
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  October 4, 2023 11:14am
  - Swifty
    
    DG – both things I mentioned are discussed in that video. You’ve got to read the subtitles.
    
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    October 4, 2023 12:04pm
MCōs

I see the US House of Representatives has voted Kevin McCarthy out as speaker and nobody knows what happens next.
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October 4, 2023 10:32am
Jethrod

And one from the 60’s.
A Russian, an American and Maori walk into a bar.
The discussion quickly turns to the spacerace.
The American says “we are going to the Moon”.
The Russian says “we are reaching for the stars.”
The Maori, being quite impressed by these things said “we are going to the Sun.”
The American and the Russian both scoffed at this, saying “Oh you will get burnt up”.
To which the Maori replied , “But we are going at night”
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October 4, 2023 10:34am
Maggie Pie

Just been drying my hair and listening to Kerry Woodham.
Someone needs to give her the message that there’s nothing more f**ing boring,
than people calling into talkback discussing how sugar affects their snotty-nose kids.

WGAF??
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October 4, 2023 10:34am
- Ghost
  
  I don’t know, one lady rang up to say her grandchildren got diabetes 3 weeks after the covid vaccine
  
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  October 4, 2023 10:37am
  - Keith White
    
    That’s possible from a theoretical point of view given the mRNA vaccines’ spike materials enter the body’s cells – and while they do not (at our present state of published knowledge) enter the nucleus, they certainly alter cellular functionality.
    
    It’s for this kind of delayed effect that until 3 years ago, vaccine development and testing took years through phase 1, 2 and 3 trials before release.
    
    One of many unforgivable professional Covid-time sins of my ex-profession back home is that we ignored this – and the Medical Council threatened dissenters.
    
    Mod: the links are to examples of these threats…
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/445179/doctors-spreading-misinformation-about-covid-19-may-lose-their-job-medical-council
    
    https://www.mcnz.org.nz/about-us/news-and-updates/media-release/
    
    I wonder if Dr Walker still stands by his comments of 2 years ago – 05:00, Jul 17 2021
    
    “The weight of scientific evidence over Covid-19 is that the vaccine is safe and effective and necessary if we are going to defeat this global pandemic and that is the over-arching message we are expecting medical professionals to adhere to.
    
    “Medical practitioners may have to decide if they are going to remain medical practitioners or peddlers of conspiracy theories.”
    
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    October 4, 2023 11:56am
    - kisekiman
      
      Perhaps you can help me understand better but it seems to me the jab believers are in a bit of a bind when is comes to the inconvenient topic of excess deaths. They are having to throw one of the siamese twins of “safe and effective” under the bus in order to save the other. If the vaccines were safe (which is the one they seem to want to save the most) then it is covid causing the excess deaths and therefore the vaccines are not effective. On the other hand if the vaccines are working well then the excess dying must be because they are not safe. Of course it would seem obvious they are neither but we keep getting told they are. Not being allowed to ask questions speaks volumes. The lid, when it blows off this will be explosive and it is not going away.
      
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      October 4, 2023 8:53pm
ClanMcleod

This is a very short excerpt from an open letter written to UK PM Rishi Sunak by blogger John Sullivan, engineer, data and energy professional. He references his unparalleled experience and qualifications.

https://johnsullivan.substack.com/p/net-zero-an-open-letter-to-rishi

This is a must read. Pretty much every single part of it could and should be read and understood by Luxon, presuming he becomes the next PM of NZ.

Where he refers to Britain change to NZ. This is a small excerpt, read the whole post. I believe most clear thinking people will be nodding their head in agreement at every paragraph.

Come clean with the British people on the disastrous mistakes that were made in the farcical response to Covid – a mostly harmless virus that could and should have been largely ignored by any sane government and “public health” establishment.

And, of course:

Consign Net Zero to the dustbin of history.

Net Zero is unachievable, by 2050 or by any date this century. In theory, a programme to achieve Net Zero would cost the UK the astronomical sum of £2.5 Trillion, doubling our national debt in the process. In practice however – as an undertaking at least 2 orders of magnitude (100x) more complex that the HS2 farce – it is completely undeliverable. At present, we do not even have the core of a credible plan.

You either know this, or you have been deceived by disingenuous, ideologically left-wing, advisers and the mainstream media narrative – just as you were deceived about the threat from Covid.

So, finally, why would someone who has been so deceived on (or perhaps complicit in?) so many scientific and political frauds believe for a moment that they have not been deceived on the greatest issue of them all – that of civilisation-threatening anthropological climate change?

I have news for you Prime Minister. There is no “climate emergency”. The entire thing is a fiction cooked up long ago by Long March neo-Marxists in order to destabilise society, so as to free the path to “proper communism this time”. It was based on a kernel of truth – that CO₂ is a greenhouse gas – but there is, and has never been, any genuine evidence either that CO₂ is the principal driver of climate or that a small increase in global temperature will be exclusively (or even primarily) a bad thing.

In a very real sense, all of today’s key issues are closely linked to the climate scam. Uncontrolled immigration is tolerated, even encouraged, because it makes everyone fearful of hundreds of millions of potential (fictitious) climate refugees. The war in Ukraine is tolerated, even encouraged, because it contributes to high natural gas prices and the deception that renewable energy is both cheap and necessary for energy security. Because the entire thing is underpinned by neo-Marxist ideology, all the “oppressed victim” cults and meaningless slogans (BLM, trans rights, “leave no one behind”, “no one is safe until everyone is safe”, etc.) are due, at root, to the same issue.

Over the past 50 years, the climate alarmist madness has of course developed a momentum all its own, aided at every step by funding from autocratic globalist oligarchs with delusions of philanthropic legacies. The road to hell is, as they say, paved with good intentions.

https://johnsullivan.substack.com/p/net-zero-an-open-letter-to-rishi

‘Conspiracy theory’ alert.

The comments he makes re every other illogical major issue being connected to the climate scam makes perfect sense. The Ukraine war, Nordstream pipeline, insane and illogical ‘lockdowns’ and shutting down of economies etc.
All of these drive shortages of and increases pricing in traditional energy supplies.

We were scammed during covid. We are being scammed x10 over ‘climate’ insanity. It’s time to just emphatically say ‘NO’.
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October 4, 2023 10:36am
- Grunter
  
  Exactly!
  And here’s another quote from the substack, and a pertinent thought for Luxon…..
  
  “Your credibility is in tatters Prime Minister. No one believes you.”
  
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  October 4, 2023 11:59am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Imagine if all the money ‘invested’ in trying to fix “Climate Change!” had been spent on helping humanity instead.
  
  Meanwhile, we’re being told by scientists to reduce emissions right now! because Antarctic sea ice is a bit lower than other years in our ridiculously short sea ice record. I wish these scientists would just stick their knitting and measure stuff and develop theories and suchlike – I’m not interested in their opinions about what we need to do. (Why do people mistake a scientist’s opinion for science?)
  On the subject of Antarctica, these comments about melting sea ice remind me of similar stories about Arctic sea ice from the early 2000s. Back then, Arctic sea ice was going to disappear by now. We don’t hear these stories so much anymore, because (knock me down with a feather) the ice hasn’t melted.
  Me, I’m no expert, but I don’t think I’ll panic just yet about a little bit less ice one winter in Antarctica.
  
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  October 4, 2023 12:40pm
Matt Long

Northland Regional Council has ambitious targets to waste more ratepayers’ money than the district councils do https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/499323/northland-council-s-carbon-zero-plan-unashamedly-ambitious
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October 4, 2023 10:38am
- Gravelroad
  
  Yes, electric buses – very good.
  But they are not exactly new are they.
  Spent some years as a young child in Wellington where Dad worked in a government department.
  Sometimes we went into the city and travelled along Lambton Quay (where dad’s office was) on the trolly buses.
  I seem to recall that these buses were powered by electricity.
  Yes, I realise overhead wires would not be acceptable today even to appease the Green tyrants.
  
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  October 4, 2023 11:33am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I hope I live long enough to see all this net-zero nonsense come tumbling down.
  I try not to think too much about the legacy we’ll be leaving to our kids, because this nonsense won’t come without great cost.
  
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  October 4, 2023 12:43pm
I remember when

The final totals for the Hawke’s Bay properties issued yesterday for ‘Red Stickered’ houses, settled on a total of 287 Category 3 properties.
Interestingly 92%, or 265, of the properties are shown as Hastings, which would include Pakowhai.
Also of interest, is that of 882 in the Category 2A total, the second worst result, 667 (75.6%) are shown as being in Wairoa.
In fact of the 1327 properties on the list just over 50% are in Wairoa, all in that one risk category.
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October 4, 2023 10:45am
- Colville
  
  Its total bullshit.
  How can they have a “final” total for Cat 3 when there are still Cat 2A??
  Those 2As have to go to either Cat 1 or Cat 3, and they cant say they are all going Cat 1 or it would have happened by now.
  
  Oh, and “red sticker” has nothing to do with land categorisation.
  
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  October 4, 2023 11:41am
bco90

A song for fed up taxpayers.

“Sincerely, A Tax Payer” by Samson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N6J8TR5Xik

Enjoy.
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October 4, 2023 10:48am
Inandout

https://www.shorenewsnetwork.com/2023/10/03/in-the-middle-of-a-revolution-tucker-sits-down-with-victor-davis-hanson/

If you wonder why the US has an open door policy on their borders and why Dem cities have uncontrolled crime this interview may go some way to explain. I would imagine if NZ had a border then the present government would act similarly. We can but hope the US isn’t beyond repair.
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October 4, 2023 10:57am
- Matt Long
  
  This story is so sad, but if someone is going to be hurt , it’s better it be someone who campaigns against cival order. White male Antifa activist murdered by young black man.
  Includes video of the altercation, viewer discretion advised.
  https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1709316120660812049?s=20
  
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  October 4, 2023 12:57pm
Swifty

How sad.

A giant in the world of competitive wood-chopping.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/kiwi-wood-chopping-great-jason-wynyard-dies-after-battle-with-aggressive-cancer/B35I7D2KSZDXDI2HOEK5NTNFEU/

A great New Zealand sportsman gone too soon.
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October 4, 2023 11:06am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I knew he was sick a while back. A huge man just whittled away. I have watched him at the Kumeu Show, he gives it his all. Cancer, Jesus I hate Cancer even though I have a small amount.
  I think it was him who pulled out an axe and shaved hairs on his arm to show onlookers.
  
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  October 4, 2023 11:48am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  A mighty Totora has fallen
  
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  October 4, 2023 7:41pm
Jack5

A dying Labour gift to its Ngai Tahu mates: another $5.4 million for an 🚀 “aerospace centre” south of Christchurch. The money is to provide a hangar and a runway.

In 2021 the Labour Government put $16 million into a joint venture with the southern Maori to buy the land – 1,000 hectares.

The dream is of a rocket launch site, sparking the development of a Maori-led space industry in Christchurch.

If this were a feasible space project it would attract international seed capital. Space companies are flourishing on America’s stock exchanges.

Peter Beck did it the right way, from NZ then to America, where its Rocket Lab USA Inc is now flourishing.

Space X, Rocket Lab USA, Bezos’s new venture, and now what is being called Canterbury’s Tāwhaki Aerospace Centre?

I would put its chances only at better than the two recently reported Maori ventures to crack nuclear fusion.

Megan Woods said of the latest Government money, that the joint venture over the next 10 years the development would contribute to over 1300 highly skilled, high-paying jobs and up to $2.4 billion in economic benefits.

Maori for a long time eyed Kaitorite Spit, a long “finger” of land from Birdlings flat along an arm of Lake Ellesmere, for its reported historical links with the southern tribe. A 2021 Stuff report noted the project even had a Green angle: “It will also protect and rejuvenate the unique Kaitorete ecosystem with fencing, limited farming activity, and the planting of 5000 native plants over two years.”

In 2015, John Key and Rocket Lab chief Peter Beck visited the site. Rocket Lab chose Mahia Peninsula over the southern spit for its launch site.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/10/03/54-million-boost-to-canterbury-space-industry/

And in 2021: $16 million –

https://www.ecan.govt.nz/get-involved/news-and-events/2021/project-tawhaki-a-true-winwin-for-waitaha/

And earlier:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/300320221/new-rocket-launch-site-proposed-for-canterbury-aerospace-industry
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October 4, 2023 11:10am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Am I being to cynical ? – $16 million of taxpayers money has been used to purchase 1000 hectares of wind swept sand dunes and tussock owned by the local iwi to be put into a venture owned by that same local iwi ?. 5000 natives trees will be planted as an environmental benefit. 5 trees per acre. Wow that’s going to make a huge differences out there.
  
  Can’t wait to see those 1300 highly paid highly skilled people move into the local area and see those rockets heading into the sky on the one still night per year.
  
  Megan there is a bridge in Sydney for sale, please send $16 million to the owner of the bridge, Mr H. Jarse and it’s all yours.
  
  How many more of these wealth transfers election bribes are sitting in the books for National to find ?
  
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  October 4, 2023 4:03pm
- Dave
  
  The money is to provide a hangar and a runway.
  
  Fair enough too – How else will John Frum come with his gifts?
  
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  October 4, 2023 7:13pm
Maggie Pie

Heading down the Viaduct shortly to meet the girls for lunch.
Couldn’t resist sharing this before I leave.
Watch full screen/sound up.

Not sure whether or not Chippie is a fan of the fab Ricky Gervais….
he may not be after this 😀

https://twitter.com/churPanic/status/1709004122341732475

(CAUTION: strong language & ginger references)
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October 4, 2023 11:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Shit, I got tears in my eyes from laughing so much.
  Partner is not impressed. She might be a closet leftie!
  
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  October 4, 2023 11:54am
MCōs

Amusing tweet
https://x.com/badlipreading/status/1709320216247996710?s=46&t=XZLqGbhN-xeYzprhTaktsg
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October 4, 2023 11:24am
Ghost

Well she is a bit of a joke

Dame Jacinda Ardern will headline a sustainability conference in Ireland next month alongside comedian Trevor Noah.
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October 4, 2023 11:37am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Noah is as much a comedian as Ardern is honest.
  
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  October 4, 2023 11:47am
- Sacha
  
  Every dog has its day, so my Irish-born stepfather used to say.
  Let’s not give it unwarranted publicity!
  
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  October 4, 2023 11:54am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Two clowns. Only one of them is funny.
  
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  October 4, 2023 2:29pm
lifesgood

Couldn’t sleep last night so tuned into Newstalk ZB. What an unpleasant individual that Tim Beveridge is. Grumpy, no sense of humor, he’s always right, cuts people off when they don’t agree with him. An arrogant know all. I have no idea why Newstalk employ him.
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October 4, 2023 11:41am
Keith White

It made the news over here that Ahmed Zaoui (those old enough may remember his ‘entrance’ to NZ… and the circumstances surrounding it) returned to Algeria (from whence he fled because safety) and has now been arrested – allegedly for “political organizing.”

And his supporters are demanding NZ gets him out because he has a NZ passport (but never relinquished his Algerian one).
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October 4, 2023 11:46am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He gets nothing. Just a lying prick.
  
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  October 4, 2023 12:00pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Oh dear. So anyway…..
  
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  October 4, 2023 12:18pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Couldn’t Deborah Manning just fly over there and get him out?
  
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  October 4, 2023 1:49pm
- Paulus
  
  It was commented that his family are in Algeria – I thought when he got Citizenship here he brought in 18 relatives – are they still her ?
  
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  October 4, 2023 2:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The Centrist Newsletter posted about Professor Elizabeth Rata and the two Treaties.
I mentioned yesterday that Prof Rata watch the Co-Governance video by Julian Batchelor. I hope she has. This looks like it is based on 2004.
The links lead me to here:

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Character-and-Maori.pdf
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October 4, 2023 12:14pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Truck hits Penrose Bridge – again. There are at least two sets of height sensors.
I don’t know how this can happen. Max legal height is 4.25M. Bridge height is 4.57M.
If over height there is a flashing sign and flashing red lights to stop.
Reporter Amy Wiggins is confused. She says ‘overweight’ truck. I doubt that very much.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/auckland-s-southern-motorway-blocked-after-truck-hits-penrose-rd-overbridge/ar-AA1hEjN7
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October 4, 2023 12:33pm
- Guy Preston
  
  That comes from the reporter’s in-built desire to “change the world” rather than “report the facts”….
  
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  October 4, 2023 3:42pm
  - Matt Long
    
    It comes from their inability to differentiate between over height and over weight or to understand why the latter wouldn’t cause the top of the truck to hit a bridge.
    
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    October 4, 2023 4:49pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Amy Wiggins — discombobulated.
      Sad she did ho research on this.
      Class 5 here, I know this shit.
      
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      October 4, 2023 5:53pm
Jack5

The media’s subtle slant …

Ahmed Zaoui who entered NZ while on the run from Algeria, France and Belgium, has been arrested in his homeland of Algeria after returning from NZ, which granted him refugee status.

The Herald headline on the report starts “NZ citizen Ahmen Zaoui …”

The emphasis’s on the citizenship Woke NZ granted.

Leftist MSM aren’t going to change overnight after 14 October.

Stuff may disappear, but the way to save NZ from the Herald’s Leftism would be a takeover of its Stock Exchange-listed owner, NZME.

Zaoui in trouble in Algeria:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/nz-citizen-ahmed-zaoui-arrested-at-gunpoint-in-algeria-now-being-held-in-prison/LFYQQZSKMJC4LHXUUDJ4GFMB5E/
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October 4, 2023 12:46pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Same thing happens to Brit ex Iranians in Iran and to US ex Koreans in North Korea.
  
  Why does NZ Immigration think that political refugees are going to stop politicking in their country of origin, just because they have a differently coloured book?
  
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  October 4, 2023 2:11pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  The reason Zaoui was given Refugee status & an NZ passport was that he was regarded as having a well founded fear for his life.
  
  The fact that he voluntarily returned to Algeria means he has no fear for his life, which means the precept on which his refugee status is based is false.
  
  He should hand the NZ passport back, say ‘thanks very much’, resume his life as an Algerian & trouble us no more.
  
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  October 4, 2023 2:27pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

I see that the Tesla Y was NZ’s best selling vehicle in Sept. The impending end of subsidies was mentioned.

Left unsaid was the extent of govt fleet purchasing in shifting the needle.

The true measure of whether the shift to EVs is sticky will only come after the election.
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October 4, 2023 2:14pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Tesla have pretty amazing margins at the moment, that are holding up even though they are growing at ~50% per year. They can afford to drop their prices a lot if growth starts to waver, and they still haven’t launched their Ute or a small car, which is where bulk of sales are for other manufacturers. I think whatever happens Tesla will continue to grow spectacularly for at least another few years, as most other manufacturers lose money.
  
  Then there are the continuing manufacturing learning curves for EVs which are in general on the order of 20% per doubling for the EV power train component of cars at least. That will likely see another 20-30% cost reduction for EVs over next decade as sales double a few more times.
  
  And sodium ion batteries are likely to halve battery pack cost over next 3-5 years.
  
  Overall it seems very likely that EVs will be cheaper than petrol cars in 5 years time at which point market economics will inexorably drive EV adoption.
  
  BUT western countries have totally failed to provide for needed grid expansion. And as a result electricity prices will inevitably rise steeply as EV market share increases – and govts will have to start taxing them equally to petrol (2/3rds fuel cost is tax) to cover road costs. Both making EVs less attractive. Notable that of late a few large consultancies have revised their expectations of EV uptake down significantly.
  
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  October 4, 2023 2:44pm
  - Handyman
    
    Tesla are innovators in manufacturing cars. They are developing a giant press that will press the complete bottom of the car in one go, replacing 200 separate components.
    However, it will likely increase the cost of a minor collision. Maybe it is time to bring back old fashioned panel beating?
    
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    October 4, 2023 4:13pm
John Loveridge

I just listened to that wretched woman from the Maori Party trying to explain her party’s wealth tax. Boiled down, it means taking money off anybody who’s got any and giving it to Maoris, because that’s what it will take to realise her vision of a “te Tiriti-centric Aotearoa”, whatever that is.

I’ve often wondered where all the money would come from if there were only Maoris in New Zealand.
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October 4, 2023 2:22pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Printing presses, just like in Venezuela and Zimbabwe.
  
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  October 4, 2023 2:46pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Perhaps they’d revert to using pigs and potatoes….
  
  By the 1840s, Māori were using pigs and potatoes as a standard form of currency.
  
  https://teara.govt.nz/en/nga-haumi-a-iwi-maori-investment/page-1
  
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  October 4, 2023 4:51pm
  - rouppe
    
    Neither of which were around before settlers arrived
    
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    October 4, 2023 5:29pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Stop making sense
  
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  October 4, 2023 6:01pm
ClanMcleod

Apologies if this has already been addressed, I’m working and don’t have time to check the whole blog.

If this doesn’t wake the opposition out of their covid denial position then there can be no doubt they are 100% complicit in the whole disaster and covering their own arses.

This is next level shocking and disgusting.

Secret Jab Exemptions for Healthcare Workers in New Zealand Come to Light

On 15 November 2021 all healthcare workers in New Zealand — doctors, nurses, dentists, pharmacists, midwives and the like — were required to have had their first covid Jab. The covid Jab mandate lasted until late September 2022.
Just tonight I learned that over 11,000 workers received “12A Exemptions” during this period from an Official Information Act request to Te Whatu Ora (Health New Zealand), the health service agency that absorbed the District Health Boards and manages all public health services nationwide.

How many lost their jobs? How many were vax injured? How many died? While 11,000 were given secret exemptions?
I’d this is proven true, and it appears to be, this is surely the biggest scandal in NZ history. Heads must roll. Part of me says actually never mind figuratively.
Wtf is happening to this country. 😓😓😓

I hope someone finds definitive proof that this is not true, I do not want it to be true.

https://newzealanddoc.substack.com/p/secret-jab-exemptions-for-healthcare
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October 4, 2023 2:37pm
- wsk12345
  
  I was told, several years ago, by a nurse at CDHB, that about 300 doctors there got exemptions. They were given on the basis that the number was so large that the hospital could not operate without them. The nurse was bitter as they supported the docs who then failed to support them when they sought same.
  
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  October 4, 2023 2:42pm
  - kevn
    
    wsk… another source. Same story.
    https://preview.mailerlite.com/z6e4z1i4k3/2317888431943849995/o3c8/
    
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    October 4, 2023 3:36pm
  - rouppe
    
    Why would the hospital have to operate without them?
    
    Are you suggesting most would have refused?
    
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    October 4, 2023 5:28pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      If they got vax injured.
      
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      October 5, 2023 7:59am
  - Ghost
    
    Not sure that is true sorry. Know someone’s whose daughter worked at the Christchurch hospital, her and other doctors and nurses were let go for not having the vaccine. She is now working in Ireland. Have heard that her and others have been offered their job back and told the hospital where to stick it.
    
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    October 4, 2023 5:32pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Ghost – I’ve checked extensively, it looks almost certainly true. If it isn’t I would expect a massive effort by government, the opposition MPs and the mainstream media to prove it is false information.
      
      If they don’t I believe there will be major repercussions. As there should be. It is an outrage.
      
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      October 5, 2023 7:58am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

National will leave Auckland worse off?
1.16 in it mentions 12km of cycleways. Fuck the cyclists. Why should the motorist Pay?
Hey cyclists, user pays. You use it, you pay you bloody freeloaders.
I do think GST on Rates has to go. Auckland should lead the charge. Call it what you want, it is a double Tax!

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/mayor-wayne-brown-says-campaign-promises-from-national-will-leave-auckland-worse-off/ar-AA1hC6qB
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October 4, 2023 3:06pm
Ghost

According to a newshub article around 2 million voter packs have already been delivered. That’s a bit pathetic

Article

The Commission said more than 3.4 million EasyVote packs will be sent out, with about 2 million already delivered.

A spokesperson said most of the packs are being delivered on time, but a production issue has caused delays for those in Epsom, Mount Albert and Papakura electorates.
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October 4, 2023 3:26pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Our packs arrived today, we voted on Monday so there was no wavering in our desire to get rid of these incompetents.
  And we’re in Lower Hutt.
  
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  October 4, 2023 4:11pm
- Sparrow
  
  You don’t need the packs. Voted on Monday had no problem just gave name. Picked up pack today from my post box. Pack a load of crap they treat us like children what a waste of money. Went in the bin. Bureaucracy gone nuts.
  
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  October 4, 2023 5:18pm
  - MCōs
    
    Those packs are aimed at people who are not necessarily as familiar with the system as the likes of you and me.
    
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    October 4, 2023 5:53pm
  - Damocles11
    
    Mine went in the bin as well. A total waste.
    
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    October 4, 2023 5:59pm
- rouppe
  
  I haven’t got mine yet, and I don’t live in one of those areas
  
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  October 4, 2023 5:24pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Ditto
    
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    October 4, 2023 7:49pm
goNZ1

per RNZ ”Nearly half the teenagers who sat the first run of new NCEA maths and writing tests earlier this year failed.”

well guess who was the Education Minister for 5 of the past painful 6 years?

yes- PM (not for much longer) Hipkins
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October 4, 2023 3:30pm
Benedict Yu

I live in a group of townhouses with a ‘bank’ of letter boxes. They all have “no junk mail” or “addressed mail only” stickers. These are almost always respected by folk delivering flyers.

Today, I spotted two National Party volunteers stuffing flyers into the letter boxes. I, politely, pointed out the “no junk mail” stickers on every letter box.

One of the guys proceeded to tell me that political party flyers are not junk mail and have an exemption under the Electoral Law and need to be delivered.

I left them to it and drove off, but I didn’t believe a word. 🙂
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October 4, 2023 3:32pm
- MCōs
  
  I wonder how many people read that stuff
  
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  October 4, 2023 3:51pm
  - Ghost
    
    We got our first political junk mail today, a brochure from Meager saying where to vote. Nothing form luxton. We typically don’t get junk mail from the minor parties. Labour and Nat’e typically ends up in the bin or fire, same as the election pack, took the card out, burnt the rest without reading it.
    
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    October 4, 2023 4:13pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Labour voters are all over like flies on shit.
    
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    October 4, 2023 4:29pm
- Swifty
  
  They are exempt, from memory.
  
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  October 4, 2023 4:04pm
  - RalphT
    
    Yes, political material and I believe information being sent by your local council is exempt. I think that your local community newspaper may also be exempt, on the grounds that it may contain important information for residents.
    
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    October 4, 2023 4:30pm
    - Swifty
      
      Yes to all of those, again from memory.
      
      Pretty certain.
      
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      October 4, 2023 5:36pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Seems to be a perennial complaint…
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/97028715/election-mail-causes-frustration-for-residents-with-no-junk-mail-letterboxes
  
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  October 4, 2023 4:46pm
  - Keith White
    
    If there were indeed many exemptions granted for healthy doctors / if that turns out to be true – while they were denied for sick people, and mandated for everyone else — one can foresee there will be…. consequences.
    
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    October 4, 2023 5:13pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      It is true. Let’s see how the mainstream media respond. In particular, I want to hear the opposition MPs response. Or where they also exempted?
      
      If so, this country is going to hell.
      
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      October 5, 2023 7:56am
NothingLeft

Interesting and comprehensive primer on NZ’s power grid. Surprisingly high geothermal, Wind pretty much maxxed out.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/10/02/new-zealand-grid/
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October 4, 2023 3:39pm
Biscuit

What planet do Labour Party bigwigs live on?

Chippie has trundled Robbo out today.

Robbo says that, should Labour lose on Saturday week, ‘Chippie won’t be rolled as leader’.

A couple of things, Robbo:

1. You might very well not be an MP yourself by then and hence mightn’t even get a vote
2. What gives you the right to attempt to influence those who remain?
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October 4, 2023 4:03pm
- Matt Long
  
  Answer to 1 and 2, if Robbo knows anything, it’s how to lie.
  
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  October 4, 2023 4:18pm
Maggie Pie

One of the girls at lunch shared this with us.
Shocking if true! WATCH on tiktok…..

‘Indian Diplomat Deepak Vohra makes shocking allegations that Justin Trudeau’s plane was filled with cocaine and the reason he missed the G20 Dinner was because he was high on drugs’ 🙁

https://twitter.com/kiwiwayne2/status/1709395892023988692
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October 4, 2023 4:06pm
- Ghost
  
  Maybe he was transporting the ranfurly shield…..
  
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  October 4, 2023 4:10pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I dont think its a larfing matter ghost 🙁
    
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    October 4, 2023 4:15pm
- Biscuit
  
  India and Canada don’t much like each other these days…
  
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  October 4, 2023 4:18pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Joe: “I fully support Donald Trump for President.”
Trump: “I put that on the teleprompter!”
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October 4, 2023 4:09pm
Ghost

What a nice article

Rangitata will go back to national, Meager is everywhere, luxton gives the feeling of having given up. Meager has spent the past several months campaigning. Luxton, turns up to a debate and that is it. I’m going to guess that is common amongst many of their MP’s. they’ve thrown the towel in.

Receding red wave could wash high-profile Labour names out of Parliament

Labour’s caucus looks set to shrink dramatically at the election, as the party struggles to turn around waning support.

The party won a historic MMP majority in 2020, bringing in a whopping 65 MPs.

The red wave saw Labour win 44 electorate seats – 15 of which were previously held by National – and a further 21 candidates entered Parliament on the party list.

But that wave of support has since receded and Labour faces a very different outcome this election, with some of its most high-profile names at risk of not making it back to Parliament.
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October 4, 2023 4:22pm
- Keith White
  
  They cannot lose badly enough for my liking. I’d prefer them all gone.
  
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  October 4, 2023 4:45pm
- kevn
  
  Ghost… 18% is the buzz from labour internal polling. So long as we see less than 20% on the day.
  
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  October 4, 2023 5:36pm
Matt Long

The Hatchard Report is breaking that 4he more powerful specialist healthcare workers got exemptions from the jab that were covered by confidentiality agreements with the health ministry.
More dirty backroom deals from Labour.
https://x.com/MrMorepork/status/1709384280852553944?s=20
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October 4, 2023 4:24pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ardern was exempt, but she showed a saline jab for the cameras.//
  
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  October 4, 2023 4:37pm
  - kevn
    
    Indeed SteveO, a real possibilty. A carefully analyzed event…
    https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/covid-19/watch-trudeaus-covid-jab-was-obviously-fake/
    
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    October 4, 2023 5:15pm
- Paul Marsden
  
  Not just dirty backroom deals by Labour, but lots of questions that need to be answered by the NZMC. This is not a good look for NZ front line medical doctors who had no choice but to comply with NZMC edicts.
  
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  October 4, 2023 5:15pm
- miltonF
  
  So you’re telling me, medical professionals got exemptions for these “vaccines” while telling the public they are “safe and effective” and collecting their 30 pieces of silver for every jab put into unsuspecting people’s arms?
  
  If true, it doesn’t get much worse than that.
  
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  October 4, 2023 8:27pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    miltonF – I’ve been checking overnight. It is true.
    
    This is a rational piece talking about the implications.
    
    https://hatchardreport.com/the-ministry-of-health-granted-vaccine-exemptions-to-hundreds-among-its-key-staff/
    
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    October 5, 2023 7:53am
Maggie Pie

One of the girls at lunch is a resident of St Heliers.
Beautiful big cliff-top home with fab sea views. She was saying Acts Brooke Van Veldon wont have a sh!t show against Simon O’Connor – despite what the current polls show.

And we all agreed the only Labor MP we’d like to see returned…. is Anna Lorke.
Anna brings a lot of ‘real pizzazz’ to what is otherwise a pretty drab looking bunch of females in Labors current crop. God they’re horrible 😀
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October 4, 2023 4:53pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Gosh, you are a harsh critic…
  
  I thought I’d check out the talent…
  here they are:
  https://www.labour.org.nz/ourteam
  
  ( Priyanca is pretty glam and would fit in well with your set, don’t you think?)
  
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  October 4, 2023 5:03pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    What a SCAM cliking on that link is Maggz!
    I just donated a $100 by mistake 🙁
    
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    October 4, 2023 5:14pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Oh Lordy…
      I should’ve warned you…
      I got trapped there, but being a tight-arse, managed to locate the escape mechanism in the top RH corner.
      
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      October 4, 2023 5:33pm
  - kevn
    
    Maggy… 70% gay they say. Which ones make up the 70%?
    
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    October 4, 2023 5:33pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Certainly not hard to pick with MY gaydar kev 😛
      
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      October 4, 2023 5:39pm
  - greybeard
    
    About 15 years ago the Kapiti Coast District Council was about to have elections, and one of the mayoral contenders was a woman.
    The advertising hoardings showed a comely, young and attractive picture of someone about 30 years old.
    The reality was a couple of decades different and more like the photo’s grandmother.
    
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    October 4, 2023 6:48pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Helen Clark still uses the same Ad Agency 😀
      
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      October 4, 2023 7:22pm
- Albie
  
  Maggie Pie- Love to know what having a fab cliff top house in St Heliers with sea views gives your friend this insightful knowledge of the Tamaki electorate outcome?
  Our first house had fab views over Mission Bay to Rangitoto and I voted for MMP!
  Just saying.
  
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  October 4, 2023 7:00pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And what do you drive these days Albie?
    
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    October 4, 2023 7:24pm
Ghost

Sounds like chippy has an excuse for his defeat

“The Electoral Commission have one job, which is to run a successful election for all New Zealanders,” Hipkins said, during a call with reporters on Wednesday.

“Being this far into an election and having that many New Zealanders not having an easy vote card, and therefore believing they can’t vote because they don’t have it, that’s not acceptable.”

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October 4, 2023 5:10pm
- Keith White
  
  Go to Hades, Hipkins. Your job was to govern for all New Zealanders and there was not a day in years that you did your job. You need treatment by a kufwa.
  
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  October 4, 2023 5:16pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  YIP! As my partner jusst said… “Straight out of Goballs Handbook”. Blame everyone else for your probs and say “it wasn’t my fault”
  
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  October 4, 2023 5:20pm
  - bjools
    
    They can’t count either.
    Two goes at running a census…..
    Failed both times.
    
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    October 4, 2023 5:52pm
Swifty

It’s just been announced today, in a stunning world first, that Naida Glavish has discovered a way of determining whether someone is a racist just by looking at the shape of their mouths!

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/499388/what-is-race-baiting-and-who-decides

Just where the discovery of this fantastic capability will lead humanity is yet to be determined but our top scientists have been quoted as saying that, at the very least, Glavish will be fully occupied over the next decade travelling the world imparting this new-found skill to leading academies, universities, law enforcement organisations and anti-racism and disinformation projects worldwide.
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October 4, 2023 5:55pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Ooo-er and here was me thinking that Mr Seymour was part Maori.
  Wrong sort of Maori though – mouth doesn’t look right.
  
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  October 4, 2023 6:28pm
  - Swifty
    
    He’s a useless Maori.
    
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    October 4, 2023 8:15pm
- Damocles11
  
  ‘Glavish is affiliated to Ngāti Whātua and is also of Croatian descent. Her Croatian grandparents arrived in New Zealand in the 20th century, settling near Kaipara Harbour and changing the spelling of their name from the original Glavaš.’
  
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  October 4, 2023 7:58pm
Damocles11

According to the latest poll the attacks on ACT are working. They are down to 10% in the latest OneNews poll.
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October 4, 2023 6:05pm
- Ghost
  
  Attacks on act? Or perhaps stupid comments made by acts leader.
  
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  October 4, 2023 6:08pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Absolutely. I told Seymour he was stupid to attack Bob McCoskrie of Family First and calling Bob a liar.
    
    Bob had tens of thousands of his loyal flock viewing that and also his endorsement of Peters. Peters may not have made 5% if it was not for Seymour. If he wants to take the credit for getting the numbers up he should accept responsibility when they go down.
    
    Seymour did not like me criticizing him but I still voted for Act because Act does not believe methane contributes to global warming.
    
    Winston wants a legacy. He will not make totally outrageous demands and then go with Labour.
    
    Seymour is smart with a high IQ. However, he has never had a family so he is a little lacking in life experience.
    
    If the voters choose to give Peters over 5% Luxon and Seymour have an obligation to make a genuine effort to make things work.
    
    Telling Peters he needs a zimmer frame is immature.
    
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    October 4, 2023 7:59pm
    - Ghost
      
      I agree, Winston damaged his legacy with Ardern. His ego is that big that he wants to repair that damage and not be remembered for the Ardern government.
      
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      October 4, 2023 8:04pm
- sharont
  
  I think David Seymour spooked the electorate by saying he would sit outside Cabinet etc. Act have gone down ever since. Seymour has run a very poor campaign. We’re now looking at the possibility of Winston going with Labour/Greens/TPM as that combo would make 61 seats. Seymour is completely to blame for getting ahead of himself.
  
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  October 4, 2023 7:05pm
  - alan
    
    No, the mistake he made was agreeing Maori were indigenous. He lost all the anti Co- Governance voters to NZ first with that mistake.
    
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    October 4, 2023 8:10pm
    - cmm
      
      He could have defused that with something like: “Who cares who is indigenous or not.”
      
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      October 4, 2023 8:56pm
    - Damocles11
      
      Really? It’s a minefield out there. People will dump you and go racing to Winnie at the drop of a hat. The Winnie fans will learn – yet again – that he is only interested in his baubles once he gets back.
      
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      October 4, 2023 9:09pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        “he is only interested in his baubles once he gets back”
        
        Then give him the baubles. Make Foreign Minister. The let him be an ambassiter
        
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        October 4, 2023 9:32pm
  - David Garrett
    
    sharont: I agree; Mr Seymour is suffering from a serious attack of hubris…and people are noticing.
    
    Talking about “bottom lines” with the Nats when they are ACT’s only possible coalition partner is just plain stupid. And arrogant.
    
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    October 5, 2023 8:15am
- cmm
  
  I wonder….
  
  Perhaps Act supporters have just gone Silent Tory again.
  
  For a long time people didn’t make a noise about supporting Act. Then recently it became acceptable and more people will openly say they will vote for Act.
  But with all the media nonsense of the last week or two, maybe they have become silent again.
  
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  October 5, 2023 8:38am
Benedict Yu

“National had 36% support.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300982216/nz-election-2023-live-luxon-passes-hipkins-as-preferred-pm-nz-first-still-needed-to-govern-poll-shows

Given the state of the country, that number is a disaster.
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October 4, 2023 6:29pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  It should be National at 39 percent and ACT at 14 percent.
  
  The numbers don’t add up.
  
  Expect a monstrosity after 4 – 6 weeks of Winston doing his thing.
  
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  October 4, 2023 6:41pm
  - Ghost
    
    I think come election night it will be national around 43% act around 12%
    
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    October 4, 2023 6:56pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Why do you think so?
      
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      October 4, 2023 6:57pm
      - cmm
        
        BY: When many people say “think” they really mean “hope”. Magic thinking – that you can think something into existence.
        
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        October 5, 2023 8:40am
    - sharont
      
      Let’s hope.
      
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      October 4, 2023 7:06pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    On preferred PM Peters is on 4% and Seymour is on 3%. Seymour’s decision to go for Tamaki because of O’Connor’s opposition to his euthanasia bill and attacking Bob McCoskrie contributed to that.
    
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    October 4, 2023 8:16pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      FFS no one cares about McCoskrie
      Most people have never heard of him
      You guys are just nuts with all this reading tea leaves based on pretty shit Polling
      Its a joke to watch
      
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      October 4, 2023 9:35pm
      - double d
        
        agree
        
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        October 4, 2023 10:08pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        You think no one cares about McCoskrie, I hadn’t heard of him until this week.
        
        In that time I’ve seen the streamed QnA with Seymour, an unmitigated train wreck by Seymour. I have no doubt it cost him support.
        I also watched the streamed QnA with Peters. Like him or not, he came across as the much more measured and reasonable speaker.
        
        Anyone who arrived in NZ yesterday with zero knowledge of politics here who watched those two shows, would be almost certain to give Peters their vote, I believe 90% would be accurate.
        
        Seymour really needs to pick his game up.
        
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        October 5, 2023 7:48am
- Damocles11
  
  It might be time for serious people to think about what their future is in NZ. Large amounts of wasted vote on the Right going to all sorts of parties that won’t get over the threshold, and over on the Left there are legions of brainwashed sheep who think Labour and the Greens are the bees knees.
  
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  October 4, 2023 6:57pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Sheep will always vote for whoever feeds them.
    Never stopping to think that next year it will be
    the same person that slaughters them.
    
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    October 4, 2023 7:30pm
Maggie Pie

Watched the latest Poll results on 1Ewes.
Anyone else like us think Jessica Mutch just makes sh!t up as she goes along?
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October 4, 2023 6:52pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  So don’t watch it.
  
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  October 4, 2023 6:56pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You’re such a bossy boots!
    Bet youd be too scared to speak to the ginga like that. LOL!!
    
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    October 4, 2023 7:18pm
miltonF

At countdown supermarket the other day, I noticed they have 1KG blocks of cheese back at $10 again. It is their in-store “Woolworths” branded cheese. Well that’s good I thought. After checking the labelling for country of origin. “Processed and packaged in NZ”…not “made in Nz”…AKA Australian cheese.

Our economy is finished eh. Cheaper to import cheese from Australia than produce our own here. I’m not going to lie, I’ve been expecting and waiting for this to happen. Our economy has been sabotaged by economic Marxist vandals.
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October 4, 2023 7:44pm
- Ghost
  
  Pam’s cheese 1kg block at pak n save $9.79
  
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  October 4, 2023 7:55pm
  - miltonF
    
    Yes that’s what I usually buy from Pak n save. I think it’s definitely a loss leader for them though. They limit how many blocks you can buy. I wouldn’t be surprised if Pak n save starts selling Australian cheese for $9/KG…
    
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    October 4, 2023 8:02pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Hmm. So what you’re saying is NZ sells its dairy products for China currency, it being too dear for Kiwis to buy.
  
  Yet the cheese Kiwis eat is manufactured from Australian milk?
  
  Is that it? Is it possible that NZ dairy is so highly valued that it is all exported and we have to subsist on Australian imports?
  
  Today we had a report on the radio that NZ beef and lamb was in far less demand from China, they finding other sources, so it now be cheaper here. And indeed I’ve found rump at New World for $14, which ain’t horrible. Not cheap, but not expensive.
  
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  October 4, 2023 8:06pm
  - miltonF
    
    Did you check the origin of the rump you bought? Not uncommon to see Australian beef sold in NZ stores these days. Even McDonalds has had to remove its “100% NZ beef” claims. Now they use Australian and NZ beef.
    
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    October 4, 2023 8:39pm
  - double d
    
    NZ Beef and Lamb —- snort
    
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    October 4, 2023 10:11pm
- miltonF
  
  Here’s another example. Cheapest frozen fish in the supermarket. NZ caught Hoki, processed in….wait for it….China!
  
  So they can send fish all the way to China, process and send it back, and STILL have higher margins than if they had of breaded the fish here. It seems insane, but that is how expensive and inefficient our economy is.
  
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  October 4, 2023 8:53pm
Damocles11

In Chris Hipkins first poll as leader in January this year, 37% of respondents said they’d vote for National, and 10% said they’d vote for ACT.

So over the course of this year the National / ACT bloc has lost 1%, if the latest poll is to believed.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/01/30/first-poll-results-with-chris-hipkins-as-pm-revealed/
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October 4, 2023 8:11pm
Ghost

Awww, poor little children. How about since the education system is so fucked, and you little precious darlings can’t even do the basics we extend your school day or even throw in Saturday schooling

Thousands of Kiwi kids have signed a petition asking the Government to change the current school system to a four-day schooling week.

More than 4,000 students have signed the “Change the school week in NZ to 4 days” change.org petition, with the creator hoping to get at least 5,000 signatures.

According to the creator, students want to change the schooling week because the current “school system is draining” and a number of schools give students “mountains of homework daily”.

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October 4, 2023 8:20pm
- cmm
  
  They’ll soon be demanding the minimum wage. Double time for homework!
  
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  October 4, 2023 8:51pm
Sparrow

Reading various commentators from the right and left but more importantly listening to people. There are a few themes. Anger at all politicians for their back biting, negativity and incompetency, the move to minor parties or just giving up and won’t vote. It’s a very sad situation and frankly whatever the polls might say an election with a possible low turnout could produce anything.A curse on all their houses. The system is stuffed.
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