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mikenmildagain

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Congratulations to Katalin Karikó and Drew Weissman, winners of the 2023 Nobel prize in physiology or medicine for their discoveries concerning nucleoside base modifications that enabled the development of effective mRNA vaccines against COVID-19.
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October 3, 2023 8:01am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Back with a zinger, Mike!
  
  Welcome back, we’ve missed you.
  
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  October 3, 2023 8:02am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yeah – like a headache. 😆
    
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    October 3, 2023 10:20am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Like a hole in the head.
    
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    October 3, 2023 11:04am
- All_on_Red
  
  Aaaand he’s back!
  Told ya a stake through the heart wouldn’t work
  There’s only one way
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCbfMkh940Q
  Welcome back Mikey- hope you’ve been ok
  
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  October 3, 2023 8:06am
  - David Garrett
    
    All on: Why in God’s name would you hope he’s been OK? He is a malicious troll who delights in stinking up this fine blog…just like a certain psychopathic double killer.
    
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    October 3, 2023 8:12am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Common courtesy?
      I was concerned his Mum had lost the key to the basement and that’s why we hadn’t heard from him.
      And yes, agree he’s a Troll- smarter than most to be fair.
      Most of the trolls we see these days are pretty dumb
      
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      October 3, 2023 8:23am
      - pdm
        
        My thoughts were that Grunter had not paid Mikey’s internet bill.
        
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        October 3, 2023 8:25am
      - Jack5
        
        How does Mike/Mikenmild so often score top spot in General Debate?
        
        Is Milky a night worker? Perhaps in some sort of security job?
        
        Is he the Wellington cleaner playing with the computers before staff arrive at 9.0?
        
        Is he the trusty inmate allowed to clean the computer room before the prison clerical staff begin their duty?
        
        Or does he just live in a different time zone? The Chatham Islands?
        
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        October 3, 2023 9:42am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Lost key? No such luck.
        
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        October 3, 2023 11:07am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Must have been on holiday. Let’s see if we can give him another one.
    Maybe he could replace Chippie and debate with Luxon?
    
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    October 3, 2023 8:39am
- David Garrett
  
  I will not engage with a troll
  I will not engage with a troll
  I will not engage with a troll
  I will not engage with a troll
  I will not engage with a troll
  ……
  ……
  
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  October 3, 2023 8:10am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I already made myself that promise before he was thrown in jail.
    
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    October 3, 2023 8:40am
    - David Garrett
      
      He’s like a spoilt child who kicks the other kids’ marbles because he’s not invited to play.
      
      And YES I know that in writing this I am providing him with negative reinforcement…
      
      Do kids still play marbles I wonder? Around now, as the weather got better, “marble season” just seemed to happen every spring. Ah, happy long past days.
      
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      October 3, 2023 8:43am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Do kids still play marbles I wonder?
        
        Do kids still have to write lines as a punishment?
        
        …So many happy memories of my after-school detentions….
        
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        October 3, 2023 8:50am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Had a ‘sellotape’ tin full of them.
        These days I have not lost my marbles, but there might be a hole in the bag.
        
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        October 3, 2023 8:55am
      - Bobba Fret
        
        They probably play marbles now on a cellphone screen.
        
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        October 3, 2023 2:18pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    And yet you have…
    
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    October 3, 2023 9:06am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Mik
      Keep up the good work.
      The knitting circle seems to have stirred.
      
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      October 3, 2023 9:24am
    - John Loveridge
      
      At least you’ve now admitted that you’re a troll. It’s the first step.
      
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      October 3, 2023 12:23pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Is the troll in the room with us now?
        
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        October 3, 2023 2:24pm
- Matt Long
  
  When will this effective vaccine come available? I understand the Honourable Hapless Hipkins would like to avail himself of some.
  
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  October 3, 2023 8:16am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Matt long, you left out ‘safe’……./s
    
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    October 3, 2023 8:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That will teach him to get saline ones, same as Ardern.
    
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    October 3, 2023 8:43am
  - Ruawai
    
    Hipkins might be able to get access to the antivirals as they just changed the rules on 1 October, coincidence.
    
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    October 3, 2023 9:13am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Ffs don’t touch any of it with a barge pole. Get some ivermectin from the vet if you have to.
      
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      October 3, 2023 10:34am
    - blue collar
      
      No way Hipkins has Covid
      The only thing to him that is more important than the election is remaining leader .
      
      I’m calling Hipkins is being rolled from within and has bailed from the electioneering to shore up his support and let loose a hatchet job on whoever is challenging
      
      Kiri Allen and wood were his rivals n funny how things got leaked to the press ( staff bullying and shares ) and both gone .
      Hipkins is ruthless , expect COVID covering all day and late night sessions to frame next challenger …. My pick Jackson or Mahuta or Davis about to hv a scandal and bye bye
      
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      October 3, 2023 4:12pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        I can’t understand why they keep reporting he has had clear tests since Saturday, why is he hiding, you maybe right, they same as when he was supposed to be sick not so long ago, snd his daughters illness, turns out he was at other places to where he stated he was, he also appears to be at home one of the days in hiding, but was clearly at a hotel yesterday, or Sunday
        
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        October 3, 2023 10:55pm
- mawm
  
  Interesting paper by the Nobel laureate Weissman. (bold mine)
  
  mRNA vaccines — a new era in vaccinology
  Norbert Pardi, Michael J. Hogan, Frederick W. Porter & Drew Weissman
  
  “Potential safety concerns that are likely to be evaluated in future preclinical and clinical studies include local and systemic inflammation, the biodistribution and persistence of expressed immunogen, stimulation of auto-reactive antibodies and potential toxic effects of any non-native nucleotides and delivery system components. A possible concern could be that some mRNA-based vaccine platforms induce potent type I interferon responses, which have been associated not only with inflammation but also potentially with autoimmunity. ”
  
  So they knew about the potential side effects of the mRNA technology used for Covid as enumerated above ie the systemic inflammation, the extensive biodistribution, the persistence of the coded mRNA, the auto-immunity, the potential for the toxicity of pseudouridine and the nanoparticles and the potent interferon responses. Every one of these mechanisms for the severity of the side effects seen has been identified by researchers since the roll out of the mRNA “vaccine”.
  
  https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243
  
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  October 3, 2023 8:32am
- Burtland
  
  junk vaccine wins nobel prize
  – covid is now globally endemic
  
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  October 3, 2023 8:41am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Burtland – and trust in science, health authorities, politicians and media is in the gutter.
    Well played all involved. Assholes one and all.
    
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    October 3, 2023 10:37am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Guess they are all off the Christmas card list?
      
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      October 3, 2023 11:12am
- Grunter
  
  Effective at causing on-going excess deaths…. NZ YTD 2023 at 2,850 and counting….
  
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  October 3, 2023 8:48am
- ClanMcleod
  
  You spelt ‘Mengeles’ wrong.
  
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  October 3, 2023 8:50am
- Rusty
  
  @Mike…
  
  Any insights on how the Ranfurly shield was damaged?
  
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  October 3, 2023 8:52am
  - I remember when
    
    It was a splittingly good after match.
    
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    October 3, 2023 2:19pm
- Simon
  
  lol – “development of effective mRNA vaccines against COVID-19”
  
  In Soviet Russia they were always announcing record turnip harvest while everyone’s weekly turnip ration was being cut.
  
  Its happening again this time in NZ and all the west.
  
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  October 3, 2023 8:56am
- krazykiwi
  
  In 2018 Drew Weissman warned that prior clinical trials of mRNA vaccines had produced results which were “more modest in humans than was expected based on animal models… and the side effects were not trivial”, including “moderate and in rare cases severe injection site or systemic reactions”.
  
  In the same paper: –
  
  “A possible concern could be that some mRNA-based vaccine platforms induce potent type I interferon responses, which have been associated not only with inflammation but also potentially with autoimmunity,” they wrote. “Thus, identification of individuals at an increased risk of autoimmune reactions before mRNA vaccination may allow reasonable precautions to be taken.”
  
  Of course he missed myocardial damage (which @virtualmark insists is fiction – lol lol), downregulation of the p53 cancer suppression gene, and spike protein crossing the blood:brain barrier.
  
  Anyone remember being advised of these risks as part of your right to informed consent?
  
  Story reference
  
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  October 3, 2023 9:07am
  - virtualmark
    
    krazy is as crazy does.
    
    First, I don’t think myocardial damage is a fiction. Pfizer were clear back in 2020 that the vaccines would lead to myocarditis in a small number of people, mainly young men. Expected incidence was about 25 people across a population the size of NZ’s.
    
    But that risk of myocarditis is because Covid infection often causes myocarditis, and the vaccine is just a weak mimic of a real infection. The risk from the vaccine is more than an order of magnitude lower than the risk from actual infection.
    
    But you don’t have any sense of proportion …
    
    Also, the 2018 paper surely relates to the state-of-the-art prior to 2018. My understanding is that Biontech and Moderna only really nailed the last bits of the mRNA technology in 2019 which made mRNA vaccines viable. It’s quite likely that what were clearly known problems in 2018 were resolved after that.
    
    But sure, you know more than the Nobel Prize judging committee. Muppet.
    
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    October 3, 2023 3:08pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      So much nonsense in your comment. Just how much money did you make from promoting the Pfizer experimental therapeutics? I can think of no other reason for your being so impervious to the growing mountain of documented harms.
      
      BTW, you didn’t respond to my comment referencing a study that showed all vax recipients experiencing some from of myocardial damage.. yet you claim only 5 per million based on Pfizer’s data.
      
      Oh, and then you hilariously try to assert that I claimed the Nobel committee made a mistake…. when I did no such thing. Getting ready to bring out “far right”, “qAnon” soon? You’re running out of vituperations, vm.
      
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      October 3, 2023 4:35pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Actually krazy, I did that work pro bono.
        
        I didn’t respond to your comment because basically all your comments are nuts. You’re free to go down as many rabbit holes as you like, but you are not a serious person.
        
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        October 3, 2023 5:08pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Calling all my comments ‘nuts’ is a rather weak rebuttal from someone who clearly as some cognitive capacity. I guess that is de rigueur in the vaccine worshiping circles in which you inhabit.
        
        I posted a link to a paper that you have ignored (avoided?) three times. I’m sure you can find a solitary fault to justify complete dismissal? Go on, it’ll make you feel better.
        
        But I’m ready for that with mountains of not-funded-by-pharma studies that show egregious harm being caused the the experimental genetic therapeutics that you so enthusiastically endorse.
        
        You’ve nailed your colours (and your reputation) to the mast of a rapidly sinking ship. Hissing at those of us who could see that the ship was always a rusty death trap is a bit pointless.
        
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        October 3, 2023 9:50pm
    - Clownworld
      
      Virtualmark it is ok to not be right about everything.
      The risk benefit of the MRNA technology is by their own admission not as good for humans as for animal studies.
      Trump and others panic rushing a solution to WuHan Flu was not optimal. Accelerating medical solutions using unproven safe or effective was at best unwise or at worst evil.
      
      Either way the consequences of a rushed response had 3 outcomes.
      1) People that had side effects injuries or deaths were sacrificed unecessairly.
      2) People now distrust media, govt and medical authorities for outright lies. Trust is fragile.
      3) Divisions in society heightened.
      
      There are more systemic problems now than a human created pandemic. The cure was worse than the disease.
      
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      October 3, 2023 10:58pm
- MCōs
  
  Doesn’t take much to trigger a reaction around here
  
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  October 3, 2023 9:08am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Falsehoods deserve a reaction. Unless you’re a Labour or Green supporter in which case falsehoods are an uninteresting staple diet.
    
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    October 3, 2023 9:20am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    MCōs – not at all, just one shot of the Pfizer poison is plenty….🤡
    
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    October 3, 2023 10:39am
  - I remember when
    
    MCos:
    As Roy Rogers said, “just a tickle with the spurs.”
    
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    October 3, 2023 2:22pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Why is the comment hidden?
  
  It can’t be because of low comments, it has over 50 of them.
  
  This takes away from the credibility of this site by discouraging unpopular posts.
  
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  October 3, 2023 9:13am
  - krazykiwi
    
    It’s either -30 or net -30 that triggers hiding.
    
    In milky’s case it’s a race.
    
    I wrote about The Down Olympics back in 2021.
    
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    October 3, 2023 9:23am
    - krazykiwi
      
      ah… the, Downvote Olympics.
      
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      October 3, 2023 9:28am
      - Biscuit
        
        You trying to usurp me as Kiwiblog’s Typo King, krazykiwi?
        
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        October 3, 2023 11:23am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Yes. I really need a spilling chicker
        
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        October 3, 2023 11:32am
      - Don Beckett
        
        @kk.
        Or a chilling spectre.
        
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        October 3, 2023 11:52am
    - RoboRob
      
      Ironically it always focuses me on the message. I always expand to see just how bad. Often I would have skimmed past the message but end up reading one that has been hidden 🙂
      
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      October 3, 2023 9:31am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Going for 100?
      
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      October 3, 2023 11:15am
      - Biscuit
        
        Remember the days of the sainted Penny Bright, Steve?
        
        A downtick magnetess, that one!
        
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        October 3, 2023 11:24am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Biscuit.
        Penny was a fun troll, and she did make some good points.
        I have photos of her at Pasifika Festival at Western Springs, wearing a cardboard John Key facemask. As I said fun, she passed away in Hospital from Ovarian Cancer.
        
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        October 3, 2023 2:32pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Equivalent to Shaneel Lal winning NZer of the year…..
  
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  October 3, 2023 9:22am
  - I remember when
    
    They missed out the vital word – “New” New Zealander of the year.
    
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    October 3, 2023 2:27pm
- rouppe
  
  You just got back from another junket with Nania Mahuta?
  
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  October 3, 2023 9:52am
  - Dougal10
    
    What do you mean with , it probably is.
    
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    October 3, 2023 10:44am
Warren

Sleaze , innuendo and immature Columns in the Media by disrespectful Journalists need to be closed down immediately as there is no place for the gutter Politics that people like Amelia Wade , Lloyd Burr and Simon Wilson bring to the public.
The Media
like this Labour Government need to be taught a lesson in manners because there attitude towards people is atrocious and out of step with the majority of New Zealander’s and to see young people treating Polititains like this needs to be stopped.
This Labour Government has nothing to bring to the table for New Zealand to show the change needed and has employed dirty politics to bully those that want to see a better and prosperous New Zealand.
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October 3, 2023 8:01am
- imalwaysright
  
  Warren
  Your frustration is understandable, and I think warranted, but closing down these people would be wrong.
  
  They are the fascists, we aren’t.
  
  The more they talk, the more people can see them for what they are.
  
  Let them talk
  
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  October 3, 2023 9:33am
- Piniwi
  
  But Warren they love to wrap it in such eloquent warm fuzee waffle. But there’s more. Wait till Labour are in tatters after the election and the grown ups are again at the helm and the clicks stop coming.
  
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  October 3, 2023 10:48am
- Paulus
  
  When Wade started her election fallout Labour and Chippy were quite good, but now she see that in tatters she is getting beside herself in fury that she will not get what she wanted.
  Getting annoyingly pathetic in her tantrums.
  
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  October 3, 2023 10:53am
Guy Preston

So, in a nutshell, the public sector policies of National and ACT don’t add up. There’s also no economic crisis to justify it – sure, taxpayers should get value for money from the investment in the services they need. But our economy has got through Covid, there is no recession, inflation is falling, unemployment remains low, and our international credit rating is holding up.

And just how well will this claim by the national secretary of the Public Service Association, Kerry Davies, going to age, particularly in light of yesterday’s NZIER Board reporting that they expect interest rates to rise further?
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October 3, 2023 8:02am
- Piniwi
  
  That is not a nut shell but more like a whole nut bar. Sounds like a pheasant Plücker taking the best of the plumes to put in his cap. Those rose tinted specs really have a way of distorting ones view and might explain why it is not a colour option for transition spectacle lenses.
  
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  October 3, 2023 10:59am
- Taieri
  
  inflation is falling
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  It is indeed. Dramatically.
  
  Why my regional council rates went up 20.48% since last year then?
  And power cost will go up by another 7.7% in November, after going up 13.7% a year ago.
  Won’t mention the groceries or fuel.
  
  Apparently the submarines are considerably cheaper though, or so they say…
  
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  October 3, 2023 11:24am
- I remember when
  
  It’s what you get when you look back rather than forwards, ignore the fact that there has been massive stimulus and disregard the probable consequences.
  
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  October 3, 2023 2:34pm
Tony Stuart

Dr Ayesha Verrall has showed her true colours with a tweet last night of Chris Luxon in a chicken suit, referring to the Press debate in Christchurch.

If you want a good laugh this morning, check out all the people who have climbed into her in the replies!

https://twitter.com/drayeshaverrall/status/1708682266980110421

Luxon had the last laugh though. Later in the evening he posted a photo of him sitting down to a feed of Kentucky Fried Chicken!

https://twitter.com/chrisluxonmp/status/1708755789928861778
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October 3, 2023 8:03am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Yes Tony, Ayesha should just stick to be an awful Minister of Health. It’s an indictment on the current Labour Party that we can have, imo, the two worst health ministers in 60 years one after the other.
  
  I’d say though, that with looming decimation at the polls, Labour have only got personal attacks left in the tank.
  
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  October 3, 2023 8:17am
- slightlyrighty
  
  what gets me is, rather than simply report the facts, the MSM, (especially 3 News) just repeats the “Chicken” line.
  
  No wonder Chris Bishop was pissed off at them last night.
  
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  October 3, 2023 8:18am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Been on the road a bit today and every single news bulletin has started with a variation of “Prime Minister Chris Hipkins has rubbished National’s plans to…..”
    
    Whether it’s free diabetes monitors for under 18s, guaranteed 3 days in hospital for mothers after giving birth, or any of the many quite sensible policies they’re campaigning on, the MSM always give Chippie a free hit and report THAT as the news.
    
    Labour’s entire campaign is based on “National, ACT and NZ First will be a coalition of chaos” and rubbishing National’s and ACT’s policies. Nothing positive, nothing new, not an original thought between them. i think they saw so many idiots in the US vote for “anyone but Trump” that they think it might work here. It won’t.
    
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    October 3, 2023 4:56pm
    - Ghost
      
      I’ve never heard Hipkins talk about his policy, it’s always national he’s talking about.
      
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      October 3, 2023 5:01pm
- Tricati
  
  The fact Luxon was fully booked and Hipkins had plenty of free time to debate say’s it all – No one’s interested in having Hipkins visit.
  The inane crap from Labour saying Luxon pulled out, when Hipkins is off with Covid, only shows 1) how desperate they are & 2) how bloody nasty they are.
  
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  October 3, 2023 8:23am
  - Bill Felt
    
    I note National offered to put up their deputy leader Nicola Willis if Labour put up their deputy leader Kelvin!
    
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    October 3, 2023 11:32am
  - Philview
    
    TVNZ News of course gave Chris Hipkins a platform last night to address the country from his hotel room.
    
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    October 3, 2023 1:12pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Damn, I’m ‘permanently suspended’ (oxymoron) from Twitter so can’t read the comments. It was the only part of it that I really enjoyed.
  
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  October 3, 2023 8:26am
  - Guy Preston
    
    The link only shows Verrall’s post for me, no replies witty or otherwise…
    
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    October 3, 2023 8:38am
    - Ruawai
      
      You have to click on the post to see comments in X Twitter.
      
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      October 3, 2023 9:34am
      - Guy Preston
        
        Only if you have a Xtwatter account my dude…
        
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        October 3, 2023 10:35am
  - Ehlana
    
    I rather like Rachel Smalley’s take on it:
    “To the thousands waiting for surgery, a GP appointment, or meds right now…. I’m sorry. Your Health Minister’s a little preoccupied right now. Seriously, the state of this election campaign…..”
    
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    October 3, 2023 9:19am
    - Paulus
      
      Have finally just had an appointment this morning for a private specialist for another possible brain scan, again since a fall.
      Only January 24th next year !
      
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      October 3, 2023 10:56am
      - Ian Boag
        
        Can you explain how this is the gummint’s fault? Heaven forbid that this should be called a faiure of the private system.
        
        Some (10) years ago I trashed a shoulder and immediately went private. Had it fixed in a mere 6 months ….
        
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        October 3, 2023 7:01pm
  - nathie
    
    Some of the replies:
    
    “Why doesn’t Chippy turn up to the debate as planned? After all, you did scrap the isolation rules that would have made him stay home”.
    
    “Chris Hipkins also said the vaccine was “safe and effective…”
    
    “Would you like me to send you a nice big pack of crayons for your next mature government announcement. This isn’t even disinformation it’s just pathetic. Well done.
    Will be so glad to see the back of you all shortly.
    Not long now…”
    
    “He committed to a time and a place to debate Chris Hipkins. Hipkins then had to cancel because he has Covid-19. Now it’s Luxons fault? Get a damn grip on reality.”
    
    “You have undone years of credibility with such an Inane and Puerile Tweet, Ayesha. Very saddened to see you have Stooped So Low.”
    
    “Thanks for the utter failure,Ayesha.
    If there had been responsible adults these past six years our health system wouldn’t be such a mess.
    You are dismissed. Get out.”
    
    “Bold call from someone who chickened out of answering written parliamentary questions when there was ample time to answer them before Parliament was dissolved.”
    
    The above refers to Parliamentary Business > Written Questions #24956. Dr Shane Reti asked Dr Verral in August whether a single hospital waiting list had improved …. Dr Verral didn’t even bother replying before Parliament adjourned for the election so the auto reply said “Parliament dissolved: no reply received”.
    
    And that sums up the Labour Party 2020-2023: Arrogant, didn’t deliver, wasted money in the process, nothing more than NZ’s worse ever WOFTAM.
    
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    October 3, 2023 9:49am
    - Local Miller
      
      Thanks, appreciate the comments here. Maybe one day I’ll get an X account.
      
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      October 3, 2023 10:21am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Don’t demean yourself, LM.
        
        Maggie P does the heavy lifting for the rest of us.
        
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        October 3, 2023 6:51pm
    - Flossie
      
      Parliament being dissolved didn’t stop Mahuta signing things after that did it.
      
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      October 3, 2023 10:22am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I can read the comments if I log in on an account that I don’t use, then log out again.
    Unbelievable the number of idiots and stalkers want to contact. I just log out.
    
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    October 3, 2023 2:39pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Yeah, Labour have gone all in on the nasty on this issue.
  
  Their guy is pretending to have Covid and is in hiding, but it’s all Luxon’s fault for refusing to debate a minion.
  
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  October 3, 2023 8:43am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Yeah Nah.
    
    Labour go all in on the nasty on EVERY issue. its their templated setting
    
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    October 3, 2023 11:37am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      ‘Default setting’
      FIFY
      
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      October 3, 2023 2:40pm
- Local Miller
  
  For those with Twitter accounts, just a heads up that Twitter/X only shows the first Tweet to those of us who don’t have accounts. We can’t see replies, threads, etc.
  A bit frustrating when the link is preceded with “If you want a good laugh this morning, check out all the people who have climbed into her in the replies!”
  
  I can see the Tweet you linked to but pretty much nothing else.
  
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  October 3, 2023 8:45am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    the reader context is pretty good though!
    
    Personally I think that Hipkins is trying the Biden campaign strategy. Hide in the basement and let the press talk you up, rather than open your gob and prove that you’re an ijit….
    
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    October 3, 2023 8:54am
    - Local Miller
      
      What I said yesterday. The Biden “hide in the basement” strategy.
      
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      October 3, 2023 10:20am
  - Ehlana
    
    Most of the replies call out how pathetic, misleading and unworthy of either a serious professional (she’s supposed to be a doctor) or a Minister of the Crown her tweet was. One commentor even claims this tweet changed their vote from two ticks red to two ticks blue.
    
    Others say we should understand she’s under a lot of pressure getting her CV out just now.
    
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    October 3, 2023 9:30am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I’ve noticed that there’s quite a few vacancies for Doctors in the NZ Health system…. someone might want to employ her.
      
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      October 3, 2023 10:09am
      - Piniwi
        
        But Warren they love to wrap it in such eloquent warm fuzee waffle. But there’s more. Wait till Labour are in tatters after the election and the grown ups are again at the helm and the clicks stop coming.
        
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        October 3, 2023 11:10am
      - Keith White
        
        Dr Verrall is not a frontline clinician.
        
        “Before entering Parliament in 2020, Dr Verrall was an infectious diseases physician at Wellington Hospital and an epidemiologist at the University of Otago. She served on national technical advisory focussing on tuberculosis control and immunisation. She was instrumental in developing New Zealand’s Covid-19 response.”
        
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        October 3, 2023 11:15am
      - Piniwi
        
        Right Maggie Wassilieff and there is a waiting list just to get registered with a GP who now just seem to be like ticket collectors. They must be creaming it now with only a brief 15 minutes per consultation and they don’t even bother to check vitals or be able to refer a patient to a specialist without some other diversion. Then in some practices the receptionists seem to have the power of veto or is it one of those native gods they have been schooled up on. What sort of a name is Ngā Mihi anyway?
        
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        October 3, 2023 11:48am
    - blue collar
      
      He knows he’s lost and has 2 weeks to hold on to the leadership .
      He’s flat out creating hatchet jobs on challengers , shoring up support within , and to hell with the election
      
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      October 3, 2023 4:25pm
  - sirknz
    
    It costs you $0 to join and you can just lurk.
    
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    October 3, 2023 2:28pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Just create an account but don’t use it. Block the incoming.
    
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    October 3, 2023 2:41pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Insult from Verrall really. Typical. Next it would be branding Luxon ‘racist.’
  That’s the way it usually works.
  
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  October 3, 2023 9:00am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yeah – racist against the ‘Ginga’ ethnicity. 😆
    
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    October 3, 2023 10:36am
  - Paulus
    
    Remember Verrall is of the Rainbow Community so many males are offside automatically such as Luxon.
    
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    October 3, 2023 10:59am
- Flossie
  
  According to the reader survey after both the previous debates Luxon won by a huge majority so why would they be saying he’s afraid? I think we know who the chicken really is.
  
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  October 3, 2023 9:21am
- Lee C
  
  Fascinating that in teh middle of an election campaign, Dr. Verral had time to put this rather amateurish piece of artwork together.
  
  She should put it on Trademe.
  
  Labour needs all the cash it can get.
  
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  October 3, 2023 9:52am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Maybe get aunty Helen to sign it?
    
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    October 3, 2023 10:42am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Ferries canceled again. The wind dropped to nothing late avo yesterday; it’s got up again but nothing spesh. Maybe there’s a sea running, I can’t see Cooks Straight, but I wonder whether it’s not more about Kiwiboat worrying about how they rescue people if the ship breaks down. Could be they’ll be a fine weather only service before long.
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October 3, 2023 8:06am
- SoloView
  
  @ NeverMind
  
  Were you including Bluebridge in your comments?
  The firm which has also cancelled 6 passenger sailings today?
  The firm that cancelled sailings earlier this year due to their new ferry breaking down….
  
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  October 3, 2023 10:34am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Imagine if our cars broke down on the same ratio and ferry ships
    The motorways would be blocked wit shitboxes – near new shitboxes.
    Maybe that Genter import can explain this? Ferries are public transport right?
    
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    October 3, 2023 2:57pm
Souvlaki

A good synopsis from Bryce Edwards here….I wonder if Labour actually can muster the self awareness to appreciate its truth.
I’m quietly hoping Bob Jones’s prediction of 20% for Labour on 14th is correct.

https://democracyproject.nz/2023/10/03/bryce-edwards-ten-reasons-labours-support-has-halved/
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October 3, 2023 8:08am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  I’m going bullish and supporting Bob Jones’ position.
  
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  October 3, 2023 8:18am
- David Garrett
  
  Souvlaki: Yes, I also thought Edwards’ piece was very good. Note though that he doesn’t think Labour’s vote will be below 25% – which is still substantial, albeit only half what they got last time. I reluctantly agree with those who say we must have a viable opposition, and I supposed that means Labour. If the Greens were the major opposition party we would really be in the shit.
  
  IIRC when the Fairy Princess took over from Angry Andy in 2017 they were on 17%?? I remember political commentary at the time that pondered whether they could survive what was looming to be a catastrophic defeat in 2017
  
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  October 3, 2023 8:37am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Edwards also claims towards the end that Labour has done lots of good things – but conspicuously fails to mention even one of them!
    
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    October 3, 2023 9:01am
    - kowtow
      
      or this , that is constantly trotted out by the illustriaty.
      
      ‘its successful handling of the first wave of Covid’
      
      There was nothing “succesful” about the initial response .
      That response must be judged not in terms of the first weeks or months , but by the whole picture .
      
      Which is a disaster , across the board.
      
      We had a pandemic plan like all western countries but that was torn up and we copied the Red Chinese .
      
      And are now living with the consequences .
      
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      October 3, 2023 9:23am
      - NothingLeft
        
        I learned about covid late Jan 2020 and was warning everyone to prepare, bought several months storable food and medicines, and started telling everyone we needed to quarantine NZ immediately so that it wouldn’t get a foot hold (we still didn’t have clear picture of how lethal it was).
        
        It took Labour two months from that point to finally get around to doing quarrantine+lockdown, well after covid had taken hold in NZ and with 1000’s of local cases and several months of ruinously expensive lockdowns required to eliminate it as a result. And even then they only did it because they were threatened with ad campaigns by a group of high-net-worth NZers.
        
        They were stupidly and incredibly expensively late to do what was obviously needed two months earlier. Typically useless incompetence as we have become accustomed to with Labour
        
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        October 3, 2023 10:09am
      - kowtow
        
        I was saying, at the time , the cure was going to be worse than the illness .
        
        And I was right.
        
        or in summary ;
        
        Cpl Jones ;
        “Don’t panic”.
        
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        October 3, 2023 10:14am
      - krazykiwi
        
        NothingLeft – “I… started telling everyone we needed to quarantine”
        
        Well you were foolish then. Respiratory pathogens was always circulated despite attempts to stop them via non-pharmaceutical interventions. Even the WHO specifically recommended against quarantines.
        
        As much as I despise Labour in general, and Ardern specifically, I can’t bring myself to lambaste them for being slow to take actions that were always known to be foolish and harmful.
        
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        October 3, 2023 11:58am
      - NothingLeft
        
        We didn’t know what the CFR and IFR were for several months. We saw catastrophic health crises in Italy and New York with hospitals severely overwhelmed, and what little info that was coming out of Wuhan being similarly worrying. We knew NZs hospital capacity was near worst in OECD.
        
        Pathogens always evolve for maximum transmissibility, and generally over time that means they lose lethality as they prioritise mutations that improve transmission. Early 2020 covid variants more lethal than later. If we had let-er-rip though NZ in 2020 we would have lost about 5-10,000 (1-2000 per million was typical pre vaccine), and still had hugely disrupted country as dreadfully inadequate hospitals were overwhelmed by sick elderly and govt mucked around with mitigation measures closing work and schools etc. So elimination probably was cheapest option for NZ in first half 2020 until clarity over dangers was established.
        
        By mid 2020 I thought we should isolate vulnerable and let it rip through healthy young people using variolation (deliberate tiny dose that gives immune response more time to build up before viral load hits peak). Initial age-stratified estimates on IFR and R0 suggested we could have isolated most vulnerable and deliberately infected healthiest/youngest 60-70% of population in stages over a couple of months to achieve near herd-immunity for loss of only a few hundred lives, and then opened NZ up again. A slightly more structured and scientific variation on what Sweden did.
        
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        October 3, 2023 12:51pm
  - RoboRob
    
    ‘ I reluctantly agree with those who say we must have a viable opposition, and I supposed that means Labour’
    
    Strongly disagree. Bob Jones, who financially bailed Labour out because he thought the country needed them did NZ a great disservice. Just like the Ski fields being bailed out by the government, if a business is viable it will survive, if not let it fail and another will take its place.
    
    By bailing out Labour, Bob kept alive a failed organisation which the country was unfortunately then forced to endure. If Bob had not bailed out Labour (and also had not supported NZF) we may not have had a bunch incompetent boobs in charge these last 6 years. If Labour is allowed to fail it will surely be replaced by a party that is fit for purpose, one which can provide a viable alternative. The greens (NZF, TPM etc) are not such a party, but perhaps could become so if the opportunity is presented. Likely it would be some entirely new entity.
    
    So yes, we need choice and viable opposition parties but we should let the market decide who they are, not simply prop up existing failed parties for fear of life without them.
    
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    October 3, 2023 9:08am
    - Matt Long
      
      I wonder why people are so accepting of Jones propping up Labour, without his irrational largesse we might never have been saddled with the atrocious Ardern.
      His reasoning for helping Labour in the 2017 campaign is entirely false as well. Should Labour have fallen completely, a well deserved and desirable but unlikely outcome, there’s no shortage of parties to take its place, from Greens for the whackos, to NZ First, a resurgent Dunne party or a wet factional split off National.
      
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      October 3, 2023 9:26am
      - Matt Long
        
        I would guess that deep down Jones knows that Labour governments mean hectares of troughers to fill his buildings and he knows on which side his bread is buttered.
        
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        October 3, 2023 9:28am
      - mawm
        
        Matt -without Labour imagine how much further left Luxon could take National. /s
        
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        October 3, 2023 10:41am
    - SoloView
      
      @ RoboRob
      Could it be said that if it wasn’t for rich listers like Graeme Hart, Murray Bolton and Nick Mowbray each donating $250,000 to (bailing out?) the National party it may fail?
      
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      October 3, 2023 10:52am
      - RoboRob
        
        Could be. My comments apply to National as much as Labour. If the National party serves no purpose it too should go.
        
        In my opinion it’s quite possible if Labour was to go we would end up with 3 major parties….
        
        Act filling the National / Act right wing
        National filling the (supposed) NZF centrist
        NZF filling the Left
        
        Possibly a new conservative minor party (act are more libertarian than conservative) and the greens as the minor parties. I think TPM would be gone (Act, some of National and some of NZF correctly believe in the abolition of Maori seats).
        
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        October 3, 2023 11:29am
      - JimBobJoe
        
        Yeaah nah… they have a very diverse donation sources. Unlike Labour who if they couldnt garnish workers wages via Union dues would be broke, as most thinking people see them for who they are: Authoritarian know it alls who have generally achieved little outside of union, teaching or academic roles….
        
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        October 3, 2023 11:41am
  - NothingLeft
    
    But labour keep selecting Muppets for their list. You can’t have a viable opposition if the MPs are all incompetent SJWs with low IQ and no leadership, managerial or economic comprehension. The last 6 years of musical Ministers have illustrated just how woefully lacking in necessary skills Labour MPs are.
    
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    October 3, 2023 10:20am
    - RoboRob
      
      Thats my point above. Labour was so incompetant it should have been allowed to fail. If they were about to go broke leading up to the 2017 election, why exactly should the be trusted with the govt accounts?
      
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      October 3, 2023 11:30am
- bennerg
  
  I suspect Bob Jones will be right, and that it may even go lower, as Labour voters either vote Green, or not at all. That can only be the reason why the Greens are polling so high (those being polled have to give some answer to the pollster), but I expect on election day Labour’s numbers will be down on what the polls are currently telling us.
  
  ACT on the other hand are doing it hard as National have a strong campaign. If Seymour had been a bit smarter and been more accomodating to those questioning the narrative fed to us during the pandemic, he would be hoovering up way more votes. As it stands I predict that ACT is not going to be that much different than NZ First on election day, as those currently saying they’ll vote for any of the <5% parties realise their votes will be wasted, and go for NZ First. And there's potentially another 5-8% there.
  
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  October 3, 2023 8:41am
  - miltonF
    
    Exactly. It’s a stupid strategy by Seymour. The truth was always going to come out about Covid and the “vaccines”. One should never acquiesce to falsehoods and ignorance of the masses. Even when you think it might gain you some temporary support. That was Ardern’s strategy, and look how that turned out for her! Perhaps the most hated kiwi to ever be born.
    
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    October 3, 2023 8:07pm
- Scott
  
  Agreed, a good synopsis by Bryce Edwards of Labour’s woes.
  The difficulty for the NZ labour party is that since the Helen Clark years they haven’t actually been Labour. In other words, they haven’t actually represented the interests and values of the working class man.
  
  Since the Helen Clarke years things have only got more out of touch. Labour is dominated by middle class, university educated elites who have never done a day’s manual work in their lives.
  
  The thing today’s Labour Party cares about are not what the average working man cares about.
  For example, the economy is terrible, inflation is rising and ordinary families are struggling to pay the bills and put food on the table.
  
  In response what does Chris Hipkins announce? He announces Labour’s rainbow policies, relentlessly advocating for all things homosexual and transgender.
  
  How do you think that plays among the traditionally Labour supporting, church going, Pacific islanders of South Auckland?
  
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  October 3, 2023 8:49am
- Cassandra
  
  Althogh it’s listed at No. 9 of 10, racism, its radical and wrong reinterpretation of the Waitangi treaty and Maori preference is without doubt the biggest single factor. The others can be fixed but if Labour believes in Puapua then it can kiss its future goodbye. Kiwis will not stand for rule by tribal Barons.
  
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  October 3, 2023 9:02am
  - Local Miller
    
    I hope you are correct about this Cassandra.
    
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    October 3, 2023 10:29am
- redeye
  
  Pretty good read from Edwards but I completely disagree with his number 5.
  
  Survey after survey shows the public is open to significant reform of taxes, including introducing capital gains and particularly wealth taxes.
  
  You can bet your wife that if Labour thought there was votes in either the envy tax, or the tax on inflation it would have been rushed through with urgency.
  
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  October 3, 2023 9:07am
- Diogenes
  
  Bryce Edwards has provided an excellent analysis of where things are at with Labour.
  Reading that, I noticed the headline of an earlier article by him on the general state of play in New Zealand politics, looking at the feelings in the general population that are of great concern. It’s the best analysis that I have seen so far, and may well be validated by the election results.
  
  https://democracyproject.nz/2023/09/19/bryce-edwards-a-very-hollow-election/
  
  From my own discussions with friends, acquaintances, family, etc, a huge number of people are finding it extremely difficult to decide who to vote for. My eldest son has been a staunch Labour supporter for many years, but won’t have a bar of them or Greens this year. So I’m picking a record low turnout.
  
  In the process, my own feeling is that there’s a very strong chance of a hung parliament, with neither Labour/Greens/TPM nor NAct being able to crack 60 seats (of course, any overhangs might distort this). In which case, Winston will definitely be king-maker. Because of his antipathy to David Seymour, I have strong reservations that he’ll side with National. But I can’t see him wanting to share power with TPM. What’s the betting that he would agree to go with Labour, providing that they ditch TPM?
  
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  October 3, 2023 10:37am
  - RoboRob
    
    What’s the betting that he would agree to go with Labour, providing that they ditch TPM
    
    In the same way in 2017 he had labour ditch the Greens in return for his support? 100%
    
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    October 3, 2023 11:32am
- Piniwi
  
  Uptick for last sentence. Bryce Edwards is shilling for old Winston First these days and will be just another biased voice in the wind after 14th October. Just Thinking out loud but we can look forward to not just a pile of rejected Labour MP’s but also a pile of misplaced scribblers of controlled “news”. As King James said “no news is good news”.
  
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  October 3, 2023 12:04pm
kiwikidsnz

Race based fishing restrictions imposed ad hoc by Environment Court with no public consultation for next 10years.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/environment/133043164/new-adhoc-nofishing-area-spoils-plans-for-summer-of-sailing-and-fishing

“Exceptions to the no-take rules include kina harvest, and activity involved with restoration, research and tikanga, such as customary fishing.”
https://i.stuff.co.nz/environment/130772549/environment-court-forces-new-nofishing-zone-in-northlands-bay-of-islands
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October 3, 2023 8:08am
- Terry Dalee
  
  It’s coming to the Hauraki Gulf too.
  https://legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2023/0282/latest/versions.aspx?search=ta_bill%40bill_H_bc%40bcur_an%40bn%40rn_25_a&p=1
  
  Many areas that I enjoyed fishing in are to become High Protection Areas. No take except if your the right colour. What makes fish Maori take less impactful that a fish taken by a white person, Asian person, middle Eastern person….? Usually target Kahawai, not snapper.
  
  I’m so disgusted that was the final straw, that I ve put in for a transfer to Brisbane.
  
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  October 3, 2023 10:57am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Remember when Indian wickets were a mystery to visiting Kiwi batsmen? Not any more.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/black-caps/300981541/black-caps-beat-south-africa-by-seven-runs-in-cricket-world-cup-warmup-game
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October 3, 2023 8:09am
CAKE FACE1

In 2017, I saw when Winston opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, “Come and see!”

And I saw, and behold a white horse: and Mr. Mallard that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. He doth play bad music and fired water sprinklers.

And Mr. Mallard Sayeth, “While my horse continued galloping, I was bending my bow in order to spread pestilence in Aotearoa. I ride the Zero Covid Pestilence Horse of the Apocalypse.” At his back swung the brass quiver filled with poisoned arrows, containing the germs of Covid.

And when Winston had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, “Come and see!”

And there went out another horse that was ginger: and power was given to Mr. Hipkins that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

And Chippy Sayeth, “I am the Police Minister, and we will have a crime wave. I’ll also throw co-governance into the mix. I ride the civil war Horse of the Apocalypse.”

And when Winston had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, “Come and see!” And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and Robbo sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

And I heard Robbo’s voice in the midst of the four beasts say, “A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.” Then Robbo gorged everything with both fists, and between mouthfuls, he sayeth, “I ride the famine Horse of the Apocalypse.” His poor horse was squashed dead. Robbo ate it.

And when Winston had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, “Come and see!”

And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and her name that sat on him was Death, and others called her Cindy, and Hell followed with her. And power was given unto her over the fourth part of the earth, called Aotearoa, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

And the kings of the Aotearoa, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains, for six long years.

And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Cindy that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Chippy.

October 14th 2023 is judgement day; the great day of elector wrath is come; and who amongst them shall be able to stand?

PREDICTION (after adjusting for wasted votes):
National 42%
ACT 14%
Labour 23%
Greens 12%
Māori 2% (1 electorate)
Winston 1st 7%
100%
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October 3, 2023 8:10am
- Dave
  
  And kind of related, at least for the superstitious, the voting booth map shows that Auckland has 666 voting booths.
  
  https://map.vote.nz/voting-places
  
  The devil moves in mysterious ways.
  
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  October 3, 2023 9:22am
- Tom Hunter
  
  That’s very, very good Mr Cakeface. First chuckle of the day here amidst the gloom.
  
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  October 3, 2023 10:13am
- Local Miller
  
  Excellent parody, well done.
  
  As a Christian I don’t have any problem with a parody like this. Better not try it with the religion of peace.
  
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  October 3, 2023 10:34am
- RoboRob
  
  Your predictions look accurate to me. Maybe Nat 43 and labour 22. I’m thinking it looks very bad for Labour.
  
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  October 3, 2023 10:43am
krazykiwi

Fun fact: US banks have almost $600 billion in unrealised losses which represents almost 25% of all banking capital.

Anyone predicting there won’t be another crash?
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October 3, 2023 8:14am
- Tom Hunter
  
  When is the crash:
  
  Government, of course, thrives at every stage of this horror-show.
  
  When the money’s cheap they steer investment into politically-favored industries like solar or wind or even into government-funded “non-profits.”
  
  Then when the crash hits, governments bail out their donors and fund new trillion dollar welfare schemes using those millions of laid off workers as human shields. Every crisis is an opportunity for the ones who caused the crisis. Even as each cycle destroys trillions in wealth and millions of lives.
  
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  October 3, 2023 8:30am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I read Peter St Onge each week. Lucid commentary.
    
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    October 3, 2023 9:29am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Yes very succinct and in plain English. Good stuff.
      
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      October 3, 2023 7:59pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yesterday I left a link about Dems deliberately crashing the economy.
  
  Will they crash the Economy to call off the 2024 Election?
  Democrats are nasty and desperate. They will do anything to stop Trump draining the swamp and taking away their corrupt lifestyle.
  
  I don’t know who these guys are.
  
  https://www.redvoicemedia.com/video/2023/10/will-they-crash-the-economy-to-call-off-the-2024-election-what-should-you-do/
  
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  October 3, 2023 9:15am
  - Che Guava
    
    It’s not “the Dems,” it’s the Regime. There aren’t really two parties who genuinely oppose each other in any meaningful sense, just the appearance thereof. The GOP exists to assure people that the building isn’t really on fire, despite the evidence of their senses.
    
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    October 3, 2023 10:32am
- RoboRob
  
  I will !
  
  There wont be another US bank system crash in the near future. There will be some failed banks (as has already happendd) but the system will not crash.
  
  The losses you point to are 10yr bonds which are currently pretty worthless because interest rates have risen so high so fast. So long as the banks remain liquid they can hold these and unload them when rates stabilise or drop. IF things look to go bad the US govt / treasury will rapidly drop interest rates, returning value to the bonds and making them profitable. That would stuff fighting inflation and hurt the economy long term but the govt would do it to avoid a collapse.
  
  All that said. I would be looking at China for the next big crash. The fact we know they have issues, when they are very careful to hide data and save face, means that things are likely a hell of a lot worse then we know. If things start to go bad in China look to a possible invasion of Taiwan.
  
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  October 3, 2023 9:15am
  - Keith White
    
    Who was it who said “prediction is hard, especially of the future”
    
    Anyway, what I think will happen:
    
    National will get in, ACT will get enough MPs to partner with them, they will fight like cat and dog except when they have to unite to fight the Labour-and-Apartheid troughers.
    
    Greens will continue to be the party for Chardonnay-drinking middle-aged virtue-signalling white women whose husbands earn enough for them to be able to ignore reality. For now (see below).
    
    National will dial down about 10% of the apartheid intensity but the installed bureaucrats and shrieking harpies of both genders will protect the remaining 90%. For now.
    
    Whether it’s a true-flag nuke or a false-flag nuke or a gas or a bug strike, something very bad will happen in Eastern Europe and prices of fuel will instantly skyrocket and since we are financially as well as geographically right at the back of the queue we will go into full fossil fuel rationing.
    
    The zombie-Biden will be unable to be reanimated one day, the dress-wearing Obama will refuse to do the work that even campaigning from a basement requires, Trump and RFK Jnr will be taken out by the deep state (Trump by lawfare, RFK by something worse), Newsom will campaign with a truckload of hair gel and will get 110 million votes at 0200 – and so he will win, for some values of winning.
    
    2024 will be a repeat of 1929 except with way fewer people able to be self-sufficient for any period of time. The Burn-Loot-Murder riots will look like a pathetic garage start-up compared to the chaos that will ensue when when no matter how vigorously the Authorised Victime Groups (TM) people riot and no matter how many selfies organisms like Philadelphia’s Meatball take screaming “everyone must eat!” — the late-20th-Century Gibs-Me-Dat Revolution will fail and all the welfare states of the world; because, not enough crops will be harvested and packed, shipped and delivered, because there won’t be enough fuel.
    
    In short, the proverbial excrement will indeed hit the metaphorical rotating air impeller.
    
    On the bright side, it’ll be so bad that all the race-baiting tax-guzzling grand-standing parasites of not just New Zealand but of most countries will go down with the sinking ship. No lifeboats for them!
    
    On the other hand, considering I have literally never won a lottery prize in my life, I’m most likely wrong 🙂
    
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    October 3, 2023 9:50am
- Tom Hunter
  
  The CRE market is that one to watch this time around…Your first loss is your best loss
  
  Somehow in the last section on the US CRE I forgot about Chicago, Death Spiral Evidence:
  
  Roughly 23% of CMBS loans tied to Chicago buildings were considered either distressed or delinquent in August — about three times the average of 7.2% across the nation’s top 20 markets — according to an analysis by Kroll Bond Rating Agency released Sept. 11.
  
  The city’s distressed rate surpassed second-place Denver (19.1%), Philadelphia (14.2%) and San Francisco (13.9%) and represented a near doubling of the 12.5% rate KBRA reported for Chicago last June.
  
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  October 3, 2023 10:21am
kowtow

Front page of the Whoreald making out that thugs bashing people in the small hours and then making off in vehicles are doing it out of starving desperation to feed their young ‘uns.
Charles Dickens moralising fiction at its best .

It’s the Ferald that is desperate .
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October 3, 2023 8:15am
Matt Long

Here’s a talk from Banks and Leighton Smith on Newstalk, the bad blood between Banks and Peters runs back more than 30 years.
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/podcasts/the-leighton-smith-podcast/
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October 3, 2023 8:20am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Banks is a scumbag. He pressured the woman he was going with to get an abortion and would not recognize his own son.
  
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  October 3, 2023 8:39am
  - Colville
    
    Just to throw some red meat into the ring to see who bites…
    
    If a man and woman have consensual sex and said woman gets accidentally pregnant… shouldnt the man have a say about IF the woman brings pregnancy to term?
    
    I mean… the man might not want a mini me walking around…certainly might not want to be tapped for child support for 20 years…
    
    Thoughts??
    
    Extend this out if you want to have an argument with a feminist.. ( 🙂 ) … so Man demands woman has Baby…and demands that HE is sole carer…and SHE must pay him to stay home and look after it… no abortion for you young lady!
    
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    October 3, 2023 8:46am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      She must pay him to stay home and look after it?
      Nope, it don’t work that way. It should but it don’t.
      
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      October 3, 2023 9:20am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      He then had to be taken to court and still refused to recognize his son. AFAIK the son has not gone for any money.
      
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      October 3, 2023 9:23am
    - Che Guava
      
      “If a man and woman have consensual sex and said woman gets accidentally pregnant”
      
      If they consent and they have an IQ above 50, its hardly an accident if pregnancy results, if by accident we mean the dictionary definition “an event that happens by chance or that is without apparent or deliberate cause.”
      
      Moreover, “… have a say about IF the woman brings pregnancy to term?” is an impressive euphemism for having a say about killing an unborn child.
      
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      October 3, 2023 10:38am
    - ISeeRed
      
      If a woman can opt out of motherhood, a man should be able to opt out of fatherhood. There, genuine equality.
      
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      October 3, 2023 11:04am
  - Matt Long
    
    When a man pressures a vulnerable woman to have an abortion, it that my body, my choice?
    
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    October 3, 2023 9:33am
    - Keith White
      
      This government codified this principle into law; when a politician and / or bureaucrat pressures a vulnerable woman to get a gene-altering treatment, she can’t rely on ‘my body my choice’ – the State will bully and coerce her most effectively.
      
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      October 3, 2023 9:53am
krazykiwi

Here’s a shit poll question that apparently results in 60% of all Britons wanting 15-Minute cities.

The question asked if people wanted lots of amenities withing 15mins walk of their residence.

Puppies, anyone?

The result has been support for the WEF-brainfart concept that proposes punish people who move more than 15 minutes walk away from their designated gulag.
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October 3, 2023 8:23am
- Bullion
  
  What’s wrong with the premise to have amenities close by?
  
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  October 3, 2023 11:15am
  - krazykiwi
    
    What’s wrong with deliberately pretending to not see the manipulation?
    
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    October 3, 2023 11:36am
    - Bullion
      
      You put punish in italics to scare people. How are they proposing to punish people? Is this just internalising externalities?
      
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      October 3, 2023 12:01pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Don’t be so obviously stupid. Unless you’ve been living under a rock, something I concede could be a possibility, you will know that the WEFs 15 Minute City concept is a restrictive gulag, complete with penalties for straying. To wit, Oxford, UK:
        
        “15 minute city zones that have been proposed by Oxford City Council as part of the Local Plan 2040 have garnered significant controversy. The plan, which will see traffic filters installed on six roads as part of a £6.5m trial, is set to commence in 2024. Under these new filters, residents will be able to drive freely around their own neighbourhoods but will be fined up to £70 for driving into other neighbourhoods through the filters. The plan’s aim is to create neighbourhoods in Oxford where ‘essential’ facilities are accessible by a walking distance of up to 15 minutes. ”
        
        Punishment … in italics. Just for you. You’re welcome.
        
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        October 3, 2023 3:07pm
      - virtualmark
        
        From having lived in Oxford … it’s a University town, where voting for the local council is dominated by students. So you tend to get weird very-leftish councils.
        
        Not too dissimilar to what I see in Wellington Central, where the combo of lots of students and lots of early-20s professionals moves the voting balance a long way towards the Greens.
        
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        October 3, 2023 3:13pm
      - Bullion
        
        So this is like congestion charging that National are so keen to bring in?
        
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        October 3, 2023 6:19pm
- Ehlana
  
  Do you have a link to evidence that 15-minutes cities are actually going to be forced on people? Or have any “punishment” attached to them?
  
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  October 3, 2023 1:58pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Refer to my 3:07pm above. No one should buy the “amenities will be close” malarkey. The objective to to keep people’s movements controlled under threat of punishment.
    
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    October 3, 2023 3:24pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      I might vote for it if I thought that all the amenities I need & want would be within a 15 walk.
      
      Yeah, nah.
      
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      October 3, 2023 7:06pm
oldpark

Hipkins Labour Government the Party of Obfuscation strike again .
Ever since Hipkins Cabal got selected onto the
NZ Government benches seems other than Racist Ideology every thing they promised to do never seemed to deliver or arrive.
Of course they were supported by NZs corrupt bribed Mainstream Media with lies and confusion .
Take the latest Daddy of them all sicko assessment
with complete lies .
Seems Hipkins had an agreement to do a debate with Mr. Luxon on Tuesday .
Hipkins reneged and said he was sick .
Believe it or not all hell broke loose against Mr.Luxon who was available for the debate on Tuesday .
Out of the woodwork came a massive attack and assault on Mr .Luxon by Hipkins Inept Inane gang of no hopers led by Labour ratbags and even worse a huge pile on by both almost bankrupt Television News Channels on the six’o clock news saying he had pulled out of the debate .
Seems just like the lies and Obfuscation over last Six Years by Hipkins Gang it is or was always someone else to blame .What an indictment yesterday over the lies against Mr.Luxon by so called Adults, that lot have nothing to be proud of.
The answer to end such lies and fake news.
“Two Ticks Blue.”
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October 3, 2023 8:24am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I suspect there was no Covid positive test.
  Labour (the nasty Party) dreamed up a way to attack National and Luxon.
  Somehow no debate has become Luxon’s fault!
  Meanwhile, what is going on in the background that we don’t know about? We know Labour does this deflection trick.
  
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  October 3, 2023 9:26am
- rjay
  
  Labour. Gaslighting since forever.
  
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  October 3, 2023 10:55am
Maggie Pie

It’s all happening up North 😎 😎

NZ First’s Harvard Scholar Shane Jones says….. he’s willing to debate Laborious MP Kelvin Davis “anyplace, anytime”

https://tiktok.com/@shanejones.nz/video/7285178159211842818

(full screen/sound up)
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October 3, 2023 8:31am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think Rawiri Waititi might beat him at Māori Karaoke…
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/10/election-2023-video-te-p-ti-m-ori-s-rawiri-waititi-reveals-he-s-not-a-fan-of-democracy-teaches-newshub-guitar.html
  
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  October 3, 2023 9:08am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Maorioke.
    
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    October 3, 2023 9:27am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      oke from maoriogee.
      
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      October 3, 2023 10:04am
      - imalwaysright
        
        …we don’t take no trips in LTDs…
        
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        October 3, 2023 10:53am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Shane Jones will be debating by himself.
  
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  October 3, 2023 3:03pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Email to me from National.

I’m extremely disappointed to see Labour falsely claiming that I have “pulled out” of the Stuff Press debate scheduled for tomorrow evening.

To be clear, I have not pulled out of the debate – the debate isn’t going ahead because Chris Hipkins has Covid and rescheduling during the last week of the campaign has proven impossible.

Claims that I have pulled out are just more misinformation being spread by Labour, because they have nothing positive to say about themselves and have no positive plans for New Zealand.

Labour have no track record to run on, so again, they are resorting to desperate smears. Kiwis deserve better.

I’ve already debated Chris Hipkins twice and I look forward to debating him again in the final debate on TVNZ next Thursday night.

This morning Chris Bishop offered for Nicola Willis to debate Kelvin Davis – Deputy v Deputy – instead. Labour has not even bothered to respond to that and I think we all know why. They have a weak team, whereas National has a strong team.

In the meantime, I’m looking forward to spending the final two weeks of the campaign meeting Kiwis, and telling them how a change to a National Government will rebuild the economy, drive down the cost of living, restore law and order, improve education and healthcare, and deliver tax relief.

Thank you,
Christopher

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Hipkins was on the idiot box this morning. In a hotel to I guess he is not in Wellywood.
I don’t see why the debate can not be done by video. The Moderator can control the mics. Also no noise from an annoying biased audience.
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October 3, 2023 8:34am
- imalwaysright
  
  Hipkins looked ok this morning .
  His eyes were red as if he was crying all night, but, apart from that, his voice was fine.
  Maybe he is weak and needs to harden up.
  
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  October 3, 2023 8:51am
- Im Right
  
  Steve, do you really think Luxon would ‘win’ that debate?
  All the MSM, and lefties of course, would have chippie at +10 for having the debate from his ‘death bed’, and even if Luxon wiped the floor with the PM, chippie would still be the winner as the debate was held when he was ill and not up for it and in top form etc etc
  Was always going to be a lose/lose debate for Luxon and good on him for cancelling.
  
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  October 3, 2023 8:51am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    If there was a debate we ‘could’ make up our own minds on the winner instead of listening to the lying media.
    
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    October 3, 2023 9:30am
    - RichardX
      
      Like the Republican primary debates?
      
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      October 3, 2023 8:09pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Does Mr Hipkins, the Prime Minister, permanently live in a hotel?
  Or is he there because he is sick?
  Rather odd.
  Hope the hotel is one of the approved prison-like variety that all the home-coming people had to endure during the lock downs.
  
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  October 3, 2023 9:01am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    To ask the question is to answer it, Comrade.
    
    Perhaps there is no home to go to – our dear leader may be living out of his car?
    
    He is a saint who walks among us, living the life of the poor and indigent, so as to work more effectively for them.
    
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    October 3, 2023 9:05am
    - cas
      
      i was stuck in a queue at the supermarket this am and Chippie is on the cover of the Womens’ weekly talking about how he built lots of things in his house and more obnoxiously goes on to talk about parenting, when he made it clear his kids were off limit.
      
      No I didn’t buy it but had time to flick through and though how electioneering it was being published this week.
      
      So he does have his own house.
      
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      October 3, 2023 12:04pm
      - Manu-Rau
        
        There’s a great (or terrible, depending on your level of wokeness) joke doing the rounds at the Upper Hutt Cossie Club at the moment, regarding Chippy’s interview with Women’s Weekly.
        
        Unfortunately it’s not suitable for our esteemed host’s blog.
        
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        October 3, 2023 3:18pm
  - emmess
    
    Why doesn’t Hippocritkins debate via video link?
    
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    October 3, 2023 9:13am
    - MCōs
      
      Ask the people who organize the debate
      
      Personally I think the steam has gone out of these debates. There’s been two and by now they are just repeating the same old stuff and some big issues are not even mentioned.
      In fact I think this campaign has become extremely tiresome. The only question is will the Nats need Winston to get them over the line? In that respect nothing has changed for the last 20+yrs.
      Who pulled out of tonight’s debate is just so petty.
      
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      October 3, 2023 9:45am
      - NothingLeft
        
        Viewership for debates is miniscule, they are structured for reality TV style drama and conflict rather than information/content and sadly gamed by organisers (left wing MSM) to fit their agenda in terms of stacking audiences and questioning. Even political tragics find them frustrating and annoying and quickly turn them off.
        
        I’d rather see leaders responding to and truly required to answer hard questions without being talked over.
        
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        October 3, 2023 12:28pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Steam has gone, and Hipkins had nothing left in the tank. So nothing to add from Hipkins, so we blame the other guy for “chickening” out.
        It is a sad Labour joke. They are not comedians – no sense of humour and it can’t be installed.
        
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        October 3, 2023 3:09pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I think he is in Auckland, and was already staying at the hotel.
    
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    October 3, 2023 9:32am
Maggy Wassilieff

Why would you bother taking public transport in Auckland?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/10/person-seriously-injured-after-incident-at-south-auckland-bus-stop.html
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October 3, 2023 9:00am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Ah yes, the vibrant youth of our inner cities. Feel the enrichment, as they shiv you for your phone and wallet.
  
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  October 3, 2023 9:05am
- Souvlaki
  
  Even if you don’t use public transport, you’re likely now to be mugged for your burger/fish and chips !
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/robbers-target-victims-for-takeaway-food-and-daily-bread-van-in-auckland-aggravated-robberies/3DRQHVYVVRGOTHHQZRWFWAI3LM/
  
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  October 3, 2023 9:53am
- Spring Bank Westie
  
  Looks like Auckland Transport’s “travel by bus and get a free steak knife” campaign was ill advised.
  
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  October 3, 2023 1:25pm
ClanMcleod

OffGuardian with the usual high quality post.

When illustrious leaders of the opposition cannot define what a woman is, you got to ask yourself, what the hell is going on?

Why is all this overrated, X-rated smut being peddled from every outlier?

Have we really flooded school libraries with homoerotic books meant for 6-year-old school kids?

Whose idea was it to enshrine drag queen-story hour as a rite of passage?

And since when was it acceptable for creeps with schoolgirl fetishes to have unsupervised, intimate conversations with our kids?

In any other time, it would be named indecent exposure or worse grooming. But not today. Self-indulgent narcissism is the gold standard of self-expression. The conversations people ought to be having with their therapist have become prime time debating points. It’s another day another carnivalesque parade of blokes in frocks swanning around social media, the creepier and more degenerate the content, the more of an inalienable right it is to rub your nose in it. For as long as their entitlements are upheld, all others are scattered to the wind. It’s no longer women and children first but every licentious adult male with a fetish in need of validation.

https://off-guardian.org/2023/09/30/eugenics-propaganda-transgenderism/

Mostly about the UK, but as we can clearly see, insidiously working it’s way into NZ daily life. Like the climate and health ideologues, the gender ideologues must be stopped.
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October 3, 2023 9:01am
- mawm
  
  An interesting bit of history of the “transgenderism” movement. (12’30”)
  
  https://rumble.com/v2ztzdm-an-explanation-of-how-the-trans-issue-is-a-marxist-dialectic-attack.html
  
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  October 3, 2023 10:56am
  - Inandout
    
    ma, there had to be a reason the mad-trans has taken off with media support. Climate religion, the other Marxist offshoot has lagged somewhat.
    
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    October 3, 2023 11:19am
    - Don Beckett
      
      That’s because the Climate Religion is old bullshit & is being seen through.
      The Mad-Trans religion is relatively new, & has not yet reached market saturation. But it will.
      
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      October 3, 2023 12:00pm
Taieri

An excellent one from professor Elizabeth Rata:

https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2023/10/elizabeth-rata-two-treaties-of-waitangi.html#more
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October 3, 2023 9:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Professor Elizabeth Rata would be wise to dig deeper and publish the real truth.
  Explain to us where “Forestry and fisheries” came from in the post 1975 Waitangi Tribunal rogue James Freeman version of the Treaty, but not in the original Treaty in Maori, or the Littlewood draft?
  I do hope she reads this and tells us.
  Key words for her” “Sir Hugh Kawharu.” (page 17 in the Stop Co-Governance booklet.)
  Julian Batchelor explains. 6.50 in.
  Hugh Kawharu explained at 19.40 in. The king pin of Treaty twisters.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVgY03s6Tqc
  
  I wish more people would watch this. Then they would/could understand the opinions of those who are taught the post 1975 Waitangi Tribunal version. This is why the protesters show so much anger. They are not educated.
  
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  October 3, 2023 10:13am
ClanMcleod

For light entertainment, here’s Klaus Schwab singing about how you’ll ‘own nothing and be happy’.

https://rumble.com/v3legte-hilarious-parody-video-by-snicklink-shows-globo-nazi-klaus-schwab-singing-o.html

Good to see AI has some positives!!
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October 3, 2023 9:05am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I will dump that on Facebook later.
  See if the fact checkers get upset!
  
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  October 3, 2023 10:15am
Ruawai

Hipkins on Newshub 3 this morning said they would not put Davis or Sepolini vs Willis as it is a leaders debate yet they were happy to offer Robertson vs Luxon. They are using this as an opportunity to slag off National and Luxon.
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October 3, 2023 9:12am
- RoboRob
  
  Do we even know if this ‘Kelvin’ exists. Is he just a bad AI?
  
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  October 3, 2023 9:20am
  - imalwaysright
    
    The thought of zero kelvin is not as chilling as it sounds.
    
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    October 3, 2023 9:44am
    - nathie
      
      Kelvin told supporters that he was Ken last Sunday …
      
      Even bad AI would be more authentic! 😂
      
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      October 3, 2023 9:58am
  - Keith White
    
    Kelvin is real – no AI could be that badly coded.
    
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    October 3, 2023 9:54am
Guy Preston

@mods,
I don’t know what I’ve done to result in my 8:02 comment being in moderation for over an hour, but I’m very very sorry and if you tell me what offence I have given I promise to never ever do it again.

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October 3, 2023 9:12am
Maggy Wassilieff

Remember when there were single sex wards in hospitals?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/call-for-single-gender-hospital-rooms-to-protect-human-rights-new-report/CFVSTEUIUZEADPOJ7LFASBD33A/
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October 3, 2023 9:16am
- Ghost
  
  Don’t know about the general ward, but I know in the surgical ward down here they still have females and males in their own rooms.
  
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  October 3, 2023 9:23am
  - Keith White
    
    They must have a biologist on duty 24/7!
    
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    October 3, 2023 9:55am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Check the noses of the patients.
      
      You can tell by the nose–judging sex from an isolated facial feature
      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8848363/
      
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      October 3, 2023 10:27am
      - Keith White
        
        “Only the nose knows?”
        
        I was taught for 100% accuracy check the pelvis. Never proved wrong yet.
        
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        October 3, 2023 11:24am
      - kevn
        
        Maggy… Prominent Adams apple?
        
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        October 3, 2023 1:49pm
  - cmm
    
    When I was in Chch hospital in 2020 we had men and women in the same room. No problems.
    
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    October 3, 2023 3:32pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Isn’t that transphobic or something type thinking though?
  
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  October 3, 2023 9:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  4 beds in a male room are fine until someone who is bed ridden needs to take a dump.
  Middlemore Burns clinic for me.
  
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  October 3, 2023 10:19am
  - MCōs
    
    As you would know each bed can be partitioned off with curtains
    Apart from that one’s dignity is the first causality of a stay in hospital
    
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    October 3, 2023 1:36pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Uptick MCos.
      Why do lefties have no humour?
      Curtains don’t stop the aroma.
      
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      October 3, 2023 3:54pm
- Ehlana
  
  Yes. Now they want single gender wards – not at all the same thing.
  
  If we can’t have single sex wards, I think I’d feel safer in a mixed ward than single gender, considering some of the people who call themselves women these days.
  
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  October 3, 2023 2:22pm
artemisia

99% or 80%? They can’t both be right. ECE closures have a significant downstream impact on working parents, as well on staff at the centres. There is a shortage of qualified ECE teachers in any case.

The MoE intend to implement in August 2024 a new regulation that requires a ‘person responsible’ at each centre must at all times hold a category one or two practising certificate.

“While this surprise new clause was discussed at the sector’s regular ECAC meeting,” says Cathy Wilson CE Montessori Aotearoa, we now know the data being relied upon by the Ministry is incorrect.”

“The Ministry has assumed that around 99% of current ECE trained teachers hold a category one or two practising certificate, when in fact it’s only around 80%. That would put significant stress on some providers and potentially cause further closures,” says Mrs Wilson.

https://www.ecnz.ac.nz/Public/News/Articles/ECE-rules-need-to-drive-quality-education–not-create-hardship.aspx
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October 3, 2023 9:29am
Gravelroad

“Debates the best sources of information for deciding who to vote for, Hipkins says” @$tuff today.
If he really believes that, he must be a bigger idiot than I realised.
The TV debates are noisy sideshows, where the people with the loudest interrupting voices dominate.
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October 3, 2023 9:50am
Ghost

Has anyone seen labour candidates around their electorate.

We have Meager constantly around here. I think Luxton has given up, hasn’t been down here
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October 3, 2023 9:54am
- Keith White
  
  I’m told by people in my “home” electorate, that the incumbent is invisible and only ventures out surrounded with four or five big-sized bully boys, as was the case when she allegedly attended a home improvement show at the local Splash centre. Not much of a splash, apparently she was just a drip.
  
  But this is the same woman who claimed during the parliamentary protests and afterwards that “protesters have been waiting at the doors of Parliament at night, and are telling politicians they will be ‘lynched, hung or kidnapped’.” Sure, Steph, sure. Lucky you were not ram-raided and a nasty letter for you, amirite?
  
  To be fair to the National and ACT candidates, they are reported as doing the old-fashioned small-meetings and doorknocking circuit.
  
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  October 3, 2023 9:58am
  - Ghost
    
    It’s bizarre, it feels like luxton has given up. The damaged signs took 2 weeks to fix. They were shredded in the wind yesterday so I’d be surprised if they’re replaced. We haven’t even had any political junk mail
    
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    October 3, 2023 10:18am
    - Dougal10
      
      Is she high enough to get in on list?
      
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      October 3, 2023 1:20pm
      - Ghost
        
        I don’t think they will get enough party votes to get many in on the list, so I doubt she will
        
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        October 3, 2023 1:49pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Just as well Luxon hasn’t given up. I have no idea who this Luxton person is.
      
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      October 3, 2023 1:53pm
      - Ghost
        
        No one’s talking about luxon
        
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        October 3, 2023 2:04pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Jehovah Witnesses seem to be the only folk willing to door-knock hereabouts.
  
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  October 3, 2023 10:31am
- Local Miller
  
  Five elections at my current address and I’ve never seen a candidate or even volunteer door knockers from any party come near our street.
  
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  October 3, 2023 10:50am
  - Ghost
    
    The labour candidate in the next electorate is an 18 year old boy, he’s in town more than luxton.
    
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    October 3, 2023 11:17am
    - Dougal10
      
      I don’t think he knows where his electorate boundaries are. The kid is an insult to the voters of Waitaki , it sends a message from labour that we are so insignificant in their plans that we only need a lowly child to represent us , an area with some of the biggest electricity and tourism assets in the country .
      
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      October 3, 2023 1:27pm
      - Ghost
        
        When I saw him get out of the car I thought he was the candidates son, then I googled to see who the candidate was, agree it’s an insult.
        
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        October 3, 2023 1:50pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Who is this mysterious Luxton?
      
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      October 3, 2023 1:54pm
      - Ghost
        
        If you don’t know who Jo luxton is then Google. You might learn something
        
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        October 3, 2023 2:17pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    My wife reported that Melissa Lee door knocked yesterday.
    That’s the first time anyone from any party has called since 2000.
    
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    October 3, 2023 11:35am
- rouppe
  
  Took me awhile to work out you were talking about Jo Luxton
  
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  October 3, 2023 11:27am
  - Ghost
    
    Sure there is, she is our local MP and a minister and associate minister
    
    For those who don’t follow politics
    
    Jo luxton is the mp for Rangitata
    Christopher luxon is the national party leader
    
    They are two separate people who spell their name different
    
    And in Tauranga Act have Cameron Luxton standing
    
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    October 3, 2023 11:32am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      They are two separate people who spell their name different
      
      They may well be two completely separate genders.
      
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      October 3, 2023 1:12pm
      - Ghost
        
        I nominate Maggy to check their genders.
        
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        October 3, 2023 1:53pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        If I can’t locate their stamens or pistils, I may have difficulty…. and what to do if one proves to be paradioecious?
        
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        October 3, 2023 4:23pm
Maggie Pie

As my partner just said….”no wonder Shaw had to fake his university degree, the guys a financial retard trying to get votes based on envy”

https://twitter.com/jamespeshaw/status/1708273377637728571
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October 3, 2023 10:03am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Yep, and you can bet that wee Jimmer isn’t making any voluntary tax payments to take the load off. Just as the rest of the Green envyists won’t be.
  
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  October 3, 2023 10:06am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Sean Plunket on John Tamihere.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/protesters-love-to-hate-part-2/
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October 3, 2023 10:26am
- Blog-aholic
  
  I’m going to assume the writer of this statement “FUCK YOU ALL YOU RACIST WHITE HONKY’S.”
  Doesn’t think that it is racist in any way shape or form!
  
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  October 3, 2023 11:41am
Ghost

Breaking, weetbix will continue to be sold at warehouse
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October 3, 2023 10:33am
- Benedict Yu
  
  How surprising 😂
  
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  October 3, 2023 10:38am
  - Ghost
    
    Article
    
    “To supply the retailer, the company has decided to reduce allocation into export markets to release the capacity to supply Weet-Bix to The Warehouse,” Sanitarium said today.
    
    “This decision comes after a reassessment of its already constrained supply of Weet-Bix to Sanitarium’s core and long-standing Pacific and Asian markets.
    
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    October 3, 2023 10:43am
    - artemisia
      
      In other words, people are being mean to Sanitarium and OMG the Charities Commission may decide to lift a cover or two.
      
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      October 3, 2023 11:09am
      - Ehlana
        
        They got caught out. If there is a shortage, you don’t undersupply the cheapest reseller – especially when there’s a cost of living election on!
        
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        October 3, 2023 2:56pm
    - Blog-aholic
      
      They are liars.
      
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      October 3, 2023 11:42am
- Maggie Pie
  
  I see a lot of people are tweeting it was just a giant set-up to make the newly appointed ‘Grocery Commisioner’ look like he’s able to actually do something.
  Apparently he was head of Sanitorium for years before he took up the position. LOL!!
  
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  October 3, 2023 11:12am
  - Ghost
    
    He left Sanitarium 7 years ago
    
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    October 3, 2023 12:00pm
    - Blog-aholic
      
      To be any upper management at Sanitarium it is an absolute you are a member of the church……you never really leave.
      
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      October 3, 2023 12:12pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      You can check out any time you like
      But you can never leave 😀
      
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      October 3, 2023 12:48pm
- Piniwi
  
  But Ghost remember the advice of the Radio Doctor who advised listeners to eat the box as it contained more nutrition than the flakey weetbix.
  
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  October 3, 2023 12:27pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And I recall reading in Metro that Kellogs Cornflakes were invented
    as a cure for chronic masturbation.
    
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    October 3, 2023 12:53pm
Yvette

“As you go to bed tonight 40 percent of babies under five years old are of Maori descentt” – (or words to that effect) – John Tamahere

Is that possibly the real reason Jacinda tanked out – she saw the train wreak coming. The light at the end of the tunnel is the locomotive on its way and she and Hipkins allowed the Maori Caucus ro engage the throttle.
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October 3, 2023 10:57am
- Matt Long
  
  That’s really BS from JT, maybe a high percentage of babies have some Maori DNA but that doesn’t make them Maori, even if it did they won’t all buy into his critical race theory BS either.
  
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  October 3, 2023 11:50am
- Blog-aholic
  
  I think he said 25%. But still incorrect.
  
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  October 3, 2023 12:13pm
  - Yvette
    
    Yes, I am sorry – 25 percent is definitely what John claims
    https://twitter.com/TheConsultant18/status/1699189045551910937
    scroll down to video
    
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    October 3, 2023 12:54pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And so what that some of our children have Maori ancestry?
    
    It seems places like Oranga Tamariki have a habit of overlooking other lines of descent if a child with a mix of heritages arrives on their doorstep.
    
    the emphasis on Māori-centred practice within OT may leave practitioners confused as to how to respond to children who are both Pasifika and Māori or emphasising their Māori whānau more than their Pasifika family.
    
    Child protection inequalities for Pasifika children in Aotearoa New Zealand: diverse realities
    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1177083X.2023.2245856
    
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    October 3, 2023 12:59pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      And [dread words] pakeha whanau don’t get a look-in
      
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      October 3, 2023 7:15pm
- Swifty
  
  “They will be under our management….”
  
  What a sick joke.
  
  It’s laughable that Maori New Zealanders would be better off with buffoons like Tamihere and Waititi ‘managing’ their affairs.
  
  Laughable and delusional.
  
  The only people who would benefit from such an arrangement is Tamihere, Waititi et al who would make sure they would be extremely well rewarded for their ‘management’ services – Hone and Pania in the street not a bean.
  
  Maori New Zealanders need to be very careful about who they entrust with their votes – back the wrong horse and it will come back and bite them badly.
  
  Very badly. Think PNG badly.
  
  The Maori Party are nothing but monorail salesmen who will run off with the loot at the first opportunity.
  
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  October 3, 2023 1:20pm
Prince

Stuff’s ‘LIVE’ column on the election today has 8 segments about what Hipkins says or thinks.

One segment on National. It appears he has had no engagements this morning.

And TV One News last night spent the first segment in a friendly chat with Hipkins about how he was coping, electioneering from his hotel room.
Repeat after me, There is no bias in the NZ media.
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October 3, 2023 11:01am
- Tricati
  
  Luxon was on the radio here in Christchurch this morning, and is delivering National’s health policy with Shane Reti in Rolleston this afternoon.
  Heard some wag txted in to say Luxon should get a photo taken outside the town hall, asking ‘Where’s Chippy’ – Town hall site of cancelled debate.
  
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  October 3, 2023 11:14am
stiff cheese

Want to know more about “creating money out of thin air”?

This Bank of England paper from 2014 explains it well. (has been referred to a few times at ‘mises.org’): Money Creation in the Modern Economy. 0.2 MB pdf file.

It’s not just CENTRAL BANKS doing it, your local bank is doing it too, that might surprise a few readers….

All explained with some easy to follow T-account diagrams. If it’s not ‘funny money’, maybe it’s ‘funny bookkeeping’?
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October 3, 2023 11:14am
Terry Dalee

Meanwhile, in Australia, where the adults live, where one can debate representation without degrading into name calling and labelling.

“A heated debate over the Voice has broken out on Q+A after a panellist suggested it would make sense to “fund need over race” — prompting host Patricia Karvelas to declare that “Indigeneity isn’t race”.”

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/current-affairs/how-is-it-not-voice-debate-erupts-on-abc/news-story/f2a8e351b8eb8d2376e86ab56b185bce
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October 3, 2023 11:22am
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/rent-prices-skyrocketing-bay-of-plenty-in-top-10-most-expensive-districts-to-rent-last-month/CURLP5NOL5EL7ALKGSFZ2MYTAQ/

The most expensive district was Auckland’s North Shoreat (SIC) $730 per week, followed by Wellington’s Porirua at $695 per week.

How does Porirua have the second most expensive rent prices in NZ? Supply and demand, I know. But also, Porirua residents must have a low average wage. It seems to me, the poorer one is, the more they pay for everything.
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October 3, 2023 11:26am
- artemisia
  
  Porirua City is mixed with some high value areas like Whitby, and a lot of social housing that of course does not figure in Trademe’s vacancy listings. Council rates are also comparatively high.
  
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  October 3, 2023 1:12pm
- kevn
  
  surfing… Govt topups take care of rent.
  
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  October 3, 2023 1:45pm
- miltonF
  
  It’s because of socialism. Porirua has very high numbers of social housing and poorer households reliant on taxpayer handouts.
  
  The govt does not pay any council rates on its social housing. This means that private homes have to pay excessively high rates to cover this shortfall. Result – artificially high private rents.
  
  The second contributor is the accomodation supplement. The more poor people you have in an area, the more accomodation supplement flows in, driving rents up higher than the market could support naturally.
  
  What we are experiencing is essentially the failure of Keynesian/socialist demand side economics. If you give people an ever increasing supply of money to purchase things, the price of those things increase! AKA inflation! It seems totally absurd, I know, but this is the actual economic paradigm that our govt is operating under. Same thing when give people $200k of taxpayers money through Kianga Ora to buy houses…guess what. Prices increase! Most of the people receiving these $200k handouts will live in areas such as Porirua.
  
  I really don’t think our politicians are that stupid. They have to be corrupt.
  
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  October 3, 2023 8:45pm
Maggie Pie

Man who fixed the Ranfurly Shield last time says the white powder on it would the plaster he used to repair it.

I was really hoping it was coke 😀
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October 3, 2023 11:30am
- Blog-aholic
  
  I know of know carpenter or joiner that would use plaster to fix wood. Maybe builders bog but not plaster.
  
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  October 3, 2023 11:45am
  - mudrunner
    
    Plaster of paris is used under the central silver plate to support it. Builder’s bog may have a chemical reaction with silver as well.
    
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    October 3, 2023 12:38pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  So the players were snorting plaster with the rolled up note?
  
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  October 3, 2023 11:48am
- Keith White
  
  Probably Taniwha powder from back in the day
  
  Mod: link is to a Taniwha artefact from ancient times…
  
  https://ehive.com/collections/6051/objects/624072/washing-powder
  
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  October 3, 2023 1:18pm
Handyman

Labour still plays to the Soviet era playbook.
During the cold war, the CIA noticed that the soviets had a habit of accusing the USA if doing what they themselves were secretly doing. It gave the CIA a great insight into what the Russians were up to.

I recalled that when I read (Labour supplied) headline “Hipkins slams Luxon for pulling out of debate”.
Whenever Labour get up to their tricks, they first accuse National of doing it. For example — left wing thugs destroy signage so Labour inserts a headline “National and Act destroy signage”.

Like the Soviets, it helps to have control of the media.
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October 3, 2023 11:43am
Maggie Pie

O. M. G.

Here’s the NY JUDGE hearing Trumpy’s fraud trial.

Looks like he could play a cadaver in TV3’s Casketeers 🙁

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1708970014068380032
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October 3, 2023 12:10pm
Don Beckett

Just returned from the Matua hall to cast my vote.
Two Ticks Blue.
I was contemplating ACT for my party vote, but due to recent comments stuck with Blue. 🙂
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October 3, 2023 12:24pm
- Swifty
  
  Blue will do.
  
  Good stuff Don.
  
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  October 3, 2023 1:12pm
- sharont
  
  Same here. I don’t think Seymour has run a particularly good campaign. I suspect he has lost a few votes to NZF unfortunately.
  
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  October 4, 2023 1:48am
Jack5

Vanuatu in the business of supplying flags of convenience for oil rigs.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/03/end-the-licences-vanuatu-oil-rig-registry-sparks-concern-amid-climate-advocacy
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October 3, 2023 12:35pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Cook Islands are also a Flag of Convenience.
  
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  October 3, 2023 4:10pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

One of the Wellington road sitters now has a conviction. Hopefully that inhibits her ability to travel overseas – ironic given her other role in preventing motorists from travelling. Although, as a climate change martyr, perhaps she does not travel overseas.

I note she’s been sentenced to 125 hours of community service. I hope that this excludes Green activities, as she does these anyway. Perhaps a PD-like activity would be suitable.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/133040607/climate-activist-denied-discharge-without-conviction-on-forgery-charges
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October 3, 2023 12:59pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

So just up at Glenfield Mall and there is a voting center. Inside a dottery old woman wearing a red rosette. So I went to take a photo and was blocked. “no photos allowed sir.” so, “stop me.’ “no photos allowed sir” “so come and stop me” “I will call security”

“well big guy you know they can’t touch me. Why not call the Police? While the Police are here they can arrest the woman with the rosette.”
“rosettes are allowed sir”

Well it seems he is right, rosettes are allowed but I can not take a photo of her. She was NOT voting, she was advertising – which is illegal.
I am going back tomorrow with a blue everything and rosette. Also a blue MAGA hat, put a sticker over America and write New Zealand. Make New Zealand Great Again!

We will see how that leftie prick acts then. Don’t fuck with me!
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October 3, 2023 1:09pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Did you ask to see the Promoter name associated with the rosette?
  
  You may wear a party lapel badge or rosette. These can feature party colours, a party name and branding, but not a candidate name. Any lapel badge or rosette you wear must include a promoter statement.
  
  https://elections.nz/guidance-and-rules/advertising-and-campaigning/rules-once-voting-starts-and-on-election-day/
  
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  October 3, 2023 1:18pm
  - Keith White
    
    Will my MAGA – Make Ardern Go Away – cap pass muster d’ye think? I am likely to be back in time just to vote in person, and I’d like to make that fashion statement in person.
    
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    October 3, 2023 1:38pm
- Bridgenag
  
  Good on you…… And…….. Seemed to me to be a good way to wrought the system [post not out of mods]….. no identification asked for
  
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  October 3, 2023 1:39pm
- Ehlana
  
  Yes, rosettes are allowed and are usually worn by Party scrutineers. Photos are not allowed without permission from the official in charge, for obvious reasons.
  
  I once had a man get very grumpy about my rosette when I was scrutineering. I thought it was sad he had so little knowledge of the process.
  
  Maybe Orange Man could do some adverts to explain it.
  
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  October 3, 2023 3:02pm
- Inandout
  
  SO, Glenfield Mall is bristling with CCTV cameras so filming is constant.
  
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  October 3, 2023 3:21pm
Bridgenag

Off to vote this morning Made special effort to get our votes in the city to get Nats in…. 8 people staff there not prepared for “special vote people.” or any other person. Only us and another there. How much do they get paid? Anyway delighted to find the National vote side by side on the form. YES If that doesn’t generate votes we might as well give up.
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October 3, 2023 1:18pm
- Terry Dalee
  
  Not much as a front line election worker.
  Its the first day and for many election workers, it will be their first time, especially after training.
  As they get more familiar with the process, it will get smoother.
  Special Votes are a bit a mare, its just the process.
  I managed an entire electorate for the last election, advance voting and election day and post election processing….
  
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  October 3, 2023 6:10pm
graham

Wow. I’m surprised this made it past the Herald editors.

Political Roundup: Ten reasons Labour’s support has halved, says Bryce Edwards

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/political-roundup-ten-reasons-labours-support-has-halved/3I3F36OCRFFB3PPCIKZL2TH6VI/

I clicked on it expecting to see a bunch of mealy-mouthed excuses – those nasty Nats and ACT keep telling lies about Labour, wah it’s so unfair – but found instead some pretty honest home-truths, with some biting commentary from all quarters.

1) Labour’s handling of Covid

Labour’s Covid story is now seen by many as negative rather than positive, and the Government is barely mentioning it in its re-election campaign. As Stuff political editor Luke Malpass has reported, “Voters just don’t seem to want to hear about it any more. They don’t want the Government crowing about how good it was – because it doesn’t feel that way now. And all the privations and disruption seem best forgotten.”

2) Failure to deliver the promised transformation, or even the basics

Labour’s flagship KiwiBuild programme, with its promise of 100,000 affordable new houses, still exists but has become something of a joke. Auckland’s Light Rail project was supposed to be complete by 2021, but hasn’t even begun, typifying Labour’s general weakness on infrastructure.

Unsurprisingly, Labour is not running its election campaign based on what it has achieved … As TVNZ’s Jack Tame says: “what good are new promises if a government didn’t deliver on its previous ones?”

6) Perception that Labour is arrogant and out-of-touch

Winning 50 per cent of the vote in 2020 was both a blessing and a curse for Labour … Labour ministers felt they could implement unsignalled projects – from Three Waters to a social insurance scheme – without the pressure to take the public along with them.

8) Labour’s focus on woke politics instead of working class politics

Under Jacinda Ardern’s leadership, Labour morphed more into a more middle-class-orientated party than ever before. Instead of focusing on the issues that working class voters care most about – such as living standards and public services, Labour became more associated with social issues, gender, ethnicity, and what some call “woke” politics. Social justice rather than economic justice became the characteristic of this Labour Government.

And now we get to the real meat – the treaty and co-governance.

9) Labour’s radical reinterpretation of the Treaty

Labour’s most radical and unpopular agenda during the last three years has been its adoption of co-governance in public services and especially the Three Waters reforms. The Treaty of Waitangi has been radically reinterpreted, and new bi-cultural governance policies have been advanced as a result, which have been perceived as separatist.

Chris Trotter has recently explained how Three Waters prevailed within the Government: “The Māori Caucus wanted it because iwi leaders wanted it, and if they didn’t get it, they might start knocking on Te Pāti Māori’s door. No one else in the Labour caucus proper felt strongly enough about the issue to organise any kind of serious resistance. So, Hipkins allowed Three Waters to be tweaked and re-named, and hoped that the public would be satisfied with a ludicrous name change. They weren’t.”

Very little of this approach has been debated or communicated with the public, leading to suspicions that it’s being implemented by fiat in an elitist and undemocratic way because the public won’t agree with it. And ultimately the public hasn’t felt convinced by it all.

There’s a lot more, and it’s not pay-walled. Get in and read it before somebody realises their mistake and it “disappears”.
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October 3, 2023 1:19pm
- Ghost
  
  Long read, but worth reading.
  
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  October 3, 2023 2:38pm
- ecco
  
  They have taken it down already and buried it. The editors and their reporters are probably figuring out that they are shortly going to get no access when Nats/act get into government if they don’t change their tune.
  
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  October 3, 2023 4:12pm
  - Sparrow
    
    It’s not buried. Just go onto the Herald website search and write Bryce Edwards it was their at 5pm. Frankly I don’t think they would bury it.
    
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    October 3, 2023 5:06pm
  - Ghost
    
    Nope, still on the main page
    
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    October 3, 2023 5:08pm
- Steve Todd
  
  […] before somebody realises their mistake and it “disappears”.
  
  Oh, graham, graham, graham.
  
  You need to venture outside your right-wing bubble occasionally. It’s also here, https://democracyproject.nz/2023/10/03/bryce-edwards-ten-reasons-labours-support-has-halved/ —
  
  and, be careful graham, here, https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2023/10/03/dr-bryce-edwards-political-roundup-ten-reasons-labours-support-has-halved/.
  
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  October 3, 2023 5:27pm
- M.Solvent
  
  Even in the brightest spots in the MSM like this, there is cause for deep concern:
  
  “Some in the Labour Party wanted a wealth tax brought in, and Revenue Minister David Parker worked on a tax that could’ve been implemented this year, only to be overruled by the more conservative Hipkins. A Newshub Reid-Research poll recently asked voters whether he was right to rule this out – with 47 per cent disagreeing with Hipkins’ decision, and only 39 per cent agreeing.”
  
  The journalists pushing for wealth taxes and the members of the public in favour of them do not have a clue how much poorer this policy would make NZ. The capital flight would be instant and catastrophic and it does not tend to be the wealthy who suffer from major economic upheaval.
  
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  October 3, 2023 6:51pm
Lance

Soooooo…..

Hacking at someone with a sword, slicing off huge chunks of flesh and driving off to leave the victim to literally die in a ditch is only worth a bit of home detention.

NZ is fucked up
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October 3, 2023 2:45pm
- Drone
  
  Come on peeps he physically attacked a Tesla, he was lucky Elon wasn’t nearby.. //
  
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  October 3, 2023 3:41pm
- NothingLeft
  
  No. It’s just that the activist Judiciary, mostly of a far-left persuasion as are much of the legal profession (being an overwhelmingly woke young female dominated industry, with nearly 3 out of 4 new lawyers being women), are supine in their attitudes toward serious criminals.
  
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  October 3, 2023 4:12pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    A thought; given 95% of criminals are angry aggressive males, shouldn’t we all insist that judiciary also be angry agressive males (no cardigan wearing wet old sooks) who will send crims to jail instead of giving them a friendly reach-around. Because if I understand the woke-as-fuck zeitgeist thou mayst not judge anyone with a different lived experience to yourself.
    
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    October 3, 2023 5:50pm
    - Keith White
      
      I’ll volunteer to serve. After all, my former NZ profession does not want me since I won’t swear the Covid Loyalty Oath.
      
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      October 3, 2023 9:34pm
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/133044304/samurai-sword-road-rage-man-gets-home-detention-for-callous-and-cowardly-attack-on-dogwalker
This is just getting ridiculous now.
You won’t be surprised to see that this guy got home D.
Either our laws or the judges are no longer fit for purpose.
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October 3, 2023 2:47pm
- Drone
  
  One of the “special” people in a government funded Tesla ??
  
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  October 3, 2023 3:47pm
- John Loveridge
  
  It’s disgraceful. He should be locked away for a very long time. I despair, I really do.
  
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  October 3, 2023 8:14pm
Swifty

A fair sentence?

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/133044304/samurai-sword-road-rage-man-gets-home-detention-for-callous-and-cowardly-attack-on-dogwalker
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October 3, 2023 2:47pm
- Ghost
  
  Well if you get home dentition for multiple rapes he should have got let off and given a free 2 months kfc
  
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  October 3, 2023 2:59pm
- fernglas
  
  10 months home detention is equal to about 20 months in prison. In the UK a glassing in a pub starts at 4 years. Prison is intended to not only punish but to deter others. This sends a message that an unprovoked attack on a defenceless person using a bladed weapon and then fleeing the scene is not terribly serious. So that should really deter gang members who are about their business
  
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  October 3, 2023 6:25pm
Sparrow

Bryce Edwards article is brilliant and covers every aspect of this incompetent divisive government. As a fairly neutral commentator it is a thunderbolt at the arrogant heart of the Labour Party. After this election it should change its name as to continue with it is an insult to the likes of Savage, Fraser and Big Norm. I am pleasantly surprised it’s not pay walled maybe the Herald has seen the writing on the wall. This should be compulsory reading for all Labour MPs and Party members. Have sent to my useless Labour MP suggest all KBs do the same. Can read it while in the unemployable line.
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October 3, 2023 2:55pm
- ecco
  
  Amazing how a leopard can change its stripes overnight isn’t it. Edwards used to be very left leaning, along with all the reporters he’s quoting.
  
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  October 3, 2023 4:14pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    It shows that they always knew. Spineless curs.
    
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    October 3, 2023 5:31pm
  - Paul
    
    Maybe Edwards is left leaning, so we all are, and he seems to be on our side, so far has the Country been screwed, Bryce gets us to come around to his point of view, which has not varied.
    
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    October 3, 2023 8:01pm
Prince

Hipkins says the low vote count on Day One shows people are still undecided.
More bullshit – it shows the Electoral Commission have dropped the ball and most people haven’t received their voting cards.
Another failure from the Failure Government.
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October 3, 2023 3:09pm
- Inandout
  
  Prince, amazing what basement dwellers see from the pits. If Day One was a mad rush he would probably say that voters were keen to ‘express themselves’.
  
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  October 3, 2023 3:32pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Voted on Monday and the guy receiving us told me I wasn’t on the roll (despite nothing having changed in the last 5 elections) and would have to do a special vote. The guy at the desk had the roll in front of him and there I was!
  Don’t know what the hell was going on there.
  
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  October 3, 2023 9:14pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/300981773/woman-awarded-27000-after-her-cars-odometer-was-tampered-with-by-over-46000km
Most of these dodgy dealers seem to come from the same place.
And most of those committing immigration scams and/or ripping-off their tenants seem to come from another same place.
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October 3, 2023 3:33pm
- Keith White
  
  “Is it them again Yogi?”
  “Boo Boo, it is.”
  
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  October 3, 2023 4:04pm
- Inandout
  
  grey, I do wonder why any person would buy a second hand BMW, regardless of origin. As my auto electrician often says ‘if you want to buy European vehicles get them new with a warranty’. If you have deep pockets then sure go second hand because as sure as God made little apples the vehicle will have mechanical/wiring issues.
  
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  October 3, 2023 4:39pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Anything before 1996 is probably ok. Just avoid ex Singapore cars – too much humidity is bad for the wiring loom.
    
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    October 3, 2023 5:32pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Not just the humidity – humid when out on the road then airconditioned garage at night. The hot-wet / cool-dry cycle is what stuffs the electronics.
      Never buy a Singapore car.
      
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      October 3, 2023 9:20pm
- Paul
  
  When I was buying cars in Japan, before computerized records, the dealers, all who were Caucasian, 2 are now City Councilors, requested Odometer changes. I would put a sticky note on the windscreen with the ‘new’ Odometer reading.
  One Bighorn was tricky, a Bicycle spoke fixed that.
  The whole system was corrupt.
  
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  October 3, 2023 8:10pm
Maggie Pie

I’m hearing they’ve got early voting booths at The Wharehouse & Paki n’ Save.
How can that be safe…..are they asking for ID?

Starting to get a baaad feeling 🙁
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October 3, 2023 3:49pm
- Ghost
  
  I voted yesterday in our Warehouse.
  
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  October 3, 2023 3:52pm
  - Prince
    
    Has anyone received their ‘voting card’ that is supposed to make it easy ?
    Perhaps some people were prioritised.
    
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    October 3, 2023 4:33pm
    - Ghost
      
      We got ours a week ago, used it yesterday. People in front of me were using theirs as well.
      
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      October 3, 2023 4:37pm
      - Prince
        
        OK now I’m worried. In the Ohariu electorate, no one in our house has received theirs. I’m on the phone tomorrow, something dodgy about this.
        
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        October 3, 2023 6:12pm
      - Ghost
        
        Just looked on their Facebook, they’ve put this reply up to someone
        
        the nationwide mail-out of 3.4 million EasyVote packs is a large and complex operation. As in previous elections, it is not unusual for packs to arrive after voting starts. We send them to larger rural electorates first, and then urban electorates, which are closer to the processing centres so will take a shorter time to deliver.
        
        We expect those who haven’t already received their packs to get them in the coming days. You don’t need an EasyVote card to vote, so if you haven’t received your pack and would like to vote now, you can do so.
        
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        October 3, 2023 6:23pm
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      We just received them today after calling last week to find out why we hadn’t received them yet.
      
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      October 3, 2023 5:17pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Got ours today as well. Threw them strait in the bin.
      
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      October 3, 2023 6:13pm
      - MCōs
        
        The yellow bin, I hope
        
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        October 3, 2023 6:25pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Spose you’d be right into using that little ‘Food-Scrap’ bin as well wouldn’t ya Cossie?
        
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        October 3, 2023 7:07pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      Received.
      I am not special enough to be prioritised.
      
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      October 3, 2023 8:55pm
- MCōs
  
  Our local polling booth is in a graveyard
  It’s operated by the Thriller characters
  https://youtu.be/4V90AmXnguw?si=uedKHUTX2_BeyEiY
  
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  October 3, 2023 5:02pm
- Bridgenag
  
  Agree. We voted in our new city electorate. Had registered online but still haven’t the paperwork. I reckon we could probably cruise around a few voting stations. No identification asked for.
  
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  October 3, 2023 8:21pm
  - Ghost
    
    No you couldn’t. Because once you vote your name is marked on the roll. The voting paper number is placed next to your name. So if you vote more than once you will get caught.
    
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    October 3, 2023 8:28pm
Philview

I was saddened to hear the news about Simon Barnett’s wife Jodi. Simon is a bit of a national treasure and always seems a lovely guy. He has been outspoken in promoting family values and love for his family so I am sure Jodi was a special lady.
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October 3, 2023 3:56pm
- Ghost
  
  I can’t remember if it was Simon or his cohost a while ago talking about how he looked after her, that she lost her speech after the first operation and how close and special they were. Sorry to hear she passed.
  
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  October 3, 2023 4:01pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  It is sad and it is human to be sad but I’ll make this statement. There is more to Mr. B. Like every human he has his historic ‘squeaks’. That is all.
  
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  October 3, 2023 4:04pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Ohhhh…watcha got Bloggie?
    Girls lunch tomorrow. Could do with a bit a goss.
    
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    October 3, 2023 4:58pm
- Keith White
  
  He really was / is a great example of family values and the lovely partnership that a great marriage can be. RIP, Jodi Barnett.
  
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  October 3, 2023 4:10pm
Keith White

“Intents have been overtaken by events.” — Jacob Dreizin
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October 3, 2023 3:59pm
plc

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/499287/wellington-city-council-faces-up-to-147m-town-hall-budget-blow-out

Cost has blown out from $32 million at approval to $330 million now. Apparently because:

“The Town Hall is an old, fragile, complicated heritage building built on reclaimed land”

None of these are new facts
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October 3, 2023 4:11pm
- Keith White
  
  Most of us “normies”, when something that we want to becomes unaffordable, we don’t go and demand a third-party pay more for it, we go “oops, can’t afford that, better scale it down or drop it entirely”.
  
  What the actual feck is wrong with governments both local and national that they cannot grasp the simple concept? Have their cerebral cortices been entirely overtaken by a collection of oxygen-deprived neurons linked only by syphilitic spirochaetes?
  
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  October 3, 2023 4:29pm
  - Ghost
    
    Are you sure? A lot of people put it on the plastic.
    
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    October 3, 2023 4:34pm
    - Keith White
      
      Ghost, the only person I’m sure of is myself. Even then, I can disagree 🙂
      
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      October 3, 2023 5:03pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is just awful. But so predictable. To put that number into context, the cost of the Christchurch Convention Centre was $450 million. That is a state of the art modern building which can be configured to a variety of uses.
  
  The Council is now facing the “fallacy of sunk costs” – ‘we now have no choice but to keep going’. Nope. The smart thing to do now would be to stop and demolish it. (Well the smart thing would have to never started this thing, but you get what I mean.)
  
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  October 3, 2023 5:20pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Wellington should have civic facilities commensurate with it’s status as the least fiscally responsible city in NZ – a problem created by the dumbest and most deluded heads-in-the-clouds voting base in the country.
    
    I’m thinking Favella (Brazilian slum) chique.
    
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    October 3, 2023 9:49pm
Maggie Pie

I know it sounds silly, but a wee bit sad to be honest having just seen that Labor’s
Adrian Rurawhe is unlikely to get back in.
Sort of got to like him as Speaker for some reason. But they’ve got him at 11
on the list…..behind retards like Willie and Norm-Jean.

What were they thinking?

https://labour.org.nz/ourteam
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October 3, 2023 4:20pm
- MCōs
  
  A number of the people listed ahead of him will win electorate seats. Labour is likely to have around ten list MPs leaving him quite comfortably back in the house.
  
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  October 3, 2023 4:51pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yeah? ….well not according to ol’ Sir B J 😀
    
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    October 3, 2023 5:00pm
- Keith White
  
  Not sad. The guy misplaced his ethics as Speaker. He deserves to be consigned to the dustbin of history.
  
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  October 3, 2023 5:04pm
Bobba Fret

Seems like even attacking a defenseless person with a sword doesn’t require any jail time. Another home D only.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/karaka-samurai-sword-attack-darryn-clarke-to-serve-home-detention-for-bloody-road-rage-incident/OFZGASGP6JGFPG7JZEDK6IFEO4/
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October 3, 2023 4:31pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Different outcome if it had been the dudges father 🙁
  
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  October 3, 2023 5:22pm
- John Loveridge
  
  Did Harry Tam prepare one of the pre-sentencing reports?
  
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  October 3, 2023 8:32pm
Sparrow

The Bryce Edwards article is all over the Internet. The mainstream might ignore it or take it down but its out there. The final nail ?
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October 3, 2023 5:21pm
- Ghost
  
  Huh, it’s on the nz herald, can’t get more mainstream than that, and they don’t take down Bryce’s articles.
  
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  October 3, 2023 5:35pm
Damocles11

Do we know what the note left at Hana-Rāwhiti Maipi-Clarke’s place said yet? It wasn’t ‘this is a Mahuta country’ by any chance was it?
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October 3, 2023 6:58pm
- Damocles11
  
  ‘Another incredibly close electorate race is underway between political newcomer Hana-Rāwhiti Maipi-Clarke and veteran Nanaia Mahuta.
  
  A new poll out tonight from Whakaata Māori shows Maipi-Clarke is just 4% points below Mahuta in the race for Hauraki Waikato.
  
  That is a small margin, within the margin of error for this poll.
  
  If Maipi-Clarke, who is the Pāti Māori candidate, beats Mahuta, then Mahuta will not return to Parliament.
  
  In June, before Te Pāti Māori announced a candidate for Hauraki Waikato, Mahuta said she would not stand on the Labour list. She has been in Parliament since 1996 and spent her first term as a list MP.
  
  Since 1999, Mahuta has stood and won in various Māori electorates and has been the MP for Hauraki Waikato since the seat was created.
  
  In the Whakaata Māori poll, conducted by Curia Market Research, Mahuta polled at 36% with Maipi-Clarke just behind, at 32%.
  
  Curia polled 500 Hauraki-Waikato voters, and reported its results with a 4.4% margin of error.’
  
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  October 3, 2023 8:32pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Let’s hope it wasn’t an example of Rawiri Waititi’s version of ye olde Māori democracy in Tainuidom.
  
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