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Matt Long

“I don’t know about that case.”
Except you issued a press release welcoming the deregistration of Family First, Seymour. Why did you find it necessary to lie?
https://twitter.com/bobmccoskrienz/status/1707972620627718420
Feels like Seymour would be more comfortable in government with Greens than conservatives.
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October 1, 2023 8:07am
- Nukuleka
  
  As a social conservative I once upon a time in a previous life swore that I would never vote for Seymour after he championed his anti- life euthanasia bill. However, given the electoral choices we have, I must swallow my principles and cast my party vote for ACT and its far- from- perfect leader. There is too much at stake for me to do otherwise.
  
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  October 1, 2023 8:19am
  - kowtow
    
    I feel exactly the same.
    
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    October 1, 2023 8:22am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Yes, dare I say it, it will be a slow march back to sane government. One small step at a time.
    
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    October 1, 2023 8:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You are dead right, there is too much at stake to be dicking around.
    If Labour should squeeze back in there will be a lot more wrecked families and suicides.
    
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    October 1, 2023 8:41am
  - rouppe
    
    The end of life choices act is pro choice, not anti life.
    
    I’ve just skimmed through the Act and the number of hoops that need to be jumped through is significant.
    
    If I had a prognosis where I was going to spend my last months writing on a bed in agony I’d prefer to have that choice.
    
    You’d do it for a dog…
    
    But, that’s the thing about issues like this. Not everyone is going to agree.
    
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    October 1, 2023 8:50am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It is something I do think about. Dying in agony and not knowing what is happening because the brain is like swiss cheese.
      It is in my will, to be read pre death.
      
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      October 1, 2023 10:11am
    - Nukuleka
      
      Dumb to start debating this Act when I was simply using it as an example of my voting intention.
      
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      October 1, 2023 5:32pm
  - Matt Long
    
    I can’t swallow my principles that easily Nukuleka, I don’t want to be complicit with Seymour.
    My primary goal is to sink Labour, which gives me the choice between a liar that says the wrong things apart from economics, a liar that always says all the right things before elections and soppy wet Labour lite.
    
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    October 1, 2023 9:47am
    - Warren
      
      You need to go back a few years into the Kiwiblog archives Matt when you were a real Winston fan and would vote New Zealand First to keep National honest.
      If I remember right you always did the same and voice your disapproval of National close to a Election to vote for Winston, which is your right of course.
      
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      October 1, 2023 11:01am
      - Matt Long
        
        If we go back to 2017 when National decided there were votes in kicking dairy farming, and McCully decided sponsoring terrorist’s resolutions at the UN was the best use they could make of being on the Security council, it’s true, I stopped supporting National. And at that point I hadn’t even understood how far they’d gone with co governance.
        Winston had the former communications lead from Federated Farmers as his chief of staff and was saying all the right things. I’m not sure you would find posts where I supported Winston, I can tell you in that election I voted Act.
        
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        October 1, 2023 4:32pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      They’re all politically-expedient liars, but at least Seymour has principles. How do we know?
      
      1. He refused a Ministerial position in order to get his end of life bill through. Principles over baubles.
      
      2. He was a lone voice against the knee-jerk reaction to the Christchurch mosques massacre, speaking out against the gun laws which everybody now knows were pointless and inly punished law-abiding firearms owners. let alone the debacle of people stealing guns handed in or bought back from Police stations, and the Police managing to lose the personal details, including addresses, of several hundred firearms licence-holders.
      
      3. He has categorically refused to work with Winston First, even if it means ACT will be outside parliament.
      
      Find me someone with those principles, and I’ll vote for them.
      
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      October 1, 2023 2:02pm
      - Warren
        
        So can I ask why he did the deal with Winston Peter’s to get his Euthanasia Referendum through,
        Principles my arse.
        
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        October 1, 2023 3:17pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @Warren – I don’t think you quite understand how politics works. You accept he gave up a ministerial position to get his End of Life Choices Act through, but you cavil at working with someone he doesn’t like to do the exact same thing?
        
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        October 2, 2023 8:46am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Give it up ffs. He also lied and continues to lie about horrifying excess all cause mortality and continues to claim these jabs are safe and effective.
        
        Talk about ‘fool me once’. A month ago I was 90% sure I was voting Act. Then I read an email exchange with him in which he called the person asking about excess all cause mortality and he said the jabs didn’t kill anyone, covid did, and if you think otherwise you’re delusional.
        
        Then I saw the interview he did with Family First and McCoskrie. I know nothing about Family First, but Seymour’s disgusting lack of basic courtesy and blatant contempt for McCoskrie and his party was painful to watch.
        Now this?
        He makes Peters look like an altar boy.
        
        The hypocrisy of those telling people to hold their nose and vote for this muppet is painful.
        
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        October 3, 2023 8:09am
  - Jack5
    
    Conscience-vote issues rationally affect only electorate choices.
    
    It’s there you support or don’t support the individual politician.
    
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    October 1, 2023 10:11am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Nuk,
    
    Email Seymour and the party and tell him of your concerns.
    
    If he doesn’t listen now, he certainly won’t listen post election .
    
    As D Garrett has posted, Seymour seems to have some contempt for this site. Contributors contacting him with their views may soften his hubris .
    
    People are seeing his negative policies may soon outweigh his positive policies . It won’t take much more for him to become a liability .
    
    Nat/ Greens may become a possibility . God help us.
    
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    October 1, 2023 10:18am
    - amospicton
      
      Nat/greens simply will not happen – the watermelons are much more red than green. The two parties are incompatible. If the Greens focused on green issues they would always be in government – they could work with both Labour and the Nats and would have considerable influence. But their far left core means they’re never really in government.
      
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      October 1, 2023 10:41am
      - Damocles11
        
        It’s just such rubbish for people to suggest a National / Greens coalition. Who is Hooton working for? What planet is this stuff coming from? This is all part of the effort to undermine Luxon. Who stands to benefit from reducing the vote of the two centre right parties?
        
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        October 1, 2023 10:48am
      - JJ56
        
        Damocles11, Hooton is self employed. He’s working for click bait.
        
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        October 1, 2023 11:06am
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        The greens ideology coupled with communism makes them the most anti-human of parties:
        – LGBTQetc ideology = depopulation = anti-human
        – Covid-19 / WEF philosophy = anti-human
        – Anti-family = anti-human
        – Reducing food production = anti-human
        – Economic destruction just gives them more power to take control and implement their evil ideology
        – Abortion = anti-human
        etc etc
        
        All under the guise of saving the planet. It is a great deception. Those doing evil will be called good.
        
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        October 1, 2023 11:24am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Luxon rules out the greens long ago
        
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        October 1, 2023 11:46am
    - Colville
      
      If National- Green was every going to happen it was 2017 when Greens had the power to ask for ANYTHING and National would have given it to them to keep Winston/Jacinda out of power.
      
      New Zealand would be a lot better place today had that happened.
      
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      October 1, 2023 1:17pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Still won’t vote for him due to his pushing through of euthanasia. There is absolutely no excuse for killing people. As is shown in other countries it’s the start of a slippery slope. He seems to be bungling things a bit at the moment anyway and the latest is he wants to remove 2nd of January from the public holiday list. That won’t go down well. I’m retired so it wouldn’t affect me but I feel for families trying to get a break
    
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    October 1, 2023 12:17pm
    - Jack5
      
      Lifesgood’s … There is absolutely no excuse for killing people.
      
      Euthanasia needn't affect you, Lifesgood. It isn’t compulsory.
      
      Will you analyse any votes on this issue by your electorate candidates before you vote?
      
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      October 1, 2023 1:13pm
      - I remember when
        
        The first drops of rain don’t cause landslips or floods, but they but they are the start of something that may.
        
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        October 1, 2023 4:00pm
- westernScientist
  
  It was a small press release from 6 years ago, he probably doesn’t remember, its not exactly a mainstream topic because most people dont care. And the press release is correct, both Family First and Greenpeace are lobby groups not charities. Just because you like that particular lobby group doesn’t mean its not one.
  
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  October 1, 2023 8:28am
- Pavel
  
  Winston will keep him honest.
  
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  October 1, 2023 8:54am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Winston does not give a shit.
    Winston is for Winston only.
    
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    October 1, 2023 10:13am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    You forgot the //, Pav
    
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    October 1, 2023 1:22pm
- Damocles11
  
  I think Sanitarium should pay tax. In fact, I think its disgraceful that they don’t.
  
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  October 1, 2023 8:59am
  - rouppe
    
    I agree.
    
    Also, think the bigger picture…
    
    Ngai Tahu, Tainui… They all shelter under the same charities law
    
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    October 1, 2023 10:02am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, and Luxon said in the debate he thinks that’s not fair, and would look at changing that
    
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    October 1, 2023 11:48am
    - rouppe
      
      As long as he doesn’t go “oh yeah, but Maori are exempt”
      
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      October 1, 2023 5:23pm
- David Garrett
  
  Matt: I am getting seriously worried that Seymour is going to blow it…I had an email exchange with him last week – he normally just ignores me – in which he insultingly concluded with “enjoy wasting your day in the comments section of Kiwiblog”
  
  I replied saying essentially that the vast majority of us here – including visitors who never comment is in the tens of thousands a month – were ACT supporters, or at least ACT friendly and he should wake up and smell the coffee and tone down his hubris, which seems to get worse every day.
  
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  October 1, 2023 9:16am
  - Flossie
    
    Hope he pays attention to your very good advice.
    
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    October 1, 2023 9:42am
    - Mark Hanley
      
      How does Seymour know you “waste your time” on kiwiblog?
      
      Could Seymour be a fellow time waster?
      
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      October 1, 2023 9:52am
      - David Garrett
        
        Mark: No, I had mentioned KB…But then I know that all parties – including Labour – watch all political blogs assiduously…Seymour will have someone here regularly reporting what is being said.
        
        I forget the figures now, but IIRC DPF once told me that for every one commenter here, there are10 or 20 who “just watch”
        
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        October 1, 2023 10:10am
      - Ghost
        
        I was just looking at similar web, it lists kiwiblogs traffic as 434.8K visits last month. So it gets a lot of readers
        
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        October 1, 2023 10:14am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Well Then….
        
        MESSAGE TO DAVID SEYMOUR!
        
        Grow a pair and make your two most important and most achievable polices bottom lines…
        
        TOW REFERENDUM
        
        CROWD SOURCED COVID INQUIRY
        
        so we know what we are actually voting for!
        
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        October 1, 2023 10:31am
      - kowtow
        
        DG
        
        And in addition to those “watchers” , no doubt there’s a number of antifa types hoping to doxx all and sundry given half a chance.
        
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        October 1, 2023 11:03am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        PS It will be nearly impossible for Labour to reverse the TOW referendum and cocid inquiry when they come back to power.
        
        AND I’ll go out on a limb and say….
        
        A proper covid inquiry with the right terms of reference and ensuing criminal investigations (if appropriate) will keep the next corrupt Labour government in check.
        
        It may also keep corrupt Labour ministers away from our money for 12 years!
        
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        October 1, 2023 11:17am
    - David Garrett
      
      Flossie: You have to give the man credit whatever you think of him personally; he has taken ACT from a one man band to 10, with a possible 14 MP’s after the election – provided he pulls his head in.
      
      That is a very worthy achievement which must be acknowledged.
      
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      October 1, 2023 10:06am
      - Flossie
        
        Why do you imagine I don’t give him credit? I just think (as I gather you do too) that he’s getting a bit above himself lately and upsetting his potential voters.
        
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        October 1, 2023 10:12am
      - Jack5
        
        Thoughts of a strong ACT voice in any new coalition scare many – including more than a few in the State-owned and State subsidised news media.
        
        NZ First sees ACT as a rival, and even National is pushing hard for party votes. Its “two ticks blue” signs are in my Christchurch suburb.
        
        Would ACT survive without Seymour?
        
        He’s a tenacious worker, and he’s got principles.
        
        Seymour deserves respect for his stand against panic for firearms controls after the mosque massacres; for, with ACT’s Nicole McKee, talking to at least some of the protesters camping outside Parliament; for, as a Maori, standing against racial separation; and for his parallel work for his electorate.
        
        If I mark my party vote for ACT, it will be largely because of Seymour, not in spite of him.
        
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        October 1, 2023 11:02am
      - Flossie
        
        Jack – National have had “Two Ticks Blue” around for way longer than Peters rose above the threshold.
        
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        October 1, 2023 11:40am
      - cmm
        
        DG let me play the Devil’s Advocate here…
        Did Seymore accomplish the increase in support or did it just happen on his watch? It seems to me that most Act support comes from a shift in major party policies rather than a cult oc Seymore.
        
        Not stroking your ego, but IMHO, you were the most effective Act MP ever – which is why you were kneecapped. You achieved mire in your brief innings than most MPs accomplish in a decade.
        
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        October 1, 2023 12:48pm
      - gravedodger
        
        @ Jack5 below
        “Would ACT survive without Seymour?”
        A higher likelihood than Winston First without Winston.
        ACT has survived five leaders W1st has had one but the troops are a different tale, ACT supporters are there for the long haul, Peters comes up with virtually a new team every three years
        
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        October 1, 2023 1:07pm
      - Jack5
        
        CMM on David Garrett: … you were the most effective Act MP ever …
        
        DG’s presence was felt, but more effective than Roger Douglas, than Richard Prebble?
        
        But DG is the law and order man, and that would be especially useful right now.
        
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        October 1, 2023 1:22pm
      - Sarkozygroupie
        
        I think David Seymour has read the room and understood that he got a bit grumpy/pushy and people didn’t like the sudden change in demeanour.
        
        We are used to a polished, articulate, professional and calm approach to the issues from him. The sudden lashing out made him look erratic and that was unsettling to voters.
        
        I can understand that in no uncertain terms he does not like nor trust Winston Peters and therefore doesn’t want to work with him. In this I think he would reflect the vast majority of ACT voters. I think though his visible grumpiness has come across as arrogance and that has clouded that message.
        
        It is clear that ACT was trying to delineate the difference with NZFirst and maintain vote share in a coalition. It’s a competition don’t forget.
        
        I think also that ACT might have been a little premature in telling National how to behave (policy-wise). It’s a delicate balancing act with ACT supporters being very vocal and wanting ACT to ‘stiffen the spine of National’ and ACT running with that messaging in the lead up. Timing is everything.
        
        Message to David Seymour, please don’t alienate or insult your supporters with churlish comments about Kiwiblog commenters. This is NZ’s most popular political blog which is why we are here. And we want to see ACT in the next Government with as many MPs as possible governing on sound policy not personality politics.
        
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        October 1, 2023 11:28pm
  - Positan
    
    Incredibly, today’s BFD 1 October political poll has NZ First on 37% (it was 45% earlier) and ACT 31% with National on a very soggy 19%.
    Winston with all his egregious history is now scoring so high because: 1. He’s saying out loud what the electorate should be hearing from National and ACT, and 2. because Luxon stupidly failed to rule him out back when Peters’ support was only inconsequential.
    The horror is that we might well be looking at a very fractious National/NZ First/ACT coalition – which is the 2nd to last thing the country needs. (The last thing being Hipkins’ inept lot being returned.)
    
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    October 1, 2023 9:59am
    - Ghost
      
      If it’s on bfd, it’s rubbish.
      
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      October 1, 2023 10:04am
      - Matt Long
        
        It’s a self selecting poll of readers, what should be of interest is that two years ago Winston First didn’t register, then he took a fifteen minute walk around parliament.
        That’s pretty good return on investment for effort.
        
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        October 1, 2023 1:57pm
      - Ghost
        
        A self selecting poll of readers who are mainly nz first supporters. So as I said, it’s rubbish.
        
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        October 1, 2023 11:44pm
    - David Garrett
      
      Positan: For that to be true, every reputable pollster must be wildly out, and that is very very unlikely.
      
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      October 1, 2023 10:12am
      - Colville
        
        DG. Its a poll of its readership…not the public at large.
        
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        October 1, 2023 10:21am
      - David Garrett
        
        Colville: Ah…then that poll is utterly meaningless…just as a poll of KB commenters would have it: Nat 65% ACT 20%
        
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        October 1, 2023 10:37am
      - NothingLeft
        
        Kiwiblog commenters would be more like Act 70 Nat 28 NZF 2
        
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        October 1, 2023 10:47am
      - Positan
        
        David, as is covered in the comments below, it is a poll of BFD’s readership. I took it as such and, wishful thinking aside, was shocked to note how NZF had risen in readers’ popularity since the BFD’s September poll.
        Like Cam Slater, I see Luxon’s dithering to the last moment over whether he would or wouldn’t consider NZF and then capitulating as the prime reason for Nat and ACT support now arterially gushing toward NZF.
        Not me though, my memory of Peters’ treachery is not clouded.
        
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        October 1, 2023 1:55pm
    - RoboRob
      
      The BFD, successor to Whale oil. The blog where Cam Slater got caught out ‘secretly’ supporting NZF while NZF funded his legal expenses. The blog that spun the ‘NZF will pull National to the right’. The National party who slater constantly attacked.
      
      You are essentially going to a NZF blog site and shouldn’t be surprised that NZF does well and National does not. It’s also a hint to all those that think Winston wants to go with National, if he really did why does his mouthpiece spend so much time attacking National?
      
      I have no idea what its like now but I assume based on the ‘poll’ results not a lot has changed.
      
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      October 1, 2023 10:27am
    - Prince
      
      In other shock news, a Poll on the Standard has Labour on 60% and the Greens on 35%.
      5% can’t decide.
      
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      October 1, 2023 10:39am
      - goNZ1
        
        And on another stunning development TPM said that in their first 100 days they will outlaw slavery,headhunting,cannibalism and prisons
        
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        October 1, 2023 12:41pm
    - Philview
      
      I gave up reading the BFD as it seemed like if readers criticise NZ First they get a strong rebuttal from the moderators.
      
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      October 1, 2023 10:43am
      - RoboRob
        
        Lol, see my comment above. Thats because its essentially the NZF web site.
        
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        October 1, 2023 11:30am
    - lifesgood
      
      You read BFD? Really?
      
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      October 1, 2023 12:23pm
    - cmm
      
      A poll of what? The BFD echo chamber?
      Standard is running about 75% for Labour.
      
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      October 1, 2023 12:51pm
  - NZpatriot
    
    Absolutely. He’s blown it with his arrogance and too much social liberalism. For the first time ever I’m voting New Zealand First.
    
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    October 1, 2023 10:03am
    - David Garrett
      
      Patriot: FFS don’t do that! Not voting at all is an option you should think carefully about.
      
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      October 1, 2023 10:19am
      - RoboRob
        
        A massive number of pro NZF comments on this site, compared to his actual polling. Me suspects that NZF has an army of social media posters out there working for him. It has worked successfully in the past on sites like Whale oil and probably also now BFD.
        
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        October 1, 2023 10:31am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        It would be interesting to index political persuasion of commenter by date of first comment.
        
        My casual observation is that there has been an uptick of pro Winston comments coming from Johnny-come-lately nom de plumes.
        
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        October 1, 2023 1:29pm
    - Damocles11
      
      Amazing. Luxon is too weak, Seymour is too strong, only Winston – that seeker of baubles who put Jacinda on her throne in 2017 – is just right.
      
      Lets all just marvel at the extraordinary ‘Cult of Personality’ that Winston can leverage. One glimpse of his beaming smile & voters go weak at the knees.
      
      For people that claim that Seymour and Luxon are not under daily attack by several posters on this site, you only have to flick through a few posts to see that they are. The Great Charlatan has harnessed ultra-conservatives & ‘the covid people’ to do his work for him.
      
      Luxon ruling Peters out would have boosted Peters vote. He would have been seen as an unfairly maligned rebel being punished for saying ‘what the people want to hear’.
      
      National *has* ruled Peters out leading into past elections…..and he got over the threshold!
      
      Journalists, haters, and Winnie fans are spreading this rubbish about ‘Luxons strategic mistake’. Why are they doing it? To undermine Luxon and National of course, why else.
      
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      October 1, 2023 10:33am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        When you say NZF POSTERS.
        
        NZF only need one poster with 20 aliases to ensure their comments get highlighted.
        
        An understandable but regrettable KB flaw.
        
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        October 1, 2023 11:00am
    - amospicton
      
      NZpatriot voting NZ First – non sequitur of the week!
      
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      October 1, 2023 10:44am
  - Its only I
    
    Seymour always does this.
    Most around here think he is the lead clown running around in a pink bus, a bus with cam shaped wheels trying to be a less obvious Winston.
    
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    October 1, 2023 10:43am
  - Paulus
    
    There is no suggestion currently that Seymour will even win Epsom any more.
    Many locals are tired of his rhetoric and assumptions.
    
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    October 1, 2023 11:06am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    Mark,
    In a coalition where all parties have to vote for anything that is going to happen, it is not really possible to have bottom lines that the other parties simply won’t agree on. After all, they all have to vote for them.
    In short the coalition agreement will essentially cover the things that are basically agreeable to all. This is especially true for the major party of the coalition. They are seen to own everything the government does.
    I don’t see National agreeing to the TOW referendum. It is way too much against National’s history. National does not want to spend a year being completely dogged by TOW issues when the economy is the priority.
    Act is going to have focus on other parts of their agenda. Deregulation, charter schools, justice, etc.
    
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    October 1, 2023 11:23am
    - wsk12345
      
      What makes you think the economy is the priority? Many many people will leave the country if the apartheid continues, but will stick here through poor wages and recession due to family ties.
      
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      October 1, 2023 1:57pm
    - Matt Long
      
      I agree Wayne, if National were to let the people of New Zealand have their voices heard on TOW issues, they would have to be dragged there kicking and screaming.
      For the professional managerial class, democracy is too precious to be left in the hands of common deplorables.
      
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      October 1, 2023 2:03pm
      - Damocles11
        
        Winston’s name is at the top of the list of those who commissioned the He Puapua report, and it was due back in August 2019. We are lead to believe he never followed up on it.
        I though Jack Tame had him on the ropes in the recent interview, and Winston just blustered his way through with a mixture of anger, menace, and put-downs (“this is amateur hour”).
        
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        October 1, 2023 3:03pm
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        The principle reason I am personally against such a referendum is that the TOW is compact between Maori and the Crown. A referendum goes completely against that. It is highly unlikely that the majority of Maori would agree to changing the current legislative and judicial interpretation of the TOW, but in a general referendum that wouldn’t matter.
        A fundamental feature of our democratic system (and in all other western democratic systems) is majority rules, minority rights. That means the majority can’t arbitrarily take away minority rights. But that is exactly what is in prospect with a TOW referendum.
        This is the reason why National changed its policy (that existed from 2002 to about 2014) on the Maori seats. It realised that it would be unjust for the majority to take away the seats of the minority.
        
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        October 1, 2023 6:05pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @Wayne Mapp @ 6:05PM
        
        It realised that it would be unjust for the majority to take away the seats of the minority.
        
        So, you’re saying that highly intelligent, educated, people within the National Party hierarchy were suddenly persuaded, about 2011, “that it would be unjust for the majority to take away the seats of the minority”?
        
        I don’t buy that. Surely, all reasonable people in a liberal democracy would automatically hold that view. They wouldn’t need to be persuaded to it.
        
        No. I prefer my opinion, set out on Mon 28 Aug 23, here: https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/08/general_debate_28_august_2023.html/comment-page-1#comment-3426431. Basically, without at least Māori acquiescence, the removal of the Māori seats was never a goer.
        
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        October 1, 2023 7:18pm
    - Mark Hanley
      
      Wayne. I fear you are right which is why ACT won’t make it a bottom line.
      
      Which of course puts Seymour in the same boat as his nemesis Winston Peters.
      
      But I think you (and many others on kB) discount the power of the people. We decide the government and we pay their wages. We should not stand by and accept their BS?
      
      My plan in the event of inaction on the TOW and COVID is to run a citizens’ referendum. Give the people a say then keep hitting our employees over the head with the results until something is done.
      
      Luxon is clever and has a high moral standard. The Labour party corruption is so brazen and obvious, laundering billions of our dollars through the Maori King’s family (and other schemes) into their back pockets, that Luxon will know about it and will be compelled to address it.
      
      I also heard Seymour bemoan the self enrichment of the Labour Hierarchy in past interviews so I’m hoping he has the moral fortitude to do something about what must be taxpayers greatest expense over the last 6 years!
      
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      October 2, 2023 6:23am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Funny really David, I have been rubbished here by the filthy few for saying exactly this the last couple of years, he was never this arrogant as a one Mp party leader, as soon as he got the 8 seats or what ever he has now, he became Mr smarmy, arrogant, and has this self important vibe about him.
    
    I really think he has already blown it, people saying here Act would be 20% I suggest they may well be lucky to get 10% and Nats might get some, but all it has done is give the greatest of all Charlatans a voice, the adverts of Peters should have never happened, that right there is high arrogance
    
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    October 1, 2023 11:54am
    - Colville
      
      Seymour has been the hardest working opposition MP for years. Travels the country constantly doing meetings and talking with people.
      He deserves to do well.
      
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      October 1, 2023 4:24pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  You gotta laugh at this so called Disinformation Project. Its a bunch of arrogant contemptuous Lefties deciding what we of the Right can and cannot say. Its Orwellian in the extreme. They are just lucky we are so tolerant. What these nut jobs dont get is if we ever have an authoritarian right wing Government in the future they will be disestablished and terminated with extreme prejudice. Dumb Arseholes.
  
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  October 1, 2023 9:24am
  - G152
    
    They obviously do not know that attracting notice is liable to have serious repercusions for them down the track
    
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    October 1, 2023 9:41am
    - NothingLeft
      
      Stick em on a register of anti-democratic wanna-be fascists. Disqualifying for roles in public sector.
      
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      October 1, 2023 10:52am
  - Master Mariner
    
    It’s a World Wide state sponsored Project in some shape or form and some how they have this “marvellous ability” to discredit themselves.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqoeO7zp65I
    
    1:06 Mark. “Someone named Jacinda Ardern” ?
    
    Mandatory social media “Retraining”.
    
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    October 1, 2023 11:09am
  - kowtow
    
    Their head honcho Hannah is a Marxist , and publicly so.
    
    ’nuff said.
    
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    October 1, 2023 11:12am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Gulag Archipelico, Should be compulsary reading for retraining purposes of self identified Marxists.
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      October 1, 2023 2:51pm
- peterwn
  
  Sanatarium has a better case for charitable status than either Family First or Greenpeace. Seemed Sanatarium was initially a fund raising effort to help people in the Pacific and took off well beyond expectation.
  
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  October 1, 2023 9:30am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Well they made a serious mistake with weet bix. I predict the Commerce Commission is going to deal with them.
    
    Cutting off a product to one retailer while supplying others as usual? There is no acceptable excuse.
    
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    October 1, 2023 10:13am
    - RoboRob
      
      I have no idea what the story is behind this all but there definitely are valid reasons they might do this. How about, the warehouse wants contractual terms that Sanitarium refuses to accept? Could be something like, ‘Sanitarium provide product on consignment that we pay for after sale. Anything that expires we return at Sanitariums expense’.
      
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      October 1, 2023 10:34am
      - Damocles11
        
        Then why didn’t Sanitarium say that?
        
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        October 1, 2023 10:51am
      - RoboRob
        
        @Damocles11
        
        Companies don’t generally like talking about contracts publicly. However they could have said, unhappy with the warehouses contractual terms I guess.
        
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        October 1, 2023 11:35am
    - Ghost
      
      I predict nothing will come from this
      
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      October 1, 2023 10:52am
    - Paulus
      
      We do not know the real reason yet !
      
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      October 1, 2023 11:07am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        They said it was a supply issue, and they have not pulled the other products
        
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        October 1, 2023 11:59am
      - stuarts-burgers
        
        Supply problems it seems Megan W has eaten all the Weetbix
        
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        October 1, 2023 5:30pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Not really sure how they can, Sanatorium state it was a supply issue, and the other 3 products they stock including Marmite are still fully stocked, if other retailers were interfering, would they not have pulled A
      all products
      
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      October 1, 2023 11:58am
- Rusty
  
  @Matt
  
  I plain forgot that Seymour was behind the euthanasia bill. Now I’m starting to think differently about Seymour and his attitude towards Family first/ christian values.
  
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  October 1, 2023 10:20am
  - Damocles11
    
    You totally forgot that Seymour was behind that bill and the referendum? Amazing.
    
    I’m glad that Seymour was able to get that over the line. The public supported it. Direct democracy on action. There will be many religious conservatives that hate him for it however.
    
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    October 1, 2023 10:36am
    - kowtow
      
      Funny though how all the Branch Covidians ruthlessly and relentlessly pushed the vax and lockdown farce as a ” oh you bastard , think of Granny” and yet the same people are happy to bump her orf when she becomes an incontinent ,inconvenience with an inheritance .
      
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      October 1, 2023 10:59am
      - Damocles11
        
        How ridiculous. That bill was never about ‘bumping off Granny because she’s incovenient’. What a disgusting thing to say. And you’ve now put that slur on every single person who voted to get that referendum across the line. And what on earth has it got to go with so-called ‘branch covidians’? Once again, wrongheaded and disingenuous links behind made.
        
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        October 1, 2023 12:52pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      My policy on Euthanasia, and yes I was polled on it before the referendum, is it’s not really for me as a person to state a stand, some family members possibly need that out in certain situations, if I got sick and the opportunity arises, then the law is in place, but I do really think it’s more a family thing that has now been dealt with
      
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      October 1, 2023 12:04pm
    - Rusty
      
      @Damo..
      
      Is it wrong to forget about an issue 3 years ago — how many on KB have talked about it the last year or two?
      
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      October 1, 2023 12:22pm
  - peterwn
    
    The Bill (now an Act of Parliament) is working pretty well. I know someone with terminal cancer will will be making good use of it when her quality of life becomes unacceptable. Terminally ill people whose days are numbered should not be wishing that someone comes into the room and puts them out of their misery.
    
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    October 1, 2023 12:47pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Matt – Seymour is clearly not for social conservatism (SC). His stance on both euthanasia and abortion have been clear. Then ACT completely took the war to traditionalists with the choice to stand Brooke BW in Tamaki against Nats Simon O’Connor.
  
  So the choices are:
  – vote Nats who have the highest number of SCs of in their party. But softer stance on TOW, and economic management
  – vote ACT. Not pro-SC but stronger anti-co governance and fiscal management
  – vote Winston and let him decide who gets in power and won’t do anything to inhibit TOW co-governance and will be a mixed bag on fiscal management as long as he gets some nice baubles.
  – vote democracy NZ to signal importance of the SC viewpoint effectively allocating a percentage of your vote to all the parties that get in power.
  
  I’m undecided at this stage. Definitely want a change of government but wonder if we need another term of Labour Greens TPM to really get kiwis to a point of repentance?
  
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  October 1, 2023 12:10pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Disgusted with Act standing Brooke in Tamaki. Simon is the hardest working MP locally. Has put his heart and soul into the job and is first in line to help his constituents. Brooke is purely there because Simon is pro life and she is pro abortion. It is a malicious act by ACT after all haven’t they been gifted Epsom for years. I sincerely hope Simon wins and will vote for him.
    
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    October 1, 2023 12:35pm
    - Damocles11
      
      Why shouldn’t ACT stand candidates wherever they like? So they should be able to stand a candidate only in Epsom(?) Paul Goldsmith has been running against Seymour in Epsom, why do National run a candidate there? I can’t believe some of the things I’m reading today. Christian Conservatives are hopping mad because that particular National MP is ‘one of them’, but it’s actually smart politics on ACTs part: someone in Tamaki who doesn’t vote for Brooke in a close personal call may decide to party vote ACT, rather than just go ‘two ticks Blue’. The aim of the ACT party must be to get the ACT party vote up, surely!
      
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      October 1, 2023 12:58pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        They can Damo – but strategically it is a questionable and divisive stance – for every extra vote for ACT in Tamaki how many are lost from SCs around the country? Also, NATs ACT going after each others vote is winning battles but not the war. Taking votes off Labour or Greens or NZF is winning the war.
        
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        October 1, 2023 1:55pm
      - Matt Long
        
        Working respectfully with people who have different views on social issues is normal, instead Seymour has chosen to mock people who support Acts free market views, tell lies and accuse McCoskrie people of telling lies, he also asks in the interview by McCoskrie, “Do you people believe in DNA?”
        
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        October 1, 2023 2:31pm
- kisekiman
  
  Seymour is right though, lobby groups masquerading as charities shouldn’t get tax breaks. But he also pussied out when McCroskie called him out on his position regarding FF, no doubt not wanting to alienate possible voters. Can’t please everyone so he should have been straight up about it. He’s a politician so what can you expect.
  
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  October 1, 2023 2:00pm
  - Damocles11
    
    So he ‘pussied out’ with McCroskie, but then according to others he was rude and disrespectful….
    
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    October 1, 2023 3:06pm
3-coil

How is it that this pathetic Hipkins’ baiting that Luxon is racist by not ruling out NZFirst is still going on and on?

Labour will work with the toxic racist Tea Party Maori (“Maori genes are superior to Pakeha genes” etc morons). Please Christopher ask the whiny little prick why Chippie won’t rule TPM out. If not, why not? ‘Twas called “selective morality” back in the day – still is.
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October 1, 2023 8:11am
- thirteenstars
  
  I agree, but it’s not happening because Luxon is a political rice pudding.
  
  As I said here a couple of days ago:
  
  …comments from NZF’s Rangitata candidate, Robert Ballantyne, which in my opinion are perfectly acceptable because he’s not referring to Maori per se (as the reporter says) but to the activists of all stripes whose agenda it is to impose a non-democratic system on this country.
  
  Shame Luxon agreed at the debate when asked by Hipkins if Ballantyne’s comments were racist. They are most certainly not but that’s Luxon for you. Let’s all just agree that menopause sick leave is something worth considering.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_c08dG7KsY
  
  Until he takes the bit between his teeth, his opponents and the media will continue to thrash him about it. What he doesn’t seem to realise is you can’t placate these people. The more you give in, the more they come after you because they smell blood in the water.
  
  It’s fundamentally a philosophical problem. Luxon doesn’t rate co-governance a high enough priority or problem so he thinks he can just wave it off. Big mistake.
  
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  October 1, 2023 10:32am
  - kowtow
    
    I suspect the “co governance ” problem in the Nats is much bigger than Luxon and goes back a long time.
    
    Full and final of the ’90’s , morphed into Finlaysons’ co management ( and recall the nasty language he directed at folk opposed to that) has now become Luxon comfortable with some aspects of , not co management but “co governance”.
    
    Also Smile and Wave who campaigned on abolishing the race seats then did an un necessary deal with the Maori party , sending Sharples to NY and signing our sovereignty away .
    
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    October 1, 2023 11:44am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Well, they today released what they will do in the first 100 days, 3 waters is gone as expected, and RMA2.0 RMA is even worse than 3 waters, every single project has to be accepted by Māori
      
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      October 1, 2023 12:09pm
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      “Signing our sovereignty away”.
      
      NO.
      
      The UNDRIP is declaratory only and barely at that.
      
      It has no teeth whatsoever and is not a legally binding Agreement, let alone a non-binding Arrangement. NZ signing up to that means nothing in terms of our right to unfettered sovereignty, laws and statutes.
      
      The only people who have “signed our sovereignty away” is Labour’s Māori caucus aided and abetted by its white progressive liberal stablemates.
      
      These activists took a benign instrument and used it to push state-sanctioned ethno-nationalism on NZ citizens against their free will.
      
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      October 2, 2023 12:13am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  By not taking the bait he is looking the bigger person, Hipkins is showing what an absolute asshole he is
  
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  October 1, 2023 12:05pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Chinese sounding names Hipkins !
  
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  October 1, 2023 12:06pm
nathie

Was wondering … have the ram raiders stopped robbing dairies and stores, and have thuggish KO tenants (and those in emergency accommodation) stopped intimidating other law abiding KO tenants and the public passing by, and have the gangs stopped their convoys and street brawls … all in the lead up to the election?

Was wondering because the media doesn’t appear to be reporting these once typically weekly (if not daily) occurrences … all in the lead up to the election!
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October 1, 2023 8:14am
- greybeard
  
  So what you are trying to say is that the gangs may have put the word out to cease the raids and fights etc as they want to give Labour / Maori Party a cleaner run up to the Election ?
  I will buy that.
  
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  October 1, 2023 10:25am
  - RoboRob
    
    I think its more likely that the media has chosen to tone it down on reporting. They have an election to fill the gaps in the news.
    
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    October 1, 2023 10:36am
    - nathie
      
      Yes! The Team of $55m toning it down seems more likely.
      
      Can’t have all this “bad news” reminding the voters that Labour’s policies are hurting innocent Kiwi’s going about their lives and jobs!
      
      After all, as if many tick-tocking wannabe gangsters have a clue or care that an election is taking place!
      
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      October 1, 2023 11:06am
- kowtow
  
  4 robberies in central Auckland last night , merits a tiny paragraph buried deep in the paper.
  
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  October 1, 2023 11:45am
Bridgenag

Western Australia health authority data shows we are killing 5 people for every person we might save if the vaccine worked (which it doesn’t)
How could anyone not notice this? In 2021, there were 0 deaths reported for all other vaccines combined but 87 reported for the COVID vaccine. That’s not “bad luck.” That’s a disaster.

https://open.substack.com/pub/stevekirsch/p/western-australia-health-authority?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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October 1, 2023 8:16am
- imalwaysright
  
  Brid,
  
  Pre jab, the trigger point for recalling a vaccine was 50 deaths. Worldwide !
  
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  October 1, 2023 10:39am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Gave up waiting for the post to get out of moderation at an hour and a half……
    
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    October 1, 2023 12:49pm
Warren

While I agree that race baiting shouldn’t have a place in New Zealand, I also think the Media are hypocrites for the way they have handled it.
So can the Media please tell us how they distinguish the difference between race baiting of Maori and their continual hate for the National Party and Act Party that they print on a daily basis with the
help of the Prime Minister and his Labour Government to what is happening with others.
Obviously you find it difficult at this time because Labour are languishing in the polls but you have Continually ridiculed Chris Luxon with the same sort of innuendo as you are saying Parties on the Right of Politics have done to Maori.
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October 1, 2023 8:17am
- kowtow
  
  Media Pahti on the face of it , compared to the noise they make about “race baiting” , very comfortable with the Labour party , Jackson statement about democracy being different .
  
  This goes to the heart of the matter , it’s not about race , it’s about the constitution and the fact that there’s a far left , extremist anti democratic slow burning revolution , coup d’etat , underway and te media party are a part of it.
  
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  October 1, 2023 11:50am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Hipkins is at his last resort, racist jabs at everyone will fail, people see through his vulgarity, no wonder he is a no show today feeling sick
  
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  October 1, 2023 12:12pm
DimChappie

Martyn Bradbury reckons supporters of National, NZ First and ACT should be ashamed of themselves after the alleged attacks on Maori Party candidate Hana Maipi-Clarke and Labour’s Angela Roberts.

“If you vote ACT, NZFirst or National, you are racist.”

https://shorturl.at/egvLU

“The frantic race baiting hatred that NZ First, ACT and National have all indulged in to twist 3 Waters and Co-Governance into ‘apartheid’ has consequences, and we are seeing those consequences in the unhinged hatred of right wing extremists!”
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October 1, 2023 8:21am
- Gravelroad
  
  Has anyone been arrested for these attacks?
  Have there been any charges laid,trials held?
  If not, how do we know who is responsible or what their political views might be?
  I must be missing something. How does Mr Bradbury know they are National, Act and/or NZF affiliates?
  
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  October 1, 2023 10:15am
  - CJames
    
    My thoughts exactly. Either they have real evidence they are not sharing, or they are just playing politics with the all-too-frequent crime that is now occurring. I suspect very much the latter.
    
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    October 1, 2023 10:31am
  - imalwaysright
    
    A spokesperson for the alleged victim said that this is the fourth incident and that they didn’t report the previous incidents to the police because they were so distraught !
    Efeso Collins ,allegedly, seems to have had similar problems.
    Maybe they are related.
    
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    October 1, 2023 10:45am
- Swifty
  
  Deranged. Demented.
  
  How to win friends and influence people the Bradbury way.
  
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  October 1, 2023 10:23am
- Damocles11
  
  What an absolute mongrel Bradbury is.
  
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  October 1, 2023 10:39am
- thirteenstars
  
  Not just racism but ageism. The insectoid-like Rebecca Wright directly accused Peters of being too old:
  
  https://youtu.be/7b0vtIuyi1A?si=O89MRzyOEGtH8DiM&t=796
  
  “I just wonder…”
  
  Right there, that’s a political operative masquerading as a journalist, spewing neo-Marxist “rights for me but not for thee” rhetoric at every turn.
  
  Ugh.
  
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  October 1, 2023 10:45am
- amospicton
  
  The only reason that race is an issue at all in this debate is Labour’s sneaky undemocratic attempt to impose co-governance on the country without any mention of it in the prior election or in the bought and paid for media. That has created division and anger and is bad for Maori. To then accuse the opposition of race baiting is ridiculous but shows how low Hipkins will stoop to retain power.
  
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  October 1, 2023 10:48am
- NothingLeft
  
  Let’s wait for arrest of perpetrator, if they exist (many supposed racist attacks in recent years have turned out to be fabricated for publicity)
  
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  October 1, 2023 10:57am
  - Che Guava
    
    I agree. Racist White supremacist incidents are so rare that they usually have to be faked just to keep up the false reality that this is the biggest threat society faces. By contrast, nobody needs to fake gang incidents or ram raids in South Auckland.
    
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    October 1, 2023 11:55am
- Che Guava
  
  Race-based legal privilege (or disadvantage, depending on the perspective) is apartheid. As we see “hatred” and “racism” are the only responses to calling it out as being such, which tells us that they know it’s apartheid.
  
  Opponents have to lean into it. Thinking people understand the nature of co-governance; unthinking drones agree when they are told it is a moral imperative and “racist” to oppose it.
  
  I cannot stress enough the we have to dispense with the moral framework that tells us that “racism” is the pinnacle of immorality. “Racism” is a rhetorical speed bump placed in the way of anyone who is following a certain line of reasoning, that being a White person who is standing up for himself and not bending over, while pointing out the reality of non-White people’s (in this case, Maori) position.
  
  They don’t really believe that so-called “racists” hate brown people, they just depend on the so-called “racists” thinking that that is what they mean. You get someone like Luxon falling into this trap all of the time:
  
  “Do you think that was a racist statement, Mr Luxon?”
  
  “No, no, no. I’m not racist – please, please like me. Please! See, we have a diverse cabinet too! See. No racism here. I hate White people as much as the next decent person.”
  
  He should ignore these questions and move onto something he wants to say. Or perhaps he could ask the questioner to define ‘racism’ first before he forms a view. Instead, they fall into the trap every time, and play a game devised to handicap them and which they’ll never win.
  
  It is a mental trap that means, unless we ignore it, no issue will ever be addressed and fixed, because addressing and fixing things is necessarily “racist.”
  
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  October 1, 2023 11:07am
  - JohnRidd
    
    It is worth mentioning that the meaning of racism has been redefined by the post modernists.
    
    It used to mean treating a person differently because of their race.
    
    Now it means not treating a person differently because of their race.
    
    Under this new definition it is racist to say Maori should be treated the same as everyone else.
    
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    October 1, 2023 4:13pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Who says it’s not a Labour Māori voter that hates TPM? Bradbury should be very careful what he says about this, there has been a police complaint made and he could damage a court hearing with his biased hatred of half the population
  
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  October 1, 2023 12:15pm
kiwikidsnz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300979367/new-survey-shows-widespread-support-for-taxes-on-capital-gains-and-windfall-profits

A poll run by, of & for the usual suspects with the usual leading questions.
https://www.bettertaxes.nz/about
https://www.bettertaxes.nz/essential-profits-poll

Yeah nah
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October 1, 2023 8:21am
- greybeard
  
  “The group is campaigning for tax reform, and is backed by various unions and social advocacy groups including the Council of Trade Unions and Oxfam.”
  Not one-sided at all
  
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  October 1, 2023 10:27am
- Matt Long
  
  There’s still support for a wealth tax amongst Labour MPs with Ibrahim Omer saying it’s been paused for the election.
  https://twitter.com/Jane59501255/status/1708067944268534202
  
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  October 1, 2023 10:37am
  - PeeJay
    
    Not a surprise at all.
    
    Make no mistake – all their abandoned/paused policy, like co-governance on steroids and wealth taxes will be implemented if they get back in.
    
    If Labour can form a government with the Greens and Maori, both of whom are committed to wealth taxes etc, Hipkins will need to allow the wealth taxes, probably as a price of the coalition agreement, or Labour will roll Hipkins if required.
    
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    October 1, 2023 11:09am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      They haven’t got a shit show, even with NZF they can’t get to 61 . And believe me Peters would go with them if he thought he could get something out of them
      
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      October 1, 2023 12:18pm
Chuck Bird

This debate is about 90 minutes. If you do not have that time then just forward to the last 10 minutes and Dr Steven Koonin will show how dishonest the alarmist are. The tell lies about his book without reading it.

Renewable Energy to Save the Planet? A Soho Forum Debate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gICW2VL434&t=30s
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October 1, 2023 8:33am
Maggy Wassilieff

Two recent articles about the cosy relationships between current and past National Party MPs.

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2023/09/30/bryce-edwards-the-vested-interests-shaping-national-party-policies/

https://croakingcassandra.com/2023/09/30/conflicts-of-interest-and-public-life-and-policy/
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October 1, 2023 8:43am
- kowtow
  
  All well and good ,and genuine question ;
  
  did Bryce do similar work on Labour , plenty of material there such as Mahuta Corp , Hipkin’s close assoc thru Mummy with education policy , etc
  
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  October 1, 2023 8:59am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    did Bryce do similar work on Labour
    
    Yep,
    
    https://democracyproject.nz/2022/07/05/bryce-edwards-government-appointments-under-scrutiny/
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/political-roundup-time-for-auditor-general-to-investigate-nanaia-mahutas-husbands-contracts-bryce-edwards/C7CLBQEEZQD64ZAR57N4ETJ3OA/
    
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    October 1, 2023 9:57am
    - Jack5
      
      The post-career links of Prime Ministers haven’t all been glamorous.
      
      In this link, the millions in the headline are in US dollars:
      
      https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/former-new-zealand-prime-minister-ordered-pay-39-mln-after-company-collapse-2023-08-25/
      
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      October 1, 2023 11:21am
    - kowtow
      
      Good stuff , but did he lead or follow Cranmer .
      
      Genuine question.
      
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      October 1, 2023 11:54am
      - Steve Todd
        
        What will be your follow-up response to the revelation that he led Cranmer?
        
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        October 1, 2023 3:00pm
      - kowtow
        
        Yawn .
        
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        October 1, 2023 5:03pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Boring.
        
        That’s at least twice now, that you have had no answer to me, so, in a pathetic attempt to save face, you have tried to make out that I wasn’t worth responding to.
        
        Sad.
        
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        October 1, 2023 8:13pm
      - kowtow
        
        I wasn’t arsed as your question was posed in a smart arse way ; further my questions were genuine . But you already had an answer to them , which btw was wrong as well as condescending.
        
        Is that good enuff for ya .
        
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        October 1, 2023 8:45pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Is that good enuff for ya .
        
        No, it’s not, but it doesn’t really matter. We all know you were having a dig at Bryce Edwards.
        
        Regardless, what on earth is this answer I “had”, and how was it wrong and condescending?
        
        Genuine question.
        
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        October 1, 2023 9:33pm
- Philview
  
  Michael has done a lot of critical blogs and analysis about Labour in the last 3 years. He does a couple about National and suddenly he is on the TV News and all over the media. I like Michael but I hope he can see that his fair minded approach is being weaponised by the media.
  
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  October 1, 2023 9:53am
  - kowtow
    
    I don’t recall te media pahti using his many past critiques of the reserve bank so publicly at all .
    
    But suddenly he’s being made very high profile.
    
    How very queer .
    
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    October 1, 2023 11:56am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Rabbits.
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October 1, 2023 8:44am
- kowtow
  
  China has two national days .
  
  Today’s is the comrades’ , 10 Oct is the original one and still celebrated in democratic , free Taiwan.
  
  Which one will be “celebrated” here ……
  
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  October 1, 2023 8:52am
- rouppe
  
  https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/collection/rabbit-recipes
  
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  October 1, 2023 8:53am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    As a kid, on the farm, Dad would shoot and prepare rabbits. Mum would make rabbit brawn. Yum! I think the meat kept longer. No supermarkets then, local 4 square miles away, just a food safe, and a wooden fridge that had the big block of ice put in once every two weeks.
    
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    October 1, 2023 11:10am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Remember when it was “white rabbits”?
  
  https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/why-do-we-say-white-rabbits-first-of-the-month-b1009636.html
  
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  October 1, 2023 11:29am
kevn

Crickets.
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October 1, 2023 8:50am
- rouppe
  
  https://www.wikihow.com/Cook-Grasshoppers
  
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  October 1, 2023 9:19am
mandk

COYS
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October 1, 2023 8:54am
Inandout

These ‘ghost cities’ in China are a scandalous waste of building materials and I learnt between 2011-13 China used more concrete than the US did in the entire 2oth century. These unoccupied buildings are so jerry built they are literally falling to bits.
https://allthatsinteresting.com/chinese-ghost-cities
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October 1, 2023 9:07am
- Waipuk
  
  What about 40,000 EVs rusting in a Chinese valley.
  
  https://youtu.be/1SEfwoqKRU8?si=x53vrGU763pn4Cr0
  
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  October 1, 2023 9:59am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Not only in China..
  
  https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/3233246/malaysias-country-garden-forest-city-us100-billion-ghost-town-caught-china-property-giants-woes
  
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  October 1, 2023 10:03am
- NothingLeft
  
  It’s estimated that there is enough empty housing to accommodate more than population of china. But 60% of population are still in abject poverty.
  
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  October 1, 2023 11:01am
  - rouppe
    
    Sounds like a solution to our emergency housing problem…
    
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    October 1, 2023 5:38pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Peters says National and Act won’t and can’t form a Government without him.
Peters must be the one who counts the votes.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/kingmaker-hopeful-winston-peters-vows-nats-act-can-t-and-won-t-form-a-govt-without-him/ar-AA1hsYK
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October 1, 2023 9:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Watch him dance on the head of a pin when it comes to talking about the Treaty.
  He wants to talk about it by saying nothing. Typical trademark Peters.
  
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  October 1, 2023 9:23am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Have seen a video of Mr Peters running rings round the woman who chaired the TV3 minor party leaders debate – Rebecca someone.
    He really called her out on racism, Maori history and lack of respect for older people.
    Her arrogance and conceit is an example of the media out of touch with the people.
    Peters is a clever politician and I can see why many are turning his way.
    Just a shame he can’t be trusted when it matters most.
    
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    October 1, 2023 9:36am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That is the thing. Very clever, but shown that we can’t trust him.
      
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      October 1, 2023 11:43am
      - ProtectBabiesFromPredators
        
        Yes, Steve. Ad Nauseum. Cannot be Trusted.
        Winston says the exact words that reverberate. He speaks the Truth. Follow through? Not So Much.
        
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        October 1, 2023 8:06pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I just can’t see a National ACT NZ First Government being functional or lasting.
  
  Winston’s dislike of David Seymour will mean that ACT policies will be still born.
  
  The other thing is what kinds of madness will Winston want in a coalition agreement?
  
  Yes, New Zealand would be rid of the current horror show. However IMO such a three way coalition would mean that the country would stagnate. I think that David Seymour would eventually walk away, even if that meant a new election. He is not there to be in government. He is there to achieve change.
  
  Since 1996, the trend has been for MMP to serve up progressively worse outcomes. Maybe 2017 was the nadir, but maybe there is worse to come.
  
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  October 1, 2023 9:34am
  - David Garrett
    
    Bene: I quite agree – a three way Nat/ACT/NZF government would be inherently unstable, and at best, achieve absolutely nothing. One of the second two parties would walk away; it would be somewhat ironic if that wasn’t Peters.
    
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    October 1, 2023 9:39am
    - Greenbanana
      
      Good grief. It would appear that you have swallowed the coalition of chaos dribble being spewed out by Labour.Might as well vote for them to save us all from disaster.
      
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      October 1, 2023 11:15am
  - Taieri
    
    He is not there to be in government.
    ————-
    
    Every politician is there to be in the government. This is the only reason people go into politics.
    
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    October 1, 2023 9:42am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “Every politician is there to be in the government.”
      
      Seymour says quite the opposite and I believe him. He recently said that National (and I guess Winston) will be negotiating with someone who has nothing to lose.
      
      There is no point in just “being in Government”. That is my major problem with the underlying philosophy of Wayne Mapp.
      
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      October 1, 2023 4:56pm
  - Rusty
    
    @Benedict
    
    The same could have been said in 2017 with a Labour/ NZF/ Greens govt
    
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    October 1, 2023 10:14am
  - Jack5
    
    Government by coalitions – as usually provided by MMP – doesn’t suit New Zealand.
    
    We should be looking at other electoral systems.
    
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    October 1, 2023 10:26am
  - cmm
    
    Yup, as I said a few days back, a National/Labour government would be far more stable.
    
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    October 1, 2023 1:00pm
- Paulus
  
  Can we assume that Peters will put the voting papers through the counting machines ?
  
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  October 1, 2023 11:11am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The last poll had Nats and ACT at 48% when you look at the wasted vote I think the results have been massaged, 48% plus their share of wasted vote would have them over 50% not sure how this means the right need NZF
  
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  October 1, 2023 12:22pm
trout

The most influential lobbyists (and advisors) in NZ would be the Maori elite and their whanau based in Wellington. Add to that the CTU and NZEI ; Joyce is small beer compared to the influence these organizations have on the Labour Government. Lobbyists represent interest groups; MP’s represent the people. Labour has a bunch of weak and incompetent MP’s who have put the demands of their sponsors before the aspirations of the public. A good reason to turf them out.
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October 1, 2023 9:19am
Maggie Pie

The last time I ever felt like walking up to the telly and smashing someone in the face was about ten years ago, when then Mayor Len Brown sat in the studio, hotly denying he’d eaten a Chinese Takeaway off the Boardroom Table in the sacred Wherethefukarewe Room of the Auckland Town Hall.

But watching TV3s ‘The Nation’ interview yesterday between National’s mild-mannered hardman Mark Mitchell……and that nasty overbearing Labor sukhole Simon Shepard, I felt that same way about Simon 🙁

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/09/national-police-spokesperson-mark-mitchell-s-push-for-new-zealand-to-follow-australia-in-banning-gang-patches.html
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October 1, 2023 9:20am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Must be before my time. I didn’t realise that eating Chinese food in a so called sacred room would cause a meltdown 😅
  
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  October 1, 2023 9:37am
  - Hollyfield
    
    Oh dear Benedict, it must really have been before your time! It made headlines for weeks. The comment refers to an affair the Mayor had which included an encounter on the boardroom table in the Ngati Whatua Room.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Len_Brown#Extramarital_affair
    By the way, the young woman involved knocked on my door while campaigning for the council election that year, the only person to have ever knocked on my door campaigning (at least, while I’ve been home and therefore aware of it).
    
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    October 1, 2023 10:00am
  - Yvette
    
    Benedict, for your edification – :o)
    https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1380474/auckland-mayor-still-has-lot-questions-answer-his-family-says-ex
    
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    October 1, 2023 10:07am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You’d be into Sweet & Sour Beef Flaps wouldn’t ya Bene? 😛
    
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    October 1, 2023 10:11am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He was dinning at the Y
    
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    October 1, 2023 12:24pm
- David Garrett
  
  Maggie: I couldn’t agree more. But I was very surprised when Shephard cited decreasing charging numbers, that Mitchell didn’t grasp the nettle and blame that squarely on police policy, and more squarely on Cuddles Coster.
  
  I had a guest piece published on here last week in which I suggested that the 25% reduction in prisoner numbers arose from judges sentencing more leniently. As discussion went on, it seemed much more likely that the decrease largely arose from police downgrading charges, and charging offenders less often – which the graph shown during that interview showed.
  
  Perhaps as an ex policeman Mitchell doesn’t feel comfortable criticising his former brethren? I found that an odd omission on his part.
  
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  October 1, 2023 9:37am
  - kowtow
    
    Or maybe Mitchell’s not quite as smart as some Nat folks make him out to be .
    
    Apparently he’s said he’ll do away with “policing by consent” which would have been a dig at Coster .
    
    But worryingly, perhaps it shows he doesn’t understand the philosophy underpinning the policing tradition in the UK and many of the former Dominions , including NZ.
    
    The Peel Principles .
    
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    October 1, 2023 9:52am
  - Hollyfield
    
    Maybe he’s anticipating having to work with Coster in a couple of weeks’ time, and is keeping his powder dry.
    
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    October 1, 2023 11:27am
- imalwaysright
  
  Mark Mitchell’s self control was admirable..
  If Snivelling sarcastic Si spoke to me like that I would probably get six months home d.
  
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  October 1, 2023 10:00am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, as a cultural aside, I note how much our eating habits have changed in 10 years, from Chinese takeaways to now Thai.
  
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  October 1, 2023 10:46am
- oldgolfer
  
  Shepherd and Wright have that effect on me, too.
  
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  October 1, 2023 11:00am
- OlderChas
  
  Good God I just watched some of it Maggie. I feel exactly the same way as you and had to shove my hands in my pockets to protect my laptop! What a nasty little piece he is! Why bother interviewing someone if all your going to do is spout your own views – even while the interviewee is talking? Well done Mark Mitchell for not smacking the little gobshite in the mouth and walking off his set.
  
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  October 1, 2023 11:31am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They have done it to Luxon, Willis, tried with Stanford, it’s utterly pathetic and voters see right through it
    
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    October 1, 2023 12:26pm
- Opie
  
  Maggie – wins the internet today.
  
  Still my favorite local government scandal of all time
  
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  October 1, 2023 1:57pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/four-injured-after-vehicle-driven-wrong-way-on-auckland-on-ramp/ar-AA1huWQs

Can only be one thing – meth.
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October 1, 2023 9:27am
- Ian Boag
  
  or alcohol …. ?
  
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  October 1, 2023 9:58am
- Maggie Pie
  
  …..or Asian?
  
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  October 1, 2023 10:20am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Unfair. The Thai girl we know in Alaska drives perfectly. I was impressed.
    Out of the airport and she goes “look out, Asian driver!’
    Thing is they go around roundabouts anti-clockwise. Or should that be counter clockwise? Anyway, it is so wrong. I decided right then to not drive in Alaska.
    
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    October 1, 2023 4:22pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  There was an incident a few years back of a 90 year old doing this – thankfully no accident.
  
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  October 1, 2023 2:02pm
Sparrow

I watched Q&A for the first time for many months as can’t stand Jack Tame. He interviewed Winston in the most despicable example of biased aggressive intimidating beat up I have ever seen. I was surprised Winston did not walk out this was obviously a set up hatchet job orchestrated by the TVNZ masters. The result will be more votes for Winston and hopefully the end of Tame and TVNZ with a new government
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October 1, 2023 9:42am
- Damocles11
  
  People who vote for Winston *because he barks back at interviewers*, while ignoring what he does in government….that’s a significant issue right there. ‘Talking tough’ is not the same as ‘actually doing something’.
  
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  October 1, 2023 9:57am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    People should never forget the sight of him asleep in Turkey on the podium for the whole world to see, do we really need this old fool in the way?
    
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    October 1, 2023 12:29pm
- kevn
  
  Sparrow… tame jack , smugness personified.
  
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  October 1, 2023 10:00am
- pdm
  
  Sparrow – if you had stayed tuned you would have seen Tame give James Shaw a free ride in the following interview.
  
  Will Tame be on Labours List in the 2026 election?
  
  I think he is angling that way.
  
  BTW I thought Peters ate him up and spat him out – probably added 2% to the NZFirst Party Vote.
  
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  October 1, 2023 10:06am
  - RoboRob
    
    Tames a green party man, Labour is too right wing for him.
    
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    October 1, 2023 12:27pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Tame would be on a green list so there
    
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    October 1, 2023 12:29pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Why are the views of presenters given any credence. They are simply a member of the voting public, no more, no less, and yet they set themselves up as some kind of authority.
      
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      October 1, 2023 12:52pm
- PeeJay
  
  Sorry, I honestly couldn’t give a crap about the downticks this might generate, but when a politician can’t answer simple questions like how much a prison will cost, how many gang associates there are, and running away from answering questions when he was Deputy PM, refusing to answer any questions on his donors or his championing of the racing industry, all things Peter’s has either campaigned on or has done in when he was last in power, that is not on Tame – Tame is doing his job. Sure, Tame should be bringing this against every politician, but Peter’s was pathetic – he doesn’t have a clue, he’s rambling, he’s got soundbites with nothing else behind them – because there is nothing else behind them – he is a shallow husk, a dog barking at cars, targeting those 5% or so of discontented voters who he has targeted as being those that can get him in – he couldn’t give a shit about them because he is only using them to get back to the trough – there are no details behind his policy because there doesn’t need to be. But sure – 5% to 7% of folks will vote for him.
  
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  October 1, 2023 10:32am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    No down ticks required
    
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    October 1, 2023 12:31pm
  - MCōs
    
    BTW
    The new 600 bed Waikeria prison cost more than a billion dollars.
    That’s a lot of taxpayers money. No wonder Winston didn’t want to remember the cost of all these extra prisons he talks about.
    
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    October 1, 2023 1:23pm
  - jon
    
    PJ you are right, interview a train wreak, Winston didnt do himself any favours for lack of detail and general floundering round throughout his conversation with the awful Jack Tame. In that kind of form Winston would pose a real headache in a Nat/Act coalition.
    
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    October 1, 2023 3:42pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Tame reads too many John Grisham books.
  
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  October 1, 2023 10:55am
- Aquarius
  
  I also just watched Jack Lame’s attack on Winston
  I am no Winston fan and could never vote for him
  Regrettably I think the interview was so bad that it might be responsible for getting him over the 5% mark
  
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  October 1, 2023 12:06pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    That is the medias plan
    
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    October 1, 2023 12:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance.
Wellington.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/anti-racism-protesters-confront-co-governance-activists-on-march-to-parliament/ar-AA1htZUN
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October 1, 2023 9:54am
The Veteran

With the Greens clearly holding firm and on the ascendancy and given that their supporters are more likely to turnout on election day compared with dispirited Labour voters is it just possible that, post the election, we could end up with the Greens in Parliament being His Majesty’s Loyal Opposition … and what would that mean for Labour.

Just asking for a friend.
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October 1, 2023 9:55am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  As they and TPM are ardent Republicans I would not call them Loyal, but there could be a chance that the Greens and TPM could have more seats than Labour.
  
  It would not surprise me if we are seeing the Death Throes of Labour. They are no longer the party of the worker but of the Wokerati and the University “educated”.
  
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  October 1, 2023 10:52am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The more Greens that end up in Parliament, the more fractious they’ll become.
  
  I don’t think James Shaw or Marama Davidson are capable of holding things together for much longer.
  
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  October 1, 2023 11:08am
  - kowtow
    
    And te media pahti will have more social media accounts to trawl through to find outrageous posts ( like they do against the other team) //
    
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    October 1, 2023 12:25pm
  - cmm
    
    Green’s biggest problem seems to be their lack of any core principles they share.
    Some are environment first, some are social justice warriors, some are just anti-west.
    The only common thing they have is loving the trough they say they despise.
    
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    October 1, 2023 1:12pm
- Paulus
  
  Looks as though previous Labour voters are transferring their intended votes to Greens.
  Anything but a non Left Wing Government, even to the Greens !
  
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  October 1, 2023 11:15am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Only some are going green
    
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    October 1, 2023 12:33pm
- RoboRob
  
  Greens always poll high and get a lower result. I suspect it will be more so this time around. A lot of the Green poll vote are ex Labour peeps who wont bother to actually vote.
  
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  October 1, 2023 12:28pm
Jack5

Sweden’s “carry on working” Covid policy has been more successful than lockdowns by the measure of excess deaths, surely a valid comparison.

So it looks like Ardern’s economic shutdown needlessly plunged us into inflation that will take years to tame. It also near-killed our tourist industry, the country’s biggest earner of foreign exchange.

It was Labour’s Covid policy: they were in charge; they were the government. Why aren’t election campaigners ripping into Labour on this?

A short, interesting video looks at Sweden’s Covid strategy and mentions the “model” of the Imperial College of London, which I think was the one that NZ followed.

At 8.06 in the video clip, a smug BCC Hardtalk interviewer seems to sneer at the Swedish approach. This was early in the pandemic.

The video:

https://youtu.be/NQiAOeDoZY4?si=L6384w8hzU2DL9_y
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October 1, 2023 10:05am
- kowtow
  
  Recall through the scamdemic how the international msm excoriated the Swedish response .
  
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  October 1, 2023 12:04pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  I recall the Swedish Chief Epidemiologist on Paul Henry’s program early in the pandemic. I quite enjoyed Paul Henry on the radio but it was embarrassing watching him talk over and sneer at the Swede—then misinterpreting the Swedes maths and beating him up as if he had a superior knowledge of math but was just plain ignorant. Major cringe.
  
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  October 1, 2023 2:08pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie just tweeted…..’not only has the stable door been kicked off it’s hinges, that horse has well and truly bolted’ 😀

https://twitter.com/NewsroomNZ/status/1707840915270738236
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October 1, 2023 10:06am
- Ghost
  
  Our MP’s seems to waste time of those most in need, photo ops with doctors, dentist. Sorry, No appointments today, the pm is coming for a photo op
  
  Oh well, on a plus he isn’t eating junk food
  
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  October 1, 2023 10:09am
- Damocles11
  
  She left some time ago.
  
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  October 1, 2023 2:20pm
NZpatriot

Winston said on Newshub yesterday that in relation to a government of the Nats, ACT and NZ First “We need to put our differences and egos aside and start acting like adults”.

Winston is showing maturity and starting to bury the hatchet with Seymour so they can work together post election. In the Kiss, Marry, Kick game on a political show Winston chose to “Kiss” Seymour – another gesture of some goodwill. Seymour by contrast chose to “kick” Winston.

Seymour keeps bagging Winston all the time can’t get over his own ego and feelings and is behaving like a child. I am extremely unimpressed and most unfortunately ACT has lost my vote.

I have always voted ACT and now I’m voting NZ First.
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October 1, 2023 10:10am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Did you see Peter’s abuse Jack Tame on Q + A this morning. That will give him votes.
  
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  October 1, 2023 10:23am
  - kowtow
    
    Any reasonable person will see right through Peters and his lies and gaming the system.
    
    ( not to say Tame didn’t make a fool of himself too , being hard on the old goat while always a free pass to the left)
    
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    October 1, 2023 12:10pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Anyone right of centre will see the different in how he interviewed Shaw. Why did he not ask him about his dodgy uni degree?
      
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      October 1, 2023 1:26pm
    - Jethrod
      
      “Is that a threat Mr Peters”?
      “No! It’s a promise”
      
      Just hi-lighting 2 things….. the interviewer with clay feet and the narcissistic interviewee.
      
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      October 1, 2023 4:16pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Which is exactly what the media want people to do given they’ve finally accepted Labour’s chances of forming a stable government are near zero. Let’s try and encourage a potentially unstable right coalition instead as the next best option.
  
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  October 1, 2023 10:29am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  NZp.
  You’re a bloody fool. Don’t you care about your coountry.
  
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  October 1, 2023 11:37am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  NZPatriot = NZF stooge
  
  Recent arrival on this site. Nuff said.
  
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  October 1, 2023 1:45pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Nuff said.
    
    No it’s not. S/he could have been “watching” for the last 10, 15 years. But even if that is not the case, what has when someone starts commenting here got to do with the nature and quality of their comments?
    
    Why can’t you and many others here like you get it into your heads that Kiwiblog is not a right-wing / NACT echo chamber?
    
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    October 1, 2023 2:24pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Oh, I agree Steve. I welcome open debate of ideas. But the upsurge in pro Winston comments from new posters who state that ‘I used to support XYZ but now I’m voting Winston’ – yeah, nah.
      
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      October 1, 2023 6:07pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Is there an “upsurge in pro Winston comments from new posters”? I have no way of knowing that, nor do I care – see my 5:56PM response to slightlyrighty, below.
        
        But what if there is? So what? Such comments are not going to persuade me to vote for NZ First, and, it would seem, they’re not going to persuade you to, either.
        
        So, what are you worried about? That the “watchers” might be persuaded? Relax, Bolly, it will all come out in “the wash”.
        
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        October 1, 2023 7:52pm
    - NZpatriot
      
      Steve Todd you’re precisely right. Long time follower of the blog and its comments. Cheers.
      
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      October 1, 2023 11:59pm
  - NZpatriot
    
    Just to set things straight, I have been on KiwiBlog for over 15 years and supported ACT for a very long time.
    
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    October 1, 2023 11:58pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Winston is showing maturity and starting to bury the hatchet with Seymour so they can work together post election.”
  
  It is not just about personality. It is about POLICY. What has Winston ever done that has advanced prosperity in New Zealand? Nothing and he never will. He enjoys power and the baubles of office. That is it. There is nothing more. And that will never change.
  
  How you could switch from ACT to Winston is baffling.
  
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  October 1, 2023 1:54pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Good comments about woke Wellington, especially in the Public Sector.
Wellington has become very Maorified, and you will be penalised if you don’t join the club/cult.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/so-so-proud-of-supporters-who-turned-out-for-wellington-march/
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October 1, 2023 10:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Boy there are some dropkicks in Wellywood.
  The racists are trying to stop racism. They were allowed to march up the street, but stop co-governance had to stick to the footpath. Why? Police would not clear the road lest they be labeled ‘racist?’
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KptOp2KBboo
  
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  October 1, 2023 10:24am
goNZ1

Chippy has thrown a sickie today and cancelled appearances. I wonder if the pressures getting to him?
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October 1, 2023 10:26am
- alex Masterley
  
  Putting out coup shaped fires perchance?
  
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  October 1, 2023 10:41am
- kevn
  
  goNZ… Lockjaw from the constant fake smile.
  
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  October 1, 2023 10:44am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Too many inside meetings.
  
  He needed to get out in the open more and not expose himself to those high CO2 levels.
  
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  October 1, 2023 11:12am
  - Damocles11
    
    Methane.
    
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    October 1, 2023 3:09pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Not only has Chippy thrown a sickie but he’s also courting the votes of the alphabet soup brigade. that’s got to cost him a couple of percent.
  
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  October 1, 2023 11:39am
  - kowtow
    
    On hdpa the political stand in for Soper said Hipkins is only campaigning in soft, safe ,friendly locations……..
    
    in fairness though , he’s a family man and all this must take a heavy toll , on any of them.
    
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    October 1, 2023 12:14pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Apparently Chippie’s got covid so we’ll be spared his desperate squawking for a week.
    
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    October 1, 2023 12:42pm
Maggie Pie

No wonder people are saying Sweden has fallen-apart…..

https://twitter.com/RadioGenoa/status/1707981910826205634

Same here of course!
Made us really cringe to see some of our cops mincing along Ponsonby Rd
among the ‘Rainbow Parade’ earlier in the year.
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October 1, 2023 10:33am
- NothingLeft
  
  Swedish women (and some men) consistently voted for the destruction of Sweden over a period of several decades. Wonder how many will try to emmigrate to escape the consequences of their choices.
  
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  October 1, 2023 11:10am
  - Taieri
    
    Wonder how many will try to emmigrate to escape the consequences of their choices.
    ———-
    
    Emigrate to where?
    
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    October 1, 2023 1:28pm
    - Matt Long
      
      Poland or Hungary
      
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      October 1, 2023 2:46pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Hmm. Makes the following headline problematic, MP.
  
  Sweden gangs: Army to help police after surge in killings
  
  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66964723
  
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  October 1, 2023 1:49pm
- kowtow
  
  The once proud and mighty Royal Navy being told to introduce themselves by pronoun nonsense .
  
  I suppose it makes a difference from the old ” ‘allo sailor”…..
  
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  October 1, 2023 5:01pm
Yvette

Monday night’s Newshub Reid Research poll had Labour down 0.3 points to 26.5 percent, which would only equate to 33 seats on election night, compared with the 65 it got at the last election.
The trend for Labour has been in a downward direction for months now and many of the seats it won at the 2020 election will inevitably flip back to National next month.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/labour-mps-save-themselves-in-face-of-bad-polling?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1696012515-1

I haven’t seen any journalist step out of line to comment on the implications of what about 33 seats against last election’s 65 means for the Maori Caucus aspirations, as they see gains they have made about to slip away.

And will a Labour loss, as a follow-on consequence, see Tuku Morgan disposed as head Maori advisor to the largest, unchanged 3 Waters Entity and loose his unbridled Mana o te Wai statements?

What might a desperate Maori Caucus do?
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October 1, 2023 10:33am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Half gone, half to go.
  
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  October 1, 2023 1:49pm
- Jethrod
  
  They might call up the favours owed from the Maori militia and do something stupid.
  
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  October 1, 2023 4:22pm
artemisia

“Homeowners of The Gardens in Manurewa say a social housing project will bring in crime from surrounding suburbs, ruining their “lifestyle”.”

Probably right. More gated communities on the way. Many will be over that $2mill mark.
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October 1, 2023 10:50am
- Che Guava
  
  Diversity is good only when someone else gets it. If things get too diverse, just live behind a wall. I suppose this must make them Trump supporters.
  
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  October 1, 2023 11:49am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

If Joe does not or can’t run, who will?
Michelle Obama has no political experience but there are shitloads of Democrats to guide her.
Kamala Harris is inflicted with word soup waffle.
The others are not in the race. One person who is not mentioned is a person with a vendetta. Hillary. Could she stand another loss to Donald Trump?

https://redrebelnews.com/who-could-appear-on-the-democratic-ticket-if-not-biden/
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October 1, 2023 10:56am
- All_on_Red
  
  Newsom
  Not sure Michelle wants to be President. She didnt like the lack of privacy during Barracks term and by many accounts is enjoying living her wealthy and privileged life.
  They get feted everywhere they go and do the whole superyachts with movie stars thing etc.
  Why would you give that up?
  
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  October 1, 2023 1:07pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She will go if asked. Barry has lost control of the swiss cheese brain guy, but he can pull Mike’s puppet strings.
    
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    October 1, 2023 4:24pm
Maggie Pie

First time I’ve ever heard Chippie actually making sense….

https://twitter.com/smoothie_nz/status/1706752409597624590
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October 1, 2023 11:39am
- kevn
  
  No need to lie if no one can understand/interpret what you are ‘saying’.
  An old biden trick.
  
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  October 1, 2023 11:44am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Hillary relevant again?
Dangerous woman.

https://rightwingarmy.com/uniondailypost/democrats-might-lose-in-2024-clinton-breaks-out-russian-interference-again/
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October 1, 2023 11:56am
Yvette

“If you had any understanding of the situation, it’s the people that care for them that are going to be the cost. That’s the figure … You’re not going to sit here like an amateur not knowing the facts. As a former treasurer, I do understand the subject.” – Winston Peters

A couple of decades ago, a real journalist or good interviewer used to facilitate informing viewers by asking questions they might want answers to.

This seems for a while to have been frustrated by the government distributing 55 million dollars, with a gateway clause of up-lifting a revised version of the Treaty of Waitangi.

But in Winston’s playbook, instead of funding and the subsequent promotion of the treaty, what constitutes a successful interview is one where he wins by beating the shirt out of the interview facilitator.

In both cases you can learn something about the playbook employed, but little or nothing about any information that the interview was for.
So, apart from confirming your views of the participants, it is all a fucking waste of time
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October 1, 2023 12:22pm
kevn

Safe (not) and effective (not)…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/election-2023-chris-hipkins-sidelined-by-illness-on-a-critical-campaign-day/PUCSMNLBBJCLLOWDSXAVQBLK6M/
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October 1, 2023 12:49pm
- cmm
  
  Terrible luck. 95% effective and the ginger wing nut ends up in the 5%.
  
  Mods, a reminder I am also a ginger wing nut soI am allowed to say that.
  
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  October 1, 2023 1:03pm
- Gravelroad
  
  So how will this be spun as a win for Labour by the left wing msm and Labour Party politburo?
  I have no doubt they will give it a go.
  Snap lock down perhaps.
  
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  October 1, 2023 1:24pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Could this be the signal for David Parker to launch HIS takeover bid?
  
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  October 1, 2023 1:45pm
Right of way is Way of Right

Chippy has Covid.

Oh the irony.
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October 1, 2023 12:49pm
- Ghost
  
  Or, Covid has chippy?
  
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  October 1, 2023 1:06pm
BeaB

Remember how we laughed and marvelled at the besotted fans of Jacinda Ardern. The whole press gallery was in thrall. Even our intrepid cartoonists could find nothing to lampoon her for.
Yet here we are, with voters who should be entirely focused on turfing out this incompetent Labour government falling in love all over again with Winston First. His lovely smile, his humour, his quick wit, his abrasiveness with the media – yes he’s a great performer but he should never ever be allowed anywhere near government again.
Why do Kiwis get infatuated with charlatans like Ardern and Peters? It baffles me.
Go for the slightly boring, reasonably competent, anti-Labour choice. There’s lots of ways to ride your hobby horses once we have kicked Labour out but it will be the NZ First fan boys and girls who will let them squeak back in.
With a much more powerful Greens voice.
Nightmare!
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October 1, 2023 12:53pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Why do Kiwis get infatuated with charlatans like Ardern and Peters?”
  
  Why do people use homeopathy?
  
  Why do folk with terminal cancer go to Mexico for alternative treatments which are useless?
  
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  October 1, 2023 1:43pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Naievity, idiocy and desperation, respectively
    
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    October 1, 2023 1:51pm
    - kowtow
      
      Is it not the case that half of the population has a less than average IQ.
      
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      October 1, 2023 2:05pm
  - mawm
    
    Hope.
    
    With homeopathy or cancer it is hope for a cure. With politics it is probably hope that the politicians will address the issue(s) that affect them the most or hope that our country will change its course and return to the ideals of a liberal Western democracy where individual sovereignty and bodily autonomy are sacred.
    
    Unfortunately I cannot see any one of the motley crew offering it.
    
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    October 1, 2023 3:01pm
  - Sparrow
    
    Hope.
    
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    October 1, 2023 4:30pm
- Steve Todd
  
  @BeaB @ 12:53PM
  
  It has been said: “The People are never wrong.”
  
  Should your nightmare eventuate, BeaB, you can relax, in the full knowledge that your “betters” have spoken.
  
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  October 1, 2023 2:51pm
Biscuit

NOTICE

The dedicated team of doctors and nurses tending to Biscuit after the sad defeats suffered overnight/yesterday by Wellington’s Rugby team and Liverpool’s EPL side advise that Biscuit is resting comfortably.

Being a magnanimous sort of soul, Biscuit has indicated that his congratulations should be offered to pdm and any other Hawkes Bay supporters out there.

Re that referee who doled out 2 red cards and 6 yellow cards to Biscuit’s sainted round ball mob, and who denied Liverpool a goal that even the Referees Association agree should have stood, Biscuit has snarled that he hopes said referee’s parents DO eventually get married.

Feel free to forward cakes (note the plural!), chocolates, fresh fruits (but not seeded grapes) and even cold hard folding stuff to aid Biscuit’s recovery…
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October 1, 2023 1:03pm
- Prince
  
  I feel your pain Biscuit. Proves yet again when your first five (fly half to some) is out of sorts, you’re in trouble.
  That last missed (atraightforward) conversion 5 minutes from time was crucial.
  
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  October 1, 2023 3:28pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Third party references. You are not Dime are you?
  
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  October 1, 2023 4:55pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Whoops!
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/provincial/300980833/ranfurly-shield-badly-damaged-after-hawkes-bay-win
  
  No truth to the rumour that a trail of crumbs was found leading away from the scene.
  
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  October 1, 2023 7:43pm
Maggie Pie

Just saw Lydia Ko interviewed on CNBC.
Don’t know if anyone else has picked up on it, but looks to me
like she has let herself go a bit since getting married 🙁

Just saying.
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October 1, 2023 1:15pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  She’s certainly forgotten how to string more than one round together.
  
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  October 1, 2023 1:42pm
- Littletramp
  
  Lydia has earned it. A lesson in how to handle fame when it comes at a young age – pure class.
  
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  October 1, 2023 2:39pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YIP…. you’re probably right actually.
    And as my partner’s mum pointed out, it’s more of a ‘genetic thing’. Chinese women often appear to age a lot quicker than their Euro counterparts.
    
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    October 1, 2023 3:20pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Lydia is Korean. Her Father was a customer in the job I worked at.
      
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      October 1, 2023 5:05pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      She’s not Chinese, she’s Korean.
      
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      October 1, 2023 5:06pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        No need to split hairs Cap.
        
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        October 1, 2023 5:14pm
Benedict Yu

I just checked out the excess deaths data for New Zealand for 2023 to 30 September.

2805 excess deaths, of which 952 are recorded as COVID deaths.

https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676

The good news is that the excess deaths seem to be declining. The last 5 weeks, excess deaths have been trending at about 9 percent above the long term average. Earlier in the year excess deaths were over 20 percent, even 30 percent one week.

Still that is nearly 2,000 excess deaths in 2023 that are not recorded as “COVID deaths” and literally nobody wants to acknowledge them, let alone explore possible causes.

It took me 15 minutes to do this analysis. You would think that ACT had a staffer who could use excel and tell David Seymour.
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October 1, 2023 1:27pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Benedict, when the definition of dying with Covid is nonsensical then by definition any analysis of those numbers is meaningless.
  
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  October 1, 2023 1:53pm
- NothingLeft
  
  It’s crying out for some in-depth epidemiological study, tracking cause of deaths against age and ideally vax status. NZ provided a remarkable laboratory in 2020 and 2021 with no respiratory viruses or covid in circulation, but full vaccination program through Q2-Q3 ’21 – and +2000 excess deaths in ’21 compared to ’20.
  
  Covid is killing sick people who used to die of other respiratory illnesses, mostly just shifted from ‘flu’ column to ‘covid’, I doubt it is increasing overall deaths much.
  
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  October 1, 2023 1:58pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It is called fear porn. My ex-wife’s sister died in a rest home from Covid.
    The fact that she had very invasive cancer for the last 10 years did not matter.
    Disgusting to use her death as a Covid death.
    
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    October 1, 2023 5:11pm
- Dougal10
  
  The facts maybe about to come out , I see Hipkins is doing a Biden and going to hide in his basement away from media for 5 days. Whats the bet this will allow his MPs to go rogue for a few days and say random shit that he will pretend to clean up next week.
  
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  October 1, 2023 2:57pm
  - MCōs
    
    Nobody is isolated
    I haven’t been out of the house since Tuesday, yet I keep in regular contact with all sorts of people
    
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    October 1, 2023 5:15pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Um, you can get Covid more than once!
    Oma rapeti, oma rapeti, oma oma oma.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX85gFIG9XA
    
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    October 1, 2023 5:22pm
kevn

BY… So, the ‘problem’ is dying out?
Just those pesky adverse reactions sticking though.
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October 1, 2023 1:35pm
Chuck Bird

FYI

Professor William Happer on integrity in climate science on Sky News Australia – 17 September 2023

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQyvUJ1k9_M
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October 1, 2023 1:50pm
Inandout

I presume those who existed in this year and following didn’t have solar panels.
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2018/05/02/long-winter/
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October 1, 2023 1:58pm
Inandout

The other Chris was also a Covid basement dweller.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/chris-cuomo-airs-dramatic-and-dramatized-basement-exit.html
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October 1, 2023 2:11pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Finally Labour wakes up to the fact that Maths and Literacy teaching in NZ has been abysmal for many pupils.

A bit too late for the pupils who are sitting exams this year…..

and remember all the BULLSHIT parents were fed about how Teachers would be able to teach via zoom/internet during Lockdowns and Covid stay-at-homes?

Learning has been disrupted over the past three years so it’s important we provide extra catch-up support to students who need it. Equally, we want to make sure that what’s being taught in maths and literacy is consistent

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/10/election-2023-labour-announces-free-tutoring-sessions-for-intermediate-secondary-school-students-to-lift-maths-literacy-achievement.html

Seems it didn’t work too well for some…..
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October 1, 2023 2:50pm
- rouppe
  
  Equally, we want to make sure that what’s being taught in maths and literacy is consistent
  
  Isn’t that exactly the same as National proposed? And opposite to Labours view that “children learn differently”? And “student led inquiry”? That was a big Labour/ teacher union initiative
  
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  October 1, 2023 3:11pm
- Swifty
  
  I no longer believe a word they say.
  
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  October 1, 2023 3:58pm
Chris Nisbet

It wasn’t that long ago that if even a single person got Covid we’d shut the whole country down for months and then vote a pack of socialists in to look after us for a few years.
Maybe Hipkins is hoping we’ll repeat the second of those mistakes.
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October 1, 2023 2:57pm
- kevn
  
  Lock hipkins down for a few months.
  
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  October 1, 2023 6:18pm
EverlastingFire

I find it funny how during Ardern’s last year the media were constantly talking about Hipkins being “Labour’s Mr fix it”. What a joke that turned out to be.
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October 1, 2023 2:58pm
- bjools
  
  Not so much as”in it for you”
  More like “in shit because of us”
  
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  October 1, 2023 9:42pm
Ghost

Is our education system so fucked this is an announcement they are proud of making.

Labour has announced its plan to lift maths and literacy achievement by offering two million free tutoring sessions to intermediate and secondary school students. Labour made the announcement on the same day party leader Chris Hipkins tested positive for COVID-19.
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October 1, 2023 3:19pm
- Swifty
  
  Notice they never promise outcomes – only inputs.
  
  They’ve had their chance and blown it.
  
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  October 1, 2023 3:56pm
  - kowtow
    
    Why don’t they just get the fricken teachers to do what they’re so well paid to do , teach .
    
    It can’t be rocket science , it’s what they used to do not terribly long ago.
    
    What’s changed.
    
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    October 1, 2023 5:06pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Whats changed?
      Sitting at home and getting paid during Covid has changed it.
      
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      October 1, 2023 7:21pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Many of the teachers can’t teach sums and don’t know how to teach children to read and write well.
      
      That’s why Labour has finally realised that many Primary and Intermediate teachers need to be trained (again!!!!!!!) to teach maths, reading and writing.
      
      Today we are announcing a maths and literacy training fund to ensure all teachers get the necessary training and guidance; and so we can lift the overall quality of maths and literacy teaching,” Tinetti said.
      
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/10/election-2023-labour-announces-free-tutoring-sessions-for-intermediate-secondary-school-students-to-lift-maths-literacy-achievement.html
      
      It makes you wonder what these teachers have been doing for the last X years.
      
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      October 1, 2023 7:59pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Chippie’s legacy from 5 years as Minister of Education. Worst education decline in NZ in a century at least
  
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  October 1, 2023 5:58pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

So Hiplins has Covid. Really? He tested positive. Who tested?
How very convieniant, two weeks before an Election – and the heat is on.
Having Covid is just running away, and he knows this. I am 71 and I have had Covid. I have had way worse influenza!
Yeah yeah, effects different people different ways especially those with underlying medical conditions they don’t know about.
Be nice to see Hipkins appointments for this week, and who he may be dodging!

Simple repair. There is this thing called video conferencing.
Online is everywhere (Tina from Turners!) You can’t spread Covid over the internet thingy.
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October 1, 2023 3:25pm
- rockape
  
  Covid is another spelling of stress ! I bet he used the” mummy I have a sore tummy” excuse when he was a schoolboy.
  
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  October 1, 2023 4:48pm
- MCōs
  
  You may have had flu worse than covid.
  Well, lucky you.
  Some people I talked to hardly knew they had it.
  Others were crook as a dog.
  
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  October 1, 2023 5:05pm
  - kevn
    
    I had a nasty dose of… flu. About 10 years ago.
    
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    October 1, 2023 6:19pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

First 100 days for National.
No mention of Co-Governance.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/what-national-will-target-in-first-100-days-of-govt-if-elected/ar-AA1hv6Uz
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October 1, 2023 3:35pm
- rockape
  
  Getting rid of three waters is a start.
  
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  October 1, 2023 4:47pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    3 waters is part of co-governance.
    
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    October 2, 2023 8:00am
- Warren
  
  We should be all texting Chris Luxon asking him to make a law on finance , making sure that what Jacinda Ardern did in making a fund for the media to encourage them to give Labour more media time and fair stories than the opposition is never allowed again .
  The media profited while Labour was the Government but already we are seeing them struggling to finance themselves with advertising and have already had meetings with the Minister Willie Jackson for help.
  National need to push a law through making it impossible for any Government to inact this policy again
  Labour were dishonest and corrupt in using the Media for political gain.
  
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  October 1, 2023 5:44pm
  - Ghost
    
    Labour can change anything national pass, so it would be a waste of time and money.
    
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    October 1, 2023 5:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Oh! Something from a person who thinks they are important.
“I am angry that I and many other students like me pay a higher proportion of our pay to tax and are barely getting by while New Zealand has become a tax haven for the wealthiest. A wealth tax reinstates fairness.”
Where does your pay come from sunshine? Other than the bullshit media you spread?
They/them = fuck off.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/shaneel-lal-election-2023-we-need-a-radical-shift-in-our-tax-system/ar-AA1huIVS
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October 1, 2023 3:49pm
- Swifty
  
  The ravings of an extremist lunatic.
  
  Everything is black and white to him – when he matures he will start seeing the grey in everything.
  
  Hopefully.
  
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  October 1, 2023 3:55pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Have to have a brain for that. Zealots are mostly unfixable.
    
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    October 1, 2023 6:00pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  The meaning of the word “pay”:
  
  “to give money to someone for something you want to buy or for services provided”.
  
  Students don’t get “pay”, they get an allowance, usually as a loan with zero interest, to assist them with school fees, living costs, etc.
  
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  October 1, 2023 6:49pm
Maggie Pie

Kaianga Ora has 185,000 state tenants.
Only seven (7) have had their tenancies terminated under S55 of The-Residential-Tenancy-Act since Febuary 2022.

Well, at least we know now what it takes to trigger a termination……

https://twitter.com/NewstalkZB/status/1708300700659397043

SHEEEESH!!
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October 1, 2023 4:12pm
- bjools
  
  Has me thinking
  If this is as they say, the fifth flat he has been kicked out of…..who were the other 2?
  
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  October 1, 2023 9:40pm
slightlyrighty

Just watching the Q&A interview of Winston by Jack Tame.

Train Wreck is a polite term for that…

Total Clusterf*#k is more accurate.

God knows why Chippie thinks this doddery old fool will run rings around Luxon when he can’t even handle Jack Tame!
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October 1, 2023 4:37pm
- Steve Todd
  
  God knows why Chippie thinks this doddery old fool will run rings around Luxon when he can’t even handle Jack Tame!
  
  What on earth are you on about. The prime minister has never said that. Both he and Peters have both ruled each other out, for goodness’ sake.
  
  The interview this morning was indeed an utter trainwreck (see PeeJay at 10:32AM, above, and SmokerGuy at 5:04PM, below), as indeed every interview with Peters over the last 40+ years has been.
  
  As I said at GD three weeks ago (Sun 10 Sep 23, at 3:18PM, in response to PeeJay), Jack Tame has been on fire, all year, regardless of which politician he was interviewing. This morning, a totally unprepared Peters came up against an interviewer on top of his game, and was found utterly wanting. He blew it.
  
  If NZ First gets 5%+ after that shocking performance, then we truly are in for a rough ride over the next three years.
  
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  October 1, 2023 5:56pm
goNZ1

Luxon will be shaking in his boots, as Labour wheels out the cool Kelvin Davis and charismatic Carmel Sepuloni to front for Chippy!
This could be Parkers chance to reannounce a wealth tax or Willie Jackson compulsory Maori Wonderfulness curricula?
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October 1, 2023 4:39pm
Over Taxed Worker

A question the media should ask – did Hipkins have his COVID-19 booster shot? If not why not! Maybe he should lock himself in a hotel for 2 weeks.
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October 1, 2023 4:55pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Bwahhaha – a sad Jessica Mutch Mackay on Ti News this evening claiming that Hipkins has “flu and cold symptoms.”
  Disingenuous Mutch.
  Not allowed to say Covid 19 now?
  What would Jacinda, pink hair lady and Sir Bloomfield make of that?
  
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  October 1, 2023 6:22pm
SmokerGuy

I’m definitely no fan of Jack Tame but anyone who wants a National led government (myself included) should be very concerned with the way Peters interviewed on Q and A this morning. It was an appalling performance, he was unable to give any information about his own policies and just spent the entire time acting extremely unprofessional. Sure Jack Tame was much more aggressive compared to his fluff piece interview with Shaw but that’s no excuse to act the way Peters did. Part of being a politician is dealing with media, suck it up FFS! How the hell can anyone vote for NZ First and think they will improve New Zealand?
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October 1, 2023 5:04pm
gorse

Headline in Stuff that Ardern is out with the Clooneys in NY.

Who gives a toss.
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October 1, 2023 5:51pm
- kevn
  
  gorse… In the same very large room/locality more like it. Trying to bask.
  
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  October 1, 2023 7:03pm
Surely Knott

The unsolved hate crimes of NZ’s left.

1. Unsolved: Steph Lewis, the MP for Whanganui,
“, my office is on the ground floor of the complex and last week protesters took objects and walked around the buildings banged on our windows to intimidate MPs and staff. “They called at us ‘come out come out wherever you are or we will come in and find you’. We were threatened with being lynched, hung, or kidnapped.”
Outcome: Nothing. No one arrested. No parliamentary cctv footage. No one named.

2. Unsolved. Jack Brazil Former Green Candidate. Shot. And then the police cordoned off and raided Jack’s own cafe? Who shot Jack.

Outcome: No description of the offender or who was in the car with him has been released. No description of what was found in the raid. The shooter has not been found.

3. Unsolved Shaneel Lal burglary suspected hate crime.
Outcome: Shaneel said the police had not taken it seriously.

4. Unsolved – Death Threats against Efeso Collins. Text message threatening death to Efeso sent to Green party HQ.
““Police got in contact and told me threats were made against me,” Collins told the New Zealand Herald.
“The detective said the threat was along the lines of they want to execute me. I never had official copy of the threat. The detective was also shocked by the gist of the threat.”
Outcome: Copy of the text not made public. Even Efeso hasn’t seen the text.. Offender not found.

5. Unsolved – Hana Rawhiti Maipi Clarke. Home ram raided, people came in and threatened her, burgled repeatedly, letter left.

Outcome: No description of offenders. No letter published. No description of the car.
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October 1, 2023 5:53pm
Swifty

The Luigi and Jack Tame interview from yesterday:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UfWee75MBJ8&pp=ygUMdHZueiBxIGFuZCBh

Quite entertaining.
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October 1, 2023 7:26pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Winston is a puckered arsehole with an itchy yeast infection. NZ does not need him on the political landscape again.
  
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  October 2, 2023 12:45am
fernglas

So Hipkins has had to isolate because of Covid, and this may affect his campaigning. I have two observations:
1) If he indeed he has Covid, then it’s his own party’s policies that have required him to isolate. Hoist, petard etc.
2) It’s also a very convenient way to dodge reponsibility for the forthcoming kicking his party will get, and maybe muster up a bit of a sympathy vote.

Either way, tough shit.
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October 1, 2023 7:43pm
Swifty

If you ever wished to understand why Meng Foon is by a large margin our worst ever Race Relations Commissioner then you need to look no further than his contribution to this Free Speech Union debate:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wNbwgY52C9g

Incoherent. Abysmal. Spouts drivel hoping but failing to make any points.

So much for Angry Andy’s ‘excellent choice’.

Just embarrassing.
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October 1, 2023 8:17pm
Swifty

Willie Jackson accuses Winston of sins that Willie is guilty of 1,000 times:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/insult-to-the-nation-broadcasting-minister-slams-winston-peters-after-trainwreck-interview/U34VYBFV6JFRXPVD3MQWYGKUGM/

A total and unvarnished hypocrite and one hopefully gone in a couple of weeks.
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October 1, 2023 8:21pm
- Ghost
  
  Strange. Tame had an obligation to ask Winston the tough questions, why? Why does he not have the same obligation to ask labour the tough questions instead of soft questions more than likely written by labour?
  
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  October 1, 2023 8:25pm
- Dougal10
  
  Jackson has played completely into Winston’s gloves on this one. The rat cunning pollie set the trap and now has an open season on nailing Jackson for the next week.
  
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