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krazykiwi

Winston is an issue vote aggregator. Cunning as a shithouse rat, he sniffs out theme adjacent issues that some NZers feel passionately about but which are ignored by the main parties.

To be clear, he has zero, nil, nada interest in these issues, or in their resolution. Anyone who thinks he does is either very new to New Zealand politics, or is weapons grade naive. His track record on issue vote aggregation and subsequent abandonment of the sorry saps who gave him their vote is a matter of public record. It is for this pattern of behaviour that I utterly despise the man.

However it is possible to both despise someone while also admiring their strategic brilliance. In Winston’s case that brilliance is something other politicians could benefit from.

How?

Well in his triennial drive to secure a bauble-augmented, warm place to sleep in the afternoons, Winston jumps early onto theme adjacent issues of importance to an increasing numbers of voters. These are usually issues that mainstream political leaders are at worst ignorant of, or at best aware of but foolishly feel are outside the Overton window. In a sense, Winston’s focus should be an early warning system for them. First it whispers “Pssst. There’s something over here you might not want to ignore”, and later it screams “Wake up you beltway Neanderthal! Don’t ignore this issue. Winston has picked it and it’s gathering voters and pace”.

Winston polling at greater that 5% should be a sign that the issues he’s championing are now well inside the Overton window and other parties are foolishly ceding territory. I would have thought this was obvious to Luxon, Seymour and their advisors, but apparently not.

Footnote: I drafted this post yesterday. Later in the day ACT published a policy position that suggests Seymour could be hearing the Winston-powered early warning signal.
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September 30, 2023 8:00am
- wazza2222
  
  Astute
  
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  September 30, 2023 8:03am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Has any MP ever been elected to and lost more than three seats?
  
  If not, step forward NZ’s Biggest Loser – Winston Raymond Peters!
  
  (Hunua, Tauranga, Northland)
  
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  September 30, 2023 8:16am
  - cmm
    
    It depends on how you define winning and losing.
    Winnie has kept his nose in the trough for 13 terms, looking like a 14th.
    He has played both Labour and National like a fiddle.
    He has only ever been interested in serving number 1.
    Based on that he has clearly been a winner.
    
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    September 30, 2023 2:23pm
    - Ghost
      
      One of the best politicians New Zealand has had, and I don’t mean that in any way other than he knows how to play the game better than any.
      
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      September 30, 2023 2:27pm
- Matt Long
  
  The intelligent opposition politician sniffs out issues that give a wedge into the next election without playing all his cards.
  Those with no radar follow the mainstream line or suck up to what is currently popular, forgetting that fads change.
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  September 30, 2023 8:26am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Winston is the man who wants to eliminate Maori seats, despite NZ First once holding all of them…….
  
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  September 30, 2023 8:34am
  - kevn
    
    slight… ‘wants’ = Cheap talk.
    
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    September 30, 2023 9:48am
  - Hollyfield
    
    At the same time that NZ First held all the Maori seats they also held the Greypower vote. What did NZ First stand for that both those two groups supported? Or is it more likely that Winston was telling each group what they wanted to hear, even though those two groups would have diametrically opposite views? For those who think Winston will keep National (and Act) honest, it is far more likely he will run true to form and do the complete opposite of what he is saying.
    
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    September 30, 2023 9:54am
    - Flossie
      
      From what I’m hearing in our village (retired persons) he may well still have the greypower vote!
      
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      September 30, 2023 12:00pm
  - Littletramp
    
    There are many people who want to eliminate the maori seats.
    Well past their used by date.
    
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    September 30, 2023 10:27am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      And what have they done about it?
      
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      September 30, 2023 12:17pm
      - Damocles11
        
        And what has Winston done about it?
        
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        September 30, 2023 1:12pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    And you believe him? He promised to abolish Māori seats in 2017 he gifted the election to Ardern after his hatred of English, snd the very first thing he said after saying capitalism is broken was guarantee the Māori seats would stay, a total lying waster he is
    
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    September 30, 2023 12:17pm
    - smartin
      
      There’s give and take in any coalition negotiations. You can’t have everything you want and pragmatists understand this. The Act purists will realise this if/when they make it inside cabinet.
      
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      September 30, 2023 8:45pm
- 2ic
  
  @krazykiwi
  Your dislike of Winston Peters is understandable and shared by many on this blog. I’ve certainly never considered voting NZ First before.
  
  However, in this instance Winston Peters is backing up his rhetoric with the actual candidates that are standing for NZ First. I’ve been listening to the interviews on Reality Check Radio and like what I hear from the likes of Casey Costello, Lee Donoghue, Kirsten Murfitt and Erika Harvey.
  
  NZ First are a solid 5-6% now, which brings Casey Costello into parliament, which will be a good thing for the country. I suspect the NZ First vote will be even stronger in the final count, possibly bringing one or two more of those I’ve mentioned in.
  
  This is the reason I’m likely to be voting NZ First. I don’t necessarily trust Winston Peters, but I’m certainly not giving my vote to any party who stood by and allowed what’s happened in this country over the last 3 years.
  
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  September 30, 2023 9:10am
  - Damocles11
    
    NZ First certainly didn’t ‘stand by’, in 2017 it enabled the Labour Party to take power with its powerful Maori caucus & by taking power in 2017 Labour and its cunning leader JA were able to profit from a series of one off and unique events to garner immense popular support in 2020.
    
    NZ First and Winstons pursuit of the biggest possible pile of baubles, plus his desire for ‘Utu’, were the single biggest factor in the reshaping of New Zealand from 2017 onwards. National has had to ‘stand by’, of course they have, because Winston broke the convention on going with the party who garnered the most votes. Sir Bill English had the strategy to make a difference on issues like poverty, but Winston cruelly and unjustly turned him into a ‘loser’ when on election night he was winning plaudits for National’s vote being in the 40’s.
    
    The Winston fans make all sorts of excuses for Winston, claiming he was duped by Ardern and Labour. These excuses just do not stand up to scrutiny. We are told that Winston is wily and ‘experienced’ and has nous and common sense….but also that he was fooled by Ardern and the maori caucus and was left in the dark and unaware. So apparently they were running rings around him. Sorry, Winston can’t be both things. I think he knew exactly what was going on, moreover – he was the deputy PM and was in it up to his eyeballs. It is simply a matter of necessity that he has to distance himself from Labour and the awful mess he has created by his terrible decision in 2017.
    
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    September 30, 2023 9:41am
    - RoboRob
      
      Well said. I would also add that talking about the ‘quality’ of nzf candidates is just ludicrous. Ffs, Shayne Jones is #2 and they also have Paul Eagle high on the list. Both of which are ex labour, in eagles case ‘tribal labour ‘. Are we seriously believing that nzf wouldn’t go with labour and that failed labour candidates are suddenly quality when they are in nzf?
      
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      September 30, 2023 10:24am
      - Ghost
        
        Huh? Paul Eagle is not standing for nz first.
        
        Vote Nz
        
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        September 30, 2023 10:33am
      - slightlyrighty
        
        I think you’re thinking of Andy Foster…
        
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        September 30, 2023 10:53am
      - Paulus
        
        Shane hopes only to get in to get another $3 billion slush fund to play with his North pals.
        He does not have to account for any of it either, as before.
        Otherwise any other bauble will do !
        
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        September 30, 2023 10:59am
      - RoboRob
        
        Lol, yeah is was thinking of Andy Foster!!
        
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        September 30, 2023 11:03am
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        If it were the Wild West, Winston would not be a politician but a very wealthy snake oil salesman.
        
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        September 30, 2023 1:27pm
    - 2ic
      
      @Damocles11
      I could launch into a similar tirade against Luxon and Seymour – things I’ve found completely reprehensible about their conduct over this last parliamentary term. But I don’t don’t have the time or inclination to get bogged down in a tit for tat, so I’ll just summarise with this.
      
      The phrase ‘swallow a dead rat’ has been used a lot on this blog in recent times in regards to voting decisions. None of our choices are perfect, and I think most on this blog, if they are honest with themselves, will admit to having to ‘swallow a dead rat’ when it comes to their vote.
      
      Pick your poison, as they say.
      
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      September 30, 2023 11:14am
      - Damocles11
        
        A tirade about what? How Seymour went with Ardern in 2017 causing all this co-governance madness to erupt? You’ve got nothing on Seymour or Luxon that compares to what Winston has done.
        
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        September 30, 2023 11:47am
      - 2ic
        
        Well here’s a couple reason I will never vote for Seymour again:
        
        https://ondemand.parliament.nz/parliament-tv-on-demand/?itemId=220392
        “We are going to have to consider what sort of rights people have to stipulate vaccination – not that another person must be vaccinated unconditionally – but that they will only transact with a person if that person is vaccinated”
        
        His “no one cares about you, mate” performance:
        https://twitter.com/COUNTERSPIN111/status/1657608146968547328?s=20
        
        And I voted for Act in 2020!
        
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        September 30, 2023 12:42pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        Vote for parities and policies, not personalities. But if you insist on being captivated by a politician’s words, WTH has Peters ever achieved in 30 years that has benefited NZ and not himself?
        
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        September 30, 2023 2:15pm
      - Terry Dalee
        
        So you would rather burn NZ democracy because of a dislike of personality and vote for someone that has multiple times in Parliament yet time and time again has proven it is Winston First and nothing else.
        Anything else is a byproduct of chance with Winston, “the handbrake” on Labour etc. Its always secondary to Winston First.
        
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        September 30, 2023 2:47pm
      - Ghost
        
        Democracy is a wonderful thing, it is why people should support people’s right to vote for who they best believe their vote should go for.
        
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        September 30, 2023 3:02pm
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Winston Peters of the Russian Free Trade deal desire fame and of Capitalism has Failed fame..
      
      Winston Peters of interesting party funding arrangements
      
      Winston Peters of Equine fancying and Fishing Industry toadying
      
      Winston Peters – in it for Winston
      
      Winston is a slick talker – should have been a Used Car Salesman down some dodgy Mt Wellington side street. Constantly changing trading name and premises to stay one step ahead of disgruntled customers, always knowing there is a sucker born every minute so he can continue his dealings…
      
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      September 30, 2023 11:14am
      - Damocles11
        
        Righto, so you can’t be voting for Winston either then, right?
        
        Winston Peters said “No jab, no dole, no parole.”
        
        He was also a massive fan of getting everyone vaccinated –
        
        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/08/coronavirus-winston-peters-slams-government-over-inexcusably-slow-vaccine-rollout.html
        
        The New Zealand First leader says he’s worried about the country’s low vaccination rates and fears a lack of action could spell bad news.
        
        “New Zealand First is concerned at the inexcusably slow COVID vaccine rollout and predicting a chilling result for public health and a lockdown of our economy,” Peters says in a release.
        
        “New Zealand suffers from the worst vaccine rollout performance in the first world. Just as bad is the low vaccination rates for Māori and Pasifika despite Government saying these populations are the most vulnerable.”‘
        
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        September 30, 2023 12:56pm
      - kevn
        
        2ic… But, but. The worm has turned.
        https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/general-elections/covid-royal-commission-public-to-set-terms-of-reference-act/
        
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        September 30, 2023 1:32pm
      - 2ic
        
        @kevn
        Isn’t Seymour leaving it a little late to start listening to people? Smacks of a desperate response to NZ First’s rise and Act’s falling poll numbers coming out with this 3 days out from the start of voting.
        
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        September 30, 2023 1:47pm
      - Damocles11
        
        Worried that ACT may now take some votes off Winston 2ic?
        ‘Desperation’ is a matter of perspective….some people could be accused of being desperate to get back into Parliament, and desperate to have people ignore things that happened between 2017 and 2020.
        
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        September 30, 2023 2:36pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Dam,
      
      For the record, in 45 years, I have never voted NZF, and I voted ACT party vote from the outset. I despised NZF.
      
      However we have to let the past go. 2017 was pre-WW3/Vaccine holocaust.
      
      The realty is everyone was duped by Ardern. She probably gave Winston a political knee-trembler by telling him everything he wanted to hear. just as she told the country what they wanted to hear.
      
      Trees, houses, child poverty, zero carbon, etc, etc – she never intended to achieve any of those things, they were just smoke screens under which to form projects / talking groups to siphon money to buy votes, bribe people and line the pockets of mates.
      
      Re-read what 2ic said above.
      
      2017 was pre-WW3/Vaccine holocaust.
      
      [1] up to 15% of those vaccinated have side effects.
      
      [2] The excess deaths since the vaccines started is at 10,000. Covid, was a flu and no-one died that would not have died from the flu or resp. diseases that kill 3000 ppl per year.
      
      Specific all cause mortality stats that used to be on figure.nz have been removed in recent times, and before that no stats were updated beyond 2018.
      
      On ourworldindata website, NZ has no flu stats over the pandemic, as they were not being recorded.
      
      [3] Vaccine injuries will be 20x the 10,000 excess death figures. When you talk to GPs that tell you that he or she had hundreds of patients with heart issues post vaccine, you know the impact is huge.
      
      [4] When you have friends / relatives that had heart issues / health issues post vaccine and were told specifically, off the record, by their specialist, that their issues were caused by the vaccine, it is a wake up call.
      
      [5] The bulk of my close friends , colleagues are either unvaccinated or stopped at 1 or 2 jabs. I am not a party goer, not on facebook, or social media platforms except blogs, so don’t consider myself having an extended circle of ‘friends’.
      
      Yet I know several dozen people – people I know personally, who have vaccine injuries. I’ve had two doctors tell me that the vaccine injuries are as high as 15%. At least 15% of the people I know that got vaccinated had significant side effects, injuries or died.
      
      Most doctors do not talk about it because of fear of retribution, and they do not know who to trust.
      
      Most people with side effects / injuries do not talk about it, they either do not know who to trust or the penny has not dropped as to their health condition.
      
      Ardern told us not to talk to out neighbours and that is still happening. People are not talking about the elephant in the room.
      
      The Rat test is a Ratfink test. It is not testing for Covid – it tests for the flu. Medsafe never tested the RAT tests, and they do not have a full extracted genetic sample of Covid to test it with.
      
      And they never tested the hundreds of other viral / bacterial compounds that are capable of false positives.
      
      They are all blind mice. A disgrace to the test and measurement community.
      
      2017 was pre-WW3/Vaccine holocaust.
      
      Winston has woken up. He knows about the carnage. Luxon and Seymour also know about the carnage. Both are living in hope of maybe one day being able to broach the subject.
      
      Luxon, has put WEF / Gates on a pedestal, however Seymour is less comfortable with being told what to do. Just as the more astute of people knew that Arden’s demeanor/body language confirmed she took a saline shot vaccine on TV, and the more astute of ACT voters also realise that Seymour’s demeanor/body language indicate that he is under pressure. He has been bought.
      
      2017 was pre-WW3/Vaccine holocaust. You should not be judging Winston now on how he was in 2017. We all get conned by Ardern. Winston included. If no-one was conned by Ardern, they would not have won the 2017 or 2020 elections, because their polling should have been what it is today.
      
      2017 was pre-WW3/Vaccine holocaust.
      
      You have to allow people to change.
      
      Down-tick me if you like. In Jan 2020, I posted on here that Labour was going to run a very dirty 2020 election, and most KBers down-ticked me. And did they run a very dirty election?
      
      I will party vote Winston (99% sure), as NZF is the only party capable of getting over 5% that is calling a spade a spade.
      
      It is not just Winston, as NZF brings Casey Costello, Lee Donoghue, Kirsten Murfitt and Erika Harvey.
      
      Anyone who is minimising the 10,000 dead, has either done no real research or has lost their humanity. Which means that they are still drinking the “Ardern Saved Us”, “The Pandemic was real”, “The vaccines were safe and effective”, etc Koolaid.
      
      Who among KB readers are still addicted to Koolaid?
      
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      September 30, 2023 11:19am
      - Damocles11
        
        I seriously question your reasoning:
        
        ‘they are still drinking the “Ardern Saved Us”, “The Pandemic was real”, “The vaccines were safe and effective”, etc Koolaid.’
        
        —
        
        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/08/coronavirus-winston-peters-slams-government-over-inexcusably-slow-vaccine-rollout.html
        
        Winston Peters has blasted the Government’s “inexcusably slow” COVID-19 vaccine rollout
        
        “New Zealand First is concerned at the inexcusably slow COVID vaccine rollout and predicting a chilling result for public health and a lockdown of our economy,” Peters says in a release.
        
        “New Zealand suffers from the worst vaccine rollout performance in the first world. Just as bad is the low vaccination rates for Māori and Pasifika despite Government saying these populations are the most vulnerable.”
        
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        September 30, 2023 12:59pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Damocles11
        
        Things change, time changes, people change. You have to allow people to change. As more information becomes available we see things differently. If we change, should we not accept that others change as well?
        
        Should condemn Winston because Ardern had lacked up the country and media so tight that people, including Winston took the approach?
        
        Part of navigating life is to deal with reality as it is.
        
        Example: I used to vote ACT, volunteered and helped with the party. ACT’s values were similar to my own. Now I cannot bring myself vote ACT, given David’s denial of the Vaccine dead and injured and excess vaccine deaths. If fact David has fallen off the wagon in being loyal to the values that first attracted me to ACT.
        
        Example: I have never voted NZF. It is not that long ago I referred to Peters as a drunken dwarf. But watching and listening to all party leaders, and those that will get above 5%, i.e. in the running, only Peters is willing to be objective about all the damage Labour has done.
        
        There is something wrong when a person such as Seymour is prepared to ignore his own party’s principles.
        
        “ACT believes protecting the safety and property of its citizens is the government’s first and most important job. The rights of victims should trump the rights of criminals.”
        
        “ACT is a party that believes in an individual’s freedom of choice and minimal government intervention. Labour’s legislative overreach led to mandates and ostracism and the divisions that have hugely impacted our previously civil society.”
        
        Yet he denies that there are vaccine deaths and injuries and has slapped down or made candidates resign?
        
        https://www.act.org.nz/covid-19
        
        This page is a really good policy on covid, but he is still in denial about the 10,000 excess deaths, and won’t work with NZF, yet Winston is saying similar thing as Act’s page above?
        
        Is Seymour really that gutless? Why?
        
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        September 30, 2023 2:21pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        Are you a new arrival? Have you not seen Peters saying all the right things every election for the past thirty years only to do sweet fanny adams once in power? Peters is a lawyer, the profession most learned in sophistry to manipulate people.
        
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        September 30, 2023 2:22pm
    - smartin
      
      By this logic David Seymour will have to take full blame for every decision by a National led govt. of which he is a part.
      
      You have to understand that NZF is a nationalist party – not left or right. Getting your knickers in a twist about them choosing Labour in 2017 is failing to see the big picture. All the radical Marxist stuff happened after Winston was no longer in the picture.
      
      NZF is the ONLY electable party speaking the full truth about separatist racism in this country. Act is almost there. Luxon is quite useless in this regard.
      
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      September 30, 2023 8:52pm
  - Drone
    
    2ic Winston First created the storm that put us here six years ago when he backed Ardern over English, he can never be forgiven for that. Oh and by the way did you see the video of him entering the Pike River mine when it was re-opened..
    
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    September 30, 2023 9:51am
  - Hollyfield
    
    If NZ First do get elected, I fully expect Casey Costello to end up completely disillusioned and to never stand for NZ First again.
    
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    September 30, 2023 9:55am
    - 2ic
      
      That may be the case, but she deserves a lot more credit than any of us behind our keyboards/phones taking pot-shots.
      
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      September 30, 2023 10:11am
      - RoboRob
        
        What about #2, Shayne Jones? Paul Eagle? Are they great candidates?
        
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        September 30, 2023 10:26am
      - RoboRob
        
        Lol, I meant Andy Foster
        
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        September 30, 2023 11:03am
      - JackRabbit
        
        Agreed. Some people on here are blinded by Winston Derangement Syndrome. WDS. They will call out Winston on some things which were not right, but they are prepared to turn a blind eye to a total moral collapse of Luxon and Seymour.
        
        Luxon is a WEF student, a Gates worshipper, and has stated Ardern’s stance on vaccines 95%. Come the next pandemic that Gates has planned, and the WHO bullshit that Mahuta signed us up for, mRNA vaccines will be mandated or enforced.
        
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        September 30, 2023 11:28am
      - Hollyfield
        
        JackRabbit, here’s how I see it. The country has two broad options.
        
        We either continue going down the path that we are currently on with some form of the same government as currently.
        
        Or we have a change of government which might, or might not, bring the change we desperately need. But surely, must be better than the current government.
        
        The results under the first option are a certainty. Voting for Winston is a huge gamble as he has shown himself repeatedly to be untrustworthy, and do the opposite once elected to what he promised, which is why I think a vote for him is just as likely to return the government we currently have.
        
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        September 30, 2023 11:48am
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Hollyfield
        
        Yes I know people don’t trust Winston. And that was my first thought. But his decision to go with Labour in 2017 was not just his decision but a full caucus decision.
        
        There is no way that the likes of Casey Costello, Lee Donoghue, Kirsten Murfitt and Erika Harvey, will be allowing him to support the party that delivered tyranny.
        
        2017 was a different time. We need National, ACT and NZF. The next pandemic will see Luxon doing the same as Ardern re vaccine mandates. That crippled the country and allowed the tyranny to accelerate. The tyranny that National and ACT vow to clean up.
        
        It is like saying you will will clean up the damage. But if any “damage control” that does not include the addressing the dead, wounded, and crippled, it is simply inhumane. As a nation, is that OK. Luxon and Seymour think so.
        
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        September 30, 2023 12:16pm
      - Damocles11
        
        There is a bloke here talking about ‘Winston Derangement Sydrome’, saying that people are ‘blinded’ by it.
        
        Interesting:
        – That language makes a direct comparison and link of Winston with Trump.
        – Infers that there is something so intrinsically correct but off-putting in the stance of both Trump and Winston that people will not engage critical thinking when considering them, but will instead just go against them as a kneejerk response.
        – Compares people who criticise Winston with the Democrats in the US.
        
        I consider the term ‘Winston Derangement Syndrome’ highly offensive to all people have extremely good reasons for despising Peters for what he has done to this country. ‘Decision 2017’ is not going to go away no matter how desperately some wish it would. He didn’t act on immigration, he wasn’t the first up the drift, he did vote for mandates, and he did put Jacinda Ardern on her throne.
        I am a life long National / ACT voter who has never voted for a Left wing party in my life. I’m not going to cop laughable nonsense about ‘WDS’.
        
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        September 30, 2023 1:08pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Damocles11
        
        “That language makes a direct comparison and link of Winston with Trump.”
        
        That was never my intention, but you took the bait.
        
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        September 30, 2023 2:25pm
    - wsk12345
      
      I expect that this will be Winston’s last term in parliament and Casey Costello will be the next NZF leader.
      
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      September 30, 2023 12:48pm
      - Damocles11
        
        Without Winston there will be no New Zealand First. The ‘Cult of Personality’ surrounding him is the only thing that keeps that party afloat. Hence why some refer to it as ‘Winston First’.
        
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        September 30, 2023 1:11pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        Yep. And having read and listened to her, she makes Wills look like a school girl.
        
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        September 30, 2023 2:28pm
      - Countrygirl
        
        Once he’s gone then my vote is up for grabs. I don’t trust WP.
        
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  - peterwn
    
    A vote for Winston is a vote for Labour!
    
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    September 30, 2023 10:03am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Winston has made it abundantly clear he WILL NOT go with Labour. Give it up.
      
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      September 30, 2023 11:29am
      - Lee C
        
        “Winston has made it abundantly clear..” Nice one!
        
        I nearly sprayed coffee all over my laptop.
        
        You are saitirist of rare giftedness, Jack.
        
        I salute you.
        
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        September 30, 2023 11:49am
      - Tom Hunter
        
        He made it equally “abundantly clear” that he wouldn’t go with Bolger in 1996 and Ardern in 2017.
        
        Then there was the big “NO” sign.
        
        Yeah, he’s exploiting the opportunity provided by the stubborn idiocy of Luxon and Seymour, but he’ll stab you and your hopes in the back just as he has done every other time.
        
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        September 30, 2023 11:58am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        He also said he would see Greens in government over his dead body, and what did he do? That’s right put them in, don’t say they were not in government, because without them they never had the numbers
        
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        September 30, 2023 12:21pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Tom
        
        You must allow people to change. 2017 was 6 years ago. Ardern whispered “sweet nothings” in his ear. He was duped, as was the country, as were voters, and Kindy Kids that signed petitions to ban plastic bags.
        
        Do you actually think Ardern walked him through the WEF plans? Do you honestly think she told him her evil plans? Even some members of the Labour party have recoiled as to the extent of her evil madness.
        
        10,000 excess deaths and Luxon is repeating the same mantra of 95% vaccination, and Luxon and Seymour while having good financial plans are saying the 10,000 excess deaths don’t exist.
        
        How does that appear to the families of the victims or those that are injured? How would it appear to you if someone you loved died with no apparent medical condition?
        
        How would that feel if your wife, spouse, friend, sibling, or child was one of the 10,000.
        
        Part of being human is expressing empathy regardless of whether that needlessly dead/injured person is a number on page, or a member of your family. Tyranny or needless deaths are not defined by how close to the victim we are.
        
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        September 30, 2023 12:25pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        @JR.Youy have imbibed deeply the Winston koolade.
        Your “facts” that you have posted are mostly wrong, because they are overstated.
        Take deep cleansing breaths – you will need them if Winston makes it, because he will do nothing that doesn’t give him the baubles.
        
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        September 30, 2023 12:53pm
      - Damocles11
        
        ‘You must allow people to change. 2017 was 6 years ago. Ardern whispered “sweet nothings” in his ear. He was duped’
        
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        Sorry, I can’t vote for the fool you described above. I will vote for someone experienced and able to see through the charlatans, someone who is smart enough to see through those who try to pull the wool over our eyes. Winston is in his 70’s and if he hadn’t learnt a thing or two by 2017 then I don’t have any hope for him now. I personally was never duped by Ardern, I always thought she was a woke socialist dreamer, and if Winston genuinely was duped by ‘sweet nothings’ (which I doubt) then I’d have to consider him to be a dope and a plonker.
        
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        September 30, 2023 2:15pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        I remember similar contradictory nonsense said about George “Dubya” Bush back in the day: that he was both a brilliant mastermind and a complete buffoon. You’re welcome to waste your vote on a blowhard, charlatan and grifter.
        
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        September 30, 2023 2:27pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Don Beckett
        
        I am not some “Johnny come lately”
        I am happy to be wrong about Winston. But I do see change in him. Just as I see change in people who believed the Podium of Trooth, and who lined up for the vaccine. Those people, who are now crippled, have flipped.
        
        People can change and you have to be allow people to change. We cannot judge people by our own fixed ideas and unwillingness to change.
        
        If Winston was truly as bad as you say, that he is only doing things for optics, then you must believe he is unaffected by the vaccine deaths, injuries and excess deaths.
        
        If this was the case he would be firing, slapping down, or re-educating and candidate that had alternate views on the vaccine, as per what Luxon and Seymour did. He wouldn’t have put his balls in a vice by bringing on board Casey Costello, Lee Donoghue, Kirsten Murfitt and Erika Harvey.
        
        Nor would they have gone through intensive training boot camps to ensure that they had the values they expounded.
        
        I recommend you listen to the interviews with Casey Costello and Kirsten Murfitt on RCR when they first joined NZF. And watch Winston’s interview with Peter Williams.
        
        And read up on the excess deaths in NZ. There are some good interviews about that as well.
        
        If you still hold the same viewpoint after doing so, perhaps you should consider voting Labour.
        
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        September 30, 2023 2:42pm
      - Dougal10
        
        Yes he will.
        
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        September 30, 2023 7:29pm
  - Ghost
    
    Vote for whoever you believe deserves your vote 2ic.
    
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    September 30, 2023 10:07am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Good advice Ghost. It is a bit unfair to nail someone for voting someone who is not your choice.
      I will probably vote National and Party vote Act. ‘Probably’
      If someone does not like my choice I don’t care.
      
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      September 30, 2023 10:26am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        I think the anger over Peters is his darn right distain for voters, he doesn’t give a f…..
        
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        September 30, 2023 12:26pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Indeed. Is it just me or is there a stench of fear and desperation permeating KB?
      
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      September 30, 2023 11:05am
      - Damocles11
        
        I detected a fair bit of desperation in the attacks on Seymour and Luxon & the attempts to paint Winston as some sort of unflinchingly honest paragon who gets tough stuff done. He has no record of honesty, as he has never delivered on any of his big-ticket promises. He introduced the Super Gold Card. That’s it. He’s never done anything substantial other than putting Labour into a position where they could destroy this country.
        
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        September 30, 2023 11:16am
      - JimBobJoe
        
        Every vote and very seat for NZF means that when Labour gets back in, as they will in two or three election cycles, that the base for Labour to continue the destruction of NZ by applying more socialism will be much higher.
        
        I understand the COVID thing Clan – it cost me my contract job, it has cost me mental health being endlessly gaslight.
        
        But Winston is a charlatan in my view and if he can get the best for him then he will go with Labour again in a flash.
        
        Its not desperation – its exasperation that many seem to be falling for Winstons slick willie routine again and potentially sacrificing NZs future due to not looking at the long term outcomes NZF and Labour will deliver…
        
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        September 30, 2023 11:18am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Damocles11 – polite question. Which ‘attacks’ on Luxon and Seymour are you referring to that weren’t totally validated?
        
        Pointing out that they are refusing to address an issue isn’t actually an ‘attack’, it’s a statement of fact. It’s an observation.
        Though it looks like Seymour might be taking a breath and finally realising he might need to move a fraction.
        
        Also I haven’t seen anyone saying anything of the sort regarding Peters? I certainly haven’t. I’ve acknowledged he’s untrustworthy.
        All I’ve ever said is, the NACTs left a massive vacuum and it’s no surprise that Peters is filling it.
        
        Wild accusations are not facts. We could do with sticking to those a bit more.
        
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        September 30, 2023 11:30am
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Damocles11
        
        2017 was 6 years ago. That was pre-WW3 pre holocaust. Allow Winston the benefit of the doubt.
        
        I will probably vote National electorate vote to keep the Labour candidate out, and NZF to hold both National and Act to account. This time next year when the next plandemic rolls out, Luxon will force mRNA mandates. He has already stated he wants 95% vaccinate rates, Unless Luxon states the mRNA is not a vaccine. I’m sure you can do the maths.
        
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        September 30, 2023 11:33am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Nope, he just do not want the change of government to be ruined by a shyster
        
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        September 30, 2023 12:27pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        It’s not you. Everyone has got the shits with Winston Peters.
        If he should be needed to form a Govt and stop Labour, we don’t know what the crafty bastard may do.
        
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        September 30, 2023 12:52pm
      - wsk12345
        
        @jack rabbit
        
        95% will never happen for an mRNa vax. People like you and I who said no last time will be doubly emphatic. And we will be joined by multiples more who had it this time but won’t stand for another round.
        
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        September 30, 2023 12:55pm
      - mawm
        
        wsk – that’s not what the WHO want and I can see Luxon doing their bidding and going door to door vaccinating people. Just as I see Luxon introducing a digital currency and vaccine passport (papers please), while continuing along the path of two tiers of citizenship.
        
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        September 30, 2023 1:39pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @wsk12345
        
        Undoubtedly. But they will use that to again brainwash the public, complete co-governance, implement 15 minutes cities, and digital ID.
        
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        September 30, 2023 2:46pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @mawm
        
        Yep, that’s what I see as well.
        
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        September 30, 2023 2:47pm
      - mawm
        
        Jack Rabbit – listen to this from Dr John Campbell.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UScNk39xUTk
        
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        September 30, 2023 3:40pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @mawm
        
        Thanks.
        Very treasonous.
        
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        September 30, 2023 6:22pm
  - leoj
    
    [Mod – personal abuse deleted]
    
    2017: Winston is the biggest traitor in NZ electoral history.
    
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    September 30, 2023 10:14am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Whatever you said, I agree. Nasty germ.
      
      [Mod – the abuse was directed at a member of this blog, please don’t encourage such]
      
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      September 30, 2023 10:28am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Apologies Mod. I figured it was directed at Winston.
        
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        September 30, 2023 10:50am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Not by a long shot. First prize goes to Ardern, #2 to Hipkins, #3 to Robertson, and so on. Wiles, Baker, Bloomfield. Winston is about #45 on the list.
      
      And Luxon will displace Hipkins as #2 next year when he implements the next phase of the WEF reset.
      
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      September 30, 2023 2:51pm
      - Damocles11
        
        lol. And you seriously believe this stuff?
        
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        September 30, 2023 4:02pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Damocles11
        
        Start by listing how many have lost their lives or been maimed to the actions of these clowns.
        Rank them in order of deaths / injuries.
        
        Add in how much they profited from their actions.
        
        It’s not difficult to figure out.
        
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        September 30, 2023 6:16pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    You think Murffit is a great candidate? A total nut job fFS, giving off blue tooth signals when the people who were jabbed die, utter bullshit
    
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    September 30, 2023 12:19pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      A total nut job fFS, giving off blue tooth signals when the people who were jabbed die, utter bullshit.
      
      It may be utter bullshit. But are you holding that viewpoint because you are parroting media ore because you have invested money and time to test it yourself?
      
      [A]. Nanobot technology is very advanced. Nanometre circuitry is common place. Technology is now down to 3nm density, or approximately 120 million transistors per square mm. And it only requires 5 million transistors to create a blue tooth receiver. So about 0.2 sq mm.
      
      The questions you should be asking:
      
      [1] Is the idea of an injectable circuit possible: Answer yes: Injectable chips that responds to RF are commonplace in cats and dogs.
      
      [2] Is the idea of an injectable blue tooth chip possible? Yes – see [1]
      
      [3] Microdot chips have been in use by three letter agencies for several decades.
      
      [4] Can they make chips small enough to be injected into the blood stream? Yes
      
      [5] Is what Murfitt saying possible? i.e. does the technology exist? Yes.
      
      [6] The only remaining question is are there people who are evil enough to want to inject chips into humans?
      
      Given all the evil we have seen, clearly such people exist. Have they done it?
      
      With my 5 decades in technology I know it is possible, and whether or not the vaccine creates low power blue tooth signals in response to an RF field, I cannot confirm nor can I deny. The technology exists, the will by evil exists. But for me it goes into the large basket marked “yet to be confirmed”.
      
      You be your own judge. But please don’t label someone a nutter, when you haven’t done the research, and where the means and motive exist.
      
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      September 30, 2023 3:12pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        I should add that commercial technology lags behind military/3 letter agency technology by about 20-30 years.
        
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        September 30, 2023 3:35pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  kk – cheers for elucidating what I’ve been trying to say on this blog for a month or longer in a much more elegant and eloquent manner.
  Clearly in a more palatable way based on relatively few downticks compared to the avalanche I’ve been subjected to. 🙄😁👍👍👍
  
  The important thing is, the message might be getting through. Seymour’s tepid statement is hopefully just the start. My vote meter just moved back to neutral. 😄
  
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  September 30, 2023 10:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Badges. Wear them proudly. It shows you pissed someone off.
    
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    September 30, 2023 10:32am
- mogg
  
  To be fair that description could be applied to more than 50% of these current parliamentarians .
  
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  September 30, 2023 11:35am
- cmm
  
  This is pure Winston.
  He’s not chasing every policy, just enough to get his 5%.
  
  Should the other parties be chasing this 5%? It depends… If one issue tries to suck up all the oxygen, then maybe not.
  
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  September 30, 2023 2:15pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Media are pumping the hell out of Winston because they want to see the next govt fail. Which is just fucking insane. Like drilling holes in the hull of the boat you are in.
  
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  September 30, 2023 5:23pm
Kiwiguy

A very pertinent watch. You could replace the location with NZ, and replace slavery with the TOW, and it all aligns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYaiw7AqC8k&ab_channel=YinkaThatGuy
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September 30, 2023 8:08am
Dougal10

I hope someone on the right of politics is keeping a score of the blatantly bias articles implicating Nat and Act people of wrongdoing to left wing candidates and all the other just shit articles . Then when the owners of these news organisations come with their hands out for money they get shown why they aren’t getting any.
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September 30, 2023 8:10am
kevn

kk… This one? Of course… Sorry for the duplication.
https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/general-elections/covid-royal-commission-public-to-set-terms-of-reference-act/
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September 30, 2023 8:15am
- Master Mariner
  
  There is my vote right there.
  The wheels are starting to turn.
  Regardless of political affilation, The moral side of the argument is the right side and history will show.
  
  Personally, I will be sending a submission on the terms of reference if the opportunity arises.
  
  Out of interest, How could you get an impartial person to oversea it, Without some bias?
  
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  September 30, 2023 10:30am
  - Ghost
    
    I doubt it will, the royal commission is already half way through their work, they were going to go on the road and interview health workers and those involved in the Covid response with members of the public allowed to submit in November, but has been delayed until after the election.
    
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    September 30, 2023 10:38am
    - Mark Hanley
      
      Unfortunately….
      
      Whilst promising, ACTs crowd sourced COVID inquiry policy Is not a bottom line. Nor is their TOW referendum. I ASKED.
      
      Unless Seymour makes these policies a bottom line….
      
      WE DONT KNOW WHAT WE’RE VOTING FOR EXCEPT…
      
      WE DO KNOW WE”LL BE VOTING FOR A BUNCH OF INEXPERIENCED ACT MPS WHO WILL PROVIDE LITTLE HELP TO SEYMOUR IN HIS QUEST TO ENACT LONG TERM POSITIVE CHANGE!
      
      I’M WORKING ON A SOLITION WHICH ILL POST IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS.
      
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      September 30, 2023 11:59am
      - Ghost
        
        They’ll never be bottom lines, just vote catchers. Seymour knows there won’t be a referendum. He’ll claim something as a win and not needing the referendum during the negotiations.
        
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        September 30, 2023 1:21pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Ironic (if what you say is acvurate) then that Seymour hates Peters but now adopts Peter’s (and Labours) electoral strategy…..
        
        Say what they want to hear with the knowledge/intention it will never be implemented.
        
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        September 30, 2023 1:25pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Seymour finally reading the room? About bloody time.
    
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    September 30, 2023 11:09am
  - Lee C
    
    I agree.
    
    This has sealed two-ticks ACT for me.
    
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    September 30, 2023 11:53am
    - Damocles11
      
      Perhaps you would consider giving your *electorate* vote to a party that can give Labour a bloody nose, unless you live in Epsom.
      
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      September 30, 2023 1:16pm
- Che Guava
  
  I can tell you the gist of the conclusions right now:
  
  1. Generally, the best approach was taken in line with overseas experience and the determinations of Science.
  
  2. Mistakes were made, but politicians are only human, and nobody can claim to know the entire Truth at any one time.
  
  3. A unified and totalising global approach is needed for next time, which is why we support the Pandemic Treaty. National sovereignty is a dangerous relic and leads to Hate.
  
  4. Dis and misinformation played a large part in undermining the government’s message, which led to dangerous outcomes like vaccine hesitancy and increased levels of Hate. We need stronger censorship to keep everyone safe.
  
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  September 30, 2023 10:58am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Che Guava – exactly what will happen with the Royal Commission as it stands. It will be a whitewash.
    
    Philip Crump (Thomas Cranmer blog) using publicly available government data and internal memos clearly proved that the government ignored and misrepresented the advice given to them by their medical advisors.
    
    Anyone who hasn’t read through his posts regarding the flawed approval process, the misinformation re risks to pregnant women and the deliberately suppressed information re concerning evidence of risk to young people, particularly young males – really should do so.
    
    It is slam dunk evidence that we were misled, that they knew the jabs didn’t do anything that they claimed they did, and that NOBODY in the country had ‘informed consent’ when they complied and participated in this medical experiment.
    
    There is no possible way they can claim they ‘didn’t know’ and this is ‘hindsight’. It isn’t. They knew exactly what they were doing and it was all about politics, nothing to do with health.
    
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    September 30, 2023 11:20am
    - Che Guava
      
      “Truth” is the opinion of the powerful.
      
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      September 30, 2023 11:24am
pdm

Peters has been gifted Co-Governance because Luxon in particular and National generally are to0 woke to take advantage of this gift Labour has given them.

Peters and his mostly motley crew (I except Casey Costello and maybe Mark Paterson from that) will ride that wave all of the way to 7% or even 8% on election day.
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September 30, 2023 8:19am
- Tricati
  
  Couldn’t agree more – co-governance was the gift National ignored at their peril and now NZ likely pay the price by having Peters in the mix.
  I was disappointed HDPA didn’t have her piece on co-governance last night, although I was busy so a has missed it. I was concerned she was told to drop the piece given the ‘racist’ over-tones certain MSM elements are pushing
  
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  September 30, 2023 8:39am
- imalwaysright
  
  Yes pdm,
  
  Ironically, if Luxon read the room on covid and climate, he wouldn’t need Winston .
  
  Trying to appease the entire country is fine , but he only has to appease half of them to achieve his objective.
  
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  September 30, 2023 8:49am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Ironically, if Luxon read the room on covid and climate…
    
    More irony is seen from realising that Luxon’s (and National’s) argument that they need to reach the “soft centre” by being squishy about our shit responses to covid and climate begs the question of how this supposed “soft centre” is so fanatical on those two topics that they can only be appeased.
    
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    September 30, 2023 10:35am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Not sure what else Nats have to do, there will be no co governance in services, end of story, the problem is that Labour have given it a Māori name, hard to waffle a Māori name and have people understand
  
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  September 30, 2023 9:03am
  - Matt Long
    
    National Candidates and MPs would beg to differ G;
    https://www.teaonews.co.nz/2023/09/28/nationals-maori-mps-to-fight-to-keep-elements-of-co-governance-mp/
    
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    September 30, 2023 10:18am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The candidates can tell voters what ever they like, the policy is no co governance in services
      
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      September 30, 2023 12:31pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Luxon is usually very quick to jump on candidates expressing opinions not aligned to the mothership. Why not on this occasion?
        
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        September 30, 2023 1:21pm
  - leoj
    
    Why just services?
    
    That’s the problem with piss-weak Luxon. He has to add words that are not necessary.
    
    Recently, he said that “some” elements of co-governance might be retained.
    
    He is also against having a referendum on the treaty principles.
    
    He is a maori sypathiser, through and through.
    
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    September 30, 2023 10:19am
    - Che Guava
      
      In order to stand for something, it is necessary to oppose its opposite. What of the current suite of “popular” notions or policies does Luxon oppose? It’s hard to say. Being a leader means doing what, on the surface at least, appears to be unpopular (but right). The thing to understand is that “popular” usually means manufactured popularity that would collapse if a better alternative was proposed.
      
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      September 30, 2023 11:18am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Che. You can answer your own questions and perhaps calm your ire with a few internet searches.
        
        Here are a few search suggestions…
        
        Luxon / National rule out cogovernance of public services.
        
        Luxon /National will abolish the separate Maori health depattment.
        
        Luxon / National will restore law and order and reinstate real consequemces for criminals.
        
        Luxon / National will restore compulsory daily structured reading writing and maths lessons.
        
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        September 30, 2023 1:06pm
      - Che Guava
        
        Mark Hanley
        Shouldn’t you provide the links yourself if you purport to rely on them for your argument?
        
        As I’ve argued many time here, one, the statements you note on Maori issues are always qualified, rarely categorical; and two, focusing on “consequences” for criminals does nothing much to deal with the causes of criminal behaviour, mostly grounded in the faulty dominant orthodoxy.
        
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        September 30, 2023 1:30pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Che. If someone hit you with a carrot you’d argue vociferously it was a watermelon.
        
        The reason you must do the searches suggested (and more) yourself is to gain a greater depth of knowledge.
        
        Whilst I admire your passion, I seldom read you posts because your vitriol lacks balance and facts
        
        Here are a few things the searches might reveal….
        
        *Luxon opposes health by race.
        
        * Luxon opposes cogovernance of public services.
        
        * Luxon opposes the degradation of nz’s education
        
        * Luxon opposes gangs and criminals
        
        * Luxon opposes the laundering of our money into the back pockets of the corrupt Labour hierarchy (Luxon euphemistically calls it ‘stop wasteful spending’)
        
        * Luxon opposes personal attacks on and between politicians and sticks rigidly to discussing National policies and Labour’s policy and financial stewardship failures.
        
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        September 30, 2023 2:11pm
      - Damocles11
        
        If Winston truly had all the answers then 92% of people would vote for him. In the event, probably 92% of people won’t vote for him. It is delusional thinking to believe that if a mainstream political leader comes out with an ‘unpopular’ or ‘radical’ position on something, then a whole bunch of people may have the scales fall from their eyes and gasp “my gawd, you are absolutely right…what on earth was I thinking!” Trumpian style politics will not work here, this is a fundamentally different country with a fundamentally different outlook.
        
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        September 30, 2023 4:08pm
    - Sparrow
      
      “Recently he said some elements of co-governance might be retained”. Unless I have missed it the New Zealand public has yet to recieve an explanation of co-governance which was promised by the end of 2022. So what does Luxon know?
      
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      September 30, 2023 12:13pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Well most people could not give a rats ass about the naming of a river, Māori giving the Waikato river a human entity, who gives two shits about that crap, I am more interested about the costs to hard working over taxes under valued mid income NZers, you fiddle ariund the edges to beat up and hate on Luxon, but you are not voting for him anyway, but he will be pm in 14 days
      
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      September 30, 2023 12:34pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        I may not vote for Luxon, but I hope he is the PM. However, can’t rule out Winston the kingmaker, endowing Chippy with his blessing.
        
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        September 30, 2023 1:24pm
    - Damocles11
      
      A ‘maori sympathiser’? Sad that you would get 12 upticks for posting something like that. I don’t have any ill-will towards Maori, I just don’t want to see a Maori elite get special rights and privileges that undermine our democracy & cause division along racial lines.
      
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      September 30, 2023 2:20pm
- Drone
  
  He might have been “gifted” it (co-governance) but like getting rid of the maori seats when he had the chance, if he ends up in a position to do anything about it be assured it won’t happen. He is the model of what’s become known as a “Dog Whistle Politician” barking at passing issues but never actually getting out of his kennel to chase them..
  
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  September 30, 2023 9:56am
  - Damocles11
    
    ‘Immigration’ was the classic case study in Winston’s grandstanding to get votes, then doing absolutely nothing when in government. How his supporters continue to forget about his record of non-delivery & raising his middle finger to them when in government, I’ll never know. We just have to accept that some charismatic people are able to build a ‘Cult of Personality’ very effectively.
    
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    September 30, 2023 10:27am
    - Mark Hanley
      
      Over 50% of voters thought Adern did a good job on covid despite the fact she….
      
      – unnecessarily ran the most expensive covid response in the developed world crippling our economy and life styles.
      
      – hid amd lied about the medsafe covid jab report, and in doing so is reponsible for mass murder on a scale greater than the world wars!
      
      It tells you a lot about the laziness and stupidity of NZ voters.
      
      No wonder peters successfully and repeatedly fools the lazy and stupid!
      
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      September 30, 2023 12:37pm
    - kowtow
      
      His Asian anti immigrant voters are very happy to climb aboard a bus at discounted cost ( thanks to Winston) driven and maintained by the folk he promised to keep out, to be delivered to shopping centres served by same ……….
      
      And they still don’t get that Winston is still larfing all the way to the bank , while the inflation he , Ardern and Robbo brought and imposed with their wild spending and borrowing , stealing what little savings they had . And he enabled Davis to put criminals on the streets that puts the fear of God into them when they do go out.
      
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      September 30, 2023 1:21pm
- amospicton
  
  I agree that they’ve been less aggressive on this issue than most here would like. The problem, and it’s one Luxon faces and we don’t, is that for every vote gained 2 or 3 would be lost. The critical thing is that this sorry bunch of losers are expelled from government for a very long time. Winning is all that matters.
  
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  September 30, 2023 11:10am
  - Damocles11
    
    Luxon is just tip-toeing through the tulips to harvest as many votes as he can. Unfortunately there are people out there who want him to “grow some balls” and all this kind of stuff. As soon as he starts barking about the kind of things some would like him to, there go all the easily startled flip-floppers in the centre, and the Right loses the election right there. Not just National; everyone and every party on the Right loses the election….and Labour / Green / Te Pati Maori get to complete the destruction of NZ.
    
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    September 30, 2023 1:21pm
- thirteenstars
  
  “Peters has been gifted Co-Governance because Luxon in particular and National generally are to0 woke to take advantage of this gift Labour has given them.”
  
  Bingo. Hell, I’m an ACT voter and even I can see that Peters has made hay precisely because National has run for cover on CG. Oh, they’ve done some handwaving, but Luxon’s repudiation of Ballantyne’s comments shows you what happens when a little bit of pressure is applied by the other Chris:
  
  https://youtu.be/7b0vtIuyi1A?si=WLFvZvpLf8w7kkIv&t=423
  
  Stick around for the whole exchange because Peters lets Wright have it between the eyes, and that’s what damn well needs to happen.
  
  Luxon might think he’s playing a smart game leaving Peters and Seymour to run interference for him but people have memories and when Kiwis return a resounding NO on the CG referendum there will be only two beneficiaries: ACT and NZF. National will be seen as merely a meek fellow traveller.
  
  Bottom line: even if Peters is milking this for all it’s worth, who cares? It needs to be addressed and with every ounce of gusto we can muster.
  
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  September 30, 2023 3:04pm
  - Damocles11
    
    People report crime and the cost of living as major issues this election. National will respond accordingly, and they will keep their decorum. This is seen as ‘weak’ and ‘meek’ but some, but unfortunately they do not understand MMP and what is required of major mainstream political parties. Moreover, they do not understand the extent to which minds have been shaped and transformed over the last 6 years: the biggest clue was Labour getting more than 50% of the vote in 2020.
    
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    September 30, 2023 4:13pm
    - thirteenstars
      
      “People report crime and the cost of living as major issues this election. National will respond accordingly, and they will keep their decorum.”
      
      Read: National’s focus groups have identified problems and our policy statements must reflect that. Forget everything else.
      
      “This is seen as ‘weak’ and ‘meek’ but some, but unfortunately they do not understand MMP and what is required of major mainstream political parties.”
      
      Read: National’s focus groups have identified problems and our policy statements must reflect that. Forget everything else.
      
      “Moreover, they do not understand the extent to which minds have been shaped and transformed over the last 6 years: the biggest clue was Labour getting more than 50% of the vote in 2020.”
      
      ChatGPT, is that you?
      
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      September 30, 2023 7:53pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Three times in a week? Something smells fishy.

“Our Hauraki-Waikato candidate, Hana-Rāwhiti Maipi-Clarke’s home was invaded, vandalised, and left with a threatening letter. This premeditated and targeted attack is the latest of three incidents to take place at Hana’s home just this week,” said the Maori party.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/09/te-p-ti-m-ori-says-candidate-hana-r-whiti-maipi-clarke-s-home-invaded-vandalised-in-politically-motivated-attack.html
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September 30, 2023 8:20am
- Tricati
  
  Haven’t seen any Police report/comment on this – Do we know if it was reported.
  Something not adding up
  
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  September 30, 2023 10:06am
- Matt Long
  
  If a letter was left it would indicate the guilty party, was it signed J Smollett, or Labour Maori Caucus?
  
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  September 30, 2023 10:10am
- emmess
  
  Ain’t karma a bitch?
  These fools want to let all of the criminals out of prison
  
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  September 30, 2023 10:28am
- Bernard Black
  
  Security cameras are reasonably priced and easy to install and operate these days.
  Many homes have them, I have a couple myself, eziviz, no installation required, battery powered, works via an app on my phone.
  You would think after 3 break-ins she might consider getting some.
  Or perhaps she doesn’t really want to know who is doing it, if it happened at all.
  
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  September 30, 2023 12:36pm
  - Ghost
    
    Police are investigating.
    
    Police are investigating after the home of Te Pāti Māori candidate Hana-Rāwhiti Maipi-Clarke was invaded, vandalised, and a threatening letter left behind.
    
    They said the burglary of a Huntly home was reported to police on Monday.
    
    Article
    
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    September 30, 2023 12:49pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  It’s bullshit, snd the so called flap of the other Mp will be a small incident I bet, trying to the bitter end, but they ain’t got no sympathy
  
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  September 30, 2023 12:37pm
- sirknz
  
  Reported in the media on the same day that Byron C Clark pops up in the news.
  
  For those of you who have forgotten, he is the ‘expert in the NZ far right/alt-right community’. Wrote a book on it and apparently didn’t have any coherent definition of what makes someone far/alt right much beyond they might have argued with him on the internet at least once.
  
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  September 30, 2023 12:37pm
- Scooter
  
  As someone said on X “probs a cuzzie looking for their stash”. If it’s true where are the photos, you’d think that would be the first thing they’d do, you know to milk it for all its worth.
  
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  September 30, 2023 5:19pm
Philview

I don’t think it is early warning. The media have suppressed a lot of information on the Co-Governance policies implemented by Labour. Peters is now talking about it on the campaign trail and getting oxygen and I can imagine people around New Zealand are hearing stuff they haven’t heard before.
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September 30, 2023 8:21am
- Tricati
  
  I think its to bloody late to raise the issue unfortunately, as it should have top issue back when Ardern started the crap – The MSM have shut down any debate, and any one trying to raise it has been labeled ‘Racist’, so no traction.
  Looking at the list of names on the Maori Elite letter, would indicate they see their separatist efforts under threat.
  
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  September 30, 2023 10:10am
Nukuleka

Several KBloggers- including me- posted warnings about Winston’s tactics some time ago, when NZ First was barely registering in the polls. His modus operandi is nothing new in NZ politics and National strategists in particular should have listened and pulled the carpet from beneath him then. Too late now.
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September 30, 2023 8:22am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Seymour did not help by pissing Bob McCoskrei off. He will back anyone who is anti abortion and euthanasia.
  
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  September 30, 2023 8:27am
- Paulus
  
  Look it is the media who are using Peters as their attack vehicle against National.
  They had little until he was persuaded to put his head above the parapet and that is when the media decided to use him.
  This will continue right up to the election with the media doing all they can against a real change of Government.
  Fancy the voters not doing, what the principally feminist so called political media, want.
  
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  September 30, 2023 8:46am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Indeed..
    
    I don’t recall Winston Peters or NZ First getting so much Media coverage in the month before the 2020 election.
    
    As soon as Labour started diving in the polls, the MSM resurrected Winston from his slumbers.
    
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    September 30, 2023 10:15am
    - kowtow
      
      I wonder on what basis he was allowed to do the tv 3 minor debate seeing as how they don’t have any parliamentary representation……..
      
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      September 30, 2023 11:42am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Because media are trying to split the rights vote, and they simply love the damage he will do
      
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      September 30, 2023 12:38pm
  - Philview
    
    You are right about the media. The TVNZ News team I find to be pleasant and likeable as people so it goes up the command chain to deeply unpleasant bullies applying pressure from within the Labour Party. Willie Jackson telling Jack Tame live in an interview that his career is finished if he pursues that line of questioning. I would bet the bullying behind the scenes is deeply unpleasant.
    
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    September 30, 2023 11:52am
- Prince
  
  If Luxon had ruled Peters out, Hipkins wouldn’t have. So the only option now would be a Left Alliance with Peters.
  Or a hung Parliament and back to the polls in February – a years delay on tax cuts, and 4 months for Labour to regroup and screw the scrum further.
  
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  September 30, 2023 9:09am
  - emmess
    
    Not 100% sure
    The left in this country is aligning with the international left which sees populism as fascism, whether or not they truly believe that I cannot say.
    
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    September 30, 2023 10:32am
- Damocles11
  
  I just cannot see what difference Luxon ruling Peters out would make. Hands up any Winston fans here who would have dumped Winston because Luxon said National wouldn’t work with him. So they just would go “oh Luxon has said that, well shucks…then I guess I can’t vote for NZ First even though I’d like to”. I just can’t see it, it isn’t realistic.
  The tactic is just going to take votes off Labour: people will tactically vote for Winston hoping he can hobble the incoming government. But anything that reduces the total Labour vote is good in my book.
  National have ruled him out in the past….and then he got over the treshold. So it didn’t work back then, did it.
  
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  September 30, 2023 1:35pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

They’re going to be damp.

Interestingly, there is absolutely no mention of what the protest is about.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/09/more-protests-set-for-outside-parliament.html
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September 30, 2023 8:25am
Bridgenag

Friday Funnies: Honest, Commander Doesn’t Bite!
Irresponsible pet owners are dangerous.

This week, Biden’s dog bit another secret service agent. We all remember that “Major” bit people before. So, again -in the White House? Well, actually no. Biden gave that dog away in 2021.
This is a NEW dog – a dog named “Commander” – that was born in 2021. This is the Eleventh biting incident that we KNOW of from this young dog. In the four month period from October 2022 to January 2023, there were TEN biting “incidents” – sending one person to the hospital. They went to the hospital, AFTER medical treatment was performed at the White House. We only know this because Judicial Watch did a FOIA for that time period to discover if bites had occurred. These bites were from a one year old dog.
https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/friday-funnies-honest-commander-doesnt?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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September 30, 2023 8:26am
- greybeard
  
  I like those correlation graphs !
  
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  September 30, 2023 10:15am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Just as well he doesn’t live in Gisborne
  
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  September 30, 2023 4:16pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Repeat from yesterday, it was late.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/national-party-using-labours-trickery-and-deceit-strategies-to-fool-voters-about-co-governance/
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September 30, 2023 8:28am
RoboRob

I couldn’t believe the criticism of Nationals very moderate budget yesterday. Complaining that they were only coming back into budget slightly earlier than Labour, and only slightly smaller deficits.

I mean really, comparing National to Labours forecasts! Labour who haven’t met any budgets and consistently overspent. Suddenly we believe they can be fiscally responsible? What a joke. Remember when labour first came to power they were forecasting a small short term growth in borrowing before returning to surplus in a few years. Instead they borrowed 100b and looked in a 10+b yearly deficit.

I mean come on.
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September 30, 2023 8:37am
- Tricati
  
  Send the debt clock to the knockers of National’s fiscal plan and ask, ‘so you support this’.
  Absolute fiscal vandalism from Labour over 6 years
  
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  September 30, 2023 10:13am
  - kowtow
    
    And Winston First.
    
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    September 30, 2023 11:43am
- artemisia
  
  National’s left the MMP door ajar. Correctly of course. If National leads the next government, ACT will have excellent leverage to ditch a bunch of taxpayer funded functions. Believe there is a not-so-little list.
  
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  September 30, 2023 10:13am
Souvlaki

Accepting my own bias, Don Brash’s latest post is an excellent summary!

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/don-brash-why-my-party-vote-will-be-going-to-act
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September 30, 2023 8:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Good summary by Don Brash.
  
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  September 30, 2023 8:49am
- kowtow
  
  From the comments section by one John J Harrison , foundation member Act .
  
  ‘What we desperately need is an industrial sized, water cooled chainsaw to go through our bloated civil service before Christmas.
  
  Their sense of entitlement , lack of any targets or accountability with massive salaries, huge and expensive going away and welcoming parties and innumerable perks must be brought to an end – forthwith.’
  
  So true and yet once again te media pahti standing in the way of that , constantly bleating about job losses before Christ Mass.
  
  Here’s an answer ; stop the tens of thousands of low productivity immigrants coming in from the Third World and there’ll be more than enough jobs to go round for all the newly redundant public servants .
  
  It is literally that simple.
  
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  September 30, 2023 9:31am
  - Swifty
    
    That will help with inflation too.
    
    Get all those civil servants out and working in productive sectors will boost supply – closing the difference between excess demand and supply.
    
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    September 30, 2023 9:47am
  - Taieri
    
    Here’s an answer ; stop the tens of thousands of low productivity immigrants coming in from the Third World and there’ll be more than enough jobs to go round for all the newly redundant public servants .
    ————–
    
    Would you trust a former public servant with driving a bus?
    
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    September 30, 2023 10:42am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The redundancy payments will keep them in summer wine for decades.
      Sit out on the deck and get a tan, jump in the spa and have more wine.
      Food? Delivered!
      Summer wine, just made for Sat evening.:
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OEron4rXfk
      
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      September 30, 2023 5:55pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    ‘What we desperately need is an industrial sized, water cooled chainsaw to go through our bloated civil service before Christmas.
    
    According to National Party people I’ve talked to online this is not going to happen, There shall be minor changes:
    
    In 2000 we had 28,000 ‘crats for a population of about 3.8 million, one ‘crat for every 136 subjects. In 2020 the ratio is one ‘crat for every 83 subjects of the government.
    
    So this basically means that National could drop the numbers back to about 36,000. I can imagine the screams and the pain, and that blue section of the graph indicates that it won’t happen.
    
    Also read the comments and then look at what former National Cabinet Minister Wayne Mapp has said on the same topic here at KB.
    
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    September 30, 2023 10:53am
    - thirteenstars
      
      Of course it’s one step forward, two steps back.
      
      This morning on radio news there was a National candidate/spokesmodel/whatever trying to mollify the frightened natives by noting the 6% or so of cutbacks to the public service budgets would theoretically only result in a numbers reduction to such and such a level which was way above the last National government, and he was *selling* it on that basis.
      
      See, these buggers don’t even believe in it. They really do think the swollen bureaucracy needs only to be trimmed, not reset. A 6% cut is nothing. For government departments it’s damn near an accounting error.
      
      The upshot is that National will happily govern with a civil service not much different than that of Labour’s.
      
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      September 30, 2023 12:42pm
      - Damocles11
        
        They might be ‘buggers’ to you, but when over 50% of the population voted for Labour at the last election then the Right are aiming to achieve an unprecedented swing at this election. One party (National) has to go Left to get the votes, and one party (ACT) has to then ‘drag the government to the Right’ in the coalition negotiations. This is the only strategy that will work, and even then this election will be close.
        
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        September 30, 2023 1:41pm
  - Paulus
    
    Am I wrong but under this Ardern Government has not the main Public Service increased by some 40,000 people – many very highly paid as we see in the top wack in the Maori controlled Health Service of $770,000.
    Rather larger than being Prime Minister, but they are not Maori Family.
    
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    September 30, 2023 11:06am
- Damocles11
  
  Excellent graphic here –
  
  https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/don-brash-why-my-party-vote-will-be-going-to-act?commentId=f993bea3-8c8c-4e66-80eb-8ae1bfeaa98d
  
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  September 30, 2023 1:30pm
G152

I am amused by the current finance member and his rants against the Nats plan that he claimed didnt exist.
Looks like his cushy number is coming to an end and he might have to look for a real job
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September 30, 2023 8:40am
- nathie
  
  The Taxpayers Union already have the perfect job lined up for him.
  
  In fact he could take it on as a secondary job before the election and if he is paid a commission he’ll do rather well!
  
  https://www.robbos.co.nz/
  
  Plus any secondary tax he generates is going to its rightful “owner” (well surely that’s what he would say to us mere plebs working two jobs?)!
  
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  September 30, 2023 10:55am
  - Damocles11
    
    Robbo wouldn’t be able to run a business though. He is too lazy and too incompetent, and too marxist.
    
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    September 30, 2023 2:28pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Robbo could do the Accounts, Alf has the licence for the truck.
      
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      September 30, 2023 4:22pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He is still spouting the foreign tax gain, I thought I heard media say that the Nats actually released the modeling or at least the findings of the company that said the numbers stack up
  
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  September 30, 2023 12:44pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Race baiting.

“It is ignorant to think you have a right to erase te Tiriti from legislation and rewrite it in your own words,” read the letter.
Ignorant, but I guess they agree that the current Treaty need looking at. The Treaty was re-written in 1975 when tha Waitangi Tribunal was formed – including “forestry and fisheries.” Further tampered with by Geoffrey Palmer – just to confuse things.
So if it is ignorant to re-write is now, it must have been ‘ignorant’ in 1975. Can’t have it both ways.
It would be nice to get a reply from the Maori Leaders who penned that letter to National and Chris Luxon.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/purely-political-seymour-hits-back-at-open-letter-asking-nats-to-condemn-act-s-race-baiting/ar-AA1hq00q

This David Seymour guy is no fool!

While we are talking ‘race baiting’
“It is a known fact that Māori genetic makeup is stronger than others.”
Rawiri Waititi. (all is quiet now)
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September 30, 2023 8:46am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  There’s a few other examples of politicians race-baiting which the MSM have chosen to ignore:
  
  https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2023/09/29/racism-becomes-a-buzz-word-on-the-campaign-trail-but-our-media-watchdogs-stay-muzzled-when-the-maori-party-offends/
  
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  September 30, 2023 8:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Maybe an Academic type could do some DNA testing and comparing.
    That would shut Waititi up.
    
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    September 30, 2023 11:05am
- kowtow
  
  Another issue is how the media have now made such an absolute position that concern for our democratic rights and processes are now “racist” .
  
  The effect of this is to kill debate which is also anti democratic. The media do this deliberately .
  
  The media currently are an enemy of free speech and democracy .
  
  (They did the same thing with pro covid coverage , andalso the so called self described climate emergency)
  
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  September 30, 2023 9:00am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Have you forgotten that democracy is “Tyranny of the Majority”?
    
    That’s why Co-Governance is the way ahead….
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/willie-jackson-says-democracy-has-changed-co-governance-is-good-act-leader-is-a-hypocrite/VZZAIF66LH76WWEXUXUXAZQ3XA/
    
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    September 30, 2023 10:41am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      “Jackson said Māori and non-Māori would have an equal say on Three Waters if mana whenua had 50 per cent representation in appointing resource management boards.”
      
      50% of appointees is racist. Bend and twist it all you like Willie Jackson. Bottom line having Maori appointed and non-Maori not appointed is racist full stop!
      Equal say on three waters my left tit.
      
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      September 30, 2023 11:12am
      - Tricati
        
        Especially if the mana o te wai statements stay in place.
        I have yet to hear Labour explain how the statements don’t over-ride private property rights – Crickets!!
        
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        September 30, 2023 12:12pm
    - mogg
      
      Yes what we need is a “mature democracy” so we can “move on from the tyranny of majority rule”.
      Let’s have our version of tribal democracy instead.
      
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      September 30, 2023 11:54am
  - NothingLeft
    
    fourth estate have become fifth column.
    
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    September 30, 2023 5:26pm
- bjools
  
  Dear Mr Waititi
  Please read:
  https://holocaust.com.au/the-facts/racism-and-nazi-racial-ideology/
  From the text
  the “Lebensborn” (Lifespring) program aimed at breeding “Aryan” children
  Are you suggesting similar?
  
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  September 30, 2023 10:42am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Do you think Waititi would understand that, or just simply dismiss it?
    
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    September 30, 2023 11:22am
Matt Long

What do abortionists do with the bodies of babies they’ve killed?
In the US, some are used for selling organs, and you can see where late term abortions would suit here. Some are kept as trophies, some are put through garbage disposal units and flushed into the waste water networks.
Fascinating X thread. https://x.com/LilaGraceRose/status/1707444746048676025?s=20
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September 30, 2023 8:46am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Worse yet, healthy babies who survive a botched abortion are left to die on cold stainless steal there and I suspect here.
  
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  September 30, 2023 8:57am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Chuck
    
    Its very cruel.
    Maybe showing the mother a live endoscope video of the child would change her mind.
    If motherhood isn’t possible then adoption would be the best alternative .
    
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    September 30, 2023 9:03am
  - kowtow
    
    “Be kind”.
    
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    September 30, 2023 9:09am
    - kevn
      
      kowtow… The previous PM voted for full term abortion.
      
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      September 30, 2023 9:47am
      - kowtow
        
        She was publicly very proud of her “achievement” .
        
        Be kind.
        
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        September 30, 2023 9:55am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Kevn
        
        A good question to ask her would be what is the difference between a fetus and the same fetus 20 minutes later after it is born.
        
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        September 30, 2023 12:01pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        And David voted against Simon O’Connor’s amendment that said if a healthy baby survived a botched abortion, breathing on it own and was old enough to survive it must be allowed to live.
        
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        September 30, 2023 3:40pm
  - Keith White
    
    That (a stainless steel resting place) happens, but more often a staff member wraps the new-made dismembered corpse and treats the remains with the last dignity that dead human will ever experience.
    
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    September 30, 2023 11:03am
    - wsk12345
      
      They have to wait for it to die first
      
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      September 30, 2023 1:19pm
    - mawm
      
      Some patients keep the remains for burial (usually those not having a termination for personal convenience), otherwise they get incinerated like all tissue waste.
      
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      September 30, 2023 1:58pm
- Inandout
  
  Matt, yes the idea that a baby killed in this way is abhorrent and shows how far the shouts of ‘my body, my decision’ have evolved into virtual murder. Were it not for social media these practices would remain hidden from view, as they were in the past.
  
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  September 30, 2023 10:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That is why I am against abortion as a contraceptive.
  Disgusting.
  
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  September 30, 2023 11:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  At Auckland Hospital I remember a large, tall chimney. It is there for a reason – even amputated arms, legs etc.
  
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  September 30, 2023 6:36pm
westernScientist

Argentina might be the next up and coming place, perhaps the first step on its road to recover former glory:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2023_Argentine_general_election

For those who dont know much about Argentina, it is worth a bit of a read on the history over the last 100 years or so. The place should be quite wealthy, good agriculture land and climate, good natural resources, pretty good demography etc. Basically they have been voting themselves wealthy for decades, switching between the red team and the blue team as it were and look where it has got them. That parabolic purple line in the opinion poling is a guy by the name of Milei, who is a libertarian (ish) and is basically promising to Dollarise the economy and make it way harder for politicians to print or borrow money, along with a raft of other free market reforms. He is going to run into trouble implementing things because of the way their system works (has 2 chambers which rotate on elections so he will struggle to pass things unless over the next few years his party gets voted in to replace the current lot). But definitely an interesting place worth keeping an eye on at the moment.
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September 30, 2023 8:47am
- Taieri
  
  is basically promising to Dollarise the economy and make it way harder for politicians to print or borrow money
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  They’d done that before. In 1991 the Argentinian peso was pegged to the USD. After the initial improvements the economy went into a tailspin in 2001, mainly due to maintenance of an overvalued fixed exchange rate.
  
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  September 30, 2023 10:49am
  - Jack5
    
    Keeping the NZ dollar on a fixed rate was what brought Muldoon down in 1985.
    
    Floating the kiwi dollar hasn’t stopped NZ’s chronic and continuing balance of payments deficits, but it makes us less vulnerable to big currency sepculators.
    
    There are approaches between a float and the fixed rate of exchange NZ was following. China’s currency floats within a narrow band against the US dollar. So does the Hong Kong dollar.
    
    Rich countries whose currencies are pegged to the US dollar include Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Qatar.
    
    Hong Kong has run its own currency in a band, or range, against the US dollar.
    
    Near the end of Hong Kong’s time as a British colony international speculators tried to break this Hong Kong dollar peg to the US dollar, but China stepped in and backed the $HK. Given its vast resources, the speculators retreated, suffering losses
    
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    September 30, 2023 11:40am
    - Taieri
      
      Floating the kiwi dollar hasn’t stopped NZ’s chronic and continuing balance of payments deficits
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      Government spending and low productivity are the main culprits here.
      
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      September 30, 2023 12:31pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Yeah fascinating history,
  First time there, i could not change US$ For Pesos.
  2nd time they had a bank run and running on counterfit money. US$ was like gold.
  3rd time was a cluster , trying to change Falkland Is pounds on the anniversary day too the sinking og General Belgrano in its home port.
  Was a close call that escapade.
  Great place apart from politics all the same.
  
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  September 30, 2023 11:19am
- kiwi_chileno
  
  Argentina is trapped in the legacy of the Peronism. It’s a basket case: 40% of Argentinians live in poverty, it has hyper-inflation (115%), and is propped up by the IMF. Javier Milei is definitely not a Peronist. He’s an economist and a populist radical libertarian – he calls himself an anarcho-capitalist. Milei describes climate change as a socialist lie, has called the Argentinian-born Pope the ‘Evil One’ for espousing communism, and condemns Argentina’s political class as a self-serving caste. In an almost word perfect quotation of Milton Friedman he says that “inflation—everywhere and always—is a monetary phenomenon generated by an excess amount of money [in circulation].”
  
  Milei is perhaps more like El Salvador’s President Nayib Bukele than any Chilean ‘populist’ politician like José Antonio Kast, who has been called a Pinochetista. Chileans look down on Argentina as a dysfunctional, failing State. They also see Argentina as a persistent threat to Chile’s territorial integrity.
  
  Tucker Carslon interviews Milei https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmhnvP4v-4w
  
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  September 30, 2023 2:45pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Turns out that Tuhoe wants the rest of NZ to seal their roads. Shame they’re not as happy to share the Ureweras.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/133031735/road-sealing-back-on-for-rtoki
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September 30, 2023 8:54am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What do Tuhoe put into NZ?
  Waka Kotahi and local Councils can’t even fix pot holes, and Tuhoe want their roads sealed? Do it yourself.
  Unemployment is four time the average in NZ.
  
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  September 30, 2023 11:44am
Prince

Janet Wilson, on Stuff today, demonstrates a complete lack of strategic nous in analysing National’s decision to leave their options open with NZ First.
According to the blurb at the top of her column, Wilson worked in communications with National in 2020.
Explains a lot about their performance in that campaign.
https://www.thepost.co.nz/a/nz-news/350081437/luxons-bad-case-decision-inertia?utm_source=stuff_website&utm_medium=stuff_referral&utm_campaign=mh_stuff&utm_id=mh_stuff
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September 30, 2023 9:05am
- rockape
  
  Then you need to ask why she was let go.
  
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  September 30, 2023 10:11am
  - Tricati
    
    Just another inane air-head looking for celebrity status, but like many, bloody useless.
    
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    September 30, 2023 10:19am
    - Damocles11
      
      A female Hooton.
      
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      September 30, 2023 10:30am
    - David Garrett
      
      Tricati: You obviously have no idea who Wilson is; a long time journo before she became a communications advisor.
      
      I think she is spot on the money: Luxon has committed a major strategic blow by ruling Peters in. As she says, he could have just kept on neither confirming nor denying…now that he says he will talk to him if he has to, Peters’ support can only increase. A very bad move.
      
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      September 30, 2023 10:49am
      - Ghost
        
        Problem was luxon promised to give an answer on where he stood with Winston before voting started. You are right, he should have just said all along “my focus is on a strong result for national and not on other parties”.
        
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        September 30, 2023 10:53am
      - Tom Hunter
        
        For all the claims that Luxon is following in Key’s footsteps (with the implication that he’ll be as good a PM as Key) it’s a wonder that both Luxon and English (in 2017) didn’t copy what Key did to Winston in 2008; just say that he can’t be trusted.
        
        In 2017 in particular English really shot himself in both feet by not explicitly going after Winston’s supporters and telling them that their “spine stiffening of National” argument was crap and that Winston would betray such people. Admittedly there were those of us here on KB who made that argument with the likes of Chuck Bird and it just bounced off their skulls.
        
        It might have worked better had it been made by English, but then English always was more technocrat than politician, especially when a ruthless political attack on Winston was required.
        
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        September 30, 2023 11:11am
      - Tom Hunter
        
        I’d add that the MSM are onboard for Winston for two reasons:
        – He’s always good copy. Like Trump they love him and hate him.
        
        – Building him up screws ACT (of whom they’re really afraid) in a National coalition, and might even lead to another NZ First-Labour coalition government.
        
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        September 30, 2023 11:14am
      - leoj
        
        Luxon had many chances to completely rule Peters out but blew it.
        
        Now, it has come back to bite him in the arse.
        
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        September 30, 2023 11:19am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Not so sure, I think the fact Nats snd ACT are saying they don’t want to work with him, then some who think they are doing the right thing may just flick back, it’s not guaranteed the Nats snd ACT will definitely need Peters
        
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        September 30, 2023 12:48pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Covid 19 Royal Commission.
What is being covered up here? Kiwis have no say. Govt has excluded questions.
If this is not “politicised” then I don’t know what is.
We have had nothing but LIES from the Podium of Truth since day one. Covid is over, but the bullshit not over.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/the-changes-act-wants-to-make-to-the-covid-19-royal-commission/ar-AA1hq4Pw
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September 30, 2023 9:11am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“Inflation occurs not when people are living too well, it’s when the Government is living too well.”
Ronald Reagan.

What say you Labour??
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September 30, 2023 9:27am
- Matt Long
  
  Apparently the Reserve Bank has stated the government spending of recent times has had little effect on inflation and it’s well proven that excess profit taking is the cause of inflation.
  I know this to be true because someone said it on X. //
  
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  September 30, 2023 9:34am
  - kowtow
    
    Did the spirit of the big tree in the shrine in the lobby , like the old pagan Roman house gods, whisper that to the guv’nor.
    
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    September 30, 2023 9:59am
  - Jack5
    
    Time to bring out again the great monetarist economist and 1976 Nobel Prize winner, Milton Friedman, on the one and only cause of inflation.
    
    For “Washington” substitute “Wellington”. Our inflation comes from the tens of billions of kiwi dollars created in the Covid shutdown. The creators: Labour Government and the Reserve Bank.
    
    This is a short (3min 15sec) video clip:
    
    https://youtu.be/F94jGTWNWsA?si=seiAsWuXgR4B80qs
    
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    September 30, 2023 10:51am
  - thirteenstars
    
    “…excess profit taking is the cause of inflation.”
    
    Well that’s interesting because the RB uses monetary policy as the chief mechanism by which it stays within the inflation target, loosening and restricting money supply to control demand.
    
    Sounds like the RB would be better to have a business profit mechanism whereby they could signal IRD to tax these mysterious “excess profits” using a special, hmm, surtax.
    
    Idiots. Inflation isn’t rising prices, inflation is too many dollars chasing too little production, and dollars are created by only one entity: the RB.
    
    Banker, heal thyself.
    
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    September 30, 2023 12:53pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      RB. No eye deer.
      
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      September 30, 2023 6:44pm
Jack5

Britain’s Home Secretary, Suella Braverman, is an outstanding politician in the Age of Woke.

She is standing up to the Archbishop of Canterbury, the head honcho of the Anglican Church, on the people invasion of Britain.

Braverman was born in Britain to parents from Kenya and Mauritius. She’s a Buddhist. She was educated in law at Cambridge and the Sorbonne.

The Woke and the Woolly cannot dismiss her as a mere White bigot.

Why do so many of the traditional Protestant churches wallow in Wokeness?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/29/suella-braverman-snub-talks-archbishop-canterbury-migrants/
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September 30, 2023 9:29am
- Inandout
  
  Jack, these flakes in the mainstream churches are the reason for their slow demise and why many UK churches are being converted into housing or replaced by mosques. The ‘progressives of the cloth’ are dwindling in number and the radicals in the seminaries have almost completed their given tasks.
  
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  September 30, 2023 10:09am
Matt Long

Chris Trotter laments the death of representation of the down trodden workers’ struggle against capitalism to what we both regard as something worse; identity politics and the professional managerial class that despises dissent.
https://democracyproject.nz/2023/09/28/chris-trotter-losing-the-left/
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September 30, 2023 9:31am
- krazykiwi
  
  “Chris Trotter laments the death of representation of the down trodden workers’ struggle against capitalism”
  
  What is he smoking? The last 30 years has seen governments of all hues steadfastly committed to socialism, and by inference capitalism has been incrementally neutered.
  
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  September 30, 2023 9:54am
- Swifty
  
  New Zealand ‘workers’ (hate that term) have benefitted beyond measure as a result of a free and open economy.
  
  It has been the primary enabler of our nation’s wealth. It is without peer.
  
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  September 30, 2023 11:38am
- Damocles11
  
  Does anyone know where Trotters mind is at when he conjurs up these images of ‘downtrodden workers’? Does he still think we are back at the dawn of the Industrial Revolution? The mind-set of these Marxists truly defies belief.
  
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  September 30, 2023 2:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

If you are alone in your car and wearing a mask, I assume it’s to control the urge to lick the windows.
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September 30, 2023 9:53am
- krazykiwi
  
  Remember, wearing a mask in a car is only useful if you stole it.
  
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  September 30, 2023 9:54am
- sirknz
  
  What if they’re off to pick up the gang for a cheeky ram raid or two?
  
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  September 30, 2023 12:46pm
Yvette

Te Pāti Māori candidate Hana Maipi-Clarke’s home was broken into twice today in what her party is calling a “politically motivated attack“.

Earlier tonight the party said the 21-year-old’s home was invaded, but just before 10pm her father told 1News the address had been broken into a second time.

Te Pāti Māori released a statement this evening in regards to the first incident, saying they are “are not strangers to hate speech and online threats. Today however, a line was crossed”.
“Our Hauraki-Waikato candidate, Hana-Rawhiti Maipi Clark’s (sic) home was invaded, vandalised, and left with a threatening letter. This premeditated and targeted attack is the latest of three incidents to take place at Hana’s home just this week,” the statement read.

“When our billboards are vandalised, and when our candidates are verbally assaulted, it is not an attack on them as individuals or us as a political party. It is an attack on what we represent: our whakapapa, our culture, and the dreams of our tupuna and mokopuna.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/29/te-pati-maori-candidates-home-invaded-in-politically-motivated-attack/

As well as being of great concern obviously for the people actually involved and acknowledging the necessity for the Police to serve those people’s needs, there is surely a wider need to explain as quickly as possible any implications this has relevant to the Election –

• “the address had been broken into a second time”
• “This premeditated and targeted attack is the latest of three incidents to take place at Hana’s home just this week”
• “left with a threatening letter”.
• “It is an attack on what we represent: our whakapapa, our culture, and the dreams of our tupuna and mokopuna”
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September 30, 2023 9:55am
- rouppe
  
  A “tall man” shook and slapped [a Labour candidate]. If it were a white man it would be “far right white extremist”.
  
  It is telling that the thrust of the threatening letter isn’t disclosed. Could be anything including “you don’t represent all Maori”.
  
  Without details, it is smearing
  
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  September 30, 2023 10:44am
  - Yvette
    
    rouppe – Without details, it is smearing
    
    RNZ reports the home of Te Pāti Māori candidate Hana-Rāwhiti Maipi-Clarke was entered, vandalised, and a threatening letter left behind this week.
    The attack was premeditated, targeted and politically motivated, the candidate said. – Newsroom
    
    Without details it is a little puzzling.
    Was there an initional home invasion, and did the Police investigate?
    Was Hana-Rāwhiti Maipi-Clarke accompanyed to attend Te Hui while her home was invaded the second time?
    
    Surely – beyond concern for individuals involved – for public peace and harmony some clearer, preferably Police information should be provided
    Too little information can easily become mis- or dis- information as we are so often told – especially as Labour, seemingly so prominently, raise the term “race baiting”
    
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    September 30, 2023 11:38am
    - Ghost
      
      Specific details of these threats remain unconfirmed, pending an ongoing police investigation, as per Te Pāti Māori officials.
      
      Article
      
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      September 30, 2023 11:54am
    - rouppe
      
      I read what little we have as the “home invasion” was actually the entry that left the threatening letter. When no one was home (probably, I think).
      
      So more a burglary or breaking and entering.
      
      Notwithstanding it is unacceptable that happens to anyone, the phrasing and presentation is odd.
      
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      September 30, 2023 1:01pm
  - kowtow
    
    These incidents have the distinct whiff of a Reichstag fire about them.
    
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    September 30, 2023 11:52am
    - Damocles11
      
      Hipkins to sign an Enabling Act within hours at a specially called session of Parliament, to address this unprecedented crisis?
      
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      September 30, 2023 4:14pm
  - Damocles11
    
    It’s all designed to get hand-wringers gasping “oh my gosh, the rednecks are emboldened, we are on the cusp of a race war….I better just vote Labour and hope this can all be smoothed over.”
    
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    September 30, 2023 3:17pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Inside Job?
  
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  September 30, 2023 11:46am
- sirknz
  
  Reported the same day the Byron C Clark, the ‘expert’ in NZ’s far right community pops up in the media again.
  
  Of course, she will want the perps to be set free given that TPM wants to abolish prisons…
  
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  September 30, 2023 12:49pm
- Damocles11
  
  Saw a great comment on Twitter –
  
  ‘Calling BS on this. Just grandstanding by Te Part-Maori.’
  
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  September 30, 2023 5:19pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Well this sniff test says stop sniffing.
  Is it Hana-Rāwhiti Maipi-Clarke’s house, or a rental house?
  Many say “my home or my house” when they own nothing of that property.
  
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  September 30, 2023 6:51pm
Hugh Jarse

Given the number of racists now being found by Labour, the Greens, Te Pati Maori and Te Pati Media in Aotearoa, it seems the Race Relations Office founded 52 years ago is an utter failure and should be disbanded.
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September 30, 2023 9:58am
- Yvette
  
  Hugh Jarse
  Is the matter not a little bit more complex, that it may be a failuret of those responsible for appointing the next race relations commissioner because Foon is out of commission
  And after Ardern – so far back – announcing the Election politics would change since walkabouts had become dangerous, based on some ethnic concerns and division been among issues in the Parliament Protests, who is responsible (or irresponsible) for there being no race relations commission now?
  
  And, directly or indirectly, is it another non-delivery from a Labour government that has delivered so little else?
  
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  September 30, 2023 10:25am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Hugh, I have enjoyed your comments on this blog. Please do not be offended by this but I have often wondered whether you are Rachel Boyack’s love child.
  Your surname brought that thought to mind.
  
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  September 30, 2023 11:07am
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    No offence taken Tauhei !
    
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    September 30, 2023 11:27am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      No denial either
      
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      September 30, 2023 4:33pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
No link to click, maybe later.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/survey-shows-stopping-co-governance-is-most-important-in-helping-decide-the-votes-of-around-1036000-voters/
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September 30, 2023 10:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Well the link is here. Maybe the blog is targeting the evening audience?
  
  https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Poll-racial-divide-opening-over-co-governance.pdf
  I will re=post this in the morning.
  
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  September 30, 2023 6:57pm
NothingLeft

Interesting parallel between Russian revolution and today from a Tucker Carlson speech:

A story of Pyotr Wrangel and the Russian Revolution: “The country is in complete chaos. He goes into a movie theater and everyone in the theater is completely absorbed in the movie, like there’s no revolution happening outside.

He’s very close to the Romanovs, the family. He goes back to Moscow and he notices about 80% of the women in the Romanov family are wearing red ribbons in solidarity with the Bolsheviks who wound up murdering them. How is it that this country is being devoured by a violent revolution and the people are refusing even to acknowledge that it’s happening and the ruling class against whom it is aimed are sympathizing with it? If this doesn’t remind you of BLM, I don’t know what does.

I was reading this like wait I live in that country. That’s happening now. This is a revolution. Its aim is to hurt you.”
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September 30, 2023 10:42am
- Jack5
  
  Poster Nothing Left you’ve triggered a connection in my head …
  
  Ah, the Baltic Germans …
  
  Wrangel, as a Baltic German, was a descendant of the regimes of the Teutonic Knights who became the upper class of the Baltic states.
  
  They provided some of Russia’s leading soldiers (as did, strangely, Scots descendants, such as Barclay, a hero of the battles against Napoleon).
  
  The father-in-law of one Kiwiblog’s prominent posters may well have served under Wrangel.
  
  Regardless of how you judge Wrangle he was a thousand times better man than that other Baltic German on the White Army side, Baron Ungern, who ended up a brutal war lord trying to take over Mongolia.
  
  As a boy I met a former captain of Cossacks who had fought under the mad Ungern.
  
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  September 30, 2023 11:16am
  - Taieri
    
    a descendant of the regimes of the Teutonic Knights who became the upper class of the Baltic states.
    —————–
    
    More specifically they were the descendants of the knights of the Livonian Order, which while formally a part of the Teutonic Order from 1236, was in fact autonomous, with its own Grand Master.
    
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    September 30, 2023 11:48am
- Master Mariner
  
  Between then and now.
  The real difference is communications, think social media.
  What was happening one end of Russia too the other would take many months.
  So with that in mind and an enabling media , smallish issues are blown out disproportionaly . Embedded Media guide the narative.
  With this in mind, you are comparring apples with pears.
  
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  September 30, 2023 11:33am
- NothingLeft
  
  What strikes me most is the enduring nature of useful idiots that support revolutions, too ignorant of history to understand that they’ll be the first ground underfoot by whatever comes next. And seemingly mostly women in terms of numbers.
  
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  September 30, 2023 1:21pm
I remember when

So the rhetoric is being stepped up by the Left Parties.
Waikato-Hauraki candidate ‘s home report as having been trashed. If so, it is totally unacceptable but obviously the inference is that red-neck, right-wing supporters are the culprits.
Why?
Also, Labour candidate Angela Roberts claims she was assaulted during a discussion after an election meeting.
Again, obviously the inference is that it is a National/ACT supporter.

The pressure starting to tell?
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September 30, 2023 10:59am
- kowtow
  
  Interesting how seriously te media pahti seems to treat these incidents , when assaults on the likes of Joyce and Brash were almost literally treated as a bit of a jape and well deserved ……
  
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  September 30, 2023 11:58am
- ClanMcleod
  
  As usual, zero evidence. The same lie as used at the Wellington protest claiming schoolgirls being abused, excrement being thrown at police etc etc.
  
  Thousands of cameras but apparently not one second of evidence to support these claims.
  Almost as bad as Shaneel Lal and the break in at his house and theft of thousands of his books.
  
  Pure lies. All of it. The left are getting extremely desperate.
  
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  September 30, 2023 12:23pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I have a lot of books. But where do you store “thousands of books?”
    
    Sure it is not millions of books?
    Here we have an attention seeker, shut off the oxygen.
    
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    September 30, 2023 7:02pm
I remember when

Letter in The Post this morning draws attention to some points that puzzles them about the Trump fraud conviction.
They could find no mention of the use of due diligence.
Surely they ask, wouldn’t the lender or insurer covering the sums, be exercising their own very close scrutiny of the lending and cover proposals?
There would also be the need for accounting, valuation and legal firms to be involved.
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September 30, 2023 11:09am
- JackRabbit
  
  The Trump fraud conviction is not about logic, facts, or due diligence. It is simply get Trump convicted. Ensure he does not stand for president.
  
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  September 30, 2023 11:41am
  - Paulus
    
    Having worked some years ago within the US legal jurisdiction if an US organisation want to change the law, as it is against them (UnAmerican), then they get some tame Judge to agree to change the law in some State and call it a precedent.
    I could go for hours with examples but !
    
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    September 30, 2023 2:13pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Do you know Hillary Clinton, but can’t say so?//
      
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      September 30, 2023 7:04pm
bennerg

I received my Voting Pack yesterday, and when reviewing the huge list of List candidates, I wondered whether there was a collective misunderstanding of how to really effect change in the politcal sphere. I just see a huge waste of resource and energy in the multiplicity of minor parties and candidates.

History shows the challenge of achieving 5% of the party vote, and quite frankly I believe that it is a wrong strategy for the people behind these minor parties, if not a fantasy, to think that is the best use of resources.

They generally seem to involve a targeted policy set, not a total package – something only the major parties have a hope of constructing and delivering.

Starting a political party sadly seems to involve some ego, or an opportunity only to get media attention. Both are an anomaly IMHO.

I’m reminded of the original advice from Roger Douglas that the best way to make a change in the political landscape is to join an existing party that is closest to your ideals, and then get a whole bunch of you to also join and make a change of direction from within. I know he did not follow his own advice, but I guess that his changes were too radical for the time, and he achieved quicker what he wanted by helping to create ACT. But he had a headstart by already being in parliament, and a great team behind him to achieve that.

But this all takes hard work at the ground level, and does not necessarily achieve the media attention so many crave. What then happens is that the major parties get left to their own devices, and do not benefit from the input they should be getting to truly reflect what society as a whole wants.

I wonder if those wanting to make change are not aware of the long road that is required to do this. In the end it is the only one. The nation is a large ship that requires time and effort to change direction. If you do not take the people with you, any change is temporary. Just see what has happened to Labour over the last few years. Their ideologically driven policies were not what they were elected to deliver. And their fate is now evident in the polls.

I hope that in future we do not get this managerie of parties, as it only serves to confuse the electorate, and potentially deliver unwanted consequences through wasted voting.
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September 30, 2023 11:23am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  “I’m reminded of the original advice from Roger Douglas that the best way to make a change in the political landscape is to join an existing party that is closest to your ideals, and then get a whole bunch of you to also join and make a change of direction from within”
  
  Probably the only piece of advice the rabid Left/Alliance members took from Roger Douglas when they joined the old Green Party and ate it from the inside out.
  
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  September 30, 2023 4:38pm
kowtow

What’s going on with the Nats in the Dunedin seat .

Another no show by Woodhouse.

‘National candidate Matthew French, of the Taieri electorate, did not give an explanation for list MP Michael Woodhouse’s absence, but called it an, “unfortunate situation”.’

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/candidates-tackle-issues
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September 30, 2023 12:08pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  French his doing a lot of work on the street, he is suggesting he is getting unbelievable support door knocking In Dunedin, let’s not forget how this seat now goes deep into deep blue farm land
  
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  September 30, 2023 12:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Washington Post. They don’t like the truth.

Trump is going to roll in. I suspect Biden will be there until the last minute.
Something about indictments can not happen to a serving President. All of the Bidens are crooks.

https://patriotsnewsstand.com/redrebelnews/washington-post-cant-even-believe-their-own-polls/
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September 30, 2023 12:33pm
- Paulus
  
  The Biden’s are not crooks they are Democrats, so can never be crooks.
  
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  September 30, 2023 2:15pm
Taieri

Another no show by Woodhouse.
————

Looks like he’s given up…
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September 30, 2023 12:34pm
- Damocles11
  
  Maybe he’s going through a mental health or personal crisis right now. I hope those lefty Dunedinites give him a sympathy vote. Would love to see the underdog get up rather than a dog.
  
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  September 30, 2023 3:55pm
Flossie

Great article by Bruce Cotterill in NZ Herald Business section this morning. As I don’t know how to do links I will just say worth reading if you’d like an excellent perspective on the Wednesday Leaders’ Debate. I especially loved his description of Hipkins as acting like a student protester.
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September 30, 2023 12:37pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Ivanka went to Lahaina, Maui to distribute meals and supplies.
Joe went and was booed at. There is the difference between someone who cares, and someone who does not give a shit.

https://patriotsnewsstand.com/theteapartydaily/you-wont-see-ivanka-trump-parading-around-like-oprah/
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September 30, 2023 12:46pm
Maggie Pie

I only just learned this morning while I was out, that MP Willow-Jean Prime had invested $34MILL in a program known as ‘Te Matatini’.
Apparently it’s a Labor initiative, set up to suppport grassroots Kapa-Haka and Te-Reo revitalisation.

My question is…. was it actually Willow’s own money she invested, or that of Taxpayers?
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September 30, 2023 1:04pm
- Ghost
  
  Yeah, previously it was funded to $2.9 million, so a huge jump in funding
  
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  September 30, 2023 1:07pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    https://twitter.com/Amanda_Errat/status/1644059140690710528
    
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    September 30, 2023 1:16pm
    - Ghost
      
      Don’t you just hate those wind-up dolls that keep going and going.
      
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      September 30, 2023 1:18pm
- BananaLlama
  
  Is this the same Willow-Jean that was bleating in the NZ Herald about her constituents?
  
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  September 30, 2023 1:43pm
  - Damocles11
    
    “I hate you all…..now vote me for!”
    
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    September 30, 2023 4:25pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  $34M is a trunk load of money. As an example, it would an interesting OIA Request to track the recipient of every dollar paid out of that budget.
  
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  September 30, 2023 4:40pm
Surely Knott

Te Pati Maori candidate tries to create a Trump moment claiming “”This escalation of danger is what happens when right-wing politicians race-bait and fearmonger for votes. They have emboldened this type of behaviour. Now it is time we embolden ourselves.””

This is extremely damaging accusation against right wing supporters so she should supply evidence.

*3 incidents in a week. (Which incidents if any were reported to police. This is extremely unusal and concerning.)
* people ram raided her house “came in and threatened her.” (Any physical description of these multiple people? Any security footage from her home? )
* letter left (Why is there a letter left if they came into the house and spoke to her in person? Where is the pic of the letter? What did it say?)
* fence damaged (Where is the pic of the fence?)
* police were asked for comment. but no police comment. (There must be a police comment. These are extremely damaging accusations made to cause a political response a week before election. What is the evidence. Are the police actually involved.)

This is dirty politics if she is not telling the truth. And if she is the people who did it must be exposed. The police need to do their job to ensure election integrity. The media should have waited for a police response or evidence but this smells like a political hit job.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/09/te-p-ti-m-ori-says-candidate-hana-r-whiti-maipi-clarke-s-home-invaded-vandalised-in-politically-motivated-attack.html
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September 30, 2023 1:21pm
- greybeard
  
  Or maybe it was not connected to anything political at all and was a personal matter.
  
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  September 30, 2023 1:28pm
- Ghost
  
  Police have confirmed an investigation
  
  Police have confirmed an investigation is underway after Te Pāti Māori said one of the party’s candidates was the victim of a home invasion.
  
  A spokesperson told Newshub: “Police are making enquiries into a report of a burglary of a residential address in Huntly, reported on September 25.”
  
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  September 30, 2023 1:42pm
  - Keith White
    
    That’s “interesting”. Out in the real world, the Blue Patched Gang don’t bother to investigate burglaries, they just tell us to call our insurance.
    
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    September 30, 2023 2:13pm
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    Ah yes that bastion of right wing white supremacy, Huntly. To be frank I would be more surprised if they didn’t get burglared there.
    
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    September 30, 2023 2:36pm
    - Damocles11
      
      Were the alleged perpetrators wearing MAGA hats by any chance?
      
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      September 30, 2023 4:29pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Let’s hope they announce their initial findings this week. Anything else, particularly if there is any suggestion that the events in question either were not political or did not take place, would rort the voters in the electorate she is contesting.
    
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    September 30, 2023 4:44pm
- Harlequin
  
  My bullshitometer is currently so far off the scale that the needle has bent.
  
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  September 30, 2023 3:39pm
- rouppe
  
  My interpretation is that the letter was the “threatening”.
  
  And they used “ram raid” to over egg the burglary. I doubt a car went through the front door of her house.
  
  Why the media aren’t calling out these fabrications I couldn’t say…
  
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  September 30, 2023 4:44pm
- Damocles11
  
  Look at the stuff Waititi pumps out and consider who the real racists are –
  
  https://twitter.com/nzdrewster/status/1707963496930197571
  
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  September 30, 2023 5:31pm
Ghost

I’ve noticed something concerning the past two weeks, bing and Google showing very old news as current, for example in this screenshot I just took, a herald article of national mp Mike Sabin accused of assault

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September 30, 2023 1:34pm
- mawm
  
  Bing is Google.
  
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  September 30, 2023 2:08pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Microsoft Bing is emphatically not Google
    
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    September 30, 2023 4:45pm
Maggy Wassilieff

There’s a very interesting juxtapositioning on the RNZ site of 2 articles about violent attacks.

One is about the home invasion of the Te Pati Maori candidate’s home

The other is about the physical attacks on Indian Dairy owners.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/indonz/499037/an-unrelenting-fear-persists-aggravated-robberies-continue-to-haunt-victims

I’m pleased to see that a co-leader of the Maori Party is outraged at the home invasion of Hana Clarke’s home…

I just wish she would be so outraged when our Dairy Owners are robbed and assaulted and when local mothers are killed by Mongrel Mobsters and local children are shot up by gangsters…. because I haven’t heard a dicky bird from her or her party about these assaults.
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September 30, 2023 1:35pm
Jack5

Were gangs in the counter-protest to the Stop-Governance marchers in Wellington today?

A Stuff photograph shows a side view of person with a typical gang-member build , on a typical style motorbike (though an Indian rather than gangs’ traditional Harley), and making some sort of salute that resembles those of NZ gangs.

Is this fellow a gang member?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300980431/counter-protest-turnout-swells-well-beyond-size-of-original-protest
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September 30, 2023 1:43pm
- Keith White
  
  That’s Antifa, the Aotelorian franchise.
  
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  September 30, 2023 2:15pm
jv

“You’re vote …… National’s (in blue)…….” Duh
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September 30, 2023 4:26pm
Ghost

Pass. Let people celebrate and recover from new years.

The ACT Party says its small business policy package will abolish Fair Pay Agreements, put a hold on minimum wage increases for three years, and remove the 2 January public holiday.

The party said the reason for the removal of the public holiday would be to “absorb the cost of Matariki” public holiday, which was first celebrated as a public holiday last year.

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September 30, 2023 4:32pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  For 90% of employees, removal of 2 Jan from the Stat holiday list simply means another day of annual leave will be consumed over the holiday break.
  
  Though perhaps not for many public servants. I was surprised recently to discover that at least some Ministries still offer the three days between Christmas & New Year as ‘Departmental Days’, ie since the office is closed & staff have no choice about not working, those days aren’t counted against annual leave usage. I had thought that these must surely have gone the way of the dinosaur following on from Rogernomics. Naive me.
  
  When combined with five weeks of annual leave (which a lot of public servants received when minimum leave went from three to four weeks; anyone on four weeks was bumped up to five), that’s a lot of leave.
  
  Which in part explains why it’s hard to get (particularly) female public servants on the phone in the school holidays.
  
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  September 30, 2023 4:54pm
igm

Counter demonstrators against those anti co-governance were numerically larger, according to “Stuff”.
So what, the pro co-governance would be unemployable benefit budging leeches, whereas the anti will be decent taxpaying New Zealanders who have more to do with their time than confront Labour/Green/TPA thugs.
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September 30, 2023 4:39pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Has anyone checked in on Biscuit? I’m worried about his mental health.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/provincial/133037265/hawkes-bay-stun-wellington-to-grab-ranfurly-shield-in-a-classic-encounter
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September 30, 2023 4:55pm
miltonF

I had no idea Kianga Ora was giving people up to $200k to purchase a home. To be paid back at some later time.

I think it’s funny that 1/4 of the country believe labour want to make housing more affordable. The truth is, all of their policies have the opposite effect. They appear to be doing everything they can to artificially boost demand for housing. Low interest rates, record immigration, handing out taxpayers money left/right/centre to buy housing.

Could anyone actually show me a single policy of theirs which is designed to bring down the nominal cost of housing? No…I didn’t think so.

The other matter is where are these billions coming from to pay these handouts when we’re technically broke? Yes…inflation. It’s really hard not be furious about this level of economic sabotage…honestly.
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September 30, 2023 4:56pm
Colville

But what about the rugby!

Not that shit fest in France…but the belter in Wellington ! 🙂
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September 30, 2023 4:56pm
- Colville
  
  Ohhhh someone is touchy! 🤣
  
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  September 30, 2023 5:34pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Big talk about cleaning up crime, by National. But will they?
We would have learned much more if that Simon rent a mouth would let some answers come through.
Police training needs an overhaul. The assault laws need an overhaul. (don’t you touch me!)
I am NOT going to have a rant here – maybe another day.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/mark-mitchell-s-push-for-nz-to-follow-australia-in-banning-gang-patches/ar-AA1hsYlk
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September 30, 2023 5:01pm
- Inandout
  
  SO, I have my doubts about an overhaul.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/105099650/new-police-officer-pops-the-question-during-graduation-ceremony
  
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  September 30, 2023 5:53pm
Keith White

Gosh. Who’d have thunk it. /sarc

“COVID-19 vaccine was detected in patients who died within a month of vaccination, according to a new study.

“U.S. researchers analyzed tissue samples from the autopsies of 25 people, including 20 who were vaccinated.

“Samples from the hearts of three patients, all of whom died within 30 days of a Pfizer shot, tested positive for messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA).

“Eight bilateral axillary lymph node samples, from people who died within 30 days of a Moderna or Pfizer vaccine, also tested positive. The companies’ shots utilize mRNA.

“The research shows “the vaccine can persist for up to 30 days, including in the heart,” Dr. James Stone, from the departments of pathology at Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School.

(…maybe he should chat with Ardern at the next Harvard hui).
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September 30, 2023 6:11pm
- kevn
  
  Keith… I have always suspected the so called, on their own planet, ‘elites’, were given saline jabs as the news was well out late 2020, that mrna jabs were problematic.
  Fake jabbing. Like this video shows.
  https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/covid-19/watch-trudeaus-covid-jab-was-obviously-fake/
  
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  September 30, 2023 7:36pm
Maggie Pie

Just watched the start of 1Ewes earlier…..

amazing how much Katie Bradford is starting to look ans sound just like her mum.
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September 30, 2023 6:27pm
Ghost

Researchers have developed an airborne mRNA vaccine offering a vehicle by which to rapidly vaccinate the masses without their knowledge or consent.

A team from Yale University has developed a new airborne method for delivering mRNA right to your lungs. The method has also been used to vaccinate mice intranasally, “opening the door for human testing in the near future.”

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September 30, 2023 6:32pm
greybeard

“Stuff” has reached its nadir: a week-old article on the homepage about a $50 filled roll.
And the idiot who paid $50 for it.
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September 30, 2023 7:19pm
kevn

Less than 2k a day… Must be a cheap pilot in the mix.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/revealed-how-acts-david-seymour-was-gifted-a-plane-for-the-election-campaign/OFRH26M5BNBXJBYV6CZ7NBNI2A/
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