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rouppe

Germany bans far right group

Under the cover of a pseudo-religious Germanic belief in gods, the Artgemeinschaft spread its Nazi worldview, the ministry said.

“The group’s central goal was the preservation and promotion of one’s own ‘kind’, which can be equated with the National Socialist term ‘race’,” according to the statement.

In addition to the ideology of racial doctrine, the symbolism, narratives and activities of the group showed further parallels to the Nazis’ ideology.

The group gave its members instructions on how to choose a “proper spouse” within the Northern and Central European “human kind” in order to pass on the “correct” genetic makeup according to the association’s racist ideology. People of other origins were degraded, the ministry said in its statement.

That sounds a lot like the ideology of the Maori Party.

For “pseudo-religious Germanic belief in gods” put “pseudo-religious Maori belief in Gods” which we get with pushing Earth Mother and Sky Father and rivers and mountains having person status.

For “ideology of racial doctrine, the symbolism, narratives and activities of the group”, well, put the same thing as Rawiri says Maori are genetically superior, and you can’t do anything without a waiata or powhiri these days.

For “People of other origins were degraded” see Marama Davidson as well as Rawiri, Debbie, Willie Jackson, and John Tamihere.

The Mazi Party, front and centre of NZ politics, coming to a Labour coalition near you.
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September 29, 2023 8:00am
- Che Guava
  
  How is that any different to Zionism? Israel is a Jewish state established as a homeland for ethnic Jews, and to advance the group interests of the Jewish people, a people known for in-group preference and inter-marriage within the group. Asians and Blacks have similar views. There is nothing wrong with any of these things, but why is it only a problem when Europeans advocate for their own? How do we explain the double standards, and what is the double standard trying to achieve? If anything, it’s actually a hateful proposition to suggest that Germans cannot advocate for Germans if they want to.
  
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  September 29, 2023 10:55am
  - Rusty
    
    @Che…
    
    The difference is the Jews/ state of Israel didn’t round up every Palestinian in that country and exterminate them in gas ovens like the Nazis did to the Jews.
    
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    September 29, 2023 11:20am
    - Che Guava
      
      What does that have to do with Zionism’s inherent attribute (i.e. ethno-nationalism as an overtly Jewish state), and thus it’s similarity to the doctrine of this banned German party? How is Germanic nationalism and in-group preference supposedly morally reprehensible, while the Jewish version is seen as a moral imperative? How do you reconcile the clear contradiction here? Either ingroup preference based on ethnicity and a nationalist sentiment is wrong, or it isn’t. I happen to think it is perfectly natural, but because I’m European that somehow makes me a bad person: make it make sense, please.
      
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      September 29, 2023 11:57am
      - bjools
        
        I see what you are saying, but have a slight correction for you.
        Of the twelve tribes, my understanding, they were of different races.
        The Jewish state as it stands today, is derived from these tribes.
        NB Palestinians are citizens of Israel, if they live in Israel.
        From wikipaedia.
        Palestinian citizens of Israel, also known as 48-Palestinians[1] (Arabic: فلسطينيو 48, romanized: Filastiniyyū Thamaniya Wa-Arba’in) are Arab citizens of Israel that self-identify as Palestinian.[2][3] According to Israel’s Central Bureau of Statistics, the Arab population in 2019 was estimated at 1,890,000, representing 20.95% of the country’s population.[4] The majority of these identify themselves as Arab or Palestinian by nationality and Israeli by citizenship.[5][6][7] Many Arabs have family ties to Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip as well as to Palestinian refugees in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon.[8]
        
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        September 29, 2023 1:09pm
      - Jack5
        
        Meanwhile Germany’s ties with Israel seem to be flourishing.
        
        The land that gave the world the V1 and V2 missiles is buying rocket technology from Israel.
        
        Germany has just bought a joint Israel-US Arrow 3 anti-missile shield. The cost is about 4 billion euros ($NZ7 billion), and is Israel’s biggest military export deal yet.
        
        The Arrow 3 (also called Hetz 3) is a hypersonic anti-ballistic missile, jointly developed by Israel Aerospace Industries and Boeing. The deal with Germany was, of course, approved by the United States.
        
        The Arrow 3 is said to be capable of intercepting ballistic missiles during the space-flight portion of their trajectory.
        
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        September 29, 2023 1:24pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Jack,
        
        German shipyards have built nearly all of Israel’s naval fleet, including all of its submarines, which are Israel’s most strategic military asset.
        
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        September 29, 2023 1:56pm
      - Jack5
        
        The warms relationship between Germany and Israeli is heartening.
        
        But would the Israelis have got better boats from the Swedes, with their Stirling-engine powered silent subs?
        
        https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/deadly-silent-swedens-stealth-submarines-are-getting-even-quieter-186773
        
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        September 29, 2023 2:10pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Not sure about quietness, but the Israeli Navy’s submarines are built to their own quite unique specifications. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakar-class_submarine for example.
        
        Israel’s subs are an important part of their nuclear triad. The general understanding is that they carry nuclear armed cruise missiles and that there is always one of them on duty in the Arabian Sea … within reach of Iran in particular.
        
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        September 29, 2023 4:59pm
      - virtualmark
        
        I should have also mentioned … Israel’s more recent subs, and the upcoming Dakar class, have an equivalent to the Swede’s Stirling engine. The technical term is Air Independent Propulsion, or AIP.
        
        But modern diesel-electric subs use lithium ion batteries, which hold much more energy than the older types of batteries. So their underwater endurance and speed is much better than it used to be and there’s less need for AIP systems that take up material amounts of space and weight.
        
        And the Stirling engine has fallen out of favour because while it’s very silent it doesn’t put out a lot of power, so the submerged speed on the Stirling is only something like 3-5 knots.
        
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        September 29, 2023 5:21pm
      - Jack5
        
        Thanks for that information in your 5.21 post, Virtualmark.
        
        Subs and Stirling engines – double fascination.
        
        Curiosity leads me to the Net, and I have found a summary at Wikipedia (link below).
        
        Surprisingly it says both China and Japan have and/or are building “Stirling AIP” engines.
        
        Stirling engines have fascinated folk since they were invented 207 years ago. I was surprised to learn they were used in the Swedish subs, one of which was leased to the US Navy in 2005-2006 to give the Americans practice finding and tracking quiet subs.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-independent_propulsion
        
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        September 29, 2023 8:07pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Yes, by all accounts the Swedish sub was able to easily penetrate the US carrier group and “sink” the carrier. The US loves expensive complicated nuclear subs, nd has lost touch with just how quiet and elusive diesel-electric ones are.
        
        If you’re interested in that sort of stuff you should Google “Paul van Riper” and “Millenium Challenge 2002”.
        
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        September 29, 2023 9:38pm
    - KH
      
      No Rusty. Israel just creates the world’s biggest prison in Gaza and throws bombs in there regularly.
      
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      September 29, 2023 2:17pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Source: Loony-left history re-writing 101. Most universities.
        
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        September 29, 2023 5:25pm
  - rouppe
    
    Actually the majority have in group preference. Take a random sample of 10 people in a relationship at your work, the majority will be in a relationship with the same Ethnic group.
    
    My overall point was, why is this German group vilified, but the Maori Party isn’t, for similar behaviours?
    
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    September 29, 2023 12:20pm
- graham
  
  “The group’s central goal was the preservation and promotion of one’s own ‘kind’ …
  
  Oh, in the same way that we hear Maori talking about ‘Our People ™’ with great regularity?
  
  We need to ensure Māori decide on whether oil drilling happens in our rohe and work on creating sustainable jobs that pay our people a living wage.
  
  I can also help untangle the politics affecting our people at the national level.
  
  I believe Māori women are kaitiaki for our people and for Papatūānuku …
  
  “Te Pāti Māori directly talks to our people. And so we’re trying to rebuild our people, as I said, after years of colonial violence on our people. So why can’t we call ourselves magic? Why can’t we call ourselves proud? Why can’t we believe in ourselves? And why can’t we say to our people that your genetics is something you can be proud of?”
  
  https://www.maoritelevision.com/tv/shows/ikaroa-rawhiti-election/candidate-profiles/marama-davidson
  
  https://www.chrislynchmedia.com/news-items/te-pti-mori-co-leader-rawiri-waititi-defends-deleted-racist-comments
  
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  September 29, 2023 11:26am
rouppe

Because I’m trying to get an angiogram done to determine if my heart is in trouble, it got me to thinking about the health system. Specifically the split of the health budget into 70% Health NZ and 30% Maori Health Authority.

When a Maori visits the GP, or ED, or has an operation or whatever, which budget does it come out of? Surely the MHA budget ought to pay for those things.

But I’d bet a dollar to a pound of goat poo that this doesn’t happen. That the now significantly less NZ health budget pays for it. Making it more difficult for non Maori to get treatment.

What is the Maori Health Authority money get spent on? Anyone know?
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September 29, 2023 8:02am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I just devoted 20 minutes to finding an answer to your question, a task that I am usually good at :-).
  
  But no luck 🙁
  
  I became totally lost in a maze. 🙁
  
  It looks like an extraordinarily complex system. No health system should be like this. The resources consumed by bureaucracy must be astounding.
  
  Browse through these “corporate documents” to get a picture. Sure if I devoted all day to the task, I could perhaps understand it. Obviously I am not doing that.
  
  https://www.teakawhaiora.nz/about-us/corporate-documents/
  
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  September 29, 2023 10:34am
  - pdm
    
    BY – of course it is a complex maze.
    
    The people designing it had no idea what they were trying to achieve outside of favouring Maori and making sure there were no loopholes for non Maori to benefit from.
    
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    September 29, 2023 10:49am
  - Countrygirl
    
    I didn’t browse long, too many obscure foreign words that I didn’t understand and an impending feeling of bucket loads of money going in to pockets rather than into health. Very depressing.
    
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    September 29, 2023 10:56am
  - rouppe
    
    Thank you for your service!
    
    And you’re right. It’s ridiculous that it’s so complicated. That’s where the money goes, in inefficient complicated processes/rules.
    
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    September 29, 2023 4:49pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The MHA hasn’t done a lot..
  
  It’s been struggling to get its bureaucracy into shape.
  
  https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2308/S00037/damning-maori-health-authority-report-released.htm
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/132727363/mori-health-experts-say-te-aka-whai-ora-hasnt-been-given-a-chance-to-work
  
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  September 29, 2023 10:36am
  - Keith White
    
    “Maori Health Apartheid will work. It’s just never been done properly. Like Communism.”
    
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    September 29, 2023 4:10pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  @rouppe
  
  At the coal face, we have seen no evidence of any racial differentiation wrt to the care and treatment of hubby’s recent triple bypass.
  
  viz: Angina problem tentatively identified by Maori GP at our local medical centre .
  
  Hubby was referred to Pakeha specialist at Hauora Tairawhiti (once known as Gisborne Hospital), then referred immediately to Waikato Hospital for further tests.
  
  At Waikato, Hubby was in care of ward nurses and pharmacists predominately from Asian subcontinent..and seen & operated on by Doctors from Ireland and NZ.
  
  He was flown back to Gisborne in the care of a local Maori nurse and thence back to the local medical centre, where he’s been lucky enough to be seen by the same GP who first identified his problem.
  
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  September 29, 2023 10:56am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    There is much muddled thinking about “racism” in the health system. Yes Maori have worse health outcomes than other ethnicities for multiple reasons, all of which have been explored at length. For example, Maori get fewer check ups at doctors. Maori women get fewer pap smears to check for early signs of cervical cancer. Are Maori women really refused such check ups because of racism?
    
    When Kiri Allan was diagnosed with Stage 3 cervical cancer, she told the media that she had not had regular checks:
    
    “”To be honest, I’m one of those gals that hates anything to do with ‘down there’. And have taken a ‘see no evil, hear no evil’ type approach to that part of my body.””
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/kiri-allan-encourages-wahine-to-get-smear-test-after-cancer-diagnosis/E7HYSBLZ63UIZRCXDQGSQWEHF4/
    
    Are there racist doctors? I guess so. However I am not convinced that Maori are systemically denied access to health care because of their ethnicity. As always, I would be happy to look at any credible evidence that I am wrong.
    
    BTW Kiri Allen herself fell into the “racism” trap when discussing her prognosis. This is so revealing.
    
    “There was even more anger when Kiri (Ngāti Ranginui, Ngāti Tūwharetoa) found out her chances of survival as a Māori woman were 27% lower than the average survival rate – something she discovered through her own research rather than from her doctors. Then there was further frustration when she couldn’t find out any more than that about what to expect as a wahine Māori, because the research simply doesn’t exist.”
    
    https://womanmagazine.co.nz/kiri-allan-on-her-journey-of-pain-and-healing-after-her-cervical-cancer-diagnosis/
    
    That makes no sense. Maori women have a poorer survival rate from cervical cancer because their cancer is more often picked up when it is more advanced. Maori women also have higher comorbidities such as obesity and smoking.
    
    However if two women – one Maori and one not Maori – are diagnosed with Stage 3 cancer, and each are the same age and in similar general health, I would bet dollars to char su buns that they have similar survival rates. Because they are both biological humans, with 99.99 percent common DNA.
    
    As for this:
    
    “Then there was further frustration when she couldn’t find out any more than that about what to expect as a wahine Māori, because the research simply doesn’t exist.”
    
    What could she expect? The same care and attention as every other woman being treated at the hospital.
    
    Let’s say a Chinese woman is in hospital being treated for cancer. Is she going to ask:
    
    “”Then there was further frustration when she couldn’t find out any more than that about what to expect as a Chinese woman, because the research simply doesn’t exist.””
    
    Of course not. It would be absurd.
    
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    September 29, 2023 11:17am
    - imalwaysright
      
      B.Y
      
      A good exposé of willful ignorance being used to denigrate our health professionals.
      
      She should apologise.
      
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      September 29, 2023 11:30am
    - wsk12345
      
      Our prostate cancer surgeon said that Maori have worse outcomes, not due to late diagnosis but the cancer is more aggressive. Not sure if this is due to poorer general health though. The surgeon is South African.
      
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      September 29, 2023 11:32am
      - Sacha
        
        That may be just his opinion.
        Medicine is a huge international field of knowledge and not every doctor knows all about everything.
        GPs have a wide ranging knowledge of everyday conditions – enough to recognise something needing advanced treatment, and to refer to a surgeon or specialist in the relevant condition.
        
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        September 29, 2023 11:46am
      - Cassandra
        
        Peer reviewed research or his observation? I find it hard to believe that all Maori with prostate cancer have a more aggressive form than anyone else. Unless the cancer god is Moriori which is equally hard to believe. My experience – I worked in the field for many years and now I am a patient – is that cancer does not discriminate with rare eg stomach cancer for one Maori family, exceptions.
        
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        September 29, 2023 11:59am
      - Jack5
        
        There are also different prostate cancer outcomes – and incidence – among Black and non-Black Americans.
        
        One question that’s been raised is whether this could related to Vitamin D creation from sunlight on skin.
        
        Darker skins give more protection against ultra-violet light, and thus also reduce resultant Vitamin D creation.
        
        The second part of the theory assumes that Vitamin D has some sort of role in prevention of prostate cancer.
        
        This link gives a very brief summary:
        
        https://www.nature.com/articles/s41568-022-00493-y
        
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        September 29, 2023 12:02pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        According to the Prostate Cancer Foundation the three most significant risk factors are Age, Family history (including genetics), Race.
        
        According to the New Zealand Prostate Cancer Society
        
        Māori men have a slightly lower incidence of prostate cancer but have a higher death rate than other New Zealand men. The reasons for this may be a later diagnosis or treatment choices offered to them.
        
        There’s more. My reading is that, given the relationship between genetics and ethnicity it is inevitable that ethnic origin will have some bearing on prostate cancer rates and outcomes.
        
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        September 29, 2023 2:13pm
      - wsk12345
        
        I believe it was based on some research or data. Given he does pretty much just prostate cancer removals i guess he sees quite a few. He mentioned they have a lower incidence and that Asians are on the other side (higher incidence, lower mortality) which wouldn’t be explained by vitamin D but could be overall health.
        
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        September 29, 2023 9:10pm
    - Ehlana
      
      I wonder what research she was expecting? Women with some Maori descent are only a tiny proportion of women on the planet, so it’s unlikely there is any specific research into them and cervical cancer, unless there was suspicion of some inherited problem from their genetics.
      
      Which couldn’t be, because the Maori Party (IIRC) said the Maori have superior genetics.
      
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      September 29, 2023 2:46pm
      - Keith White
        
        NZ men die ~5 years earlier than NZ women. Where’s the outcry and the preferential health care access for the Y-chromosomed victims of the overfocus on the health of the XX-privileged??
        
        (/sarc).
        
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        September 29, 2023 4:13pm
  - rouppe
    
    Also my experience.
    
    I would actually be surprised if any medical professionals as you describe were employed by MHA.
    
    Seems to be administrators only, who are administering, what exactly?
    
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    September 29, 2023 12:26pm
    - Dave
      
      rouppe, Humphrey Appleby explains here the importance of administrators and auxiliary staff in hospitals, regardless of the absence of patients.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAk448volww
      
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      September 29, 2023 7:05pm
      - rouppe
        
        Oh of course administration is important. But administration needs to be supporting the clinical activities.
        
        What clinical activities is the MHA undertaking?
        
        And again, how does the funding for a Maori visiting their gp get taken from the MHA instead of the funding everyone else. Almost certainly it doesn’t, or can’t because of systems limitations. Which affects the ability of Health NZ to deliver services to the rest of us
        
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        September 30, 2023 9:28am
  - KH
    
    We are constantly beaten around the head that Maori are a different culture. With a different culture you would expect different beliefs, attitudes, values and behaviours.
    So you would expect different ways of relating to the health system. So for example – later diagnosis.
    But in our game of let’s pretend it’s just the system that is blamed. Quite vicious blame it is too.
    
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    September 29, 2023 2:47pm
- Tricati
  
  Rouppe – I hope your health concerns come good and that you get the appropriate treatment that you need.
  In regard to finding anything out about the Maori Health Authority, good luck, unless you are after some celestial treatment.
  
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  September 29, 2023 12:09pm
  - rouppe
    
    Thank you. It does feel like head against a brick wall.
    
    Listen to your body, they say. Well I seem to be the only one listening.
    
    I’d more or less given up and then the Barry Soper heart bypass happened. I read the articles about his journey, which seemed relatively brief:
    * breathlessness walking uphill
    * feeling lightheaded
    * blood tests normal
    * treadmill ecg terminated early
    * angiogram
    * immediate* surgery (*more or less)
    
    I went back to my GP and said I tick off every one of those same things except the last two, because CCDHB basically seem to look for reasons to not proceed, rather than look for reasons for the symptoms.
    
    I’ve asked him to put the specialists under pressure, to ask them directly why Barry gets a certain level of treatment (in Auckland) whereas I get a different one (in Wellington). I’ve told him I’m happy to fly to Auckland for the angiogram.
    
    If this fails then the next step is to pay for one myself.
    
    Thinking it was sleep related I’ve tried CPAP (self funded), diet changes (twice), and bought a new mattress.
    The only thing I’ve not gone back to is exercise, which I gave up because I just couldn’t do it anymore. I went to cross-fit style gym for 10 years, age 50-60. During that time I’ve had a collapsed lung, got back up and trekked Everest Base Camp. Trained for another 6 years or so before running out of puff and being in pain after every session.
    
    Something is wrong. I just need to find out what.
    
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    September 29, 2023 5:02pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Rather than trying to match Labour’s spending promises, National should simply say that they would love to, but that the bank is empty as Labour has already squandered all the money.

Repeat it over and over, so it may sink into the swing voter just how profligate Labour have been.
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September 29, 2023 8:03am
- Colville
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  If the bank is empty why are National using tax cuts as an election bribe?
  
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  September 29, 2023 9:57am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    The Nats have already said that they will keep the 39% tax rate in the short term, given the state of the books.
    
    They will change the brackets.
    
    However, in tight economic times, the spendthrift policies of the current government HAVE to be reined in, as evidenced by the list published here yesterday.
    
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    September 29, 2023 10:06am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      I have no idea why the Nats are not telling us how many tax cuts could be funded by the cancellation of Auckland light rail.
      
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      September 29, 2023 10:17am
      - Sacha
        
        Could that be because as yet there is no actual funding of the proposed light rail?
        I suspect that the real financial books have not been accessible as yet, and that there might be some unpleasant surprises in store for a new National Government. If the Labour Government is re-elected we will resume the current tax-and-spend policy.
        
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        September 29, 2023 11:51am
      - mawm
        
        Cap’n – or how much we could save by letting the earth burn on its own without our dollar bills being added.
        
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        September 29, 2023 1:52pm
  - leoj
    
    Whose money is it?
    
    Why should government spending remain the same when tax revenues drop (which they are).
    
    If revenues are decreasing, so should spending.
    
    Does that not happen in your house?
    
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    September 29, 2023 12:02pm
    - Ghost
      
      Central and local govts should return to core spending. This crap of giving discounts gor cars, solar, etc should not be a tax payer funded gimmick when the country is broke. So much crap like this should be cut out
      
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      September 29, 2023 12:08pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Not a bribe – not moving the tax brackets is an effective tax increase. It’s our money so not stealing more of it isn’t a bribe.
    Also, the fastest way out of our predicament is more money in the pockets of productive people. Government spending is almost never the most effective or efficient answer to any question (other than “how best to destroy an economy?”).
    
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    September 29, 2023 1:16pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Because they can!
    They can do this by cutting or ending inefficient/unnecessary/racist policies implemented by the Ardern/Hipkins gang of thieves, bull-shitters, and racists.
    
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    September 29, 2023 3:03pm
- PeeJay
  
  Couple of problems with that approach.
  
  Firstly, the media. They would run a minor article on this change on day 1. At the end of day 1 it would change to National admitting their sums didn’t add up. Day 2 would see non-stop reporting of how Labour are awesome, Robertson saying the books are awesome, tame economists saying everything is fine, numbers never better, record spending, blah-de-blah, and not one critical comment about the debt etc. Day 3 would then turn this into a rabid attack on National saying this shows they really just want to cut services. Day 4 might even see accusations that National want to kill your granny!
  
  Second problem is your average voter. Most voters don’t read the detail – if someone says free shit, they say yes please. The usually don’t even think about how it’s being paid.
  
  National will know they will need to change their plan – the finances are even worse than expected and most of their plans, well we just don’t have the money. Pivoting to this prior to the poll won’t work. They will probably be thinking, get over the line, form a government, then start breaking the bad news, and then blame it all on Labour. Opens up all sorts of possibilities once you are in power – you can roll out some cuts due to the nature of the books. Doing this before hand won’t win power.
  
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  September 29, 2023 10:27am
  - Sacha
    
    . . . and then blame it all on Labour.
    True or not true?
    
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    September 29, 2023 11:53am
Warren

For the Last 3 years since Chris Luxon has been Leader of National the media Labour Prime Minister’s and many around New Zealand have gone after him saying he was dishonest, out of his depth and in it for himself without trying to get to know the man until they got sick of successive Labour Leaders who were and are in it for themselves not ordinary New Zealander’s.
Now we have a Prime Minister Chris Hipkins who wants to play the race card and blame everyone else except himself
because he is in a position of weakness and needs a miracle to be able to survive
as the Government.
What a bunch of hypocrites this Government are, you started the arguments on race and now it is out of control everyone else is to blame yet it was your stupidity that has created the problem.
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September 29, 2023 8:05am
- Philview
  
  I don’t talk a lot of politics at home so was interesting to hear the abuse Hipkins got at my house yesterday when that came on the News. I think that was a bad error from Labour and will be the final nail in the coffin.
  
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  September 29, 2023 11:20am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    “I say throw all those hooligans out”
    Steppenwolf: Justice don’t be slow (1974 – still got the vinyl)
    
    https://youtu.be/hhxMwUfkX0Q?si=ukO4547lXMvqWaLN
    
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    September 29, 2023 11:49am
- Damocles11
  
  After her comments whingeing about what Northlanders have said at her public meetings, I expect Willow Jean Prime to getting clobbered in the Northland electorate.
  
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  September 29, 2023 1:55pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    2 Northland polls have her in the mid teens
    
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    September 29, 2023 6:46pm
Maggie Pie

The Guardian reports…

‘Before his career in law, Winston Peters
spent time working in Australian mines’

Can U spot him here?

https://twitter.com/iamyesyouareno/status/1707435337218216191

😀 😀 😀
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September 29, 2023 8:06am
- Cassandra
  
  The blue headscarf suits him.
  
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  September 29, 2023 8:12am
- pdm
  
  He will be the one in the pristinely clean white coat Maggie.
  
  He is not noted for getting his hands dirty and definitely would not want dirt under his fingernails.
  
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  September 29, 2023 8:13am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    But Seymour and Luxon are?
    
    I think that most people seeking political high office and power come from a very similar mold. Sadly.
    
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    September 29, 2023 8:46am
    - Opie
      
      We are truly led by the least among us.
      
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      September 29, 2023 9:13am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Yes Clan,
      
      None of them would pass a psychiatric warrant of fitness.
      
      Its strange that the future of our country is dependant on the character of our prime minister rather than the character of the people.
      
      The prime minister should be a functionary, not a celebrity.
      
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      September 29, 2023 9:28am
    - mawm
      
      I laughed at Trump’s comment about the only time that Biden ever got his hands dirty was from taking dirty money. Does this also apply to the leader of NZ1st?
      
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      September 29, 2023 1:58pm
  - Frank Hematuria
    
    Winston has been known to work well into the early hours of the afternoon.
    
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    September 29, 2023 9:29am
    - pdm
      
      Yeah Frank – but he only started at 11.30am.
      
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      September 29, 2023 10:52am
      - Keith White
        
        A double shot weighs ~3 oz. so a lot of lifting can go on between 1130 and 1430…
        
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        September 29, 2023 4:16pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Leading the charge into Pike River.
  
  He’s a man of his word, you know.
  
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  September 29, 2023 8:38am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Yes, he’s the only politician to ever tell a lie or fail to keep a pre election promise……cheers for pointing that out!
    
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    September 29, 2023 10:34am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      True – but that one was particularly egregious
      
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      September 29, 2023 11:47am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        What about he will dump Māori seats day one?
        
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        September 29, 2023 6:48pm
    - Libertarians are right
      
      Not the only one but certainly our worst? Until Jacinda at least?
      
      I would also suggest it’s wrong to say he failed to keep a pre-election promise because he never intended to keep those promises. It’s wishful thinking to believe Winston actually cares about any issue he promotes through his party. Those policies exist for one reason – to convince disaffected voters to vote for him. He doesn’t care about the voters at all.
      
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      September 29, 2023 1:19pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Luigi in the middle LH Cage?
  
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  September 29, 2023 8:46am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Right at the top left.
  All on his own, let’s keep it that way.
  
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  September 29, 2023 9:04am
- Benedict Yu
  
  IIRC he worked on the Snowy Mountains Hydro Electric Scheme, rather than in mines.
  
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  September 29, 2023 10:36am
- Sacha
  
  Gee, I knew he was old, but –
  
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  September 29, 2023 11:55am
Cassandra

Open letter from tribal leaders this morning praising Labour and the Green Party and criticising National, Act and NZF for “racism” which they define as treating Maori equally with other NZers. Letter drafted by Lewis Carroll. They really are on another planet. Led by Naida Glavish, who presumably ignore her European DNA. The case for special treatment is never explained – just “because”. My choice for special treatment would be need, not race. Yet somehow, according to Naida, that’s racist. One of us is confused.
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September 29, 2023 8:11am
- Jack5
  
  Stuff is on the same path, Cassandra. Orwell could have easily fitted Stuff into Nineteen Eighty-Four as Big Brother’s newspaper group.
  
  A Stuff headline today reads: ‘Dog whistling’ and ‘racism’ concerns on the campaign trail …
  
  The single quotation marks around “dog whistling” and “racism” show the publisher knows it is telling porkies, but hopefully readers won’t notice.
  
  This is its label on a report of Maori accusing NZ First and ACT of racism and warning Luxon of dealing with these parties.
  
  Leftist Maori are pushing for racial separatism, with race-based health systems, race-based control of water, and for replacement of the national language, the world lingua franca, with their own tiny language. They even want to change the name of the country.
  
  In the style of Big Brother’s Ministry of Truth in Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty-Four, Stuff, backing Maori separatism, is mirror-reversing “what is not” into “what is”.
  
  This is tinpot African corruption and political decay brought to our own country.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300979629/campaign-shifts-gear–with-some-raising-concerns-about-dog-whistling-and-racism
  
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  September 29, 2023 11:25am
- emmess
  
  Racist using the Marxist definition
  Using a normal definition, they are the racists
  
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  September 29, 2023 11:25am
- goNZ1
  
  Animal Farm happening in real time – we are all equal ,but some are more equal than others.
  
  I must say,how do other immigrants to NZ feel-Samoans,Indians,Chinese etc feel with all the Maori Wonderfulness being promoted? Or are they 2nd class citizens too?
  
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  September 29, 2023 1:12pm
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/why-the-orakei-sewer-pipe-has-always-been-an-ugly-pakeha-monstrosity-to-my-people/DEZOCFJ2ANHWZLCQXE6IZJP6MQ/

So the maori are calling sewer pipes “Pakeha” monstrosities! Sounds a bit racist to me. I’m sure if Maori had invented sewers then they would have been fine!

Sanitation networks are one of the greatest developments in human history.

Maori would prefer 1.6 million Aucklanders defecating in their backyards?
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September 29, 2023 8:11am
- herb1
  
  Maori are against sewage going into the ocean.
  I’m sure when they paddled thousands of kilometres from their home country to New Zealand , they kept the tonnes of sewage in containers in their canoes, and once in their new homeland, disposed of it ,on land in a sensitive way.
  To do otherwise would be hypocritical,wouldn’t it. Of course it’s easy to deny hypocrisy when you don’t have a written history to “ refude” your oration.
  
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  September 29, 2023 10:37am
  - Ghost
    
    I’m sure you can tell the difference to a few poohs a day in the ocean away from Land and hundreds of litres a second.
    
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    September 29, 2023 10:41am
    - Countrygirl
      
      Are you saying white people are full of s… T?
      
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      September 29, 2023 11:11am
      - Ghost
        
        No just that people should be above posts like this. We’ve all got a past where we’ve polluted. When I lived in taupo you wouldn’t swim in the Waikato river because of the sewage dump into the river. We have meat works that still dump in the ocean. But hey let’s whinge Maori once didn’t have sewage works and are complaing about a huge dump of sewage.
        
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        September 29, 2023 11:27am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Tv3 graphic this morning :
      
      100 litres per second
      Or
      1000 litres per hour!
      
      They broadcast crap yet are unable to count it.
      
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      September 29, 2023 11:19am
    - herb1
      
      [Mod – debate without making it personal]
      
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      September 29, 2023 11:26am
    - Cassandra
      
      The current Maori fad is that putting human waste into the sea is morally bad. Remember years ago Wellington had to abandon the recommended long pipeline into Cook Strait, which would have resulted in tide and sun nullifying the pollution within minutes, for a land-based system which cost a fortune and resulted in more (but different) pollution. It’s actually called hypocrisy.
      
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      September 29, 2023 12:07pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Cas,
        
        Ironically, Moa Point has just failed due to bad maintenance
        
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        September 29, 2023 1:11pm
- rouppe
  
  There’s that “my people” again. Maori shit stinks the same as everyone else’s
  
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  September 29, 2023 12:34pm
- rouppe
  
  It’s interesting that the url doesn’t represent the text of the article. I didn’t see pakeha monstrosity anywhere.
  
  It was either taken out of the text, or added to the url by someone…
  
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  September 29, 2023 12:39pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Its the start of a Brownmail gambit.
  Express concern about something, get the outrage machine working via the Media, then Council sets up a Māori Sewage Monitoring Unit and sinecures are given to those who complained plus (probably) the right to charge Fees for inspections and all sorts of other things.
  Good scam eh
  And you’re paying for it.
  
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  September 29, 2023 1:14pm
- Handyman
  
  Interview of Deputy Mayor this morning on RNZ. Desley Simpson said water rates will go up to fix decades of old pipes. Will ask for the government assistance.
  RNZ interviewer then said if Auckland had 3 Waters you would not need any government assistance.
  What she ignored was that 3 waters under Maori control would ensure pakeha Auckland was at the bottom of the priority list (same principle as the health system).
  In the meantime Auckland would be fined for polluting the sacred water.
  
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  September 29, 2023 6:12pm
Damocles11

Today’s cartoon in The New Red Herald has a boxing theme: a scowling Rocky-like Hipkins has just delivered a thunderous punch to a stunned Luxon, who is lying on the floor of the ring, head spinning.
Emmerson is the creator of this puerile fantasy, as usual.

Please let the Herald know how you feel about the insane bias they are showing in the run up to an election. It is the worst I have seen in my lifetime, by far.
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September 29, 2023 8:13am
- MCōs
  
  The Herald also regularly publish opinion pieces by Hosking & Prebble hammering away at the current government too.
  
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  September 29, 2023 11:26am
  - Damocles11
    
    These are clearly ring-fenced off as ‘view from the right’ and this sort of thing. It’s a fig leaf over the problem of the inate Left-wing bias that runs through that paper, from the cartoons by the moronic ‘Emmerson’, to the editorial view-point, to far Left ‘journalist’ Simon Wilson spewing out climate hysteria and wokeism on a daily basis.
    
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    September 29, 2023 12:09pm
- Aldousk
  
  I find the witless cartoons printed in The Press quite fascinating. For the past few days they have been clumsy, pointless efforts to make Luxon and/ or Seymour seem idiotic. The “newspaper” appears to have lost its will to live and is thrashing around like a dying fish.
  
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  September 29, 2023 11:43am
- Roberta
  
  The NZ Herald and Emerson are on a totally different planet to everyone I know. Hipkins was a yappy puppy on steriods, and Luxon was merely tolerating him like you would a 2 year old in the supermarket.
  New Zealanders can see through it. The amount of people I talk to each day who have disdain for the media is phenomenal. If the media would only report the facts, they might actually make some money without having to rely on Labour’s handouts of our taxpayer money!
  
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  September 29, 2023 6:21pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I notice a poll that asked who won the debate, 30000 plus, and Luxon was something like 68% the winner
  
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  September 29, 2023 6:51pm
kowtow

‘Dale Stephens, the National Party’s Christchurch Central candidate, says his party might decide to keep some elements of co-governance, if elected next month.’

https://www.teaonews.co.nz/2023/09/28/nationals-maori-mps-to-fight-to-keep-elements-of-co-governance-mp/
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September 29, 2023 8:16am
- Damocles11
  
  *Might.
  
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  September 29, 2023 9:54am
  - Matt Long
    
    We certainly won’t rule it out.
    
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    September 29, 2023 10:28am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Thanks for that – I was going to give him my electorate vote.
  
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  September 29, 2023 10:40am
  - Damocles11
    
    And if everyone takes that attitude Labour wins that seat. Fantastic.
    
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    September 29, 2023 12:11pm
    - Jack5
      
      General election result 2020, Christchurch Central:
      
      Duncan Webb, Labour 29, 931 votes
      Dale Stephens , National 9,833 votes
      Chrys Horn, Greens 2,556 votes
      Abigail Johnson, ACT 1,071 votes
      
      Party vote:
      
      Labour 21,168 (53.2 per cent)
      National 7,921 (19.4 per cent)
      Greens 5,168 (12.8 per cent)
      ACT 2,507 (6.2 per cent)
      
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      September 29, 2023 1:59pm
      - Damocles11
        
        Righto, but that was the ‘Saint Jacinda / COVID’ election when over 50% of voters went with Labour. That will be proven to be a historical anomoly. This election we are looking to take down the Left in places like Auckland Central and Wellington Central. My mantra for this election: ‘There is no such thing as a safe Labour seat’.
        
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        September 29, 2023 3:11pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        Labour’s support has roughly halved since last election and National are up about 50%. Pretty good chance National win both party and candidate vote.
        
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        September 29, 2023 5:25pm
- pdm
  
  That aligns with Luxon in the first debate.
  
  Another concern is the National fellow doing very well in Auckland Central who said in the debate he will fight for Auckland Light Rail.
  
  It makes no sense.
  
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  September 29, 2023 10:57am
  - Damocles11
    
    Electorate MP’s are literally advocates for their local electorate in Parliament. In the event he’ll walk into caucus, say “any chance we could do light rail in my electorate?” Everyone will say “nope” and everyone moves on. I feel from reading these types of comments that unless a candidate says 100% of what someone wants to hear then they go “I’m not voting for you”. Who is the alternative? Where is the pragmatic approach?
    
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    September 29, 2023 1:05pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Don’t know why, light rail is hugely unpopular in Auckland, it’s possibly a Auckland central thing with voters hugely supportive
    
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    September 29, 2023 7:00pm
- leoj
  
  Dunedin G will be along shortly to tell us that he had a personal phone call from Luxon, who said: “It depends on the meaning of might.”
  
  Geez the Nats are a bunch of gutless wonders.
  
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  September 29, 2023 12:10pm
- Ghost
  
  I think there are parts that are worth keeping that national did last time. For example working with Maori health providers. Our local one was part funded by the dhb, that’s how it should return to, not a separate Maori health board. Partnerships with Maori education providers. The cogoverance that labour has been pushing is what most are against.
  
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  September 29, 2023 12:21pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Not in services, Stephens is Māori, and they have said some of the Māori candidates are for co governance, but him saying might is not the policy
  
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  September 29, 2023 6:53pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

A few words from Joe Rogan on Trump. What he points out is people’s thinking is clouded with their TDS. If only they would look at the policies he was behind. Then people deflect to what he says. Trump says off base stupid shit all the time. Ignore it (if you can get your TDS under control) He failed on Covid when his comment (injecting disinfectant) were taken out of context and had a few lies injected! Then the horse de-wormer, but it works, just reduce the dose. A horse weighs half a ton.
I don’t know the name of the other guy.

https://www.redvoicemedia.com/video/2023/09/joe-rogans-common-sense-commentary-on-trump-biden-scares-the-democrat-party/
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September 29, 2023 8:16am
- Redapplefalls
  
  Patrick Bet-David.
  
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  September 29, 2023 8:25am
- Raphael
  
  it’s worth noting that the guys who discovered the “horse dewormer” got the 2015 Nobel Prize for Physiology or Medicine for how many human lives it’s saved (more than 100,000 each year in Africa alone).
  
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  September 29, 2023 9:53am
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    It’s a very effective treatment against parasites.
    
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    September 29, 2023 9:56am
    - Keith White
      
      And there’s an inverse correlation between parasite-infested African countries where such drugs are routinely taken, and those same countries’ Covid-reported mortality. Gosh, it’s as if Ivermectin and similar antiparasitics prevent serious Covid!
      
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      September 29, 2023 10:02am
    - Matt Long
      
      If it’s effective against parasites, why isn’t it going into the Wellington water supply with the fluoride?
      
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      September 29, 2023 10:32am
      - Guy Preston
        
        or Queenstown?
        
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        September 29, 2023 12:19pm
      - Keith White
        
        Because MPs – and the vast majority of national and regional government ’employees’ – only drink bottled water* so it would not get to the target population of parasites…
        
        *Check out their cafes.
        
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        September 29, 2023 1:19pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Does it work on parasite Politicians?
      
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      September 29, 2023 11:05am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Raph,
    
    Good points , here is some information on it.
    
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/
    
    Before covid it was one of the most important drugs on the World Health Organisation Essential drugs list.
    
    Then Bloomfield and the government banned prescription and importation .
    
    That should be the starting point for the covid investigation.
    
    Ask Ashley why.
    
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    September 29, 2023 10:15am
    - Sacha
      
      $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ad infinitum.
      
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      September 29, 2023 11:59am
    - mawm
      
      Ask him who told him to lie – Jacinda or the WHO.
      
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      September 29, 2023 2:09pm
G152

We should be more concerned with our own set of political fools rather than blather on about Trump.
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September 29, 2023 8:23am
Flossie

I am just so fed up with all the one sided, one-eyed, politucal reporting going on. Luxon can’t get a fair go anywhere.
Why isn’t the largesse promised by Labour being scrutinized? And the very racist comments of Davidson being called out, and the entire Maori party’s reason for being not given an iota of criticism?
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September 29, 2023 8:27am
- NothingLeft
  
  Because Labour funnels $125 million a year to their mates in media via bullshit/pointless govt advertising.
  
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  September 29, 2023 10:22am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    Who then most probably funnel a percentage back to the Labour Hierarchy.
    
    There is a very good reason Adern left the best paying job she will ever get without another job to go to.
    
    As Adern did nothing but read the odd A4 to the camera and turn up occasionally to a kindergarten her hourly rate as PM must have been in the tens of thousands.
    
    Robbo will disappear next.
    
    Followed by Hipkins.
    
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    September 29, 2023 11:37am
- leoj
  
  Because Luxon is too tame and tries to straddle the fence for fear of upsetting the media.
  
  God help us when he becomes PM because the country needs some gruff, which he does not have.
  
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  September 29, 2023 12:16pm
  - Mark Hanley
    
    Leo. If you worked in the corporate world you will know that CEO positions paying millions of dollars a year are sought after.
    
    You don’t get given the CEO positions you have to show you are better than everyone else to earn the job.
    
    Meanwhile there are plenty of corporate political animals attempting to undermine you as they seek the promotion for themself.
    
    Suggesting Luxon got to the top of the corporate world without smarts, cunning, and a healthy dose of ruthlessness, is defying reality.
    
    Don’t believe me?
    
    Ask Michael Woodhouse whether Luxon can make tough decisions.
    
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    September 29, 2023 12:43pm
    - mawm
      
      Mark – that is true but we also know that many people climb the corporate ladder by being yes-men. The people above them want unquestioning concurrence, and the parent company of the one he lead is particularly woke.
      
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      September 29, 2023 2:15pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Really?
        
        So Corporate KPIS SUCH AS profitability, customer satisfaction, staff motivation, and sales are all achieved by repeating the word…
        
        YES.
        
        Crikey MAWN. I can repeat the word yes. Maybe I should start applying.
        
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        September 29, 2023 3:52pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        CEO who is a yes man? Hahahahahahaha good luck getting a board to find a yes man out in the world and get shareholders to vote him in.
        
        Luxon would have to start at Unilever from the bottom, pretty sure he went in as CEO
        
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        September 29, 2023 7:14pm
Paulus

We are going to vote as early as possible – if we get our voting cards sometime ? and know where to, so that this is in the belief that as soon as we can we will have done our part in getting the Ardern Government done and destroyed, as they have done to New Zealand.
In over 60 years of voting we have never early voted before.
So doing so will be physiologically good for us.
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September 29, 2023 8:27am
- Damocles11
  
  I’m looking to vote as soon as the polls open. It will be very cathartic to deal my own personal blow to the Leftists and their sick and corrupt lackeys in the media.
  
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  September 29, 2023 9:58am
- Ghost
  
  Voting cards are going out now, we got ours on Monday
  
  Find a place to vote here. https://vote.nz/2023-general-election/how-to-vote/find-a-voting-place/
  
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  September 29, 2023 10:00am
  - MCōs
    
    The nearest polling booth to us is located in a graveyard
    
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    September 29, 2023 11:37am
- Terry Dalee
  
  You don’t technically need your voting card to vote. It just makes it easier.
  Just vote in the electorate that your registered in because the roll will have your details on it.
  They will find you via address listed.
  
  If you vote outside your electorate, the ones adjoining usually have neighbouring electorate rolls, or else you’ll end up casting a special vote which is counted later on.
  
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  September 29, 2023 11:31am
ClanMcleod

Guy Hatchard’s latest post is on point.

Our hospitals are overwhelmed, as they are in highly vaccinated countries around the world. UK figures show more than 400,000 people waited more than 24 hours in ED before being seen last year. Our wannabe political leaders are telling us they will fix our similar wait times by throwing more cash at the problem. But there just might not be enough cash, unless and until we have an open discussion about the causes.

Dr. Harvey Risch a world-renowned cancer and chronic disease expert and Professor Emeritus at Yale School of Public Health reports his research:

“Young vaccinated people are being diagnosed with cancers in numbers previously considered impossible, because the Covid-19 vaccine has ‘compromised’ immune systems by disabling the body’s ability to ‘gobble up’ non-normal cancerous cells….Clinicians have been seeing very strange things: For example, 25-year-olds with colon cancer, who don’t have family histories of the disease—that’s basically impossible according to the known paradigm for how colon cancer works—and other long-latency cancers that they’re seeing in very young people.”

Curiously, we aren’t reading reports like this in our newspapers or hearing about them from politicians standing for election. Instead, we are still being prompted by government-paid social media advertising to rush out and get more shots.

Concerning data re the rise in cancers and of course, ‘died suddenly’ syndrome.

Of more concern to me is the refusal of our politicians to even talk about this, let alone make some effort at finding out why it is happening.

Seymour tried saying there is no excess all cause mortality but the problem is, he was quickly shown to be telling porkies. Presumably that’s why the subject is now off the table for almost all politicians.

https://hatchardreport.com/if-you-are-feeling-under-the-weather-you-need-to-read-this/
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September 29, 2023 8:30am
- cmm
  
  What’s done is done. Can’t unwind what has happened, but we could learn.
  
  Far more concerning is that they are wanting to push these mRNA “vaccines” into more widespread use, including annual flu jabs. The learning has not happened.
  
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  September 29, 2023 8:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    This was in my email:
    https://thepatriotchronicles.com/news-for-you/skipped-the-jab-big-tech-gears-up-for-mrna-laced-meats/
    
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    September 29, 2023 9:09am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      SO – yes, I’ve been hearing more and more about that. It’s concerning.
      
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      September 29, 2023 9:44am
    - rouppe
      
      Perhaps if there’s a sudden unexplained rise in mortality for cattle there’ll be more attention placed on it…
      
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      September 29, 2023 12:55pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    What’s done is done. But it’s not done. The truth has not come out widely in media. No apologies. No court cases. No justice. When will msm be printing Coughlans article showing cabinet received science advice not to mandate or give 2 shots for kids because of their low disease risk and higher risk of myocarditis. Knowing this were the people who pushed it on the kids against science advice criminally responsible ? Did they disclose to kids they mandated that mycocarditis was a risk? Any word on that 4th vaccine death with the coroner? Who was it? What was their age?
    
    Will there be any consequence for fbi who suppressed scientists from speaking on social media. Will fauci be held to account. Who in Nz got funded to participate in this. Which organisations and individuals.
    
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    September 29, 2023 9:21am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      It’s a long way from over, no matter how many people wish it was so. Particularly those politicians, bureaucrats, media and ‘experts’ who pushed it hardest.
      
      Many must be regretting some of the things they said at the time, no wonder they want it to be forgotten.
      Never forget.
      
      Here’s a reminder of Michael Wood and his epic moment.
      
      https://vimeo.com/680269356
      
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      September 29, 2023 9:49am
  - Grunter
    
    cmm – I down ticked you only for the “what’s done is done” comment. These lying bastards need to be held to account!
    Of course we need to learn as well, but there must be consequences.
    
    NZ excess deaths in 2023 (up to week 30 – July) is over 2,800. A handful of COVID deaths in there. The rest….??
    
    We can not as a society ignore innocent deaths. Societal Trust has eroded massively.
    
    If there is a pandemic tomorrow try locking me down again!!!! It just won’t happen.
    
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    September 29, 2023 9:52am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Grunter – and never forget, ‘died with covid’ does not mean died due to covid.
      
      That is one of the biggest in a long line of malicious deceptions employed to support this ludicrous narrative. The other being the dangerously useless PCR and RAT tests to detect ‘cases’.
      
      When you look back on it, the level of bs is next level. It’s hard to think of anything that we were told that was actually true.
      
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      September 29, 2023 10:05am
      - cmm
        
        Exactly right. So many medical terms were manipulated and redefined to make this “work”.
        
        The use of over sensitive PCR tests was ridiculous.
        
        About 5 weeks after testing clear with a RAT (having had CV19), I went to hospital for a cardioversion and they gave me a PCR. It had not come back by the time I went to theatre so they quickly gave me a RAT which came back negative.
        By the time I got back to the ward from the theatre, my PCR result came back: positive.
        So now I had become one of those statistics of “people sick in hospital with CV19”, even though I had not been sick in hospital with CV19.
        At the same time there were 12 others on the ward who were CV19 positive (really so). One of them had CV19 when admitted, 11 picked it up inside hospital. None of them were there because of CV19.
        
        So that day’s total for that ward: 13 people in the ward with CV19. Only 12 really had it. None of them there because of CV19.
        
        Death reporting has been manipulated. The definition of vaccine has been manipulated. Heck, even the word “science” has been manipulated.
        
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        September 29, 2023 2:22pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      Continuing excess deaths are clearly some combination of covid and vaccine damage to cardiovascular system and perhaps other body parts, NZ was a perfect control group for vaccine safety and saw 10-15% increase in deaths (6% annual) during vaccination program when there was no significant covid in country.
      
      But you have hundreds of millions of people whos personal feelings of guilt, and a few million health professionals and politicians who’s careers depend on that not becoming acknowledged fact.
      
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      September 29, 2023 10:33am
      - Keith White
        
        They will keep ignoring reality as long as they can.
        
        They will not always be able to ignore the consequences of ignoring reality. Too many bereaved parents and children, too many suicides, too much mental illness, too much organic illness – and it keeps accumulating.
        
        There is some discussion in relevant scientific circles that since myocarditis in the young was very rare indeed – until now; and since myocarditis and consequent heart failure is a spectrum: 2024 and 2025 will see ever-increasing numbers of previously healthy younger people getting heart failure. Possibly to a lethal result.
        
        No-one knows what will happen.
        
        But those of us who begged and pleaded with the Sole Sorceress of MisTruth and the Ministry of MisHealth and the unHippocratic Medical Council to allow freedom of choice and to ensure proper vaccine testing in the historically sound 3 phases over *years*, were shouted down / ignored.
        
        *Interesting fact: until the Covid vaccine-treatment, the fastest-ever vaccine-to-market cycles was 3 years, for mumps vaccine in 1967. And even then, the first to receive the candidate immunisation were mentally handicapped children in state institutions. No informed consent then either…
        
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        September 29, 2023 1:31pm
    - cmm
      
      I am saying what is done is done because we cannot rewind history and un-jab millions of people.
      
      I 100% agree with you that it shouldn’t just be forgotten about. It isn’t just to hold someone accountable, but also to learn so that stupidity and mass hysteria like this do not happen again.
      
      Unfortunately those in the position to hold the reviews and controlling whether they will happen have the most to lose if those reviews happen.
      
      So they won’t happen. Or if they do they will be so badly whitewashed that they’ll be a waste of time.
      
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      September 29, 2023 2:12pm
  - Keith White
    
    We could hold the responsible people very severely and legally accountable so the next group of wannabe medical tyrants think twice.
    
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    September 29, 2023 10:03am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Keith White – that has to happen to those who we now know were fully aware of the issues and still pushed this.
      
      I was extremely critical of Medsafe when the jabs were approved. Particularly when I found on their own website, clear evidence that they knew this thing was experimental.
      
      In their own Risk Management Plan they state plainly that they have identified risks like myocarditis among others, and that they had no information re the effects on most vulnerable groups nor did they have any long term data.
      
      All here and only 8 easy to read pages.
      
      https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/Comirnaty-RMP.pdf
      
      But it is even worse, as revealed by Philip Crump/Thomas Cranmer.
      
      The Pfizer vaccine was granted provisional consent for use by New Zealand’s regulator, Medsafe on 3 February 2021. The development was immediately welcomed by then Prime Minister Ardern who ~~stated~~ lied, “Medsafe’s decision is the culmination of a rigorous assessment process over many months to ensure the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is safe and effective to use here. It is informed by the most up-to-date medical and scientific data. We can have confidence in their decision.”
      
      However, in reality, the government’s representation of Medsafe’s assessment was overstated. Specifically, Medsafe’s clinical assessment found:
      
      “The duration of the vaccine protection has not been established beyond two months.”
      
      “At this stage, there is limited evidence of protection against severe disease.”
      
      “There is no long term safety follow-up information.”
      
      “Vaccine prevention of asymptomatic infection and disease transmission has not been established.”
      
      Therefore when it made its benefit risk assessment, Medsafe concluded:
      
      The benefit risk balance of Comirnaty (COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine) for active immunisation to prevent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by SARS-CoV-2 in individuals 16 years of age and older, is not clear. At this stage, there is evidence only for short-term protection, and longer-term safety data are lacking. However, experience with the vaccine is accumulating rapidly.
      
      https://cranmer.substack.com/p/pfizer-vaccine-approval-in-nz-under
      
      It would be interesting to find out the names of all who had access to the information provided by Medsafe but lied and pushed it as ‘safe and effective.’
      
      This is the only reason I can think of why Seymour and Luxon want this topic shut down. If they didn’t have access to this information, they could use it as a tool to hammer Labour.
      
      As an added bonus, it would remove Peters from the equation if they were seen to be addressing this shocking malfeasance.
      
      That they refuse to do so makes me believe they are aware of the information and therefore equally complicit.
      
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      September 29, 2023 10:23am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Thanks for that Clan,
        
        Very informative, and certainly it must at least be enough for the police to initiate an investigation.
        
        A searchable timeline of what occurred would be a great asset to all kiwis.
        That in itself would force participants to reveal what they knew, and when they knew it, before someone else does.
        
        A verifiable time line and an evidence trail published in the public domain would minimise the chances of uncooperative witnesses, obfuscation , and politically influenced courts.
        
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        September 29, 2023 11:00am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        imalwaysright – there is a paper trail re the removal of important health information re the risk to young males in particular from the jab.
        
        Thomas Cranmer/Philip Crump published it in one of his first posts. This is the gist of the cover up.
        
        My intention is not to second-guess the science or the decisions made by experts but to examine what recommendations were made by the relevant technical committees and then compare those with how the government decided to act and how those actions were presented to the public by the Prime Minister, the former Director-General of Health, Dr Bloomfield and others.
        
        We all know how it was presented, we were bombarded with bullshit to convince is just how “safe and effective” this experiment was and how it was “tested and approved”.
        It was all lies.
        
        I will refer to the minutes of relevant Cabinet and committee meetings which are publicly available. Those documents demonstrate that key recommendations made by the government’s technical experts were not implemented in relation to:
        
        increasing the dose interval between the first and second dose from three weeks to at least eight weeks for the under 30s in order to reduce the risk of myocarditis; and
        
        permitting the under 18s to have only one dose for the purpose of workplace mandates.
        
        In addition, there is clear evidence in the official documents that it was agreed that references to increasing dosing intervals as a method of potentially providing some protection against myocarditis should be removed from public communications.
        
        It’s all documented. No wonder nobody wants to discuss it.
        
        https://cranmer.substack.com/p/covid-and-our-kiwi-kids-part-1
        
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        September 29, 2023 11:33am
      - Sacha
        
        The head man at MoH was over-ruled by Ardern and friends.
        You can read the caution in the statement – and anyone with knowledge who read
        “At this stage, there is evidence only for short-term protection, and longer-term safety data are lacking. ”
        would have hesitated.
        Clearly Ardern had no idea of the risks involved, but I guess there was a nice cheque in the mail –
        
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        September 29, 2023 12:17pm
  - Countrygirl
    
    And now the jabs are done the best we can hope for is “Sorry about that”. Compensation from the government is impossible given the numbers. We allowed vaccine manufacturers to have indemnity. While I would like an enquiry to go ahead, I don’t think we will get anything other than maybe what not to do “next” time.
    
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    September 29, 2023 11:25am
    - Mark Hanley
      
      An inquiry will depend on how much noise we make.
      
      NZDSOS have requested the police commissioner instigate a criminal. Investigation into the Labour Party covid vaccine program.
      
      After the.election I’ll be making a lot of noise requesting a proper royal commission of inquiry into NZs covid vaccine purchase and rollout and will offer my support to NZDSOS.
      
      There is plenty of evidence the vaccine rollout was not done for our benefit.
      
      We need to know whose benefit the covid vaccine rollout was done for then those people need to be held to account!
      
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      September 29, 2023 11:52am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Mark Hanley – damn shame you aren’t running for parliament! I’d vote for you irrelevant of which party you were in!
        
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        September 29, 2023 12:09pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Thanks Clan. We all must do what we can.
        
        And everyone please remember….
        
        when good men do nothing, evil (Adern) prevails.
        
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        September 29, 2023 1:00pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        GO SEYMOUR….
        
        ACT will take the politics out of the Royal Commission into the Government’s Covid-19 response by allowing all New Zealanders to have their say on what should be investigated through a new crowdsourced terms of reference”, says ACT Leader David Seymour.
        
        IF SEYMOUR MAKES THE TOW REFERENDUM AND THE CROWD SOURCED COVID INQUIRY A BOTTOM LINE.
        
        I’M VOTING ACT!
        
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        September 29, 2023 1:31pm
      - cmm
        
        “ACT will take the politics out of the Royal Commission”
        
        Bloody hell. There is not supposed to ever be any politics in any Royal Commission.
        
        But of course there always is, and will be this time too.
        If Seymore is running it then it might be better.
        
        However a Royal Commission can easily go off the rails.
        Look at the RC into the Chch Earthquakes. That just ended up in people dumping their emotions. No real focus on the engineering issues it was supposed to look into. Nothing useful learned.
        
        Now I am all for people having an event for dumping their emotions, but the RC looking into causes was not the right place.
        
        It is extremely easy for an RC into Covid to go the same way.
        
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        September 29, 2023 2:29pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Very interesting pivot from Seymour.
        
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        September 29, 2023 2:33pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Cmm. Monty python write a song for you….
        
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T8QHCaZFR6I
        
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        September 29, 2023 3:54pm
  - mawm
    
    cmm – yes a lot of damage has been done but when there are massive signals, such as the rise of cancers in young people, in the normal course of events science should be hard at work to a) accurately determine the cause and b) to find ways to prevent/treat it. Or is this just another “go home and wait until you turn blue” or banning ivermectin politicisation of healthcare?
    
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    September 29, 2023 2:27pm
- Scott
  
  The incident that really struck me about covid vaccination was when Christian Erickson collapsed and almost died playing football for Denmark. Here was a fit young midfielder for no particular reason collapsing and almost dying. The authorities and the media said that it had nothing to do with the covid vaccination. But here’s my question – would they tell us if it was?
  Since then we have many incidents of fit young people, particularly young men, collapsing and almost dying on sports fields. What is going on?
  
  I would like an enquiry into the covid vaccinations. The fact of the matter is that covid was never a threat to young people and working age adults. Covid was only a threat to older people and those with other health conditions. And yet we shut the whole country down and demanded that everyone get vaccinated and were told that the vaccine is completely safe. And yet we have information like Mr Hatchard credibly giving medical evidence about adverse reactions to the vaccine.
  
  How many adverse reactions were there? I’d really like the truth. The New Zealand public deserve the truth about the adverse reactions to the jab.
  
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  September 29, 2023 9:03am
  - Keith White
    
    We can never know precisely, because Arden and Bloomfield instructed that no post mortems be done – and most particularly, no histology (microscope-level tissue examination) be done on heart muscle of the dead.
    
    When a living vaccine-injured person gets a cardiac biopsy that proves they suffer from severe myocarditis, the NZ MOH states without further argument that it “was from asymptomatic Covid infections and not the vaccine” and closes their correspondence on the case.
    
    Let’s also not forget Grant Robertson lying as usual – 14 Oct, 2021 03:10 PM – ‘Robertson reiterated that “Pfizer, the current vaccine on offer, is safe and all New Zealanders should get on board with it. All around the world millions of people have received it and it is safe.”‘
    
    Lies like a carpet.
    
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    September 29, 2023 10:12am
    - gravedodger
      
      “Lies like a carpet”
      Just as Lumpy as the one in That woman’s Office on the ninth floor where all and sundry were swept beyond sight.
      Such as a well connected person involved in the Labour summer camp perhaps?
      
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      September 29, 2023 12:55pm
    - mawm
      
      Keith – I have been banging this drum endlessly – one cannot eliminate covid vaccines as the cause of death without tissue samples. One simply cannot make that determination from their medical history or clinical notes. No wonder we have had so few deaths. //sarc
      
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      September 29, 2023 2:33pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Sergio Arguero also retired due to heart issues. Brighton I think was the big one because they had two young players die from previously undetected heart issues.
    
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    September 29, 2023 10:40am
    - Drone
      
      Maddy Cusack, a midfielder for the Sheffield United women’s team, has died at the age of 27, the club said Thursday. No previous known medical condition.
      
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      September 29, 2023 1:44pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    This substack is collecting “died suddenly” reports to collate a public record. I’m generally ambivalent about a causal relationship between death and so-called vaccines where the deceased was elderly, but the number of young, vital, healthy people dropping dead should cause alarm bells to be ringing somewhere.
    
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    September 29, 2023 2:48pm
    - Keith White
      
      The alarm bells are indeed clanging in the offices of the guilty. They’re increasingly worried that the truth will get more coverage…
      
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      September 29, 2023 4:21pm
- Greenheart
  
  What evidence do you have that Guy Hatchard is qualified to provide expert opinion on Covid or is he just another antivax crank?
  
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  September 29, 2023 11:37am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    What evidence do you have that he isn’t?
    
    What is an ‘antivax crank’?
    
    At least he’s not a proven liar like Michael Baker claiming he never said masks don’t work when the evidence clearly proves he did.
    
    https://rumble.com/v1cjmox-july-16-2022.html
    
    We also have evidence that the government knew there were risks from the jab due to information presented to them by Medsafe. Particularly risk of myocarditis to young males, yet they not only ignored this advice, they deliberately suppressed it.
    
    I posted on it elsewhere on the blog with all the necessary links for you to visit and ‘fact check’ it.
    
    Take as long as you need. Can’t wait to hear back from you.
    
    Greenheart?? Have you had your booster perchance?
    
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    September 29, 2023 12:06pm
  - Sacha
    
    @ Greenheart: Haven’t you heard of google yet?
    You could do worse than read this – not just to find out a little about Guy Hatchard himself:
    
    https://hatchardreport.com/if-you-are-feeling-under-the-weather-you-should-read-this/
    
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    September 29, 2023 12:40pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    “antivax crank” … Greenheart, I have the perfect book for you. Lots of pictures. Enjoy!
    
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    September 29, 2023 2:42pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    A variant of the fallacious old appeal to authority employed by those defending weak or indefensible positions when confronted by critics identifying glaring flaws and inconsistencies.
    
    Res ipsa loquitur. The thing (data) speaks for itself. If you can find flaws in the data then attack them. You can see for yourself on our world in data site the sharp increase in excess deaths during the vaccination program prior to covid sweeping NZ.
    
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    September 29, 2023 2:56pm
oldpark

The biggest problem facing NZs Economy.
The complete lies fake news of NZs so called Bribed Mainstream Media.
When they forever put the boot into National /Act/ NZ First.
Yet not a word about the six Headed Gang Hell bent on keeping the present disaster Labour/Greens/Maori Party /Ctu /Public Service Unions in control.
Wonder what part of economic and Third World Status do that lot of she’ll be right for the mentioned Gang of Six not understand or they don’t want to .The Solution Two Ticks Blue.
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September 29, 2023 8:31am
- cmm
  
  The MSM are benefiting from the status quo. Why would they be motivated to investigate it and ruin their position?
  
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  September 29, 2023 2:32pm
Southern Raider

Media seems hell bent on promoting a Nat ACT NZF coalition as they know with Peter’s nothing will get done, all the change necessary will get watered down and at the next election they can promote how Luxon failed to deliver

Who are these idiots voting for NZF. Do they not comprehend the massive economic issues facing NZ.

Just look at Auckland Council today. Crumbling under a decade of debt incurred by Labour mayors and needs to increase ratepayer costs by u0 to 20%.
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- ClanMcleod
  
  Luxon and Seymour know how to shut Peters out of the equation.
  That they refuse to do so should see their supporters asking them serious questions. Apparently nobody wants to do that? Why? Afraid of what the answer might be?
  
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  September 29, 2023 9:52am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Because it will lose far more votes than it will gain and may result in Labour, the people who actually harmed you, getting back in (yes, people are that stupid). Why do you think Labour and the media are pushing this so hard? Because the cost of knocking out Winston is to risk the middle moving back to Labour.
    
    Winston was lock step through most of the initial bad Covid stuff Labour did, it was National & ACT that were calling them out and it cost them in the last election.
    
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    September 29, 2023 10:45am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      LaR – “Winston was in lockstep” – National and Act said they would have done it all more ‘efficiently’. They were also in lockstep. Don’t try and pretend it wouldn’t have happened if they had been in power.
      
      No, people aren’t that stupid. We have the receipts. We know what they were all saying at the time.
      
      NACT would have jabbed more of us and done it sooner. That’s what they told us. They would have locked down and MIQed ‘more efficiently’. That’s what they told us.
      
      Their only criticism of Labour at the beginning was they weren’t doing it ‘efficiently’ enough. Never forget “door to door jabs and get boosted” Bishop.
      
      NACT saw the political damage re lockdowns and walked it back a bit. Eventually. They saw the political damage of border closures and walked it back a bit. Eventually. So did Labour. Eventually.
      
      They all played politics with the health and livelihoods of the people of NZ.
      
      Don’t try and change history by implying none of this would have happened under NACT.
      
      To make matters worse, we haven’t heard a word from them to unequivocally state they wouldn’t repeat the exercise, if they have point me to it.
      
      Right now we have Saint Ashley Bloomfield at the WHO already talking up the ‘next pandemic’.
      
      I’ve been more than willing to give NACT my vote if they would only acknowledge the harms that were done and promise not to let it happen again.
      They refuse to even speak about it.
      
      You believe they will lose more votes than they gain for telling the truth and doing the moral and right thing? Well then it will be what it will be. But it’s a bloody tragedy.
      
      Don’t blame voters. Don’t call them stupid, it’s the last thing that will get them to change their mind.
      
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      September 29, 2023 11:49am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        He was foreign minister that locked NZers out of their country, he also voted to lock us up as dep pm
        
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        September 29, 2023 7:20pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Libertarians are right – well the good news for you is, according to the Whoreald, Nicola Willis doesn’t want to work with Peters and NZF, and Matthew Hooton reckons a National/Greens teal deal isn’t an impossibility.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-i-dont-want-to-go-into-government-with-nz-first/SPX6WPKUIRCBLHNPK3SK33GK44/
      
      We know Luxon is ideologically fully compatible with the Green Party re climate nonsense.
      
      There you go, National/Act/Greens. What could possibly go wrong?
      
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      September 29, 2023 12:18pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Luxon has ruled the greens out, stop with the lies
        
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        September 29, 2023 7:21pm
  - leoj
    
    Luxon had heaps of time to dismiss Winston but blew it, big time.
    
    Only now is he and Willis saying they don’t want to work with NZF but will if they have to. What great piss-weak timing.
    
    These numpties allowed NZF to gain in the polls due to their own pathetic inaction.
    
    What’s worse is that we will likely have them running the country soon.
    
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    September 29, 2023 12:25pm
- PeeJay
  
  Media party are being very clever I think. While they would obviously much rather a Labour / Green / Maori government, pushing NZ First has three possible beneficial outcomes for the left.
  
  Firstly, throw enough dirt and maybe, they could turn it around and see Labour / Greens / Maori squeak over the line. Unlikely but not impossible.
  
  Secondly, there is no guarantee that NZ First will go with National – anyone with half a brain knows Winston can’t be trusted and if the bribe from Labour is big enough, he would be quite happy to go with them. I’d say this is 50/50 – nothing is certain and anyone thinking NZ First would automatically go with National is dreaming.
  
  Thirdly, if there is to be a change of government, the media and left are terrified of ACT having any real influence – this scares them so much that the likes of Trotter is voting NZ First. Much better, they reason, that if there is to be a change, let it be a change where NZ First neutralizes and ACT influence and makes sure there are no fundamental reforms undertaken that would be hard to reverse when the left takes over.
  
  As a strategy it’s pretty bloody obvious. Brilliant though and I think enough people might fall for it that all the above could be in play.
  
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  September 29, 2023 10:13am
- Surely Knott
  
  Calling nz1 voters idiots seems to be the strategy for Nat voters who would like us to change our vote. But as you well know the new votes going to Winston are freedom and women’s rights voters and n/act refuse to address those issues. In fact they are doubling down. Heard on the radio people suggesting luxon should go with TOP rather than Winston. Good luck with that and enjoy the tAxes.
  
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  September 29, 2023 11:03am
  - James Stephenson
    
    If you haven’t worked out that Winston is just saying what you want to hear, and after the election he’ll just do whatever’s best for him, then yes you’re an idiot.
    
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    September 29, 2023 11:53am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      James Stephenson. You’ve convinced me. I’ll vote for NACT or whoever you tell me to vote for.
      
      Probably one of the strongest traits of NACT supporters, they debate their corner impeccably…./s
      
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      September 29, 2023 12:27pm
      - James Stephenson
        
        Do what the f- you like, I’ll just reserve the right to say “I told you so” for the umpteenth time.
        
        I noticed in an interview the other day, just after Luxon said he’d pick up the phone if he had to, that Winston has already memory-holed the fact that he’d ruled out working with Labour and is back to his usual “we’ll decide after the votes have been cast and not before” line.
        
        Two apt quotes:
        
        “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” – Albert Einstein (possibly)
        
        “It’s easier to fool someone than to convince them that they’ve been fooled” – Mark Twain (maybe)
        
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        September 29, 2023 1:40pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Hooton in the Whoreald today suggesting horror of horrors, the teal deal. National/Greens. 😱😱😱
    
    Say it ain’t so!
    
    At least it saves them having to talk to Peters. Aw diddums!
    
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    September 29, 2023 12:25pm
    - Damocles11
      
      Just idiocy from Hooton. He has serious lost the plot over the last few months. The Greens radical policies on the Treaty and their Wealth Tax bottom line mean that their is not even a million to one chance that the two parties could go into coalition with each other. The hatred Davidson and Swarbrick have towards National is palpable.
      
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      September 29, 2023 1:09pm
    - goNZ1
      
      Hooton must be feeling embarrassed after running down Luxon in his articles at every opportunity, hes is ahead of Hipkins!
      
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      September 29, 2023 1:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Taxpayers’ Union Calls Hipkins’ GST Bluff.

https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/gst_spreadsheet
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September 29, 2023 8:36am
kowtow

As if yesterday’s ferald cartoon wasn’t bad enough , today’s is utterly ridiculous ;

boxing ring , Luxon flat on his back , KO’d by Hipkins .

These people are literally delusional .

But then the whole paper is .

Audrey Young promoting treaty racism , the gang bus trip to Wellington but no explainer of the woman allegedly leading it , and an editorial promoting a hopeful late Hipkins come back.

As to Hooton today ; crickey, that man seems to hate the Nats more than Peters does.
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September 29, 2023 8:36am
- Grunter
  
  From what you described, the propaganda is obvious. So why are you reading it? I’m genuinely curious.
  
  It really worries me that so many still get brain washed by this crap. Kowtow can obviously spot the absurd still, but how can you trust anything this paper prints?
  
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  September 29, 2023 9:56am
  - Damocles11
    
    I read it to bear witness to the tidal wave of bias in the media, and thus I steel myself to fight back against it with every fibre of my being. I firmly believe there will be karma in due course; these Leftists will pay a price for there blatant undermining of democracy and their utter lack of honesty and fair play.
    
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    September 29, 2023 10:00am
  - kowtow
    
    I have been a life long subscriber to whatever local newspaper was my rag .
    
    I gave up subscribing some years ago , given the obvious bias in a number of areas .
    
    However I still need to keep current with certain business matters and while I’m at it , I always scan the other sections , to see what the Bolshies are up to.
    
    I don’t directly subscribe but as I’ve suggested here many times before ,i do my “research” through pressreader ( I pay for that through my exorbitant rates)
    
    I suppose it’s the same with tv “news” watching , something I have generally foresworn but in this political season will check their headlines , in order to confirm my biases , towards the bastards.
    
    The media is a social /political phenomenon and we do need to know what they’re up to.
    
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    September 29, 2023 12:05pm
    - Damocles11
      
      I review everything that they are putting out, but I don’t pay for any of it.
      
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      September 29, 2023 12:23pm
- Raphael
  
  Tova is going all in, articles on how racist everyone apart from LabGreTPM is and accusing ACT of homophobia because an ACT candidate stands up for women’s rights.
  (note: as someone who dislikes Seymour, I found Tova’s attacks on him more distasteful.)
  
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  September 29, 2023 10:05am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    As a recently newsworthy ACT candidate is gay and happily married to another man, Tova must be the one who’s homophobic…
    
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    September 29, 2023 10:31am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  I’ve heard another rumor that Labour’s internal polling is still appallingly bad – is the Herald just trying to do the best it can for them at the moment…?
  
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  September 29, 2023 10:36am
  - Damocles11
    
    Yes, the New Red Herald is pulling out all the stops to help Labour. ‘Stuffed’ is doing the same. I would suggest that anyone who is currently paying for mainstream media physical newspapers or on-line subscriptions should immediately stop doing so, as you are effectively paying the salaries of people who hate the Right and are spewing Leftist propaganda out as fast as they can create it.
    
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    September 29, 2023 11:36am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Awomen
      
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      September 29, 2023 11:55am
peterwn

See:
https://wellington.govt.nz/news-and-events/news-and-information/our-wellington/2023/09/pay-by-plate-parking

So Wellington City Council investment in parking sensors (with numbered spaces) and associated radio infrastructure has turned out to be a flop. It has not been installed for that many years so to claim it is near ‘end of life’ is ridiculous. The sensors were obviously not fit for purpose.

So The Council dresses up what should be an admission of defeat as a ‘progressive’ move saying it is following in the footsteps of other councils who have ‘pay by plate’ systems.

Also too seems the Council will retain a card surcharge despite the intention that only half the machines will accept cash.
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September 29, 2023 8:40am
kowtow

Who knew that ” kaupapa Maori ” was important while your house goes up in flames.

“Our chief executive also has prioritised Kaupapa Māori and is focused on building the organisation’s cultural capability to respond in the best way possible to our Māori communities and how Kaupapa Māori can support culture change within our organisation.”

https://www.teaonews.co.nz/2023/09/25/fenz-prioritises-kaupapa-maori-with-new-appointment/
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September 29, 2023 8:41am
- Taieri
  
  Who knew that ” kaupapa Maori ” was important while your house goes up in flames.
  ————
  
  Of course it is. Fires have to be put out in the culturally appropriate way. It is not that easy to placate Mahuika, as virgins are in short supply these days but every little bit counts.
  
  Hopefully, the tenets of Islamic faith will also be considered the next time a house inhabited by the Muslim people goes up in flames. Vedas and Upanishads must also not be forgotten so that the numerous Indian community is not put at a disadvantage in the emergency situations. Our Chinese brethren, being mostly of the atheistic persuasion face the biggest difficulty though. How to extinguish a fire in the Chinese occupied house without causing any cultural offences? Perhaps The Little Red Book contains some hints?
  
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  September 29, 2023 10:18am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Nek minut water will be sacred, so you can’t use it to put out for – so turn it off.
    Lahaina Maui anyone?
    
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    September 29, 2023 11:19am
lastmanstanding

The Labour Party the Green Party and the Maori Party are racist. Labour supported by the others has enacted laws that discriminate on the basis of race.
That is a breach of Article 7 of the United Nations Declaration on Human Rights.
A vote for Labour Green Maori is a vote for racism and apartheid.
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September 29, 2023 8:48am
- john1234
  
  Hipkins has tried everything else so in his last minute desperation is going full retard on the “race baiting” schtick. This won’t end well for him.
  
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  September 29, 2023 9:11am
  - amospicton
    
    Yep, it’s desperation. It’s also despicable – he knows that Act and the Nats aren’t racist. They simply have a different and in my view better and fairer means of getting better outcomes for Maori. And yet, in the interests of extending the tenure of this, overwhelmingly the worst government in NZ’s history, he’s prepared to play the race card. Vote them out people – do not fall for the NZ First to keep them honest mirage. Vote pink or blue!
    
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    September 29, 2023 10:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    This is just an Election. Imagine him having a thermonuclear meltdown if something important was happening.
    
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    September 29, 2023 11:22am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He smears the rest of the country because he is hated, hahaha, he has just lost even more support
    
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    September 29, 2023 7:25pm
kiwikidsnz

Hipkins is now playing the race card as a wedge, the MSM will be all in

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/election-2023/498982/hipkins-commits-to-calling-out-racism-and-defending-te-tiriti

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/09/election-2023-m-ori-leaders-call-on-christopher-luxon-to-condemn-racist-comments-race-baiting-policies-by-nz-first-act.html
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September 29, 2023 8:49am
- mogg
  
  Hipkins sees racism everywhere except in his own coalition partners.
  
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  September 29, 2023 11:13am
cmm

Wet bus ticket for two looters.

There is something particularly nasty about looting. Normal burglary is bad enough, but looting takes it to the next level.

One already had a conviction (the 19 year old). Two convictions by 19 suggests a career criminal.

Piss-poor judgement, IMHO.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300979349/brothers-admit-looting-businesses-while-hawkes-bay-was-in-state-of-emergency-after-cyclone-gabrielle
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September 29, 2023 8:52am
- Southern Raider
  
  In a Hollywood movie they would have been shot on sight
  
  This just reinforces how disconnected the judiciary is from reality. That sends no message at all to future looters apart from go ahead there are no consequences
  
  National should put this judgement up on billboards around Hawkes Bay with a “brought to you by Labour” byline
  
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  September 29, 2023 8:57am
  - sirknz
    
    Go ahead if you haven’t got a record yet more like…
    
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    September 29, 2023 10:51am
- kowtow
  
  The judge , to use his own words, is ‘thumbing his nose’ at society by not sending those two scrotes to prison .
  
  Meanwhile it would appear from $1uffed’s “favourites” that its own readers are more interested in a scrote felling a tree in Britain than scum here looting from hard working NZers during a crisis.
  
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  September 29, 2023 9:09am
BeaB

RNZ has some strange reporters and announcers. More and more of them seem to have no idea how to pronounce even quite simple words or grasp what they are talking about. Ingrid Hipkiss gaily admitted to not understanding the big words Shane Jones used like ‘vituperative’. How do these people get jobs where command of language is the foundation skill?
We have to put up with the bogans like Corin Dann and Lisa Owens and now it seems are we are going to have to accept the dumbing down of what used to be a radio station that assumed its listeners knew a thing or two. I won’t even get started on the swearing that is now a daily occurrence.
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September 29, 2023 9:01am
Maggy Wassilieff

What influences young Maori females with respect to teenage pregnancy?

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/lindsay-mitchell-a-conundrum-for-those-pushing-racist-dogma
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September 29, 2023 9:10am
- Yabster
  
  I like the comment to stop referring to other NZers as “Non-Maori”- when you think about its a very negative term.
  
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  September 29, 2023 9:24am
  - Damocles11
    
    We get a lot of c-rap foisted on us, such as ‘cis white men’.
    
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    September 29, 2023 9:48am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Yabster
    
    A maori is then a non non maori !
    I’m a non non non maori .
    
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    September 29, 2023 9:57am
Fisiani2

https://www.facebook.com/karorires/videos/636082355303343

Scott Sheeran easily wins the Karori candidates meeting
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September 29, 2023 9:16am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Kelvin Davis has his tits in a tangle.
“If they do away with rangatiratanga, two things happen,” Davis said. “They lump Māori in with every other minority in the country. They say, ‘you know, there’s nothing special about tangata whenua, you’re just the same as everyone else.’”
That is so true Kelvin. Maori are not special, they are the same as the other 160 or so Cultures living in NZ. Whatever gave you the idea that Maori are ‘special?’
The rogue Waitangi Tribunal Treaty needs to be binned. Stop the gravy train for the good of New Zealand. Go on Kelvin, call me “racist” then take a look in the mirror sunshine.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/election-2023-for-m%C4%81ori-everything-s-at-stake-kelvin-davis-warns/ar-AA1hnIvV
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September 29, 2023 9:19am
- kingerstinger
  
  I work with someone who dropped this incredible clanger yesterday.
  
  “New Zealand is multi-cultural, but it’s also bi-cultural.”
  
  What??
  
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  September 29, 2023 9:24am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Sadly they live among us.
    
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    September 29, 2023 9:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yup, we know just what that person thinks like.
    Not very bright really.
    
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    September 29, 2023 11:24am
- Yvette
  
  “They lump Māori in with every other minority in the country.: – Kelvin Davis
  
  Māori are more likely to be overweight, depressed, homeless, incarcerated and uneducated according to these disturbing statistics produced under National’s watch
  – also Kelvin Davis, for cheap political gain in 2017, as is his motives now in 2023
  https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1702/S00255/no-mana-for-maori.htm
  
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  September 29, 2023 10:10am
I remember when

Now I am wondering if it is all worth the effect.
Apparently scientists predict that in 250 million years the land on Earth will once again form a supercontinent.
So life on Earth is going to have some giant changes – no matter what we do.
The climate will be different – no matter what we do.
One presumes that the tectonic plate movements will result in some really catastrophic outcomes.
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September 29, 2023 9:21am
- Taieri
  
  No worries, the Dunedin City Council will pass a resolution condemning this deplorable formation of a supercontinent initiative.
  
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  September 29, 2023 10:25am
  - david
    
    They will have to put the rates up to fight continental amalgamation. Yep, climate change is yesterday’s crisis folks.
    
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    September 29, 2023 10:09pm
- NothingLeft
  
  There’s a substantial chance that biological life will be ended by AI in next 1000 years, if it decides it has other priorities for use of Earth. AI can colonize the entire galaxy in the next few million years if it wants to and I doubt humans, as limited as we are, will factor into that future much.
  
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  September 29, 2023 10:51am
Yvette

AM’s Ryan Bridge loses it after NZ First’s Shane Jones calls David Seymour’s bus the ‘stinky pinky
Is not Shane Jones Maori? – and David Seymour the same? Who do you call?

Māori leaders call on Christopher Luxon to condemn ‘racist’ comments, ‘race-baiting’ policies by NZ First, ACT
Are the Leaders not themselves race baiting – trying to drive a weeks between National and other parties
Otherwise why are Māori leaders calling on Christopher Luxpn to call out Winston Peters and David Seymour when they could do that themselves?

And why do the so-called Leaders not call on the Prime Minister to call out the race relations commissioner, since who’s call is it that we don’t seem to have one of the moment.
So who does anyone call?
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September 29, 2023 9:31am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Ghostbusters???
  
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  September 29, 2023 9:59am
  - Ghost
    
    Evil people, they should leave ghosts alone.
    
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    September 29, 2023 10:02am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Like people, only a minority are malevolent. 👻
      
      For some reason it’s the other way round with politicians and journalists in NZ….😊
      
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      September 29, 2023 10:43am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Looks like Ghosts are yet anther Culture in NZ.
      That makes 161 Cultures now.//
      
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      September 29, 2023 11:31am
thirteenstars

I had enough of this precious All Black team, the latest from them portraying tomorrow’s Italy game as a must-win, do-or-die effort.

Newsflash: if Italy is actually considered that much of a danger then the very thought of Ireland will provoke a nervous breakdown.

Advice: harden up. Bloody pussies.
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September 29, 2023 9:45am
- amospicton
  
  What, you’d prefer that they said it’d be a walk in the park? Like the netballers did with England B? It’s a fact that it’s a must win, so is Uruguay for that matter.
  
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  September 29, 2023 10:23am
  - thirteenstars
    
    “…so is Uruguay for that matter.”
    
    Thanks for making my point.
    
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    September 29, 2023 11:20am
- Colville
  
  thirteen.
  The lose they go home, …what would you have them call it??
  
  They are already the worst ever world cup All Black team…you want them to take it lightly?
  
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  September 29, 2023 10:56am
  - thirteenstars
    
    No, I want them to harden up and stop pretending they are in danger of losing. To suggest they can lose is to say they shouldn’t bother making it through at all.
    
    They can lose against Ireland, you bet. But not Italy, and it’s PR bullshit to seriously entertain any such idea.
    
    If they’re that weak as a team and in spirit they should consign the haka to the changing room and just get on with losing.
    
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    September 29, 2023 11:19am
    - amospicton
      
      It’s called respect for your opponents. Do you seriously suggest that they refer to them as ‘no-hopers’ in public? Much better to do that talking via actions on the pitch.
      
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      September 29, 2023 12:25pm
- Rusty
  
  @thirteenstars
  
  The ABs “should” win comfortably against Italy.
  
  But who knows now?
  
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  September 29, 2023 11:24am
  - thirteenstars
    
    That’s what I like to hear.
    
    Of course they should win. And in this context should means they *will* barring five red cards and a severe team-wide allergy to garlic.
    
    But look out, fellas, it’s Uruguay next. Horreurs!
    
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    September 29, 2023 12:27pm
- emmess
  
  Or Australia?
  As Italy, are only just behind them in the world rugby rankings?
  https://www.world.rugby/tournaments/rankings/mru
  
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  September 29, 2023 11:33am
- MCōs
  
  Of course the Italy game is a must win.
  Apart from that it’s been two weeks since they played and I’m thinking some of these reporters are getting a little nervous.
  BTW
  It’s do or die for Italy too.
  
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  September 29, 2023 12:02pm
- goNZ1
  
  What I think is happening is that the pre-match haka energy inputs required is weakening them for whats ahead. I think they should not perform it for say 6 games and measure results…
  
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  September 29, 2023 1:32pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    It’s getting to the point where the haka is the most impressive movement of the game.
    
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    September 29, 2023 2:43pm
Damocles11

My comment from 8:13 am is still awaiting moderation, while it seems others get posted up without issue. Is it to do with the amount of time people have been members of this site? Genuinely interested. Thanks.

[Mod – posts get approved when a moderator is online]
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September 29, 2023 9:46am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Post under your own name like I do. Or send DPF some info about why you don’t wants to be doxed. Many have genuine reasons.
  It used to worry me, having someone unhinged turn up at my work.
  Retired now so it does not worry me.
  
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  September 29, 2023 11:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy
  
  A moderator may help you in keeping a pseudonym.
  
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  September 29, 2023 11:53am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/09/general_debate_29_september_2023.html/comment-page-1#comment-3444169
  
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  September 29, 2023 11:56am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Democrats are not listening to the people. This is why they will lose. I am neither for or against – is is personal choice. What I hate is selfish females using abortion as a contraceptive.
America needs more Americans – but some of those Americans will want the American Dream and vote Republican. Best leave the border open and bring in millions of dropkicks who will vote Democrat, because democrats are kind. Kind? Where have I heard that before? It is also difficult to have a family with say 3 kids, because it is not affordable in some cases
Just remember America, if the USA should ever go socialist, you have no place to run to. Canada? Go for it!

https://fellowamericandaily.com/despite-liberals-begging-for-abortions-americans-want-more-kids/
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September 29, 2023 9:55am
Tom Hunter

@Mod
Just as a matter of interest my comments do not appear automatically and yesterday I saw a Mod comment to the effect that you’ll be approved if you post under your own name.

Well I’ve been posting under my own name here at Kiwiblog since 2007, and that name matches the email address. Moreover in that time I’ve corresponded with DPF a few times and written a couple of posts.

Really don’t know what else I have to do to get set up as an automatic commentator? Drivers licence? Passport? 🙂

[Mod – email DPF]
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September 29, 2023 10:01am
- Matt Long
  
  Email to David was how I got approved, it did take him a while to respond.
  
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  September 29, 2023 10:50am
- thirteenstars
  
  Tom, didn’t you get banned for a couple of days a while back?
  
  You’ve been a bad, bad boy. Perhaps DPF ain’t over it yet. Continue standing in the corner.
  
  😉
  
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  September 29, 2023 11:12am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    I did indeed, even though my utterly depraved insult was directed at The Screaming Beard, aka “Bomber” Bradbury, not anybody on this blog.
    
    Incidentally he banned me from commenting on The Daily Blog and when I inquired as to why he told me that he’d seen my outrageous insult of him.
    
    So there you go, he’s intently watching Kiwiblog as a silent witness – the big Marxist twat. 😂😂😂😂😂
    
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    September 29, 2023 6:56pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You have to specifically request to post here without being moderated.
  
  (and presumably show a willingness to abide by the rules for this blog)
  
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  September 29, 2023 11:15am
I remember when

Good News:
Studies are finding that there is a high incidence of heart problems amongst people who get covid.
This is apparently as high as 28% for those who are hopitalized with severe infection.
The good news is that the studies have also found that vaccination reduces the possibility.
Great news at a time when covid vaccination rates have taken a great hit.
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September 29, 2023 10:02am
- Keith White
  
  Can you remember when and where these studies were done and perhaps you can provide a link to these studies?
  
  I can provide a number of links to a number of studies that claim the reverse.
  
  Heck, even the Aussie MOH is getting with the program: the Australian Government Department of Health and Aged Care quoth…
  
  “Myocarditis and pericarditis.
  “There is a link between COVID-19 vaccines and rare side effects of myocarditis and pericarditis.
  “Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle.
  Pericarditis is inflammation of the pericardium (the thin, sac-like tissue surrounding the heart muscle).
  “The risk of myocarditis is highest in people aged 16 to 30 years (peak 16 to 18 years), and is higher in males than females.
  
  A rare risk for 50,000 people may kill a few and if they give informed consent and are not coerced, they can make their own judgment on known risks v assumed benefits.
  
  A rare risk of a treatment mandated for 5,000,000 people will kill many more…
  
  This is especially cruel because young healthly people have a vanishingly small risk of serious illness or death from the WuFlu.
  
  And even NZ’s MOH is worrying (or engaging in CYA, or both) – see link below.
  
  Why did they did not do this study before mandating the Covid vaccine and yip, yip, lawfaring 2 classes of New Zealanders. And TPTB are still pushing the vax without acknowledging the risks.
  
  https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines/covid-19-vaccine-side-effects-and-reactions/covid-19-vaccine-myocarditis-and-pericarditis-study#:~:text=A%20study%20has%20been%20launched,vaccination%2C%20is%20eligible%20to%20participate.
  
  Mod, link is to the MOH study “to find out if people who developed myocarditis or pericarditis following COVID-19 Pfizer vaccination had long-term health problems. Anyone over 12, with a clinical diagnosis of myocarditis or pericarditis following a Pfizer vaccination, is eligible to participate.”
  
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  September 29, 2023 10:39am
- NothingLeft
  
  So why did deaths in NZ spike up by 12% during our 2021 vaccination program (6% for year) compared to 2020 when there was no covid? Attribution for that seems pretty clear, but dangerous to a lot of powerful people. Covid free NZ was the clearest evidence in the world for the massive vaccine death toll. It probably still made sense for people with dicey health, but should never have been mandated for young and healthy people.
  
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  September 29, 2023 10:58am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The Trump Organization.
The Judge is now not so sure on his ruling and he is not ready to discuss it.
Trump said: “I have a Deranged, Trump Hating Judge, who RAILROADED this FAKE CASE through a NYS Court at a speed never before seen.”

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/donald-trumps-lawyers-ask-judge-190924125.html

Trump is accused of inflating his wealth on business document to secure favorable loans form banks.serinc
“Nothing like this has ever happened in our Country before. My Civil Rights have been violated, and some Appellate Court, whether Federal or State, must reverse this horrible, un-American decision. If they can do this to me, they can do this to YOU!” Trump added.
One would think that Banks would investigate, not just give a loan on an inflated value.
“If Mar-a-Lago is worth $18 million… I’ll take 10 please!!!” Eric’s brother Donald Trump Jr. tweeted.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-slams-ny-judge-s-fraud-ruling-says-appeals-court-must-reverse-un-american-decision/ar-AA1hjEyn

It seems that on Oct 2nd there is a NON-JURY trial. How can this be?
Letitia James has been after Trump for decades. If she loses her career is finished.
Judge Engoron has stepped in dogshit. Trump will ensure Engoron is finished as well.
Trump is a different person to most. How many times has Trump been right about Politician happenings since 2016?

Popcorn!
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September 29, 2023 10:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I like Junior’s comment.
  
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  September 29, 2023 11:59am
- virtualmark
  
  Steve, this is a civil case, so it’s in front of the judge and there’s no jury.
  
  The judge has made summary judgment on 1 of the 5 charges. That was on the most important charge, which is the charge alleging Trump et al had committed fraud. Summary judgement is where the judge, after reading all the written evidence provided by the prosecution and the defence, basically says “This case is proven to such an extent, and the defence is so weak, that there is no point in using up court time having a trial, I’m just going to proceed directly to a decision.”
  
  The other 4 charges are still going to be covered in the trial, which starts on Monday. As far as I understand those charges revolve around things like how large a fine will Trump have to pay.
  
  Trump can, of course, appeal these decisions. I suspect he will.
  
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  September 29, 2023 1:53pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    In front of a Judge who has already decided Trump is guilty?
    When this plays out I think the Judge and AG James will sort of retire before Trump wins 2024 – even from jail!
    
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    September 29, 2023 3:51pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “Last week, Trump sued Engoron, accusing him of taking too long to narrow the case.”
    This Letitia James seems to be a nice piece of work, waiting for the Judge that suited her charges. I think both Engoron and James are going to regret this.
    
    https://www.reuters.com/legal/trump-ny-attorney-general-argue-over-scope-looming-fraud-trial-2023-09-22/
    
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    September 29, 2023 4:06pm
    - virtualmark
      
      I’d ignore Trump suing people. It’s just a tactic he uses to hustle, and to appear like he’s in charge. If you look at his track record he either (a) withdraws them or (b) loses them.
      
      Look, the judge read through all the evidence and decided it was an open-and-shut case. If Trump thinks the judge is wrong then he can appeal. He will appeal, but basically as a delaying tactic.
      
      Here’s the thing. Although Trump is litigious that’s historically been him suing other people in civil cases, and those other people have been smaller, with less money and legal resource, than Trump. So basically his history is using the courts to bully contractors, business partners etc. Historically Trump has been able to get those people to settle, in his favour.
      
      But now he’s dealing with state and federal agencies who have enough money to take a case the whole way through, and they have better quality lawyers than Trump does. So now he’s the little guy. And his position is so weak that he’s going to lose these cases.
      
      Added to which a lot of these charges are now serious criminal cases, not civil ones. So he can’t duck these cases, and if/when he loses it’ll be prison time. Basically he’s now in big-time court and he doesn’t control the case.
      
      Honestly, he’s fucked.
      
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      September 29, 2023 5:08pm
- Lee C
  
  LoL Steve.
  Do try to keep up with the TDS narratives!
  This latest case is proof. PROOF, I tell you, that DJ Trump is unfit to be the President.
  This signed, sealed and delivered verdict by an impartial, disinterested and distinguished legal professional is and unambiguous and definitive verdict.
  
  This is not another example of a Democrat-inspired clown-show, designed to drain Trump of the resources time and availability to campaign against Joe Biden.
  
  It is in fact an actual, really really serious piece of proof that Trump is a criminal.
  
  It’s actually even more real and serious than the Treason charge, actually, which of course is even more serious than that Russian thing that Hilary so brilliantly exposed.
  
  No Steve.
  
  This is really, really, really
  
  serious.
  
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  September 30, 2023 7:21am
ClanMcleod

A great article from UK Column.

Why would anyone trust the United Nations’ regime?

The UN wants us to believe whatever it tells us without reason. This is essential for the UN because it is ambitious, malevolent and utterly “untrustworthy.”

It can only achieve its nefarious goals while we accept its claimed authority.
In 2013, a UN Task Team was designated to specify the Post-2015 UN Development Agenda. It wrote:

[. . .] global partnership can promote a more effective, coherent, representative and accountable global governance regime, which should ultimately translate into better national and regional governance [. . .]. A global governance regime, under the auspices of the UN, will have to ensure that the global commons will be preserved for future generations.

[. . .] In a more interdependent world, a more coherent, transparent and representative global governance regime will be critical to achieve sustainable development in all its dimensions.

You get the point, I’m sure. The UN considers itself the lead organisation in a “global governance regime”.

Of course, this is a ‘conspiracy theory’ even though it’s published on their own website.

The unelected parasites in the UN are in the process of implementing a global coup. They are doing this in conjunction with the WHO and WEF. None of these people are elected. They are all in the main, funded by extremely wealthy, unelected people.

https://www.ukcolumn.org/blogs/why-would-anyone-trust-the-united-nations-regime

It’s right there in front of you, but people will dismiss this as ‘disinformation’ or similar.
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September 29, 2023 10:31am
- Blog-aholic
  
  While the UN has their security council with veto rights they can go jump in the lake. The UN are as effective in world as a wart.
  
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  September 29, 2023 10:38am
  - Drone
    
    I have always believed the UN (United Nations) had a role in keeping major inter-nation disputes under some form of “control” either by shipping UN troops into war zones as peacekeepers or mediating between nations. The last few years and particularly the Ukraine-Russia spat has shown the UN to be toothless and expensive. Either they go back to being an organisation with some credibility or they should be dissolved. Probably the latter.
    
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    September 29, 2023 2:35pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Some time between 2024 and 2028+ UN will be dissolved.
      The World Police Force is going to look after themselves first.
      Not hard to work out.
      
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      September 29, 2023 4:21pm
    - rouppe
      
      They’ve been useless for decades. Cosovo. Most African deployments where they exploited the women and spread disease through poor sanitation.
      
      They actually no longer serve any purpose.
      
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      September 29, 2023 8:40pm
- Rusty
  
  @Clan McLeod
  
  No one elected those numpties at the UN/WEF because they don’t believe in free elections.
  
  They have no money of their own.
  
  They only exist because the West gives them tens of billions of dollars every year.
  
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  September 29, 2023 11:40am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Rusty – so do private donors. Particularly to the WHO.
    Gates was the biggest funder to the WHO until Biden reinstated the US donations. Gates is still number two.
    As for the WEF. That’s a whole other story.
    
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    September 29, 2023 12:35pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Un-elected will happen here in NZ unless it is stopped.
    See my comment at 9.09 this morning. Kelvin Davis thinks he and Maori are importanter than the other Cultures living in NZ.
    
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    September 29, 2023 4:34pm
Chuck Bird

Someone should advise Luxon about his statement that abortion is murder or words to that effect.

If he really believes that he is saying that women have an abortion are murderers.

He should say on reflection I should have said abortion is wrong or even sinful.

Many Christians do not believe abortion is murder. Just look at countries in Europe that allow abortion.
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September 29, 2023 10:39am
- Keith White
  
  Over decades I’ve been tasked to respond to second- and third-trimester premature deliveries. The little ones thus brought into the world look like humans. We do our best for them as humans. Often we can’t help them, and their mothers grieve just as much as if their loved little ones had died after a term birth.
  
  I’m not accusing anyone of murder. I do think abortion is killing babies, and babies are people like us, just younger.
  
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  September 29, 2023 11:22am
  - Ghost
    
    I was 6 weeks premature, c section because i was dying. For the first week I was meant to die every day. After that week the doctors told the parents I was going to make it. Thanks to all those doctors and nurses.
    
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    September 29, 2023 11:47am
    - Lee C
      
      Me too very premature breach and still-birth. I rallied just as the medical professionals were read to tell my mother I hadn’t made it.
      
      I like to think of it as my first practical joke.
      
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      September 30, 2023 7:24am
- stiff cheese
  
  Many countries in Europe ban abortion after about 14 weeks of pregnancy.
  
  We could have that law here but Luxon is too gutless to advocate for that.
  
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  September 29, 2023 11:49am
  - Sacha
    
    It used to be that abortion was acceptable if the foetus could not sustain life outside the mother’s body. There had to be a foetal heart beat.
    After that, it was murder.
    Once that boundary was removed, well, anything goes.
    
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    September 29, 2023 12:48pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    14 weeks is France. I think Hungary and Poland (natch) are 12.
    Texas is 6 but on the other side of the coin, there are 6 States where Abortion IS LEGAL AT ANY STAGE.
    New Mexico, Oregon, Vermont, Alaska, New Jersey and Colorado. (Wikipedia)
    
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    September 29, 2023 1:02pm
thirteenstars

The Times Higher Education rankings:

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2024/world-ranking#!/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/scores

Highest ranked NZ institution: Auckland Uni at #150. The rest aren’t even in the top 300.

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2024/world-ranking#!/length/25/locations/NZL/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

Australia has 20 institutions in the top 300.

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2024/world-ranking#!/length/25/locations/AUS/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/scores

Maori science will fix it. Yip, yip.
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September 29, 2023 10:42am
Damocles11

The UN now exists to be a Trojan Horse for the Left wing to destroy nations and bring about a global socialist / communist government. Left wing politicians do their apprenticeship as leaders in their home countries, then move up to the UN. Think Helen Clark and Jacinda Ardern. The head of the UN since 2017 is Portugese socialist Antonio Guterres. He moves seamlessly through the levels of the socialist hierachy:
‘Guterres served as secretary-general of the Socialist Party from 1992 to 2002. He was elected prime minister in 1995 and announced his resignation in 2002, after his party was defeated in the 2001 Portuguese local elections. He served as president of the Socialist International from 1999 to 2005, and was the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees from 2005 to 2015.’
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September 29, 2023 10:43am
Yvette

Meng Foon, New Zealand race relations commissionnew (2019–2023)
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September 29, 2023 10:43am
Keith White

Well, the Empty-Tanked former NZ PM is indeed having a global impact; straight from today’s headlines:

“Instead of Enforcing Current Laws, California Passes New Ones Aimed at Law-Abiding Gun Owners.”
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September 29, 2023 10:55am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Keith White – do you have a link to that headline? Cheers.
  
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  September 29, 2023 11:17am
  - Keith White
    
    Mod: this is the link to the article about California’s gun laws
    
    https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/instead-of-enforcing-current-laws-california-passes-new-ones-aimed-at-law-abiding-gun-owners/
    
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    September 29, 2023 11:23am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Thank you.
      
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      September 29, 2023 11:54am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

What Trump plans for Biden after winning 2024.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYoUJVaO0ws&list=PL0ZNpWKitZMrg-xSV6xJUyoQWiUPsbuX5&index=6

Members of The GOP Complain There’s “No Evidence” Against Biden.
Strange – those GOP people must be RINOs!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6SCtj-58mM&list=PL0ZNpWKitZMrg-xSV6xJUyoQWiUPsbuX5&index=6

Now – Lefties losing their shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hcannz2iAjc
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September 29, 2023 11:00am
sirknz

Is anybody else disappointed that nobody in the media is referring to the sewer pipe collapse in Parnell as a ‘stink hole’?
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September 29, 2023 11:04am
Damocles11

Michael Woodhouse is still alive & kicking as he makes his last stand in Dunedin –

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/29-09-2023/michael-woodhouse-is-prepared-to-lose-in-dunedin-one-last-time
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September 29, 2023 11:06am
Paul Marsden

Interesting that Seymour has come out and said that he wants the terms of the inquiry into the covid debacle to be looked at again, so that everyone can have their say. I would say that is clearly targeted at those who have suffered adverse affects from the jab. Not before time that at least one sitting politician has pulled their head out of the sand. If I have interpreted his comments correctly, its going to get him a lot more votes. Many, many votes
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September 29, 2023 11:17am
- Jack5
  
  More important, in my view, Paul M., are the economic effects of the shutdown.
  
  This caused Labour and their mate at the Reserve Bank to jump into “Social Credit Paradise” scale money printing through the issue of tens of billions of dollars worth of bonds.
  
  That blow-out of the money supply sparked the inflation that is now hurting everybody. The pain will continue for years.
  
  How did Sweden, which kept its economy open, fare in comparison with NZ in Covid health statistics? How did Taiwan fare during Covid? It did take intense counter-measures in health, but kept schools and businesses open throughout.
  
  Also, internationally, it would be nice to hear about the Covid collusion of China with its mate, the head of the World Health Organisation. It was Taiwan, through intelligence links, which brought out the news of the outbreak.
  
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  September 29, 2023 11:40am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Paul Marsden – do you have a link to that? Cheers.
  
  I’m an undecided voter. I’ll only be voting for a Party that at a minimum, acknowledges the harms done to innocent NZers and states clearly they won’t repeat the exercise.
  
  The rest of the stuff like the economy, health and education etc is of course important. But it is totally irrelevant if we repeat the madness that was inflicted on us during covid.
  
  All of those things were devastated by covid policies.
  
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  September 29, 2023 11:58am
  - H. Upmann
    
    Seymour’s comments have been on at least 2 ZB news bulletins this morning. Not sure if anything is online yet or in print.
    
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    September 29, 2023 12:14pm
  - Paul Marsden
    
    Likewise. Heard it on a 1zb news bulletin this morning. Looking for a link now.
    
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    September 29, 2023 12:16pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Thank you.
      
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      September 29, 2023 12:40pm
      - Grunter
        
        From the ‘Horses Mouth’ ACT are the easiest to read up on as their website is easy to navigate and they put out stacks of Press Releases…
        
        https://www.act.org.nz/taking_the_politics_out_of_the_covid_19_royal_commission
        
        Clan – I’d be keen to read your thoughts on this one. I’m obviously an ACT guy and not as grumpy with Seymour regards Covid as you are. (still grumpy but still voting ACT).
        
        BY THE WAY – I EMAILED SEYMOUR ABOUT COVID THIS AFTERNOON – He replied in 59 minutes. My email was mostly encouraging, but also about excess deaths.
        
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        September 29, 2023 5:23pm
      - Ghost
        
        I sent it to a friend. Her reply was that she will believe the email Seymour sent her a few weeks ago where he was rude to her and that this is simply to try stop his falling poll numbers
        
        I must get more popcorn
        
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        September 29, 2023 6:26pm
  - Martonman
    
    Reported in print version on RNZ.
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/499014/election-2023-act-party-would-call-for-public-submissions-on-covid-19-inquiry-terms-of-reference
    
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    September 29, 2023 4:00pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  This has always been his position I thought?
  
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  September 29, 2023 12:05pm
  - JimBobJoe
    
    No. He stated to Plunket on The Platform a number of weeks ago that he didn’t think playing with the Inquiry TOR was a good practice as it would undermine the stature of Royal Commissions
    
    This is very much a change of position…
    
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    September 29, 2023 6:05pm
- kevn
  
  Paul… Seymour has been ‘reading his tea leaves’.
  
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  September 29, 2023 2:55pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  This is a major change from ACT and Mr Seymour.
  
  David Seymour had a discussion with Sean Plunket on The Platfrom about 6-8 weeks ago where he said that ACT would not change the Commission of Inquiry Terms of Reference as it was messing with a highly valuable constitutional mechanism, and if they did it would mean that future Commissions would be undermine as they would no longer be seen as apolitical (lol is comment on that)
  
  The polling must be interesting…
  
  Good call by Syemour and co to broaden the TOR for an Inquiry…. lots to look at….
  
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  September 29, 2023 5:16pm
- Lee C
  
  Seymour is hemorrhaging potential votes with his frankly uninformed vax position.
  
  To quote someone I met recently. “I went to see Rivers of Freedom. The cinema was packed on a Sunday night and at the end of the film, everyone stood up and applauded. Something is happening.”
  
  Mr Seymour couldn’t pack out a cinema on a Sunday night.
  
  These are the votes he is pissing down the drain, right now.
  
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  September 30, 2023 7:31am
stiff cheese

Interesting to compare the TV news coverage of the rally at Parliament by Freedoms NZ.

Newshub had some comments from Tamaki. . . However Dallow’s crew didn’t play ANY audio of Brian Tamaki. No excerpts from his speech, nor any of his off-the-cuff remarks to reporters. Censorship by TV One?

And nothing allowed from Sue Gray either, who spoke really confidently by the way — not talking down to people. Just a natural orator, very comfortable talking to a crowd of people.
I don’t know what’s in Tamaki’s heart, I don’t follow his church, but his list of bad things was similar to mine:

• the UN
• Schwob and his World Economic Forum
• the climate change alarmism scam (he asked why are we importing dirty low grade coal (Indonesian?) while banning the use of our own high-grade stuff? )
• Blackrock
• promoting trans ideology to school kids.

I’m looking to express dissent with my vote. And there’s a LOT to dissent from, right now. Freedoms NZ look ‘odds on’ for my vote.

P.S. A funny thing about the malcontents who turned up on the sidelines, the so-called ‘counter protest’. Half of them were wearing face masks!… That’s right — still quaking in their organic sandals about the ‘vid!
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September 29, 2023 11:33am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “he asked why are we importing dirty low grade coal (Indonesian?) while banning the use of our own high-grade stuff? )”
  
  The owners of Huntly power station are free to use whatever coal they want. The only plausible explanation is that suitable New Zealand coal is more costly than Indonesian coal.
  
  There is no “ban” on using New Zealand coal.
  
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  September 29, 2023 11:51am
  - Paul Marsden
    
    That is correct. It’s way cheaper to import Indonesian coal due mainly to the volume mined by the supplier.
    
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    September 29, 2023 12:00pm
    - stiff cheese
      
      Okay, I’m no expert on coal but doesn’t dirty coal (lignite?) upon burning, create more ‘carbon emissions’ than the high-grade stuff?
      
      Then, add on the carbon emissions of transporting the coal here on ships. More emissions equals bad, right? (According to greenies).
      
      And if we’re not outright banning the mining of coal, we discourage it OR put onerous regulations on extracting it, don’t we? Which raises the costs — maybe that’s why importing is cheaper. Does Indonesia put any ‘green regulations’ on their mining operations?
      
      Something doesn’t add up. Tamaki wants us to use our own resources. We have coal. We have gas. We have oil. There is NO climate emergency.
      We can be more prosperous AND stop paying foreign exchange reserves to Indonesia AND burn cleaner more efficient coal AND make it cheaper by removing onerous regulations…. Net win for NZ.
      
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      September 29, 2023 12:33pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        It seems the emissions from Indonesian coal are not our emissions, but Indonesians
        
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        September 29, 2023 1:54pm
      - cmm
        
        “Okay, I’m no expert on coal but doesn’t dirty coal (lignite?) upon burning, create more ‘carbon emissions’ than the high-grade stuff? ”
        
        Well not really. Take carbon and burn it and it will output the same amount of CO2 as any other carbon. This is the same whether we’re talking about methane, coal, petrol etc. This is controlled by the formula C + O2 -> CO2.
        
        Indeed, if a carbon-based combustion is generating less CO2 then it can only do so through incomplete combustion (eg carbon monoxide: 2C + O2 -> 2CO). That can produce REAL pollutants as opposed to CO2 which is just plant food.
        
        Where it can differ is that the impurities require heating without generating any output (so are less efficient). They can also produce non-CO2 outputs (eg. sulphur compounds).
        
        High quality coal is really the stuff that is good for making steel etc. It is almost pure carbon with very little other crap in it. Burning this for fuel is a bit of a waste.
        
        Lyttleton loads a lot of coal onto ships going to various places. The last load I looked up was steel-making coal going to Japan.
        
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        September 29, 2023 2:08pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “It seems the emissions from Indonesian coal are not our emissions, but Indonesians”
        
        That is totally incorrect. Doesn’t matter where the coal originates, the power station owners need to by New Zealand Units to cover the emissions.
        
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        September 29, 2023 2:11pm
      - Guy Preston
        
        If I recall correctly my field trip to the Stockton Mine on the west coast, NZ coal is actually too good to burn for power, its properties make its best use in making steel.
        
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        September 29, 2023 2:13pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        The coal burnt in Huntly is not lignite. It is regular thermal coal. (Even if it was lignite, it would still be accounted for in the ETS.)
        
        Most of New Zealand coal that is exported is high grade coking coal.
        
        https://nzcoal.com/operations/rajah/
        
        That coal is not used in power stations.
        
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        September 29, 2023 2:15pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        I’d be pretty sure that Huntly has effective flu gas scrubbers to remove the majority of sulphur compounds from the exhaust. Thermal power stations are best run on cheap coal. Save the low impurity anthracite for metallurgical use.
        
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        September 29, 2023 3:08pm
  - Jack5
    
    The coal seams extend under the Huntly station, and also include coal-seam gas, a potential fuel.
    
    Genesis the generator owner, began phasing out coal five years ago, and closing local mining is probably more related to Green strategy.
    
    Indonesia rivals Australia as the world’s biggest coal exporter, and cost would obviously count in buying coal from that country.
    
    At a million tonnes or more a year, the effects on generating Huntly power will from now also be affected by the downward value of the NZ dollar; by rising costs of shipping and transport from NZ port; and by the international coal price.
    
    The price of Indonesian coal (loaded on ship) seems to be about $US117 a tonne (nearly $NZ200).
    
    If that’s accurate it would be costing NZ around $200 million a year for imported coal, when the country has plenty of its own resources. (Excluding the vast lignite resources, there are more than three billions of tonnes of unmined coal).
    
    https://www.genesisenergy.co.nz/about/news/genesis-establishes-a-pathway-to-a-coal-free-electricity-future
    
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    September 29, 2023 12:17pm
    - Jack5
      
      While Benedict Yu is correct in his statement that there is no ban on Huntly using NZ coal, we can’t assume that Genesis, the owner of Huntly generator was infallibly correct in its decision to buy Indonesian fuel.
      
      The chair of Genesis at the time (as in the link to my 12.17 post) was Jenny Shipley, a former Prime Minister.
      
      She seems to have been found fallible in business decisions:
      
      https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/former-new-zealand-prime-minister-ordered-pay-39-mln-after-company-collapse-2023-08-25/
      
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      September 29, 2023 12:47pm
    - Paul Marsden
      
      Correct, and sooner rather than later, commercial reality will be confronting political ideology head on. Watch the sparks fly then.
      
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      September 29, 2023 1:14pm
  - Sir David Henry
    
    The dispute over using Huntly coal was who was to pay for the stripping of the over burden so that the coal was available when wanted.
    
    Solid Energy wasn’t prepared to subsidise Genesis, and Genesis didn’t want to pay Solid Energy to have the coal ready, so they imported it.
    
    Some of you might remember the late 1980s scandal of how much waikato coal had been wasted by weathering after being stripped and waiting at the outcrop to mined and then burnt. Good old state coal days……
    
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    September 29, 2023 3:01pm
- Terry Dalee
  
  So no separation of Church and State then?
  
  Tamaki is cult leader. Simple as that.
  Look deeper, its all part of Destiny Church and to push their religious agenda into the political forum. And maybe to seek a 10% tithe from every NZer….
  
  If you’ve ever watched “The Handmaid’s Tale”, Brian Tamaki is NZ’s version of Gilead. The guy ordained himself as a Bishop…
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/bishop-fulfils-his-destiny/CJVEVU4IXFE43KLSD43NU3WCVM/
  
  He even has his own “City” in Manukau.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/destiny-church-to-build-its-own-town/ZNDQOKUFFAJLT4OOZ6OIFYNENQ/
  
  Let us now Prey….
  
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  September 29, 2023 11:52am
  - stiff cheese
    
    And all the others bending a knee to Agenda 2030/ Net Zero? Are they not a ‘cult’?
    
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    September 29, 2023 12:44pm
- Matt Long
  
  I think there’s another reason the antifa mob wear masks.
  
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  September 29, 2023 11:53am
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘I’m looking to express dissent with my vote’
  
  Pointless gesture as no one will notice or care
  Freedom Party = Wasted Vote, but up to you
  
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  September 29, 2023 12:09pm
wsk12345

Podcast recommendation- latest episode of Triggernometry. Benjamin dichter who was one of the leaders of the Canadian truckers convoy. Really interesting thoughts on Trudeau being a puppet for the bureaucracy and of the “una-party” of the two “sides” (bit like what we have here).

He has quite a bit of knowledge of politics…. Also talks about how they used bitcoin when the go fund me/frozen bank account issues occurred. He’s quite an advocate for cryptocurrency.
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September 29, 2023 11:37am
amospicton

[double post]

It’s called respect for your opponents. Do you seriously suggest that they refer to them as ‘no-hopers’ in public? Much better to do that talking via actions on the pitch.
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September 29, 2023 12:26pm
rockape

Voter turnout at the last election was just over 81%. My guess is it will be lower this time and that will have a big influence on the result. I expect the opposition will benefit from this ,not the current government and its associated parties the Greens and Maori party.
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September 29, 2023 12:43pm
- kowtow
  
  Guesswork here .
  
  The same people who can’t be arsed to do the census .
  Yet the whole Establishment bends over to pander to them.
  
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  September 29, 2023 2:15pm
Ghost

National releases fiscal plan

Love this part

Willis was asked if she was happy with reduced spending “for the sake of very slightly lower debt and very slightly higher surpluses”.

“For you to believe that this is only slightly lower debt, and slightly lower spending, you need to believe that Labour are going to stick to the plan they set out in the pre-election update,” Willis said.

“And if you believe that, I guess you also believe in the tooth fairy, because they are not going to stick to the commitments they have made.

“We should judge them on their track record, which is they have never stuck to a single Budget operating allowance that they have set.”
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September 29, 2023 12:55pm
- bjools
  
  Facts are facts
  Labour, the premise that the very party that ruined our economy, recons they can fix it. HAHAHA
  
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  September 29, 2023 1:17pm
- Grunter
  
  A good reply.
  
  But the true comparison is this plan vs Bill English in 2017……
  
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  September 29, 2023 4:57pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump wants to buy a Glock. A special one.

I always thought Trump had about 5 hand guns, and a concealed carry permit depending on State.

Trump representative Steven Cheung posted a video of Trump at the gun shop and commented, “President Trump purchases a @GLOCKInc in South Carolina.”

You see, as a person under investigation and felony indictment charges, Trump is not legally allowed to buy firearms, according to federal law. It also bars any such individual from receiving a gun “which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce,” per ABC.

https://rightsandfreedomnews.com/2023/09/28/trump-announces-hes-buying-a-glock-during-gun-shop-visit/

Notice the included tweet by Mary Trump, who hates his guts.
I can see where that crazy bitch is headed. She will say Donald Trump did buy the gun but had to return it. But he has committed a crime anyway.
Mary Trump is not the full quid.
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September 29, 2023 12:55pm
- MCōs
  
  Your infatuation with the Trump family doesn’t extend to young Mary, I see.
  
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  September 29, 2023 3:42pm
goNZ1

Looking at the Nats presser just now on their financial plan, the MSM are beside themselves ,yelling at Luxon,arguing,general disrespect. The anti-Luxon bias is so blatant when Hipkins isnt given anything like the same treatment!!
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September 29, 2023 12:55pm
- Damocles11
  
  They are going berserk, losing their collective minds.
  
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  September 29, 2023 1:13pm
  - MCōs
    
    Who are?
    
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    September 29, 2023 3:35pm
- Paul Marsden
  
  They did the same to John Key. Leopards never change their spots.
  
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  September 29, 2023 1:35pm
  - kingerstinger
    
    It remains to be seen how Luxon goes, but it was delicious when Key was untouchable and the media screamed themselves hoarse, only to get absolutely fucking nowhere.
    
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    September 29, 2023 3:49pm
BananaLlama

Maori leaders only have themselves to blame for the situation they now find themselves in with calls for a referendum on the treaty of Waitangi during an election and their academic minions in the media are doing them no favors by attacking the voting public who are going to have the final say.
It’s amazing just how out of touch they seem to be with public sentiment.
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September 29, 2023 1:22pm
Maggie Pie

Complete this sentence –

‘IMPORT THE THIRD WORLD, BECOME……….’

https://twitter.com/RMarchNZ/status/1707184670008578188

And name ONE thing this impoort has ever done for the betterment of NZ?
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September 29, 2023 1:43pm
- Ghost
  
  A Remuera housed refugee?
  
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  September 29, 2023 1:46pm
- kevn
  
  Maggie… When Tijuana spends his ‘hard earned’ salary, he pays GST?
  
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  September 29, 2023 2:42pm
- Swifty
  
  I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a one-sided hammering in the comments.
  
  What an absolute reaming he took.
  
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  September 29, 2023 3:29pm
goNZ1

part of the problem is PM Aderns first speech at Waitangi 2017 where she dramatically and naively raised Maori expectations, and set in train the race based policies.. Albo is making the same mistake with the Voice in Australia,causing mayhem over there too.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-makes-historic-speech-at-waitangi/TOIAJPB77CTRLBHUOCRRLDC55E/
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September 29, 2023 1:44pm
- kowtow
  
  Problem goes back at least to ToW Act 1975.
  
  I suspect Ardern was keen to get cogovernce well entrenched for the 200 th ie 2040 , and thereby a “lasting legacy”.
  
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  September 29, 2023 2:20pm
mogg

Hipkins in our local mall today, he offered to shake hands I refused, I asked “ where has all the money gone”, no reply.
The cops are like politicians they like to be seen by the cameras, when the cameras have gone, the cops have gone with them .
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September 29, 2023 1:49pm
- Grunter
  
  Good stuff! Hope you didn’t catch something being that close….?
  
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  September 29, 2023 4:48pm
I remember when

Online Stuff under heading –
Campaign shifts gear – with some raising concerns about ‘dog whistling’ and ‘racism.’
Includes –
(Most iwi and marae leaders are elected.)

Doesn’t mention how many of the 700,000 to 800,000 Maori have ever placed a vote in even one of those elections.
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September 29, 2023 2:08pm
Gravelroad

This business of the large sinkhole in urban Auckland spilling out human waste into the harbour.
Imagine if this had happened in a farming area or provincial setting and sewage was emptied into “our rivers and sacred waterways.”
We would never hear the end of it.
Farmers would be blamed and demonised for months. Lengthy investigations would be set up and fines demanded.
But Auckland people seem to be taking this with no such bother. The guy on newstalkzb this lunchtime saying it was a shame that people wouldn’t be able to go fishing and swimming during the school holidays and let’s hope it’s all fixed up by the weekend.
Really?
No comparative mention either about the great sewage down the hospital wall debacle from the Labour Party hypocrites.
Different when in Auckland perhaps.
(Apologies if this has already been threaded. Been out).
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September 29, 2023 2:29pm
- BananaLlama
  
  lol Aucklanders don’t have a problem with farmers no idea where this meme comes from, sewage spilling out onto local beaches while activists cry about dairy farmers has been a constant source of ridicule up here.
  
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  September 29, 2023 2:33pm
greybeard

Sanitarium supplies Weetbix to The Warehouse, Foodstuffs and Countdown.

The Warehouse regularly sells it for at least $1 less than the other two.

The other two are pissed-off and demand that Sanitarium cease supplying The Warehouse otherwise they themselves will stop buying all Sanitarium products.

Sanitarium complies.

How is that for a theory?
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September 29, 2023 2:36pm
- Ghost
  
  Sanitarium have said there is a shortage
  
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  September 29, 2023 2:42pm
  - Damocles11
    
    There is such a ‘shortage’ that they have to stop supplying The Warehouse altogether, but can continue to supply the supermarkets….yeah, that doesn’t make sense.
    
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    September 29, 2023 3:23pm
  - Blog-aholic
    
    Santarium are playing a dangerous game. If they have a shortage then they will need to supply their customers on a pro-rata basis based upon the Warehouse previous purchase volumes likewise Woolworths and Foodstuffs. Excluding one customer on the basis of supply issues is not a viable or legal excuse. Contracts will apply.
    
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    September 29, 2023 3:39pm
    - Ghost
      
      Weetbix is the only product pulled, marmite and ricies and Light N Tasty will still be sold by warehouse. If it was anything other than supply I’d expect Santarium would pull all their products. But as the Commerce Commission is involved we will find out what’s going on soon
      
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      September 29, 2023 3:54pm
- Paul Marsden
  
  I wonder if the matter will attract the attention of ComCom?
  
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  September 29, 2023 3:00pm
  - Ghost
    
    They’re already involved.
    
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    September 29, 2023 3:08pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Already has according to ZB….they are ‘looking into it’
    A talkback caller maintained the supermarkets threatened to relegate Weetbix to their bottom shelves if Sanitorium continued supplying the Wharehouse.
    
    When my partner heard about it, he said nothing can or will be done.
    Reckons that ComCom are as useless as tits on gumboots.
    
    Just saying.
    
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    September 29, 2023 3:14pm
    - Swifty
      
      Sounds like cartel behaviour, if true.
      
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      September 29, 2023 3:38pm
      - Paul Marsden
        
        And/or a restrictive trade practice.
        
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        September 29, 2023 4:04pm
    - Prince
      
      Sounds like a job for (…drumroll, suspenseful pause…footsteps approaching, ) THE GROCERY COMMISSIONER !
      Faster than a speeding bullet, x-ray vision, he has eyes everywhere.
      
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      September 29, 2023 3:59pm
      - Ghost
        
        The grocery commissioner is Sanitarium’s former general manager
        
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        September 29, 2023 4:22pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Well then Ghost, he’ll have to recuse himself for a start.
        Why is it that everything Labor touches sound so jolly incestuous?
        
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        September 29, 2023 4:56pm
      - Damocles11
        
        A Labour appointee, so he’s the ‘Grocery Commissar’.
        
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        September 29, 2023 8:53pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  That’s the way I read it.
  
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  September 29, 2023 4:06pm
Ghost

Unacceptable, but good to see Barbara Kuriger supported her

A Labour candidate says she was slapped by an aggressive member of the public while at a local election debate this week.
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September 29, 2023 3:03pm
- Swifty
  
  She’s lucky a dildo or mud wasn’t thrown at her – in that case the media would have just treated it as a big joke.
  
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  September 29, 2023 3:15pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Vid…. or it never happened.
  
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  September 29, 2023 3:18pm
  - Paul Marsden
    
    A complaint to the Police would suffice.
    
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    September 29, 2023 3:25pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Dave as the school girls being spat on during the Wellington protest and the police having a corrosive substance sprayed on them. Turned out to be there own pepper spray because the wind was blowing the wrong way ffs.
    
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    September 29, 2023 3:34pm
  - Blog-aholic
    
    Everyone these days has a phone that they use to video. The internet if full of videoed garbage so if a video exists it happened otherwise it is not true.
    
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    September 29, 2023 3:43pm
    - Ghost
      
      You can ask Barbara Kuriger if it happened since she is thanked for her support. But since a police complaint has been made you can wait and see what happens.
      
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      September 29, 2023 3:59pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Wonder how Marama’s complaint to thr police about being run over by a motorbike is progressing? Asking for a friend.
        
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        September 29, 2023 4:32pm
- kowtow
  
  Hipkins has made a very strong defence of people being able to speak in public and not be molested ;
  
  and no that wasn’t his poistion on the assault on Posie Parker and no , nobody has called his hypocrisy out.
  
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  September 29, 2023 5:19pm
  - Prince
    
    Really, when did he make that strong defence ?
    
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    September 29, 2023 9:01pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

How to force everyone into EVs even though they don’t want them. Biden style. Just ban everything that is connected with fuel.
NZ does not yet know the total damage that Ardern has done. The bit that pisses me off is she walks away and is not responsible.

https://rightwingarmy.com/theteapartydaily/biden-proposes-50-year-ban-on-mining-in-new-mexico-ensuring-chinese-ev-dominance/
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September 29, 2023 3:40pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING NOW

MIKE PENCE, the Presidential hopeful and big nark sounds like he’s toast….

https://twitter.com/Libertarians4DT/status/1707502252078821416

Something I’ve long suspected. You can pick them a mile off 🙁
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September 29, 2023 4:29pm
- Damocles11
  
  Trump couldn’t pick it though….duped again…..#OnlyTheBestPeople.
  
  If this is true, how many ‘Conservative Christian’ politicians in the US is that now? Seems to be one of these stories every couple of months. Why are they all hiding double lives, being hypocrites, and not facing up to their true sexual preferences? And how on earth do they think they can keep their gay sex lives secret?
  
  This story is almost identical to the one they’ve been running on Obama, the details are almost identical – it looks like they’ve just swapped out the names.
  
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  September 29, 2023 4:44pm
- Ghost
  
  Is the gay prostitute big Mike?
  
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  September 29, 2023 4:45pm
- NothingLeft
  
  what a cliche. Though very hard to believe given amount of work that goes into vetting presidential candidates, and this is an era when lies about such things get uncritical traction incredibly easily.
  
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  September 29, 2023 5:07pm
  - Ghost
    
    Though very hard to believe given amount of work that goes into vetting presidential candidates
    
    Have you seen the last several presidents? Maybe the vetting was broken
    
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    September 29, 2023 7:23pm
Albie

I was only a kid watching Bill Rowling trying desperately to score a hit against Muldoon on the parents Philips K9 TV.
Watching Chip Hiskins in his high pitched voice yappity yapping at Luxon the other day on the leaders debate brought back distant memories.
Back to 2023, it’s a shame old Luxo doesn’t have a bit more of Muldoon’s mongrel in him.
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September 29, 2023 4:34pm
- Prince
  
  Muldoon had the luxury of FPP – he didn’t need to build coalitions, or worry about coalitions acting against him.
  
  It is interesting to note that in 1975, when National won ‘by a landslide’ under Muldoon, the results were:
  National 48%
  Labour 40%
  Social Credit 7%
  Values 5%
  
  So under MMP, a coalition of Labour/SC/Values could have governed.
  
  And in 1978,
  National 39.8%
  Labour 40.4%
  Social Credit 16.1%
  Values 2.4%
  
  So Labour had the most votes. Social Credit again the Kingmaker under MMP. Muldoon won through more electorate seats (51 to 40, amazing given the popular vote), and FPP. Social Credit, with 16% of the vote, got one seat !
  
  Again in 1981,
  National 38.8% (47 seats)
  Labour 39.0% (43 seats)
  Social Credit 20.7% (2 seats !)
  
  So, different times, different tactics.
  
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  September 29, 2023 8:59pm
Damocles11

Register here for Robbo’s Removals –

https://www.robbos.co.nz/#register
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September 29, 2023 4:39pm
- nathie
  
  Heh that’s sooo funny, well done TPU!
  
  Kinda feels like 2008 again when the unmistakable vibe was Labour is going down! Way down!
  
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  September 29, 2023 8:06pm
Jack5

Doctors get minimal coverage and support from the news media as they continue their pay dispute.

This is unlike enthusiastic media backing for claims by nurses or teachers, both professional hotbeds of Labour support.

Rumours are that Labour’s health plans include filling the doctor shortage with “nurse practitioners”.

I’ve heard of one serious misdiagnosis by a nurse practitioner practice. Maybe others are better, but Labour’s reported nurse-practitioner plan seems akin to Mao’s “barefoot doctor” answer to Communist China’s early medical problems.

GPs are under enormous pressure.

Politicians of the Right should be expressing support for the country’s beleaguered doctors – GPs, hospital doctors, and specialists.

Here is one exception to the news media’s near-blackout on the national health crisis, especially as it affects health professionals.

Radio NZ reported the view of Tauranga cardiologist Dean Boddington, and it’s worth repeating here:

Boddington believed highly paid Te Whatu Ora executives were exploiting the professionalism of healthcare workers’ desire to care and heal.

“This goodwill by all of these employees has been taken advantage of for far too long. The senior executive team members can earn between $438,400 per year and $770,000 per year.

Labour, no longer the party of the working class, represents the Wellington Leftist elite, such as health bureaucrats (as well as representing and now championing racial separation).

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300979804/senior-doctors-call-off-strike-cardiologist-takes-aim-at-overpaid-health-executives
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September 29, 2023 4:39pm
- Keith White
  
  Jack, I have worked in a number of countries which have nurse practitioners, physicians assistants etc filling in the staffing gaps. Done well and not done just to save money, and in a system with robust medicolegal redress if the nurses overstep their diagnosis and treatment skill-boundaries, it can work quite well.
  
  But… if it becomes widespread in New Zealand – and I hope I’m wrong predicting this possibility – then coupled with there being zero ability to sue practitioners and administrators because of our ACC legislation, I think there’s a really good chance we will get a cheap and nasty service which will crank up both morbidity and mortality and against which we will have no redress.
  
  Those who follow the media about the things that have gone badly wrong in New Zealand practices and hospitals in recent years, and who have also some international living experience, will be able to attest that the things which my ex-profession and medical administrators and so forth routinely get away with the New Zealand, would equally routinely be the subject of multi-million dollar settlements.
  
  NZ’s no-fault compensation plus the PIJF means that NZ’s hospital managers and staff just have to look contrite, provide a vague apology, wait for the story to retreat from the headlines (or never hit headlines if it’s the result of Angry Andy’s Apartheid Agenda), then it’s back to the usual and bury the mistakes.
  
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  September 29, 2023 5:19pm
  - rockape
    
    Well my wife is an NP in the hospital ED. She is one of two. The consultants think highly of them as not only are they well qualified, masters in nursing science, but they have experience lacking in so many junior doctors. In my wife’s case 34 years as an ED nurse. I know who I would rather be seen by. An experienced NP or a junior doc straight out of uni with no real hospital experience. But then again I am biased.
    
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    September 29, 2023 8:27pm
- Damocles11
  
  Who does well in communist / socialist countries?
  Bureaucrats. It’s always all about the bureaucrats.
  
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  September 29, 2023 6:53pm
- NothingLeft
  
  A majority of what GPs do can now (or will very soon) be replaced by Medical AI’s with perfect recall of basically all medical literature/knowledge in concert with a nurse able to do hands on aspects of diagnosis and treatment, and able to transfer cases to more highly skilled people where necessary. You can bet there is huge development going on in this area.
  
  And over next 5-10 years the AIs will get far far better, with addition of diagnostic sensors, cameras ultrasound xray etc. Medicine is going to get a lot better and cheaper.
  
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  September 29, 2023 7:23pm
  - Jack5
    
    AI, basically algorithms, has been around for a long time, but the hype level is recent.
    
    On progress, some of the claims are valid, especially those arising from advances in computer processing with gear from the likes of Nvidia.
    
    But AI is also a vogue topic. We need to be sceptical about more extravagant claims, some motivated by entrepreneurs planning to float big ventures on US stock exchanges. Medical AI start-ups will likely be among those hyped up.
    
    https://www.ft.com/content/5671094e-6b09-43a2-9a11-7bc19f382793
    
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    September 29, 2023 8:46pm
- rouppe
  
  My sister is a nurse practicioner. Pain management. We’re not talking just Panadol.
  
  Virtually every doctor and nurse in Auckland Hospital defers to her judgement on medication and dosage.
  
  Mainly because she’s there and available when the consultant or surgeon often isn’t.
  
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  September 29, 2023 7:44pm
  - Jack5
    
    The responses to my comment suggesting Labour would replace most GPs with nurse practitioners, has drawn many replies.
    
    However, they are about nurse practitioners working in hospitals with other health professionals. I have no doubt they are doing a fine job.
    
    Does anyone here have experience or knowledge of medical practices, the equivalent of GP practices, comprising all nurse practitioners?
    
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    September 29, 2023 9:42pm
    - rouppe
      
      No but I don’t think that’s the point. A practice will never be 100% nurse practicioner.
      
      But you don’t need to be a GP to prescribe flucloxacillin, or recommend a tetanus shot, or clean a wound or in my case recently lance a fingernail due to a crush injury.
      
      Nurse practicioners are an underutilised skill
      
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      September 30, 2023 9:33am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Coffee drinker? I detest the shit. (but tea has caffeine)
The coffee bean does not grow out you back door, neither do tea bushes.
But year, forget diesel and we go EVs.

https://2020conservative.com/why-they-are-telling-people-to-stop-drinking-coffee-will-make-your-blood-boil-2/
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September 29, 2023 4:59pm
thirteenstars

Here’s the Newshub report over the accusations of racism from various Left activists and politicians.

It’s prefaced with comments from NZF’s Rangitata candidate, Robert Ballantyne, which in my opinion are perfectly acceptable because he’s not referring to Maori per se (as the reporter says) but to the activists of all stripes whose agenda it is to impose a non-democratic system on this country.

Shame Luxon agreed at the debate when asked by Hipkins if Ballantyne’s comments were racist. They are most certainly not but that’s Luxon for you. Let’s all just agree that menopause sick leave is something worth considering.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_c08dG7KsY

Prissy, disingenuous stuff from Willow Jean-Prime.

Hipkins: “They reach out to New Zealanders with one-liners like, one system for all.”

Talk about hanging yourself in public. They’re not even trying to hide their contempt. The mask is off and the sneering student activist mentality is on full display.
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September 29, 2023 5:02pm
- Prince
  
  I agree with you re Luxon’s approach.
  He should have said:
  ‘I’d need to see the contec\xt of that quote. It doesn’t sound good, but let’s hear his defence, if any ? And you should address your question to his Leader, Mr Peters.
  Also, I can produce lots of racist stuff from Greens and TMP.
  ‘Cis white males are responsible for all the violence in the world’ ?
  ‘Māori genetic makeup is stronger than others’ ?
  Are you OK with supporting Greens and Te Maori Party based on those quotes, Mr Hipkins ?
  
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  September 29, 2023 7:44pm
igm

This attempt at political deception must cease . . .
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300979480/nz-election-2023-live-grant-robertson-slams-outrageous-cuts-in-nationals-fiscal-plan
It is criminal how taxpayers’ money is being used to promote this rubbish by way of PJIF.
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September 29, 2023 5:06pm
- rouppe
  
  It’s as though Grant thinks spending can never go down
  
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  September 29, 2023 7:33pm
  - nathie
    
    Well only if it is Labour doing the spending – Robbo would say “that’s ok, we are looking after NZers”!
    
    But if it were National doing the spending – Robbo would say “wasteful boondoggle spending”!
    
    That’s the Liarbour Party for you … good riddance.
    
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    September 29, 2023 7:56pm
Maggie Pie

Watched the start of 1Ewes. You get the feeling Simon has been told that if Labor loses the election, he’s going to be outta there.

Looks & sounds like such a big pussy these days….its a wonder Ali left him.
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September 29, 2023 6:26pm
Warren

You can tell that Katie Bradford couldn’t find a hole in National’s latest financial forcast as she couldn’t give One News Announcer Simon Dallow anything to criticize Chris Luxon with .
Earlier Grant Robertson was showing anger about Nationals bookkeeping even though a lot say they could see past his creative bookkeeping.
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September 29, 2023 6:34pm
- Prince
  
  I thought Bradford was quite fair. Comes down to who you believe – Robertson, with his record, or Willis, who seems to hold up well.
  Who is more likely to manage costs ?
  Who is more likely to give some relief to middle income NZ ?
  
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  September 29, 2023 7:38pm
kevn

ACT has acted…
https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/general-elections/covid-royal-commission-public-to-set-terms-of-reference-act/#comment-72790
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September 29, 2023 6:55pm
- Damocles11
  
  Well that’s Winston’s goose cooked then.
  
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  September 29, 2023 8:54pm
  - kevn
    
    Dam… If only.
    
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    September 29, 2023 9:30pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
Bit late today so I will re-post in the morning. There was a post, but no link to it. I left a message but did not want to text Julian because he is busy in Wellington.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/national-party-using-labours-trickery-and-deceit-strategies-to-fool-voters-about-co-governance/

Download the audio, it is not click and play.
I am now thinking of two ticks blue, sorry Mr Seymour sir.
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September 29, 2023 8:15pm
- DimChappie
  
  Steve, Two ticks Blue? You mean both votes for National after what Julian has posted? Please explain or have I misunderstood?
  
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  September 29, 2023 8:51pm
Prince

Can anyone tell me where Maiki Sherman’s claim that maori on average income would get $4.15 a week from National’s tax plan ?
According to MBIE, the mean weekly income for Maori is $1,020.
https://www.mbie.govt.nz/business-and-employment/employment-and-skills/employment-strategy/maori-employment-action-plan/annexes/overview-of-maori-employment-outcomes-in-aotearoa-new-zealand/

When I put that through National’s tax calculator, single person, no dependants, I get a tax benefit of $24.27 a week. No bad, certainly better than $1.20 GST relief.

Where does Maiki get he number from ?
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September 29, 2023 9:55pm
Jack5

Auckland isn’t the only gangland

Once-quiet Sweden is considering sending its army into the streets to put down gang violence.

According to a UK report (link below):

The violence is being fuelled by a feud between Rawa Majid who lives in Turkey and his former lieutenant Ismail Abdo, known as ‘The Strawberry, whose mother, a woman in her 60s, was shot on September 7 and later died of her wounds.

The Woke and other liberals sold us a pup when they held up multiculturism as sociology’s heaven on earth.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12574241/Sweden-considers-deploying-troops-stamp-gangland-violence-PM-holds-crisis-meeting-night-bloodshed-Stockholm-wave-12-killings-month-including-boy-13.html
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