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Matt Long

Wishart says he has the goods on Shaw, announcement at 10.
https://twitter.com/investigatemag/status/1704206836453495088
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September 20, 2023 8:15am
- kevn
  
  Can’t wait…
  
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  September 20, 2023 8:30am
  - Frank the tank
    
    The feckless won’t report it though
    
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    September 20, 2023 8:51am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      It is a classic example of media bias. If this were a National or ACT MP, let alone the Party Leader, there would be a media firestorm.
      
      Whatever this guy comes up with, James Shaw will remain silent, and so will the media. Ian Wishart may as well be shouting into an empty canyon.
      
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      September 20, 2023 9:52am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Sounds like JAMES might have been ‘gaslighting’ people.
    
    😀 😀 😀
    
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    September 20, 2023 8:58am
    - kevn
      
      aka lying.
      
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      September 20, 2023 9:55am
    - cmm
      
      Surely him identifying as a person with degrees is good enough? To say otherwise is hate speech. Be careful if someone throws tomato soup at you.
      
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      September 20, 2023 10:12am
      - RoboRob
        
        Yeah ‘What is a degree’?
        
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        September 20, 2023 11:05am
      - slightlyrighty
        
        When the Greens start talking about removing a few degrees from global temperature, I don’t think Shaw understood….
        
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        September 20, 2023 11:47am
  - rockape
    
    You may have to, likely to be a damp squib.
    
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    September 20, 2023 10:46am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  IF he has to resign that is TWO Green Co Leaders that have had to resign under a cloud.
  
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  September 20, 2023 9:03am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Don’t forget Ardern.
    
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    September 20, 2023 9:15am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Clan
      
      I’m still not sure how she managed to empty her tank after her six week long publically funded holiday instead of before !?!
      
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      September 20, 2023 10:13am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    He won’t resign. No matter what Ian Wishart comes up with.
    
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    September 20, 2023 9:53am
    - David Garrett
      
      Bene: I am presently in Tonga and I see nothing on Stuff…what is Shaw alleged to have done – other than claim he had completed a BA when he hadn’t ??
      
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      September 20, 2023 11:05am
      - Matt Long
        
        Also may have lied about his master’s and lied about founding a company.
        
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        September 20, 2023 11:10am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Shaw got a Masters in the UK which requires a BA or a pretty good reason for dispensation. His entire career is based on this.
        Wishart is trying to find out how he got accepted for his Masters when he clearly wasn’t qualified.
        Shaw is blocking his requests.
        
        Shaw’s former boss at PWC (who now works for a Transparency non-profit) has come out and said Shaw needs to be honest about his qualifications.
        
        That’s it unfortunately.
        
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        September 20, 2023 11:21am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        The main outstanding question is – Did he claim he had a degree to get a job at PWC, when he had no such degree? He had dropped out of university. The requirements for the job were an Honours Degree at a minimum. Having had a bit to do with such firms, the chances of such a firm employing a university drop out – NIL.
        
        Of course we will never know unless PWC releases its records, if they still exist. If James Shaw remains silent, it is simply speculation by a journalist. In that case the story will die away.
        
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        September 20, 2023 12:22pm
- kevn
  
  10.05am… whats happening?
  
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  September 20, 2023 10:06am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    https://ianwishart.com/2023/09/james-shaws-ex-boss-justifiable-public-interest-to-probe-your-msc-degree/
    
    It should be more important than 10 year-old opinions about flouride, but not sure the MSM will run with it.
    It is about as much in the public interest as the financials of the Waiparera Trust, around the character or our politicians.
    Oh, look! A squirrel!
    (Having progressive principles the MSM can agree with is far more important than whether you are actually a liar or a crook in their narrative).
    
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    September 20, 2023 11:02am
    - Frank the tank
      
      If this was a National/Act MP this would be front page news and lead the news for the night.
      
      The feckless however don’t want to acknowledge this though. Perhaps some should forward to HDPA or the Hosk?
      
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      September 20, 2023 11:34am
  - Matt Long
    
    Not quite Watergate, just building pressure, I’d say Shaw will be sweating
    https://ianwishart.com/2023/09/james-shaws-ex-boss-justifiable-public-interest-to-probe-your-msc-degree/
    
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    September 20, 2023 11:09am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It does not really shed any more light.
  
  ““I was never aware what degree James Shaw had actually been awarded,” he says, as “this was not key to the limited assignment which he and other AIESEC colleagues were working on.” [Jermyn Brooks – former managing global partner of accounting and auditing giant Price Waterhouse Coopers (PWC)]
  
  https://ianwishart.com/2023/09/james-shaws-ex-boss-justifiable-public-interest-to-probe-your-msc-degree/
  
  A big reveal would be evidence that James Shaw falsely claimed he had a degree from VUW to land a job at PWC. However Ian Wishart provides no such evidence.
  
  If this is the best he has got, the story will die out.
  
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  September 20, 2023 11:39am
artemisia

“Financial crisis’ at Wellington City Council, apparently, but ratepayers are not allowed to know details. Yet, anyway, as more time is needed for the PR team to work their magic. Meanwhile spending plans continue apace.

As part of the council’s Zero Waste Strategy* options to be considered all include food scraps being diverted from landfill. Yes, all, but not to worry the Council has applied for taxpayer funding for up to half the processing facility with the rest paid by guess who. There will of course be a business case, maybe even a spreadsheet, right?

Also sounds like panic in the Council. Considering reducing commercial rates and increasing rates on vacant land, called landbanking because that sounds like rich pricks. Idea is to encourage “housing or something the city really needs” according to Councillor Rebecca Matthews. More housing might work. Well located vacant land might attract those very rich overseas investors for their high end bolt holes. Of course don’t get much for $2mill these days. Not so desirable land – perfick for high density social housing. Neighbours – get planning for your next move to take advantage of a big bump in value. Or not, depending on the new owner.

*AKA He anamata para kore mō Pōneke
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September 20, 2023 8:23am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh, thank Goodness your Mayor has been able to fly away on her junket before the bad news hit.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/wellington-mayor-tory-whanau-and-council-officials-on-50000-asia-trip/WPENLHRQ7RGIVGQXEZ422QWSUY/
  
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  September 20, 2023 9:33am
  - Matt Long
    
    This just proves misogynistic racism as Whiteys have no problem with other Whiteys wasting money according to the left.
    
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    September 20, 2023 9:42am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    What a junket 🤯.
    
    ““Having not sent a Wellington City delegation to Asia in four years, this trip represents a well-overdue opportunity to connect us once again with the world, driving opportunities to promote our city as a world-class place to visit, live and work, as well as helping to drive new business ventures that help our local film, sport and education sectors.”
    
    What a joke. How is Wellington “a world class” place to live and work? It is a city that has dramatically declined. It is crime ridden, with a failing city centre, and failing transport and other infrastructure. The Council is broke, run by a communist. There are only two thriving industries. The public service and residential property speculation.
    
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    September 20, 2023 10:02am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Welcome to a vision of the New Zimbabwe we are entering.
      
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      September 20, 2023 10:36am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Wellington – holding pen for sniveling socialists.
      
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      September 20, 2023 10:53am
    - RoboRob
      
      Like these ‘Trips to preomote our city’ are anything more than a job perk for local govt administrators. Same thing with ‘Sister cities’, zero benefit for the cities involved, just an excuse for each city involved to give favoured staff an overseas holiday at rate payers expense.
      
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      September 20, 2023 11:09am
  - John Loveridge
    
    Good grief. Have these grifters no shame?
    
    How much of the $50k will be eaten up by Whanau’s booze bill?
    
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    September 20, 2023 7:57pm
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  So will this policy of charging higher rates on vacant land so as to encourage the owners to do something productive with it, apply to Peter Jackson? Who is doing precisely what the Council say they are against – buying up land with the express purpose of preventing housing from being built on it.
  
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  September 20, 2023 12:06pm
kowtow

I reckon the massive Captains’s Call by Hipkins to flip flop on Labour’s flagship release the prisoners on the New Zealand public and initiate an unprecedented crime emergency was done yesterday deliberately , knowing their accomplices in te media pa ahti could give them cover under the guise of debate coverage .

It is not in today’s print version of the Herald .That’s a shocking emission.And has to be deliberate.

The Herald does have a very unflatering account of Seymour on home ground in Remmers.Surprie surprise.Last night on the self described tv1 “news” there was a thing on some climate conference but again it was couched in terms of a political attck on Act using Simon Court as the skeptic .

Our msm deserve to fail , bigly.

They have actively declined their ,what they’d claim to be an almost sacred, duty to hold power to account , they are trying desperately to keep power where they want it.
For both ideological and financial reasons .
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September 20, 2023 8:23am
- Nickc2
  
  they are trying desperately to keep power where they want it
  This has become so blatant that they don’t even try to hide it.
  Who in their right mind would punt up a Debate Moderator whose partner/husband/lover/ . . . . . was charged with protecting Cindy Ardern?
  While there is a crime of Insider Trading, wasn’t Jess Hyphen Hyphen’s appointment as Debate Moderator an open and shut case of ‘stacking the bases’?
  
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  September 20, 2023 9:48am
  - Damocles11
    
    I’m still steaming about the utterly biased ‘panel’ last night, and silent T’s whopping porkies about ‘he’d have to sell half of Auckland’ and ‘he’s talking to the far right’. The far right ffs! I’ve never seen anything like it in multiple decades of watching NZ political discourse. Even Sherman pulled him up on the ‘far right’ comment, it was so outrageous.
    
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    September 20, 2023 2:37pm
- kowtow
  
  * emission .
  
  Doh , of course that’s omission .
  
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  September 20, 2023 9:55am
  - sirknz
    
    Emission still fits when talking about the media.
    
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    September 20, 2023 11:23am
Matt Long

Replies to Lee’s Galloway grand coalition ideas.
“Ideologically, significant closer to each other than to the Greens or Act, certainly. Negotiations would be much easier. ”
https://twitter.com/JustDonika/status/1704087054685175870
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September 20, 2023 8:24am
- Grunter
  
  Yep, Labour are gone, they will be low 20%’s (maybe less).
  
  And the Nats have effectively ‘cut their lunch’ by match-racing them on most policies apart from crime. Meanwhile, the radical Greens & Maori Parties have stolen Labour’s left-wing policies (Welfare Tax, CGT, etc.). So post-election the hard left of Labour will flee to the Greens & Labour.
  
  Meanwhile, ACT will continue to take more of the traditional right/centre-right. Which possibly places them as the new opposition to centre-left National in the 2026 election.
  
  So the good news is Labour are now the walking dead. But we need a much bigger shift towards less tax/less govt more entrepernurship/innovation/productivity if we are to thrive as a country. The Nats won’t make that shift.
  
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  September 20, 2023 8:57am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Act is losing support back to Nats because the threats of instability, he will never get them back
    
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    September 20, 2023 9:15am
  - rockape
    
    Is Nat 30% , ACT 30%’ Labour/Green 40% a real prospect in 2029?
    
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    September 20, 2023 9:15am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      No
      
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      September 20, 2023 9:16am
  - hullkiwi
    
    What a load of rubbish. National is a centre/right party. End of story!
    
    The rubbish espoused on a regular basis by yourself and other Act supporters on this site is insulting to every National party member and person working for National’s election effort.
    
    You would do yourself (& may be Act) a favour if you learned to think about what you are saying before hitting your keyboard.
    
    A simple question for you and other Actoids, do you understand the concept of coalition in a MMP political environment?
    
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    September 20, 2023 10:16am
    - Grunter
      
      Ha!
      
      Obviously a nerve hit…..hullkiwi? Thanks for the compliment.
      
      I guess it hurts having to support a party that now has clear cut socialist policies such as free lunches, free uni fees, free EV charging, free, free, freeeee..!
      
      Just remember to replace the ‘FREE’ with “TAX PAYER FUNDED’
      
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      September 20, 2023 10:40am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      You clearly don’t understand the difference between politically ‘right’ and ‘left’. Just because National have moved the Overton Window doesn’t make them centre right. They are barely to the right of Labour no matter where you shift the scale to.
      
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      September 20, 2023 10:43am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        He said centre right, not alt right
        
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        September 20, 2023 11:02am
      - hullkiwi
        
        When did National become a socialist party? Raw nerve, rubbish. May be it is you guys who are not enjoying watching your support shrink, because you’re behaving in the same manner as NZ First
        
        Throwing around insults is easy when you are hitting a keyboard. Yes, National have had “whet” MPs, PMs, and cabinets in the past. Just because National is not alt/right like Act, it does not mean that a future National administration will be whet or is centre/left.
        
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        September 20, 2023 12:13pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        ACT is “alt/right”? Wikipedia:
        
        The alt-right (abbreviated from alternative right) is a far-right, white nationalist movement.
        
        GTFOOH.
        
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        September 20, 2023 2:30pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      If National is center right, why is Luxon still cuddling Labour?
      From a socialist/commie point of view, National is center right.
      I am not a commie/socialist – so National is center but slightly left.
      
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      September 20, 2023 11:02am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “What a load of rubbish. National is a centre/right party. End of story!”
      
      Can you provide any sources, drawing on international literature that describes “centre left” politics? I have browsed such sources and the consensus definition of “centre left” politics perfectly describes the National Party.
      
      https://www.perplexity.ai/search/00f1f4e3-c3c1-48c9-bf25-33fb66b8ae6b?s=u
      
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      September 20, 2023 11:52am
      - Aquarius
        
        Totally agree…..
        National is absolutely a Centre Left Party
        
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        September 20, 2023 12:02pm
      - septic skeptic
        
        Yup. They have pretty much purged the right wing Nats. Williamson, Brash, Bridges, maybe Bennet.
        
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        September 20, 2023 1:28pm
Matt Long

Tucker Carlson, Fox’s most popular host at typically 3 million viewers, gets 250 million impressions on X with Trump interview.
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September 20, 2023 8:36am
- wairarapapaul
  
  That’s a plethora; which means a lot to me.
  
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  September 20, 2023 8:47am
- All_on_Red
  
  Assuming 10% actually watched it then 25 million is a lot of people
  Carlson skirted around Trumps failure on Covid though- pretty soft interview
  
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  September 20, 2023 8:49am
  - Inandout
    
    AoR, no leader anywhere came out of covid smelling of roses. They were insane times.
    
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    September 20, 2023 9:08am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Inandout – they still; are insane times. NZ media and political class simultaneously pretending nothing happened while telling people to “get your booster”.
      
      Is that cognitive dissonance or just straight up criminal activity??? This thing is a long, long, long way from over.
      
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      September 20, 2023 10:54am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Which failures?
    Trump genuinely had the excuse that he was being advised by pharma shills at the time. Fauci and Brix.
    I’ve not seen his latest position on it all. Presumably like the clowns in NZ, probably refusing to admit it was all wrong.
    
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    September 20, 2023 9:13am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Exactly Clan
      
      Ironically Trump trusted the “scientists ” and “The Science” and now they are fitting him up to take the blame.
      Little Tony Faucci is an enemy of humanity.
      Look up his involvement with AIDS in the 80’s. Faucci ran the show and the fear campaign that went with it.
      
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      September 20, 2023 10:23am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        imalwaysright – yes, I discovered the poison dwarf’s criminal activity during AIDs after someone told me to watch ‘The Dallas Buyers Club’. Highly recommended if you haven’t seen it already.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDvPcBeOn8E
        
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        September 20, 2023 10:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  25K views on YouTube.
  
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  September 20, 2023 11:05am
Frank the tank

The winner of last night’s debate….

Party vote Act.
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September 20, 2023 8:36am
Vinicius

Minister of Corrections Kelvin Davis gets poleaxed by Mike Hosking discussing Labour’s failed policy of reducing the prison population. Davis is nothing short of feeble.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/kelvin-davis-labours-corrections-spokesperson-on-the-governments-move-to-lower-its-prison-population-reduction-topic/
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September 20, 2023 8:38am
- kowtow
  
  I find the general lack of interest in this important topic by te media pa ahti very concerning , esp compared to their deliberate laser like , bully dog grip on the Nat’s tax policy.
  
  This was a flagship 2017 Labour promise , which unleashed a crime wave on New Zealand .
  
  It was also very heavily touted by the Invisible Man Kelvin Davis as a maori thingy .
  
  And yet even while they released criminals on us the Maori prison muster has increased .
  
  Where the hell is the holding to account !
  
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  September 20, 2023 10:00am
  - hullkiwi
    
    It was discussed by HDPA last night, and by Ryan Bridge this morning on the am Show.
    
    Just because it was not discussed on TV1 or in $Stuffed, does not mean it has been ignored by the media. Do you really expect the “bought & paid for media” to be discussing it. Afterall, it was Labour’s flagship Justice policy for the past 6 years.
    
    And in case any Actoids are in doubt, Mark Mitchell stated for the record to HDPA last night, and this morning to Ryan Bridge that a National led government will be reinstating Three Strikes.
    
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    September 20, 2023 10:24am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      What is an Actoid?
      Is that a grown up thing; like calling someone a poo-poo head, or a Nat-tard?
      
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      September 20, 2023 11:06am
    - kowtow
      
      yes I was mildly amused at the Nats taking up an Act policy as their own…..
      
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      September 20, 2023 12:00pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Really, your showing the same hypocrisy of a Labourite.
        
        Condemn National when you think they are not going to reinstate 3Strikes, and when you are told they are you find it amusing.
        
        Because National are happy to reinstate 3 Strikes, and are a left wing party, does that make Act left wing too?
        
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        September 20, 2023 1:07pm
    - kowtow
      
      Did I say “ignored” , no I didn’t .
      
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      September 20, 2023 12:49pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        That is a single word describing what you suggested. Or do you enjoy being pendantic?
        
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        September 20, 2023 1:37pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  None of these Labour lightweights are doing very well are they! Now can we get that moron Swarbrick on too?
  
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  September 20, 2023 11:00am
Opie

“You’ve had 6 years to fix it mate and everythings got worse”

Luxon with a zinger on Hipkins that will surely need some ointment.
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September 20, 2023 8:42am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Same when they talked boot camps snd the snivelling Hipkins said they don’t work, Luxon straight back saying they work better that Ora Tamariki cheering on the youths fighting
  
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  September 20, 2023 9:20am
  - kowtow
    
    That idiot Cunliffe in the so called debrief said that was an appeal to the “far right” !
    
    wtf .
    
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    September 20, 2023 10:02am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Kowtow
      
      Silent T.
      
      (Credit to Rich Prick)
      
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      September 20, 2023 10:42am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They do work. Even 2 weeks of compulsory Military Training use to give some guys a life. (bring it back)
    Another thing that straightens a few out is LSV – Limited Service Volunteer works. 6 weeks away from distractions like wifi!
    
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    September 20, 2023 11:17am
Warren

Let’s hope the Public are not as stupid as the media make out with their outright favoritism of Chris Hipkins with everything he does.
How can a person give his credentials as the best person to lead New Zealand when all he has done on a dailly basis is bribe New Zealander’s with policy we can’t afford or has them taking effect just before the next Election in 2026.
The media call Chris Luxon dishonest but really how many times has Chris Hipkins been called out for untruthful statements concerning National at this Election , there is only one person that has been forced to correct sleaze against National and that is the current Prime Minister, so again the media are wrong .
In my opinion the debate last night was a win for National Leader Chris Luxon as many wrote him off before the debate had started but it is Chris Hipkins that lost because of the 14 point difference in the polls and he needed to pull something out of the h
at or make a dent in the polls but all he could muster was the same old story of look at how good Labour have been in the last 6 years.
Chris Hipkins is like a schoolboy with his tell tales and blame of others for his own stupidity.
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September 20, 2023 8:43am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Some of us knew what may happen after seeing that speech by Ardern in 2009.
  She slowly got herself into a position of power and went full blown Communist.
  
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  September 20, 2023 11:19am
redeye

More from New Zealands best investigative journalist Thomas Cramer.

The other bail house raided by police last year was the notorious facility at Karaka St, Auckland run by sisters Elaine and Karen Ngamu from Ahikaa Trust. Elaine has close family connections with the Tribesmen gang and been described as one of NZ’s biggest fraudsters having over 230 dishonesty offences going back to the 1970s, including large scale mailbox scams. Courts routinely bail defendants to these bail house facilities which are effectively run as gang pads. Last year police seized meth, cash and guns from the Karaka St property.

Clearly bail houses should be run by providers of secure facilities and not gang affiliates.

https://twitter.com/CranmerWrites/status/1704215162230820927
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September 20, 2023 8:44am
slightlyrighty

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/brutal-violence-rebels-gang-members-cause-chaos-in-coromandel/

If you think the gangs have not been emboldened under this government, and lawlessness become more prevalent in the face of minimised consequences, you’re living in a fantasy land.
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September 20, 2023 8:45am
- Tom Hunter
  
  One incident on Saturday night at the local hotel had left her “appalled by the brutal violence and lack of humanity these people seem to have”.
  
  The perpetrators seemed to believe there would be no repercussions, she said.
  
  The cluelessness and innocence is beyond belief.
  
  And that’s just the judges and the NZ Police!
  
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  September 20, 2023 9:45am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  At the same time, the hikoi on its way to Wellington announces via the art on their bus that ‘Gangs are whanau’, and ‘love’, ‘meth is bad, m’kay’.
  A hikoi fronted by Matilda Kahotea & in response to Nat & ACT assurances to crack down on gangs!
  
  (If gang members don’t do crimes, and stick to making school lunches and helping grannies cross the road, they need to fear a crack down!)
  
  And as revealed yesterday, what the media doesn’t say is that Matilda Kahotea was running ANOTHER gang bail & rehab home which was raided and found to have drug, money and guns onsite.
  https://twitter.com/CranmerWrites/status/1703868810821083294
  How stupid do they think we are?
  And how useless are their MSM media enablers?
  Die MSM. Die.
  
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  September 20, 2023 11:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Buying votes is Labour’s number one priority.
  
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  September 20, 2023 11:23am
- DeepBlue
  
  Seems no complaints have been laid. The local citizens may be naive about this being an unprovoked attack or the threats made were also very scary in themselves.
  The video is damming.
  
  Is it possible to arrest on the video as evidence, without a complaint?
  
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  September 20, 2023 2:32pm
surfing

Just me or are the kiwiblog load times quite slow?

Must be all of those new readers 🙂
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September 20, 2023 8:45am
- john1234
  
  Yep – KB is very very slow to load pages…
  
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  September 20, 2023 9:15am
- septic skeptic
  
  Very slow. I’m close to giving up.
  
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  September 20, 2023 9:15am
  - Rusty
    
    @septic..
    
    Is someone trying to stop people from getting on KB?
    
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    September 20, 2023 9:42am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Yep – took me nearly 10 mins to load the site & subject.
      
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      September 20, 2023 11:05am
    - David Garrett
      
      Rusty: Oh dear…Yep, there is a highly secret cabal of tribal Labour IT profs who are causing slow loading of KB pages.
      
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      September 20, 2023 11:12am
      - Colville
        
        DG…dont laugh…its exactly the type of stupidity that a lefty uni student would get up to and think it was radical!
        
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        September 20, 2023 11:56am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Very slow today…..
  
  You can usually tell when there’s only a couple of comments up by 8:30am.
  
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  September 20, 2023 9:18am
- gorse
  
  Yes, so slow I got timed out on a login this morning. Also getting tired of WordPress making a nightmare, add two numbers together, then have to log in again, then get out of my profile page back to Kiwiblog. This happens too regularly. Driving me to The BFD, which is instant.
  
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  September 20, 2023 9:39am
- NothingLeft
  
  In lead up to election there is a decent chance that interests on the left are running DOS attacks on websites associated with right.
  
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  September 20, 2023 10:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I think the nasty party have done DOS attacks before.
    
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    September 20, 2023 11:26am
- RoboRob
  
  DPM needs to contract a new host and/or web developers to resolve the issue. There is clearly either a lack of resources at the hosting end or a problem with the software. Based on previous comments by the mods I would suspect there are one of more poorly optomisd SQL statements related to recent changes (probably the new inline editing tool).
  
  There are planty of people on this site with an IT background who might be willing to take over the hosting & support of the site.
  
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  September 20, 2023 11:15am
  - rangitoto
    
    Looks like the site doesn’t use any kind of WAF provider like Cloudflare or Imperva. The DNS just resolves an A record. The WAF providers give a level of DDOS and other protection but you have to pay for it. Cloudflare have a free offering, which doesn’t do much but it does have the benefit of hiding the real web server ip address(es)
    
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    September 20, 2023 12:24pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  No problem on mobile
  
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  September 20, 2023 11:20am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Slow to even login. Commenting time has improved since 7.30 today.
  
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  September 20, 2023 11:24am
  - RoboRob
    
    It does seem to relate to the time of the day. it’s possible that another site co-hosted with this one might be sucking up resources at certain times of the day. Working OK now.
    
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    September 20, 2023 11:57am
    - bennerg
      
      A reverse IP search indicates no other sites on that IP, so suggest that the delay is the result of brute force attacks. Our servers regularly get “touched up” with a concerted effort, using a rotating range of source ip addresses, making traditional tools ineffective.
      
      They do this for up to three days then move on.
      
      To sort this type of effort out you need the paid service from Cloudflare or other such services. And KB is still just a “personal blog” and even with ads, I doubt it would be affordable.
      
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      September 20, 2023 9:43pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Our PM has assured us that naughty little ram-raiders are getting loads of wrap-around aroha.

On youth offending, Hipkins said Labour was tackling the underlying causes.

“The intensive support and supervision that we’ve been providing to repeat ram raiders has resulted in 70 to 80 percent of those kids not going on and reoffending.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/09/christopher-luxon-chris-hipkins-respond-to-tragic-albany-bus-station-attack.html

Perhaps he is unaware that “wrap-round care and supervision” means bugga-all when his Government servants at Oranga Tamariki are too damn lazy to provide a repeat ram-raiding youngster with the care and attention he desperately needs.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300973275/oranga-tamariki-ordered-to-pay-costs-of-lawyers-who-wanted-teen-ramraider-put-in-care#:~:text=Oranga%20Tamariki%20has%20been%20ordered,the%20Ministry's%20care%20and%20protection.
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September 20, 2023 8:46am
- Frank the tank
  
  Was the 16yr old stabber a graduate from Hipkins ‘circuit breaking’ program?
  
  Asking for a friend……
  
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  September 20, 2023 8:53am
  - kevn
    
    Frank… and the victim was a 501 deportee.
    
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    September 20, 2023 9:53am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That is something I did not know.
      
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      September 20, 2023 11:30am
- David Garrett
  
  The intensive support and supervision that we’ve been providing to repeat ram raiders has resulted in 70 to 80 percent of those kids not going on and reoffending
  
  Not reoffending over what time period? A week? A month? Six months?
  
  This is a typically misleading statement on rates of reoffending. Without a time period during which there has been no reoffending, such a stat is utterly meaningless – as those who release them well know.
  
  St. Kim Workman used to do this all the time: announce with great fanfare that X or Y initiative had resulted in a Z% reduction in reoffending rates – without ever including a time period.
  
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  September 20, 2023 11:16am
  - plc
    
    He also tried to use dodgy data to support the business case of a faith-based unit at Rimutaka Prison.
    
    When called on it – and shown the statistical workings, said it didn’t matter.
    
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    September 20, 2023 11:58am
  - Swifty
    
    It’s a deliberate tactic to present, misleadingly, an extra rosy view of the world DG, as I’m sure you know, practiced by the left constantly over the last six years.
    
    I notice it most when I see them extolling the virtues of spending initiatives – with Shane Jones becoming a master at it – where they will claim ‘XYZ will create 300 jobs!’ When in fact 275 of them will only be for the 3-6 months to needed build something and only 25 being permanent roles.
    
    When you break it down it fits all the definitions of an outright lie – misleading statements knowingly made.
    
    They do it all the time. Liars.
    
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    September 20, 2023 12:29pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  ” getting loads of wrap-around aroha.”
  Is that tinfoil?
  
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  September 20, 2023 11:28am
Maggie Pie

Whoever’s doing National’s creative deserves an IAB Award 😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/NZNationalParty/status/1703990437814612386
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September 20, 2023 8:47am
- Tricati
  
  Very clever and accurate.
  
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  September 20, 2023 9:02am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, the leftists are raging in response.
  
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  September 20, 2023 9:14am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YIP… it’s got them all triggered as f**k. LOL!!
    
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    September 20, 2023 9:39am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  [Mod – come on Steve, everyone has to use proper names, so do you]
  
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  September 20, 2023 11:42am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It is a very well known nickname. There is no problem with others using “Chippie”
    
    [Mod – the PM goes by Chippy, no one else goes by the nucknames people here invent for them]
    
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    September 20, 2023 11:48am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Fair enough.
      
      [Mod – the other thing is sometimes there are pissy posts made that you can use nicknames but they can’t use ones that are far worse]
      
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      September 20, 2023 12:36pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Just another day in a small NZ town…..

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/brutal-violence-gang-members-cause-chaos-in-coromandel/YR6BQJLWMFHX7GCRBYFGDLTNDI/
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September 20, 2023 8:48am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Just an isolated incident Maggy, no need for concern.
  
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  September 20, 2023 11:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Tough in a group, one on one they are pussies.
  
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  September 20, 2023 11:49am
- ISeeRed
  
  Don’t worry, police will be actively investigating positive lines of inquiry.
  
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  September 20, 2023 2:40pm
Tomtoddy

According to both leaders last night there is a “climate emergency”. Asked what they do differently as a result of facing an emergency they both admitted virtually nothing. By any definition an “emergency” demands immediate action, significant response, particularly from a leader. It is plain hypocrisy and virtue signalling.

The little “action” they both said they have taken was to change the food buying /diets. All that does is inflict damage on our farmers who are the least of the problem – the only group with falling emissions. That’s not leadership. It’s weakness.
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September 20, 2023 8:49am
- Matt Long
  
  To meet their international obligations the government has to lower theoretical emissions, they aren’t going to achieve that in transport or energy, so that leaves agriculture as the scapegoat. Science (Genuine science) doesn’t come into it.
  It’s similar to the Reserve Bank deciding banks need to have higher asset ratios and banks lifting rural lending margins to cover the extra cost, as they don’t want to lose market share in residential.
  
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  September 20, 2023 9:07am
- Grunter
  
  To me, the “Global Boiling” section of last night’s debate was the most glaringly obvious part that shows Labour & National are pretty much the same dumb suckers.
  
  Luxons plan to spend tax payer money on an EV charging network is just absolute nuts! Zero impact on total emissions (which are managed by the cap & trade ETS) – VIRTUE SIGNALLING SOCIALIST NONSENSE!!!!
  
  And obviously I’m one of those climate deniers that “needs to go and read a book….”
  
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  September 20, 2023 9:14am
- My
  
  Yes, the most disappointing response in the debate discussion. There wasn’t much debate really was there.
  But on this, it looks like Rishi Sunak is going to take a more pragmatic approach.
  https://news.sky.com/story/targets-designed-to-drive-net-zero-look-like-theyre-about-to-be-softened-12965171?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter
  
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  September 20, 2023 9:28am
- Master Mariner
  
  TT “By any definition an “emergency” demands immediate action, significant response”
  Nope , What it means is we the “single source of Truth” and Loss of “power” of the citizens to the State.
  
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  September 20, 2023 10:09am
- Drone
  
  Tomtoddy, as much as I dislike Ktie Hopkins for her extreme views one of the Magg(y)(ies) (I think) posted a link to a KH video where she ranted on about how within 5 years the british government were effectively going to ban all personal vehicles and non essential travel. I didn’t think much about it at the time, but hearing that the government in NZ will crank petrol taxes and road user charges up significantly over the next couple of years got me thinking. There will come a point where the average punter wont be able to afford to own an ICE car. From an EV perspective many people can’t afford one today and that won’t really improve. There are not enough EV chargers in the country and this is a deterrent to some people who travel longer distances. I suspect that there is a wider plan within government to reduce car usage and in parallel reduce the spend on roading projects, fewer cars less congestion fewer roads.
  
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  September 20, 2023 12:45pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Who really, really built Stonehenge?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/18/stonehenge-built-by-black-britons-childrens-history-book/
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September 20, 2023 8:49am
- Colville
  
  As with anything huge, very heavy and very old…the builders are always the same.
  
  Slaves.
  
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  September 20, 2023 9:01am
- sirknz
  
  So what happened with sub-Saharan Africa then?
  
  Not many comparable structures built by these folks if they came all the way to England and put up Stonehenge. Not even so much as an aqueduct…
  
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  September 20, 2023 9:22am
  - cmm
    
    Zimbabwe ruins, though there is a lot of debate as to whether this was built by Arabian traders who were known to be active in the area trading slaves, gold and ivory.
    
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    September 20, 2023 10:45am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Seen a real good rebuttal to this trend on Youtube by a historian.
  There is a ‘We were always here’ revisionist lie being peddled in the UK about black Britons, from the earliest times.
  
  It requires pretending for instance that black or any dark skin is the same as the sub-saharan people; when in truth skin colour can’t be told from ancient remains, but DNA can.
  Ancient Britons DNA shows they were NOT sub-saharan Africans, to state the patently obvious.
  
  In later periods it requires confusing the use of the wood ‘Moor’, which in an earlier form goes back to Roman times, to mean ‘Black’ (sub-saharan again) when originally it meant a North African to the Romans, and later times, meant a Muslim (and not specifically a race).
  Moorish burials in Britian do not show these people to be simply ‘black’; actually the opposite genetically.
  
  And then a factual & documented black trumpeter of Henry VIII is made much of, when he was simply a symbol for the king, like having a giraffe in the royal zoo, as proof or worldly power. His role in history? he blew a trumpet….
  
  It is really intellectually disingenuous and literaly insulting to the original inhabitants of the British Isles. And not healthy for any of the black people who trace back to the late 20th century or more recently.
  
  Insulting, and dangerous even, to erase the historical truth and legacy of a people for a progressive and racist lie.
  Sick identity politics people feelz over facts.
  
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  September 20, 2023 11:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  And so the cancer spreads.
  
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  September 20, 2023 11:54am
In Vino Veritas

Watched a bit of the debate last night. Couldn’t help but think that Key would have made mincemeat of Hipkins. Eg: Talking about ram raiding and Hipkins blathering how boot camps don’t work. Luxon should have responded that boot camps shouldn’t even be necessary given their occurrence was few and far between before Labour took power but now, after six years of ruinous Government, they happen nearly every day. Literally just paint Hipkins into a corner full of shit. And Hipkins bragging about raising salaries in Health. Yep Chippo, salaries have gone through the roof. And outcomes have dropped through the floor.
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September 20, 2023 8:49am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Boot camps probably won’t work. A foreign home buyer tax probably won’t raise much money. Those criticisms are true. They are symptoms of a party that wants to announce something but doesn’t understand problems and/or doesn’t know how to fix them.
  
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  September 20, 2023 9:17am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Perhaps you are right Nigel, or it could be a Party that doesn’t stand for anything. But that wasn’t the point of my post. Luxon could have, and should have, crushed Hipkins a couple of times minimum.
    
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    September 20, 2023 9:44am
    - kowtow
      
      I think a number of things are at play .
      
      Yes the Nats are the red team in a blue tie but one thing is very clear ;
      
      they are very afraid of the media pardy reaction which seems to be the party which now sets the parameters of all issues .
      
      Act too know this and have been cowed by them.
      
      Te media pa ahti is extremely dangerous and are literally anti democratic as free and true debate has been destroyed .
      
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      September 20, 2023 10:11am
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    Unfortunately we do not know and will not know, unless and until National and Act win the election and form an effective coalition, whether they actually do know, and have the guts to do, what needs to be done to get New Zealand back on track.
    
    That is because they can’t say it at this stage. They will not win if they actually set out ahead of the election, the honest and unvarnished truth as to just what a difficult and long slog getting back on track is going to be.
    
    Voters have been conditioned to believe, and vote for, politicians who tell them that everything can be made lovely without effort, or at worst at the expense only of other people. They claim they want honesty from politicians, but they don’t vote for it. It’s not Luxon’s fault that he is in a position where he can either win by cunning and dissemblage or lose by honesty and integrity.
    
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    September 20, 2023 12:00pm
    - septic skeptic
      
      At some point you have to lead – win the debate and take the electorate with you. I might be wrong, but my impression of Luxon is that he is most definitely NOT a right winger keeping his cards close to his chest. “Get NZ back on track”. All very well but if the track is taking us to the same place envisaged by Ardern and Chippy…
      
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      September 20, 2023 1:39pm
    - Damocles11
      
      I agree. Luxon has to go Left to get voters, and then drag them Right. Labour and this media have dragged to majority of this country to the Left, and they will have to be dragged back. Luxon cannot do that outside government. He has to get in with ACT as a strong partner, and then he can operate from a position of strength.
      If National does not make the right noises on climate change, the media will tear it to shreds. They want a guy to be hung, drawn, and quartered for making a comment about fluoride 10 years ago. Silent T gets to say on live TV that Luxon is talking to the ‘far right’ because of his comments on crime. It’s the same on co-governance; say the wrong thing & they will scream ‘racist’ as per Simon Wilson and Seymour (a Maori btw).
      If National goes to where ACT is, the Right won’t win. It has to be a ‘broad church’ approach to get all the votes needed. Both National and ACT have to posture themselves correctly at the moment for this to work, both party’s have their own role to play.
      The ‘have some balls’ brigade want an NZ version of Trump, but what works in the US won’t work here. The bulk of the population is too far to the Left. And that is not Luxon’s fault. If he says the wrong thing now he will be crucified and Labour / Te Pati Maori / Greens and the media will simply continue to destroy this country. That just simply cannot be allowed to happen.
      
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      September 20, 2023 3:15pm
      - septic skeptic
        
        Well, I hope you are right. But I have a long memory. I can recall saying John Key (in opposition) was advocating socialism in the guise of free market capitalism. I was assured I was wrong and that Key was a Capitalist, just pretending to advocate socialism in the guise of free market capitalism in order to win the election.
        IMO is it’s the same with Luxon, maybe even more so. And I think deep down you know this is true
        
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        September 20, 2023 3:38pm
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        You’re kidding yourself. Look at Luxon’s voting record. Look at the makeup of the Nats – their front is composed entirely of liberals, with the exception of Shane Reti. Recall that the Young Nats want a more “treaty-focused” party. And recall what Key did (and didn’t do) in office. The Nats are not the party we need to save this country, because of their lack of interest in fighting the culture war. Of course I will vote for my local Nats candidate this election – I know the lesser of two evils when I see it. But our lack of an organized conservative movement is a serious threat to our future as a nation. Australia in contrast does have a serious conservative movement, and that’s one reason why they’re doing better than us.
        
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        September 20, 2023 7:33pm
Gravelroad

Last night’s panel at the conclusion of the political debate illustrated the continuing contempt that TVNZ has for the viewing public.
The moderator, Mr Tame, smirked and giggled at the bizarre antics of Tau Henare.
The reporter, Ms Sherman, tried hard to control her bias and provide some balance – but came across as uncomfortable at having to say something positive about the National Party leader.
The Labour Party guy was never going to be anything other than a Tribal Labour Party guy.
Come on TVNZ, do better.
This is not a time for joking and play acting.
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September 20, 2023 8:51am
- Vinicius
  
  If I didn’t know any better I’d suggest that one of the panel behaved like they’d partaken some adult beverages.
  
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  September 20, 2023 9:01am
- Colville
  
  Yeah throw Damien Grant in there for a bit of balance.
  
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  September 20, 2023 9:02am
  - Tricati
    
    Tame couldn’t handle Damien Grant, as he wouldn’t take Tame’s BS.
    
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    September 20, 2023 9:40am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Put a wig and sunnies on Tau… and you’ve got Bernie Lomax.
  
  😎 😎
  
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  September 20, 2023 9:06am
- graham
  
  I seem to recall Maiki Sherman more or less comparing Luxon to Hitler (I think) when he jokingly commented that people should have more babies to boost our population.
  
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  September 20, 2023 9:14am
  - MCōs
    
    You “seem to recall”
    That’s rather vague for such an explosive allegation
    
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    September 20, 2023 10:10am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Graham is correct.
      There was an inference that luxons policy could be compared to the Nazi Lebensborn programme .
      
      This is what happens when people pretending to be journalists do key word Google searches in order to do a gotcha and appear intelligent .
      
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      September 20, 2023 1:41pm
    - graham
      
      Sorry for the delay in replying, MCōs, I had to go out shortly after posting the above. But it seems I owe Maiki Sherman an apology, as it wasn’t her that compared Christopher Luxon’s policy to Hitler’s Lebensborn program.
      
      It was Cushla Norman.
      
      Christopher Luxon was asked a question about immigration settings, and he commented that since 2016 we are no longer replacing ourselves (this means fertility rate has fallen below the 2.1 replacement rate) and joked to the audience that they should have more babies.
      
      It was not a policy, not a direction, not a speech. It was a quip in response to a question on immigration.
      
      And a TVNZ reporter implicitly compares it to Lebensborn while questioning Nicola Willis. Lebensborn was a Nazi eugenics programme aimed at increasing the number of racially pure Aryan babies. It also involved mass kidnapping of children. This is what a reporter for the state broadcaster think is a legitimate comparison.
      
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      September 20, 2023 5:41pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        seems I owe Maiki Sherman an apology,
        
        Well, that makes sense…
        
        Maiki Sherman has being doing her bit to boost our population
        
        https://www.nowtolove.co.nz/parenting/family/maiki-sherman-introduces-baby-number-six-onoaio-47161
        
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        September 20, 2023 5:49pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        I have to hand it to Maiki – 6 kids of her own
        
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        September 20, 2023 7:33pm
- Rusty
  
  @Gravelroad,
  
  TVNZ are laying off staff and cutting back on expenses because of less advertising on their network
  
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  September 20, 2023 9:49am
  - MCōs
    
    JMM should be shown the door
    She was very poor last night & in general
    That’ll save a few bob
    
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    September 20, 2023 10:10am
  - RoboRob
    
    Could part of the problem be the people on the right of politics fleeing from progressive bubble TVNZ has become?
    
    I certainly watch close to zero TVNZ. I actively avoid their news shows, documentries and current affairs stuff. I dont go to their web sites.
    
    I didn’t watch the debate, even though I’m a political junkie. Why would I when the questions, mediation and analysis would all be provided by TVNZ. TVNZ proved me right by putting Tame (Green), Cunlif (tribal Labour), Sherman (TPM) and Tau (Nationals verion of Willie jackson) as the analysis.
    
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    September 20, 2023 11:24am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      There weren’t too many, if any, right wing people at TVNZ
      
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      September 20, 2023 7:35pm
  - Paulus
    
    Are not both the Auckland Herald and the one time Dominion laying off staff as the Government backed finance ceases.
    Except Tova has just joined in Wellington at vast expense – she don’t come cheap anyway.
    
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    September 20, 2023 1:26pm
    - Ghost
      
      The public journalism fund ended a few months ago, but the funding has been allocated for 12 months, so they won’t run out until next April….
      
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      September 20, 2023 1:31pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    If this government decided what McDonald’s served for human consumption they would be broke as well.
    
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    September 20, 2023 1:35pm
- Clyde
  
  There were some serious public broadcasting bad decisions last night on TV!.
  
  Firstly, why was there a studio audience? The only thing they did was to applaud on cue at the beginning and the end. They took NO part in the production or the debate. So, pointless them being there.
  
  Secondly the moderator was largely incompetent. Virtually no skills in actual interviewing or moderating.
  
  Thirdly the analysis at the conclusion was even more ridiculous. TV One obviously believe that their audience needs to be told after immediately watching something, what they need to think about the debate. It was pointless and stupid and the decision to use Henare (who was either drunk, drugged or stupid or all three) and Cunliffe was an incredibly poor editorial and production decision.
  
  Lastly, the question needs to be asked of people like that juvenile Tame whether he is entitled to use his position to espouse his obvious personal bias.
  
  The whole thing was a cluster fuck and if I was the boss of TV1 I would have the whole production team in my office by 8am demanding answers, but maybe TV1 and Red Radio have abandoned what decades ago used to be high values.
  
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  September 20, 2023 9:52am
  - RoboRob
    
    Audience -> Present because thats the tradition. We are lucky they weren’t loaded with the usual party sycophants. Agreed waste of time.
    
    Tau -> Because the other 3 were obviously left wing they needed someone from the right. They didn’t want someone people would take seriously or who might provide a challange.
    
    Tame -> Just terrible. A hard lefty who cant leave his opinions asside when interviewing.
    
    I think TVNZ (and RNZ) live in there own bubble. They all have the same views so assume that these are normal. However that doesn’t excuse them from having a recent Labour party leader in as an analysist.
    
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    September 20, 2023 11:30am
  - Paulus
    
    Appear to have been a TVNZ usual cluster f… so sorry I missed it all !
    
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    September 20, 2023 1:27pm
nathie

I see some leftie msm and political commentators are having trouble admitting Hipkins didn’t win last night’s debate (i.e. didn’t win over new voters), ditto they seem to have trouble admitting that Luxon generally gave positive polished answers (i.e. likely won over new voters) … so declare “no one really won it”. Good grief!
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September 20, 2023 8:54am
- Gravelroad
  
  Luxon won the debate, no question.
  Too bad if the socialist media can’t accept it.
  
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  September 20, 2023 9:40am
  - RoboRob
    
    Doesn’t matter. Number of people converted from left to right or visa versa is approximately zero.
    
    Hearing the someone did or didn’t win a debate you didn’t watch makes zero difference to your views. If you thought Hipkins was good and he ‘won’ then yay, if the didn’t ‘win’ then ‘so what you still cant trust National’
    
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    September 20, 2023 11:33am
- cmm
  
  “No one really won it” says everything.
  
  If it had been:
  * Close to 50/50 then it would have been Hipkins clearly wins.
  * Close to 40%(Hipkins)/60%(Luxon) then “Hipkins narrowly wins”.
  * Close to 30%(Hipkins)/70%(Luxon) then “No clear winner”
  
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  September 20, 2023 10:51am
- Paulus
  
  Didn’t Tova say no one really one !
  
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  September 20, 2023 1:28pm
kevn

cunliffe on the panel…lol
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September 20, 2023 9:01am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I’m sorry……
  
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  September 20, 2023 12:03pm
Mobile Michael

So, I’ve decided my number one issue for the election is education. Because the current system doesn’t help the poor kids in Cannons Creek achieve social mobility. Having read the various policies of the main parties, here goes:

Greens – F, spend more money and focus less on education but social issues. (As an aside, no one wants to talk about their fiscal hole – they seem to be able to spend the funds raised in a wealth tax on everything.)
NZ First – F+, nothing apart from ending gender ideology in schools. Agree with this, but nothing about improving student outcomes.
TPM – D, talks about improving Maori education through not for profit community groups and creating Maori authorities to ensure Te Ao Maori is properly taught. Would be an F if it wasn’t for the innovation they propose for Maori education.
Labour – D, mostly about paying teachers more and removing costs to teacher training. Seems to be written by the Teacher Unions.
National – C, some tinkering and ensuring some focus on core subjects, but overall the same model that has failed for the last 50 years.
ACT – B, wants to shake up schooling by allowing competition to the state sector through charter schools and having parents control funding for their children. Nice innovation, but doesn’t really have explicit features for social mobility to occur.

Overall, a disappointment. Especially ACT, it seems like Sir Roger Douglas’ criticisms are actually correct – a party that creates policy that favours the incumbent rich rather than aims to eliminate poverty through encouraging excellence.
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September 20, 2023 9:12am
- thirteenstars
  
  “Nice innovation, but doesn’t really have explicit features for social mobility to occur.”
  
  You’ve got to be joking. Giving parents control of where their child’s education happens is the ultimate in social mobility.
  
  Consigning them to the outdated, union-controlled state school system is about social conformity and lack of mobility.
  
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  September 20, 2023 9:57am
- cmm
  
  Crime short term. Education long term.
  
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  September 20, 2023 10:52am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Crime – throw them in the slammer. Job done.
    
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    September 20, 2023 12:04pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  There is plenty wrong in the education system but your premise is flawed.
  
  Myanmar refugee kids in state houses in Cannons Creek can and will become doctors, lawyers, and engineers. What happens at home is orders of magnitude more important than what school they go to.
  
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  September 20, 2023 12:55pm
  - Mobile Michael
    
    Agreed, and no one is talking about that since Bill English left.
    
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    September 21, 2023 8:44am
- septic skeptic
  
  For me, it’s TOW issues. Fail on that and the country is lost.
  
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  September 20, 2023 1:42pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    I agree. The revisionist treaty is an out-of-control monster, wrapping its tentacles around every aspect of our lives. At work I’m told I must put maatauranga in the classes I teach because … the treaty.
    
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    September 20, 2023 7:38pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Here’s a vaguely interesting analysis of the debate…concentrating on the words spoken.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/election-2023/498355/hipkins-vs-luxon-the-first-leaders-debate-by-the-numbers

I was surprised to see that Chris Luxon managed to garner so much talk time. Admittedly I only watched until 8:15pm, but I didn’t register he was dominating the talk.

My main observation was that Luxon spoke clearly with a measured pace, which meant he could always get his point across (unless closed down by an interruption). Hipkins, in contrast, seemed to speak quickly and filled up his sentences with so many words….. I soon tuned out.

The rest of the word analysis is trivial.
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September 20, 2023 9:15am
- Gravelroad
  
  Mr Luxon knows how to debate.
  He kept calm, smiled and managed his time.
  He didn’t get too ruffled, or disguised it if he was ruffled.
  I don’t agree with all National’s policies, but at least he noted NZ’s reliance on primary production and need for export income.
  Let’s see if he does anything substantive to support it and dials back some of the extremist anti-farming and rural measures so beloved by the socialists.
  If elected.
  
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  September 20, 2023 9:52am
  - Rusty
    
    @Gravelroad,
    
    Luxon surprised me. He was calm and didn’t lose his cool which I was expecting Hipkins to try and do to him.
    
    But the debate itself sort of resembled a quiz show with Jessica as quiz host.
    
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    September 20, 2023 10:13am
    - Paulus
      
      But I have read that the winner was…..
      “Jessica”
      as she had huge parts of the time !
      
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      September 20, 2023 1:30pm
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      I too was pleasantly surprised.
      
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      September 20, 2023 7:39pm
Matt Long

A bit of hankie pankie and vaping at the theatre and you become a meme.
Lauren Boebert Attempts To Smooth Things Over With New Line Of Purity Rings
https://twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1704198054692176121
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September 20, 2023 9:30am
Ghost

Wed Sep 20 2023 9:14 AM
Magnitude: 6.4
Depth: 10 km
45 km north of Geraldine
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September 20, 2023 9:31am
Maggie Pie

The Member-for-Tijuana laucnhes his campaign pitch
to the more vulnerable greenies of his Mt Albert electorate….

https://twitter.com/RMarchNZ/status/1704041043975643525

OMG – the comments!
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September 20, 2023 9:33am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, Mexico has cheap dental.
  https://sanidentalgroup.com/blog/mexico-dentist-prices-the-ultimate-guide/
  
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  September 20, 2023 11:28am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Would you risk it? Although I hear Tijuana is nice this time of year.
    
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    September 20, 2023 11:49am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Maggie, thank you for bringing that to our attention.
  It has been my experience that many Labour and Green types spend much time on Twitter X. So those comments for the Mex make me think that the Toxic Trio could get as little as 30 seats on 14th October.
  Six months ago I was concerned that they might get 62. I am feeling much better, than I was six months ago.
  
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  September 20, 2023 2:21pm
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  Love the 3 Amigos meme.
  
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  September 20, 2023 7:41pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Hunter Biden indicted on 3 charges. Wonder if he slips out of them?

https://thepoliticalmovement.com/2023/09/19/its-a-start-hunter-indicted-on-three-gun-charges/
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September 20, 2023 9:55am
- MCōs
  
  At least the NRA will back him up if he’s looking for some mates.
  
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  September 20, 2023 9:58am
  - cmm
    
    NRA are generally in favour of reasonably responsible gun ownership.
    
    Disposing of a pistol in a street rubbish bin next to a school would likely be frowned on.
    
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    September 20, 2023 10:54am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Hallie disposed of it. That will be Hunter’s out.
      
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      September 20, 2023 12:12pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        He lied on the application form about drug use. That will be indefensible given his, and his fathers comments about his struggles with drugs.
        
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        September 20, 2023 12:55pm
- RoboRob
  
  3 Charges that could have been bought 5years ago. There is no new evidence around this and Hunter doesn’t challange any of the facts.
  
  Lucky for Biden that the only charges bought are around insignificant stuff that doesn’t touch him.
  
  I dont care if Hunter goes down (he wont) or not for gun charges. I want to know, did hunter take money from China, Russia and Ukraine and funnel some of it to Joe though shell companies. We know Hunter got the money, we know he got it becuase of his connections not his skills, we know there are >21 shell companies and we know that Hunter claims to have given ‘half my pay to dad’. If foreign entities were sending money to Joe what were they getting in exchange? Regardless of your politics people should be interested in that, if a president is taking bribes (or a quid pro qou) that is a serious issue.
  
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  September 20, 2023 11:44am
  - RoboRob
    
    Would my down voter like to explain what I have said thats wrong or not factual?
    
    All of the things I said ‘we know’, we do in fact know, either directly from Hunter or through the IRS.
    
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    September 20, 2023 1:36pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    On the other hand, maybe most if not all politicians are corrupt and there is simply no appetite for draining the swamp.
    
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    September 20, 2023 1:46pm
    - RoboRob
      
      100% sure you are right
      
      According to Ted Cruze (love em or hate em), lots of US polis on both sides had there hands in Ukraine. There are planty of money sloshing around for the taking.
      
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      September 20, 2023 3:24pm
  - cmm
    
    I am no Hunter/Joe fan, but I expect the “‘half my pay to dad’” is just the sort of thing you say when you’re complaining to someone (as he was).
    
    Example: When I was a father of young kids I spend half my time cleaning up after my kids. Except of course that’s bollocks. I probably spent ten minutes a day cleaning up after kids. If that.
    
    Likely the number is far lower. Maybe more in line with the “10% for the big guy”.
    
    But 10% or 50% is not really the point. The number should be zero. Even 1% is unacceptable.
    
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    September 20, 2023 4:54pm
I remember when

I guess the Labour local electorate candidates are hoping that there are no too many voters using SH5 on windy days.

Great couple of photos in HB Today showing visibility on SH5 with the recent winds.
Article stated that, “clouds of dust are visible from kilometres away and even standing in the valley with a mask and eyewear quickly became extremely uncomfortable.
Local resident Steve Wheeler said, “In 1939 winds blew off the silt deposits and reduced the ground level by more than a metre in unsown areas.”
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September 20, 2023 9:57am
- Matt Long
  
  If it was like that before Climate Change, imagine today, they could lose 60 metres of silt. Quick, raise the Climate Tax to save us.
  
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  September 20, 2023 11:20am
I remember when

HB Today advise that two raised crossings are being installed in Waipawa at the present time, as well as work on their water pipe system.
Apparently a bypass is in place.

There are two questions:-
Are there better options than ‘raised’ crossings?
And, what percentage of those crossing the highway will use the crossings to do so?

How long will the necessary works take –
Council Website states five weeks.
Residents say they were told six weeks.
Signage at roadworks show an end date of 30 October – seven weeks.

Photo accompanying the article shows traffic queue at south end, stretching past the end of the bridge, said to be taken on the 7 September, which suggests seven and a half weeks.
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September 20, 2023 10:12am
Maggie Pie

Just been chatting with my partner’s mum.
Said she’d watched the entire Debate last night and everyone she spoke with at the Village this morning all gave it to Luxo, hands down.
She was saying at least two of the residents mentioned that they thought Chippie looked quite sort of ….’reptilian’.

Hmmm.
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September 20, 2023 10:14am
- RoboRob
  
  The real question is ‘are any of them changing their votes based on last nights debate?’.
  
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  September 20, 2023 11:45am
Tomtoddy

Street Saga:
7:45am Two small trucks arrive. Five people emerge.
7:50am Begin unloading cones
8:15am Cones deployed in 3 rows for about .5 kms.
8:30am Sit down and address phones.
8:45am decide to block footpath. More cones and rails
8:50am All sit down and work on phones
9:30am Small digger arrives. One body walks with digger and then leans on shovel watching. Others continue on phones.
10.00am Digger cuts a trench. Four workers remain on phones.
10:45a, Digger continues. One watcher and 4 ph operators.
to be continued.
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September 20, 2023 10:15am
- Ghost
  
  Want for, two phone operators start taking photos and videos
  
  Or our common one, digger hits phone lines
  
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  September 20, 2023 10:20am
- Tomtoddy
  
  11:30am Three still sitting playing with phones
  
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  September 20, 2023 11:30am
  - RoboRob
    
    Watched a similar process from my office for the last year. Wait to after lunch when the cone inspection team arrive and walk (or drive) past the cones moving the occasional one a few centimetres.
    
    People wonder why our roads are so bad. Its because road works cost so much due to this sort of stuff.
    
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    September 20, 2023 11:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There will also be a cone boss, a cone spacing measurer, a cone guard (so people don’t steal them), a truck guard,. When the hole is finished everyone looks into it for a couple of hours.
  
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  September 20, 2023 12:19pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Steve O: As you probably already know, I am currently living and working in Tonga.
    
    One of the many interesting things here is that the public works guys seem to manage doing quite major works – such as installing new power poles or tansformers – with about three cones, and one spare guy directing traffic around the two working.
    
    To be fair though, speeds here are much less – but then the roads are also much narrower.
    
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    September 20, 2023 12:26pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Overdone to the max in NZ.
      
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      September 20, 2023 12:39pm
      - David Garrett
        
        Steve O: Yes indeed…’elf and safety – as it is colloquially known in the UK – has become something of a religion in NZ.
        
        I stopped beside a Stop/Go man one time and asked him why he had to wear a hard hard when he was at least 50 metres from the action. He laughed and told me he was also supposed to wear protective gloves. Totally ridiculous.
        
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        September 21, 2023 7:10am
    - Ghost
      
      Farm is having its hedges pruned on the main road, another farm yesterday. A few years ago he would drive down the side of the road cutting them, that was it. Now the lane next to him is closed, cones for 2 miles, stop go people at both ends.
      
      A month ago they fixed a pot hole going on to the bridge, the road was closed all day and a detour put in. The detour wasn’t even well placed, it took 20 minutes longer. If they had put the detour at the road just before the bridge it would have been a 3 minute detour.
      
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      September 20, 2023 12:53pm
      - Lance
        
        They cut down a tree the other day near me in Henderson.
        One entire side of a very busy road was shut down for 2 friggin days!!!! FFS
        Not to mention thousands of cones and a ridiculous number of traffic control people with nothing to do all day but stand around looking bored.
        
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        September 20, 2023 4:24pm
kevn

Maggie… hipkins fake smile grates. He even had it on for Jane Usshers ‘portait’ session. Just fake.
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September 20, 2023 10:16am
- imalwaysright
  
  A face like a cats arse.
  
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  September 20, 2023 11:49am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The Nuremberg Code. Dr John Campbell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oZAPk_Xpow
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September 20, 2023 10:21am
I remember when

The Conservative Woman has interesting article,
“It was pneumonia, not Covid, What done it.”
Professor Martin Neil.

Worth a view.
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September 20, 2023 10:25am
Maggie Pie

There’s nothing better than the smell of fresh-baked-bread.
I’ve often bumped into David at Baker’s Delight….

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1704213432017289658

And their Boston Iced Coconut Buns are to dye for 😛
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September 20, 2023 10:38am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  What a horrible negative spin on that article.
  Even alleges that David affected a business because the writer saw someone walk in, and then out, when David was talking with the staff.
  Jeez, have they never lined up at a check out or waited to get a staff member to assist them?
  
  Reads as a mean spirited beat up or an otherwise low-key affair.
  i.e. unless someone got a running kick in the head from gang members in plain view, or shop fronts were boarded up and beggars on the footpath, then somehow David is lying about crime and the economy.
  If the Herald wants to see that, go to Coromanel or the Auckland CBD respectively.
  
  At least, unlike Jacinda, there wasn’t someone yelling “F–K YOU!!” at David when he enters a public space, or someone having a real go, like Chippy not long ago.
  
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  September 20, 2023 12:09pm
Yvette

• Veteran politician Alf Filipaina has high hopes Auckland Council will introduce dedicated Māori seats despite the low number of public submissions received so far.

Will there be specific Pacific seats, Indian seats, or Chinese?

Do we still have a race relations commissioner who is supposed to speak out on ethnic inequality – in this case giving special rights to one ethnicity over all others?
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September 20, 2023 10:56am
Maggie Pie

Investigate journalist Ian Wishart drops Greens Co-leader James Shaw in the sh!t 😀

https://ianwishart.com/2023/09/james-shaw-ex-boss-justifiable-public-interest-to-probe-your-msc-degree/
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September 20, 2023 11:08am
- David Garrett
  
  Maggie: The link doesn’t work.
  
  Perhaps you could paraphrase it for us??
  
  [Use https://ianwishart.com/2023/09/james-shaws-ex-boss-justifiable-public-interest-to-probe-your-msc-degree/ mod.]
  
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  September 20, 2023 11:26am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    Scroll down from the page.
    
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    September 20, 2023 11:28am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Worked for me David.
    
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    September 20, 2023 11:29am
    - David Garrett
      
      Hmmm…just tried again. I get “Error 404 – page not found”
      
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      September 20, 2023 11:33am
      - The Housekeeper
        
        Scroll down to Recent Articles and click on the article
        
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        September 20, 2023 11:39am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Just scroll down DG….under ‘recent articles’
        
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        September 20, 2023 11:42am
      - David Garrett
        
        Housekeeper: Got it, thank you. How on earth can one earn an MSc in “business responsibility”?? It would seem NZ unis are not alone in issuing degrees in utterly bullshit major subjects.
        
        I remember from when I last lived in Tonga there was a pom here who had a degree in “purchasing” from some reputable UK uni. How the fuck you can make buying things a university level discipline – or even a high school one – is beyond me.
        
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        September 20, 2023 11:47am
      - cmm
        
        It looks sketchy AF calling this a Masters Degree.
        
        Here’s a blurb about it: http://jmarshall.org.uk/Papers/2004%20Marshall%20MatchingFormtoContent.pdf
        
        “The MSc in Responsibility and Business Practice is run by the Centre for Action Research in Professional Practice at the School of Management, University of Bath, UK, in partnership with the New Academy of Business (an independent educational organization established in 1995 by Anita Roddick, founder of the Body Shop International).”
        
        Have a vanilla scented candle with that!
        
        The New Academy of Business looks sketchy AF too and now re-lauched as “Guild of Sustainable Practioners then again as Association of Sustainable Practitioners : https://www.csrwire.com/members/11739-new-academy-of-business
        
        “ASP is a dynamic living experiment, based on the idea of an organisation that reflects natural systems. It is shaped by its membership, and leadership is seen as an energy that moves between people. It does not seek to out-compete others in the field, but to co-operate…”
        
        Not sure why Bath would tie its name to this woke rubbish.
        
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        September 20, 2023 5:20pm
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/tauranga-traffic-city-council-staff-get-free-bus-travel-in-bid-to-ease-congestion-parking-issues-emissions/KDRCXGRSXNFBDEZ2F75O5Y6M6M/

This is disgusting… Tauranga council screw up the roads and parking, so they are giving free bus travel to all of their staff! And they are telling companies (who are paying for this) to do the same for their CBD staff. So these CBD companies have to pay for council staff to catch buses, and for their own staff!
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September 20, 2023 11:08am
BeaB

Darren Hughes, once the son Helen Clark never had, has just been on Radio NZ news, commenting sagely on the leaders’ debates.
Is he now back in the fold? Has he been rehabilitated? In the light of historical sex activities by the likes of Russell Brand, don’t we, the listeners, deserve to be told Darren Hughes’ status nowadays.
After all, wasn’t it in 2011 that the naked student fled Annette King’s house? Only 12 years ago.
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September 20, 2023 11:13am
- David Garrett
  
  BeaB: Hughes’ encounter with the naked male student occurred in March 2011
  
  Rather than hunt him down and camp outside his house as they did me, the media did nothing when it became common knowledge that he was hiding at Paul Henry’s beach house.
  
  It is notable that when the cops announced they weren’t charging him, Hughes publicly claimed to have been the victim of a false complaint. That resulted in the most unusual step of the police announcing that there was no question of a false complaint having been made, but rather there was insufficient evidence to sustain a prosecution.
  
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  September 20, 2023 11:39am
  - plc
    
    Never understood Paul Henry’s motivation for helping out.
    
    Doesn’t strike me as the “good Samaritan” type
    
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    September 20, 2023 12:06pm
Maggie Pie

And it’s not looking good for @rustyrockets either…..

https://mol.im/a/12534691
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September 20, 2023 11:39am
- imalwaysright
  
  Ive seen Ryan brag about her sex history also. She used to work at Hooters and was known for how many tips she got.
  
  All the accusers should lodge formal complaints with the police. If they are true then prosecute him.
  If they are fake then prosecute the accusers.
  
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  September 20, 2023 1:53pm
Terry Dalee

For those that missed it… watch the wokster Simon Wilson get given a lesson on racial baiting and his failure in his role as the ‘forth estate’…

All while Simon rants on about David Seymour and ACT…

https://www.youtube.com/live/AYqqfR2tg8I?si=Ys0oIUhAgLzjLAfj&t=3069

“You are stopping the role of the media, which should be to debate this stuff without slinging labels around….” Fran O’Sullivan to Simon Wilson.

What a muppet Wilson is. I understand the need for balance at the NZ Herald but Simon Wilson comes across as completely unhinged.
This is the guy that blamed landlords for the vacancies on Queen St… never mind the fact the place has a been a construction site for 5 years….

Its enough to cancel my Herald sub….
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September 20, 2023 12:16pm
- Terry Dalee
  
  Damien: “It is a yes or no question, is Jordan Williams a racist because he does not agree with co-governance?”
  
  Simon: “No”
  
  Damien: “No? OK, so if Jordan Williams isn’t racist, then what about all of the other people? Are they not racist either?
  Because you cannot turn around to somebody and say because you disagree with me on this issue, ipso facto so you must be a racist.
  The people that are stirring up racial hatred are the people who go there and infer from somebody’s political views – Malice. And that sir is WRONG and you shouldn’t do it.
  You are a member of the forth estate and YOU SHOULD DO BETTER”
  
  Simon: meekly looks around like a deer in headlights while crowd cheers wildly….
  
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  September 20, 2023 12:30pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Member of the 4th Estate? More like the 5th Column.
    
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    September 20, 2023 12:57pm
    - David Garrett
      
      In vino: Indeed…and you’d think the guy would at least wash his hair – or better yet get a farking haircut as well – before being in a televised debate.
      
      More substantially, based on that performance he has lost any shred of credibility he may have had as a journo.
      
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      September 21, 2023 7:27am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Have you ever had the pleasure of seeing his YT interview with Jordan Peterson? Peterson was so nice when he really need not have been.
  
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  September 20, 2023 12:45pm
thirteenstars

Nice precis of the various haka performances at the World Cup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lhgJXdrWCE

Lots of memories there.
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September 20, 2023 12:20pm
Matt Long

Either a whole bunch of Georgia voters forgot who they voted for, or moved out of state, or died of sudden death syndrome, because these numbers don’t add up.
https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1704259965559672888
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September 20, 2023 12:23pm
Matt Long

What happens when the OS system for your military hardware is hacked?
Maybe something like this?
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1703988467771015430
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September 20, 2023 12:30pm
Damocles11

On Winston Peters and his status as a hero amongst the ‘Covid’ people, I found this comment from someone on-line:

‘Peters shouted down anti vaxers at his rallies (search on YouTube to watch this), he also said: ‘no jab means no dole and no parole’, and he won’t let his anti vax candidate speak to the media.’

And then I found this Winston Peters tweet confirming the actual quote: ‘no-jab means no dole and no parole’.

https://twitter.com/winstonpeters/status/1444853949916348421
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September 20, 2023 12:32pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Winston would have been completely fucked as a politician years ago if his potential voters could remember earlier incarnations.
  
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  September 20, 2023 1:51pm
  - I remember when
    
    Even Winston doesn’t know what he stands for,
    except he stands parliament every three years.
    
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    September 20, 2023 3:24pm
    - David Garrett
      
      I remember: That’s a brilliant quote regarding the Great Charlatan…he is living proof of what WSC said about the average voter and his intelligence/perspicacity.
      
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      September 21, 2023 7:29am
cmm

“Green Hills Software produces the Integrity 178B Operating System that powers the F-35, F-22, F-16, and B-2. It also powers the Airbus A380. It was also quite possibly leaked”

This is pure rubbish by someone who does not understand software security.

Leaking secure software does not change whether it is secure or not, except maybe by revealing some exploits.

Indded, the opposite applies: the more scrutiny the code has, the less likely there are to be security bugs.

What really compromises software systems is leaking security keys. These are nothing to do with the OS.

Most high security stuff out there is running on the Linux OS. Here is the source code. Anyone can download it: https://www.kernel.org/. Don’t worry, it is perfectly legal to do so and having it open does not compromise security.

Almost certainly what went wrong was the higher level avoinics software. This has little to do with the underlying OS.

Why do I say that? The Greenhills OS is stable and does not change much and has very rigorous test suites that check for errors when people change things. It is also reasonably small.

The vast bulk of the software on a beast like the F35 is higher level avionics software written by Lockheed Martin and their subcontractors. This is changing relatively often and cannot easily be tested like OS software can.

Therefore my standard bet of a servo pie and 50 cents says this has nothing to do with the Greenhills OS.
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September 20, 2023 12:52pm
- bennerg
  
  Well put. It’s called the Application Layer, and where most issues occur, where less eyes allows vulnerabilities to occur.
  
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  September 20, 2023 10:13pm
Ghost

hipkins is doing another stand up where all he seems to be talking about is national. Nothing about labour so far. They ask why he isn’t in the latest ad, the ad is about nationals cuts, more national. I wonder if hipkins has anything to say about labour, it seems to be a press conference about national
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September 20, 2023 1:14pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Yeah, but what’s to say about Labour? Their accomplishments?
  
  Bwhahahahshaha!
  
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  September 20, 2023 7:49pm
Maggie Pie

And in case you’re wondering what Nanaia’s
been doing just prior to the election…..

https://twitter.com/winstonpeters/status/1704306879013536066

OUTRAGEOUS!!
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September 20, 2023 1:46pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  ‘Labour, we just can’t help ourselves.’
  
  Now that is a slogan that sticks.
  
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  September 20, 2023 1:56pm
  - Prince
    
    Perhaps Labour – We’ve been helping ourselves for six years’ would be more appropriate.
    
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    September 20, 2023 5:59pm
- Notsofast
  
  Can’t open his link, is there text that can be posted here?
  
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  September 20, 2023 2:24pm
  - Matt Long
    
    Its longish but here goes;
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    Winston Peters
    @winstonpeters
    The Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta’s presence in New York today at the United Nations General Assembly is a contempt of New Zealand’s “caretaker government” convention.
    
    Despite the long-standing caretaker convention, Minister Mahuta is today at the UN to sign a highly contentious “Biodiversity Beyond National Jurisdiction (BBNJ) Agreement”, delivering a national statement on behalf of New Zealand at the UN, and then undertaking bilateral meetings with world leaders and counterparts.
    
    Parliament has risen and New Zealand is less than two weeks from when early voting begins on October 2nd. The caretaker convention has always been that these matters the Foreign Minister is engaged in, should be left to the next government to deal with.
    
    Minister Mahuta claims to be doing this on behalf of “Aotearoa New Zealand”, which to begin with is not our country’s name. What she omitted to explain was why she is signing this agreement now, this close to an election, when this agreement is open for signature in New York for the next two years.
    
    There has been no public announcement or discussion of the Minister’s intention to sign the agreement. In short, the Minister is signaling before the next government is even elected, an intention to ratify.
    
    Labour is putting globalists in charge of the high seas, and from here the NGOs will take over the secretariat and expand the remit of this document, to ensure that all activity on the high seas will require UN approval – such as shipping, fishing, and deep-sea mining.
    
    Labour has no mandate to push forward with this covert agenda, with just weeks out from the election.
    
    As an aside, why is a Minister who has failed so often to travel to secure diplomatic agreement in our own neighbourhood of the “Blue Pacific Continent”, now travelling all the way to New York, and then Washington, when those offshore dealing with her have a certainty that there is little likelihood of Labour being in the next government.
    
    This is circa 2010 all over again when Minister Pita Sharples, without any public notice, travelled to the UN in the dead of night and signed UNDRIP (United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples) – after the previous Foreign Minister and Government had already declined to sign the declaration in 2007.
    
    This is another example of Labour’s “Pandoras Box” principle – Labour is doing everything they can before the election in the hopes that “once it’s done it cannot be undone”.
    
    This level of contempt shown for the people of New Zealand and our long-standing democratic convention, is an astonishing development that cannot, and will not, go unchecked.
    
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    September 20, 2023 4:11pm
    - kevn
      
      Matt… Bit like BlackRock becoming NZs financiers. Who knew?
      Not IMF but a shareholder driven global giant.
      robberson is already dipping into the newly sourced funding which used NZ inc as collateral.
      Remember seeing a pic (no comment) arden floating out of BlackRock HQ in the USA a year or so ago?
      Work it out.
      
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      September 20, 2023 4:35pm
- cmm
  
  Hey Winston, stop bitching. These are the (inaudibles) that you put in power!
  
  Wanker.
  
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  September 20, 2023 2:40pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/300974306/carol-hirschfeld-has-a-new-job-at-tvnz
Of course she has.
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September 20, 2023 2:37pm
- cmm
  
  Even more entrenching before the change of govt.
  
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  September 20, 2023 2:41pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  On Mega Bucks for a short time and then finds that the money from the Govt dries up and it is “sink or swim”.
  
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  September 20, 2023 2:57pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And look at this spin….
  
  In March, 2018, it became known she had agreed to meet with the minister of broadcasting, Clare Curran, and eventually resigned after repeatedly telling her bosses the meeting was coincidental – leading them to inadvertently lie about the meeting to a select committee.
  
  I hope Melissa Lee is keeping a close watch on TVNZ.
  
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  September 20, 2023 3:04pm
  - Swifty
    
    Contrast the behaviour of Hirschfeld and how her subsequent public service career skipped along gaily, against all manner of righties who, whenever mentioned in the media, are always prefaced with ‘disgraced’ and wouldn’t have a show of getting public service employment.
    
    The luvvies know how to look after themselves.
    
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    September 20, 2023 4:57pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    ‘inadvertently lie’ is an oxymoron
    
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    September 20, 2023 7:51pm
    - David Garrett
      
      Nevermind: No…to be fair, her then bosses DID inadvertently lie because they repeated what Hirschfeld had told them which was a lie…and that is what led to her being sacked.
      
      Swifty: Spot on…thankfully media interest in me has long passed, but for years after I left parliament I was routinely referred to as “Disagrace ACT MP David Garrett…”. For those on the left – such as Clare Curran – it was always just “Former MP..”
      
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      September 21, 2023 7:35am
- I remember when
  
  Just made it before the “not employing and staff numbers review.”
  
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  September 20, 2023 3:20pm
Ghost

Looks like the trans group are the ones that caused police issues again

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300974391/protesters-clash-with-police-after-court-appearance-of-posie-parker-juice-thrower
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September 20, 2023 2:55pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Shame the police hierachy couldn’t have sent a few of those cops to sort out the Rebels gang who terrorised Thames over the weekend 🙁
  
  Priorites?
  
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  September 20, 2023 3:16pm
  - kevn
    
    Maggie… I wonder what Graeme Bell (Police 10/7) thinks of the Corromandel caper. He is in Whitianga.
    
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    September 20, 2023 5:12pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      “morons” “scumbags” “murderous thugs” “mindless lowlifes” “gutless goons”
      
      Det. Insp. Bell certainly had a way with words 😀
      
      Compare that to Cuddles….”they need wrap around support”
      
      LOL!!
      
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      September 20, 2023 5:31pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Jeeesus, what a horrible piece of propaganda that article is.
  
  Usual suspects amongst the anti-free speech crowd. Check out this face from today:
  
  https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/4/z/6/x/e/r/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.1240×700.4z6xbr.png/1695187059016.jpg?format=pjpg&optimize=medium
  
  Now, here’s the video from way back in March at Albert Park. The same dude with the same psycho eyes, same black mask, pulling down barricades and then trying to stare down a woman:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmMeCl4bUVE
  
  And the same signage. They must have a warehouse for this stuff.
  
  Yip, yip.
  
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  September 20, 2023 6:04pm
- David Garrett
  
  Ghost: An absolute disgrace that Parker was not able to be present because the police “couldn’t guarantee her safety”
  
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  September 21, 2023 7:39am
Biscuit

I must watch One Ewes tonight.

After the lovefest between Tane Jack and Jess at the end of the Debate, I’m sure we’re gonna get saccharined to near-death with something like:

Simon: What’s on on ‘Seven Sharp’ tonight, Hilary?
Hilary: A packed show, Simon, a cat got found 2 days after going missing in Waimate! We’ll talk to the 54 residents of the worried-sick street. But before I go can I congratulate you on your reading of the News today. Top notch stuff! I’m sure you’re the frontrunner for Best Reader Of An Autocue at the Awards we’ll be giving ourselves later this year
Simon: Thanks, Hilary. May I say you look stunning in that outfit?
Jeremy: WHAT ABOUT ME?
Dan: Sensational, Jeremy, as always. Matty just texted me to tell me you’re his fave male in the building.
Simon: My, we’re a wonderful team, aren’t we? And weren’t Jack and Jess just wonderful last night?
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September 20, 2023 3:03pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Hitler phones Biden.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovPjK4T8cxk
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September 20, 2023 3:04pm
- Ghost
  
  This will be your kind of show Steve. Reverse speech on Biden speeches
  
  https://gsradio.net/renselive/
  
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  September 20, 2023 3:08pm
I remember when

That ‘gender non-conforming’ has a nice ring to it!
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September 20, 2023 3:18pm
Maggie Pie

Tomato Juice thrower Eliana Goberstein applied to have charges against her dismissed.
Dudge has “reserved her decision” till 26 October.

Oh FFS…..I would have thought it was cut and dried? 🙁
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September 20, 2023 3:21pm
- Ghost
  
  Wise decision. After the election. Throwing it out then wont damage labours failed election campaign
  
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  September 20, 2023 3:24pm
Damocles11

UNDRIP is the worst thing New Zealand has ever been signed up to. Winston excoriates Key for allowing it to happen but it seems like every nation was under immense pressure to sign up to, and indeed all our Western friends and partners in the post-colonial (post British Empire) world have done so. Regardless of that, it should never have happened. It is an external element which is extremely corrosive to our democracy. It puts so-called ‘indigenous people’ above and separate from every other citizen. UNDRIP dictates that indigenous people must have separate systems and self determination. This is nothing less that the creation of a separate state within a state. The UN has spoken, the UN has externally dictated the internal future of this country. That is unacceptable. It is not in the best interests of this country to be divided by race. We must be one citizenry, all working together to solve our problems. This is ‘divide and conquer’ in practice. The UN is not bearing any of the costs of implementing UNDRIP, maori won’t bear the costs of implementing UNDRIP, the New Zealand taxpayer will have to bear all of the monumental monetary and societal costs.

If there was ever a thing to have a mass protest about, it is the unconstitutional and undemocratic UNDRIP, a mechanism that allows external forces to destroy out country.
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September 20, 2023 3:53pm
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  Helen Clark, for all her faults, saw UNDRIP for what it was – incompatible with NZ democracy.
  
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  September 20, 2023 7:50pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Pope: Quite so…it was Key’s biggest mistake. Even his own MP’s didn’t know he had dispatched Sharples to the UN to sign the bloody thing. It will be the thing Key is most remembered for in years to come.
    
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    September 21, 2023 7:46am
greybeard

Things which people say which annoy me:
“Quad bikes”: there is no such thing. By definition a bicycle (bike) has 2 wheels and a quadricycle (quad) has 4.
“Long story short”: the correct saying is “to cut a long story short….”.
“Proof of the pudding”: the correct saying is “the proof of the pudding is in the eating”.
Those who cannot pronounce “distribute / distributed / distributing”, “contribute / contributed / contributing ” .
Worst of all, those who cannot say “women”.

OK, a bit silly but that is how I feel. Am I alone ?
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September 20, 2023 4:10pm
- Steve Todd
  
  Numbers four and five are not silly, greybeard.
  
  Why, sometime over the last 20 or 30 years or so, did the pronunciation of ‘distribute’, etc., change from distribute, to distribute? And why did it happen?
  
  Certainly since my teens, in the 60s, I have always pronounced the plural of ‘woman’ as ‘whimmen’, yet, I still hear educated, professional people on radio and TV, including women, pronouncing the plural of ‘woman’, as ‘woman’. It’s infuriating!
  
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  September 20, 2023 4:36pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Regarding the pronunciation of ‘distribute’, etc., I meant to ask, “And how did it happen?”
    
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    September 20, 2023 5:03pm
- Diogenes
  
  I teach English to migrants, Greybeard, and one of the hardest tasks is helping them to make some sense of New Zild accent and speech habits. I wonder whether Kiwis are among the worst speakers of their own tongue in the world. We speak too quickly, don’t open our mouth, swallow words, collapse words into each other or leave them out entirely, and use a range of slang not known elsewhere. So your complaint, while it has some validity, is small beer among the myriad of other traits, sadly.
  
  Just this week I asked my Korean students whether Koreans mangle their words in similar fashion. They said they are generally much more precise in pronunciation. I happen to speak a little Chinese, and while I find the tones and speed at which they tend to talk hard to follow, their diction usually appears to be fairly precise.
  
  Incidentally, my pet pronunciation hate is “jewlerry”, instead of jewelry. And in this case, it’s not just Kiwis. I hear it constantly on the TV programme Antiques Roadshow. If the best of Brits can’t get it right!!!!
  
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  September 20, 2023 4:40pm
  - MCōs
    
    My Thai stepson, who lived in NZ for several years, picked up a job in Bangkok on the strength of his ability to understand antipodean accents.
    
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    September 20, 2023 5:32pm
  - H. Upmann
    
    It’s all Steve Hanson’s fault.
    How to speak with mouth closed.
    
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    September 20, 2023 10:05pm
- Gravelroad
  
  What I find grating is when people say and write about “sat”.-
  There’sRichie McCaw sat watching the world cup.
  The Prime Minister was sat next to the cat at the dinner.
  Sounds bloody awful.
  An import from pommy land.
  
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  September 20, 2023 5:19pm
  - lifesgood
    
    That and stood as in “I was stood there” What is wrong with the ignorant poms?
    
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    September 20, 2023 5:30pm
  - Jack5
    
    Gravelroad’s … An import from pommy land …
    
    FFS, the whole English language is an import from “Pommy land”.
    
    Regarding Gravelroad’s interesting example, “the Prime Minister was sat”…
    
    The Third Edition of Fowler’s “Modern English Language notes (page 691) that:
    
    … sat, used as a present participle ( = standard English sitting), has been rediscovered by dialect scholars, who say that it is widely used in parts of the north and west of England.
    
    Fowler’s lists examples, including one dated 1990 from New Zealand: ” … you are sat on the back benches … “.
    
    Interesting to hear Diogenes talk of teaching English to young Asians. I presume most would prefer to learn English with an American accent, given that’s the most popular destination.
    
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    September 20, 2023 10:59pm
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  brought/bought (thanks Jacinda)
  
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  September 20, 2023 7:51pm
kevn

Quad bikes usually refer to the farmbikes, 4 wheeled motorized.
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September 20, 2023 4:29pm
Damocles11

The ‘Trans Rights’ leader seems to have an English accent. Probably imported specifically to cause trouble here.

The group are also fluent in pidgin, unsurprisingly.

‘On the other side of the tape, were the Trans Liberation Alliance (TLA) group, who say they hope to work “towards the liberation of trans, irawhiti, and gender non-conforming people across the motu”.’

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/300974391/protesters-clash-with-police-after-court-appearance-of-posie-parker-juice-thrower
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September 20, 2023 4:40pm
- MCōs
  
  Posie’s a pom too.
  
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  September 20, 2023 5:26pm
Maggie Pie

Who was it said Palmy is boring?

TRENDING TWITTER

Pamerston North Police seek help from the public….

https://twitter.com/NZPoliceMedia/status/1704353836629193200
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September 20, 2023 4:58pm
Ghost

Whoops, another hipkins ~~fact~~ lie

Labour leader Chris Hipkins has admitted a claim he made in last night’s debate was incorrect when he said fizzy drinks were banned in primary schools.

During the debate, Hipkins made the claim as he revealed Labour’s intention to apply the ban in secondary schools, saying evidence for its extension was in the existing ban.

Today, while standing at Wairoa Airport, Hipkins fessed up, saying that he had misunderstood the result of work done by the Ministry of Education on whether fizzy drinks should be banned in primary schools.

Article
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September 20, 2023 5:11pm
- Manu-Rau
  
  Did anyone ask the dissembling POS WTF the Ministry of Education is doing researching rubbish like this while our childrens’ ability to read, write and add is disappearing through the floorboards?
  
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  September 21, 2023 3:06am
MCōs

For all the two leaders waffled on about the usual tired old topics in last night’s Battle of the Bland I’m picking the real issues weren’t even touched on.
That is how will the Nats/ACT government handle the natural disasters that are heading our way.
While something can be done about youthful criminals; droughts/flooding & pandemics are a different story.
Today it was 28° in Timaru with an earthquake not a million miles away!
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September 20, 2023 5:24pm
- Manu-Rau
  
  Put your silly little mask on, and scurry home to Mummy.
  
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  September 21, 2023 3:10am
kevn

They were mostly answering the inane questions put to them.
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September 20, 2023 5:39pm
Damocles11

The National / ACT right bloc dropped by 1 seat to 61 according to the latest One News poll. 12% of people are still undecided apparently. Hopefully these are people still deciding between National and ACT. Hopefully we can get the Leftists out and don’t have to deal with the nightmare of a Labour / Green / Te Pati government.
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September 20, 2023 6:16pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  You’ll find a lot of these undecided are people opposed to all of the covid policies Particularly those people financially, physically or psychologically damaged by those policies.
  They are watching and waiting to see which party will best represent them in Parliament.
  Hint, it isn’t currently National or ACT.
  
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  September 21, 2023 7:05am
Mrs_Right

Another One News poll indicates a National/Act government.
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September 20, 2023 6:35pm
- Damocles11
  
  Loyal NZ and Freedom NZ now both registering 1%. The New Conservative Party were polling at 1% on 13 September, so they are probably still within cooee of that number. Every vote is needed to defeat the far Leftists. Hopefully ‘covid’ people can see the big picture here, which is the need to ensure Labour / Green / Te Pati Maori can’t get anywhere near government.
  
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  September 20, 2023 7:25pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Then get your favourite political party’s leader to acknowledge that the covid response was wrong and that there will be a proper investigation into all aspects, with no limits to the terms of reference.
    
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    September 21, 2023 7:01am
BananaLlama

National down ACT up this is why you take an average of polls.
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