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Warren

Will and could West Coast Tasman flip.
This shows you how likely it is going to happen when people are talking that Maureen Pugh is set to oust long servings Labour MP Damien O’conner from this loyal red seat where it all began for the Labour Party.
This shows that the people on the West Coast have had enough because the cost of living is hurting with many on the West Coast who have supported Damien O’conner since1996 saying its not good enough and at a recent Election debate in Greymouth heckled the long serving MP about his and Labours performance in Government.
Whilst I am no Maureen Pugh fan you have to say with all the hard work she has put in for the National Party this could be the nail in the coffin for the Labour Party.
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September 17, 2023 8:00am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I like her. Apparently she is the only National MP with the stones to question the fraudulent climate narrative.
  Did Luxon’s ‘re-education’ work or does she still think for herself?
  
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  September 17, 2023 9:43am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Yes Clan,
    
    Being a free and independent thinker seems to be antithetical to several parties in the current/recent Parliament.
    
    Luxon doesn’t seem very bright.
    If Maureen has been reeducated by him she has probably already suppressed most of it.
    Smart woman.
    
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    September 17, 2023 9:56am
- The Redbaiter
  
  Yeah, Maureen Pugh who at least had the initiative to seek truth, but then was forced to recant and lie by Mr Luxon, and did so with embarrassing alacrity.
  
  Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown made me smile when he said on Q and A this morning (IIRC) that deciding who to vote for this election was like driving into Te Awamutu late at night and looking for a meal. You find one place that’s still open, but there’s nothing on the menu you want to eat.
  
  So right. Wonder how many people will choose to go to bed hungry.
  
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  September 17, 2023 12:53pm
  - Dougal23
    
    Nothing on the menu. And last time, I got poisoning which they don’t want to discuss
    
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    September 17, 2023 1:10pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Te Awamutu seems an appropriate choice for Brown’s quip. The worst takeways I ever had were from TA.
    
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    September 17, 2023 3:24pm
  - James Stephenson
    
    Ironically, that’s pretty much how I felt voting for him.
    
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    September 17, 2023 5:25pm
  - ProtectBabiesFromPredators
    
    Pining for the Fjords, Redbaiter? This political landscape that we find ourselves in is proceeding in one direction only. There is no pendulum this time. The Marxists have so much entrenched power now.
    The menu has become junk food, and in the next town also. So many bureaucratic Pitbulls in position have their jaws locked on the status quo, nothing substantive can change beyond an uprising.
    By the way, in real life the frog does jump out.
    
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    September 17, 2023 7:11pm
- Trev
  
  It is highly possible that Maureen will topple Damien however Patrick Phelps entering the race as an independent has perhaps made things just a bit harder for her. Patrick IMO is likely to take more potential votes from Maureen than from Damien. Patrick has been pushing the line vote for me as you are going to get Damien and Maureen via the list anyway. BTW I would be happy if either Maureen or Patrick won this seat and to be realistic despite being highly sound Patrick has little chance due to low name recognition. Damien whilst good on a personal level has been a disaster for the Coast with his following of Labour policy rather than promoting what is good for Coast/Tasman. I know all three mentioned from some decades back and have relations on the Coast so have some idea of what is going on.
  
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  September 17, 2023 3:25pm
  - Damocles11
    
    Patrick is a former red radio journalist who wants to combat climate change and lower our emissions. If National voters do their research, I can’t see them abandoning Maureen for Patrick. I have my suspicions about Patrick. I have an antipathy towards Independent MP’s that may align themselves with the Left at any moment. If I lived on the West Coast, I would not give my electorate vote to Patrick. I would not encourage any right of centre voters to vote for Patrick. On the other hand, I would dearly love for half the Labour supporters on the West Coast to vote for Patrick.
    
    About Patrick –
    ‘Since my first job at the local supermarket at the age of fifteen, I’ve worked as a labourer in a workshop pulling apart excavators, as a farm hand on dairy farms, tour guide in South Westland, and broadcast journalist at Radio New Zealand. I had a stint at Silver Fern Farms working in marketing and communications roles, as well as a maintenance worker at the company’s Hokitika freezing works. I have also worked in pest control on Great Barrier Island.’
    
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    September 17, 2023 7:22pm
    - Sacha
      
      Sounds like a jack-of-all-trades, but Master of None.
      
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      September 17, 2023 7:44pm
      - Damocles11
        
        Sounds like prime Labour material. Can’t blame the bloke for trying to jag an MP’s salary. ‘Slim and none’.
        
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        September 17, 2023 8:15pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Was he one of those dropping the 16 tonnes of brodifacoum on Great Barrier Island when DOC deliberately slaughtered hundreds of native weka in an ideological pursuit to turn one of the off shore islands into a haven for migratory, non native seabirds?
      Native weka which were a threatened species and which DOC relocated there to begin with?
      
      Oh, they also slaughtered native kereru, hawk, waxeye, piwakawaka and anything else that visited the island in the following couple of weeks. Because they are such a ‘kind and caring’ government organisation, in the mold of Jacinda Ardern.
      
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      September 17, 2023 11:20pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Don’t forget the Tasman bit. WC-T also includes Golden Bay. Quite different to the rest of the electorate.
  
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  September 17, 2023 3:53pm
- WCoaster
  
  There is no chance Pugh beats O’Connor.
  
  She doesn’t have the support locally.
  
  West Coast Tasman would be better voting for Patrick Phelps as the Independent
  
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  September 17, 2023 7:25pm
  - Damocles11
    
    In the Labour landslide of 2020, O’Connor won the seat by 6,208 votes. I think National could take it. Labour will see a massive swing against it. 2008 showed Labour and O’Connor can lose this seat.
    
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    September 17, 2023 7:52pm
  - KiWombat
    
    You cannot be a real “WCoaster” because down here O’Connor is known as “The Ghost of the Coast”
    
    He visited the Coast for the first time in ages this week, possibly a year of so. He must be feeling under threat !
    
    O’Connor may win Motueka, but it will be Pugh all the way from Karamea to Jacksons Bay.
    
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    September 17, 2023 9:33pm
    - WCoaster
      
      My comment doesn’t say I support O’Connor – I say that there is no chance he loses to Pugh.
      
      He should be banished from the Coast given the amount of damage that he and his parties policies have done to this place.
      
      You have to remember what is bedded in down here in terms of historic voting.
      
      Very happy to be proven wrong, but from a Coast perspective Patrick Phelps is the best option.
      
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      September 18, 2023 8:29am
  - Trev
    
    No one I’ve talked to from Greymouth has taken that line. A couple of months back we holidayed in Buller, where Damien was raised and has family, and found there was strong anti Labour sentiment there. His strongest support is now in the north of the electorate and with those on benefits. In Greymouth which we also visited nearly everyone we talked to supported Maureen Pugh. BTW I don’t think Patrick Phelps is closer to Labour than National. He has spoken up against the locking up of stewardship land for mining which is Labour policy as has Maureen who gained a lot of support for her stance on utilising wind thrown timber on crown land excluding National Parks. This one will be an interesting race.
    
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    September 18, 2023 8:22am
Damocles11

Stand by for an announcement next week by Chipkins:
“Today I am announcing that a Labour government will provide a free electric car to all beneficiaries and low income earners, fully funded and costed out of borrowing”.

Media: “Cool”.

Luxon: “And National re-commit’s once again to providing tax relief for the ‘squeezed middle’.”

Media: “Ooooeeeerrr…what about your massive hole, you absolute mongrel”.
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September 17, 2023 8:01am
Matt Long

Babylon Bee notes that Harvard gives speaking slots to the biggest failures in the world. Ardern is in a peer group with former Chicago Mayor Lightfoot.
https://twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1703046229108662513
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September 17, 2023 8:09am
- imalwaysright
  
  Many judges and law firms won’t hire Harvard law graduates. Too woke, too needy, and incapable of critical thinking.
  
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  September 17, 2023 8:16am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Saw a comment to te same effect some time ago.
    
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    September 17, 2023 11:11am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Both dropkicks – even though this is The Bee.
  
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  September 17, 2023 8:41am
Tomtoddy

The media’s behaviour over National’s tax issue has gone from being a genuine inquisitorial role to arrogant and rude, even childish intervention. Too many reporters think they have some god given right to ask what they want, get the answer they chose and on the terms they establish. Oh, for some maturity in the MSM.
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September 17, 2023 8:09am
- Albie
  
  Rebecca Wright’s interview with Luxon over the weekend was a case in point. An appalling display of attack journalism. To his credit Luxon didn’t get rattled, even managed to get in a subtle barb about her working for the Labour Party.
  
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  September 17, 2023 8:22am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Albie – it was legacy media doing their job holding power to account, holding the NEXT government to account. Just the same as they have been doing for the past 6 years.
    
    Rebecca Wright, PR for Kiwibuild. Say no more!
    
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    September 17, 2023 10:15am
    - Tricati
      
      Wasn’t it Rachel Smalley that worked for Twyford. Just as bad as Rebecca Wright, think they are above most New Zealanders.
      
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      September 17, 2023 11:28am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    I’m not sure she can be accused of bias. Have you seen her grilling of the hapless Ginny Andersen? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDvU0IPPj_M&t=319s
    
    Seems to me she’s a pitbull, no matter who she’s interviewing. No bad thing surely – do we really want tame journalists? (no that’s not a dig at Jack Tame)
    
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    September 17, 2023 3:26pm
- Dead Earnest
  
  And every time the media ask another question about the funding of National’s tax cuts, they remind Nzers that they can vote for a party that will put more money in their back pocket. As a consequence National continues to rise in the polls. A delicious own goal by the leftwing chattering class.
  
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  September 17, 2023 8:26am
  - Paulus
    
    Don’t the so called media (mainly feminist variety) hate the fact that National continue to increase in the polls.
    This is not what they are paid to project and expect to continue to denigrate the incoming Government from day one.
    
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    September 17, 2023 11:02am
    - rouppe
      
      Shades of 2014:
      
      Katie Bradford saying: “No matter what we do, no matter what we say, the polls still favour National”
      
      I’ve spent the last 15 minutes trying to tease out of Google a direct quote, but it seems to have been affected by the new history curriculum.
      
      There is a reference in kiwiblog though
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/12/2014_kiwiblog_awards_winners.html#comment-1449727
      
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      September 17, 2023 2:03pm
- James Stephenson
  
  What did you expect? They think they’ve found the issue to get Labour back in the race.
  
  Compare and contrast with two elections ago, when Stephen Joyce identified that Robertson’s numbers didn’t add up, the media ran Robbo’s lines for him and attacked Joyce.
  
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  September 17, 2023 8:26am
  - imalwaysright
    
    James
    
    The media are the bottom of the pork barrel.
    
    They are the only ally the labour party have left.
    
    Shows how stupid both parties are.
    
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    September 17, 2023 10:01am
- artemisia
  
  Am I the only one thinking that a different Prime Minister and Minsters might be way too busy to ever be interviewed by Rebecca Wright?
  
  Consequences….
  
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  September 17, 2023 8:35am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Yeah, even Shaneel Lal has to comment.
  
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  September 17, 2023 8:39am
  - GT Build
    
    I want to know where he copied all of that “opinion piece” from because I don’t believe that he would understand half of what was written
    
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    September 17, 2023 10:17am
    - Hard Cheese
      
      I’d say the bulk of that was ghost written for him, or he cribbed it from other Herald articles. The tone of it changes completely from the first half to the second
      
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      September 17, 2023 10:28am
    - Dougal10
      
      Chat GP can turn almost anyone from a blithering idiot into a jurno.
      
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      September 17, 2023 10:36am
      - zulumonster
        
        to be fair that’s not much of a leap …
        
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        September 17, 2023 6:54pm
  - Hard Cheese
    
    Shraneel Lal: “I am not an economist…”
    
    Literally three lines later:
    
    “All these things point to one thing for me: National will lead us into economic trouble.”
    
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    September 17, 2023 10:25am
    - Tricati
      
      Should ask the muppet to have a look at NZ’s Debt Clock, and see how that’s going under Labour.
      https://www.debtclock.nz/
      
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      September 17, 2023 11:31am
    - Flossie
      
      Are we not there already?
      
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      September 17, 2023 11:46am
  - Tomtoddy
    
    Who?
    
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    September 17, 2023 10:34am
- JC60
  
  Lloyd Burr’s obsession with taking down Luxon and the National Party over the tax issue in numerous articles at Newshub bears a striking similarity to Simon Wilson’s vendetta against Auckland mayor Wayne Brown in the Herald.
  
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  September 17, 2023 8:40am
  - RoboRob
    
    Just read a piece on Newshub titled ‘Luxon walks off again amid more questions over tax plan’.
    
    Actually it was nothing of the sort. Luxon clearly endured 20mins of stupid tax policy funding questions and said thats enough. Burr replaced Tova as the Newshub UK reporter and is now back here. It seems like he is following in Tovas footsteps. Doesn’t seem to be a smart move Lloyd.
    
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    September 17, 2023 10:37am
    - stiff cheese
      
      “amid more questions” — it was just repeating the same question, wasn’t it?
      
      And did I hear Burr correctly (as he followed Luxon down the road) telling Luxon what the rules are? In essence, Burr’s rule is: Luxon has to stand in front of Burr answering questions until Burr decides he’s finished.
      
      @JC60: You might’ve missed Burr’s vital role at Today FM which, tragically, is no more. Tova worked there too.
      
      But I’m sure the demise of Today FM had nothing to do with Lloyd and Tova. They were obviously keeping it afloat with their riveting opinions. The low audience share must’ve been caused by reactionary forces on the right… funded by dark money….
      
      P.S. Every Grant Robertson budget has had a massive HOLE in it, called the deficit…. You couldn’t run a household like that, but in a Labour government, you get the Finance job!
      
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      September 17, 2023 12:15pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        PPS. No benefit provided to NZ from Robertsons unprecedented borrow and spend so……
        
        Where is our money?
        
        I’ll be asking Mr Luxon and Mr Seymour to find out post the election.
        
        I’m hoping all KBers will add to the “show me the money” chorus.
        
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        September 17, 2023 12:52pm
  - Paulus
    
    Burr is just like the other feminist so called interviewers –
    Plain downright Rude !
    Bur that is par for the course – no education, no manners, and no ability.
    
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    September 17, 2023 11:04am
  - OlderChas
    
    And to some guy named Niall’s vendetta against the same mayor in our local rag (a Stuff publication)
    
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    September 17, 2023 11:35am
  - rouppe
    
    Lloyd Burr is more obsessed with wanting “the full costings” than a 12 year old is over a Playboy magazine
    
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    September 17, 2023 2:24pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It has only taken 6 years for the media to become what they are – pricks.
  
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  September 17, 2023 8:44am
- Philview
  
  The fact that there is zero analysis of Labour policy, I think there is a deeper problem than maturity.
  
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  September 17, 2023 8:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Maybe they have no policy at all? That would be why they attack National policy.
    A diversion. Man they are good at that. Hey Media, look over there, a squirrel.
    
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    September 17, 2023 9:55am
- Colville
  
  To paraphrase Luxon ” I have already given you my answer.. You might not like it but I have given it to you”
  
  I thought it was very well said
  
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  September 17, 2023 9:07am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Luxon would not have to say it if the media stopped asking the same question.
    
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    September 17, 2023 9:59am
- nathie
  
  Remember those many times the MSM used to heavily scrutinise (former) PM Ardern day after day whenever she “refuted” their questions?
  
  No, neither can I!
  
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  September 17, 2023 9:45am
  - lifesgood
    
    And that[Mod – use their names] doesn’t even know the meaning of the word “refute”. She never refuted anything…merely rejected things that were put to her.
    
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    September 17, 2023 9:51am
    - Matt Long
      
      Refude; Adjective, the magical process by which Ardern completely annihilated any criticism of her nutcase policies.
      
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      September 17, 2023 10:17am
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        My nutcase policies? I reject the premise of the question, Matt. We’re working very hard to reduce inequidy in Aotearoa.
        
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        September 17, 2023 3:36pm
    - leoj
      
      Fast getting the impression that the mods are more concerned about names than content.
      
      Just what we need here is more woke.//
      
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      September 17, 2023 10:42am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Taking out nicknames that are derogatory.
        I don’t use “Jaspinda” anymore, but “Chippie” is OK?
        
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        September 17, 2023 11:14am
      - lifesgood
        
        The thing is I didn’t use a nick name at all I merely used a term for a type of person. I take it that you cannot say someone is a dead beat, a loser, a waste of space, hopeless, inadequate, a liar etc, etc, any more.
        
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        September 17, 2023 1:51pm
    - Paulus
      
      Remember it is still the Ardern Elected Government !
      
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      September 17, 2023 11:06am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Remember Ardern is still on the public payroll.
        
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        September 17, 2023 7:55pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Do you really expect the media should accept Luxon’s word on this? because “Nicola and I are good with figures.” Luxon is a red light danger.
  He’s been found out well and truly, but don’t let that stop you from voting for him.
  He was impressive for a while but now he’s dragging an economic rottweiler around on his ankle and wondering why he’s limping.
  
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  September 17, 2023 11:48am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    So I take it you’re not a Nat supporter then Brian?
    
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    September 17, 2023 12:25pm
    - Mark Hanley
      
      Brian,
      
      you velly funny spin doctor.
      
      You make me laugh!
      
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      September 17, 2023 12:40pm
  - Manu-Rau
    
    C’mon Brian. Is that your best shot?
    
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    September 17, 2023 1:08pm
  - ProtectBabiesFromPredators
    
    Red Lights are not dangerous Brian.
    
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    September 17, 2023 7:16pm
Bridgenag

Very good video in this post

Three False Narratives from Captured Governments and Unelected Agencies Around the World
Dr Peter McCullough testifies again.

https://open.substack.com/pub/metatron/p/three-false-narratives-from-captured?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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September 17, 2023 8:13am
- ClanMcleod
  
  For those who don’t follow links, here’s the summary of the video. The three false narratives are:
  
  The first false narrative was the virus is unassailable, we have to stay in lockdown and be fearful. The second false narrative is take a vaccine, it’s safe and effective. We are now seeing a third false narrative. The third false narrative is: it’s not the vaccine causing these problems, it’s covid.
  
  Don’t fall for the false narrative. The medical literature at this point in time is compelling. The Bradford-Hill criteria for causality have been fulfilled. The vaccines are causing this enormous wave of illness.
  
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  September 17, 2023 9:54am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Thanks Clan
    
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    September 17, 2023 12:59pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Bridgenag – you’re very welcome, you put up some incredibly important posts, but many people don’t have the time or inclination to chase down the important details.
      It’s a dilemma. Attention spans are dropping when it comes to rational and truthful information.
      It is very interesting times we are living in, I wish it was better.
      
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      September 17, 2023 5:31pm
Matt Long

Local iwi wants the government to give them Ruapehu skifeilds plus underwrite any commercial risks.
Doesn’t want anyone else allowed to bid.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ruapehu-fields-not-commercially-viable-iwi-says#Echobox=1694456719
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September 17, 2023 8:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Tuwharetoa run out of money? Can’t see it. Just begging for free shit again.
  Nek minit it will be Maori only on the chair lifts.
  
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  September 17, 2023 8:52am
  - Drone
    
    Maori FREE on the chairlifts Steve you forgot to add that bit.
    
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    September 17, 2023 9:02am
    - Colville
      
      It’s not free.. Its just they will be paid for by others, probably taxpayer.
      iwi will still get paid!
      
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      September 17, 2023 9:25am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Correct. Anything free was taken from someone else.
        
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        September 17, 2023 11:16am
  - 7kiwi11
    
    Or free due to customary rights.
    
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    September 17, 2023 9:10am
    - Hard Cheese
      
      Snow skis are a traditional Maori method of transportation. They took skis with them on their waka voyages to Antarctica don’t you know.
      
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      September 17, 2023 1:02pm
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        Hmmm. You may laugh, but the person who published that infamous Antarctica paper now sits on a Royal Society panel that decides which scientists get research funding, and which don’t. Just one example of why I keep “banging on” about the neo-Marxist cancer in our institutions.
        
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        September 17, 2023 3:40pm
      - goNZ1
        
        Captain Scott would have been first to the Pole if Maui hadn’t got there first and slapped a Rahui on the Ross ice shelf
        
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        September 17, 2023 9:55pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    S.O
    
    You are dead wrong.
    Under co governance maori and non maori will share the chairlifts equally.
    
    Maori only can use them going up.
    
    Everyone else can use them going down.
    
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    September 17, 2023 9:12am
  - rouppe
    
    There would almost certainly be a price differential.
    
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    September 17, 2023 12:34pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘Local iwi wants the government to give them Ruapehu skifeilds plus underwrite any commercial risks.
  Doesn’t want anyone else allowed to bid.’
  
  The definition of bro governance.
  
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  September 17, 2023 9:05am
- John Loveridge
  
  Oh for fuck’s sake.
  
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  September 17, 2023 10:15am
- Jethrod
  
  You can almost hear the bulldozers reving up to demolish The Chateau Tongariro.
  
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  September 17, 2023 11:18am
  - Damocles11
    
    ‘It is a neo-colonialist icon & as such must be destroyed as part of decolonisation and re-indigenisation’.
    
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    September 17, 2023 1:27pm
  - Local Miller
    
    That won’t be a problem, the Hotel is closing. Apparently it’s not earthquake safe, plus the sky fields were going to close, but I suspect they simply aren’t making enough money under Liebour’s high wage requirements and the lack of tourists since C-19.
    
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    September 17, 2023 7:27pm
- Sacha
  
  Didn’t they try that on the last time? They’ll be wanting government funds to rebuild a crumbling old dump (though the windows looking out to Tongariro were rather inpressive) and maintain the skifields – and pass on supposed profits to the iwi.
  Enough said.
  
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  September 17, 2023 7:54pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Michael Bassett suspects the Media’s focus on the Nat’s Tax plans will be an own goal.

The attacks are only increasing the likelihood that National will be elected.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/michael-bassett-our-media-still-don-t-get-it
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September 17, 2023 8:21am
- Dougal10
  
  The media are in a labour bubble and this is all they have . I would suspect that this tax questioning tactic could drive labour into the teens.
  
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  September 17, 2023 8:31am
- stever
  
  I suspect people will say yeah but where were these fancy all knowing economists during the last 6 years!
  And why weren’t they constantly questioning the current government!
  
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  September 17, 2023 8:38am
  - Ghost
    
    I think national could take a hit from this, we will see in the next polls. Luxon walking away from journalists and refusing to answer questions may not go down well
    
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    September 17, 2023 9:24am
    - Cinematic
      
      Nope. It raises the awareness of the tax cuts on offer. The public consider journalists to be a bunch of turds. Win/win for the Nats.
      
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      September 17, 2023 9:40am
      - Ghost
        
        To political junkies, to normal people they see a leader avoiding answering a question
        
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        September 17, 2023 9:47am
    - nathie
      
      Why? It was a 20 min interview in the open – not a Beehive scheduled press conference.
      
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      September 17, 2023 9:47am
      - Ghost
        
        National could shut this down straight away by releasing their numbers. Instead this story is going have oxygen throughout the campaign. Funny thing is if this was labour doing this everyone on this blog would be attacking labour and asking what they are hiding, because it is national people support Luxon refuisng to give the informaton
        
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        September 17, 2023 10:03am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Ghost,
        I think National will release the numbers right before Oct 14th. Keeping them away from Labour. They lie and steal you know. (We thought of it first) they will say.
        
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        September 17, 2023 11:24am
      - Ghost
        
        That would be a shame, voting starts 2nd October
        
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        September 17, 2023 11:29am
      - nathie
        
        @ Ghost, remember Labour never give their numbers!
        
        And the media never hound Labour for them.
        
        All I want is consistency from the MSM not partisan theatrics!
        
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        September 17, 2023 12:06pm
      - Ghost
        
        And we don’t accept labour doing that, so why are we accepting national doing that. Why are some people happy to see luxon dodge the questions, if this was reversed to Hipkins we’d be posting here attacking labour. We need to demand all parties are upfront with us
        
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        September 17, 2023 12:17pm
      - rouppe
        
        @ghost I see your point. I do.
        
        If they release the model (which is what they’re really asking for) then someone will mess with the assumptions and say “look, your model says this” and then there is endless forensic tit-for-tat.
        
        I don’t believe the underlying models for the hockey stick graph were ever released, or for claiming sea levels will rise 1 metre in 50 years, or for the polar ice caps will be ice free in 10 years (is it 3 times now?).
        
        If you jump every time Lloyd Burr, or Tova O’brien, or Jessica Mutch or Katie Bradford or anyone else demands something from you, you become their toy.
        
        I’m at the point where the first politician to look one of them in the eye and say “fuck off, you dick” gets my vote.
        
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        September 17, 2023 3:03pm
    - cmm
      
      Ghost, perhaps you are correct.
      
      But on the flip side, your average voter has perhaps had a guts full of the media and like to see them brought down a peg or two.
      
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      September 17, 2023 11:43am
    - Albie
      
      Ghost- “National could take a hit from this…”
      You may be right, but then again if the Nat’s and Act took a few pages out of Orange Man Bad’s play book and treated some of the rabid media with the contempt they deserve, you might be surprised at the outcome. Just saying.
      
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      September 17, 2023 3:13pm
- RoboRob
  
  It wouldn’t be so bad if it wasn’t for the complete lack of investigation or comment on ANY policy from the left.
  
  We have weeks of daily attacks on the numbers behind a small part of Nationals tax cuts but zero questions on the costings of Labours dental policy (hint it’s much more than they’re claiming) and absolutely no questions about where the funding comes from.
  
  I will never forget the lack of interest in the reality of Labours 100,000 homes policy prior to the 2017 election and how immediately after the media were saying, of course it wasn’t possible it was always aspirational.
  
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  September 17, 2023 8:38am
- Vinicius
  
  Like that rude woman interviewer with Luxon on Newshub yesterday. Luxon was far too nice with her.
  
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  September 17, 2023 8:59am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Luxon just needs to say “You are fake news, next please.”
    But Luxon is too soft. I wish he would HTFU.
    
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    September 17, 2023 11:28am
- Prince
  
  It’s great advertising for National.
  
  Labour has borrowed $100B for no benefit for most Kiwis. They now offer are a range of ‘free’ stuff, and a laughable breakdown in the GST system. No idea how these are funded.
  
  National offers up to $250 a week to Kiwis, through Tax Cuts.
  
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  September 17, 2023 9:13am
Cassandra

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National is shooting itself in the foot over this. Bassett may be right about how voters perceive this but National can’t answer reasonable questions eg from Michael Riddell who is no swivel-eyed lefty. And it’s not the only ill-thought policy they’ve got. Boot camps is dopey too and they can’t answer any questions about it. Unnecessary self harm by Luxon.
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September 17, 2023 8:26am
- Warren
  
  Your getting as bad as Simon Wilson and Lloyd Burr with your rants about Christopher Luxon.
  
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  September 17, 2023 9:31am
  - Cassandra
    
    I actually didn’t mention Luxon. But I think Michael Redell knows more about this topic than either of us and he says that National needs to answer some questions. I do know something about boot camps and on that matter National also needs to be able to answer some questions.
    
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    September 17, 2023 11:27am
    - Warren
      
      So what was the unnecessary self harm by Luxon.
      If that’s not mentioning him what is.
      
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      September 17, 2023 12:08pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Cassandra,
        
        I’m still waiting for you to provide the link to the criticism of Nationals tax plan by Robert MacCulloch you claimed occurred.
        
        Kiwiblog is great when it is used for the sharing of accurate information and genuine objective opinions.
        
        If I wanted to read baseless claims (lies) for which there is no evidence, I’d go into Chris Hipkins Facebook page.
        
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        September 17, 2023 12:48pm
    - Prince
      
      I agree, but where is the airtime the media has given to Michael Riddell’s fifty other articles pointing out the disastrous consequences of Robertson/Orr’s tenure.
      If you relied on Stuff/TVNZ/Herald etc, you would never have heard of Riddell until he produced a piece attacking Luxon and National.
      
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      September 17, 2023 12:46pm
  - Cassandra
    
    And just for the record I’ve been donating to the National Party for 25 years or more. I think I’ve earned the right to ask questions and I must say I’m just a tad disappointed that my emails to spokespersons have not been answered, particularly when I get messages addressed to me personally asking for input.
    
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    September 17, 2023 11:38am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I disagree completely. The media’s obsession with National’s tax cuts whilst paying no attention at all to the way other parties’ policies stack up financially will win votes for National, and to a lesser degree, for ACT. People are sick of the Rebecca Wrights and Lloyd Burrs of this world telling them what to think.
  
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  September 17, 2023 9:31am
  - John Loveridge
    
    I might have missed something but I haven’t seen this same media grilling Robertson on the $100 billion hole he’s parked us in.
    
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    September 17, 2023 10:17am
  - OlderChas
    
    I was also intrigued with Burr telling Luxon what he must do as a Prime Minister!
    
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    September 17, 2023 11:40am
    - Damocles11
      
      ‘Tova’ and Burr have tickets on themselves. Can’t wait for Stuff to fold, she’s running out of journalistic boltholes.
      
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      September 17, 2023 8:25pm
- Damocles11
  
  When has Labour provided granular-level spreadsheets for anything ever? Next year Labour are geared up to borrow $940 million a week, and that’s all cool apparently. Nothing to show for it but Robertson just has to utter “all fully costed and funded” and it seems to work on journalists like a Jedi mind trick. Where are Robertson’s granular-level projections on how we’ll go from some the biggest deficits we’ve ever seem into a magic surplus in 2027? Nowhere to be seen of course. To see right wing people berating Luxon to release spread-sheets and ‘answer the questions!’ of the rabid Labour Party and its media lackeys just makes me want to puke.
  
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  September 17, 2023 10:08am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    A few days ago I said “You don’t borrow that much money and pay it back in 4 years.”
    Maybe Robertson is using common core math?
    
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    September 17, 2023 11:36am
- The Veteran
  
  Gueez … you Actoids never give up. Thought you might better spend your time reflecting on why ACT is shedding votes to both National and NZ First.
  
  Colville got it dead right with his comment.
  
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  September 17, 2023 10:38am
  - Cassandra
    
    This has got absolutely nothing to do with Act, Veteran, but National’s policy has holes in it which should be filled. Redell has sought some detail and National should provide it. He’s on your side ffs.
    
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    September 17, 2023 11:30am
  - Damocles11
    
    If National is shedding *any* votes to Winston First then it is very sad indeed. Winston just spouts populist talking points while fixating in his minds eye on the luxury hotels, restaurants, and air travel he will be enjoying when he is once again Minister of Foreign Affairs.
    
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    September 17, 2023 12:31pm
- gravedodger
  
  Only Political tragics have any idea who Michael Riddell was, is and what, pretty difficult to remove a tax cut that increases take home pay from a conscious person and the brain dead are only thinking how the grocery buy has escalated, that is reinforced every week.
  
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  September 17, 2023 11:25am
Southern Raider

Even Shaneel is using his “journalistic” talents to attack Nationals tax plan in the Herald

When you have it/they in your corner fighting for you surely you know you have lost
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September 17, 2023 8:31am
- kevn
  
  Southern… hipkins must excited to have such support. Most of NZ finds it repugnant.
  
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  September 17, 2023 9:34am
- Damocles11
  
  And the ‘progressive’ Herald quickly closed the opinion piece for comments on their Facebook page.
  
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  September 17, 2023 12:33pm
Southern Raider

So a dozen or more Urbek men with zero skills at all are allowed visas under Labours “tougher skilled” work scheme. Yet turn up to work on an industry they have no experience in and the employer is using it as a money making scheme selling visa support and bonds.

Might sound harsh but all of these people, families and the employer should be deported ASAP

Can Labour get anything right?
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September 17, 2023 8:34am
- ProtectBabiesFromPredators
  
  The immigration reset under Hipkins , completely reversing the Iwi lead Covid moratorium on new immigrants under the former Prime Minister who should not be mentioned, has eerie parallels to Merkel’s and Biden’s open border policies.
  As at 14 August 2023, Immigration New Zealand has approved 80,576 Accredited Employer Work Visa applications, and there are 27,892 accredited employers. Each accredited employer pays the government $700, then they apply for, and get given without vetting, their authorization to bring in as many immigrants, from anywhere, as they want. Earlier this year one individual was deported at a cost of $65,287.
  
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  September 17, 2023 7:32pm
Matt Long

In a horrifying brutal attack two car thieves video themselves picking out a cyclist to kill and running him d…

What’s that? Perps were AA? Victim white?

Two upstanding members of society work to decolonise Racist America.
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1702956447330668812
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September 17, 2023 8:35am
Maggy Wassilieff

Who knew that old-time Socialists still existed in NZ?
…..Remember, those folks who believed in class politics, not the ethno/identity politics of today’s latte socialists.

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2023/09/16/socialist-equality-group-is-bothered-by-maori-party-thinking-on-racial-superiority-but-it-opposes-all-parliamentary-parties/
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September 17, 2023 8:39am
- Taieri
  
  “It is a known fact that Māori genetic makeup is stronger than others.”
  
  Rawiri Waititi
  ————-
  
  Are the folks at Te Aka Whai Ora / Māori Health Authority aware of this?
  
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  September 17, 2023 8:53am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Exactly, so why do they need special treatment for their health??
    
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    September 17, 2023 9:58am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    So why the need for Gastric Surgery then. Rawiri??
    
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    September 17, 2023 10:23am
    - Sacha
      
      How long do you think it will be before the puku is back?
      Will he have tasteful tattoos around the scar line?
      
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      September 17, 2023 8:09pm
  - ProtectBabiesFromPredators
    
    Anyone who says that they are honest, are not honest. Because people who are honest never announce it. Same as vegetarians, they blurt it constantly because they cheat all the time. Same as Maori were great Warriors, they were not. They lost.
    
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    September 17, 2023 7:37pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  How can Waititi’s blatant racism be stopped?
  Is he special and therefore untouchable?
  
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  September 17, 2023 8:57am
  - Nickc2
    
    In his own dreams, YES!
    
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    September 17, 2023 9:14am
  - imalwaysright
    
    S.O
    
    Let him keep talking.
    
    Don’t forget, at least 75% of maori don’t support him.
    
    You don’t really have to wonder why.
    
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    September 17, 2023 9:19am
    - septic skeptic
      
      I reckon 75% of the other 25% wouldn’t support him either, if there wasn’t money in it for them.
      
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      September 17, 2023 11:58am
    - NothingLeft
      
      Support for Te Pati is 3:1 women:men, and 4:1 women under 50 as men. Almost 3:1 women under 50 to women over 50.
      
      That’s the clear effects of heavy indoctrination at universities and in public service over last 2-3 decades, permeating out into the woke urban monoculture. Women in that age group have adopted dominant ‘critical’ marxist institutional narratives to buy peer acceptance.
      
      For the sake of NZ’s future we need to put and end to public funding of these indoctrination centres in education from primary through tertiary and public service.
      
      Carthago delenda est.
      
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      September 17, 2023 5:58pm
  - Che Guava
    
    I have to make this comment every few weeks, but I’ll keep doing it until the message sinks in.
    
    It’s not the Maori Party’s “racism” that is the problem, it’s that stupid White people have been psyoped into thinking that “racism” is a moral evil. “Racism” just means White people asserting themselves – it beggars belief so many of us don’t understand this. Maoris aren’t “racist” because they aren’t White. They may consider themselves racially superior (why, I can’t imagine), but that isn’t what racism is.
    
    Don’t believe me? Why then is “reverse racism” the label given to a White being subject to someone else’s expression of racial superiority? I’ve told you why.
    
    Necessarily, then, unless White people want to continue to be walked over, marginalised and ground into the dust, we have to be “racist” simply because racism is Whites asserting themselves and not deferring to non-Whites.
    
    If Europeans and their so-called representatives gave up on trying to appear “anti-racist” then we’d be able to deal with the issues facing the country.
    
    I actually don’t give a shit about some Maori claiming superiority. Calling it “racist” is to completely misunderstand. It’s not “racist” to do that, all races should advocate strongly for their own.
    
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    September 17, 2023 11:08am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      To call someone ‘racist’ to their face means they have nothing more to whatever they were debating. It is a cop-out, a conversation stopper.
      
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      September 17, 2023 11:49am
    - miltonF
      
      Why are you constantly agreeing with the new Marxist redefinition of words?
      
      If you think racism is “power + privilege”
      
      If you think immunity doesn’t make you immune.
      
      If you think capitalism is when govt’s give corporations lots of money.
      
      Then you’ve already lost. The marxists have corrupted your mind.
      
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      September 17, 2023 3:59pm
Hugh Jarse

If like the media in this country, your business was not trusted by 82% of your customers and your staff were rude, ignorant, insulting and suggesting you didn’t have the sense or judgement to be able to choose the product you wanted, you probably wouldn’t last long as a viable business. Your CEO would be held to account by the shareholders and the Board.

Now that the PSJF (?) fund has finished, what actually is their source of funding, government advertising ?
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September 17, 2023 8:40am
- thirteenstars
  
  Media is heavily funded by the state in NZ.
  
  Yes, advertising, but also NZ on Air. Maori TV. Te Reo TV. Direct from govt. departments like that climate change doco and paid news stories.
  
  There’s a river of money sucked up by media of all stripes because we have a small market and they have their fingers in everything.
  
  Let’s not forget TVNZ–which has tentacles everywhere–is owned by the state. Like public education it’s become a cesspool of woke ideology infecting the minds of anyone who comes in contact with it.
  
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  September 17, 2023 10:55am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Also Te Māngai Pāho.
    
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    September 17, 2023 11:56am
- cmm
  
  Who are the media’s customers?
  If you say the public then you haven’t been paying attention.
  The media’s customers are those that pay them -not the readership. The readership are the product.
  
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  September 17, 2023 11:45am
  - Ghost
    
    With Warner bros now owner Newshub we have a media player that is owned by Black Rock and Vanguard Group
    
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    September 17, 2023 11:54am
  - NothingLeft
    
    A very large fraction of NZ’s media, $100’s of millions per year, particularly in TV, is by govt – a way of buying editorial support with the pretense of impartiality.
    
    If you haven’t been sufficiently obsequious to the left wing see how much of the next advertising campaign spend comes to your channel.
    
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    September 17, 2023 6:04pm
The Veteran

Not on the election, nor the ABs, nor the Warriors. Last night I was privileged to see what has to be arguably the greatest one day cricket innings if all time with the Yarpies scoring 415 for 5 in hammering Oz at Centurion Park in Gauteng winning by 164 runs. Klassen scored 174 runs in just 83 balls while Zampa was smashed out of the park with the worst ever bowling performance in one history … 0-113.

Sublime cricket.
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September 17, 2023 8:40am
- Colville
  
  I bet Zampa disagrees 🤣
  
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  September 17, 2023 9:30am
- Matt Long
  
  Was the game or were the book keepers the winner on the day?
  
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  September 17, 2023 10:09am
Maggy Wassilieff

Full list of your electorate candidates now available:

https://vote.nz/2023-general-election/about/2023-general-election/electorate-candidates
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September 17, 2023 8:43am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nice and easy to use, and it is done by the Govt.
  No gobbledigook.
  
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  September 17, 2023 9:02am
- Jack5
  
  From Maggy W’s list it looks as though Tubby Hansen, of Christchurch, has finally retired from politics.
  
  Charlie Gates reported in Stuff last year that Hansen had stood in every general election and mayoral race since 1969.
  
  He’s also stood for organisations such as health boards.
  
  He’s mostly got only a handful of votes.
  
  Tubby’s aspirations go back beyond 1969. He was working at the now closed Bluff freezing works earlier in the 1960s when he stood as a candidate for a southern electorate.
  
  His political promises in his Bluff days were large scale immigration of Swedish girls and a new tug for the port.
  
  Forty or more years later, his plank for health board election in Christchurch was “anti-schizophrenia”.
  
  Standing in 2022 local body elections Tubby gave his policy – in part – as, talking first about Christchurch’s Cathedral Square:
  
  “We want a nude sun bathing patch on the north lawn of the cathedral, retain the war memorial in the church grounds, and the police kiosk retained.
  
  “No more silly microwave masers to tingle or sting people at hall or street meetings, we have worked out the frequency, so don’t try it.”
  
  Charlie Gates’s humane coverage of Tubby:
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/130023313/tubby-hansen-the-man-who-has-run-unsuccessfully-in-every-christchurch-election-since-1969
  
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  September 17, 2023 9:42am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Priceless….
    
    Behind him we can see a lawnmower in his hallway and a chaos of papers and boxes.
    
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    September 17, 2023 10:10am
    - ProtectBabiesFromPredators
      
      Apparently Nikki Hager’s Father used to mow his lawns, on a regular basis, in Fielding. Naked.
      
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      September 17, 2023 7:43pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I see Don McDonald is standing yet again as an Independent candidate for Rongotai.
    
    He has also consistently stood Wellington City Council/Mayoralty for as long as I can remember…
    
    and although never being successful in politics.. he had a little victory against the MSM some years back.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/6844580/Serial-complainer-overturns-fee-for-excessive-complaints
    
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    September 17, 2023 10:39am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    ‘large scale immigration of Swedish girls’
    
    He’d have got my vote. And that of Maggie Pie – she’s always keen for the natural blondes.
    
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    September 17, 2023 4:09pm
Matt Long

So, not so much no evidence of election fraud in Georgia as judge unwilling to test evidence in court, “it has no standing”, despite being ordered to by Georgia Supreme Court, “yes it does have standing”.
https://twitter.com/Rach_IC/status/1702811901254836275
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September 17, 2023 8:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  So a Court Judge can do as they wish and not listen to the Supreme Court?
  Democrat, bet your bottom dollar. Anything to block Trump.
  
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  September 17, 2023 9:09am
Damocles11

The only way to starve progressive journalists of funding is to ensure that we don’t put money in their pockets. Pretty easy to get information these days without paying for it. There are plenty of free sites supplying the exact same stuff that jumped-up NZ media calls ‘Premium’. Why would I pay good money to look at putrid Emmerson cartoons and the left wing garbage that Simon Wilson produces? If you are buying the physical newspapers or paid subscriptions of media companies that you know are working against the democratic, economic, and societal interests of this country then you are ‘funding the enemy’. This is an existential crisis: please don’t fund the people who wish to destroy us!
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September 17, 2023 8:58am
- Colville
  
  Damocles.
  It’s the taxpayer funded advertising that needs to stop.
  That is the cash cow buys friendly media.
  Over the Covid years it would have been tens of millions.
  
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  September 17, 2023 9:32am
- ClanMcleod
  
  There are a number of ways to bypass these paywalls. Like you, I refuse to give them oxygen.
  
  I am not being miserable, I pay to subscribe to those who write genuine news and do real journalism. I pay as much per year to do this as I used to pay annually for the Herald and a few other publications.
  
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  September 17, 2023 10:02am
Jack5

Whoops and sorry, I initially posted this in the wrong thread.

Do NZ hospitals and other emergency services still use private-network based pager systems?

Spark shut down a national pager network in 2017 seemingly on the ground pagers were obsolescent and could be replaced by cellphones.

In this Youtube video club an American hospital doctor explains why pagers are still preferred to smart phones:

https://youtu.be/uAwW9arTxGo?si=9QzczzEFma_3FfTh
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September 17, 2023 9:07am
- bennerg
  
  There is often a tendency for modern technology to be supercede existing products and services, just because it is new. I refer to it as the “seduction of new technology”.
  
  Paging is one good example of one technology that has stood the test of time, and retains an inherent advantage. Spark had to retire their NZ system as it had not been updated over the years, and many of it’s component systems were quite antiquated (I believe it still used a PDP-11 computer at it’s core – those in the know will understand the significance), and yet it was the technology of choice for the Fire Services and as mentioned in the video above, hospitals. Newer systems have replaced the old one, albeit perhaps with only targeted use, but the paging technology is still far more reliable, and accesses way more coverage than cell technology can ever.
  
  In my earlier Opinion Piece here on KB I wrote about the emergency alerting systems in use in NZ, and how the Government went all out for using cell phones rather than the more reliable radio based systems (TSUNADO).
  
  It is evident that much of the decision making is based on superficial perception of what is best. ie New = better. Sadly this premise is false, as many of the older technologies really do stand the test of time, and retain their relevance, albeit unappeciated. IMHO Simpler = better. Especially in critical systems.
  
  Modern systems are very complex. eg. when you send an email, the delivery requires a multitude of devices to work correctly, many based on off shore systems. In challenging times, it just requires one of these many systems to go down and it all fails.
  
  As with many aspects of our society, the decision are made by bureaucrats being “advised” by their major suppliers. Whether that be in communications, health, or computing, we have to be aware of the process by which these decisions are made. Often not in the public interest, and out of the public eye.
  
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  September 17, 2023 11:33am
  - cmm
    
    There are many things that contribute to “better”.
    As a technologist myself ( ie a developer of technology) I do agree there is often far too much emphasis on “oooh shiny” and silver bullet thinking.
    
    But I think theexample you mention of using radio based emergency alerts is wrong.
    
    Sure a radio based link might be a bit more reliable than cell, but how many people have a radio turned on in their house, or an emergency equipped radio that turns itself on when it hears the tones? Cellphones and cellphone towers are ubiquitous. They are extremely reliable.
    If one tower falls over then phones immediately switch over to another tower and most phones are tracking the datastreams from multiple towers simultaneously.
    In this case, phones win by a mile.
    
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    September 17, 2023 12:12pm
    - bennerg
      
      cmm, we must “meet up” sometime -much to chat about.
      
      For the cost of the cell tower upgrades to make cell broadcasting work, the govt could have installed at an alert radio in each household – certainly in the most vulnerable regions. Instead the mobile networks got their 4G upgrade (included) for free.
      
      The experience is that in a major disaster, generally all towers go down – it is a combination of power and communications links – fibre is very delicate. There’s also a factor that even if a remote tower is still operating, the power consumption on the phone goes way up to maintain communication. And as you know that happens even if the phone is not in use.
      
      Sadly the real world experience is that phones actually do not win by a mile, as was shown in Cyclone Gabrielle (hence a govt commission being created) and in Maui where it was shown that the cyclone cut out power, then some hours later the fires started. Both towers and phones by that time, for the most, ceased to work.
      
      The video above about pagers raised a very good point about battery power. The Tsunado alert radios use a similar regime to last up to 5 days without external charging. It’s all those little things that when added up, make it part of a total package – not a replacement for cell technology or even sirens, but a complementary unit – as originally specified by MCDEM.
      
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      September 17, 2023 2:39pm
- cmm
  
  Chch hospital uses a pager/comms system that looks like it is based on WiFi. Pretty nifty units that allow 2 way voice messaging, voice dialing etc.
  While you certainly want something that does not use the cell phone system (or uses it as little as possible) old school pagers are pretty limited.
  
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  September 17, 2023 12:00pm
  - bennerg
    
    cmm said “old school pagers are pretty limited”.
    
    The problem with all the technologies that are ‘fancier” is that the basic function of connectivity seems to lower with the increase in sophistication of the technology. eg. 5G means higher data rates but requires way more cell towers as the coverage is less.
    
    As a student I worked as a porter at a hospital, and we had a pager to man the “crash cart” – a defib unit in the days when they only had one or two for the whole hospital. The pagers worked everywhere. Right in the basement, and the morgue well away from the hospital.
    
    As the video above shows, the users prefer the pager units – the batteries last for 2 – 4 weeks, not hours, and are simple to operate, sit snugly on your belt, so not left places.
    
    Pagers are not a replacement for these modern devices, but are still complementary.
    
    This site says it best:
    
    https://pagersdirect.net/pages/why-are-millions-of-pagers-still-in-use
    
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    September 17, 2023 12:19pm
Tony Stuart

Shanan Halbert is at it again. This time, he has erected signs on Kaianga Ora properties, in contravention of KO’s rules and of the generally accepted notion of public service neutrality. For him, the gravy train will leave the station for the final time on October 14th, and it can’t come soon enough!

Camryn Brown @camrynpetebrown
Come on, @shananhalbert, it’s time to get these down. We gave your campaign a heads up last month. @KaingaOraGovtNZ does not give permission to put hoardings on their property & KO tenants can only consent for single dwelling properties not shared fences. #nzpol @ElectoralCommNZ

https://twitter.com/camrynpetebrown/status/1702874395365240833

Halbert obviously operates on a “Rules for thee, not for me” basis!
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September 17, 2023 9:09am
- kisekiman
  
  Get Tim Van Molen down there to tear them down with his bare hands.
  
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  September 17, 2023 10:23am
blue collar

Warriors smashed em bro !!

We are deadset gonna annihilate those bronco shagging , Queensland puffs next week .

Bring on the grand final !
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September 17, 2023 9:09am
- thirteenstars
  
  40-10. Killer opening quarter. Staunch defence then lots of nails into Newcastle’s coffin.
  
  Highlights:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfzUChDwLW0
  
  Newcastle and Warriors were a close match-up but the home ground advantage was huge. Tough ask in Brisbane next week and likewise the head-to-head is very close:
  
  https://www.warriors.kiwi/draw/nrl-premiership/2023/finals-week-3-broncos-v-warriors/
  
  But Brisbane have the home advantage. Kickoff is 10pm, Saturday.
  
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  September 17, 2023 11:07am
- ProtectBabiesFromPredators
  
  Coaching! Go the All Blacks! Fosters is the new Bud Light!
  
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  September 17, 2023 7:48pm
Benedict Yu

Overnight New Zealand time, Kellie Jay Keen held an event in Dublin.

https://www.thejournal.ie/trans-rights-protests-dublin-6170417-Sep2023/

There were several hundred opposing trans activists. The police had set up fencing to keep them apart and then lined up to ensure no breaches of those barriers. The event was incident free.

It only New Zealand police could act as professionally. ☹️

BTW I recommend that readers watch the short speech by the young gay woman at the 57:00 time mark.

https://www.youtube.com/live/wV8uTh1Pq7s?si=9H6yTEtTQgKFbm6J
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September 17, 2023 9:10am
- Matt Long
  
  It’s interesting that Stand Up for Women reportedly refused to work with Tamaki’s protest group. They would have had plenty of muscle on hand for protection if they did.
  They would have missed out on what would have amounted to millions of dollars in publicity though.
  
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  September 17, 2023 9:28am
  - ProtectBabiesFromPredators
    
    I like Tamaki, he is low key and legitimizes being hard, macho and loving with very hard men who are never committing offences. Never a Tamaki Church member in high profile criminal cases. Yes, ATM in the lobby. Yes, Hannah Tamaki is feared after almost taking over the Maori Woman’s Welfare League. But Yes, Tamaki Brian and Hannah are a force for good for Maori, and they are hammered for that.
    
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    September 17, 2023 7:53pm
- Matt Long
  
  If you are wondering about the police response at Albert Park, the explanation could be the Officer in charge was a trans and director of Auckland pride according to this tweet.
  https://twitter.com/PatriotNz2022/status/1703003835780964719
  
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  September 17, 2023 9:54am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Wow. This is bullshit. This is unbelievable.
    
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    September 17, 2023 10:16am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    They have it wrong. The trans woman police officer was in charge of liaising with the trans activist protesters. It is unclear what this liason involved
    
    The Police officer in charge of policing the event was Inspector Siaosi (George) Fa’alogo. After the event concluded he received a ‘job well done’ email from the Auckland area commander.
    
    The limited release of the police emails has not shed much light to be honest. There are still two different explanations for the disaster.
    
    1. Police intelligence was wrong. They grossly underestimated the numbers of activists and the potential for violence.
    
    2. Police intelligence did reveal the potential for violence and was deliberately ignored.
    
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    September 17, 2023 10:17am
    - mtamati
      
      “The Police officer in charge of policing the event was Inspector Siaosi (George) Fa’alogo. After the event concluded he received a ‘job well done’ email from the Auckland area commander.”
      
      “Inspector Dean Murray Clifford and Detective Inspector David de Lange of the Eastern police district, and former Inspector Siaosi Fa’alogo of the Wellington police district were recognised as Members of The New Zealand Order of Merit MNZM for services to the New Zealand Police and the community.” 06/06/22 https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/468594/three-police-stalwarts-honoured-in-queen-s-birthday-list
      
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      September 17, 2023 9:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Joe might be getting his beans, and not before time.
He has been lying to America for nearly 50 years!

https://buzzbombmedia.com/2023/09/16/house-speaker-ready-to-file-for-bidens-impeachment/?ocxfa_tag=political
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September 17, 2023 9:11am
blue collar

Luxon must be laughing his head off .
Labour are clueless , destroyed from within , its creaking carcass about to disintegrate.

He doesn’t hv to do a damned thing .
He could go to bed for a month
The election is in the bag

Nats 44%
ACT 21%
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September 17, 2023 9:20am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is unwise to adopt such a stance a month out from an election, even more so with MMP.
  
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  September 17, 2023 9:47am
- Vinicius
  
  The polls are just an indication during a point of time and can reveal ongoing trends but nothing matters until the actual votes are cast and counted.
  
  There have been numerous times when in NZ and elsewhere where the polls have been inaccurate.
  
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  September 17, 2023 10:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Keep an eye on the counters. Labour are desperate.
    
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    September 17, 2023 12:31pm
- Cassandra
  
  Wouldn’t it be great, blue, but slow down, mate, a month to go.
  
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  September 17, 2023 11:41am
- DeepBlue
  
  Remember how MSM got all excited reporting Luxon’s target of 45% Party Vote accidentally left up on the visuals when they were let into the National Party Conference. I smiled then. Best trick in the book.
  
  Luxon will soon be chanting ‘Let’s get 45’.
  
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  September 17, 2023 5:09pm
Warren

You should reframe that Statement Benedict as it is not those on the front line of our Police Force that don’t act professionally, it’s those that sit in the office and distribute the orders for those to inforce the law like our Commissioner that are unprofessional, you could also include Police Minister Ginny Anderson in that also.
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September 17, 2023 9:23am
- Keith White
  
  The Front Line police were the highly visible and enthusiastic enforcers of the protest-smashing at the Sewerhive, of the great gun grab, of the apartheid road blocks, of the imprisonment of returning citizens in the poxhotels, of ignoring if not facilitating attacks on Posie Parker, and so on. If their actions are considered ‘professional’ then, well, the term has been very much redefined.
  
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  September 17, 2023 9:52am
  - kowtow
    
    I recall a story in te media of the morning of the major police raid on the peaceful folk.
    
    It stated that a photographer who was woith the journo photoed the many police cars ie the build up to the operation and a senior sgrt saw them and ordered the photographer to delete the photos in front of him.
    Which he did , oddly cos I’d have thought he didn’t have to.
    
    Anyway this was reported in msm but in light of the dramatic events of that day , completelky lost .
    
    And no doubt everyone would have been happy for that to be “lost” as there was only one group of bad people there . The river of filth.
    
    Innit.
    
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    September 17, 2023 2:45pm
- Paulus
  
  I see Ginny Anderson is tipped to be in the running for the next Parliamentary Labour Party head when Chippy runs, before being thrown very shortly.
  Labour need another woman to more of the votes back. Currently nearly all woman according to poll analysis who would love Ardern back.
  
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  September 17, 2023 11:17am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Ardern will never come back. She has been called out on her lies – and she never says ‘sorry.’
    
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    September 17, 2023 12:37pm
    - Damocles11
      
      It was always the plan for her to follow the Helen Clark route & become a global Leftist instrument. She is destined for a career at the UN and with Left-wing global think tanks. It was crucial to her branding that she bail out while New Zealand was not obviously in deep doo doo. As soon as house prices started to fall it was obvious it was time for her to depart from Parliamentary politics, and she has basically washed her hands of us of us all and is away laughing.
      
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      September 17, 2023 3:35pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Laughing with a shitload of a deal with “Safe and Effective” from Pfizer?
        TTFN. Ta ta for now.
        
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        September 17, 2023 5:57pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Ginny ain’t no Jaxxie.
    
    Just sayin’.
    
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    September 17, 2023 4:16pm
- cmm
  
  The front line cops are ineffective.
  This might not be their personal faults – their hands are tied from above, but nevertheless they are ineffective.
  
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  September 17, 2023 12:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Ode for Baron Luxon.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/an-ode-for-baron-luxon/ar-AA1gOVdF
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September 17, 2023 9:30am
imalwaysright

Watched Seymour on Tame this morning .

Getting rid of candidates because they don’t worship Pfizer is why he isn’t on 20% plus.

85% of people won’t vote for him yet he is trying to appeal to the minority who are still scared of getting a cold.

How about listening to the majority who don’t believe the scam.
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September 17, 2023 9:30am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I think that it is the idea that the scam is exposed for what it is that is terrifying to Seymour and his supporters, not the virus itself.
  The longer they do this, the less trusted they will be.
  
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  September 17, 2023 10:27am
  - mawm
    
    Clan – There must more to the issue.
    
    Did Jacinda get both Seymore and Luxon (and others?) to sign a non-disclosure agreement? What did they agree to not disclose?
    
    The funding for the Covid virus “gain of function” came essentially from DARPA (US military weapons development), USAID (a CIA front for funding their shenanigans) and Fauci who was overseeing the US biological warfare program (hence his large salary). Did the CIA through 5 eyes (so-called ex-CIA agents are working in NZ for 5 eyes) control Jacinda and her governments response? Will we ever know?
    
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    September 17, 2023 6:35pm
- Che Guava
  
  Every indication is that they think we are idiots and that we don’t know full well that Covid was the biggest and most far-reaching lie every imposed on so-called “free” societies across the globe. Seymour and Luxon can both f-off as far as I’m concerned. They are both stooges.
  
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  September 17, 2023 11:20am
  - Damocles11
    
    Winston can f-off. He put Queen Jacinda on her throne & he voted for lockdown and he was a part of the COL government cabal. I judge him on his actions and not the ‘sweet nothings’ that he coos to people who’ve been duped by him before and will no doubt be duped again.
    
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    September 17, 2023 4:16pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      As opposed to those who are duping us daily? Pssst, Luxon is a liar, Seymour is a liar, Hipkins is a liar, Peters is a liar. And as our minor parties are discovering, if you don’t the game you will be shut down and smeared.
      
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      September 17, 2023 5:38pm
Maggie Pie

The ‘Posie-Plot’ thickens….. 😎

https://twitter.com/LoiuseWArtist/status/1702784053546799263

And as one of the girls at Mass said this morning….
“Where was Cuddles in this whole saga?”
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September 17, 2023 9:31am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  So how was the sky fairy this morning Mags? Did you pass on my regards?
  
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  September 17, 2023 9:36am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Not just yours Cap. We seek forgiveness for all sinners.
    Hell has a housing crisis.
    
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    September 17, 2023 9:42am
    - Keith White
      
      That’s because hell has open borders while heaven has a strict immigration policy and robust border control.
      
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      September 17, 2023 9:53am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Bit like the difference between Mt Roskill and Remuera 😀
        
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        September 17, 2023 10:22am
- lifesgood
  
  What a disgrace. That is definitely a woman who is so screwed up she doesn’t know whether she’s Arthur or Martha. How on earth could she be put in charge of anything? Honestly, what has our police force come to?
  
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  September 17, 2023 10:04am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That sheila is a bloke.
    
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    September 17, 2023 12:43pm
- Ghost
  
  Question would be why was a police prosecutor involved in this
  
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  September 17, 2023 10:12am
  - Keith White
    
    To ensure that nothing was recorded that could lead to a prosecution that the Blue Patched Gang’s boss and the Labour Patched Gang’s supervisors did not want to happen; while at the same time sending a message to people like Posie Parker that ‘the Rule of Law is not on your side’, and to the people against Posie Parker that ‘we’re on your side’.
    
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    September 17, 2023 10:19am
  - DimChappie
    
    Which police prosecutor? I can’t see one in the documents, can you?
    
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    September 17, 2023 5:26pm
    - Ghost
      
      Rhona Stace is a police prosecutor
      
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      September 17, 2023 5:36pm
- DimChappie
  
  One correction: the link says the tranny Rhona Stace oversaw the police operation but that is not stated in the police documents. She did provide info about the protesters in an email.
  
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  September 17, 2023 5:16pm
Ghost

Damn

YouTube

7,000 people arrived on the Italian island of Lampedusa in small boats – in just three days.

The island is home to only 6,000 people – and only has space for an additional 400.

The Italian deputy prime minister has described the situation as an “act of war”.
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September 17, 2023 9:40am
- kisekiman
  
  That is simply mind blowing. I Wonder if Marc Ellis is having second thoughts about emigrating to Italy.
  
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  September 17, 2023 10:36am
- PeeJay
  
  Interesting response from the French and Germans – start heavily policing their “open” borders to turn back the economic migrants.
  
  If you look on the maps, you can see why Lampedusa is such a target – 130km from the Tunisian coast, easily done on a flat sea.
  
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  September 17, 2023 10:43am
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300972346/getting-ready-with-chle-swarbrick-as-the-mp-turns-drag-king-on-the-campaign-trail
Dear God: is this really a taxpayer-funded MP ?
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September 17, 2023 9:49am
Ghost

Appears the ‘victims’ have gone to the media instead of the police

British comedian Russell Brand has been accused of rape, sexual assaults and emotional abuse by four women who spoke to an English newspaper.

The claims were made in The Sunday Times and will also feature in a Channel 4 programme where allegations of Brand’s behaviour were also investigated

Article
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September 17, 2023 9:51am
- kisekiman
  
  Brand was obnoxious lefty who in recent years seems to have seen the light and become something of a truth teller. So he probably needs to be taken down via the usual methods of cancellation.
  
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  September 17, 2023 10:39am
- NothingLeft
  
  Status obsessed women see opportunity to cash in on their youthful partying and caculated efforts to fuck their way to fame. They’ll score points and brief attentions of left as they act as cat paws for whatever shadowy malignant group is organizing this coordinated effort to take down a heretic.
  
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  September 17, 2023 12:00pm
  - Matt Long
    
    Is Christine Blasey Ford one of the accusers?
    
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    September 17, 2023 12:18pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  A clear signal to read or listen to anything he has said in the last 6 months or so, it is undoubtedly the truth and he is annoying the actual perpetrators of crimes against all of us.
  
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  September 17, 2023 11:47pm
Damocles11

A few nights ago a distraught Bernard Hickey was on One News stating that the election of a National lead government could lead to a 20% increase in house prices (where did he pull this number from?)

I can just imagine Bob and June Kiwi sitting on the couch high-fiving each other and say “Yes, no more negative equity! We can finally sell this place! Two ticks blue!”

The media are currently scaremongering voters about the horrible prospect of a National government delivering tax cuts and a buoyant property market.
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September 17, 2023 9:58am
- Littletramp
  
  The choice in this election is quite easy – do you want a country seeking equality of outcome (Labour/Greens) or equality of opportunity (National/NZ First/Act).
  It gets a little bit harder choosing between Luxon, Seymour or Winston on the finer detail when placing your party vote.
  
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  September 17, 2023 10:12am
  - kowtow
    
    Please leave NZF and Peters out of that equation.
    
    That man is only interested in his own opportunities and outcomes .
    
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    September 17, 2023 2:53pm
  - Damocles11
    
    You were doing great until you mentioned that charlatan Winston, the fool who put Jacinda up on her throne.
    
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    September 17, 2023 4:27pm
- kiwikidsnz
  
  I’ve wondered over the last couple of weeks whether the MSMs blatant Labour bias isn’t partly a “what’s in it for me” response to the possibility of a NACT government.
  
  As well as their institutionalised left favoritism there seems a real fear that the well of propaganda funding could end very quickly after Oct 14th; no one has said it out loud however I would expect some right minded people with long memories to consider it a justified payback time (for eg the PIJF disgrace)
  
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  September 17, 2023 10:18am
  - septic skeptic
    
    If Nat/Act don’t cut the msm adrift in the first 100 days I’ll be disappointed.
    
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    September 17, 2023 12:14pm
    - Damocles11
      
      Imagine if young progressive journo’s and smug hateful cartoonists had to go out and get a real job. I’d be playing the worlds smallest violin for then.
      
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      September 17, 2023 12:39pm
    - miltonF
      
      Prepare to be disappointed.
      
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      September 17, 2023 4:15pm
- Paulus
  
  Something like 65% of houses are totally freehold (mortgage free) so any owner will say thank you Ardern.
  
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  September 17, 2023 11:21am
  - MCōs
    
    More like 33% according to OneRoof
    Furthermore
    Only about 4% of all houses are sold annually so what does it matter?
    
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    September 17, 2023 3:26pm
Gravelroad

Had to have a bit of a laugh at the reported claims made at a recent meet the candidates gathering (Kaikoura electorate) by the Labour Party hopeful.
Whilst introducing herself to the meeting she informed those assembled that she had “Cabinet potential”.
Wowser.
This is the young woman (who says she is a great admirer of Jacinda) who randomly answered a Labour Party advert seeking somebody to stand. Then she claimed she had close links to the farmers.
Can’t fault her for confidence I guess.
Let’s do this.
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September 17, 2023 10:10am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

I wonder if Labour are listening yet, or are they so pig-headed they will still push Co-Governance and 3 Waters? It will cost them dearly.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/christchurch-street-march-an-outstanding-success/

Julian had a personal bodyguard. I have said he needs one for some time now.
There are some very unhinged protesters out there, the bullies and thugs. It was bad enough at Orewa.
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September 17, 2023 10:20am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  3 videos to watch. This Stop Co-Governance movement is getting bigger and bigger every day. Julian has woken a lot of people up to the division in NZ. We don’t want Apartheid here.
  My Grandfather came to NZ from South Africa before WW1 to get away from Apartheid. He gave away his animal stock and walked off the land. That is how serious this could get. Unfortunately he died before I was born.
  
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  September 17, 2023 10:31am
  - wsk12345
    
    Did they even promote it? I read their blog posts every day and didn’t even know this was happening!
    
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    September 17, 2023 2:43pm
  - mawm
    
    Apartheid did not exist before WW1. That was introduced by the National Party government starting in 1948. However black African voters were unable to vote following legislation instituted by Westminster when the Union was formed in 1910. The main pillars of Apartheid were introduced into law by the Malan government following their win in 1948. These were things such as the Group Areas Act (1950) which determined where you could live, the Mixed Marriages Act (1949) and the Immorality Act which decided who you could marry or have sex with and the Separate Amenities Act which determined where you could pee, eat, swim, etc.
    
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    September 17, 2023 6:58pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The black were stealing his animals and produce. The division was there before WW1
      
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      September 18, 2023 8:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If I wanted New Zealand to fail:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8RyJs-QQ5c&t=97s
  
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  September 17, 2023 10:36am
Maggie Pie

It’s no wonder Russell Brand has suddenly been accused of ‘sexual assault’ 🙁

Here’s why….

https://twitter.com/LangmanVince/status/1703129460487180344
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September 17, 2023 10:34am
- kevn
  
  Maggie… Nothing surer, I’m amazed it took this long to pin something on him. Deep digging.
  
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  September 17, 2023 11:35am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Revealling who was organising this hit would probably be a bigger story with wider interest than whatever the allegations against Brand are.
    
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    September 17, 2023 12:11pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The Stop Co-Governance Tour. 3 more street marches. I wonder if Auckland Council will get unruly?

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/2023-nz-stop-co-governance-tour/
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September 17, 2023 10:42am
Yvette

While Labour and the media are making National’s election campaign faulter over the numbers in taxing expensive houses sold to foreigners, we are still supposed to accept Labour’s projected Three Waters costings of $120b – $185 billion to justify the reforms they proposed and have actually passed into law – that is a $65 billion gap, whereas the shortfall claimed on National’s released figures, is a portion of $740 million.

Labour’s figures with their $65 billion gap was to allow enterties to borrow more, so is the fact that although 3 entities are now split into 9, and the remaining Auckland / Northland entity, the largest one, is unchanged, to still provide that borrowing power, or is it to allow Tuku Morgan, out of his Tainui / Waikato region, to preside over a bigger area?
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September 17, 2023 10:49am
- Ghost
  
  We shouldn’t accept anything, we should demand both sides provide their information. And we shouldn’t justify national by saying look what labour have done. We’ve been treated badly, lied to, mislead, manipulated by the labour government, so we should demand all parties front up with their information
  
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  September 17, 2023 10:52am
  - Yvette
    
    Ghost you are right
    We shouldn’t be treated badly, lied to, mislead, or manipulated by National as the Labour government has done.
    But it may take it a few more days for National to realise what a log slash-jam their tax detail is causing in their campaign.
    
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    September 17, 2023 12:28pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Questions.
What are the details around the power of Veto?
Have you noticed how rarely any co-governance discussion mentions or analyses the veto element of this issue?

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/questions-that-deserve-an-answer/
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September 17, 2023 10:58am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Kamala. One heartbeat away from the most powerful position in the World.

https://thepatrioticvoice.com/realloadednews/some-things-are-scarier-than-biden-harris-says-shes-ready-to-step-up/
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September 17, 2023 11:04am
artemisia

More annual leave, gender pay gaps, anything adding more costs and complexities to small businesses especially … I’ve already seen a move away from employees to independent contractors. And more will follow.

An example. Young tradie in the family worked until recently for a medium sized company. That company has now pretty much moved employees to independent contractors, with advice and support given. Along with encouragement, and in fact requirement, to take on other clients. Big learning curve for ours, but making good bucks and getting to grips with contracting. So unlikely to go back to wages.

Our family tradie firm, not that one, has no employees. We outsource to independent contractors and other small businesses as needed. Now our young tradie is a supplier as well.
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September 17, 2023 11:34am
- septic skeptic
  
  You have to be very careful that your contractors don’t get defined as de facto employees.
  
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  September 17, 2023 12:20pm
  - artemisia
    
    Yep, well aware and the original employer is as well. Young tradie has 4 new clients already, in 3 months, without even trying. Helps he is doing maintenance work, small to med jobs, be trickier if big new builds. (He’s a plumber / gasfitter.)
    
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    September 17, 2023 12:47pm
- GJM
  
  My company is the same. I swore i would never have staff, and I have never regretted it. Not worth the stress.
  I outsource to other contractors and some off shore
  
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  September 18, 2023 9:51pm
thirteenstars

Fitzy thinks perhaps Scotland, not Ireland, will make it out of Pool B along with South Africa:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABU3KA1_i_8

Well, SA only beat Scotland 18-3 and today Tonga managed to put 16 points up against Ireland despite the expected loss, so maybe he’s got a point.

SA play Ireland on the 24th. A loss there for Ireland will not prevent them advancing but two weeks later on the 8th they play Scotland which will decide the runner-up from Pool B. That’ll be a good game.
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September 17, 2023 12:22pm
Hugh Jarse

So,Labour are promising to boost wages further, standing by for the interrogation from the media of how this will happen, when, how much it will cost, will it be inflationary etc etc.
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September 17, 2023 12:36pm
Bridgenag

Anyone know where Krazikiwi is?
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September 17, 2023 1:12pm
- wsk12345
  
  No but was wondering same thing the other day. Was he having surgery?
  
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  September 17, 2023 2:47pm
Truman lodge

I see shaneel lal of them/they fame has written an opinion piece in the herald today ripping into National and Luxon over their tax policy.

It just shows you that They/Them is a marxist first and LGBTQI advocate second.
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September 17, 2023 2:04pm
Damocles11

hipkins just announced that there will be a new breast cancer screening programme costing $48 million over four years. ‘Labour says it will be funded from within the $1.43 billion per annum ‘set aside’ for health sector cost pressures in the Budget.’
This c-rap about billions of dollars ‘saved’ or ‘set aside’ or ‘in a fund’….it’s all a load of nonsense. This is all borrowed money that Labour treat not as taxpayer funds but as slush funds, it’s a gigantic and boundless slush fund to be used to fund its endless bribes and giveaways. No media questions are ever asked. Anything hipkins or Robertson says is immediately treated as gospel truth. It is absolutely disgusting!

[Mod – corrected names, use proper names in the future]
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September 17, 2023 2:25pm
- ProtectBabiesFromPredators
  
  The current Breast Screening Program covers all Woman.
  
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  September 17, 2023 9:20pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Roadblocks disrupting traffic.
Well there is only one way to stop this. Triple down on the penalties. Sure these rent=a-mob fuckwits have the right to protest, so do your protest on the side of the road. You will gain much more respect. At the moment you are viewed as scumbags.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/another-day-another-roadblock-how-should-nz-law-deal-with-disruptive-climate-protests/ar-AA1gPc8C
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September 17, 2023 2:56pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Act wants Treaty of Waitangi referendum.
National doesn’t support the referendum idea. Come on you guys, the Waitangi Tribunal Treaty version is a fraud. Show me in the original Treaty written in Maori, and the Littlewood Draft where it says “Forestries and Fisheries” You can’t, because it is not there.
Sir Hugh Kawharu added this in 1975. Then further tampering in 1989 from none other than Sir Geoffrey Palmer.
“ACT proposes to legislate the principles of the treaty “based on what the treaty actually says”. The legislation would then go to the public to ratify.”
No! The Waitangi Tribunal Act needs to be rescinded.

“One of the big things is that ACT wants to redefine the principles of Te Tiriti o Waitangi. Māori have always been firm and adamant about rangatiratanga as important to them and there’s no place for rangatiratanga under a National-ACT government – and that’s a real fear.” ALWAYS – since 1975. Thet is more than one generation of having lies pumped into their heads.

Link within a link here.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/act-hammers-home-treaty-referendum-pledge-at-campaign-launch/ar-AA1gP9Qe
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September 17, 2023 3:21pm
- thirteenstars
  
  The embedded link:
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/496330/luxon-disavows-act-zero-carbon-treaty-of-waitangi-policies
  
  “Labour’s Willie Jackson said ACT’s leader David Seymour was “going down the same way as Trump” by trying to overturn principles entrenched by New Zealand’s top legal experts and successive Labour and National prime ministers.”
  
  Tough. In the Westminster system Parliament is the highest court in the land. It makes the laws and it can make law that prevents judicial activism, and if woke judges want to try it on then parliament can make new law to prevent that, too.
  
  What’s needed is grit and deep desire, qualities I don’t think Luxon has except for perhaps the international death pact of Net Zero.
  
  That said, it *is* a dodgy thing to enshrine Treaty principles in law since there are actually no principles save what is imputed to the original text, and that’s because one wrong word or statement in such legislation could open a Pandora’s box of dangerous misinterpretations.
  
  It’s a damn shame that NZF and ACT are at loggerheads otherwise they’d be able to form a powerful block to steady National’s shaky hand on these matters. The upshot is that National hates Peters’ guts more than they do Seymour’s.
  
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  September 17, 2023 4:47pm
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  Yes, this is a critical difference between ACT and the Nats. I disagree strongly with some of ACT’s policies, but if you party-vote Nats, know that you are voting for the status quo. Is that what you want?
  
  Down-voters on Otto’s comment – I’d like to hear your rationale.
  
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  September 18, 2023 11:56am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I know where this is in Anchorage, Alaska.
Going a roundabout anti-clockwise is just not on! Auckland Council and Waka Coathanger take note of the roads. This is in a City of less than 300,000 and 730,000 in all of Alaska.

https://www.adn.com/visual/photos/2023/09/07/photos-best-of-september-2023/
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September 17, 2023 4:07pm
- emmess
  
  Not disputing your overall point
  But there are roads of that quality in and around Christchurch, Wellington, Hamilton and Tauranga, all slightly larger or smaller than 300k
  
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  September 17, 2023 5:49pm
Chuck Bird

I was at the Act Party Launch.

It was disrupted. The police were outside the venue.

They were asked for assistance to remove the person.

They declined. It was difficult to remove this person and could have resulted in injury to him or Act members at the launch.

The police refused to do their job as at the Posie Parker event.

I think if there was a disrupter at a Labour Party event where the leader was talking and the police were asked to remove the person they would have.

If you agree with me thumbs up.
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September 17, 2023 5:52pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Did I hear that lifetime Labour Supporter, Katie Bradford, on the Tv 1 news this evening make some personal remark about the “opulent” staircase that Seymour was walking up at the venue?
  She just can’t help herself, can she.
  I bet she’s been up a few opulent staircases herself when it suited, but how terrible of ACT to use one .
  Her bias is boring.
  
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  September 17, 2023 6:23pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I saw that as well Gravz!
    Was she the one alleged to have had a fling with David Cunnliffe?
    That’s what my partner’s mum reckoned anyway.
    
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    September 17, 2023 7:28pm
    - ProtectBabiesFromPredators
      
      Inside my Mansion on the way to the Peak, we were accosted by a Hollywood type with her film crew for permission to film our environs for the upcoming Jason Bourne epic. Of course, we said yes.
      
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      September 17, 2023 9:25pm
- emmess
  
  They did remove the Freedoms NZ supporters who protested the Labour Party launch.
  
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  September 17, 2023 6:24pm
  - Ghost
    
    Security escorted them out of the Labour Party launch.
    
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    September 17, 2023 6:37pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/132920577/defending-npc-champions-wellington-stay-unbeaten-with-tough-win-over-bay-of-plenty
Remember the fans’ song from 1978 when Wellington were all-conquering?
“We are the champions”.
and in 1981
“Another one bites the dust !”
Ah: those were the days…
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September 17, 2023 6:54pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Dear..

Jacinda Ardern being hassled in Canada..

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/jacinda-ardern-heckled-on-canadian-streets-during-her-visit-for-global-action-summit/YBQ4WNEC2VCUJJTG5R644DAXJE/
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