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Benedict Yu

Kellie Jay Keen was scheduled to return to New Zealand next week.

It is all off. She explains that her husband and children asked her to cancel the trip because they feared for her safety in New Zealand.

https://www.youtube.com/live/bjjnfkJighc?si=Lsa_nCmAj5MD1qcq

I am not surprised.
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September 16, 2023 8:00am
- Flossie
  
  We should be embarrassed that our country is now considered a place that visitors cannot feel safe in.
  
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  September 16, 2023 8:05am
  - Mr Nobody NZ
    
    Why should visitors to New.Zealand feel any different to the majority of its own citizens?
    
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    September 16, 2023 10:16am
  - Ghost
    
    Now? Tourists have been robbed, assaulted, raped and murdered in NZ.
    
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    September 16, 2023 10:20am
- Cassandra
  
  Great pity. Another blow to the rule of law in NZ and an indictment of our slack police. And our society where mob rule has triumphed.
  
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  September 16, 2023 8:06am
  - pdm
    
    Thugs veto!!!
    
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    September 16, 2023 9:45am
- SmokerGuy
  
  Another win for the feral anti free speech movement. What has this country become???? I don’t agree with a lot of her views but if these people are allowed to pick and choose who everyone is allowed to listen to, what kind of society is that to live in?
  
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  September 16, 2023 8:13am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Smokerguy – With our legacy media reporting nothing of what KJK says you would be hard pressed to know whether you disagree or agree with her views.
    
    4 most frequent things that I have heard KJK say are:
    1. Women don’t have penises
    2. Men should not be allowed in women’s only spaces (changing rooms, single sex toilets, prisons etc)
    3. Men should not be allowed to play in women’s sport
    4. Children should be protected from pharmaceutical and/or physical mutilation
    
    Which of these views do you disagree with? What other views does she espouse that you disagree with?
    
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    September 16, 2023 10:51am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      And you may be surprised or perhaps disturbed to know that the media council – ie a self-policing body of legacy media members – found no faults with the media’s coverage of the KJK visit despite 16 complaints being laid. I have attached some snippets and a link to an article on this.
      
      The fact the media can froth up the mob over nine days by only giving a voice to one side of a story and claim that nine days isn’t a sufficient timeframe over which to judge balance just highlights how corrupt the media council is. Time to appoint an independent body to hold media to account!
      
      “Regulators dismiss 16 of 16 complaints over media reporting of the visit of anti-trans activist Posie Parker…
      
      … a complaint by Natasha Hamilton-Hart against the Herald which cited 50 articles over a period of nine days around the Parker visit, said it was “disappointing” that while 15 opinion pieces ran in the paper and its site, it was “unable or unwilling to find someone to wrestle with the issues raised by the complainant”.
      
      It did not uphold the Hamilton-Hart case because Media Council principles allowed for fairness over a longer time frame – and nine days was “not sufficient time to judge the Herald as failing in this matter”.
      
      https://www.newsroom.co.nz/nz-media-cleared-in-posie-parker-coverage?amp=1
      
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      September 16, 2023 11:03am
- hullkiwi
  
  I was going to post.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/posie-parker-pulls-out-of-nz-trip-blames-fears-for-her-safety/2XLGGALHBNBRFOXXHIVJIDETZE/#:~:text=British%20anti%2Dtrans%20activist%20Posie,and%20authorities%20to%20protect%20her.
  
  NZ has become a sad country in which a woman who has not broken any laws, cannot feel safe. All because a bunch of men are threatened by w chat she says.
  
  Also, so much for free speech in NZ.
  
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  September 16, 2023 8:15am
- Opie
  
  This country is an absolute disgrace
  
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  September 16, 2023 8:17am
- Gravelroad
  
  So the let’s cancel women activists will be partying in Queen St today.
  I am sure Mr Hipkins and his fellow travellers will be relieved.
  Bye bye free speech in NZ.
  
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  September 16, 2023 8:19am
  - pdm
    
    Gravel – some of Hipkins mob and the Greens will be joining in.
    
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    September 16, 2023 9:47am
- ClanMcleod
  
  What a tragic reflection of what NZ is turning into. An intolerant and dangerous place to live.
  
  I never dreamed this would happen in my lifetime. It’s a sad train wreck that hopefully can be slowed by the next government, however it is made up.
  
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  September 16, 2023 8:35am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    This is what she was facing. I have no doubt at all that she would have been risking her life had she come to New Zealand next week.
    
    https://twitter.com/shaneellall/status/1702658570477817901?t=a58eV475EBBQRR0_ocrUOg&s=19
    
    Shaneel Lal
    
    “Posie Parker cancels trip to New Zealand saying “I just can’t do it”. Stay away from our shores, you fascist TERF.”
    
    “I am so proud of New Zealanders for establishing a reputation that has led to TERFs supported by Nazis to say “I don’t trust” New Zealanders. I am proud that TERFs and Nazis look at us and see us as a threat. We did well.”
    
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    September 16, 2023 8:39am
    - Gravelroad
      
      So who exactly are the “nazis” as identified by our heroic young New Zealander of the Year, Mr Lal?
      Ok for him to enact and be protected for his right to free speech – but not others apparently.
      
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      September 16, 2023 8:49am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        [Mod – don’t put threats against other people on this blog]
        
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        September 16, 2023 8:57am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        It is a reference to the supposed neo Nazis who hijacked her event in Melbourne.
        
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        September 16, 2023 8:58am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I actually find that guy horrifying. The irony of him complaining about “nazis” 🤯
        
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        September 16, 2023 9:02am
      - Che Guava
        
        How are so-called “Nazis” relevant in 2023? Why are we expected to believe that the world revolves around 1930s Germany? I suppose it must take the focus off how the world is in 2023 and why it is so.
        
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        September 16, 2023 9:04am
      - imalwaysright
        
        B.Y
        The Melbourne activists looked like extras from the sound of music .
        All in matching uniforms , just like a school play, and all in practiced lockstep.
        The Aussie SIS blew their costume budget for the year on that day alone.
        
        This is a sad day for everyone.
        
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        September 16, 2023 9:10am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        His title should be changed to “Most Dangerous NZer of the Year” – he’s an out and out fascist.
        
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        September 16, 2023 9:15am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Lal fails to understand that under a true Nazi regime, he would be first up against the wall.
        
        I suspect the same would be true under a Marxist regime. A useful idiot, to be discarded as a deviant once the revolution is complete.
        
        Lal does not see that his best life comes under a liberal democracy.
        
        He really is stupid.
        
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        September 16, 2023 9:33am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I should have worded that differently so as not to be a threat.
        Apologies.
        
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        September 16, 2023 10:38am
      - Jack5
        
        Shame on Canterbury University for making Lal its “Young New Zealander of the Year” for 2023.
        
        Shame inevitably rubs off, too, on Kiwibank, overall sponsor of the 2023 New Zealander of the Year awards.
        
        Kiwibank’s own, overall, New Zealander of the Year award was to Rangi Matamua, described on Wikipedia as “professor of matauranga Maori at Massey University’s Te Putahi-a-Toi School of Maori Knowledge.”
        
        Matauranga Maori translates as traditional Maori knowledge.
        
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        September 16, 2023 5:24pm
    - kevn
      
      BY…hipkins certainly has some great pals.
      
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      September 16, 2023 9:13am
    - Tomtoddy
      
      This nasty piece of work is considered sufficiently moral and decent to have a weekly slot in our main newspaper. The contributions are light-weight, pernicious dribble that no media with a shred of respectability would entertain.
      
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      September 16, 2023 9:23am
      - Gravelroad
        
        I had two uncles (brothers) killed during WW2 by actual Nazis.
        This caused absolute devastation for the family, particularly their mother and sister who never really fully recovered.
        Mr Lal needs to pull his head in and get over himself.
        I don’t imagine for a minute that Lal would put himself in any danger for anyone other than his own activist associates whose lives seem to revolve totally around sexual orientation.
        That he feels entitled to compare today’s men and women as Nazis is an insult by someone worthy of no respect.
        
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        September 16, 2023 9:47am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I wonder what label Shaneel Lal attaches to the young man who has admitted repeatedly punching an elderly lady in the face whilst at the Rosie Parker counter-protest.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/posie-parker-protest-activist-pleads-guilty-to-punching-elderly-woman-at-heated-auckland-trans-rights-protest/A5RG2HY2TJFLFKAP4OT7JLGIGU/
      
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      September 16, 2023 10:15am
      - rouppe
        
        Probably something along the lines of “freedom fighter”.
        
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        September 16, 2023 10:49am
    - TeresaAnn
      
      It is high time women started picketing the Herald, Kiwibank etc for supporting to a man like Shaneel Lal who incites violence towards women.
      
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      September 16, 2023 1:01pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The danger is only from a “group.” One on one they are wimpering little shits!
    
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    September 16, 2023 8:55am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Clan
    There is a possibility that the train wreck will make a stop on 14 Oct to change staff and then proceed to the same destination .
    
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    September 16, 2023 9:01am
    - thirteenstars
      
      It will. Luxon and his lieutenants have stepped back from the so-called culture wars. They have said these things aren’t really that important.
      
      All they’ll do is breathe a little extra life into a country that is now having its foundations deliberately chopped out from under it.
      
      Freedom does not follow prosperity. China has taught us that. We need to fight for both or it’s just not worth it.
      
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      September 16, 2023 11:15am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Luxon & the National party have said no such thing.
        
        You would do yourself and the party you support a favour, if you stop confusing your opinions and beliefs with what Luxon & National have said (which doesn’t equate to party policy).
        
        What you, and some others need to accept is that there are some issues the majority of voters are not interested in debating on a regular basis.
        
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        September 16, 2023 11:52am
      - thirteenstars
        
        “Luxon & the National party have said no such thing.”
        
        Like hell they haven’t.
        
        You would do yourself and the party you support a favour if you stopped confusing your political partisanship with what Luxon & National have actually said.
        
        I’ve heard Chris Luxon and Nicola Willis interviewed on The Platform on separate occasions where they have both distanced themselves from any concerns over the trans agenda.
        
        “which doesn’t equate to party policy”
        
        Well, show us that policy?
        
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        September 16, 2023 12:30pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Police hierarchy and Immigration need to answer some questions. They are the ones stopping free speech. By questions, I mean questions in Court!
    
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    September 16, 2023 9:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  18 min in a man is a woman Police Officer “Rona.”
  Then the Nazi bit. Take your Nazi … and shove it up your arse!
  I will watch the rest later.
  
  [Mod – I know people are passionate about this, but tone it down]
  
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  September 16, 2023 8:54am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    OK Mod. Yes this is dam annoying to me.
    The Nazi bit is a quote from the video Benidict gave a link to.
    I wanted to listen to her.
    
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    September 16, 2023 10:59am
- Nickc2
  
  So the Trans bastards win!! What a fucking disgrace and a sad day indeed for NZ on the world stage.
  
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  September 16, 2023 9:08am
  - Ghost
    
    Why do they win? Because some woman from the uk is no longer coming over here? Do you really need her to come over here to stand up against what the trans community are doing? If so they win because you don’t do anything.
    
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    September 16, 2023 9:58am
    - Taieri
      
      trans community
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      Community?
      
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      September 16, 2023 10:07am
    - rouppe
      
      She was primarily here to attend the court hearing of the person charged with assaulting her.
      
      That she does not receive any assurances that she can attend court safely is disgraceful.
      
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      September 16, 2023 10:53am
      - Ghost
        
        She was coming as part of that court case to stand up against the trans community. Sadly many in this country leave things for others to do. People know where the court case is, they know when it is, they can turn up in her place and support her and stand against these people. People can also get behind the kiwi woman who are standing against them.
        
        Trans community will only win if you do nothing and let them.
        
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        September 16, 2023 11:00am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        This will now mean the woman with the tomato juice/sauce will probably be discharged without conviction. Going by recent Court sentencings a tomato sauce attack is nothing.
        
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        September 16, 2023 11:06am
      - peterwn
        
        A paint attack on a person gets you remanded on bail, even if you are already on bail. Never mind that paint in the eyes could be a serious issue for the victim.
        
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        September 16, 2023 11:18am
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        If the liquid had been tipped on one of the anti-society activists the headlines would have read “Acid Attack…” or “Poor vulnerable trans attacked with Mystery Acidic substance.”
        
        The media are as vile and reprehensible as those hate spewers — the weirdo from Fiji, the weirdo from Columbia, Marama Davison etc
        
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        September 16, 2023 12:28pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        It appears many people are pulling their kids out of the state school system because “those that know best” are pulling stuff on people’s kids behind the parents’ backs.
        
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        September 16, 2023 8:40pm
- Scooter
  
  Take nothing at face value, has she been more or less forced to cancel? Seems too convenient that it is off especially as right before the election
  
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  September 16, 2023 9:15am
  - Notsofast
    
    I think she has been constructively blocked by Richard Owen, manager of immigration, at the behest of the government. In the Herald:
    
    Last month Immigration New Zealand general manager Richard Owen said Keen-Minshull holds a New Zealand Electronic Travel Authority (NZeTA), allowing her to travel here without applying for a visa in advance.
    
    Owen said Keen-Minshull’s entry into the country was still subject to border officers granting her a visa and permission to enter when she arrived at the airport.
    
    “This assessment includes whether the traveller is ineligible to enter due to character concerns,” he said.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-prepare-for-second-anti-trans-posie-parker-protest-after-violence-at-first-rally/DLJ3E56RIRD6BCHU5W6WZNDGIE/
    
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    September 16, 2023 9:40am
    - Gravelroad
      
      “This assessment includes whether the traveller is ineligible to enter due to character concerns,” he said.
      
      I have some “character concerns” about Mr Lal, who I believe came here from Fiji and now lives here?
      Does anyone care what I think? Mr Hipkins – looking at you.
      Likewise several alleged criminals who came here due to the kindness of Ms Ardern and who are still here – @Strubek.
      
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      September 16, 2023 10:31am
- thirteenstars
  
  Posie Parker can safely speak all over Britain and Ireland, and in Europe, but not in NZ.
  
  In the video announcing her cancellation, she goes into some detail about the OIA request made by Simon Anderson, the man who took the damning drone footage of the Albert Park disgrace:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/@SimonRAnderson/videos
  
  The OIA response clearly shows communications between police and others and in there is mentioned a central character, Rhona Stace, a trans-woman police senior sergeant who is both head of the Police Liaison Team on the day of the event and a board member of Rainbow Pride Auckland.
  
  Parker begins talking about that here:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/live/bjjnfkJighc?si=4HeOPuZa8_pL4xLx&t=1043
  
  The Police Association even have a puff piece about Stace:
  
  Aiding in that journey to normality was the launch in January of Police’s online rainbow community inclusion training, or Rainbow 101.
  
  The policing-specific module covers inclusive language, pronouns, terminology and a brief overview of rainbow communities. There is also a section for frontline staff on statement-taking, recording of names and genders, and on same-sex relationships. Just under 10% of all Police employees have completed the voluntary module, Rhona says. “Our goal is 14,000 of our people completing it.
  
  https://www.policeassn.org.nz/news/championing-diversity#/
  
  The cops knew what was going on. They knew what had been requested for safety. They monitored it all. And they did nothing.
  
  I guess we no longer have to wonder why.
  
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  September 16, 2023 12:23pm
Vinicius

Over at Bassett, Brash and Hide a list of race based special treatment initiatives by Labour and friends has been published.

A couple of favourites (sarcasm intended) are:

– Labour have decided that rather than looking for low price and minimum risk, government agencies need to ENSURE 8% of government contracts go to Maori business. Only Maori can apply for all government contracts, everyone else is restricted to 92% of them.

– $560 million tax payer funding to support Maori in getting the free Covid vaccine, including cash incentives for Maori to get vaccinated. Also, a Covid vaccine ‘Priority Access Code’ was made available if you were Maori.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/alex-holland-race-based-division
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September 16, 2023 8:02am
softail 1450

Benedict YU, The lunatics are in charge of the asylum, meanwhile the people that should be outraged at where the country has fallen to are to busy working and paying taxes to support the very people that are slowly ruining the country around them.
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September 16, 2023 8:08am
SmokerGuy

The media have really gone feral over Nationals tax policy. I completely accept questioning it but at some stage they have to let voters make up their own mind, it has become an absolute obsession for the media and it’s ridiculous! I for one think it doesn’t add up but they will be able to make it all balance some other way. I wonder how the average voter feels about it. It’s a weird campaign so far, I wonder if this constant attack will change the polls at all. I am a political junkie and even I am sick to death with them going on and on about it, it’s really turning me off the election so I can’t even imagine how the average punter feels. I was expecting the turnout to be high this election but if the media keep going like this for the next 4 weeks I think it will be very low.
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September 16, 2023 8:11am
- pdm
  
  SG – we have a good friend, she was a bridesmaid for us 53 plus years ago, so in her mid 70’s who is considering not voting for the first time ever.
  
  She has had a gutsful of the biased media coverage and four weeks roughly to go.
  
  It will get worse as Labour continue to slide in the Polls.
  
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  September 16, 2023 9:55am
  - SmokerGuy
    
    I hope she’s a Labour voter 😂. The more of them who don’t want to vote the better
    
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    September 16, 2023 9:59am
  - Flossie
    
    To not vote is of course a right in this country but I can’t see how a no-show changes anything.
    
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    September 16, 2023 10:05am
    - peterwn
      
      Not voting is effectively giving half a vote to the party you do not like.
      
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      September 16, 2023 11:14am
      - mawm
        
        My vote must be made up of multiple halves then.
        
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        September 16, 2023 12:21pm
  - kowtow
    
    Our ancient right to vote was too preciously bought over the past thousand years to be wasted .
    
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    September 16, 2023 10:43am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They will go quiet after poll on Thursday showing Nats gaining more support, Medi and Robertson will simply shut it
  
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  September 16, 2023 10:13am
  - peterwn
    
    Hope it shows Nats on 46% and NZF on 4%.
    
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    September 16, 2023 11:12am
- Paulus
  
  By going against National’s Tax Policy the media then avoid any comment as to how Ardern and her little people put New Zealand into this position.
  It will go daily from the so called feminist led media who show themselves to be self serving twits, and who will continue with a change of Government fr0m Election day on.
  
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  September 16, 2023 10:21am
  - Tricati
    
    Just watched Rebecca Wright interview Luxon on The Nation – What an appalling display of obnoxious arrogance by Wright, and the aggressive body language by leaning forward and poking at her papers said it all. Good on Luxon for not taking the bait and pushing back.
    You are right, the so called feminist led media are showing themselves to be self serving twits.
    
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    September 16, 2023 10:28am
    - Lance
      
      The only light relief was when Luxon said something about ‘I know this is the line the Labour party are pushing’ when Rebecca blurted out “I am not the Labour party ”
      Snigger
      
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      September 16, 2023 11:22am
    - thirteenstars
      
      Viz:
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLCrYMmpacM
      
      Wright is one of those types whose appearance perfectly matches their personality.
      
      But maybe Luxon is now sensing that he can’t make friends with the media. Does he really think if he slapped them back a bit they’d be *extra* mean to him?
      
      Oh, it’ll get worse. I hope Luxon can hold a grudge (unlikely) and perhaps let ACT loose on severing the incestuous relationship between the state and the media.
      
      Not holding my breath.
      
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      September 16, 2023 1:11pm
      - sparkhole
        
        You’ve got to admire how patient and polite Luxon was in that interview.
        
        Wrights misrepresentation of context and the absurdly comedic faux disbelief of what is said just ends up looking amateurish.
        
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        September 16, 2023 8:46pm
    - Close Hen Counters
      
      I simply cannot watch or listen to Jenna Lynch and Amelia Wade on tv3 …. Their hatred of anything national/act is beyond belief for so called impartial journalists
      
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      September 16, 2023 2:57pm
  - herb1
    
    Luxon will get asked about the tax policy on the leaders debate.
    He simply needs to say “ we wouldn’t be having this discussion if Mr Hipkins Government hadn’t put us in this financial mess “
    
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    September 16, 2023 1:07pm
    - sparkhole
      
      The reply to any question from now on should just be “Yip, Yip, that’s what it is”
      
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      September 16, 2023 8:48pm
- kowtow
  
  I have taken to keeping an eye on the tv “news” again in the run up to the election.
  
  tv1 last night , yet again on the Nat taxes .
  
  You could feel the delight that they have in that they feel they have manouvered Willis into a corner over staking her ministry on this.( I think she has foolishly played into their hands)
  They want a scalp and are sharpening their tomahawks .
  They feel their relentless propaganda may be paying off . “Shifting the dial”.
  
  I fully expect Luxon will get grilled quite hard on this too at the so called leaders’ debate .
  
  And again today’s Ferald is full of attacks on this policy . Two big cartoons and tons of commentary .
  
  All well and good , but Ardern and Robertson and co have dug a hole 100 billion deep and there’s no questioning at all.
  
  The Nats are up for a mere $2 bil and the whole news cycle of all our media has revolved around that and that alone.
  
  Major stitch up.
  
  Nat folk need to wake the hell up.
  
  The whole of the media Establishment hate you and are working very hard to keep you in Opposition .
  
  Even Blind Freddy can seet that.
  
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  September 16, 2023 10:40am
- Cara
  
  I’ll be voting at the earliest possible opportunity – just in case something happens to me before October 14th!
  
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  September 16, 2023 10:52am
  - Steve Todd
    
    Cara, if you vote early, then die before 14 October, your vote(s) will be disallowed. See subsection (4), here: https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0087/latest/DLM309885.html.
    
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    September 16, 2023 1:46pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The media are diverting from Hipkins saying what he and Labour will do if elected. (nothing)
  
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  September 16, 2023 11:11am
- citychic
  
  I too am sick of the media’s obsession with the minutiae of the Nats tax policy. It’s gone beyond what could be considered investigative journalism. I’m also deeply cynical as to why 3 economists feel the need to do a group critique. Something smells here. One is a green party economist so no surprises there, and I understand that the property chap is a marketing person not an economist. The other economist appears to have a personal agenda. Funny how the media can’t join the dots, or doesn’t want to.
  
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  September 16, 2023 1:04pm
  - Iamright
    
    I too am deeply cynical about the response. Seems to me to be another desparate Liabour Party hit job who have nothing to offer. 6 years of non delivery except saddling us with a large debt.
    
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    September 16, 2023 1:39pm
  - SmokerGuy
    
    I’m sure they’re just doing it for fun!! Seriously though no mention of why they just decided to do this, I don’t trust people like that without know their motivations.
    
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    September 16, 2023 2:28pm
- DeepBlue
  
  This will backfire hugely for Labour. All this is doing is letting the non-political /middle voter know that National will give tax cuts. They don’t care who pays or how.
  
  So much free advertising.
  
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  September 16, 2023 4:58pm
kowtow

Our te media pahti constantly decry NZ politics becoming so ‘American Presidential style’ and yet who push it constantly , Leaders’ Debate anybody ?
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September 16, 2023 8:12am
- Flossie
  
  The media were decrying Luxon as almost a hopeless cause when his Preferred PM ratings were lower than the incumbent. Doesn’t seem important now he’s right up there!
  
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  September 16, 2023 10:07am
Waipuk

This basically sums it up for me.

https://youtu.be/alOKkrH9XWg?si=sObaVNyuHicnrEVr

Can’t quite understand why it is so radical.
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September 16, 2023 8:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Pretty simple really. Life without hassle.
  
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  September 16, 2023 11:20am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    Great link waipuk.
    
    Konstantin points out how simple and easy life and decision making could and should be.
    
    NZ’s only quality national decision making in the last 6 years stemmed from the end of life and Marijuana legalization referenda.
    
    Despite the despicable low iq NZ media openly promoting legalization (Bob McCroskie exposed the unbalanced coverage) the NZ public made a decision based on facts. The fact that Marijuana legalization in California and Canada is an unmitigated disaster for their communities.
    
    More irreversible referenda please Mr Luxon and Mr Seymour.
    
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    September 16, 2023 11:50am
- NZer In Exile
  
  He absolutely nails it with crystal clarity! Those points should be the points the NZ “centre right” champion, loudly and clearly.
  
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  September 16, 2023 8:46pm
artemisia

Race based division. A 16 minute read but suggest allow an extra couple of hours to regain composure.

http://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/alex-holland-race-based-division
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September 16, 2023 8:22am
Benedict Yu

So it is all happening in the USA. 😳 Yesterday the reformulated COVID vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna were rolled out.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/where-to-get-updated-covid-19-booster-shot-vaccine/

The CDC is recommending that everyone, including infants and children aged from 6 months should get the shot.

These vaccines have been designed for the “XBB” variants.

https://fortune.com/well/2023/09/12/us-cdc-committee-recommends-updated-xbb-omicron-strain-monovalent-covid-boosters-for-ages-6-months-and-older/

AFAIK the USA is the only country pushing this new vaccine, certainly to the entire population.
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September 16, 2023 8:25am
- Che Guava
  
  Why?
  
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  September 16, 2023 8:34am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Dr John Campbell speaks to this in detail in this video.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXUQqghzPB0
  
  The number of adverse events is incredible. Previously, any other medicine would have been immediately withdrawn with a fraction of these numbers.
  
  Watch the video and shake your head in disbelief.
  
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  September 16, 2023 8:39am
  - mawm
    
    Joel Smalley has some interesting data from the British Government. Just the graphs derived from the data is all one needs to look at.
    
    “Proof of a mRNA Disaster! Buried England mRNA Data Avalanche has been Exposed. We can now Compare the % of All Cause Death (by Vaccination Status) with the % of Vaccine Uptake.”
    https://metatron.substack.com/cp/136760646
    
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    September 16, 2023 12:30pm
  - Overworked
    
    John Campbell is a nurse specializing as a nursing educator with a PhD in nursing theory, a BSc from the Open University and a Masters in Health Science from Univ Lancaster. He has no medical qualifications. Some of what he says may be valid but some is frankly misunderstanding or misrepresenting medical research.
    
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    September 16, 2023 9:25pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Too late for Chippie and Labour to milk it.
  I feel so sad that they can not mandate anything.
  
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  September 16, 2023 8:59am
  - PeeJay
    
    While highly unlikely, I wouldn’t completely rule this out just yet. They are bloody desperate and still have the unwavering support of the media. While I personally think it’s now too late for them to do a lockdown or somehow milk it, they are desperate so I wouldn’t necessarily rule out them at least trying something that stupid.
    
    Even if they did do something that stupid, I personally think the non-compliance this time would be massive.
    
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    September 16, 2023 11:43am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Not just desperate, they are nasty.
      
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      September 16, 2023 12:54pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Pretty sure around 50% of the population (if not more) will be resolutely saying “shove it” to those shots.
  
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  September 16, 2023 8:48pm
Benedict Yu

An advisory panel to the FDA in the USA has determined that cold medications containing phenylephrine do not work. They are totally ineffective.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/leading-decongestant-in-cold-and-flu-medicines-doesnt-work-fda-advisory-panel-says-180982893/

These products have been promoted in the USA since pseudoephedrine was banned from over the counter medicines in 2006. The New Zealand Government made the same decision a few years later. The objective was to curb methamphetamine production by meth cooks buying hundreds of boxes of cold tablets to use to manufacture the drug.

It is now probable that all of these medications will be removed from sale in the USA.

So the pharmaceutical companies have generated untold billions of dollars selling medications that are literally useless. Another episode that will erase any trust that people have in pharmaceutical companies, regulators and governments.

In 2009, John Key got this totally wrong.

“Professor Gluckman [the then chief science advisor to the Prime Minister] advises that clinical evidence shows there is a safe and effective alternative to PSE [pseudoephedrine] available for cold and flu relief. It’s already being used in up to three quarters of the cold and flu medications Kiwis use. It’s called phenylephrine.

For most people, medications based on this chemical are just as effective as those containing PSE.”

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/tackling-p

So the Government deprived people of an effective medication. The Government facilitated the pharmaceutical companies to sell junk medicine. All to no effect. The methamphetamine plague is still with us. The meth cooks simply found alternative supplies of pseudoephedrine.
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September 16, 2023 8:27am
- ClanMcleod
  
  BY – if you have access to the Netflix show ‘Painkiller’ I highly recommend watching it.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24-YonhNS0Y
  
  It is fully based on a provably true story re how Oxycontin was approved and pushed onto the public no differently to a crack dealer on a street corner.
  
  Another one is the excellent documentary, ‘The Pharmacist’. A true story with real peoples’ stories.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiHZ_wU4ktQ&pp=ygUWdGhlIHBoYXJtYWNpc3QgdHJhaWxlcg%3D%3D
  
  That one is available to watch on Youtube in full.
  
  As you say, no wonder people are losing trust in their health authorities.
  
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  September 16, 2023 8:45am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Thanks. I have watched Painkiller. 🙂
    
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    September 16, 2023 8:52am
    - plc
      
      Thought “Dopesick” was better….
      
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      September 16, 2023 10:22am
      - oldfella
        
        pic: ‘Dopesick’ was excellent.
        
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        September 16, 2023 11:49am
- Matt Long
  
  Next you’ll be telling us that Glickman and the other government/science advisers are not trustworthy and shouldn’t be treated as the sole source of truth Benedict.
  During the so called Peak Oil crisis, one of my good friends did a great science presentation referencing Glickman and Peak Knowledge.
  
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  September 16, 2023 8:51am
  - Matt Long
    
    Auto correct turns Gluckman to Glickman, despite me retyping it as Gluckman over and over. 😒
    
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    September 16, 2023 9:02am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      AI is going to fix everything for us, nothing to be concerned about at all…….🤡
      
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      September 16, 2023 9:34am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Anyone heard from the current PMCSA, Juliet Gerrard?
    I’ve emailed her a number of times asking for her thoughts on the ineffectiveness and apparent harms being done by the covid ‘vaccines’.
    
    I haven’t had a response for some strange reason. /s
    
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    September 16, 2023 9:33am
  - mawm
    
    Matt – Gluckman does not have a good track record as a chief scientific advisor.
    
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    September 16, 2023 12:54pm
Gravelroad

All Blacks playing African country -Namibia.
Don’t know much about it so googled it.
“Is Namibia a rich or poor country”?
“Political stability and sound economic management have helped poverty reduction and allowed Namibia to become an upper-middle-income country. However, socioeconomic inequalities—the legacy of apartheid systems of government in the past—remain extremely high and were worsened by the COVID-19 pandemic.”
Source: World Bank
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September 16, 2023 8:32am
- CJames
  
  I thought most of their team are South Africans – or that’s where their parents came from..
  
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  September 16, 2023 8:37am
  - Che Guava
    
    The Whites in Namibia are ancestrally German, in large part, as I understand it.
    
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    September 16, 2023 8:41am
    - Matt Long
      
      Yep the German colonists of Namibia were in a close competition with the Belgians in the Congo as to who could be the most brutally oppressive sociopaths.
      
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      September 16, 2023 9:40am
      - cmm
        
        Yup, their treatment of the Herero was grim. I suspect the same happened in Gernan East Africa too. They also turned a blind eye to slavery in all their colonies.
        Anyone who says the treatment of Jews was a Nazi aberration does not understand German history in the 1900s.
        
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        September 16, 2023 11:26am
    - cmm
      
      The white Namibians are mainly German or Afrikaners. Namibia has more Afrikaans speakers per capita than South Africa.
      During the 1800s quite a few Afrikaners settled there wanting to get as far away from the Brits as possible. Unfortunately for them the Brits took over SWA during WW1.
      
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      September 16, 2023 11:21am
- Che Guava
  
  The World Bank, an exemplar institution of the global billionaire elite and the system they preside over, decries the “socioeconomic inequalities” in countries like Namibia? What a joke.
  
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  September 16, 2023 8:39am
- Master Mariner
  
  Hi Gravel road, It is a country I resided in . A place called Walvis Bay.
  It used to be German South West Africa and run by Dictator. They have recently found good hydrocarbon reserves. Prior to this the main export was Fish with the rich up welling currents.
  Luteritz is also the richest Diamond deposits in the World, Hence de Beers being based there. They would shot you if caught on the beach.
  Some of the SA expats can ellaborate more, But the Law of buying diamonds was worse if caught than murder. IDB i believe.
  Great National Parks, With Etosha being the main.
  Interestingly, They still celebrated Hitlers birthday when I was there.
  Plenty of Sand dunes and sand.
  Beautiful place.
  
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  September 16, 2023 8:43am
- pdm
  
  In the days when Namibia was South West Africa they produced some pretty good Springboks – Jan Ellis back in the 60’s was as good as any loose forward anywhere.
  
  At least two All Bl;ack touring teams went to Windhoek yo play SW Arfrica.
  
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  September 16, 2023 8:55am
- Centrist
  
  It was settled by the Germans rather than Dutch. The country is mostly desert (the Namib Desert I think). If you are the right age and followed the Olympics you might remember the great sprinter Frankie Fredericks from about 30 years ago.
  
  There is actually a Namibian who competed in the rugby and cricket world cups in the same year.
  
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  September 16, 2023 9:12am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Pretty sure Namibia are high in farming
  
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  September 16, 2023 9:15am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Looking good for the new oil frontier.
  
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  September 16, 2023 9:35am
- Jack5
  
  Germany two years ago agreed to pay Namibia the equivalent of $NZ2 billion.
  
  This was compensation for German troops killing tens of thousands between 1904 and 1908 as they put down a revolt by the Herero and Nama tribes.
  
  Tanzania and Buruni, both former German colonies, are also seeking compensation.
  
  The Germans put up a spirited fight in Africa in World War 1 under General Paul Emil von Lettow-Vorbeck. With about 14,000 troops he was up against about 300,000 Allied troops, and supplies from Germany were blockaded.
  
  Von Lettow-Vorbeck, who became a conservative, non -Nazi politician in Germany, annoyed Hitler by refusing the post of German Ambassador to Britain.
  
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  September 16, 2023 11:30am
Captain Mainwaring

The MSM continues to pummel Nicola Willis over the so-called holes in her tax forecasts, but on the subject of the much larger sums that continue to be borrowed and wasted by Robertson …………… crickets.
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September 16, 2023 9:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  So what are these ‘holes’ they speak of? Or are they just talking Electioneering shit?
  
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  September 16, 2023 9:05am
  - Cassandra
    
    Real holes according to economists eg Robert McCulloch.
    
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    September 16, 2023 9:12am
    - PeeJay
      
      Interesting – haven’t read anything by him yet so that would be an interesting read.
      
      I don’t know McCulloch personally, but he seems to be reasonable – certainly not tribal left as he’s called bullshit several times on Robertson and Orr in the last year.
      
      If he’s pointing out some flaws in the proposals, they’ll most likely be real.
      
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      September 16, 2023 11:55am
    - Mark Hanley
      
      Cassandra. I can’t find McCullough criticizing Nats tax plan. Can u pls provide a link.
      
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      September 16, 2023 12:34pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The hole is the media’s opinion, end of story, but the more they spout it, the more the people who will receive a decent tax cut will simply fig their toes in
    
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    September 16, 2023 9:21am
    - kowtow
      
      I think a clear majoridy don’t give a fig .
      
      Roll on election day.
      
      Give the media pardy and their Labour masters the pasting they deserve.
      
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      September 16, 2023 10:50am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Alternatively it is finding the spec in your brothers eye while failing to notice the log in your own!
    
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    September 16, 2023 1:06pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I am sceptical about the estimated revenue from the tax on foreign house buyers. I also think that implementation will be more complicated than she makes out. However it will be solved.
  
  In the scheme of things it does not matter a damn. Let’s assume that the foreign buyers tax brings in (say) $300 million less than National has estimated. So what?
  
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  September 16, 2023 9:08am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Now you know why they changed their mind in free fees, one billion a year, not hard to fix a 500 million dollar hole.
    
    I love the way Luxon was asked you won’t be able to deliver your tax cut, he said yes I will, watch ms, I will just go it on October 15, another burn to rotten media, weekly polls now, if the pollls do not move, then the media will immediately stop the crap, I suggest the Nats May actually go up after the vulgarity
    
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    September 16, 2023 9:27am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Sorry “fees free” is a stupid and regressive policy. I expect it will go on negotiations with ACT. Because it is the first thing National will give up on, such is its vileness as a policy.
      
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      September 16, 2023 10:09am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Yes, but Nats were for getting rid of it, changed their minds the day before this tax announcement, I reckon they are holding that billion back, they probably don’t want to scare the horses
        
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        September 16, 2023 10:16am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Spot on, Bene. The media can only see the mote and not the log.
    
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    September 16, 2023 9:37am
  - JJ56
    
    Yes, the amount of revenue that comes depends on a whole lot of unknowns, number of buyers, number of sellers, price. Everyone will be wrong.
    
    The question to the Nats is where will the money come from if there is a shortfall?
    
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    September 16, 2023 9:37am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Free fees, that’s one billion a year, easy, they changed their mind on this the day before the tax announcement.
      
      Another thing, dropping the brightline test back to 2 years will also put several more houses on the market, land agents are saying there is huge interest from over seas already, Willis may well be right, another thing asking Willis if foreign interest will put up house prices is a hypothetical, why the hell would anyone know that answer, remembering of course this is only for luxury housing
      
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      September 16, 2023 10:22am
      - JJ56
        
        One suspects the inflationary effect is in the rounding error.
        
        BTW has anyone checked to see if there was any deflationary effect from applying the ban. Impossible to see.
        
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        September 16, 2023 10:38am
      - rouppe
        
        Where do you get $1B a year from?
        
        From what I’ve read it has been $2B since 2017 which is about $400M a year.
        
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        September 16, 2023 11:05am
  - Paulus
    
    I have been told by a Estate Agent that some existing foreign owners already here with so called new houses, are being encouraged by looking to upgrade, when they can selling their existing million $ homes (with any Capital Gains) and a looking at older existing million homes that they have not been able to buy.
    
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    September 16, 2023 10:35am
- Lance
  
  Also…
  I missed the part when the supposed 500 million dollar ‘hole’ in Nationals’ tax plan became a 2 billion dollar ‘hole’?
  
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  September 16, 2023 11:26am
  - Tricati
    
    Its supposedly $500 million a year, for 4 years, but that’s just 0.1% of GDP so SFA – a rounding error in those terms.
    Dump the free fee’s and its solved in a heart beat, but better still, reduce the number of public servants to pre 2017 level and there will be shit-loads to spare.
    
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    September 16, 2023 2:32pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Ring-fenced funding for one group of NZers from our Labour Government

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/alex-holland-race-based-division

* a long list to scroll through
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September 16, 2023 9:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I will send that to Julian Batchelor of Stop Co-Governance. Good material for him to use.
  
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  September 16, 2023 9:15am
- Notsofast
  
  This is new to me, possibly the most outrageous I saw yet, from the link:
  
  The Department of Internal Affairs has released a proposal for a new way to regulate social media and traditional media platforms that will control what can and cannot be discussed online. However, Maori are given elevated status in a co-governing role within the regulatory body. Maori are granted protections to “express themselves freely,” a privilege not given to any other New Zealander. The proposal will place Maori at the heart of the decisions about what New Zealanders are allowed to say.
  
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  September 16, 2023 10:15am
- Jack5
  
  That things went this far is a damning indictment of New Zealand’s State-owned and State-subsidised news media.
  
  They can’t just have been asleep to what Labour and Maori activists were doing. It’s looking more like complicity.
  
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  September 16, 2023 1:43pm
ClanMcleod

David Fisher at the Herald finally does something that resembles journalism. Paywalled. (Those of you who know how, do your thing).

The story is about Mick Hall, the journalist at RNZ changed aspects of stories reporting on the conflict in Ukraine to better reflect the truth.

He got harangued and vilified to the point it caused serious health issues and he resigned from his job.

His crime? Modifying news stories to reflect the truth. Yes, he was technically in breach of procedural policies, but he was actually doing what journalists are supposed to do. Report in a balanced manner, not regurgitate US state department propaganda.

A couple of quotes from the story. Hall stands by his actions and had strong support at the inquiry.

He’s not alone in this and presented the inquiry letters of support from internationally-regarded academics who have studied the Ukraine conflict.

University of Chicago professor John J Mearsheimer wrote to the inquiry, saying he did “not believe Mr Hall is purveying Russian propaganda”. “In fact, he is speaking truth to power, much to his credit. I find it profoundly depressing that in a liberal democracy like New Zealand, Mr Hall is being severely punished for simply being honest.”

Depressing indeed. What a comment from such a renowned academic, but an accurate comment describing just how bad the mainstream media in NZ has become.

More support.

Columbia University professor Jeffrey Sachs wrote: “The claim that the edits are pro-Russian propaganda is nonsense. The edits add depth of historical context and understanding, and open minds to a deeper inquiry.”

Which is what journalism is supposed to do.

John Pilger also describes the depressing state of NZ mainstream media accurately.

Renowned journalist John Pilger described Radio NZ’s criticisms of Hall’s edits as “compliant, frightened censorship”.

What the story describes in detail, is a good metaphor for what has happened to doctors, nurses, academics and others who have dared to oppose the covid narrative. Do so at your peril. You will be hunted, you will be punished, there will only be a ‘single source of truth’ in NZ.

Orwellian doesn’t describe what is happening in NZ adequately.

Read these disturbing comments discussing how Mick Hall can be ‘rehabilitated’ after he’s been ‘re-educated’.
Here’s the ‘kind and caring’ Gavin Ellis, Herald editor doing his best Jacinda Ardern impersonation. No doubt with a benign smile on his face.

The man is not dishonest. He failed in a journalistic duty. I’m sure if he was presented with the same problem again he would almost certainly behave differently.”

It’s likely there would be initial supervision and a restraint of working remotely, says Ellis, as a relationship of belief and trust was established.

Yes, once he gets his ‘mind right’ everything will be fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P82me5LZRgg

“Anything that affects trust must be treated seriously. Journalism is nothing without trust.”

I can’t believe he made that comment about trust. Never in the country’s history has trust in media and politics been so low and getting lower every week. North Korea is paying special attention, looking for tips.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/rnz-journalist-mick-hall-accused-of-pro-kremlin-garbage-and-what-really-happened-at-the-state-broadcaster/42NLPSK5AJCSDMXR52TZOJY3RE/
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September 16, 2023 9:12am
- Che Guava
  
  Once you realise that the “Western” coverage and framing of the war in Ukraine, i.e. completely one-sided and inherently dishonest, is the rule and not an exception in the coverage of any war, you start to take a different view on past conflicts and the popularly accepted view of much of history in general. The media didn’t go off the rails only in 2020, that’s just when they exposed themselves.
  
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  September 16, 2023 9:21am
  - Master Mariner
    
    It always used to be , Who wins gets to write the History.
    So in this context, Who is going too write the Truth ? Or closest resembalence to it ?
    “Captured or Embedded” journalists, I dont think so !
    
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    September 16, 2023 9:54am
  - imalwaysright
    
    It doesn’t help that many people get their view of history from Hollywood .
    
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    September 16, 2023 10:02am
    - Che Guava
      
      “It doesn’t help that many people get their view of history from Hollywood .”
      
      Help? It depends on one’s perspective: it doesn’t help if the goal is to understand the world as objectively as possible, but it helps a great deal if the goal is to construct a self-serving but largely false perspective that covers up one’s own crimes, disguises true motivations behind a moral curtain, while completely shifting all the burden onto others.
      
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      September 16, 2023 10:17am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Yes, that was the implication .
        There seems to be an increasing number of people who are unable to, or just don’t want to, gather information and form their own opinion.
        There are also many who are frightened to express their opinion.
        This results in a compliant, as opposed to cooperative , population and that at the end of the day is one of the aims of war.
        A compliant economic unit is much more valuable than a dead body.
        
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        September 16, 2023 11:11am
- imalwaysright
  
  Clan,
  
  Chilling.
  
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  September 16, 2023 9:31am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The supporting comments for Hall weren’t from Moscow, they were from highly renowned professors in US academia and John Pilger, a journalist without peer.
    
    Fisher couldn’t help himself and had to throw in this pathetic comment re Hall’s support.
    
    As regarded as Mearsheimer and Sachs might be, there are experts who offer opposing views.
    
    Of course, Fisher doesn’t bother to reference these mythical ‘experts’ or their comments.
    
    As said many times, Orwell wrote an instruction manual, not a novel.
    
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    September 16, 2023 9:42am
    - Che Guava
      
      “As regarded as Mearsheimer and Sachs might be, there are experts who offer opposing views.”
      
      Yeah, but Mearsheimer is right, notwithstanding the opposing views of others who are wrong.
      
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      September 16, 2023 9:55am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Meirsheimmer, Sachs and John Pilger are the voice of reason in a Sea of insannity.
      
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      September 16, 2023 9:57am
    - mawm
      
      Mearsheimer and Sachs are both highly respected at an international level and have extensive experience in international political intrigue. Both are knowledgeable and present it well in all the videos featuring them that I have watched.
      
      Another person who seems to be well informed and balanced in his discussions is retired Indian diplomat MK Bhadrakumar who writes a substack called Indian Punchline. He’s well worth following.
      
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      September 16, 2023 1:20pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Hmm. IIRC, the problem was that he was editing Reuters reports & presenting them as if they were unedited.
  
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  September 16, 2023 9:40am
  - JJ56
    
    Exactly, a responsible media is free to report Reuters but if it considers their view biased, their obligation is to report alternative (attributed) sources.
    
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    September 16, 2023 10:42am
- Matt Long
  
  I don’t know what the issues are that he edited, but if he changed stories without being clear that he did and giving context that is a problem.
  It’s similar to graduates barely out of nappies saying “but actually the truth is” when reporting on people like Trump.
  Opinion should be reported as opinion, and “facts” should be properly given sources for verification.
  
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  September 16, 2023 10:21am
- kowtow
  
  I read most of it , but he lost me when Pilger and Hagar were dragged out as pillars of authority .
  
  Fisher was suffering from a very severe case of NZ cultural cringe writing up a minor and inconsequential hack as some sort of international news savant on the basis that he was Northern Irish and questioned BBC bias ( but only biased in the sense that it was pro Westminster , bwahahahaha)
  
  The BBC has to be one of the most anti British institutions in that dis united kingdom.
  
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  September 16, 2023 11:01am
rockape

It seems ages since Labours own pollsters, Talbot Mills leaked a poll. I wonder why?
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September 16, 2023 9:22am
- NothingLeft
  
  They can only do so much faking and only in the absence of other polls before they destroy their reputation. They have to stop in run up to election, or at least pull their polling into vague alignment with higher frequency public polling because otherwise they are just revealing themselves to be liars.
  
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  September 16, 2023 9:41am
- pdm
  
  rocky – September 6 or 7.
  
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  September 16, 2023 10:02am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yet like in the Key years they had Labour well ahead of reality
    
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    September 16, 2023 10:25am
- Dougal10
  
  Its credibility is shot , they did get the 2 televised media companies to release ones that were better outcomes than the previous week for labour.
  
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  September 16, 2023 11:08am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/historian-bruce-moon-comes-out-swinging-in-support-of-julian/
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September 16, 2023 9:24am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Video of Co-Governance made in 2002:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqGSLXycXfE&t=91s
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September 16, 2023 9:25am
ClanMcleod

Sheep Farm Studios produce these 30 minute videos without commentary. They don’t need commentary, they speak for themselves.

I highly recommend you grab a coffee and expect to be variously shocked, angry, laugh and a range of emotions as they report on so many important aspects of the world today.

The very first 2 minutes will clearly explain why I haven’t drank Heineken for the last 3 years. It’s one of their ads from early 2020.

https://youtu.be/7hAIwq4P7W4?si=XYdHQgz6LJqhZTfb
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September 16, 2023 9:27am
- mawm
  
  I only watched the beginning. Heineken is a shit beer irrespective of their political views, and Sean Penn is not the sharpest knife in the drawer and an out and out communist. I’ll give it a full watch later.
  
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  September 16, 2023 1:29pm
Maggie Pie

Such a fab morning here in the 09.
Met up with a few of the girls from tennis earlier for coffee in Parnell.
Thank goodness no one suggested we go to Starbucks 🙁

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1702785333736157499
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September 16, 2023 9:35am
- kevn
  
  Maggie… Cleansed away it seems but I can imagine.
  
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  September 16, 2023 9:47am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Did you and the girls put the salary into the tax calculator 😃
  
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  September 16, 2023 10:26am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Morning G! How’s fings down in Dunners? 😎
    
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    September 16, 2023 11:00am
- NZer In Exile
  
  I’ve always thought of Starbucks coffee as coffee milkshakes. Americans seem to love them though.
  
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  September 16, 2023 8:52pm
Opie

Chris Trotter electrocuting the government.

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2023/09/15/delirious-hatred-the-dystopic-tendencies-of-twenty-first-century-progressivism/

If you are short of time try these gems:

” In the end, the reason I cannot bring myself to vote for either Labour or the Greens is very simple: it’s because they are joyless; because the logical end-point of the ideology they espouse is one of universal dissatisfaction and unending conflict.

Chippy can talk about “bread and butter” all he likes, but everybody knows that he and Grant Robertson have already committed themselves to less butter and thinner bread for at least the next three years. We also know that if, by some miracle, Labour-Green wins the election, then none of the initiatives which both parties signed-up to over the past six years: radical ethnic nationalism, censorship, transgenderism; are going to be abandoned.

What looms ahead of New Zealand if Labour-Green wins is grinding economic austerity and relentless cultural warfare.”

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September 16, 2023 9:36am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Say what you like about Boris, people liked him in part because he was cheery.
  
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  September 16, 2023 9:42am
- Benedict Yu
  
  This is so well put.
  
  “Those who were in Albert Park on 25 March 2023, and those who watched the many video recordings made at the scene, could not help but note the delirious hatred of the mob, and the brutal behaviour it spawned. Such is the praxis of the post-modern progressive: telling the news media that theirs was a gathering of peace and love – while punching a 70-year-old woman in the face. And then, shamefully, having their lies accepted by the supposedly “independent” intellectuals appointed to expose and condemn media falsehoods.”
  
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  September 16, 2023 10:05am
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/rnz-journalist-mick-hall-accused-of-pro-kremlin-garbage-and-what-really-happened-at-the-state-broadcaster/42NLPSK5AJCSDMXR52TZOJY3RE/

He says he is not a Russian agent, but, isn’t that just what a Russian agent would say?
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September 16, 2023 9:51am
ClanMcleod

Opie – interesting to note, Trotter doesn’t mention the nightmareish excesses of the covid policies implemented by Labour.

That will possibly be because he was one of those advocating for stronger punishments for the terrible transgressors opposing the ‘single source of truth’. Something he has been offered the chance to walk back but to date, has refused to do.

Is it still a tenable proposition to suggest that after so many weeks of unrelenting messaging, from a vast array of sources, delivered from, and to, every conceivable platform, there are still people out there who have not heard that the Pfizer vaccine is tested, efficacious, safe, and absolutely crucial to New Zealand re-emerging into something approximating normality?

It beggars belief to argue that more than a tiny number of such individuals exist.

But, if the message has been received and understood by the yet-to-be-vaccinated, then only one conclusion can reasonably be drawn. The so-called “vaccine hesitant” aren’t really hesitant at all. Though they may lack the courage to come right out and admit to being vaccine resisters, they have, nevertheless, made that choice.

Chris is one of those who fell for the bullshit so I understand his mistake, however, he’s refused to walk this position back even though he’s been given multiple opportunities.

The whole post is worth reading to get the full picture of his thoughts on those damned ‘anti vaxxers’.

https://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2021/10/putting-on-armour-of-covid-righteousness.html
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September 16, 2023 9:53am
- Che Guava
  
  Trotter still bangs on about the 1951 waterfront strike as if it was the nadir of New Zealand politics. What a bozo. Has he been unconscious since 2020?
  
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  September 16, 2023 10:09am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He maybe a boxing, he says he is voting for Peters
    
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    September 16, 2023 10:28am
    - Che Guava
      
      I’m considering voting for Winston just for the downticks.
      
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      September 16, 2023 10:32am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Have one from me, Che!
        
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        September 16, 2023 3:16pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Understandable. The choices aren’t great. Pros and many cons for each choice.
        
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        September 16, 2023 8:53pm
Benedict Yu

Something to lighten the mood. Kàinga Ora moves a tenant into a new house. Complete with new front lawn. The type that gets rolled out as turf.

Next morning tenant phones up. Overnight, someone has stolen the lawn. Just rolled it up and made off with it. 😳
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September 16, 2023 9:59am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  see, the enterprise economy is not dead yet!
  
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  September 16, 2023 10:13am
- Master Mariner
  
  Probably raffled off at the local pub. 🙄
  
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  September 16, 2023 10:20am
- gravedodger
  
  I wonder if it was Microchipped? probably not.
  
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  September 16, 2023 10:37am
- cmm
  
  Why the hell are we giving these people roll out lawns?
  Surely they can do their bit for society by growing the grass themselves?
  
  Here’s a bag of grass seeds. We’ll come back in 2 months and expect there to be a lawn.
  
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  September 16, 2023 12:01pm
  - Matt Long
    
    Horror story by tenant, no lawn provided just bare muddy ground,
    claim for 10k for hurt feelings and PTSD.
    
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    September 16, 2023 5:55pm
  - Colville
    
    Try getting code compliance from council without a lawn.
    
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    September 16, 2023 8:34pm
-D

Rebecca Wright at her absolute worst on Newshub Nation at the moment. This isn’t wanton ignorance. It is just plain ignorance.
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September 16, 2023 10:04am
- mandk
  
  She was terrible. Didn’t want to let Luxon get a word in edgeways. Not interested in his answers.
  
  I though Luxon showed extraordinary patience in the face of her hectoring.
  
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  September 16, 2023 12:56pm
- DeepBlue
  
  Bomber thinks she skewered Luxon.
  
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  September 16, 2023 5:10pm
imalwaysright

If hipkins and Robertson sell the Beehive to kainga ora they will never have to leave.
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September 16, 2023 10:11am
- nathie
  
  Mongrel Mobsters might misinterpret Labour MP’s and supporters wearing a sea of red clothing about the place as their new gang pad and move in.
  
  And no one will evict them.
  
  Kinda sums up the Ardern/Hipkins Labour Govt of 2017-2023.
  
  Well it would if NZ had some decent MSM cartoonists or satire programmes on TV nowadays!
  
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  September 16, 2023 2:40pm
Tauhei Notts

I got a prize for Volunteer of the Year from my local authority in 2017.
One must consider the sanity of anybody who gets such a prize in 2024. The Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment, through their incredibly idiotic reforms to the Incorporated Societies Act, make voluntary work the task of the mesmerised and deluded.
One small outfit has been quoted $4600 in legal fees to reform their administration to cope with the new act. That is nine times what they have spent on legal fees in the past 50 years, so one old timer told me.
I wrote, about 7 months ago, about the new accounting policies and principles for very small societies. You’ll go to sleep if I explain the stupidity of the 77 pages of gobbledy gook.
My vocabulary is so limited, my lexicon so small, that the only words I can use to describe it all is absolutely fucking hopeless.
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September 16, 2023 10:14am
- RPP
  
  A lot of sport and hobbies in NZ are dying, road cycling especially, because none of the clubs can afford the regulatory fees from government and council, and no one wants to volunteer to help, in part due to liability and apathy
  
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  September 16, 2023 10:48am
  - I remember when
    
    “Road cycling especially.”
    Isn’t it ironic in these “Climate Change” times.
    
    Do the cycling authorities need to move with the times and introduce EV cycling races?
    Perhaps with an organised “Climate” protest at the end so that there is someone to officiate.
    
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    September 16, 2023 11:30am
- I remember when
  
  Charity Shops have to treat their unpaid workers as employees with all the regulation that entails.
  
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  September 16, 2023 11:35am
kevn

Tau…. Keeping many in jobs at MBIE.
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September 16, 2023 10:25am
Ghost

There’s no climate emergency. And the alarmist messaging pushed by global elites is purely political. That’s what 1,609 scientists and informed professionals stated when they signed the Global Climate Intelligence Group’s “World Climate Declaration.”

“Climate science should be less political, while climate policies should be more scientific,” the declaration begins. “Scientists should openly address uncertainties and exaggerations in their predictions of global warming, while politicians should dispassionately count the real costs as well as the imagined benefits of their policy measures.”

Article
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September 16, 2023 10:28am
Paulus

See Insurance Companies have an estimated Claims of some $3.5 billion for this years flood and cyclone and people do not expect premiums to rise.
Net Written Domestic and Contents total 2022 $1.5 billion.
Gonna be expensive !
As claims are becoming more regular and expensive for Insurance Companies to stay in business, they are going to have recollect over shorter periods.
In addition Investment results are very low too.
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September 16, 2023 10:47am
Maggie Pie

What’s going on in this country?

Last week when I went to the Bank to withdraw 5k in cash, honestly, you would have thort I was attempting an armed hold-up.
Got asked a thousand questions by the snarky woman behind the screen what I wanted it for? Anyway….it’s the ‘rules’ now, apparently.

Yet this morning, there’s a paywallwed story in The Horrid:

“Auckland Money Launderers Walk Free From
Court After $123 MILLION In Cash Deposits”

Turns out it was a couple of Chinamen running a ‘Foreign-Exchange Office’ in Queen Street. They were facilitating drug dealers, cigarette smugglers and fraudsters to transfer their ill-gotten gains to offshore accounts.
After adopting a starting point of nearly 4 years in prison, but then reading the Cultural Report and applying discounts, Judge Bergseng sentended them to 9 months and 2 months Home-D respectively.

Shame they didn’t run into the same Teller I did.
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September 16, 2023 10:48am
- peterwn
  
  Anyone who withdraws $5,000 from a bank account must be up to no good or be under serious pressure.
  For these money launderers the real sting will be when the Police asset recovery unit steps in (they seem to be on the job already). They are going to be stripped naked.
  
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  September 16, 2023 11:00am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Hate to say it pete…but you sound a bit ‘odd’ to me.
    
    You’re not an Accountant by any chance? 🙁
    
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    September 16, 2023 11:42am
    - Colville
      
      Maggie..I have to agree with him…wtf do you want with a pile of filthy notes?
      
      I cant remember the last time I paid for anything in cash… Imagine going to a restaurant with actual money! 🙂
      
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      September 16, 2023 12:26pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Trademe seller heading o’seas would take ‘cash only on pick-up’ for a magnificent French ormolu clock. What’s a girl to do?
        
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        September 16, 2023 1:02pm
      - peterwn
        
        Mad magazine was on to this decades ago in a satire ‘agony’ column. “I took my date to a fancy restaurant and when the waiter presented the bill to impress her I pulled out a roll of notes, peeled off a $50 note and told him to keep the change. She has not been out with me since. What went wrong?”. Answer – “Anyone carrying around that amount of cash must be broke. Use a credit card next time.”
        
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        September 16, 2023 2:06pm
      - cmm
        
        “Trade me seller heading overseas”. Did you see the person’s ticket?
        Sounds dodgy to me. A bank transfer only takes 2 seconds to go through you can do it on your phone right in front of them.
        
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        September 16, 2023 2:21pm
      - Sparrow
        
        I had a funny episode today. Had lunch at a restaurant today. Ordered a coffee before friends arrived. Gave a $20 note. Young girl was having problems working things out. Asked her how much $6. Baffled as to how much change. Quietly told her $14. Another woman said don’t see cash. Christ not only a problem with cash but also subtraction. Obviously never did mental maths at school.
        
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        September 16, 2023 5:19pm
    - peterwn
      
      Tell me what the girls at tennis think of me after the Midweek Ladies.
      
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      September 16, 2023 2:08pm
  - Max Howler
    
    If I want to beat the wait queue, lots of my tradies only accept hard cash, and dont bother asking for an invoice.
    Seems to be how its going to go in the future, with tax rates only going to get worse (without a change of govt).
    
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    September 16, 2023 3:51pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Don’t talk garbage. The money is yours to do with as you wish. If I want to withdraw my money it’s none of your bloody business what it is for.
    Or shall we move to the CCP mode, would that make you feel better? Good grief.
    
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    September 16, 2023 8:11pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  One of those snarky female tellers had me ordered from the bank when I went to withdraw $4000. Following her invasive questions I remarked;
  “The full names and dates of birth of the young women you try to coax into your depraved lifestyle is none of my business. And, similarly where I spend my money is none of your business. I would be grateful if you could be so kind as to hand me 40 $100 notes.
  I had to go to another branch.
  
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  September 16, 2023 1:31pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes…I was tempted to say I was setting up a home based Anal Bleaching Clinic but I could tell from the way she looked she wouldn’t have a cloo what I was talking about.
    
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    September 16, 2023 2:45pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Come on guys. This cash thing works – so a friend told me.
  Lets do a big section cleanup – trim some trees. Quote is $X.
  So how would you like to be paid? Bank transfer? Folding stuff with no GST – and a discount?
  It does happen less now because of permission to do it from – Guess where?
  
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  September 16, 2023 3:47pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This needs to be done in NZ before the next pandemic is Govt/Council controlled.

https://americanpeopledaily.com/buzzbombmedia/california-city-votes-to-ban-covid-mandates/?utm_placement=buzzbombmedia
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September 16, 2023 10:53am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Joe continues:
Lying to the American people is always bad enough as President. Yet to do it about 9/11, and on its 22nd anniversary is just incredibly insulting.

https://thepoliticalmovement.com/2023/09/15/now-biden-claims-he-was-at-ground-zero-the-day-after-the-9-11-attacks/
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September 16, 2023 10:54am
- I remember when
  
  Final proof he hasn’t known where he is for some considerable time?
  
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  September 16, 2023 11:23am
- Biscuit
  
  Be fair, Steve – your hero claimed he saw the WTC attacks from his near-Central Park building.
  
  But I agree, Joe has sure lost the plot since coming to office…
  
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  September 16, 2023 12:32pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Saw the WTC attacks? Don’t know about that, but he called on his construction worker to help. Then he pulled another 100 or so from another construction site.
    Quick actions.
    
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    September 16, 2023 12:59pm
Jack5

Score or so young National supporters waving placards at a busy corner of Memorial Avenue this morning, and motorists sounding horns in support.

Most activity by National I’ve seen in an election run-up in north-west Christchurch.
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September 16, 2023 11:12am
- cmm
  
  NW, where abouts? Selwyn was, and maybe still is, the bluest electorate in NZ.
  
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  September 16, 2023 12:07pm
  - Jack5
    
    CMM – Ilam.
    
    The National young folk were on two corners of the Memorial Ave-Grahams Road intersection, and were getting quite a bit of support.
    
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    September 16, 2023 1:19pm
JJ56

The Nats tech sector policy includes a very useful policy on taxing options for staff in startups. Put simply defer tax liability until the share is sold ie cash flows. This will encourage this approach to inkind investment by avoiding a cash flow squeeze from tax liability on the employee when the options convert (current arrangements).

Also a better way for the Crown to share the risk. The tax falls on the successful ones.

https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/finance/nats-dangle-tax-sweetener-for-startup-employees (paywalled)
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September 16, 2023 11:17am
- cmm
  
  This will get gamed. Every company is going to spawn a bunch of start ups.
  
  I will likely personally gain from it, but I am fundamentally opposed to people in other businesses having to subsidize the tech sector.
  
  ie Why should a baker be subsidizing a software developer?
  
  Why can’t start up microbreweries and artisan bakeries and whatever get the same deal?
  
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  September 16, 2023 12:13pm
  - JJ56
    
    I had assumed the tax treatment would be neutral and cover all start-up.
    
    Trying to select only tech companies sounds more like a GST off fruit and vegs kind of thing.
    
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    September 16, 2023 12:47pm
I remember when

The rape law change being proposed by Labour doesn’t mean you will be guilty if consent isn’t given.
You will be guilty if you can’t prove that consent was given.

I guess there is an answer out there somewhere, but it isn’t going to be easy to find.
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September 16, 2023 11:20am
- cmm
  
  When my father was a law student back in the 1940s one of his classmates required anyone getting into his car to first sign an indemnity.
  
  I suspect that would be the best thing here too. Get your sexual transactions in writing, preferably witnessed.
  
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  September 16, 2023 12:05pm
greybeard

What I took from this morning’s RWC match:
Ethan de Groot thoroughly deserved a red card. What an idiot.
McKenzie played a lot better at No.10 than he did at No.15.
Roigard is destined to be No.1 halfback very soon, and probably captain at some stage as he reads the game so well.
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September 16, 2023 11:43am
- Cinematic
  
  ABs looked good. De Groot card hearing will be interesting I’ve a sneaking suspicion it’s not quite so clear cut.
  
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  September 16, 2023 1:54pm
- MCōs
  
  I’ve never thought McKenzie would cut the mustard at international level no matter how good he’s looked playing for the Chiefs.
  The Blackcaps selectors often give too much latitude to mediocre players based on their provincial exploits.
  
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  September 16, 2023 2:10pm
  - greybeard
    
    McKenzie has played at least 40 tests for NZ since 2016.
    There is no doubting his skills and abilities, it is just that at No. 10 he plays a role which fits in with the rest of the team, and he is more of a team player, whereas at No.15 he is often on his own and his subsequent choices are not always correct.
    Anyway, that is how I see it.
    
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    September 16, 2023 6:13pm
I remember when

“Climate Change’ outcome number #1,000,000+:
The US Red Cross has blamed “Climate Disasters’ for a Blood Shortage.
They say the US supply has dropped 25% since August.
Hurricane Idalia caused more than 700 units of blood and platelets to go uncollected.
The Red Cross is relied on to collect 12,500 donations every day.
Because of the busiest travel season on record it helped contribute to a shortfall of 30,000 donations.

Not sure Weather that counts as ‘Climate Change’.
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September 16, 2023 12:01pm
- cmm
  
  You forgot the AB performance. Climate change impacts coaching.
  
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  September 16, 2023 4:09pm
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    I’m AB negative.
    
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    September 16, 2023 9:40pm
I remember when

When is Labour going to understand that even if you are drawing attention to errors, constantly referring to your main opposition is simply keeping them in the public eye?

Make you sound vulnerable!
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September 16, 2023 12:10pm
- cmm
  
  Well it certainly makes Labour look as if they are already in opposition.
  
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  September 16, 2023 12:15pm
  - Paulus
    
    Not only are Labour already in opposition but the so called media are !
    
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    September 16, 2023 1:40pm
- Biscuit
  
  Agreed, Irememberwhen…
  
  Chippie’s campaign seems to focus on pointing out how bad National/Act/PossiblyWinston might be when failing to realise that a lot of people are so sickened by Labour’s activities over the last 6 years – and Co-Governance is right up there evem though, curiously, it never crops up in Chippie;s speechs – that they just want him and his party out.
  
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  September 16, 2023 12:28pm
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    100%. Despite the media trying to breath life into the election, 6 years of incompetence and mediocrity that they supported is over.
    
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    September 16, 2023 1:45pm
Ghost

Grant’s seat looks like it will be an interesting one to watch

When polled on which party candidate they would vote for if the election were held tomorrow, 30.6 percent of the 450 respondents who had an answer said they would vote for Labour’s Ibrahim Omer.

This is the highest of any of the candidates but is still dramatically lower than the 57.7 percent Grant Robertson received in the 2020 general election.

In second place is National’s Scott Sheeran on 28 percent, which is higher than the 17.9 percent Nicola Willis received from the electorate in 2020.

The Green Party’s Tamatha Paul is in third on 26.6 percent, again higher than James Shaw’s 17.7 percent in 2020.

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September 16, 2023 12:18pm
- Vinicius
  
  What about Hutt South which has Ginny Andersen against Chris Bishop? Anyone think Labour is going to hold this seat or do National have a chance?
  
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  September 16, 2023 2:37pm
kevn

labour… gone for a generation.
Said Bob Jones, long term politcal observer and a sometime labour voter.
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September 16, 2023 12:33pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  We can only but hope that is the case.
  
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  September 16, 2023 1:37pm
- kowtow
  
  Recent donor too .
  
  Sounds like Two Ways Bob likes to put a bob two ways.
  
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  September 16, 2023 2:38pm
I remember when

Australian Stock Exchange has Uranium prices at an all time high.

Do the Greens ever wonder why?
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September 16, 2023 12:35pm
- Jack5
  
  Uranium’s price is soaring because of fears about sanctions on supply from Russia.
  
  In March, Biden banned imports of oil and other fuels from Russia – except of uranium.
  
  In May, a bill banning uranium imports from Russia passed a US House of representatives committee but building American replacement mining and industry will take time.
  
  The US imports only about 14 per cent of its uranium ore from Russia, but about a third of its enriched uranium. Russian enrichment is cheaper than that done in America.
  
  You can see a graph of the uranium price here:
  
  https://markets.businessinsider.com/commodities/uranium-price?op=1
  
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  September 16, 2023 1:38pm
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    Niger has quite large uranium mines which were supplying France. This quite likely helped kick off the conflict there.
    
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    September 16, 2023 4:07pm
Ghost

Doctors, nurses, teachers, etc have had to strike under labour for pay rises, don’t believe a thing they say. But hey let’s just keep putting wages up so businesses have to keep putting their prices up and around and around we go

Labour has committed to annual increases to the minimum wage, and the end of the lower-paid training and youth wages.

Labour leader Chris Hipkins also said he would ensure everyone working in health and education fields would be paid the living wage, during a town hall meeting in Māngere, south Auckland, with Pasifika leaders and the E Tū Union.

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September 16, 2023 1:54pm
SmokerGuy

I see labour and the greens are promising even more costs onto businesses not to mention making it harder for young people to get a job by abolishing the youth wage. Of course the media will go just as hard on them asking if they did studies to see the implications as they have on National I’m sure. Orrrrrr maybe they won’t!
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September 16, 2023 2:19pm
- Prince
  
  Yes, what does that do to the PREFU issued recently ?
  And if in Govt will they resign if the extra holidays are forthcoming ?
  
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  September 16, 2023 7:58pm
Jack5

Stuff says Kyle Chapman, the NZ far right political activist who has been arrested for unlawful possession of firearms and ammunition, had a Chinese version of the Russian Kalashnikov AKM rifle.

The Norinco NHM 90 that Stuff says Chapman is charged over is described by America’s NRA Museum as a “sporterised” version of the Russian AKM. Modifications so that it could exported to America included reducing the magazine to 10 rounds, and, presumably by limiting it to semi-automatic.

Ten rounds is also the maximum magazine size for rifles in NZ ,

Norinco exports to America were eventually blocked because of Norinco weapons being sold from China to Iran.

The Stuff report says Chapman met ex-soldiers and marines in the United States. Surely that can’t be illegal?

Let’s hope Labour sympathisers aren’t using the Chapman arrest to drum up support or sympathy for Draconian censorship and speech controls Labour has worked on.

The Stuff report:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/132942617/former-leader-of-neonazi-group-met-exsoldiers-in-america-prior-to-arrest-on-firearms-charges
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September 16, 2023 3:42pm
- cmm
  
  I’m pretty sure that since Cindyfication, all semiautomatic centrefire rifles are restricted and are generally illegal to own no matter the magazine size.
  
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  September 16, 2023 4:00pm
  - Jack5
    
    CMM, you are correct. Thank you. I’ve checked the 2019 amendment act.
    
    Ardern’s fixation on firearms was more intense than I thought. And what was the result? The recent legacy of the Left and the Woke in NZ has been raging crime and rampant violence.
    
    Criminals seem able to get guns, and knife-wielding fanatics can damage several people at a time.
    
    But back to the ban on semi-automatic rifles …
    
    British and Commonwealth – and armies of countries as remotely related as Finland and Japan – did great damage with bolt-action rifles. The “mad minute” test for riflemen entailed 15 rounds at a 300-yard target within 60 seconds.
    
    It must have been movies that put the focus on automatic weapons. From them the aura – and fear – spread to semi-automatics.
    
    Perhaps if the latter had been more widely known to the public as “self loading’ they would have received less attention.
    
    The legislation CMM led me to, shows that pistols are exempt from the ban on semi-automatics.
    
    The reason is demonstrated at this link featuring Jerry Miculek, an American champion demonstrating speed shooting – with a revolver rather than with a semi-automatic pistol:
    
    https://youtu.be/WzHG-ibZaKM?si=b4C2PWjGalUVYV5s
    
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    September 16, 2023 5:06pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

How did the Law, and the Police get to this stage? You can not stop a thief or you may be arrested for assault? The public are warned about taking own actions?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/police-praise-courage-of-crime-stopping-publisher-todd-scott-but-warn-kiwis-against-taking-own-actions/ar-AA1gKz5z
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September 16, 2023 3:58pm
- cmm
  
  Citizen’s arrest seem to only be allowed for serious crimes. It seems shoplifting is not enough.
  This is something that needs to be addressed.
  
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  September 16, 2023 4:03pm
septic skeptic

Luxon continues to say that he hasn’t given working with Winston First after the election any thought. IMO, that’s a lie – and it doesn’t help him with the perception some people have that they can’t entirely trust him. Why does he not honestly state his position?
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September 16, 2023 4:47pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Luxon still wants those center left votes.
  
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  September 16, 2023 5:44pm
- Prince
  
  Perhaps he thinks he needs to win the election first.
  Seems like a good plan to me.
  
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  September 16, 2023 7:55pm
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    It’s such an obvious lie though. They would be better to either answer the question honestly, or just say we are not going to comment or rule anyone in or out until after the election.
    
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    September 16, 2023 8:10pm
Ghost

No, really, another thing labour touched f’d up. Who would have guessed

Last year, we received an email to advise us that we were losing our prompt payment discount in return for cheaper power rates. This year, we received another email to advise us that power prices were increases. We are no better off. We are paying more for power than we did last year and without our prompt payment discount. What is going on?

The power companies used to all offer customers a discount, sometimes as much as 20% if they paid their bills on time.

But in 2019, they were told they needed to offer them to everyone, because the Government said they were really “hidden” late payment charges for people who didn’t get them.

Companies took a while to phase them out, and some had them for longer than others.

But since then, power prices have risen. Consumer NZ says power prices are 35% higher in real terms than they were 20 years ago.

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People punished by labour for paying their bills
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September 16, 2023 7:09pm
- Prince
  
  Yes, in Labour’s world people who paid their bills were being subsidised by people who didn’t.
  
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  September 16, 2023 7:53pm
Iamright

Watched the Nation. Wright is an absolute bitch. Sorry should really be using another letter of the alphabet but probably not allowed!!
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September 16, 2023 8:00pm
DimChappie

Posie is not coming but her impact is huge: NZ Police knew about protester numbers and tactics the day before the Auckland event where they failed to separate the 2 sides. Explosive documents also reveal the role of tranny cop:

https://twitter.com/SimonRAnderson1/status/1702125388871475422
https://twitter.com/SimonRAnderson1/status/1702125388871475422/photo/1
https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/2018/03/becoming-rhona/
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