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The Redbaiter

“What I do think is very important is that the emissions trading scheme be allowed to work and that means when polluters are asked to pay a price for pollution they pay that price and the govt doesn’t turn around and cut them a cheque. Why are we cutting cheques to big polluters when NZers need tax relief? Ask the polluters to de-carbonise.”

Nicola Willis in last night’s finance debate idiotically called CO2 “pollution” when it is the gas of life and without it all the planet would die. She wants to penalise enterprises who produce CO2 by means of the carbon trading scheme.

Who does Ms Willis think will pay the true cost of this in the end? If the price of “carbon” is increased, then everything will be far more costly to the “hard working taxpayers” she professes to care about. Petrol for example will double in price from its already ridiculously unreal cost.

Ruining the economic base of the country for the sake of a politicised myth. Every dollar spent on reducing CO2 emission is a dollar wasted and will ratchet down NZ’s already unacceptably low productivity rates.

Nobody capable of rational thought calls CO2 “pollution”. It is a propaganda term and a lie. The National Party is no longer the National party. It has been completely infiltrated and taken over by the Green Left.
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September 15, 2023 8:00am
- Grunter
  
  Totally correct! Global Boiling is a scam.
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:47am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    As with most things in life, you need to think a bit deeper to understand the whys and wherefors.
    
    Global Boiling is a scam but International customers punishing NZ for not playing our part in the scam is very real.
    
    Luxon and National are playing a very clever game with climate change by using it to achieve their objectives without bankrupting NZ….
    
    Allowing farmers TO include wetland carbon sequestration in their co2 calculation (NZ farms are carbon sinks, it is Labours skewing of the equation which allows the detractors to claim otherwise).
    
    Increasing renewable electricity generation.
    
    Preparing for the inevitable conversion to electric vehicles.
    
    Allowing farmers to access higher yield lower carbon GE pasture.
    
    Luxons suggestion NZ includes carbon sequestration in our surrounding oceans in our c02 calculations.
    
    Paying the ETS money back to NZ families.
    
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    September 15, 2023 10:00am
    - Grunter
      
      “Global Boiling is a scam but International customers punishing NZ for not playing our part in the scam is very real.”
      
      Which customers/markets specifically?
      – China – No
      – USA – No
      – Aust – No
      – India – No
      – EU – Yes threatening it but they now buy bugger all anyway and in 5 yrs they won’t be a big part of our export markets
      
      ACT Climate stance is at least a bit more honest. Set ETS CO2 targets at the same level as our trading partners (China!!), and return all revenues back as a tax credit.
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      September 15, 2023 10:47am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        How will ACT help NZ producers meet the ETS limits/costs?
        
        Lower ETS emissions (whatever level you set) cost money.
        
        And if scrapping carbon targets has no consequence, why isn’t Seymour advocating we get rid of them?
        
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        September 15, 2023 11:47am
    - I remember when
      
      and allow grass CO2 sequestration as it is circular.
      
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      September 15, 2023 12:36pm
    - kisekiman
      
      4D chess, eh? Yeah right, they’re continuing to sell NZ farmers down the river. How about rejigging the carbon calcs to the new forcings for methane or sequestration of carbon by pasture? No because they only follow the science they’ve been told to. National can get stuffed.
      
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      September 15, 2023 1:03pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        https://www.newsroom.co.nz/national-plan-could-halve-nzs-ambition-on-methane
        
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        September 15, 2023 1:43pm
      - kisekiman
        
        Mark Hanley. We tend to hear a hell of a lot of “coulds” with climate change.
        
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        September 15, 2023 3:26pm
    - cmm
      
      If farmers included their products in the captured carbon this would be scientifically accurate and would make farming carbon capturing.
      Fats, proteins and carbs (ie food grown on farms) are packed with carbon captured from CO2 in the atmosphere. So too are secondary outputs like bones, hides and pea straw.
      That is then exported or whatever.
      Farmers should be getting carbon credits – not hounded.
      
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      September 15, 2023 4:45pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        I agree cmm
        
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        September 15, 2023 7:34pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      The centre right coalition in Aus tried the win/win approach. There were meeting their emissions targets! The climate grift complex and the media just kept beating the drum that the nasty conservatives weren’t doing enough about the (made up) “climate emergency”!! The fickle woke female swingers fell for it and voted in the trainwreck that is the modern left (It appears the Higgins saga pushed a lot of fickle woke swinger women to vote for stupid as well. )
      
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      September 16, 2023 2:18pm
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    To be clear, is Nicola Willis supposed to be in on this scam, or is she an innocent dupe of it?
    
    What about James Shaw? Same question.
    
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    September 15, 2023 10:08am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Never assign to malice what can explained by stupidity.
      I think it is just another variation of moral panic. Sincere, but will be looked back upon as a fashion of the times.
      
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      September 15, 2023 12:37pm
    - I remember when
      
      James will be using his MSc for his CO2 “Climate Change” calculations.
      
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      September 15, 2023 12:38pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Well said The,
  
  Carbon dioxide is essential to the planet and we are currently in a carbon dioxide drought.
  
  I hope those who down ticked you will let us know why.
  
  I’m thinking they are Pavlovian responses from the indoctrinated among us.
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:48am
- Che Guava
  
  Nationally completely onboard with both Covidmania and the climate change project, two limbs of the same tree and neither supported by any evidence demonstrating the “need” to “act” to address these pseudo-issues. They also basically accept that Maori must be “partners” with the rest of us, it’s just the details they disagree on. And for some reason, a lot of KBers are gagging to have these clowns in government. Perhaps they’d be better than the current lot, but not on any of the deeply consequential issues that really matter.
  
  If they are offering more of the same, then that is what we should expect to get.
  
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  September 15, 2023 9:08am
  - Grunter
    
    Also totally correct!
    
    Luxon’s standard reply on Global Boiling is…”Go read a book about it – its real”
    
    He may as well just say “How dare you!”
    
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    September 15, 2023 9:24am
    - Clownworld
      
      Nat is Lab. The uniparty of NZ.
      They just take turns destroying NZ according to the whims of their globalust masters of WEF and UN and WHO.
      
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      September 15, 2023 10:04am
    - Che Guava
      
      “There’s a book about it, therefore it is real” is not an argument for anything.
      
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      September 15, 2023 10:12am
    - Michael Sommerville
      
      And I would suggest that Chris Luxon reads some books from the other side of the argument so he might have a balanced understanding of the subject.
      
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      September 15, 2023 11:51am
      - Dudley Quaffquaff
        
        Which ones have you read, to give you a balanced understanding of the subject?
        
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        September 15, 2023 2:03pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        DQ do you believe the BS from Cook and Oreskes?
        
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        September 16, 2023 2:20pm
- kowtow
  
  Massive problem is fighting the scam.
  
  Even Barry Soper had a go last night on radio at yet another Act MP who has, quite rightly , questioned the narrative.
  Barry muttering how real the emergency is ,citing fires in Canada and Greece .
  Hopeless.
  
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  September 15, 2023 9:10am
  - Michael Sommerville
    
    Yes, when I heard that I was close to texting HDPA to tell her husband to do some more reading and start using some scientific knowledge, if he has any.
    
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    September 15, 2023 11:53am
- Simon
  
  Net zero will lead NZ into a developing country status with govt surveillance and control of society to help ‘save the planet”
  
  NZ facing so many head winds, too much debt, entitlement culture, Maorification, low productivity, bloated govt, declining education standards. Then add net zero. The madness can’t be turned around by the incoming National govt now reduced to gaslighting voters.
  
  Then on the side lines now are the vicious & grossly stupid left. Labo/Gweens & Maori party. They will claim all the problems are caused by the Ardern / Luxon govts not being leftwing enough. They will be in power again 6 yrs later.
  
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  September 15, 2023 9:10am
  - Grunter
    
    The ONLY way to get to Net Zero is by force.
    
    The ONLY way to implement full socialism is by force.
    
    Hmmmmm….
    
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    September 15, 2023 9:31am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      The science behind climate alarmism is shot full of holes. They only get their crap disseminated by using censorship, smearing and intimidation.
      
      The whole thing is a wet dream for the far left and eco extremist doomers. They don’t care if its a total crock because it’s working wonderfully to create a totalitarian society based on their wider delusional wet dreams.
      
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      September 16, 2023 2:23pm
  - Taieri
    
    Net zero will lead NZ into a developing country status
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    Undeveloping country…
    
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    September 15, 2023 9:51am
- Local Miller
  
  Most people buy into the climate scam because they only read the press releases and not the original documents being put out by groups like IPCC. The POC-26 report has a paragraph that explicitly states “there is no statistical evidence of increased intensity or frequency of extreme weather events”.
  Of course it then goes on to say that “climate models indicate that increased CO2 may lead to increased temperature and….. blah, blah, blah… extreme weather events”
  And all anyone hears about is what the models say.
  
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  September 15, 2023 10:42am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    The POC-26 report has a paragraph that explicitly states “there is no statistical evidence of increased intensity or frequency of extreme weather events”
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    This should be the standard response of every NACT politician when asked about climate change.
    
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    September 15, 2023 3:41pm
CJames

Installation of offshore wind turbines in the north- east USA is killing whales. This is from the sonar, piledriving and seabed disturbance for cables. The slaughter might even exterminate a species. However, Greenpeace and their political arm, the Democrats, won’t say anything about it. I wonder why? Like the onshore farms being able to kill eagles and other protected birds without penalty. Only reliable energy sources are bad.
They want to install the same plant here off the coast of Taranaki – you know, the area where net fishing is prohibited because of the threat to the sub-species of Hector dolphins. And offshore ironsand mining wasn’t allowed. There are lots of sea bird colonies there as well. Why haven’t the government said no to this proposal? Even National is quiet on the issue. Are they all anti-conservation and don’t believe in the science?
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September 15, 2023 8:01am
- peterwn
  
  They do not want nuclear power.
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:04am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It will take 3 more generations to get rid of that 60s/70s stupidity.
    
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    September 15, 2023 8:26am
    - imalwaysright
      
      S.O
      
      …or half an hour without TikTok when the power goes out!
      
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      September 15, 2023 8:52am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        When kids misbehave just take away their phone charger.
        Then watch them try to conserve battery power!
        
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        September 15, 2023 10:17am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Killing Whales for Energy is Cool Again
  
  And whale oil – especially the stuff from sperm whales – produced a clean, bright flame with no smell. In the long, cold winters of the American East Coast cities and states, whale-oil-fueled lamps lit homes and factory floors – even street lamps and the headlights of trains, and guided ships home from lighthouses.
  
  An all natural, zero-carbon product. 🙂
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:05am
  - cmm
    
    The following is classified as sustainable:
    * Chop down native forest in USA.
    * Chip it
    * Barge/rail it down to the ports
    * Load onto ships
    * Sail it over to UK.
    * Load it onto rail/trucks
    * Drive it to biomass burning plants.
    * Burn it to make electricity.
    
    If so, then surely it would also be sustainable/green to:
    * Hunt sperm whales in NZ.
    * Ship the oil to UK.
    * Burn it to make electricity.
    
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    September 15, 2023 8:24am
    - Grumpy Silver Haired Female
      
      Beggars belief doesn’t it. That governments, rightly, expect people to be so stupid. Irony much.
      
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      September 15, 2023 9:09am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Yep, That was the industry that made Nantucket island famous.
      Always wanted to go there.
      
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      September 15, 2023 10:01am
      - wsk12345
        
        Gorgeous place, lovely old houses with “windows walks” (where the wives watched for the boats to return.
        
        I’m sure it’s changed a lot in the past decade or 3 though and not for the better 🙁
        
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        September 15, 2023 11:42am
      - alwyn.a
        
        @wsk12345
        I’m sorry to correct you but I believe they were called “widows walks”, not “windows walks”. The wives certainly walked there but far to often they were waiting for boats that never returned and they found that they were widows.
        The fishing trade was incredibly dangerous.
        
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        September 15, 2023 12:40pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Forgot too mention,
      Use Fossil Fuels too Dry out wood chips.
      
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      September 15, 2023 10:03am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Even better, a local Green candidate (Kaipara) overlooking the importance of Huntly when it comes to keeping the lights on.
      
      The Melons answer, insulated caves and electric bicycles.
      
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      September 15, 2023 12:14pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yep, That was the industry that made Nantucket island famous.
    Always wanted to go there.
    
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    September 15, 2023 10:01am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I read that the other day. Turbine were driving whales into shipping lanes. Whales then dying by colliding with the ships.
  Strange thing is whales don’t collide with each other.
  Something does not pass the sniff test here.
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:24am
  - CJames
    
    What they believe is occurring is the noise of the undersea work is extremely loud to the whales’ sensitive hearing – they are supposed to be able to hear other whales 1000km away. The noise from things like sonar either damages the whales’ internal organs or they flee in panic. Hitting a ship is a lot different to bumping into another soft body.
    
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    September 15, 2023 8:36am
    - Lance
      
      Bullshit
      Whales echo-locate at 180dB… yes 180dB
      The only reason it is not louder is because above this level the water turns to steam, as in cavitates.
      Considering this level of audible assault, it is a beyond silly to suggest their heating would be damaged by wind turbine construction noise.
      I was developing hydrophones once for world leading whale researchers and they used to scoff at idiotic statements like this (which popped up on a regular basis).
      
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      September 15, 2023 9:51am
      - Master Mariner
        
        Echo locate ? Sonar i assume.
        Sperm wales will dive to 5-700 m to communicate.
        This allows them to communicate probably in excess of 1000 km etc.
        I too used to have ” whale observers” onboard during seismic operations.
        These are very loud pneumatic gun arrays.
        Never effected them too be honest.
        If anything attracted them due too curiosity durung operations.
        Following claims with interest however.
        
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        September 15, 2023 10:11am
      - CJames
        
        Lance – whales can switch their hearing off when they send out the noise.
        https://www.science.org/content/article/whales-and-dolphins-can-naturally-muffle-loud-sounds-potentially-protecting-them-sonar
        180dBA in water for the millisecond of a click is about 60J. About the same as dropping a brick from 2m. Won’t cause cavitation or water to turn to steam(well it could boil a drizzle droplet if it could be focused just on that drop). That story you picked up on is from someone who doesn’t understand energy.
        
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        September 15, 2023 12:43pm
      - CJames
        
        Here is a paper on how much noise boats make.
        https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0308597X21003870
        
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        September 15, 2023 12:45pm
      - Taieri
        
        These are very loud pneumatic gun arrays.
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        Indeed. Particularly in shallow waters or above rocky bottom. Have to hear it to believe how noisy seismic guns can be.
        
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        September 15, 2023 3:05pm
    - I remember when
      
      Haven’t seen it suggested yet but, I was wondering if once the urbines are fully operational they still have the potential to upset whale behaviour.
      Although the complaint is no longer heard in the media, many people are reportedly upset by the noise of the turbine blades or mechanical hub which can reach 105 decibels at maximum capacity.
      
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      September 15, 2023 2:58pm
      - CJames
        
        Sound is just energy. The media is important, and the speed of sound changes depending on through which media it is transmitted. With all noise, the distance from the noise decreases the “volume” by the cube law. Low frequency sounds travel but high frequency attenuates. Thats why rock bands like lots of bass. The decibel scale is not linear but a power equation. The commonly used decibel A scale (dBA) doesn’t record any energy below about 20Hz. This is above the blade pass frequency for the windmills. The windmills emit infasound – people feel it more than hear it and it goes a long way.
        
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        September 15, 2023 3:15pm
    - sealegs
      
      I,m currently in South Georgia and this season we have had a abundance of whales more so than previous years. The whales that cause us the most problems are the Orcas and Sperms as they will strip the lines, we have tried turning on our sonar and the whales completely ignore it, it dosen’t seem to deterr or effect them at all they just float along with us until going under for another feed. Sperms will atleast leave fish on line but the Orcas will eat every single fish leaving nothing, when they show up its time to run from them.
      
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      September 15, 2023 9:04pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  CJames – we’re witnessing the full might of the ‘great reset’ in operation. Everything from covid to climate to gender. All designed to destroy our systems of self governance and democracy.
  
  It’s full steam, they believe the momentum is too great and it seems like they may well be correct. Too many people are still shaking their heads and mumbling ‘conspiracy theory’ – no matter that one after another, the ‘conspiracy theories’ have all came true.
  
  Globalism is the greatest threat to humanity in centuries. Our children and grandchildren are going to be living through tumultuous times.
  Most of us who comment on this blog will be spared the worst of it.
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:25am
  - The Redbaiter
    
    “Globalism is the greatest threat to humanity in centuries.”
    
    Unfortunately the National party are completely infatuated with it. I said above the Nats have been taken over by the Green Left, but a more accurate term is “The Green Corporate Left”.
    
    Mr Luxon was CEO of Unilever Canada and Air NZ, two of the most woke corporations on the planet. He said his “proudest achievement” at Air NZ was converting the vehicle fleet to electric.
    
    He presented his party’s energy policies at the premises of a group that is the NZ agency for the Word Economic Foundation.
    
    The Nats have been completely captured by the falsely termed “renewable” energy sector, and in spite of the fact that it is causing power prices to rise all over the globe, and has proved itself to be a completely losing business proposition except for the provision of taxpayer subsidies, they’re going full tilt to impose this farce upon NZ consumers.
    
    Sure, voting for National is a better option than voting for Labour/Greens, but not by much. Little is going to change as long as the Nats remain infatuated with the utterly false concept of man caused climate change. It will probably get worse.
    
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    September 15, 2023 8:39am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I won’t be voting for either the Nats or Act. Call me obtuse, but their head in the sand covid stance precludes both of them. Their ‘climate’ positions only make matters worse.
      
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      September 15, 2023 9:09am
      - David Garrett
        
        Clan: So who are you going to vote for then – the Great Charlatan? You really believe he would be a positive force in government?
        
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        September 15, 2023 10:00am
      - NothingLeft
        
        Every other option is worse for NZ
        
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        September 15, 2023 10:48am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        David Garrett – I honestly don’t know for sure. Liz Gunn is saying the right things and is more trustworthy than Winston. Is it a wasted vote? Maybe this time, but other parties started from a low base and got there eventually, Greens and Act being the obvious example.
        If everybody keeps saying “wasted vote” is a self fulfilling prophecy.
        Maybe it’s 3% this time, then next time people might think their vote isn’t wasted?
        It could go to Peters, he’s saying all the right things about co-governance and covid.
        If he reneges as most on this blog think then that sucks.
        But I can’t vote for Act because of Seymour’s lies around all cause excess mortality and I can’t vote for National because of their refusal to even discuss the covid issues, and probably more importantly, Luxon’s apparent devotion to net zero and his acquiescence to the whole co-governance nightmare.
        
        I refuse to hold my nose and vote for people I don’t respect, right now I have zero respect for Luxon and Seymour.
        I’ve got to be able to live with myself.
        
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        September 15, 2023 3:08pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Oh fgs here we go, we are a country that relies 100% on global activity, we are not at a scale to be self sufficient, you really are stating to make me wonder if you are a Tamaki supporter, mind you, no mention from you about that pathetic mouth of Seymour bleeding Act support to Nats and NZF
      
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      September 15, 2023 9:56am
      - Grunter
        
        ???
        I need a translator please (again)
        
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        September 15, 2023 10:52am
      - Dougal10
        
        [Mod – debate without making it personal]
        
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        September 15, 2023 11:41am
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        An obsession with a recent decline of ACT seems to be causing far more glee than any decline of Labour. Very odd.
        
        Sad to see people here talking about ‘Actoids’ and “agents of Seymour” on this forum.
        LOL. About as useful as labelling people “Natards”.
        
        Even with National in such a strong position, which any sensible person would think is a good thing, there is lots a tedious tribal obsession here akin to exalting pure saints and pelting sinners which is more fitting to a religious zealot than a talking politics.
        There is far more in common here than seperates us.
        Sad. Toxic. Misguided. Monotonous posting.
        
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        September 15, 2023 12:48pm
      - Ghost
        
        Perhaps you should also point this out to the act people who come in daily to do the same attacks on national that G does on act. Both sides are as bad as each other and ignore the fact that both parties are needed to form a government and the politicians from act and national get on really well
        
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        September 15, 2023 1:00pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Ghost,
        The likes of Simon and Redbaiter can be put into that camp too, around National bashing beyond any sense of proportion.
        But there is a certain lashing out at other posters on this blog, a vast conspiracy (with ACT agents here), plenty of spelling mistakes and rude words and insulting descriptives, that mean I posted here in reply.
        Whaaddaboutism doesn’t in itself achieve much.
        I suggest you respond to those people (as I have) rather than trying to deflect my own posts, since you have a point; but so do I.
        
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        September 15, 2023 2:50pm
      - Ghost
        
        Just ignore their posts as I do, but don’t attack G alone when others are doing it. G has calmed it down a fair bit this week. Who cares if he makes spelling mistakes.
        
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        September 15, 2023 2:57pm
  - Lee C
    
    How about this?
    
    https://hatchardreport.media/we-are-all-set-for-more-of-the-same-and-it-wont-be-pretty/
    
    Luxon wnat 95% vaccination offering greater incentives to GP ‘bonus payments’ to encourage patients to take the jab.
    
    Meanwhile apparently healthy people continue drop dead for no apparent reason.
    
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    September 15, 2023 8:44am
    - Ghost
      
      I have no problem with this, it’s wrong to twist it into covid, it is getting childhood vaccinations back up
      
      Improved immunisation. 95% of two-year-olds to get their full age-appropriate immunisations.
      
      Article
      
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      September 15, 2023 8:54am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Spend the money rebuilding trust. You shouldn’t need to bribe doctors to prescribe drugs. That is an alarmingly slippery slope.
        
        Here’s the problem. Vaccination incentives and persuasions abounded during Covid, and Kiwis lost trust. It won’t be regained using the same tactics that lost it. Companies use ‘incentive payments’ to motivate their sales force. Persuade more people to buy the product and the bonus is yours, so get out there and sell, sell, sell. We need to be able to trust doctors more than we trust salespeople.
        
        Worth reading the whole article.
        
        https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/09/14/sorry-doc-youre-paid-to-say-that/
        
        Watch the series ‘Painkiller’ re Oxycontin. Same shit.
        Telling people, ‘you can trust us on this one even though we lied about the other one’ won’t cut it.
        
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        September 15, 2023 9:06am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Exactly, Luxon made it quite clear that this was about childhood immunisation, the rates have become atrocious the 6 years, look what happens when measles breaks out here now, it’s panic stations, this stupid post from him is clear this is an orchestrated smear from ACT supporters, and it’s now back firing big time
        
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        September 15, 2023 10:03am
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        How on earth can this discussion about childhood vaccination be turned into an accusation against ACT vis a vis the Nats?
        And what precisely is the evil you think they have done in this instance, and how does it benefit them?
        
        It seems there is 3D chess from sinister-Seymour behind any discussion around Nat policy, where anything less than unquestioningly worshipping it. Even a sober or moderate discussion like this will trigger an accusation.
        Very very odd. Unhealthy perhaps.
        
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        September 15, 2023 12:55pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Indeed; childhood immunisation was at more than 95% when National left office. By 2022, it was down to 88%, and during that time we had a measles epidemic which sadly spread from South Auckland to Samoa, resulting in the death of dozens of children.
        
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        September 15, 2023 1:01pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      That is a truly disgusting policy. They should be spending their time trying to rebuild trust in our health system, not repeating the gross Labour policies of bribing people to do what should be done voluntarily because you trust your doctor.
      
      This causes me to be even less likely to visit a doctor. Every time they want to give me something I’ll be wondering if they are doing it due to the financial incentive.
      
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      September 15, 2023 8:57am
      - Ghost
        
        $10 per vaccination isn’t going to be much of a bribe but will help pay the nurse giving the vaccine
        
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        September 15, 2023 9:09am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Ghost – I understand the thinking, but it is an extremely dangerous thin end of the wedge imo. Not a road anyone wants to go down.
        Trust is extremely easy to lose, very difficult to regain, as the media, politicians and the health authorities are rapidly finding out.
        
        More ‘financial incentives’ exacerbate the problem.
        
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        September 15, 2023 9:13am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        As opposed to your lie it’s covid jab he was pushing
        
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        September 15, 2023 10:06am
      - Local Miller
        
        G from D
        Clan didn’t push the idea that Luxon was pushing the C19 jab, go back and read the posts. You’re just pushing “misinformation”.
        Hi point was that the policy of paying doctors to encourage vaccinations is bad because this was used for C19 and people lost trust in doctors. Something I agree with. A similar idea is why no one trusts a used car salesman. They have too much invested in getting the sale across the line, so the perception is they will lie to the customer.
        His other point is that government should be rebuilding the lost trust, and you don’t do this by doing more of the same poor policy, you need to change to a better policy. Personally one of honesty would work. If Luxon and/or Seymour were to admit that mistakes were made, the vax wasn’t safe or effective, mandates didn’t work and they will investigate excess mortality and potential jax deaths, I would consider voting for one of these parties.
        They also need to declare that the sate will not coerce the medical fraternity to follow the sate approved agenda. Also that any new vax will under go local testing before being approved, and only based on full disclosure from the supplier on their testing. No secret contracts!
        To get people taking historical vaccines will require a concerted public campaign.
        
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        September 15, 2023 11:24am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      [Leave out the gutter language. mod.]
      
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      September 15, 2023 9:59am
    - wsk12345
      
      Frankly measles isn’t an issue in NZ, it’s an issue in parts of Aotearoa eg south Auckland. It’s an issue where people have poor immune function and love in over crowded damp conditions. Same with meningitis – when did you last hear of a case in wider NZ?
      
      If I had kids today I don’t think I’d bother with vaccinations at all. Whooping cough went through my local school a few years back. The only kids not to get it was apparently unvaccinated (for everything)….no correlation is not causation but with the covid debacle I am now questioning – and yes, doing my own research into – everything I once accepted as fact.
      
      I doubt I’m alone in this.
      
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      September 15, 2023 11:48am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Exactly. The causes and negative outcomes of most diseases we vaccinate for are related to living conditions. Fix the problem instead of slapping on band aids.
        
        I used to have total trust in health authorities and even pharmaceutical companies. The last 3 years have been a stunning eye opener. Never again.
        
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        September 16, 2023 7:46am
  - Che Guava
    
    “All designed to destroy our systems of self governance and democracy.”
    
    These have already been destroyed. How can we deduce this? Look at all of the shit that gets forced on us despite it conflicting with the democratic will of the people. Either the “democratic will” is manufactured by the heavily curated media apparatus, or where it isn’t, it is diligently ignored. There is simply too much at stake to the few to allow the many to determine anything.
    
    Politics (in the broadest sense) determines public opinion, public opinion doesn’t determine politics.
    
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    September 15, 2023 9:22am
  - Grunter
    
    This crap is too well advanced to stop it I’m afraid. Add in MMT and out of control debt mountain to the list.
    
    A Nats/ACT govt may slow things down a little here in NZ compared to a radical Labour/Greens/Maori govt, but this is a global movement. An unstoppable out of control freight train.
    
    It will ultimately fail of course, no doubt in my mind about that at all. At some stage this craziness hits the brick wall of reality. Just like all previous attempts at central control/communism/weird race based stuff (Russia, China, Germany, etc)
    
    The bit that no one can predict is how crazy will it get, the exact timelines to chaos and what do we end up with in say 15 years’ time once this collapses and we cycle into the next phase?
    
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    September 15, 2023 9:43am
  - emmess
    
    I guess that is the book that Luxon wants us to read but if you do then you are a conspiracy theorist
    
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    September 15, 2023 10:47am
  - Ra Henare
    
    CJ James and other KB Goldfish swimmers(ie not looking outs side your echo box)
    
    I wander down to my market and talk to the “guys & Girls”” in the pub.
    
    Nobody is talking
    Climate change the end of the world.
    Covid is killing everyone
    race based privilege.
    Personal pronouns and gender choice.
    equity
    
    But what they do talk about is
    Costs of fuel
    Cost of food
    Cost of health
    Crime
    State of the roads
    
    General gossip
    
    I suspect that most non western countries fall in to a similar boat.
    All the problems being beaten to death(on this forum) are irrelevant when you live in a country where a large % of the population is living in poverty.
    
    China understands this very well and have dragged 100s of millions of people out of poverty by concentrating on producing energy (they dont give a stuff if its renewable as long as it is energy which is desperately needed).
    
    Looking forward to emailing in my vote toc hange this lot and hopefully the OVERTON window will open wide enough on 15th October to get some reality back in to the land I love.
    
    Meanwhile I will pop down to my local market and pickup a dozen eggs ($3nzd) plentiful supply, veggies at $1.75 NZD kg then walk back to my modern furnished and serviced one bedroom apartment, with balcony $82NZD a week (includes water, hi-speed internet, security parking etc).
    
    Might go for a swim this afternoon(year round activity) then pop down to the pub later for a beer($1.25-1.26NZD a glass)
    
    :-):-)
    
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    September 15, 2023 1:42pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      Where do you reside? Thailand?
      
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      September 15, 2023 2:52pm
  - Sacha
    
    Indeed Clan McCoy. I am 87 – (how on earth did that happen – and where did the years go?)
    I am resigned to the idea that my 5 children, who are in their 60’s will see the end of society and culture as we have known it and I am quite pleased (now) that they have not bred multitudes of children who will have to live their later lives in the new society.
    
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    September 15, 2023 6:58pm
- cmm
  
  It is probably more than the construction stuff too.
  Whales communicate and navigate using low frequency sound. The communication helps them to keep together as a group and find each other even when many miles apart.
  
  The vibrations of a spinning wind turbine generates low frequency sound waves which will mess with whale navigation and communications.
  
  But, hey, it also chops up sea birds and feeds the local sharks so that’s a win. Right?
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:31am
- Master Mariner
  
  Been following as well.
  The Sums do not add up for an offshore windfarm in Taranaki and likely not get off the ground.
  The installation and maintenance costs require specialised vessels and crew.
  We simply do not have the capabilities.
  Pretty simple maths.
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:45am
  - wsk12345
    
    Agree. The economics are not bad for onshore sites. Offshore will be triple the cost. Yes might get more consistent wind but you’d get most of the benefit from building in diverse parts of the land. It’s consistency that’s a problem with onshore wind, not wind strength.
    
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    September 15, 2023 11:54am
- Random T Person
  
  Hilarious. Their ends justify the means, but the ends of anyone else…no sirree.
  
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  September 15, 2023 9:24am
- Lance
  
  Sonar from wind turbines is killing whales?
  Piledriving is killing whales?
  Please explain
  
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  September 15, 2023 9:43am
- kisekiman
  
  You should see all the land in South Island that is coming out of first rotation pine forests. The land looks totally raped, like a nuke was detonated above it with no groumd cover whatsoever and slash everywhere. So much for soil conservation. And this is being sold as some kind of green land use. GTFOH.
  
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  September 15, 2023 12:46pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

India: Man arrested after 58 years for stealing buffaloes.

If only our police were as diligent.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-66805342
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September 15, 2023 8:02am
- Kiwiguy
  
  That’s unusually diligent for the Indian police…
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:45am
- kowtow
  
  There’ll be way more to that story than meets the eye .
  
  I suspect the accused didn’t have enough cash to keep the cops at bay.
  
  Meanwhile here in NZ our police have been kept busy ;
  
  yesterday alone the media reported a slew of cases including immigration fraud , defrauding the taxpayer , migrant exploitation and there’s a very high profile attempt murder case in Auckland involving inter Sikh rivalries .
  
  Even Jack Lame in last night’s debate referenced very directly problems with “low skill” migrants . Will he be called out as a racist ?
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:50am
- 7kiwi11
  
  Meanwhile in NZ police ask that a scumbag thief , caught red handed and already conveniently apprehended, be let go.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-news-publisher-todd-scott-tackles-and-holds-thief-in-citizens-arrest-police-tell-him-to-let-crook-go/W5W6WJKOAFELVHGMMJJYIA7IDQ/
  
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  September 15, 2023 9:00am
  - ISeeRed
    
    https://communitylaw.org.nz/community-law-manual/chapter-34-common-crimes/shoplifting/the-shops-powers-and-your-rights/
    
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    September 15, 2023 10:51am
    - rouppe
      
      Those provisions relate to detaining the offender.
      
      However the security guard should be able to prevent the removal of goods from the property (S53). That is grab and hold onto the bags, trolley etc, but not hit or injure them.
      
      S53 Every one in peaceable possession of any movable thing under a claim of right, and every one acting under his or her authority, is protected from criminal responsibility for defending his or her possession by the use of reasonable force, even against a person entitled by law to possession, if he or she does not strike or do bodily harm to the other person.
      
      When the offender starts becoming violent, then you start getting into assault.
      S192(1) Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years who assaults any other person with intent—
      (a) to commit or facilitate the commission of any imprisonable offence;
      
      S223 Punishment of theft
      Every one who commits theft (except under section 220A) is liable as follows:
      (a) in the case of any offence against section 220, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years; or
      (b) if the value of the property stolen exceeds $1,000, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years; or
      (c) if the value of the property stolen exceeds $500 but does not exceed $1,000, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 1 year; or
      (d) if the value of the property stolen does not exceed $500, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 months.
      
      So: see thief walking out. Seek to restrain the property being stolen (not the thief). Thief swings at you. They have committed an assault to facilitate the theft, even if it’s imprisonable by only 3 months.
      
      The term of imprisonment for the assault S192(1) is 3 years, and so you then qualify for S35 Every one is justified in arresting without warrant—
      (a) any person whom he or she finds committing any offence against this Act for which the maximum punishment is not less than 3 years’ imprisonment:
      
      The only downside being you have to draw the assault.
      
      Having said that, I am not a lawyer or a cop it’s just a reading of the legislation
      
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      September 15, 2023 1:17pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    Scott interviewed on The Platform this morning:
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV0LNmkrTEc
    
    This case is instructive and alarming all at once. The law around CA is that it can only be done at night or if by day the offence is punishable by a maximum of three years imprisonment.
    
    I can’t quite work out why the night/day distinction. Is it because fewer police are on duty at night and response time is an issue? Apparently the store manager and Scott were told the police would not be attending the incident and the thief must be let go. So we have the same conditions as if it were at night. Police are so stretched and unresponsive that they simply won’t respond.
    
    The security guards, four of them, all stood around Scott in a cordon as he held the thief down, yet not one of them took over from him. Obviously they knew the law and didn’t want to get involved.
    
    That’s a sickening indictment of the law and the state of our social cohesiveness. Scott ain’t a young man. As he said, he’s glad he now lives in Fiji, and he didn’t have to become involved. Yet he did. His instinct was to do the right thing.
    
    But why bother if this is the result? Don’t get involved. Turn your head and walk on. Let the thugs steal, and assault and cause mayhem. Just leave it to the cops who usually won’t respond.
    
    We don’t want vigilantes but there’s a big difference between Charles Bronson roaming the streets with a .45 revolver and cowering down while watching your country turn to shit.
    
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    September 15, 2023 12:26pm
kiwikidsnz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300970685/no-significant-donations-to-the-labour-party-from-businesses-in-over-two-years

“The last time businesses donated to the Labour Party was 2020. Rorohara Farms, linked to Mainfrieght’s Bruce Plested, donated $25,000 and property companies Tirohonga Holdings and GRL Holdings, both linked to Greg Loveridge, donated $25,000 each.”

Sir Bob Jones has acknowledged in his weblog that he & Loveridge donated $50k to save the 2017 Labour party in the interests of NZ democracy

https://nopunchespulled.com/2023/09/14/political-donations/#more-5532
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September 15, 2023 8:06am
- pdm
  
  kk – what a shame they did that.
  
  New Zealand would be a better place without 6 years of the Labour Government mismanagement and flawed ideology.
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:34am
- cmm
  
  Doesn’t Sir Bob understand yet how democracy works?
  
  Democracy is supposed to be a feedback cycle – a Darwinian survival of the fittest:
  * The parties and policies that people like thrive.
  * The parties and politics that people do not like do not thrive. They either shrivel up or change.
  
  Whenever you put a thumb on the scales you are interfering with that, be it through the MSM (or Bob) interfering in politics or welfare that takes away incentives to improve.
  
  That interference might give a short term “win”, but it makes things worse in the longer term.
  
  If they had not “saved” Labour back then then maybe Labour would have had to learn the lessons it hasn’t learned yet. Labour would likely be far stronger, and better, now. And National would be better too because they would be competing with a stronger Labour.
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:39am
  - Master Mariner
    
    I think people such as Sir Bob fully understand / appreciate the law of unintended consequences.
    In his case, More office space for a growing Beurocracy, emergency accommodation etc etc.
    
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    September 15, 2023 8:49am
    - cmm
      
      In his case it is the law of intended consequences.
      
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      September 15, 2023 9:44am
      - david
        
        Absolutely. I suspect that the last 6 years have been extremely productive for Bob’s enterprises.
        
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        September 15, 2023 10:33am
  - nathie
    
    Interestingly the Left and MSM narrative to this day is that Labour and Lange won the 1984 election and kicked out Muldoon.
    
    However if one looks at the electorate votes at the time, Bob Jones’ NZ Party ousted many of the sitting National MP’s, paving the way for a Labour victory (as of course under FPP, the NZ Party didn’t make it into Parliament).
    
    Whilst Bob Jones got what he wanted – Labour adopting his free-market economic plan – NZ also inherited the other radical Labour changes impacting health, education, law and order, discipline, collective defence and gave us Geoffrey Palmer (undefined Treaty principles, anyone?) and setup the ascendancy of H1 to change the NZ landscape for the next 3 decades.
    
    It always pays to be aware of unintended consequences!
    
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    September 15, 2023 9:43am
- kowtow
  
  One of those guys was Nashy’s cashey.
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:52am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Mainfreight had the COVID jab contract, and all the masks and PPE, the Labour government also wanted costal shipping, snd guess who the sole company was going to be? Funny coastal shipping has never been heard of again, and after the road washouts, it was possibly an idea to get stuff moving from larger cities, once again, Mainfreight would have had the monopoly
  
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  September 15, 2023 10:13am
- Local Miller
  
  And Hellen Clark also tipped the scales this election by running a fund raiser and doubling what was raised. I’m not sure what the final figures were but I’ve found a figure of $400,000 in a week.
  
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  September 15, 2023 11:36am
kowtow

Another day and we’ve witnessed the continued , relentless media pursuit of Nats tax cut details .

Fine , but they haven’t questioned Labour’s spending at all . Or cooking the PREFU books .You see they saved us from the plague and are therefor untouchable , blasphemous even to think it!
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September 15, 2023 8:07am
- Tricati
  
  I thought Nicola Willis might have said to Robertson last night, as he shouted over her, that she had trouble focusing as her eyes were dizzy watching the debt Calculator outside the venue when she walked in. At $3 million a minute and $74 a day, get Robbo to explain that.
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:25am
- nathie
  
  Agreed.
  
  Although after seeing the news yesterday I think Nicola Willis should reflect and perhaps walk back her criticism of economist Michael Reddell (eg she could simply say the two parties have differing opinions).
  
  OTOH I think Michael Reddell should also reflect on being part of a group that the MSM is more than willing to use to bash National, but then that same MSM always ignore his critiques of Labour and Grant Robertson’s handling of the economy, may not be the best use of his time as he is being manipulated by the Left leaning MSM and by association Labour and Grant Robertson!
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:33am
  - Prince
    
    Perhaps National should just pick some phrases from his criticisms of Robertson over the years and recite them back to the media, asking if Labour agrees with that ?
    
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    September 15, 2023 10:20am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Why? Reddell is a greenie, they hate tax cuts
    
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    September 15, 2023 10:33am
- Mrs_Right
  
  With the cost of living and mortgage rates going up people are desperate for some help and majority don’t care if those tax cuts proposed by National aren’t fiscally neutral.
  
  I’m sick to death hearing about this ‘hole’ in National’s tax policy!
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:35am
  - Paulus
    
    We will continue to hear about National’s Tax cuts and fiscal hole as designated by some political Economists daily right up to the election.
    Nothing about Labour’s destruction of New Zealand.
    
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    September 15, 2023 9:41am
  - mogg
    
    It’s orchestrated, the fat man ‘doth protest too much’
    
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    September 15, 2023 10:49am
    - Hard Cheese
      
      Yep, the NZ Herald is pushing the story for dear life, it’s painfully obvious. Today they’ve dragged in Audrey Young to write about it
      
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      September 15, 2023 1:58pm
      - Hard Cheese
        
        And now a story from Mike Moore on the same thing. The Herald have given up pretending
        
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        September 15, 2023 4:09pm
- Vinicius
  
  Be too much to expect the media to read some of the bank’s analysis of the PREFU and provide some balanced coverage for a change. For example, Westpac challenge some of the assumptions made by the Treasury and Robertson. As do ANZ.
  
  https://www.westpac.co.nz/assets/Business/tools-rates-fees/documents/economic-updates/2023/Bulletins/Economic-Data_PREFU-review_bulletin_12Sep23.pdf
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:43am
  - nathie
    
    Also economist Robert MacCulloch has critiqued PREFU and Grant Robertson’s spin.
    
    https://www.downtoearth.kiwi/post/has-grant-robertson-got-a-hole-in-his-forecast-for-5-million-kiwis-but-not-for-100-000-immigrants
    
    Also interviewed by Kerre Woodham explaining things in a “down to earth manner”. 🙂
    
    “”It doesn’t add up”: Macroeconomics Professor on the Prefu “.
    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/kerre-woodham-mornings/audio/robert-macculloch-auckland-university-professor-of-macroeconomics-on-the-pre-election-economic-and-fiscal-update/
    
    Of course, totally ignored by the big Media Parties …
    
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    September 15, 2023 9:28am
  - Vinicius
    
    BNZ’s PREFU analysis is here:
    
    https://www.bnz.co.nz/assets/markets/research/BNZMO_20230911.pdf?a2217b4bec3e1ba40a9adb35d7e8a442d2c96912
    
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    September 15, 2023 10:23am
Kiwiguy

Some interesting comments from Bob Jones, link to article at the bottom.

“I believe we will face a similar issue after the coming election with Labour’s permanent demise on the cards, such will be the thrashing they will deservedly receive”

“The next Labour PM is not in the house yet but will probably emerge after the 2026 election”

https://nopunchespulled.com/2023/09/14/political-donations/
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September 15, 2023 8:07am
- PeeJay
  
  The funny thing is that while Jones believes in the two party system as necessary for democracy, you can be bloody certain that if National were on the financial ropes (or ACT), Labour would relish this state of affairs and do everything possible to bring about National’s permanent demise.
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:44am
  - rockape
    
    You can be sure if they had an overall majority ever again we would see changes to election voting rules to favour the unions ,ban businesses and large dinners and reducing the voting age. All to ensure they stuff National.
    
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    September 15, 2023 8:58am
  - kowtow
    
    Labour have done so much .
    They bought off the media ( not that they needed to)
    And despite that the centre right are ascendant .
    
    Scary thing is what the left might do . In the US they used postal voting under the guise of a health “emergency” for ballot harvesting .
    
    Democracy is too fragile for this gerrymandering to be allowed to carry on unhindered and unremarked.
    
    Already in NZ local govt boards have been overthrown by the inclusion of unelected and unaccountable to the voters race appointees.
    
    All in the name of the non existant principles of t o w and “equity” .
    
    The very principles of democracy have been destroyed and no one seems to give a rats.
    
    This is a literal coup against the constitution.
    
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    September 15, 2023 9:01am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    “National’s permanent demise” … you say it like it’s a bad thing. Who knows – they might be replaced by an actual conservative party.
    
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    September 15, 2023 10:40am
  - Local Miller
    
    What I don’t understand is why bob Jones thinks his “two party system” must include Liebour. With National more a left of centre party now, and ACT the right of centre party, plus Greens, Maori and rats & mice, we’ll still have a 2 party system.
    Personally I think Liebour should be allowed to die if they can’t sustain themselves. We’d be far better off as a country if they did.
    
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    September 15, 2023 11:48am
- imalwaysright
  
  So that rules out Luxon !
  
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  September 15, 2023 9:04am
Ipanema69

Riding the bus to work.

We have a serious issue with obesity in this country. There are four obese AGG students on this bus.

Whatever happenned to parental responsibility?
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September 15, 2023 8:08am
- RRM
  
  That uncomfortable feeling when someone with 69 in his username is talking sbout schoolgirls’ bodies.
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:50am
  - kowtow
    
    The obesity epidemic is real and a massive threat to our health system , more so than the scamdemic ever was.
    
    To attempt to silence a debate with that sort of innuendo is troubling.
    
    Meanwhile Dove in the USA has gone very woke.
    
    ‘The beauty giant has partnered with a Black Lives Matter activist to promote “fat liberation,” after she was accused of wrongfully getting a white student expelled from her university over a “misheard” remark.’
    
    https://nypost.com/2023/09/14/dove-partners-with-blm-activist-zyanha-bryant-to-promote-fat-liberation/
    
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    September 15, 2023 9:07am
    - mawm
      
      Dove’s parent company is Unilever. That’s the same woke company that Luxon worked for.
      
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      September 15, 2023 12:10pm
  - sparkhole
    
    I think Ipanema69 is a car. Its bit like Mustang67 or Chevy55
    
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    September 15, 2023 11:29am
    - waikatosinger
      
      … the girl from Ipanema goes walking …
      
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      September 15, 2023 12:17pm
- kisekiman
  
  Feminists believe women can do anything…except lose weight.
  
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  September 15, 2023 4:05pm
artemisia

Thinking about foreign buyers tax revenue. While I have no idea how National and those economists came up with their numbers, or what they consider demand might be, did they count up the number of homes already valued at over $2mill? And the impacts of a local ageing population selling up, and of willing, wealthy, older foreign buyers and their families.

Just in my street of 80 homes there would be at least 50 that would sell over the $2mill. Pretty much all the rest would be close and many more in the suburb. Wellington city fringe suburb. So not Auckland or Queenstown. One of the economists quoted in the media, Mr Warburton, suggested some foreign buyers might be willing to pay $2m for a $1.5m home. Plenty at $1.5m in the country. Anyway increased demand in that price range will push prices up anyway, even if paying more initially is just pocket change.

We are also beginning to see high end full service retirement communities like The Helier. If these apartments fall within the foreign buyer criteria there could be serious demand from foreign buyers and their family members. And readily scalable. Believe the least expensive of the 80 units there is touching on the $2mill, with (expensive) care if required privately funded by occupants. Think I saw that the most expensive sold before completion for about $5mill. Did the economists consider that scenario, aka if we build it they will come?

Guess I am saying there could be demand, and current or new supply to meet it. A potential sea change for New Zealand on several fronts.
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September 15, 2023 8:08am
- Colville
  
  I think its purpose built developments around a golf course (like where Key owns) or on a nice Northland beach where sections are $2mil+ that the new tax will really make money.
  People at the top end just DGAF about the 15% and will buy something special just because they want to.
  Let them buy it and they will come. and spend!!
  
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  September 15, 2023 9:07am
  - Paulus
    
    Understand that Estate Agents have already been asked re selling the new houses they had to buy, now they can go upmarket, and they not interested in having to pay a tax to get what they property they want .
    It is the property for which they are prepared to pay.
    
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    September 15, 2023 9:47am
kiwikidsnz

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/09/election-2023-labour-to-campaign-on-overhauling-consent-laws-put-onus-to-prove-victim-said-yes-to-alleged-perpetrator.html

Guilty until proven innocent

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cumbria-64150026
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September 15, 2023 8:10am
- cmm
  
  So from now on have foursomes only and take your lawyer along.
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:41am
  - Colville
    
    so a five way??
    would it be cheaper to have the lawyer on zoom?
    
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    September 15, 2023 9:09am
    - cmm
      
      I was thinking that maybe the lawyers could be the second couple.
      
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      September 15, 2023 9:16am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Monetise those assets!
      
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      September 15, 2023 9:32am
  - Random T Person
    
    I’m still trying to deal with disappointing one woman at a time, thanks.
    
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    September 15, 2023 9:32am
- thirteenstars
  
  Was always going to happen. All men are rapists, and that’s the position of the Left and has been for quite some time.
  
  The whole #metoo thing, and the strange recent fixation on “consent”, is just the latest cog in a mechanism to put men on the stand in court and require them to prove the *didn’t* rape, or for that matter that they didn’t do a whole range of things.
  
  #metoo was about “believe all women” which in itself is a reversal of the burden of proof. The consent movement is about entrapment. The goal is to create victims where none exist. Every woman can claim lack of consent if she so chooses. Men can’t. The physiological reasons for that should be obvious.
  
  So you have the means of entrapment followed by criminal procedures that require proof of innocence, happening within an ideological context of all men being rapists by their very nature.
  
  Labour also announced policies to have trial by jury made even more difficult than it is now, and to allow class action lawsuits which is all about activism.
  
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  September 15, 2023 1:31pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Once again special rules for some.

“Exceptions to the no-take rules include kina harvesting and activities linked to research, restoration and tikanga – such as customary fishing.”
Why?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/northland-regional-council-confirms-bay-of-islands-fishing-ban-formally-adopted/ar-AA1gGmmq
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September 15, 2023 8:10am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Steve, you know perfectly ‘why’.
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:12am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Others may not know.
    Anyone who challenges this is racist.
    
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    September 15, 2023 8:43am
- sirknz
  
  Got no issues with exceptions for customary rights, just so long as they use the customary tools and methods to gather. If they are using any tools introduced post colonialism, then it is not customary.
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:18am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So no soft baits, crank baits, jigs, spinners, poppers, flies.
    Then, no mono or braid, no electric reels, two/three speed reels.
    No outboard motors.
    Where do I stop?
    
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    September 15, 2023 8:53am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Don’t forget the four wheeled waka to get to there.
      
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      September 15, 2023 9:09am
    - Colville
      
      Forget all that shit Steve…its the SCUBA to get paua that needs to stop.
      
      Down here…Waimarama… total take ban…and rahui…and still the boat with the tatooed f*****ts goes out every day and get a sack full.
      
      No one stops them because of the patches and they WILL burn your house down.
      
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      September 15, 2023 9:12am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I have see that when I was younger. Kawhia.
        Two boats, one with paua and snorkles, the other boat with SCUBA gear.
        They don’t know each other of course.
        
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        September 15, 2023 9:19am
    - kowtow
      
      No vehicles to get to or from the coast .
      
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      September 15, 2023 9:16am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Steel warps, polyethelene netting, Dyneema, Nylon cod ends, Engines, compressors, Gps, etc etc.
      The list is endless Steve O.
      
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      September 15, 2023 10:27am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Braid is Dyneema. The blue winch rope for winding a boat in, is dyneema.
        Amazingly strong stuff.
        
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        September 15, 2023 11:34am
  - Che Guava
    
    If we are intent on importing Maori concepts into the British-derived legal system, then that is one thing; introducing them but applying them only to some people and not to others is another thing entirely.
    
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    September 15, 2023 10:39am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  This has been in the law since the late 1980’s, so have been in existence for nearly 40 years. It was part of the customary fisheries settlements under the Treaty of Waitangi. Done pursuant to Article 2 which provides for protection of lands and fisheries.
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:22am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Does that make it right? Do non maori not need to feed their family too?
    
    I live in an area that may be affected. Do you think I should sit by while my maori neighbour can get a feed for his family but I can’t? What part of that is not racist Wayne?
    
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    September 15, 2023 8:40am
  - cmm
    
    Sometimes laws need to be changed.
    At the time ToW was written there was no concept of overfishing or marine reserves.
    
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    September 15, 2023 8:43am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yep Doug Kidd destroyed NZ fishing by introducing quota.
    20% given too IWI,s under the disguise of a settlement.
    Its beyond repair.
    NZ fishing community was sacrificed for Maori.
    World leading at the time and now gutted.
    Desteoyed my livelyhood and went overseas to make a decent dollar.
    Yes Wayne, I know Damn well.
    
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    September 15, 2023 8:57am
    - kowtow
      
      And how much quota , which was meant , if I’m not mistaken , to get young Maoris into employment has been sold to Russian , Korean , Chinese interests .
      
      Much of it highly exploited and in very oppressive circumstances.
      
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      September 15, 2023 9:18am
      - Master Mariner
        
        The lot pretty much.
        The destruction of The once proud NZ Deep sea fleet which is in tattors now.
        Example.
        I was on 56k in 1985. The job pays exactly the same now.
        Hidden under the ” share of catch/ Bonus”.
        So much so , it is considered slave labour.
        Absolutely destroyed . Hence overseas for me at the time,
        S africa, Falklands, Aleautians, China, Aus, Argentina, Namibia and the N Pacific etc etc.
        Nothing in NZ due to shite pay.
        Retrained to Merchant Seafaring and now back here due to Micky Mouse Covid Disinformation Policies.
        
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        September 15, 2023 10:36am
      - Jack5
        
        Plenty of whaling history in NZ, but mostly ignored these days, thanks to Green extremism.
        
        Among the more exotic remnants are relics of the Norwegian Antarctic whaling base at Stewart Island, now part of tourist excursions.
        
        When I was young I met a Norwegian who had served on a chaser and married a Southland girl. They spent World War 2 in occupied Norway.
        
        https://www.odt.co.nz/lifestyle/magazine/whale-tale
        
        And in case, Master Mariner, you haven’t caught up yet with the resurrection and surprisingly high popularity among world young people of an Otago whaling shanty:
        
        https://youtu.be/qP-7GNoDJ5c?si=gO4r0ehx32wRivld
        
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        September 15, 2023 12:55pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        @Jack5.
        Thanks, if interested about chase boats for whaling. Check out this video.
        Its my father actually.
        Google “the ship that shoud’nt have”.
        Also French pass has a Rich whaling history.
        Ive been too Eden NSW where they have the bones of Old Jack.
        Killer whale that would tow the boats out.
        
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        September 15, 2023 3:05pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You do know that the current Waitangi Tribunal Treaty has “forestries and fisheries” added on by Sir Hugh Kawharu, whereas the original had no mention?
    Best you learn something from Julian Batchelor.
    
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    September 15, 2023 8:57am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      53 minutes of education for you Wayne Mapp.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVgY03s6Tqc
      
      Careful, some people don’t like the truth – it makes them angry.
      
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      September 15, 2023 9:06am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        As I am sure you would expect, I have read just about every legal book and article on the Treaty, plus all the leading court decisions. So I can’t really imagine that I need to see 53 minutes of a youtube video as part of my education on the legal meaning of the Treaty.
        
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        September 15, 2023 10:39am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        So which version is the true version? Waitangi Tribunal with addons from Kawharu and Palmer, or the Original in Maori and the Littlewood Draft?
        Simple question really.
        
        Try the 53 minutes, you may be surprised of the corruption.
        No Waitangi Tribunal Treaty and the gravy train stops!
        
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        September 15, 2023 11:39am
  - Burtland
    
    The Second
    The Queen of England agrees to protect the chiefs, the subtribes and all the people of New Zealand in the unqualified exercise of their chieftainship over their lands, villages and all their treasures. But on the other hand the chiefs of the Confederation and all the chiefs will sell land to the Queen at a price agreed to by the person owning it and by the person buying it (the latter being) appointed by the Queen as her purchase agent.
    
    https://teara.govt.nz/en/document/4216/the-three-articles-of-the-treaty-of-waitangi
    
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    September 15, 2023 9:06am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Burtland,
      From your link:
      
      “Article the second
      Her Majesty the Queen of England confirms and guarantees to the Chiefs and Tribes of New Zealand and to the respective families and individuals thereof the full exclusive and undisturbed possession of their Lands and Estates Forests Fisheries……”
      
      Forests and Fisheries, added by Sir Hugh Kawharu. This is why the Waitangi Tribunal version is a rogue version.
      Try and find ‘forestry and fisheries in the original Treaty written in Maori, or the Littlewood Draft. It is not there.
      Have a look at the link in my 9.06 comment.
      
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      September 15, 2023 10:29am
  - Unity
    
    If you read the Maori version of the Treaty, which is the only one that matters, and the final English draft (Littlewood), Forests and Fisheries are not mentioned. People should learn the true facts and not go by earlier English drafts of the Treaty. A good reason why it should be filed away – everyone is reading different earlier versions of the Treaty and all the true settlements were done long long ago.
    
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    September 15, 2023 9:17am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      100 upticks. See my youtube link above.
      
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      September 15, 2023 9:22am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Archives NZ has this document (Littlewood) but they can’t find them.
      Convenient. Maybe it was destroyed?
      
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      September 15, 2023 9:30am
imalwaysright

Why do Andy Costers employees, armed with semi automatic rifles, stand outside places that have been robbed?
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September 15, 2023 8:11am
- softail 1450
  
  Imalwaysright. Just in case a wild pit bull walks past so they can shoot dozens of rounds all over the neighborhood missing every one as they did at a menacing pit bull in Auckland 10 or so years ago. the highly trained sharpshooters, 6 of them emptied their Glocks at the dog and scored killing shots on letterbox’s, houses, cars, street signs, hub caps , lamp posts, even the actual street ,the dog ran off unscathed.
  Now these same warriors are equipped with a far more deadly and complex firearm I would make the assumption that stray dogs are smart enough to realize they are probably outgunned in 2023 ,damage to the neighborhood is guaranteed if one of them gets trigger happy though.
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:40am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Heh, and all on film. Does not compare favorably with some of the body cam footage out of the USA.
    
    Mod – A single snap shot on routine traffic stop
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QbLCHTEADA
    Mod – Quick reactions on random police-killing attempt
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcf8mJpoS8s
    
    Well-trained police in the States are amazing to see on their quick draw.
    
    I remember on ‘Eating Media Lunch’, when Jeremy Wells did an actually funny TV show/commentary, that that dog was one of his 4 candidates for “NZ of the Year”.
    They played the footage of the dog coming and going under a hail of fire while announcing it.
    Certainly better NZ Of The The Year than some of the official crop we have had in the last few years.
    
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    September 15, 2023 2:59pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Virtue signaling. Same as wearing a mask. It looks like you’re ‘doing something’.
  
  Simple.
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:41am
  - waikatosinger
    
    More like wearing a condom after the girlfriend gets pregnant.
    
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    September 15, 2023 12:13pm
- cmm
  
  It’s a “show of force” thing. It does nothing to actually address the criminality but is all about trying to create the perception that the police are still in charge.
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:44am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Look at me. I am more importanter than you.
  
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  September 15, 2023 9:08am
- kowtow
  
  Extraordinary , a civil police officer armed with a miltary assault weapon , designed to be used by highly trained and disciplined soldiers for the battle field but pointlessly brandished in an otherwise peaceful urban neighbourhood ,when any ‘threat” has long gone.
  
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  September 15, 2023 9:23am
  - thirteenstars
    
    This is somewhat related.
    
    About ten years ago there was a joint training exercise involving NZ and American troops, and I think maybe some Brits and Aussies. Held in South Canterbury but it included an “urban pacification” exercise.
    
    The urb chosen to be pacified was Timaru, all said and done a decently-sized place. I walked out of my gate that day and standing at the intersection just 20m away were clumps of troops holding their rifles, looking very deadly.
    
    An American captain was interviewed for one of the local rags with comments to the effect that this was very unique for his men because in the US they don’t use real civilian areas for their training. Not allowed. They do it in special training facilities.
    
    I thought it was over the top. I didn’t like it, and I believe in a well-trained, well-equipped military. When I told an American friend about this–a former Marine–he just said, hmm…
    
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    September 15, 2023 2:22pm
    - Ghost
      
      Loved watching the planes fly in and out for that.
      
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      September 15, 2023 2:35pm
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Presumably dry-firing drill, and not even blanks being used, within an environment like that.
      
      Especially with the Americans are well known for friendly fire.
      They killed more allied troops in Desert Storm than the Iraqis did.
      And allegedly in WW2 it was said “The British shelling, the Germans hide. The Germans shelling, the British hide. The Americans shelling, everyone hides”.
      
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      September 15, 2023 3:03pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        Considering US forces made up the bulk of the Allied troops in both theaters it’s not surprising they’d have a higher ratio of friendly fire incidents.
        
        But there’s plenty to go around:
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_friendly_fire_incidents#World_War_II
        
        The Brits took out their fair share.
        
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        September 15, 2023 4:10pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Hi 13 Stars,
        that would be if you exclude the Eastern front, since the western Allies faced only around 1/4 of German forces.
        And also if you exclude the years of WW2 when America was not involved, during which non-Americans would be 100% of the total forces fighting Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan 😉
        
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        September 15, 2023 7:26pm
- goNZ1
  
  beacause yous dont need to worry,its only an ISOLATED incident bro
  
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  September 15, 2023 4:31pm
Maggie Pie

And hard on the heels of Stats Minister Deborah Russell having a big sook about Chris Luxon….we now have Shaneel, transgender-education-advisor to Chippy, accusing Christopher of ‘lying’ about his qualifications 😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/shaneellall/status/1702070845487874166
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September 15, 2023 8:16am
- Tricati
  
  Clearly the muppet is getting worried – Did he throw a hissy fit over Shaw claiming he had a BA, no, but a win as a schoolboy in a debating competition is a criminal offence. What a sad individual.
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:20am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Desperation is a stinky Cologne
    I bet they get more rabid as Election Day nears
    
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    September 15, 2023 8:45am
  - Matt Long
    
    My toddler won a shouting match with her brothers, clearly a history of winning debates that puts her at an advantage over life long politician Hipkins.
    
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    September 15, 2023 9:36am
- Ghost
  
  Stupid. Of course he isn’t lying he has never done a political debate. This election will be his first, and it’s not like a school debate or debates in the house.
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:27am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    It’s great, the more these idiot speak publicly, the more they expose themselves as the morons they are.
    Keep it coming Lal!!
    
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    September 15, 2023 8:43am
- Yabster
  
  after the election Lal will be even more irrelevant than he is now- and good riddance – to a talentless, foul mouthed “man”…….
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:35am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  My goodness, that’s so sad… having to trawl through old school magazines to find some “dirt” on a politician.
  
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  September 15, 2023 9:06am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    TEAM LABOUR IS ‘ON FIRE’ !
    
    https://twitter.com/BeeFaerie/status/1700631252808921563
    
    😀 😀 😀
    
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    September 15, 2023 9:24am
    - Lance
      
      As in dumpster fire?
      
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      September 15, 2023 10:09am
      - Hard Cheese
        
        As in liar, liar, pants on fire
        
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        September 15, 2023 2:14pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Dropkicks.
      
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      September 15, 2023 10:34am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Phew! There are a few interesting looking people in that mob. I wondered if they have been rented as part of some go back to work scheme?
      
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      September 15, 2023 4:36pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Nat Party info on the internet tells me that Mr Luxon attended Howick College, which I believe is in Auckland.
  Why would he then be awarded the Southland Old Boys prize for senior debating – as listed in the screenshot from a college magazine?
  Did he attend Southland College ?
  Please advise.
  
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  September 15, 2023 9:21am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    He spent his last 3 years at Christchurch Boys High….where he got the Debating award.
    
    Presumably there was some relationship between The SOB association and CB High School.
    
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    September 15, 2023 9:44am
  - RichardX
    
    Howick College is in his Botany electorate.
    
    CBH is not even though he spent more time at CBH.
    
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    September 15, 2023 10:34am
- Joely Doe
  
  So I guess you’re really not trying hard enough, Maggie
  
  Can’t see any of his ‘reckons’
  The rabid woman hater has blocked me…
  
  Thankfully so
  
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  September 15, 2023 2:17pm
waikatosinger

Can anyone think of a single thing that this Labour government have done that is worth keeping?

National governments, being conservative in nature, do not like radical change. Labour always want to change the world. We have an unfortunate cycle where Labour does stuff, and then National tries to manage it properly. This results in a continual slide to the left. Some people say National are Labour Lite. That isn’t really true. Most of the things Labour does National would never do themselves. But their reluctance to undo those things when in office is a problem.

This time things need to be different. We have just survived the worst government in my memory, which is saying a lot because I can remember Muldoon. Every single thing that this Labour government have done in office has not just been just been poorly executed but is actually a terrible idea at root. Which is why I am asking the question.

Can anyone think of a single thing that this Labour government have done that is worth keeping?
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September 15, 2023 8:16am
- pdm
  
  Only Chippy sacking Stuart Nash and Michael Woods and accepting Kiri Allens resignation.
  
  He was on a roll then.
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:40am
- softail 1450
  
  Waikatosinger, they dumped the horrid Cindy Ardern, sorry ,paid her off, but still got rid of the evil bastard.
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:45am
  - imalwaysright
    
    I still can’t believe that someone would pay actual money to watch her speak.
    
    Id rather watch Biden , at least you get a laugh from the crooked bastard .
    
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    September 15, 2023 9:18am
- cmm
  
  “National governments, being conservative in nature, do not like radical change.”
  
  They don’t need to. Labour did it for them. They accept what Labour did and hardly ever change it back. All they do is make Labour policies work.
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:47am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Good question.
  
  On substantive issues – nothing springs to mind.
  
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  September 15, 2023 9:38am
- NothingLeft
  
  Six squandered years.
  
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  September 15, 2023 10:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Labour always want to change the World.”
  Yep, they want to start a Revolution.
  In reality they can’t even start a bloody lawnmower.
  
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  September 15, 2023 10:38am
slightlyrighty

I’m normally against the vandalism of election hoardings, but when it’s done so well that even the “wronged” party gives it a thumbs up, you have to smile!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/act-leader-david-seymour-given-barbie-billboard-makeover/NHVZ2UEYPZBVHDCB6SOPSVGP3E/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1694634900
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September 15, 2023 8:17am
- Blog-aholic
  
  That is a form of flattery.
  
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  September 15, 2023 9:22am
Grunter

Imagine if I wrote this post around June 2017. How many Down ticks would I have received?

“I think over the next 5-6 yrs we are going to see huge change in NZ and around the world. My top 10 predictions, and remember, it is always a conspiracy theory…. until it isn’t !

1. Labour are about to ditch Angry Andrew. I expect them to choose the leader of the World Socialist Youth (Ardern) as their new leader despite her having done nothing as an MP.
Labour will then win the 2017 election with Winston holding the balance and choosing Labour.
2. We will then see a socialist siht-storm hit NZ like we’ve never seen before!
3. Globalists are planning a global pandemic of some sort (WEF/WHO/UN and the Gates Foundation are all predicting this and that the world needs more vaccines.)
4. The global pandemic will mean NZ and most western countries plus China will lockdown all citizens in their homes for months on end. But we will all still catch this new virus.
5. Ardern will mandate new genetic based “vaccines”. If you don’t take these you will be banned from jobs and public places such as concerts etc. They will do a whole stack of weird stuff like quarantine centres and they will involve the army.
6. NATO will somehow end up in a war with Russia.
7. The US will try and put Trump in jail.
8. The 2023 election will be all about retaining “one person one vote” as Labour have forced through radical Māori Separatist policies including a separate health service, separate local council wards.
9. Māori would have been given full control of all local council water systems and the entire coastline/rivers/lakes etc by 2023.
10. By 2023 Men will be allowed in women’s toilets and changing rooms, men will now be having babies and somehow breast feeding. (actually that one is sarcasm – that could never happen!)
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September 15, 2023 8:22am
- cmm
  
  11. In 2023, people would be saying “fingers crossed, the All Blacks can beat Namibia”.
  
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  September 15, 2023 10:04am
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Maybe we all have missed something .Here we have the worst Labour Government ever . Out trying to make a lot of drama about a few well deserved “TAX CUTS” for NZs by National Government should they get the Treasury Benches on the Ardern decided election date of 14 October 2023 .That was her legacy as she cut and run after her Cabal had virtually frittered away NZs well being and economy of $100,000,000,000 Billion Dollars .
All the bribed so called NZs Mainstream Media
are aboard out to kneecap National with Hipkins running the show to deny NZs some well overdue “TAX CUTS”.
Don’t think it will work. Maybe some investigation into who or what scooped the pool of NZs $100,000,000,000 Billion Dollars frittered away in just Three short years. That would be more realistic and truthful than Hipkins gang and NZs so called Mainstream Media running scared as they see their own well bribed gravy train being cancelled by a real Adult Government in waiting.
Maybe Two Ticks Blue is the answer for all hard working NZs Tax Payers .
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September 15, 2023 8:26am
- softail 1450
  
  Olapark , remember Labour and the Media lampooning Joyce for suggesting the 11 billion dollar black hole in Robbos budget at the last election I think ?
  I must have missed the media’s recent apology to Joyce, as his prediction was lower than actually happened .
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:57am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    $11B. If only it was that small.
    
    As for Shane Jones & the $3B PGF – pfsst. Small timer.
    
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    September 15, 2023 9:40am
- Matt Long
  
  Elon Musk has noticed New Zealand and Robbo, so proud. 👋👋👋
  https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1702163584329871500
  
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  September 15, 2023 10:14am
- wsk12345
  
  It’s not even a tax cut. It’s a reduction in overcharging resulting from the brackets not being indexed.
  
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  September 15, 2023 12:11pm
RRM

Department of Internal Affairs recently sent a Take-Down Notice under Section 119c of the Films, Videos and Publications Act 1993 to a U.S. based web forum for incels because they are hosting footage of the Buffalo shooting.

They have declined, in no uncertain terms. Their letter in response to DIA is quite something…

DIA notice:
https://imgur.io/a/DMdf7EW#M6tkXLK

Letter in response:
https://incels.is/attachments/nz-doc-final-2-1-jpg.861115/
https://incels.is/attachments/nz-doc-final-2-2-jpg.861116/

Discussion thread:
https://incels.is/threads/the-new-zealand-government-asked-incels-is-to-remove-a-video-of-a-mass-shooting-from-our-website-we-will-not.521654/

(Disclaimer: obviously I don’t condone the extreme racism and misogyny that makes up about 99% of the content on their site. They appear to have at least one robust legal brain writing their letters though!)
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September 15, 2023 8:27am
- Master Mariner
  
  Probably at JA bequest.
  See, Look at what I achieved while amongst Havard’s Academia elite.
  
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  September 15, 2023 9:27am
All_on_Red

Clan will like this

‘Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo announced on Wednesday that the state’s Department of Health (FDOH) is officially advising against the use of Covid boosters for people under the age of 65.’
‘According to a press release from the FDOH, the agency based its new recommendations on the “absence of any meaningful booster-specific clinical trial data performed in humans” that warrants the shots’ approval by federal health agencies. FDOH also claimed that the federal government “failed to provide sufficient data to support the safety and efficacy of the COVID-19 vaccines.”

“I will not stand by and let the FDA and CDC use healthy Floridians as guinea pigs for new booster shots that have not been proven to be safe or effective,” DeSantis said. ‘
https://thefederalist.com/2023/09/13/florida-advises-against-new-covid-boosters-for-most-age-groups-citing-no-sufficient-clinical-evidence/

De Santis is the President the US needs
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September 15, 2023 8:37am
- virtualmark
  
  Shrug.
  
  Just means that Florida is going to continue to provide good data on the safety and efficacy of the Covid vaccines. For example see https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2807617
  
  Politicians killing off their own voters. Weird.
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:47am
- Grunter
  
  De Santis
  “While the U.S. has many vital national interests,” Florida Governor Ron DeSantis wrote recently, “becoming further entangled in a territorial dispute between Ukraine and Russia is not one of them.”
  
  I agree!
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  De Santis is 37 points behind Trump. De Santis will run and win POTUS in 2028.
  
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  September 15, 2023 11:04am
  - Grunter
    
    The bigger question is…
    “Will there even be US elections in 2028?”
    
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    September 15, 2023 11:14am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Not if Tyranny wins.
      
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      September 15, 2023 11:42am
- virtualmark
  
  Note that the corollary of DeSantis saying “I will not stand by and let the FDA and CDC use healthy Floridians as guinea pigs for new booster shots that have not been proven to be safe or effective” is DeSantis effectively saying “I will stand by and use healthy Floridians as guinea pigs for avoiding treatments that may be effective and prevent unnecessary deaths”.
  
  But that doesn’t sound as nice to voters as what he said. Which is why he didn’t say it.
  
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  September 15, 2023 2:17pm
The Boss

I watched the Finance debate last night. What a huge disappointment did Seymour turn out to be!
Willis was good, though.
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September 15, 2023 8:45am
- plc
  
  Guess it’s confirmation bias.
  
  I thought Seymour was ok and Willis was appalling (6th Form debating team captain at private girls’ school vibes).
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:59am
- Mrs_Right
  
  I think he was great.
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:59am
  - kowtow
    
    He is always great value for money and I hope he’ll get value for our money when he’s in coalition with the Gnats and give them the spine they need to fix the mess this country’s in.
    
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    September 15, 2023 9:41am
- Jack5
  
  Is this the debate you’re talking about, Boss?
  
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/finance-debate-draws-admission-from-nicola-willis
  
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  September 15, 2023 9:03am
Maggie Pie

Anyone else see what I’m seeing?
Couldn’t help but notice how FAB Nicola is looking!
Her skin appears so youthfully radiant.
I actually wondered if she might have discovered La Mer?
I’ve been using their moisturizing cremes for years.

Whatever it is, the results are amazing. You can see for yourself…

https://twitter.com/NewshubPolitics/status/1702211731152658493
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September 15, 2023 8:51am
- Paulus
  
  She looks very much better than most others who have had four children.
  
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  September 15, 2023 9:54am
- cmm
  
  I don’t really care if she turns up in a $2.99 dress from the opshop and zits on her face.
  
  What I care about is what she says or does.
  
  The press seem to have cornered her over promising tax cuts. Now she has promised to resign if tax cuts can’t be made.
  
  Ballsy or stupid move? Let’s see.
  
  Funny how the MSM never put Cindy on the spot like that: promise to end child poverdee or resign?
  
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  September 15, 2023 10:09am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Sounds like you have a crush on her. 😂
  
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  September 15, 2023 10:12am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    What sort of beauty-regimen do you indulge yourself in, Bene?
    
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    September 15, 2023 10:23am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Details would upset the moderators 😳
      
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      September 15, 2023 10:26am
    - mogg
      
      You can’t beat a daily cold water facial.
      
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      September 15, 2023 12:31pm
- Close Hen Counters
  
  I thought she looked very pretty last night, gorgeous hair and skin and debated well – she would look so much better in a dress rather than bulky suit … good luck Nats and act 💙💙
  
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  September 15, 2023 1:10pm
- ProtectBabiesFromPredators
  
  La Mer Key Ingredients
  Anti-acne: Zinc Gluconate.
  Antioxidant: Tocopheryl Succinate.
  Skin-identical ingredient: Glycerin.
  Soothing: Copper Gluconate, Zinc Gluconate, Panthenol.
  It works all over apparently, but strangely, never goes past the neckline!
  
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  September 15, 2023 4:40pm
Jack5

Is the Productivity Commission looking at the amount of time government departments, central and local officials, educators, and many others are spending on Maori ceremonies and customs?

Why not? In our bureaucracies and other organisations this tiresome trivia is taking increasing hours of work time.

The commission does have other things on its mind. Like the recent report it brought out: “A quantitative analysis of disadvantage and how it persists in Aotearoa New Zealand.”

To be fair, this was in response to the Labour Misgovernment asking the commission to undertake “a inquiry into economic inclusion and social mobility, with a focus on supporting people experiencing persistent disadvantage to live better lives.”

The commission’s last “Productivity by Numbers” report, put up 74 days ago, stated New Zealand’s economy had gone from being one of the most productive to one of the least productive in the OECD.

A number of State and local body employees have told me how frustrating and time consuming Maori ceremonies are at their workplaces.

On voting day they should remember this stuff would only get worse under Labour.
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September 15, 2023 8:57am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Have you ever popped into a supermarket during a working Friday? No, me neither, being a working class hero. But, the wife tells me that’s it’s suspiciously full of working age people.
  
  “WFH”. No wonder our productivity is in the toilet.
  
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  September 15, 2023 9:44am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    As someone who works from home, I unsurprisingly don’t buy into this myth that people working from home aren’t doing anything. If they are not working at home they were not working in the office.
    
    If I wasn’t “working” I am fairly sure the people who pay me would notice.
    
    Yes of course there are working age people at the supermarket during the day during the week. Some are not in the workforce. Others have the day off work. Because they work on Saturday or Sunday or both.
    
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    September 15, 2023 10:19am
  - goNZ1
    
    they will be some of the 100,000 Job ”seekers” out there
    
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    September 15, 2023 4:43pm
Rusty

In the herald this morning we have the story of a good Samaritan holding down a scumbag stealing booze from a Akl downtown supermarket only to be informed by management the Police could end up arresting him if the crim lays a complaint!

Is this what the law has come down to in this country?

Criminals can lay complaints to the police on members of the public physically restraining them in the act of committing a crime.

We need sensible, rational, and moral thinking people making our laws and judges carrying it out.

A good start would be getting rid of Labour.
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September 15, 2023 8:58am
- imalwaysright
  
  Rusty
  
  It would be simple for any government to clarify or amend self defence laws.
  
  We should also be allowed to defend ourselves , our property, and the property of others . In fact it should be our civic duty to stop any crime we witness.
  
  The people who intervened should be given a healthy reward and the crim should be made to pay it.
  
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  September 15, 2023 9:33am
  - Rusty
    
    @ lmalwaysright
    
    Agree with you. I’m not blaming the police either they don’t make the laws.
    
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    September 15, 2023 11:28am
- nathie
  
  Where are all these “1800 new cops” that Ginny Anderson repetitively reassures us are on the beat?
  
  As it seems as usual the Police are “too busy” to attend.
  
  Labour = does not compute!
  
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  September 15, 2023 9:58am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  So a Citizen’s Arrest is assault?
  
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  September 15, 2023 11:11am
  - kowtow
    
    It can be.
    
    https://www.howtolaw.co/make-a-citizens-arrest-392146
    
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    September 15, 2023 12:53pm
Ghost

It won’t be hard for the next government to find places to save money

The Ministry for Pacific Peoples is once again under fire for its expenditure after National revealed the ministry spent over $50,000 of taxpayer money on Budget breakfast events.

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September 15, 2023 8:59am
- cmm
  
  This is the same outfit that blew $40k on the going away party a few weeks ago. That was around $350 per attendee! Must have been a good feed.
  
  Then another $7k on going away presents etc.
  
  700 people attended these breakfasts – so, only about $75 each. Pretty restrained in comparison.
  
  Hey whitey dropped his wallet! Let’s spend it all before we give it back to him.
  
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  September 15, 2023 9:13am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    $75 buys you a pretty impressive cafe breakfast. More than I could eat, that’s for sure.
    
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    September 15, 2023 9:47am
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      About half the money went into location and audiovisual hire.
      
      Sounds like a sweet grift spending $10k on hiring a couple of projectors and speakers for an hour or three.
      
      Based on standard industry pricing this should not have cost more than $1k. But whitey’s paying so why not add a zero on the end and help a mate out?
      
      Sounds a bit like Angry Andy spending $20k on the hire of tables etc.
      
      https://theaudiophile.nz/audio-visual-hire/
      
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      September 15, 2023 10:34am
- Yabster
  
  They are on a long list of Ministries that need to shut down- pathetic waste of money.
  
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  September 15, 2023 9:19am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Quangos those Ministries control.
    
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    September 15, 2023 12:16pm
  - 7kiwi11
    
    They are on a long list of Ministries that need to BE shut down BECAUSE THEY ARE A pathetic waste of money.
    
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    September 15, 2023 2:53pm
- greybeard
  
  They obviously have a different way of looking at money, as though “what is yours is mine first”.
  
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  September 15, 2023 11:13am
cmm

There’s a guy on stuff having a huge sook about having to pay back WfF over payments.

“It’s $25,000 we can’t save or use for anything. My daughter needs braces but we’ll probably have to pass on that.”

No dude, you’re thinking of this incorrectly. It is $25000 that you were overpaid, have spent on other things, and now must pay back. If your daughters braces had been so important then you would have spent the overpayment on those instead of whatever you spent it on.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/300971315/working-for-families-debt-it-all-gets-too-much
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September 15, 2023 8:59am
- Ghost
  
  Self responsibility, it’s a foreign word now days.
  
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  September 15, 2023 9:00am
- artemisia
  
  So his income was correctly assessed for WfF – to include drawings and other income popped in the bank. And he has an accountant. Tough situation for the household, and they are dealing with it, but on what planet is business income banked not counted as income.
  
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  September 15, 2023 9:25am
  - wsk12345
    
    When I had a business I drew the same income each year. Some years I earned way more then I drew, other years way less. That was how I had a stable income.
    
    Larger businesses might want to retain some earning in the business for future investment.
    
    Sounds to me that his accountant has given poor advice.
    
    A friend got massively done for child support when he lost his job, became self employed with very variable income. IRD actually made him pay the same in the low years as in the high income years on the basis that he “clearly had the potential to earn more” in the low income year and was shirking his responsibilities. Which is clearly about propping up other peoples kids as he was paying way more than his ex wife was receiving….
    
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    September 15, 2023 12:25pm
    - cmm
      
      “Sounds to me that his accountant has given poor advice.”
      Could be… or he just ignored it.
      
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      September 15, 2023 2:07pm
- miltonF
  
  This is such a joke. He only declared half of his income. I have to wonder…did he pay any income tax on that $50k he failed to declare? and we are supposed to feel sorry for him?
  
  Why are tax avoiders being given sob stories in the news?
  
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  September 15, 2023 3:10pm
- nova
  
  The inherent problem here is that the self-employed can rort the system by artificially reducing their income. They can also claim expenses against that income that a wage and salary earner cannot, and potentially even do a few cash jobs on the side. In this case he failed to structure his tax affairs correctly, so ended up being assessed based on his actual income of over $100K, rather than the $48K income he was drawing down from his business. $48K avoids the 30% tax rate and gives you the maximum entitlement to WFF. $100K gives you virtually no entitlement.
  The case highlights the need to make the tax system fairer, and the need to remove the distortions created by the welfare system. It would be better to support families through tax free thresholds, income splitting and lower cost services, instead on a WFF rebate that it open to manipulation by the self employed.
  
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  September 15, 2023 3:18pm
  - Colville
    
    or he can be competent and do his taxes!!
    
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    September 15, 2023 5:00pm
Ghost

Ah, what are we, five years old

With just one month out from the election, Te Pāti Māori co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer has answered The Project’s hot seat questions in a version of a familiar game, “kiss, kick or marry”.

Three cards of competing politicians were revealed by The Project’s hosts, one of National leader Christopher Luxon, one of Greens co-leader Marama Davidson and a third of NZ First leader Winston Peters.

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September 15, 2023 9:02am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Grief….
  
  and we wonder why violence is so prevalent in our community.
  
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  September 15, 2023 9:24am
- Blog-aholic
  
  We did ‘Projects’ at school and they were simple then.
  
  The Project (or what ever the name is this week) is as simple.
  
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  September 15, 2023 9:26am
Chuck Bird

Many of us here are interested in political debates. I had to choose between the debate on finance and the other on farming. I choose farming. Surely, they could have had the debates on different days.
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September 15, 2023 9:03am
- Matt Long
  
  Did you learn anything Chuck, I watch 5 minutes, O’Connor blustered, Todd mouthed platitudes, Andrew was a bit vague, Patterson would have been smoother than Andrew, didn’t see him though.
  All same, same.
  
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  September 15, 2023 9:48am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Matt, I thought it was good. Andrew rejected the claim that there was a climate emergency because of children which is a good reason. I have emailed both of them to let them to the Green nutbar was lying when she said the Climate Change Commission was independent.
    
    Act wants to sack the lot as they were picked by Labour. I think it would be better to replace them. I would pick Barry Brill to replace Rod Carr.
    
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    September 15, 2023 11:06am
Steve Todd

I watched the Wellington Central candidates’ debate on the Stuff website last evening. Along with the two reporters (of the article, below), I, too, was pleasantly surprised at how polite towards each other the candidates were.

In my view, the winner “on the night” was Green candidate, Tamatha Paul, closely followed by National’s Scott Sheeran. As the reporters say, “The stand out candidate was Paul.” I suspect Wellington Central is now a two-way race between these two candidates.

(See https://www.thepost.co.nz/a/nz-news/350073036/tamatha-paul-shines-through-genteel-wellington-central-debate?)
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September 15, 2023 9:07am
- MCōs
  
  Watch yourself, Steve
  
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  September 15, 2023 10:48am
  - Steve Todd
    
    Not quite sure what you’re implying, MCōs, but I do admit I’m sticking my neck out (see my comment at GD on Monday, at 5:21PM), but so, too, is Fisiani2 (see his comment at GD, yesterday, at 1:57PM).
    
    On election night, the preliminary outcome in Wellington Central will be of great interest; unlike boring old Labour-HOLD Rongotai.
    
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    September 15, 2023 11:03am
    - artemisia
      
      Steve, do you think Labour’s Welly Central candidate was carefully chosen to lose to the Greens? Or just to diversity virtue signal maybe. Agree that seat will be watched closely. Overseas votes especially.
      
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      September 15, 2023 4:33pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @artemisia @ 4:33PM
        
        Oh, gosh, like I said to Tom Hunter on Saturday night, I’m an “elections” person, not a “politics” person. But, I’ll give it a go.
        
        Ibrahim Omer (who I happily accept is basically now a Wellington boy), is a personable guy, with a touching “back story”, but who, it seems to me, is quite the wrong candidate for Wellington Central: one of the country’s wealthiest electorates. I suspect you would agree.
        
        Having said that, the only other person Labour could reasonably have put up, that I am aware of, was Brooklyn(?)-resident, Ayesha Verrall! – a List-only candidate if ever there was one. I mean, let’s face it, who else was there – Berhampore(?)/Rongotai electorate-residing Andrew Little? I don’t think so. He, too, would have gone down like a cup of cold sick.
        
        So, to answer your question: no. Omer was not put up to lose to the Greens. In fact, I don’t quite see how Labour would consider such a “scheme” would benefit them.
        
        I have no inside knowledge, at all – I’m just an ordinary guy – but I would say that Labour simply had no-one else. Grant Robertson, not realising until it was too late, that he was going to bail, had not mentored a successor. Besides, that would be a reckless gamble by Labour, considering that National would almost certainly put up a credible, indeed excellent, candidate, as they have done, thereby risking losing the seat to “the enemy”.
        
        In addition, it almost certainly never occurred to Labour that James Shaw would, um, stand down, thereby allowing the very locally-popular Tamatha Paul to be selected as the Greens’ candidate.
        
        In short, it seems to me that, for Labour, the Wellington Central situation has turned out to be a “perfect storm”. The seat has gone. All that remains to be seen, is which of two excellent candidates, Paul, or Sheeran, takes it.
        
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        September 15, 2023 5:56pm
Maggie Pie

You’ll recall I posted the RE listing last month for anyone who may have been interested buying a well located property on a smallish section in Auckland’s sought after DGZ.

Well I see it went to auction on Wednesday….
some lucky bugger got themselves a bargain!

https://www.oneroof.co.nz/news/uninhabitable-shack-in-parnell-sells-for-1355m-after-super-fast-auction-scrap-44244
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September 15, 2023 9:16am
Jack5

Shares in ARM, the British microchip giant, got off to a strong start on America’s Nasdaq Stock Exchange today (American Thursday trading).

They ended the session at $US63.59, and rose further to above $US65 in early after-hours trading.

As discussed in General Debate yesterday, the opening price set for the float was $US51.
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September 15, 2023 9:19am
ClanMcleod

Even the lunatic California Governor Newsom is walking back his tyrannical covid responses, undoubtedly for political expediency.

“We Would’ve Done Everything Differently”: Gavin Newsom Disowns California’s Extreme Covid Policies

California Governor Gavin Newsom has said criticism of California’s tough COVID-19 restrictions was valid and he would have taken an entirely different approach, given what he knows now about the pandemic. Politico has the story.

“I think we would’ve done everything differently,” Newsom said in a taped interview set to air on NBC’s ‘Meet the Press’ Sunday.

“I think all of us in terms of our collective wisdom, we’ve evolved. We didn’t know what we didn’t know. We’re experts in hindsight. We’re all geniuses now.”

Later in the interview Newsom responded to criticism of his state’s decisions by saying: “All of it’s legitimate in terms of reflection.”

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/09/13/we-wouldve-done-everything-differently-gavin-newsom-disowns-californias-extreme-covid-policies/

In NZ, National and Act refuse to acknowledge the most significant event in NZ in a century or more.

In NZ the message is – “get your booster!!!”

Words fail me.
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September 15, 2023 9:25am
- Master Mariner
  
  Interestingly Clan, StatsNZ are doing a survey of kids born while the mother was forced to get the vaccine.
  Ie kida 2-3 years old.
  Asking about any disabilities, etc etc.
  I wonder why ? //
  
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  September 15, 2023 9:36am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    MM – I’m still dumbfounded that the original Risk Management Plan on the Medsafe website clearly said that there was no safety data for pretending women (among other groups) but our health officials promoted the keen most aggressively on the group’s for which there was no information?!?!
    
    You can find it on their website. It’s a bizarre situation and nobody seems to be concerned about it.
    
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    September 15, 2023 9:50am
  - miltonF
    
    We already know there is a large increase in type 1 diabetes. Poor kids. Their immune system is attacking their MRNA infected pancreas.
    
    Sadly, I predict there is much more to come.
    
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    September 15, 2023 3:14pm
I remember when

Feral goats a cashmere goldmine: NZ Farmer.

So the wheel completes a complete three sixty and we are back to the days of jumping out of helicopters to land on wild goats.
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September 15, 2023 9:25am
thirteenstars

France beat Uruguay this morning, 27-12.

France beat NZ last week, 27-13.

Nice to know we are one point better than Uruguay. Makes me feel good about our chances against Namibia. Fingers crossed.
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September 15, 2023 9:43am
- James Stephenson
  
  12 changes from the team that made the AB’s look ordinary. How many changes has Foster made for the Namibia game?
  
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  September 15, 2023 10:38am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Ten, last I heard.
    
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    September 15, 2023 11:09am
- I remember when
  
  Uruguay arrived at the World Cup with successes against Chile, Namibia and an Argentina 15.
  They play quite an expensive game and are an exciting attacking team that could be pushing Argentina as top South American team in a few years.
  Well worth watching.
  
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  September 15, 2023 10:56am
  - Jack5
    
    Uruguay population 3.4 million; land area 175,000 sq km (NZ 264,500sq km).
    
    In soccer, Uruguay has won four FIFA-organised world championships:
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguay_at_the_FIFA_World_Cup
    
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    September 15, 2023 12:36pm
- greybeard
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby-world-cup-2023/300970568/rugby-world-cup-all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-puts-the-acid-on-his-big-men-to-front-against-namibia
  “Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.”
  Go for it, Namibia !
  
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  September 15, 2023 11:07am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
This is actually from yesterday.

If Dunedin Business Owner Michael is reading this, Julian is a Minister and Evangelist.
Also, The Centrist Media supports Julian’s defamation suit. There is a link for a newsletter.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/small-business-owner-who-received-julian-batchelors-booklet-in-his-letter-box-its-frightening/
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September 15, 2023 9:48am
Maggie Pie

And I see where Jack Tame has picked up another award….

https://twitter.com/nzpoliticsgroup/status/1702099116627784030
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September 15, 2023 10:05am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Fitting.
  
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  September 15, 2023 10:13am
- Yabster
  
  There once was a boy called Jack,
  Who grew up to be a media hack.
  Anyone on the right he would try to attack,
  Neutrality and integrity he had a severe lack.
  
  feel free to add a verse….
  
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  September 15, 2023 10:33am
Matt Long

Ian Wishart still hunting down James Shaw.
https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/09/15/james-shaw-the-greens-and-his-msc/
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September 15, 2023 10:09am
- Maggie Pie
  
  We’ve read all Ian’s books.
  You can bet he never asks a question he doesn’t
  already know the answer to 😀
  
  My partner reckons Shaw is slipperier than a
  Long-Fin eel.
  
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  September 15, 2023 10:41am
  - Steve Todd
    
    Hey, Maggie. Does your partner agree with Wishart that Scott Watson is guilty, as I do?
    
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    September 15, 2023 4:47pm
- cmm
  
  It’s not too clear to me how you can stack an MSc on top of a failed attempt at a BA.
  Normally you’d need a BSc degree to start you off.
  
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  September 15, 2023 10:45am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Many Universities just want bums on seats and are willing to take prior Work experience as a substitute for an undergrad qualification…..
    
    So for the MSc in Sustainability and Management from Bath University
    
    In exceptional cases, relevant work experience may be a substitute for the degree requirement.
    
    https://www.bath.ac.uk/courses/postgraduate-2023/taught-postgraduate-courses/msc-sustainability-and-management/
    
    Hubby has a member of his extended family who earned an MBA from an UK College without ever having undertaken any Undergraduate papers.
    
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    September 15, 2023 12:34pm
    - Taieri
      
      I have 2 Masters’ degrees. One in science and one in engineering. One coursework based but finishing with dissertation and the other research based. Both achieved without ever having taken any undergraduate degree.
      
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      September 15, 2023 3:18pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  It is certainly a case of ‘is he suspect?’ Then you realise he actually is….why hide something that lend kudos to your climate policy unless it does not? Ouch!
  
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  September 15, 2023 10:49am
sparkhole

I think Shaw claiming (he said it several times) that kiwis don’t care if the numbers don’t add up (referring to National tax policy) they just want a tax cut, is grossly arrogant and indicative of the left’s elitist we know best attitude.

I also thought Seymour struck a big chord with the audience several times.
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September 15, 2023 10:28am
- cmm
  
  Shaw is correct.
  Look at how he tells everyone off for using a small amount of fuel driving a car while he uses swimming pools full of fuel to fly first class to climate conferences.
  
  If NZers really cared about numbers he’d have been thrown out years ago.
  
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  September 15, 2023 11:04am
sirknz

In today’s entry for the Justice system is deeply broken.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/man-30-seeking-retribution-attacks-13-year-old-whangarei-school-boy/MZY6E5WLSRAQHHRLPNLVZL3JOQ/

Only a year to get it through the courts and one of the scumbags gets discharged without conviction, and the other one gets 4 months home detention “because he wouldn’t be safe in prison”.

Then to top it all off, this phuqwit’s family and friends are still harassing the kid and his family on social media.

Any bets that they are also living in taxpayer subsidised housing and are the sort of feral clowns that the leftys have been defending on twitter after National said they would evict problem tenants.
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September 15, 2023 10:33am
- Jack5
  
  Those sentences on the two thugs, aged 30 and 20, who bashed the 13-year-old boy are a disgrace.
  
  One of the attackers doesn’t even seem to have had his name published.
  
  The Justice System increasingly seems to care more about criminals than about victims.
  
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  September 15, 2023 5:07pm
- Ghost
  
  Oh diddums, you won’t be safe in prison, coward. But on a positive thanks for providing evidence by filming the attack.
  
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  September 15, 2023 5:24pm
I remember when

Sydney Airport EV Fire Destroys 5 Vehicles: WUWT.
“Five cars have been destroyed at Sydney Airport after a battery from a luxury electric car burst into flames.
There had been some problem with the car and the battery had been removed.
We believe that the car has suffered some mechanical damage which can contribute to a battery breaking down and catching fire without notice.”

The article included the usual fact that electric vehicle fires are no more, or in fact less, likely than petrol powered vehicles.
Strangely, they don’t seem to be reported in the media when they happen.
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September 15, 2023 10:37am
- cmm
  
  While petrol powered vehicle fires might be more common, the big difference is that petrol fires are relatively easy to extinguish.
  
  Normal fires require fuel + external oxygen (normally from air). Normal firefighting generally works around cutting off the supply of external oxygen through covering the fire with foam, CO2 or such.
  
  EV fires are more like chemical reactions. They are not fires in the normal sense of the word. Yes, the EV battery fires do involve oxygen, but it is not external oxygen. The EV batteries create the oxygen themselves. This means that spraying it with foam etc does not help.
  
  The distinction is a bit like trying to compare a charcoal fire with a gunpowder “fire”. A charcoal fire needs external oxygen to burn. Gunpowder does not because it creates its own oxygen by breaking down the saltpetre. Gunpowder will burn happily, and vigorously, in CO2.
  
  The noxious fumes coming out of an EV fire also make it far more dangerous for anyone trying to fight the fire.
  
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  September 15, 2023 11:01am
  - Paul Marsden
    
    Maybe they should take a look at how efficient bromochlorodifluoromethane might be as an extinguishing agent for lithium based fires? Ironically, banning BCF was arguably the worst thing govts could have done for the enviroment, since it was one of the most efficient fire extinguishing agents ever, particularly in dealing with petro-chemical product based fires.
    
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    September 15, 2023 11:42am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Good news!
    They managed to put this EV fire out in just a week!
    Phoenix tries a new method to extinguish the fire
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUGu30hR_kU
    
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    September 15, 2023 11:45am
  - I remember when
    
    So really saying that there are more ICE vehicles fires than occur with EVs is just a ‘red herring.’
    EV fires are far more dangerous and make the potential for serious property loss much higher.
    
    But let’s not point that out to the punters!
    
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    September 15, 2023 1:39pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  ICE vehicle fires may be more common, but is the cause of them the same as for EVs (i.e. the fuel system)?
  ICE cars are set on fire for all sorts of reasons e.g. once a crim has finished with it after ram-raiding some store.
  
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  September 15, 2023 11:23am
  - kowtow
    
    Compared to EV’s there’s relatively a huge number of ICE’s , which makes the relatively large number of EV fires more remarkable , n’est pas ?
    
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    September 15, 2023 1:00pm
Pope Punctilious II

Here’s Chris Trotter putting a well-deserved boot into contemporary “progressivism”
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2023/09/15/delirious-hatred-the-dystopic-tendencies-of-twenty-first-century-progressivism/#comment-777912

It’s a shame he pulls a few of his punches, but still the best piece published on that site in many a year. But no doubt he’s in for a shower of pottery shards with his name written on them.
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September 15, 2023 10:43am
- Matt Long
  
  Mr Trotsky is like the character Snowball in Animal Farm; he cheered on the Jacinda revolution but suddenly finds himself an outcast.
  Good on him for standing up for free speech and equality of citizenship.
  
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  September 15, 2023 2:13pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Good to see you’ve read your Orwell. Unfortunately, few of my millennial workmates seem to have done so – judging by their political views.
    
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    September 15, 2023 3:48pm
Che Guava

If we are intent on importing Maori concepts into the British-derived legal system, then that is one thing; introducing them but applying them only to some people and not to others is another thing entirely.
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September 15, 2023 10:45am
I remember when

A lot of comment about the effect the various party policies will have.
If there is a National/Act government after the election the first big benefit will be the reduction in minority source noise.
Misinformation, Disinformation, Hate Speech, Gender arguments, Diversity, Trade Union disruption,etc, will all quickly return to their correct level of importance.

The world will instantly seem a BETTER PLACE.
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September 15, 2023 11:06am
- thirteenstars
  
  Why would it reduce? Most of that noise comes from media and the various think tanks, activist groups, public intellectuals and social media luvvies they endlessly cite and interview.
  
  Look at the rabid attention paid to National’s tax plan. It’s so transparently the media acting as an arm of the Labour/Green Parties.
  
  Now, National’s policy might be a turkey but plenty of other policies are likewise fowl and they are being given no such treatment.
  
  That isn’t going to stop post-election. It’ll get even louder and I don’t think Luxon can handle that jandal. It might well affect the coalition negotiations and the speed and doggedness with which our many problems are addressed.
  
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  September 15, 2023 11:21am
Benedict Yu

Following the Kellie Jay Keen riot in Auckland, the police received OIA requests for internal communications about how they were planning to manage the event and the protestors.

This looks like a partial release. However it shows that the police were talking to the trans activists beforehand and were satisfied that everything would be fine.

What really is disturbing is that after the riot happened and Kellie Jay Keen left New Zealand, the police officer in charge of the operation received an email from his superior officer.. “Well done on managing a challenging operation.” 🤯

https://twitter.com/SimonRAnderson1/status/1702125388871475422?t=jNM8Hl78Iu4aUmNo_APJ6A&s=19

So event after the disaster where women were assaulted and Kellie Jay Keen came close to being killed, the police were congratulating each other on a job well done.
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September 15, 2023 11:11am
- cmm
  
  It depends….
  
  You are assuming “the job” was to keep people safe and allow free speech.
  
  Maybe “the job” was to hound KJK.
  
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  September 15, 2023 11:22am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I still say ‘the job’ was to make news. Police in cahoots with TV3.
    No proof, but I did read about it, so opinion of someone.
    
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    September 15, 2023 11:27am
    - imalwaysright
      
      I don’t believe there were any “police ” present .
      
      There were plenty of government employees wearing police uniforms , however
      
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      September 15, 2023 11:49am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I’m still curious to see if she is allowed to board the plane at Heathrow next week. I still think that could go either way with Immigration New Zealand.
    
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    September 15, 2023 11:28am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Depends on how many transistors are in the Ministry of Immigration.
      
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      September 15, 2023 11:45am
  - Matt Long
    
    The job was to keep their 🌈✅
    
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    September 15, 2023 2:17pm
cmm

We all know that South Africa has an extremely high murder rate. However, according to those in the know, the official murder rate is woefully under reported and probably needs to be doubled or trebled.

Doubling the official murder rate would bump it up to about 140 murders per day.

That would put the SA murder rate at around 80 – 100 per 100k per year – by far the highest in the world (assuming Jamaica etc are not also massively under counting).

That would be around 4 to 5 thousand per year for an NZ-sized population.

That would mean that approx 5 to 6% of all deaths in SA are murder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkE5BWXzTPQ
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September 15, 2023 11:20am
- PeeJay
  
  It’s pretty horrific.
  
  I have a few SA friends – one has an elderly mother living in SA and he would love to go back with his fmaily to visit over Christmas but is in two minds as to whether he can risk taking his own family with him! One of his friends (living in Aussie) went back to SA earlier this year and was shot and badly wounded at a traffic stop – and he’s considered lucky compared to what can happen!
  
  I’ve visited a few times and it is an amazingly beautiful country with some amazing people – some of the friendliest and jovial people I’ve met, but bloody hell it’s gone next level dangerous!!!
  
  I don’t envy anyone who has family still there!
  
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  September 15, 2023 2:14pm
oldfella

Andrea Vance acting like a real journalist and tackling a hot-button issue.
Voters want a referendum on co-governance – but not bilingual signs, poll shows
Almost half of voters believe there should be a referendum on Māori co-governance – and reject bilingual road signs, according to a new poll.
t comes as Labour signalled a delay to plans to add te reo Māori to traffic signage.
https://www.thepost.co.nz/a/politics/350072912/voters-want-referendum-co-governance-not-bilingual-signs-poll-shows?utm_source=stuff_website&utm_medium=stuff_referral&utm_campaign=stuff_skybox&utm_id=stuff_skybox
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September 15, 2023 11:35am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  Good God! Actual journalism in the MSM!
  
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  September 15, 2023 1:54pm
  - ProtectBabiesFromPredators
    
    Journalists, like Aircraft, can only take off into the wind. As the Political wind shifts, more takeoffs are in the opposite direction.
    
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    September 15, 2023 4:59pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Best part of a CG ref. is that bilingualism of public signage is subsumed within the wider topic.
  
  Remember, the purpose of the ref. is to allow a ratification process (essentially) for legislation already drafted.
  
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  September 15, 2023 5:20pm
Jack5

Simon Bridges, now chief of the Auckland Business Chamber, advocates a national transport project – that is, largely new and better roads – to lift the national economy.

He cites benefits of two specific northern roading projects, which would make savings for businesses and others who would use them.

How would NZ finance a national roading project?

Perhaps like Hitler when he expanded the Germany autobahns.

The Germans seem to have used something like a chain letter.

As I understand, the autobahn builders were paid with debentures issued by the Finance ministry. These could be redeemed at a discount by banks who were part of a consortium.

The banks could then redeem the bonds at the Reichsbank, the German central bank from 1876 until 1945.

The Reichsbank was promised that they would be honoured by the Government, at fixed times, and guaranteed by taxes.

If Hitler makes a promise what do his bankers say? “Sorry, Adolf. The Burghof at Berchtesgaden by itself isn’t quite enough security.”

Hitler’s panzering around Europe would have diverted bankers’ attention away from their autobahn bonds.

If only NZ hadn’t blown tens of billions on the Covid shutdown …

Mmm, there’s about $55 billion in the Superannuation Fund, according to the last annual report.

The Bridges new autobahn plan:

https://www.thepost.co.nz/a/nz-news/350071625/simon-bridges-lets-make-infrastructure-next-economic-success-story?utm_id=mh_stuff
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September 15, 2023 11:41am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  BIGGER roads instead of goat tracks. Have a look at the roads in Anchorage, Alaska. City population is less than 300,000.
  
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  September 15, 2023 11:51am
  - cmm
    
    TBF though, with the amount of snow and ice on the roads in Alaska you want really wide roads.
    
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    September 15, 2023 2:13pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Anchorage summer is just like the Auckland summer, but shorter.
      My Partner got sunburn there in 2017.
      
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      September 16, 2023 11:59am
  - ProtectBabiesFromPredators
    
    Elevated roads would be the logical answer.
    
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    September 15, 2023 5:06pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION…..

Other than Damien O’Connor, are there any other
Labor MP’s who aren’t gay?

https://pridenz.com/gaynz/10220.html

Asking for a close friend.
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September 15, 2023 11:42am
- lifesgood
  
  I mentioned this yesterday. What is it with all the gays in Labour. It is well above the percentage in the community. I believe in live and let live, so don’t have a problem with it, but am curious as to why they are drawn to politics. Do they have an inner desire to change the world so they can fit in, or something?
  
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  September 15, 2023 11:51am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    I think in many cases there’s a resentment towards society. Jan Logie being an obvious case. I can’t forget the interview when she declared she wanted to see more men convicted of rape. She didn’t seem terribly interested in whether they’re guilt or not.
    
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    September 15, 2023 12:32pm
  - rockape
    
    Drawn to politics media and the performing arts all those activities that don’t actually involve work.
    
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    September 15, 2023 2:47pm
    - greybeard
      
      Ego.
      Exhibition.
      Entitlement.
      
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      September 15, 2023 3:22pm
  - kevn
    
    life… 70% I gather.
    
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    September 15, 2023 4:20pm
- Ghost
  
  And that is why you don’t try and take a sausage roll off chippy….
  
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  September 15, 2023 4:10pm
PaulP

Given this was dealt with by a “Te Pae Oranga Iwi Community Panel” one can assume it wasn’t a cis white male that was threatening his life!

Good to see the reporter had confirmation from police that there was an actual threat given his history of making things up and exaggerating.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/election-2023-green-partys-efeso-collins-gets-death-threat-on-the-campaign-trail/23KDYVB63RHI3IKFMGH7CHPR4I/
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September 15, 2023 11:52am
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  I just read that before of more interest was the article was funded by nz on air public interest fund. This was closed in May but it appears the funding will continue for 12 months.
  
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  September 15, 2023 12:01pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  And didn’t Espresso come up with something similar to this when he was campaigning for the Mayoralty? My partner’s mum reckons he might be suffering from some form of ‘perpetual victimhood’.
  
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  September 15, 2023 12:18pm
- peterwn
  
  W ill he get 501’d if he is not a citizen?
  
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  September 15, 2023 1:03pm
Chuck Bird

Let him go” Ben Espiner talks to NBR boss Todd Scott on citizen’s arrest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV0LNmkrTEc
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September 15, 2023 11:57am
Steve Todd

So, Nicola Willis will “resign” if “we don’t deliver a tax reduction.”

(1) Resign from Parliament, and go off and do something else?
(2) Resign from Cabinet, and sit on the back benches?
(3) Resign as Minister of Finance, but remain in Cabinet with other portfolio responsibilities?

Hmm, that’s a toughie. I wonder what Kiwibloggers think she means. I know what I think.
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September 15, 2023 12:12pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  It means as Minister of Finance obviously. Its refreshing to see someone signal a measureable accountability indicator and an outcome for not meetung it, after almost 6 years of Labour Ministers of not setting any targets and never being accountability for anything.
  
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  September 15, 2023 1:06pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Prediction. Nicola Willis will not resign as Minister of Finance. If she ends up doing a “Bill English”, she will come up with weasel words as to why “tax reductions” can’t be made “at this time.”
    
    Like I said on Sunday, here, https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/09/general_debate_10_september_2023.html/comment-page-1#comment-3433507, she is just another politician.
    
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    September 15, 2023 2:22pm
    - kowtow
      
      ‘she is just another politician.’
      
      Yes , and tell us something we didn’t know.
      
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      September 15, 2023 2:46pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        So you, too, expect to be disappointed, not just by Willis, but by Luxon, Seymour, et al, too, kowtow? It’s a pretty miserable prospect, isn’t it?
        
        What we need is a new way of electing those who would represent us in parliament. We need to switch to PR/STV in large, multimember electoral areas (not districts), whereby all our MPs are directly elected by the People, and only a small percentage of votes cast are ineffective in helping to elect someone.
        
        I’ll leave it at that, for now.
        
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        September 15, 2023 3:34pm
Prince

Why is TVNZ reporting Willis’ statement that she would resign if tax cuts were not delivered as such a negative bombshell ?
I know it is unusual given Labour’s tenure for ministers to take responsibility for delivering their promises, but does anyone doubt National will implement their tax cut promise ?
TVNZ are really getting desperate to push their team.
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September 15, 2023 12:15pm
Swifty

If there’s ever been produced a better documentary on Enoch Powell I’ve never seen it:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1MZWqNFA970
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September 15, 2023 12:15pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Ever notice that Biden supporters never post anything pro-Biden?
It’s all just anti-Trump.
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September 15, 2023 12:39pm
- miltonF
  
  Their criticisms of Trump are usually a projection of Biden’s weaknesses too. Which I find quite amusing.
  
  “Trump is racist” umm it was Biden who said “poor kids are just as bright as white kids”
  
  “Trump is corrupt” umm it was Biden who said “if they don’t fire the prosecutor they aren’t getting the $1billion”
  
  “Trump is a warmonger, he’ll start WWIII” umm hello, Ukraine??
  
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  September 15, 2023 3:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/498069/host-kim-hill-leaves-rnz-s-saturday-morning-show-it-is-time-for-a-change-for-me

Must have seen the writing on the wall.
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September 15, 2023 1:05pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Press Officer for Labour???
  
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  September 15, 2023 1:11pm
Paulus

Sorry to see Kim Hill retire – she is one of the only sane performers in RNZ.
Always careful in her approach and speaks clear English too.
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September 15, 2023 1:29pm
- cmm
  
  She’s proudly claimed to be a socialist on air.
  At least she’s honest about it I guess.
  
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  September 15, 2023 2:28pm
- Cassandra
  
  Totally up herself.
  
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  September 15, 2023 2:43pm
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  Good riddance. Distinctly lacking in journalistic integrity and balance. I remember her response to a critical text was “I’m guessing you’re an old white male” (not my text, I would add).
  
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  September 15, 2023 3:46pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Not sorry. NZ needs far fewer left wing apologists in media. Their deluded/ignorant ilk have possibly doomed NZ.
  
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  September 15, 2023 4:09pm
- Prince
  
  The press release says she is moving on to do more ‘in depth’ interviews in December.
  I think they see the writing on the wall, and are setting up a hit-squad to critique National over the next three years.
  
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  September 15, 2023 5:55pm
DeepBlue

We are expecting about a 2% point increase in unemployment… around 60k.

I am quite comfortable with 15k of those being public servants from Wellington. Even more would be good. They can all take their comms degrees and policy degrees to Australia. Raise our productivity.

I now understand why Chippy was keen to sort the Australian residency issue. And why Robbo wanted his employment insurance scheme. Imagine paying that out this year for 60k people with little money coming in on premiums yet.
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September 15, 2023 1:40pm
- kowtow
  
  They’re expecting a big increase in unemployment and yet are boasting they’re flooding the country with low skill migrants and they still want us to think they can manage the economy.
  
  Where’s te media pahti questionning this utter madness.
  
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  September 15, 2023 2:36pm
Maggie Pie

Remember back when Dame Cindy suggested that before people came out of the toilet, everyone should sing the “Happy-Birthday-Song” while they scrubbed their mitts ?

I still do it.
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September 15, 2023 1:45pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, I try to avoid picturing Jacinda while in the toilet.
  
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  September 15, 2023 1:59pm
- Ghost
  
  Are you sure? I thought she said when your thinking of Jacinda sing Lilly Allen’s Fuck You.
  
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  September 15, 2023 2:24pm
Ghost

What a damn good boss

A young Kiwi man has gone global after a hilarious prank from his employer blew so far out of proportion that people from overseas started getting in on the act.

Despite being his birthday, Thursday was supposed to be just another day for West Aucklander Jack Sparrow (yes, that’s his real name).

Instead, the 21-year-old would become the butt of a prank that involved more than 500 people from across the globe.

Unknown to Sparrow, his boss Brendon Day had put up a sign in the middle of Kumeu with Sparrow’s face plastered all over it.

The sign featured instructions: “Today is Jack Sparrows 21st birthday. Text to wish him happy birthday”, with Sparrow’s number on display.

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September 15, 2023 2:29pm
Ghost

Out of interest .grant is rubble better than the shit pool you have turned the economy into?

Labour finance spokesperson Grant Robertson is slamming National’s Christopher Luxon and Nicola Willis over what he says are “rubble” claims of a “rock solid” tax cuts plan.

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September 15, 2023 2:33pm
Maggie Pie

TIKTOK trending 😎

This is the drag-queen that the Biden admin hired
to convince people to join the Military…..

https://tiktok.com/@harpydaniels/video/7253813200628665646?lang=en
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September 15, 2023 2:46pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Yeah, that’ll convince them.
  
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  September 15, 2023 2:56pm
- Ghost
  
  Should just stick with the village people….
  
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  September 15, 2023 2:58pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Here we go. How can I screw this Elders thing up?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/former-prime-minister-helen-clark-joins-select-global-group-the-elders/ar-AA1gK5VH
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September 15, 2023 3:03pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Sounds sinister. Do they have Protocols?
  
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  September 15, 2023 5:05pm
Ghost

Does anyone know if Chippy is the leader of national? He seems to talk a lot about national.

Seems to either be eating or visiting kindergartens, too scared of visiting adults?

Chris Hipkins has been visiting a local kindy provider, where he talked about extending free to 2-year-olds.

National is underfunding early childhood education, he said.

“They want to take away that funding.

“National also want to sack people working in Kainga Ora.”

The National Party want to turn their back on progress in social housing, he said.

“National’s numbers simply don’t add up with regard to their tax plan.

“It’s irresponsible and unaffordable.”

Hipkins said National has a multi-billion dollar hole in their tax plan, which will mean cuts to education and health services.

National also want to cut what they call back room roles that will ultimately affect services Kiwis rely on.

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September 15, 2023 3:11pm
- Mrs_Right
  
  “National also want to cut what they call back room roles that will ultimately affect services Kiwis rely on.”
  
  I think most of us will do just fine without the Pasifika Ministry and their $40.000 farewell parties.
  
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  September 15, 2023 3:21pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Sounds like a whole stream of lies. Will the MSM challenge him? Will they heck as like!
    
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    September 15, 2023 5:47pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

King of monikers. The power of branding.
Well ‘Crooked Hillary’ wins hands down!

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/the-king-of-monikers-from-crooked-hillary-to-sleepy-joe-trump-s-hilarious-nicknames/ss-AA1gIwDV
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September 15, 2023 3:14pm
mandk

Crikey, this is serious:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300937743/man-drove-illegal-car-at-200kph-moments-before-killing-father-of-two

What do we reckon he’ll get? Knowing how feeble sentences are nowadays, it will probably be something like three months HD and a six-month driving ban.
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September 15, 2023 3:27pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Orange Man bad.
To me it does not matter. Why does it upset people?
He may use a dyed aftershave, so bloody what?
As long as it upsets the left, then fuck the left. You sad, sad people.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/is-donald-trump-getting-younger/ss-AA1gEvTA
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September 15, 2023 3:28pm
Maggie Pie

Haven’t posted a ‘DARWIN AWARD’ for a wee while 😎

https://twitter.com/FAFO_TV/status/1702098937291698482
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September 15, 2023 3:29pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Wonder where the horn went?
  
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  September 15, 2023 4:02pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Novel. Don’t generally see young women taking pointless risks to impress, particularly when they’re in a weight class that only allows them to waddle.
  
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  September 15, 2023 4:05pm
  - Jethrod
    
    That definitely wasn’t “pointless”
    
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    September 15, 2023 4:37pm
thirteenstars

Your chance to sign the Free Speech Union’s public letter in support of Posie Parker’s right to speak in Auckland, which amounts to her entry visa not being denied:

https://www.fsu.nz/allow_posie_parker_entry_into_new_zealand
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September 15, 2023 3:58pm
Maggie Pie

See where NZME were in receipt of the best part of
$4m in wage subsidies from the taxpayer…..

https://twitter.com/dbott69/status/1702451853118570522
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September 15, 2023 5:19pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, Hosking must have been under tremendous pressure to conform.
  
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  September 15, 2023 5:27pm
  - kevn
    
    InOut… Hosking was very restrained in his interview with robberson.
    
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    September 15, 2023 5:37pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Very disappointed in Hosking’s interview. I’m curious to know why he was so, so soft on Robertson. Completely different from his interview of Hipkins.
      
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      September 15, 2023 5:44pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    For the the last 2 days, ZBNews have lead with….
    
    “Nicola Willis has promised to resign if National can’t deliver tax cuts”
    
    My partner calls them – ‘Bort & paid for Labor-suckholes’. No wonder!!
    
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    September 15, 2023 6:38pm
    - Prince
      
      If this is big news, can we assume no Labour politician will resign if their promises are not delivered ?
      I guess we know the answer to that, eg Kiwibuild…
      
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      September 15, 2023 8:03pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/132946495/good-george-vs-the-warriors-up-the-wahs-trademark-battle-ends-between-club-and-brewery
“Up the Wahs” must be the most puerile, pathetic and ludicrous saying yet from an equally fatuous lot of followers.
Just embarrassing.
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September 15, 2023 5:32pm
Ghost

Joe won’t stand again

Make no mistake: Ignatius’ column is more than a suggestion- it’s a marching order. When American intelligence wants to put out a hit, they feed it to David Ignatius and today, Ignatius pulled the pin on Joe Biden’s 2024 run. He’s turning Washington’s whispers into a rallying cry. The American intelligence community has to tie up their loose ends.

Even the media is falling in line: admitting the Democratic party is a dishonest monolith. A mob that can’t function when it’s fractured. The Biden-Kamala ticket is being cancelled in its entirety and the intelligence community is making a calculation.

Twitter
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September 15, 2023 5:49pm
Prince

Can’t wait for the media to run this critique of the Govt (and Opposition) from their new-found friend.

https://croakingcassandra.com/2023/09/15/the-fiscal-gap-that-is-macroeconomically-significant/

Or will it be quietly shelved ?
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September 15, 2023 6:32pm
Warren

So why has our Government Leaders like Prime Minister Chris Hipkins, Finance Minister Grant Robertson and Housing Minister Megan Woods let our tenants of Kianga Ora be behind in rents to the tune of $60 million.
So October 14th General Election can’t come quick enough for this bunch of incompetence Ministers and our Prime Minister to be held to account.
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September 15, 2023 7:02pm
Ghost

They might owe it, but it will never get paid back

Newshub can reveal emergency housing tenants owe the government more than $60 million. Rent was introduced on the scheme three years ago to ease the burden on the taxpayer. But just 22 percent of those households have paid.
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September 15, 2023 7:54pm
- Prince
  
  Hipkins was asked about this. Apparently something they are ‘looking at’…blah blah blah…vulnerable people…people should pay something but…vulnerable people….
  In other words, write it off. After the election of course.
  
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  September 15, 2023 8:01pm
  - Ghost
    
    I can’t see the issue, if they are getting a benefit, they will be getting an accommodation supplement I would expect, so she is that going
    
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