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NeverMindTheBollocks

175,000 are forecast to pay to visit attend a four month exhibition of Marvel comics at the new Wellington Conference Centre. That’s more than 1,000 per day, every day.

Seems unlikely to me; I’d be relaxed about that, except that I have a sneaking suspicion that ratepayers will be on the hook for any shortfall.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/entertainment/2023/09/earth-s-mightiest-exhibition-why-wellington-is-about-to-become-mecca-for-marvel-fans.html
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September 10, 2023 8:01am
- Biscuit
  
  Remember Sesqui 1990, NMTB?:
  
  From Wikipedia:
  
  NZ$150,000 worth of fireworks launched Sesqui 1990 on 23 February 1990, with the festival opening the following day.
  
  The festival organisers had made a decision to split the event between two venues, one at the Wellington Waterfront and the other at the (then) Wellington Show and Sports Centre (Winter Show Building) in Newtown. Despite the arrangement of a shuttle bus service between these two venues, this decision had the effect of confusing and frustrating potential visitors to the festival, with the result that neither venue attracted visitor numbers beyond an average of 2,500 per day.
  
  The organisers had also adopted a policy against advertising the daily schedules for musical and other performances taking place at either venue. This policy was based on the assumption that it would encourage visitors to prolong their stay and to make numerous return visits so as not to miss seeing favourite performers. As a result, a number of popular musicians, singers and other entertainers played to largely empty houses because the public did not know when or where they were performing.
  
  Within days of the opening of the festival, media reports began to suggest that it was faltering. During a heated radio interview, Wellington City Councillor Ruth Gotlieb maintained that it was “every Wellingtonian’s civic duty to attend Sesqui.”
  
  Pre-ticket sales had reached only 2.4% of targets, and after opening, the $12 entry fee to the festival soon dropped to $6 in a desperate bid to attract visitors.[1] The highest attendance figure was achieved during the final days of the event, when 32,000 visitors took advantage of a decision to waive all entry fees, which were widely regarded as being excessive.
  
  Although planned to run for six weeks, Sesqui 1990 closed after only 12 days, on 7 March 1990, with debts in excess of NZ$6.4 million.
  
  Aftermath
  The collapse of the Sesqui 1990 festival forced a number of small companies that had been contracted to supply various goods and services to the event into receivership and/or bankruptcy. The Wellington Show Association was liquidated in 1999.
  
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  September 10, 2023 9:12am
  - coge
    
    The band I was in did a brief preliminary performance at the show buildings, for the councillors. They all drove Jags, and the women were all wearing winter fur coats. Looked like a lot of ego’s right there. At the ratepayers expense.
    
    Next we performed at the outdoor area on a Sunday. Was a professional type venue, but no audience was there. Ray Columbus and the Invaders played after us. They had no audience either. But hey, it was easy money for Wellington’s struggling musicians!
    
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    September 10, 2023 10:04am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Reminds me of Rotorua Lakes Council who under-wrote 5 “Mudtopia” events including buying $90,000 of mud to be imported from Korea! Fortunately the public outcry was enough to see them aborting this “coals to Newcastle” boondoggle, but sadly not enough to cancel the first event, which cost ratepayers over $600k.
    
    The business case had 3 scenarios – pessimistic, realistic and optimistic. The worst of these forecast more than $1.3m in revenue and a loss of $575k.
    
    Actual revenue was a tick over $900k (about 2/3 of their “pessimistic” forecast) and losses were just over $600k, about $30k worse than their worst forecast. Event was cancelled after 1 year, mercifully for the Vegas ratepayers.
    
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    September 10, 2023 10:57am
    - Matt Long
      
      My fix for the situation is that if CONsultants are going to offer advice on tax or ratepayer funded events, they be required to underwrite any shortfall in funds below their projections.
      I think the quality of advice would improve dramatically.
      
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      September 10, 2023 1:36pm
- Master Mariner
  
  So that was the reason for promoting Covid vaccination useing Marvel comic characters ?
  Jeesus Christ!
  
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  September 10, 2023 11:46am
- Dougal10
  
  When there is an exhibition at our local gallery council put on busses for all the schools and count the free entry children in the door clicks .
  
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  September 10, 2023 4:34pm
Warren

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https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/election-2023/497636/act-s-david-seymour-floats-confidence-only-partnership-no-supply
This is another reason you can’t trust David Seymour, just like I believe 16.7% shouldn’t give Maori the right to have a equal share in Co Governance I don’t believe Act and David Seymour should be demanding the policies they want to pass in Government should have strings attached like David Seymour has indicated, a Coalition is a not a equal share its about what’s good for New Zealand not David Seymour and Act or Chris Luxon and National.
If Act get more votes or seats in the house they get the chance to lead the Coalition if not it is down to negotiating not blackmailing the partnership before it even becomes law and is not fair before the Election even starts. You watch the echo chamber of Act voters voice their support for David Seymour on this whilst calling Chris Luxon weak and other names to justify David Seymour rant
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September 10, 2023 8:01am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  “…they get the chance to lead the Coalition if not it is down to negotiating not blackmailing the partnership before it even becomes law and is not fair before the Election even starts.”
  
  Luxon should stop his recent practice of ruling out ACT “negotiation” issues before the election then.
  
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  September 10, 2023 8:33am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Luxon ‘knows’ he is going to need Act so he needs to stop talking rubbish and get down to basics.
    
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    September 10, 2023 9:08am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Act is getting my Party Vote.
      
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      September 10, 2023 9:43am
      - Piniwi
        
        Right Steve and it is starting to look a lot less cut and dried as the election draws closer. Luxon’s woke tendencies are starting to make some voters uneasy and suspect they may become more a part of being on track than is desirable to the majority. It might even the thing that makes his a one term Government.
        
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        September 10, 2023 12:25pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Sorry Steve but he can say what he likes to differentiate from ACT, why should he tie Acts line, after the election all changes
      
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      September 10, 2023 10:01am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Making sure that Seymour is not the new Winston maybe?
        
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        September 10, 2023 10:28am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    No Luxon should not stop saying these are not our policies, he is differentiating the Nats from ACT, Seymour is starting to act like the great charlatan and may well lose votes back to Nats in the last month, people are over instability
    
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    September 10, 2023 9:50am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Given that the current government has an absolute majority, I don’t think instability is our problem!
      
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      September 10, 2023 11:00am
  - Piniwi
    
    There is a growing number of potential or even some loyal National voters looking harder at ACT as the better option to provide the course correction New Zealand needs. Polls have National stalled in the mid 30’s as a result of being too woke and failing to assure voters they will put a stake in the ground and end the Maorification pushed by Labour. Then the big announcement last week was totally spoiled when Willis took the podium and started in with a Tina Cocoa again making them sound like Labour Lite.
    It is possible that the ACT vote will far outdo the indications from the polls and they may yet have more to bargain with when it come to coalition talks. Their weakest link is in their 2IC who’s immaturity and limited experience coupled with needing to be reprogramed from Green think might cause some misteps.
    
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    September 10, 2023 12:14pm
    - Countrygirl
      
      I really feel National have to stick in that middle ground at least pre election. They have the potential to frighten the nervous lefties types to the Greens or even back to Labour. Leave the right wingers to go to Act, National will try to gather up the middle. They can’t squabble over the same voters. After the election then right wing ideas can steer the ship away from the rocks.
      
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      September 10, 2023 2:54pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Will some leftie go back to Labour after 6 years of Labour wrecking NZ?
        I think the destruction of NZ was done on purpose – for control.
        It was not done properly. Someone realised they could not stand against the final socialist push — then she ran. Off like a Jew’s foreskin.
        
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        September 10, 2023 3:17pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Yo Sreve
        
        Great that the destruction left your pension intact. And your access to free surgical care.
        
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        September 10, 2023 5:48pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Don’t talk shit Boag – the Health Department is a mess.
        Sure, I have had two surgeries by a surgeon that specialised in cubital tunnel only, but there are people dying from cancer because they can not get surgery.
        
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        September 11, 2023 7:56am
- ClanMcleod
  
  If National weren’t so insipid on so many critical issues, they would have much more support and less need to worry about Act or NZF. (Or horror of horrors, the Greens 😱)
  
  They chose to battle for the centre/left of centre. They are reaping the reward.
  
  Their fear of offending anyone (except ‘anti vaxxers’ apparently) is palpable.
  
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  September 10, 2023 8:35am
  - Prince
    
    The reward is moving from the low 20’s to the mid 30’s.
    
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    September 10, 2023 9:05am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I would say that was as much due to Labour’s collapse as it was down to anything inspirational from National.
      If there was any reasonably competent government in power, National would be struggling to hit 30 which should be of great concern to their faithful supporters.
      
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      September 10, 2023 10:55am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is what Luxon is doing – playing Act against Greens.
    Listen up girls, there is a Country that needs digging out of the shit.
    Stop with the childish games!
    
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    September 10, 2023 9:11am
    - mawm
      
      Luxon should be up front and declare whether Greens or ACT are his preferred coalition partner. Or is he doing a Winston??
      
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      September 10, 2023 9:49am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Tell that yo Seymour, he is threatening to shaft the next government
      
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      September 10, 2023 10:02am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Good point Clan.
    There is also the problem that there are very few people remaining at the centre of this increasingly polarised society.
    
    Luxon might be chasing ghosts.
    
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    September 10, 2023 9:15am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      imalwaysright – that’s a point I hadn’t considered and I believe you are correct. There has been a huge increase in the polarisation.
      
      National appear to have read the room wrong.
      
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      September 10, 2023 9:53am
  - David Garrett
    
    Clan: Spot on. “Inspid” is a perfect word for both National in 2023 and their leader. They have a long history of changing fuck all when they get back in after six years of Labour, and Seymour quite rightly rejects that “do nothing substantive” approach.
    
    And no disrespect for Seymour – he has increased ACT’s vote share tenfold and that is greatly to his credit – but I believe a significant part of ACT’s new found level of support is because National is so firkin useless.
    
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    September 10, 2023 9:54am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      David Seymour has matured after many years of experience.
      He knows the bearpit, and can stand up to them!
      
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      September 10, 2023 3:20pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Nats have ruled out the greens, Luxon has every right to say these policies are not ours, he can say anything he likes, but it changes when the election has been had, people say he is weak, giving Seymour the middle finger over policies suggests he is not weak, when they start negotiating, the Nats have certain things they can trade off, but Seymour with his smug arrogance will have to trade much of the crap he is spouting now.
    
    One policy I was stump with is the first test free, the Nats think that’s a waste, I was surprised they changed their mind, I think it’s a simple thing for them to say okay we will get rid of free fees, it’s an easy billion dollars, and will be able to fund the tax cuts if there is a short fall, there will be other policies they can easily wash their hands of, Seymour spouting his stupidity makes him look arrogant and petulant, no wonder he is losing support to NZF
    
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    September 10, 2023 9:59am
  - thirteenstars
    
    I said that six months ago that National has gone full-on Teal so some kind of arrangement with the Greens on certain issues is not out of the question.
    
    Luxon has not only said they are deeply committed to achieving 2030 and Net Zero 2050, but incredibly that the portfolio of Climate Change Minister will be brought into cabinet.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQcqyREKDXo
    
    And if it should happen, watch the Nat stalwarts sit back, arms folded, and say, mumble mumble, smart politics, mumble mumble, Seymour, jumped up little shit, mumble mumble.
    
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    September 10, 2023 10:13am
    - Hollyfield
      
      I think National can work with the Greens, but the questions is, can the Greens work with National?
      
      From memory Bill English approached the Greens following the 2017 election and was rebuffed. If the Greens were just a little bit mature about looking at what areas they could work with another party on, Winston wouldn’t have had all the power. Marama “all violence is perpetrated by cis white males” Davidson is not likely to form a coalition with Chris Luxon. The only person in the Greens who might consider such an arrangement would be James Shaw, but as his favourability has waned within the Greens I don’t see any kind of agreement between National and the Greens.
      
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      September 10, 2023 11:13am
      - thirteenstars
        
        “I think National can work with the Greens, but the questions is, can the Greens work with National?”
        
        Well, that’s the problem right there, that National could work with a bunch of rainbow-ticking, co-governance-loving, anti-free speech, neo-Marxist watermelons.
        
        That the Greens wouldn’t work with National makes them at least true to their principles no matter how dangerous they are.
        
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        September 10, 2023 11:55am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Bang on, but please don’t fall into the lazy mistake of calling sensible, sane, qualified New Zealanders who have pointed out thousands of times that experimental mRNA injections are not vaccinations “anti-vaxxers” quotes or otherwise.
    
    Even the WHO attempted to redefine the term “vaccination” to account for the fact that the jabs were not vaccines in any sense of the word.
    
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    September 10, 2023 11:02am
- Grunter
  
  Luxon would find his policies are closer to Labour, so it seems increasingly more likely that we will see a Nat-Labour coalition Govt post Oct 14th.
  
  National are no longer centre-right. They are firmly centre-left.
  
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  September 10, 2023 8:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Since Luxon came along National have been cuddling Labour.
    
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    September 10, 2023 9:13am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Grunter – when you look hard at their policies, it’s very hard to dispute that they have transitioned to centre-left, hence the vacuum being filled by Act and to some extent, NZF.
    
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    September 10, 2023 9:25am
  - Hollyfield
    
    @Grunter I can’t see that happening ever, certainly not for several election cycles. Many National supporters understand in business you negotiate and work together to get as much of a win-win for everyone, and you work alongside those you don’t necessarily agree with. Labour however hate National with a passion. They would never cede any amount of power to what they consider is the enemy.
    
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    September 10, 2023 9:41am
- mw
  
  It is Davids job to secure as much for his voters as he can. If he gets more of his policy through supply and confidence then why not?
  
  There has never been an equal share of policy based on the party percentage. The more the parties have equal votes the more they have equal compromises. The smaller the vote the more power they have in relation to that percentage. What happens at Labour having 43%, nats having 43% and ACT having 14%, That is going to be worth more than 14% to someone or we would be having another election.
  
  How do you even measure what is act policy or national when determining how much they should have based on their vote?ACTS policy on one thing may just be a very small change to the nats policy while another may be very different.
  
  Whatever you are suggesting, it wont take long before you see it working against you.
  
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  September 10, 2023 8:45am
- Matt Long
  
  Actually that appears to be a very principled stand by Seymour. A shame Luxon is hell bent on impoverishing New Zealand for net zero.
  
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  September 10, 2023 8:48am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    How exactly is Luxon impoverishiing NZ for net zero?
    
    Does allowing farmers include wetland carbon sequestration in their cco2 calculation impoverish NZ?
    
    Does increasing electricity generation impoverish NZ?
    
    Does preparing for the inevitable conversion to electric vehicles impoverish NZ?
    
    How about allowing farmers to access higher yield lower carbon GE pasture, does that impoverish NZ?
    
    How does Luxons suggestion NZ includes carbon sequestration in our surrounding oceans on our c02 calculations.
    
    And last but not least how does Nationals policy to pay the ETS money back to NZ families impoverish NZ?
    
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    September 10, 2023 11:49am
  - Master Mariner
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/sep/08/biggest-clean-energy-disaster-in-years-uk-auction-secures-no-offshore-windfarms
    
    What a shambles.
    
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    September 10, 2023 1:29pm
- Hollyfield
  
  I thought the entire “article” was a media beatup.
  
  Q. Do you support (insert Act policy)
  Luxon: that’s not our (National’s) policy
  
  That doesn’t mean they can’t negotiate after the election and agree to support selected policies from each other, and agree to withdraw certain policies that the other strongly disagrees with.
  
  The article tried to paint the two parties as unable to work together and I think that is just a left wing person trying to stir up trouble and scare voters.
  
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  September 10, 2023 8:51am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “Negotiate’ A word rarely used in NZ Politics.
    They are all Prima Donnas.
    
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    September 10, 2023 9:16am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Exactly, and once again the usual suspects are falling for the media filthy trying to drive a wedge between Nats snd Act
    
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    September 10, 2023 10:05am
  - James Stephenson
    
    You’re onto it.
    
    FWIW, as a long time, nailed-on ACT voter (as in, I was one of the 13k-ish people that gave them their vote in 2017) I have no problem at all with Luxon’s “not our policy” line.
    
    It’s true and it dodges the question whilst allowing swing voters who are scared of ACT to hear “we won’t don’t do that”. Luxon might be a manager, rather than a leader, but he’s not an idiot and sure as sh1t he understands sales and marketing.
    
    DS has attracted a bunch of former National voters be being clear and principled about what he wants to achieve so he has to sound firm on those things and if it makes him sound a bit Winstonish, that’s because he’s stolen a chunk of voters from that direction he doesn’t want to lose (and neither would sensible Nat voters want him to lose).
    
    I’d bet a considerable sum that behind the scenes, negotiations are already underway because the last thing either party wants is a week’s worth of buggering about before the new government is announced.
    
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    September 10, 2023 1:33pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Warren, you really don’t understand the NZ Democracy do you.
  You did live thru the Covid experiment, Coal and Gas industry being gutted etc etc foisted on the NZ public by the minority party and that Winston person???
  
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  September 10, 2023 9:01am
  - Vinicius
    
    Winston and friends may get back in Parliament again unfortunately.
    
    Some voters have a very short attention span sadly and will vote for this guy’s Party. It is a bit rich for Peters to now apparently have buyer’s remorse about putting Ardern and co in power 6 years after they’ve damaged NZ so badly.
    
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    September 10, 2023 9:53am
    - Ghost
      
      If they had short attention spans they would forget how labour, national, act, greens treated them the last few years and vote for them. Winston will get in because the main parties will not address what they did the last three years. Easy to take his oxygen away and stop him getting re-elected. But easier to put head in the sand and ignore the elephant in the room
      
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      September 10, 2023 10:02am
      - septic skeptic
        
        A few words spring to mind. Gullible. Snake oil. Baubles.
        
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        September 10, 2023 10:25am
      - miltonF
        
        @skeptic
        Yes, the choices appear to be snake oil or being pissed on the face and told it’s raining.
        
        Mmmm…I’ll take my chances with the snake-oil thanks. Urine does not sound very tasty.
        
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        September 10, 2023 1:56pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Cheers Ghost – that’s exactly what it is, yip, yip…….
        
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        September 11, 2023 7:22am
    - Warren
      
      Your a bit naive if you think that people that post on here didn’t play a part in enabling Winston Peters to do that as many voted for him to keep National honest.
      
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      September 10, 2023 2:57pm
- rockape
  
  ACTs leader is currently on a path to damage his party. He has done well because many want to see a shift in the government to the right. If Seymour plays silly games then he will lose votes back to National where they came from. His arrogance is likely to be his downfall. I suspect some of the five candidates who have deserted him know this. Voters could well follow the example of those candidates. In 2026 Seymore could be gone and what’s left of his party could be looking for a cup of tea with the PM.
  
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  September 10, 2023 9:03am
  - MikeMan
    
    He is not being held to hostage and good on him, it is one of the reasons ACT will be getting my party vote.
    
    “This is our platform and these are our principles that we run on and we will not significantly comprise them for baubles of power” is a refreshing change.
    
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    September 10, 2023 9:41am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Threatening to destabilise a new government is the principle of Peters, unwanted by most voters, if he doesn’t get back to worrying about his own policies then people may well go back to Nats
      
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      September 10, 2023 10:10am
      - sirknz
        
        As opposed to Labour whose MPs managed to destabilise things by themselves?
        
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        September 10, 2023 10:47am
    - rockape
      
      I predicted ACT getting15% a long time ago. Now I think he will be in single figures and National will be the beneficiary . The only thing Seymour will have to blame is his own arrogance.
      
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      September 10, 2023 10:40am
  - Warren
    
    Rockape the Act echo chamber is alive and healthy on this blog, and they would have you believe that it is all Chris Luxon fault.
    People need to go back to the archives on this blog to see these same people used do and say the same things about Winston Peter’s we are voting for him to keep National honest
    
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    September 10, 2023 10:49am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    His Winston type posturing has been around a long time, which is what has mainly put me off ACT.v2022/23. However, this little GD snippet intrigued me yesterday, particularly the poster’s use of italics for …. “Seymour’s” ……
    ” ……. but of the late the official ACT policy – or perhaps I should say Seymour’s policy – imposed on the rest their caucus – is to distance the party from me as much as they can.”
    
    Maybe David G can tell us a little bit more about Seymour’s “off camera” attributes – or maybe not ….
    
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    September 10, 2023 2:16pm
- KH
  
  I have no problem with the Nats having to negotiate with ACT. It comes about if lots of NZers vote ACT.
  And if they do vote that way, then their vote should have a say.
  
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  September 10, 2023 9:12am
  - rockape
    
    Fine, then if you don’t want a Labour government or another election due to a hung government you have to vote National.
    
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    September 10, 2023 10:04am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes snd that’s entirely fair, but Seymour seems to think he has already scored 25% the way he is going, it is stopping undecided voters making up their mind for change
    
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    September 10, 2023 10:11am
  - rockape
    
    Almost as many vote Green as ACT . Should they have. A say too. ACT will get some consessions but not enough of what they want because that would likely see Labour back in power in 2026.
    
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    September 10, 2023 10:36am
- PeeJay
  
  Seems pretty principled approach to me.
  
  Let’s say ACT end up with a third of the numbers in a National / ACT government – they probably won’t (unfortunately) but for simplicity lets say it’s 1/3 ACT and 2/3 National. Putting aside the election posturing from both Luxon and Seymour, the basic principle in post-election horse trading is that each party will win on some things and lose on others. If it was 2/3 National to 1/3 ACT, then you’d roughly expect the overall policy direction of the new government to reflect that. Unless ACT end up with some big concessions so that the combined National / ACT policy includes around a third of ACT’s manifesto, then Seymour would be dead right to sit on the cross benches.
  
  I suspect this is part of the theatre of the election period. Post election, a deal should be relatively easy to put together. However, this may be the first time that National have ever had to make some real, deep, concussions on policy – it will be interesting to see how they manage this. Personally, I suspect this is the sole reason Luxon is tempting fate by keeping Winston in play – he’ll be hoping Winston can be used to neuter Seymour but he forgets just how treacherous Winston can be.
  
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  September 10, 2023 9:14am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Seymour is the only one posturing, he is threatening centre votes to be lost by both parties, and he has no right to threaten cross benches without supply, that means he will vote against Nats on several issues with labour greens and TPM
    
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    September 10, 2023 10:15am
    - PeeJay
      
      Come on G- surely you are not that naive?
      
      Every politician does it – Luxon is doing it when he campaigns and focuses on National policy, or when he refuses to rule out Winston. Seymour is doing it when he threatens the cross benches. Winston always does it. Hipkins did it when he ruled out Winston. It’s all just theatre – the real talks will take place behind closed doors once the numbers are in. Everything can and will be on the table and red lines will be few and far between.
      
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      September 10, 2023 10:28am
    - Hollyfield
      
      @G “that means he will vote against Nats on several issues” – no it means National will have to convince Act of the merits of each issue. If they can’t convince another group to support the issue, maybe the issue isn’t worth supporting.
      
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      September 10, 2023 11:18am
    - ProtectBabiesFromPredators
      
      [Mod – debate what is said, cut no need to make it personal]
      
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      September 10, 2023 7:14pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  It must be really depressing to be a Labour back bencher or some Cabinet Ministers and know you only have four weeks left in the best paying job you will ever have.
  Oh Dear who cares never mind.
  
  BTW I see Sheffield took a large advt in the Hearld yesterday advertising the senior roles in the northern 3/5/7 Waters outfit. The only way I would apply for any of the roles would be if they had a golden parachute of at least a years salary. You would have to question the wisdom and ability of anyone who applies. They are clearly not in touch with politics and blind to the landslide Labour are going to suffer come 14 October.
  
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  September 10, 2023 9:30am
  - GJM
    
    Don’t forget they get 3 months reduncey at full pay. The rest os us taxpaying fools who pay for it are lucky to get a month if our job ends, wnd we usually ahve to work that out as well.
    
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    September 11, 2023 5:29pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I down tucked you solely for shocking punctuation and syntax 😅
  
  I think you should let it go. What do you mean you “can’t trust him”? He is a politician 🤡 It will get sorted in negotiations. Or not, I guess and we get another election but that is very unlikely.
  
  There are very few people you can “trust”. And politicians would be not far above journalists. 😂
  
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  September 10, 2023 9:41am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    You down tucked ?
    
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    September 10, 2023 10:16am
    - Matt Long
      
      Irony; noun, the process of G from Dunners pointing out spelling mistakes by Benedict Yu.
      
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      September 10, 2023 1:44pm
    - ProtectBabiesFromPredators
      
      [Mod – debate what is said, cut out the personal attacks]
      
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      September 10, 2023 7:20pm
  - Warren
    
    So please Mr Headmaster how do you spell ticked because I am not as clever as you.
    You have corrected my spelling three times the week, so if you don’t like it don’t read it .
    
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    September 10, 2023 10:17am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Well spotted 😳 That is called a typo.
      
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      September 10, 2023 10:24am
      - mw
        
        No full stop at the end of the sentence is also a punctuation error. An emoji is not punctuation. 🙂
        
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        September 10, 2023 10:51am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Exactly, watch for the usual suspects. Seymour has made more clear than ever, he will sit on the cross benches, if so this country will stay a mess, if he can’t pull his head in he will push voters to Nats, he is leeching yo NZF because his mouth is exploding with his brain.
  
  Good on Luxon for trying to differentiate from ACT, why people think he should simply toe ACTs line is beyond me, his party is not ACT.
  
  My mate has finely said he will vote act, I told him they are talking about sitting on the cross benches, he said they better bloody not, after Seymour’s words yesterday, he is reevaluating his support
  
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  September 10, 2023 9:48am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Damn you too 😂
    
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    September 10, 2023 10:07am
- blue collar
  
  Well brother Wazza , what you are seeing but aren’t used to , is a leader with a spine .
  Seymour knows what he wants , and will fight for it .
  Nats better be careful , they may cede the entire right to Seymour n Winnie
  Next election labour gone , nats holding the left. ACT romping home with the right
  
  At the end of the day [Mod – don’t attack a person based on apperance]
  
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  September 10, 2023 9:49am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I recognise this is Wikipedia, so not authoritative. But read this narrative defining “centre left politics”.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centre-left_politics#:~:text=Centre%2Dleft%20politics%20is%20the,social%20liberalism%20and%20green%20politics.
    
    Without any embellishment, this is a perfect fit for the National Party today. Sure, far preferable to the current madness and criminal waste. It will be a much more efficient, democratic government. But without the influence of ACT it WILL be a centre left government. Chances of New Zealand being restored to prosperity comparable to middle OECD countries? Absolutely zero.
    
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    September 10, 2023 10:17am
    - cmm
      
      Correct.
      By any sensible (international) level:
      * Greens etc: loonie left
      * Labour: solid Left.
      * National: Centre Left
      * Act: Centre
      
      I’ve been saying that for a while. There is no real “right wing” in NZ.
      
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      September 10, 2023 3:38pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Agree. A “right wing” political party would be taking aim at a universal hospital system, and the welfare system (USA style life time limits on welfare).
        
        There is nothing like that in New Zealand.
        
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        September 10, 2023 4:21pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        BY
        
        Pension would be gone too ….
        
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        September 10, 2023 5:57pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    No, Seymour is being an idiot leave tgd bullshit till after the election, he seems to suggest all policies be taken up by Nats with no more than a third of the vote of Nats
    
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    September 10, 2023 10:18am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Are you literally saying that Seymour expects all ACT policies to be adopted in an incoming coalition government?
      
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      September 10, 2023 10:26am
      - mawm
        
        Bene – You understand gobbledegook?
        
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        September 10, 2023 10:32am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Just an addendum.
      
      David Seymour is perfectly entitled to nominate the adoption of any ACT policy as a prerequisite for a coalition, and to tell voters now. One might be the referendum on the Treaty. Without that, no show. Sit on the cross benches with a confidence and supply agreement.
      
      Do you think that would cost ACT votes? Maybe some. But other folk will be cheering in the streets 😂
      
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      September 10, 2023 10:50am
- leoj
  
  Seymour is being transparent, declaring his stance ahead of the election, unlike Luxon, who is the classic woke waffler.
  
  Many of us like and want to know what to expect, such as a referendum on the Treaty Principles, something Luxon is unwilling to talk about.
  
  In other words, Seymour is showing Luxon up to be the spineless rookie he is.
  
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  September 10, 2023 10:39am
  - Warren
    
    That’s the pot calling the kettle.
    
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    September 10, 2023 12:18pm
    - Mark Hanley
      
      Maybe Luxon is using his enormous intellect to play a clever game.
      
      Focus on securing the switch of Labour Voters to National whilst colluding with your coalition partners to introduce policies which need to happen.
      
      Peter’s is covering the covid inquiry,
      
      Seymour the TOW referendum.
      
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      September 10, 2023 1:07pm
      - ProtectBabiesFromPredators
        
        You are correct!
        
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        September 10, 2023 7:28pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Mark Hanley – I hope the scenario you outline is correct. It’s the best hope for NZ.
        If that is the only thing Peters achieves it will be his best contribution to the country in his life.
        It’s why he’s most likely to get my vote at the election.
        
        Of course, if National made a strong statement acknowledging the horrors inflicted on so many during covid and promised a similar inquiry, my vote would switch to National in a heartbeat.
        
        It’s that easy.
        
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        September 11, 2023 7:31am
- rouppe
  
  I don’t understand your problem.
  
  Act and National have a small number of policies they are close on, and a larger number of policies they are farther apart on.
  
  If Luxon were to say “no” to all of the latter, and act went “oh, ok then” then that would be a failure for all the act supporters. They would get nothing.
  
  The confidence only route means national has to negotiate policy by policy.
  
  If you see national getting legislation passed by getting green or Labour proxies, then you know national really is Labour-lite.
  
  If national gets policy with act, it’s likely to be more transformational.
  
  Ideal? What is ideal in politics?
  
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  September 10, 2023 11:38am
- peterwn
  
  I took the bother to read this (and uptick it) even though it was ‘hidden’. In my opinion David Seymour is getting excessively cocky to the point of damaging the centre right vote. Up to now I would say that those feeling more comfortable with ACT could vote ACT but I would now strongly advise anyone voting ACT. ACT by its behaviour may well snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in October. Assuming that National / ACT gets the majority in October, the next challenge is winning the 2026 election. If ACT forces National too far to the right in the next three years (assuming they have the majority), it could scare sufficient voters that the 2026 election would be a foregone conclusion.
  
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  September 10, 2023 2:23pm
  - ProtectBabiesFromPredators
    
    Do not predict, follow the promises. Almost none come to fruition. As a Lawyer, the murkiness will enthrall you. These Politicians do not take prisoners.
    They are all colourblind in the quest for Power.
    
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    September 10, 2023 7:35pm
- Local Miller
  
  I addressed this in a post last week, but I’ll say it again. I’m sure Luxon is aware that he must negotiate a full coalition with Act otherwise National will forever be running government off the back foot. A minority national government will be so weak it will get almost nothing done and will be a one term government. I’m pretty sure Luxon’s aware of this and will be prepared to give some ground to ACT. He’ll sell it to their voters as “the cost of forming a strong government”, which is exactly what it is.
  
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  September 10, 2023 6:04pm
  - peterwn
    
    But Chris Luxon is not obligated to negotiate with ACT before the election. Indeed Chris Luxon would be foolish to do so. Threats from ACT about what they might do after the election are completely hollow at this stage. They can only be taken as tub-thumping for the benefit of ACT supporters. I cannot understand why Seymour is making threats at this stage, doing so is counterproductive and could lose the centre right.a sliver of support which could be essential for victory or give Winston a foot in the door.
    Agreed after the election there would be intensive negotiations in the proverbial smoke filled room if National and ACT are potentially in a position to form a government. There will be rats to be swallowed on both sides. While Chris may not be a skilled ‘platform’ politician he will be a tough negotiator.
    
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    September 10, 2023 6:44pm
Chuck Bird

Hope this comes to Hamilton

RIVER OF FREEDOM

https://riveroffreedom.nz/
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September 10, 2023 8:03am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Chuck Bird – I haven’t seen it, looking forward to it. It should be shown on prime time TV.
  
  From the feedback I’ve received it is a very balanced documentary, no attempt to pretend it was all sweetness and light.
  
  It would go a long way to start the required conversation to help the healing and repair the damage done to the whole country.
  
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  September 10, 2023 8:28am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Won’t be shown on prime TV unless it is heavily edited.
    
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    September 10, 2023 9:18am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Steve – I know, I’d love a truly independent mainstream media. Dreams are free!!
      
      In fact there are a number of venues who won’t hold the movie. Entrenched fear.
      
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      September 10, 2023 9:29am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Wonder if I can torrent it? Comp is all set up to do it, but I have not used it for a while.
        
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        September 10, 2023 9:45am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I searched yesterday. No luck.
        
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        September 10, 2023 10:22am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        It will take a few months for it to become available in DVD or streaming format, but it will happen eventually.
        I’m going to try and figure out a way to have a screening at a local community hall. It will be interesting to see if the managers of the venue attempt to block it from being shown.
        
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        September 11, 2023 7:35am
- Handyman
  
  Labour slipped through a regulation at the last minute. The headline was to monitor bikie parades but the fine print actually applies to tractor parades.
  That is right. Labour introduced a sneaky regulation to stop farmer protests in the future.
  Disrupting traffic for climate protest is still OK though. Police will “facilitate” negotiation of protestors so no one (meaning protestors) gets hurt.
  
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  September 10, 2023 10:38am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You are shitting me. Tractors only?
    Stop farmers, and they wonder why food cost is high. Tractors only? What a cop out this is. Who us behind this?
    No video I guess, but the Hansard records it.
    
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    September 10, 2023 3:32pm
Prince

Stuff thinks it’s cartoon attack on National and Nicola Willis is so clever, they leave it up for three days.
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September 10, 2023 8:03am
Matt Long

Nike supports BLM, taking the knee, presumably defund the police, closes store in Portland due to lawlessness.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/nike-abandons-portland-store-re-opening-amid-theft-safety-issues
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September 10, 2023 8:04am
- Matt Long
  
  In response to how great a woke company Nike is former MLB player tapes over logo.
  https://www.foxnews.com/sports/ex-yankees-pitcher-david-wells-puts-tape-over-nike-logo-on-yankees-uniform-i-hate-nike
  
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  September 10, 2023 8:06am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Defund the Police – Redneck style:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LLEp79UDyOU
  
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  September 10, 2023 9:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Downticker must have some panty-waste shit – baaaaaaah!
    
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    September 10, 2023 3:45pm
Frank the tank

Good to see the WokeBlacks appeared to put more effort into the haka than the scrum and mauls yesterday. Better sharpen up for the quarters lads.

If they get knocked out in the quarters does that mean a teen score for Labour
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September 10, 2023 8:09am
- blue collar
  
  If they make the quarters , may aswell add a loss to Italy to fozzies firsts
  
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  September 10, 2023 8:42am
- Grunter
  
  I see they did bring along a large wooden spoon. Seems appropriate……
  
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  September 10, 2023 8:42am
- Gravelroad
  
  I see poor old Ethan Blackadder is on the plane today headed to the rugby World Cup.
  He is a talented, committed player no doubt, and I wish him well, but you would have to wonder how long before he again suffers a significant injury.
  As far as I know he has played only half a game (for Tasman) since coming back from the last injury.
  Is it worth it?
  Surely Mr Foster could find another star from his Chiefs side rather than just using a young man who seems to endanger his health every time he plays?
  
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  September 10, 2023 10:41am
- leoj
  
  The best haka they have ever done!
  
  The wokesters should be ecstatic.
  
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  September 10, 2023 10:46am
Spam

From Peter Williams:
https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2023/09/peter-williams-what-is-mfe-up-to.html?m=1

Ministry for the Environment using your money to bribe NGOs to start work under the new RMA, to try and make it harder to remove.
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September 10, 2023 8:14am
- Matt Long
  
  Federated Farmers may have refused $600,000 to help Parker game the system, I can’t see the Environment Defence Society having any qualms.
  
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  September 10, 2023 9:17am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The public servants are not to blame here. The “caretaker convention” in New Zealand does not stop the implementation of policy. MfE is bound to carry out the lawful directions of the current Minister until a new Minister is sworn in.
  
  The public servants at MfE have not decided to do this off their own bat.
  
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  September 10, 2023 10:56am
Matt Long

I’ve had a bad sinus infection for a week, now the authorities are admitting what was always true, phenylephrine doesn’t work, and there’s been no effective remedy since pseudoephedrine was banned over a decade ago.
It’s just great that there’s no more P in New Zealand due to the government banning cold remedies.
Right now any party rolling back that ban would be well on the way to getting my vote.
https://twitter.com/JohnArnoldFndtn/status/1700205156300734821
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September 10, 2023 8:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Even Gees Linctus cough syrup is gone. Opium Tincture 0.084 ml. That will take one hell of a lot of refining to get ant Opium isolated. I’ve been taking that for 65 years.
  All cough medicines today have a sweet sickly taste.
  
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  September 10, 2023 8:33am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I’m currently watching ‘Painkiller’ on Netflix. I knew a bit of the back story re Oxycontin but if this show is remotely accurate, it is truly disturbing.
  
  In NZ it is prescribed under the name Oxycodone.
  
  https://healthify.nz/medicines-a-z/o/oxycodone/
  
  It seems strange to me that they would permit this to be prescribed to people when it is known to be an opioid as addictive as heroin.
  In fact it’s nickname is ‘Hillbilly Heroin’.
  
  It doesn’t need to be ‘processed’ to be used by addicts. It can be taken in original pill form or snorted.
  
  Maybe there is more to the story that I don’t understand. But why they would ban pseudoephedrine while permitting this drug into the country with the issues behind it widely known.
  
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  September 10, 2023 8:52am
  - KH
    
    Read it up then. Vast amount of info is available.
    
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    September 10, 2023 9:16am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Cheers for the research advice. I did, in the limited time I had before needing to do a few chores around home so I could get to golf. I’ll try again later……
      
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      September 10, 2023 10:59am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I am happy with my Tramadol for shoulder pain and Gabapentin for nerve pain.
    
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    September 10, 2023 9:26am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I don’t mind pain. It’s the body’s way of telling you there is a problem and often stops us making matters worse. But I do have Tramadol on hand for those bad days.
      
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      September 10, 2023 9:31am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I too think that masking pain could be doing more damage with hard work in an engineering shop. Knowing your limits is good.
        Gabapentin? coming off that slowly. It is not a stop today medication. Have had both cubital tunnels done. Surgeon says the healing is perfect. Physio says ‘you are not working on your Prado’ Really? We will see! Got that harmonic balancer half off.
        
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        September 10, 2023 9:51am
    - KH
      
      Wife’s GP reckons the next be scandal story will be “Tramadol”.
      
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      September 10, 2023 1:39pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        If it works, Labour will fuck with it. We can not have people having relief – they must suffer so we can control them.
        Serious, pain is a form of control.
        
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        September 10, 2023 3:53pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        FWIW Tramadol is an opiod
        
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        September 10, 2023 6:02pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        If Tramadol is a problem then it’s just more evidence that big Pharma is corrupt as hell and is able to get dangerous drugs to market without fear of being checked by the so called regulatory agencies.
        
        We saw that clearly with the covid jabs. Medsafe did nothing except rubber stamp the paperwork supplied by the most corrupt company on the planet. Pfizer.
        Those in charge at Medsafe are either the most incompetent or most corrupt in the country. Maybe a combination, but of the small percentage of Pfizer data already released, it’s already clear that there were multiple failures in their trials that were deliberately covered up.
        
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        September 11, 2023 7:42am
  - Sacha
    
    Follow the money –
    
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    September 10, 2023 10:00am
- Benedict Yu
  
  John Key bought into the lie that there were effective alternatives to pseudoephedrine.
  
  https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/tackling-p
  
  Yeah sure it fixed the meth problem 🙄
  
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  September 10, 2023 11:10am
  - Matt Long
    
    Key was a precursor to a lot of government control in private citizen’s lives.
    
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    September 10, 2023 2:37pm
- Joely Doe
  
  Pseudoephedrine was not ‘banned’ – although that is effectively what occurred
  
  It was changed to a Class C (now B2 I believe) drug, which meant it required a GP prescription – effectively blocking OTC sales
  
  Accordingly, with a substantial drop off in sales, companies simply stopped importing the meds (Sudafed being a classic example)
  
  I always collect a supply of Pseudoephedrine tablets when overseas – just back from Bali and brought in my Sudafed / Panadol Cold/Flu allowable 60 tablets for Personal Use for each traveller
  
  No problems when declaring and bags not even checked
  
  I have had a Prescription from my GP, in the past, for Pharmaceutical Pseudoephedrine, which required collection from the Hospital Pharmacy as no one else would stock it
  Not the Customer facing Phamracy but the one down in the bowels of the hospital, with no natural light
  They even phoned the Med Centre to check the Rx Script pad hadn’t been stolen
  Got the drugs though
  
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  September 10, 2023 11:14am
  - Matt Long
    
    Thanks, that’s the information I was after.
    
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    September 10, 2023 2:35pm
- Ghost
  
  eucalyptus Oil in a steam bath inhaled is good for sinus infection, you can get it on prescription
  
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  September 10, 2023 11:18am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Friar’s balsam – so says the speaker of the house. Inhale with a towel over the head.
    Also used on cuts and blisters ect.
    
    https://www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/buy/46342/gold-cross-friars-balsam-25ml
    
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    September 10, 2023 4:04pm
Chuck Bird

Alan Dershowitz: The CORRUPTION Is Unbelievable!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS9dx0GK7io
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September 10, 2023 8:21am
- Matt Long
  
  An exceptional interview, ” in the thirties Harvard handed out honorary degrees to Nazis,” now they’re giving them to other kinds of terrible people.
  Dershowitz was a professor at Harvard for 50 years, now he is banned from the campus and his book, Get Trump is banned from libraries and local bookstores because he is standing against corruption and for the constitution.
  
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  September 10, 2023 8:53am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “We the People”
    Trump is strong on this. Democrats want to get at Republicans – but “I am in their way” Trump says.
    
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    September 10, 2023 4:09pm
  - kisekiman
    
    He must be trying to make up for that time when he got that massage with “underwear on” whilst on R&R at Epstein Island.
    
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    September 10, 2023 7:45pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Didn’t watch but I know of him. Core Democrat.
  He is not going to fix the problem, he and those like him are the problem.
  
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  September 10, 2023 9:29am
  - Matt Long
    
    He’s very upfront about disliking Trump and voting Democrat, however he’s being deplatformed because he believes in the constitution and rule of law.
    
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    September 10, 2023 9:49am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The Constitution is there for a reason. It is good browsing through it.
      Basically it is a handbook for “we the People” to run the Country, not the Government.
      By run, I mean vote who does what you wish. The second on guns, “shall not be infringed”
      I wish NZ had something similar.
      
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      September 10, 2023 9:55am
    - mawm
      
      He’s always been all over the place with his “Constitutional” beliefs. He can’t be the most rational person if he voted Biden and defended Kennedy over Chappaquiddick.
      
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      September 10, 2023 10:29am
Matt Long

Perhaps ACT could set up a new Disinformation Project that promotes free speech and exposes propaganda instead of the Ardern one that does the opposite.
As a Californian scientist confirms you don’t get published unless you follow the narrative.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-scientist-left-out-full-truth-climate-change-wildfire-study-published
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September 10, 2023 8:22am
- Matt Long
  
  And of course Ardern wasn’t a communist and the people indoctrinating children and trying to exclude parents from a say in education aren’t either.
  https://www.foxnews.com/media/communists-demand-end-christian-fascism-chaotic-school-board-meeting-parental-notification-policy
  
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  September 10, 2023 8:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The destruction she caused will be with us a long time. She runs away and gets away scot free. Really should be in jail!
  
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  September 10, 2023 9:57am
Warren

Should Grant Robertson and the Reserve Bank Governor have been doing this just before a General Election and is it fair for which ever Party wins the 2023 General Election on October 14th.
https://www.interest.co.nz/currencies/124195/reserve-bank-bolsters-currency-intervention-war-chest-robertson-lines-capital
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September 10, 2023 8:22am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not exactly sure what that does. What I do know is it will cost me about NZ$1.68 for US$1. That is why we are not in Hawaii and Alaska right now. The Denali Star and other tourist trains stopped after Sept 16 and don’t start until May 2024.
  There is a once weekly flagstop train but it is no fun.
  NZ$1.68 – Jesus!
  
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  September 10, 2023 8:49am
  - David Garrett
    
    Steve O: I’m not complaining…I have a few US clients who I bill in USD…very satisfying when it hits the bank acount here….even more so in Tonga where 1USD equals more than 2 pa’anga.
    
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    September 10, 2023 10:08am
  - Handyman
    
    In 1974, in my first overseas trip I got $1.45 USD for every NZ dollar!
    Now I get 58c and could be 40 again.
    The exchange rate is the economic shock absorber. It allows governments to avoid economic discipline during their term. In the case of Muldoon and Robertson, it postpones the day of reckoning until “the other lot” are in government.
    
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    September 10, 2023 10:33am
    - rockape
      
      In 1999 when I arrived in NZ I got a dollar Nz for 26 pence today it’s 47 pence.
      
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      September 10, 2023 3:00pm
- Grunter
  
  The COVID money printing “losses” now at an eye-watering $10.5 Billion.
  
  And now they are buying up foreign Govt Bonds. You know, the ones that have Trillions of $’s in debt already that can never be paid back. What could possibly go wrong.
  
  Get the lunatic Robertson out of the Beehive and put him back in the asylum !!
  
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  September 10, 2023 8:58am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Put him in jail! Part of the deliberate destruction of NZ.
    
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    September 10, 2023 10:00am
  - stiff cheese
    
    Robertson: “These arrangements will ensure the Bank has sufficient financial resources [. . .], including some support to establish a negative interest rate if required.” — from Warren’s link posted above.
    
    Negative interest rates!?…. Whoa, that would be uncharted waters for our country.
    
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    September 10, 2023 12:37pm
- mawm
  
  WTF! Are they buying US treasuries? They are becoming worthless as China and Saudi are dumping them.
  
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  September 10, 2023 10:37am
  - Grunter
    
    Yes, that’s exactly what they are doing. And EU bonds, UK Gilts, etc,etc
    
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    September 10, 2023 11:53am
- rjay
  
  This means if NZ dollar is devalued our overseas reserves will be worth more. Probably a good move.
  
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  September 10, 2023 10:41am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    “This follows a January announcement from the RBNZ that it had agreed with Finance Minister Grant Robertson to a new framework for managing foreign reserves,. which would see its holdings in overseas currencies grow. This, at least in part, reflects increases in the scale of both the economy and global financial markets. ”
    
    Suspect Robo was planning on saving his own ass in January but looking like he’s caused the RB to create a useful hedge for a new government. An unintended consequence which this government seems to excel in creating?
    
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    September 10, 2023 3:37pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Yep, Good read.
  In reality the NZ $ is tanking.
  George Soros would be watching with Glee.
  RB has lost 7-10 Billion on printing money.
  Hey, Whats another 4 Billion ?
  
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  September 10, 2023 12:12pm
Grunter

All NZ banks now signed up to the UN initiated Net Zero Bank Alliance. This one has gone under the radar as usual (useless MSM !)

What it means for NZ farmers is that they either reduce their methane emissions (raise less cows and sheep) or they ultimately face de-funding by our woke banks.

That means we are in the process of de-funding our 2 largest export earners.

The dangers of this move are of course much broader. Banks implementing a woke social credit scoring system that determines which businesses they fund. All directed from the unelected mobs at the UN.

This dick-move was of course all a conspiracy theory – until is wasn’t! Now it is in place and no one has battered an eye.

https://www.interest.co.nz/rural-news/123574/bnz-having-target-reduce-its-financed-dairy-farming-emissions-through-membership
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September 10, 2023 8:23am
- OlderChas
  
  That link leads to another site (like Fox News) that demands I turn off my ad blocker to see it. Hence I don’t see what they are trying to tell me.
  
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  September 10, 2023 8:50am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Same with me. I just delete and read the item. The ‘turn off adblocker’ notice did not come back.
    
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    September 10, 2023 9:33am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Primary Industries earn export dollars.
  Beyond stupid. The farmers will be moving to Oz next.
  Who actually instigated this?
  
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  September 10, 2023 8:57am
  - Grunter
    
    The UN.
    
    Then all the global banks sign up to it. NZ banks owned by global banks automatically become unscripted. But the BNZ signs up as the BNZ (so a double membership sort of), just to signal how important it is to them.
    
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    September 10, 2023 9:01am
  - Matt Long
    
    By coincidence Australian realtors have started heavy advertising in farming papers recently.
    
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    September 10, 2023 9:06am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Blackrock – they publicly stated they need to force compliance with the current narratives, including farmers being responsible for destroying the planet.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBtjzVUu9iY
    
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    September 10, 2023 9:34am
- ClanMcleod
  
  ‘Give me control of a nation’s money supply and I care not who makes it’s laws.’
  
  Mayer Amschel Rothschild.
  
  Said it before, democracy is being eroded, one step at a time. Like most other countries, we are no longer a sovereign nation. We are controlled by those who hold our debt.
  
  Well played Labour/Greens/Maori Party.
  
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  September 10, 2023 8:57am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Who has the Nation’s money? Oh it must be the ones eroding Democracy. The Elite Maori Coup moves closer to Tyranny.
    
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    September 10, 2023 8:59am
- Ian Boag
  
  Banks implementing a woke social credit scoring system that determines which businesses they fund.
  
  Privately owned businesses deciding who they want as customers …. ?
  
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  September 10, 2023 6:24pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Ian Boag – very droll.
    
    The money supply is the life blood of any economy. It should be heavily controlled. Banks are only responsible for efficient management of this core function, yes, they make a profit in the process.
    But they are not and never ever should be the arbiters of what people do with their money.
    
    The above video which I posted showing Larry Fink of Blackrock loudly declaring they will force behavioural changes is the clarion call. Banks need to be reined in and heavily regulated. But as I stated, it may be too late. It appears as though the money control the governments, not the other way around.
    
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    September 11, 2023 7:51am
Chris Nisbet

One News reported that some think the damage due to flooding in Greece might not be a result of “Climate Change!”, but more a result of government handling of disasters.
To assume that it was a result of “Climate Change!” is pretty idiotic, but pretty surprised that One News could bring themselves to report that some think there might be some other cause for the damage.
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September 10, 2023 8:30am
- Spam
  
  Well, the IPCC has found no link between flooding and climate change, so they’re probably correct.
  
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  September 10, 2023 8:50am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    At least one of our political leaders could do with reading some of this before he declares that there is ‘no doubt’ some storm was a result of “Climate Change!”.
    
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    September 10, 2023 10:00am
- ClanMcleod
  
  It could be connected to this theory? That the collapse of cities around the globe are being deliberately orchestrated so that people will eventually demand ’15 minute smart cities’.
  
  They’re trying to make us want “smart cities” by turning all the great old cities into sh*t-holes
  
  https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/theyre-trying-to-make-us-want-smart
  
  I know many of the Greek fires were deliberately started by activists to increase ‘climate change’ alarm.
  Is the poor response to this natural disaster yet more efforts to drive demand to ‘do something’ to ‘fix’ the climate?
  Sounds bizarre, but I’ve seen enough over the last 6 years to not discount it.
  
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  September 10, 2023 9:02am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    All the nonsense about climate change and net zero makes a lot more sense once you realise it’s not about CO2, methane or fixing the climate. The ‘solutions’ e.g solar. wind, demolishing coal generation, EVs, don’t ‘fix’ anything – they make electricity grids more fragile.
    Who in their right mind thinks that wrecking farming will have a net benefit to humanity? Christ, it’s not like politicians are even being sneaky about it – they outright tell us they want farmers off their land (Netherlands), want herds culled and suchlike.
    
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    September 10, 2023 10:11am
  - Ian Boag
    
    I know many of the Greek fires were deliberately started by activists
    
    Goodness. Not even “I bet” or “I reckon” ….
    
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    September 10, 2023 6:28pm
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-66612781
      Still, this report is from the BBC, so who knows for sure…?
      
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      September 11, 2023 3:40am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Ian Boag – change it to ‘apparently’ if it makes the grammar Nazi in you smile…..
      
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      September 11, 2023 7:53am
- Sacha
  
  I thought Greece was burning – or was that last week?
  
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  September 10, 2023 10:04am
Bridgenag

Activism, agency, and the escape from mundane domesticity: The curious case of Judith Beadle, 43 year-old mother of two, climate vandal and self-gluing street activist

https://open.substack.com/pub/eugyppius/p/activism-agency-and-the-escape-from?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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September 10, 2023 8:39am
- ClanMcleod
  
  That story reflects what I often thought when I would see many of those who wearing masks, even when alone, and continue to do so.
  
  As with the climate loon in the article, most of the masker’s lives were so dull and meaningless, the opportunity to virtue signal gives them something resembling meaning.
  
  ‘Look at me! I’m kind and caring! I’m not selfish!’
  It’s almost sad.
  
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  September 10, 2023 9:09am
  - David Garrett
    
    Clan: Indeed…and poor Judith’s mental illness – veganism – “was not initially respected”…fuck off woman, it’s jail !!
    
    Off topic, but if I was running the cutter no-one’s dietary fads would be “respected” in jail.
    
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    September 10, 2023 10:20am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Get in there DG! You’ve got my vote!!
      
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      September 10, 2023 11:01am
- H. Upmann
  
  ….”dead-eyed”. Oh my, what a great putdown.
  
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  September 10, 2023 11:38am
Bridgenag

This might be old news

Who has $40000 farewells, and expensive welcomes, especially when it is just a public servant transferring from one agency to another? Who takes lavish personal gifts and unauthorised family travel, even if later they reimburse the money?

http://croakingcassandra.com/2023/09/09/he-immediately-repaid-the-money-spent-putting-the-matter-right-at-the-first-opportunity/
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September 10, 2023 8:40am
- Hollyfield
  
  It wasn’t really put right at the first opportunity though, as the first opportunity would have been to not spend money on unauthorized purchases in the first place. Basic honesty, integrity etc.
  
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  September 10, 2023 8:56am
imalwaysright

https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/300966848/skycity-had-a-nasty-tumble-and-prefu-could-bring-the-same-for-nz-economy

A good article from Damien Grant on Robertson playing “hide the debt till we get reelected”

Its amazing that Robertson is allowed to get away with this.
In any other country he would be in jail.

Where are all the highly paid treasury and reserve bank experts ?

Was Robertson smart enough to fool them all, or did they just keep their heads down and comply ?
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September 10, 2023 8:58am
- ClanMcleod
  
  They just keep their heads down. Like most of the doctors and medical ‘experts’ during covid. Their mortgage payments depend on it.
  
  Whistle blowers rarely come out on the positive side of the ledger sadly.
  
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  September 10, 2023 9:11am
  - PeeJay
    
    Agreed Clan. For many individuals working in the system it is simply not worth it – they know that even if they do the right thing, nothing will happen to the guilty individual and they themselves will probably be out of a job at some point.
    
    Many years ago I raised an instance of corruption in a government department – I wasn’t working there, just dealing with this individual – the experience was horrific. I was put under the spotlight and left in no doubt how much easier everything would be if I just let it go – with a grovelling apology to the perpetrator no less. It was only due to the actions of a particularly dedicated internal fraud investigator (South African as it turns out with a strong sense of right and wrong) that the perpetrator was eventually forced to resign. Nothing else happened – no further investigations, no criminal charges, just a nice coat of white wash – move along, nothing to see – the investigator and I reckoned the individual had easily pocketed around a half million (that was what he’d uncovered by the time he was told to end his investigation) – but hey, other people money so not a big deal eh!
    
    Oh……and in a totally unrelated turn of events (ha!), the internal investigator just happened to be restructured out of his role……completely unrelated of course. My company lost a contract with the department (despite being lowest priced and best marked) and I was encouraged to look elsewhere for career growth opportunities.
    
    Moral of the story? Let sleeping dogs lie it would seem.
    
    That’s why anyone in the know in this country laughs at the annual ‘NZ is the least corrupt country’ reports from transparency international. Well yes, if your official strategy to fraud is the three monkeys approach, then you definitely won’t find any.
    
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    September 10, 2023 9:42am
  - imalwaysright
    
    True Clan.
    
    Mortgage is the new slavery.
    Even the name is insidious .
    
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    September 10, 2023 10:58am
- Vinicius
  
  Robertson and co will be out soon (election only 34 days away). Perhaps he can get a job as an accountant working for his mates at the CTU?
  
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  September 10, 2023 9:18am
- KH
  
  Read it up then. Vast amount of info is available.
  
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  September 10, 2023 9:21am
- All_on_Red
  
  Is Robertson going to prove the adage ‘the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree’?
  
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  September 10, 2023 9:25am
- cmm
  
  Quid pro quo.
  
  In any other country would the reserve bank be allowed to spend millions of dollars on creating a Maorified theme park using the taxpayers’ wallets?
  
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  September 10, 2023 4:22pm
softail 1450

For God’s sake KB must have a hampster on the power generator, it’s without any argument the slowest blog on the net , my device is a S22 ultra 5g so it can’t be at my end ???
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September 10, 2023 9:31am
imalwaysright

Jack Tame introducing maori party mp:

“The maori party know their supporters aren’t watching Parliament tv or poring over Hansard ”

Why?

How does Jack know this ? Has the Maori party told him? How do they know ?
All Maori ?
Tame didn’t attribute the statement to the maori party.

That is a racist statement.

Sack Jack
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September 10, 2023 9:35am
- Ghost
  
  Probably looked at the ratings for parliament tv to see who is watching it
  
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  September 10, 2023 9:47am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Umm “Sack Jack”
  I’ve always thought there were laws in this country about child exploitation. I can’t recall ever seeing an interviewer yelling/screaming at their guest and generally throwing their toys to the extent he did this morning, simply because they couldn’t get what they wanted. Appalling!!!!
  
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  September 10, 2023 10:05am
  - PeeJay
    
    Presume you are talking about the Luxon interview?
    
    As much as I despise Tame (and I truly do despise the little lefty turd), he was doing his job and holding Luxon’s feet to the fire. Now I know – Tame never does it with the left (just once I’d like to see him do that to any left wing leader), but still – Luxon is not great at ad-libbing and has been diligently sticking to the script and prepared lines in his media interviews of late. While that works in short formats and he’s been sounding polished lately, it was always going to be a bit of a disaster in the longer format interview like this morning with Tame.
    
    Shouldn’t hurt National though – other than the political tragic, very few voters will have watched this.
    
    I actually thought Luxon did ok against Tame – not a win by end stretch, but a few month’s back he would have looked a total fool. Whatever media training the Nat’s have put around Luxon seems to be working – he’s never going to be a natural when going off-script, and he still has that annoying need for the interviewer to like hime, but he has really improved in the last few months.
    
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    September 10, 2023 12:20pm
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      Pretty much my thinking PJ – Luxon not great, but could barely start a response before Tame interrupted/over talked.
      
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      September 10, 2023 1:04pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Because each time, Luxon was making it clear he would not be answering the specific question, and Tame was simply having none of that nonsense. And good on him, too.
        
        Great television. I hope we see much more of it over the next 33 days.
        
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        September 10, 2023 3:31pm
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        Wouldn’t mind if he treated all his guests using the same format Steve, which he doesn’t, but enjoy the spectacle he creates through those rose tint’s 🙂
        
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        September 10, 2023 7:41pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @70andstilllearning @ 7:41PM
        
        You clearly didn’t see his interview with the prime minister last Sunday (the 3rd). See, also, my response to PeeJay, below.
        
        I suspect you are only seeing what you want to see.
        
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        September 11, 2023 8:21am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Tame’s mic seemed to be turned up higher than Luxon’s.
      Luxon couldn’t get a word in and, when he did, Tame drowned him out.
      Luxon’s best move would be to speak slowly and deliberately, it is more difficult to interrupt.
      This looked like a bad job interview .
      Unfortunately .
      
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      September 10, 2023 1:34pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      @PeeJay @ 12:20PM
      
      (just once I’d like to see him do that to any left wing leader)
      
      What?? What about his interview with the prime minister last Sunday, immediately before his interview with Nicola Willis?
      
      In my view, Jack Tame has been on fire all year – this morning was Q+A No. 28. He is the equal of Mike Hosking – they both must spend many, many, hours each week preparing for their interviews (on a wide range of topics) – both of whom are streets ahead of the execrable HdPA.
      
      Tame forces his subjects to “answer the question”. In his interview with Willis last Sunday – a disaster for her – he finally got her to admit (after three, four, attempts?), re. the foreign house buyers’ tax, that the average price of houses that would be subject to the tax, was $2.9M. Had he not pushed her, we would never have known that. At the time, I thought, why on earth was she trying to hide that? And then she said, any problems with the Chinese would be handled “diplomatically”. Yeah right. That’ll be fun to watch – not.
      
      Both she, and Chris Luxon this morning, said they would not release the figures behind this policy. As Jack asked both of them, what are they hiding? It’s sad to say, but I now suspect that if there is a change of government, Luxon will start to bitterly disappoint us very early on. They have both now revealed themselves, individually, to be “just another politician.”
      
      I agree that Luxon is now more “polished”, but, whereas prior to last Sunday, I thought it was “all over”, right now, I’m not so sure. With David Seymour now starting “to crack” under pressure and also starting to get a bit “too big for his britches”, by talking about “confidence only” agreements, who knows, it really could go down to the wire.
      
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      September 10, 2023 3:18pm
    - Philview
      
      The TVNZ News tonight had a very different take on it and the Herald called it a car crash interview.
      
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      September 10, 2023 7:46pm
Inandout

Listened to a woman on ZB’s builder show this morning who tries to use women in her house construction firm and subbies. I admire her position because getting any gender into the workplace is a challenge, let alone females. Anyhow in the conversation there is no tripping over definitions of what is a woman and Hipkins could take note.
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September 10, 2023 9:37am
ClanMcleod

This story made my weekend.

The UK’s equivalent to Kate Hannah is Marianna Spring. She’s the BBC’s ‘Disinformation Correspondent’. Similar name to NZ’s ‘Disinformation Project’ and the US attempt at setting up a ‘Disinformation Board’.

(All coincidence of course and certainly not an orchestrated attempt to stifle free speech, we won’t even mention ‘Hate Speech’ laws being implemented everywhere. Absolutely no resemblance the Nazi Germany in the mid 1930s)

Anyway, young Marianna Spring has been nailed for guess what? ‘Disinformation’ on her CV! Glorious.

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/09/08/bbc-disinformation-correspondent-marianna-spring-lied-on-her-cv/

According to the New European, Ms. Antelava, a former BBC journalist herself, is said to have rebuked Ms. Spring after checking out the claim.

Ms. Spring is said to have sent an email apologising for her “awful misjudgment [sic]”.

She is said to have written: “I’ve only bumped into Sarah whilst she’s working and chatted to her at various points, but nothing more. Everything else on my CV is entirely true.”

The young journalist added that she was a “brilliant reporter” and in their emails also admitted there was “no excuse”.

She said her only explanation was her “desperation to report out in Moscow” and thinking it would “wouldn’t be a big deal”, which she admitted was “naïve and stupid”.

In the email exchange published by the New European, Ms. Antelava told her: “Telling me you are a brilliant reporter who exercises integrity and honesty when you have literally demonstrated the opposite was a terrible idea.”

Now, in NZ James Shaw’s been nailed, who’s going to get Kate Hannah??? 😂😂😂
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September 10, 2023 9:50am
- Notsofast
  
  I find it incomprehensible any one down votes your message. I guess New Zealanders deserve their 1984 generation.
  Kiri Allan was hell bent on getting us our share of this appalling legislation. It is notable the sex and age of all these proponents, worth an exploratory thesis already.
  
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  September 10, 2023 10:20am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Notsofast – the downticks are a badge of honour. Of note is, how rarely those who can’t handle the truth actually try and debate or refute what you’ve said.
    
    It’s nice thinking of them sitting and quietly fuming as they bash the down tick button. 😂
    
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    September 11, 2023 8:02am
Maggie Pie

COULDN’T WAIT TO GET HOME AND SHARE 😀

The question on everyones lips just before we went into Mass this morning…..

“Why was Marama wearing protective padding
before stepping out onto the pedestrian crossing”

https://twitter.com/Dazmeister1000/status/1700110157584499008
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September 10, 2023 10:08am
- Ghost
  
  Looks like a back brace
  
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  September 10, 2023 10:10am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Here we go again.
  Another plug for the Doolans.
  
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  September 10, 2023 10:32am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    ‘When you deny God in your life the vacuum always get filled’
    
    You know by whom….. 🙁
    
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    September 10, 2023 11:01am
    - Swifty
      
      Ozzy Osbourne?
      
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      September 10, 2023 3:02pm
slightlyrighty

As pissed as I feel after the All Blacks capitulation, I suspect we will all feel much more shocked after the PREFU on Tuesday…
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September 10, 2023 10:20am
- PeeJay
  
  Strongly suspect the PREFU will not be as clear cut as the demolition job the French did on the AB’s!
  
  I think we’ll find the PREFU will possibly be relatively benign on first glance and that is all Robertson cares about – he’ll have managed to inject some bullshit savings that will never ever happen to make it look better – it’ll be enough to pass muster in the first day or two when the MSM cares about it – a nice whitewash.
  
  After a day or two, once some decent analysis is done on it (including the usuals on KB like Benedict and PaulL etc), the true horror story will no doubt emerge – however, the MSM won’t care about it by then. There won’t be weeks of analysis over this (like the obsessing over the Nat’s tax plans) – the MSM are bought and paid for and will rapidly repeat the line that all is ok, move along, move along.
  
  My thoughts anyway!
  
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  September 10, 2023 12:09pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Seems there is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Stuart Smith says “I stood beside Christopher Luxon in the Marlborough Events Centre in front of 450 people where he said we do not support co-governance and we will repeal any such provisions should we be elected.”
Luxon is ‘for’ co-governance. But they are trying to hide the fact, for fear of losing votes. Luxon needs some pressure on him.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/national-copying-the-deceitfulness-of-labour/
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September 10, 2023 10:25am
- Warren
  
  Jesus you talk some shit Steve, where is the link showing Chis Luxon saying this.
  One thing I can’t believe on this site is the amount of children calling Luxon names .
  
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  September 10, 2023 6:45pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/national-copying-the-deceitfulness-of-labour/
    
    If you were following this you will find a comment by Stuart Smith, MP for Kaikoura.
    Here is the link Warren. Tell me Stuart Smith did nor say this. The emails are there.
    
    https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Stuart-Smith-Kaikoura-MP-National.pdf
    The double spacing is from the copy and paste. Your move…..
    
    “I stood beside Christopher Luxon in the Marlborough Events Centre in front of 450 people where he said we do not support co-governance and we will repeal any such provisions should we be elected.”
    
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    September 11, 2023 8:23am
    - Warren
      
      Because Stuart Smith said it doesn’t mean it is correct,you accused Chris Luxon of saying it .
      
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      September 11, 2023 8:53am
Ghost

I’m surprised there are still people falling for it

COVID booster warning from Florida surgeon general, who advises people not to get new vaccine

While speaking at a Thursday news conference for Gov. Ron DeSantis in Jacksonville, Florida, Dr. Joseph Ladapo, that state’s surgeon general, advised people to steer clear of the updated booster vaccine for COVID-19.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has not yet approved the new vaccine — which is reportedly designed to protect against the BA.2.86 omicron subvariant.

“There’s a new vaccine that’s coming around the corner, a new mRNA COVID-19 vaccine, and there’s essentially no evidence for it,” Ladapo said during the news conference, according to local news outlets.

“There’s been no clinical trial done in human beings showing that it benefits people” he said.

“There’s been no clinical trial showing that it is a safe product for people — and not only that, but then there are a lot of red flags.”

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September 10, 2023 10:32am
- Swifty
  
  Hang on a minute.
  
  You’ve said you’re perfectly fine with untested folk remedies being used in NZ and paid for by the taxpayer – so exactly what’s the problem here?
  
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  September 10, 2023 10:42am
  - Ghost
    
    Have I? What I have said is that what maori use, massage, manipulation, counseling, is already used and funded and has been for a long time without the Māori names. I’ve also said I do not know if Māori herbal treatments are funded.
    
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    September 10, 2023 11:11am
    - Swifty
      
      Did you get to the bottom of why your comment disappeared the other day?
      
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      September 10, 2023 2:00pm
      - Ghost
        
        I guess unlike you I don’t care if I get moderated, but by all means feel free to comment about Dr. Joseph Ladapo advising against the booster somewhere in your attempts to ignore it
        
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        September 10, 2023 2:32pm
      - Swifty
        
        Hahahahahaha!
        
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        September 10, 2023 3:01pm
Yvette

Pike River
Is there still a small number of police engaged in gazing at photographs taken down Pike River boreholes, and trying to decide how to prosecute anyone, when there was no Ventilation Manager, and if that was the fault of management now apparently living in Australiam, or an oversight of the then union boss, and the miners themselves (being the first link in the chain of safety observation and requirements) to actually demand the appointment of a Ventilation Manager?

And is any seeming tardiness, further retarded by the approaching Election?
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September 10, 2023 10:36am
- Prince
  
  I’d expect Little/Hipkins/Coster to hold a shock press conference in the next 3 weeks, saying there is sufficient evidence to consider setting up a working group to look into investigating what might happen if somebody made some references to…….zzzzz.
  
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  September 10, 2023 1:22pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Thats the issue. There was not a ventilation shaft as planned.
  
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  September 10, 2023 1:33pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    3 shafts planned, cut down to one. Fucking Greens.
    The whole thing should have been open cast. The bush will grow back afterwards by pushing some soil over it.
    
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    September 11, 2023 8:28am
Ghost

No doubt New Zealand is watching and will implement the same here…….

Back to work after the Summer recess,the UK Government introduced legislation related to net zero measures, which has set off major alarm bells amongst lovers of freedom across the country.

Many are questioning the necessity and feasibility of the draconian net zero measures contained in the flagship Energy Bill which cleared the Commons at third reading yesterday, and they’re rightly worried property owners facing criminal charges for opposing them.

In fact, under this new legislation, those who fail to adhere to energy consumption regulations could face imprisonment for up to a year and fines of up to £15,000.

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September 10, 2023 10:44am
- thirteenstars
  
  Net Zero champions, National, will probably take some inspiration from it. Especially now Luxon has said he’ll bring the Climate Change Minister officially into Cabinet.
  
  Great days ahead, citizens.
  
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  September 10, 2023 11:58am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Hands up who thinks a “Climate Change Minister” has any chance of changing the climate at all (in cabinet or not)? How would we be able to tell?
    
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    September 10, 2023 12:33pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Covid mandates banned by California City. No masks.

https://buzzbombmedia.com/2023/09/09/california-city-votes-to-ban-covid-mandates/

If that shit should start again here in NZ, just don’t comply.
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September 10, 2023 10:48am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

End Rotorua slums?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/back-on-its-feet-national-pledges-to-end-rotorua-emergency-housing-motels/ar-AA1gswmA
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September 10, 2023 10:55am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Govt greasing up to the Greens?
Scrap one Policy and start another real confusing one?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/it-s-bad-law-gov-t-to-scrap-70-year-old-wildlife-act-saying-it-lacks-purpose-and-protection/ar-AA1gsY2F
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September 10, 2023 10:58am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Coroner’s report will be interesting.
She had Covid, but no mention of vaccinations.
Coron’s report is 400 days? Why? 400 days to cover shit up?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/taranaki-teen-kaitlyn-baker-dies-in-sleep-leaving-shocked-family-devastated/ar-AA1gshw8
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September 10, 2023 11:02am
- NK
  
  A 12yr old from Melbourne died last week in similar circumstances.
  
  But you’re wrong to imply it could be the experimental mRNA vaccine. I know it’s not that because politicians, who lie to us daily about all sorts of things, told us it is safe and effective. We must believe them. They are honest people.
  
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  September 10, 2023 11:19am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    You can’t blame every sudden death on the COVID vaccines.
    
    The prevalence of sudden cardiac deaths in teenagers and young adults in western countries has been about 1 in 50,000 to 1 in 80,000 per annum.
    
    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/sudden-cardiac-arrest/in-depth/sudden-death/art-20047571
    
    If that incidence changes, yes that would be alarming.
    
    Often a post mortem of such young people will reveal the undiagnosed heart defect.
    
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    September 10, 2023 4:15pm
Fisiani2

Election fundamentals
Get as many party votes as possible. Not likes or promises but actual party votes
Voters have to go to a polling booth. We need people to vote asap because that’s a clinched vote
Most voters are centrists and fair.
Win the centre and win the election
Votes are based on emotional moods and not on specific policies
People vote for a better tomorrow
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September 10, 2023 11:03am
Swifty

Take a gander at the emotional blackmail and some would say performance art in this anti-National and ACT piece of drama:

https://fb.watch/mYIHAQvcYf/?mibextid=v7YzmG

I don’t believe this is genuine in any way.

Bloody sooks.

(NB: if it starts playing part way through, please move back to start.)
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September 10, 2023 11:04am
- Gravelroad
  
  No – don’t believe it.
  She says all individuals in various sections of society don’t support centre right governance.
  That is just a lie.
  And an insult to many of the people she purports to be part of.
  Her performance is a sham.
  
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  September 10, 2023 11:56am
  - Swifty
    
    Thanks, and it appears she’s reading it off her phone – all pre-scripted.
    
    Looks like a lot of fake crying to me.
    
    Sean Plunket calls it cry-bullying.
    
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    September 10, 2023 12:09pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Ode for Toad of Seymour.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/an-ode-for-toad-of-seymour/ar-AA1gu7fk
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September 10, 2023 11:04am
NK

Happy Birthday DPF.
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September 10, 2023 11:14am
imalwaysright

There is no one running for election who will be able to fix New Zealand .

The damage done by labour et al is catastrophic.

The current candidates would struggle with a country that was in good shape. They are, all, out of their depth with this one.

Discussing the minutiae of various political proposals is distracting us from realising that the inevitable is in fact inevitable .

The changes required are harsh and politically suicidal and for those reasons they won’t happen.

Politicians, bureaucrats, and endless committees got us into this mess.
Slightly different ones won’t get us out.
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September 10, 2023 11:15am
- NK
  
  I concur 100%. National is content with managing the mess better, rather than cleaning it up.
  
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  September 10, 2023 11:21am
- NothingLeft
  
  When Labour came in in ’84 on the back of Muldoon’s mismanagement they had an ‘oh shit’ moment and radically changed direction of NZ forever.
  
  We could hope for something similar from NAct, but I expect to be disappointed. Almost every public institution in NZ needs a huge change in direction if it is still to prosperous in 20 years.
  
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  September 10, 2023 12:58pm
- mogg
  
  Don’t be too sure about that. During his ‘roadshow’ meetings Luxon made it very clear that his top targets are inflation and Wellington’s Public Service waste. He has to keep his cards close, otherwise Labour and MSM will spend the next four weeks shouting austerity and cuts to public services. As with Key expect the cuts to come hard and fast,
  Wellington’s easy money tree is about to be pruned.
  
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  September 10, 2023 1:00pm
  - NK
    
    I guess if that’s the extent of your ambition for this country then so be it. There are deep-seated, embedded economic and societal issues that necessarily require fundamental reform. Firing a few public servants won’t do much, particularly when Labour will just hire them again in six years, or so.
    
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    September 10, 2023 2:09pm
Ghost

Damn

Disaster has struck New Zealand’s bid at the French leg of SailGP in Saint Tropez, as the wing of the Kiwi boat collapsed at the conclusion of racing.

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September 10, 2023 11:32am
Maggie Pie

I’ve never really been one to believe in social classification or that men have any particular advantages over women. I know my partner thinks that way as well.

Although this morning something that got me thinking, was when one of the girls happened to mention she thought ‘male privilege’ was wearing the same outfit every Sunday to Church, while we can’t wear the same dress twice no matter how much it cost.

Just saying.
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September 10, 2023 11:34am
- lifesgood
  
  Do you go to church to be looked at? Really?
  
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  September 10, 2023 12:34pm
- mogg
  
  Which cardinal sin does that come under; pride,
  envy or sloth.
  
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  September 10, 2023 1:31pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Well certainly in the case of male members…. Sloth.
    Although these days you couldn’t class it as being a ‘Deadly Sin’
    
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    September 10, 2023 2:12pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  God sees all, Maggie
  
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  September 10, 2023 2:06pm
- ISeeRed
  
  “One of the girls” got that from a meme. Summary of said meme: It’s not straight men who care if a woman wears something twice, it’s other women so STFU, feminists.
  
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  September 10, 2023 2:52pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You could change where you worship…
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plain_dress
  
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  September 10, 2023 3:28pm
Jack5

Hamish Walker, the southern National MP, an early Covid political casualty, axed by Todd Muller, seems to be a thriving real estate agent in Queenstown. He’s been popping up in media reports of soaring prices in the tourist centre.

Walker followed another controversial, young, and first-term National MP in the Clutha-Southland electorate, and was in Parliament from 2017 to 2020.

In retrospect, Walker’s action at the time seems naive.

The sequence began with Walker telling news media that up to 11,000 people from “India, Pakistan and Korea” could be heading to Dunedin, Invercargill, and Queenstown for Covid quarantine. Labour’s Housing Minister, Megan Woods attacked: “I think it’s disgraceful and reprehensible. It’s scaremongering and frankly it’s racist.”

Stuff reported it had spoken to Walker’s source, a South Island medical professional, who confirmed Southern officials had been told to expect 11,000 people to go through isolation there, although they would not all be undergoing isolation at the same time.

Walker then blundered. He send the NZ Herald a list containing names, dates of birth and isolation facilities of then 18 active current Covid-19 cases, to use as evidence he was right in saying cases were coming from India, Pakistan and Korea. Doubtless he was being badgered to substantiate his statement.

It was reported that former National Party president Michelle Boag gave the patients’ details to Walker. After this she “recused herself” from any active role in the part, as the Herald put it in reporting that Walker would be standing down as a candidate for the approaching general election.

Walker’s stand-down was the only option, Muller said. “He has worked very hard for his community over the last three years, and ultimately it was an error of judgement, a serious error of judgement that has cost him his career.”

As time passes, the penalty imposed on Walker for infringing privacy seems even heavier. Compare any damage from the names Walker passed on with the economic carnage inflicted on the country by the Covid shut-down and the billions of dollars “printed” through bond issues, ensuring inflation.

Walker Time line:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-national-party-leak-a-timeline-of-the-scandal-that-toppled-muller/YNQ53DNDYZPY2VQFJYMRUY3NS4/

Walker’s business now:

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/property/agent/Hamish-Walker
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September 10, 2023 11:50am
I remember when

El Nino incoming: NZ’s climate to take ‘rapid turn’ within weeks: NZ Herald.
“giving Kiwis a taste of the hotter, drier summer much of the country will experience under El Nino.”
“officials already warning of fire danger and the heightened risk of droughts.”
“this El Nino is in with the strongest that have occurred in the last eight decades,” NIWA scientist Ben Noll said.”

The sort of article that Te Reo would be ideal for?
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September 10, 2023 12:27pm
- Inthe09
  
  Indeed, front page no less…. It’s called weather, and it’s been happening for quite some time believe it or not.
  
  It amazes me so many people fall for this panic-stations nonsense.
  
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  September 10, 2023 12:52pm
Inandout

Happy Meals have taken on a new meaning at Maccas.
https://mcdonalds.co.nz/family/happyland/toyzone
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September 10, 2023 12:41pm
I remember when

So Tova thinks that Chris Hipkins is starting to sound like Jacinda.
Already the ground is being prepared for when Labour can blame Jacinda and Chris for being the reason for their failures.
So it isn’t a failure by the party, a failure of their policies, a failure by their elected members, a failure by their union support.

Nope.

Everything that has gone wrong can be blamed on two people -Jacinda and Chris.
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September 10, 2023 12:41pm
- Inandout
  
  Irw, I think ‘whipping boys’ is the term to describe.
  
  ‘A whipping boy was a boy educated alongside a prince in early modern Europe, who supposedly received corporal punishment for the prince’s transgressions in his presence. The prince was not punished himself because his royal status exceeded that of his tutor; seeing a friend punished would provide an equivalent motivation not to repeat the offence’.
  
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  September 10, 2023 12:53pm
- Jack5
  
  Beginning October 15, Tova and the other remnants of the mainstream media will blame National for the serious economic problems.
  
  It will be as though newspapers blamed lifeboat crews for the Titanic hitting the iceberg.
  
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  September 10, 2023 12:57pm
Ghost

Health is one hell of a mess, it’s going to take a lot to turn it around to achieve this

The National Party has announced a plan to bring back targets for wait times and cancer treatment and provide financial incentives for GP clinics to lift immunisation rates.

National leader Christopher Luxon is making the announcement alongside health spokesman Shane Reti at Health New Lynn Medical Centre in Auckland.

“Every single health outcome has gone backwards over the past six years,” Luxon said.

“National will bring back health targets because they save lives.”

The five major targets are:

* Shorter stays in emergency departments. 95% of patients to be admitted, discharged or transferred from an emergency department within six hours.

* Faster cancer treatment. 85% of patients to receive cancer management within 31 days of the decision to treat.

* Improved immunisation. 95% of two-year-olds to get their full age-appropriate immunisations.

* Shorter wait times for first specialist assessment.

* Shorter wait times for surgery.

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All vehicles to move to road user charges under National, including EVs
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September 10, 2023 12:56pm
- rouppe
  
  Putting all vehicles onto ruc is what I suggested some time ago to deal with ev’s and hybrids.
  
  Only downside is that it is impossible to escape fuel excise, and heavy footed drivers or big engines paid more.
  
  Given the numbers of vehicles driving around without rego, I’d imagine significant numbers just won’t buy ruc.
  
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  September 10, 2023 9:13pm
Yvette

ACT’s David Seymour floats confidence-only partnership – no supply

With only about five weeks to the Election, how much of that time, if not more, Will be needed to explain to the voting public the difference between “confidence and supply” and “confidence only”. Considering the months, if not years, it is taken to actually not explain the difference between co-governance and co-management, let alone a proper definition of either of those, or where Ihumātao is at, or what the definition of hate speech is?
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September 10, 2023 12:59pm
- NK
  
  The voting public doesn’t even understand MMP so I have no faith they’ll understand the nuances of this.
  
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  September 10, 2023 2:11pm
Chuck Bird

On Q + A this morning Tame asked Luxon where unruly state house tenants that the National government kicks out would go. Luxon couldn’t or didn’t answer.

What should he have answered?
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September 10, 2023 1:11pm
- Jack5
  
  Hell
  
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  September 10, 2023 1:24pm
- Prince
  
  Australia.
  
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  September 10, 2023 1:29pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Give them an old banger & send them to the nearest overnight car park.
    
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    September 10, 2023 2:06pm
- Fisiani2
  
  The street
  
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  September 10, 2023 1:39pm
- Swifty
  
  If I was Luxon I would have said that it’s now the responsibility of the unruly to house themselves. They’ve had their chance and spat on the goodwill and assistance of New Zealanders and now they’re on their own. No longer will New Zealanders be held to ransom by people who repeatedly betray their communities and no longer will the NZ taxpayer subsidise this atrocious behaviour. And others thinking they can get away with this behaviour, look out. Our patience has ended.
  
  And if asked “Well what about their kids?” I would say that is they can no longer house their own kids then we’ll take the kids off them. The kids will be better off.
  
  Massive vote winner as well as the right and moral thing to do.
  
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  September 10, 2023 1:44pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    Simple, compelling response. Yet Luxon fumbled and bumbled. This must be evidence of Luxon’s “enormous intellect” that Mark Hanley at 1:07pm mentioned. LMFAO
    
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    September 10, 2023 2:58pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    You should offer your services to Luxon as an advisor. The kids are the tricky thing.
    
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    September 10, 2023 3:01pm
- Aquarius
  
  The same place they had to go previously; the private sector and/or relatives.
  Though today that probably means they go back to gang accommodation
  rather than creating new ones
  
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  September 10, 2023 2:13pm
- NK
  
  Next to you, Jack.
  
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  September 10, 2023 2:15pm
- Matt Long
  
  He should have had an answer ready, it’s an obvious question.
  For example; if they’ve been removed for crimal conduct they will go to a secure facility, otherwise they may have to move in with whanau or associates.
  Our first priority is the safety and well-being of our law abiding residents and tenants.
  
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  September 10, 2023 2:17pm
- Che Guava
  
  “… where unruly state house tenants that the National government kicks out would go.”
  
  He should have said that they won’t be kicked out unless they are unruly. Behave, and it’s not an issue. That puts it on them.
  
  Instead, he obviously accepted the framing that it would be National’s fault if they were kicked out.
  
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  September 10, 2023 2:23pm
- artemisia
  
  Mr Luxon could have suggested that as the evicted tenants are good boys and girls really, their loving families will take them in. As families have done for centuries of course.
  
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  September 10, 2023 2:36pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  I would have answered…. “The Marae”
  
  But that’s because I know things.
  
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  September 10, 2023 2:45pm
- Ghost
  
  The answer should have been do you think people living in their own home should have to put up with abuse that is coming from some of these people. If Jack answered yes then we know where to move them to
  
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  September 10, 2023 2:53pm
- rouppe
  
  He should have answered:
  
  “State houses are a privilege for those in need. Everyone has a right to quiet enjoyment of their home. Those that do not respect the privilege of a state provided home do not respect New Zealanders.
  
  There are hundreds if not thousands of decent people in need. We are housing those people”.
  
  Something like that
  
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  September 10, 2023 8:57pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Will the Disinformation Folk investigate the latest piece of political clap-trap from the Maori Party?

https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/10/rawiri-waititi-national-act-want-to-see-maori-die-10-years-early/
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September 10, 2023 1:12pm
- Jack5
  
  Shane Reti’s reply was apt.
  
  What a contrast.
  
  On one hand a blowhard like Waititi.
  
  On the other hand, an intelligent, accomplished health profession like Reti, who recently spent nights seeing operations at the “coalface” of hospital emergency departments.
  
  Reti will have a colossal challenge saving the near-collapsed health system, but is any other politician up to it?
  
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  September 10, 2023 1:29pm
  - Swifty
    
    Damn right.
    
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    September 10, 2023 1:56pm
- Swifty
  
  Appalling.
  
  He’s a loudmouth nobody. Good for nothing.
  
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  September 10, 2023 1:38pm
- rouppe
  
  Someone should tell Waititi that prior to colonisation, Maori life expectancy was less than 40 years. Now it’s 70 years.
  
  That didn’t happen in spite of European medicine. It happened because of it.
  
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  September 10, 2023 8:27pm
Bridgenag

Any body interested in the Opera in Auckland now being sung in Samoan? ffs
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September 10, 2023 1:26pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Why not? Plenty of Opera is in German and Italian, after all. Many Samoans are fine singers – like the other Pacific Islander countries, choral singing is competitive and highly valued.
  
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  September 10, 2023 2:10pm
  - Jack5
    
    Opera libretto is ideal in the original language, often Italian or German.
    
    Polynesian languages are light in consonants, but fine in vowels. Depending on the quality of the translation, they might closely fit the music of, say, Italian libretto.
    
    The investment in translation is probably wasted, though, given successful singers will end up abroad working in other languages.
    
    Once you have the gist of the opera, and perhaps a rough summary on the audience guide, the language isn’t usually an issue.
    
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    September 10, 2023 3:24pm
- cmm
  
  So long as the listeners are paying for it they can sing in Eskimo for all I care.
  
  But I suspect I’ll be pulling out my wallet to fund it. Again.
  
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  September 10, 2023 3:53pm
Maggie Pie

Remember yesterday when I linked to the pic on SkyNews of the guy from
‘Alans Snackbar’, who drove his car into shoppers in Melborne’s Bourke Street?
Killing one and injuring numerous others.
But within a few minutes Sky had deleted the tweet.

Well, his photo has now been released by the police.
As the comments indicate…. no one is really surprised 🙁

https://twitter.com/newscomauHQ/status/1700630171085341038
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September 10, 2023 1:59pm
- rouppe
  
  Replies are hidden?
  
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  September 10, 2023 8:15pm
Prince

Here he comes, one week late and $100B further in debt…

‘There is so much at stake’ – Hipkins announces Labour’s pledge card

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300967452/nz-election-2023-live-chris-hipkins-announces-labours-pledge-card
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September 10, 2023 2:32pm
- greybeard
  
  He forgot to include “free unicorns for all under-5s”.
  
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  September 10, 2023 2:49pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    What about the over-5s?
    
    I’d quite like a free unicorn, especially if it’s house-trained.
    
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    September 10, 2023 3:33pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Ya gotta watch out for the horn, Maggy.
      
      If you want, I can sell you a polled unicorn.
      
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      September 10, 2023 6:28pm
- Swifty
  
  Utterly pathetic from Labour.
  
  The pledges are all concerned with inputs.
  
  Where are the outcomes? What will be the achievements? Where are the bloody targets? What are we aiming for?
  
  This is all nickle and dime stuff from a party that has gone stale, it’s out of ideas, and has given up.
  
  It’s actually quite embarrassing.
  
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  September 10, 2023 2:49pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Yeah. National are going to deliver outputs – wait times and stuff – with no more inputs? Shane Reti is a pretty competent chap but does he walk on water?
    
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    September 10, 2023 6:46pm
Maggie Pie

WATCH – should WE be worried?

Tamaki Makarau, where a Cabinet minister could lose his seat.
Pene Henare is up against the formidable Bishop’s wife, Hannah.

We take a trip around the electorate with Pene, where he proudly shows us
some of the new ‘whares’ being built by Kainga Ora.

https://twitter.com/1NewsNZ/status/1700708507341721754
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September 10, 2023 3:40pm
Maggie Pie

And just received a tweet from Elon announcing the birth of his 11th child!

A BOY.

Says him and Grimes are over the moon. They’ve named him…. ‘Little Tau’

Wonder what Rawiri will do when he finds out?
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September 10, 2023 4:01pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300967812/act-proposes-to-allow-builders-to-opt-out-of-council-building-consents
Wow: this would be a major blow for councils who depend on $$$ for their consent approvals: I hope Seymour will pay for the increased rates as a result.
But still, a great idea to remove another level of control from local councils.
User pays , but users will pay someone else.
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September 10, 2023 4:29pm
- Ian Boag
  
  So they won’t be responsible for leaky buildings or crap ones like happened in Tauranga. I would expect them to be ecstatic.
  
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  September 10, 2023 6:48pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Where is your evidence Builders escape responsibility for leaky buildings?
    And the Council doesn’t inspect.
    Sounds like you’re just make stuff up again
    
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    September 10, 2023 7:48pm
- rouppe
  
  The consent process is pretty shit.
  
  Just watching a piece about new cbd residents complaining about the noise from music venues.
  
  Everyone is focusing on either
  1) the music venues being allowed to host loud music events or
  2) residents knowing they should expect noise at all hours
  
  No one is looking at council for approving buildings with inadequate noise suppression design (triple glazing, wall linings etc)
  
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  September 10, 2023 7:26pm
Ghost

Lucky he wasn’t playing cowboys and Indians, that would have been a hate crime…..

Triggered: Woke Alabama School Suspends 6-Year-Old Over ‘Finger Guns’ During Cops And Robbers Game

According to the letter, on Sept. 1, 2023, two boys were playing “cops and robbers” during recess at Bagley Elementary School.

“During the course of their play, the children reportedly extended their index fingers and thumbs and said ‘bang-bang’ at each other,” the letter reads.

The child, identified as J.B., was suspended and accused of committing a Class III infraction. This is the district’s most serious infraction. According to the Jefferson County School District’s Student Parent Handbook, Class III infractions include possession of guns or explosives, sexual battery, battery of a school district employee, and robbery, among others.

The boy would only be allowed back in school after a hearing with his parents and the district. -Epoch Times

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September 10, 2023 5:08pm
- rouppe
  
  Over reaction, much?
  
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  September 10, 2023 7:21pm
Maggie Pie

Been enjoying an appetiser of ‘Devils-on-Horseback’ that i made earlier, accompanied by a chilled French Chablis while we were watching 1Ewes and the Party Leaders Campaign-Trail segment.

My partner couldn’t help but notice…. that compared to the Natz groupies, just how overweight and unattractive the women were that surrounded Chippy during HIS walkabouts.

Just saying.
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September 10, 2023 6:31pm
- greybeard
  
  ‘Devils-on-Horseback’ and a French Chablis: what are you thinking ?
  Chablis should only be accompanied by delicate seafood .
  Next time try a lobster, crab or octopus.
  
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  September 10, 2023 7:10pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You are such a wine snob grey! 😀
    
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    September 10, 2023 8:40pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Sounds absolutely fabulous!
  
  Looking as unattractive as possible (especially to sane hetero men) is celebrated in the land of the far left.
  
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  September 10, 2023 7:27pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    yip! youve only got to look at shaneel 🙁
    
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    September 10, 2023 8:44pm
NZer In Exile

I was listening to Peter Williams interviewing the leader of New Nation Party the other day.

His policies sounded very good. Just the spin-free and woke-free medicine NZ needs to get back on it’s feet in my opinion.

https://nnparty.co.nz/policies/

They’ve probably not promoted themselves enough for this election to even get a toe hold but could be worth supporting once the clown show is given the boot.

https://realitycheck.radio/guy-slocum-new-nation-party-co-leader-on-their-vision-for-nz-minor-party-unity-and-more/
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September 10, 2023 6:51pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/132910835/mori-are-not-indigenous-winston-peters-claims
Damn. when I hear things like this from him I could almost see me voting for him.
But there is something which makes me hesitate……
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September 10, 2023 7:36pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  What are your other choices? Least worst option my friend. Least worst option!
  
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  September 10, 2023 7:47pm
  - Ghost
    
    Choices? The destination is the same, the path is different, but who ever you vote for is taking you to the same place. Politics, the greatest smoke and mirrors show on earth.
    
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    September 10, 2023 8:02pm
- Paul Marsden
  
  If Peter’s was more in touch with mainstream NZ’rs, their knowledge and their thinking, he would have been running this rhetoric all the way through. Now he’s just a Johnny-come-lately with his claims and far too little and far too late. He’s nothing more than a lying, Maori conman in a pin-stripe suit and everyone’s fair weather friend.
  
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  September 10, 2023 8:16pm
  - Souvlaki
    
    Yep..like the ‘barbers cat…all piss and wind’….you just KNOW he wont follow through with this…whereas, Seymour is more likely to !
    
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    September 10, 2023 8:51pm
- BeaB
  
  It’s your brain working to tell you No, Never, Winston again.
  
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  September 10, 2023 8:35pm
- SPC
  
  Launching his house Maori/a Maori in the house campaign, Winston Peters said Maori were not indigenous because they came from another place – Cooks and before that from (a part of – Taiwan) China.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/election-2023-winston-peters-claims-maori-are-not-indigenous-during-nelson-meeting-with-nz-first-supporters/ZCEBFEUDZJGHXA2SY4KGOFETIQ/
  
  Could someone please tell Mr Peters that there was a migration out of Africa 50,000 years ago. And that those who settled an area first and maintained a cultural presence there, are the ones seen as indigenous. This applied in Polynesia/South Pacific at a later stage than other areas, for some reason.
  
  Because if he tries this argument on the UN, to withdraw us from UNDRIP, our education system is going to be called into question internationally.
  
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  September 10, 2023 9:07pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    We could save ourselves a lot of angst by just gifting Aoteaoroa back to the Chinese.
    
    Clearly, NZ is just an early example of their Belt and Road Initiative.
    
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    September 10, 2023 9:26pm
    - SPC
      
      The Han Chinese were not in Taiwan at the time. The belated migration offshore presumably to later stake a claim to atolls in the Pacific.
      
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      September 10, 2023 9:29pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        There were/are Austronesian folk in Hainan and South-east (coastal) China.
        
        The indigenous tribes of Taiwan arrived from somewhere…. presumably descended from neolithic coastal folk of mainland China.
        
        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3951936/
        
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        September 10, 2023 10:08pm
      - Jack5
        
        So the mitochondrial DNA of Polynesian ancestors in Taiwan goes back 8,000 years further to southern China, the skeleton dubbed “Liangdao Man” shows.
        
        In Cockney rhyming slang, “Old China” comes from “mate” from “China plate”.
        
        Will enough New Zealanders call Winston “Old China” to get him over 5 per cent?
        
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        September 10, 2023 11:53pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Our education “system” is a basket-case and has lost all credibility with true academics i.e. those who do research to learn, not to force an ideological viewpoint.
    
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