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artemisia

Aggressive, unhelpful, divisive? Ironic much?

“We’re not against the conversation about co-governance, but my feeling is that the way the Stop Co-governance crowd is going about it is aggressive, it’s unhelpful, it’s divisive…”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/132899049/db-breweries-distances-itself-from-julian-batchelor-yeah-right-billboards
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September 9, 2023 8:03am
- thirteenstars
  
  The article is misleading. It suggests DB disagrees with Batchelor but that’s not what they said. Theirs is simply a beef with the use of what they consider to be their own catchphrase, Yeah Right!
  
  The quote above is from a Maori activist group.
  
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  September 9, 2023 9:46am
  - Ghost
    
    I’d agree with DB protecting their tui campaign, its iconic for their brand
    
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    September 9, 2023 9:55am
    - kowtow
      
      is it trade marked.
      
      if not, f.o.
      
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      September 9, 2023 10:21am
      - Ghost
        
        Trade marked and they’ve used their trademark to have other people stop using it before
        
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        September 9, 2023 10:32am
      - septic skeptic
        
        I very much doubt you can trademark a general saying like “yeah right”.
        
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        September 9, 2023 10:57am
      - kowtow
        
        ss
        
        I agree to be able to trade mark a remark “yeah right” , on it’s own and out of a tui context seems like a nonsense .
        
        However I could go along with a tui bird brand , the colours and ‘yeah right’ , all packaged together as a trademark.
        
        I don’t know what Batch has done nor do I care .
        
        But I repeat I very much doubt the simple expression “yeah right” without the other stuff ie tui and colours could constitute a breach .
        
        I remain open to persuasion otherwise .
        
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        September 9, 2023 1:40pm
    - artemisia
      
      Streisand Effect. Mr Batchelor will be pleased.
      
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      September 9, 2023 11:01am
    - artemisia
      
      Those Tui ads have been widely parodied for years in multiple media. DB would have to be a bit canny so as not to be seen to be Ok with some but not others.
      
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      September 9, 2023 1:57pm
      - Ghost
        
        DB used to have their own meme generator for people to make memes with it, But they have gone after those who have used it for their causes
        
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        September 9, 2023 2:15pm
    - rouppe
      
      New Zealanders were saying “Yeah, right” well before Tui put it on a billboard
      
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      September 9, 2023 6:25pm
      - Ghost
        
        kiwis weren’t putting up billboards with a comment then yeah right next to it, that was the invention of a smart advertising campaign for DB and that is what they have got protected.
        
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        September 9, 2023 6:33pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  I predict if the AB’s are out of the World Cup come 14 October it will cost Labour at least 4 points. Alas there are enough of my fellow citizens who will vote according to the success or failure of the AB’s.
  
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  September 9, 2023 11:20am
  - Warren Murray
    
    You may be right, but if so, it’s a compelling argument against universal suffrage
    
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    September 9, 2023 1:43pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Alas there are enough of my fellow citizens who will vote according to the success or failure of the AB’s.
    
    What complete and utter nonsense. Yet another myth promoted by right-wingers, like “Lefties stay home if it’s cold and wet” – you know, like they did on 14 July 1984; voter turnout, 93.71%.
    
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    September 9, 2023 1:44pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Oh a myth is it
      
      ‘For every inch-above-average Election Day rainfall in a county, the GOP presidential candidate received a 2.5 percent boost in the polls between, according to a 2007 study in The Journal of Politics based on data between the 1948 and 2000 elections.
      
      Why? Low-income minorities tend to vote Democratic and are more sensitive to voting obstacles, said study co-author Thomas Hansford, associated professor at the University of California, Merced.’
      https://www.politico.com/story/2012/11/who-wins-if-it-rains-on-election-day-083215
      
      Although today, the Democrats probably have less support from low income minorities. The GOP has seen increasing support from Blacks and Hispanics- in particular.
      
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      September 9, 2023 2:03pm
    - Sparrow
      
      I know it was a long time ago and in a different country. But many believed the UK Labour Party lost the 1970 election because England got beaten by W.Germany from memory in the world cup semi final just before the election.
      
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      September 9, 2023 7:09pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      …you know, like they did on 14 July 1984; voter turnout, 93.71%.
      
      Hahahahah…… That included many, many right-wingers like me who made sure we got to the polls so we could end fucking Muldoon.
      
      For a guy who’s into the detailed mechanics of politics you have some … surprising blind spots. Labour themselves, here and in Britain, acknowledged for years that they needed a very good GOTV game on election day because of their voter’s reluctance to face the wind and rain.
      
      Or the morning removal of the bed covers. 🙂
      
      Meanwhile in the USA the Democrats long moaned about the GOP’s superior GOTV efforts on election day.
      
      Fortunately mail-in ballots and ballot harvesting has swung the needle back the other way. 😉
      
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      September 9, 2023 7:11pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Ah, no, Tom: detailed (perhaps; that’s not for me to say) mechanics of elections, not politics. So, you’ve picked out one ‘blind spot’ that isn’t one of my blind spots (of which I’m sure I have several) at all.
        
        And, in 1984, I, too, tried to get rid of Muldoon, although, in Miramar (Peter Neilson), my vote for Peter Button (New Zealand Party) was ineffective in that regard.
        
        My point was, it’s so easy to say what lastmanstanding said, or that if it’s wet, the Lefties will stay home, without ever providing (in the New Zealand context) any evidence.
        
        Have you seen post-election studies suggesting such phenomena has happened in New Zealand? I haven’t. But I am aware that, in 1999, the turnout was 84.77%, but, on 27 July 2002, when National crashed to 20.93% of the total of Party votes, the turnout was 76.98%. What could explain that, I wonder?
        
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        September 9, 2023 8:45pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        …, the turnout was 76.98%. What could explain that, I wonder?
        
        Heh, heh, heh…. One word, compared with that 1984 turnout figure… explains it….
        
        Hopelessness.
        
        We’ll see what 2023 is like. I’m not detecting a lot of hope out there on either close side of that precious centre. 🙂
        
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        September 9, 2023 9:15pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @Tom Hunter @ 9:15PM
        
        Hopelessness.
        
        Yep, I’ll give you that.
        
        Let’s face it, though. There was no way that you would ever have suggested that it was the fact of a mid-winter election – cold, perhaps wet, conditions – that kept National voters in their, dare I say it, “warm, dry”, homes that day, was there?
        
        I say again, there is no evidence whatsoever that All Black losses, or wet and/or cold conditions, have ever adversely affected either the vote for the incumbent party (whether Labour or National), or election turnouts. Yet, right-wingers will happily continue to suggest such nonsense, regardless, safe in the knowledge that, here on Kiwiblog, they’ll get a free pass – well, at least until someone like me happens along.
        
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        September 10, 2023 12:04am
  - Fisiani2
    
    Wave placards and you are a volunteer don’t wave placards and you are a nobody
    
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    September 9, 2023 1:47pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  And who are the main market for DB?
  
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  September 9, 2023 6:33pm
G the giant from Dunedin

Hello, anyone home, it’s half time you know
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September 9, 2023 8:04am
- Colville
  
  and it was all downhill from there….
  
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  September 9, 2023 11:13am
The Redbaiter

Time for a sea change in voting habits.

Recent statements from Mr Luxon wherein he rejects most of ACT’s policies have made it clear that the most suitable coalition partner for National is Labour. Therefore its time to relegate National to number two on the center right and make ACT the primary opposition.

As a disenfranchised conservative, I don’t like either ACT or National, but I’m not blind. Making David Seymour the Prime Minister will bring about at least some of the changes that are so desperately needed. It won’t happen under a Luxon led green-left National.
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September 9, 2023 8:06am
- leoj
  
  If the polls remain similar (Nats 33%, Labour 25% and given Luxon’s stance (or lack of) on so many key problems (such as the maorification of New Zealand), I wouldn’t put it past him to form a government with Labour……….
  
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  September 9, 2023 10:52am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Nats are polling at 36% in most polls, what’s this 33 rubbish
    
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    September 9, 2023 1:07pm
- septic skeptic
  
  This has been true for a long time, but both parties know that going into coalition with each other would give the game away, so it will never happen short of a war cabinet (or a pandemic) 😉
  
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  September 9, 2023 11:00am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I heard Barry Soper give an after dinner talk recently. He said Luxon would find dealing with Winston a piece of cake compared to David Seymour. All he would have to do is offer Winston the baubles of office and he would be no trouble. Seymour would expect real changes in policies.
  
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  September 9, 2023 11:02am
  - david
    
    Surely “Charterhouse Rules” apply to after dinner speeches. Baza might not appreciate his true feelings being broadcast to the nation.
    
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    September 9, 2023 12:16pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘Chatham House’
      
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      September 9, 2023 1:00pm
      - david
        
        AoR – absolutely right, my bad.
        
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        September 9, 2023 4:29pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    Yup, that’s what it is. Foreign minister baubles for Winston and another billion or so pissed away on the next Shane Jones slush fund.
    Oh, and good luck getting that full and frank Covid inquiry!
    
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    September 9, 2023 1:09pm
- Grunter
  
  Name the significant policy differences between National and Labour:
  1. Tax – almost identical
  2. Health – Nats not keen on race based stuff, but not really saying much else
  3. Education – mostly the same
  4. Police – possibly the biggest difference, Labour very soft
  5. Retirement – same
  6. Welfare – mostly the same
  7. Climate Change – same rubbish from both
  8. Race Relations – Labour slightly more radical with developing Māori separatism, but Nats still very woke on this one
  9. Govt Expenditure – Nats so far reducing spend by $1 billion, so not significant
  
  So it’s hard to say that this National team aren’t “Labour Lite”.
  
  What am I missing??
  
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  September 9, 2023 11:22am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Tax – almost identical? No way. Just wait until after the election, and Hipkins changing his mind about a CGT or Wealth Tax if Labour won. National also proposes to link tax thresholds to inflation.
    Health – National will disestablish the Maori Health Authority and return to having targets for hospitals to meet. Labour abolished targets.
    Education – National will disestablish Te Pukenga, reintroduce student assessments, and put the focus on learning core subjects, not Matauranga Maori, as Labour is trying to introduce into the curriculum across the board.
    Retirement – National proposes an increase in the age of eligibility for superannuation to 67 over 20 years. National’s indexation of tax thresholds will increase superannuation payments to seniors because super is calculated from the median after-tax income. Labour wants to keep the status quo, despite having had a rise to 67 as policy in 2017.
    Race relations – National opposes any co-governance of public services. They will repeal Three Waters, disestablish the Maori Health Authority and overturn the ability for councils to create Maori wards when voters do not support them.
    Government expenditure – stand by for National to release its fiscal policy some time after PREFU on Tuesday. The policy has been deliberately held back so Luxon, Willis and co know exactly how bad the economy is. But there will be significant cuts to Crown expenditure like stopping the $60 billion spend on Auckland Light Rail.
    
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    September 9, 2023 12:35pm
    - Warren Murray
      
      Reading that very carefully doesn’t refute what Grunter says. It actually confirms it. Tinkering with governance arrangements like Te Pukenga and all waters doesn’t amount to a major policy difference. Same with superannuation. National and Labour have flip flopped on eligibility age. One says it’ll move up, the other says no need to make any such change. When one party changes its policy, the other does the same.
      
      Hipkins is offside with his own party on tax, esp a wealth tax, but after the election, he’ll be like Robbo on his about face over GST on fruit and veges.
      
      The only parties in Parliament arguing major policies to change the status quo are Act and the Greens, and the latter would ruin this country very quickly.
      
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      September 9, 2023 1:55pm
    - Conservatarian
      
      Not wishing to speak for Grunter, but maybe he means (on tax) that National’s “Back Pocket Boost” simply hands out more Working for Families in many instances. For example, the tables on page 26 and 27 of that document show that a two income household with two children earning from $40,000 – $95,000 will from 2024 get “annual income relief” of $1,524 of which $1,300 is an additional WFF benefit. In 2026 that “annual income relief” on the same nominal earnings rises to $3,495 of which $3,271 is an additional WFF benefit. Maybe he sees National’s response as “rewarding” minimum wage earners for not improving their station in life and ensuring a shrinking pool of net taxpayers.
      
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      September 9, 2023 2:25pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      It sounds like Luxon and Hipkin both beleive there is a climate crisis.
      
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      September 9, 2023 2:56pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Probably just “going with the (moronic) flow” to win votes. Cruise along. Play the game. Collect the dollars. No worries.
        
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        September 9, 2023 6:37pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      I know you’re a National booster Tony, but really?
      
      It’s what they’re saying. We’ll see what happens when they win power. I’m not confident, especially after nine years of John Key, whom I voted for in 2011, 2014 and National in 2017 as a desperate throw-of-the-dice (hell, I voted for Bill in the death election of 2002 so why not):
      
      what is National going to do should it win this November beyond babysitting the institutions of Labour and the Left. Nursing those things along, tiring all the time and steadily losing votes simply by being in Government and getting blamed for the insanities of those self-same institutions. Until the day comes, one or two election cycles down the road, when a revitalised Labour gets back into power and gets to push forward some more. Ratchet Socialism at its best.
      
      Me here on Kiwiblog in 2008. The ratchet – or should I say rack – has wrung a few turns since then as we can see from what Labour picked up in 2017.
      
      2029 or 2032 will be worse after six or nine years of Mr Luxon and friends.
      
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      September 9, 2023 7:25pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Again, not true, how the hell do you find them the same on tax? Nats wanting to deliver tax cuts, Labour want to keep stealing your money, totally the opposite. Education, Labour have let education drift yo a basket case, yet Nats want the basic reading writing and arithmetic taught, yesterday they stated that teaches will tech kids how to read and write by law, none of this crap about kids learn like they do playing rubbish. Nats have ruled out all Māori cogovernance on service’s, and banning the Māori health authority
    
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    September 9, 2023 1:14pm
    - Warren Murray
      
      National are doing a rinse and repeat – which is tinkering with welfare. The best example is last week’s announcement that it would retain Labour’s school lunches programme.
      
      Perhaps it makes good politics in an election during a cost of living emergency (but don’t we have that every election?), but the school lunch programme was originally in response to falling attendance and educational achievements. But now it’s been proven to be completely ineffective, and much of the food goes to the homeless. In short, it’s expensive and untargetted welfare.
      
      That last point is why National and Labour are so similar, they both peddle welfare. National knows it’s more harmful than helpful, but maintain the welfare extensions started by Labour.
      
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      September 9, 2023 2:05pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      G the giant from Dunedin: “Nats have ruled out all Māori cogovernance on service’s.”
      
      Why the weasel words disclaimer of “on services”? National thinks NZers are stupid?
      
      Why not just rule it out totally for the obviously insane, racist and undemocratic bullshit that it is???? Because National contributed to this divisive and destructive notion being floated, and has plans to let it slide in certain areas?
      
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      September 9, 2023 5:54pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  [Mod – if you don’t stop telling people to bugger off, ffs etc etc, I will request a special ban for you to last until after the next government is formed.]
  
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  September 9, 2023 11:27am
- ClanMcleod
  
  As I posted below, Cam Slater putting a plausible scenario of National forming a coalition with the Greens and NZF. 😂
  
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  September 9, 2023 12:15pm
  - gorse
    
    If National does what Cam Slater is suggesting it will be the end of them. ACT will be the big party in three years time, National a minor party.
    
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    September 9, 2023 12:39pm
    - septic skeptic
      
      This scenario (with or without Winston) has been on my mind since Simon Bridges got rolled.
      
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      September 9, 2023 1:13pm
    - Observer of Life
      
      Gorse: Well maybe it’s time for ACT to replace National on the right, because National are no longer that far right.
      
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      September 9, 2023 9:16pm
  - The Redbaiter
    
    ClanMcLeod- “Cam Slater putting a plausible scenario of National forming a coalition with the Greens and NZF”
    
    I posted on the chances of this happening some weeks ago and the response from Kiwibloggers was pretty lukewarm IIRC. I still think there is a likelihood of Nats putting at least a confidence and supply agreement in place with the Greens.
    
    Three reasons-
    
    1) Nat’s current power group (Luxon et al) don’t like ACT. They perceive them as too far right.
    
    2) Luxon and especially Todd Muller have frequently spoken of their regard for Jimmy Shaw. Sure Muller is going but it still suggests there is a core group there that thinks the same way.
    
    3) I recently published this video on Twitter and when someone as radical as Marama Davidson flatly refuses to rule out any agreement with National, it signals there has to be something going on.
    
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    September 9, 2023 12:56pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      FGS they were the first party to be ruled out
      
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      September 9, 2023 1:16pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Red baiting away. The thought of this bunch of Greens lining up with National would give the members palpitations – and recall, such an alliance must be approved by these selfsame members.
      
      Chances of that happening must be close to zero.
      
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      September 9, 2023 1:37pm
    - rouppe
      
      For me, Muller’s mental weakness makes his opinion irrelevant.
      
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      September 9, 2023 6:34pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    National ruled out the greens at the beginning of the year, do they is utter rubbish, mind you Slater is on his Peters agenda again
    
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    September 9, 2023 1:15pm
- Ian Boag
  
  a disenfranchised conservative
  
  Does “disenfranchised” mean “not enough people agree with me” ?
  
  Or is it “no party has a policy that I agree with enough to vote for it” ?
  
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  September 9, 2023 2:06pm
Lee C

Hunter Biden ‘facing ten years’ for gun charges indictment.

Surely this will silence the deranged ‘Trump-cult’ who keep bleating about a ‘Two-tiered’ Justice system’, and finally prove that Joe Biden is fair and honest?
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September 9, 2023 8:07am
- CJames
  
  He might be “facing” charges. All but the most biased can see that this is because the political scandal got so great, Biden’s and the Democrat’s electoral success was threatened They had to do something.
  Will the charges be reduced? Has a sweetheart deal done been done with a compliant judge? If he is convicted, will he get a wet bus-ticket sentence?
  That is the thing which should be discussed.
  
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  September 9, 2023 8:16am
  - Lee C
    
    Agreed. I just thought I’d kick off with a bit of satirical probing to wet our appetites.
    
    Point being of all the charges Biden H could be facing, the gun charge is the only one which innoculates Biden Senior from having to be called to witness.
    
    The other issues relating to shell companies, foreign bribes, Tax evasion, money disbursed to Biden family from foreign sources, the selling of political favours, getting investigations shut down with leveraged USA Aid, meetings between Prosecution Council and Whitehouse, cocaine in the Whitehouse, attempts to charge Trump which miraculously seem to call for his presence in court during the election-cycle, and of course recent calls to bar Trump from standing on the falsely claimed basis he has ‘incited insurrection’ – well all of that – is just ‘hearsay’, and not worthy of investigation or discussion.
    
    For now.
    
    Clock’s ticking though…
    
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    September 9, 2023 8:28am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Don’t you just love his mugshot?
      Shows he means business and is committed.
      
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      September 9, 2023 8:33am
    - Lee C
      
      …sorry ‘whet’ not ‘wet’
      
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      September 9, 2023 3:47pm
  - kowtow
    
    “Being discussed”
    
    With our te media pahti that’s the issue .
    
    They most definitely have TDS but when it comesto the current Prez it’s radio silence .
    
    Latest one is Biden shuffling out of a medal presentation early leaving many in the reception stunned.
    
    Then hos Press Apologist saying he done it for the sake of the health of the elderly vet. Yet Biden had , as usual been up close .
    
    Excuses excuses.
    
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    September 9, 2023 10:26am
- Inandout
  
  Lee, it appears the end of the line is approaching the Bidens as even CNN are questioning Joe’s appallingly low approval ratings. Kamala is cackling on about how VPs have taken the oath of office seriously and will take on the role of President should there be a vacancy. Her ratings of course are near zero and the Dem machine must be lining up Gavin Newsom as the future contender. There is speculation that Obama is pulling the strings behind the scenes but that Tucker interview with the gay Sinclair may stall his endeavours.
  
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  September 9, 2023 8:18am
- Matt Long
  
  The Hunter Biden issue goes a little deeper than that, the last presidential election Hunter Biden’s issues were deliberately suppressed by numerous agencies while at the same time a bunch of hoaxes were promoted against Trump.
  
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  September 9, 2023 8:30am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The whole Biden family are crooks, about 12 of them. So are 80% of the Dems. They will do anything to stop Trump (even assassinate) from winning, because it will take away their lifestyle. Decades of corruption.
  Hunter is guilty as with his blackmailing of China, Russia, and Ukraine. He used Joe’s influence as VP and POTUS to do this.
  Remember Hillary? “If I go down, I will take half of DC with me.” That is almost a death threat to the crooked to never let Trump win!
  
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  September 9, 2023 8:30am
  - Caine9
    
    Yet the comparison is that Trump is the epitome of honesty and integrity?
    Really?
    
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    September 9, 2023 9:02am
    - Sacha
      
      No-one who enters politics is squeaky-clean. And you certainly don’t get to the top levels of power by being Mr/Mrs Nice Person alone.
      Voters have to make a decision something along the lines of benefit vs risk – call it ‘taking the good with the bad’.
      
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      September 9, 2023 10:12am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Do you have an example about Trump?
        No diversions – straight up. Some have said to me that Trump has been divorced twice, so he must be crooked. So fucking what? I have been divorced once. Does that mean I am a little bit crooked?
        
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        September 9, 2023 3:03pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      GOP is holding back impeachment and indictment of Biden. It is too early.
      Nice troll Caine.
      
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      September 9, 2023 10:21am
  - Che Guava
    
    If we’re talking about the Bidens, then we aren’t focusing on the true centre of power, which is those who are persecuting Trump.
    
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    September 9, 2023 10:19am
  - Paulus
    
    Obama is practicing in the Wings for the next election for Demos.
    
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    September 9, 2023 2:02pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Wet.Bus.Ticket coming
  “Weiss will exercise his new authority to go a little bit harder at Hunter Biden (while still taking care to insulate ‘the Big Guy), without fully throwing the book at him. Just as we saw after the IRS whistleblowers stepped forward, Weiss now needs to save some face, but his inclination to protect the Bidens to the greatest extent possible will likely remain intact. This is not generally the disposition of a prosecutor, but Weiss has repeatedly hampered and stymied his own investigation — closing off key lines of inquiry, barring pursuit of certain witnesses and questions, disregarding serious evidence, allowing statues of limitation to expire on serious offenses, and of course green-lighting an outrageous plea deal. He is unfit to be the special counsel in this case”
  https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2023/09/07/analysis-beware-of-the-special-counsels-new-indictment-intention-against-hunter-biden-n2628067
  
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  September 9, 2023 8:42am
- softail 1450
  
  LEE C, I wasn’t aware KB had a humor section, are you sure you’re on the right blog?
  “Joe Biden honest” HA,HA,HA ask his daughter Ashley about how honest he is , on pages 67&68 she describes how she would take a shower very late every night so she wasn’t forced to shower naked with her father”
  You’re a disgrace to even mention “honest and fair” in the same sentence as that dementia ridden pedophile unless you are attempting humor.
  
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  September 9, 2023 8:55am
  - Lee C
    
    Bless.
    
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    September 9, 2023 9:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Hunter best come and live in NZ.
  We don’t worry about crooks with guns.
  
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  September 9, 2023 9:16am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Haha nice one, nearly had me going there, but your last sentence gives it away.
  
  Pro tip: when making sarcastic comments, even those so obviously sarcastic as those above, it helps readers if you put // at the end. You’re welcome.
  
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  September 9, 2023 9:52am
  - Lee C
    
    I refuse to use the ‘sarc’ symbol Loddenthinks, it smacks of intellectual laziness.
    
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    September 9, 2023 10:08am
    - Che Guava
      
      I completely agree. If people don’t possess sufficient ability to detect nuance and subtly perverse ironic humour, then that’s on them. Pointing out sarcasm defeats the purpose.
      
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      September 9, 2023 10:23am
      - kisekiman
        
        “Dark humour is like food, not everyone gets it” – Josef Stalin
        
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        September 9, 2023 6:43pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        In the same way you missed my sarcasm because I didn’t add // ?
        
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        September 9, 2023 9:42pm
alex Masterley

Go:
Carlton,
ABs,
Black Caps,
The Wahs.
Anyone else?
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September 9, 2023 8:12am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Black Caps kicked the poms asses
  
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  September 9, 2023 8:13am
  - rockape
    
    And the frogs kicked yours !
    
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    September 9, 2023 11:32am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Act.
  
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  September 9, 2023 8:15am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Wellington!
  
  http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2023/09/rugby-wellington-extend-npc-winning-streak-with-victory-over-waikato-at-hamilton.html
  
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  September 9, 2023 8:26am
- Prince
  
  Novak
  
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  September 9, 2023 8:38am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Novax.
    
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    September 9, 2023 11:57am
- Opie
  
  Another master class on how not to coach currently underway from foster.
  
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  September 9, 2023 8:48am
  - Grunter
    
    Must have been another great HT talk from Foster the Imposter.
    
    It’s amazing how far backwards these players have gone since leaving their Super rugby teams a few months back
    
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    September 9, 2023 11:26am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Are there a few more Chiefs out there who could be called up?
      And anyway, it was too hot.
      
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      September 9, 2023 11:58am
Chris Nisbet

At the risk of bringing up a subjeggt that absolutely nobody cares about, if the carton containing my massively expensive Farmer Brown eggs tells me that a 5 digit code is stamped on each of the eggs within so I can track where it came from, why would not even one of the eggs within have a 5 digit code on it?
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September 9, 2023 8:14am
- Lee C
  
  did they put nano-chips in the yolks?
  
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  September 9, 2023 8:16am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Cluck knows.
    
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    September 9, 2023 8:28am
    - Lee C
      
      I guess the yolk’s on me, then.
      
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      September 9, 2023 8:29am
- septic skeptic
  
  Correct. 🥱
  
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  September 9, 2023 8:17am
- Opie
  
  Because the virtue signaling egg farms cannot keep up with production demands so they are using non compliant eggs to top up.
  
  Never buy eggs from the supermarket. You can get trays of 30 delivered direct from farms for around $20.
  
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  September 9, 2023 8:52am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Link?
    
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    September 9, 2023 9:48am
  - Ghost
    
    $12 for a tray of 30 eggs, all seconds, from our local pet shop. Only fault with the eggs is the shells are a little thin.
    
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    September 9, 2023 9:58am
    - wsk12345
      
      Which shop? You’re in chch right?
      
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      September 9, 2023 11:35am
      - Ghost
        
        For pet sake Timaru
        
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        September 9, 2023 12:09pm
      - Matt Long
        
        Timaru, I’ll put that on my places where services are all good, better than Ashvegas do you think?
        
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        September 9, 2023 12:35pm
imalwaysright

John Kirwans spectacles .
Did he get a 3D printer for Christmas .
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September 9, 2023 8:15am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Nope, they were bought from the same place as that cool hipster, Karl Te Nana.
  
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  September 9, 2023 9:30am
- Grunter
  
  And I thought Sky were screening in 3-D for the World Cup? My 3-D googles didn’t seem to work…..
  
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  September 9, 2023 11:34am
- alloytoo
  
  I have a suspicion that they double as hearing assistance, you can get glasses that vibrate audio straight through the bone.
  
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  September 9, 2023 6:58pm
slightlyrighty

After Tova’s interview with Chippie, I give you Labour’s new election song.

https://open.spotify.com/track/2dOwL7OS1lMfAL0il4y2Wx?si=LhqWnHcQTIOr9Kr89yIoWQ
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September 9, 2023 8:15am
- Prince
  
  I’m thinking more like….
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JgEptmz_eE&ab_channel=catman916
  
  …white lace and promises…
  
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  September 9, 2023 9:33am
- Vinicius
  
  I would suggest ‘I Got Plenty O’ Nuttin’ by George Gershwin would be really suited to Chippie and the Labour mob this time around.
  
  They’ve spent the last 6 years proving it.
  
  https://open.spotify.com/track/45xc1d1XIuF2zgHwxZnb7N
  
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  September 9, 2023 10:43am
Matt Long

It’s a good thing TV political shows don’t put anyone on with extremist views as commentators. Ohhhh.
https://twitter.com/RReidFU/status/1700083416568627471
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September 9, 2023 8:15am
kevn

Great summary…
https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2023/09/wendy-geus-media-averted-gaze-for-6.html#more
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September 9, 2023 8:17am
- Mark Hanley
  
  The word corruption is being used more often when discussing the labour hierarchy.
  
  The key will be for us to keep the pressure on Nat/ACT to investigate, prosecute, and strengthen conflicts legislation including monitoring / consequences.
  
  Otherwise the next Jacinda Adern will sweep in, wreck our economy and tear apart our social cohesian; whilst availing themselves of our money.
  
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  September 9, 2023 11:13am
Taieri

A bit of the Saturday Morning Cheer…

“(…)Decarbonising is relatively simple too. Stop burning fossil fuels to make energy. There are plenty of other ways to make energy without adding harmful gases to the air. It should be illegal to produce excessive greenhouse gases, the same way it’s illegal to poison children.(…)”

“(…)If the planet burns, if food supplies collapse, if the rising sea inundates our cities, then pronouns, potholes and gang patches will not matter. Once we have safeguarded our planet, then we can worry about the other important things again.(…)”

“(…)Look for incentives supporting solar and wind energy initiatives, commitment to electrifying transport of all kinds (ferries, buses, cars), the end of mining and burning fossil fuels, a commitment to fund and develop infrastructure to help us survive disaster, support for forests/wetlands/oceans (they absorb carbon), and willingness to address the effects of farming. In all cases, the sooner the better(…)”

Professor Abigail, a marine geochemist and climate scientist at the University of Otago

https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/election-2023-should-be-vote-future-planet-earth
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September 9, 2023 8:17am
- M.Solvent
  
  I wonder how she plans to construct solar panels, windmills, busses, ferries, cars, roads and infrastructure without hydrocarbons. I wonder what she expects us to eat once farmers have been regulated out of the industry. Actually the second one is easy – rations from the kolkhoz.
  
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  September 9, 2023 9:56am
  - kowtow
    
    Yep , the prof says “no mining” , where she gunna get the materials for those industrial scale solar and wind machines .
    
    Tells you all you need to know about how actually ignorant our so called clever academics are .
    
    And people accept this utter crap.
    
    Really , what planet do they live on .
    
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    September 9, 2023 10:31am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Professor Abigail is another lunatic cultist who has spent her life worshipping this insane ideology. 30 years she says.
  She is invested in this ludicrous narrative, even though not one of the horror predictions from others like Al Gore have ever come remotely close to true.
  She won’t let it go because to do so, would be to admit her whole life was a waste of energy. Wasting energy, how ironic.
  
  Here’s another excellent article thoroughly debunking the whole Chicken Little sham for what it is. A fake narrative.
  
  Our ‘global boiling summer’ wasn’t as hot as 1676
  
  IT SEEMS an age since we had a couple of weeks of nice weather in June, which naturally had the Met Office leaping up and down blaming it on climate change: ‘June has been confirmed as the hottest on record for the UK. A rapid study by Met Office scientists found the chance of observing a June beating the previous record of 14.9°C, like we have this year, has at least doubled since the period around 1940. The previous record of 14.9°C was recorded in 1940 and 1976.’
  
  They knew, of course, that it was not the hottest on record in this country, because they have the Central England Temperature series, which dates back further their UK records.
  
  And according to CET, June 1846 was more than a degree hotter. It was also hotter in 1676, 1822 and 1826. That, of course, demolished their claims about global warming, which was why they refused to mention the fact to the public.
  
  https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-climate-scaremongers-a-second-rate-hurricane/
  
  Let’s please not fall for this scam the way we did with covid.
  
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  September 9, 2023 10:10am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘Professor Abigail is another lunatic cultist ‘
    
    Having read her rant I concur with the accuracy of your description.
    
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    September 9, 2023 10:49am
  - Grunter
    
    This scam/Ponzi scheme is now too far gone.
    
    The lunatics have steered the ship into the rocks. Fossil fuel exploration has almost stopped in the western world. BRIC’s will now control energy (including minerals to make EV’s, solar panels and wind mills).
    
    The huge debt mountains in the EU, UK, US and Japan are ready to implode. They now need a war to hide their total failure and escape with their personal spoils of war.
    
    The Ponzi is nearing collapse of some sort. There is no logical way out of this mess.
    
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    September 9, 2023 11:48am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Maybe she should stick to geochemistry and climate sciencing, because she doesn’t seem to have much idea about how other things work.
  
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  September 9, 2023 10:10am
  - imalwaysright
    
    C.N
    
    Good points .
    
    They call it climate science but there are too many variables to be able to account for all possible permutations of a change in even one of them, never mind that they are all changing simultaneously.
    
    Terrestrial and extraterrestrial .
    
    Science is observation and measurement and testing theory to breaking point.
    
    “Climate scientist” is a misnomer.
    
    Invariably Unsuccessful Guessologist would be a better description .
    
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    September 9, 2023 10:26am
- GJM
  
  I would have more time for these nutters if they actually followed their own rules themselves. DOes she have a car? Does she wear synthetic fibre clothes? Have nylon carpet? Eat food – even organic mung beans rely on diesel for transport.
  
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  September 9, 2023 10:48am
cmm

Yesterday I watches an interview with the Bud Light marketing woman. She’s all about her happiness and her feelz etc – not much about understanding the customer. All that she really seemed to know about the customers is that they were, in her words, frat boys and had a need to change them.

These people don’t really seem to understand why there was such a backlash, but it is pretty obviously really.

After putting up with a workplace and an outside world which is hounding over their toxic masculinity etc, the average beer customer just wants to get home, crack open a beer and enjoy their have a breather from it all.

They just want a beer. They don’t want another fucking lecture!

So surprise, surprise, they leave the Bud on she shelves and choose some other brand.

There’s a message in here for other companies if they care to look for it. Be careful Mitre 10 etc and, of course, NZ beer brands.
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September 9, 2023 8:19am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Although Mulvaney was the spark it was that interview that really fanned the flames for Bud Light by showing the customers that the company didn’t like them.
  
  And after she got canned, all the follow-up adverts of “Pweeessseee come back and drink our shite product showed that the rest of the management was just as snobby and clueless as she was.
  
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  September 9, 2023 9:19am
- sirknz
  
  Listening to her talk about the marketing strategy, it sounded like someone with a marketing 101 paper, not someone with postgrad quals and years of experience.
  
  I see that Bill Gates has just invested in the Bud brand in the last few days. Expect the re-education attempts to continue.
  
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  September 9, 2023 9:25am
- cmm
  
  I also saw an interview of the CEO. No wonder he hired her.
  
  The CEO is a 30-something year old hipster. That’s fine for a craft beer making a few barrels a year – not for the biggest beer brands in USA.
  
  A fish rots from the head. The only way you get an out of control marketing department is if it is enabled by a wanker CEO.
  
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  September 9, 2023 10:19am
- coge
  
  They completely screwed up the advertising. They could have pulled it off in a more ‘inclusive’ way. Like a documentary advertorial series, Dylan and say four regular Americans set off on a fun road trip around the US. Visiting bars, meeting and partying with an assortment of beer drinking characters. Bud Light might have succeeded in whatever it was they were trying to do. By making it more accessible to their client base. Good humour and lightness!
  
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  September 9, 2023 11:46am
Opie

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/09/election-2023-jan-tinetti-insists-national-has-not-thought-through-education-announcement.html

Luxon announces structured literacy program so that teachers actually teach kids how to read and write. Sounds reasonable.

Tinetti and lefty trolls lose their minds. But but kids learn differently. Yep and at the moment they aren’t learning at all. Something has to change, child led learning simply doesn’t work and it creates a lack of respect and the hopeless kids that are coming out of schools current unable to read and write.

“Currently, schools and teachers can teach reading however they like…

New Zealand used to be among the world’s best for literacy rates, but has been sliding down the rankings over the last two decades.”

Says it all really.

For all their faults, national returning some old school basics to education will actually really help.

Get the kids to school and then teach them some useful skills. We have forgotten what school is for.
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September 9, 2023 8:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The kids can only learn if the Teacher can teach. The kids don’t know what Marxism is or who Karl Marx was, so they don’t take it in.
  They will only learn when there are Teachers of reading, writing, and math, without the political shit.
  
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  September 9, 2023 9:27am
  - cmm
    
    “The kids can only learn if the Teacher can teach.”
    
    We need to get rid of the myth that only teachers can teach.
    
    Education can happen anywhere – with or without teachers.
    
    If anything, teachers tend to dumb the kids down to conform. It isn’t necessarily their fault. There is no way you can give individual streams to 30 kids.
    
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    September 9, 2023 10:21am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Dumb kids down to the level of the not so smart, then everyone gets a good pass result.
      Also, heaven forbid, the student is smarter than the Teacher!
      
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      September 9, 2023 10:24am
      - lifesgood
        
        I have a gifted son. I got roundly told off by his teacher because he was streets ahead of the other students and it made her life difficult. It wasn’t anything to do with me…the kid was very bright. he learnt to shut up in class, and, no, he wasn’t a smart ass. Anyway he had the last laugh, he is probably earning 4 times more than she ever earned and has a highly successful career.
        
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        September 9, 2023 12:35pm
  - stiff cheese
    
    “Structured Literacy” works because it incorporates “phonics”.
    
    Has Tinetti forgotten she was in “tears” when she saw the proof 12 months ago . . Cast your mind back, dear:
    
    Tinetti, a former teacher and principal herself, said she had been hugely impressed by the “incredible” results coming out of Canterbury University’s Better Start Literacy programme, which is based on structured literacy methods.
    
    “The first time I saw results from my old school I had tears in my eyes when I saw the results these young people were achieving. So I think we’ve already indicated the direction we’re heading in.”
    
    Govt’s new literacy plan met with some skepticism | RNZ News
    
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    September 9, 2023 12:44pm
- PeeJay
  
  Anecdotally, I hear about a lot of issues with our schools and the completely laissez faire approach by teachers and head teachers.
  
  My own grandson is a fairly sharp young kid and is absolutely bored senseless at school – he does most of his learning at home and is constantly ahead of his peers – not through school but through reading and maths he does at home – his writing is atrocious but 2 out of 3 I suppose. In a previous generation, he’d probably have been advanced to a more appropriate level – currently, left to his own devices most of the week it would seem. And this isn’t unusual – most of his class are the same, just seems by a quirk of genetics he’s got a good brain and likes learning so does it in his own time at home….where as the others who don’t have the outside support of parents that give a shit, well it seems they tend to bob along at best.
  
  One of my friends constantly updates me on the issues at her daughters school. Complete lack of discipline, kids running amok, disruptive girl running around with scissors cutting other kids hair, bullying, fighting, general chaos. She’s been trying to get her kids moved from the school and has been battling with the MOE for years now. It’s a complete shambles – every good teacher leaves the school within a year or two, including one young teacher who was brilliant and actually decided to leave teaching rather than continue due to be completely frustrated at the MOE.
  
  All anecdotal but if this is even a vaguely accurate of the state of education at large, we are in deep, deep shit as a country and it’s going to take a lot of time to sort this shit show out!
  
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  September 9, 2023 9:47am
  - cmm
    
    Laissez faire starts with the parents.
    
    If the parents don’t care then the teachers don’t care either.
    
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    September 9, 2023 10:22am
  - septic skeptic
    
    I’m sure it is worse now but even 25 years ago there was huge variation in what was taught. My son left Picton going really well – top of his class. Got to Remuera primary and we got a real wake up at the first parent/teacher. She was actually concerned he might have been retarded! He finished Dux 👌
    
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    September 9, 2023 11:11am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Talking to parents of teenager; most kids at good schools are now having to get their mathematics instruction out of school via extra-curricula tutors and study groups etc because the teachers are truly incompetent.
    
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    September 9, 2023 12:54pm
    - Opie
      
      That was the same for me 30 years ago.
      
      Our maths teacher was Mrs Chang. She knew loads about maths but we just couldn’t understand her.
      
      One a, plus one b equal?
      
      I’m sorry Mrs Chang I have no idea. Ones a number, ones a letter.
      
      At least they were trying to teach us
      
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      September 9, 2023 7:23pm
- wsk12345
  
  Latest ep of Triggernometry podcast – interview with an ex judge at the Old Bailey in London.presided over thousands of homicide trials. Super interesting in many regards.
  
  One thing in particular she said was the more than 50% of those in her court have a low primary level literacy age. So not at 10 year old level, more like 7yrs.
  
  Correlation is not causation but makes me think they should extend this reading literacy programme to our prisons.
  
  She also talked about long sentences being problematic as people go in at 20. Come out having spent more than half their life in prison and have no chance of reintegrating. She wasn’t saying sentences should be shorter but that it is hard to balance justice against punishment and safety of the public factors (deterrent being irrelevant to 18 yo brains).
  
  Go listen to it.
  
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  September 9, 2023 11:44am
  - kowtow
    
    (deterrent being irrelevant to 18 yo brains).
    
    I think a liberal use of the noose , in the most serious of cases of course , would create an immediate sense of deterrent.
    
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    September 9, 2023 12:05pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Ideally we’d find jobs for them away from society for a few years to decades. Maritime workers, forestry, infrastructure, roading etc with some sort of high tech chain-gang arrangement. Those who come right get more education and freedom sooner, those who remain antisocial shitheads can graduate to jail for however long it takes for them to grow up – make preventative detention the standard rather than the exception.
    
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    September 9, 2023 1:04pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  But Grunter (11.22am) says that National and Labour’s education policies are almost the same. They’re about the same as chalk and cheese!
  
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  September 9, 2023 12:44pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Tony, Grunter is demonstrating he is an Act supporter. Unless Seymour tells him otherwise, there are only two types of policy. Act polies and all other are Labour policies.
    
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    September 9, 2023 2:47pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Do you just parrot whatever policy that Luxon pushes?
      
      Do Labour people just parrot whatever policy Hipkins pushes?
      
      You might want to consider the depressing fact that a good chunk of ACT supporters are so only because of the alternatives – and that includes more minor parties they might agree with more but are afraid of voting for in case Labour/Green/Te Paiti win.
      
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      September 9, 2023 10:11pm
Matt Long

This time NZ wins at least houses per thousand people, good to see the RMA working just super.
https://twitter.com/bernardchickey/status/1699630036897485108
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September 9, 2023 8:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I think the graph is upside down.//
  
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  September 9, 2023 9:29am
hullkiwi

Just shows how sad the Labour party and there trolls are. Trolling Chris Luxon’s page, responding to a photo of Luxon and Simeon Brown at the Howick Club watching the RWC opener.

Even Snownews pointed out & Amelia Wade wrote last night Luxon & National are all energy & Hipkins is we’re just getting started.
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September 9, 2023 8:23am
NeverMindTheBollocks

The new Blenheim library was set up with a Maori name only. When asked about it, Maori ward councillor and non mana whenua Allanah Burgess, of Te Ātiawa and Ngāi Tahu arrogantly said

“The building is named Te Kahu o Waipuna, and if you don’t know that’s a library, then there’s something seriously wrong”.

I searched in vain for the traditional Maori word for ‘book’, let alone ‘library’.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-democracy-reporting/132878100/deputy-mayor-offers-to-pick-up-anyone-struggling-to-find-new-library
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September 9, 2023 8:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There’s something seriously wrong with Burgess.
  
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  September 9, 2023 9:32am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Library – Whare pukapuka
  Book – puka
  
  kahu – cloth, garment.
  
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  September 9, 2023 9:34am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Not traditional Maori, transliteration from English.
    
    * No B in Maori, P is closest
    * OO = U, sounds like
    Chuck a random A on the end
    
    Book, eh = Puka
    
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    September 9, 2023 1:47pm
    - rouppe
      
      The thing I’ve noticed, is that Maori don’t respect other cultures.
      
      Every word has to have a Maori replacement word. Even place names.
      
      I was on a plane to Christchurch and they had that quiz thingy going. Every answer had a Maori translation. Half of them were simply phonetic approximations. Such as puka for book, something Maori never had, and therefore never had a word for.
      
      Every other language will use the original foreign word for a foreign concept.
      
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      September 9, 2023 10:14pm
- PeeJay
  
  This is not unusual now.
  
  Apparently the local folks of Rolleston outside Christchurch got completely ignored when they enquired, rather timidly I might add, if their brand new spanking library building might actually have the English word library added somewhere to the building.
  
  Some of the reasoning for the council refusing to budge were weird. It would spoil the existing fancy Maori sign. There wasn’t any space outside on the building. It wasn’t really a library as there was a cafe inside also (my personal fave – this would rule out most CBD libraries then).
  
  I had a look at the stats for Selwyn – under 10% Maori. So we have a situation where in a mainly non-Maori township, they aren’t even bothering with bi-lingual sings.
  
  This is happening throughout NZ.
  
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  September 9, 2023 10:07am
- cmm
  
  Never Mind
  
  I found the original Maori words for book and library. Here they are, written in the original Maori script:
  
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  September 9, 2023 10:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Close I reckon.
    
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    September 9, 2023 6:31pm
- kowtow
  
  The new Mosgiel swimming pool has an unpronounceable official Maori name too.
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/new-pool-officially-opens-delight-community
  
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  September 9, 2023 11:11am
  - Gravelroad
    
    I grew up in a town which had big public facility called the Municipal Swimming Pool.
    Not sure how many of us kids knew what Municipal meant . But we knew how to get to it, no problem.
    It was generally known far and wide as the Munies.
    (Not to be confused with the Moonies which was also a thing at the time.)
    
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    September 9, 2023 12:11pm
    - kowtow
      
      That reminds me of I think it was Max Cryer back in the day talking about the names we gave pools over time .
      
      Once upon a time they were the “baths” , then you have your “muni . swimming pool” then they became “pool complex” , then the very fashionable “aquatic centre” and now it’s regressed into unintelligble gibberish.
      
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      September 9, 2023 1:58pm
      - alwyn.a
        
        The best name ever for a swimming pool has to be “The Harold Holt Memorial Swimming Centre” in Glen Iris, Melbourne.
        For the younger among us Harold Holt was the Australian Prime Minister who drowned while swimming in appalling conditions near Portsea in the Melbourne area. His body was never recovered.
        Imagine having such a thing named after you if you had drowned?
        
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        September 9, 2023 6:29pm
- miltonF
  
  Te kahu o Waipuna = the cloak of waipuna.
  
  Ummm. I think Burgess is confused. I would never expect anyone to think someone’s cloak was a library? These people are mad. Brain rot.
  
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  September 9, 2023 1:14pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

A lovely warm summer and still some people have to moan

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300965634/climate-breakdown-has-begun-northern-hemispheres-summer-was-hottest-ever-measured-meteorologists-say
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September 9, 2023 8:30am
- Che Guava
  
  While there are proxies for measuring weather in the past (e.g. oxygen isotopes in ice, or pollens found in sediment etc), “hottest/coldest on record” depends when they started measuring the temperature. If I start measuring the length of my lawn today, then it will be the longest ever lawn on record.
  
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  September 9, 2023 10:00am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Yep we have about 1 million years worth of a good spectrum of climate proxies. There is nothing “unprecedented” about either the climate of today or any rate of change today. It’s all grifting and social engineering by quasi-marxists and other delusional zealots.
    
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    September 9, 2023 6:01pm
kowtow

A big weekend for sports and that’s reflected in the Ferald’s cartoon , a scrum theme but again they can’t help themselves .It’s Luxon complaining to the ref that someone’s offended him calling him “Old 7 houses Luxon ” ( Emmerson) .

I hope the Nats are paying attention to this election interference , which isn’t foreign but domestic , and all those who blither on about same .The bias is palpable.

And the editorial reeks of hypocrisy ; the Warriors are so wunnerful using a chartered jet ; this from a propaganda organ self obsessed with climate catastrophism and not one word of sustainablitity or carbon emissions.
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September 9, 2023 8:34am
- PeeJay
  
  Very simple solution post-election of National / ACT are in government. Slash any subsidies, cut the advertising and let Stuff, Herald etc survive on their own. I think we all know where that will end.
  
  I’d love to see RNZ and TVNZ privatised also, but one can dream.
  
  Problem is we’ll probably get the same cosying up to the media in the forlorn hope of them somehow giving National and ACT a fair go.
  
  I’m not a huge fan of Trump but I do respect his acumen in correctly sizing up the media’s inherent left wing bias and went completely around them. Our centre right politicians should think about that.
  
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  September 9, 2023 10:14am
  - artemisia
    
    Would it be overly cynical to suggest it may be related to taxing revenue from certain social media? After all, it’s where plenty get their news and opinion input these days. And some demographics have never looked anywhere else.
    
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    September 9, 2023 10:39am
Dudley Quaffquaff

I’ve been reading an entertaining book about cursed objects, and found in it the story from about ten years ago about Te Papa trying to ban menstruating or pregnant women from viewing tapu Maori artefacts. In the face of public outrage the museum first tried to explain that it was for the women’s own safety, since some of the objects had been used to kill, and then backed down altogether.

I wonder how that would play these days, now that we are required to treat Maori folklore and superstition as equivalent to science?
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September 9, 2023 8:51am
- Surely Knott
  
  It would be fine these days. The post modern Marxist queer gender theorists believe both men and women menstruate. Bleeding is beyond the binary in 2023. https://aninjusticemag.com/campaign-featuring-transgender-men-draws-ire-toward-trans-women-faf5fe999caa
  
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  September 9, 2023 9:34am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  They are NOT stone age.//
  
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  September 9, 2023 9:34am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Superstitions are always about; it’s just that at times they take a back seat.
  
  Remember the excuse for making sure PM Ardern couldn’t sit out on the paepae at Waitangi…. because she was pregnant:
  
  Mr Henare said because Ms Ardern was hapū or pregnant she would speak from the mahau (porch) of the top marae
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/348681/ardern-expected-to-speak-at-waitangi
  
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  September 9, 2023 9:41am
  - thirteenstars
    
    I’ve been to many marae events where there’s always a few women doing not much, often sitting, mending, while most are hard at work in the kitchen.
    
    They’re the menstruating ones. Can’t touch that food.
    
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    September 9, 2023 9:52am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Patriarchal discrimination all good if it’s from one of the woke approved special identities of the month. The fembots will fume internally but can’t say anything lest the woke mob turn on them.
    
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    September 9, 2023 6:44pm
- Taieri
  
  it was for the women’s own safety, since some of the objects had been used to kill
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  Such as knife, car, fire, rope, axe…just about anything can be used to kill…
  
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  September 9, 2023 11:05am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Chuck Norris’s chest hair
    
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    September 9, 2023 1:51pm
- miltonF
  
  The concept of whakama in Māori culture never seems to garner much attention. That is because it is quite blatantly sexist and they try to avoid portraying Māori culture in that light. Women on periods are not allowed to participate in anything much at all.
  
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  September 9, 2023 1:23pm
  - kowtow
    
    and whatever you do ,don’t mention the slaves .
    
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    September 9, 2023 1:59pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Or the torture.
      
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      September 9, 2023 6:19pm
Albie

Watched Piers Morgan grilling the Chancellor of the Exchequer under Liz Truss, Kwasi Kwarteng.
Piers asked him if he was willing to apologise to the British people for all the financial hardship his disastrous policies inflicted on them.
Took a full 15 minutes to get him to finally admit fault and belatedly apologise.
Any chance The Hosk could get Red Robbo to apologise to us?
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September 9, 2023 8:52am
- kowtow
  
  Piers Morgan ?
  
  Did that lowlife hack ever apologise over phone tapping scandals ………
  
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  September 9, 2023 11:15am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Can be a bit of a dick at times but he has his moments.
    
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    September 9, 2023 6:45pm
Benedict Yu

Yesterday I was looking at the National candidate for Chistchurch Central. Seems a sensible enough guy. So I was thinking I may as well vote for him as ACT will never win the electorate.

If many ACT voters give their electorate votes to National, does that pose a danger to National List candidates? Let’s say National gets 34 percent of the Party vote ACT gets 16 percent of the Party vote. But half of ACT voters give their electorate vote to the National candidate.

Could we have a scenario where National ends up with few, or potentially no List MPs?
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September 9, 2023 8:55am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Act will never win an electorate seat, the idea of act was always party vote act, snd electorate vote Nats, do this in enough seats it won’t matter how many list seats we get, all Candidates will get electorates, and it may well create an over hang
  
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  September 9, 2023 9:02am
  - NK
    
    Act has won Epsom on five occasions and this year will possibly win Tamaki.
    
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    September 9, 2023 10:33am
    - alwyn.a
      
      ACT won Wellington Central, where I live, in 1996.
      Now we have Grant Robertson and he’ll no doubt be followed at this election by another Labour rep.
      Sigh.
      
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      September 9, 2023 11:14am
    - lifesgood
      
      I hope they don’t win Tamaki. They can have Epsom but the sitting MP in Tamaki is hard working, honest and excellent. Suspect it will be the same young women who voted for Jacinda who will vote for Act in Tamaki.
      
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      September 9, 2023 12:41pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    It would take some industrial scale collusion and rorting of the system to get National to an overhang situation. Possible though, and one of the (many) flaws in our MMP system.
    Easy fix though, just make a rule that says you can only bring in electorate MP’s if you get enough party vote nationally.
    
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    September 9, 2023 11:22am
    - alwyn.a
      
      What are you then going to do for the people who live in the Electorate? Would you tell them that because they haven’t listened to daddy properly they aren’t going to be allowed an MP for the next three years?
      
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      September 9, 2023 6:33pm
- John Loveridge
  
  Even as an ACT supporter I’m voting for the National candidate in Wigram, with ACT getting my party vote. There seems little point in voting for the local ACT candidate when National offers the best hope we have of ejecting Megan Woods.
  
  However I’m very open to having any flaws in my thinking pointed out. I want to place my votes where they will have the greatest effect in removing the current regime.
  
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  September 9, 2023 9:16am
  - NK
    
    Exactly how I vote. I vote for the National electorate candidate who needs to win the swing seat I’m in, and I then PV Act.
    
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    September 9, 2023 10:34am
  - Martonman
    
    Your thinking is on point
    
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    September 9, 2023 10:39am
- imalwaysright
  
  If I cast my party vote in the woods will anyone hear it.
  
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  September 9, 2023 9:20am
- Matt Long
  
  That’s the only power of the electorate vote; barring overhangs, the electorate vote gives voters the chance to choose the make up of a parliamentary team rather than the party apparatcheks who rank party lists.
  A possible scenario for this election where Labour is so despised but National isn’t polling particularly highly either, is that National could win enough electorate seats to get an overhang, so ACT voters, and in fact anyone wanting a change of government, should definitely vote for the local National candidate, including in Epsom.
  
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  September 9, 2023 9:26am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Sad for Gerry Brownlee. National overhang and he is out of Parliament.
    
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    September 9, 2023 9:39am
    - septic skeptic
      
      Won’t happen. The rout will be across the board in both party votes and electorates. Unless ACT increases it’s party vote AND nearly all their supporters tick blue for their electorate.
      
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      September 9, 2023 11:27am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    David Seymour will get more electorate votes than last election.
    
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    September 9, 2023 9:41am
    - Matt Long
      
      Only if the Epsom voters lack the intelligence to understand how MMP works, so, yes, probably you are correct.
      
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      September 9, 2023 9:54am
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Plenty of Epsom voters may move their vote but the fact is they get two electorate MPs. Seymour is a very active electorate MP, running frequent street corner meetings, attending the local schools etc. Paul Goldsmith is not quite so visible around the electorate. So nothing dumb about voting for Seymour if you want a hard working electorate MP.
        
        There are some dumb strategies at play next door to Epsom. In Mount Albert – Melissa Lee is hardly visible in the electorate. Has chosen to locate her party office on Great South Road in the heart of Epsom, with Paul Goldsmith.
        
        While Mt Albert has been a labour seat under reigning Prime Ministers H1 and Jacinda I don’t believe it should be viewed as a safe labour seat. The Nat candidate prior to Lee was gaining votes. The area has had significant gentrification over the past 20 years. Current labour candidate Helen White has been invisible in the current parliament. People are at their lowest ebb for supporting red and green.
        
        I believe ACT would have been better standing BVW in that electorate rather than trying to take a crack at Simon O’Connor. Thus alienating the wider traditional values community.
        
        Or National should get serious about taking the electorate, Melissa Lee should move her electorate office somewhere around Dominion Road and give the electorate a real crack!
        
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        September 9, 2023 11:01am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I will be voting Cameron Brewer in Upper Harbour, and Party vote Act.
  I would like to see UpperHarbour back in National’s hands. Labour only won by 2000 odd votes. With all of the money in this area it is unbelievable that people voted Labour.
  Jake Bezzant inherited a 9000 advantage from Paula Bennet into a 2392 lose to Vanushi Walters. Woman problems and he got crucified.
  
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  September 9, 2023 9:48am
- cmm
  
  BY, just vote for the person you want to vote for.
  If the National or Labour candidate win it is unlikely to change the balance of power in parliament.
  NB unlikely, not impossible.
  
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  September 9, 2023 12:53pm
- NothingLeft
  
  That would actually be the ideal; if everyone party voted Act and electorate voted national it would create a large overhang on the right.
  
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  September 9, 2023 1:10pm
- rouppe
  
  It’s just math, Benedict.
  
  34% of the party vote equates to 40.8 seats. Say 40 seats.
  
  If national win 40 electorate seats, no list MP’s. Less than 40 electorate seats, the difference is made up of list MP’s that haven’t won seats, by list ranking. More than 40 electorate seats, overhang.
  
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  September 9, 2023 10:05pm
Suze Wainwright

Does losing this one potentially give the ABs an ‘easier’ quarter final?
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September 9, 2023 9:01am
- DeepBlue
  
  I thought a close loss would be the best outcome. This game was embarrassing.
  Another few points down for Labour.
  
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  September 9, 2023 9:46am
  - septic skeptic
    
    So win win win then!
    
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    September 9, 2023 11:29am
- thirteenstars
  
  Nope, harder. Runner-up Pool A plays Winner Pool B, which will be South Africa who recently handed us the biggest loss we’ve ever suffered.
  
  How’s that make you feel?
  
  https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/2023/pools
  
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  September 9, 2023 9:54am
  - PeeJay
    
    I suppose you are right – I mean, we should beat Italy and take second in the pool. Then again, Fozzie seems to be particularly brilliant at collecting unwanted records, I wouldn’t plan for the quarter’s just yet!!!
    
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    September 9, 2023 10:22am
    - Colville
      
      You think we might join England and Australia in leaving the competition at the end of pool play??
      
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      September 9, 2023 11:25am
      - thirteenstars
        
        I doubt Italy is any real threat.
        
        It’s South Africa that’ll hurt us, again. But if we can somehow get our heads out of our asses and harden up enough to get over them we’ll meet Australia in the semis.
        
        A problem is that our three remaining pool games are against somewhat easy-beats whereas South Africa has a fairly hard group playing Ireland, Scotland, Tonga and even Romania, which will toughen them immensely for the quarters.
        
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        September 9, 2023 11:47am
      - PeeJay
        
        I do jest…..mostly! Agree with 13 – we should beat Italy. Dare say they’ll be competitive for about 60 minutes or so and give us a hard time but even a poor AB’s team should have enough to beat Italy. Might be closer than it should be, but we should get through.
        
        However, we are playing pretty clueless rugby and anything can happen – Italy could have the game of their lives (they gave France a big scare and Ireland a good game during the six nations) and we could have one of those games where everything goes wrong. Could even come down to a moment of madness and we end up with a red card (my big fear – we have some players that are card magnets at the moment).
        
        At the end though, suspect we’ll end up playing SA and sadly, I think that will probably be it.
        
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        September 9, 2023 1:36pm
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      “Fozzie seems to be particularly brilliant at collecting unwanted records”
      I guess someone has to collect (or break) the undesirable records but for the main “prize” it’s interesting to compare Fozzie to Hansen for the parallel period in their reigns:
      Foster:
      Bledisloe Cup
      Winners: 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023
      Freedom Cup
      Winners: 2021, 2022, 2023 (no 2020)
      The Rugby Championship
      Winners: 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023
      Rugby World Cup
      Winners: 2023 ?
      
      Hansen:
      Bledisloe Cup
      Winners: 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015
      Freedom Cup
      Winners: 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015
      The Rugby Championship
      Winners: 2012, 2013, 2014, Runners Up 2015
      Rugby World Cup
      Winners: 2015
      
      Maybe Foster will walk away with a 100% record for the “main” prize or maybe he won’t, but not risking a key player early in the tournament looks like a good “main” prize strategic focus to me.
      
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      September 9, 2023 1:23pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    That’s IF SA beats Ireland, and assuming we would prefer Ireland to the Boks. I think today’s match is largely irrelevant unless we contrive to lose again in the group.
    
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    September 9, 2023 11:33am
NeverMindTheBollocks

It’s only a matter of time before someone dies through an ambulance being trapped in the queue.

It’s about time that these people are slapped into chokey for serious periods of time.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132899105/two-people-charged-after-motorway-protest-in-wellington
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September 9, 2023 9:07am
lastmanstanding

I suspect many Labour back benchers and some Cabinet Ministers will be scrambling to look for work post 14 October. Any organisation that employs them clearly doesnt value its reputation a case of Losers hiring Losers. I will endevour to avoid dealing with any such organisations at all costs.
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September 9, 2023 9:10am
- Paulus
  
  Don’t they get three months Redundancy pay too !
  
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  September 9, 2023 2:13pm
- Ghost
  
  I don’t think some of them will have a problem finding jobs.
  
  Luxton can go back to her childcare centre.
  
  They have experience in locking down a country and taking people’s rights away from them so prison guard for a few?
  
  Police Minister doesn’t see crime as an issue its not getting worse, so defence lawyer
  
  Andrew Little Completely screwed over a health system so his brain can be donated to science if they can locate it
  
  Willy Jackson will have no problem finding a new job with his iwi
  
  And the back benchers that no one knew were in there will silently delete the past few years and claim they have been in a coma for the past 3 years thus no experience on their CV
  
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  September 9, 2023 2:26pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I believe there is plenty of work wiping bums. Apparently one gets quite used to it after a short while.
    
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    September 9, 2023 6:48pm
thirteenstars

Noir c’est caca.
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September 9, 2023 9:11am
snowy

The ABs played like the Labour Party governs
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September 9, 2023 9:14am
- David Garrett
  
  snowy: I am assuming from your comment that our brave boys lost some rugby game?
  
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  September 9, 2023 9:46am
  - John Loveridge
    
    Reading GD today it has dawned on me that there must be a rugby tournament on. Dare I glance at the MSM websites?
    
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    September 9, 2023 11:34am
    - Paulus
      
      From recent reading it appears that Rugby is fading in New Zealand and is being replaced by real Football – Women’s particularly at present, but that will fade as there is no money for it.
      400 metres from where I live in Tauranga Matua every Saturday morning the local field is covered with many hundreds of young children, and family supporters playing football. There are something like 20 plus pitches from 5/6 years old’s to full size.
      The noise is terrific and I walk there and it is a joy to see.
      From it I see a future for New Zealand every time..
      
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      September 9, 2023 2:21pm
      - John Loveridge
        
        Is that the one with the round ball?
        
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        September 9, 2023 5:17pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

I’m conflicted on this one. Common humanity means we should help these people. But, the scammer escapes with his ill-gotten gains & the taxpayer picks up the tab.

Personally, I think we should consider the guest-worker approach. Offer limited term work visas [for low wage roles – doctors etc to follow a different path] with no right to permanent residence, let alone permanent migration. There are any number of Third World workers who will leap at the chance to live here for (say) three years & earn by their standards good coin – the RSE scheme shows that.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/497585/scammed-migrants-in-auckland-will-soon-be-homeless
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September 9, 2023 9:17am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The Minister of Immigration should resign….
  
  oh woops.
  
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  September 9, 2023 10:03am
- stiff cheese
  
  Big sums involved. The cheated, migrant workers paid “sums of money, ranging from $15,000 to $40,000, to various agents”.
  
  Immigration New Zealand launches investigation into migrant worker exploitation | RNZ News
  
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  September 9, 2023 4:26pm
- ISeeRed
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W12ME9SqWMs
  
  Yes to temporary guest workers. No to permanent residents with voting rights.
  
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  September 9, 2023 7:58pm
Tomtoddy

Foster’s inability to fix All Black weaknesses showed up this morning. French controlled the tempo so no continuity, no flow and then sat back waiting for the inevitable All Black errors.
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September 9, 2023 9:21am
- thirteenstars
  
  I’ve got a bad feeling about this.
  
  2003, semi-final loss to Australia, All Blacks sleepwalked to defeat.
  
  2007, quarter-final loss to… France, another slow-motion defeat
  
  2023, opening game, Blacks seemed clueless and ill-disciplined.
  
  We won’t win the pool. As runner-up we’ll player winner of Pool B which will be, uh-oh, South Africa.
  
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  September 9, 2023 9:38am
- septic skeptic
  
  I think the kick tactics need a serious re-think. Unless you are ALWAYS going to get your chaser into the air – which is hard running through traffic – there is too much chance of cards getting dealt out.
  
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  September 9, 2023 11:37am
  - thirteenstars
    
    I looked at that (very average) kicking and thought, why play to the strength of European teams which is the kicking game?
    
    France looked pretty bushed early on and we should have battered them to a standstill but all that kicking and the penalties we gave away–13-4?–just let them back in and they ended up having a great time, laughing and smiling even before the match was over. They knew they had us.
    
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    September 9, 2023 12:01pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Beauden Barrett loves kicking up and unders, but the reality is the probability of regaining possession from that is about 20%. So 4 times out of 5 you’re just gifting hard-won possession back to your opponent.
    
    But Foster is responsible for the gameplan. Presumably he told BB to kick like that.
    
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    September 9, 2023 12:45pm
greybeard

Fuckez-moi, quelle horreur !
Beauden Barrett certainly knows how to kick. And kick. And kick….
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September 9, 2023 9:21am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  The problem was greybeard, that kicking was Fosters strategy. And clearly we had no players on the field that had the balls (like McCaw used to) or brains (like McCaw) to change the strategy because it wasn’t working.
  
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  September 9, 2023 9:34am
  - greybeard
    
    You must have been watching a different McCaw to me: as far as I remember he never had a plan B when required, and his sole leadership weapon was to lead “From the front”. No strategic mind at all.
    
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    September 9, 2023 9:51am
    - thirteenstars
      
      Agreed.
      
      McCaw was captain in 2007 when we lost the quarter-final to, yup, France.
      
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      September 9, 2023 10:00am
      - Colville
        
        That was when he was a boy… that taught him a lot and he went on to be an ok player. You know…2 world cup wins…player of the year 3? times…
        
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        September 9, 2023 11:29am
    - PeeJay
      
      Wouldn’t say you are 100% right on this.
      
      Yep – at the start, would agree he was bad at changing things. In 2007 he was particularly crap at changing things. In 2011 he was more confident but that final was way to uncomfortable – still the ‘lead from the front’ approach. However, by 2015 he and the core around him were so much in control that I think almost anyone could have coached them to the cup – they would constantly adapt and a lot of that came down to in-game captains calls.
      
      Good example of this is the semi-final 2015 against South Africa. AB’s being pinged constantly at the breakdown. Early in the second half, McCaw gathers the forwards and they stop contesting the breakdown until the ref says out – watch the game, they are waiting and have eye’s on the ref and wait until he says it – effectively took the ref out of the game. The Bok’s were in the game because of penalties – they took the ref out of play and closed it out. That was captaincy – that was a plan – they also started kicking for territory more so any penalties were in the Bok’s 22. Seem’s pretty strategic. Backed up by a strong group who trusted each other implicitly.
      
      I know a few old folks who coached against him when he was coming up through the ranks when he played at Lincoln University – brilliant and too bloody smart are the phrases constantly used.
      
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      September 9, 2023 10:44am
- Mobile Michael
  
  Yes, All Blacks looked confident when attacking with ball in hand, but kept kicking the ball away and conceding defensve penalties.
  
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  September 9, 2023 10:36am
- Martonman
  
  And one of the rating gurus gave him an 8!!!
  
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  September 9, 2023 10:42am
- imalwaysright
  
  Grey
  
  Barrett seemed reluctant to be tackled.
  The only runs he seemed to make were to get on camera next to the try scorer.
  His awareness of the opposition is surpassed by his awareness of camera locations.
  He squandered the forwards efforts many times.
  
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  September 9, 2023 11:11am
  - virtualmark
    
    He’s been a great player, with amazing talent and skills. But the last year or two it’s seemed like he’s lost his confidence or aggression.
    
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    September 9, 2023 12:47pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      He did take a serious head knock a couple of years ago
      
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      September 9, 2023 5:23pm
    - Opie
      
      Funny that, when he is being made to play out of position, while a lesser player is at 10.
      
      Tell me about a world cup nz won with players playing out of position?
      
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      September 9, 2023 7:52pm
Tom Hunter

New Zealand 2030….

California’s Governor Newsom has slowed his roll on his unachievable “green energy” plans to keep his “dirty” energy sources on long enough to fake out the electorate – especially if he has to step into the ring for President.

Just look at the outages across the state

Still, at least he saved the Diablo Canyon nuke plant, and all that coal gets burned in Utah and other foreign states.
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September 9, 2023 9:22am
Ghost

China bans Chinese made phone….

Shares in Apple have fallen for a second day in a row after reports that Chinese government workers have been banned from using iPhones.

The firm’s stock market valuation has fallen by more than 6%, or almost $200bn (£160bn), in the past two days.

China is the technology giant’s third-largest market, accounting for 18% of its total revenue last year.

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September 9, 2023 9:27am
- miltonF
  
  I wonder if people realise why the Chinese are doing this? Same thing happened with Tesla. Banned from government locations in China.
  
  The Chinese are well aware that these technologies can be used to for spying and data collection. They know exactly how it works, because that is what they do with their own products. I would be quite concerned right now if I owned a Chinese phone such as Huawei or a Chinese EV such as BYD. Pretty clear that the CCP has back door access to these devices.
  
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  September 9, 2023 1:32pm
  - Ghost
    
    There was an article a few weeks ago that should have been a wake up. Let me see if I can find it
    
    The Biden administration is hunting for malicious computer code it believes China has hidden deep inside the networks controlling power grids, communications systems and water supplies that feed military bases in the United States and around the world, according to American military, intelligence and national security officials.
    
    Article
    
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    September 9, 2023 1:42pm
Rusty

The All Blacks should beat Namibia in their next match!
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September 9, 2023 9:30am
- thirteenstars
  
  But Italy will be licking their lips. I can smell the garlic from here.
  
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  September 9, 2023 10:01am
In Vino Veritas

All Blacks lose. Again. But hey, at least we threatened the French with a stick at the start. Foster will take great heart from that. Perhaps he will even look to improve on the stick threatening.
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September 9, 2023 9:36am
imalwaysright

All black coach post match interview looked like a Wellington bureaucrat that went over budget. Couldn’t give a toss.
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September 9, 2023 9:36am
Prince

A picture paints a thousand words…
Hipkins and Robertson…
‘Table closed, do not use’.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300967253/nz-election-2023-live-early-start-on-the-election-trail-for-rugby-world-cup-opener
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September 9, 2023 9:36am
Jack5

More evidence of the shonkiness of New Zealand’s immigration regime.

A former Immigration Minister, Tuariki John Delamere, now an immigration consultant, is ordered to pay a former customer nearly half a million dollars.

Delamere and the customer were using the fast-track investor scheme, but that required the Chinese customer to hire three NZ citizens or permanent residents for two years.

The investment was to go into a new branch of Delamere’s immigration business:

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/former-immigration-minister-ordered-to-pay-460k-to-advisee/ar-AA1gpF2p?
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September 9, 2023 9:37am
- Che Guava
  
  Perhaps unknown to most readers, Delamere is also notable for an innovative long jump technique that has since been outlawed.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ6ySgqjONI
  
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  September 9, 2023 11:29am
- GJM
  
  Another ex Winston First minister as I recall. Winston has a knack of picking som euseless subordinates. I guess it stops them from threatening his position.
  
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  September 10, 2023 10:41am
Ghost

Worth watching, sounds like NZ

Sky News Australia host Piers Morgan says the UK is experiencing a worrying rise in vigilantes where police refuse to do nothing.

“They’ve stepped in where police won’t, to shift eco-protestors off our roads and they’ve taken to now ransacking the new ULEZ clean air cameras in London,” Mr Morgan said.

“People think that nothing works including the police and they’re tired of it so they’re getting on with action themselves.”

Article

And the obese story

Obese patients are being treated on the ground floor of a hospital because of fears that floors above them made of crumbling concrete could collapse.

The shocking disclosure has been made after a group of MPs visited the hospital, built with reinforced autoclaved aerated concrete (RAAC).

Article

Oh hell, I’ll throw in this as well

Lefties Losing It
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September 9, 2023 9:46am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Why did I click on ‘Lefties Losing It?’
  
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  September 9, 2023 10:04am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    We are not living in a mental asylum at all.
    
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    September 9, 2023 6:55pm
Loddenthinks

Though I take no pleasure in it, I’ve been predicting for months now that Foster would add yet another unwanted record, surely now the worst coach in ABs history.

Two weeks after presiding over a shambles at Twickenham where we suffered our biggest defeat in history, the All Blacks were very well beaten by France, registering their first ever loss in a RWC pool match.

Foster’s litany of shame:
– First ever loss to Argentina (in Sydney)
– First ever loss to Argentina in New Zealand
– First ever loss to Ireland in New Zealand
– First ever loss to Ireland in a series, also in NZ
– Biggest defeat in 120 years of international rugby, and at a neutral venue at that
– First ever pool loss at a RWC.

CHANGE THE GOVERNMENT!
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September 9, 2023 9:50am
- thirteenstars
  
  I’d forgotten how bad it’s been. Maybe I’ve got PTSD.
  
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  September 9, 2023 10:03am
- imalwaysright
  
  Lodden
  
  He sounds perfect to lead the labour party.
  
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  September 9, 2023 10:58am
- Colville
  
  We never had this shit under John Key!
  
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  September 9, 2023 11:33am
- hullkiwi
  
  You can’t win rugby if you’ve kicked the ball away and when your kicking game is as aimless as it was this morning.
  
  There was no leadership on the field, and being provocative, some of the senior ABs on the field were a big reason for the loss, not Foster.
  
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  September 9, 2023 4:31pm
  - ProtectBabiesFromPredators
    
    No leadership you say? Dare I say it? Here is the ‘Leadership’!
    The Exec, as people leaders, are responsible for the day to day running of NZR, while the CEO is ultimately responsible for ensuring that NZR’s strategy is implemented and that the organisation achieves its objectives. The CEO and Exec work closely with the NZR Board and provide a link between staff and the Board.
    Mark Robinson
    Chief Executive Officer (CEO)
    
    Andrea Brunner
    Chief People, Safety and Wellbeing Officer
    
    Steve Lancaster
    GM Community Rugby
    
    Chris Lendrum
    GM Professional Rugby & Performance
    
    Charlotte McLauchlan
    Chief Communications and Brand Officer
    
    Angela Nash
    Chief Information Officer (CIO)
    
    Jo Perez
    Chief Financial Officer (CFO)
    
    Darren Shand
    All Blacks Manager
    
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    September 9, 2023 6:30pm
David Garrett

I am currently in NZ having a bit of R and R – for all its appeal, one needs to get out of Tonga often to stay sane.

I am struck by how many working class guys I know who are planning to vote ACT, many for the first time. My local mechanic – a long time Labour man – is voting ACT. Down at an old fashioned pub yesterday – very few actual “pubs” left – I got into conversation with a table of tradies. All but one were voting ACT, the other one said he was voting National “to make sure” [there is a change of government

I am starting to believe Labour is going to get a real hiding rather than just losing by some margin.
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September 9, 2023 9:55am
- Ghost
  
  Go back to Tonga, you can escape the national mourning for some team losing some game.
  
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  September 9, 2023 9:57am
  - David Garrett
    
    Ghost: LOL..Yes, I understand “the country is in shock” because some rugby game has been lost.
    
    Funnily enough, the Tongans are even more obsessed with rugby than our fellow Kiwis…There is widespread bewilderment among my Tongan friends that a hereosexual male from “Noo Seeland” couldn’t give a fuck about who the AB’s are playing, let alone the score.
    
    Are Tonga at the RWC? I genuinely don’t know.
    
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    September 9, 2023 10:19am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Sure Tonga is there. You could hardly admit Portugal and Chile and leave Tonga out.
      
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      September 9, 2023 10:51am
      - David Garrett
        
        Bene: Thank you. One of the many amusing and quaint customs the Tongans have is that they celebrate wildly when their rugby team plays an international – regardless of the result. I’ts all a bit confusing; one always has to ask if they won or lost.
        
        I am also told that nothing has changed in the 23 years since I watched Tonga beat France in 2000 – one of only two rugby tests I have attended in my life.
        
        The Tongan crowds were , and I’m told they remain, extremely sporting: there is polite applause when the visitors score a try, and complete silence when the conversion is attenpted. None of the boorish booing and hissing that is apparently still the norm here.
        
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        September 9, 2023 11:17am
    - Matt Long
      
      Tonga is there and Israel Folau is on the team.
      
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      September 9, 2023 12:01pm
      - kowtow
        
        Ah so .
        
        In case anyone missed it.
        
        http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2023/08/guest-post-spiro-zavos-on-australian.html
        
        Australian rugby and the Folau factor .
        
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        September 9, 2023 12:10pm
      - Matt Long
        
        Those bigoted intolerant religious hypocrites, except this study shows Christians as the most tolerant group, and atheists as the least tolerant group.
        Maybe especially when Brown skinned Christians get out of line.
        https://twitter.com/TheRabbitHole84/status/1699899559739322766
        
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        September 9, 2023 5:30pm
- cmm
  
  National used to be the party for business people – large, medium or small.
  Now they’re a Wellington beltway party more I terested in EVs than building an economy.
  
  I am not at all surprised that the trades skipped over National. All National are offering are the same policies printed on different colour paper.
  
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  September 9, 2023 1:02pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    Hey, that’s unfair! They’re also using a slightly different font.
    
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    September 9, 2023 8:23pm
- Inthe09
  
  If you look at the breakdown of the age/sex stats on some of those polls you can see men are very strong supporters of Act and National.
  
  Further good news is that men over 40 actually, you know, vote – and they are not voting for the Left.
  
  The media can bang on as much as they like, but as Wayne Brown proved, focus on the people who bother to vote.
  
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  September 9, 2023 1:03pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/new-zealand-police-are-being-groomed/
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September 9, 2023 10:11am
Nookin

Ioane’s break early on looked spectacular but is he the epitome of everything wrong with the orblax?
He ran a straight line, as he always does, no variation in speed except when tackled and was oblivious to Aaron Smith and another AB, unmarked, inside him.
He does not have the instincts and foresight needed by an international centre. He should have been looking for support as soon as he made the break because 99.9% of the time he is covered by the defence.
The backline has no flair or variation. Standard MO is the dummy runner followed by a pass followed by a dummy runner. No moves, no foresight. How many readers can remember Going brothers and the double scissors. Maybe wouldn’t work under current rules but at least they thought of something new.
Watching them today was all a bit depressing – especially the kicking.
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September 9, 2023 10:17am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Chris Hipkins is now World famous.
Stop lying Hipkins. Is Ardern feeding you this? Or H1?

https://redbloodedconservative.com/2023/09/08/new-zealand-pm-says-its-your-fault-if-you-took-the-jab-got-injured/
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September 9, 2023 10:19am
- David Garrett
  
  Steve O: If Hipkins is quoted correctly, that is outrageous…people in many industries – teachers, police etc. – had the kind of “choice” faced by those in the twin towers on 9/11 – stay and be burned to death or jump out the window and die quickly.
  
  For the record, I took the jabs, but certainly would never be taking any more of them. And as a self employed lawyer, I DID have a real choice.
  
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  September 9, 2023 10:25am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    David Garrett – here’s a short video that shows in no uncertain terms that Hipkins is quoted absolutely correctly. There is no ambiguity whatsoever. It also shows what an obnoxious person Hipkins is.
    
    Have a sick bucket handy.
    
    https://twitter.com/c_plushie/status/1698340363482882398?s=20
    
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    September 9, 2023 11:01am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Lying bastards, both of them.
      
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      September 9, 2023 11:21am
      - David Garrett
        
        Steve O: Well bugger me…a blatant bare faced lie…I noticed Sepuloni not doing the usual vigorous nodding behind him when he said it.
        
        “Take the jab(s) or lose your job” – only a totalitarian would describe that as a choice.
        
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        September 9, 2023 11:25am
      - septic skeptic
        
        More like “we made them an offer they couldn’t refuse”.
        
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        September 9, 2023 11:48am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        DG, a barefaced lie that he does without batting an eyelid.
        National and Act need to drum this into the left – hard!
        How about a huge post board with Ardern and Hipkins with the quote ‘nobody will be forced to get vaccinated.’ on it, with a link to that X URL?
        
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        September 9, 2023 3:19pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @DG. Tyranny!
        
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        September 9, 2023 6:35pm
- mandk
  
  This is quite the most disgraceful and dishonest thing Hipkins has uttered.
  
  Added to the fact that no informed consent was possible because the form people were required to sign was misleading, the idea that there was no compulsion is patently wrong.
  
  “Take the vaxx or lose your livelihood” is about as voluntary as handing over your wallet to a mugger with a gun.
  
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  September 9, 2023 10:35am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Let’s applaud for him for guaranteeing Labour’s utter defeat.
    
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    September 9, 2023 8:25pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Steve – this paragraph.
  
  Don’t get mad about this. Recognize that it happened. All of the “conspiracy theorists” who urged people not to take the vaccines were correct, and the tyrants and government health officials lied about every single aspect of the COVID-19 virus and the vaccines.
  
  Everyone should remember that this happened because it can happen again. Governments know that they can scare people into taking a potentially deadly experimental medicine if they present people with a tough choice.
  
  This is why the apparent collective silence of all political parties in NZ re covid (apart from the opportunist Peters) concerns me to the point of not knowing who to vote for.
  
  I don’t know what anyone stands for when it comes to response to a future ‘pandemic’. I’d really like to know how a future government might react.
  
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  September 9, 2023 10:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Nuremberg 2.0 is needed.
    
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    September 9, 2023 11:22am
  - Che Guava
    
    They can’t repudiate what was done because they know that whoever is in government next time will have to do exactly the same again.
    
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    September 9, 2023 11:26am
  - David Garrett
    
    Clan; You are never going to find a political party whose policies you wholly agree with; Keith Holyoake apparently said that he only agreed with about 80% of National’s policies of the day.
    
    Ignore the vaccination disgrace mate, and vote ACT. (Give your electorate vote to whoever you like; it is of little consequence)
    
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    September 9, 2023 11:29am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      David Garrett – I totally understand that elections are not single issue and I know the problems in all areas.
      
      However, I can’t vote for any party that refuses to acknowledge that the response to covid was not only an utter failure, but it destroyed the lives of, and killed or injured many thousands of innocent people.
      
      I can’t understand why so many people feel the same as you, that is was some trivial policy mistake that can be fixed by the next government? It was a generational disaster that has to be acknowledged as such or we won’t be able to move on as a country.
      
      My greatest concern is, I have seen nothing to indicate that Act and National won’t repeat the exercise?
      I have an email from Seymour lauding the jabs and stating that they are good and that they killed nobody!
      As a former Act politician, if you have some inside information you can share with me to refute this, please do so. If you’re simply asking me to pretend none of it happened, not a chance.
      
      It didn’t destroy my life, but it did to numerous friends.
      
      It caused permanent damage to my family relationships and cost many friendships. It cost me 2 years of my life when I was segregated and othered. I couldn’t travel and couldn’t access 95% of retail outlets because I wasn’t jabbed, wouldn’t mask and wouldn’t play the moronic game.
      It cost me substantial loss of income.
      
      So no, I’m not forgetting it and I ask those who suggest I and others do this, please think about what you’re suggesting and try and see it from the other point of view.
      
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      September 9, 2023 11:48am
      - David Garrett
        
        Clan: No, I have no “inside information”; but then I am not really in the ACT tent anymore, although I still support them.
        
        Back when Seymour was a one man band, he often sought my input on law and order matters and policy, but of the late the official ACT policy – or perhaps I should say Seymour’s policy – imposed on the rest their caucus – is to distance the party from me as much as they can.
        
        I hear what you are saying, and FWIW from my limited knowledge I think there was considerable harm done by the “vaccines”. I have to say though that IMO there is as much hysteria and hyperbole among “your lot” as there was on part of the powers that be at the other end of the spectrum three years ago,
        
        As I see it, your claims of massive numbers of people adversely affected by the jabs are as difficult to sustain as were the supposed massive numbers of people Ardern was going to “save” by jabbing us all.
        
        My point remains: You will never find a political party you totally agree with, so you hold your nose and vote for the one which most aligns with your thinking – for me that is still ACT – or you don’t vote at all, which is a cop out.
        
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        September 9, 2023 12:25pm
      - cmm
        
        DG, I get your point entirely and will be voting Act again this year.
        
        But for some it is rather raw. Seymour can come across a bit smugly and joined in with all the others.
        
        If you look at what Seymour’s stance was, I think it was pretty reasonable most of the time.
        
        He said there should be alternatives for people that didn’t want to get vaxxed (eg testing). Now that’s not too logical, but would have been about the best you could ask for given the fear etc.
        He is also on record saying that the unvaxxed should be listened to, but he failed to follow through himself.
        
        I think that ultimately many view Act as a libertarian party and felt let down when that illusion was shattered.
        
        IMHO, Act is far from libertarian, but is perhaps the closest we will get.
        
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        September 9, 2023 1:20pm
      - Craig Hallen
        
        NZ Loyal (Liz Gunn) seem willing to speak up about all this – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqCm0JMYE0Q
        
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        September 9, 2023 1:30pm
      - rockape
        
        In the next few months we as a nation are going to decide who governs NZ. At least we will decide the makeup of that government. The choices are limited and by no measure will we come up with a perfect solution., because their isn’t one.
        
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        September 9, 2023 1:47pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        David Garrett – the evidence is pouring in. Excess all cause mortality, plummeting live births, huge increases in disabilities.
        The numbers are all pointing directly at the jabs. This is why nobody wants to talk about it.
        
        Eventually the evidence will be unstoppable and there will be repercussions. They can’t come soon enough.
        
        No, there isn’t any hyperbole from my ‘lot’. There is a huge movement for truth and freedom.
        As for the other ‘lot’. That wasn’t hyperbole either. It was pure fear porn and propaganda.
        
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        September 9, 2023 11:18pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Interesting comment from Bret Weinstein regarding covid policy; that all but one of the 10 clauses of the Nuremberg code were violated by over-excited power hungry and perhaps financially corrupted western govts/health officials.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Code
  
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  September 9, 2023 1:16pm
Maggie Pie

A bit of Friday night shopping in Melbourne’s Bourke street.
Highlights the wonders of diversity with Dan Andrews at the helm.

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsAust/status/1700272264858735074
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September 9, 2023 10:27am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  This just comes up with an error with loading when I try to open. Is that because I am not signed into X?
  
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  September 9, 2023 11:16am
  - oldfella
    
    PL: it’s been deleted.
    
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    September 9, 2023 12:00pm
  - Ghost
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVzaW0x3NzQ
    
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    September 9, 2023 12:08pm
    - Inandout
      
      Ghost, some years back a religious nut mowed down pedestians in Melbourne and I think a baby in a pram was killed. The story died fairly quickly because the nutter wasn’t a Christian.
      
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      September 9, 2023 1:53pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Yes…it’s already been deleted.
  Showed the perp, a black beared mozzie wearing a white kaftan, sitting atop his car ‘admiring his work’ and scowling at everyone who came near.
  Described as being known to police and suffering from ‘mental issues’.
  
  To much information for Dan Andrews obviously.
  
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  September 9, 2023 1:22pm
ClanMcleod

I know it isn’t needed, but here’s more evidence that the more jabbed you are, the more risk you are taking.
Dr John Campbell studies the excess mortality figures from around the world. The graph clearly shows the correlation between high rates of vaccination and this disturbing trend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naopp_KF678&t=326s

The countries with the highest jab rates are suffering the greatest excess all cause mortality. NZ is number 4 in the world. (Seymour still claims we have negative all cause mortality.)

The poorer eastern European countries with the lower vaccination rates have actually gone negative in all cause mortality numbers.

It is beyond doubt now that correlation IS causation. There are only so many times you get away with claiming that all of the negative outcomes associated with covid policies are ‘just a coincidence’.

It’s a short video and shows in stark terms just how horrendous the actions taken by all of our governments actually were. Particularly places like NZ whose PM is now denying they forced people to take this poison.

Hipkins should be accompanying Ardern, Bloomfield, Baker, Wiles, Hendy, Verrall and a number of others to the dock of a courtroom.
They should all be serving lengthy jail terms.
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September 9, 2023 11:11am
- imalwaysright
  
  Clan
  Very magnanimous to offer them a trial.
  
  What we need to start the ball rolling is a timeline record of what they knew, what they did, and when these occurred.
  
  Detectives are very good at this, so are lawyers.
  
  It really should be done by the commission of enquiry but their parameters are so narrow that they will end up proving a lie because the truth is outside their scope.
  
  Unbelievable .
  
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  September 9, 2023 11:40am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The so called ‘inquiry’ is a pure whitewash. The terms of reference are ludicrously narrow. As you allude to, it has only been set up in an attempt to sweep the whole thing under the carpet.
    
    The good news is, like the video I posted above highlighting Hipkin’s role in coercing people into taking part in this experiment, plenty of people, myself included, have been recording screenshotting and copying all parts of this nightmare over the last 3 years.
    
    We have the receipts to produce when the time is right.
    
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    September 9, 2023 11:57am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  There you go, Clan. NZ under Labour, not always bottom of the pile.
  
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  September 9, 2023 5:30pm
Chuck Bird

FAMILY MATTERS: Exposed! The Radical Sexuality & Gender Indoctrination in Schools

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AeU0gNDCgg
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September 9, 2023 11:20am
Jack5

A good, though perhaps temporary, blow against Woke “de-banking” activism: the High Court has blocked the Australian-owned Bank of New Zealand from closing the accounts of the controversial Christian group at Gloriavale on the West Coast.

Woke activism by banks is an international problem. The NatWest actions are described in the second link below.

In America, there’s a row over JPMorgan chase de-banking the National Commission for Religious Freedom, whose advisory board includes a formal US Attorney-General (Jeff Sessions) as well as Christian, Jewish, Muslim, and Hindu religious-freedom advocates.

National Australia Bank owns Bank of New Zealand. At the moment, BNZ’s initial Internet web site opens with an index to a feature about “banking in te reo Maori”, below the welcome sign: “Let’s ako (learn) how to bank in te reo Maori.”

Court delays debanking of Gloriavale:

https://www.thepress.co.nz/a/business/350069555/bnz-cannot-dump-gloriavale-after-40-years-now

Debanking in UK:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/what-the-natwest-scandal-means-for-consumer-rights/
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September 9, 2023 11:24am
thirteenstars

“LINDSAY MITCHELL: Cultural indoctrination of the New Zealand Police”

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/lindsay-mitchell-cultural-indoctrination-of-the-new-zealand-police

Pretty shocking stuff, particularly the materials themselves:

Look at the modern semi-auto rifle graphic. Hardly representative of the 19th century, and the tone of the commentary is rabid:

https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/default/files/publications/colonisation-destabilising-a-culture-handout-web.pdf

Cherrypicked and highly decontextualised information:

https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/default/files/publications/urbanisation-destabilising-a-society-handout-web.pdf

Do the police officers themselves have access to the source material? Perhaps but most will just accept this as fact.

The family violence wheel. Seems OK until you notice “using male privilege” and then we get it: this isn’t a wheel about violence between individuals but violence from men towards their families:

https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/default/files/publications/power-and-control-wheel-poster-web.pdf

As Michell says:

“A couple of decades ago this type of material would have sat unremarked in a reading list for a BA in sociology. In fact, the source for the ‘destabilising a culture’ handouts is a PhD thesis written in 2001 by someone appearing European but citing their tribal credentials. Graduates and their ‘learnings’ have now firmly infiltrated public service agencies across the board.”

Police indoctrination is bad enough but we can now see how co-governance ideology has so thoroughly permeated every level of government when you consider how many state employees have merely a BA or BSc or a degree in government administration and it’s infected with this kind of material. They are primed and have no ability to resist when such policies are discussed and implemented. Useful idiots.
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September 9, 2023 11:26am
- Swifty
  
  The welfare state has done more to destroy Maori families than colonisation ever did.
  
  Little ram-raiding scrotes, Harley riding ‘gangsters’, the ‘crips’ and ‘bloods’ in South Auckland, the organised burglary teams up and down the country, the ‘monsters’ with 11 kids with four different women (none of whom he supports) – almost all had great-grandparents who were married for life, law-abiding, worked for 50 years, retired in their own house and lived great lives.
  
  No, most of this degradation is comparatively recent.
  
  It’s staring us in the face but the elites, politicians and the intelligentsia are doing all they can to obscure this fact and throw up red herrings as quickly as their little fat hands can do so.
  
  Colonisation! Racism! White supremacy! Patriarchy! Climate change! Putin!
  
  They are openly lying to us. Either that or they are completely delusional.
  
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  September 9, 2023 11:45am
  - Swifty
    
    *mobsters, not monsters.
    
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    September 9, 2023 12:20pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      Nah, you got it right the first time.
      
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      September 9, 2023 8:34pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I’ll go with delusional, Swifty. They really think that they are on the side of history.
    
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    September 9, 2023 5:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

14th Amendment. The Dems are trying hard to stop Trump.
“That’s why the left is pushing for former president Donald Trump to be convicted of planning an “insurrection,” but proving that “insurrection” was his intention may be challenging.

https://thepoliticalmovement.com/2023/09/08/states-jumping-on-board-the-14th-amendment-bandwagon-to-keep-trump-from-ticket/?ocxfa_tag=political

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/amendment-14/section-3/

If the Dems put as much effort into running the Country as they do trying to stop Trump, America would be a better place.
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September 9, 2023 11:35am
- virtualmark
  
  This will surely end up at the Supreme Court, with the key question being “Just how do we define, and prove, an insurrection?”.
  
  The preponderance of legal weight is behind Trump coming under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, but there is still enough legal grey area to see this go to SCOTUS.
  
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  September 9, 2023 12:54pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Jan 6 was *not* an insurrection or a rebellion so your ‘preponderance’ falls at the fist hurdle.
    But hey, it probably makes your TDS feel warm and fuzzy.
    https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4158573-the-disqualification-of-donald-trump-and-other-legal-urban-legends/
    
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    September 9, 2023 2:08pm
    - virtualmark
      
      When the 14th Amendment was passed Congress defined insurrection as “unlawful obstructions, combinations, assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States [that] make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the U.S.”
      
      That sounds exactly like Jan 6 to me. The specific legal question is to what *legal* extent (as opposed to moral extent) Trump is responsible for the Jan 6 insurrection.
      
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      September 9, 2023 2:37pm
ClanMcleod

How’s this for a nightmare scenario as pontificated by Cam Slater on Reality Check Radio.

He claims the National Party loathe the Act Party, that the Act Party come from the left. Also a strong Act Party election would be quite a brake on the National Party and Luxon’s woke policies.

The scenario is, Luxon reaching over to the Greens and NZF. Peters keeps the Greens quiet while Luxon gets on with ‘fixing the climate’. Peters can front the Maori stuff.

It means National could destroy Act who are actually becoming a threat to the Nats……..

It’s an interesting conversation!

https://realitycheck.radio/a-political-agenda-panel-discussion-with-olivia-pierson-marty-gibson-and-cam-slater-2/

Go to 55 minutes in.

OK, on that note I’ll head to the garden. 🤡
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September 9, 2023 11:35am
- rockape
  
  It would be interesting if Slater wasn’t a paid shill for Nz first.
  
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  September 9, 2023 12:12pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Want he a paid shill for National for quite a while? There seem to be a lot of shills in NZ. Particularly in that cess put called the Wellington beltway. 🤡
    
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    September 9, 2023 12:18pm
    - rockape
      
      Yes until his father was sacked as party president, closely followed by Cam being kicked out of the party. He has never forgiven National. Judith Collins used to tuck him up in bed when he was a kid and that’s why no leader but Judith was good enough. How did that work out ?
      
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      September 9, 2023 12:45pm
  - Ghost
    
    I’d trust a steaming pile of bullshit before I’d trust anything that person said. One of the most vile people in politics who carried out some of the nastiest attacks on people.
    
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    September 9, 2023 12:48pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      So not Ardern and Hipkins then?
      
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      September 9, 2023 10:54pm
- kowtow
  
  If the Nats went NZF/Green they might get in this term , but three years later ACT would be the main conservative / liberal ( in the true sense) party and the Nats would be history.
  
  Strnger things have happened .
  
  Maybe we’d finally get a proper “right leaning” govt .
  
  It’s already happened in Europe , it could happen here .
  
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  September 9, 2023 12:18pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    It’s how political sea change happens. Labour are destroying themselves because they long ago abandoned their reason for existing in the first place. The working classes.
    They now support academic ideologies and bribe poor people to vote for them. They don’t support true working class people.
    
    National appear to be making the same mistake in their desire to hold the middle ground. They are abandoning their core voters rather than focusing on doing the right things and trusting voters are able to comprehend this.
    
    The outcome of this election will be interesting, we know Labour are gone, but the changing dynamics are certainly going to be interesting. National haven’t been moving at all. Other parties are, NZF, Act etc, but National are static.
    That should be a concern for the party faithful.
    
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    September 9, 2023 12:40pm
    - cmm
      
      Ditto National.
      Remember when National were promoting small and medium businesses etc?
      Now they’re just like Labour – listening to the Wellington beltway.
      
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      September 9, 2023 1:25pm
  - rockape
    
    I think a much more likely scenario, maybe around 2029 will be this. ACT with core support of the right around 30%. Labour with core support from the left around 30%, and National with core support from the center around 30%.
    
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    September 9, 2023 12:47pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      33% of women under 50 intend to vote for Greens or Te Pati Maori according to latest roy morgan poll. The extreme left is growing rapidly in NZ as our ‘education’ system churns out fully indoctrinated air-heads
      
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      September 9, 2023 1:19pm
- ProtectBabiesFromPredators
  
  Cameron Slater always has a little bit of excrement on the end of his tongue, it is worthwhile to examine who is his target in any of his diatribes.
  
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  September 9, 2023 7:08pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    There was no target. He hypothesised about political alliances. Nothing else.
    
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    September 9, 2023 10:57pm
    - ProtectBabiesFromPredators
      
      Nothing in the back pocket? Are you kidding? His legal Bills outnumbered his Income 10:1
      
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      September 9, 2023 11:01pm
- rouppe
  
  I wouldn’t trust anything that slug says
  
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  September 9, 2023 9:30pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Hope this works. Covid, you can not comply your way out of Tyranny.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/652322950173829
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September 9, 2023 11:52am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It works without being logged into FB.
  It is European Parliament, but I don’t know who she is.
  
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  September 9, 2023 11:55am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Steve Otto – it’s Christine Anderson, a German politician and MEP. She has been an outstanding critic of all of the covid measures.
  
  She’s also very vocal re the whole ‘great reset’ nonsense. This is her talking about 15 minute cities.
  
  https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/05/13/christine-anderson-mep-full-15-min-cities-climate-lockdowns-digital-tyranny/
  
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  September 9, 2023 12:02pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Thanks for the ID
    
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    September 9, 2023 12:37pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Complying with tyranny has never worked in history and never will.
  
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  September 9, 2023 12:05pm
Biscuit

You’ll need to be quick to use this – they play their first-ever game on Sunday night, NZ time – but:

Chile are the only team to have gone to a Rugby World Cup and not lost a Pool game…
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September 9, 2023 12:16pm
SmokerGuy

Such a disappointing game this morning. The All Blacks are just a shadow of previous teams to wear the jersey. Poor kicking, lots of mistakes, poor attack for large parts of the game. We have no chance of winning this World Cup unless we can find our mojo but I don’t really believe Foster is capable of turning it around, the writing has been on the wall for a while but the dinosaurs at NZRU have just let it keep going.
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September 9, 2023 12:41pm
- Rusty
  
  @SmokerGuy,
  
  And Jeff Wilson telling us some of the French players weren’t physically up to it.
  
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  September 9, 2023 1:09pm
  - Dougal10
    
    With all his woke media training it seems Mr Wilson could fit into the labour party with the shit he was spouting.
    
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    September 9, 2023 1:46pm
Drone

The Right/Centre Right are tearing themselves apart in an attempt to differentiate themselves. Seymour is an arrogant person (avoided the Mod), Luxton is invisible. If they fail to agree in a private backroom deal the MSM will slaughter them and Labour and the (don’t use that sort of language here, Mod) will be the government for the rest of our short lives (Me and Steve O)
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September 9, 2023 12:49pm
- kevn
  
  Drone… Drift along to a Luxon/Nats meeting.
  
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  September 9, 2023 1:37pm
lifesgood

Anyone else find all this “Up the Wahs” nonsense puerile? Never heard it before the last couple of months and now it’s popping up everywhere.
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September 9, 2023 12:53pm
- Rusty
  
  @lifesgood,
  
  Agree it’s annoying, you hear it everywhere, what does Wahs stand for with the Warriors?
  
  The Aussie super rugby team the Warratahs have been referred to as the Wahs over the years.
  
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  September 9, 2023 1:06pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Rusty, Wahs because they have been called the Auckland Wahines for years.
    
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    September 9, 2023 1:26pm
- Inthe09
  
  Don’t worry it’ll be over in a couple of weeks.
  
  Warriors for tonights game $6.5o to Penrith at $1.11. Emotion aside the bookies know the deal.
  
  The following weekend they’l likely play Newcastle, who’ve been playing well the last few weeks. The Warriors won’t find that an easy game either.
  
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  September 9, 2023 1:11pm
  - PeeJay
    
    I follow a bit of NRL (much more interesting than super rugby IMHO) and I think they are a pretty good team at the moment so definitely have a chance – they aren’t at the Panthers / Broncos / Storm level but definitely competitive against the rest of the finalists. It would be a big shock if they win against the Panthers – if not and if they end up playing against the Knights, it will be a home game so very much even odds I’d say (both one the home fixture this year I think). Regardless, unless they can pull out a miracle result tonight, there are at least three much better teams than them this year so I doubt that this will be their year.
    
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    September 9, 2023 2:03pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  It’s been around for years life, a play on what the Warriors have commonly been called in Auckland, the Auckland Wahines.
  
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  September 9, 2023 1:26pm
Maggie Pie

My partner’s been looking for a new GP.

When he just read this he said….
“It’s a shame this guy wasn’t in Auckland”

https://trib.al/0QfbM9A
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September 9, 2023 1:43pm
Fisiani2

Labour campaigners singing “and now the end is near and so I face the final curtain “
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September 9, 2023 1:57pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Can’t help but think there must be some kind of genetic defect in people who would vote to return this government.
  
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  September 9, 2023 2:17pm
  - cmm
    
    There are a huge number of people who make coin out of this.
    
    Consider all the public servants. Sure we require some of them (especially the front line staff in healthcare etc). But we could do without half of the white collar public servants. For them a return makes sense.
    
    Remember there are massive industries that thrive on the misery of others.
    
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    September 9, 2023 4:11pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    350k adults on benefits, 450k public servants, 760k over 65, 10k in jail, 1bout 1.75million getting some or even most of their income from govt (not counting students and WFF).
    
    3.2million enrolled. So govt benefit recipients >50% of those enrolled to vote.
    
    And that’s why NZ is inevitably screwed.
    
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    September 9, 2023 4:46pm
    - Ghost
      
      let’s see some of those people getting an income from the government are nurses, doctors, prison guards, teachers, police, military. Many who aren’t happy with this government and what they are paid.
      
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      September 9, 2023 5:02pm
  - ProtectBabiesFromPredators
    
    Bob Jones has always said he profits immensely from Labour Governments. A clue there?
    Follow the money.
    
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    September 9, 2023 7:17pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie retweets 😎

JT suggests to son-in-law that he pulls out all the stops to get Te Maori Pardy back in the headlines by rarking up the dumb pakeha even more….

https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/09/te-pati-maori-promise-prison-abolition-in-new-justice-policy/
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September 9, 2023 2:41pm
- kowtow
  
  Any Maoris voting for that shower and a radical close the prisons policy would be voting for even more crime committed by Maoris on Maoris .
  
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  September 9, 2023 3:47pm
- Che Guava
  
  The only Maori that would benefit from the abolition of prisons would be Maori criminals. Like the rest of us, Maori would be far better off if all the criminals amongst them were taken out of the society.
  
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  September 9, 2023 3:52pm
- rouppe
  
  So when a Maori offender commits a crime against a non Maori victim, they think Maori tikanga restorative justice is going to work?
  
  Hell no, I’ll want some white man’s justice thanks very much
  
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  September 9, 2023 7:37pm
Sparrow

I was talking to a young mum who had had a premature baby recently. Apparently the hospital was experiencing a very large increase in premature births. Staff were being run off their feet. Conjecture was that maybe it was due to Covid and or the vaccine. There has been no publicity about this increase.
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September 9, 2023 3:49pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Excess deaths in highly vaxxed western countries have been running at about 10% average for last year and a half. For NZ that is about 5000 excess deaths, about the same as our official 4500 covid death toll (cf 10-15000 for western countries where covid went through population in ’20-’21) .
  
  For less vaccinated countries – like most of eastern Europe excess deaths have been close to or even below zero for the same period.
  
  It’s now reached the point where the excess deaths that appear to be vaccination caused (with no sign of slow down yet) are exceeding the lives saved by the vaccines – administered at a point where most of covid damage had already been done.
  Vaccination only became pervasive as low risk omicron was taking over, and after earlier more lethal variants had been through most of population.
  
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  September 9, 2023 7:16pm
cmm

6.8 Earthquake in Morocco and, of course, there’s a Kiwi on the scene.

Safari tour passengers trampled by elephants in Kenya? There’s a bloody Kiwi there!

Kiwis make up less than 0.1% of the world’s population but somehow there’s always one at a disaster.

If you’re ever overseas and you hear a Kiwi accent, then run like hell – something bad is about to happen.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/morocco-earthquake-kiwi-in-marrakech-describes-panic-amid-deadly-68-shake/JTZQGMY64FHDVI2DYNTVJD4LOA/
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September 9, 2023 4:18pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Kiwis – we are everywhere
  
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  September 9, 2023 5:43pm
Ghost

maybe being an act candidate isn’t safe, lol

Act Party’s Taranaki King Country candidate, Brent Miles, has withdrawn his candidacy just weeks out from the general election.

Miles, who stood for ACT at the 2020 election, withdrew last week for personal reasons, making him the fifth candidate for the party to pull out in recent weeks.

A party spokesperson told Stuff they would not be making further comment.

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September 9, 2023 4:57pm
- rouppe
  
  Five now. This is not what I’m wanting to see from what I expected to be an influential partner.
  
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  September 9, 2023 7:28pm
  - greybeard
    
    Maybe these defections are the people who liked being part of ACT outside of Government , for reasons of ego, but with the real possibility of becoming MPs and all the responsibility involved they chickened-out.
    
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    September 10, 2023 7:26am
Prince

Any possibility of an Act/Labour alliance ?
We know Labour will do anything to hang on to the Treasury benches. They have no bottom lines. Whatever it takes. Nothing is sacred.
Might be attractive to Seymour.
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