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Luke Piewalker

I’m calling it now.
Labour will be below 20% election day.

That’s your legacy Ardern/Hipkins. Failure.
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September 8, 2023 8:01am
- Ghost
  
  Na, their core base will keep them around or just below 30
  
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  September 8, 2023 9:14am
  - Scooter
    
    I doubt it, now Jacinda’s gone Labour has lost their last remaining fan base, Hipkins just doesn’t cut it.
    
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    September 8, 2023 9:31am
    - Ghost
      
      Labour Scott base will vote for labour no matter who the leader.
      
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      September 8, 2023 10:02am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The rudder fell off.
      
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      September 8, 2023 2:09pm
    - Jim
      
      If there were any farmers left that might vote Labour, Hipkins lost those votes too, as he conflates drug dealing gangs who intimidate the public with legitimate protesting farmers convoys. Confiscate tractors omg is Labour really that stupid!
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132895689/labour-crackdown-on-gangs-can-police-confiscate-tractors-and-is-300-new-cops-enough
      
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      September 8, 2023 6:56pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Ghost, are you basing that comment on what you know from participating in a campaign or what you are seeing/hearing in the media?
    
    Because each is giving the potential for very different outcomes. The ultimate litmus test is go to Wellington and get a taxi ride between the airport & the city and talk to the taxi driver. I can assure you, that is the most accurate way to gauge what is happening.
    
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    September 8, 2023 9:44am
    - Kiwiguy
      
      And what are those taxi drivers saying?
      
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      September 8, 2023 11:44am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Change of govt, and Labour is dead in the water. Also that there a level of anger in people, something that is very recent.
        
        People confide in taxi drivers, whether here or in other centres around the world, and boy do they listen.
        
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        September 8, 2023 11:55am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Agree, there is no way they’ll be as low as < 20%, but I don't think between 25 and 27.5% is unrealistic.
    
    My picks:
    National 42.6%
    ACT 13.2%
    Labour 26.8%
    Green 10.2%
    NZF 3.7% and no electorate
    TPM 2.6% and no electorate
    Remainder – rats and mice.
    
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    September 8, 2023 12:27pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Lodden. I certainly hope you are right.
      
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      September 8, 2023 12:53pm
    - rockape
      
      Y guess had National on 40% and ACT on 15% held that opinion for three years and think it still valid and much in agreement with yours.
      
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      September 8, 2023 4:07pm
    - John Loveridge
      
      You are very precise there.
      
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      September 8, 2023 6:08pm
  - Chris R
    
    Is there still a core base? Given the dissatisfaction with Ardern I suggest the core has now dissipated.
    
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    September 8, 2023 12:36pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      There is, but it is now rather small. An election defeat will be hard for Labour as they will lose all the funds that go to having electorate offices around which to build branch parties. It is very hard, when you don’t have state money, and backers with deep pockets.
      
      Shame, not!!!
      
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      September 8, 2023 1:57pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  That won’t happen. Their rusted on support is about 26 percent IMO.
  
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  September 8, 2023 9:23am
  - RoboRob
    
    Agree, 26% base support sounds about right. The question is will they all turn up to vote? If the polls are bad enough they might not even bother. I can easily see Labour around 19 – 22%
    
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    September 8, 2023 9:46am
    - Kiwiguy
      
      Let’s hope for bad weather on election day. A lot of the left are too lazy to vote if the weather’s bad.
      
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      September 8, 2023 11:45am
  - Local Miller
    
    This is may take as well, somewhere between 24% and 26% but below 20% is very unlikely unless they have a significant number of unhappy voters just not voting.
    
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    September 8, 2023 9:52am
  - Colville
    
    Bene.
    With Angry Andy at the helm they were into low 20’s weren’t they?
    and Angry didnt have the weight of 6 years of failure pushing him down…
    I think they will hit 22%
    
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    September 8, 2023 10:21am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Hmm, Labour were led to 24% by wee Angry Andy in 2017 Ben. And were plummeting. I reckon they could easily get that this year. It’s a damning indictment on those who actually think this current Government are worth saving.
    
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    September 8, 2023 10:22am
    - wsk12345
      
      they have a lot more of the population on the “payroll” now though. Tens of thousands more benes and public servants. Though I suppose that’s only worth 1 percent or so.
      
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      September 8, 2023 11:27am
      - Colville
        
        The type of person who gets a job for the State was a lefty anyway.. they didnt change from being an ACT voter just because they got the job.
        
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        September 8, 2023 11:45am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    I regret looking at a Facebook friends facebook discussion on how they plan to vote, and a lot of middle aged women saying amongst other things that ‘National and ACT will make inequality worse’ (..as in we should all share poverty I guess), and that “changing a government will not help things, even though they are going bad, a new government can’t do better”, that we are ‘doing very well compared to other countries’ (….this is what I call a low-information voter!), and that from a person inside the heath sector, that “Covid could have gone so much worse” (….the lingering effect of Saint Jacinda for Labour).
    
    As I rapidly scroll past the many comments, of this cluster of women all for Labour, my heart sank.
    I know that this is the demographic that support Labour no matter what, but depressing to see I am not many degrees removed from them.
    
    Also made me consider that the days where only men and specifically those that owned property were entitled to vote – that is not perhaps ‘enlightened’ but it has a certain appeal just now.
    Instead, I wonder if there should be some sort of test before people should be able to be part of selecting a government that we all have to endure – articulate a policy of the party you support and their opposition, or state a current metric around health or justice.
    
    Labour has to be obliterated in this election, and there are still too many welded-on supporters (gangs and leeches) and touchy-feely people out there that think than Nats and ACT are big old rick-prick meanies.
    We need adults in charge, in more ways than one.
    
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    September 8, 2023 11:16am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      People driven by their feelings on important matters like this are dangerous. This all stems (no pun intended) from the education system being taken over by women and woke/marxist activists.
      
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      September 8, 2023 7:37pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    If they bother voting.
    
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    September 8, 2023 11:26am
- Gravelroad
  
  A few more bribes to come yet, Luke.
  
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  September 8, 2023 9:53am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Believe it or not, the sheeple have stopped listening, hence the campaign of lies (and even that is not working).
    
    Labour are in big trouble, they will achieve worse than National in 2020, but the result will be the degrees of how far they sink.
    
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    September 8, 2023 11:38am
- kowtow
  
  Mid twenties.
  
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  September 8, 2023 10:32am
- cmm
  
  And Little was on 26% before the Cindy Switch.
  I don’t think Hipkins has the popularity that Little had then.
  Cindy stirred the hormones of a million wimminz who felt they were “just like her”.
  
  There are not enough ginger wingnuts for Hipkins to pull that off. [I’m also a ginger wingnut, but I’ll be voting Act].
  
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  September 8, 2023 1:25pm
- Philview
  
  I had a look at the ODT website this afternoon and on the lead page they have a Latest News story “Hipkins/Greens big winners in new poll” I thought you are kidding and clicked on it and found the headline relates to a March 2023 story. The ODT must be getting desperate!
  
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  September 8, 2023 3:17pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Another one cuts and runs to her natural home. At least this one got handed her arse on a plate by voters first.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/07/sanna-marin-finland-prime-minister-tony-blair-institute
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September 8, 2023 8:01am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Hot Girl Rules. 🙂
  
  I regard all politicians as being useful in the same way that toilet facilities are; you use them and move on. Boris was useful for winning an election and thereby executing Brexit. But that’s it. He has the same depth of belief in civil liberties and freedom that Jacinda Ardern, Joe Biden, Dan Andrews, and a host of others have. That is to say, freedom for them and their friends, not us.
  
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  September 8, 2023 10:17am
- muzled
  
  She’s the same as Jacinda.
  
  All about her brand.
  
  Once the brand starts slipping, it’s time to move on to something else and continue building the brand.
  
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  September 8, 2023 11:57am
Captain Mainwaring

Sharon Murdoch has totally lost the plot this morning.
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September 8, 2023 8:02am
- igm
  
  She is obviously banking on labour winning . . . “Stuff” need taxpayers’ funding to remain in business.
  
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  September 8, 2023 8:05am
- herb1
  
  Has she ever had the plot
  
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  September 8, 2023 8:09am
- pdm
  
  I agree Capt.
  
  She must have been a raving drunk from drinking all of the koolaid.
  
  She sure is dedicated to trying to tank the National vote.
  
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  September 8, 2023 8:16am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Agree. Yesterday’s one (think it was) portraying Mr Bishop as a baby throwing a tantrum was stupid as well.
    These are not funny or perceptive “cartoons”.
    They are propaganda efforts designed to favour a political party during an election campaign.
    Remember when the Green Party’s Elisabeth Kerekere allegedly called another member of her group a cry baby. That was deemed as unacceptable and she moved on.
    Time for $stuff to move on and have the courage to reassess their reasons for allowing one-sided electioneering using “cartoons.”
    
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    September 8, 2023 8:27am
    - than
      
      The day before that it was one calling TPM (along with the Greens) aspirational and the other calling ACT reactionary.
      
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      September 8, 2023 9:06am
- mandk
  
  Agreed. She’s not even coherent.
  
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  September 8, 2023 8:26am
- Prince
  
  Would anyone other than Stuff employ this stable of hard-left cartoonists ?
  
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  September 8, 2023 8:28am
  - pdm
    
    Prince – maybe The Herald.
    
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    September 8, 2023 10:11am
  - kowtow
    
    Recall the so called independent voice of the south , the OTD ,fired the best cartoonist in the country , Tremain ,over woke alleged “race” issue.
    
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    September 8, 2023 10:35am
    - oldfella
      
      @kowtow: Tremain is still churning out his great political cartoons, poking fun at all sides of the political spectrum – right and left.
      They’re available on his own website, and also turn up on several conservative blogs,
      https://garricktremain.nz/cartoons
      
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      September 8, 2023 10:53am
      - kowtow
        
        yer I know .
        
        ty
        
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        September 8, 2023 12:11pm
- Paulus
  
  Only this Morning !
  
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  September 8, 2023 8:30am
- Loddenthinks
  
  She lost the plot a very long time ago. Nasty, bitter, middle-aged cat lady, screaming harpy, rabid lefty etc etc. Best ignored.
  
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  September 8, 2023 9:00am
- Grunter
  
  Who is Sharon Murdoch….? Must be part of the corrupt MSM that some people seem to still be hooked on?
  
  Honestly, I’ve never heard of her.
  
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  September 8, 2023 9:43am
  - Grumpy Silver Haired Female
    
    Me neither but Dr Google tells me she’s a cartoonist. Who knew?
    
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    September 8, 2023 10:03am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Google are wrong Grumpy, Murdoch is a Labour propagandist and is paid by the Herald to be that. That’s about the scope of it. Neither Murdoch or the Herald should be worthy of anyone’s time and no one should ever have to pay for their opinions.
      
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      September 8, 2023 10:24am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Not paid by the Herald. Paid by $tuff.
        
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        September 8, 2023 11:59am
      - cmm
        
        Capn: Paid by us taxpayers!
        
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        September 8, 2023 2:33pm
    - sirknz
      
      She identifies as a cartoonist in much the same way that the NZ young person of the year identifies as a woman.
      
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      September 8, 2023 11:08am
- Ra Henare
  
  While you(KB political tragics) throw hissy fits about Stuff.
  
  YOU ARE NOT THEIR TARGET MARKET!!!
  
  They have decided to target those on the left.
  
  With the costs of running newsmedia increasing without an increase in revenue.
  Media segment.
  
  Stuff (The Post) is Wellington based and Wellington Centric. Think of all the public servants who probably get The Post delivered to their office every day.
  
  So hold off on your vitriol. Its like pisssing in to the wind.
  You only get wet feet.
  
  Save your intellect for something worthwhile.
  Like posting comments with value and reason.
  
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  September 8, 2023 2:31pm
Bridgenag

Death Threats Made to Bobby Kennedy by Eli Lilly Revealed to New Zealander
Eli Lilly told Attorney General Ramsey Clark to get Bobby to back off re-opening the investigation into his brother’s assassination. Or else…

https://open.substack.com/pub/julietbonnay/p/death-threats-made-to-bobby-kennedy?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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September 8, 2023 8:03am
Southern Raider

Nursing Union has jumped the shark big time

Apparently security guards in EDs aren’t needed to stop violent assaults on medical staff

All we need is
– more nurses, and
– nurses stop being racist
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September 8, 2023 8:06am
- rockape
  
  My wife texted her. She made the point that when she has to deal with a drunk gang member or other person off their head on P colour doesn’t matter it’s still a threatening situation for a woman.
  
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  September 8, 2023 9:28am
- RoboRob
  
  I was totally stunned that they thought the reason that most of the problems were with people with brown skin were becuase nurses were racist.
  
  Perhaps less time covering for Labours failures and more time supporting their members?
  
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  September 8, 2023 9:49am
  - kowtow
    
    By the sounds of it they have a very serious case of either conscious or unconscious bias and should be sent on a re education course and they’re also clearly “victim” blaming which is generally a crime committed by misogynists .
    
    More re education required.
    
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    September 8, 2023 10:39am
- pdm
  
  SR – did you hear that woman HDPA interviewed yesterday afternoon?
  
  Nuku I think was the surname cannot remember her title but presumably some sort of unionist.
  
  She sure did the nursing profession no favours whatsoever.
  
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  September 8, 2023 10:14am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Kerri Nuku
    
    https://www.nzno.org.nz/about_us/governance/president_and_kaiwhakahaere
    
    Seems it has been quite a while since she was a nurse on the wards or in E.D.
    
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    September 8, 2023 10:43am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  No Unionist is worth crossing the road to piss on if they are on fire Southern. Unions are just left wing political organisations and should be banned from being able to coerce people into paying fees and from entering any business without management’s express consent. Parasites is another good word to describe them.
  
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  September 8, 2023 10:27am
  - Ian Boag
    
    No Unionist is worth crossing the road to piss on if they are on fire
    
    Senior doctors?
    Radiographers?
    Junior doctors?
    Nurses?
    
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    September 8, 2023 11:13am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Being deliberately disingenuous then Ian? Or have you not figured the difference between being a Unionist and a Union member? Here’s another thought, ban Unions all together. And I bet not one single group of workers would notice the difference, other than in their wallet. Hilariously, the vast majority of Union members are public sector. And guess who their hideous employers are?
      
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      September 8, 2023 12:01pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Whoops, faux pas. By in wallet, read no more Union fees……
        
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        September 8, 2023 12:08pm
      - Jack5
        
        The Law Society has many of the aspects of a (trade) union. So do Chartered Accountants Australia and New Zealand and the NZ Police Association.
        
        If you are going to ban unions, these will have to go, along with the NZ Medical Association and many other groups.
        
        Co-operatives have some characteristics of employee unions, so maybe Fonterra would be in line for the axe, too.
        
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        September 8, 2023 3:46pm
Maggie Pie

WATCH: full screen/ sound up

I’m sure TOVA meant to say…. “$tuffed” 😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1699644587466199244
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September 8, 2023 8:06am
- mogg
  
  If she had meant to say ‘stuffed’, there would be no need for her to say ‘excuse my French’ .
  
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  September 8, 2023 8:17am
- cmm
  
  Let me summarise the next caucus meeting:
  
  “Ok, who’s been talking to Tova?”
  (Silence except a few coughs, sheepy looks)
  “Ok, who hasn’t been talking to Tova?”
  
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  September 8, 2023 8:31am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    😂🤣
    
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    September 8, 2023 8:50am
- ClanMcleod
  
  That’s the first honest thing I’ve heard her utter.
  
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  September 8, 2023 9:20am
  - RoboRob
    
    Shes after Hipkins job.
    
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    September 8, 2023 9:52am
slightlyrighty

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/300966448/former-finnish-prime-minister-sanna-marin-who-was-one-of-europes-youngest-leaders-quits-politics
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September 8, 2023 8:12am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Another WEF Young Global Leader, job done, here’s your 30 pieces of silver. Just like Ardern.
  
  https://www.weforum.org/agenda/authors/sanna-marin
  
  Another conspiracy theory……/s
  
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  September 8, 2023 9:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Pretty sure Ardern got more than 30 pieces of silver.
    
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    September 8, 2023 10:00am
    - RichardX
      
      Steve Otto(North Shore)
      Pretty sure Ardern got more than 30 pieces of silver.
      
      SEPTEMBER 8, 2023 10:00AM
      
      Pretty sure you have no evidence for that.
      
      Just like no evidence for Trump requesting troops twice prior to Jan 6 and Pelosi rejecting the request.
      
      Just like no evidence for Michelle Obama being a man.
      
      Pick any one of them and provide the evidence that convinced you it was true and what it would take to change your mind.
      
      Don’t forget of course that you have already agreed that using “because Trump said so” is insulting to you.
      
      Steve Otto(North Shore)
      ….“Its true because Trump says its true” Oh boy. That is something my Grandson would say. Come on sonny, you can do better than insults.
      MARCH 13, 2023 4:47PM
      
      You may be prepared to believe things without requiring credible evidence but most call that being gullible.
      
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      September 8, 2023 10:38am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Pelosi rejected the Capitol Polices’ request for Troops SIX times.
        https://www.npr.org/2021/01/11/955548910/ex-capitol-police-chief-rebuffs-claims-national-guard-was-never-called-during-riot
        
        As for Trump;
        ‘May 12 (Reuters) – President Donald Trump wanted National Guard troops in Washington to protect his supporters at a Jan. 6 rally that ended with them attacking the U.S. Capitol, leaving five dead, Trump’s former Pentagon chief testified on Wednesday.
        
        Former Acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller told a House of Representatives panel that he spoke with Trump on Jan. 3, three days before the now-former president’s fiery speech that preceded the violence and led to his second impeachment.
        
        According to Miller’s testimony, Trump asked during that meeting whether the District of Columbia’s mayor had requested National Guard troops for Jan. 6, the day Congress was to ratify Joe Biden’s presidential election victory.
        
        Trump told Miller to “fill” the request, the former defense secretary testified. Miller said Trump told him: “Do whatever is necessary to protect demonstrators that were executing their constitutionally protected rights.”
        https://www.reuters.com/world/us/congresswoman-says-trump-administration-botched-capitol-riot-preparations-2021-05-12/
        
        Miller testified this at Congress, so under oath and perjury if he’s lying
        Then there’s General Kellogg, who also testified under oath
        ‘Retired U.S. Army Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg said last week that former President Donald Trump did in fact request National Guard troops be deployed in Washington D.C. before the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. Kellogg said he was present at the time of Trump’s request, and Congress should release his testimony to the public.
        
        Kellogg, who was serving as Vice President Mike Pence’s National Security Advisor at the time of the Jan. 6, 2021 Capitol breach, tweeted last week, “To be clear on 6 Jan/NG. Pg 199 of my book, ‘On 3 Jan the President asked the Def Dept to deploy NG troops’ into DC for J6 contingencies. OK for J6 Cmte to publicly release my full sworn testimony. Release Army Guard and DC Mayor J6 testimonies as well. Would be illuminating.”
        https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/08/gen-kellogg-trump-did-request-natl-guard-troops-on-jan-6th-asks-congress-to-release-his-testimony/
        
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        September 8, 2023 11:36am
      - RichardX
        
        Thanks AOR but that does not support what Otto has claimed.
        
        Otto claimed Trump twice requested troops prior to Jan 6 and Pelosi rejected it both times, also prior to Jan 6.
        
        Kellogg’s sworn testimony does not support the claim he makes in his book or interview.
        
        https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO-J6-TRANSCRIPT-CTRL0000034610/pdf/GPO-J6-TRANSCRIPT-CTRL0000034610.pdf
        
        From page 49
        
        Q Did you ever talk to the President about having National Guard troops at — on standby or available for January 6th?
        
        A No. And the reason I say no is I was thinking rally hard,.. In the entire 5 years, we had never had a need for extra police or National Guard at any rallies we’d had had in 5 years. We never had a single issue with a rally in 5 years. So there was no reason for me to have said that because I had never seen that needed.
        
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        September 8, 2023 11:56am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Try this then Richard. Official timeline of Capitol Police showing Trumps DOD asking whether USCP is considering their request for National Guard. And also, showing Chief of Police Sund making same request and being denied.
        https://docs.google.com/viewerng/viewer?url=https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-06/USCPJan.6Timeline.pdf
        
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        September 8, 2023 12:23pm
      - RichardX
        
        Thanks IVV
        
        Just to be clear, you believe that the Deputy Chief of the Capitol Police stating “that a request for National Guard support is not forthcoming at this time” (Page 4 of the timeline) supports Otto’s claim that Trump requested troops twice prior to Jan 6?
        
        Steve Otto(North Shore)
        CNN told you that?
        Trump did not. He had previously tried to stop it by wanting 20 thousand, then 10 thousand National Guards troops. Pelosi stopped it – she knew.
        
        MARCH 13, 2023 11:08AM
        
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        September 8, 2023 12:59pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Richard, stop just reading the bits you want to. I’ll repeat: Official timeline of Capitol Police showing Trumps DOD asking whether USCP is considering their request for National Guard.
        Now go read the document. I am sure you can find it.
        
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        September 8, 2023 1:20pm
      - RichardX
        
        I suggest you reread the document.
        I should have provided you with more context as you seem unclear on what it contains.
        
        “Carol Corbin (DOD) texts USCP Deputy Chief Sean Gallagher, Protective Services Bureau, to determine whether USCP is considering a request for National Guard soldiers for January 6.”
        
        You seem to believe that this is DOD asking the Capitol Police to respond to a DOD request for troops.
        
        Why would the DOD ask the USCP if they are considering a request for National Guard soldiers if the soldiers had been requested by Trump?
        
        What role would the Capitol Police play in granting a request for soldiers?
        
        Who is making or has made the request for soldiers on Jan 3 according to this timeline?
        
        I read it as DOD checking to see if the Capitol Police are considering making a request to the DOD for troops.
        
        My view is supported by the passage I quoted which was the Deputy Chief replying “that a request for National Guard support is not forthcoming at this time”
        
        But please show me how this supports the claim that Trump requested troops twice before Jan 6?
        
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        September 8, 2023 1:45pm
      - RichardX
        
        Doesn’t anyone want to have a go at defending Otto’s other claims?
        
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        September 8, 2023 1:55pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Steve, don’t feed the annoying troll.
        
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        September 8, 2023 2:12pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        RichardX: “What role would the Capitol Police play in granting a request for soldiers? Who is making or has made the request for soldiers on Jan 3 according to this timeline? I read it as DOD checking to see if the Capitol Police are considering making a request to the DOD for troops.”
        
        So you don’t actually know. Got it.
        
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        September 8, 2023 9:08pm
      - RichardX
        
        Do you understand what a rhetoric question is?
        
        That was a rhetoric question by the way.
        
        Also, you left off the justification I provided for my view.
        
        Give me a reason to believe those entries in the timeline were supporting the claim that Trump requested troops twice and Pelosi refused the request twice, as IVV claimed them to be.
        
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        September 9, 2023 12:19am
    - Ian Boag
      
      Hoe did you get to “know” this Steve?
      
      A secret source? “If I told you I’d have to kill you?” 🙂
      
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      September 8, 2023 11:15am
      - Ghost
        
        A junk website with zero credibility ran it.
        
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        September 8, 2023 11:18am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Stuff.co.nz?
        
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        September 8, 2023 11:52am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        You in a tandem race with that troll?
        
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        September 8, 2023 2:15pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Ghost serious question. Are there a couple of people using your account?
        
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        September 8, 2023 7:49pm
      - Ghost
        
        Only me, but when the histamine is bad I a bit scatter brained
        
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        September 8, 2023 8:11pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Oh yes I get brain fog from strong hayfever. Melbourne gets a horrendous hayfever season at the beginning of summer (ish). I get brain fog from antihistamines as well. Claratyne (Loratadine) seems to work best for me but I still feel a bit weird after a day on it.
        
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        September 8, 2023 8:47pm
      - Ghost
        
        I have histamine intolerance, so my body is constantly in an overload.
        
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        September 8, 2023 8:57pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        This originally started about Ardern getting kickbacks.
        Troll Richard X is way off topic. Annoying person.
        
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        September 9, 2023 8:59am
Tricati

Best, and most accurate, comment on the Herald from Dr Basset in his interview with Plunket.
Comment right at the end where he states ‘the Herald needs an enema’ after a discussion over the CTU attack ad’s on Luxon.
https://theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/michael-bassett-on-bogus-election-coverage
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September 8, 2023 8:14am
Matt Long

Labour continues to fall in every poll, Hipkins’s popularity plummets, he may yet be the most unpopular sitting PM ever.
Expect more media stories about Luxon’s unpopularity from the media party.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-support-for-chris-hipkins-plummets-as-labour-hits-new-low-in-poll/Q23LZE37NJG35NCS2VYHOAKHKI/
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September 8, 2023 8:18am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Can’t really work out which is more entertaining, Labour ‘s desperation or the the MSM’s desperation – even the hard core labour journo’s seem to be turning (or squirming) …
  
  “And fair cop, it’s business time, game on, but right now Hipkins’ campaign game is also getting trounced by a gelato scooping, ice-cream eating, cricket playing, hairnet wearing Christopher Luxon.
  
  And that personable playing field used to be the domain of the artist formerly known as Chippy.”
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300966295/tova-podcast-labour-source-says-partys-internal-polling-is-fed
  
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  September 8, 2023 9:36am
kevn

Maggie… Brill start to my day.
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September 8, 2023 8:18am
cmm

I had a revelation yesterday:

The worst Labour government ever is about to be followed by the worst National government ever.

And why is that? Well political parties don’t really decide their own destiny. They are really moulded by the environment they exist in: voters, international pressures, etc.

This is somewhat refelected in the Overton Window.
The political discourse moves with time and what is “left” or “right” moves because they stay within the window.

Take for example the EV subsidy stuff being discussed yesterday.

No longer is the concept of EV subsidies even up for debate/discussion or even the decarbonising behind it. Both major parties are in lock step that there should be subsidies.

The only haggle is how they should be subsidised – through direct EV subsidies or by subsidising infrastructure.

In this case the EV buyers get to have both: they got the EV direct subsidy under Labour, then they get the subsidised infrastructure under National – while the petroleum fuelled untermensch get to pay for them twice.
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September 8, 2023 8:19am
- Matt Long
  
  It was Bridges introduced the first EV subsidies.
  
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  September 8, 2023 8:29am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    There is nothing wrong with Nz moving sensibly to electric vehicles.
    
    We have the ability to generate more electricity and as technology progresses, reduce our reliance on imported petrol. Reducing the need for petrol will help address our disastrous balance of trade.
    
    Investing in infrastructure is vital to improve productivity and Labour cannot come in and reverse infrastructure.
    
    Thanks to Elon Musk Electric vehicles are much simpler and easier to produce than combustion engines, and major car manufacturers are moving to electric vehicles so it may not be too far in the future when combustion engines are much more expensive than electric.
    
    There are still challenges with batteries and the ability to tow but there is also a lot of money and experts directed at solving the problem.
    
    So the National government rolling out electric vehicle infrastructure makes sense without considering the climate fraud.
    
    The international climate action story, will help our reputation and exporters.
    
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    September 8, 2023 9:02am
    - cmm
      
      “We have the ability to generate more electricity”
      
      We have the ability to talk about it certainly. I’m not seeing much building of dependable electricity though.
      
      “Reducing the need for petrol will help address our disastrous balance of trade.”
      
      Or how about we just access the massive amounts of petroleum reserves we have?
      
      “Thanks to Elon Musk”. No, Elon Musk has done extremely little to make EVs easier to produce.
      
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      September 8, 2023 9:21am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        There is no evidence that New Zealand has massive recoverable oil reserves. Anyway it doesn’t matter. No oil major is going to invest in exploring. Jacinda killed that forever.
        
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        September 8, 2023 9:28am
      - Matt Long
        
        As a fairly simple rule, if a new technology is good, people pick it up fairly smartly. Steam and battery to internal combustion, horse to tractor, copper to wireless, for example.
        If the innovation or status quo is failing, it needs coercion, subsidies or bribes.
        
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        September 8, 2023 9:29am
      - ISeeRed
        
        Elon Musk has done extremely little to make EVs easier to produce.
        
        Most ignorant post of the day. Truly breathtaking in its utter stupidity.
        
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        September 8, 2023 10:04am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Crikey CMM. That is a lot of unsubstantiated negativity.
        
        Here is a bit of reading for you. I can provide more when you’ve finished these.
        
        https://caredge.com/guides/average-price-of-an-electric-car
        
        https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/gigapresses-giant-die-casts-reshaping-car-manufacturing-2023-02-10/
        
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        September 8, 2023 10:11am
      - NothingLeft
        
        @CMM; You can’t really argue that Tesla haven’t been responsible for bringing EV price down and performance up to competitive levels with IC cars, with other manufacturers being forced to play catch-up and make big loses as they try to compete. Tesla have big fat margins that other large manufacturers can only dream of and their manufacturing costs are already competitive with IC cars.
        
        And with 3 more doublings in volume still to happen with EVs (currently ~10% of global car production) manufacturing cost of EVs will likely drop another 30-40% while IC engined cars will start to increase in cost as their volumes decline. Batteries in particular are likely to halve in cost using tech like Sodium ion from CATL and learning curves from steadily increasing manufacturing volumes.
        
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        September 8, 2023 11:41am
      - cmm
        
        Musk and Tesla have made EVs more ubiquitous, but it would be a stretch to claim that they should be called out as the enablers of modern EVs. Musk certainly isn’t the Henry Ford of EVs.
        
        The technical stuff in EVs comes down to 3 major technologies – none of which Tesla/Musk created:
        * cheap and reliable power electronics
        * improved batteries
        * electric motors.
        
        Musk does have a bit of a reality distortion field around him – very much like Steve Jobs.
        
        Both of these individuals have created a cult following that paints them as visionaries who have broken down technical walls.
        
        The reality of their inventions does not match up to the hype.
        
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        September 8, 2023 1:01pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “Thanks to Elon Musk Electric vehicles are much simpler and easier to produce than combustion engines, and major car manufacturers are moving to electric vehicles…”
      
      So why do they cost so much?
      
      As I have commented many times, for most people, buying an EV is stupid. You can buy a highly efficient hybrid vehicle for about half the cost of an equivalent size EV. A hybrid Toyota Yarris gets 1000 km per tank of fuel, for someone with typical driving behaviour.
      
      You are vastly over stating the intentions of car builders. Toyota is massively investing in a new generation of hybrid vehicles.
      
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      September 8, 2023 9:34am
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        This is correct, but infrastructure to support plug-in hybrids is not a terrible idea because prices will reduce as the technology improves and oil prices will keep going up.
        
        However it should be user pays. If you put a price on carbon and also subsidise electric then petrol car users have to pay twice which is unfair even if the National/leftist environmental assertions are true.
        
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        September 8, 2023 9:55am
      - cmm
        
        Nigel: “oil prices will keep going up”
        
        Why? There is no need for them to go up except artificial price controls.
        
        On a more general energy front, we have enough coal in the ground to provide all our energy needs for over 200 years…. JUST IN SOUTHLAND ALONE!
        
        Yes, all: enough for all our transport, TV watching,…
        
        Energy is abundant. The “peak oil” stuff is complete nonsense.
        
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        September 8, 2023 10:04am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Shouldn’t the generation come before the charging station? Our grid struggles regularly when water is in short supply or when all the heat pumps kick in on a cold winter day.
      How will more demand for electric vehicles be met if the increased charging infrastructure encourage a large uptake in EVs on the roads?
      
      ‘The international climate action story’ is as fraudulent as the ‘covid story’ and the policies being implemented to force this upon us are going to be substantially more destructive than the covid policies were.
      Next level madness.
      
      Follow the life of an EV from actual beginning to end. From the digging for the rare earth elements and other raw resources (of limited quantity), to the manufacturing process to the final disposal of all of the component parts. There is not a chance that it is better for the environment than a regular ICE vehicle.
      That is of course, if you believe there is a crisis in the first place, which there isn’t.
      
      Which means we’re repeating the whole ‘Emperor’s New Clothes’ nonsense that we did with covid. Kowtowing to a narrative that is at best, extremely contentious.
      As with covid, where is the free and open debate to ensure there actually is a problem to fix?
      
      “Climate Change” is Turning Our Planet into Hell on Earth
      
      A tongue in cheek headline, it is referring to the fact that like with covid, the RESPONSE to a made up crisis is what is turning the planet into hell on earth.
      
      If this all sounds too familiar, it is. We’ve been through this scenario with 9/11. We’ve been through it with Covid. The minute the government starts talking about a state of emergency is the minute we can expect to start losing more of our freedoms. The amount of tracking and surveillance we are under is becoming absurd. One wonders how much worse it can get. A lot worse.
      
      https://off-guardian.org/2023/08/12/climate-change-is-turning-our-planet-into-hell-on-earth/
      
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      September 8, 2023 9:57am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Clan. National are advocating more generation. They have given generation a special status so it can be fast tracked through resource consent
        
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        September 8, 2023 11:28am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Mark Hanley – but they are announcing 10,000 new charging stations, I’ve heard nothing about planned increases in generation capacity?
        
        ‘Advocating’? Sounds awfully like Ardern’s ‘aspiration’.
        
        It stinks of virtue signaling, never mind the fact the ‘science’ is NOT remotely settled on this issue. Luxon seems to have nailed his colours to this mast which is a major concern to me.
        
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        September 8, 2023 11:39am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Clan. If we just rubbish every policy and label it virtue signaling, how do we then decide to vote for?
        
        My assessment of Luxon is he is extremely clever, he manages teams extremely well, he has identified the weaknesses in the public service and has devised solutions, he has a track record of successful long term change in large organisations, and he has a very strong moral core.
        
        When the whole of kiwiblog was saying how useless Luxon was I want against the grain and pointed our luxons class would bring national electoral success. I was right.
        
        I truly believe Luxon (who sacrificed $millions to enter politics) will be one of our greatest prime Ministers.
        
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        September 8, 2023 12:15pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        And what about bypassing all the “koha for iwi”/SASM/te tiriti grift?
        
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        September 8, 2023 3:34pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Mark Hanley – I’m not trashing Luxon overall. He is undoubtedly a good manager.
        
        I’m specifically talking about ‘climate’ policies that are going to be horrendously expensive and will cause negative outcomes for the vast majority of the population. It is my belief that this will be for zero positive outcome other than virtue signaling to the rest of the world.
        
        Just like with our covid response policies.
        
        Those who are wealthy enough, or the laptop class, those who can afford an 80k new EV will virtue signal and feel smug as they turn on their heat pump and charge their EV.
        
        Those who aren’t wealthy won’t be able to afford petrol and will be forced to use a pathetic public transport system not fit for purpose.
        Those who aren’t wealthy won’t be able to afford to run their heat pumps or pay their horrendous power bills as demand for electricity goes through the roof and prices follow.
        
        Those people will suffer ill health as a result and will die earlier than they should.
        
        Fossil fuels have brought billions out of energy poverty over the last 200 years. They have the potential to improve the lives of millions more.
        
        IF the science around co2 was ‘settled’, then we would be having the discussion about how to implement such policies, but as with covid, the science isn’t remotely ‘settled’.
        
        As with covid, I firmly believe we are being sold an extraordinary lie as part of an agenda that has been evolving for 30 years or more. An agenda from an insane cult that wants to implement a ‘great reset’.
        Arrogant narcissists with far too much money and far too much time on their hands are pushing moronic policies as they play God with the planet and the people living on it.
        
        More to the point, Luxon’s complete advocacy for ‘net zero’ is as delusional as it is irrational. We have plenty of other things to deal with. Until this ‘science’ can be irrefutably proven, we should not be making massive life destroying decisions and implementing policies that will be detrimental to all but the wealthiest.
        
        Same as with covid. Fool me once……
        
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        September 9, 2023 7:59am
    - KH
      
      Fully in favour of the EV rebate thing. It’s a Kickstarter.
      It’s worked, and sensibly the Nat government will finish it.
      
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      September 8, 2023 1:48pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      No worries that most people can’t afford the purchase price of an electric car?
      
      No worries that “net zero 2050” is going to make electricity steadily and increasingly unaffordable?
      
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      September 8, 2023 7:52pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Agree cmm,
  
  We are going from one life raft into another life raft.
  
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  September 8, 2023 8:32am
  - cmm
    
    Life raft is rather generous.
    
    Swimming up a piranha infested river to get away from the sharks.
    
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    September 8, 2023 9:28am
- Simon
  
  “The worst Labour government ever is about to be followed by the worst National government ever.”
  
  To be followed by the worst ever Labo/Gween govt.
  
  The incoming Luxon govt will be utter shite only held in check by Act. What will much worse is when the Nat led govt is replaced in 6 yrs time by Labo/Gweens.
  
  National will do nothing to prevent the utter carnage which will roll out 6 yrs later.
  
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  September 8, 2023 8:32am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Simple Simon met a pieman.
    You know the rest ………….
    
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    September 8, 2023 1:03pm
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Why does a relatively modest subsidy for installation of charger presage “the worst National government ever”?
  
  The intention is that the bulk of the installation cost will be borne by the private sector in a Chorus type rollout of broadband, which had a 50% subsidy.
  
  Chris Luxon may not be to your taste, but there surely can be no doubt he is a highly competent corporate manager. Expect those are skills to be the fore in running government. I have no doubt that he will run a highly efficient government that is very focussed in achieving the targets it sets. He has the track record in doing just that.
  
  Yes, he is more liberal than most kiwibloggers, but that would also be true of about 80% of New Zealanders generally.
  
  I appreciate the most regular posters here are basically Act supporters, but that shouldn’t mean that people can’t discern competence where it exists. In any event Luxon will be the PM and National will have around three quarters of Cabinet positions. It will be imperative that National and Act respect each other if they are to succeed. And I speak as one who worked very closely with an Act Associate Minister (Heather Roy) when I was a Minister. I thought that we made a pretty good team.
  
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  September 8, 2023 8:52am
  - cmm
    
    I only used the subsidies as one example. They in themselves do not make the worst Labour (or National) government ever.
    
    And, as I wrote, this is a natural consequence of the moving Overton Window. Cindy, Chippy and Luxon are only crap because that’s what the voting environment seem to want.
    
    It’s only a “relatively modest” subsidy because you’re taking it out of somebody else’s pocket and, as a politician, you feel the need to blow billions not mere millions on idealogical purposes.
    
    If this is a critical piece of infrastructure for EVs, and the EV-lovers are so committed to their cause then why can’t they pay?
    
    There are around 90,000 EVs and PHEVs in NZ (and growing). If each paid $700 a year then that would cover the $64M a year you find is trivial.
    
    Since you seem to think a Mercedes EV of $100k is a reasonable purchase, what’s the problem adding another $700 a year in operating expenses?
    
    A rich prick that can afford a $100k EV surely doesn’t need the South Auckland family with a second hand people mover paying for their smugness.
    
    Why does the government need to be involved here at all? The EV owners can get together and make an EV club that rolls out these stations (think along the lines of the Caravan clubs that have built caravan camping facilities through NZ).
    
    But no, it seems government always needs to dabble in stuff they could stay out of and make Joe Average pay for their idealogical goals.
    
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    September 8, 2023 9:18am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      A $100k Mercedes EV. If only 😂
      
      The base price for the only EV Mercedes currently on sale in New Zealand is $221,000.
      
      https://www.mercedes-benz.co.nz/passengercars/mercedes-benz-cars/car-configurator.html/motorization/CCci/NZ/en/EQS-KLASSE/LIMOUSINE_LANG
      
      AFAIK, the long range Mercedes EV cited by Wayne Mapp yesterday is as yet unavailable in New Zealand.
      
      $100k gets you a very good, but far from a top end EV.
      
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      September 8, 2023 9:47am
      - cmm
        
        AFAIK the long range Merc that Wayne Mapp talked about is still a “concept car”, so high on hype and low on reality.
        
        Yes the $100k price tag for that would probably be rather low. But who cares: $100k or $200k? It’s just trivial taxpayer money.
        
        Still may as well be $500k for the average NZer.
        
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        September 8, 2023 10:08am
      - Paulus
        
        Did I not read very recently that China will outnumber the Japanese Cars in New Zealand very soon as they have produced some millions of new EV cars that are sitting in warehouses and parking lots throughout China ready to flood the smaller EV car market at lower costs than currently available.
        A couple of new ones announced very recently in our media at considered good lower prices with more variations to follow.
        
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        September 8, 2023 2:07pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      If the government is going to roll out an EV charging network, the financing is simple. Add a levy to the annual registration fee for all EVs sufficient to fund the network.
      
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      September 8, 2023 9:50am
      - cmm
        
        Yup, in addition to RUC.
        
        As you say all rather simple: approx $2k a year for RUC and charging network levy is all rather small potatoes for someone who can afford a $100k+ EV (or even a $60k+ EV).
        
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        September 8, 2023 10:10am
      - NothingLeft
        
        That’s the truth, anyone buying new cars is declaring themselves an ostentatious fashion victim with money to burn. You can get the same vehicular utility with an annual cost of about 1/3rd buying and operating second hand imports.
        
        So clearly new car buyers don’t need subsidies of any sort on their purchases.
        
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        September 8, 2023 11:47am
      - Paulus
        
        Assume that with the charging to be available it will be at normal consumer costs whereas some currently are at no costs.
        
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        September 8, 2023 2:09pm
    - miltonF
      
      With the prices that the EV chargers are getting away with at the moment .75c/kwh, I was actually thinking it could be quite a smart investment. I was even considering investing in one myself.
      
      Is this Luxon’s plan? To have this investment pay itself off over say 10yrs from charging fees? If so, it doesn’t seem that silly in that context.
      
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      September 8, 2023 12:57pm
      - cmm
        
        75c/kwh? Is that what it costs? Wow!
        
        Even at those prices it’s going to be a challenge to make a filling station work.
        
        A petrol filling station has typically 8 to 12 bays (some bigger, some smaller) – let’s just say 10 bays.
        
        In 5 minutes you can process a customer completely: fill them up with $100 of petrol, sell them $20 of cokes and pies etc.. 12 of those per pump per hour.
        Total: $14400 of sales per hour at peak.
        
        At 75 cents/kWh a 120kW charger is going to sell $90 of electricity per hour and serve maybe 3 customers (each buying their $20 of coffee and pies) per hour. So $150 per charger per hour.
        Total sales for 10 chargers: $1500 per hour peak sales.
        
        That’s just not going to make an electric filling station business work.
        
        On top of that, charging takes so long that people need something to do for 20+ minutes.
        
        That really means that electric filling opportunities are probably limited to those chargers we see in mall parking lots, outside restaurants etc.
        
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        September 8, 2023 1:46pm
  - Cassandra
    
    The problem with Luxon and his team, Wayne, is that they don’t stand for anything. I know why – don’t scare the horses – but surely we need to resolve some issues, the ToW in particular, but there are plenty of others or cold Fiji beckons. Boot camps will not make a difference or even work. Tax cuts are not sufficient by themselves. The world is a dangerous place – you know that; where’s the Nat foreign/defence policy? “No, we won’t go to 2%” is not much of a policy.
    
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    September 8, 2023 9:56am
    - Paulus
      
      Under the TOW Maori will not have to pay to charge their electric cars.
      
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      September 8, 2023 2:11pm
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Subsidising rich people to signal their virtue is the problem Wayne
    
    People living in Wainui, Porirua, Otahuhu etc can’t afford electric vehicles even with a stonking subsidy, they often have large families and need reliable cheap vehicles to move the kids, get to sport and get to work.
    
    Its all well and good for people like you Wayne to buy an EV – you have the cash flow for it.
    
    But what pisses me off is taking tax off the poor (via petrol taxes, GST) and using that to subsidise wealthy people into EV’s .
    
    And if EV’s are such a game changer and the future there is zero need to subsidies an EV charging network. Z and other current fuel companies would roll the EV charging stations out if EV’s were the future – as it would leverage their current station footprints.. Why the hell cant governments get out of the way and let the market provide??
    
    What is wrong with National is exactly your style of manage it better while we slide every closer to a one party state attitude – where is the case for markets, individual effort and responsibility being made by the Blue socialists? The hint is its not hence why they are Blue socialists…
    
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    September 8, 2023 9:59am
    - septic skeptic
      
      Yup. Tax “the rich” to feed the poor. Then tax cigs and petrol because the poor do evil things and give that to the rich to do virtuous things. Then tax the rich more…
      
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      September 8, 2023 10:38am
      - kowtow
        
        We’ve also over regulated farmers and made food more expensive for everyone but especially the poor ,and it still won’t make a jot of difference to solar and planetary cycles.
        
        Peak oil is one thing but we still haven’t reached peak stupidity but are hell bent on getting there.
        
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        September 8, 2023 10:46am
- Loddenthinks
  
  To be fair, cmm, you’re helping to perpetuate this BS by using, or repeating words such as “decarbonising” in the wrong context.
  
  Decarbonising has only one meaning: to remove carbon or carbonaceous deposits from (an engine or other metal object).
  
  Given that almost every element on earth contains carbon, it’s the 4th most-abundant element in the universe, and there are approximately 1.85 billion, billion tons of it in the earth’s crust, I’m at a loss to understand how anything or anyone can be “decarbonised”.
  
  We need to call out this egregious BS as soon as we see it, not just criticise the way it’s being done.
  
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  September 8, 2023 9:15am
  - cmm
    
    100% agree. I should have said “decarbonise”.
    
    If we “decarbonise” our economy there won’t be any food:
    * Carbohydrates
    * Protein
    * Fats
    
    All primarily carbon, extracted from the atmosphere and made into food by a marvellous technology called agriculture.
    
    Nor will be be able to build EVs.
    
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    September 8, 2023 9:32am
    - kowtow
      
      Exhaling would also be verbotten.
      
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      September 8, 2023 10:47am
  - rockape
    
    To decarbonise you need t9 dig up all that coal and get rid of it. Burning it would be one idea. Sarc
    
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    September 8, 2023 9:35am
    - rangitoto
      
      We would also have to get rid of all the limestone, marble, travertine etc. All mostly carbonates.
      
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      September 8, 2023 10:35am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Remember I’m collecting all transparent and near-transparent forms of Crystalline Carbon.
        
        You can send all such offending items to me.
        
        I’ll dispose of them in a very caring manner.
        
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        September 8, 2023 1:44pm
  - John Loveridge
    
    It always annoys me that people, especially experts and journalists, say “carbon” when they mean “carbon dioxide”.
    
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    September 8, 2023 6:50pm
- Skippytony
  
  Sadly, you are probably right, but being slightly less shit than the last lot is not a very aspirational starting point. I am hoping they are quietly chuckling as they beaver away in their secret lairs drafting the legislation to be implemented as part of their 100 day plan.
  
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  September 8, 2023 9:23am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    A National-led government is likely to be every bit as shit as Labour, just more efficient at it!
    
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    September 8, 2023 9:40am
  - wairarapapaul
    
    Probably best to wait for the PREFU
    
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    September 8, 2023 12:30pm
- wsk12345
  
  Surely users will have to pay to charge their cars, and that will include an electricity charge and an infrastructure recovery charge? Or have they said it will be a free charging network?
  
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  September 8, 2023 11:52am
Matt Long

Labour flails around with the blatant lies strategy.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-labour-accused-of-desperation-after-being-caught-making-repeated-false-claims-about-national/KR5RYTTIV5DH7GQS7A5WIWMLMA/
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September 8, 2023 8:20am
- kowtow
  
  Ah so , they are accused of desperation .
  
  And here was me thinking and being told since the start of this year by te media pahti to be on guard for “disinformation”.
  
  If some one or indeed an organisation are engaging in disinformation but te media pahti mislabels it desperation , aren’t the media themselves actively engaging in “disinformation”.
  
  Where’s Kate Hannah and Co when you need ’em.
  
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  September 8, 2023 8:33am
  - Matt Long
    
    Hannah and co are working on how to discredit anyone who opposes the regressive agenda.
    
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    September 8, 2023 9:17am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Lol – even Hannah is running for the hills, although it seems she can’t bring herself to be specific about the prime peddlers of the current disinformation rash ….
    
    “Independent research group The Disinformation Project welcomes greater media scrutiny on claims made by candidates ahead of the 2023 General Election.
    
    Kate Hannah, Founder and Director of the Project, says that it’s important that politicians provide accurate information to New Zealanders when disinformation is at an all-time high.”
    
    https://thedisinfoproject.org/2023/09/07/media-release-the-disinformation-project-welcomes-greater-media-scrutiny-on-claims-by-politicians/
    
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    September 8, 2023 10:21am
    - John Loveridge
      
      Anything but independent. And very aptly named, given the propaganda they peddle.
      
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      September 8, 2023 6:53pm
Loddenthinks

“Labour has been caught out claiming National would cut free public transport for disabled people, despite never providing that support in the first place.”

No, Labour has been caught out lying, making sh*t up, making out they’re the good guys, and pretending New Zealanders will be victims of nasty uncaring Nats.

Labour also lied about Total Mobility users being eligible for half-price public transport, despite wrongly claiming that was the case in Budget documents.

$1uffed helpfully displayed the lying attack ad in the article, with very small fine print in a grey font underneath mentioning the advert, and no mention it was false.

“The ~~blunder~~ pack of lies comes after several Labour MPs made ~~incorrect statements~~ up more lies about what National and ACT have planned for after the election.

In a debate in Auckland on Tuesday night, a fired-up Willie Jackson ~~wrongly claimed~~ lied yet again, stating a National-ACT coalition would “get rid of the minimum wage”.

After objection from National’s Paul Goldsmith, Jackson said the parties were “selfish” and would lower the minimum wage.

Senior MP Andrew Little was also asked to remove a Facebook post after ~~making the hyperbolic claim~~ lying through his yellow teeth that National and ACT would “flog off the schools and sack all the teachers”.

A newsletter sent by Labour’s Christchurch central candidate Duncan Webb also ~~claimed~~ lied that Matariki would be abolished and 10-days sick leave was at risk – but National has committed to keep both.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300966386/labour-removes-false-advertising-over-public-transport-for-disabled-people

Open and transparent, and definitely not negative. Got it.
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September 8, 2023 8:25am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  O Lodden. You know very well that those policies were single handedly created by that lovely Jacinda.
  
  Now that she’s gone, those wretched Labour males are spoiling everything.
  
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  September 8, 2023 8:29am
- bjools
  
  “flog off the schools and sack all the teachers”.
  I seem to remember, it was Mallard that closed schools and flogged off the land.
  My old primary school, Brentwood school in Trentham, sold to a housing developer.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/mallard-calls-halt-to-school-closures/V6EBDIK4DO6CKCU4W6AJVIDWZY/
  From the article
  “Mr Mallard yesterday announced a five-year moratorium on his programme of school reviews, which began in 2000. Cabinet papers had indicated that the programme would last 10 years, and affect 1000 schools.”
  
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  September 8, 2023 8:48am
- Littletramp
  
  I must be a bit slow off the mark.
  Why would getting rid of the recently introduced Matariki public holiday be a bad thing?
  
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  September 8, 2023 9:53am
kevn

labour losers are getting desperate. Any lies will do.
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September 8, 2023 8:26am
- bjools
  
  They lie when it isn’t “needed”.
  That’s makes their behaviour….PATHOLOGICAL.
  
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  September 8, 2023 8:50am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Given the HePuapua shenanigans they need to be watched very carefully, lest there be more cunning stunts, but with the election itself.
  
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  September 8, 2023 7:57pm
kevn

Hat tip Maggie… Too important to miss.
https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1699644587466199244
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September 8, 2023 8:28am
Opie

Ill save you havimg to click a stuff link…

Tova interviewed hipkins yesterday. While most of it was a thinly disguised attack on luxon, she did rip into hipkins a little bit.

T: I have heard from sources within your caucus, describing your internal polling as “fucked” and that senior staff and even ministers are already looking for new jobs…

H: stutter stutter umm well no one has said anything to me.

T: Are you below 30.

H: Some days.

T: Isn’t that then an accurate description?

Classic

Then she said he has changed and is now sounding like ardern. Talking lots but saying nothing.

The final point is interesting to me. It means the media knew they were getting played by ardern but were paid off to keep running the narrative.
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September 8, 2023 8:32am
- kevn
  
  Opie… But you miss the look on hipkins face during that exchange. Priceless.
  
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  September 8, 2023 9:45am
- Loddenthinks
  
  They did it willingly, knowing they were being lied to, and lying to us. $1uffed seem desperate to get clicks by pushing Tova this, Tova that, everywhere you turn.
  
  I’m also desperate – to not prove them right to pin all their hopes on her, so I won’t be clicking any time soon.
  
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  September 8, 2023 9:53am
  - John Loveridge
    
    Stuff pushing Tova is comparable to Newshub’s constant promotion of the truly odious Patrick Gower.
    
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    September 8, 2023 7:00pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I am having a huge problem. I can open Kiwiblog, but some posts just won’t open. General Debate took over 1 1/2 minutes to open.
Good laptop, good wifi, good login.
Anyone else or is it just me?

[Mod – we are aware of some issues, sorry]
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September 8, 2023 8:42am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’ve been having the same problem for the last couple of days.
  
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  September 8, 2023 8:43am
  - Biscuit
    
    My evil ‘Piss Steve and Maggie Off’ plan is working!
    
    Score!
    
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    September 8, 2023 8:47am
    - pdm
      
      Look out a Scouser saboteur is lurking on Kiwiblog.
      
      Be careful this man has many other pseudonyms in his tool box. lol.
      
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      September 8, 2023 9:03am
      - Biscuit
        
        Sniff, pdm!
        
        I am a unipseudonymed individual!
        
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        September 8, 2023 12:49pm
  - andrew davies
    
    Yep, me also.
    
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    September 8, 2023 8:48am
- Rusty
  
  @Steve,
  
  I have trouble logging onto KB all the time but I thought it was because I have a cheapo laptop.
  
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  September 8, 2023 8:48am
- cmm
  
  Yup everyone’s getting that problem.
  
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  September 8, 2023 8:52am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    It varies. But frequently very slow.
    
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    September 8, 2023 9:54am
- kevn
  
  SteveO… Big traffic?
  
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  September 8, 2023 8:54am
- Swifty
  
  Yes, me too.
  
  Slow as a wet week.
  
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  September 8, 2023 8:56am
- emmess
  
  There was a post by DPF about Kiwiblog having database issues a month ago
  Obviously has not fully resolved the problem, yet
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/08/slow_kiwiblog.html
  
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  September 8, 2023 8:57am
- alex Masterley
  
  I am across the ditch in Melbourne. No issues here.
  While I am here I am hearing the same sort of complaints about cost of living, crime, access to health, worker shortages. Same shit different country.
  Still off the the “G” for tonight’s semi final.
  
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  September 8, 2023 9:05am
  - Skippytony
    
    Go the Swans!
    
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    September 8, 2023 1:14pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Yes like NZ, Victoria is run by dodgy woke dropkicks. I guess when the economy has totally crashed and the rats who caused it all disappear into thin air, then the sheeple might think about growing up.
    
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    September 8, 2023 7:16pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Maybe after 20 years the Kiwiblog server is just worn out? I just don’t know.
  Seems to have settled a bit now.
  
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  September 8, 2023 9:37am
  - Biscuit
    
    Steve, the next big promise from Loo-da-Kris:
    
    A new server for Kiwiblog
    
    Mind, there’d be a well-hidden caveat that this is dependent on DPF stepping down and
    ‘a more impartial proprietor’ takes over the joint.
    
    I hear Robbo may be free after October 14…
    
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    September 8, 2023 10:12am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Been very slow for me too
  
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  September 8, 2023 9:46am
- Loddenthinks
  
  It’s because of the surveillance and intercepting software they’ve secretly installed on your devices. Wrap your phone and laptop in exactly 2 (two) layers of tinfoil and you’ll be right as rain.
  
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  September 8, 2023 9:55am
- rouppe
  
  There was that database migration or something the other week.
  
  I think the database isn’t performing
  
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  September 8, 2023 9:55am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Cheers Mod.
  
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  September 8, 2023 10:45am
- thirteenstars
  
  Chrome has the issue. Firefox and Edge load fine.
  
  The devs need to look for a bad script that’s giving Chrome a hard time during page load.
  
  There’s lots of errors in the javascript console so start there.
  
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  September 8, 2023 11:06am
  - Ghost
    
    Edge, Samsung Internet and safari all having issues for me
    
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    September 8, 2023 11:24am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      I’m running Brave with a jitless command added to it’s desktop shortcut (extra crap-blocking). Working OK.
      
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      September 8, 2023 8:01pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Where do failed PMs go?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finlands-ex-pm-marin-join-blair-think-tank-leave-parliament-2023-09-07/
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September 8, 2023 8:53am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Will she be joined by Princess Fairy Dust???
  
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  September 8, 2023 8:59am
- ClanMcleod
  
  There’s a pattern of WEF globalist shills being amply rewarded for their betrayal of their people.
  
  Ardern gets her cruisy gig at Harvard and no doubt the UN will be lining something up for next year, Bloomfield straight off to his masters at the WHO.
  What will Hipkins get once he is rolled as PM after the crushing defeat he is leading the Labour Party to at the election?
  Is he just a sacrifice? Poor lad, he got the ultimate hospital pass from Ardern and was too stupid to see it for what it was.
  
  Between fits of laughter I almost feel sorry for him. Almost.
  
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  September 8, 2023 9:01am
  - kowtow
    
    The uniparty might give him a plum ambassadorship somewhere .
    
    Quite a long list of them.
    
    All the world’s a stage and us poor taxpayers are footing the bill for their play acting at being our “representatives”.
    
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    September 8, 2023 9:20am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He gets the satisfaction of the media saying “Former New Zealand Prime Minister Chris Hipkins” is blah blah blah word soup waffle.
    
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    September 8, 2023 9:45am
- I remember when
  
  Wikipedia:
  Blair launched the Institute as a “new policy platform to refill the wide open spaces in the middle of politics” aimed at combating a “frightening authoritarian populism” that he says is undermining the West’s belief in democracy.
  
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  September 8, 2023 9:16am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Love the irony, when Blair and those that are joining his “think tank” have played starring roles in the trend that sees the erosion of belief in democracy in each of their respective countries’.
    
    Blair’s role in the erosion of belief in democracy is legendary. Like his prodegy Jacinda, he was an expert in lying, deception and abuse of parliament. Best remembered for the doggy dossier used to convince the UK parliament authorising the second Gulf war in Iraq.
    
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    September 8, 2023 11:21am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Hullkiwi
      
      She was also working for him when they were desperate to suppress the media coverage of the Rotherham rape gangs.
      
      Girls can do anything.
      
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      September 8, 2023 12:26pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        I remember. Rotherham, the town (city by NZ standards) where the media would go regularly to find examples of “Broken Britain”
        
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        September 8, 2023 4:24pm
I remember when

Even when they have to admit their candidates told lies they can’t quite tell the truth.
In a session that equated Labour lies with National
‘s supposed hole in their Tax policy.
One Party was telling lies about the other’s policies while the other isn’t revealing all of the details. Not quite the same thing.
Bob Harvey on Newshub:
“People went to Wellington to destroy democracy, to storm Parliament.”
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September 8, 2023 8:56am
Maggie Pie

Clearly, Marama has never read the ‘Road Code’.

This should dispel any doubt that the silly bitch DELIBERATELY stepped out onto a pedestrian crossing, camera held high, actually WANTING to be hit by passing motorcyclists.

https://twitter.com/TumaiTawhiti/status/1699632599982129257

WATCH @ full noise 😎
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September 8, 2023 9:00am
- Matt Long
  
  There seems to be a lack of road marking that would indicate a pedestrian crossing?
  
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  September 8, 2023 9:05am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    >>> Black & White pole with yellow light.
    >>> Zebra stripes.
    
    You might need to go to Specsavers Matty? 😎
    
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    September 8, 2023 9:31am
    - Matt Long
      
      I do! My appointment seems stuck on the interweb.
      This video has a bit more detail than the one I saw yesterday.
      
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      September 8, 2023 9:57am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Did she think she was Moses and parting the Red Sea??? Stupid woman.
      
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      September 8, 2023 10:10am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    It doesn’t matter if it was a pedestrian crossing. The law does not allow a pedestrian to jump in front of a rapidly approaching vehicle. She jumped out and stopped in the middle of the road.
    
    She is lucky she wasn’t killed.
    
    And IIRC she blamed KJK.
    
    Reminds me. Only 12 days until the she returns to Auckland. You would think that the potential riot is on the radar of the police, but who knows?
    
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    September 8, 2023 10:04am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      BY – exactly.
      
      Pedestrian crossings
      
      Don’t step out suddenly onto a pedestrian crossing if any vehicles are so close to the crossing that they can’t stop.
      
      Courtesy Crossings
      
      Courtesy crossings aren’t official pedestrian crossings. They’re a place where drivers can stop safely to allow pedestrians to cross. However, drivers don’t have to stop at courtesy crossings, so use them with care.
      
      This was neither. The traffic was flowing rapidly. She acted in a dangerous manner.
      
      She should be arrested and charged with reckless behaviour that could have caused a serious accident.
      
      Maybe I’m being a misogynist racist?
      
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      September 8, 2023 10:18am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      KJK. The Police will do their job this time. Hiding around the corner to help TV3 make news is not now an option. The idea is to separate the public from the protesting transistors. Where is that Lal bloke this time?
      Still have not found out who was holding them back.
      
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      September 8, 2023 11:14am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    White roadmarking is very faded. Council or Waka Kotahi responsible?
    
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    September 8, 2023 10:58am
  - Ehlana
    
    The road markings are there, but not very visible in this shot.
    
    It appears she walked onto the crossing while a stream of traffic was passing over it. I thought you were supposed to stop and wait for the vehicles between you and the diamond to pass and for any vehicles after those to slow down and stop for you.
    
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    September 8, 2023 3:13pm
- Yabster
  
  another lying lefty- anyone surprised? I am sure the MSM will be all over that footage just like they were with Shaw another liar claiming he had a degree from VUW- as another poster questioned how you do a Masters (Bath Uni) without a degree is a little puzzling….
  
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  September 8, 2023 9:10am
  - kowtow
    
    If it’s available have a listen to the Country , yesterday he explained how .
    Seems the masters was awarded on the basis of work experience or some such.
    
    Still sounds dodgy.
    
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    September 8, 2023 9:24am
- 7kiwi11
  
  She thought she was going to pull a Gandalph “you shall not pass” moment there. Didn’t quite work out though.
  
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  September 8, 2023 9:12am
  - Cassandra
    
    Gandalf? It’s General Robert Nivelle in WWI or more famously La Passionara in the Spanish Civil War: No pasarán!
    
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    September 8, 2023 10:26am
    - kowtow
      
      She was a communist too.
      
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      September 8, 2023 2:14pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Was this a case where the cops had allowed a convoy of motor cyclists to travel through…and Marama Davidson foolishly stepped into their path?
  
  It really is time for the cops to explain what was going on.
  
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  September 8, 2023 9:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They saw “nufink” Hiding around the other corner!
    
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    September 8, 2023 11:17am
  - Ehlana
    
    From memory, the bikes arrived in a group, stopped at the pedestrian crossing while their leader (I suppose) did an interview with someone, then rode off.
    
    There were a lot of them and it took a while for them all to go. Looks like Marama stepped out as they were riding past. Pretty silly thing to do really.
    
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    September 8, 2023 4:10pm
- kowtow
  
  Crimes Act 1961
  
  ‘270Endangering transport
  (1)
  Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 14 years who, with intent to cause danger to persons or property or with reckless disregard for the safety of persons or property,—
  (a)
  interferes with any transport facility; or
  (b)
  does anything to any transport facility that is likely to cause danger to persons or property.
  (2)
  For the purposes of this section, transport facility means any vehicle, ship, or aircraft, and any property used in connection with the transportation of persons or goods; and includes equipment of any kind used in navigation or for the guidance of any vehicle, ship, or aircraft.’
  
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  September 8, 2023 12:42pm
- Raphael
  
  In the rather blurry first frame, it looks like the bikes are already past the diamond on the road. IF so they have the right of way as that diamond is the safe stopping distance.
  
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  September 8, 2023 2:18pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  It appears she stepped out about one or maybe two metres onto the road and pointed her phone at motorbikes coming towards her. Possibly miscalculated they had room to go around her.
  
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  September 8, 2023 7:21pm
kowtow

From newshub ;

‘Sensing Murder psychic Kelvin Cruickshank claims he is “pretty livid” and has had to cancel a series of shows in the South Island after a fellow medium allegedly placed a ban on shows being performed in the same city for six weeks either side of their performance.

In a video uploaded to Facebook, Cruickshank said he was “gutted, just gutted” to have cancelled his proposed tour dates for Blenheim, Nelson, Motueka, Westport, Greymouth and Hokitika.’

When contacted by kowtow news for comment he stated ;

“I didn’t see that coming”.
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September 8, 2023 9:02am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Reminds me of the old sign saying:
  
  ‘This Friday’s conference for clairvoyants has been cancelled due to unforeseen circumstances.’
  
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  September 8, 2023 10:22am
- Ehlana
  
  How can another medium place a ban on shows being performed in the same city for six weeks either side of their performance?
  
  Commerce Commission should look into that as an attempt to stop competition.
  
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  September 8, 2023 4:12pm
  - John Loveridge
    
    She waved a bone at him.
    
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    September 8, 2023 7:07pm
  - Ghost
    
    I would expect it is common and he does it when he books venues. Places would prefer a full house rather than two events close together not filling up.
    
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    September 8, 2023 7:17pm
I remember when

Tonga’s volcanic eruption caused fastest-ever underwater flow: Newshub.
“Niwa marine geologist Kevin MacKay said,
“With atmospheric pressure waves circling the globe multiple times, and it being the largest atmospheric explosion on Earth, in over 100 years…”

“A huge number of the world’s volcanoes lie under the ocean, yet only a handful of those are monitored,” Dr Isobel Yeo, UK’s National Oceanography Centre.

So much to learn, so little knowledge.
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September 8, 2023 9:02am
- Raphael
  
  but the SCIENCE IS SETTLED donchakniw can’t question anything if it’s settled.
  
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  September 8, 2023 2:19pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    True scientists don’t question or probe. Only deniers do that! /
    
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    September 8, 2023 8:04pm
Matt Long

NZ out performs against the world in another graphic, this time renters who pay more than 40% of their income on rent.
https://twitter.com/bernardchickey/status/1699629757799997580
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September 8, 2023 9:07am
- thirteenstars
  
  Kind of mirrors the many mortgage holders who now pay 50% of their incomes every month to avoid the dreaded letter from the bank.
  
  Both are horrible stats. A shameful failure in a country with so much land and so few people. A government-made disaster driven by a corrupt ideology.
  
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  September 8, 2023 11:29am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Let them purchase $70,000 electric cars!
  
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  September 8, 2023 8:05pm
Tricati

News out today that the Christchurch 24 Hour Medical Centre is reducing its hours and closing between 10pm and 8am due to staff shortages for the foreseeable future. Not a word from, Duncan Webb, Megan Woods, Tracey McLellan, Sarah Pallett or Poto Williams; all Labour MP’s in Christchurch electorates and all have gone missing on this issue.
Christchurch people need to remember this when they come to vote.
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September 8, 2023 9:09am
- Vinicius
  
  The 24 Hour Medical Centre is in Duncan Webb’s electorate Christchurch Central (also my electorate).
  
  Mr Webb has been very anonymous for the last 3 years and as an MP is a waste of space. I doubt he will have anything to say about this.
  
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  September 8, 2023 9:52am
  - John Loveridge
    
    So has Megan Woods in my electorate just next door.
    
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    September 8, 2023 7:09pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Shame. I’ve been there three times in the last 2 years. Always got looked after. I’ll need to ensure I injure myself during business hours 😳
  
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  September 8, 2023 10:10am
Scooter

Danny Masterson of That 70s Show has been jailed for 30 years for rapes of 2 women. Abit ott I thought but makes NZ look like a finishing school for criminals or at least a tourist destination, after all most get a wet bus ticket here.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/entertainment/that-70s-show-actor-danny-masterson-gets-30-years-to-life-in-prison-for-rapes-of-2-women/
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September 8, 2023 9:19am
- thirteenstars
  
  That’s a shocker. Great show for all of us who were in that same teenage milieu in the late 70s.
  
  Ignoble end. You have to take the verdict as rendered but the whole #metoo thing combined with the Scientology angle, coupled with the cultural mess we currently endure, well, you wonder if it was all as portrayed.
  
  He’ll be a senior citizen when he gets out.
  
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  September 8, 2023 11:37am
- John Loveridge
  
  He would have got something like 10 months home D here, with a complimentary roll of tin foil for his ankle bracelet.
  
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  September 8, 2023 7:10pm
Ghost

Meanwhile in NZ home detention is popular for rapists

A judge has sentenced That ’70s Show star Danny Masterson to 30 years to life in prison for raping two women two decades ago.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Charlaine F Olmedo handed down the sentence to the 47-year-old Masterson after hearing statements from the women about the trauma they experienced and the suffering caused by the disturbing memories in the years since.

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September 8, 2023 9:27am
- Blog-aholic
  
  In NZ he’d only need two more things to get home D. Rape another couple and a cultural report……
  
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  September 8, 2023 9:33am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I hear the NZ Monopoly edition is changing the name of the ‘Get Out of Jail Free Card’ to ‘Cultural Report’ in an attempt to move with the times…..
    
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    September 8, 2023 10:29am
    - thirteenstars
      
      Do not pass Go, do not get a $200 koha.
      
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      September 8, 2023 11:38am
- Libertarians are right
  
  It’s a scientology attack.
  They don’t care about punishing rapists, just people that believe in stupid ideologies that are different to their stupid ideologies.
  
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  September 8, 2023 10:16am
Ghost

This has to be a joke, maybe it’s April fools day?

NZ Police unveil new electric car in celebration of ethnic diversity

The NZ Police have unveiled a new ethnic services team community car, a fully electric Hyundai Ioniq 5, wrapped in greetings from 75 different languages.

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September 8, 2023 9:29am
- kevn
  
  pfft… it’s only (wasting more) taxpayers money. But look at us, full of virtue signals.
  How cool…
  
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  September 8, 2023 9:47am
  - kowtow
    
    The new Firearms Safety Authority is having a blast with out money too.
    
    https://www.thedailyexaminer.co.nz/brand-spend-blowout-by-new-firearms-regulator/
    
    And wtf could this be ;
    
    ‘That an additional cost for this brand development is possible if a “specialist in Maori design” is required;’
    
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    September 8, 2023 10:23am
    - Martonman
      
      Imagine turning up to my place in highly visible distinctive uniform advertising to all and sundry that the home owner is a gun holder when coming to inspect my gun safe!!
      
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      September 8, 2023 3:41pm
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Agree on the wasting bit kevn – but I think it might actually be their latest “mufti ” design 🙂
    
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    September 8, 2023 10:48am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Same thing happening in the UK.
  Weak leadership and woke attitude from the top.
  
  Expect to see a lot more of this behaviour…
  
  https://twitter.com/rj_abel/status/1699490083290660981
  
  You really have to feel for the good Cops out there.
  RESPECT is now a thing of the past 🙁
  
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  September 8, 2023 9:56am
  - kowtow
    
    MP
    
    In Northern Ireland a senior Catholic policeman has told his junior co religionists that they can go to Mass with pistols if it makes them feel safer .
    
    This after a massive data leak.
    
    Couple of points ;
    
    Catholics unsafe at the hands of their co religionists ( many Royal Irish Constabulary men were murdered coming from Church in the early 1920’s)
    
    No data is “safe” in the hands of authority , no matter how sensitive .
    
    How’s that gun register getting on here ?
    
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    September 8, 2023 10:57am
- Burtland
  
  new clown mobile for coster 🤡
  
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  September 8, 2023 10:36am
- thirteenstars
  
  There’s your problem right there.
  
  Can’t wait to see that clown car escorting a Mongrel Mob funeral procession. It won’t even be ironic.
  
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  September 8, 2023 11:42am
I remember when

Just had a quick look at the political cartoons for the last nine days.
There were two that included both leaders, one probably positive for National.
Two that were about Labour, one probably positive.
Five that featured National.
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September 8, 2023 9:35am
- kevn
  
  I rem… Do you include Garrick Tremains almost daily offering in your research?
  
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  September 8, 2023 10:41am
  - I remember when
    
    Obviously not.
    
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    September 8, 2023 11:13am
Warren

For all you Act Supporters out there Lloyd Burr is on the bus of David Seymour and Act so you watch the hate mail about Chris Luxon pour out to try and help the Act Party get the vote from National to give them more recognition when talks do commence on how the Coalition will look if the two parties win the 2023 General Election.
You have to remember Jenna Lynch
Partner is also Chief of Staff in the Act Party.
Down tick me as much as you want because David Seymour runs with the hares and hunts with the hounds in Politics especially when there is something in it for him.
Just remember the deal he did with Winston Peter’s to get the Euthanasia Referendum. 88
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September 8, 2023 9:38am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I don’t understand any of that.
  
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  September 8, 2023 10:14am
  - Warren
    
    Couldn’t give a shit if you don’t maybe you spend to much time fawning over David and trying discredit Luxon like you did the other day over fuel.
    
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    September 8, 2023 10:27am
    - thirteenstars
      
      Jesus, why don’t you tell us how you really feel.
      
      ACT “stealing” more National votes, is that right?
      
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      September 8, 2023 11:45am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      What is it with the hyper-sensitive tribal National supporters on here?
      Just because someone comments on a stumble or a policy that they don’t agree with, it seems that ‘Unless you are 100% for us, then you must be against us’.
      
      Neither National nor ACT people or policies would be free from criticism all of the time. Nobody and nothing is perfect.
      Save the puritanism, blind support and tribalism for the Woke
      
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      September 8, 2023 1:11pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Fuzz,
        
        Well said.
        
        There seems to be a pile on if a comment doesn’t fit.
        
        Be aware that we have had six years of this practice by the left and sometimes it crossed the line to fascism.
        
        If we don’t tolerate free expression then we will be no better.
        
        Put up a counterargument instead of clutching ones pearls if possible.
        
        Tell the commenter why you think they are wrong.
        
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        September 8, 2023 7:18pm
      - Ghost
        
        What is it with the hyper sensitive act voters that come in and constantly do exactly the same. Both sides seem to forget that they need each other to form a government, but there is a toxicity from a few on both sides.
        
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        September 8, 2023 7:21pm
  - nathie
    
    BY – Warren is referring to this:
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/09/election-2023-watch-lloyd-burr-quiz-act-candidates-aboard-big-pinky.html
    
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    September 8, 2023 10:55am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I still don’t know what he is trying to say.
      
      “For all you Act Supporters out there Lloyd Burr is on the bus of David Seymour and Act so you watch the hate mail about Chris Luxon pour out to try and help the Act Party…”
      
      What?
      
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      September 8, 2023 1:20pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Dude, you’re not helping National’s case.
  
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  September 8, 2023 10:19am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Oh, I say let him have at it. God knows he’s only exhibiting the belief that many Nat stalwarts have, that ACT is not legitimate because it “steals” the votes which are National’s by right.
    
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    September 8, 2023 11:49am
  - Colville
    
    I was thinking he had been sitting in the airport lounge for a couple of hours sucking down the “free” beersies??
    
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    September 8, 2023 11:52am
Local Miller

Is anyone else having an issue with Kiwiblog not replicating out to cached web hosts?
Not for the first time, but yesterday’s 3:00 PM post about the Select Committee make up didn’t appear in my browser when I went on line last night to see what was new. It only showed for me when I went on line this morning.
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September 8, 2023 9:49am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Is anyone else having an issue with Kiwiblog not replicating out to cached web hosts?”
  
  I may have an issue but I don’t know what that means. 🤡
  
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  September 8, 2023 10:16am
- Inandout
  
  LM, no issues there, just really slow at times. almost dial up speed.
  
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  September 8, 2023 10:20am
- Raphael
  
  I think our host needs to remember to feed the hamsters that power the site.
  
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  September 8, 2023 2:22pm
Bobba Fret

We all knew that Labour are desperate to retain power, and that this was going to be a dirty campaign. But the amount of dis-information, or the number of times they have spread lies so openly about what National would do I find staggering. It has clearly been done on purpose, and even though Hipkins ‘has a stern talking to’ his people afterwards, he knows the damage has been done. There needs to be consequences / punishments for lying about another party, isn’t that libel or slander?
But that’s the thing with this government, there is no accountability for anything. Always someone else’s fault (change who is in charge of portfolios so often).
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September 8, 2023 9:52am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Almost like they coordinated with the CTU on the “National are too risky” position.
  Just like how they didn’t coordinate with Hager over “Dirty Politics” and “Vote Positive”.
  
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  September 8, 2023 10:20am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
” now in the classics curriculum you have to compare Roman culture to Maori culture”
This is not education, this is Maori pushing ideology.
Teacher ripping Stop Co-Governance booklet in half? That is damage to personal property. That Teacher should be sacked!

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/latest-accusation-julian-batchelor-is-a-treaty-of-waitangi-conspiracy-theorist/
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September 8, 2023 9:54am
- thirteenstars
  
  I support Batchelor’s crusade but…
  
  I am are absolutely fed up with the near abolishing of any culture that isn’t Maori in our schools.
  
  In fact I’m so upset with my subjects for next year because I’ve chosen classics (Roman history) to get away from the bull crap and would you believe it now in the classics curriculum you have to compare Roman culture to Maori culture 🙄.
  
  Anyways thanks again Julian And The Stop Co-governance term, for making our voices heard.
  
  …the text of the email from a 14-year-old seems awfully, hmm, mature in its tone.
  
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  September 8, 2023 11:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is the second one from a high school kid. The first the other day was as you say, mature. Who knows? They might be just bright kids who ignore the marxist bullshit.
    
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    September 8, 2023 2:22pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Maori versus a Roman Legion, wonder who would win???
  
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  September 8, 2023 1:08pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    The ones armed with the steel weapons, the steel body armour (chain and lorica segmentata) and shields, light cavalry, field artillery (ballista & onagers), slings, and other infantry missile weapons (javelins and darts) under the command of officers and made of professionals fighting as a unit, and not as individuals.
    Tribal people, and force made up of heroic warriors, of the type of Maori were defeated many times by the Romans of the Republican and early Imperial period.
    Only 1 small village of indomitable Gauls eversuccessfully hold them off…..
    
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    September 8, 2023 1:19pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Not steel weapons – Romans never got to make steel. They used bronze. They may have been involved in the early Iron age – I’ll check.
      
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      September 8, 2023 1:58pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Correction Romans did have iron, but not steel.
        
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        September 8, 2023 2:05pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Iron just needs a bit of air added Don. Bessemer.
        
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        September 8, 2023 2:31pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Hi Don,
        they had steel, for sure, as in worked blades where the amount of carbon mix to iron was based on hand forging (hammer to remove impurities): their control of the process would not compare to modern methods and understanding {science} though, and the earliest iron/steel blades are not superior to the best bronze.
        Low carbon steel – wrought iron/flexible, might have more carbon introduced to create mid-carbon steel, which is a compromise for weapons; high carbon being hard, but brittle.
        
        Iron and steel (iron plus carbon) is a spectrum when talking of ancient technologies.
        In the West, it was primarily hand working (including work hardening of bronze, and shaping) and then there was casting of iron (high carbon steel) in Ancient China – for tools and initial blanks, but Chinese never had work hardened bronze due to using lead in their casting technology.
        
        Here is a paper on steel (clarifying low-mid-high carbon) working in ancient Rome and Greece.
        http://dtrinkle.matse.illinois.edu/MatSE584/articles/steel_greece_rome/steel_in_ancient_greece_an.html
        
        FYI – I collect ancient weapons and militari. My oldest weapons are over 3,000 years old (Bronze) and I have a sword of around 2,000 year old in {mid-carbon} ‘steel’ in very corroded condition. My oldest firearms are late 18th century, and my oldest sword in usable form is likely to be 300 years old, maybe a little more (‘Being a Toledo’ steel, as marked on the blade).
        
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        September 8, 2023 3:22pm
    - Spring Bank Westie
      
      I love the last line, *
      
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      September 8, 2023 3:47pm
    - John Loveridge
      
      But they had magic potion. What did the Maoris have?
      
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      September 8, 2023 7:14pm
Gravelroad

Just been to dentist for annual checkup.
10 minutes.
Scraped at teeth.
Two x-rays.
$96.
I reckon the government (if elected) is going to renege on its free dental treatment for under 30’s promise.
Tax payers will not be able to fund it.
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September 8, 2023 10:01am
- Inandout
  
  Gravel, my dentist’s charges now rarely drop below $135, even for a checkup. In the absence of a hygenist he opts to clean at the time of visit.
  
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  September 8, 2023 10:17am
- Diogenes
  
  When one of my teeth collapsed this week, my visit to the dentist (a very good one, I should say) cost $137 for an X-ray and consultation about possible treatments. More extensive examination in a couple of weeks will cost around $250 for a more complex X-ray by a very costly machine. And then we start adding the zeros, because indications are that several other adjacent teeth are in trouble.
  
  My dentist is hot under the collar re Labour suggestions of making treatment free for a growing cohort. The government will not be able to afford the repairs for increasingly complex problems that under-30s are presenting. He pointed out that dentistry is not like doctors. Modern dental equipment costs into the millions of dollars (another dentist told me some years ago that the chair alone costs more than a half million). Medical practices are not faced with massive setup costs like this. If the government mandates what effectively will be treatment caps, the dentists will be funding a high proportion of the costs out of their own pockets. Actually, they won’t. They’ll close. Move to Australia. Or whatever. But the upshot will be that the government move will actually reduce treatment availabilities.
  
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  September 8, 2023 11:02am
  - All_on_Red
    
    I broke one a couple of weeks ago.
    Extraction it was and total cost $460.
    Wasn’t unhappy with that as it was a bit of a mess.
    Hate it when he asks for the ‘curved long pliers’ though.
    
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    September 8, 2023 11:10am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Bullhorn pliers to split molar roots! Not going to happen anymore – they are all gone.
      
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      September 8, 2023 11:55am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That was not clear! All of my teeth have gone, including molars.
        Lose biting power with dentures? Nope, I can bit into an apple.
        
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        September 8, 2023 2:36pm
    - Sol Invictus
      
      Try $1,900 to have a tooth capped!
      
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      September 8, 2023 7:10pm
- Raphael
  
  I have about $5000 worth of work that needs doing (bad genetics, my teeth have poor enamel, my wisdom teeth, which came out normal, had practically none). but as I am in my 40’s only the Greens policy would help pay for that, and I would rather have to deal with expensive dental bills than have the Greens having any sort of power.
  
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  September 8, 2023 2:25pm
  - John Loveridge
    
    Far too many people with voting rights don’t see as far as you do.
    
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    September 8, 2023 7:16pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I see Kiri Allan has brought in a lawyer in her effort to correct Media statements..

Barrister Christopher Stevenson wrote to several outlets this week, saying that references to police dogs tracking Allan were inaccurate and defamatory. She reserved her legal rights, with the letter giving a deadline to correct the reporting.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/media-insider-tvnz-boosts-security-for-political-reporters-kiri-allans-legal-letter-to-media-the-christopher-luxon-nz-herald-advertisement/AKARSSIHMFDXXI6QDLI6JZS7RA/
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September 8, 2023 10:01am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Bad judgement IMO. What is she going to do? Sue the media. Yeah that would be something. A defamation trial with all the police and dog handlers from that night all called as witnesses by the defence. Yeah sure she wants that 🙄
  
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  September 8, 2023 10:19am
  - kevn
    
    BY… I gather the dog tracked from her, a few hundred meters back to the smashed vehicle, thus proving she was the driver. Commonly used police dog skill apparently.
    
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    September 8, 2023 10:45am
- kevn
  
  Maggy… Wonderful to reminded over and over. Gifting NZ.
  
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  September 8, 2023 10:20am
Bridgenag

I have trouble if I look at Maggie’s twitter posts. All ticks I have made recently disappear. Last couple of days weird rolling on the site. Something didn’t like the Bobby Kennedy post and things went haywire….
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September 8, 2023 10:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  They’re watching you…..
  
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  September 8, 2023 11:59am
burt

Just thinking about the protestors who have positioned themselves on the gantry over the motorway or any other traffic blocking they do….

Imagine of one of the motorists just happened to be transporting a dozen paintball guns and a few thousand paint balls and because they couldn’t get past the blockage unloaded them from their car and left them lying on the road….
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September 8, 2023 10:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Tell me where and when, I’ll be there.
  
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  September 8, 2023 12:02pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    S.O
    
    I’ve got some “lead based” paint if you want it.
    
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    September 8, 2023 7:37pm
Bobba Fret

Most transparent and open government LOL!
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/chris-hipkins-ordered-to-apologise-for-breach-of-official-information-act/ar-AA1goQOC?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=5f2efcb7180044f89e64bf4af6257572&ei=9
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September 8, 2023 10:26am
ClanMcleod

Good grief, a Herald lead story that is negative about Hipkins!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-hipkins-ordered-to-apologise-for-breach-of-official-information-act/P72PNVRNDREPZLMDR7J4WRHQ2E/

Are the knives already sharpened and is he going before the election or 5 minutes after the inevitable concession?
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September 8, 2023 10:34am
- PaulP
  
  Only leads as they are patting themselves on the back being the media outlet that lodged the complaint.
  
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  September 8, 2023 10:57am
- Martonman
  
  Wait until you see the latest Curia Poll
  
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  September 8, 2023 3:46pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxeslM_WYco
Patriots RISING UP in DEFENSE of Children!!
Why wouldn’t they rise against it, the problem is the way they’re going after the children we should be able to have them locked up, parents, teachers, and anybody who sees children as a way to enhance their sick ambitions. [13:50]
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September 8, 2023 10:46am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98SjPPrYRno
America’s 21st century(Golden Age, Civil War….

America doesn’t look to be in a good position now America seems horribly divided with a broken economic system massive social tensions and a 30 other problems most Americans would say that their country is going downhill however. The future is always more complicated than the whims of the moment would believe. What is the future of America over the next Century what trends will dominate America over that period how will the most powerful nation in the world change over the 21st century that’s the question of this video. [38:16] A little long, but well researched, and well reasoned.
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September 8, 2023 10:46am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Trump 2024 will fix it – is he is alive.
  
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  September 8, 2023 12:07pm
  - sungsamning
    
    I agree.
    
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    September 8, 2023 12:23pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      He will still be in danger after he wins, and even after his 4 years.
      
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      September 8, 2023 2:39pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Replace every occurrence of America with New Zealand in the first paragraph and you’ll be correct.
  
  The reports of America’s decline are a little premature, especially considering the alternatives.
  
  If push comes to shove homogenous, centralised states like NZ will go down as one, but the US will fracture along state lines and state groupings. The federal government can fall and the states will barely miss a beat because they are independent political entities.
  
  The US might be the 8th wonder of the world but the 9th is surely people’s ignorance of why it is so.
  
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  September 8, 2023 12:15pm
ClanMcleod

On a complete change of topic, watch this video from 1979. I remember seeing a TV show featuring this classic man. Fred Dybnah, steeplejack, as he climbs a truly massive brick chimney up a standard ladder which he put up! No hi vis, no safety gear other than probably steel toe cap boots.

He dismantles this 60m plus chimney one brick at a time.

https://twitter.com/BBCArchive/status/1699324051959820338?s=20

Possibly the best 6 minutes you’ll spend today!
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September 8, 2023 10:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Pommy mate I worked with showed me this. He knows Fred.
  Video I saw Fred knocks out bricks at the bottom while he installs wood props. Then he lights a bonfire. Done many.
  
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  September 8, 2023 12:16pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Ad. Imagine doing that now in NZ. Health and Safety or Worksafe would evacuate Auckland!
    
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    September 8, 2023 2:44pm
- Che Guava
  
  And in only the last 44 years, Fred’s beloved northern England has been deliberately demographically transformed nearly out of existence.
  
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  September 8, 2023 12:21pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Fred built a lot of those chimneys.
    
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    September 8, 2023 2:42pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      What a man. Great humour as well.
      
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      September 8, 2023 7:41pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  That’s insane. Especially clambering over the loose planks at the top. Not even tethered.
  
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  September 8, 2023 8:19pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Next level old school!!! Amazing stuff. Look him up on YouTube. Lots of awesome videos. Not a single shred of faux pretentious bollox. Real men doing a real job. Today they would be ridiculed in many circles.
    Who would you want in a trench with you when the shit hits the fan, somebody like Fred or Shaneel Lal????
    
    Rhetorical question clearly.
    
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    September 8, 2023 9:34pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

No evidence of Biden’s wrongdoing. Really?
Republicans holding back on impeaching Joe – why?
Trump has 91, Joe has zero!

https://redbloodedconservative.com/2023/09/07/unnamed-gop-wimps-fret-theres-no-evidence-of-joe-bidens-wrongdoing/
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September 8, 2023 11:08am
Maggie Pie

“ROCKSTARS” you say?

LOL!!

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsAust/status/1699730925154975854
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September 8, 2023 11:14am
- Bernard Black
  
  The Strolling Bones?
  
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  September 8, 2023 11:58am
- Che Guava
  
  They should have quit when Mick Taylor left in about 1974. Taylor’s guitar virtuosity is what made the prime Stones what they were and, with very few exceptions, they haven’t come close for the last 5o years.
  
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  September 8, 2023 12:10pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    I have never found The Rolling Stones to be particularly noteworthy. The Beatles mixed in more quality content before 1970 than they have done over all their decades, in terms on variety of songwriting and pioneering musical techniques or styles. 3 genuinely prolific and talented song writers in there (and then there’s Ringo!). One of the Stones earliest hits was gifted by the Beatles/written by them.
    Music from The Doors, The Who, Jimi Hendrix and others personally just interests me much more. And I was not a child, or even alive in the 1960’s.
    
    But music is pretty subjective, and a matter of personal taste.
    
    The latest song I heard from the Stones on ZB today sounded OK to me, and better than many from their younger selves. So pretty good in that sense, being not to many people are releasing new original content in their 80s.
    Shame Jimi and Jim and John didn’t make it.
    
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    September 8, 2023 1:37pm
    - Che Guava
      
      I tend to agree. The Beatles were far superior to the Stones in terms of songwriting, notwithstanding that the Stones did some great work, particularly with Mick Taylor (particularly the albums Get Yer Ya-Ya’s Out! (live) Sticky Fingers and Exile on Mainstreet).
      
      Taylor famously commented that he didn’t understand what all the fuss was about when he first auditioned for the Stones. He was far and way the most accomplished musician to play with the Stones.
      
      The 1971 live version of Dead Flowers is a great example of his abilities.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oPInSfh6H4
      
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      September 8, 2023 2:30pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Cheers, yes a few hammer-ons and string bends in there with a pretty clean guitar sound.
        And didn’t Mick look pretty at that time!
        
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        September 8, 2023 4:16pm
Maggie Pie

So, according to NewsTalk, Chippy has spent the morning scraping the barrel “talking to new migrants and refugees”.
How many votes does he think he’ll pick up there?

Funny we’ve never once seen him, (or any other of Labor Ministers) in Remmers, talking to the country’s taxpayers.
You know who I mean Chris, the people who pay all your salaries and have to work for other familes.

Just saying.
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September 8, 2023 12:14pm
- Ghost
  
  A few, because when asked about bringing families to NZ he told them an announcement would be made soon
  
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  September 8, 2023 12:18pm
- cmm
  
  If they’re too new they can’t vote.
  You need to have lived in NZ for 12 months.
  
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  September 8, 2023 1:08pm
- kevn
  
  Give them a Timaru medal.
  
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  September 8, 2023 5:42pm
ClanMcleod

Another tragedy as another young, healthy woman with no health concerns dies ‘suddenly’.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new-zealand-born-melody-southon-dies-in-sleep-family-schoolmates-devastated/A2A3D3FQERC5XDGDQT5BDVOI24/

No words needed. Heartfelt sympathy to the family.
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September 8, 2023 12:15pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  You can’t blame every sudden unexplained death on the COVID vaccines. Young people can suddenly die. Frequently from an undiagnosed congenital heart problem.
  
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  September 8, 2023 1:27pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    B.y
    
    They can, but it is rare.
    
    “Young people can suddenly die. Frequently from an undiagnosed congenital heart problem.”
    
    Without a post mortem it would be a guess by the certifying doctor as to cause.
    Post mortems are rarely performed in these cases.
    
    Especially since covid.
    
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    September 8, 2023 7:51pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Can you substantiate that? I would have thought that a post mortem would always be performed in a sudden death in a healthy young person.
      
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      September 8, 2023 8:10pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Rarely.
        Coroner is now permitted to declare cause of death as undetermined.
        Very dangerous as we won’t know of trends that may be treatable .
        
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        September 8, 2023 8:14pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        You were conned once during covid, I cannot believe you still believe that the systems we depend on are functioning as they should. The level of difficulty in reporting even a basic report of adverse event after covid vaccination is at a level you would not believe.
        
        This is not a case of ‘incompetence’. This is next level psyops as part of the ‘great reset’.
        
        Read this story, tell me it’s a lie. Then tell me why.
        
        https://metatron.substack.com/p/justice-for-caitlin
        
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        September 8, 2023 9:50pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    BY – I didn’t blame it on anything. You normally aren’t so presumptuous, maybe I triggered you?
    
    There have been an extraordinary number of young people dying ‘suddenly’ around the globe. We don’t know what is causing it because nobody is allowed to look. It’s in all of our faces, but it seems too many people are too terrified of the obvious.
    They can’t handle the fact they have been duped to a an unprecedented level. I know you were a huge ‘believer’ at the beginning of covid. It must have been difficult for you to realise you were badly wrong. It happened to many people.
    
    There is over 14% excess all cause mortality in NZ that correlates perfectly with the rollout of the jab. There is a massive reduction in live births. There is a 38% increase in registered disabilities that correlates with the jab rollout.
    
    This is all pure coincidence clearly…../s
    
    Have a think about what you are saying BY. You’re better than that.
    
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    September 8, 2023 9:45pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I didn’t.
    
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    September 8, 2023 9:45pm
ClanMcleod

If I Wanted NZ to Fail

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/if-i-wanted-new-zealand-to-fail?postId=48cbc2af-37c2-400c-b039-1d68d10de28f&cid=02069a65-aca7-4e0d-8637-8e931ba12a02
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September 8, 2023 12:23pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Dismantle Democracy. This is what ‘Stop Co-Governance’ is all about. A takeover by Elite Maori. Tribal rule = Tyranny.
  
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  September 8, 2023 12:30pm
Ghost

No thanks, not interested. So easy to say

Mark Andrew says his girlfriend came home in tears after spending $560 she didn’t want to, during a trip to Sylvia Park.

He said she went to the mall for a Father’s Day gift but was approached by an employee for Australian-owned skincare brand Origani on the mall concourse with a free sample

Article
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September 8, 2023 12:23pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Partner got roped in by that at Ali Moana Mall, Waikiki Beach. Makeup products – good stuff, not Warehouse shit. Very persuasive but she wanted some anyway US$400 odd. We had this thing to talk about some of the things we would come across. Thought was we may not pass this way again. A lot of stuff. US$700 in postage from Hawaii and Alaska. All sortd of touristy things. I bought about 30 teeshirts.
  Anyway, 2 years later we were back at that same mall, and hear a guy calling out “I know you, I know you” and started the same sales pitch. I intervened and said no, but he carried on to the point where I said “No more, just fuck off, and I won’t tell you again” He went away.
  I guess Mark’s girlfriend learnt a lesson and will remember it if a similar situation arises.
  
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  September 8, 2023 12:40pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    B.y
    
    They can, but it is rare.
    
    “Young people can suddenly die. Frequently from an undiagnosed congenital heart problem.”
    
    Without a post mortem it would be a guess by the certifying doctor as to cause.
    Post mortems are rarely performed in these cases.
    
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    September 8, 2023 7:56pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    S.O
    
    It must have been great makeup if he recognised you two years later!
    I might get a couple of kilos for myself.
    
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    September 8, 2023 8:00pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Makeup was for my Partner. KAI and Premier are two brands.
      
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      September 9, 2023 9:07am
- Maggie Pie
  
  I got sucked in once at the Ala Moana Mall in Hawaii.
  Ended up buying a USD$490 jar of Dead-Sea-Mud from a good looking smooth talking Israeli guy. Then found the exact same thing on the Net that night for $150.
  Went back the next day to confront the thieving jewish prick….needless to say he’d packed up his tent and disappeared.
  
  Still got half a jar left, but its gone hard.
  
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  September 8, 2023 12:47pm
  - cmm
    
    $150 – what a sucker.
    You could have scraped the same muck off your Redbands for free.
    
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    September 8, 2023 1:05pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I find it hard to take you seriously.
    
    The average price for ‘dead sea mud’ and related products is about $US 10.
    
    https://www.amazon.com/dead-sea-mud/s?k=dead+sea+mud
    
    And as for calling him (even if he is a a figment of your imagination) a “thieving jewish prick” – words fail me.
    
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    September 8, 2023 1:33pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Water and microwave.
    
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    September 8, 2023 2:50pm
  - Che Guava
    
    Every so often Maggie, your true power levels sneak through a crack in your comments.
    
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    September 8, 2023 4:22pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      It is called being a fantastist.
      
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      September 8, 2023 8:13pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Check Aliexpress for everything. There are garages full of Chinese shit in garages all over East Auckland in particular. When you go on Trademe check Aliexpress out first. Most of the time they use the original Aliexpress photo to advertise what they are selling to NZ!!
    
    H/T – NZ manufactures very little, nor does the US. When people tell you what you’re buying from Aliexpress is ‘Chinese crap’, what they aren’t telling you is, it’s all the same crap!
    
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    September 8, 2023 9:55pm
CAKE FACE1

Does latest Curia poll have Labour at 23%?
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September 8, 2023 1:03pm
- Matt Long
  
  Maybe ACT is 😉
  
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  September 8, 2023 3:53pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The year is 2024. Your EV won’t start for 48 hours because your status on social media was deemed too offensive.
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September 8, 2023 1:05pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Or you’ve been identified as a “person of interest” to the state so your EV has locked the doors and driven you to the nearest police station.
  
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  September 8, 2023 5:40pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Creepy Hal voice; “I’m sorry Dave, but I can’t start the car for you today.”
  
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  September 8, 2023 8:23pm
Maggie Pie

Had to larf to myself 😀

My partner’s mum just txt….

‘that Jason Wall on ZB is so far up Chippys ass
he’ll need a 4 cell maglite to find his way back out’

LOL!
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September 8, 2023 1:19pm
Tony Stuart

Jordan Williams from the Taxpayers’ Union had a cryptic tweet this morning that simply said “23”.

Could the latest NZTU/Curia poll’s release be imminent, and is he referring to the Labour Party’s level of support?
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September 8, 2023 1:40pm
- Swifty
  
  Love it.
  
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  September 8, 2023 1:53pm
- Tricati
  
  Please let it be – The lefty’s will be apoplectic and the MSM maybe starting to wonder if they backed the wrong horse.
  
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  September 8, 2023 2:03pm
- gorse
  
  Hipkins said they are ramping up their election campaign. I await the ramping with baited breathe.
  
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  September 8, 2023 2:26pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    ‘bated’ Sorry, could not resist – and I sure make my share of mistakes LOL.
    
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    September 8, 2023 2:58pm
    - kevn
      
      SteveO… gorse was just baiting Captn.
      
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      September 8, 2023 4:57pm
- cmm
  
  Once it drops below 25% it gives a bunch of die-hards and party faithful an excuse to not vote.
  
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  September 8, 2023 2:31pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Nooooo, they will all turn around and vote National.//
    Well a few may. Many staunch Labour diehards have had a gutsful this time.
    Worst Labour performance ever. Who is responsible? Sorry, gone now.
    
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    September 8, 2023 3:01pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Act. Remember what I said about dust?
  5 weeks left and going down in a screaming heap.
  
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  September 8, 2023 2:54pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Lab on 27 I believe which is too bloody high
  
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  September 8, 2023 2:54pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Here is a better one.
    30% Wow!!!!
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-support-for-chris-hipkins-plummets-as-labour-hits-new-low-in-poll/Q23LZE37NJG35NCS2VYHOAKHKI/
    
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    September 8, 2023 3:06pm
- PeeJay
  
  Just headed over there now – quick highlight (with permission mods?):
  
  “Both National and Labour are unchanged on last month at 35% and 27%, respectively. ACT is up 1 point to 14% and the Greens are also up to 1 point to 13%…….NZ First on 3.9% (-1.9 points), the Māori Party on 2.9% (+0.4 points)”
  
  Would give National / ACT 64 seats.
  
  Sure our gracious host will put a link up soon.
  
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  September 8, 2023 2:58pm
Swifty

Shoots three in a gang confrontation on the streets of Wellington inflicting serious injuries:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/killer-beez-gangster-gets-four-years-jail-for-shooting-wellington-rivals-in-head/2K6C5G75CVBHPNBTKGOP7GJ47I/

Four years. Out in two? Two and a half?

A fair sentence?
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September 8, 2023 1:53pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Yet there’s a number of replies to the twitter-link
  who say he should have received a medal.
  
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  September 8, 2023 2:16pm
  - Ghost
    
    Medals are just given away, you can get one for living in the district for 12 months, I want one for putting up with labour for 6 years, I’m sure I was taught in sex Ed labour didn’t last that long.
    
    Refugee medal
    
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    September 8, 2023 2:20pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Labour don’t last that long?
      First step – get pregnant.
      Tell wife that you are pregnant. Quick trip to Hospital and awake from a coma 7 days later.//
      
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      September 8, 2023 3:16pm
- kowtow
  
  The amount of pathetic pandering going on there .
  
  Disgusting .
  
  And the judge ” Good luck Mr lawson”
  
  Faaark
  
  There was a time the judge wudda said , you’re a menace and danger to society , this is not the wild west , time to send a clear message to stop these outrages .
  
  And then thrown the book at the scrote .
  
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  September 8, 2023 2:26pm
- cmm
  
  Maybe they can make a deal:
  
  Let him out after six months if he promises to get a more powerful firearm.
  
  This wounding BS must stop. Same with that little mob prick who was shot in the head with a 22 in Kaiapoi.
  
  Back offending they day they let him out of hospital.
  
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  September 8, 2023 2:29pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Two and a half, then an ankle bracelet and a roll of tin foil.
  
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  September 8, 2023 3:19pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Noooooooooooooooooooooo!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/132902270/edmonds-pastry-discontinued-due-to-being-no-longer-commercially-viable
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September 8, 2023 2:12pm
- Ghost
  
  Oh bloody hell. Now I’m going to have to make my own, bunch of bankers.
  
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  September 8, 2023 2:23pm
  - RightNow
    
    While I understand what you meant, the actual collective noun for bankers is wunch.
    A wunch of bankers.
    
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    September 8, 2023 2:45pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      RN
      Also known as a cunch of bunts.
      No, sorry,
      I got confused with the government!
      
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      September 8, 2023 8:07pm
- cmm
  
  Don’t worry Maggers… I saw the Edmonds Cookbook (Maori edition) in the shops yesterday….
  
  I wonder whether they know which side of the pikelet has the butter or or are they also going to fall in a woke hole with Disney, Bud light, etc etc.
  
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  September 8, 2023 2:24pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Killed the video at 25 seconds. Bitch and bastardised English.
  
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  September 8, 2023 3:24pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    I boycott any business or product that virtue-signals with te reo.
    
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    September 8, 2023 4:20pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    So you didn’t discover the price of 2 kumara?
    (at 1:46)
    
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    September 8, 2023 4:25pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I don’t see any video now, although I did see it.
      Is it the games stuff plays, or is it me?
      I have had 3 beers. You can start any time when you are retired.
      6am and the speaker of the house says “where is my cup of tea? I thought that is why you went to the kitchen?”
      
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      September 8, 2023 4:50pm
Raphael

bugger, we use that frequently with the piemaker (one from kmart)
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September 8, 2023 2:47pm
Maggie Pie

Things that make you go HMMM.

My partner was saying he’s been hearing some really really weird stuff recently about the Rothschild family. Watch this space…..

https://twitter.com/GeneralMCNews/status/1699792134843351366
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September 8, 2023 3:15pm
- Raphael
  
  that name always makes me think of the song from Big Tent Revival, Two Sets of Joneses
  
  This here’s a song about two sets of Joneses
  Rothchild – Evelyn, Reuben and Sue
  Just for discussion, through random selection
  We’ve chosen two couples who haven’t a clue
  
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  September 8, 2023 4:05pm
Hugh Jarse

Another nice Curia poll result today. I like that word “slump”.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300966286/nz-election-2023-live-labour-slumps-to-265-in-latest-poll-national-well-ahead
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September 8, 2023 4:09pm
Sparrow

Sorry all the polls are wrong. Spoke today to local oracle’s the mechanic and the hairdresser. This info comes from under the bonnet and hairdryer how more genuine can you get.
People don’t have a f….clue who they will vote for or even bother to vote. Its a plague on all parties and politicians. Granted this is Nortland but under that bonnet and hairdryer is the old smiling rascal.
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September 8, 2023 4:59pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Farmers are going to kick Labour to kingdom come, as are most mortgage holders, religious people and business owners I’d say.
  
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  September 8, 2023 8:31pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-drink/132902167/hundreds-queue-for-nzs-newest-fried-chicken-nene-chicken–is-it-worth-the-wait
I’ll bet $1 that most are on a benefit.
Any takers ?
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September 8, 2023 6:18pm
- Ghost
  
  Considering most you can identify in the line look Asian I’d say you’d be wrong
  
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  September 8, 2023 6:24pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Each to their own, I guess. Queuing up for that kind of stuff does seem somewhat sad to me.
    
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    September 8, 2023 8:55pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/132899064/unlicensed-driver-killed-cousin-paralysed-partner-in-horror-napier-crash

“Mithias Oshae Te Pou”:
There is surely a link between the giving a child absolutely stupid and incomprehensible names and that person’s subsequent behaviour.
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September 8, 2023 6:25pm
Ghost

Does anyone know where labour buy their money trees from? Might plant one . If it is going to cost $81 million I’m sure if we double or triple it we still won’t get to the actual cost.

If re-elected to Government the Labour Party will introduce household rebates for energy-efficient homes, costing $81.6 million over three years.

On Friday, Labour Spokesperson for Building and Construction and Energy and Resources Megan Woods announced the multi-million-dollar rebate policy, which she says will decrease energy demands and “therefore emissions”.

The three-year rebate pilot will include:
Rebates of up to $18,000 for deep retrofit of an existing home
Up to $7000 for partial retrofits like double glazing and insulation
Up to $3000 for households who move off gas and electrify

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September 8, 2023 6:58pm
- Matt Long
  
  They’re also going to return NZ Government books to surplus in four years, it’s just amazing.
  
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  September 8, 2023 7:47pm
waripori

Enough of all the politics. Lots of sport on but one contest that has attracted no attention is the New Zealand A vs Australia A cricket series in Australia. I am keen on cricket but had no idea this was happening until flicking through channels on Sky a couple of days ago. NZ A won both 4 day games with a very good win in the second game last night. Will O’Rourke who is apparently playing for Canterbury having been born in the UK and grew up in Auckland looks a great fast bowling prospect. Just 22, 1 metre 97 and very strong. Never heard of him. Who knew?
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September 8, 2023 7:39pm
- Prince
  
  Have been watching this. Great effort by Sky to show it. They could have been forgiven for telling NZ Cricket to ‘stick it’ after being shoved aside for the ill-fated Spark Sport.
  Best thing of all is the absence of Scott Stevenson as senior screamer.
  
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  September 8, 2023 10:42pm

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