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NeverMindTheBollocks

Well, spank my arse and call me Charlie! There couldn’t be an election in the offing, could there?

“We’re not going to discriminate against people based on the fact that they earned a lot of money, they pay more tax, and therefore they should still be able to access the same amount of public services,” [Chris Hipkins] said.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132888394/the-politics-of-teeth-should-millionaires-dip-into-the-public-purse-for-basic-dental-care
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September 7, 2023 8:00am
- herb1
  
  Meanwhile attacking National for not discriminating against Millionaires in their policies
  
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  September 7, 2023 9:41am
  - Paulus
    
    Doesn’t little Chippy earn about $500,000 plus all the free trimmings ?
    Like Ardern.
    
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    September 7, 2023 1:50pm
    - Ghost
      
      Kind of, he won’t get the trimmings after here out of the job as you have to be PM for two years to get the perks.
      
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      September 7, 2023 1:55pm
- Close Hen Counters
  
  Okey dokey chippy – then please explain why non Māori patients have access to publically funded investigations and surgery after the special people
  
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  September 7, 2023 9:52am
- k1w1
  
  Yep, as mentioned by me below. Hypocrite is ol’ Chippy. The wealthy indeed do pay more tax. Be sure to c&p that article whenever his cheer squad start saying the opposite (which they do, a lot).
  
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  September 7, 2023 10:13am
  - Local Miller
    
    The problem isn’t whether the wealthy pay more tax or not, it’s whether they pay “their fair share”. //S
    
    Whatever “their fair share” means is anyone’s guess, but based on history I would assume it would only be fair when everyone’s disposable income after tax is equal, whether wealthy or not, working or not.
    
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    September 7, 2023 2:23pm
    - k1w1
      
      Yes & no. If you get sucked into the void that is FB, it’s amazing how many leftie idiots firmly believe that the wealthy exploit some sort of rort, or “loophole”, and pay next to no tax.
      
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      September 7, 2023 4:50pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Yep, Hipkins’ spinning would give Mr Peters a run for his money .
  It is not in any way authentic though, just a case of needs must when the polls drive………
  
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  September 7, 2023 10:43am
  - Paulus
    
    Gravel
    You mean when the polls dive.
    
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    September 7, 2023 1:56pm
- cmm
  
  A millionaire is anyone with a net worth of over a million bucks.
  If you’ve paid off most of your mortgage then buck teeth for you!
  
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  September 7, 2023 4:08pm
Mark Hanley

WHY IS HIPKINS SUDDENLY DENYING COVID JAB COMPULSION???

Perhaps NZDSOS’s warnings they are coming after the covid jab Tzars has scared him?

An excellent letter from NZDSOS to the police commissioner asking police to investigate the coverup!

https://nzdsos.com/2022/05/24/deaths-following-c-19-vaccination/

Hipkins and Adern must be held to account for lying about the medsafe report, profiting from the Pfizer jab, purchasing and injecting known deadly Pfizer batches into us, and for the killing of tens of thousands of NZers in all age groups.
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September 7, 2023 8:00am
- Yvette
  
  Does Hipkins deny his predecessor who he so often stood beside on the podium of truth?
  As history goes, it was not all that long ago
  
  PM Ardern on how NZ will look under the ‘traffic light’ system | nzherald.co.nz
  [0:06] HERALD:… if you’re vaccinated or if you’re unvaccided you have all [0:08] these rights if you are vaccinated
  ARDERN: That [0:10] is what it is, so, yep, yep
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdMSRolWCyQ&t=19s.
  
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  September 7, 2023 9:47am
  - Local Miller
    
    Remember Hipkins was the Minister of Covid Response during the scamdemic. He knows full well he’s lying about people being forced to take the Jab.
    
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    September 7, 2023 2:25pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Yet Seymour continues to claim the jabs were safe and didn’t kill anyone……
  
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  September 7, 2023 10:54am
  - Paul Marsden
    
    He needs to talk to my family.
    
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    September 7, 2023 11:32am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Yawn.
    
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    September 7, 2023 1:31pm
- Paul Marsden
  
  And this from the USA…
  
  “A federal appeals court is reviving a lawsuit against the Food and Drug Administration for discouraging ivermectin use during the COVID-19 pandemic.
  
  The three doctors behind the suit are claiming the agency overstepped its bounds by aggressively messaging against the medication ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 symptoms.
  
  The federal appeals court on Friday overturned a lower court’s ruling that the lawsuit could not continue.
  
  The doctors allege that the FDA harmed their reputations by publicizing medical advice against the drug — an action that would fall outside its prerogative to inform, not prescribe.
  
  The federal appeals court found that there was a basis for the lawsuit to move forward.
  
  “[The] FDA is not a physician. It has authority to inform, announce, and apprise—but not to endorse, denounce, or advise,” Judge Don Willett wrote. “The Doctors have plausibly alleged that FDA’s Posts fell on the wrong side of the line between telling about and telling to.”
  
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  September 7, 2023 11:30am
KiWombat

As we approach the end of this government’s second term, the time is here to consider a term-end report card.

Six years ago this government promised several flagship policies to be delivered by them, including:-

KiwiBuild – 10,000 new homes per year to address a perceived housing shortage –
Maori housing – 1,000 new homes just for Maori –
Child Poverty – reduction/elimination of child poverty –
Tax reform – a CGT to make tax fairer for all –
One Billion (1,000,000,000) extra trees –
Light Rail to Auckland Airport down Dominion Road by 2021 – and –
Re-entry into Pike River mine by Christmas 2018.

Sure, there were other issues promised in their election manifesto, like “no strikes on my watch” but those above formed the backbone of their campaign, and I’ll leave it up to readers to give marks to each element as they see fit. Just a hint – there aren’t too many ticks on the report card I prepared!!
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September 7, 2023 8:01am
- kevn
  
  The first of 3 labour (fail) ‘report’ cards…
  https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/alex-holland-labour-s-failures
  
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  September 7, 2023 8:07am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Labour have done a good job of plastering translated Maori names all over the place.
    It is NOT needed.
    I live in Auckland (established 183 years) Fuck knows where this Tamaki Makaurau place is.
    
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    September 7, 2023 8:34am
    - KiWombat
      
      Must be challenging for tourist drivers, especially when the signs in english just disappear !
      
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      September 7, 2023 8:39am
      - jv
        
        Useless and not needed for locals, useless and not needed for tourists because in the big wide world they all use gps any way (just like taxi drivers all over the world)
        
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        September 7, 2023 9:03am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      Seriously Steve, if you don’t know that Tamaki Makarau has been in relatively common use for the last 20 years, you must have a pretty limited circle of networks, and presumably don’t read very much.
      
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      September 7, 2023 8:40am
      - john1234
        
        You think he was being literal, Wayne? Really?
        
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        September 7, 2023 8:47am
      - wsk12345
        
        If you don’t follow the MSM – which it’s clear that you do from your comments – how would you know? I only hear of it if I’m visiting my folks and the propaganda is playing.
        
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        September 7, 2023 9:01am
      - KiWombat
        
        – – – and perhaps sometime in the next 20 years you will learn how to spell it, not that it matters one iota – –
        
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        September 7, 2023 9:09am
      - RoboRob
        
        My sister is over from Australia (born in NZ and been there for abou 15 years). She has not idea what half this stuff is, Whaka Kotahi, Hato Hone, Manatū Hauora, Te Whatu Ora, Oranga Tamariki etc. Sort of easy for us because we have had the slow (although rapid in the last 5 years) transition into it. For someone not from NZ its all gibberish.
        
        Even for fluent Maori speakers it is useless.
        
        If Maori speaker Tane has been in the UK for 10 years and comes to NZ. Someone tells him to contact Waka Kotahi? he has no idea what that is. If someone said Ministry of Transport he could work it out from the title.
        
        The Maori’ng of things does nothing to improve communication, it makes it worse. Language is primarily about communication and virtue signalling is breaking that.
        
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        September 7, 2023 9:10am
      - graham
        
        Wayne, you state that Tamaki Makarau “has been in relatively common use for the last 20 years“, but I ask:
        
        By whom?
        
        I have certainly seen and heard the name a lot, but it is essentially being pushed by the usual suspects who are continually trying to promulgate their ideologies and their way of thinking onto the wider population. Government, councils, the media, and a very small number of individuals.
        
        In real life, how many people do you know who actually use “Tamaki Makarau” in everyday conversation? I personally have never met anybody who does. My friends and colleagues talk about “getting out of Auckland for the long weekend” or how glad they are to have escaped Auckland and be living in Christchurch, or up north, or in Australia.
        
        The name “Tamaki Makarau” is only in “relatively common use” by those organisations who are determined to saturate it into their areas of control in an attempt to influence the wider population into following their fondly-held ideologies. Unfortunately for them, it simply isn’t working.
        
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        September 7, 2023 9:22am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “Seriously Steve, if you don’t know that Tamaki Makarau has been in relatively common use for the last 20 years.. ”
        
        It is only in common use in the mainstream media, the left political parties, woke NGOs, and in the public service. It is not at all part of day to day language that is spoken in the community and in families.
        
        Let’s say you took a poll. What are the names for Chistchurch, Nelson, Dunedin, Queenstown, and Auckland? Without consulting Google. I doubt that 1 in 500 people could get half right.
        
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        September 7, 2023 9:22am
      - Opie
        
        It has only been rammed into mainstream news and sports coverage in the last 3 years.
        
        Not interested in the virtue signaling and neither are 90 percent of new Zealanders.
        
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        September 7, 2023 9:35am
      - Ghost
        
        Perhaps Wayne it is you that live with a small circle of friends. Even my Maori friends call it Auckland. There is also nothing worse than during heavy rain for the media to start using names only a handful of the population know.
        
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        September 7, 2023 9:35am
      - Tom Hunter
        
        The real concern…
        
        You are right. There were (and are) a substantial number of National MP’s who would have similar views to myself.
        Wayne Mapp,
        
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        September 7, 2023 9:39am
      - herb1
        
        You do seem to come across as having a superiority complex Wayne, with your comments.
        
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        September 7, 2023 9:45am
      - Jack5
        
        Two languages: when speaking or writing Maori use the Maori name; when speaking or writing English use the English name.
        
        The media are trying to force feed New Zealanders into adopoting the Maori version when speaking or writing in English.
        
        Name-change stuff is international. Turkey wants to be Turkiye, with an umlaut over the “u”, and now India’s leader is hinting at “India” being called in English “Bharat”.
        
        Germans don’t expect “Germany” to be called “Deutschland” in English; Italians don’t push for their country to be called “Italia”; Japanese seem happy for the English-speaking world to say “Japan” rather than “Nihon”; Spaniards seem unconcerned by “Spain” for “Espana”.
        
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        September 7, 2023 9:56am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Wayne is a leftie. Born without a sense of humour, and it can’t be installed.
        
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        September 7, 2023 9:57am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Not a slow transition RoboRob.
        A slow forced transition. If Maori wish to speak Maori then fine, but don’t force it on me.
        
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        September 7, 2023 10:08am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Hmmm. Common use by who is the question I would ask. And I would also say that Tamaki Makarau was never a reference to Auckland as a whole. Land Court judge, Francis Dart Fenton, reported that the name Tamaki, for the isthmus (between Waitemata and Manukau harbours), had fallen into disuse and it was confined to the suburb in 1868. In 1910, Elsdon Best became New Zealand’s first professional ethnographer, working at the Dominion Museum, Wellington. Best is clear in his understanding of the location and extent of Tāmaki. In 1924, while regarded as the foremost authority on Maori culture, he published his work “The Maori”. In that work he states: “They are said to have been numerous in the Tamaki district, the Auckland isthmus, but we are not told as to whether or not they lived in fortified villages there. The extensive and numerous terraced hills of the Auckland district cannot have been occupied by a non-agricultural people, for the surrounding lands and sea inlets could not have supported them.
        So Tamaki is the isthmus within a greater area, which is the Auckland district.
        
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        September 7, 2023 10:19am
      - Local Miller
        
        I came to New Zealand 17.5 years ago, I’d never heard of Tamaki Makaurau until this Liebour Government came into power.
        
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        September 7, 2023 10:27am
      - Gravelroad
        
        I was born in central Auckland.
        It says on my birth certificate that I was born in Auckland.
        If I said I wanted my birth certificate to state that I was born in Tamaki Makarau – could I change it?
        Would it meet all legal requirements?
        
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        September 7, 2023 10:51am
      - jonno1
        
        Wayne, I’ve lived in Auckland since 1967 but first saw the phrase 3 or 4 years ago. I assumed it referred to Tamaki Drive, the Tamaki river, or maybe the Tamaki electorate, although it made no sense in context. I don’t think I’m alone in this.
        
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        September 7, 2023 10:54am
      - John Loveridge
        
        By whom, Wayne? I had never heard it at all until probably just a very small handful of years ago, which indicates to me anything but common use until quite recently.
        
        I’m also disappointed that you are not above aiming cheap barbs at other commenters.
        
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        September 7, 2023 10:58am
      - slijmbal
        
        I like to irritate the woke by using Hakuna Matata instead and waiting to be corrected and insisting they’re wrong …….
        
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        September 7, 2023 11:00am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        And here Wayne comes again to sheepdog wrongthink.
        
        The big choice thus election is pinko commies vs light blue commies. Both parties are bleeding heart wets, so the question is, whose turn?
        
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        September 7, 2023 12:20pm
    - Happy1
      
      While I, and no one I know, uses names like Aotearoa or Tamaki Makarua, I am tolerant of woke folk sprunking for change. Things will find their own level once the artificial pushing has finished. Mt Cook/ Aorangi has settled to Mt Cook and Mt Egmont / Taranaki has gone to Mt Taranaki. What will be will be.
      
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      September 7, 2023 9:43am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Wayne Mapp’s comment is as nonsensical as it is arrogant. I’ve lived in NZ for 31 years, I never heard of Tamaki Makaura until about 6 months ago.
        
        Mind you, I haven’t watched or listened to NZ mainstream media in almost 5 years. If I see a headline on a website like the Herald that starts with Maori terminology I close the page. I’m not interested in being browbeaten and compelled to learn a language I will neve use.
        
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        September 7, 2023 11:01am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        *Tamaki Makaurau*
        
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        September 7, 2023 12:20pm
      - Dave
        
        Since Taranaki has long been in popular and official use as the name of the region, it is unsurprising that the region’s most distinctive landform has rapidly taken on the same name.
        
        Tāmaki Makaurau might well be the original name of the Auckland isthmus, but at six syllables and without extensive popular use it is no more likely to replace Auckland than Petre will replace W(h)anganui, despite being shorter and its historical association.
        
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        September 7, 2023 2:57pm
    - Biscuit
      
      Steve, we;ve jst had the FIFA Women’s World Cup down thisaway.
      
      As a part of the branding, all cities used native names (Indigenous in Australia and Māori in New Zealand) alongside their English names in an effort to “reconcile and respect the original owners of the land”.
      They were:
      Tarntanya (Adelaide)
      Meanjin (written as Meaanjin; Brisbane)
      Naarm (Melbourne)
      Boorloo (Perth)
      Gadigal (Eastern Sydney; for Sydney Football Stadium)
      Wangal (Western Sydney; for Stadium Australia)
      Tāmaki Makaurau (Auckland)
      Ōtepoti (Dunedin)
      Kirikiriroa (Hamilton)
      and
      Te Whanganui-a-Tara (Wellington).
      
      The only one of those names that has a hope of sticking in my mind is your Auckland one.
      
      And I bet that should I use Gadigal when I go to Sydney in late October I’ll get as many blank looks as I would should I mention Te Whanganui-a-Tara here.
      
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      September 7, 2023 9:56am
    - Ruawai
      
      Maori names on Government departments makes them less accessible to most of the people as they struggle to know what departments are for. Have the Maori name as a small name below if needed at all.
      
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      September 7, 2023 10:10am
      - graham
        
        I received some correspondence recently from “Te Toka Tumai Auckland” recently. Seriously, how would you be realistically expected to know what that is? I had been to an appointment at this place recently and still had no idea what this meant.
        
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        September 7, 2023 11:34am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Te Whare Iti, when all I want is a leak.
        
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        September 7, 2023 12:25pm
      - Paulus
        
        Since Hato Hone to0k over the Ambulance Service I have ceased to donate to what was a wonderful cause.
        Stupid !
        
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        September 7, 2023 2:03pm
  - lifesgood
    
    The list is so extensive I gave up reading half way. Simply way too depressing.
    
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    September 7, 2023 8:36am
  - Tricati
    
    That’s a great summary and can’t wait for volumes 2 & 3.
    National/ACT should be posting link on their websites, if allowed, and send to Tova and Jenna for comment. Suspect the 2 Labour shrills would just hit delete as too confronting.
    
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    September 7, 2023 8:48am
  - gravedodger
    
    Quite long kevn, but that is the reality, timely reminder needs much wider exposure, will not happen alas.
    
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    September 7, 2023 9:46am
- Simon
  
  Hipkins has been reduced to asking for policy ideas from around the Labo table.
  
  Hipkins: Ideas people, ideas!
  Labo drone #1: no gst on vegetables
  drone #2 Boss you should head to India!
  drone #3 Free dental treatment
  drone #4 We do away with computers
  drone #5 free pet food!
  drone #6 Tax rainwater
  
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  September 7, 2023 8:20am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    drone#7 Do away with the Labour Party.
    
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    September 7, 2023 12:27pm
- Rusty
  
  @Ki..
  
  But Labour saved the planet by getting rid of plastic bags out of supermarkets.
  
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  September 7, 2023 8:43am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I don’t know why we need all this ETS bollox as the planet has already been saved. I know, because Jacinda told me that eliminating plastic bags would do the job.
    
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    September 7, 2023 9:53am
    - thirteenstars
      
      The psychology is instructive.
      
      Everyone is inconvenienced by the demise of plastic bags, the latest insult being their removal from the produce section. It’s made the world a more dirty and stinky place.
      
      Yet everyone complied with it like lambs. They were guilted into it. They turned necessity into a virtue using that old bit of solace that if we have have to suffer, let’s all suffer together.
      
      “Jacinda told me that eliminating plastic bags would do the job.”
      
      And I suspect most of the folks think a little virtue signalling here and there will satisfy the climate change gods. It won’t. These moves are all softening up exercises. When Net Zero hits home it’ll be too late to object: but I didn’t think it would come to this!
      
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      September 7, 2023 10:34am
      - ISeeRed
        
        Is National going to reverse this? And plastic straws? What about caged eggs?
        
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        September 7, 2023 3:13pm
  - Ruawai
    
    National should reintroduce oil and gas exploration and lock it in for 20 years so another govt can’t change.
    
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    September 7, 2023 10:12am
    - Paulus
      
      Agreed but no Overseas Drilling Company will come back as they would fully expect to be banned again by the next Labour Marxist Green Feminist Government, which will occur in years to come.
      
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      September 7, 2023 2:07pm
  - Handyman
    
    – Plastic bags sequester carbon for thousands of years.
    – Paper bags get the CO2 back in to the atmosphere days after usage.
    
    Once again proving the rule of thumb. Any green idea is a dumb idea with unintended consequences. Doubly dumb if it requires force of law to enact it.
    
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    September 7, 2023 10:13am
  - Burtland
    
    you forgot plastic straws
    
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    September 7, 2023 10:15am
    - Paul Marsden
      
      And now this..
      
      “Much like the paper straws that were ushered in to reduce the use of single use plastic straws, paper cups may also be problematic for the environment. A study published in the August issue of the journal Environmental Pollution found that many paper cups are coated with a thin coating of plastic. This layer keeps liquids from seeping into the paper, but can emit toxic substances”
      
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      September 7, 2023 11:43am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I realise your comment is // but seriously, go to your nearest supermarket, there are thousands of items in single use plastic bags. Start in the bread aisle, go past the cooked chooks, get some cold meats at the deli, buy any of the hundreds of packets of cheese, bacon, salami and so on.
    
    And I haven’t even looked at the sushi they all sell now, in plastic containers, with plastic fishy bottles of soy sauce, or the pre-made salads, and sandwiches. Plastic as far as the eye can see – you can even buy paper straws wrapped in plastic, I kid you not.
    
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    September 8, 2023 12:28am
Chuck Bird

This should interesting. Anyone going? I will be there.

Politicos to lay out agri vision in election debate

https://www.farmersweekly.co.nz/politics/politicos-to-lay-out-agri-vision-in-election-debate/
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September 7, 2023 8:05am
Vinicius

A good article by Michael Bassett on the bogus media coverage of the election. He also has a go at the NZ Herald. Here’s a small snippet:

“The owners of the Herald, NZME, also need to exercise more care. They should have thought twice before letting the Council of Trade Unions, in the middle of a campaign, take over the front cover last Monday for a personal attack on a major political party’s leader.”

I share Bassett’s concerns about the media coverage of the election. But am not surprised how inadequate it is.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/michael-bassett-bogus-election-media-coverage
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September 7, 2023 8:06am
Matt Long

The Press has published a new poll that G should be happier with:
National 36%
Labour 26%
Green 12%
ACT 11%
NZF 6%
A much worse result for the country however as NACT no longer have a majority.
The poll confirms Labour’s continuing slide, and NZF as comfortably in parliament.
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September 7, 2023 8:07am
- Opie
  
  https://www.thepost.co.nz/a/politics/350068072/labour-slumps-new-poll-low-numbers-offer-some-comfort
  
  Is this actually a hung parliament as the article states?
  
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  September 7, 2023 8:10am
  - Martonman
    
    https://www.facebook.com/MeganWoodsWigram
    If you read the comments it appears that the Red Wave is going out like the tide at the Bay of Fundy
    
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    September 7, 2023 11:50am
  - Paulus
    
    Only on certain assumptions, like Peters getting in !
    And he backing Labour Greens again.
    
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    September 7, 2023 2:09pm
- Vinicius
  
  According to Luke Malpass this poll was taken before the National Tax and Chippie’s 2026 Tooth policies last week.
  
  Heaven help us if National end up having to talk to the old Minotaur Peters.
  
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  September 7, 2023 8:20am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Vinicius – it’s a problem very easily fixed. Acknowledge covid policy disasters and a guarantee not to repeat them. No apology required. Just some honesty.
    That takes all the air out of Peter’s balloon.
    
    Sadly Seymour fully endorses the jabs and Luxon refuses to even say the ‘C’ word. Pure and unadulterated cowardice.
    
    If Peter’s get in, you know who to blame. Hint. It isn’t the people who vote for him.
    
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    September 7, 2023 11:06am
- Lance
  
  What a shit show awaits us if Winston First gets anywhere near control of parliament.
  The self aggrandizing and legislative paralysis would be nauseating and destructive for NZ
  
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  September 7, 2023 8:24am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    It’s easily fixed. Read the post above.
    
    If the Nats can’t understand this then they better not complain if the worst happens.
    
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    September 7, 2023 11:09am
    - Lance
      
      Ummm
      ‘Cutting off your nose to spite your face’ is considered a shit stupid philosophy by most
      
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      September 7, 2023 12:18pm
    - Ghost
      
      Clan it cannot be easily fixed because some have no problem with being lied to, abused, manipulated and experimented on. They have no problem with taking peoples rights away as long as it wasn’t theirs. And when it happens again, they will again take a drug that hasn’t been through the rigorous testing vaccines are required to go through. Why, because they don’t want to realize what they have allowed to be done to their body, to their fellow citizens.
      
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      September 7, 2023 12:49pm
      - wsk12345
        
        You do realise that vaccines don’t go through a rigorous testing process? They are never tested against placebo, but against either an adjuvant without the virus part or the previous vaccine for the same virus.
        
        They have way less tough testing than drugs and we know how little some of them clearly have.
        
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        September 7, 2023 8:33pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        It’s a tragedy, and sad to see a fair number of usually rational an intelligent people here on KB supporting the cover up of this disaster.
        
        So be it. I only ever say what I do out of concern for the country which I have adopted and love.
        
        I lived a rugged upbringing in a place that was poverty stricken and war torn. Most Kiwis would have no concept of how that life is. I survived it. I’ll survive this. But it’s a tragedy to witness this willingness to accept such blatant malfeasance and abuses inflicted on innocent fellow citizens.
        
        It explains much about how events in Germany in WW2 were permitted to evolve which many often ponder. There’s your answer.
        
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        September 8, 2023 8:23am
- Flossie
  
  What about the Maori Party?
  
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  September 7, 2023 8:25am
  - Kiwiguy
    
    On this poll TPM are down to 3%. ☺
    I hope their downward trend continues.
    
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    September 7, 2023 9:27am
    - gravedodger
      
      Doesn’t matter Kiwiguy they are heading for overhang.
      
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      September 7, 2023 9:49am
- rockape
  
  Doesn’t say how many polled, margine of error or minor parties. If National / ACT at on 47% they get half the seats so second election time unless as I would suspect, Winston sits on the cross benches. Or Nat NZ First Govern and ACT give confidence and supply.
  
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  September 7, 2023 8:25am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    Noted also the MSMs unanimous silence on this weeks Roy Morgan poll.
    
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    September 7, 2023 8:43am
    - NothingLeft
      
      Narratively inconvenient, so not to be reported. Labour’s made-up internal poll results however will be uncritically trumpeted.
      
      MSM are propagandists and liars.
      
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      September 7, 2023 12:28pm
  - Matt Long
    
    https://www.thepress.co.nz/a/politics/350068072/labour-slumps-new-poll-low-numbers-offer-some-comfort
    It’s not paywalled after all, I got the numbers off Mark Crofskey’s Facebook but here’s the link.
    Pollsters, Freshwater Strategies, sounds like a green freak organisation but apparently not.
    
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    September 7, 2023 8:44am
    - rockape
      
      Hard to believe ACT behind Greens, Not seen many polls this election saying that.
      
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      September 7, 2023 9:02am
      - KiWombat
        
        Stupidity does not appear to be confined to just one sex
        
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        September 7, 2023 9:10am
      - greybeard
        
        Also very hard to believe that 6 out of every 100 voters would choose NZF: I am in the right demographic group for this and I don’t know anyone at all who intends to vote for Winston.
        
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        September 7, 2023 10:04am
      - zulumonster
        
        I’m guessing this poll is Wellington centric … given it was commissioned by the Post ie. a Wellington based media outfit.
        Wellington is significantly more left leaning than normal New Zealanders …
        
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        September 7, 2023 10:11am
      - Dougal10
        
        Seymour is bleeding a few to Wynstone
        
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        September 7, 2023 10:13am
      - mawm
        
        Dougal – if Seymour wants to lead a party that is for individual choice and freedom then he needs to man up and apologise for his failure to stand up for his party’s principles and engage with those injured or who have lost a family member to the vaxx, their job or house. It looks like these people are heading Winston’s way because he is addressing it.
        
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        September 7, 2023 10:45am
      - Flossie
        
        I am also in the demographic Greybeard (probably moreso due to being female) but unfortunately I do know some contemporaries who do plan to vote for NZF. Misguided fools!
        
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        September 7, 2023 10:50am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        That will be due to Seymour’s idiotic statements about the jabs being safe and there being no excess all cause mortality in NZ when there provably is.
        
        Like it or not, there are a substantial group of voters who, like it or not, see this as a critical issue.
        
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        September 7, 2023 11:11am
      - NothingLeft
        
        Roy Morgan: 33% of women under 50 voting for Greens or Maori. 8.5% women over 50 voting for Winston. It appears NZ Women are intent on destroying the country.
        
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        September 7, 2023 12:32pm
    - Ruawai
      
      NZ First support will be coming from the people who chose not to vaccinate against covid and who lost jobs.
      
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      September 7, 2023 10:15am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Exactly. Apparently normally intelligent KBers get angry when they are told this. So be it.
        
        It is a fact and it is easily countered, but Seymour and Luxon refuse to take the required steps.
        
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        September 7, 2023 11:14am
      - wsk12345
        
        Yeah I’m thinking about it bc of Seymour pig headedness. I lost my job and for a time, important parts of my life.
        
        So I, normally an ACT voter, am thinking that Seymour may be even less trustworthy than Winston first
        
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        September 7, 2023 8:40pm
  - redeye
    
    Freshwater Strategy, interviewed 1511 eligible voters in New Zealand, aged 18 + online, between August 28-30. The margin of error is approximately +/ – 3%.
    
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    September 7, 2023 8:44am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Peters refuses to say if he would sit on the cross benches and support Labour, greens snd TPM, the bastard still can’t be trusted Rocky
    
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    September 7, 2023 11:14am
    - wsk12345
      
      He has said he will not support them in any way – about a week ago on twitter he was very clear.
      
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      September 7, 2023 8:42pm
- Scooter
  
  I hope that Hipkins along with Ardern will be forever vilified for their tone deaf comments about COVID, first Ardern with her “There will be 2 classes of citizens, jabbed and not” and Hipkins “There was no compulsory vaccination, people made their own choices”. The hypocrites they are say they are against discrimination. Hopefully a vote below 25% will give them their just desserts.
  
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  September 7, 2023 8:30am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Jail time no less than 10 years would be their just desserts.
    
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    September 7, 2023 11:15am
- Michael Sommerville
  
  And Winston’s pledge would be tested.
  
  These results are a little against the general trend so I take them with a grain of salt.
  
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  September 7, 2023 8:34am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    And the deluded only voting for covid saviours have all forgotten who the deputy pm was, snd who voted for the crimes against them, he was the foreign minister fFS, snd he shut the country down
    
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    September 7, 2023 11:18am
- kevn
  
  Polling… hmmm, remember the Trump polls way back?
  I think the gap between labour and Nact will be huge.
  
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  September 7, 2023 8:37am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Some lovely number fudging going on there!
  Another bit says Chippie could sway 12% of the voters.
  Do these idiots read the bullshit they write?
  
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  September 7, 2023 8:39am
  - kevn
    
    SteveO… What are the odds on labour ending up with an actual number beginning with a 1 (one) as in less than 20?
    Current 24 not that far away.
    
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    September 7, 2023 8:54am
    - rockape
      
      Still hold my three year view. NAT ACT 55%, others 45%.
      
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      September 7, 2023 9:06am
    - Matt Long
      
      Kevn, the puppet masters in Labour must casting about for a kind vacuous female, while Hapless Hipkins feels a cold sweat and worrying pressure around his collar.
      
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      September 7, 2023 9:12am
      - geoff3012
        
        Mahuta?
        
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        September 7, 2023 9:21am
      - gravedodger
        
        seppo? just needs a “Smily face”
        
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        September 7, 2023 9:52am
      - Flossie
        
        Okay Geoff, but what about a winning smile? And I’ve never seen Mahuta hug anyone so she probably wouldn’t get the gig.
        
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        September 7, 2023 10:09am
      - Dougal10
        
        Tova?
        
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        September 7, 2023 10:14am
      - Paulus
        
        Correct Labour will only accept a Woman ! Leader.
        Verrall appears to be a contender.
        She has the ingredients that Labour will support.
        She has a top Scientific Research background and is married to a woman.
        
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        September 7, 2023 2:14pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The other day it was Labour 24% and Act 18%.
      I think in 5 weeks Act will leave Labour in the dust.
      Maybe!
      
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      September 7, 2023 10:15am
      - Ghost
        
        I don’t. Act will be around 14, labour around or just below 30
        
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        September 7, 2023 10:17am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I have seen 5?electorate polls now, all held by Labour, and 4 has them in the teens, and Napier had thaw candidate in the low 20s
      
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      September 7, 2023 11:39am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  So you think 47% will not get them to parliament?
  
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  September 7, 2023 11:07am
  - Matt Long
    
    On the face of it G, I thought 47% would be a clear majority of seats, the text says otherwise. Not sure why.
    
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    September 7, 2023 12:16pm
- Mrs_Right
  
  NZF will not get in.
  
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  September 7, 2023 1:36pm
  - Ghost
    
    Yes they will, they’ve got the support and it’s growing, closing your eyes won’t stop that
    
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    September 7, 2023 1:52pm
- thirteenstars
  
  The Platform interviews Prof. Bryce Edwards about the legitimacy of the poll, from about 5:35
  
  https://theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/bryce-edwards-on-the-latest-polling
  
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  September 7, 2023 2:21pm
- AitchW
  
  When you take into account the votes burnt off on wasted votes for Brian Tamaki, Legalise Dope and the other fringe lunatics, 47% will easily be a majority.
  With the number of early votes already counted on election night we will know within minutes of the polls closing who will be our next government.
  
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  September 7, 2023 3:07pm
- Mobile Michael
  
  In Hipkins interview with Stuff he doesn’t deny that 26% is out of line with their own polling, something they’ve done in the past.
  
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  September 7, 2023 4:33pm
Ruahine

I wonder “where has all the money gone” and who actually got it.

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/more-900-million-support-m%C4%81ori-we-rebuild-together
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September 7, 2023 8:21am
- Dougal10
  
  Audi and range rover dealers have most of it.
  
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  September 7, 2023 10:16am
- Burtland
  
  well theres now $50M sitting in the Waipareira Trust
  
  https://twitter.com/CranmerWrites/status/1699497751476855034
  
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  September 7, 2023 10:21am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Co-Governance must be stopped. Labour and National are not informing the public.

Julian started his tour in February, 2023.

As soon as he started, the media morphed into a pack of dogs, trying to shut him down.

The Human Rights Commission have tried to shut him down.

Then the Electoral Commission.

Then the Disinformation Project.

Then the Charities Commission.

The accusations were free flowing
https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/latest-accusation-julian-batchelor-is-a-treaty-of-waitangi-conspiracy-theorist/
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September 7, 2023 8:24am
- sirknz
  
  Call it Koha Governance, because that’s exactly what it is.
  
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  September 7, 2023 9:11am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    People are just not comprehending this.
    The Coup is a real thing. Elite Tribal Tyranny.
    
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    September 7, 2023 10:20am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Nice.
    
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    September 7, 2023 10:43am
  - John Loveridge
    
    Corruption by any other name.
    
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    September 7, 2023 11:03am
Maggie Pie

Thomas Cranmer reveals John Tamihere’s ‘Waipareira Trust’ has amassed a $50M war chest….

https://twitter.com/CranmerWrites/status/1699497751476855034

In the words of Sitting-Bull ….HOW
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September 7, 2023 8:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  HOW, with your money.
  
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  September 7, 2023 8:43am
- kevn
  
  Maggie… Who else is seeing a very close resemblance between tamihere and Bish Tamaki?
  Similar mannerisms even.
  Same dodgy funded sh*t stirring agendas.
  
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  September 7, 2023 8:47am
  - Che Guava
    
    As my estimation of almost every public/political figure took a nose dive between about 2020 and 2022, my estimation of Brian Tamaki increased in proportion. You can write him off as an opportunist, but he was 100% right and all the others were wrong. When you look at who bad mouths Tamaki so fervently, while never criticising someone like Tamihere, it becomes quite obvious what the reality is, all agenda-driven rhetoric aside.
    
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    September 7, 2023 8:58am
  - RoboRob
    
    Tamaki uses the money of his followers, ‘freely’ given.
    
    Tamahere uses our money, forcefully taken, through various Maori agencies.
    
    Thats one big difference 🙂
    
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    September 7, 2023 9:15am
    - Colville
      
      Tamaki just tells his flock they will go to hell if they dont cough up the cash because they sure aint welcome in his church.
      
      Good old Christian charity in action.
      
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      September 7, 2023 9:26am
      - Che Guava
        
        I wonder what you freely spend your own money on?
        
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        September 7, 2023 10:25am
      - Local Miller
        
        Can you site a reference where he did this?
        
        Or is this just generic bad mouthing of Christians? I’ve been a Christian for near on 60 years and I’ve been to a wide veriaty of churches in this time, and I’ve NEVER had a church tell me I’m going to hell if I don’t donate.
        
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        September 7, 2023 11:33am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      ” various Maori agencies.” Care of the Waitangi Tribunal and their rogue Treaty.
      
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      September 7, 2023 10:23am
- Souvlaki
  
  So…if Seymour’s tweet in the above article is correct Maggie…is Tamihere/ Maori Party now not so subtlely threatening terrorism against us??
  
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  September 7, 2023 9:28am
- Yabster
  
  him and simple Willy (you can hear him in the background need to be held to account) – wish they had that debate in Chch- would have gone and would ask Tamihere when he is paying back the “loan”. I see he is also using the bogus scare tactic stating there’s going to be more Maori etc etc – what with 95% other ancestry? And there will be trouble if we don’t get our way- well fuck him- there will be trouble if you do short ass.
  
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  September 7, 2023 9:52am
- Ruawai
  
  Scary talk from Tamihere, similarities to ethnic cleansing and civil war. I am one of those Maoris and will never side with him!
  
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  September 7, 2023 10:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I just had a closer look at those balance sheets. A lot going on since 2017.
  HOW?
  
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  September 7, 2023 10:32am
- Local Miller
  
  When I hear Tamihere talk like that, and listening to Willy Jackson last night on HDPA’s Drive Time, I’m actually quite scared for what will happen after the election. I think the Maori radical is prepared to start a civil war to get what they want.
  Now that will push us to the absolute bottom of the tables.
  
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  September 7, 2023 11:40am
Maggy Wassilieff

How to make NZ fail

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/if-i-wanted-new-zealand-to-fail
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September 7, 2023 8:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It is well done. Julian Batchelor posted it on Stop Co-Governance Tuesday.
  It needs to get right out there to everyone.
  
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  September 7, 2023 8:47am
- Yabster
  
  Great video- share the link far and wide.
  
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  September 7, 2023 9:46am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Begin by dismantling Democracy! That is what will happen with Co-Governance.
  
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  September 7, 2023 10:36am
burt

Is anyone thinking they might follow James Shaw’s example and claim to have qualifications they don’t have because the only consequence for being caught is you are required to update your linked in profile and make jokes about it?
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September 7, 2023 8:30am
- KiWombat
  
  You can fool all of the people all of the time if the advertising is right and the budget is big enough.
  
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  September 7, 2023 8:35am
- Matt Long
  
  First you have to be on the left and guarded by the legacy media.
  If you were say a National party leader they would want your guts for garters.
  
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  September 7, 2023 8:52am
- Ruawai
  
  Shaws MSc from England also implies he was there for 3 years, March 2003 to March 2005, but this is actually only 2 years and not sure how you do a masters without an undergraduate degree or any science papers as he had been attempting a BA in NZ not a BSc.
  
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  September 7, 2023 10:28am
  - John Loveridge
    
    According to Shaw’s LinkedIn profile he has an “MSc in Responsibility and Business Practice.” It only takes a moment or two of Googling to find out that this is a part time course that comprises eight intensive, five-day residential workshops over two years.
    
    It is not an MSc as we know it. In fact I’m really surprised it can be given that label. Here’s one document I found that describes the course, circa Shaw’s time there:
    
    http://jmarshall.org.uk/Papers/2004%20Marshall%20MatchingFormtoContent.pdf
    
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    September 7, 2023 11:12am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      I think you might find the Bath MSc is 1 year and two semesters John. Odd though, that you need a 2|1 degree to qualify for it. Though I believe you can qualify for this particular qualification via an English test. So just another University pumping out qualifications that are a waste of space to make money.
      
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      September 7, 2023 12:21pm
      - John Loveridge
        
        It’s not an actual MSc, IVV. Take a look at page 4 in the PDF.
        
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        September 7, 2023 1:31pm
Southern Raider

Media seems to be doubling down on attacking ACT and National while allowing Hipkin’s to spin whatever bullshit and allegations he wants.
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September 7, 2023 8:30am
- RoboRob
  
  No questions from the media about the whether Labours costing around free dental work is realistic (hint its nowhere near the real cost and anyone with a brain knows it). No questions from the media on how it will be funded.
  
  This is just like Labours 100k kiwibuild homes. Media all in with it. Labour gets elected and then the media are like, ‘well obviously it was asperational rather then realistic’.
  
  Yup totally fair and balanced media.
  
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  September 7, 2023 9:19am
  - Ruawai
    
    Many dentists don’t take on govt subsidised under 18 ‘s because the subsidy doesn’t cover the cost unless they are wanting new patients. This will be the same for under 26’s and under 30’s.
    
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    September 7, 2023 10:30am
    - RoboRob
      
      Many people choose to delay dental work for as long as possible due to the cost. If Labour makes it free expect more people to use the service then they have budgeted for.
      
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      September 7, 2023 11:16am
      - Flossie
        
        They should bear in mind the dental treatment tax payers are going to cover is for basic stuff – x ray, clean, straightforward extractions and fillings.
        
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        September 7, 2023 1:03pm
- kowtow
  
  tv1 “news” last night was a major hit piece against Act .
  
  That’s fine but they never put Ardern under the blow torch.
  
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  September 7, 2023 10:06am
  - Mrs_Right
    
    I thought so too.
    
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    September 7, 2023 1:38pm
- David Garrett
  
  Southern: I notice distinct evidence of leftie journalist rats abandoning the sinking ship…This this morning from O’Brien, in response to Labour finally talking about enacting stalking laws with teeth:
  
  Asked why Labour is only doing this now and not during its six years in government,…
  
  Can you imagine her writing/asking that a year or even three months ago? Too funny.
  
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  September 7, 2023 10:22am
  - Matt Long
    
    DG, I presume you saw this poll for reinstating 3 Strikes? Only 16% oppose.
    https://familyfirst.org.nz/2023/09/04/media-release-only-1-in-6-oppose-three-strikes-law-poll/
    
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    September 7, 2023 10:58am
    - David Garrett
      
      Mattt; Yes I did…the major surprise in that poll was the level of support for it among the Greens
      
      Curia did a poll for SST about five years ago and that also showed 48% of Green supporters approved of it. I was so surprised I thought it was a typo…it wasn’t.
      
      So when Fa’afoi said in parliament “the people don’t like this law”, that was a bare faced lie…and he knew it.
      
      But then what else is new among this gang of fraudsters??
      
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      September 7, 2023 11:10am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Clearly One news poll on Monday
  
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  September 7, 2023 11:41am
k1w1

Re the pledge for free dental by Labour, I see Chippy is forced to admit, when confirming it also applies to millionaires, that millionaires PAY MORE TAX. What an effing hypocrite.
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September 7, 2023 8:33am
Frank the tank

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/132890096/police-seize-21m-worth-of-assets-and-cash-from-senior-gang-member

Isn’t this the same gang that got millions of dollars of taxpayer funding? If so it is interesting the senior member hasn’t been named – is it the same individual that indicated the gang had moved away from criminal activities?
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September 7, 2023 8:34am
- gravedodger
  
  Yep yip Frank that is what it is . That woman gave HB Mongrels 2.7 million to gt their soldiers off the Meth they deal so only around half a Milli0n still missing?
  
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  September 7, 2023 10:00am
Maggy Wassilieff

I’ve always fancied an STD, but as I’m not a Micky Doo, I s’pose I’d have to settle for a DD.

(In response to burt)
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September 7, 2023 8:35am
- David Garrett
  
  Mags: I am missing something here…I’m sure it’s not a Sexually Transmitted Disease you have always wanted?!
  
  Re that, did you notice they are now STI’s? infection sounds much less “confronting” than disease.
  
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  September 7, 2023 8:42am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Sacrae Theologiae Doctor….. (Doctor of Sacred Theology). (Roman Catholic equivalent of Doctor of Divinity, I gather)
    
    p.s…. I’m sure it was VD in my day….
    
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    September 7, 2023 8:50am
  - greybeard
    
    A friend of mine told me she once had an STI.
    I replied that I never knew she was into Subarus.
    
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    September 7, 2023 10:10am
Grunter

The critical scams being played out in front of your eyes…. Be aware and get ready for how you respond.

Don’t read anything that the MSM coughs up on any of the top 5 Big Issues.

1. Co-Governance in NZ/Maori Separatism
2. Global Boiling/Stop Oil
3. Global Debt & Money Printing
4. Covid/Next Global Pandemic
5. USA war mongering – Ukraine, Russia, China….
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September 7, 2023 8:39am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  6) Articles relating to upcoming election in NZ.
  Oh, I suspect you meant ‘believe’, not ‘read’.
  
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  September 7, 2023 1:03pm
In Vino Veritas

I note that the Directors of Whakaari Management Limited charged by Worksafe over the White Island tragedy, have had the charges dismissed. And rightly so. Worksafe have been roundly slapped by Judge Thomas who noted that “WorkSafe New Zealand had not gathered or presented potentially relevant and important evidence about what was occurring within the Board”. Given this was apparently the most complex investigation Worksafe have undertaken, you’d sort of expect that they would do it competently. But alas, same old, same old. On White Island, it was a disaster waiting to happen. Years ago, wife and I went over there in a chopper. We got lucky with wind direction and were able to land with the crater smoking quite solidly. Our pilot was a vulcanologist and wouldn’t let us get anywhere near the crater edge. When I pointed out footprints in the ashes heading toward the crater, he said Maori boat operators take their customers up to crater. He invited me to touch a car sized rock about 50m in front of us. It was bloody hot to touch and you could see where it had hit the ground and rolled to where it was. Someone was always going to cop it, as most of the operators just used “it hasn’t blown at this warning level yet” rationale.
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September 7, 2023 8:40am
- Blog-aholic
  
  GNS Need to answer some serious questions in court.
  As I understand it GNS had stopped its staff going to the island because they were concerned about their safety. Oddly enough that concern never permeated its way through to either the Buttles, their company nor to any operators taking anyone to the island at that time.
  GNS are the government organisation that sets the alert levels and yet could not seemingly alert anyone to thir concerns…..
  
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  September 7, 2023 9:22am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    I reckon the operators should be accountable. It’s up to them to decide whether to go or not based on information available. They should have been in contact with GNS twice a day as PART of their risk assessment. I would say though, it is impossible to mitigate against all risk of an eruption on White Island. All potential visitors should understand they could die over there.
    
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    September 7, 2023 10:25am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      What beats me is the rescues were stopped. People were left to die. The helicopter pilots were quite comfortable with going back – the wind was blowing the opposite way.
      Boats stopped? Fair enough, but helicopters are in and out in no time.
      
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      September 7, 2023 11:26am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Steve, there are only a few places safe to land. The pilots may have been OK with going out, but rock debris coming out of the crater doesn’t mind a bit of wind. Someone always has to make shit decisions on peoples lives. Like, I can send a chopper and a pilot over there, to what might be his|her death, to try and rescue a person or people that may or may not be alive. And even if they are rescued, may well die. Do I risk it? It’s a bitch. I’ve been to White Island when it was at alert level 2 (it went to 4 a day later), and have choppered around the Kilauea vents while they were spewing in Hawaii. Same trip we were near a spot on the coast when lava broke through into the sea and the explosion was out there. They are not safe places to be.
        
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        September 7, 2023 12:45pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Not safe places sure, but the pilots were keen to do it.
        They would have known the dangers. Who was in control and stopped them?
        
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        September 7, 2023 1:08pm
- RoboRob
  
  Worksafe took the operators to court as a PR move.
  
  People wanted blood and worksafe focused people on the operators, rather than the lax regulation from….. worksafe.
  
  A bit like pike river, where everyone went after the managers to take attention away from the green movment and unions who both had a hand in the issue.
  
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  September 7, 2023 9:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Worksafe are in the business of putting small businesses out of business.
    I have met them at the workshop I worked in. We complied.
    Then the arsehole started blowing his arse about closing a workshop over in Henderson. The attitude!
    
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    September 7, 2023 10:56am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Used to sail past WI on various coastal voyage.
  
  Always passed well to windward and at least 2 miles off.
  
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  September 7, 2023 9:52am
kowtow

How to get cliamte “research” published .

‘To put it bluntly, climate science has become less about understanding the complexities of the world and more about serving as a kind of Cassandra, urgently warning the public about the dangers of climate change. However understandable this instinct may be, it distorts a great deal of climate science research, misinforms the public, and most importantly, makes practical solutions more difficult to achieve.’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12482921/climate-scientist-patrick-brown-wildfires-started-people.html
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September 7, 2023 8:42am
oldpark

Just beyond comprehension .The anti NZ Farmer Green Party. With all their schisms and heresies attacking the Food Production of such a hard working Farming Community .
NZ owes much of their existence well being and lifestyle based on the massive financial input of $26,000,000,000 Billion Dollars earned by Farming Community Exports .
Yet here we have Two smaller parties as such .
ACT Party v Green Party in latest Poll.
ACT Party representing what is good for NZ should they be elected. Polling two points behind the Commie Greens .
Green Party Hell bent on destruction on kneecapping Farming and Exports to the benefit of so called Climate Change .
Seems to quote someone I heard say recently or words to that affect . .
Some NZs would rather die from “starvation” by making sure food lines out of NZ are weakened or disrupted.
In the advent of being” burnt” to death in a future date to be determined with “Global Warming” .
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September 7, 2023 8:47am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Had a laugh last night as on TV3 as the ‘reporters’ were both grumbling about climate change and damgge done by agriculture and at the same time saying we were winning a trade war against Canada in respect to our Diary products and how that was a great thing …..lol’d and lol’d.
  
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  September 7, 2023 9:26am
  - Gravelroad
    
    They just have no idea.
    How come they can see and judge a negative connection between agriculture and climate change- but can’t see a positive connection between agriculture and export earnings that pay for their schools and hospitals?
    
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    September 7, 2023 11:01am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Export earnings are how we can import stuff.
      Internal earnings don’t count – that is just money being moved internally.
      
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      September 7, 2023 11:31am
    - NothingLeft
      
      NZD is plummeting. Maybe they’ll eventually wake up when they can’t afford a new Iphone
      
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      September 7, 2023 12:40pm
kiwikidsnz

In that theme:
https://womensagenda.com.au/life/womens-health-news/six-pregnancy-terms-you-probably-wont-hear-again-including-high-risk-and-failed/

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-quiet-shift-to-more-inclusive-pregnancy-language-and-the-long-road-toward-systemic-change/VH3OIWB7NQ5LLA24N5XIQVTKRY/
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September 7, 2023 8:51am
- Notsofast
  
  Note the Herald article is one year old, which is a long time in the gender field. The Australian woman notes that if you can cope with pregnancy you might consider coping with being called a mother.
  
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  September 7, 2023 9:33am
- Yabster
  
  what a load of bullshit and thats from a Dr – only woman can get pregnant end of.
  
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  September 7, 2023 9:45am
Rusty

In NZ there is a psychic banning another psychic from psyching in their area.

What a joke.
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September 7, 2023 8:52am
Local Miller

Here’s a thought following on from Alwyn’s NEET post of yesterday.
I’d consider voting for a party that made education a part of a crims sentence.
Something like a minimum of 6 hours a day spent in literacy, maths, trades, sciences, technical drawing, practical finance, etc. Only courses that have value in terms of employment and making your way in the real world, maybe also a “civics” type class where they teach social skills, history, political structures.
Small classes and compulsory, no exceptions, no work means no parole. Everyone gets assessed and slotted in at their current level and with an age appropriate group.
Yes it would be expensive, and certainly not easy to implement, but the long term benefits would be massive. Anyone with a sentence of over 1 year would come out with some significant skill set and could then be fed into a employment/release program, potentially as a part of their sentence, or there could even be early release options for high achievement.
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September 7, 2023 8:57am
- Flossie
  
  Same as for dentists – where are these additional professionals to come from? Aren’t we short of qualified teachers as it is?
  Having said that, it’s not a bad idea Miller.
  
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  September 7, 2023 9:09am
  - cmm
    
    We’re not talking about high level teaching here. We’re talking about teaching basic literacy and numeracy.
    
    Anyone with third grade can teach second grade.
    
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    September 7, 2023 5:14pm
- Mark Hanley
  
  Bill English advocated reducing sentences if prisoners learned to read.
  
  No Brainer
  
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  September 7, 2023 9:11am
  - Notsofast
    
    In 2002 a multiparty group traveled the world and came back saying teach phonetic reading immediately.
    Trevor Mallard as education minister told them they were wrong. But they were right.
    There is no such thing as dyslexia according to a phonics teacher I spoke to, she had not had a failure from her small practice teaching 4 year olds.
    It is an epic tragedy that something so easy has been savaged by ideologues.
    
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    September 7, 2023 11:18am
    - cmm
      
      ” there is no such thing as dyslexia according to a phonics teacher I spoke to”
      
      There bloody well is. I am dyslexic, but not very badly so.
      
      I had to give up a second language at university because I just could not read it.
      
      I can’t read long numbers with repeated digits etc.
      For example I can’t tell the difference between 10000 and 100000 unless I mask the number off and count each character individually.
      
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      September 7, 2023 5:19pm
      - wsk12345
        
        Everyone does that with such numbers.
        
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        September 7, 2023 9:16pm
- Colville
  
  With respect, its an interesting idea but how are you going to get these people to comply? they didnt at school because they come from deeply dysfunctional families who place zero value on education and now you want to lock them in a room with a bunch of others who are similarly dysfunctional and violent and have similar drug habits. Attention span measured in minutes.
  
  and who would be stupid enough to try to teach them? the teacher will end up dead.
  
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  September 7, 2023 9:33am
  - NothingLeft
    
    AI tutors will be widely available in a year or two – and will be in most respects smarter and more creative and patient than average teacher. They will completely revolutionise education.
    
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    September 7, 2023 10:59am
  - Local Miller
    
    I didn’t say I have all the answers, hence my saying it won’t be easy to implement. but it’s the concept that is important.
    Some ways to get compliance – If you don’t cooperate in “class” you lose privileges. If you want early parole, behave in class.
    Yes, getting teachers may be difficult, but there are already people who work with prisoners on a volunteer basis, so there’s a start.
    If we throw the idea out because of the obstacles, we’ll never solve the problems. And it’s too late to to only tackle these problems through those who are still youngsters in school because the pool of older people with educational and crime problems is so big, we need to tackle it in prison as well.
    
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    September 7, 2023 12:04pm
    - Mark Hanley
      
      Local. Good on you for thinking about and providing a SENSIBLE solution.
      
      The upside of Kiwiblog is critics identify problems.
      
      The downside is many of the critics go on to denigrate solutions.
      
      The solution critics do not poffer better or alternative solutions, they just highlight roadblocks.
      
      Everyone should know there are challenges providing solutions.
      
      People should also know problem solving is key when implementing solutions.
      
      And last but not least, People should know spending all your time on KB criticizing won’t solve any problems.
      
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      September 7, 2023 3:29pm
WaynelSexton

Chris Hipkins is right, you had a choice. Maybe next time instead of choosing to go to the pub, you go out an find a new job.
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September 7, 2023 8:59am
Matt Long

How’re those government carbon auctions going since Labour changed the rules and derailed them last year?
Not so well despite the court case that forced Labour to follow their own rules.
Fake markets made by untrustworthy acters make for cautious buyers.
https://www.interest.co.nz/economy/124154/entire-year%E2%80%99s-supply-carbon-units-will-be-offered-years-final-ets-auction-and-will
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September 7, 2023 9:02am
- Matt Long
  
  Still, it’s only a billion dollars of additional borrowing for the government, chump change really.
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/132885845/carbon-credit-auction-fails-again-depriving-treasury-of-about-900-million
  
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  September 7, 2023 9:06am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Lets not forget the $10 Billion Treasury and the Reserve Bank have lost, oh wait, everyone has…
    https://croakingcassandra.com/2023/04/15/understanding-lsap-losses/
    
    https://croakingcassandra.com/2023/06/28/the-10bn-amendment/
    
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    September 7, 2023 2:55pm
Im Right

I see the Greens election tactic is simply ‘shut up and don’t talk’
Prior to election season they have an opinion on everything and happy to let the MSM know all about it.
Election time….crickets chirping.
And strangely enough all singing from same ‘environmental’ song sheet…and somehow that lifts their poll numbers, sheeshhh!
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September 7, 2023 9:16am
- RoboRob
  
  Part of the Greens ‘lift’ is disaffected Labour voters fleeing to other ‘left’ parties. Greens always show higher in polls then on the day, I expect this to be doubly true this year. Labour voters will say ‘Im voting Green’ when surveyed but on they day will they go and vote?
  
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  September 7, 2023 9:49am
  - rockape
    
    Maybe they don’t vote due to disappointment.
    
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    September 7, 2023 10:31am
- rockape
  
  They are gaining votes from the lefties wanting a wealth tax.
  
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  September 7, 2023 10:33am
KiWombat

Mrs W went to bed last night telling me that she needed her beauty sleep, when I saw her 30 minutes ago it still hadn’t worked !
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September 7, 2023 9:16am
- kevn
  
  @Kiw… Best you tell her..
  
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  September 7, 2023 10:28am
  - greybeard
    
    Yes, go on KiW, tell her. We all dare you….
    
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    September 7, 2023 11:13am
- Local Miller
  
  Have you got a death wish?
  
  Isn’t this the second comment like this you’ve made this week? Taking your life in your own hands. If we notice you stop posting in the next few days we’ll know what happened and send the police to investigate.
  
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  September 7, 2023 12:08pm
  - KiWombat
    
    I don’t think she is plugged in
    
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    September 7, 2023 12:55pm
    - Local Miller
      
      If she sees your comments it’s going to be hard turning her on, whether she’s plugged in or not 🙂
      
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      September 7, 2023 2:47pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Description is in the link.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/discussions-of-coalition-between-act-and-national-get-testy-as-policy-gulf-grows/ar-AA1gjI4K
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September 7, 2023 9:37am
- Local Miller
  
  The line under the article heading says it all “Story by Lloyd Burr”.
  
  It’s really a story and not based on fact. He basically asked DS a bunch of questions and asked CL a bunch of questions and because there were differences in their answers concluded negotiations are “testy”.
  
  He’s just trying to undermine the idea of a National/ACT coalition. What do you expect from Lloyd Burr
  
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  September 7, 2023 12:15pm
Maggie Pie

Now that James Shaw has been outed as never having gained a BA as he claimed on his Linkedin Profile, should attention now be turned to Labor’s Damien O’connor, and the misinformation provided on his Official Parliamentary Bio?

Come on Damien…… time to update that photo!

http://www.parliament.nz/en/mps-and-electorates/members-of-parliament-oconnor-damien/
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September 7, 2023 9:39am
- David Garrett
  
  The link doesn’t work Maggie
  
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  September 7, 2023 10:10am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    https://www.parliament.nz/en/mps-and-electorates/members-of-parliament/oconnor-damien/
    
    (tried to fix it but trouble with slow reloading)
    
    What a LOL 😀
    
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    September 7, 2023 10:22am
kevn

Everyone listened to Leighton Smith #210 ?
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1049-the-leighton-smith-podcas-30246213/episode/leighton-smith-podcast-episode-210–122574037/#
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September 7, 2023 10:26am
- mawm
  
  His #209 episode with Prof James Allen is also very good.
  
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  September 7, 2023 2:32pm
Chuck Bird

David Seymour on the New Zealand Elections 2023 | ACT Party Election Campaign Policies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QO1-qjt6Rc
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September 7, 2023 10:46am
Maggie Pie

Should we be concerned with this headline?

‘Cut-Price Electric Car Brand From China
Evaluating Launch In New Zealand’

– StuffNZ. Sept6. 2023

Given the Chinese have literally hundreds-of-thousands new EV’s rotting away in fields over there (thanks to CCP subsidies)… it makes you wonder if they might simply undertake a re-badging exercise and then unload them on us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SEfwoqKRU8

They’re not silly 🙁
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September 7, 2023 11:07am
- I remember when
  
  “literally hundreds-of-thousands new EV’s rotting away in fields’
  
  And not just China, the EU, UK, and USA, according to reports.
  
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  September 7, 2023 11:32am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Yep. new sales have died.
    In the US, ICE inventory is lasting 52 days whilst EVs are taking over 100 days to sell.
    They had a stellar couple of years but its just dropped dramatically this year.
    You have to wonder how big the market actually is for EVs
    They aren’t cheap, charging is an issue, the range is limited, they depreciate like nothing else, are expensive to fix and parts can be hard to get.
    You have an accident and they write them off, get salt water or moisture in them and they burst into flames- how long before Ins Premiums reflect that.
    I think an EV is fine for local use and as a second car but otherwise, nah.
    
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    September 7, 2023 2:50pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Incredible, and it is all about profit.
  
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  September 7, 2023 1:02pm
- kevn
  
  Maggie… Japs already laughing at all the half dead well used EV cars being imported to NZ.
  Getting rid of their rubbish.
  
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  September 7, 2023 1:03pm
Jethrod

The making of paper is a dirty business. The pulp that goes into it is the result of use of vast amounts of water, chemicals to assist in the breakdown of the fibres and a lot of heat to eventually dry it.
Paper is not the miracle product.
The small paper mill in Auckland uses approximately half a percent of Aucklands water daily, the residue going to the Auckland sewers to be recycled.
Auckland uses around 400 million litres of water per day. You do the math
Kinleith mill has very large settling ponds before the resulting water is returned to the Waikato River.
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September 7, 2023 11:27am
- I remember when
  
  Lucky we have largely replaced plastic bags with paper bags in the fruit and vegetable departments at Supermarkets.
  
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  September 7, 2023 11:34am
  - Matt Long
    
    Paper bags that fall apart when you try to use them, another little nudge from the supermarket to buy reusable bags.
    I wonder how big a % loose fruit and vegetables have fallen by in supermarket sales?
    75% in our household.
    
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    September 7, 2023 12:11pm
I remember when

Is ‘colonialisation’ not the real problem but the actual problem is failure to fully integrate ‘colonialisation.’
For example, would Maori achieve better health outcomes if they accepted the need for regular health checks?
Are Maori remedies the answer, or should they be considered part of a wellness approach?
Is the danger, that the use of Maori traditional treatments may result in delays going to the doctor?

Why do Asians, for example, make such a big thing of family members becoming doctors?
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September 7, 2023 11:27am
- Ghost
  
  Maori health are used along side other treatments. But part of Maori health services are massage and adjustments. Not unique to Maori practices and used for a long time. Herbal medicine again not unique. My GP is an oldest doctor that prefers to use old remedies where he can than medicine. Maori also use spiritual, again not unique to Maori health.
  
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  September 7, 2023 11:41am
  - Swifty
    
    In all your postings on this topic you’ve not once answered that central question of whether taxpayer money should be used to fund unproven treatments, and if so, exactly why?
    
    You have just repeated the line that ‘others do it too’.
    
    Would you care to have a go?
    
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    September 7, 2023 11:51am
    - Ghost
      
      Acc covers massage acupuncture, chiropractic, counseling, these are part of Maori treatment. Not sure they cover Maori herbal medicine.
      
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      September 7, 2023 12:11pm
      - Swifty
        
        There you go again.
        
        You’ve a real blind spot on this issue.
        
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        September 7, 2023 12:16pm
      - Ghost
        
        Ah no, I’m saying that things you are moaning that are funded under Māori health have been funded by acc for a while now, or is it just because it has the word Māori in it you don’t want it to get the same funding as others get for slivering the same thing.
        
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        September 7, 2023 12:42pm
      - Ghost
        
        Ah, sorry, getting names confused, my head is mixed up today with a bad histamine dump the last few days. Spent last night in the ED because it had given me a high heart rate,
        
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        September 7, 2023 6:27pm
      - Swifty
        
        Whoooooosh!
        
        I give up. You clearly either have a comprehension problem or you are deliberately evading my explicitly worded question to you.
        
        And it is YOU that keeps mentioning Maori, whereas I never have. You are projecting on to me a racial motivation that I do not deserve and have not invited with my arguments.
        
        You are sounding desperate now.
        
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        September 7, 2023 1:44pm
      - Swifty
        
        Sorry, what?
        
        “Are Maori remedies the answer, or should they be considered part of a wellness approach?
        Is the danger, that the use of Maori traditional treatments may result in delays going to the doctor?”
        
        Are you suggesting I wrote that? Really?
        
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        September 7, 2023 2:36pm
      - Swifty
        
        It’s bad form to delete your original comment Ghost.
        
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        September 7, 2023 7:09pm
      - Ghost
        
        I didn’t delete it. It was there when I replied to you
        
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        September 7, 2023 7:19pm
      - Swifty
        
        Well where has it gone then?
        
        Odd that it has just magically disappeared.
        
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        September 7, 2023 7:26pm
  - I remember when
    
    Spirituality is the broad concept of a belief in something.
    “Wellness,” to me, falls into this category as you feel it is good for you, without necessarily having the science to prove it.
    
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    September 7, 2023 2:01pm
- mandk
  
  The answer to your first question is, no.
  
  What Maori need to do is stop smoking, stop hazardous drinking, and stop using methamphetamine. They do all those things at 2-3 times the average for all NZers (source: NZ Health Survey).
  
  The answer to your second question is also, no. Would you rely on settlers’ 19th century folk remedies, if you were seriously ill?
  
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  September 7, 2023 4:30pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Let the games begin!

https://redbloodedconservative.com/2023/09/06/kim-jong-un-and-putin-get-chatty-about-weapons/
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September 7, 2023 11:45am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

How cheeky can he get?

https://americanpeopledaily.com/theteapartydaily/zelensky-willing-to-hold-elections-but-only-if-the-us-and-other-allies-foot-the-bill/
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September 7, 2023 11:49am
Ghost

Until a few weeks ago our hospital had a security guard, seems the Māori name health board has got rid of them. He was a nice guy, would help people out of and into their cars, wheel them inside in a wheelchair if they needed one.

Senior doctors are calling for 24-hour security staff across all emergency departments (EDs) as violence increases.

It comes as police callouts to hospitals and other clinics for harassment and threatening behaviour have nearly doubled in four years.

The Australasian College for Emergency Medicine (ACEM) said providing security would not only keep people safe but also free up medical staff to focus on delivering care.

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September 7, 2023 12:32pm
Maggie Pie

“Labor says it will crack down on crime if re-elected”

– ZBNews @ 12.30pm

Oh FFS Raylene!!
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September 7, 2023 12:37pm
DeepBlue

Labour are gaslighting the nation. With all the Conservative policies being released are we to believe the last 6 year’s ideology did not exist?
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September 7, 2023 12:50pm
Maggie Pie

A friend txts…..

“Why wasn’t this dirty pr!ck deported?”

OLA driver, Sajid Mehmood, convicted of sexually assaulting two women passengers, is sentenced to community work.

https://news.co.nz/2023/09/06/victim-speaks-out-after-ola-driver-sentenced-over-indecent-assaults/

As I said to Prue…another dudge that’s well past his ubd.
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September 7, 2023 1:00pm
- Ghost
  
  Did you read this? no thought for the real victims, F off
  
  In addition to permanent name suppression, defence lawyer Gul Qaisrani sought a discharge without conviction, arguing that “naming and shaming” him would create four other victims – his wife and children.
  
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  September 7, 2023 1:14pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    No, hadn’t seen that G.
    
    I see they’ve included 2 photo’s in the HORRID report….don’t know which one we should be most concerned about 🙁
    
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    September 7, 2023 2:22pm
Ghost

Damn, Waka Kotahi won’t even give actually answers to councils

Timaru’s mayor wants answers from Waka Kotahi after a request for more information on roading projects was met with an unsatisfactory response – described by one councillor as a “lot of waffle”.

Speaking at Tuesday’s Timaru District Council Infrastructure Committee meeting, mayor Nigel Bowen suggested using legislation to obtain the information.

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September 7, 2023 1:10pm
Ghost

Good. Keep him in there

The driver jailed for killing five of his teenage mates in a horror car crash near Timaru claims he “will forever be sorry about what happened” but the Parole Board have questioned whether he is “truly remorseful”.

Tyreese Stuart Fleming, 20, will try for a second time this month to get an early release from prison after being turned down by the Parole Board in May.

Javarney Wayne Drummond, 15, Niko William Hill, 15, Jack “Jacko” Wallace, 16, Joseff “Joey” McCarthy, 16, and Andrew Goodger, 15, were all killed when the Nissan Bluebird they were travelling in smashed into a concrete power pole on August 6 2021.

The impact was so severe, it sliced the car in half.

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September 7, 2023 1:16pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  The name Tyreese sums it up in a nutshell.
  
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  September 7, 2023 2:09pm
  - greybeard
    
    Another candidate for the Warriors.
    
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    September 7, 2023 6:20pm
Observant Octagenarian

Listening to Newstalk ZB afternoon session, political editor Jason Walls talked about Chris Luxon refusing to rule in or out working with Winston Peters.
Said Jason, “In my opinion, Luxon should be held to account for not telling the public his view”.
My question is why do reporters express their personal opinions, instead of simply ‘reporting the news’.
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September 7, 2023 1:44pm
- fernglas
  
  Because they are now taught at journalism school that their job is not to report, but to influence. This is because journalists, like politicians, are mildly educated people who want to boss other people round because they think they know better. Small people who would rather criticise what others do than get out and do it themselves. Vain people who thing anyone who doesn’t share their opinion is wrong and therefore should be ignored or belittled. Shallow people who can’t go beyond the superficial in order to court the attention they crave.
  
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  September 7, 2023 3:29pm
Maggie Pie

Here we go guys, as I promised yesterday…. WATCH

Tucker Carlson with over 5 million views in the last few hours!

“Larry Sinclair says he had a night of crack-cocaine fuelled sex with Barrack Obama, and the next night he came back for more”

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1699543001473900670

Will it lead OneEwes tonite?
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September 7, 2023 2:37pm
- Vory v zakone
  
  Lol! Maggie that’s just the start of the exposure of Bathhouse Barry and Big Mike. ( He TWICE referred to his ‘wife’ as Michael on video)
  
  And this also on X…
  https://twitter.com/TAftermath2020/status/1699548142864396416?t=5URIS1z-E4AEkc5O-KJIJw&s=19
  
  #thebestisyettocome 😅🤣
  
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  September 7, 2023 2:49pm
- cmm
  
  John Key’s BFF gets a lot of protection in NZ.
  
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  September 7, 2023 4:10pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Seems highly unlikely. As with Justice Kavanaugh witch-hunt and Trump’s recent Kafkaesque ‘rape’ trial there is no corroboration, and no penalty for people making false allegations – which they derive fame and income from. The system such as it is has clear rewards for liars making accusation of sexual impropriety against the rich and powerful.
  
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  September 7, 2023 8:30pm
Maggie Pie

My partner was saying ‘BLACKROCK’ will be opening an office here in Auckland by the end of the year. Wonders if we might see Cindy working on Reception?
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September 7, 2023 4:15pm
- Vory v zakone
  
  Sure looks like it…
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/new-blackrock-office-to-take-nz-presence-up-a-gear
  
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  September 7, 2023 4:29pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Yip.
  
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  September 7, 2023 4:37pm
- RoboRob
  
  She wouldn’t be qualified for that sort of position.
  
  PR, maybe, anything else nope.
  
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  September 7, 2023 5:00pm
- cmm
  
  Why?
  There’s no need to open an office and spend up on all that expensive real estate etc.
  They already have 50% of the public servants acting as unpaid (by them) serfs. Surely that’s good enough?
  
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  September 7, 2023 5:07pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Way above her capabilities.
  
  If they make her a director they may end up in a Shipley or Graham situation.
  
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  September 7, 2023 7:53pm
kevn

labour idiocy… headline says it all. They are just burning the house down now.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/national-on-33m-auckland-light-rail-building-deal-a-shocker/UWB4LFHVNBDEDO7MPYRQIWFYVI/
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September 7, 2023 6:36pm
- Ghost
  
  Won’t be the first, I expect national are going to find a few things like this
  
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  September 7, 2023 7:17pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  YIP! My partner was saying a commercial REA he deals with told him they paid at least 5m over the odds! Monies no object of course. Someone’s laufghing all the way to the bank.
  No wonder the likes of Sir BJ loves it when Labor gets in 🙂
  
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  September 7, 2023 7:24pm
Swifty

More Labour lies:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300966386/labour-removes-false-advertising-over-public-transport-for-disabled-people
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September 7, 2023 7:23pm
Ghost

Bad when their own polling company is showing they are screwed

Labour has dropped to a new low in the latest Talbot Mills Corporate Poll, falling to 30 per cent, down from 32 last month, one of its worst scores in that poll since it went into government in 2017.

National is on 36 per cent, up one point. The Greens are also up, hitting 12 per cent, up two points.

Act has fallen one point to 10 per cent.

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September 7, 2023 7:28pm
rockape

Of the last 9 polls on wiki three have Labour with a 3 in front. All three ar3 Labours “ leaked” polls Strange isn’t it !
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September 7, 2023 7:39pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Not true: last three polls on wiki have labour at 24, 26, 30
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2023_New_Zealand_general_election
  
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  September 7, 2023 8:26pm
rockape

Read what I said. Did I mention the last three? I said of the last nine ,three have Labour in the thirties and all were leaked by Labours own polsters.All others that is the other 6 have Labour in the twenties. Labour it seems only leak the better polls for them I have heard from a Labour staffer that at least one of their internals are around 22%.
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September 7, 2023 9:15pm
- rockape
  
  Seems Hipkins in an interview with Tova has just confirmed whatI said.
  
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