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The Redbaiter

I saw little in the comments section of Kiwiblog yesterday on the fact that after all Mr Luxon’s efforts to get Nzers to “know him”, he’s actually dropped National’s vote back to 30%.

So many people writing here and elsewhere about how he’s actually different in person to what the media portray him as. It doesn’t seem to be an accurate claim.

Leaving aside his unappealing personality, Mr Luxon’s OCD on Net Zero and his failure to take a clear stand on co-governance are probably at the root of his unpopularity. He could fix it, but he apparently doesn’t want to.

And its not just Mr Luxon who has an unappealing personality. Willis and Bishop are just as bad. They all come across as very ambitious without the talent to back it up.

No matter. As long as Labour is gone, and we have a center right govt of ACT and National it is some comfort. However with NZ First coming into the mix, who knows? Whatever, this uncertainty is all down to the Nats plan to suck up to the left rather than take a stand for the principles their party once stood for.

Poor campaign. Bishop should be sacked.
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September 6, 2023 8:00am
- Random T Person
  
  Agree on Luxon. Spineless where it matters; was watching Goldsmith on The Working Group livestream last night and thought…what, exactly, does National stand for? Almost EXACTLY ‘Labour, but we’re better accountants’ was all that emerged. Seymour was by FAR the best of the master debaters, clear policy, clear aspiration, clear POINT OF DIFFERENCE. National is woke green teal whatever piss weak ‘we’ll do what the polls tell us’. Lame ASF.
  
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  September 6, 2023 9:19am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yeah anti three waters, anti co governance in services, ending Māori health authority, ending Māori wards in councils, anti bums not being made to work where you fools get that they are the same is a pathetic joke, sounds like you have been listening to they idiot Tamaki
    
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    September 6, 2023 9:40am
    - septic skeptic
      
      3 waters gone but te Mata arowai or whatever retained? Pipa Mahuta gone or not? Co-governance gone in services only (not assets?) Maori health suthority gone – but replaced with whatexactly?
      
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      September 6, 2023 10:20am
    - Random T Person
      
      If there’s a fool in here blinded to any contrary word, G, I’m putting it at the one who can barely make himself understood. If you want to call others fools for having a different view, I suggest you at least master the ability to string together a coherent sentence.
      
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      September 6, 2023 10:27am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        No-one is upset about different views but unwarranted and uninformed personal attacks (using multiple KB monikers) are boring and pointless.
        
        Christopher Luxon’s class is shining. He is assured in front of the despicable NZ media and, with the patience of a Saint, repeats the same answer 10 times as reporters with a much lower IQ than Luxon try unsuccessfully to outwit him.
        
        Luxon has built a formidable team which will get stronger with many new quality National candidates soon to enter parliament.
        
        Quite a contrast to Seymour who has some great policies (TOW REFERENDUM) but lacks the management experience, track record, and high quality team required to successfully implement long term change.
        
        A larger team is already challenging Seymour with ACT candidates getting caught out by the low iq despicable nz media.
        
        My pick is National will get high 40s as the National campaign builds to a crescendo for the election.
        
        ACT will bleed votes to national but will still have their strongest representation in parliament so well done to Seymour for that achievement.
        
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        September 6, 2023 1:22pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        @MarkHanley I threw up a little in my mouth reading that.
        
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        September 6, 2023 4:40pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Random.
        
        Get the baby wipes in because if Luxons March to success makes you ill,..
        
        you’ll be pooping your pants in October.
        
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        September 6, 2023 5:47pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Short, simple sentences.
      
      Why not put them on the pledge card then?
      
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      September 6, 2023 12:39pm
      - Ghost
        
        Everything people want on the pledge card would turn it into a book
        
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        September 6, 2023 1:27pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Oh sure. Priorities in other words.
        
        And now I know what National’s priorities are – and in the same way that Net Zero will kill most of the rest of the pledge card, so to will allowing any of this racist, ethno-nationalist crap to continue to exist in even the mildest forms – because then it’s just waiting for the next Labour government to breath life back into it.
        
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        September 6, 2023 1:58pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        How is net zero bad for nz of it is done right?
        
        Domestic clean energy will certainly help our alarming balance of trade.
        
        Luxon has a plan and if you listen and think, it might just make sense.
        
        Quite different from aderns and hipkins coal burning whilst subsidizing the luvvies into tesla with our hard-earned.
        
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        September 6, 2023 4:23pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “Almost EXACTLY Labour, but we’re better accountants”
    
    Seems to be a mostly accurate summary of National.
    
    Probably also better project managers to be fair. Woohoo.
    
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    September 6, 2023 5:46pm
- Matt Long
  
  What I am surprised about is that the MSM attacked Goldsmith last election on their finances policy, and It didn’t prepare National for the same thing to happen again.
  It’s almost as though they expect the media to play fairly.
  
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  September 6, 2023 9:22am
- imalwaysright
  
  Well said The,
  
  Luxon et al have some big voids that the public want addressed.
  
  When Luxon related that he shared a whiskey with mallard at 1am overlooking the Parliament protest heroes he became a hollow man.
  
  You are right , it seems to be their CVs that are important rather than a fair deal for kiwis.
  
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  September 6, 2023 9:26am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He doesn’t drink ffs
    
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    September 6, 2023 9:42am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘When Luxon related that he shared a whiskey with mallard at 1am overlooking the Parliament protest heroes he became a hollow man.’
    
    Interesting . Could you please substantiate .
    
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    September 6, 2023 10:00am
    - The Redbaiter
      
      Of course Christopher Luxon doesn’t drink. He says he does not and I believe him. However its not really this issue and in terms of this debate only a small concern.
      
      The real question is did Mr Luxon align himself with Trevor Mallard when Trevor was attacking the protesters so viciously and so callously. The answer is yes.
      
      Mr Luxon signed on to the statement issued by Mallard saying the protesters would not be accepted as legitimate. Along with David Seymour and the Maori Party.
      
      He also made numerous public statements expressing his wholehearted support for the Ardern/Mallard govt’s anti-protest actions.
      
      Mr Luxon was thanked in parliament by Mallard for making himself available for consultation and for his enthusiastic support. Mallard said there were daily phone calls between the two of them occurring until late at night and early in the morning.
      
      IMHO the protest was one of the greatest events in NZ history, and Mr Luxon and David Seymour badly misjudged things when they threw their hat in with the Ardern govt. It was in fact a great opportunity for them to make political capital and they misread it entirely.
      
      The protesters were decent people who had lost businesses, jobs, incomes, houses, had been unable to visit sick or dying relatives and they deserved some sympathy. There is no doubt they were legitimate. They deserved a hearing. What we know today proves it beyond question.
      
      So it doesn’t matter if the comment about Luxon having a whiskey is accurate. For one thing most know that if there was any whiskey available, Mr Mallard would have wanted to keep it all for himself. He wouldn’t have shared it. However the main point “Iamalways right” makes is valid enough. Luxon couldn’t have done more to support Mallard in his mistreatment of and contempt for those truly aggrieved New Zealanders on the lawns of parliament.
      
      [Mod – if people want to make claims about any politican then back them up, if you can’t, don’t make it]
      
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      September 6, 2023 11:21am
      - Keith White
        
        RNZ
        14:42, Nov 06 2019
        
        The National Party leader is not ruling out extending the ‘no jab, no pay’ proposed policy on people receiving Working for Families payments.
        
        The newly selected National Party candidate for Botany, Christopher Luxon, told RNZ National’s Morning Report yesterday he supported the proposal floated in the party’s social services discussion document of cutting sole parent benefits if a child of theirs had not been vaccinated, and even extending it to people getting Working for Families.
        
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        September 6, 2023 1:03pm
      - coge
        
        Of course Mallard needed to go out of his way to keep Luxon in his tent. The alternative was the Labour Govt might have collapsed, without the opposition’s craven submission. Mallard knew this, but Luxon didn’t. There was a possiblity of an earlier election being held, and the rights of all Kiwis being upheld. A great opportunity for National squandered. And here they are polling somewhat unsurprisingly at 31%
        
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        September 6, 2023 1:49pm
      - kowtow
        
        I get all that but I still reckon if someone comes on here and posts as a matter of fact , certain details about a cosy discussion including time and place re a political leader they need to be able to back it up.
        
        And they should be able to .
        
        Either they were there , read it , whatever .
        
        And I’m still waiting.
        
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        September 6, 2023 2:00pm
  - Warren
    
    If your post your utter crap make sure you are truthful ,but I guess that’s not your agenda.
    
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    September 6, 2023 10:09am
  - rockape
    
    Funny, I know for a fact that Luxon is a complete teatotaler.
    
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    September 6, 2023 10:47am
    - rockape
      
      NEW ZEALAND
      National leader Christopher Luxon reveals he’s never drunk alcohol due to alcoholic family member
      
      Newshub.
      
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      September 6, 2023 11:00am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Just like Donald Trump. 🙂
        
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        September 6, 2023 11:34am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Maybe he didn’t swallow , but he was a good boy and he did what he was told.
    
    [Mod – if you are going to make accusations then provide evidence of those claims]
    
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    September 6, 2023 10:58am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Mod
      Will do, but note that many posts are accusative and without evidence and their veracity is dealt with by the KB contributors.
      
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      September 6, 2023 12:09pm
      - Jack5
        
        How about some examples, poster Imalwaysright?
        
        By the way, where’syourapostrophe? 🙃
        
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        September 6, 2023 2:51pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        [Mod – when you make a claim you back it up or don’t make it, that’s not up for debate]
        
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        September 6, 2023 3:03pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yeah yeah, the same as last time on the Morgan poll, but only to get three polls with Nats in high thirties, and not much talk from the usual suspects they were kind of silent or absent. What do you want? Act in the teens and Nats mid 30s, or Nats high 40s and ACT at a couple of #? You don’t get both, I would have thought an so called intelligent person could work that at, but never mind.
  
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  September 6, 2023 9:36am
  - Random T Person
    
    Dude, please. If I were you, I would not be commenting on the intelligence of others. You really think insulting people will change their minds? That, along with your tenuous grasp of the written word, isn’t exactly the best advert for the Nats.
    
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    September 6, 2023 11:03am
    - Ghost
      
      Out of interest G is there a reason you get words mixed? Personally when I have too much histamine in my body I get my words mixed up, and more
      
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      September 6, 2023 11:21am
      - Warren
        
        I have said on here many times I am dumb when it comes to the English language and I do make mistakes but I have tried to improve what I write , but you have to admit if it was you on the end of spelling wrong words or what ever you would get pissed off with other trying to correct you .
        Remember not everyone is perfect .
        
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        September 6, 2023 11:53am
      - Random T Person
        
        Warren, nobody minds anybody making mistakes. What’s annoying is being called stupid or unintelligent or a fool by someone who cannot express themselves clearly and instead reverts to schoolyard insults.
        
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        September 6, 2023 12:09pm
  - mawm
    
    Quite honestly the fact that National is in the 30’s against the most unpopular and worst government ever makes a huge statement about National’s/Luxon’s popularity/policies. It is indefensible. You can bloviate as much as you like about low v high 30’s and which polls count, but they should be in the high 40’s in all polls at this stage. Seymour has his faults but at least he has some clearly enunciated policies and gives off an aura of competence. Hopefully he has a large say in the next government.
    
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    September 6, 2023 11:12am
    - I remember when
      
      mawm:
      National is still having to fight Jacinda even if she isn’t going to make an appearance.
      Her female vote is still floating around trying to decide where to land.
      After this election, we should be able to move on to elections where covid and Jacinda don’t have to be addressed (even if they are presently addressed by not being mentioned)
      
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      September 6, 2023 11:44am
      - mawm
        
        Surely the best way to do so is to show what a charlatan she is, how she lied about safety and efficacy, and offer help to those hurt or who lost family, jobs or houses. A simple “I was wrong and we are going to help where we can” would go along way. Avoiding the subject underlines his complicity.
        
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        September 6, 2023 1:49pm
    - kowloon
      
      makes a huge statement…..
      sure does! a statement about the bias and demise of truthful journalism. Where is the impartiality? Bias is for Opinionpieces.
      
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      September 6, 2023 12:23pm
    - Local Miller
      
      Claiming National should be in the high 40s shows a lack of understanding of the political landscape and basic maths.
      
      Allocate on average ~4% to NZF & TPM each, and ~4% total to random other minor parties like TOP, etc. and you only have 88% of the vote to split across Lab, Nat, Act, Greens. Act & Greens take roughly 20% together typically leaving 68% to split between Liebour & National. In a balanced year they get about 34% – 35% each, which means in a poor year for either of them (2020 excepted) you’d see them poll in the low 40s and high 20s (43% and 27%) from the natural swing voters across all the parties. It’s very unlikely either of them will poll in the high 40s, with 2020 being an outlier because of Jacinda Mania, C-19 and “80,000 lives to be saved”.
      In the current political climate, with Act polling significantly higher than normal, and Liebour still being propped up by the MSM, it’s expected that National will struggle to get into the high 30s and definitely to get over that 40% barrier.
      I suspect as we get closer to the election we’re going to see a shift in votes from Liebour to Nat, and from National to ACT. The dark horse is NZF, but Winston’s not really releasing any policy which I think is going to be his downfall.
      It’s becoming more and more obvious that Liebour have failed as a government, and I think the impact of the press is waning as more and more people are hit with the reality of inflation, crime, failing education and healthcare. It’s getting harder for the press to maintain the charade.
      It’s 26 days until advanced voting starts, with the PREFU still to come, and a lot is going to change for the worse for Liebour during this period.
      
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      September 6, 2023 1:48pm
      - mawm
        
        In can do basic math and you can parse the votes they way you want but there are just so many disenchanted voters looking for a home. Luxon should be the one offering that but instead they are going to NZ1st and the other minors, many are sticking with Labour because they don’t see much difference between the two, and ACT has gained support, not because they are more right wing (which they aren’t) but because thinking voters like their policies. All fertile ground.
        
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        September 6, 2023 1:56pm
      - coge
        
        National themselves recently said they’re aiming for the forties. Clearly that is not happening.
        
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        September 6, 2023 5:42pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    “What do you want? Act in the teens and Nats mid 30s…”
    
    At the very least. But ACT in mid-20s and Nats in mid-20s would be even better.
    
    Thanks for the question.
    
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    September 6, 2023 11:24am
- stewmar
  
  Redbaiter, what utter BS!
  
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  September 6, 2023 9:54am
- mister nui
  
  Well said red. You have hit the nail on the head.
  
  [Mod – keep the personal crap out of]
  
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  September 6, 2023 10:06am
- crackle
  
  National are very much a centrist party these days and have been for a number of years im really not sure why you are moaning about it. If you are wanting to vote further to the right you can vote for Act the bigger vote they have the more influence.
  Longer term it will be much easier to form a right leaning govt if Act can hold onto 15% and the Nats can poll 35 ish occupying the centre. As a stratergy it makes sense in an mmp enviroment.
  
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  September 6, 2023 10:34am
  - hullkiwi
    
    To you yes, but not the Actoids who would love to see Luxon give a speech along the lines of
    
    “Everything David Seymour says is the Gospel, and when in government we will be happy to implement it”.
    
    That is called philosophical political purity and would see Act and National sitting forever in opposition. But hey ho, Act & that party’s supporters seem to think they can run the country from the opposition.
    
    One further note, is why are many of the Act commentators above, are alll bent on making sh*t up about what National will or will not do, should they be in a position to form a government with Act? What the Act supporters reveal is they are more invested in interviewing their keyboards, rather than mixing it with those in Act and National who know what is going on in this campaign. In fact, many of them are more helpful to the other side than Hipkins, & the CTU, but they don’t stop themselves, take breath, and work that out before hitting “Post Comment”.
    
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    September 6, 2023 11:01am
  - mawm
    
    ACT is not a rightwing party. Never has been.
    
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    September 6, 2023 1:57pm
- Che Guava
  
  And its not just Mr Luxon who has an unappealing personality. Willis and Bishop are just as bad.”
  
  National are more like a mug of warm milk rather than the shot of whiskey the country needs. Nothing about them gets the blood pumping and the enthusiasm levels up. They are just bland and uninspiring, both of which evidence a lack of vision and leadership and a “follow me!” vibe.
  
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  September 6, 2023 10:44am
  - mogg
    
    That’s a good idea National and Act should fight over the same vote, what a stroke of genius.
    
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    September 6, 2023 11:40am
    - Che Guava
      
      What does my comment have to do with Act (sic) (other than that ACT aren’t much better)?
      
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      September 6, 2023 12:03pm
    - Matt Long
      
      That’s what parties do, at this point I’m happy for National to battle it out with Labour for the centre left as long as ACT get enough votes to counter balance any national socialist ideas.
      My ideal numbers would be ACT 20% plus, National high 30s, NZF nearly 10% and the neo Marxist comrades to share the rest.
      
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      September 6, 2023 12:58pm
      - Jack5
        
        Forget personality.
        
        NZ needs a highly skilled business type as leader if the country is to swim, wade, and climb its way out of the economic swamp that the Labour Covid money-printing blow-out tricked us into.
        
        Luxon fits the job description.
        
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        September 6, 2023 2:55pm
- BananaLlama
  
  It’s for the best that National are up front with their principles so the rest of us are under no illusions. If you want a small government that stays out of people’s lives, then vote for ACT.
  
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  September 6, 2023 2:47pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Apparently needs to be repeated daily:
  
  Nationals job is to win the election, which can only be done by focusing on converting labour voters to national. Pandering to locked-in voters of right is a guaranteed way to lose. Ergo their policies have to look ‘Labour lite’
  
  Everyone needs to recognize that NZ women have shifted perhaps permanently to extreme left. A third of women under 50 intend to vote for destructive insanity of Greens or Maori. Balancing that Act is now more than 40% of right leaning mens vote but sadly there are more women than men, and men will leave for Australia as things worsen.
  
  NZ politics is becoming perhaps terminally polarised. Unless women can be educated to care about govt competence, economic success of NZ and understand the destructive realities of socialism, race-based policies and welfarism we are going to slide into repressive socialism.
  
  To that end; halving civil service numbers, cleaning out Maori preferentialism in all it’s forms, introducing performance based pay, eviscerating public service unions, defunding university humanities depts and all lefite media, education programs for everyone in civil service along lines of what they did with various left wing indoctrination programs over last decade would be a good start.
  
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  September 6, 2023 4:55pm
Warren

At a day long conference in Wellington campaigning Polititains put on their most business friendly faces for a crowd of Private Sector Leaders.
Deloitte New Zealand Chief Executive Mike Horn also revealed the results of a Triennial Survey of Business New Leaders on the state of our Country.
Just 6% of 876 respondents said they felt the Government had a plan of action to raise New Zealand’s Economic Performance compared to 85% who said there was no plan.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/politics/party-leaders-pitch-to-big-business
It looks and sounds like the Country has woken up to the utter mess Grant Robertson our Finance Minister has left the New Zealand Economy in with his incompetence and the blame game.
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September 6, 2023 8:00am
- herb1
  
  It’s a worry that 6% think the Government have a plan
  
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  September 6, 2023 9:15am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Greenie businesses
    
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    September 6, 2023 9:58am
  - kowtow
    
    They must be the ones knee deep in the regime gravy train.
    
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    September 6, 2023 10:03am
  - rjay
    
    Doesn’t say they agree with the plan
    
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    September 6, 2023 10:30am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes, threatened to drop the credit ratings this week, and Sept 12 is coming quick
  
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  September 6, 2023 9:48am
CJames

There is a very good article in City Journal about “the Misogyny Myth” that deserves a lot more Western World readership than it will get. The author puts in many links to support the arguments he makes in the text. However, while it will get little positive feedback, there will be a lot of negative publicity attacking it by the gender studies types on purely emotional and emotive grounds. And emotions trump evidence and facts nowadays, don’t they?

https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-misogyny-myth

This paragraph sums it up:
“Toxic masculinity” and “testosterone poisoning” are widely blamed for many problems, but you don’t hear much about “toxic femininity” or “estrogen poisoning.” Who criticizes “femsplaining” or pretends to “believe all men”? If the patriarchy really did rule our society, the stock father character in television sitcoms would not be a “doofus dad” like Homer Simpson, and commercials wouldn’t keep showing wives outsmarting their husbands. (When’s the last time you saw a TV husband get something right?) Smug misandry has been box-office gold for Barbie, which delights in writing off men as hapless romantic partners, leering jerks, violent buffoons, and dimwitted tyrants who ought to let women run the world.”

Hat-tip to The Daily Sceptic
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September 6, 2023 8:01am
- Clown
  
  Modern day feminism = women having privileges of men AND women and accountability of children.
  
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  September 6, 2023 8:20am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I think the problem is that many women can’t let it go. They can’t see that, yes, they have long ago won the fight for equality. In New Zealand, there are no rights enjoyed by men that are denied to women. Indeed, important indicators for boys and young men are terrifying, particularly educational achievement and mental health.
  
  Then there is the “gender pay gap”. This seems to be like the Loch Ness Monster. A demon to slay but hard to find.
  
  Women and men make very different decisions about work and family formation. Yes, Chief Executives of large companies are predominantly men. To achieve such a position requires a dedication to success, long hours, and, especially, a determination to beat rivals for the job. The willingness to engage in such behaviour seems to be more prevalent in men.
  
  At the other end of workforce, 99 percent of plumbers are men (OK I made up the number but it won’t be far off). Is that because there is a vicious cartel of male plumbers stopping women entering plumbing apprentices?
  
  90 percent of nurses in New Zealand are women. Do those women get paid less than the 10 percent of nurses who are men? Are they less likely to get promoted? Of course not.
  
  So good luck governments trying to “close the gender pay gap”.
  
  https://women.govt.nz/women-and-work/gender-pay-gap#:~:text=It%20compares%20the%20hourly%20earnings,It%20is%20currently%208.6%25.
  
  You may as well go chase that Loch Ness Monster.
  
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  September 6, 2023 8:31am
  - cmm
    
    Out Loch Ness Monster is the taniwha. It eats koha.
    
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    September 6, 2023 8:35am
    - Kiwiguy
      
      The taniwha has miraculously converted to modern currency!
      
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      September 6, 2023 8:40am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      A LOT of Koha!
      
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      September 6, 2023 8:55am
      - Biscuit
        
        And, Steve, that taniwha keeps finding that it is entitled to much more koha…
        
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        September 6, 2023 9:05am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        They breed Biscuit.
        
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        September 6, 2023 9:10am
      - KiWombat
        
        Just like a donut – sugar coated outside with nothing in the middle !
        
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        September 6, 2023 9:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “Women and men make very different decisions about work.”
    I have never seen a Woman put 5 ton of steel in the rack, 1 bit at a time. That is every month! I actually liked doing it. Far better than a gym workout.
    
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    September 6, 2023 9:15am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Oh lookie, 2 downticks. Must be pussies that hate work!
      
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      September 6, 2023 1:44pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Ben, the reason that Governments struggle with “gender pay gap” is because the reasons for any pay disparity is not just because of gender. And it has a bit to do with the 5 psychological traits, extraversion agreeableness, openness, conscientiousness, and neuroticism. Which are dished out in different levels between genders.
    
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    September 6, 2023 10:27am
  - Paulus
    
    To do well in the Public Service it pays to be a at least at BA Graduate in Social Studies and it appears that many of the appointments that have been made are replacing men with such women.
    They then appoint several Deputies and that is where problems begin as the want top jobs in short time as they can do better, of course.
    In time it will cause a problem as there will not be enough top appointments left to fight over.
    Labour has appointed very many new quasi roles for women.
    
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    September 6, 2023 1:26pm
- Burtland
  
  Watching NZ TV advertising would lead you to believe NZ is racially 90% maori …
  
  its not just dufus dads – its white dufus dads – Mitre10 advertising is plain racist
  
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  September 6, 2023 8:44am
  - cmm
    
    Perhaps I am too stupid to use their products. I should really do them a favour and stay away.
    
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    September 6, 2023 9:17am
  - Sacha
    
    M10 better be careful. The ‘white dufus dads’. might take their custom elsewhere –
    Just saying.
    
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    September 6, 2023 9:18am
  - Jack5
    
    The Woke dominate the advertising agencies, no question, but companies that advertise accept their bias.
    
    From seeing scarcely any non-white faces in TV adverts 20 years ago, we’ve swung to seeing disproportionately few of the white faces that make up two-thirds of the population.
    
    Could this mean white viewers are switching off?
    
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    September 6, 2023 10:09am
    - ISeeRed
      
      You serious, bro? Few non-white faces in TV ads in 2003? 1983, perhaps.
      
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      September 6, 2023 4:49pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  It wasn’t me that thought of it, but it bears repeating.
  
  Anyone that thinks the world would be a better, kinder place if it were run by women, never went to high school.
  
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  September 6, 2023 9:07am
  - KiWombat
    
    I haven’t spoken to my wife for years, I don’t want to interrupt her – –
    
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    September 6, 2023 9:46am
    - Jack5
      
      😲 Hell’s teeth,KiWombat, I must log off from the PC right now before my wife reads that over my shoulder!
      
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      September 6, 2023 10:12am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        If you allow your wife to read what’s on your PC over your shoulder, what she may or may not see is not your problem ☺
        
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        September 6, 2023 8:03pm
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  And there it is – the opportunity for Kiwiblog to prove me wrong when I said, a couple of weeks back, that it is only in discussion of transgender rights that Kiwibloggers express concern or respect for women’s dignity, comfort, rights and freedoms. Thank you all for not letting me down
  
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  September 6, 2023 9:39am
  - All_on_Red
    
    This is not true
    I have been on KB for well over a decade and “concern or respect for women’s dignity, comfort, rights and freedoms” , indeed for everyone’s , is constantly expressed
    So perhaps you could take your lying smears elsewhere
    
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    September 6, 2023 10:30am
  - Ehlana
    
    Perhaps it is possible to express concern or respect for both women’s and men’s dignity, comfort, rights and freedoms?
    
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    September 6, 2023 1:50pm
  - Che Guava
    
    “…it is only in discussion of transgender rights that Kiwibloggers express concern or respect for women’s dignity, comfort, rights and freedoms.”
    
    I my own defence, I never frame discussion of transgender rights in terms of women’s rights. In fact, don’t believe that transgenders can even have any rights with respect to their transgenderism, because that would be to presuppose that it is even possible to be transgender, which it isn’t.
    
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    September 6, 2023 3:54pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    What kind of person would you have to be to firstly not have any sense of humour whatsoever, and secondly to find offence in anything and anyone that has different values than your own?
    
    Yes, it’s rhetorical.
    
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    September 6, 2023 8:07pm
Vinicius

From 1News at https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/06/national-would-demote-maori-health-boards/

Iwi-Māori partnership boards were set up under last year’s health reforms and Te Whatu Ora (Health NZ) cannot sign off local health plans without their agreement. Dr Shane Reti, National’s health spokesperson says that these partnership boards will lose their current veto power and be relegated to the level of other health groups.

I think this is a good policy move by National. Also what is this Maori Health Authority (Te Aka Whai Ora) costing the taxpayer annually?

The article notes that David Seymour wants Te Aka Whai Ora abolished.
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September 6, 2023 8:02am
Simon

Kiwiblog 7am post everything wrong about NZ and why its finished. Very basic govt function carried out and a cause of much celebration. Building of a series of roads.

Barely half the country is properly functioning at a basic level. That is the voting base of Nat + Act side of NZ. The other side of NZ is basically gone.

There is a range of dysfunctional massive parasite classes in NZ. It’s the Labo/Gweens + the borg woke state + Maorification + ESG corporate world. The productive are being overwhelmed. The trend is very clear.
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September 6, 2023 8:03am
- mogg
  
  Yes but incumbency gets plenty of support by default. We have neighbours who are intelligent wealthy people who just accept everything at face value from Media. It has become very obvious that Labour govt has catastrophic consequences for middle nz but apathy still rules.
  
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  September 6, 2023 11:57am
artemisia

So. Looking increasingly like ACT will be part of the next government. Proviso – chickens hatched.

Will ACT be ready to take on several ministerial roles? Apart from Mr Seymour their current MPs have been learning on the job for the last 3 years. Is it enough to be running a Vote? Seems obvious the pathway of their MPs has been managed quite carefully – but holding actual power over critical national inputs and outcomes is a horse of a very different colour.
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September 6, 2023 8:05am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Act may leave Labour in the dust. Many staunch Labour voters have had a gutsful. They know whose fault it is and the replacement is already lying.
  
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  September 6, 2023 9:21am
  - Paulus
    
    I suspect that those who do not vote will have been Ardern supporters.
    
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    September 6, 2023 1:29pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      They just can’t hold their nose and tick another box?
      
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      September 6, 2023 1:45pm
  - Ghost
    
    Labour’s core base will have them around or just below 30, act prolly around 14
    
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    September 6, 2023 1:52pm
- Flossie
  
  Yes. First term MPs as ministers is not a good idea. Example – current Minister of Health.
  
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  September 6, 2023 9:36am
  - Paulus
    
    Health Minister being suggested as new Labour Leader as it has to be a woman who at least can read and write.
    
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    September 6, 2023 1:31pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      No thinking required? Just read and write. Noooo. Ardern said never write anything – on stickers, emails, texts. That’s how they keep the bullies protected. Sharma.
      
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      September 6, 2023 1:48pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Who would you have as a minister? Many will be newish MPs with no knowledge of any portfolio, just like labour previously, Hoggard may well be a good minister of agri, but depends if he has done fort of agenda
  
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  September 6, 2023 10:02am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Having periods is sexist, apparently. Ok, true equity means they’re demanding the right for men to have periods, right?

No, they just want other people to pay for stuff.

These grifters have clearly never watched the Life of Brian.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/132874570/women-spend-20k-on-periods-you-cant-say-it-isnt-sexist
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September 6, 2023 8:06am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Loretta.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBOQzSk14c
  
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  September 6, 2023 9:26am
- cmm
  
  Women spend 20k through their lives on periods? So what?
  
  Males need about an extra 500 calories a day. That’s approx 1 Macca a day, but let’s just make it $2 to be cheap. That’s $750 a year. Over an 80 year lifetime that’s $60000.
  
  Is the $20k number even real? Let’s assume menstruation lasts 50 years to make it easy (which is also probably rather generous). At one period every 28 days that’s 13 a year and 650 per lifetime.
  
  If you consume $10 of period products per period (having done quite a bit of shopping I doubt that’s very stingy), then we’re looking at about $6500 over a lifetime. Nowhere near the $20k.
  
  So being biologically male costs $6000 over a lifetime (just for extra calories) and we’re supposed to believe that a tenth of that is sexism?
  
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  September 6, 2023 9:28am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Those Womans’ Mags are expensive – her “those drinkies are expensive.”
    Every bloody time, the same!
    
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    September 6, 2023 2:15pm
Cassandra

Learn something new every day: no NZ University offers Arabic. Massey has Fat Studies and Otago has Peace & Disarmament but not one has Arabic. Spoken by millions and a dozen countries but not in NZ. Weird.
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September 6, 2023 8:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Overseas Universities don’t teach Te Reo either.
  I think I will email Te Pati Maori about this.
  
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  September 6, 2023 9:29am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Biden dragging his feet over Maui. There is now a black curtain around Lahaina. Why?
Other Countries stepping up.
Hungary shipped 250 pop-up homes to Hawaii from the other side of the world, faster than Joe Biden got there.
Did you ever need more proof that Biden hates Americans?

https://thepoliticalmovement.com/2023/09/05/another-biden-failure-hungary-providing-shelter-for-250-maui-families/
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September 6, 2023 8:16am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Makes you wonder if the purposely lit fire was for an economic reason, that town is not commercialised at all, they have kept the natural state, every thing is made from wood.
  
  The Biden crime family may see huge potential for development to spend the I’ll gotten gains on, that town is now sitting as a prime target
  
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  September 6, 2023 8:22am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Developers want the land to build Hotels. Locals don’t want that.
    The locals don’t really like tourists, but they don’t mind the dollars.
    
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    September 6, 2023 9:31am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Bidens make their millions from China, Russia, and Ukraine.
    
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    September 6, 2023 9:46am
  - Guy Preston
    
    You’re not the only one who thinks that G.
    From a left leaning perspective, there’s this:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2nkR5aDN60
    
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    September 6, 2023 12:49pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Why are there foreign Police cars all around the perimeter?
  The curtain is to keep dust and ash in. If you believe that I have a catalogue of bridges for sale.
  
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  September 6, 2023 8:24am
Maggie Pie

My doubles partner re-tweets.

The one thing worse than Drag Queens reading to primary school kids….

https://twitter.com/LloydBurr/status/1698816996572545300

full screen/sound up
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September 6, 2023 8:18am
- Local Miller
  
  Doesn’t make sense to me why Chris Hipkins would be campaigning at a primary school. The kids can’t vote, and there are no parents there. So a few teachers will be impressed, hardly enough to impact the election.
  Is this the limit of his ability?
  
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  September 6, 2023 8:27am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Worked for Cindy 😀
    
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    September 6, 2023 8:32am
  - Tricati
    
    Doesn’t get the hard questions
    
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    September 6, 2023 8:35am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    But he had the cheek to go to business yesterday and tell them he is a conservative, you just wait he said, then he had some smear about the media guy that he was the poor man’s Mike Hosking, utterly pathetic, snd childish, then business send a message, no one likes ya in the business survey
    
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    September 6, 2023 8:37am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    It’s an escape pod. It’s the only place he knows he can go without getting asked a hard question.
    
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    September 6, 2023 8:44am
    - kowtow
      
      Escape pod with maximum publicity .
      
      Featured heavily in the “news” and now on twatter.
      
      Yes our te media pahti puts Kim Jong Un’s to shame.
      
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      September 6, 2023 8:48am
    - Local Miller
      
      Like did you actually complete the BA degree you have in your CV and on LinkedIn?
      And why if the unemployment levels are at an all time low are there so many more people on the work seekers benefit?
      
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      September 6, 2023 9:02am
    - Biscuit
      
      Agreed, Clan.
      
      I live in Chippie’s electorate and, whilst I fully expect to him to be re-eected as our MP (albeit wth a sizeably-reduced majority AND with the party vote going National’s way) there is precious-little chance of him making a show at a public (i.e. non-orchestrated by Labour hacks) meeting.
      
      There’s a street fair here on Saturday. Ideal for him to do a walkabout, no? I’ll not be holding my breath…
      
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      September 6, 2023 9:10am
      - Local Miller
        
        Let us know if any of the other party’s candidates turn up at the street fair
        
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        September 6, 2023 9:25am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Biscuit – I imagine his comments re jabs not being compulsory may have even horrified many of his diehard supporters. Sickening, and he doubled down on his comments on Hosking’s show.
        
        There really is no bottom to the gutter these people are happy to frequent.
        
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        September 6, 2023 10:00am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Exactly what Ardern did when she was not overseas.
      Also only about 62 days in Parliament.
      
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      September 6, 2023 9:50am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    All part of the programming – learning the Marxist way.
    The people who will vote in the next Socialist Government are not even in pre-school. They have 18 years of Marxism to learn, the Teachers are waiting!
    
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    September 6, 2023 9:01am
  - KiWombat
    
    Don’t be too hard on him – he’s doing his incompetent best !
    
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    September 6, 2023 9:37am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Local,
    
    If you were of his stature and had Sepuloni shoulder surfing you all day you would be glad to rest your neck too!
    
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    September 6, 2023 9:53am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    The kids can’t vote? Lol Miller, Labour are looking to lower the voting age a bit more…..
    
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    September 6, 2023 10:30am
- Gravelroad
  
  Using little kids who have never heard of you as an electioneering tool.
  Nice.
  
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  September 6, 2023 8:30am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Might have given them a sex talk, hope he didn’t have Halbert present
    
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    September 6, 2023 8:38am
  - Biscuit
    
    Gravalroad, you might be old enough to remember Inspector Visits at school.
    
    Us littlies would all be instructed – under pain of (later) corporal punishment, ha – to ‘behave’ and to not show up the teachers.
    
    Shameful manipulation…
    
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    September 6, 2023 9:13am
- virtualmark
  
  “The one thing worse than Drag Queens reading to primary school kids” … is Catholic priests reading to primary school kids?
  
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  September 6, 2023 2:53pm
KH

Seems important. Not seem this in the New Zealand media.
And is Mahuta on the job.
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2023/9/5/solomon-islands-opposition-demands-answers-after-replica-guns-report
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September 6, 2023 8:18am
I remember when

One more joins the disappearing act: Newsroom.

Once again illustrates the difficulty a party like Act have with getting enough suitable candidates.
Whether the National disenchanted like it or not, the only way to an Act /National government is with a National majority.
There is no sense in decrying the behaviour of the media and then not appreciating their efforts in trying to weaken National.
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September 6, 2023 8:19am
waikatosinger

All these political parties talking about removing GST on Fruit and Veg. It is a stupid policy. But I note that there is never any talk of removing GST on meat, which in terms of ensuring adequate nutrition for growing young people would probably be more effective. The agenda has always been to force us all to stop eating meat and this reveals it.
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September 6, 2023 8:19am
- greybeard
  
  You do realise that even if a retailer “takes the GST off” certain products that the selling price won’t change at all: the retailer will simply make a bigger profit. Why would any retailer drop their market prices if there is no need ?
  
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  September 6, 2023 9:19am
  - KiWombat
    
    Sometimes I wonder whether our country is being run by smart people who are just pulling our leg, or by imbeciles who really believe in what they do !
    
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    September 6, 2023 9:39am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The latter. No clue why they are there except to eat their lunch and get paid.
      
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      September 6, 2023 9:52am
Scott

Really interested by the latest Roy Morgan poll. National is down 2.5, Act is up 4 and Labour is down 2. So National is on 31,Labour on 24 and Act on 18.

Here is the thing. If Act gets another 3 and Labour loses another 3 then Act and Labour would be tied! Could Labour become the 3rd party in Parliament, instead of always being number 1 or number 2?

Everyone on kiwiblog I think we can agree, would join me in wishing Labour electoral oblivion for decades to come. The worst, most incompetent, most radical and most controlling government we have ever had deserves electoral oblivion.

And Act is tapping into something. They are campaigning at their public meetings, one of which I attended recently in Martinborough, on crime, cost of living and cogovernance. People are frustrated and want competent economic management, tough on crime and the end of different rights based on race. They want root and branch reform, not tinkering around the edges.

I think Act is looking good for the election. I hope they are getting prepared to govern and make real reforms. That’s what the country needs and wants.
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September 6, 2023 8:21am
- Prince
  
  82% of Kiwis don’t want an Act Govt.
  
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  September 6, 2023 9:46am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Tough. 74% ofKiwis don’t want a Labour government.
    
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    September 6, 2023 10:40am
  - RightNow
    
    I’d explain why you’re wrong but I can’t find the crayons
    
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    September 6, 2023 10:52am
  - michael_s2
    
    And 76% don’t want a Labour Govt
    
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    September 6, 2023 11:28am
  - waikatosinger
    
    What is an ACT government? Does such an animal even exist under MMP?
    
    If you are talking about a National/ACT coalition government then a majority seems quite happy with that idea. In fact they are looking forward to it as I think we will see on election day.
    
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    September 6, 2023 4:04pm
kowtow

Ferald cartoon attack on Seymour .

Te Media Pahti ; holding the Opposition to account .

or My Master’s Voice.
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September 6, 2023 8:21am
Matt Long

Chat GPT apparently is capable of taking over from politicians, it pads information to say basically nothing, and is now 98% inaccurate on simple math according to this paywalled article.
Will Chat GPT be the next Labour Finance Spokesman?
https://fortune.com/2023/07/19/chatgpt-accuracy-stanford-study/?xid=soc_socialflow_facebook_FORTUNE
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September 6, 2023 8:22am
cmm

“The vehicle failed to stop and fled the scene, and police pursued.”

It looks like it must have been an autonomous self driving vehicle.

FFS: It was two scumbag criminals who failed to stop. Not the car.

Bus ticket being soaked in warm water to get the temperature right.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/132882395/two-young-people-arrested-after-earlymorning-christchurch-crash
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September 6, 2023 8:24am
- David Garrett
  
  Bus ticket being soaked in warm water to get the temperature right
  
  Very good Sir, very good.
  
  But speaking of temperature, I am heading back to the homeland today…hope it’s not too bloody cold in Auckland.
  
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  September 6, 2023 8:27am
  - cmm
    
    Can’t speak for ALK, but it’s a T-shirt day in Christchurch.
    The shiny stuff on the road outside our house isn’t ice. It’s broken glass from a late night visit to the neighbours car.
    
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    September 6, 2023 8:32am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    Cold? Auckland? Ah DG, sir, you are a card make no mistake 😀
    
    The Gorgeous Blond and I, now that kids are back at uni, are headed for Fiji on Friday for 10 days of warmth, diving and cold beverages. Enjoy Auckland LOL
    
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    September 6, 2023 8:36am
  - Cassandra
    
    I’m afraid disappointment beckons, DG. Wet too.
    
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    September 6, 2023 8:36am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Overcast with Northerlies, a benign 15 degrees in Auckland.
    
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    September 6, 2023 8:36am
  - Matt Long
    
    Double digit lows since the week DG, you’ll cook. 😉
    
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    September 6, 2023 8:45am
- Vinicius
  
  The article notes the offenders have been referred to ‘Youth Services’. How much taxpayer’s money is feed into it by the government and how effective is it?Youth crime is I understand it is still increasing .
  
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  September 6, 2023 8:29am
- Gravelroad
  
  They will never use a bus ticket of any temperature.
  Just steal another car.
  Only losers go on buses.
  
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  September 6, 2023 8:34am
ClanMcleod

Eugyppius with one of their most important blog posts to date.

German health authorities plead to parliamentary committee that they have yet to evaluate adverse vaccine events because there are too many of them

In NZ? Nothing to see, move along.

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/german-health-authorities-plead-to

This is a must read. The implications of what happened (and are still happening in ‘get boosted!’ NZ) during the last 3 years are immense. Pretending it didn’t happen is an impossibility.

The major German political parties will never investigate the pandemic response, because they are all complicit in it.

It appears that Wellington has collectively decided to adopt the same tactics.

On Friday, 1 September, the AfD-convened Brandenburg Corona Committee summoned Robert Koch-Institut Chief Lothar Wieler (the German counterpart to Anthony Fauci) and Brigitte Keller-Stanislawski, head of the Department of Pharmaceutical Safety and Diagnostics at the Paul-Ehrlich-Institut. They were questioned for six hours on the Covid vaccines.

At least they got to ask questions. This is an incredible post which describes failure at an astonishing level.

The PEI

(Medsafe and their CARM is the NZ equivalent)

didn’t start evaluating adverse vaccination events yesterday. They’ve been doing this for many years, and yet somehow the world’s most safe and effective vaccine yielded so many adverse event reports that they literally broke their computers and made their routine safety evaluations impossible.

The amount of harm done is bewildering. Medsafe in NZ are among those refusing to even speak the word.

It is hard for me to put into words, what a scandal this is. The Federal Republic forced literally millions of Germans to receive not just one, not just two, but at least three novel Covid jabs against a virus that posed genuine risk to very few of them. In many cases the state threatened unemployment for noncompliance, shut the unvaccinated out of public life for months, and even tried to mandate vaccination via the Bundestag.

Of course, NZ was one of the most draconian countries in the world in every aspect of the response to covid. Our government DID mandate, but, according to Hipkins, nobody was forced to get the jab, it wasn’t compulsory……./s

Please read the article and understand the gravity of the situation.

Despite these grave violations of personal autonomy and bodily integrity, the bureaucrats who supported these crimes and justified them with relentless lies about virological doom now plead that their offices simply don’t have the time to establish how safe or how effective the jabs they continue to promote actually were. It’s a lot of work bro, they’re understaffed you know, there’s so much data.

The Germans are having the hard conversation. It’s unpleasant, but it needs to be done.

The rest of the world are also addressing the issues and problems created by covid responses to varying degrees.

The whole political and bureaucratic class in NZ is like the petulant, spoilt kid trying to pretend they didn’t break the window even though they were caught hands down. This is not a sustainable position in a functioning society.

People need to stop pretending it didn’t happen and try and wish it away. It’s not going to happen.
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September 6, 2023 8:31am
- NothingLeft
  
  In the next couple of years there will, eventually, be an acknowledgement that “mistakes were made” , coupled with calls to “forgive”, and “move on”, with perhaps a side-dish of “we need to heal the division”. All of course originating from the authoritarian and in many cases Big-Pharma paid evil weasels in positions of power within health and political bureaucracies and promulgated by their corrupted mouthpieces in media.
  
  But they all need to be drummed out of the institutions they control with suitable blaring pageantry and permanent censure if we are to have any hope of preventing similar corruption in future. Ardern being a principle offender
  
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  September 6, 2023 9:08am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Quite a few will jump ship so they can’t be blamed face to face. That is why Ardern ran, a mountain of lies coming down on her like a ton of bricks.
    Socialism works but it is always done wrong…..
    
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    September 6, 2023 10:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “nobody was forced to get the jab, it wasn’t compulsory……./s”
  No sarc, it is a lie. He does it without any expression! Ardern has been replace with what I think is a bigger liar.
  
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  September 6, 2023 10:00am
  - rouppe
    
    Wonder if that would work in front of a judge.
    
    Prosecutor: So you held a knife to the victims throat and said either give me your money or I’ll cut your throat”
    
    Defendant: “Well, it wasn’t robbery because he had a choice. he didn’t have to give me the money”
    
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    September 6, 2023 1:00pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Good thing I will be gone in about 20 years. That sort of shit is getting out of hand.
      Dudges love it. Jail free crims just roaming the streets again.
      What say you, Special K?
      
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      September 6, 2023 2:19pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Clan,
  
  Remember the “noble lies” and “abundance of caution”?
  
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  September 6, 2023 10:02am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    imalwaysright – one day I might forgive, but while there exists this cone of silence I cannot. One thing is for sure, none of us should EVER forget.
    
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    September 6, 2023 10:31am
    - mawm
      
      What is particularly galling for me is that the leader of our “libertarian” party is complicit, and goes to great lengths to deny all damage.
      
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      September 6, 2023 11:52am
Maggy Wassilieff

Labour’s Failures – Volume 1

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/alex-holland-labour-s-failures

(warning: might take a long time to scroll through)
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September 6, 2023 8:33am
- Tricati
  
  What an impressive list of failures or cock-ups – well done Labour. When volume 2 & 3 done, maybe all 3 can be sent to the CTU and Herald and put on the front page of the Herald and Jenna Lynch do a lead story on TV3.
  The worst government in memory by some distance.
  
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  September 6, 2023 8:43am
  - Biscuit
    
    I understand the first 69 of Tova’s much-anticipated podcast will be devoted to reading out that list, Tricati.
    
    She’s a misundetstood leftist wokist is our Tova!
    
    I similarly hear that the folk who misrun the Stuff website plan Harvey Norman-style wraparound coverage of the same lst.
    
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    September 6, 2023 9:19am
    - Tricati
      
      Shit Biscuit, I doubt Tova has the intellect to follow the link, unless the Labour Chief of Staff opens it for her, then there are too many words for her to understand. If it only said National Bad, that’s all she would need to write a toxic article.
      
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      September 6, 2023 12:30pm
  - Warren
    
    You have to laugh at the Prime Minister Chris Hipkins and Finance Minister Grant Robertson with the help of Three Now Journalists Jenna Lynch Amelia Wade and Lloyd Burr taking swipes at Nationals Tax Plan when the Government could cost the taxpayer over $ 100 Million in Tariffs if they continue to forge ahead with their Digital Service Tax, often dubbed “Google Tax”, a DST target’s large offshore tech Companies.
    Could someone please tell me why Labour are willing to put our Country at risk when they haven’t got it right , but are prepared with the help of the media to slag there policy for political gain when National could have it right.
    
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    September 6, 2023 9:53am
    - KiWombat
      
      “If you are riding a dead horse the best thing to do is dismount”. However in the New Zealand Parliament other things to be tried, (but not limited to) are the following
      • buy a stronger whip
      • change riders
      • threaten the horse with termination
      • appoint a committee to study the horse
      • arrange to visit other countries to see how they ride dead horses
      • recalibrate the standards so dead horses can be included
      • create a training session to increase the riders load share
      • reclassify the horse as `living impaired’
      • hire outside contractors to ride the dead horse
      • harness several dead horses together for increased speed and efficiency
      • donate the dead horse to a recognised charity therefore deducting its full original cost
      • provide additional funding to increase horse’s performance
      • do a time management study to see if lighter riders would improve productivity
      • purchase an after market product that makes dead horses run faster
      • declare the dead horse has lower overheads and is therefore more cost effective
      • form a quality focus group to find profitable uses for dead horses
      • rewrite the performance requirements for horses
      • and finally if all else fails…..promote the dead horse into a supervisory (management) position
      
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      September 6, 2023 10:04am
      - PeeJay
        
        I think someone just won the internet today!
        
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        September 6, 2023 10:41am
      - Burtland
        
        you forgot
        • pin a gong on the dead horse
        
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        September 6, 2023 12:56pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Nats stated they did that work, media and Labour suggesting otherwise, they will have done the work alright.
      
      Media yesterday trying to say last years 30 mill too price would never be eclipsed, only to find this week Queenstown had a 50 mill sale.
      
      One thing people have forgotten and Willis tried to point out to the nasty rude leftie Tame is that the brightline test will drop to 2 years, and this may very well create a huge amount of houses in the 2?million plus range, she also said the tax requirement is a 4 year term, I guess after 4 years the tax difference would take care of its self.
      
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      September 6, 2023 10:46am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Do you remember what Clark and Cullen did to us?
      They resigned. Ardern resigned early because she is a coward.
      
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      September 6, 2023 10:47am
  - Sparrow
    
    I sent it to Simon Wilson congratulating the achievements of his mates !!!
    
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    September 6, 2023 11:03am
- hullkiwi
  
  Just posted the same below. Reminds of the lists KiWombat use to compile.
  
  Not as funny, but very sobering.
  
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  September 6, 2023 8:53am
  - KiWombat
    
    Typical diatribe – if you can’t convince em – confuse em !
    
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    September 6, 2023 9:35am
- Flossie
  
  Yes it did indeed take a while Maggy! Worth it though.
  
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  September 6, 2023 8:54am
- emmess
  
  You are not kidding
  
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  September 6, 2023 9:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Make it stop, make it go away.
  “Math gone from 4th in world to 27th.” That explains Grant Robertson.
  
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  September 6, 2023 10:09am
- PeeJay
  
  Great link – that’s a bloody depressing read though – and apparently more to come!
  
  One that jumped out to me was “Number of Kiwis living in cars has more than quadrupled since 2017”.
  
  To which I enquire, so where is a teary John Campbell doing his ‘won’t someone do something about this’ reports almost every night? I mean, it couldn’t possibly be because he only cares about holding the government accountable when it happens to be a National government could it? This hypocrisy alone is enough to prove the overwhelming media bias in favour of the left.
  
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  September 6, 2023 10:38am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Campbell did a story on homeless in cars a month to two month ago… And slammed National in it…. Was a funny read… Labour not doing enough but its still Nationals fault…
    
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    September 6, 2023 11:41am
- Pheobe
  
  Posting this wherever I can.
  
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  September 6, 2023 2:54pm
Matt Long

Is there a give a little page for this poor wee thing?
Funny how $10 per week reparations is what criminals could afford on the benefit in the Eighties and 40 years later it’s still $10, not that the amount matters, they never pay.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/fleeing-teen-ram-raider-faces-hip-replacement-in-20s-has-early-onset-arthritis/4O4NJ3CSOBGPNK2GXVPBFT6DBM/
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September 6, 2023 8:41am
- lifesgood
  
  I must be a really nasty person because I’m glad he got injured. Poetic justice in my view. Shame a few more of them don’t suffer the same fate.
  
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  September 6, 2023 8:53am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Yes I think its good when karma strikes them, as our justice system fails to impose any consequences.
    
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    September 6, 2023 12:17pm
- greybeard
  
  With a name like that he should be playing for the Warriors.
  
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  September 6, 2023 9:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The fact that he has arthritis is irrelevant. He broke the Law.
  This is the type of little shit that should be in a boot camp.
  
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  September 6, 2023 10:20am
Maggie Pie

I was just thinking to myself, for the last 6 years all this Labor Government has done is abuse and try to deceive honest, law abiding taxpayers. Even yesterday, Chippy was STILL at it…..

“There was no compulsory vaccination.
People made their own choices”

WELL LEST WE FORGET 🙁

https://twitter.com/SaiKate108/status/1698512888439123975
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September 6, 2023 8:46am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  I think Chippy realises that those people were never going to vote labour anyway after the way they were treated, so may as well frame the narrative of the benign caring government that had best intentions etc and that citizens were free to choose.
  
  Because TBH, he gains nothing by apologising now, way too late – and every other party had its hands covered in blood anyway. Id be really surprised if any of the current or soon to be future crop of politicians grows either a pair or a conscience and calls for the Royal Commission we so badly need.
  
  At the moment, if we have a bad flu season, every single party will look to shut the country down again. We cant exist like that, or let the BoRA remain the hollowed out shell it is now.
  
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  September 6, 2023 9:02am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    TREMAIN nails it…..
    
    https://twitter.com/FQ_Labour/status/1699135775923921381
    
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    September 6, 2023 9:15am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Hahaha, he has them with burning asses
      
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      September 6, 2023 10:59am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  One liar replaced with a bigger one.
  Keep it up sonny, only 5 weeks and 4 days to go.
  Sweating yet??
  
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  September 6, 2023 10:23am
Rusty

Didn’t catch the whole story on the tv news last night but apparently a couple in their 90s want to be buried in water when they kick the bucket and not in the ground because of climate change.

Goodness sake I wonder about the state of some peoples minds when it comes to believing in man made climate change.
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September 6, 2023 8:50am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Only a few burials at sea are allowed in NZ pa. About 30 years back someone was buried at sea off the W Coast of Akl and it was not done properly and the coffin washed up on the beach.
  
  The Co Op funerals in the UK are marketing this water burial. It is akin to cremation and not much is left at the end.
  
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  September 6, 2023 9:50am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Mum and Dad are on a shelf in the wardrobe.
    
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    September 6, 2023 10:51am
- imalwaysright
  
  Rusty
  
  What will be the catch limit on corpses?
  
  If you catch a dead lawyer will it be an eligible entry in the Sharkarama?
  
  Just imagine the weigh in photo.
  
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  September 6, 2023 10:09am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Register with the Democrats.
    
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    September 6, 2023 10:25am
  - Rusty
    
    @ imalwaysright
    
    Agree.
    
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    September 6, 2023 10:34am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s not a burial in water.. it’s dissolution of the soft parts of the body by a potassium Hydroxide solution.
  
  The process produces a liquid gunge at the end and a load of soft bones.
  
  I can’t see the Tangata whenua would be too happy with usual methods of disposing of the fertiliser
  (in sewer system) or out on public gardens.
  
  https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/could-water-cremation-become-the-new-american-way-of-death-180980479/
  
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  September 6, 2023 10:53am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    It the climate wokesters weren’t vegan, then could eat the deceased, like Papua New Guineanians used to.
    No need to use valuable land for meat production, if we turn to long pig, and the disposal is only after it is put to productive use first.
    
    “Let’s eat, Grandma! Let’s eat Grandad!”.
    
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    September 6, 2023 2:13pm
hullkiwi

Below is a link to a post from BassettBrashHide, it is a list compiled and provided by Alex Holland. The list is long and it should be seered into the minds of every National or Act candidate aspiring to be elected to Parliament this year.

The list highlights the failure of:
incompetence and ineptitude,
philosophical purity,
buying favours with your mates and so on,
division of New Zealanders over governing for all New Zealanders, and
Identity/show pony politics rather than providing governance & leadership

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/alex-holland-labour-s-failures

Addressing the failures in that list will be what the next government is about, not proving which politician is more right wing or philosophically pure.
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September 6, 2023 8:51am
- Yabster
  
  depressing and very long list- why the opposition don’t turn so of the worse stats into a pamphlet or something is beyond me.
  
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  September 6, 2023 10:48am
slightlyrighty

So Willie Jackson says about David Seymour “I think he’s the most dangerous man that we’ve ever seen in New Zealand politics”

Given his constant divisive rhetoric, I would say that this is certainly a comment that coud just as easily be directed at himself.
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September 6, 2023 9:08am
- Tricati
  
  When you can’t put a valid response and back your position in a debate, and have to attack the person, you have lost the argument and are just a bully – Fits Jackson to a tee.
  
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  September 6, 2023 9:16am
- sirknz
  
  It would be just as fair to say that Seymour is the most dangerous man to Willie (and his cohort’s) gravy train.
  
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  September 6, 2023 9:17am
- Biscuit
  
  Yep, slightyrighty, Willie Jackson saying ‘I think’ is surely the stuff of fiction.
  
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  September 6, 2023 9:22am
  - nathie
    
    Yup he’s nicknamed “motor mouth Willie” for a reason and presumably that reason is because there is no “thinking” involved when the words coming blurting out! 😉
    
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    September 6, 2023 9:41am
- H. Upmann
  
  Seymour is obviously doing the right thing if the blowhard Jackson is running scared.
  
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  September 6, 2023 9:46am
- ClanMcleod
  
  slightlyrighty – not ‘could’ be directed at himself, SHOULD. Jackson is the racist driving the division in NZ.
  
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  September 6, 2023 10:08am
- Flossie
  
  Isn’t that called “projecting”?
  
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  September 6, 2023 10:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Mirror, mirror – oh never mind.
  
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  September 6, 2023 10:54am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Both Māori, Jackson must hate they very point.
  
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  September 6, 2023 11:08am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Nah righty, Willie isn’t dangerous since everyone realises he is right up there with the most stupid people ever to be an MP. I think an IQ of 60 or 65 makes you unable to function in society. Every time Jackson opens his mouth, he proves this to be true.
  
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  September 6, 2023 1:27pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Jackson is an arrogant loudmouth, and a dangerous one at that.
  
  If co-governance is not beaten back, he’s the type who will be running this country, unelected but elevated to power by a nepotistic cabal of tribal interests.
  
  We need that referendum quick-smart after the election. It can’t wait. The new government will need a clear, hard mandate because the grifting activists already placed in powerful positions will not go quietly.
  
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  September 6, 2023 1:45pm
cmm

Herald has a slightly interesting article around the observation of VUW’s Stephen Levine, a prof in African Politics, that there have been over 100 coups in Africa since 1950.

To that we can add a few genocides and revolutions etc.

I think he is very wrong though to say that the first coup was in Togo in Jan 1963.

Coup, and coup-like behaviour, is common through history and is extremely common in pre-colonial African “politics”. (Yes, it really is politics even if it isn’t what we’d call politics in the west).

Most of us are old enough to remember jokes about the South American LP record: 33 revolutions a minute. African

In Africa, coup-like behaviour is as old as the hills. Just look at the Zulu history of Shaka, Dingaan etc. with brothers raising armies to depose the king and take over.

He raises a point though that not all African countries are unstable. Botswana is given as an example. That’s mainly because Botswana is effectively run by foreign mining interests that provide the administrative backbone, infrastructure building etc. Botswana is effectively still a colony – though a commercial rather than state colony.

“As the Western populations grow older with each passing year, Africa is often seen as the future of humanity, with United Nations estimates predicting that the continent will account for 40 per cent of the world’s population by the end of the century.”

And therein lies the biggest challenge for humanity. Africa is the only part of the world that is breeding. Even there it is only the poor and low-IQ that are really breeding (middle class Africans tend to follow Western patterns and have reduced numbers of offspring). As they spill north into Europe, Europe will go with them.

Low IQ and democracy do not mix. We can expect this type of behaviour to escalate.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/the-front-page-more-than-100-coups-since-1950-whats-going-wrong-in-africa/IPFOHFYZCRC43O7TZ7KQOKQ4MY/
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September 6, 2023 9:12am
sirknz

Anybody aware of this ‘grassroots’ group?

https://factaotearoa.nz/

They appear to have a project funded by the current DPMC set to go live just after the election.

Who is the DPMC and why don’t Fact have the donors name in full on their announcement of the $50k of funding? That would be the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet. The 50k of funding is more than they received in total from all other sources from 2020-2022.

Anyone care to take a guess as to what this special project against extremism might entail?
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September 6, 2023 9:14am
- John Loveridge
  
  They lost me at “Aotearoa”.
  
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  September 6, 2023 9:40am
- Ghost
  
  It’s admin is blitz
  
  https://blitzdigital.co.nz/2022/02/15/how-false-or-misleading-marketing-claims-can-hurt-your-business/
  
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  September 6, 2023 9:57am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Ghost
    
    It is another blackmail scam like the rainbow tick.
    Everything must be approved by them. If you don’t comply your business will be eliminated.
    Then anyone who has dealt with you will be cancelled.
    
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    September 6, 2023 10:19am
- ClanMcleod
  
  They will undoubtedly share a hotline to the equally Orwellian ‘Disinformation Project’.
  
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  September 6, 2023 10:11am
- JimBobJoe
  
  There is apost about them on Karl Dufesne blog.
  
  The ususal left wing faces …. Wanting to control messaging and deciding who can talk about what
  
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  September 6, 2023 11:49am
- PeeJay
  
  DPMC – Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet?
  
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  September 6, 2023 11:12pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby-world-cup-2023/300964388/mark-reason-how-the-all-blacks-can-beat-france-in-the-rugby-world-cup-opener

Good article. I agree with his comments about Cane, but he doesn’t go far enough: Cane will not be up to the strategic task required if France get the upper hand and the A.B.s are in trouble.
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September 6, 2023 9:15am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Get your money on now for Foster to break yet another unwanted record – New Zealand has never (prior to Saturday) lost a RWC pool match.
  
  I also very much doubt (but fervently hope) that we won’t get past the quarter-finals.
  
  Foster the worst coach ever – not necessarily in win percentages, but in unwanted records. First loss to Argentina (and second), first loss to Ireland at home, first loss to Ireland in a series (and a home one at that), biggest loss in history of All Blacks rugby (vs SA the other week) and what I fully expect to be our equal-worst performance at a RWC.
  
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  September 6, 2023 10:20am
  - imalwaysright
    
    I thought they made Scott Robertson coach.
    This is why rugby in NZ is in freefall, the rugby union has many parallels with the labour party.
    They’ve even got their own governor general “working” for them.
    
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    September 6, 2023 10:27am
Thought Criminal

When is out host going to do a long list of who is likely to lose their job from Labour in the election?

Should be a good read.
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September 6, 2023 9:16am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Easy enough to do it yourself.
  
  https://elections.nz/stats-and-research/mmp-seat-allocation-calculator/
  
  I posted a scenario on GD yesterday which would have Labour only winning two List seats – Jan Tinetti and Grant Roberson.
  
  Who is in and out depends very much on how many Electorate Seats Labour loses. Impossible to say, but my scenario is as good as any other that is plausible.:
  
  Labour gets a Party Vote of 28 percent.
  
  It loses 13 seats – that is all seats with a majority of less than 4,000, plus one of the Wellington seats to the Greens – either Wellington Central or Rongotai, which is plausible. That gives Labour 33 electorate seats. They would only get 2 List seats – Robertson and Tinetti.
  
  Verrall, Jackson, Prime, Rurawhe, Little and Parker – would all be out of Parliament.
  
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  September 6, 2023 9:35am
  - John Loveridge
    
    At two, the number of list seats retained would be exactly two more than the number of tears I’d shed at the loss of all those fine representatives.
    
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    September 6, 2023 9:44am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Tinetti’s only chance is as a List MP – nasty, bitter and unelectable.
    
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    September 6, 2023 10:21am
    - Thought Criminal
      
      Incompetent. Dishonest.
      
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      September 6, 2023 2:57pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Labour will lose up to or more than 30 electorate seats, most their MPs will be list, if TMP do well, Labour may very well have just a few electorate mps
    
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    September 6, 2023 11:19am
  - Steve Todd
    
    For goodness’ sake, Benedict. Rongotai is not plausible. I have been saying since at least last December, including here: https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/03/least_surprising_news_ever.html/comment-page-1#comment-3331528, and again in response to you yesterday, that Rongotai is safe-Labour!
    
    Labour’s majorities in the MMP era are—
    
    2020 — 19,207
    2017 — 10,900
    2014 — 9,617
    2011 — 9,047
    2008 — 9,020
    2005 — 12,638
    2002 — 11,493
    1999 — 12,928
    1996 — 7,700
    
    Back on Tue 13 Dec 22, slightlyrighty said: Rongotai could be well worth watching. I replied: “Only to see if Labour’s majority drops back to around nine or ten thousand.” (See https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2022/12/six_labour_mps_flee_sinking_ship.html/comment-page-1#comment-3288642.)
    
    That remains my position. Julie Anne Genter will do very well, as did Russel Norman previously (2008, 2011 and 2014), but popular local, Fleur Fitzsimons, will very comfortably hold the seat for Labour.
    
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    September 6, 2023 3:45pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They tell me a long time labour electorate in Auckland May we’ll slide blue
  
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  September 6, 2023 11:10am
oldpark

Ten Pinocchio’s for Hipkins on his fake news . The gall to say Vaccinations for Covid19 was not Compulsory .
That being the case when thousands stood outside Parliament and one of Labours’ Henchmen a clown called Mallard put the water jets on them .
They were there only because Ardern/Hipkins had allegedly given directives to Public Service bosses and other employers around NZ.
“No Vaccines” “No employment”.
The many many times control freaks Ardern/Hipkins /Verral /plus fill ins who stood on the so called “Pulpit of Truth” could have said that “Vaccinations were not Compulsory” .Even worse
if they even cared about protesting NZs at Parliament . To disperse the crowd and ring of Police they could have said “Vaccinations not Compulsory” .If Not Why not? .That is for you Mr. Hipkins as the other half of you is Missing in Action .Running scared afraid to show her face until after October 14 2023 . NZs General Election.
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September 6, 2023 9:22am
- Rusty
  
  @oldpark
  
  Ardern and Hipkins interpretation on having a choice with vaccines was:
  
  If you didn’t take it you lost your job!
  
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  September 6, 2023 10:40am
  - cmm
    
    You should be thankful that you have a job.
    
    Cindy and Chippie create all the jobs, all the economy, all the money. You’re lucky they’re kind enough to share with you.
    
    It’s only fair that you support them by getting a jab.
    
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    September 6, 2023 11:48am
Maggie Pie

AN ABSOLUTE MUCH WATCH – WEDNESDAY 6PM ET

Tucker Carlson’s interview with Trumpy on ‘X’
attracted nearly 250 million viewers!

Will be interesting to see the stats for this one……

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1699142858844864846
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September 6, 2023 9:28am
- virtualmark
  
  A Twitter “view” just means that the video, which auto-starts as it scrolls through your field of view, played for at least 2 seconds.
  
  So for most “views” it just means that it auto-started while the Twitter user was scrolling through their feed.
  
  It definitely doesn’t mean that 250 million people watched the full length of Tucker fellating Donald for over an hour.
  
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  September 6, 2023 2:58pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    Homophobic much?
    
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    September 6, 2023 5:01pm
- virtualmark
  
  Um, you do know the background of the guy that Cucker is interviewing? The guy who claims to have had sex with Barack Obama?
  
  As in … he’s served prison time in Arizona, Colorado and Florida … on forgery and fraud convictions.
  
  So when Tucker says “A man who claims he had sex with Barack Obama in 1999” the word “claims” is doing a *LOT* of work in that sentence.
  
  But the rubes will swallow it down. “Hey Siri, what does gullible mean?”
  
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  September 6, 2023 4:49pm
AC

Interesting to note that Stuff and NZ Herald have not reported on the latest Roy Morgan poll which shows a poor result for Labour.

You can guarantee that if the result had been the other way it would be leading the news.

Not that we need it but further evidence of bias.
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September 6, 2023 9:31am
- Notsofast
  
  They also seem to have missed the Curia poll showing 90% of New Zealanders want gender out of schools, which of course also means the pathetic pronoun nonsense and “social transitioning”, and 54% want an instaban on puberty blockers, surgery and hormones for children and youth.
  Only the green voters are still dazed and confused.
  
  https://youtu.be/UWpz4QeB5jk?si=Axds0TgQyvaXae7F
  
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  September 6, 2023 10:32am
imalwaysright

News speak:

“Police are investigating the removal of full trolleys from the end of a supermarket carpark”

They left out the part where the scumbags walked the trolleys around the supermarket picking up piss and meat and snacks and then walking through the checkout without paying and then leaving the carpark.

If the scumbags had consumed their theft in the carpark would the police be interested ?
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September 6, 2023 9:38am
Gravelroad

“New Zealand Wins Trade War with Canada” on $tuff this am (albeit published in a jacked up election format)..
“This is a significant win for New Zealand and our exporters. Our dairy industry lost out on an estimated $120 million in revenue from the Canadian market in the past three years.” Says Minister O’Connor.
Well blow me down.
Only last week there was a protest at parliament about “Too many Cows”.
Dairy farmers and their cows have been vilified as climate vandals for the last six years by politicians of all colours.
“Our dairy industry” now has opportunity to provide more export revenue.
So who wants it?
Do people want cows or export earnings?
Maybe time to choose now.
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September 6, 2023 9:44am
surfing

After years of government underinvestment in Tauranga roads, we now get this…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/economic-catastrophe-if-congestion-charges-not-introduced-in-tauranga-waka-kotahi/B7ZRSMAZPFFWTKPXW2NND32FAU/

So, Tauranga is going to go through economic catastrophe unless the council gets congestion charging! Simply more money for the non-elected commissioners and maori. And, all we’ll get this more of this…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/cameron-rd-roadworks-and-tauranga-cbd-parking-issues-blamed-as-first-ave-business-closes/46Y5MFOWUJEJ3DTKM7RHQSQXQY/

And, facebook groups opposing what they are doing to Tauranga roads..
https://www.facebook.com/groups/553268375771939/
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September 6, 2023 9:46am
- ClanMcleod
  
  surfing – this all relates to Agenda 2030, 15 minute cities, getting the plebs out of their cars, stopping farming, making us eat bugs etc etc etc.
  
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  September 6, 2023 10:15am
- hullkiwi
  
  surfing, that is called dogma by the ignorant (and yes Waka Kotahi/NZTA are full of ignoramites) putting forward what they want the transport network to be, rather than have the ability to determine a true strategic approach to issues.
  
  In my professional capacity, I’ve had much to do with WK over the past 15 years. During the past 6 years it has suffered the political interference of clueless politicians who have appointed board members and senior staff who have been equally clueless. Hence staff morale is low, there has been a rotating entrance and exit of staff. Corporate knowledge is rock bottom. And all they want to do, and know how to do is spend taxpayers money without ensuring positive transport outcomes.
  
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  September 6, 2023 10:17am
mandk

Evidently, the Commerce Commission has asked fuel companies to explain ‘concerning’ price variations at the pump.

Why? I would have thought that a lack of price variations would be more of a concern.

Where I live, there are 6 filling stations along a 5km stretch of road, and the pump prices generally range by about 20c/ltr.

That’s a good thing in my book. If I want the cheapest, I go to Pack&Save. If I want a coffee and a muffin, I go to Z.
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September 6, 2023 9:54am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Way back in 2008, the Australian government attempted to restrict petrol stations to adjusting prices once per day. It turned into a disaster after experts pointed out that petrol prices would increase as a result.
  
  https://www.9news.com.au/national/rudd-ignored-fuelwatch-price-warnings/2c6a520f-3ec2-4383-b2ff-63b4cc9000a3
  
  Of course petrol prices vary. For example a petrol station near a major airport is able to charge a premium because it captures all the rental car drivers who forgot to fill up before hitting the airport to return their cars. That premium will be reflected in the capital value of that business.
  
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  September 6, 2023 10:11am
- KiWombat
  
  – Whilst on the subject of fuel, just remember that the price of diesel fuel was about .93cpl on election eve 2017, let’s see whether Cindy’s enquiry into fuel price “gouging” did anything to bring down or freeze fuel prices, and whether Chippie was able to continue her quest to stop fuel price gouging – – –
  
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  September 6, 2023 10:14am
- Prince
  
  Commerce Commission, and most Left wing organisations, think that pricing commodities is a COST + exercise – nothing to do with sales and marketing.
  
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  September 6, 2023 3:00pm
Tom Barker

Self-pitying “Proud” Boys leader has been snuffling and whimpering in the dock as he awaits sentencing for seditious conspiracy. After denying the charge throughout his trial, he now admits Trump lost the election, says the events of Jan. 6 shamed the nation, generally prostrates himself in the hope of a lighter sentence. He and his followers are a pathetic joke, as are whose who defended their actions.
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September 6, 2023 10:01am
- Swifty
  
  How badly are Labour going to lose next month do you reckon Tom?
  
  Some are picking a total wipeout.
  
  What’s your pick?
  
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  September 6, 2023 10:55am
  - Colville
    
    I am coming around to believing they could go sub 20%.
    
    That would be an achievement for Chippy to put on his CV!
    
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    September 6, 2023 8:45pm
- Swifty
  
  PS Tom, have you seen this list of Labour Party achievements?
  
  https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/alex-holland-labour-s-failures
  
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  September 6, 2023 10:57am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Tom Barker seems to have vanished, Swifty.
    
    I wonder why?’
    🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔
    
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    September 6, 2023 2:55pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  So Tom, are there any decent Labour MP’s you can pick for the next time you win power in 2032?
  
  And especially a future Jacinda: a shallow, vacuous, brainless, creature with a great telegenic style and “charisma” that the MSM can slaver over?
  
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  September 6, 2023 2:17pm
Loddenthinks

So a 20-year-old dickhead in Wellington intervened in a Police arrest of a guy he doesn’t know, told the constable that he’s no threat to him, then sucker-punched him so badly the constable suffered significant injuries, including a concussion, nasal bone and facial bone fractures, swelling to the left side of his face and bruising around the eye.

Didn’t bother turning up for sentencing in July, with the Judge noting “It’s taken us some time to get to this sentencing event.”

Still, the Judge really served it to him – 10 months Home D for violent unprovoked assault on a police constable doing his job, and not bothering to turn up to sentencing. it’s like the Dudges have completely given up, and bugger the law-abiding citizens and those we ask to protect us from violent thugs. I can’t imagine why anyone would join the Police these days. I’d be off to Queensland in a heartbeat.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/wellington-man-fractured-police-officers-face-with-haymaker-punch/F3LNCGZURFG6VB3N5CVZVUFJUU/
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September 6, 2023 10:06am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Of course he should only get home D. I mean look at him, he is obviously a Greens or Labour voter. //
  
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  September 6, 2023 12:26pm
- Inandout
  
  Lodd, there was a Snr Sgt I knew who fled to Oz just before the plague struck in 2020 to join the NSW police. Even at that stage he knew our local cops were to become the punching bags and he wasn’t hanging around to see it.
  
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  September 6, 2023 4:24pm
Loddenthinks

Two rich white kids blackmail a businessman for $15,000, he hires a good PI who ends up making a citizen’s arrest on the two. Hands them over to Police.

Three years later (!) only one of them is charged with blackmail, carrying a possible 14-year sentence, and is given a discharge without conviction and permanent name suppression!

The Dudge opines (not incorrectly) that “the frontal cortex of the brain is still developing in teenagers, which can limit their reasoning ability or tendency to think before they act.”

I wonder if the Dudge sent those comments, which got the little scrote off scot-free, to those who would lower the voting age to 16?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/blackmail-auckland-high-school-boys-caught-after-bungled-scheme/S4P24RMUZ5GXDLEZJAHVTXSTTI/
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September 6, 2023 10:25am
- kowtow
  
  Apart from anything that “report” is shit .
  
  It’s written in a folksy style the “cops glasses” is all he’s concerned about in this case, I reckon that’s b/s .
  
  Also no mention of that thugs record , so we can make our own judgement .
  
  And lastly even if it were his first offence the police dedserve the court’s protection from thuggery while doing their duty .
  
  I wonder what a fellow judge would give a like thug for a sentence if he scaled the bench and gave a sitting judge such injuries with a “haymaker”.
  
  Shocking.
  
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  September 6, 2023 1:45pm
Maggie Pie

Just heard the news on ZB.

Sounds like that Marokopa Man has turned into a right koont 🙁
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September 6, 2023 10:30am
- cmm
  
  They have concern over the missing kids and are begging him to tell what happened to the kids.
  
  I expect he’s loving the power play of being in charge of the situation.
  
  Again, this is a case where the NZ public probably doesn’t have the stomach to do what is required.
  
  I have some (ex)associates who could change that power balance pretty quickly. Within 30 seconds he’d be begging to tell them where the kids are!
  
  During the early 1980s in South Africa, a cop would have to work pretty hard to find himself on a murder charge for overdoing things at work. Prisons falling up stairs any dying was just part of the circle of life. An ex-schoolfriend of mine managed to waterboarding/interrogating a prisoner to death. Spent a few years in the pokey himself.
  
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  September 6, 2023 12:08pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    A lot of twitteratti now saying Tom and the woman he’s with have really crossed the line and are carrying on like a modern day Bonnie & Clyde.
    They might even find themselves being shot on site 🙁
    
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    September 6, 2023 12:23pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Well if it’s on ZB, or any MSM for that matter, it must be true 🤔🤔🤔
  
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  September 6, 2023 8:11pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://patriotsnewsstand.com/redrebelnews/salmon-eating-shark-found-in-landlocked-idaho/

I do remember a hammerhead at the boat ramp in Rotorua.
Yes it was April 1st. Media fell for it, or did they really?
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September 6, 2023 10:31am
- cmm
  
  Bull sharks are known in Southern Africa as Zambezi sharks because they are encountered hundreds of km up the Zambezi river (as well as other rivers).
  But few others like fresh water.
  
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  September 6, 2023 12:12pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Same in Australia, there’s often one found stranded up a stream after a flood, they don’t mind fresh water at all.
    
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    September 6, 2023 8:12pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

CDC has shut down reporting of adverse vaccine effects. Must be an Election coming.
You miss out Chippie.

https://therightwingclub.com/americanpatriotclub/cdc-suddenly-stops-accepting-adverse-reports-ahead-of-new-vax-push/
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September 6, 2023 10:36am
- Ghost
  
  V-safe was closed as they were developing a new app that people could use for all new vaccines not just Covid. Reports can still be made with VAERS
  
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  September 6, 2023 10:42am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    VAERS is mentioned at the end of the CDC item. They call it a dinosaur.
    I don’t really know, it came by email.
    The whole thing needs to be opened up – corruption everywhere.
    
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    September 6, 2023 11:46am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Indeed, but there is increasing evidence that the processes involved are deliberately difficult to discourage any reporting. It’s estimated in the UK that only 2% of adverse effects are reported.
    
    According to Carl Heneghan, Professor of Evidence-Based Medicine at the University of Oxford, as little as only 2% of adverse reactions are being reported through this system, rendering it basically useless.
    
    “In practice, the system is woefully inadequate, much too complicated, and is failing,” Professor Heneghan remarked.
    
    https://vigilantnews.com/post/bombshell-98-of-adverse-events-are-not-being-reported-in-the-uk-according-to-top-professor-of-medicine
    
    I have no doubt it is the same in the US and here in NZ.
    I know personally of at least 4 people locally who had concerning adverse effects, but who were berated by local medical staff who insisted that their issues were nothing to do with covid.
    We know for a fact, that doctors who dared question the efficacy of the experimental jabs, routinely lost their licence to practice, were publicly attacked and vilified.
    
    There was a clear campaign to get people to shut up about the jab problems. Evidence showing concerning harm in young males in particular was deliberately suppressed by the government.
    
    The whole covid narrative has been an orchestrated lie from the beginning. Sure, some in the medical professions in NZ were conned and became useful idiots in the process, but there are too many who know this whole thing was wrong, but are too cowardly to admit it.
    
    The depth of malice and wrongdoing in this thing is much deeper than most would like to admit. No wonder there is a battle to shut the narrative down and hope it all goes away.
    
    It will never happen.
    
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    September 6, 2023 1:41pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      False for me. 4 times to Hospital (Ambulance) with chest pains. 2 jabs then all this stuff about myocarditis and pericarditis, I was a bit worried. X-Rays showed nothing wrong with my heart to MRI. Guess what/ Pain was coming from my arm to the chest. Rotor Cuff tear.
      Reassuring but I do need that fixing.
      
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      September 6, 2023 2:28pm
Maggie Pie

HOW WORRYING IS THIS?

When my partner came across this story in the NYP, he said this is exactly what
Dr Mengele was working on during WW2…..

https://trib.al/pOPYCDj
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September 6, 2023 10:48am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Mengele had the nous to at least not promote his mad ideas and human experimentation.
  
  This must be the first time billions of dollars were spent on propaganda to sell their experimental junk.
  mRNA products are now being pumped out with disgusting haste and nowhere near enough trials for safety.
  Just like they did with the covid jabs.
  
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  September 6, 2023 1:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

“At last, someone (Seymour) is going to tackle the problem head on. What problem? The problem of the elite Maori takeover of our country. The takeover is all based on lies, trickery, deceit, and fraud.”

Seymour has broken through! He is over the target

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/willie-jackson-seymour-the-most-dangerous-man-in-new-zealand/
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September 6, 2023 11:31am
I remember when

Jenna Lynch:
“National clearly finding it uncomfortable when the shoe is on the other foot.”
“but the Labour leader pulled out some props to prove a point – that each side has been as bad as each other.”

CTU Ads:
Chris Luxon – Out of Touch. Too much risk.
Luxon Isn’t the Right Leader – In a Cost of Living Crisis.
He calls people bottom feeders.

Labour Leaders props:
Stop Central Planning Committees.
Chris Bottles It: Same Bottle. New Label.
New Face. Same Old Labour.
Cleaning Out Your Wallet.

Even the word Hipkins doesn’t get a mention.

Different size shoes?
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September 6, 2023 11:33am
- mogg
  
  That is a good example of what Luxon is up against.
  This election is his to lose, he is showing a great deal of media savvy by staying on message, giving Labour’s media fangirls nothing to use.
  At the tunnel announcement Lynch could be heard asking the same question if different ways, Luxon just smiled and kept on giving her the same answer, then ignored her altogether.
  
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  September 6, 2023 12:28pm
- hullkiwi
  
  IRW refer to my post below. The ad campaign has not helped Hipkins & Labour’s cause.
  
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  September 6, 2023 12:51pm
cmm

I see Chippie is saying that Labour has a plan to fix the economy.

OK, a few points:
* “Fixing” the economy? Does this mean like “fixing” a dog so he’s no longer operational?
* If you’ve got bright ideas then why didn’t you roll them out 5 years ago?
*Why break the economy and then fix it? Why not just improve it?
* Please just fuck off. All your attempts to fix everything over the last 6 years have just made things worse.

Can’t they see their attempt to fix things never work? At what stage do these narcissists realise they can’t do the job and they should just hand over to others?

Most people have sufficient insight into their limitations. Somehow politicians don’t.

If the All Blacks need to kick a winning penalty goal, then I don’t put up my hand and waddle onto the field demanding a turn to “be fair”. I know I’m useless at rugby kicking (and rugby in general).
Likewise I won’t elbow a surgeon out of the way and grab the scalpel.

So why do the politicians not have this self-awareness? Do they really believe that a few years of polsci and saying “comrade” sets them up to fix the economy?
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September 6, 2023 11:43am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  *4 gets the uptick from me.
  
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  September 6, 2023 11:55am
- Swifty
  
  Governments can’t fix economies, at best they can establish frameworks and then get out of the road for free enterprise to create the wealth that we all prosper from.
  
  That’s my honest belief.
  
  The idea that Hipkins and his bend of lefty misfits and failures can ‘fix’ NZ’s deep economic malaise is 1. deceitful and 2. after the last six years deeply insulting.
  
  It’s a sick joke.
  
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  September 6, 2023 12:03pm
CAKE FACE1

Experts have a duty of care. They are held responsible for negligence. For example, if you are an engineer, and you design a bridge negligently, and it collapses on the first day of use killing people, you could be held liable for your failures.

I was thinking about this point when I was reading this:

https://www.downtoearth.kiwi/

“One of the perceived barriers to applying a vigorous response, such as elimination, to the covid-19 pandemic is the belief that this might sacrifice the economy & ultimately result in more hardship & negative health effects. Our preliminary analysis suggests that the opposite is true”. In fact, the IMF now ranks NZ as the world’s worst country (apart from Equatorial Guinea) in terms of projected 2024 GDP growth. Our current economic problems are a direct result of our slow opening up as elimination was relentlessly pursued way past its sell-by date. The slavish, futile adherence to pursuing elimination as a “sustainable” strategy (though it was a great short-run strategy when little was known about the virus & vaccines weren’t available in 2020) by PM Hipkins, who was “Covid-19 Response Minister”, resulted in massive borrowing & spending, $50 billion of RBNZ money printing and NZ’s plummeting GDP ranking. The billions lost due to the futile long-run pursuit of elimination cost NZ so much money that our entire health-care system has now been imperiled due to lack of investment.”

I have a question for the forum.

Was Professor Baker negligent in his advice to implement a Zero Covid Cult? Did this insane policy meet basic “duty of care” considerations for a so-called “expert”?

For the record, my view is that the Zero Covid Cult was reckless, negligent and extremely damaging.

I believe that Professor Baker deserves to be given the orange jumpsuit.
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September 6, 2023 12:00pm
- cmm
  
  Quite right. Baker is ideologically driven.
  That is gross negligence in someone who should be promoting practical solutions to real problems.
  
  Back to your engineering analogy, it’s a bit like an engineer ignoring annoying forces such as wind because, in an ideal world there wouldn’t be wind and gravity etc. and adding the extra re-enforcement to cope with wind makes the bridge look fat.
  
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  September 6, 2023 2:00pm
  - rouppe
    
    That sounds like the Transmissible Gully engineers who responded to criticism of the road surface deteriorating by saying “we didn’t anticipated the number of vehicles or the amount of rain”.
    
    The traffic movements and historic rainfall are well documented. Double that and there’s your target. God knows what figures they used
    
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    September 6, 2023 9:42pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Has anyone seen George Wilder?
Somewhere in the Otorohanga region.
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September 6, 2023 12:07pm
than

Once again, Sharon Murdoch with a stupid cartoon.

This one even worse than usual for calling TPM “aspirational” and ACT “reactionary”
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September 6, 2023 12:20pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  More like pulmonary aspiration.
  
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  September 6, 2023 1:58pm
Jack5

New Zealand must have the easiest borders to pierce in the developed world.

This is the result of the weak, perhaps even corrupted, Immigration Department and the Woke, weak Immigration and Protection Tribunal.

Latest evidence: the 24-year-old awaiting trial over the axe attack that injured three people in an Albany restaurant.

He’s pleaded not guilty on the ground he was insane, and it’s revealed he had been diagnosed with schizophrenia while living in China and had spent time in hospital there.

How did he get into NZ? Will he be sent home?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/132884009/albany-axe-attack-accused-pleads-not-guilty-by-way-of-insanity
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September 6, 2023 12:24pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  He’s not the first person to be admitted into NZ with a known history of mental illness who then went on to create violent mayhem.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/465058/lynnmall-attack-security-fears-trumped-mental-health-support
  
  https://www.mbie.govt.nz/dmsdocument/25830-operational-review-into-immigration-new-zealands-handling-of-acre
  
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  September 6, 2023 1:42pm
  - Jack5
    
    Maggy Wassilieff’s second link at 1.42 is well worth reading.
    
    It’s the whole judicial saga of Sri Lankan Tamil Ahamed Aathill Mohammad Samsudeen, who injured eight people in the knife attack at Lynn Mall.
    
    It shows that police and immigration knew he was a terror threat, was following ISIS, and at one recent stage had been armed with a hunting knife.
    
    NZ could not deport him because, though he arrived in NZ on a student visa for an electronics course, he quickly dropped out and claimed, and was granted, refugee status.
    
    The fact that an appeal by Samsudeen was before Immigration and Protection Tribunal may have blocked moves to kick him out of the country, but Crown Law found that NZ could not deport him.
    
    If the two Government security agents had not shot Samsudeen dead in the blood-stained supermarket NZ taxpayers would still be providing him with free bed and board.
    
    The questions are: has the legal block against deporting refugees been lifted; and, if not, how do we get out of the crap international requirements that cause the block?
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/09/lynnmall-terror-attack-jacinda-ardern-explains-why-deportation-hadn-t-happened.html
    
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    September 6, 2023 2:38pm
    - Jack5
      
      Edit: If the two Government security agents had not ~~who~~ shot ….
      
      Sorry!
      
      [Mod – fixed]
      
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      September 6, 2023 2:44pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Don’t forget the bullying Somali woman who stabbed the flight crew while trying to hijack a turboprop
    
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    September 6, 2023 6:54pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  ‘He was being treated by the prison forensic team until a bed became available at the Mason Cinic, a secure psychiatric facility’
  
  According to a nurse that works there, he could have been waiting awhile. Since Labor came to office, the queue is now a mile long.
  
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  September 6, 2023 1:58pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  See Stuffs article from Monday on how disfunctional the Immigration dept is….nuff said.
  
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  September 6, 2023 1:59pm
hullkiwi

IRW, Jenna has clearly not got then memo. After initially thinking they were on to a winner with the CTU attack ads, by last night word was going out to cancel the next round of attack ads.

Labour focus groups have reported the ads were an own goal. The initial feedback was:
1. Was hypocritical of Labour, after previously trying to take the high ground about personal attacks and dirty Politics;
2. The direct attack on Luxon & his portrayal in the photo, was seen as a winner for Luxon, as it ellicted sympathy for Luxon;
3. Concern it was a waste of money and the resources could have been better spent;
4. Hipkins and Labour wasted 48 hours explaining themselves rather than advancing their case for winning the election;
5. Negative campaigning turns people off and these ads did just that.
6. Hipkins was not seen as credible denying that Labour were not involved in producing the ads. Labour and the CTU are considered aligned, so it was seen as silly trying to deny they had been part of producing the ads.

All in all, Labour scored a very big own goal, and clearly Lynch is no longer part of the favoured group of media journos.
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September 6, 2023 12:48pm
cjn

I read when Anthony Blinken visited NZ that our Foreign Minister refused his request that we join AUKUS to help pay for the nuclear submarines that Australia is buying from the UK and the bases that USA will build in the Northern Territories in preparation for the war with China, the dragon. Now I read on Youtube that this decision has been rescinded by the PM. What is going on?
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September 6, 2023 1:05pm
mandk

Why on earth is National promising to spend $257 million on public EV chargers?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300964832/election-2023-live-national-promises-10000-ev-chargers-labour-unveils-economic-plan

It’s essentially the same as subsidising the provision of petrol filling stations.
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September 6, 2023 1:15pm
- cmm
  
  I agree. It’s ridiculous and it will end in tears if the chargers are not matched with an increase in generation.
  
  BTW: I hope these EV chargers get built in NZ if they really do make them.
  
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  September 6, 2023 2:19pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I wonder how much impact it will have on “Climate Change!”.
  I suspect the answer is indistinguishable from zero.
  
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  September 6, 2023 2:21pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Now that James Shaw has finally admitted he doesn’t have BA from VUW….how long will it take him to correct his Linkedin Profile?

Asking for a friend.
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September 6, 2023 1:25pm
- graham
  
  Where has he admitted that?
  
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  September 6, 2023 1:57pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Well I guess you wont read about it from the bort & paid for Horrid
    
    https://twitter.com/Suitandtie9999/status/1699156760517640562
    
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    September 6, 2023 2:28pm
    - cmm
      
      I am certainly no Jimmy supporter, but…
      
      This is a pretty confusing tweet. The stuff on the left seems to be someone else’ bio – not Jimmy’s.
      
      On the left there is a claim of finishing a BA in bollocks studies and dropping out on the MBA.
      
      IIRC Jimmy did other bollocks studies (polsci and comparative religion or such). That is the degree that is under scrutiny.
      
      The one on the right matches what Jimmy has claimed so far.
      
      So I am a bit confused as to what you think this means. Maybe I need a picture with more crayons.
      
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      September 6, 2023 3:18pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The stuff ofn the left is what Simon Wilson wrote in an article about Shanan Halbert… who once must have listed an MBA on his linked-in profile.
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/simon-wilsons-northcote-notebook-labour-candidate-lives-and-breathes-suburb/ZQZT6VZZIOTY6RTOND3VWK2N6I/
        
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        September 6, 2023 3:24pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        I see where Plunkey@ThePlatform has chimed in as well…..
        
        https://twitter.com/SeanPlunket/status/1699191468982944100
        
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        September 6, 2023 3:59pm
      - Ghost
        
        It’s not that easy to correct. First you have to contact Michael Wood, run the changes past him, then ask him to change it, can take several years……
        
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        September 6, 2023 4:03pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Another liar in this government, I’m losing count of just how many there are.
  
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  September 6, 2023 2:41pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    BMW Jimmy has been taught by the best —- Labour!!
    
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    September 6, 2023 3:31pm
Benedict Yu

OMG what a shambles.

The only good part was this:

“End the ‘ute tax’ and clean car discount schemes which Labour said would be fiscally neutral, but which are unnecessary, expensive and fiscally unsustainable.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300964832/election-2023-live-national-promises-10000-ev-chargers-labour-unveils-economic-plan

“He has also promised that petrol won’t go up under his government. ”

Good grief. Does he not understand how the ETS works? How is he going to achieve “net zero” without allowing the price of New Zealand Units to steadily increase?

Honestly, of all its policy areas, climate change and energy could be its bloody downfall. Because Chris Luxon shows no signs that he understands the economics of climate change policies. The only way that Chris Luxon can keep his promise for petrol prices not to rise is to cap ETS prices. Yet a Court has already determined that such an action is unlawful given the Zero Carbon Act championed by Mr Luxon.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/sustainable-future/court-orders-shaw-to-reconsider-ets-settings

What a mess.

News for Mr Luxon – you can’t have cheap petrol and zero emissions. You need to choose. The ONLY way to reduce New Zealand emissions is to withdraw units from the ETS.

And why the hell does the government need to spend $200 million plus on EV chargers? How is that a role for Government?
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September 6, 2023 1:41pm
- thirteenstars
  
  “How is he going to achieve “net zero” without allowing the price of New Zealand Units to steadily increase?”
  
  Maybe it was on The Platform, but in an interview with an ETS analyst they maintained the price of carbon would have to increase to at least $170 and probably much higher to achieve targets. It’s currently around $70.
  
  Almost every advocate of the fake “market” mechanism of the ETS is in denial about rising costs. Those that aren’t know the havoc and destruction it will bring and welcome it. End capitalism is the mantra. $10 for petrol won’t stop people using cars; it’ll just make them poorer in all other aspects of life.
  
  Historian Chris Wickham in his history of the end of Rome and the dark/middle ages spoke of that period as being in a state of “radical material simplification”, which is a euphemism for impoverishment.
  
  Rome didn’t choose to fall but apparently we’re hellbent on creating our own dystopian version of it.
  
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  September 6, 2023 2:00pm
  - cmm
    
    $100 JetA1 won’t stop Jimmy Shaw flying to Cancun.
    
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    September 6, 2023 2:14pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      He is going to see how many hotels having sea level rises?
      
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      September 6, 2023 4:03pm
- cmm
  
  I was somewhat stunned to see the generation numbers from the realtime thing that, IIRC, BY put up yesterday. If I read it correctly, yesterday NZ was using over 80% of the generation availability.
  
  That’s awfully close to the edge even if there is operating margin built in.
  
  How are those 10,000 EV chargers going to get their electricity? Unicorns farting in fans?
  
  Assuming 1/2 of the chargers are in use and they are 120kW chargers, then that’s 600MW extra. Just for the new chargers. That’s about 2/3 of Huntly.
  
  The smashed avo club that like EVs won’t be happy if they can only charge when the sun is shining.
  
  So unless Luxon’s also prepared to put up some reliable generation (coal or nuke) we’re in for a 3rd world energy ride.
  
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  September 6, 2023 2:11pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    If I can sum up Mr Luxon:
    
    We are all going to be driving EVs
    
    We are going to have cheap petrol – or at least while he is in government the price of New Zealand Units will not be allowed to increase.
    
    We are going to have cheap, renewable electricity (which means wind for the new capacity he is planning)
    
    We are going to meet all our emissions targets for 2030 and then zero for 2050.
    
    Honestly, this stuff is just as stupid as anything you would get from Labour or the Greens.
    
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    September 6, 2023 2:25pm
    - cmm
      
      “Honestly, this stuff is just as stupid as anything you would get from Labour or the Greens.”
      
      … but, but, but they’re National and competent. Right…
      
      I hope all those EVs come with the Flintstone Option or they won’t be much use.
      
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      September 6, 2023 3:22pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Globally we can hit Net Zero if:
    – 8,500 coal plants stop burning coal.
    – We stop driving 1.4 billion cars.
    – Planes stop flying 100,000 times a day.
    – Stop eating tens of billions of animals per year.
    – Stop shipping stuff.
    
    I shall be watching in great anticipation.
    
    From my armed, watered and solar/wind powered mountain top. 😉
    
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    September 6, 2023 3:52pm
    - thirteenstars
      
      Or, People Zero. Same deal.
      
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      September 6, 2023 4:41pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Petrol won’t go up? Putting aside what the ETS will do to the price, does he realise that we buy the stuff from overseas and the people we buy it off might have some say about what we pay for it? I suspect he does, so why would he make such a promise?
  
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  September 6, 2023 2:35pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I think we can allow some latitude. I think what he is saying is that excise won’t increase and the ETS price won’t increase. The first, maybe, but the second is insane unless he abandons his emissions targets.
    
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    September 6, 2023 2:38pm
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      Serious question BY – other than the Bridie Witton comment which you quoted above can you provide any other reference to him promising petrol wont go up under his government?
      
      The closest comment I can find is the following attributed to Simeon Brown at the media announcement this afternoon on the Herald live feed version.
      https://www.google.com/search?q=national+says+petrol+won%27t+go+up&oq=national+says+petrol+won%27t+go+up&aqs=chrome..69i57j33i10i160.18020j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#ip=1
      
      National Party transport spokesperson Simeon Brown said there needed to be more competition for petrol prices to be reduced.
      
      There seems to be a magnitude of difference between what appears to be an insane promise and a journalists non quoted statement.
      
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      September 6, 2023 3:48pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “Serious question BY – other than the Bridie Witton comment which you quoted above can you provide any other reference to him promising petrol wont go up under his government?”
        
        No I can’t.
        
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        September 6, 2023 4:22pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        It doesn’t matter if he said it. The Net Zero target is insane regardless of whether he said petrol would not go up or it would go up. Hint: it will go up because oil is a direct target of any carbon pricing and carbon price will go through the roof to create the necessary level of carbon offsets to bring about Net Zero, or as I like to say, the end of the world as we know it.
        
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        September 6, 2023 4:34pm
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        @thir….
        “It doesn’t matter if he said it.”
        
        It makes no difference that journalists just make up rubbish? – which is what I suspect, given no other media outlet seems to have pounced on a statement like that! It surely is the end of a world as we know it if people don’t question the crap dished up and simple shrug it off as being of no consequence.
        
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        September 6, 2023 5:27pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        “It makes no difference that journalists just make up rubbish?”
        
        Of course it does.
        
        My comment was related to Net Zero being an insane idea that will obviously cause fuel prices to rise, and massively, *regardless* of whether Luxon said it or not.
        
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        September 6, 2023 5:34pm
      - Chris Nisbet
        
        Yes, I suspect that it’s more likely to be some serious twisting of words by a journalist.
        $25k/charger seems pretty cheap – I suppose it doesn’t include the network upgrades required to get the power where it needs to go.
        
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        September 6, 2023 5:53pm
    - Warren
      
      If someone had said David Seymour had apparently said what you say Luxon said you would be criticizing them for talking shit,
      and calling them out for misinformation but because it’s National and Chris Luxon he is a dickhead. You guys just want to believe he said it.
      
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      September 6, 2023 7:39pm
  - Ghost
    
    The actual quote in the article is ”He has also promised that petrol taxes won’t go up under his government”
    
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    September 6, 2023 5:39pm
Bridgenag

Another liar
kitten corner: tony awards
and the award for worst supporting actor goes to.

https://open.substack.com/pub/boriquagato/p/kitten-corner-tony-awards?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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September 6, 2023 1:42pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Bridgenag – that is another excellent example of the liars who brought us the covid nightmare being exposes.
  It’s only 1 minute long people, watch it, remind yourself of the level of lies we were told.
  
  That one is up there with the liar Hipkins and his comments re people not being forced to get jabbed, or Michael Baker and his lies that he never ever said masks don’t work, when he provably did.
  
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  September 6, 2023 2:26pm
  - WaynelSexton
    
    No one forced you to get jabbed, stop lying.
    You just wanted to go to the pub.
    
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    September 6, 2023 4:10pm
cmm

Robots don’t take smoko, steal the stock, demand $25/hr and mind if you misgender them

More cuzzies on the couch.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ruakura-superhub-kmart-opens-distribution-centre-in-hamilton-introduces-robots-to-stores/U4UESWPYO5EQLMYGEGGGBY56ZU/
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September 6, 2023 2:24pm
Swifty

The New Zealand Labour Party, who has openly, nakedly bribed New Zealand news media companies with taxpayer cash in return for supporting Labour Party policies now decries another country’s representative for allegedly trying to bribe a New Zealand journalist.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/497359/election-2023-live-updates-on-6-september-hipkins-upholds-media-freedom-after-bribe-attempt

Why am I not surprised?
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September 6, 2023 2:35pm
- bjools
  
  hypocrisy runs deep in this one.
  
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  September 6, 2023 3:34pm
Prince

What’s going on with The Herald ?
Have they apologised yet for the lies in their article, highlighted here ?
https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2023/09/06/robert-macculloch-the-herald-calls-luxon-untruthful-and-bases-its-argument-on-false-numbers/#respond
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September 6, 2023 3:10pm
- artemisia
  
  The Herald did apologise, sorta, right at the end of the revised article …. But according to Professor Macculloch’s article even the apology still got it wrong.
  
  The original version of this article said annual house sales in New Zealand totalled 4000. This figure relates to sales to foreign buyers in 2018. We apologise for the error.
  
  Ironically, or perhaps more hilariously, Mr Wilson’s attack article starts out “Have you met Mr Numbers yet? He’s been touring the country, talking to “tens of thousands” of people (his words), telling them a lot of numbers.” Before telling the nation how wrong wrong wrong the numbers are.
  
  Mr Numbers Wilson… Come on Down.
  
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  September 6, 2023 4:39pm
Sparrow

The latest promise from Luxon shows how out of touch he and all politicians are with the general public. Promising to use OUR money to build more EV outlets is insane. Most of us cannot afford an ev vehicle we are concerned about the cost of our food., whether we are safe in our streets, can get a doctors appointment, and having to listen to all this gender crap from extremists, brain washing of our kids at school and a media which has lost its compass. I give up they are all a bunch of clowns, and WE pay their wages.
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September 6, 2023 3:13pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Taxes on petrol/diesel vehicles to finance EV charging points? Get fucked!
  Blackmail! just like the Covid ‘nobody was forced to get the vaccine.’
  You vote in a Government and the bastards turn on you! Thanks all you Labour voters in 2017 and 2020 – you pricks!
  
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  September 6, 2023 4:19pm
Fisiani2

Stand beside a busy road holding a placard/hoarding. Hoarding on walls are wallpaper, but human beings holding one get noticed
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September 6, 2023 3:17pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Dear..

No-one wants to buy NZ’s dodgy Carbon Credits.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/132885845/carbon-credit-auction-fails-again-depriving-treasury-of-about-900-million
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September 6, 2023 3:27pm
- bjools
  
  An even bigger hole in the govt.s books.
  Due to the ETS black market corruption.
  
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  September 6, 2023 3:30pm
- Ghost
  
  Poor Grant, he just can’t get a break on trying to fill the hole in the PREFU
  
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  September 6, 2023 3:33pm
Ghost

Fourth ACT Party candidate leaves the list

David Seymour, ACT Party leader, says he doesn’t have any concerns about his party’s candidate selection process after a fourth candidate, Scott Boness, stood down.

Boness was the party’s candidate for Auckland central and was ranked 41st on the party list.

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September 6, 2023 3:47pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  41 does not make an ACT politician methinks. So he hoped of the train before it got to the station and found he did not have a ticket.
  
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  September 6, 2023 3:57pm
  - Ghost
    
    Seems to be a bit more here
    
    Boness would not give a reason for his withdrawal, saying he wanted to wait until “the other side” of the election.
    
    He said: “Be as cynical, as theoretical as you want, but you never know what the potential outcome of a story might have on the way people view how they vote.”
    
    Article
    
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    September 6, 2023 4:02pm
Ghost

I’m going to guess home detention and a copy of jacinda’s next book, autographed.

Two young women have allegedly stolen $40,000 worth of groceries, in a spate of supermarket thefts that span just two months.

According to police, the 22-year-old and 26-year-old are facing 29 charges of theft after targetting Auckland supermarkets.

The pair were caught after police noticed a car driving with smashed rear windscreen – and recognised the girls as the offenders wanted for numerous shoplifting incidents.

Article
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September 6, 2023 5:10pm
- septic skeptic
  
  I wonder if they stashed away enough tinfoil 😡
  
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  September 6, 2023 5:18pm
- Matt Long
  
  Cultural report and suspended sentence.
  
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  September 6, 2023 8:38pm
fernglas

I would like to highlight some of the fallacious assumptions which underpin promises being made by political parties of all stripes this election campaign
1) That New Zealand will return to pre-covid levels of tourism. Currently it’s at about 75%. In Spain, Greece and in other Mediterranean countries it’s at about 105%. The world has returned to and passed pre-covid tourism. New Zealand is remote, expensive to access and visit, and its approach to Covid lockdowns has put people off taking the risk. Don’t bet on tourism
2) That Chinese house buyers will rush back into the market. They won’t. The Chinese economy is in the shitter. The Chinese will buy in Australia, Canada and the US ahead of New Zealand. That doesn’t leave much money over.
3) That overseas student levels will return to pre-covid levels. See 1) above. They haven’t and won’t, particularly when New Zealand’s education system becomes progressively inward looking.
4) That inflation will reduce. It won’t. The NZ economy is in the doldrums. The only way to avoid becoming a third world country is to borrow even more. Borrowing causes inflation
5) That lots of highly skilled people will fall over themselves to come and boost the economy. In fact the reverse is true. Lots of highly skilled people are falling over themselves to leave. The health system is in decline, crime levels seem to be heading up, and the country is becoming badly polarised. Sure, that applies to Oz, Canada, and the US as well, but they are far more attractive destinations.
The reality that will have to be grappled with is that there is only one way that New Zealand will have a future. Work more, borrow less.
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September 6, 2023 5:24pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Work more, borrow less. Not many votes in that of course, and therein lies the problem.
  Point 5 is the real killer IMO. For some reason NZ seems to prefer and put it’s resources into the needy rather than the capable. The Nats tax package is a good example – can’t have a tax cut that reduces tax in proportion to how much tax people actually pay. Instead they propose to maybe look at the 39% rate in the 2nd term – or maybe not.
  
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  September 6, 2023 6:33pm
- Cinematic
  
  Well said. The hubris from Labour in expecting a return to pre COVID numbers after a series of lockdowns that would make the CCP blush. NZ is finding out the hard way there are other places on Earth just as nice if not nicer.
  
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  September 6, 2023 7:04pm
Swifty

Meth, firearm and ammo, cash from significant drug dealing and a vicious, nasty, extremely harmful unprovoked assault:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christchurch-man-joshua-webb-jailed-for-unprovoked-attack-that-left-victims-jaw-held-together-by-only-skin-and-flesh/OKXYDJOASZEILPM3RE6R4A3OPA/

A fair sentence?
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September 6, 2023 5:51pm
- Ghost
  
  I read that a few minutes ago, got to treat him with the respect he deserves, thought fuck off and closed it down.
  
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  September 6, 2023 5:55pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Oma rapiti oma rapti ron run run!
Palay school TV1 news is on, and the speaker of the house took over at 5..59pm,
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September 6, 2023 6:01pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Play school* ffs.
  
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  September 6, 2023 6:02pm
Ghost

I don’t know, I just think that these might be a bit too salty

The Project host Kanoa Lloyd accidentally sparked fits of laughter on Tuesday when she messed up her pronunciation of “comeback” when talking about Roses chocolates.
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September 6, 2023 6:08pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300965259/former-auckland-fashion-designer-and-car-dealer-sentenced-for-300k-tax-fraud
Why on earth would Stuff embed a video of David Parker in this article, talking about some other topic ?
I cannot see any connection.
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September 6, 2023 6:58pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Gutter Journalism.
  
  The video on David Parker is from April 26.
  
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  September 6, 2023 7:32pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I think more likely Hanlon’s Razor is in play.
    
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    September 6, 2023 8:14pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Perhaps…
      
      but maybe David Parker is becoming a non-person to Labour devotees.
      
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      September 6, 2023 8:26pm
- Ghost
  
  Herald have been doing that with crime articles, having videos of luxon embedded at the top of the article
  
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  September 6, 2023 10:25pm
greybeard

Chris Hipkins: New Zealand’s very own walking and talking example of Artificial Intelligence.
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September 6, 2023 7:02pm
Fisiani2

If Labour score 24% then Robertson has no seat.
If Labour lose a lot of electorates then Robertson gets a seat.
That explains why Labour will lose Ohariu, Hutt South and Wellington Central
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