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Bridgenag

USA Friday Funnies with nice little video for car buffs
https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/friday-funnies-modern-life?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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September 2, 2023 8:01am
Matt Long

Labour Ruined It For You;
Mental health, no beds for border line cases who are going to jail instead.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/judge-slams-lack-of-allocated-mental-health-beds-for-whangarei-courts/MMGJVZDCZZEZ3IG46JEWEQD33E/
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September 2, 2023 8:06am
- Lee C
  
  I worked in Auckland Mens’ Prison as a Tutor years ago.
  There was one Wing in which I’d estimate 70+% of the inmates really should have been in other supervised settings due to mental health/incapacity.
  
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  September 2, 2023 8:10am
  - Opie
    
    To be fair, there was a lot less violent crime when institutions like lake Alice and the Kimberly centre were operating.
    
    I’m not saying that bad things didn’t happen there, they did but they did perform the most important thing, keeping psychos out of civilized society.
    
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    September 2, 2023 8:20am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Mental Health problems start when the patient/client stops taking their medication and self medicate with pot and meth.
    Unfortunately my son is one of them. Every time he derails it is the same thing. He has a Mental problem but is not violent – just loses touch with reality, so goes to a Mental Facility.
    
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    September 2, 2023 10:57am
    - Opie
      
      Yep, the pot brings out the dark manipulative side and the meth the violent side.
      
      Mental health issues plus drugs = bad
      
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      September 2, 2023 12:33pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Sorry to hear about that Steve, can’t be easy dealing with that.
      
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      September 2, 2023 1:10pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        It wasn’t, but it is ok now. He is 49 and has nothing to his name. I was chasing him around the Shore when he was 14. I don’t bother helping him much now. He knows his situation is entirely his fault. He says I can afford to give him money, how did I get to having a few bucks? You know. Never held a job for more than 3 weeks. Get paid, straight to the booze and dope.
        He lost an eye in a fight (over drugs) Now I’m not sure how much he got from ACC, but it is all gone. He got a few thousand from a bequeathment, all gone.
        
        Rant over. Sorry.
        
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        September 2, 2023 3:14pm
    - Observer of Life
      
      SteveO: Sorry to hear about your son. It must be hard to watch.
      
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      September 2, 2023 10:49pm
  - Stellaboxer
    
    I worked in Rimutaka 13 years ago mostly under Clark’s regime. The trick then was to put people on the At Risk unit and expect at risk officers to look after inmates who were obviously mentally ill. The mental health bods would come in and review each inmate and tell us that they couldn’t be moved to a secure mental facility because they didn’t have a recognised mental illness that it was all behavioural. As the inmate neared release date they would rush in and certify them and remove them to a secure mental health facility. They knew all the time that the guys were too dangerous to be let out and they knew there weren’t any beds available so they left them with us untrained in the needs of these unfortunate creatures until the last minute and then snatched the hope of freedom and going home from them and locked them up elsewhere for an open ended period after they had served their sentences. Had they had treatment earlier they may well of been able to go home after the completion of their sentences. We constantly protested about this to no avail apart from thinly veiled threats of rotation and transfer. So much for caring Labour.
    
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    September 2, 2023 1:19pm
- Jack5
  
  Didn’t Labour claim it was putting $2 billion into improving mental health services?
  
  But what did NZ get? Certainly no new hospitals jammed full, overworked psychiatrists now even fewer in number. Nurse shortage, too.
  
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  September 2, 2023 8:49am
  - JackRabbit
    
    $2 Billion dollars spent – Done
    On the public mental health – Done
    Outcomes achieved: State of Fear
    
    Is that an improvement? It is if your goal was to control the public!!!
    
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    September 2, 2023 1:01pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  While citizens can vote without first having to pass an IQ test and a political knowledge test we will have the dumb and the ignorant deciding who governs.
  Voting should be a priviledge to be earned not a right to be squandered.
  
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  September 2, 2023 9:20am
  - PeeJay
    
    So what happens when someone decides on different criteria and then you don’t meet the criteria? I understand your frustration – really I do, but as soon as you justify some minimum requirements to vote, you end up with voting rights being weaponised. For every single person saying IQ and political knowledge test, the other side give you appointed Maori. Neither is a good idea. One person, one vote – keep it simple.
    
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    September 2, 2023 9:27am
    - artemisia
      
      Agree, keep it simple. And we-the-people then live with what the majority voted for.
      
      Except…. In the country of the blind, the one-eyed person is king.
      
      In practice there are voters with one or both eyes and many of them can turn a situation to their considerable advantage. Some of us did well under Labour, not necessarily by retaining presence or assets in the country.
      
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      September 2, 2023 9:45am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        If we learnt anything from the last 6 years of…
        
        1. mindless voting (my not stupid neighnour told me he voted for jacinda because the nats didn’t manage christchurch well, when i asked him why he thought jacinda would manage christchurch better, he didn’t poffer a reply)
        
        2. hidden agendas emerging after the election
        
        3. Ideologically driven reversal of successful policies (3 strikes, charter schools, preprepared pandemic plan, etc)
        
        4. and corruption (the enrichment of the Maori Kings family with future Koha to labour Ministers. The billions inexplicably paid to consultants, labour Ministers families receiving lucrative government contracts, etc.)
        
        Citizens referenda are a MUST to ensure NZs democracy is not abused again by politicians promising nirvana at election time, then pulling their HIDDEN self enrichment schemes out as soon as the election is won.
        
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        September 2, 2023 1:58pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        Direct democracy produces far worse government. Eg the state of California, because everything becomes dominated by low information voters who will always say yes to the good sounding phrasing of the referendum on the ballot, without thought to the less obvious consequences or costs.
        
        Representative democracy and republics are far better because at least the politicians making decisions have (in almost all cases) a triple digit IQ.
        
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        September 2, 2023 5:33pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        We made very good decisions in the end of life and Marijuana referenda.
        
        Meanwhile your high IQ leaders conducted the most expensive covid response in the OECD. poisoned a nation with a vaccine medsafe told them wasn’t safe or effective,
        oversae record breaking ongoing mortality (including in our youth) and racked up $120billion debt whilst achieving worse outcomes.
        
        Genius!
        
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        September 3, 2023 10:49am
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      Agreed, keep it to one adult = one vote. Several problems with the IQ criterion, not least being the fact that intelligent people can believe incredibly stupid things. Like a few academics I know …
      
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      September 2, 2023 11:35am
      - Che Guava
        
        Sure, some people with nominally high IQ are actually pretty irrational, but making 18 years of age the only criterion hoovers up every braindead moron and low-information halfwit into the voting pool.
        
        Because our system depends on manipulation of the masses by appealing to the lowest common denominator and playing on our basest instincts, of course the powers that be prefer the electorate to be as dumb as possible. If smart people made the decisions, they’d probably start by usurping the powers that be.
        
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        September 2, 2023 11:43am
  - Che Guava
    
    On the assumption that in a genuine democracy, the people are sovereign and govern via representatives who enact the majority will, then everyone has a duty to be knowledgeable, informed, discerning and engaged. If they are idiots who don’t know and don’t care, then, by the definition of democracy, they have abdicated their right to vote by breaching their duty.
    
    It is completely arbitrary to allow anyone over 18 to vote, because age has nothing to do with the definition of democracy, whereas an ability to govern has everything to do with it.
    
    Of course, what we laughably call “democracy” bears no resemblance at all to what I have described, and under our so-called democracy. In fact, allowing the ignorant and the irresponsible and the easily manipulated to “decide” is a fundamental principle. If only the rational, discerning and the dispassionate got a vote, every so-called democracy would be drastically different.
    
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    September 2, 2023 9:37am
    - lastmanstanding
      
      Which is why I have no problem with 16yos voting providing they can prove they have the capacity and capability by passing an IQ test and a political knowledge test.
      Remember there is no right to drive a car or pilot an aircraft for very good reasons. I say dumb uninformed voting is a danger to society.
      
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      September 2, 2023 9:43am
      - Che Guava
        
        It’s no coincidence that as the franchise has expanded and the reach of mass media has increased and become ubiquitous, once coherent societies have degenerated. Manipulating the idiots, the emotional and the short-sighted via the 24/7 media that drives the agendas of the unaccountable elite is the operative principle in modern “democracies.” In general, people’s opinions are adopted whole, not reached through a rational process. As I’ve said before, modern democracy is rule by media.
        
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        September 2, 2023 9:50am
      - Flossie
        
        Still we are constantly hearing of criminals getting off with a slap with a wet bus ticket due to their youth. So why does anyone think they have the capacity then to make a considered vote? Let’s leave the voting age where it is,
        
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        September 2, 2023 11:11am
      - stiff cheese
        
        It’s more accurate to say we have ‘government by stealth’.
        
        Policy is formulated secretly, away from public view, with no input from ‘the grassroots of society’ but instead driven by partisan activists e.g. (1) “3 Waters co-governance” — who called for that? Nothing “open and transparent” that I could see.
        (2) Net Zero, pushed by the UN and WEF (and the EU: didn’t our recent Trade Agreement require us to pay huge fines if we don’t meet our prescribed ‘targets’? That sounds like blackmail to me: “If you don’t follow our Climate Alarmism religion, we will hurt you!”).
        (3) The trans folly. There’s no evidence biological women were consulted about giving up their hitherto exclusive spaces and events.
        
        The left used to rail against “The Establishment” — now they are The Establishment. Democracy is no longer useful to them. The public aren’t supposed to have input into decision making, their task is to follow what the elites dictate from above. If members of the public assemble to discuss radical new policies*, the police will let them be hounded from a public space.
        
        * e.g. Co-governance and “let women speak” events. . . As we witnessed, nil protection from police (must have been orders from Coster). . . In future, bring a helmet.
        
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        September 2, 2023 11:14am
  - Ghost
    
    It’s amazing how many people do not support democracy and want to rig the system for their side.
    
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    September 2, 2023 11:39am
    - Che Guava
      
      I have no deep attachment to democracy. Ideally, a party that shares all of my own values would get in and never leave. I can’t imagine why, having determined the right from the wrong, the good from the bad, and the way a society should best be governed, you’d ever want to let anyone who disagrees govern.
      
      Think of it like this: any elite sports team would prefer, if possible, to crush the opposition in every game and be undefeated in perpetuity – imagine if they had an attitude where they were indifferent to winning and thought it was a good idea to give someone else a chance. It wouldn’t happen.
      
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      September 2, 2023 1:01pm
      - kisekiman
        
        This pretty well describes Singapore up until LKY checked out. They now have a creeping socialism with GST and income taxes on the increase.
        
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        September 2, 2023 3:50pm
  - rouppe
    
    Problem with that is, who gets to decide? That way we go the same route that Arden did with lock downs. She decided.
    
    A test, maybe? Who sets the test? The same people who came up with the NZ history curriculum?
    
    There is no clear criteria. At which point the least intervention by government is best
    
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    September 2, 2023 11:46am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Hmm, not really an issue of just the last six years. I worked in mental health 50 years ago. It was the same back then. My knowledge of the criminal justice system is that this is an issue that has never really been solved.
  Maybe it can never be, in part because the definition of borderline itself keeps changing. Also the drive of the last 50 years of much more mental health treatment in the community means fewer beds generally.
  Fifty years ago there was a network of mental health hospitals, built in the early part of the twentieth century that had 7,000 beds. Virtually all gone now. And a good thing too. Back in the early twentieth century there was a mental health bed for nearly 1% of the population. What did that say about attitudes to mental health back then?
  
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  September 2, 2023 9:36am
  - David Garrett
    
    Wayne: I completely disagree that it is “a good thing too” that all mental hospitals were closed.
    
    A friend of mine was one of those tasked with “selling” the new policy of community care back in the late 80’s. As you must know, said community care has never been adequate, which has resulted not only in great distress for many sufferers of mental health illness, but many deaths at the hands of schizos who should have been in secure facilities.
    
    Again as you clearly know, such people only remain well when they take their meds, and with the great holes in community care, ensuring that all such persons keep to their treatment regime is impossible.
    
    Finally, your claim that it is somehow dreadful that there were once mental health beds for 1% of the population, I say “so what?”. Before some of the major diseases – such as TB – were conquered, there would have been X% of beds for those diseases too.
    
    And as you know, I speak with some authority, having been a “consumer” of mental health services for almost 50 years. I remain dependent on pills to keep me well – but because I am not a schizo, I don’t need someone to ensure I keep taking them.
    
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    September 2, 2023 10:18am
  - igm
    
    Maybe the Helen Clark Foundation has answers to these problems.
    It is financially supporting the unemployable Labourites to keep up their continued ruination of New Zealand socially and economically.
    
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    September 2, 2023 10:22am
    - Ghost
      
      How is the Helen Clark foundation financially supporting labour?
      
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      September 2, 2023 10:27am
      - igm
        
        Do you only read/listen to Labour-funded media?
        Clark is funding 1/1 donations toward Labour’s re-election because their supporters are takers, not givers!
        Maybe no wonder, they want to sleep, breed and bludge not work and be thrifty.
        
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        September 2, 2023 11:12am
      - Ghost
        
        Actually you need to go read again. The Helen Clark foundation is not involved in that donation. Helen Clark is and she is not matching donations, she is part of a group of people who are matching donations, she is personally not matching it 1/1, the group she belongs to is.
        
        A donation drive backed dollar-for-dollar by former Labour Prime Minister Helen Clark and a small group of donors has earned her former party $400,000 in a week.
        
        And in just over 24 hours since Clark announced she was part of the group of “fund-matchers”, the party raised nearly $270,000.
        
        It is currently unclear how much Clark, who was Prime Minister from 1999 until 2008, will be contributing but if it is above $20,000 – as with any others – it will be required to be reported publicly by the party within 10 working days.
        
        Article
        
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        September 2, 2023 11:21am
  - Matt Long
    
    Hi Wayne, I certainly appreciate your insider’s view of the failings of previous governments, however the Judge is expressing surprise at the lake of available beds which implies he is used to having more facilities available.
    I acknowledge judges make political statements also to attempt to change resourcing.
    
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    September 2, 2023 11:35am
  - cmm
    
    Wayne: My mother was frequently in and out of mental hospitals. She spent perhaps a third to a half of her adult life in them.
    This is the best place for people like her. Regular hospitals are not the right place. Nor is prison (she didn’t commit any crimes).
    
    Shutting down mental hospitals and ejecting the patients onto the street is absurd as shutting down maternity hospitals and telling women to have their babies in the street.
    
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    September 2, 2023 11:53am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      I agree that we have to have mental hospital beds. My comment was really directed towards the Oakley, Kingseat type institutions, both of which I worked in, including the criminal section at Oakley. They were pretty bleak institutions. The film “One flew over the Cuckoo’s nest” was all to close to the reality that I experienced as junior staff.
      I know that is in the past and modern facilities are far superior, though maybe not enough of them.
      
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      September 2, 2023 12:41pm
      - goNZ1
        
        One flew over the Cuckoo’s nest” is a good description to the last 6 years crazy and irresponsible policies from LabourGreen Neanderthals
        
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        September 2, 2023 1:49pm
      - kisekiman
        
        goNZ1…and we all know who our “Nurse Ratched” was.
        
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        September 2, 2023 4:13pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Intelligence is a relative new comer in evolutionary terms, with a lot of faults and failures cropping up as part of the genetic lottery – and evolution is designed to take big gambles on brains – a key decider between stellar success and abject failure as an adult in a competitive world
    
    Over last few millenia only about 40% of males and 80% of females got to have kids, so evolution sees benefit in throwing the dice on brains to produce the occasional Genghis with 10’s of millions of descendents. It’s not at all surprising that a substantial fraction of (particularly) men have brains that are only marginally capable of survival in society. 3% have IQ <70 (= -2σ form 100IQ mean, a higher proportion of them men due to increased variability), which means basically unable to hold a job.
    
    1% needing to be institutionalised or permanently cared for is just a sad natural consequence of evolutionary biological processes.
    
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    September 2, 2023 5:46pm
Tomtoddy

Catastrophic climate change. Here is a simple test. The warmists’ claims rely on “feedbacks” to push predicted temperatures much higher than CO2 can do on its own. They say higher temperatures adds moisture to the atmosphere making it even hotter.

However, there has been no additional moisture added in the last 50 years. Various studies show no change. Maybe the “feedback” theory is wrong????
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September 2, 2023 8:07am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  NASA, drawing on the US Geological Survey, seems to think different
  
  https://climate.nasa.gov/explore/ask-nasa-climate/3143/steamy-relationships-how-atmospheric-water-vapor-amplifies-earths-greenhouse-effect/
  
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  September 2, 2023 8:34am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Will Happer talks about this positive feedback hypothesis a little bit on this Heartland Institute YT vid put out this morning.
  
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  September 2, 2023 8:41am
  - Bridgenag
    
    100 ticks
    
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    September 2, 2023 9:12am
slightlyrighty

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300961435/ramraiding-teen-subject-of-rare-court-battle-over-what-to-do-with-him

After over 30 offences, including car thefts, burglaries, ramraids on stores including Michael Hill Jewellery, Two Degrees and Spark, a vape shop, the King of Swords store in Napier and driving a stolen car across school grounds causing significant damage and police pursuits, the Police made an application to the Family Court for an order which would see the teen placed in the custody of Oranga Tamariki.

It was opposed by Oranga Tamariki.

why?

Well, the lawyer for OT came out with the usual platitudes about working with the whanau while abiding with the principles of the treaty.

Do these idoits think that the treaty actually excuses this behavior?

Fortunatly, the judge, Judge Callinicos, was having none of this BS. He granted the application for the custody order, with a requirement that the teen was not placed with whānau unless by order of the court, and required the teen’s care plan to be reviewed within six months.
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September 2, 2023 8:07am
- cmm
  
  Reviewed in 6 months?
  50 cents and a servo pie says he will before the beak a long time before 6 months are up.
  
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  September 2, 2023 11:57am
- KH
  
  Judge Callinicos, was the guy who over ruled the system which wanted a child removed from a great foster home – for the sole reason the foter parents were the ‘wrong’ ethnicity.
  He should have got a knighthood for that one alone.
  
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  September 2, 2023 1:15pm
  - alwyn.a
    
    Unfortunately OT kept hassling the couple providing the foster care until they could no longer handle the strain or the cost of the legal proceedings.
    They had to give up the child to the care(?) of OT.
    God knows what state she is in now.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/oranga-tamariki-moana-custody-case-foster-parents-give-girl-back-to-state-amid-unviable-situation/M6OV5FQAXBEYTL7LKXZUGKM6AU/
    
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    September 2, 2023 2:40pm
Lee C

Hands up if you think the Government will try to exploit another ‘COvid Outbreak’ to get on Daily Prime Time Television as the heroes of the day pre the upcoming election?
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September 2, 2023 8:08am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I think that could badly backfire.
  
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  September 2, 2023 8:25am
  - Che Guava
    
    If people have been paying attention for the past 3 years it will. However, a good number still just don’t get it and cannot compute that we’ve been cynically lied to and manipulated by ambitious yes-men and women who are beholden to psychopaths with an anti-human agenda.
    
    To borrow an idea, “what if they held a pandemic and nobody showed up?”
    
    Sooner or later they will try it again, and the question is, do you just talk big on blogs and social media or are you willing to act with honour and integrity and refuse to submit to what you know are lies and manipulation, even at the risk of a great cost or an actual great cost. The alternative is slavery.
    
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    September 2, 2023 8:36am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Well put Che.
      NZ seems to talk a good game until it comes to the crunch.
      Then the self preservation gene kicks in.
      I think Martin Luther King said: I may forget the words of my enemies, but I will never forget the silence of my friends.
      
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      September 2, 2023 9:48am
      - Che Guava
        
        That’s the most pernicious aspect: they know that the policies go against the general will (“democracy,” by the way), but they also know that most are so invested in the system and so afraid to go against what they are made to believe is the general will (that’s where media control, censorship and dehumanising dissenters comes in) that they will cave in and go along to get along. All it takes is for 25% (or more) to flatly refuse, and it’s game over. The whole thing depends on compliance. Better to reject it now while it’s possible, than to wait for later when it’s not. None of it is in our interests.
        
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        September 2, 2023 10:33am
  - Guy Preston
    
    Probably BY, but when has foresight been an attribute this government has possessed?
    
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    September 2, 2023 9:00am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Bastille day down under.
    
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    September 2, 2023 9:27am
    - kowtow
      
      The French are really weird .
      
      Their national day chosen to celebrate the actions of a violent Paris mob , not specifically or democratically sanctioned by the Estates, broke into a fortress murdering some members of the garrison in order to steal weapons with which to kill other French men .
      
      Is it any wonder the modern French state has such an epidemic of urban crime .
      
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      September 2, 2023 10:07am
      - imalwaysright
        
        I think the storming of the Bastille was a wee while ago and linking it to present day crime rates, high due to unemployed illegal aliens, is precarious at best.
        
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        September 2, 2023 10:29am
      - kowtow
        
        iar
        
        A society that glorifies and emphasises its divisions will never be united.
        A society that glorifies violence as an means to political ends will never be peaceful.
        
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        September 2, 2023 1:38pm
  - PeeJay
    
    I think both of you are right!
    
    Lee C – think you could be right, at the very least, I don’t doubt that they would certainly consider going back to the good old days of the podium of truth – must certainly be tempting.
    
    Benedict – 100% backfire guaranteed. However, we are not exactly dealing with a group of deep thinkers here are we? While it would be a monumentally stupid decision, they do have form for monumentally stupid decisions!!!
    
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    September 2, 2023 9:31am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    In the US they are trying to get ERIS off the ground. Mandates and masks coming? Not yet. Wait until closer to the 2024 Election.
    Other variants are also found. The Biden admin will milk it. Fauci will be back to lie.
    Here in NZ it is too close to the end of Labour for Chippie to try his nonsense.
    
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/this-little-known-covid-variant-is-currently-on-the-rise-what-is-fornax/ar-AA1g5fMg
    
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    September 2, 2023 11:23am
- Philview
  
  I don’t see that coming but wouldn’t be surprised if Labour and friendly media have a strategy saved for a rainy day.
  
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  September 2, 2023 8:38am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Summer is on the way..
    Folks are not going to allow themselves to be locked up again.
    
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    September 2, 2023 10:15am
    - Che Guava
      
      The particular season should be irrelevant. It should all be completely rejected no matter what time of year it happens to be.
      
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      September 2, 2023 10:36am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      We will be arrested by cuddles Coster – shaking in my boots.
      
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      September 2, 2023 11:30am
      - imalwaysright
        
        S.O
        Only if you consent to be arrested.
        The rules are for everyone don’t forget !
        
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        September 2, 2023 1:00pm
- Clyde
  
  Yes, and the UK media are also running stories on the “real deal” variant. RNZ have also run stories already on this variant to lay the groundwork for more fear. https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/496911/keeping-an-eye-on-highly-mutated-covid-19-variant-ba-2-point-86
  
  Control the narrative and you control the outcome.
  
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  September 2, 2023 9:34am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    It’s simple the pharmaceutical industry are addicted to vaccines. They make them a fortune and as luck would have it they’ve fortuitously just come up with a booster for this very variant. Add to that the fact that there is a representative on every single media outlets board in the US ensuring the correct narrative is being pushed and hey presto new pandemic.
    
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    September 2, 2023 9:52am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The “safe and effective” people make a fortune as well.
      
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      September 2, 2023 11:32am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Let them try, we keep hearing about some new covid variant, but nothing official, no sign of large scale infection
  
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  September 2, 2023 11:15am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    No sign – yet!
    
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    September 2, 2023 11:34am
  - cmm
    
    They’re keeping the ball in the back of the scrum. Maybe in 3 weeks?
    
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    September 2, 2023 2:29pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      With these crooked clowns nothing would surprise me.
      They lie you know.
      
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      September 2, 2023 3:16pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Good news. The Mama Hooch brothers are Australian, which means they are liable for deportation following completion of sentence.
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September 2, 2023 8:08am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Deport them now. Why should the Taxpayers foot the bill?
  17 years in the hinaki. What does that cost, even after parole?
  
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  September 2, 2023 11:39am
  - goNZ1
    
    And the mosque murderer, export him now,why should tax payers here spend millions on such filth?
    
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    September 2, 2023 1:53pm
  - fernglas
    
    So foreigners can come to NZ, commit appalling crimes and after conviction be flown back to their home country without serving any sentence? Boy, that will stop them in their tracks.
    
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    September 2, 2023 1:58pm
    - david
      
      Well, it happened for the Rainbow Warrior terrorists ( or was that OK cos they were French Government agents?)
      
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      September 2, 2023 8:13pm
  - Ghost
    
    So do you want to tell the survivors of these scum, sorry your were raped but they won’t be held accountable for their crimes in New Zealand. That’s a good message to send to the world, come to N.Z. and commit a crime, we don’t care, we will just send you home.
    
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    September 2, 2023 8:18pm
Tony Stuart

So Labour has been busted for pushing out disinformation about National/Act policies. Well guess what; history repeats.

https://cdn.asa.co.nz/backend/documents/2020/09/24/20467.pdf?fbclid=IwAR01iyed777UOWEPq726cSZ4lNiaov9UZPhABQHjS1d5BHZmdOLmromv7oE
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September 2, 2023 8:10am
- Frank the tank
  
  Where is Kate Hannah? You can bet your last dollar if it was National/Act her team would be out in force.
  
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  September 2, 2023 8:17am
Opie

Thomas Cranmer.

Turns out he didn’t out himself deliberately, but released an article in English media in april under his real name and then released it here as Cranmer.

Business desk picked it up and then it sounds like they bullied him into coming clean and then released an article which was supposed to contain analysis and counter points to his position on 3 waters etc. Nope, they just attacked him and said he was wrong with no evidence to show why.

This of course sums up what is wrong with “journalists” in this country. No appetite to get details on anything, just spew out what he government tells them.

Cranmer/Crump was a beacon of light in exposing corruption, nepotism and poor practice.

Hopefully he continues, our media would learn a lot from him. Instead they will probably be frantically searching for a way to get him cancelled before he shows them up any further. I hope he has paid all his parking tickets.

Really good interview from Peter Williams with Crump on reality check radio here:
https://www.podbean.com/ep/pb-xkf4f-1495339

Or if that link doesn’t work go to this page and click the Cranmer link:

https://realitycheck.radio/replays/afternoon-show-replays/
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September 2, 2023 8:16am
- ClanMcleod
  
  RCR is a real beacon of hope in NZ media currently. Some of the interviews are next level good.
  
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  September 2, 2023 9:49am
  - Opie
    
    People that aren’t afraid to ask intelligent questions and be called out as racist, just because the people that are up to no good are of a certain skin colour.
    
    By the sound of it, crump will be looking at any new government as well, he is not politically motivated
    
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    September 2, 2023 12:39pm
- kowtow
  
  That “outting” is presented in a completely different way in today’s Herald.
  
  Funnily enough had they done it on social media then “doxxing ” might be appropriate .
  
  How queer.
  
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  September 2, 2023 10:10am
- Cantabrian
  
  Plunket had a good interview with Crump last night. He’s obviously known who Thomas Cranmer is for some time. A good chat.
  https://theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/sean-plunket-meets-the-real-thomas-cranmer
  
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  September 2, 2023 11:00am
- stiff cheese
  
  The next step is the corporate-controlled media do a deep archaeological dig into his social media history.
  
  Has he ever criticized ‘Globalism’? If you criticize that, reporter Benedict Collins of ‘One News’, will link you to a racist ideology.
  
  Smear by association. Tactic of the Left.
  
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  September 2, 2023 12:10pm
Jack5

Can anyone here succinctly explain the police interviewing method that Stuff’s sleuths are rabbiting on about today?

They’ve got a lot to say about the technique but what is it?

🥶Aside: has artificial intelligence arrived at Kiwiblog? It’s guessing what I’m going to type, and I can accept the guess by hitting the tab key. Or is this happening because I’ve used the Microsoft Edge browser for a change?

PS: Microsoft Edge’s emojis work in the editing panel, but don’t seem to work in the thread.

Stuff on cops’ interviewing:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/132848353/the-damning-emails-about-a-controversial-interview-technique-police-tried-to-keep-secret
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September 2, 2023 8:24am
- thirteenstars
  
  Edge. Turn that “feature” off, I suggest.
  
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  September 2, 2023 9:54am
  - Bevan
    
    You got a problem with predictive text? It’s been around for ages.
    
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    September 2, 2023 10:08am
    - thirteenstars
      
      A “problem with?” You don’t work for Big Predictive Text, do you?
      
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      September 2, 2023 10:41am
  - JJ56
    
    I think he’s saying try Firefox instead …
    
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    September 2, 2023 10:20am
    - Jack5
      
      Plenty of browsers to choose from. I use Opera quite a bit, but not as much as Google Chrome. Brave is tempting.
      
      I thought I would give Microsoft Edge a try, and, as Microsoft claimed, it has improved, but Chrome is still my work horse.
      
      The Moderators may have figures on the predominant browser used in Kiwiblog access.
      
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      September 2, 2023 10:36am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It just seems to be a very informal lot of chat sessions…. with the cops having the ability to manipulate the responses from the folks they are ~~interviewing~~ chatting with.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130632862/the-strategic-hunters-and-the-controversial-police-approach-to-solving-cold-cases
  
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  September 2, 2023 10:18am
- Lee C
  
  I may have the dubious ‘honour’ of being the first on KB to use Chat GPT to issue a couple of satirical narratives – one likening Trump to Oliver Twist – some time back, Jack…
  
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  September 2, 2023 10:51am
Tomtoddy

If you want to know how dysfunctional, ridiculous and expensive our justice system has become read https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300961435/ramraiding-teen-subject-of-rare-court-battle-over-what-to-do-with-him

More Treaty rubbish and soft treatment options that are turning our country into a basket case, unsafe, divided and unattractive.
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September 2, 2023 8:28am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/blackmail-auckland-high-school-boys-caught-after-bungled-scheme/S4P24RMUZ5GXDLEZJAHVTXSTTI/
  
  “A get-rich-quick blackmail scam devised by teenagers from an affluent Auckland school culminated in a citizens’ arrest and a court date.
  
  But three years on, the case has concluded with a discharge without conviction, permanent name suppression and a victim questioning if justice was done.”
  
  “The Judge referenced the fact the frontal cortex of the brain is still developing in teenagers, which can limit their reasoning ability or tendency to think before they act.”
  
  Anyone who has brought up kids knows that they need boundaries and consequences or they never grow up.
  
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  September 2, 2023 8:43am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    “The Judge referenced the fact the frontal cortex of the brain is still developing in teenagers, which can limit their reasoning ability or tendency to think before they act“ which is exactly why contrary to public opinion Labour and the Greens want to give them the vote.
    
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    September 2, 2023 10:05am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Labour and Greens know this of course, but try and get them to admit it is almost impossible.
      
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      September 2, 2023 11:46am
- artemisia
  
  Oranga Tamariki has been approached for comment.
  
  Not holding my breath for anything substantive. I foresee some trenchant conversations with OT coming up.
  
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  September 2, 2023 8:47am
- CJames
  
  The interesting part of the story is this:
  “The Family Court hearing, before Judge Peter Callinicos on Wednesday, was a formal proof hearing that was required as the teen’s parents hadn’t provided statements.
  Lawyer for Oranga Tamariki, Stormie Waapu, said the organisation had not consented to custody orders earlier because “it was a very evolving, changing situation for [the teen]”.”
  I cannot think the Judge will be very sympathetic to OT, especially if they claim principles of the Treaty or the cultural report.
  
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  September 2, 2023 8:48am
  - Nickc2
    
    IMO, OT is not fit for purpose and must be disbanded ASAP. They are interpreting the TOW as comprising a GET OUT OF JAIL FREE card as a racial entitlement benefiting Maori.
    
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    September 2, 2023 9:03am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    They did claim that they were adhereing to the principles of the Treaty….
    
    That did not go down well….
    
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    September 2, 2023 9:24am
  - PeeJay
    
    While we have several judges that don’t seem to deserve to be on the bench, but it would seem that Callinicos certainly deserves his place on the bench.
    
    He’s stood up to OT before (remember the Maori girl that OT wanted to remove from a safe foster situation because they weren’t Maori).
    
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    September 2, 2023 9:41am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    This is why Maori Elite want Co-Governance, because it is not co-governance, it is Tribal Rule – Tyranny.
    They want the rogue Treaty preserved. Going back to the original Treaty would stop the ongoing Gravy Train.
    
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    September 2, 2023 11:51am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Why does Oranga Tamariki think it is preferable that young folk remain in violent, drug-addled, dysfunctional families that are either incapable of, or unwilling to look after their children?
  
  That lawyer, Sara Fisher, became increasingly concerned about the teen’s living environment, which involved drug use and family violence,….
  
  Callinicos said there had been signs for concern about the teen’s home situation for some time, and noted that the offending had been “serious and prolific” and occurred at all hours of the night, showing that the care and protection concerns were “well entrenched”.
  
  Are the OT staff too damn lazy to do their job, or scared of the families that are “raising” these disaffected children?
  
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  September 2, 2023 8:55am
  - kevn
    
    Maggy… OT staff involved might be related. That changes dynamics.
    
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    September 2, 2023 9:00am
  - Gravelroad
    
    I think it is more that the way this youth has been brought up, treated and used is becoming the norm for OT, rather than an unacceptable occasional blip.
    When you see hundreds and hundreds of kids living this way, it is nothing OT can have influence over -even if they wanted to or had the capability.
    No one is allowed to question or criticise the harmful parenting or family activities surrounding these kids.
    If you do, it is racism or because of colonisation – not because of gangs, drugs, alcohol and a disrespect for the law.
    
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    September 2, 2023 9:14am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Well said Gravel.
      
      The frog is boiling itself.
      
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      September 2, 2023 9:30am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Needs way more upticks. People forget about the frog.
        
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        September 2, 2023 11:53am
- Clyde
  
  Feral parents raising feral kids – all hanging off the teat of the Liemore Pardy and the proceeds of drug dealing through their gangs. Only one way to deal with this mess. Parents into court and charged with failing to provide. I’ll be voting for a party that isn’t soft on this sort of shit.
  
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  September 2, 2023 9:15am
- Scott
  
  Say what you like about this Labour government, they have radically changed our country. One thing you may not have noticed that they have changed is this – you don’t have to work anymore to get a benefit. Previously you had to be looking for work and if you were temporarily unemployed you got a benefit. Now there appears to be no pressure on people to get a job. I’m not talking about sick people, I’m talking about able-bodied people.
  
  One fellow, I’ll call him Trevor, I met through one of our church ministries where we feed the poor. I have never seen Trevor sober. This week I saw him outside the picture theatre and he told me he had six beers that day. His main problem was that he didn’t feel that he had enough beer. Him and his girlfriend were going to the movies. He sleeps on the streets and spends his money on alcohol and drugs. To be honest he seems happy enough living in his own little world, constantly drunk and stoned.
  
  But here is the thing. He is happy in his own little world. Are you happy to be paying for it?
  
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  September 2, 2023 9:29am
  - Clyde
    
    No, I’m not happy paying for Trevor’s lifestyle. But Sepaloni is. And the rest of the Liemore Pardy.
    
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    September 2, 2023 9:37am
    - Paulus
      
      Wasn’t Sepaloni cogniscent of the Welfare Fraud for which her Mother was convicted too !
      
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      September 2, 2023 1:48pm
Benedict Yu

This is a very bad outcome.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300962816/shelly-bay-sale-to-peter-jackson-and-fran-walsh-bittersweet-for-mayor-tory-whanau

Mob rule wins out. This land was legally purchased and the housing development was consented. The occupiers should have been removed to allow construction to commence.
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September 2, 2023 8:29am
- Gravelroad
  
  It’s different when Hollywood celebrities do it.
  They know what’s best.
  
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  September 2, 2023 8:34am
  - Frank Hematuria
    
    In my opinion this is a good outcome. The so-called “Hollywood celebrities” are doing Wellington a big favour. The proposed development was ugly and better suited to somewhere where few could see it, rather than dominating such a prominent site. I agree with Benedict that the occupiers should have been moved on a long time ago, but in the end this dispute between one group of (predominantly) Maori and another group (the one who sold the property to the developer) achieved the right outcome for the land itself even if it wasn’t what the occupying group were demanding.
    
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    September 2, 2023 9:29am
    - Dudley Quaffquaff
      
      What exactly is the basis of your statement that the proposed development was going to be “ugly”?
      
      Not to your taste, perhaps, but you surely can’t think that no building should be allowed unless and until everybody is in agreement that they like the expected look of it. And a developer who wants to sell to rich people is going to need to make it look attractive to them.
      
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      September 2, 2023 11:41am
    - Paulus
      
      Presumably Shelly Bay will now become a Maori Cultural Centre and Marae, for everybody if the May0r gives them permission to do anything with that she approves.
      It is not over yet and will be the subject of much confusion for quite a while.
      
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      September 2, 2023 1:52pm
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  Jackson has spent the last few years deliberately sabotaging the project, piling on additional costs and obstacles so as to reduce the value of the site and its potential, and now he’s obtained the land at what can reasonably be assumed to be a knock-down price. It may not be illegal but it stinks to high heaven
  
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  September 2, 2023 8:37am
  - Inandout
    
    DQ, that is like saying because Oprah Winfrey’s Maui land was unaffected by the wildfires she will now swoop on the affected areas for a knock down price. Pure speculation..surely?
    
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    September 2, 2023 9:49am
    - Dudley Quaffquaff
      
      No, not analogous. Oprah is in no way responsible for the destruction caused by the Maui fires, whereas Jackson has been vocal in opposition to the Shelley Bay project, thus encouraging the illegal occupiers, and provided support to legal and political challenges. He is thus partly responsible for the increased expense and reduced potential profitability of the project and hence the site. Further, I do not think Oprah actually has bought any damaged Maui land, whereas Jackson definitely has bought Shelley Bay. We are not told what the price was, but there must be a reason why he didn’t simply outbid Cassells in the first place.
      
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      September 2, 2023 11:54am
      - goNZ1
        
        Probably better left as open spaces for ratepayers to enjoy,than building more little unsightly kennels known as Affordable Homes.
        
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        September 2, 2023 2:04pm
- artemisia
  
  As a Wellingtonian the new proposal is definitely more attractive than homes set aside on a racial basis and for the ‘affordable housing’ codeword.
  
  Pretty obvious the ‘mob’ wanted a big payout in cash or kind. I guess they will get something since the word ‘cultural’ has already emerged.
  
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  September 2, 2023 8:41am
- rouppe
  
  There weren’t any occupiers there anymore. That article says they left in 2022
  
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  September 2, 2023 9:23am
- Drone
  
  This is nothing to do with “mob” rule, this is more about correcting the deals done by the Wellington Company with local iwi, and the speed of resource consent approval by the Wellington City Council that allowed this housing development to be approved, this and the realisation by Ian Cassels that with the current economic climate he probably couldn’t afford to complete the project. The deal with WCC meant that the Wellington Company were going to pay $10 million for the upgrade of , water, electricity, sewerage and roading, to the site and the good people of Wellington would pay the rest (supposedly another $10 million). Given that LGWM could only build a single pedestrian crossing for $2.5 million I think some people in the WCC were high at the time they agreed to the “deal of the century”. To add insult to injury I wet myself laughing reading Tory Whanau’s comments about the fact that there was going to be “affordable” housing included in the development.
  
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  September 2, 2023 9:44am
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    Affordable housing on that site is and always was a nonsense.
    
    But that doesn’t mean the development wouldn’t have helped with housing affordability in Wellington.
    
    If you have four houses for sale and five buyers, one of the buyers will not be able to afford a house. Add another house for sale – it doesn’t matter whether the newly added house is more or less expensive than all or some of the existing four – and prices will adjust until the fifth richest buyer is able to afford the fifth best house.
    
    Tory doesn’t understand this, but we are not obliged to share her ignorance.
    
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    September 2, 2023 12:02pm
Fisiani2

What will happen when the next poll shows that support for Labour is now 25% and falling 80% of the votes will be cast before election day and voting starts in a month. The tv debates will only affect about 8% of the undecided we have four weeks left to take the Labour vote down to 19%
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September 2, 2023 8:34am
- kowtow
  
  If you were in Georgia USA that last sentence of yours could see you in the dock.
  
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  September 2, 2023 10:15am
Vinicius

David Seymour spoke to HDPA yesterday on radio about Willie Jackson claiming rather spuriously during the Adjournment Debate in Parliament that Maori have a different set of rights because they’re recognised as the indigenous people of the country under the Treaty.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/david-seymour-act-leader-on-the-rights-granted-by-the-treaty-of-waitangi/
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September 2, 2023 8:37am
- kowtow
  
  Jackson’s spray should be a bigly news story today .
  Huge implications for how this regime views our very fragile and actively eroded democratic principles .
  
  But then our te media pahti wouldn’t be holding up their side of the contract they signed with the regime to “actively promote ” the undefined and non existent principles of tow.
  
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  September 2, 2023 10:18am
NeverMindTheBollocks

An interesting development

Paris says au revoir to rental e-scooters. No more cluttering up the footpath.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66682673
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September 2, 2023 8:42am
- artemisia
  
  There are 5 hire e-scooters outside my place right now. They do clutter up the footpath, I don’t care, but there are folk with pushchairs and tradies with gear who are not too happy at navigating them.
  
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  September 2, 2023 10:08am
Bridgenag

Hey Mods Bit rough waiting all this time for a totally innocuous post

[Mod – posts are approved when a moderator is online, putting up a number of posts that your post hasn’t been approved will achieve nothing]
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September 2, 2023 8:46am
- goNZ1
  
  Its like emergency dept at hospital. Its free but ya gotta wait a while for attention…
  
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  September 2, 2023 2:08pm
Jack5

📚Can we help poster Maggie Pie?

Yesterday she was grizzling about public libraries.

Should we put up a couple of dollars each and pay off her seven-year-old fines at the Remuera library?

Re emojis in my 8.24 post above: The problem was the browser, Microsoft Edge. The AI word guessing was Edge’s too. Back to normal with Google Chrome browser.
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September 2, 2023 8:54am
- JJ56
  
  Break out from the corporate stranglehold, try something less mainstream.
  
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  September 2, 2023 10:25am
Paulus

Just had call from son 50 (single) who has just had three days at a Conference that he has regularly avoided in Sydney.
He is stunned how different it is to Auckland CBD where he works and lives.
He has lived there before for 7 years when younger and preferred New Zealand so he returned.
He has been offered almost three times his present salary in the Financial Services Industry plus every other thing that can be included to get him there.
He is good at his job in Auckland I am told.
Sad to see him go but he has tom give three months notice and will wait to get his one time flooded townhouse in Parnell back – Don’t mention AK Council as it is over 6 months bureaucratic delayed so far.
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September 2, 2023 9:06am
sirknz

It’s a different tone when it is something that left supports.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/132846703/intimidating-behaviour-online-threats-lead-to-cancellation-of-auckland-protest-for-womens-rights-in-iran

Contrast it with anything that is trying to put out a right of cenre view.
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September 2, 2023 9:08am
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

Labour election campaign launch today. All are welcome. Come and listen to Chippie’s vision for NZ and Carmel’s campaign cry. Luxon is shivering in fear.
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September 2, 2023 9:09am
- lifesgood
  
  I always enjoy a good laugh in the morning, SCS.
  
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  September 2, 2023 9:38am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Have you nothing better to do on such a lovely day as today?
  
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  September 2, 2023 9:43am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Maggy – I am arranging the chairs at Labour’s campaign launch venue. What can be better than arranging the chairs on the deck of …….you get the drift….
    
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    September 2, 2023 10:18am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Make sure you’re wearing your life jacket, then…and pack a parachute, just in case.
      
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      September 2, 2023 10:34am
    - imalwaysright
      
      SCS,
      Put Nearer My God To Thee on the grammaphone and watch the Mexican wave of apoplexy ripple through the room.
      
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      September 2, 2023 1:09pm
- All_on_Red
  
  You need a Spine to be able to shiver.
  
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  September 2, 2023 9:49am
- Biscuit
  
  Sir Cullen, to save you the trouble of watching it all:
  
  • Fanfare
  • Entry of The Great Chris
  • Mucho red balloons and streamers
  • Two minutes for The Great Chris to get to the stage
  • Forty minutes of babble explaining why The Great Chris can be trusted to run the country he and his ilk have demonstrably grossly mismanaged for six years
  • Exit of The Great Chris
  • Effect on the general public, i.e. the ones NOT invited by the Party or provided with red balloons and streamers, nil…
  
  [To be fair, I am thinking that The Other Great Chris will launch HIS campaign with similar shenanigans, but with Blue featuring rather than Red.]
  
  A waste of time …
  
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  September 2, 2023 10:26am
  - wsk12345
    
    You forgot to mention the subsequent t week or promotion of the conference buzz words by Te Media.
    
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    September 2, 2023 11:22am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Luxon is doing his campaign opening at the same time, he will have a full house as usual, as the ginger whinger will be talking to a few foot soldiers
  
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  September 2, 2023 11:26am
- goNZ1
  
  Chippi is pleading for us victims to give him another 3 years to shows us his wonderful abilities as PM. And here’s silly me thinking he was #3 in Cabinet for the last 6 years helping NZ into the state its in today!
  
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  September 2, 2023 2:12pm
Jack5

A meat exporting group that’s reviewing staff numbers, has a Woke title for its media person.

Her title: Alliance Group General Manager People and Culture.

Perhaps that should be General Manager People and Carnivore Culture.

Alliance Group has five meat-processing plants around the country.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/132857157/staff-cuts-coming-at-meat-processor-alliance
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September 2, 2023 9:13am
- Gravelroad
  
  We tend to have a lot of respect for animals here (although they are not “our babies” as is claimed in the stupid TV advert for pet insurance).
  Farm animals are quite straight forward and can be relied upon to regularly produce something of value without a lot of emotion and hype.
  Which is not something that can be said of a lot of people.
  
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  September 2, 2023 9:37am
- Taieri
  
  Alliance Group General Manager People and Culture
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  They used to be called Personnel Officers…
  
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  September 2, 2023 10:00am
  - jonno1
    
    Or ‘Wage clerks’.
    
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    September 2, 2023 11:35am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I am fairly sure that title is what used to be called “Human Resources Manager”.
  
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  September 2, 2023 10:03am
  - PeeJay
    
    Seem to remember referring to them as Human Remains department…..
    
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    September 2, 2023 10:56am
  - Paulus
    
    Nah ! before that as Taieri above
    Personnel Department.
    Now mostly run by women who think they run the Company, and should be on the Board to do so.
    
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    September 2, 2023 11:14am
  - cmm
    
    That term is now out of fashion because it dehuminises people to call them resources.
    
    New terms are
    People engagement
    People experience
    Wellbeing
    ….
    
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    September 2, 2023 4:00pm
- Jack5
  
  Perhaps I was too hard on the personnel head honcho’s official title.
  
  It’s a cut-throat business, after all.
  
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  September 2, 2023 10:40am
- goNZ1
  
  I wonder if they pay a bonus to staff if they learn te reo? DoC does
  
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  September 2, 2023 2:14pm
I remember when

We’re angry but the show will go on, says Netball NZ boss. The Post.

Netball NZ is angry?
I would imagine that their fans, who have paid top dollars to see top netball, will be livid now that the second-tier England team has been announced.

What effect will it have on future netball ticket sales, now that the second major tour of New Zealand has been downgraded.

The top English players need a rest!
Poor wee things they had to play all of four tough games in the championships.
Are they more worried about their sponsors of their own top internal competition?

They haven’t even had the courtesy of sending the national coach with the team.
How important is the development of the selected team members?
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September 2, 2023 9:13am
- thirteenstars
  
  A the rate NZ rugby is going downhill it won’t be too long before Ireland and France send downgraded teams to our shores.
  
  Go Warriors!
  
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  September 2, 2023 10:00am
Ruahine

This is worth the time to read. It is about the creeping nonsense of ‘Partnership and Co-governence’ that this Labour Gov’t has been pushing for all its worth.
https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/
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September 2, 2023 9:18am
- PeeJay
  
  How sad is it that Clark, of all people, refused to sign the declaration due to advice of crown law, but Key was happy to sign it. As I understand it, Key felt it was aspirational and relatively meaningless. Hmm. Not so sure in hindsight that was such a clever move!
  
  My big concern is if National win (and this is looking likely but not guaranteed – lots can happen and the big bribes will come from Labour), unless ACT have a really strong presence in a coalition, National will not make any big move on the treaty itself. Just like Key, there are too many who don’t see it as a big deal – other fish to fry etc. National have said they will unwind co-governance – I have my doubts whether they truly will but let’s take them at their word – great. The problem is that this is just kicking the can down the road – the treaty and treaty principles needs to resolved as this is the cause of activist-led interpretation and it needs to be resolved. Better to resolve it under a National / ACT government than a Labour government – remember, Labour will probably get back in at some point – maybe 3 terms or more, but they will be back.
  
  If National go on to win the election, I personally hope they don’t do quite well enough that they don’t need to concede ground on the treaty issue to ACT. Unless this is resolved now, a future Labour / Green / Maori government will resolve it and just like Key with the declaration, we might well look back and think, hmm – that didn’t work out so well!
  
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  September 2, 2023 10:15am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I will send that link to Julian Batchelor of Stop Co-Governance.
  He may be aware of it, he may not.
  
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  September 2, 2023 12:15pm
hullkiwi

The beginning of the end for the woke….Paris.

Yes, Paris of all places, has in a city referendum voted to ban E-scooters that are available for hire.

It appears older Parisians, voted (younger Millennials & Gen Zs didn’t vote) to ban the scooters from Paris’s streets, because they are the blight they are.

The irony is huge, as E-scooters are lauded for being part of the active mode solution for transport, that is they are not motor cars. However, those who voted for the ban did so because of dangerous use by those that use them and because of the way they litter the streets when parked up

Will woke NZ follow?

BBC News – Paris says au revoir to rental e-scooters
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66682673
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September 2, 2023 9:30am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  I was in Paris about 15 years ago. I found it to be a smelly, rubbish polluted place and full of dog droppings.
  
  I found the Parisians to be rude as well.
  
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  September 2, 2023 1:15pm
ClanMcleod

Nauseating puff piece in the Whoreald today about Ashley Bloomfield, repeating the nonsensical claim that he helped ‘save thousands of lives during the covid pandemic.’

The border closure and lockdowns MIGHT have delayed some deaths, IF actions had been taken to prepare the medical system for when it eventually got here. Those are very big ‘IFs’ and ‘MIGHTs’.

There is clear evidence now that all of the policies implemented caused far more harm than any short term protection they gave. Hiding under the bed for 18 months simply delayed the inevitable.

Nothing of any practical use was done during this interlude, instead they bet the bank on an experimental technology masquerading as a vaccine.

Anyway, of note to me was the revelation in the article that Bloomfield originated at the WHO. He was there, in Geneva in 2011, long before he came back to NZ to become DG of Health and in charge of the moronic covid responses.

The family of five spent a year in Geneva in 2011 when Bloomfield worked for the World Health Organisation (WHO), so it is familiar territory for them.

Job done in NZ, now St Ash is on his way back to his masters at the WHO. This is the important part, take note of this and revisit in 6 months.
Bloomfield makes this apparently nothing comment in the interview.

In Geneva, he is co-chairing a process that involves all 194 member countries of the WHO.

“It’s a big piece of work around the International Health Regulations and updating those. It’s rewarding, it’s challenging and it’s nice not to be in the thick of it any more, as the saying goes.”

What he is working on is the proposed WHO Pandemic Treaty. Here’s our good friends at the WEF promoting it. Quelle surprise.

Negotiations on new rules for dealing with pandemics are underway at the World Health Organization (WHO), with a target date of May 2024 for a legally binding agreement to be adopted by the U.N. health agency’s 194 member countries.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/05/who-pandemic-treaty-what-how-work/

Another conspiracy theory…../s

Privately funded, unelected bodies are attempting to create a legally binding treaty which would give the WHO power to order response to any future perceived ‘pandemic’. Think, lockdowns, masks, border closures and forced vaccination.

Keep an eye on this. This is happening. This is not a conspiracy and it has the potential to undermine yet more of our sovereignty, if we have any left that is.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/sir-ashley-bloomfields-mission-after-covid-pause-breathe-smile/52HBMFI2XFHWXK55XN25RPXNDQ/

Isn’t that nice Mr Bloomfield a lovely chap????

He’s a globalist shill and doesn’t give a toss about NZ or the people who inhabit this country.
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September 2, 2023 9:31am
- kevn
  
  Clan… NZ were told of the issues late 2020 and still the gonged ones persisted in pushing. It.
  
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  September 2, 2023 9:59am
- Che Guava
  
  “This is not a conspiracy…”
  
  Actually, that is precisely what it is. “Conspiracy” is simply a word that demotes certain group behaviour, usually concealed by some false pretext.
  
  Conspiracies of all kinds are being planned and perpetrated every minute of the day. In this case, they are conspiring to enslave humanity using a completely false pretext justified by “safety” concerns.
  
  Like all of the linguistic catalogue that has been reappropriated and used to manipulate and control people, the word been deliberately transitioned from merely describing a thing to being a loaded term with connotations like “ignore the person to whom this word is applied and dismiss their argument without engagement.”
  
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  September 2, 2023 10:05am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

MTG at the debate, watching Trump and Tucker Carlson.

https://americanpeopledaily.com/theteapartydaily/what-mtg-was-doing-during-the-debate/?utm_placement=theteapartydaily
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September 2, 2023 9:51am
- goNZ1
  
  That MTG lady is quite a disturbed nutter ,dosent appeal to me at all to be honest
  
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  September 2, 2023 2:18pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You are entitled to your opinion. I could see MTG filling the vacant VPOTUS.
    
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    September 2, 2023 3:21pm
Taieri

From the Chronicles of Madness…

Something interesting every day:

Preferring biological children is immoral.

“(…)vision in which parents use technological advances, such as gestational surrogacy, to bring up unrelated children, thereby strengthening bonds across society(…)”

“(…)a preference for genetic relationships reinforces “a dated conception of the family at odds with our hopes for a more inclusive ethics”(…)”

https://www.wired.com/story/ethics-children-parenting-family-biology/
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September 2, 2023 9:51am
- thirteenstars
  
  Sure, then those disparate kids can be raised by social groups funded by the state. Eventually the state will own and raise all children.
  
  An independent middle class, which means independent parents and children, free from the need to kowtow to the state, are the greatest threat to neo-Marxism. Which is why the middle class and parental rights have always been target #1.
  
  Make the parents dependent and capture the education system. Corrupt every nook and cranny. Leave no place as a safe refuge from the madness. All else follows. Not a theory. It’s been the reality for a couple of decades and we’re now seeing the poison fruit ripening all around us.
  
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  September 2, 2023 10:05am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Aldous Huxley nailed this concept in ‘Brave New World’.
    
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    September 2, 2023 11:21am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Bidenomics is working, but most Americans are $400 away from bankruptcy.

https://uniondailypost.com/oops-vp-harris-admits-most-americans-are-400-away-from-bankruptcy/
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September 2, 2023 9:59am
Maggie Pie

Well well well….

looks who’s back on the South Auckland campaign trail 😎

https://twitter.com/ElliotIkilei/status/1697353396125388904
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September 2, 2023 10:02am
- Benedict Yu
  
  She looks like she has lost more weight 😳
  
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  September 2, 2023 10:07am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes, appears moving away from the convenience of Bellamys has been beneficial.
    But still needs to lose about another 3 or 4k’s I’d say.
    Looking good though.
    
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    September 2, 2023 10:23am
    - Biscuit
      
      In Jassy’s defence, I doubt she would ever have partaken much of the fare at Bellamy’s.
      
      I’m sure the Beehive’s 9th Floor has its own catering arrangements.
      
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      September 2, 2023 10:38am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Grief!!!!
      
      She needs a damn good feed of boil-up and dumplings, platefuls of muttonflaps, and buckets of KFC.
      
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      September 2, 2023 10:57am
      - Biscuit
        
        That was my thinking, too, Maggy,
        
        Ms Ardern may have had her faults – hell, she DID have faults – but being even remotely porky was never one of them!
        
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        September 2, 2023 11:09am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Maybe she does need to lose a bit more Mags, but it doesn’t do anything at all for the waist to teeth ratio…….
      
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      September 2, 2023 1:21pm
- Clyde
  
  I was hoping that she had gone permanently to somewhere else. Preferably somewhere like Central Africa where she would be ideal to sort out the various coups. You know, spread kindness everywhere.
  
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  September 2, 2023 10:27am
  - Taieri
    
    Preferably somewhere like Central Africa
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    Culinary preferences there do not favour Long Pigs anymore…
    
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    September 2, 2023 10:38am
  - Paulus
    
    I assume she will be in Harvard for her only sabbatical (term) when her Government gets the biggest arshole ever for her and Labour.
    She is responsible – Chippy and others are just nobodies that she took on with that knowledge.
    She should be ashamed to where she has brought New Zealand, but she as a Marxist will not be.
    
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    September 2, 2023 2:00pm
  - cmm
    
    Are there enough cameras in WAfrica?
    
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    September 2, 2023 4:01pm
- mogg
  
  She is a very welcome sight, surely nobody in Labour sees her as an asset, is that their level of desperation even the rabid leftists are not that stupid
  
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  September 2, 2023 10:59am
  - Matt Long
    
    I wonder why all the groupies and selfies didn’t get in the photo frame?
    
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    September 2, 2023 11:28am
- Nickc2
  
  Talk around the Otahuhu Markets is that Cindy is underwriting financial promises made by Helen Clark in support of Labour’s Election Campaign. //
  
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  September 2, 2023 11:33am
- cmm
  
  The Harvard classes start on 30 August, so has she wagged to be here or was all that talk of lecturing at Harvard just another Cindy porkie?
  
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  September 2, 2023 4:09pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Kill switch for Biden ahead of 2024?

https://thepatriotchronicles.com/news-for-you/conway-reveals-dems-kill-switch-plan-for-biden-ahead-of-2024/
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September 2, 2023 10:04am
Handyman

Another sign Labour know they are toast.

They have passed a law providing greater scrutiny of the incoming government by the incoming opposition.
I’m sure if they accidentally get elected Labour will repeal it under urgency.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/standing-orders-rule-changes-mps-vote-for-parliament-shake-up-government-scrutiny-boost/
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September 2, 2023 10:25am
- Lee C
  
  If they are as good at scrutining an incoming Government as they were at practically every other activity they’ve engaged in, then the incoming Government have little to fear.
  
  Perhaps the incoming Government could pass a law enforcing the Opposition to show they are working on policies that will help the nation, so we don’t get a repetition of ‘Rabbit before headlights’ ‘Working Groups’ when Winston annointed a crew who had had seven years to build policy and offered diddly-squat.
  
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  September 3, 2023 7:57am
bjools

Hipkins on News hub today.
“We have invested in Health and education”

investment
/ɪnˈvɛs(t)m(ə)nt/
noun
noun: investment; plural noun: investments

1.
the action or process of investing money for profit.

2.
archaic
the surrounding of a place by a hostile force in order to besiege or blockade it.

As you see, investment generally means to spend money to gain an IMPROVEMENT.
Considering, we have seen no notable improvement in these areas (in fact a we have seen a degradation). I therefore suggest he is using definition 2.
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September 2, 2023 10:43am
- cmm
  
  It sounds wiser than spending.
  
  And their voter base doesn’t know the difference.
  
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  September 2, 2023 12:11pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
Court case against TV1 continues.
Auckland City Mission is heavily Maorified.

Bruce Moon tears Bill Hamilton a new one.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/maori-leader-attacks-julian-historian-bruce-moon-responds/
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September 2, 2023 10:49am
Jack5

Hager the Horrible is still around …

When our Leftist government is tossed out 42 days from today, he’ll be back with his Woke crap, but will he have such support in the news media?

How Hager’s received will be a test of the State-owned and State-subsidised radio, TV, newspapers and chosen blogs.

The big factor: will National-ACT have the balls to slash government corruption of the media?

The Otago Daily Times today says Nicky Hager will be talking at Otago University next Thursday about how (in Hager’s view) some public servants and military officers tried to nobble New Zealand anti-nuclear policy.
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September 2, 2023 11:12am
- goNZ1
  
  Hager is a Russian and Chinese asset
  
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  September 2, 2023 2:21pm
Suze Wainwright

With all this conversation going around about how James Shaw may have acquired his academic qualifications, maybe L. Ron Hubbard could just as easily be leading the Green Party of Aotearoa/New Zealand.

I’m sure James would find that ‘progressive.’
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September 2, 2023 11:31am
Maggie Pie

See where Rororua MP Todd McClay is calling for a probe into the $15 million given by Labor to Tiny Deane’s ‘Visions-Of-A-Helping-Hand-Trust’ in the last couple of years.

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1697714979376435255

Quite a few people are saying the only reason an investigation is being called for…. is because Tiny is a Maori.
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September 2, 2023 12:01pm
Swifty

Lefties infect and corrupt every organisation they infiltrate:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12471833/Hard-left-activists-turned-nations-favourite-bird-charity-provisional-wing-Labour-Party-GUY-ADAMS-RSPB.html

And New Zealand is no exception.

A deep, fast, comprehensive defunding of our organisations that have become politicised and their replacement with accountable, small and demonstrably independent others would be a task I would undertake with a song in my heart, a spring in my step, a joyous laugh in my throat and a sweet fragrance filling my nostrils.

It would be one of the most beneficial acts this country has ever seen.
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September 2, 2023 12:09pm
Swifty

Aussies:

https://fb.watch/mOdPfcW_m0/?mibextid=v7YzmG
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September 2, 2023 12:11pm
- Bridgenag
  
  Frightening
  
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  September 2, 2023 1:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

As we get closer to Sept 11th, Biden does this to further agitate Americans. He hates America.

https://thepoliticalmovement.com/2023/09/01/biden-to-spare-9-11-terrorists-the-death-penalty/
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September 2, 2023 12:45pm
- Che Guava
  
  Didn’t the 9/11 terrorists all die on 9/11? Derp.
  
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  September 2, 2023 1:05pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not the ones behind it. Sleepers ready to be activated. Took a few years.
    
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    September 2, 2023 3:19pm
    - Che Guava
      
      “Sleepers,” you say? Shit. Could be anywhere, I suppose. We need more draconian laws and mass surveillance to root them all out. Maybe we should go into the Middle East even harder cos obviously they hate our freedoms? In fact, let’s bring them all over here so we don’t even need to go there. Maybe we could do both? We must assume that they surround us on all sides, until we can determine otherwise. Sleep with one eye open, Steve.
      
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      September 2, 2023 3:48pm
Bridgenag

cognitive carpet bombing
how to spot mass manipulation in media

https://boriquagato.substack.com/?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=pub&utm_medium=web
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September 2, 2023 12:53pm
greybeard

“Free dental care for all under-30s”: Hipkins delves into his “Promises we can’t possibly afford” bag of tricks and pulls one out for the election.
Apparently “free” no longer means “without a cost” but rather “something paid-for by the taxpayer”.
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September 2, 2023 2:20pm
- Swifty
  
  Like babies many New Zealanders will think that ‘The Government’ just magics up the money to pay for this – not realising that it is their taxes which must go up to pay for this largesse.
  
  New Zealanders either pay for their dental care directly or they pay through their taxes – it is a great left lie to use the word ‘free’ in any way in describing this.
  
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  September 2, 2023 2:27pm
  - cmm
    
    All the money in NZ is made in the Reserve Bank by the government.
    You should feel happy that they let you have some if it when they could be giving it to other people.
    
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    September 2, 2023 3:53pm
- igm
  
  The sleeze is coming to the fore with this recent announcement. My dentist actually prefers not to touch Winz (taxpayer) funded patients.
  This will only reinforce the attitudes of many, who have good private patients already, and will not want unreliable Labour/Green leeches.
  
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  September 2, 2023 2:54pm
- cmm
  
  FREE.
  Yeah right.
  You vote for us and we can change the law so we can steal more money from other people and give it to you,
  Bloody criminal.
  
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  September 2, 2023 3:51pm
- Flossie
  
  Never mind who’s going to pay for this daft idea (I know – it’s taxpayers) but where is Hipkins going to magic up all the new dentists from??
  
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  September 2, 2023 4:01pm
  - greybeard
    
    “1800 extra dentists” to go with “1800 extra police officers”: unfortunately they also have “18,000 new criminals”.
    
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    September 2, 2023 6:42pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Free dental…..for everyone? Even white and Asian people? What is the logic that supports labours free gynaecological smears only for MPI, but free dental 4 everyone?
  
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  September 2, 2023 4:37pm
  - artemisia
    
    Perfectly logical if the measurement is taxpayer money spent.
    
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    September 2, 2023 6:59pm
- emmess
  
  Can Hipkins please explain, why 18–29 year old young adult teeth are any worse than 30+ year olds?
  What a stupid completely arbitrary policy.
  
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  September 2, 2023 6:15pm
Swifty

Remorseless, relentless expansion of the functions of the state will ultimately be the end of us:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-labour-leader-chris-hipkins-to-launch-election-campaign-announce-new-policy-in-a-bid-to-turn-his-polls/XSBI5B6IKFGRNDE2MKUQH4INQ4/

Oh, it’s all warm and cuddly now but leap forward 30-50 years where we have the state controlling, coordinating, planning, overseeing, directing every aspect of human life.

It won’t end well.

But, I fear, that is our future because we don’t have the foresight, guts and integrity to put a stop to it now. No, we’d all rather bask in the warm glow of the great state Mother – taking care of our every need.

We are lost.
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September 2, 2023 2:23pm
kevn

grey…. I can see a 6 months wait to see a dentist on the horizon if this happens.
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September 2, 2023 2:27pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Doesn’t look like you’ll have to rush kevn – not for the next 2- 3 years anyway 🙂
  “The policy, which is being estimated at $390 million over four years, would see 18 to 23-year-olds receive free annual check-ups, cleans, X-rays, basic fillings and extractions for free from July 2025. This would then expand to anyone under 30 a year later. ”
  – newshub
  
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  September 2, 2023 3:00pm
  - kevn
    
    70… Indeed, labour gone for a generation so I will miss out.
    
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    September 2, 2023 3:05pm
kevn

Herald headline says it all…
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/otago-dentistry-school-dentist-dad-believes-his-kids-discriminated-against-for-being-privileged/NDPDGDKJORFS7BZKQTVEIQNUUY/
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September 2, 2023 2:52pm
Maggie Pie

Bit of a larf on a fab Satdy aftnoon 😎

A bestie from tennis retweets…. “Gurls jus wanna hav fun”

https://twitter.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1697284593299444137
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September 2, 2023 2:54pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The one in white isn’t taking no shit!
  
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  September 2, 2023 3:24pm
  - Che Guava
    
    None of them are – they’re too busy acting ghetto to be focused on their bowel movements.
    
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    September 2, 2023 3:59pm
Swifty

I had a dream last night involving a post-election ACT, Labour (the robot), the Pacific Ministry (Will) and the Women’s Ministry (Dr Smith) and this is roughly how my dream went…..

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HyGxJLCG6qw&pp=ygUSY3J1c2gga2lsbCBkZXN0cm95

Bliss.
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September 2, 2023 2:59pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The robot that does nothing!! LOL.
  
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  September 2, 2023 3:36pm
  - Swifty
    
    Ha!
    
    Good point.
    
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    September 2, 2023 3:57pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Attack, attack! More publicity – Dems are so dumb.
Donald Trump just can’t stop saying the wrong things.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/donald-trump-just-can-t-stop-saying-the-wrong-things/ss-AA1g5Ep9
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September 2, 2023 3:25pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Well if you don’t blow your own trumpet, nobody is going to blow it for you.
Two days after his mugshot was taken. Determination I think.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sports/other/donald-trump-assures-no-foul-play-after-beating-phil-mickelson-s-score/ss-AA1g54CN
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September 2, 2023 3:31pm
Maggie Pie

‘A top economist’ you say 😀

Well how come he’s still renting?

https://twitter.com/NewshubPolitics/status/1697757737151856697

Like my partner said….. “Economists are people who are too smart for their own good but not smart enough for anyone elses”
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September 2, 2023 4:07pm
- kevn
  
  Maggie… Must live in someone elses investment property.
  He will have his own lolly sorted.
  
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  September 2, 2023 4:28pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Althought I rember when Simon Bridges said….
    
    “One Chinaman is worth two Indians”
    
    LOL!!
    
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    September 2, 2023 4:43pm
    - Jack5
      
      The statement about Chinese v. Indians was made in a secretly recorded conversation between Bridges and former MP Jami-Lee Ross.
      
      They were talking about who would be potentiallly the most lucrative party donors.
      
      Now, which of the two would would be more likely to release a touchy private conversation?
      
      Here is a crucial bit as reported in the Herald of 19 October 2018:
      
      The two discussed a $100,000 donation to the National Party and also potential candidates and a dinner Bridges shared with businessman Zhang Yikun.
      
      “Two Chinese would be nice but then you know, would it be one Chinese and one Filipino? Or, you know, what do we do?” Bridges was heard saying.
      
      Ross replied: “Two Chinese would be more valuable than two Indians I have to say.”
      
      Then Bridges said: “Yeah, which is what we’ve got at the moment, right?”
      
      So it was Ross who made the comparison, though Bridges seemed to have agreed.
      
      Neither used the derogatory term “Chinaman”.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/indian-association-demands-apology-from-simon-bridges-for-indian-vs-chinese-comments/PRT4W56GEQYXA6MDAZLPAFLGFY/
      
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      September 2, 2023 8:57pm
    - Manu-Rau
      
      Incidentally, Equab isn’t Indian. He was born in Bangladesh.
      
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      September 2, 2023 9:18pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  He changed his mind a few years back when reality hit…
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/94966044/shamubeel-eaqub-ive-bought-a-house-at-last
  
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  September 2, 2023 8:05pm
Inthe09

NZ Herald frontpage:

“Labour – more free stuff”

Next to:

“Dead washed up whale”

Haha
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September 2, 2023 4:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The Oath Keepers’ leader Stewart Rhodes sentenced to 18 years.
Tell me where Trump and the Trump rally fits in here.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/proud-boys-leader-cries-as-he-is-sentenced-to-17-years-for-capitol-riot/ss-AA1g60jy
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September 2, 2023 5:09pm
- emmess
  
  Disgusting
  Murderers get far less
  
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  September 2, 2023 6:20pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

OK, let’s buy some votes!
Further reason the original Treaty read and written in Maori should take precedence over the rogue 1975 Waitangi Tribunal re-written Treaty.
See what Julian Batchelor and http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi are on about???

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/government-settles-historic-taranaki-maunga-claim-with-iwi/ar-AA1g4ZX5

And we pay, the gravy train never stops.
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September 2, 2023 5:25pm
rouppe

Interesting on the 6pm news…

Protesters in the Labour Party election launch dragged out by security, and arrested by Police outside.

Glaring difference to how protesters are treated at Stop Co Governance meetings…
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September 2, 2023 6:04pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  And Mr Plod will tell you that he is politically neutral.
  Mr Plod, if I want to listen to shit, I’ll fart.
  
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  September 2, 2023 10:29pm
emmess

Unbelievable
Legacy media actually allowed comments on a political interview
https://youtu.be/E9Y0TjXloTs?si=p5Q8ENS34bo_UcKy
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September 2, 2023 6:54pm
greybeard

No GST on fruit and vegetables !
Free dental care for those under 30 !
What is next ? How about “free” tickets to all home Warriors’ games for the next 3 years !
$50 KFC voucher per week for all families with more than 5 kids !
The possibilities are endless !
Vote Labour !
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September 2, 2023 7:02pm
kevn

Anyone else see potential problems here? Flat roof, no eaves, can’t open windows unless no rain. Will be poorly maintained by the occupants = leaky. Guarantee it in Aucklands summer tropical weather.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ugly-auckland-state-housing-pr-bosses-lashes-out-at-design-of-new-development/LTWHA55SV5BI7N2YMGLUCILWCA/
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September 2, 2023 7:10pm
- Ghost
  
  Damn they are ugly. Feel sorry for the neighbours.
  
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  September 2, 2023 7:20pm
Ghost

When police knocked on Julia Kravtsova’s door, she thought it was her ex-husband bringing their kids home from gymnastics.

Instead, she was told Ilaria, 8, and Ivan, 11, along with their dad Pavel Kravtsov were alive but injured after their car and a truck carrying oysters collided on Woodcocks Rd in Kaipara Flats just before 6.30pm on Wednesday.

“Grab a blanket and come with us”, the police officer said.

She rushed to the scene still in her work uniform, without her phone, purse, or medications, expecting to “reunite with her children shortly”, said Kravtsova’s friend and employer at Angels Grooming Parlour, Angela Anderson.

Article

Give A Little page for Julia and her family
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September 2, 2023 8:14pm
kglm

I am wondering if the staffing of the election has become a problem. Last election the recruitment of the thousands of temporary workers needed was done directly by the Electoral Commission and was done on a face-to-face basis. This election the recruitment has been outsourced to a private agency and has become an on-line process. The on-line process is hard to navigate and complete. This may have put off many of those who typically do this work, when they found how difficult the recruitment process has now become. Persuading people to apply is still occurring only a month out from voting starting. Is it going to be a repeat of what happened when the Census went from being face-to-face to on-line?
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