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Warren

I’m feeling excited about National and Nicole Willis delivery of there tax policy today and how Prime Minister Chris Hipkins and Finance Minister Grant Robertson will try to discredit it.
You can’t forget how Nicole and National have embarrassed Labours brain trust already this year by announcing bad policy that Labour gambled on to win this election.
I think Nicole Willis has been a breath of fresh air for National this year especially with the continued criticism and hate on Luxon from the Media and Labour Politicains, so for one are hoping they have this tax policy right and can shove it in the fiscal hole that Grant Robertson wants people to find.
If National and Nicole have this policy
right Bob Jones talk of a land slide to National and Act might start rumbling and become a reality tonight.
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August 30, 2023 8:03am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Heard Luxon on the radio with Hodking, he suggested it could be a $100 a week for mid nz, I presume they weee discussing the tax cut, he ruled out Labours digital tax saying that is not part of it, he also said it would start next year, after Robertsons budget time frame finishes on June 30 Newshub and Labour thi k they have snookered Nats by their digital tax that was promised 5 years ago and obviously has not been started even though I think everyone thought it has.
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:25am
  - rockape
    
    I must admit to an interest in the tax details. It reminds me of the excitement budgets used to hold before announcements. I bet most Labour MPs will be sitting around the radio in expectation as well.
    
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    August 30, 2023 9:44am
    - Kiwiguy
      
      Yes, I was just thinking that there seems to be more interest, expectation, hype, and excitement around what National are releasing today, compared to any announcement from Labour.
      Suddenly Labour look very tired and empty, while National look strong and very much ready to govern.
      
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      August 30, 2023 10:41am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Hahahahaha, I note [Mod – use correct names] sneering has gone to ground
      
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      August 30, 2023 12:18pm
- RoboRob
  
  Agree. I am, however, a little disappointed that National plan new taxes to pay for their tax cuts. Seems counter intuitive to me, isn’t the idea to reduce tax burden and for the govt to do more with less? I guess I will wait and see what they are 🙂
  
  My money is on one of them being a ‘tourist tax’, probably some sort of arrival / departure tax.
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:50am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    A worker will not be paying any new tax, they have stated this clearly, let’s wait and see what it is, they also said it won’t be inflationary, just maybe they have found something, they looked pretty pleased with them selves on tv last night
    
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    August 30, 2023 9:08am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Labour have already put on an arrival departure tax haven’t they? They said it’s something that people will say I thought that was already taxed
    
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    August 30, 2023 9:09am
- sirknz
  
  Perhaps even Nicola Willis might be there too…
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:58am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    And mighty fine she is looking too
    
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    August 30, 2023 9:10am
- James Stephenson
  
  I hope they’re not so stupid as to introduce a whole new tax that can then be increased next time Labour get into power.
  
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  August 30, 2023 9:17am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Nicola
  
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  August 30, 2023 9:30am
- rouppe
  
  My pick (no inside knowledge)
  1. 17.5% threshold moved
  2. 33% threshold moved less
  3. A WFF initiative
  4. RUC on EV’s (even though it’s scheduled anyway)
  
  We know bright line will go from 10 to either 5 or 2 years.
  We know interest deductibility will be reinstated.
  
  Must be some others but I reckon that’ll be in the mix.
  
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  August 30, 2023 9:41am
- Grunter
  
  As expected – Nats Tax plan all a bit Ho-Hum…
  
  Obviously better than Labour (low bar), but…
  
  1. Only $1 Billion a yr decrease in Govt spending, so the same as Robertson. Which means a $55 billion increase in spending compared to Bill English.
  2. Only a marginal change to tax brackets. So compared to 2010 when they were last adjusted, the Nats plan to keep ripping us off.
  3. Returning some ($600 million) ETS revenue back to taxpayers as a dividend. So tax fuel companies, who pass that tax cost onto tax payers, then give the tax collected back to taxpayers….. is that what “they” mean by circular economy? Just bonkers! How much slippage and cost to all this nuttiness??
  
  The sad thing is, the Nats sounds so much better than Labour – but it’s actually still bonkers socialism.
  
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  August 30, 2023 10:56am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Hang on, that one million in one billion a year for cuts in government is only the part that helps fund this tax adjustment, there will be more to come to fund other things
    
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    August 30, 2023 12:20pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Anything that includes a top rate of 39%, is a Labour tax policy not a National one.
  
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  August 30, 2023 10:56am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Yes Nigel. That is why me and my mates are shifting to ACT. We have been traditional National voters and we can now see Luxon wants to keep 39% tax rate and no different to Labour.
    
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    August 30, 2023 11:40am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  I am watching our next PM (nice Nicola) deliver a tax plan that will deliver relief to sheeple who are still waiting for the keys to their kiwibuild homes.
  
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  August 30, 2023 11:00am
Frank the tank

According to One News (saw it in passing folks) it is now anti-Semitic to question and/or oppose globalisation.

I give up…….
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August 30, 2023 8:04am
- Prince
  
  Waiting for someone to demand an apology.
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:28am
- kowtow
  
  That was a most appalling smear on an MP ( Act of course) .
  Will Kate Hannah , $1uffed etc do anything about the mis and disinformation coming from the regime mouthpiece, TVNZ ?
  
  By the same token the Maori party’s been reported as wanting services for their own people first , based on race characteristics ,that sounds like a Nazi trope .
  
  Where’s the outrage . Nope instead they plaster them across their propaganda outlets doing “fashion” . Surely they deserve to be cancelled ,given their far right extremism .
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:35am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Kowtow in the perverse mind of the Post Modernist Neo Marxist people of colour and indigenous people ( as long as they are not white) can not be racist because racism is the preserve of the powerful pushing down where as the aforementioned types are not powerful. Now of course you may find the presumption in and of itself racist but your not part of the enlightened people so in the name of equality you don’t count anyway./
    
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    August 30, 2023 9:25am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Maori preference for health services is a breach of the Hyppocractic Oath if any Health Professional applies it. Government services preference for Maori is a breach of Article 7 of the UN Declaration of Human Rights which NZ is a signatory.
    I have already posted how my cancer specialist told one of Health Department oiks to FOX TROT OSCAR when he was told he had to preference Maori. I understand most of his colleagues have told the Departmentr the same.
    
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    August 30, 2023 9:46am
    - Bloody Dago
      
      Māori ethnical preference smells of 1933 in a certain European country. Why isn’t MSM calling this out for what it is?
      
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      August 30, 2023 10:46am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        They actually convince themselves they are addressing “institutional racism”. That kind of irrational religious programming also fits with the social and professional echo chambers they desperate to remain part of.
        
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        August 30, 2023 7:40pm
    - mawm
      
      I suppose that if your employer (government) makes you apply a racial bias in your daily work it cannot be you breaching your Oath. You can protest, and treat everybody the same irrespective of race or religion but it is not your choice who gets priority. This is like apartheid South Africa’s Supreme Court judges where SA mandated certain penalties for various crimes, like the death penalty for black on white rape, they would add their protest when reading out the proscribed sentence. Every bit counts.
      
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      August 30, 2023 5:30pm
  - Yvette
    
    And not a race relations commissioner in sight
    
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    August 30, 2023 9:48am
- sirknz
  
  Does this mean that One News is admitting that the Red Sea pedestrians are in fact the driving force behind globalisation?
  
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  August 30, 2023 9:01am
  - crikey
    
    Do we even have a race relations commissioner since what’s his name resigned?
    
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    August 30, 2023 11:39am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  What exactly was said, or when? Looking to understand the context, preferably with sight of the actual clip
  
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  August 30, 2023 9:38am
  - kowtow
    
    Try this
    
    https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/08/29/seymour-says-act-mp-no-longer-believes-climate-change-a-hoax/
    
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    August 30, 2023 3:00pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Frank the tank – get used to it. Any time you say anything negative about the concerning, divisive globalisation policies, you will be labelled one, all, or a combination of any of the following.
  
  anti -semetic
  racist
  far right
  misogynist
  transphobic
  
  Same playbook used against those who opposed jabs and mandates.
  
  It was predicted.
  
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  August 30, 2023 9:45am
- redeye
  
  One news: If there was a weekly prize for imparting the least information with the most amount of words their politcal commentator Jessica Mutch-Mckay would be 52 nil for the past year.
  This is the person they have announced will moderate the first leaders debate on the 19th Sept.
  God help us.
  
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  August 30, 2023 9:46am
  - kowtow
    
    Last night the Bradford woman said the NZ $ had dropped below .60 on some bad economic news .
    
    Duh , been below .60 since about 10/12 August .
    
    They really are shit and actually are making stuff up.
    
    Not fit for purpose , unless as the Aotearoa Beobachter .
    
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    August 30, 2023 10:02am
  - Frank the tank
    
    And it will be Patrick Gower for the other mob. Should be Ryan Bridge but it won’t……..
    
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    August 30, 2023 11:38am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Jessica Mutch ado about nothing.
    
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    August 30, 2023 7:55pm
- WaynelSexton
  
  I heard in the grape vine that the Act party were rebranding as the Cuck party after that display.
  “Please media we’ll agree with everything you say, just please don’t call us names like antisemitic or antiscience”
  
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  August 30, 2023 9:52am
  - Frank the tank
    
    In fairness National would be the truck; Act the trailer
    
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    August 30, 2023 11:39am
Vinicius

More wasteful government spending exposed, this time it’s our old friend face masks. Goodness knows how much more of this the incoming government will uncover.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300960122/the-wasted-taxpayer-money-being-spent-storing-obsolete-face-masks-for-schools
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August 30, 2023 8:05am
- pdm
  
  How come face masks have an expiry date?
  
  Surely if stored correctly the would last for ever or at least 20 or 30 years until needed again.
  
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  August 30, 2023 9:08am
  - All_on_Red
    
    They were never really needed in the first place…
    
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    August 30, 2023 9:18am
  - alphabeatrium
    
    Right? We’re constantly berated about how something will take “thousands of years to break down”, but a surgical mask doesn’t last more than five when kept in storage? Are they keeping them in a mouldy basement?
    
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    August 30, 2023 12:20pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Re covid. Face masks were obsolete before they were manufactured.
  
  Don’t wear them ever again. For inspiration listen to this tune from singer Blind Joe.
  
  ‘I Will Not Comply’
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_sEYlTwi54
  
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  August 30, 2023 9:51am
- Loddenthinks
  
  How much for the millions of RAT tests, bought when we didn’t need them, cost mega bucks to store, gave as many away as possible (we have about 50), and now going out of date.
  
  I mean, wasting a billion here, a billion there – sooner or later you’re talking serious money…
  
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  August 30, 2023 2:14pm
Grunter

A great example of the new “Girl Maths” trend in action…..
Robertson increases Govt spending by $56 billion pa. He then announces he has saved $4 billion over 4 years.

Real Maths – he has increased Govt spending by $55 billion pa.

Robertson needs to go back to Kings High School and re-do his 3rd Form Maths class.
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August 30, 2023 8:06am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes but some of that was still from covid that was always going back to the pot.
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:27am
  - tedbear
    
    I wish people stopped saying covid spent money, covid did this, covid did that.
    Covid didn’t force any lockdown, make people wear masks or stop people catching planes.
    The money splashed around was all part of the world’s govts’ scam.
    
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    August 30, 2023 1:34pm
    - mawm
      
      Funny you should bring this up – it’s almost like there was a plan for Western liberal democracies to destroy their economies.
      
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      August 30, 2023 5:35pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Authoritarian Labour has no respect for the voters.
  They think we will all believe anything.
  Ditto W. Peters.
  Trouble is, they think this way because so many of us fell into line (with few questions asked – didn’t dare to) over the covid fiasco.
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:30am
In Vino Veritas

For those of you who still think Labour have any show in the election, Sir Bob Jones will put his money where his mouth is, you just have to pony up with Mike Williams:
https://nopunchespulled.com/2023/08/29/free-money-offer/#more-5436
And he finishes with this: “They will be recorded as the worst Government in our country’s history”.
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August 30, 2023 8:08am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes I had already read this, Mike dirt digger Williams is calling it close, the left snd rotten media are doing this because they are scared of the left not turning up on election day, people wanting change will
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:29am
  - Opie
    
    Even the comments on social media have changed in the kast 6 months.
    
    All the lefties getting absolutely slammed.
    
    It could be that the productive have had enough and are taking a stand, or it could be that Elon is has removed the algorithm that hides anti left sentiment.
    
    Either way, it gives a much clearer picture
    
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    August 30, 2023 9:09am
  - crikey
    
    G: It is going to be close – Labour close to 19%. Bring it on.
    
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    August 30, 2023 10:11am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I am starting to think it won’t be close for the first time ever, the 5 electorate polls I have seen now has Labour mainly in the teens, one has them at 20%. Those polls I have seen has Northland, Napier, Tukituki, Ilam and I hav been made aware today they Waiwarapa will also see the little gnome thrown out. All 5 electorates are Labour, and all will go to Nats by far
      
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      August 30, 2023 12:26pm
- artemisia
  
  “They will be recorded as the worst Government in our country’s history”.
  
  Lest we forget, Dame Jacinda was supposedly in charge for almost all of it. How much she was actually in charge is quite another matter.
  
  But the buck does stop with her.
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:47am
  - pdm
    
    Arty – she was in charge of telling the rest of Caucus what the (so called) Maori Caucus wanted the party to do.
    
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    August 30, 2023 9:11am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    I noticed while driving from Greytown to Featherston yesterday that every bill board of Act and National had been seriously vandalised. The tolerant left at work. On the other hand there was no damage to Labour ones this being largely because there aren’t any lol. Do these morons honestly believe that cutting the faces and messages out of posters will sway people to their cause when it’s such an overt attempt at censorship. A moustache or such juvenile scribbling is one thing but the violence with which these have been destroyed speaks volumes about the minds that are responsible. Bring on the election
    
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    August 30, 2023 9:37am
    - Colville
      
      We came back from Auckland on Sunday…around where the Daughter lives every Labour billboard had Hipkins face looking like it had been punched in…
      
      Someone sending a clear message there!
      
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      August 30, 2023 10:17am
      - Ghost
        
        All our billboards are untouched. James meager has had billboards up for a few months now and they were never damaged either. I do notice nz first has more billboards up here than Luxton. Greens only have two up, both on farms, one right beside a national sign.
        
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        August 30, 2023 10:25am
  - crikey
    
    Artemisia: If I was a buck I wouldn’t stop with her.
    
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    August 30, 2023 10:12am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Worst government in NZ history. You heard it on Kiwiblog first, over a year ago.
  
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  August 30, 2023 9:55am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Gang members and guns. When will the go gooders realise that gang members don’t give a shit about a licence, or buying guns. They just steal them. Gun register? Great, now the gangs know where the guns are.
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August 30, 2023 8:08am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Indeed. It takes an incredible degree of naivety to actually believe that gang members will comply with gun licensing laws.
  
  Instead of pandering to gangs as Labour has done, some Mark Mitchell “tough love” is required. And I love that he has said that if crime doesn’t reduce within twelve months of him being Police Minister, he will resign. That’s accountability in action!
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:17am
  - Prince
    
    He’ll need to find a Commissioner to work with.
    
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    August 30, 2023 8:30am
  - David Garrett
    
    Tony S: I admire Mr Mitchell for saying that, but he is taking a big risk of having egg all over his face – and here’s why.
    
    Cuddles is the present Police Commissioner, and neither Mitchell nor any other poli can sack him simply for not achieving targets – such as to reduce crime by X amount in Y time.
    
    Secondly, Cuddles and those who report to him will genuinely believe that what is required is more pandering to crims (aka “wrap around support”) not less. To expect him to change his mindset is like expecting me to suddenly realise I am wrong, and join the Green Party.
    
    Thirdly, Cuddles and his politburo will between them have fuck all – if any – front line policing experience, so their belief that “there is some good in everyone” – rather like that stupid judge who thought there were “kernels of hope” in a vile POS who severely beat an old man – will be impossible to shift.
    
    As I have said a number of times here, my most potent memory of my short political career is a visit to a youth justice facility in Canterbury – conveniently right next door to the Big House. Talking to some inmates – and more importantly to the staff – it was quite clear that by age 14 or 15 it is waaay too late to correct “values” learned in a gang house.
    
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    August 30, 2023 8:43am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Point taken David, but the Commissioner has to have the confidence of the Minister of Police, and right at the moment, I would suggest that Mr Coster will be waiting for the phone to ring on the morning of Monday 16th October.
      
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      August 30, 2023 8:50am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        He will know on the 14th C/- TV1.
        
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        August 30, 2023 9:10am
      - Biscuit
        
        David and Tony, why can’t (or shouldn’t) an incoming Government be able to say to (provably useless) incumbents – like Cuddles at Police, Orr at the Reserve Bank and, oh, Trevor as Ambassador to Ireland – that they have to the end of the week to get out?
        
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        August 30, 2023 9:48am
      - David Garrett
        
        Biscuit: In short, the Commissioner will have an ironclad contract which provides for a huge golden handshake if his contract is terminated early.
        
        It’s some time ago now, but IIRC Commissioner Doone resigned after Clark declared she didn’t have confidence in him (this was after he allegedly avoided a sobriety test when he was stopped at a drink drive checkpoint)
        
        Someone with better memory than me will be able to elaborate on the circumstances.
        
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        August 30, 2023 10:24am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        New Zealand does not have a politically appointed civil service in the same way as the US. Therefore senior officials retain their positions on a change of government. It is very difficult for an incoming minister to say I can work with X. He/she has to go.
        
        It occasionally does happen that there is a fundamental breakdown in the relationship with leads to the CE going, but that is very rare. Perhaps Christine Rankin and Steve Maharey was the last real instance of that.
        
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        August 30, 2023 10:50am
      - cmm
        
        DG: I’d rather have the sod out – golden handshake or not.
        It’s costing us much, much more to keep him in.
        
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        August 30, 2023 11:27am
      - hullkiwi
        
        @Wayne Mapp, you are correct about the CEs of government departments being appointed so as to be independent of the views of the minister etc.
        
        But that principle is not always the case as history has served up. And as it happened there is the example of Police Commissioner Peter Donne, and the believed involvement of the then Prime Minister.
        
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        August 30, 2023 1:42pm
    - artemisia
      
      Yes at 14 or 15 yrs old behaviour good or not so good is generally set in place. I always liked National’s school based social investment approach, where school staff on the ground applied a small number of factors and identified those at risk for targeted intensive support.
      
      Funded by scrapping the decile system of spraying money to pay for something or other. That ‘something or other’ doesn’t seem to be working well.
      
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      August 30, 2023 9:02am
      - Stellaboxer
        
        Whilst I working in corrections in the 2000s I read a study out of the States that basically says that there is no real chance of rehabilitation for the present crop of criminals and they should therefore be wharehoused to keep the public safe whilst at the same time concentrating resources on the under 4s before they are sucked into the world of crime via social and economic policies for the communities they largely come from. The problem was the authors admitted that it would be hugely expensive, politically a very hard sell and the results wouldn’t be felt for years down the track so more than likely benefiting a completely different bevy of politicians so would never be attempted.
        
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        August 30, 2023 9:50am
      - Oneex
        
        Stella, “it would be hugely expensive, politically a very hard sell and the results wouldn’t be felt for years down the track”
        A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they shall never sit in.
        
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        August 30, 2023 1:01pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      His 5 year term will be up soon enough
      
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      August 30, 2023 9:13am
      - David Garrett
        
        G: Rather like the government itself, every day Cuddles remains in the job, the crime wave gets worse.
        
        Does anyone know exactly when his contract is up?
        
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        August 30, 2023 11:23am
      - Ghost
        
        2025
        
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        August 30, 2023 11:34am
      - cmm
        
        DG: Why wait for the end of the contract?
        Even putting him on permanent paid leave and replacing him is a better deal than letting him serve out his contract.
        
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        August 30, 2023 11:28am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        David Garr, maybe, but there is nothing that can be down about that, but I am sure his term will finish early next year
        
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        August 30, 2023 12:30pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Put Cuddles back in the beat
        
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        August 30, 2023 7:46pm
    - RoboRob
      
      I am sure that there are ways to remove government appointees. The police commisioners relationship with the crown is similar to that of a business director. The directors job is to implement the owners strategic direction. If they refuse to, they can be removed. If they morally cannot do so, they resign.
      
      We might all be surprised and discover that with new management Coster rapidly shifts his management to match the new owners strategic plan 🙂
      
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      August 30, 2023 9:50am
      - Matt Long
        
        Yes, their was a long serving local council CEO who switched between responsibie to profligate depending on the flavour of Mayor in place.
        It’s entirely possible Coster could knuckle down with a decent Police Minister.
        
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        August 30, 2023 10:51am
    - David Garrett
      
      I vividly recall asking the staff – who impressed the hell out of me with their obvious dedication and compassion – if they could predict who among their charges were destined for the Big House.
      
      They laughed and said, while pointing out individuals: “He’s going; she’s going, not sure about him, he’s going he’s going…”etc.
      
      I obviously asked how accurate their predictions proved to be over time. The answer: “95% as predicted”. The awful thing was about 90% of those whose future they predicted were destined, they thought, for the Big House.
      
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      August 30, 2023 10:32am
      - cmm
        
        I suspect that you don’t end up in a youth justice facility for overdue library books either. You probably need a good string of offending to get there.
        In that case the filtering has already been done and you could expect they were already, effectively, career criminals.
        
        Did the people you spoke with give any ideas on how this could be turned around?
        
        Far too many problems are addressed (not solved) top down by wussy, out of touch, management pushing some feel-good idea. Those at the coal face often have far more practical ideas that are more likely to solve the problems.
        
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        August 30, 2023 11:32am
    - gravedodger
      
      Fair comment David but altering sentencing “laws” and “Bail Laws” by order in council if necessary after declaring a state of emergency over crime rates should bring some degree of reduction of criminal activity surely.
      Plus reinstating Three strikes under urgency should have some effect on some crims with functioning brain cells
      It is after all almost a pandemic tsunami, tell me I’m wrong.
      
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      August 30, 2023 10:57am
  - rouppe
    
    To be fair, I’m advised the register is intended to provide chain of custody information for the few people who buy guns legitimately, and then on-sell them to crims illegitimately.
    
    That is, if a number of guns turn up at crime scenes that can be traced back to Joe Average, then Joe Average gets pinged.
    
    Personally I reckon most illegal guns are coming in on the beach, but there you go.
    
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    August 30, 2023 10:00am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Serial numbers can, and are, removed from firearms in the hands of criminals.
      
      I can’t see it achieving anything much, especially if the firearms are obtained by theft (or claimed to be stolen).
      There will be a lot of firearms in NZ that will never be registered, and they will be doing the bulk to the trouble.
      Firearms owners have to keep their noses clean more than an average member of society. Gangs not so much.
      On that note – never heard how the killer in the Auckland CBD got his pump action shotgun, despite at the time either Cuddles or Ginny saying that they were “curious” to know where the firearm came from, as the killer was not licenced……silence/crickets.
      That is because when this sort of thing happens in future, it is not likely the firearm would even prove to be registered or traceable.
      What is needed is a crack down on firearm crime and criminals, and not making life harder for lawful and deemed ‘fit and proper’ people.
      
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      August 30, 2023 10:50am
    - Local Miller
      
      Even if guns are being bought and on sold, the original registered owner will simply arrange for them to be “stolen” and report the theft. Admittedly they’ll only be able to do this once, but with enough stooges the gangs will have a regular supply of firearms. I would have thought that all firearms sold legally in NZ would already have their number recorded somewhere, at least by the dealer.
      I tend to agree however that the number of guns being on sold is tiny, and the register is an expensive way to solve this problem. It also opens the door to gun confiscation, even more than the current licensing system does.
      It’s more likely that most illegal firearms in NZ are being smuggled.
      
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      August 30, 2023 10:59am
      - cmm
        
        “Even if guns are being bought and on sold, the original registered owner will simply arrange for them to be “stolen” and report the theft.”
        
        I don’t think that is as easy as you think. You’d have to make a pretty convincing theft scene (smashed up gun safe etc). And it you were found out you’d be in for the high jump.
        
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        August 30, 2023 11:36am
- kowtow
  
  In a recent NZME article Plod has all but admitted the register could create a “guns for hire” situation.
  
  Crooked license holder ( bear in mind who grants the license) will simply rent a gun to a criminal on a job by job basis , keeping it in safe custody between jobs.
  
  The police are creating a new problem for themselves and the public .
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:42am
  - Colville
    
    That is about the stupidist idea I have heard for a long time.
    
    So I own a pump shotgun with serial number 1234 and its on the register with my name against that serial number.
    
    I “rent” it to crim who robs a bank and gets caught with said shotty.
    
    How do I explain that when Plod turns up at my door unannounced and my gun safe is locked and there is a gap where shotty should be??
    
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    August 30, 2023 10:30am
    - kowtow
      
      That’s what Plod said .
      
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      August 30, 2023 11:48am
- cmm
  
  “Gun register? Great, now the gangs know where the guns are.”
  It really provides little more info than having a list of gun owners.
  The only difference is that if you’re shopping for a particular firearm it would be easier to use a register.
  
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  August 30, 2023 10:23am
  - alphabeatrium
    
    It can be quite a bit more information though. If you’re shopping for a large cache of weapons, the register would tell you exactly which high-value places to scope out. I have zero faith that the register will not be leaked to a criminal organisation in the medium term. I can’t imagine a more lucrative target for cybercriminals to hack, and then onsell.
    
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    August 30, 2023 12:25pm
Matt Long

TU Curia poll in Ilam looking good for National,
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-national-way-ahead-in-ilam-denting-tops-chances-of-entering-parliament/E5XB2HN7NRDVVEB3J5LBO5NMYY/
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August 30, 2023 8:11am
- emmess
  
  Have a listen to what Manji has to say
  https://youtu.be/V966hn_wfhc?si=bffBfnDZH7qfaHez
  Or not as he would prefer
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:21am
  - RoboRob
    
    Wow. Having considered voting for Raf at one stage, I am glad he is off my list. What a total plonker.
    
    Plunket nailed it, this guy clearly isn’t after the the right wing vote. Unfortunately many of my fellow Ilam voters wont know this.
    
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    August 30, 2023 9:57am
    - Paulus
      
      Raf is in the wrong party – no not Labour as he is actually quite intelligent.
      
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      August 30, 2023 1:38pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I stopped reading when he said the Nat candidate is very weak, what bullshit, people on the ground are saying how good he is, and why did he not mention how utterly useless Pallett is? The same Pallett who could not answer if a man can get pregnant, and he previous job was delivering babies ffs
    
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    August 30, 2023 12:36pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  😃👍🏻
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:29am
- Prince
  
  I understand Wairarapa polling has McAnulty out, and hoping for a list seat (he is 16th)
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I hope he is finished for good. He says he is a socialist, but he is a communist in disguise.
    
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    August 30, 2023 9:24am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    So that is 5 electorates with definitive polls showing Labour out Nats in Northland, Napier and Tukituki, and Ilam plus Wairarapa
    
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    August 30, 2023 9:25am
  - Biscuit
    
    That would be my big hope, Prince – after, of course, seeing Chippie’s face early on Election Night when it dawns on him that very few people away from his own circle thought he was worthy of their votes.
    
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    August 30, 2023 9:51am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    I would love to see McAnulty gone come October. IMO he is a younger, nastier version of Andrew Little. If he’s out, then Labour’s next leader probably isn’t in Parliament yet.
    
    [Mod – corrected McAnulty‘s name]
    
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    August 30, 2023 12:14pm
  - jon
    
    Prince, re this polling in Wairarapa, do you know where the details of the results can be found? Couple of weeks ago i was push button phone polled but didnt catch the name of the group doing the polling. Havent seen anything in Wairarapa papers. Good news if it shows McAnulty out!
    
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    August 30, 2023 8:53pm
- thetiedarch
  
  But of course the media party have to make it all about the guy coming third – even plastering his face over the article. He’s not even winning in his own polls!
  
  But as someone who lives in Ilam, I’m not surprised at the result. 2020 was a rogue result/Brownlee burnout, and if number of election hoardings around the electorate is an indication of the final vote, Pallett might struggle to even get second.
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:50am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The media thought he would win and save labour
    
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    August 30, 2023 9:23am
- Colville
  
  Manji would suck in the Lefty votes so is it a fair indication of a true swing??
  
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  August 30, 2023 10:31am
- Steve Todd
  
  Bomber Bradbury’s thoughts on the Ilam poll results: https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2023/08/30/ilam-poll-winners-and-losers/.
  
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  August 30, 2023 11:24am
AgainstTheFlow

If you want to change the members of Cabinet, vote National.

If you want to change the direction of New Zealand’s future, vote ACT.
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August 30, 2023 8:12am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Even though Nats want to change virtually everything this government does
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:34am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Virtually everything this government does has not worked.
    
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    August 30, 2023 9:16am
- crikey
  
  The reality is, ‘AgainstTheFlow’, that ACT will be a partner in a coalition and they will not get everything they want. It doesn’t work like that. Only if they are the senior partner will they be able to call the shots.
  
  The best thing, for ACT’s long-term future, is to demonstrate they are a responsible partner in a centre-right government. I hope ACT does get significant support but to think they will dominate a coalition is not rational.
  
  If ACT decides to spit the dummy and sit on the cross-benches, just giving confidence and supply to National, that will be the end of them.
  
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  August 30, 2023 10:26am
  - Paulus
    
    Act should tell their Leader to pipe down and stop being so silly – he is getting above himself stupidly.
    
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    August 30, 2023 1:40pm
Opie

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/08/attorney-general-david-parker-says-labour-s-plan-to-tackle-ram-raiders-violates-rights-of-children.html

“Attorney-General David Parker has slammed Labour’s plan to crack down on ram raids saying it’s inconsistent with the Bill of Rights Act on multiple grounds.”

Isn’t he part of labour?

Wouldn’t they put something like this past him before releasing it if he wasn’t actually involved in it?

Or is it like when bad stuff was happening in Cindy’s office that was too hard to deal with she said it was a problem for the labour party to deal with…
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August 30, 2023 8:13am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Labour inconsistent with BoRA.
  
  In other news, the sun came up this morning.
  
  Every party – including ACT – trashed BoRA during the sniffles.
  
  BoRA is meaningless.
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:31am
- Prince
  
  The ‘Hipkins Factor’ is now flowing into the overall Govt operation.
  Shaw wasn’t told of cuts to his area. Parker (with some glee I imagine) calls out his party’s legislation as against the Bill of Rights…
  
  The wheels of the bus are falling off…falling off…falling off…
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:36am
  - Biscuit
    
    If nothing else, Prince, the debacle over Shaw not being consulted by Robbo should hit between the ears of Green folk that, hell, even with the most numbers-strong Labour Government in years they – the Greens and their policies – are an irrelevancy.
    
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    August 30, 2023 9:56am
  - Paulus
    
    Ardern ran away after she realised she had stuffed both Labour and New Zealand.
    She should be subject to prosecution when she gets back from the stupid Harvard semester in the USA.
    
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    August 30, 2023 1:43pm
- Ruahine
  
  Headline should have been ‘Labour suddenly rediscovers the Bill of Rights Act.’
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:44am
- ISeeRed
  
  We learned during Covid we have no Bill of Rights.
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Did not even have a right to talk to your neighbour, according to Ardern.
    
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    August 30, 2023 9:56am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Or go for a swim at the beach.
      
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      August 30, 2023 11:43am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Well they didn’t give a fuck about the BoRA when people (not unreasonably) objected to taking part in a massive medical experiment. Why would they give a fuck about the rights of actual violent criminals?
  
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  August 30, 2023 10:09am
Maggie Pie

Had to larf. Early morning talkback-caller says Jacinda Ardern has done more to set this country back in the last six years, than anyone else had ever managed since Kupe’s arrival from Hawaiki in 1300.
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August 30, 2023 8:14am
- kevn
  
  and most of her fellow perps are still there.
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:17am
  - kowtow
    
    Including , incredibly , a possible comeback by her enabler in chief .
    
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    August 30, 2023 8:45am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Excellent Maggie, good to see the early morning talkback-caller realises that Maori are not indigenous to NZ. Not least evidenced by their own oral history. Upon which they rest every claim they have ever made about anything ever.
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:52am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    TBF though IVV… Kupe and his bros did fish up the North Island.
    
    Just saying.
    
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    August 30, 2023 9:21am
    - sirknz
      
      One thing that always bothered me about the story of Maui and his brothers fishing up the North Island was the fact that all Maori would have had to know what the shape of the North Island was, the same as the South Island and Stewart Island. Are you telling me that a landlocked tribe or the tribes at the top of the North Island even knew of Stewart Island or understood the principles of cartography? Prior to whitey showing up, they didn’t seem to know of Australia.
      
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      August 30, 2023 11:18am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Holy shit! I always thort it was Kupe.
        Looks like I must stand corrected then.
        
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        August 30, 2023 12:01pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      No Maggie, it was Maui who fished up the North Island.
      And Kupe came here around the 10th century – not the 13th. According to my old Tuhoe Maori aunty (she died in 1972) Kupe brought a number of people with him, and they were the Moriori. That was her story – there are others of course.
      
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      August 30, 2023 12:02pm
  - Dave
    
    ‘Indigenous’ has a range of meanings in common use; arguments about Māori rights in 2023 or how to rectify (if possible, at what cost to whom) claimed, persisting historical injustices (real or imaginary) of colonialism are unlikely to be resolved by appealing to dictionary definitions.
    
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    August 30, 2023 9:34am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      On the contrary Dave, a dictionary definition would sort once and for all any and all claims that Maori have indigenous rights, for it they don’t, they have no claim on those rights. Maori today have no less or more rights in NZ than anyone else legally entitled to live here.
      
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      August 30, 2023 11:58am
      - Dave
        
        1) In using a dictionary definition to sort it out, which definition is to be used, given that there are different definitions which don’t say exactly the same thing?
        2) Who chooses the definition?
        3) What counts as acceptable evidence in determining the definition’s applicability to a group, on what basis do individuals qualify for membership of that indigenous group, and on whom does the burden of proof fall?
        4) Because, contra your last sentence in your 8.52 comment, many specific claims are NOT based on indigeneity, however much they use to the term, but on the basis of alleged promises made in 1840 and allegedly violated since then – your ancestors ripped my ancestors off and I’m still suffering from this etc – defining ‘indigenous’ won’t resolve these claims.
        
        On the whole, I think it is impossible to achieve cosmic justice (to steal a phrase from Thomas Sowell) by revisiting the past without inflicting injustices on people in the present, but so long as a sizeable and identifiable group of NZers feel aggrieved, to steal another phrase, this time from William Faulkner, that ‘the past is never dead. It is not even past’, dictionary definitions are unpersuasive and unhelpful.
        
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        August 30, 2023 7:31pm
    - Paulus
      
      They could also be called Aboriginal – look it up on Google.
      
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      August 30, 2023 1:46pm
- Southtop2
  
  Or maybe since the Chinese dropped off the Taiwanese slaves 1200-1450.
  Could someone open the National Archives please – my previous statement may not be true but I am interested to dig deeper.
  
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  August 30, 2023 12:08pm
Tony Stuart

National is releasing its tax policy this morning, and already Labour has negative attack advertisements out about “tax cuts for millionaires” and “four new taxes”. From what has come out about the tax package so far, this could blow up in Labour’s face rather badly.
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August 30, 2023 8:14am
- Simon
  
  First $20,000 income is tax free. Easy. National already having panic attacks about being revenue neutral. Its not just Labo its MSM on the attack and timid scared National buying into the narrative of having to increase tax from somewhere else.
  
  Bloated govt.borg.nz calling the shots not National.
  
  Last tax cut 2009. Such a struggle for National shows how useless they are. Regular tax cuts should be a feature of an incoming National govt. Not a one off every 15 yrs election issue.
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:22am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yeah right, so how would they have paid for the gfc and 4 large hugely damaging earthquakes
    
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    August 30, 2023 9:34am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Simon, as per usual with your runaway keyboard comments, you have conveniently ignored actual history, in favour of your preferred version of events.
    
    The truth is, Stephen Joyce in his last budget as Finance Minister (May 2017), had included legislation for tax cuts for Wage & Salary earners from 1 April 2018. The 2017 election & Winston’s anointing of Jacinda killed off those tax cuts. Remember? Or doesn’t that suit your Actoids narrative?
    
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    August 30, 2023 10:05am
- emmess
  
  Oh no, millionaires.
  Almost anyone that owns a house in a city
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:24am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Indeed. And if any of those home owners are superannuitants then they’ll be receiving the Winter Energy Payment, so Labour is already giving millionaires tax cuts!
    
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    August 30, 2023 10:13am
- Warren
  
  Prime Minister Chris Hipkins calls National ‘desperate’ for trying to find four new taxes to pay for cuts.
  This from a Prime Minister that he trys to shield his family from Politics and then when Labour are down in the polls and National with Act are looking like running away with the upcoming election decides to use his young daughter who was in Hospital decides it time to use the sympathy vote to help him claw back support.
  Our Prime Prime Minister Chris Hipkins like to throw dirt but crys wolf when others use it .
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/08/election-2023-chris-hipkins-calls-national-desperate-for-trying-to-find-four-new-taxes-to-pay-for-cuts.html
  A vote for Labour is a vote for more political corruption and out of control spending.
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:27am
- Rich Prick
  
  Ah, the negativity. Someone needs to remind Chippy that almost every property owner in Auckland is a “millionaire”.
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:27am
  - Cassandra
    
    Chippy is a millionaire. Jacinda and H Clark are multimillionaires. In fact, Mrs Cassandra is a millionaire.
    
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    August 30, 2023 8:42am
    - Matt Long
      
      Everyone in Zimbabwe is a millionaire.
      
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      August 30, 2023 9:21am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yeah, I have a Zimbabwe 100 Trillion dollar note.
        
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        August 30, 2023 9:30am
      - mawm
        
        Matt – most voters don’t understand that successive governments of either stripe are responsible for giving NZ so many millionaires ……. buy decreasing the purchasing power of the dollar (ie inflation).
        
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        August 30, 2023 6:07pm
- Tricati
  
  I bloody hope so – If there is any issue with Nationals Tax Policy, Labour and its MSM enablers, will run negative shit right up to election day.
  The best way to shut Robertson up is to have a rock-solid policy that is independently audited/verified and show the on-going waste of tax payers money by Labour.
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:32am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Willis snd Luxon looked very pleased with them self when spoken to yesterday, they stated the tax is aimed at middle nz, and a worker would not pay any new tax, Labour can flap their gums as much as they like, but they are gone goose.
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:38am
  - Warren
    
    They might look pleased G but they will be dejected in what they have to spend as we will need to print more bonds to pay the $35 billion that’s needed according to the Heralds Stocktakes.
    Stocktakes : Lower tax takes to batter our books, the Government has been increasing its debt issuance for a while now and a Westpac forecast suggest another 35% increase to $135 billion up from $100 billion in the December update.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/stock-takes-lower-tax-take-to-batter-the-books/73KQR5C5QVHFBM6TITJ3VYCAXU/
    How can any Prime Minister or Government bleat to the corrupt media that Nationals new tax policies announced today is smoke and mirrors when the have left the incoming Government a financial catastrophe to fix which was from six years of incompetence.
    
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    August 30, 2023 12:19pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Pretty sure Willis has already stated the joke eill have to be covered, only one way to do that and it is change the money hose
      
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      August 30, 2023 12:38pm
Matt Long

The Trees on Farms seminar I went to last week had a lot of good information.
One of the factors that showed up is how the government hates food production.
Trees primarily grown for fruit and nuts need not apply for ETA credits.
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August 30, 2023 8:14am
- AitchW
  
  I’d have thought this government would be all for fruits and nuts…..
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:16am
  - sirknz
    
    Only when it is rainbow flag month or involves women’s toilets…
    
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    August 30, 2023 9:06am
- Matt Long
  
  Meanwhile another study shows grasslands sequester more carbon than trees.
  NZ government policy; pay foreign corporations to cover pasture land with non producing trees.
  https://phys.org/news/2023-08-afforestation-carbon-sequestration-effective-grasses.html
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:18am
  - Tomtoddy
    
    It is beyond comprehension, indeed immoral to be forcing taxation on farmers when so little is actual known and proven about methane and what happens in the atmosphere, in vegetation, soils etc.
    
    It only confirms the extreme politicisation of science and the madness of policy being dictated by 14 yr old kids,
    
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    August 30, 2023 9:05am
Reg Perrin

Heard from a friend yesterday that Te Pukenga want to ditch adhering to the NZQA framework and become like a university that essentially creates its own framework. Having previously been in an organisation that attempted the same, they have no concept of the complexity or cost. How about just looking at how to reduce their loses or focusing on the basics of meeting students and industry needs
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August 30, 2023 8:17am
JJ56

The Canadian’s attempt to prop up legacy media goes from strength to strength.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/metas-canada-news-ban-fails-dent-facebook-usage-2023-08-29
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August 30, 2023 8:20am
Matt Long

In a highly ironical turn, First Nation people in America want their ancestors and tradidions honoured while racist regressives want them un-personed.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/native-americans-leading-redskins-petition-outraged-washington-commanders-rep-called-fake-group
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August 30, 2023 8:21am
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Richard Prebble has an opinion piece in the Herald this morning and suggests that voter apathy will be the big his on Labour this election. He notes that the Labour party donations are about on par with NZ1st and below the Greens.
If the Labour defeat is as significant as the polls suggest could we be looking at the demise of the party?
It is unlikely (impossible) that they will get any new MPs that have the leadership or management skills to be an effective opposition and attract new talent. And lack of funds will be a challenge to their recovery. This defeat will be very different to the one Bill English and the Nats had in 2002.
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August 30, 2023 8:25am
- Grunter
  
  I hope, and beleive, that;
  1. Labour will loose big time on Oct 14th (20%-22%)
  2. Their rabid factions will all turn on each other (Maori separatists, hard-left socialists, Unionists, Alphabet People…..)
  3. Funding will dry up….. and they then become some sort of weird minor party and maybe amalgamate with the communist Greens.
  
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  August 30, 2023 9:33am
  - gravedodger
    
    An entirely deserved legacy for “That Woman”, after all destroying a nation what better epitaph than destroying the “Workers Party”.
    
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    August 30, 2023 11:31am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Labour are no longer fit for purpose. They need a great reset, (how deliciously ironic).
  
  The traditional working class has shrunk dramatically. ‘Labour’ is now more about ideology and ‘feelz’. They have nothing in common with people like me from the trades and construction industries. Haven’t represented us for coming up 30 years.
  
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  August 30, 2023 10:14am
  - mawm
    
    They probably need to rename themselves – The NZ Socialist and Misfits Party?
    
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    August 30, 2023 6:16pm
- NothingLeft
  
  When I joined the Labor Party, it contained the cream of the working class. But as I look about me now, all I see are the dregs of the middle class. When will you middle class perverts stop using the Labor Party as a cultural spittoon? – Kim Beazley Snr to an ALP State Conference, circa 1970.
  
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  August 30, 2023 11:05am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Brilliant and accurate comment. The true, working class left has been infiltrated and hijacked by wannabe academic Marxists for many years.
    It has become the ‘goto’ for the ideologues and extreme nutters that infest every society.
    
    People who are tolerated, but normally never make too many waves because most people see the insanity of their ideologies and rightly ridicule them.
    Hence these moves to increase censorship, creation of Orwellian groups like the “Disinformation Project” and shutting down all and sundry for daring point out the completely nonsensical (and very dangerous) ideologies the fanatically push.
    
    The concerning part for me has been the actions of Seymour and Luxon for apparently being too frightened to call this garbage out for what it is. Supporting attacks on their own MPs for daring have a ‘different’ opinion to mainstream. Re educated Maureen Pugh and the ‘Nazi’ Elaine Naidu Franz come immediately to mind.
    
    I can only hope there is some sort of ‘cunning plan’ that I’m not aware of which they are going to implement once Labour has been destroyed at the election.
    
    Here’s hoping.
    
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    August 30, 2023 1:31pm
    - mawm
      
      You know that you hope in vain.
      
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      August 30, 2023 6:18pm
  - Paulus
    
    Are not the majority of paid up Labour Party Members women still, and they will be the voters who will be let down in a few weeks time – again.
    Did I not read recently that the analysis from a poll showed that 52 % of the poll voters women were over 50 years of age.
    Still interesting, expect that Jacinda would reappear.
    
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    August 30, 2023 2:00pm
    - crikey
      
      Paulus: I’m interested in what Jacinda would be reincarnated as.
      
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      August 30, 2023 9:28pm
Matt Long

Who is the most guilty in this case?
The psychotic man who murdered his neighbour? The Labour government who made it impossible for him to be placed in a secure mental facility the day before the murder?
Or the expletive deleted people who vote Labour into government.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/colin-blithe-murder-victim-contacted-hawkes-bay-mental-health-team-about-neighbour-in-the-days-before-he-choked-him-to-death/OKPESMOPWBDWTFLGTK2DNIFPPQ/
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August 30, 2023 8:27am
- Gravelroad
  
  Who is the most guilty in this case?
  The psychotic man who refused to take his medication.
  Entitled.
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:52am
  - Matt Long
    
    If I had a dollar for every mental health patient who refused to take their medication…
    It’s like the Scorpion and Frog fable.
    
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    August 30, 2023 9:25am
    - Paulus
      
      Why is there be no explanation as to why the Mental Health numbers have exploded exponentially in recent years, although beds have not increase at all.
      Can we please have some sort of analysis !
      Why not ?
      
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      August 30, 2023 2:03pm
      - mawm
        
        There is more and more evidence that smoking dope causes mental illness especially to the teenage brain. This is a problem society has to address, not government. Government needs to address the availability of services to treat these people.
        
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        August 30, 2023 6:22pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Tell that to Chloe
        
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        August 30, 2023 7:55pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Goodness only knows where $1.9 Billion of mental health “funding ” ended up.
  
  “Only Labour could spend $1.9 billion on mental health and deliver worse outcomes, fewer psychiatrists and no extra beds.
  
  https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2308/S00185/labour-delivers-fewer-psychiatrists-in-six-years.htm
  
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  August 30, 2023 9:00am
  - NothingLeft
    
    I’d bet mostly in Maori wonderfulness initiatives, financing big cars and flash suits for consultants with the right parentage.
    
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    August 30, 2023 11:07am
Maggy Wassilieff

Is National full of poll-driven fruitcakes?

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/peter-williams-why-national-why
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August 30, 2023 8:28am
- Grunter
  
  Peter Williams is dead right. The Nats have clearly swung left, he gives a few good examples, so hard to argue otherwise. Of course they have done this because the total population (average) has also swung left relative to where it was 20-30 yrs ago. Democracy gets what it deserves (votes for).
  
  The real problem is that central planning socialism has become trendy and acceptable again despite its obvious failings many times over the past 100yrs+
  
  Checkout this article
  https://mises.org/library/new-socialism-public-private-partnership
  
  An important driving force of the socialist renaissance has been the constant growth of state organisations. This includes all organisations that are largely financed by the state, including the MSM.
  
  Secondly, ideological do-gooders find an ideal playground in the large private foundations (eg WEF, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, etc), especially when the founders let the supposed “experts” run free and entrust them with the management of the organisation’s assets without any strings attached.
  
  If you think voting National is going to take us to a liberal, free-market economy – think again! You will be horribly dissappointed.
  
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  August 30, 2023 9:11am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Women are strongly inclined towards high tax big-state socialism, where they get supported comfortably irrespective of their effort or choices. Even though over the long term it impoverishes everyone, they, on average love the short term sugar hit of more free stuff with less onus on self reliance and effort.
    
    Given there are more female than male voters the long term slide into inevitably repressive socialism is unavoidable. Case in point; western civilisation.
    
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    August 30, 2023 11:15am
  - mawm
    
    Grunter – If one pays attention to what the leader says and does, and ignores the repetitive incomprehensible shouting down of those who have not joined the cult, this is all obvious. National is a centre left party which means that they will legislate like one. The country will be better off than under today’s socialist left, but only just and certainly not to the extent we could be.
    
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    August 30, 2023 6:37pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Williams is 100% correct, but then most people already know that they are in effect, only voting to get rid of the worst government in history rather than a progressive opposition with great ideas and policies.
  Best of a bad bunch in reality. Sad that this is the level the country has reached.
  
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  August 30, 2023 10:25am
Maggie Pie

Ahhh, the beauty of ‘diversity hire’ 😀

Now that Simon Muttonhori has headed off to find work in Australia, I wonder if the Wairoa District Council will be able to find someone local to fill the vacant role of ….
Group Manager-Planning & Regulatory Services?

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1696331468698706287
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August 30, 2023 8:30am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Filling out a fringe benefit tax form must be demeaning for everyone then?
  Maybe it was more about how can I hide what I have approriated when I have to fill in a legal document for the IRD?
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:46am
- kevn
  
  No doubt Wairoa Council will have given him a glowing reference. That’s what councils do when emptying someone out. Next council employer inherits a drongo. The rejected one never goes to private enterprise.
  Luckily google will be the Aussie (potential) employers friend.
  
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  August 30, 2023 9:11am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Simon sounds like a man eminently qualified to run a sheep farm owned by a Maori Trust.
  
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  August 30, 2023 11:55am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL!!
    
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    August 30, 2023 12:03pm
Matt Long

Another detransitioner calls out the people who mutilated her body at age 14.
The NZ parliament passed a law that only people who will affirm body disphoria can counsel gender confused people.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12418103/Woman-slams-therapist-transition-surgery.html
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August 30, 2023 8:36am
- Notsofast
  
  Maya Forstater gets straight to the point at the end of this clip.
  
  They are sterilizing gay children.
  New Zealand is doing the same.
  Every current politician knows but has been silenced.
  
  https://youtu.be/nCD-Fb74Lys?si=QG5vA_6HyLhxDQX-
  
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  August 30, 2023 3:47pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

2024 is a wrap.

https://rantsofizzo.com/dominick/donald-trumps-twitter-account-sees-surge-of-followers/
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August 30, 2023 8:38am
- NothingLeft
  
  He’ll lose the election if he’s still running in 2024, as one or more of the (politically motivated and outcome-predetermined cases in baised jurisdictions) will see him convicted and subject to jail pending appeals. As unfair as the lawfare is, it will still work.
  
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  August 30, 2023 11:20am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Can still be POTUS while in jail. Just a bit harder.
    In reality none of this indictment shit will stick. Just look at who is doing this, Willis, Bragg, Smith, Chutkan, L James. I don’t know how many others, but they are all Democrats paid to try and stop Trump running in 2024. It won’t work.
    Meanwhile the heat is off the real crookes, the Bidens. Democrats are desperate, just like Labour here.
    
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    August 30, 2023 12:01pm
Random T Person

I know she’s nominally a girl, but it isn’t hard to see why puerile Tova contributed to the failure of Today FM.
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August 30, 2023 8:41am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  puellile Tova ?
  
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  August 30, 2023 9:18am
  - JFAP
    
    Maggy, you’re a pedant after my own heart!
    
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    August 30, 2023 9:36am
  - Random T Person
    
    Oh you beauty.
    
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    August 30, 2023 10:08am
Jade Warrior

Maybe I’m reading too much into this but I’ve noted that whenever the NZ Herald and Stuff run a picture of Hipkins in connection with a Labour policy announcement, he’s always looking happy and positive. By contrast, pictures of Luxon always portray him as unhappy or pensive.

Perhaps it is a reflection of the differing personalities of the two Chrises but I have met Luxon twice and I certainly know that he can smile. Is this another example of the “mainstream” media’s anti-National bias?
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August 30, 2023 8:42am
- sirknz
  
  No! No! No! The media is right leaning and is actively undermining Labour’s re-election chances at every opportunity.
  
  At least that is the what the Labour true believers are saying day in and day out.
  
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  August 30, 2023 9:17am
- Benedict Yu
  
  That has been happening forever. The magic of digital cameras is that you can take dozens or hundreds of shots and pick the worst or best. Look at Kellie Jay Keen. They got a photo of her making a white supremacist symbol. She was scratching her nose or adjusting her hair. Or something.
  
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  August 30, 2023 10:00am
  - NothingLeft
    
    adjusting a zip
    
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    August 30, 2023 11:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trump doing the ‘OK’ signal is somehow a message of Hate!
    
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    August 30, 2023 12:05pm
Swifty

For Gravelroad:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-express/news/132833259/stuck-in-the-middle-with-ewes-sheep-farmer-baffled-by-wools-demise
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August 30, 2023 8:52am
- Gravelroad
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/99998720/success-of-merino-held-up-as-example-to-coarse-wool-industry
  Thanks Swifty.
  This article above is dated 2017.
  There is still demand for merino wool, but returns to the grower remain unpredictable – even with contracts.
  Perception of merino wool is also a factor.
  Many people who have a merino garment in their wardrobe are often surprised to know that it is actually made out of wool.
  They like to argue that, no, it is not a woollen jersey, it is a merino.
  Many famous fashion designers use merino wool for their garments – which is good marketing.
  Some take a personal interest in where the “fibre” comes from (more marketable than describing it as wool), how it is grown, animal welfare to exacting standards, whether you have inspected health and safety standards and notices put up and so on.
  Wool is a natural product, renewable and safe.
  But, people still happy to buy products made out of oil and synthetics because farm animals “bad” and making the world boil.
  Merino, not being wool, is different, of course!
  
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  August 30, 2023 9:51am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

And so it starts with Joe. If Labour stay in power, Hipkins will follow. CONTROL!!

https://spreely.video/v/2506755198/-Biden-Says-New-COVID-Shots–That-Work–May-Be-Required-For-All-Americans
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August 30, 2023 8:57am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Here’s a bit of inspiration for you just in case Steve.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_sEYlTwi54
  
  ‘I will not comply’
  
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  August 30, 2023 10:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Long time since I saw a guitar played like that. I think it is open chord.
    
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    August 30, 2023 12:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How’s all that wrap-around caring for our vulnerable children working out at Oranga Tamariki?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300960435/two-men-charged-with-organising-fights-between-children-inside-oranga-tamariki
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August 30, 2023 9:05am
- Blog-aholic
  
  It is called a wrap-around the head.
  
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  August 30, 2023 10:05am
surfing

Friends of ours moved out of Rotorua a few months back, because they said their kids were being chased by groups of kids after school. We thought it sounded a bit dramatic, but now we see this…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/rotorua-public-bashings-girl-collapses-after-being-beaten-up-near-library-second-attack-in-a-week/VV32QD4XYZGHFMN47ZQ47WNTR4/
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August 30, 2023 9:07am
- cmm
  
  Second in a week.
  [The] police were “confident those involved will be held accountable”.
  Right! What does that mean? And who will they be applying those “consequences” to?
  Every one of the people with their cellphones out participated in this and were accessories to assault.
  None of them get any consequences. Nothing will change.
  
  Cops: Not good enough!
  If your hands are tied, then take on your management and parliamentarians to give you the tools you need to do the job.
  
  Rotorua really is a shit hole. Unfortunately it is no longer even remarkable.
  
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  August 30, 2023 10:31am
- Ghost
  
  From newshub
  
  Rotorua Mayor Tania Tapsell told AM on Wednesday there are reports the fight involving the 15-year-old could’ve been gang-related.
  
  “We’ve had reports that there were certain gang colours being worn. So very unfortunate,” she said.
  
  “Look, these girls are incredibly young. Everybody should feel safe in the Rotorua community and alongside the police, the council is doing all we can to ensure that our public spaces are safe spaces for our children.”
  
  Article
  
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  August 30, 2023 12:24pm
  - surfing
    
    In our friend’s case, the targeting of their children was almost certainly racial.
    
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    August 30, 2023 1:22pm
Maggie Pie

Watching BBC NEWS earlier.

Despite the weekends London Nottinghill-Carnival being described as…. “the biggest Caribbean Street Festival in the world”, for some reason the Beeb seemed to give it very little coverage.
Other than 10sec of overhead drone footage, it was like “there’s not much to see here.”

For those like me who really enjoy ‘people watching’, luckily there have been hundreds of vids posted on Twitter 😎

https://twitter.com/ben_kew/status/1696167143727923342

[Watch full screen/sound up]
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August 30, 2023 9:11am
nathie

Megan Woods missing in action again from Hosking’s Wednesday politics segment with Mark Mitchell.

I actually think that it a good thing … for each time a different Labour MP fills in for Megan, in today’s case, Ginny Anderson, it reveals the true person behind the glossy smiles and favorable media/PR soundbites.

Not only are they vacuous, they reveal their true nastiness as they belittle the Opposition’s policies as being “made up or serving the rich or having no answers” and so on.

Suggestion to ZB/Hosking – put a different Labour MP up each week until the election against Mark Mitchell … as well as being entertaining it will be popcorn gold!
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August 30, 2023 9:11am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Anderson sounds bloody terrible on the mic
  
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  August 30, 2023 9:41am
- Tricati
  
  As Megan Woods is running the election campaign for Labour, she will be hiding away dragging up all the nasty shit she can to use against National – She has form with it and would be top of the nasty tree within Labour.
  
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  August 30, 2023 10:50am
  - geoff3012
    
    6 Pies at it again…..
    
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    August 30, 2023 12:29pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Megan probably having another sleep-in to digest all the pies.
  
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  August 30, 2023 10:55am
sirknz

Another cis, white male again.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/waikato-man-aaron-wilson-jailed-for-killing-his-partner-betty-maree-paparoa/2AYUSGJFBBFFPICDPQHSIASEEY/

Oh, wait, no it is colonialism that caused this…
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August 30, 2023 9:19am
- john1234
  
  At least the sentencing judge has taken note and avoided the stupid sentence discounting game for once.
  
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  August 30, 2023 9:58am
Observant Octagenarian

Anyone worked out that male politicians and dignitaries should never attempt to kiss a lesbian? Ask any Spaniard.
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August 30, 2023 9:23am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  Quite a lot of people have worked out that no man, including politicians and dignitaries, should ever attempt to kiss any woman, including lesbians, unless it is clear and explicit that that is what she wants.
  
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  August 30, 2023 9:46am
  - Random T Person
    
    I don’t even attempt kissing my wife, far too risky.
    
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    August 30, 2023 10:13am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      My partner just read that. Now she is looking at me funny.
      
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      August 30, 2023 12:13pm
  - cmm
    
    Do you take a contract with you?
    
    Mary, I want to propose that we try a small kiss, but I want to make sure you’re consenting to this. Here is a document I would like you to sign:
    ” I __________ am willing to be ______ on the ___ for a period not exceeding ____. I acknowledge that I am not being coerced or exploited in any way and I am sober enough to make this agreement.
    Signed __________ at ______________”
    
    We can get the couple at the other table to witness it. And I have a whole pile of these in case we want to go further.
    
    I’m bloody glad I’m no longer in the dating game.
    
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    August 30, 2023 10:38am
Maggy Wassilieff

Has the Maori Party finally woken up to the fact that it runs a racist and xenophobic agenda?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/496840/te-pati-maori-apologises-to-refugees-and-migrant-communities-for-harmful-narratives
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August 30, 2023 9:33am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Don’t think so Maggy – the RNZ version misses just a tiny point.
  
  “A series of tweets, posted on Tuesday afternoon, said the party did not stand for xenophobia and racism in any form, and thanked migrant and refugee communities for holding it to account.”
  Herald version:
  “A series of posts on X, formerly known as Twitter, said the party did not stand for xenophobia and racism in any form, and thanked migrant and refugee communities for holding it to account.
  …
  Further posts said the party was working to rewrite its policy: “We no longer buy into the colonial agenda that divides and rules.”
  
  So “they” were buying into a “colonial agenda” …?
  Leopards don’t change their spots – the camouflage is too good.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/election-2023-te-pati-maori-apologises-to-refugees-and-migrant-communities-for-harmful-narratives/GGMAAWV4NJAHTPKDGYOZIWHX7E/
  
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  August 30, 2023 9:55am
- oldfella
  
  Talking about the Maori Party, did John Tamihere ever repay that charity money he ‘diverted’ for other purposes?
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130008768/john-tamihere-defends-his-charities-payments-and-loans-to-his-political-campaigns
  
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  August 30, 2023 12:20pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Does the Pope sh*t in the woods?
    
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    August 30, 2023 8:01pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Bidenomics. He learnt from Ardern??

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1695183311939727497
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August 30, 2023 10:04am
kevn

The memes version is better…
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/bidens-cringe-whiteboard-presentation-memed-oblivion
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August 30, 2023 10:13am
Takere

The Labour Treaty Settlement Minister Angry Little attempting his own kinda Ram Raid!

The Rt Hon Minister A Little is trying to ram through the last 5 Hauraki iwi treaty settlements as well as trying to bully the Ngati Rangi iwi into giving in to Paul Majurey.
Link from yesterday’s media;

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/crown-encourages-ngai-te-rangi-and-pare-hauraki-kaumatua-to-reach-agreement-so-treaty-settlements-can-be-finalised/QZ6C7UZBA5GDPPJSAJ2XEBJA2A/

This ‘Ngati Paoa Settlement Bill’ before the Maori Affairs Select Committee.

The entire settlement process had been plagued with many poorly thought-through decisions by both the Crown and its officials as well as the negotiators and a series of poorly performing boards of trustees, both the Ngati Paoa iwi Trust board and also the defunct Ngati Paoa Trust Board.

There are still some major financial matters that need investigation as there have been no proper, (any) financial reports provided for example; the $15.626m investment made to purchase a shareholding of the Pouarua Farm in 2013 to the registered ‘holding’ company Ngati Paoa Group Investments Limited,(5898250).

The $15.626m is ‘on account’ and is to be deducted from the $23.5m. Other deductions to be made from this initial cash settlement include the $1m Railways Monies which to date have not been reported on fully by the Ngati Paoa Whanau Trust. After many enquiries made to the trust and to the accountants, Beesons who have audited the NPWT account. They still have not provided an adequate set of financial reports.

16 Properties were purchased from the Crown in 2015. Two properties were withdrawn. A $12.3m loan was raised to purchase these properties. To date, eight properties have been sold for approximately $8m. The rest of the properties remain unaccounted for.

What is also unknown are the liabilities associated with the partnership that Ngati Paoa is involved in with the Marutuahu Collective redress settlement regarding the Marutuahu developments, the Marutuahu Ropu General Partnership Limited. With the promotion of these developments across Tamaki, Auckland in Avondale, Mt Albert, and Waterview. Ngati Paoa liabilities are more than $200m. These developments are said to be worth more than $600m-$800m, P Majurey has said many times in the media. – Its the only report(s) ‘we’ get.

To date, since this entity was formed in 2013. The uri of Ngati Paoa have not received any financial reports or any information about what the risks are to these developments or how they are being funded.

This settlement also makes Paoa a party to the Pare Hauraki Collective Redress Bill.

In 2018 , in Manukau. 252 people voted against the signing of this settlement! Less than 44 people agreed. Somehow the Crown accepted a vote from a second group that was put together after the original official vote was taken. Where is the Tikanga in that process.

2020-2023: This last group of unelected self-appointed ‘trustees’ for the Ngati Paoa iwi Trust. They did not have a proper quorum of 5 trustees. In 2021 two resigned and in early 2022 another resigned. The remaining trustees were unable to form a proper quorum. No minutes for this entire election process have been provided to the many uri that have continually made requests since 2020. Which is a breach of the Trustees Act and also the Companys Act with regard to the financial reports or lack thereof let alone the Deed.

They removed the descendants of Paoa from the election process by cancelling the registration of the uri of Paoa. They then cancelled the election claiming no nominations were received and then they elected themselves unopposed. These current unelected trustees have no shame.

The current unelected trustees removed the three marae from the registration and voting process by cancelling the election. They did not involve the Kaumatua of those Marae in any validation of the whakapapa process because it was cancelled. Tika & Pono was not a consideration at any stage in their gerrymandering of the election. The current unelected trustees need to be removed immediately and a statutory manager be put in place, appointed by the Auditor Generals office.

In the past 4 elections for trustees. No more than 380 people get to vote. However, there are more than 4,500 that claim to be affiliated. We only have 3 Marae. Somehow we have 57 Hapu. This does not make any sense nor does it make any sense in reality. For example, Tainui-Waikato have 90,000+ registered members, 33 Marae and 28 Hapu.

Not one set of trustees has explained how this has come to be. The ‘Bill’ doe not make it any clearer.

The ‘deal’ outside of the settlement, the Pt England Commercial ‘deal’ will need another loan to be raised for approximately $12.2m if this commercial deal is to be pursued.

As this treaty settlement offer stands as I write this submission, it burdens the iwi with more debt and liabilities that no proper responsible person, trustee(s) would agree to if they were to take their fiduciary duty and legal obligations seriously.

This treaty settlement bill is not worthy of progressing to any further stage.

This bill and all its contents as well as the financial omissions within and unaccounted for from the current and past trustees, who have neglected their duties and obligations therefore these matters that I have raised must be fully investigated. This bill leaves more questions about the sustainability and security of the Settlement than it does otherwise.

I therefore request that a full and complete Administrative Audit be undertaken as well as a Financial Audit be done by the Auditor Generals office as soon as possible. This is the only proper thing to do to prevent another grievance.

I do not support this Bill. I wish to speak to the Maori Affairs Committee.

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18 August 2023

Here (below) are more documents from the NPiT website that, if you believe, are correct (or not). They (NPiT) are ‘technically’ insolvent.

The financial reports from the NPiT are incomplete and unaudited and not signed.

FINANCIAL STATUS

To recap from the NPIT Information hui held on 19

February 2022 the financial status of NPIT was:

1) No funds and no staff – NPIT did not appoint any staff

due to the $500k overdraft and the board worked

towards resolving the overdraft;

2) No spending – all expenditures ceased due to no pūtea, therefore expenses were reduced considerably, but still receiving increasing overdraft fees. Board members and our Ngāti Paoa whānau worked voluntarily; and

3) No access – NPIT had no access to Xero or BNZ operational accounts. It had taken a considerable length of time and process to get access

[PAGE 16, NGATI PAOA IWI TRUST ANNUAL REPORT 2021 – 2022]

Link to the NPiT website;

https://www.ngatipaoaiwi.co.nz/

Furthermore, the 14 properties are unaccounted for. 4 properties do not appear anywhere on the NPiT financial report(s) or within the NPGH Ltd Annual reports.

The Ngati Paoa Group Holdings company 2013-2023 – struck off/deregistered for not filing the Annual Financial Return(Accounts) 2023

Furthermore, the audited accounts from the previous trustees/directors of the Ngati Paoa Group Holding Ltd company need further scrutiny as there seems to be poor management and Directorship of the Holding company by the two directors, B Rhind and M Forbes.

https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/4747860?backurl=H4sIAAAAAAAAAC2LQQrDMAwEf%2BNLD3mBKD31kkMg%2FcBiidTQyKolF%2FL7mpDbzjA7GTbxKdfdoGUsF7T8vu%2BVhTygjMYpDhMSjRIjSV%2FSDVFuhooE%2FkGz8AKVD0Xrks7weI2P02OeL14D0f3ZardT%2FwFjGzkBegAAAA%3D%3D

“This company is now overdue in its obligation to file an annual return. If the annual return is not filed immediately the Registrar will initiate action to remove the company from the register.

The Registrar of Companies has initiated action to remove the company from the register and public notice was given. The objection period has lapsed and the Registrar will continue with the removal process unless an objection has been received.”

Then the ‘phoenix’ Ngati Paoa holding company is (re)registered. And there doesn’t seem to be any current Annual Returns report(s) recorded for the company.

Also, the Pouarua Farm, a parcel of shares worth, $15,625,000,000 (29.21% shareholding). There have not been any reports and Annual Financial reports on this investment other than in 2016 at Wharekawa Marae.

The NPGH Ltd accounts do not show any returns on this investment nor does the NPiT.he Ngati Paoa interests within the Marutuahu Collective redress settlement bill.

Ngati Paoa is compromised and is liable for these developments. However, Ngati Paoa has no (Direct,) involvement in any decision-making for any of these investments worth hundreds of millions of dollars. This all has been unreported. No Financial Reports have been provided to the iwi since 2013 from the Marutuahu Ropu Group Holding Ltd and the Marutuahu General Partners Ltd.

This is the only information that is available.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/council-selling-marutuahu-ockham-partnership-158ha-in-avondale-for-750-apartments/VCZLIEDBK56XESPVDJIQOEWYPY/

Marutuahu/Ockham and Kainga Ora via HUD infrastructure funding

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new-multi-billion-dollar-village-planned-for-owairaka-mt-albert-by-marutuahu-ockham/OHN4SJNAJ5VSQMGCRTC5CKA4ZQ/

In October 2016 an agreement was signed with Marutuahu Ropu and Ockham Residential Limited to develop vacant land for new houses in Auckland.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/the-affordable-mt-albert-apartments-with-a-pool/QI5TQUHBBEHTR5QMLQXXJW3GZ4/

(Marutuahu Ockham(MO2, 3, 4, 5) have had $23m of funding from the Pare Hauraki Fishing Ltd entity)

There are also issues surrounding the 1993 Railways Settlement monies and discrepancies with the organisation responsible for the $1m settlement. The Ngati Paoa Whanau (Registered Charity) claims to hold these funds. Their appointed accountants Beessons of Onehunga refuse to confirm this and so do NPWT trustees. This matter needs to be investigated as well as all of the matters that are contained within my submission and this document too.

There are more questions to be asked than all the claims made by the current unelected trustees about their financial reporting and financial status.

Also, what creates doubt about these trustee’s competence and accountability to perform their duties diligently is the lack of transparency by which I mean the numerous requests made for minutes going back to 2020. They have refused to provide any minutes when uri make those requests.

And Angry Little does nothing to get to the bottom of any of this and investigate all of these matters that have been sent to him and his officials over the years many times.

With less than 10 sitting days left for them in parliament I’m betting he’s gunna try to ram these settlements through the House to score ‘Brownie’ points for himself.

He needs a kick in the….
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August 30, 2023 10:18am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Downtick. Too bloody long.
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:09pm
Maggie Pie

My partner just retweeted this. CLASSIC PUTIN

My fave part….. “Give me back my pen” 😎

https://twitter.com/19hassan49/status/1696021854765351005

Full screen – sound up
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August 30, 2023 10:18am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Young Putin playing to his image as fighting for the little man, bullying billionaires.
  But he has the biggest thieves and most money closest to him.
  Basically a mafia state these days.
  
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  August 30, 2023 8:52pm
M.Solvent

From the Herald article on National’s tax policy:

“All of the savings were expressed as fortnightly figures, rather than weekly figures, making them look larger.” https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/revealed-national-tax-plan-offers-average-worker-50-a-fortnight

Most employees get paid fortnightly or monthly, so it makes sense to release the fortnightly savings so that working people can more easily work out their take-home pay. The numbers may appear larger to Labour voters who collect their benefits weekly.
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August 30, 2023 10:25am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Benefits are paid fortnightly.
  
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  August 30, 2023 11:36am
  - Ghost
    
    Pension is fortnightly, most other benefits are weekly
    
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    August 30, 2023 11:44am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Tax Policy, live.
It is finished now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXcK8uw5vyc
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August 30, 2023 11:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  $26 per fortnight for those on Super.
  
  https://assets.nationbuilder.com/nationalparty/pages/17859/attachments/original/1693346887/Back_Pocket_Boost.pdf
  
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  August 30, 2023 11:37am
Tony Stuart

Make a note now. National won the 2023 General Election between 10.40am and 11.30am on Wednesday 30 August 2023.

The Back Pocket Boost policy is a winner, it’s self-funding, and someone earning $78,000 per year gets exactly the same amount of dollars per fortnight as a millionaire, so the “tax cuts for millionaires” argument is shot down in flames. It’s sensible, self-funding and well targeted. Details here:

Outline: https://www.national.org.nz/delivering_tax_relief?fbclid=IwAR3YzA1A16NkPRJYcR-YGG8EvJv1DqG3BnLIWdpSUgMYpzvLCIhRmHqbXR0

Details: https://assets.nationbuilder.com/nationalparty/pages/17859/attachments/original/1693346887/Back_Pocket_Boost.pdf?1693346887
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August 30, 2023 11:35am
- Ghost
  
  And the September 12 PREFU will cement labour’s death
  
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  August 30, 2023 11:41am
- rouppe
  
  Not sure where they get the$100 pf from.
  
  I ran my (over 100k) income through the new tax rates and got $40pf.
  
  Not eligible for wff
  
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  August 30, 2023 12:10pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Astute bloggers will note that National has “shot down in flames” the argument that “millionaires” are not deserving of tax cuts by increasing the proportion of the tax burden paid by high earners. As per usual, National fight criticism by adopting left wing policies.
  
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  August 30, 2023 12:32pm
Maggie Pie

Well this aged like a dog shit left sitting in the sun….

https://twitter.com/nzlabour/status/1696429247710003685

LOL!!
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August 30, 2023 11:43am
- Handyman
  
  It reminds me of the Agatha Christie murder mystery rules. Everyone must tell the truth except the crim is allowed to lie.
  Under these rules Labour can lie but National must be held to a higher standard.
  
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  August 30, 2023 1:03pm
Maggie Pie

And what about poor ol’ Clint….he’ll be out of a job wont he?

At least he got this right 😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/ClintVSmith/status/1696671090771456022
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August 30, 2023 11:56am
Northshore

I have just crunched the numbers for the tax rate thresholds announced by National.
Someone on $75k per annum on the M code will pay $20 nett less PAYE per week.
The changes to the thresholds are modest, but I suppose realistic. This probably does not fully compensate for the fiscal drag effect of rising incomes. Given that the earliest time for this to be delivered is May next year, and wage reviews in NZ normally occur in January, then increased tax revenue will pay for this.
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August 30, 2023 12:04pm
- newview
  
  The changes maybe modest but good savings to be made for those driving in Auckland and Northshore because extra petrol tax will also be removed.
  
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  August 30, 2023 12:29pm
- cmm
  
  Anyone who cares about their pay and fiscal drag has pissed off to Aus or has plans to do so. This isn’t enough to make them change their minds.
  
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  August 30, 2023 1:39pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Also someone earning 150,000 a year on M will save $20.05 per week, which is the maximum saving. The saving maxes out at earnings of $78,100.
  I think they did it like this to avoid the usual argument from the left “But Luxon will get an extra $xxxx whereas low income only get $xx”
  
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  August 30, 2023 4:40pm
Ghost

it looks like he has pissed himself

Police are seeking the public’s help to identify a mystery man after a student midwife was sexually assaulted outside a South Auckland hospital earlier this month.

The health worker was assaulted when walking to her car after her evening shift outside Middlemore Hospital on August 14.

Counties Manukau Police are appealing for information from the public to identify the man to assist with the investigation.

Article

Anyone else get at the top of this article a picture of luxon and his tax policy?
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August 30, 2023 12:18pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  “Was it one of them again, Yogi?”
  
  “It’s always them, Booboo”
  
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  August 30, 2023 12:40pm
David Garrett

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/132835078/gone-in-90-seconds-youths-compete-to-steal-cars-in-unprecedented-crime-wave

“Released into the custody of his [probably gang] family”. Twice. Back stealing cars a few days later.

When even Stuff starts headlining stories “An unprecedented crime wave” you know we have really got a problem with crime in this country.
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August 30, 2023 12:38pm
- cmm
  
  DG: The bit that really got me in that article was the interaction between Dudge Jane McMeeken and the 14 year old miss who has numerous bail breaches and warnings.
  
  Poor McMeeken was “frustrated”.
  
  “If you don’t know, how can I trust you?” the judge asked, before giving her a last chance warning. “You could have been killed.”
  
  Yeah, what about other people being killed? FFS Dudge – do your duty!
  
  50 cents and a servo pie says this won’t be her final last change warning.
  
  And I’ll put money on Ms 14 year old becoming a career criminal as well as taking up lodgings in my pocket – along with her 6 kids from different baby-daddies.
  
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  August 30, 2023 1:37pm
Northshore

Newview : my comments were specific to the tax rates, and I have not had time to read the rest of the package.
Yes – Auckland’s extra petrol tax removal will be most welcome. I was filling up my tank each week, same time, same place, same day, same mileage, and each week it came to about $50. After June, it became $70. Last fill, it was $80.
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August 30, 2023 12:40pm
- newview
  
  Northshore. I’m from Hawke’s Bay but felt for Auckland after it took the brunt of Covid lockdowns for all of us. What did this government do, give you an extra petrol tax. National won’t do everything right but might govern with a bit more intelligence than Labour.
  
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  August 30, 2023 1:46pm
Maggie Pie

Can someone confirm this?

When I tweeted that the first thing National need to do is dump those two arsehats Coster and Orr, people replied they can’t be removed until their existing contracts expire in the next couple of years 🙁

Is that true. Why can’t they just be paid out and replaced immediately. It’s the new government’s decision who they want in those roles, surely?
Mark Mitchell has already said he’d resign if he can’t cut crime by 50% in the first year. What chance of that happening with Cuddles glued in the big leather chair??
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August 30, 2023 12:55pm
- Keith White
  
  I think is timely to quote the Ardernist-aligned ideologue Beria –
  
  “Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime” was Beria’s infamous boast (served as deputy USSR premier from 1941 until Stalin’s death in 1953).
  
  Coster and Orr can both be fired for cause.
  
  Whereas Bloomfield, Verrall and Hipkins can be tried for crimes against humanity under the Geneva Convention Article 32.
  
  Sure, they almost certainly won’t be held so accountable, but they could be under the language extant in that article.
  
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  August 30, 2023 2:42pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Generally cheaper to performance manage people out. And there is a the convention of non-political civil service, But in these two cases the track record of failures and ongoing damage they are doing is too large to let them stay. They should be strongly encouraged to resign with immediate effect, and if they won’t jump them push them.
  
  Needs to be a proper clean out and hiring of actual experts rather than diversity hires at the reserve bank.
  
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  August 30, 2023 4:32pm
Don Beckett

I fail to see why they can’t appoint a “Co-Commissioner”, and rearrange the duties so that Coster handles the menial things & the new guy handles the problem areas. Coster moved sideways, & made irrelevant.
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August 30, 2023 1:00pm
surfing

Tremains latest is a doozy…
https://tinyurl.com/yc7thtjc

One seeking offence might be offended. But one has to be able to laugh at oneself. I enjoy jokes about western culture … I’m descended from Ireland and love Irish jokes.
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August 30, 2023 1:21pm
- rockape
  
  I am from Scotland and I love Irish jokes as well!
  
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  August 30, 2023 4:53pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Only two countries are still pursuing an elimination strategy for Covid, New Zealand and China.
One is a communist dictatorship. The other is China!
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August 30, 2023 2:36pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

30th August 2020.

NZ Minister of Health:
“Everyone to be tested”
“Many commenters were concerned the request would flood the testing stations, with more than 500,000 people living in the two areas.” (south and west Auckland)
But for the inconvenient truth.
To quote Hipkins….we have large enough stockpiles of the test….300 000.
OOPs from the idiot boy, in charge of health.
That, girls and boys, is the intelligence level of our current Govt.

Now he is running the Country!(into the ground)
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August 30, 2023 2:41pm
- Keith White
  
  Aren’t those stockpiled tests already time-expired according to the People’s Pravda?
  
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  August 30, 2023 2:44pm
  - kevn
    
    Keith… Add the silly masks to the waste pile.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300960122/the-wasted-taxpayer-money-being-spent-storing-obsolete-face-masks-for-schools
    
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    August 30, 2023 3:50pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Thing is the dipstick says we have large enough stockpiles of the test….300 000.
    To treat 500,000?
    Epic fail on numbers – but hey, this is once again, Labour and numbers just don’t work!
    
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    August 30, 2023 4:14pm
Jack5

What’s the story with the Southland Regional Development Agency Ltd having a North Island-based chairman?

The agency, which uses the name, Great South, has been cornered in its project for an oat-milk producing factory. This is being “hijacked” to Canterbury. The plan now is to take Southland-grown oats to Canterbury for processing.

NZ Functional Foods Ltd and the development agency had hoped to build the oat-milk factory in the southern region, once famed for its oat production.

A company ultimately 90 per cent owned by Stephen Tindall, has 51 per cent of NZ Functional Foods, and the regional agency has 49 per cent.

Howard Clarke, of Balclutha-based chemical and seeds company, Advance Agriculture, was reported in the Otago Daily Times this month as saying he would welcome an inquiry into how 10 years of work from Great South employees would end with the plant being built in Canterbury.

He said that, because of its climate, Southland was one of the best places in the world to grow high-quality oats. He believed the transport costs to Canterbury would be a barrier to developing a Southland oat-growing industry.

Southland Regional Development Agency, owned by Southland local authorities, is chaired by Ian Collier, of Masterton. The directors are:

Ian (Ian Douglas) Collier; Jason Richard Franklin, of Riverton; Jeffrey James Grant, of Balfour;
Lucy Merrick Jane Griffiths, of Masterton; Peter James Heenan, of Invercargill; Rachel Anne Lindsay, of Invercargill; and Maria Hinewai Pera, of Bluff.

Southland District Council Mayor Gary Tong, who chairs the Joint Shareholders Committee that selected the new board, welcomed Collier’s appointment.

“While he is not a Southlander, he has had strong ties with the region over a long period of time. In particular, through his position in Air New Zealand, he supported local tourism development such as the Bluff Oyster Festival and more latterly helped deliver the direct air link to Auckland.”

The key target of the Southland Regional Development Agency Ltd is to lift Southland’s population by 10,000. The present population is just over 100,000.

The use of “Great South” as a trading name for the Southland Regional Development Agency Ltd, isn’t notably original. About 50 companies on the NZ Companies Register have “Great South” in their name.

The popularity of the title took off when there was much baloney that the Great South Basin off the southern coast was likely to be a new North Sea scale oil field.
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August 30, 2023 2:46pm
- kevn
  
  Jack… Follow the money.
  
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  August 30, 2023 3:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

2021.
BREAKING: CNN reports that shadows can carry COVID-19, advises you should run from it if you have one
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August 30, 2023 3:07pm
- Keith White
  
  “Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? The Shadow knows!”
  
  As for women – Shadow don’t do biology.
  
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  August 30, 2023 3:42pm
kevn

Do no harm…
https://preview.mailerlite.com/r5x8t9b1s1/2292575265903090242/h7h9/
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August 30, 2023 3:44pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Jullian Batchelor.
Late but new, and mostly same as yesterday.
I think there are big issues with the server and security.
DOS attack? There are many who want Stop Co-Governance gone. Free speech? nope, not here!

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/brainwashing-make-no-mistake-they-are-out-to-capture-the-minds-of-our-young-people/
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August 30, 2023 4:07pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Has Aysha Verral ordered disposal of the $158 million worth of expired RATS yet?

Or is the taxpayer STILL on the hook for $250k every month in storage costs?

Seems to have fallen off the radar.
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August 30, 2023 4:18pm
- Ghost
  
  Maybe she’s holding on to them. Friend in Washington state told me before her daughter in law has told her they’ve been told that masks and mandates will be coming back to their federal work place, and they’ve been told lock downs are possible as well
  
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  August 30, 2023 4:23pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Just in time for the next election perhaps?
    
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    August 30, 2023 4:35pm
  - kevn
    
    Ghost…. Straight from the biden playbook. Ramp up the fear again.
    
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    August 30, 2023 5:34pm
    - Ghost
      
      Yeah, new York police have on their cars reminding people to stay 6ft apart
      
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      August 30, 2023 5:47pm
      - kevn
        
        That ‘might’ help the crime rate…
        
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        August 30, 2023 7:49pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Will McCarthy and the GOP nail Biden to the wall, like the Democrats are trying to do to Trump? Game on.

https://libertyonenews.com/mccarthy-indicates-hell-likely-move-forward-with-biden-impeachment-hearings/
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August 30, 2023 4:18pm
NothingLeft

Genius Eric Weinstein discusses meeting Jeffrey Epstein with his usual pithy insights. https://youtu.be/VaoGl-soL1g
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August 30, 2023 4:29pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Sad!

https://billingsreport.com/why-trumps-mugshot-is-a-maga-win-for-trump/
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August 30, 2023 4:42pm
Suze Wainwright

So the NZCTU digital attack billboard campaign on Luxon got launched a week early by mistake and had to be taken down.

It’s kind of like all the panic-driven campaign ‘shooting in the foot’ that happened to National in 2020 is happening to the other team this time around… (it appears Richard Wagstaff was somewhat embarrassed, but nothing to see here, of course).
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August 30, 2023 5:14pm
kevn

Suze… Gives NZer’s the chance to see the only strategy labour has to offer. Nastiness.
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August 30, 2023 5:36pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Here is a lie – unless De Santis goes RINO!!
I don’t think so Tim.

https://therightwingclub.com/realloadednews/desantis-drone-shifts-platform-would-rather-have-biden-in-office-than-trump-if-desantis-loses/
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To be honest I just expect when I open the news there will be a story of a young kid committing a crime

A school was put into lockdown, highways were closed and a sports field was ripped up by a car doing doughnuts during a crime spree allegedly involving culprits as young as 12.

The trio of youngsters are believed to have left a trail of havoc across Christchurch on Wednesday, from Heathcote and Sumner before driving in the wrong lane up the Northern Motorway to Belfast.

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