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NeverMindTheBollocks

It’s raining, a southerly and 8 degrees max in Wellington today.

I am looking forward to these climate maniacs sitting down for their beliefs today.

Because, global warming has to be confronted in all its forms, right?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/08/wellington-police-warn-of-traffic-disruption-from-upcoming-protests.html
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August 28, 2023 8:02am
- Scott
  
  Nevermind – same here in Masterton. It’s 7° which feels like 4°. And it’s going to be -3 tonight. Where is that global boiling when you need it??
  
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  August 28, 2023 10:36am
- rouppe
  
  Nah, they pulled out because of “safety concerns”.
  
  Maybe they were worried they’d catch a cold
  
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  August 28, 2023 12:15pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  ‘Global warming’ causes cold weather, experts say. I sh1t you not…
  https://disasterphilanthropy.org/resources/extreme-cold/#:~:text=There%20is%20a%20direct%20connection,air%20into%20non%2Dtraditional%20areas.
  
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  August 28, 2023 1:04pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    That really oversteps into Newspeak territory
    
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    August 28, 2023 4:15pm
  - John Loveridge
    
    “Ice, snow and extreme cold events may not be the first things that come to mind when considering severe weather. However, they can be just as deadly as extreme heat.”
    
    What!?
    
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    August 28, 2023 4:34pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Er, I think you mean “Global Boiling(™)” don’t you?
  
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  August 29, 2023 10:23am
artemisia

First they came for the farmers. Then they came for the landlords. Now they are coming for the construction workers. Next – public servants (and Bloomberg terminals).

One way flights across the ditch. A growth industry.

Liam Dann in the Herald yesterday (paywalled) – The big issue for the next government will be jobs not grocery prices It’s harrowing to watch the economic data deteriorate, corporate profits shrink and the job market turn against workers.

NBR headline last week Increasing construction firm failures far from peak …BWA Insolvency’s quarterly report shows construction firm failures are up 78% on a year ago
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August 28, 2023 8:02am
- cmm
  
  Jobs are easy to create. It’s much harder to build value.
  
  If we really want more jobs it is easy: build a road with manual labour using nothing more than picks, shovels and buckets. Easy-peasy you’ve employed everyone.
  
  But actually generating something of value is much harder.
  
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  August 28, 2023 9:35am
  - Phronesis
    
    The scary thing is that your road at least has some value. This government putting those thousand people on 100K a year to write regulations that reduce the productivity of the economy is of negative value. They probably cost more to the healthcare system than they would if they were getting some exercise too.
    
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    August 28, 2023 9:55am
  - Matt Long
    
    I remember aunty Helen saying it’s the government that creates jobs as she vacuumed up Hectares of Wellington office space for her hoards of minions.
    These government jobs were actually designed to destroy value in the productive sector.
    
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    August 28, 2023 9:58am
    - mogg
      
      All government $1.00 in = .50 cents out.
      
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      August 28, 2023 1:20pm
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    cmm – think I’d rather see 4 trucks and around 5 people building a road with picks and shovels loading the trucks rather the more common current sight of 4 stationary trucks with flashing lights and 8 bums baby sitting the trucks while one person digs a hole. Suspect the former scenario has a higher productivity factor leading to more future value. 🙂
    
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    August 28, 2023 11:17am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Milton Friedman recalled traveling to an Asian country in the 1960s and visiting a worksite where a new canal was being built. He was shocked to see that, instead of modern tractors and earth movers, the workers had shovels. He asked why there were so few machines. The government bureaucrat explained: “You don’t understand. This is a jobs program.” To which Milton replied:
    
    “Oh, I thought you were trying to build a canal. If it’s jobs you want, then you should give these workers spoons, not shovels.”
    
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    August 28, 2023 12:48pm
  - cmm
    
    Just went for a drive to the beach and went past three different road construction areas.
    
    The last one was typical of the others with at least 4 people:
    * One operating a digger.
    * One half supervising him and half on his phone.
    * Another standing there gazing off into the distance between texts.
    * The last one sitting in a traffic cone truck. apparently snoozing.
    
    4 guys, 1 working. After Fulton & Hogan have clipped the ticket etc they’ll be costing us $80-$100 an hour each. Effective rate $350 for one guy. Costs us more than a surgeon.
    
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    August 28, 2023 1:35pm
    - pdm
      
      cmm – the efficiencies of the old Ministry of Works has rubbed off.
      
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      August 28, 2023 1:46pm
      - cmm
        
        In both cases: who cares it’s just tax/ratepayers’ money.
        
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        August 28, 2023 3:38pm
    - John Loveridge
      
      Seen up and down the country where ever orange cones are arranged in rows. No wonder the country’s productivity is down the toilet hole.
      
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      August 28, 2023 4:36pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  And to think Chippy and Labour actually celebrated Australia making it easier for New Zealanders to get citizenship there, thereby facilitating the flight of our best & brightest.
  
  If that’s their idea of a win, I shudder at the thought of their idea of a loss.
  
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  August 28, 2023 11:22am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    That’s why they are scared of Nat Act coalition,
    
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    August 28, 2023 11:41am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Maybe he figured only NACT voters would go there.
    
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    August 28, 2023 9:29pm
- John Loveridge
  
  That’s the Labour Party, in it for the workers since 1916.
  
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  August 28, 2023 11:38am
Grunter

Down to earth Kiwi blog

Well done Robertson – now officially our worst Finance Minister in our history.

NZ bottom of world rankings economically.

https://www.downtoearth.kiwi/post/new-imf-data-ranks-nz-as-worst-gdp-growth-out-of-159-nations-in-world-along-with-equatorial-guinea
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August 28, 2023 8:02am
- Libertarians are right
  
  But, they said the problems we’re having are the same problems everyone’s having.
  They couldn’t have been lying could they?
  
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  August 28, 2023 9:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If Robertson reads that he will think it is the Babylon Bee.
  
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  August 28, 2023 9:55am
- pdm
  
  `Well done Robertson – now officially our worst Finance Minister in our history.’
  
  Grunter he was on track for that title by Christmas 2017.
  
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  August 28, 2023 10:11am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  NZ – leading the world again.
  
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  August 28, 2023 11:23am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Don’t worry, it’s global
  
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  August 28, 2023 11:41am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Mt Ruapehu has the world’s deepest snow base of 255cm.

And this in the age of global warming.

Is Gaia having a laugh?

https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/08/27/ruapehu-bounces-back-as-skiers-flock-to-the-slopes/
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August 28, 2023 8:03am
- Grunter
  
  Global Boiling! Global Boiling! The snow is the result of Global Boiling……
  
  Imagine being the head of a global government and publically saying that…..and billions of woke westerners actually believed you.
  
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  August 28, 2023 9:34am
  - Taieri
    
    Only 12 hours left to save the Planet!
    
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    August 28, 2023 10:29am
    - John Loveridge
      
      Then-Prince Charles gave us 18 months back in 2019. I wonder if he’s still “firmly” of the same view.
      
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      August 28, 2023 4:39pm
      - Chris Nisbet
        
        Yep, he is, but he’s given us a bit more time. He just cut the ribbon on some new doomsday clock, which gives us until 2030…
        https://www.foxnews.com/world/king-charles-iii-launches-climate-clock-counting-down-2030
        
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        August 28, 2023 6:17pm
- cmm
  
  “Mt Ruapehu has the world’s deepest snow base of 255cm.”
  
  Is this another “world famous in New Zealand” measure?
  
  I doubt very much that 255cm is the deepest in the world.
  
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  August 28, 2023 9:37am
  - muzled
    
    Without reading the article, I assume they mean the deepest of any skifield that is currently open.
    
    It’s like a paid advert that RAL run every few years when they end up with a big base. A few years ago the base was well over 3m, the same headline was released…
    
    But nz media loves a good bit of clickbait…
    
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    August 28, 2023 9:58am
    - Matt Long
      
      16 degrees and no snowfall at Aspen, Global Boiling strikes again, is there no end to the terror?
      Thank God for TVNZ to tell us how it is.
      
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      August 28, 2023 10:03am
      - Matt Long
        
        Incidentally after the coldest August in a long pasture growth rates are very low and feed is running out.
        Cold weather is famine weather.
        
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        August 28, 2023 10:18am
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        @Matt – went for a drive the other day – barest I’ve seen the mid north in late August for years. -1$/kg, no spring feed and a possible dry summer ? Not looking good. 🙁
        
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        August 28, 2023 11:34am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      RAL? You mean the late RAL?
      
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      August 28, 2023 4:14pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  8ft 4in? That is quite a bit of snow.
  2.55 meters.
  
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  August 28, 2023 10:03am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yet last year they went most the season snowless, it’s simply mother nature
  
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  August 28, 2023 11:42am
- kowtow
  
  ‘Is Gaia having a laugh’
  
  Prolly that Tonga volcano putting so much water into the atmosphere .
  
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  August 28, 2023 12:21pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  “Mt Ruapehu has the world’s deepest snow base of 255cm.”
  
  Warning! BS Alert!
  Warning! BS Alert!
  Warning! BS Alert!
  
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  August 28, 2023 6:05pm
- Ghost
  
  I would say it’s probably right, it’s not the worlds deepest of all time, it’s the worlds deepest right now on the ski fields
  
  https://www.skiresort.info/snow-reports/sorted/mountain-snow-depths/
  
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  August 28, 2023 6:11pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    The Northern Hemisphere where most of the ski fields with really deep snow bases are, is presently in various stages of summer.
    
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    August 28, 2023 8:01pm
Warren

The headlines read : Health Crisis Senior Doctors plea for Palmerston North, as staff struggles put safe emergency service at risk.
This week ends the Parliamentry term ends and dispite of all the money that has been poured in to health and education this out of touch Labour Government has no answer on how to fix the problems. They have used what money that was left so they can’t borrow more before the election to cover these major problems up which they would normally do to hide the problem.
Then this on Education ‘ not a pretty future’ : What a dire state of education means for the next generation.
The Government’s problems don’t stop there either with the Prime Minister Chris Hipkins deciding that attack is the best answer in defence with attacks on all the other parties on the right while forgetting that his Coalition of Labour, Green’s and the Maori Party is the most toxic of all in eyes of many voters in New Zealand.
The Prime Minister Chris Hipkins is a hypocrite, out of touch and ideas on how to fix our beautiful Country and will blame anyone except himself for the economic disaster he has left New Zealand in.
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August 28, 2023 8:03am
- Paulus
  
  Money poured into Health is as a result of Health restructuring and highly paid Maori senior staff to run them – which they have no idea how to do.
  
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  August 28, 2023 10:28am
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/renting/132815219/after-a-tenant-refused-to-agree-to-a-flatmate-her-landlord-served-her-notice
So a single person rented a house and after a few weeks, the letting agent requested that she take in an unknown boarder or flatmate.
When she said no, her tenancy was terminated.
Is this a standard practice in the world of renting?
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August 28, 2023 8:06am
- artemisia
  
  According to the article, that’s not what happened.
  
  “… the landlord emailed Stevenson to float the idea of a boarder or flatmate joining her in the property. Stevenson said no, telling her landlord she wanted her own space.”
  
  Then termination notice was given for a legit reason.
  
  The tenant’s application for compensation failed due to timing and lack of evidence.
  
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  August 28, 2023 8:17am
- alloytoo
  
  That depends on the original terms of her lease.
  
  Did she negotiate and pay for exclusive use of the house, or merely a portion?
  
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  August 28, 2023 8:19am
- Benedict Yu
  
  That seems bizarre. If you rent a house to someone, you can’t then insist that they take on a boarder. And why would you even do that?
  
  There is more to this story than comes through in the article. At face value it seems bizarre behaviour by the property owner.
  
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  August 28, 2023 8:24am
  - cmm
    
    There is almost certainly something else going on here.
    
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    August 28, 2023 8:30am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The boarder is a relative of the landlord?
      
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      August 28, 2023 9:09am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    The tenancy contract would be clear in every aspect so there is absolutely more to this than is being written by the gaslight at Stuff.
    
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    August 28, 2023 8:36am
  - artemisia
    
    What insistence? Landlord asked, tenant said no.
    
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    August 28, 2023 9:39am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      It would be odd in the extreme for the landlord to ask such a thing.
      
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      August 28, 2023 9:52am
      - artemisia
        
        Not ‘odd in the extreme’ at all. Landlord was obviously aware of the situation. If there is a shortage of accommodation in the area (and there is) the landlord may have been looking out for both parties.
        
        Didn’t work, end of.
        
        Did notice from the article the tenant talked harassment but the adjudicator said there was no evidence of this.
        
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        August 28, 2023 10:07am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  The linked article explains fairly clearly (unusually for Stuff) what landlords and tenants can and can’t do within the law, and how those requirements were or were not met on either side in this particular case.
  
  As to whether this is something landlords commonly do – I would have thought it unlikely that many landlords would rent out a place that can sleep several to a single tenant in the first place, so this situation probably doesn’t arise very often.
  
  More broadly, the stark fact is that in a seller’s market, the seller is better positioned to do whatever they think is in their own best interest and less obliged to take into account the buyer’s interest. And housing in NZ is a seller’s market, thanks to years of Government and local council policies deliberately designed to make it difficult, to the point of illegal, to build affordable housing where it’s needed. The answer, as it is in many questions related to housing, is both simple and difficult – Stop making it so hard to build new housing.
  
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  August 28, 2023 8:25am
  - artemisia
    
    Actually plenty of landlords would readily rent to a single person who was willing to pay the rent. Regardless of the size of the rental. Less wear and tear for starters.
    
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    August 28, 2023 9:42am
  - Swifty
    
    Nailed it.
    
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    August 28, 2023 9:46am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    ” I would have thought it unlikely that many landlords would rent out a place that can sleep several to a single tenant ”
    
    Nope. Provided that the landlord is confident that the tenant can pay the rent, this is a dream scenario for a property owner. Things less likely to go wrong, one person to deal with, less wear and tear.
    
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    August 28, 2023 9:55am
    - Dudley Quaffquaff
      
      Charging the same, or even nearly as much, as they’d get renting the same place to three people? And there are enough people willing and able to pay rent * 3, to make that a common and worthwhile practice for landlords? Well OK, if you say so, but then that’s two people left still in need of housing, so there is still an urgent but apparently too-hard need to stop making it illegal to build affordable housing where it’s wanted.
      
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      August 28, 2023 10:10am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “Charging the same, or even nearly as much, as they’d get renting the same place to three people?”
        
        The market rent for a property has no relation to the number of tenants occupying the property.
        
        “so there is still an urgent but apparently too-hard need to stop making it illegal to build affordable housing where it’s wanted.”
        
        I don’t know what that means. I am the sole occupant of a house with two bedrooms. Should that be unlawful? I know a couple with two children in a seven bedroom house.
        
        There are many single people occupying 2 and 3 bedroom state houses (usually because their children have grown up and left the house). They used to be moved into one bedroom houses but the current government stopped that.
        
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        August 28, 2023 11:54am
      - zulumonster
        
        My wife and I are only occupying 1 bedroom of 4 in our house … I didn’t realise we were to blame for the housing crisis .. sorry folks.
        
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        August 28, 2023 1:41pm
  - JimBobJoe
    
    It is not highly unusual for a single person to rent a 2 bedroom place… I have done it a few times. Why? Because I liked the location, the price was right and the extra bedroom doubles as an office and place for rellies and mates to stay over when in town…
    
    Landlords judge tenant quality (are you a munter) and can you paid the rent on time, every time. Nothing else comes into it…
    
    Weird comment from you Dudley…
    
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    August 28, 2023 12:09pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Here’s a thing. If the rental can be terminated that quick, why can’t Kainga Ora do the same?
  
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  August 28, 2023 9:13am
  - artemisia
    
    Terminating (periodic) tenancies – used to be 90 days notice and no reason required. Labour changed that, to give tenants more security they said. Currently there are specific reasons required, including by Kainga Ora. Not that KO use them these days.
    
    In this case a specific reason was met, according to the Tenancy Tribunal and the law.
    
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    August 28, 2023 9:36am
  - cmm
    
    The problem is then what to do with them?
    
    The Kindest Government In the World doesn’t like the potential optics of Skid Row Aotearoa edition.
    
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    August 28, 2023 9:41am
  - pdm
    
    Easy answer to that Steve.
    
    A private landlord has a financial interest in the property.
    
    Kainga Ora staff are government lackeys whose only incentive is nesxt pay day.
    
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    August 28, 2023 10:17am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Because the Government has directed KO to not do that. I think that has been covered repeatedly on Kiwiblog.
    
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    August 28, 2023 11:55am
- Matt Long
  
  So, maybe property owner’s relative suddenly needed a place to stay, asked if tenant would accommodate relative, tenant said no, owner then terminated tenancy with proper process, tenant left earlier with shorter notice as tenants are allowed to.
  Law followed all round, tenant obviously a bit peeved but didn’t have a fixed term, so no comebacks.
  
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  August 28, 2023 10:11am
Cassandra

Luxon announced yesterday that National would abolish Maori wards in city councils. A good move in the right direction. There should be no Maori-only anything, just as there should be no European only or the Ku Klux Klan.
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August 28, 2023 8:07am
- kowtow
  
  Well that’s very very encouraging .
  
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  August 28, 2023 9:36am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Absolutely. And people like Kowtow sshould take note of his comments:
  
  Today, when asked about ACT’s policy, National leader Christopher Luxon said his party’s position was that New Zealand was “one country” and a democracy with one person, one vote.
  
  “We’ve opposed [Labour’s law change] through the course of the last Parliament. We don’t believe that that’s fair or democratic.”
  
  The law change he was referring to was the 2021 stripping of a provision which allowed communities to veto Māori wards in a vote.
  
  Asked for clarification, if that meant Māori wards would be repealed under a National government, he said: “That’s been our view and our position”.
  
  https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/08/27/maori-wards-law-repeal-likely-under-national-govt-luxon/
  
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  August 28, 2023 9:37am
  - thirteenstars
    
    “According to law firm Tompkins Wake, in the 20 years to 2021 when the law provided for the establishment of Māori wards constituencies in local government, 24 councils attempted to establish Māori wards, and just three succeeded.
    
    At the 2022 local government elections, 29 local councils and six regional councils had Māori wards.”
    
    That’s the telling bit, right there. The 5% veto was clearly preventing a bunch of increasingly woke councils running roughshod over the popular sentiment.
    
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    August 28, 2023 9:52am
    - Dave
      
      Just in case anyone is misled by ‘The 5% veto…’ the 5% refers to the number needed to get a referendum; opponents still needed a majority to succeed.
      
      And on this topic, I hope all Aucklander KBers have submitted no votes at
      
      https://akhaveyoursay.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/maori-seats
      
      Here is part of my submission:
      
      Māori already have full voting rights, in addition to which IMSB (is this to be abolished if Māori seats are introduced?) members have full voting rights on the influential committees in the ACC (no other ethnic group has such racially specified representation) which drive overall ACC policy affecting everyone. The IMSB itself over-represents mana whenua Auckland Māori disproportionately to the number of the total Māori in Auckland.
      Racial set asides in voting create a divisive racial spoils system responsive to cliques but indifferent to the whole population and local residents – we have seen that with the Tupuna Maunga Authority’s actions.
      This obsession with what the Treaty allegedly said, but didn’t, ignores the passage of time, geographic mobility of NZers, the long history of intermarriage in NZ, privileges a conservative, ethnocentric, semi-religious viewpoint in public policy when NZ is increasingly secular in outlook, and trashes centuries of democratic development away from ancestral rights towards equal rights held by individual citizens.
      
      Edit: two errors (grammar and punctuation) corrected.
      
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      August 28, 2023 11:55am
      - thirteenstars
        
        Good clarification although it appears moot now if an ACT/Nat coalition is formed since Maori wards will be abolished.
        
        Unless I’ve misread National’s position and it is merely to abolish those Maori wards that were not subject to the veto since 2021.
        
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        August 28, 2023 12:39pm
  - Matt Long
    
    That’s great, hopefully we can hold them to it, unlike Key on Maori Seats.
    
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    August 28, 2023 10:13am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Or Peters on a Māori seat referendum
      
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      August 28, 2023 11:47am
    - Steve Todd
      
      @Matt Long @ 10:13AM
      
      National was reckless to say, during the 2011 election campaign, that it would abolish the Māori seats. At that election, National received 59 seats, ACT NZ 1 seat, and United Future 1 seat – a bare majority in a 121-seat House. At that point, John Key extended an olive branch to the Māori Party (3 seats), for his own reasons, and the rest is history. But I don’t blame him for that. Consider the following:
      
      About that time, it would have been explained to him that the Māori seats are effectively entrenched, because the formula used to calculate the number of Māori seats (section 45 of the Electoral Act 1993) is entwined with the formula used to calculate the number of General seats. That formula is set out in section 35 of the Act.
      
      In other words, in order to abolish the Māori seats, the formula pertaining to the calculation of the number of General seats would need to be amended, but section 35 is entrenched (reserved) under section 268 of the Act.
      
      Under section 268(2), reserved provisions can be repealed or amended “[only if] the proposal for the amendment or repeal—
      (a) is passed by a majority of 75% of all the members of the House of Representatives; or
      (b) has been carried by a majority of the valid votes cast at a poll of the electors of the General and Maori electoral districts:”.
      
      In this day and age, no government would set in motion procedures to (presumably hopefully) abolish the Māori seats, particularly under subsection (2)(b), above, without the concurrence of Māori, which, presently, would not be given. To do so, would lead directly to widespread unrest, or worse. Fortunately, John Key was reined in just in time.
      
      As I have said two or three times previously, realistically, the Māori seats will go only when Māori say they can go. Presently, the quotient is 7.23 seats. Only if that quotient falls to 0.50 or less – which would take at least a generation and a rapidly changing Māori mindset to happen – would no Māori seat or seats be required to be established (see sections 45(3)(b) and 45(12) of the Act).
      
      The Māori seats are here for at least the foreseeable future. That is a fact that Kiwiblog commenters simply need to get used to, if not accept.
      
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      August 28, 2023 12:12pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        If that be the case then it’s by far the lesser of evils.
        
        Co-governance–an equal-power partnership relationship between Maori and the Crown–is not a function of Maori seats, but it certainly is a function of Maori wards, racially-selected appointees to boards and committees, and special veto powers for iwi, etc.
        
        Maori seats are certainly an anachronism but a relatively benign one since you can’t be on both the general and Maori roll at the same time.
        
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        August 28, 2023 1:07pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @thirteenstars @ 1:07PM
        
        Maori seats are certainly an anachronism […].
        
        I disagree.
        
        In the ‘Conclusion’ to their paper, “THEORISING REPRESENTATION IN THE MĀORI SEATS – The crucial role of accountability” (published in Mai Journal, Volume 6, Issue 2 (2017)), the authors, Sylvia Nissen [and] Lindsey Te Ata o Tu MacDonald (Ngai Tahu) (both at the University of Canterbury), stated the paper highlighted—
        
        “two key justifications for the Māori seats in particular. First, the Māori seats provide an important avenue for representation given the historical treatment and dispossession of Māori, the continuance of contemporary inequality among Māori, a shared memory of the discrimination, and a conviction of shared political interests in the present. Second, this paper discredited arguments that the seats are not ‘needed’ now that there is proportional representation, as the Māori seats also provide crucial mechanisms of accountability that ensure the fidelity of Māori representatives to their constituencies.”
        
        Another issue that I consider important is the fact that parliamentary seats are calculated on the basis of population, rather than the number of registered electors. That means those Māori on the Māori electoral roll, and their families, constitute the Māori Electoral Population.
        
        If there was no separate Māori roll, and all Māori voted with everyone else, that would adversely affect the number of solely Māori-oriented MPs (for want of a better expression) that would be elected, because the percentage of Māori aged 0 to 17 is greater than it is for non-Māori.
        
        So, even if Māori turnout matched non-Māori turnout at each election – in 2020, turnout in the seven Māori seats was 69.11%, compared to 83.34% in the 65 General seats – Māori would continue to be at a disadvantage in electing Māori candidates to represent their specific views.
        
        So, I, for one, do not regard the Māori seats as an anachronism.
        
        Now, while it can no doubt be argued that the Māori seats are not a “Treaty” issue, per se (in that they were established 27 years after the Treaty was signed), the Treaty principles of ‘active protection’ (of all Māori interests), ‘equity’ and ‘equal treatment’ (among others), are. Under these principles alone, the Māori seats will be with us for as long as Māori want them.
        
        Whether we like it or not, the Treaty principles that have been developed over the last 36 years or so, are also not going away anytime soon. That is something else that Kiwiblog commenters need to get used to.
        
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        August 28, 2023 2:32pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Wow
        What a lot of bullshit
        I thought this part was hilarious
        ‘a shared memory of the discrimination’
        Talk about grievance mongering
        BTW- I’m Ngapuhi. Its a bit tiresome you white people telling us what we have to have.
        And you realise that Maori have different opinions?
        We might all look the same to you but we are different.
        Our Representatives don’t have to be exclusively Maori.
        
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        August 28, 2023 4:00pm
  - John Loveridge
    
    Some time ago I emailed Luxon, the party president, and my local candidate, stating that getting rid of co-governance is my absolute bottom line. Without a definitive statement on the matter they would not get my vote, period. A few acquaintances did likewise (we were discussing it amongst ourselves). Lately there has been the Hobson’s Pledge campaign on similar lines. I wonder if there has been pressure like this coming in from all sides to influence Luxon’s statements.
    
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    August 28, 2023 4:49pm
    - Ghost
      
      Luxon has been saying it for a while, people just don’t listen
      
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      August 28, 2023 4:58pm
      - John Loveridge
        
        He needs to be much clearer about it.
        
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        August 28, 2023 8:46pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  That is now policy, but he always stated one person one vote
  
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  August 28, 2023 11:45am
Maggie Pie

We had a fab weekend at the beach. I’d hoped to get a sleep-in yesterday….

https://twitter.com/grandoldmemes/status/1694887814649843716
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August 28, 2023 8:12am
- pdm
  
  you and Mr Maggie Pie look a very nice, happy couple in that photo.
  
  Obviously no tennis that morning.
  
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  August 28, 2023 8:18am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    That’s not really us, silly! It’s just a stock shot 😀
    
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    August 28, 2023 8:23am
    - Biscuit
      
      Explaining is losing, Maggie!
      
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      August 28, 2023 8:36am
    - pdm
      
      Even I worked that out maggie.
      
      Note to self – more work needed on humerous comments.
      
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      August 28, 2023 10:21am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Some great memes there!
      
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      August 28, 2023 6:07pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  And miss church?
  
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  August 28, 2023 8:18am
  - Steve Todd
    
    Heh, heh. Maggie doesn’t go to church, info. She goes to mass. Big difference.
    
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    August 28, 2023 3:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  So, what was the tweet?
  
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  August 28, 2023 8:25am
- redeye
  
  From that thread
  https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1695595302554935476
  
  Trump has raised a whopping $7.1 million since his mugshot was released by the Fulton County jail.
  
  Imagine thinking you finally humiliated Trump and then he immediately raises $7M.
  
  The massive fundraising haul was fueled by mugshot merchandise.
  
  The Trump campaign also set a personal record by raising $4.18 million in a 24-hour period, the most ever for his campaign.
  
  Talk about a backfire.
  
  When it comes to Trump I’m neither a hater or a fan. Just an interested and entertained audience member.
  
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  August 28, 2023 8:58am
  - cmm
    
    I wouldn’t call myself a Trump fan either, but I do think the swamp needs a good kick in the nuts.
    
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    August 28, 2023 9:43am
    - Prince
      
      Same here.
      You look at the Media fuss about Trump, the Democrats’ obsession with him, and you wonder why they bother ?
      Then you look at Biden, and you understand.
      
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      August 28, 2023 9:51am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The swamp is very big, built up over maybe 6 decades.
      That was Trump’s mistake in 2016. He underestimated it in a big way.
      Running a Country and draining the swamp is a big job.
      
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      August 28, 2023 10:09am
    - Paulus
      
      Correct a good kick, but remember the USA is very corrupt country particularly Politically which is this is all about, and Financially and Socially.
      I have worked with a number of large US Companies some yeas ago, and the internals at top that go on are phenomenal.
      If you don’t like it get the Law changed, always some Judge to do it for you, especially if it is from a Non US Company – it is always about Money and Power,
      
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      August 28, 2023 10:38am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Dems especially will do anything to keep their corruption.
        Trump will destroy that this time.
        
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        August 28, 2023 11:21am
  - virtualmark
    
    Fools and their money …
    
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    August 28, 2023 9:51am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Want a Trump mugshot tee shirt?
      Only US$35 plus shipping.
      
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      August 28, 2023 10:11am
      - virtualmark
        
        Steve, for that amount of money you could get a pretty reasonable bottle of Scotch. Far better use of your dollars.
        
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        August 28, 2023 2:50pm
kiwikidsnz

Damien Grant

https://i.stuff.co.nz/authors/damien-grant/300957967/when-te-pti-mori-tell-us-what-they-stand-for-we-should-believe-them
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August 28, 2023 8:23am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….

‘For the third year in a row, New Zealand shares the title as the least corrupt country in the world’.

– Transperancy International

https://twitter.com/mikeall84403276/status/1695045254322463209
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August 28, 2023 8:34am
- bjools
  
  Lefties…no surprises there.
  Didn’t Annette Kings partner get a contract at Hawkes Bay DHB, when she was Minister of Health.
  
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  August 28, 2023 8:38am
  - pdm
    
    Sure did bjools.
    
    Not very popular anywhere in the hospital or community as i recall.
    
    Her first husband, now known as Patrice (I think) was living in Hastings at the same time.
    
    We were inundated.
    
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    August 28, 2023 10:25am
- Grunter
  
  Socialism only works with chronic corruption. Using other peoples money to pay the elites.
  
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  August 28, 2023 8:46am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  A sad commentary on the state of the rest of the world.
  
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  August 28, 2023 8:47am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Did the article say how much we had to pay for that honour?
  
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  August 28, 2023 8:57am
- kowtow
  
  How much was “Transparency” international paid?
  
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  August 28, 2023 8:58am
- cmm
  
  NZ taxpayers do indeed support Transparency International.
  
  IIRC, it is not the Corruption Index, but the Corruption Perception Index.
  
  ie It isn’t that NZ is not corrupt, but Kiwis believe NZ is not corrupt. Big difference.
  
  ie. We are naive and have far too much trust in government.
  
  A lot of the trust is an inevitable result of a small country.
  
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  August 28, 2023 9:55am
- John Loveridge
  
  How long will that last under co-governance?
  
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  August 28, 2023 12:00pm
Observer of Life

I sent an email to all my local candidates, via the Hobsons Pledge website (auto email), about the importance of democracy, co-governance etc, and this is the reply I got from my local ACT candidate. This reply alone has confirmed why I’ll be party voting ACT again this year.

“Thank you for your email.
We’re as worried as you are about the division this Government has introduced with its co-governance agenda.
That’s why ACT has been the leading party on this issue. For example, we exposed He Puapua – developed under a NZ First-Labour Government – by bringing it to Parliament and demanding answers. We’ve held the Government accountable, but being against isn’t enough. We’ve also shown a better way forward.
Our paper ‘Democracy or Co-Government’ sets out that way forward in detail. The basics are:
• One person, one vote. No race-based laws. ACT will repeal divisive race-based policies like Three Waters and the Māori Health Authority.
• The public service will be directed to prioritise support by need, not race. It should use data properly to target the people who really need help, instead of lazy racial profiling.
• The principles of the Treaty will be defined as what the text of the Treaty actually says: we all have the same rights and duties. This last part is critical, because it removes the other side’s argument that the Treaty justifies discrimination.
If you get those things right, then it becomes obvious road signs and government department names should be written in the language all people understand. (We notice Labour don’t put their billboards in Māori first then English underneath when they’re fishing for votes).
Only ACT is committed to ending co-government, and only ACT has a detailed plan to actually do it. We hope you’ll do your bit to get real change by giving your Party Vote to ACT.
Yours sincerely,…..”

To date nothing from our local National member, which doesn’t surprise one bit.
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August 28, 2023 8:36am
- pdm
  
  No reply from any Tukituki candidate so far.
  
  I sent the email Monday or Tuesday last week so still time I suppose.
  
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  August 28, 2023 10:27am
- Notsofast
  
  Chris Hipkins uses the correct name, The Maori Party. No one should play along with the fake new words.
  
  There should be proper scholarship to present the original spoken language to children, that would garner the respect of all New Zealanders.
  
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  August 28, 2023 10:59am
  - John Loveridge
    
    Te Pati sounds silly. I wonder if they have te cake and te sausage rolls at te pati.
    
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    August 28, 2023 4:51pm
Observer of Life

Follow up… how true is this comment “ We notice Labour don’t put their billboards in Māori first then English underneath when they’re fishing for votes.”.
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August 28, 2023 8:40am
WaynelSexton

If New Zealand was smart it would join BRICS.
BRICS have all the resources and all the consumers.
https://www.rt.com/business/581812-expanded-brics-global-economy/
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August 28, 2023 8:41am
- kowtow
  
  You left out the “sarc” thingy .
  
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  August 28, 2023 9:39am
- All_on_Red
  
  Well of course Russia Today would say that.
  I see that quite a few Countries on that list hate each other.
  How is that going to work out?
  
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  August 28, 2023 9:40am
- Lance
  
  Such a wonderful bunch of countries to admire
  //
  
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  August 28, 2023 9:41am
- Grunter
  
  How NZ plays the global game over the next decade will be crucial to us thriving as a trading nation. Our largest trading country of course is leading BRICS (China). Arguably our biggest opportunity is India. And now that Saudi Arabia is joining, our largest oil supplier also in BRICS.
  Aust & US also key trading relationships, so we can not afford to piss them off.
  
  I believe we need to position ourselves as neutral as possible. Taking sides isn’t necessary and has more downside than upside.
  
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  August 28, 2023 9:45am
  - cmm
    
    “Aust & US also key trading relationships, so we can not afford to piss them off.”
    
    There’s a saying in Afrikaans that basically translates to: If you try to ride the fence you’ll get a fence post up your arse.
    
    I don’t think that we’ll see a move towards BRICS because too many of the highly connected people are connected to the USA.
    
    Cindy wouldn’t want to get dumped from her shiny new job and go bang on the door at Moscow University.
    
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    August 28, 2023 10:01am
Swifty

Not a coincidence surely…..

https://twitter.com/NZkiwifreak/status/1695673202759090451/photo/1

Hahahahahahahaha!
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August 28, 2023 8:47am
BeaB

What a nasty little man Chris Hipkins is. The media have done their best to portray him as a cute younger brother with his sausage rolls. But he is a deeply ambitious politician determined to hold on to power at all costs. He will stop at nothing as we are already seeing.
This horrible little man was Jacinda’s closest colleague, along with Grant Robertson. They bear full responsibility for everything that happened and for their record of incompetence and non-delivery.
It amazes me anyone still puts any credence at all in what Labour has to say. Just look at their record.
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August 28, 2023 8:52am
- John Loveridge
  
  That horrible little man did some quite vindictive things prior to becoming PM (ask Charlotte Bellis, for example). Why he would change for the better having been handed the poisoned chalice is beyond my comprehension.
  
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  August 28, 2023 12:02pm
kevn

Like pigs in a trough aren’t they?
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August 28, 2023 8:54am
Grunter

With the Napolean Movie coming out in a few months, I’ve done some reading up on the little tyrant… He was a mixture of very good and very bad (IMO).

Here’s one of his better observations:
Napoleon on Equality: “Equality exists only in theory. No man-made political programs can reverse the innate inequality of nature. Social law can give all men equal rights. Nature will never give them equal faculties.”
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August 28, 2023 8:54am
RoboRob

Omg I don’t know if I can take this anymore. Just heard a political reporter discuss NZF and how liberal national voters might be concerned about a hard right alliance with Winston Peters.

WTF, NZF dragging National to right, its 2017 all over again.

It is amazing that Peters has these people to roll out and that people still treat them as serious.
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August 28, 2023 9:05am
- graham
  
  Personally, I’m more concerned about Labour teaming up with the left-wing extremists in the Green Party and the Maori Party.
  
  Some of those members are so far left they’re off the scale.
  
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  August 28, 2023 10:29am
  - RoboRob
    
    Dont get me wrong, I am terrified of a Labour, Green & maori government.
    
    I’m just tired of the Winston crew rolling this obvious fake line out.
    
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    August 28, 2023 10:56am
  - John Loveridge
    
    I’d rather a government involving National in bed with Winston Peters than one that included Labour and the truly heinous Maori Party.
    
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    August 28, 2023 12:05pm
- AitchW
  
  I guess the best way to avoid such an Alliance is to give your party vote to Nat/ACT. If you do that and we do (God forbid) end up with a Nat/Act/NZF government then at least you command the moral high ground…
  In reality I can’t see such a cluster of a government.
  I would hope that Luxon would rather stay in opposition and let Peters, Chippie and the co-leaders of the other 2 parties tear each other apart in government than go into coaltion with Peters.
  
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  August 28, 2023 2:15pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/want-a-deep-delve-into-the-iwi-elite-mind-and-how-they-think-about-co-governance-then-read-this/

Bill Hamilton. Treaty educator.
“Co-governance has become a hot political issue leading into this election. Opposition to co-governance is fuelled by racism, ignorance and fear. And it continues the colonising which asserts European superiority over Indigenous peoples.”

Wrong Bill. You and people like you are the racists, but very one eyed racists.
Protesters turning up to Stop Co-Governance PRIVATE meetings are there not to protest, but to disrupt. They have no argument, nothing to say, so they start the racist shit – knowing the Police will not touch them.
Btw Bill, when Julian does not tell the Police the venue of the PRIVATE meeting, no protesters turn up. Explain that please.
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August 28, 2023 9:06am
- Cassandra
  
  Orwellian. Opposing racism means you’re a racist. Interesting that the NZ Initiative plan for NZ has no mention of the ToW, but avism or co-governance. I assume Hartwich has decided to avoid the topic because to raise it is to risk the racist label bizarrely.
  
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  August 28, 2023 9:12am
- graham
  
  Bill Hamilton. Treaty educator.
  “Co-governance has become a hot political issue leading into this election. Opposition to co-governance is fuelled by racism, ignorance and fear. And it continues the colonising which asserts European superiority over Indigenous peoples.”
  
  Ahem. I’m guessing Mr Hamilton is unaware of this claim from none other than Te Pati Maori:
  
  It is a known fact that Māori genetic makeup is stronger than others.
  
  This was on the Maori Party’s website – specifically, on their “Sports” page – until late 2022, when it was quietly removed (a short while after David Seymour brought it to everyone’s attention, funnily enough). That statement which asserts Māori superiority over everybody else is no longer present on their website; but the Internet never forgets.
  
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  August 28, 2023 9:38am
- John Loveridge
  
  That is the lazy argument they trot out by default. It’s pitiful.
  
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  August 28, 2023 12:08pm
JJ56

An overnight reflection on Hipkins’ rule-in rule-out announcement yesterday –

At last a stabilising influence on Labour.
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August 28, 2023 9:12am
nathie

OMG where’s Kerre?

Who is this highly opinionated total dropkick on ZB this morning?!!

Sheesh gonna change the station …
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August 28, 2023 9:13am
- Tony Stuart
  
  John McDonald from the former Socialist Republic of Sydenham, aka Christchurch
  
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  August 28, 2023 9:39am
  - nathie
    
    Spooky he sounds like he’s imitating Hosking (almost thought it was for a moment) and even uses his mannerisms!
    
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    August 28, 2023 9:43am
    - Inandout
      
      nath, I first thought Hosking was carrying over for a while until Kerre arrived but soon realised this guy aint no Hosking. He is further left than the afternoon duo.
      
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      August 28, 2023 10:25am
  - Tricati
    
    We have the pratt on every Monday to Friday here in Christchurch and I gave up listening to his biased BS ages ago.
    They got rid of Chris Lynch not long after he called out Ardern for fibbing over the Claire Curran debacle, and she refused to come back on ZB in Christchurch.
    
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    August 28, 2023 9:58am
    - John Loveridge
      
      Chris Lynch is doing OK, I’m pleased to note.
      
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      August 28, 2023 12:10pm
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/christchurch/canterbury-mornings-with-john-macdonald/opinion/john-macdonald-nz-first-what-should-christopher-luxon-do/
      
      Pity zb can’t keep “the pratt” localised ….
      
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      August 28, 2023 1:20pm
    - AitchW
      
      Pfft, she refused to go back on Hosking’s show too, but only because he asked her hard questions… Funnily enough he’s still there..
      
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      August 28, 2023 2:31pm
Nickc2

So Hipkins won’t work with Peters?
If there was a truckload of Dead Rats standing between Hipkins and being in power, Hipkins would be standing alongside the truck complete with knife, fork, and ketchup.
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August 28, 2023 9:16am
- BeaB
  
  Well said. You are quite right. Look how they all fawned over him as though he was their favourite uncle. It wasn’t only Jacinda who licked his boots. So did Hipkins and Robertson – and the rest of them.
  All that matters to them is power.
  
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  August 28, 2023 9:32am
  - mogg
    
    Now NZF are ‘divisive, anti-trans, and fear mongering’ according to Hipkins, I see this as an admission that Labour know that they are losing votes to NZF and are trying to stem the flow.
    Yesterday Even the Greens were sneering at Labour’s big government bureaucracy and lack of achievement. After all the advantages of six years in government Labour are struggling for relevance because they have nothing done, they truly are desperados.
    
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    August 28, 2023 10:38am
    - AitchW
      
      The Greens are donkey deep in Labour’s incompetence, FGS there are Green MPs in Labour’s cabinet!
      It’s a bit rich of them to distance themselves now!
      
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      August 28, 2023 2:34pm
- nathie
  
  So true – the team of $55+ will pretend the dead rats are sausage rolls to mislead voters.
  
  Labour will do anything to retain power including working with NZF!
  
  BP Paints drumroll ….. Trust Hipkins? Sure can’t!
  
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  August 28, 2023 9:40am
  - Jimbo666
    
    Wasn’t that advertisement fronted by the late Sir Rolf Harris?
    
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    August 28, 2023 11:36am
- Paulus
  
  Didn’t Winston say a few weeks ago that he would not ally himself with Labour ?
  Chippy is a little late —- again.
  
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  August 28, 2023 10:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  As I said yesterday – this boy tells lies!
  
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  August 28, 2023 10:45am
- jon
  
  Nickc2, agree. Of interest and concern is Hipkins intention to embrace the far left Greens and the racist TPM party in a coalition with Labour. There appears to be little comment on the dangers of such a pact thus far this morning.
  
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  August 28, 2023 10:58am
Dave

And it continues the ~~colonising which asserts European superiority over Indigenous peoples.~~democratising which asserts that voting rights belong equally to individual citizens, regardless of ancestry.

Edit: that should have been a reply to Steve @ 9.06
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August 28, 2023 9:32am
Taieri

Bill Hamilton. Treaty educator.
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Bill Hamilton. What a proud Indigenous name. Indigenous to somewhere of course, although not necessarily to Aotearoa. So what is the ratio of the European racist coloniser to an Indigenous oppressed victim contained within Bill? And which part prevails?
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August 28, 2023 9:33am
- Dave
  
  Perhaps he should change his name to Wiremu Kirikiriroa.
  
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  August 28, 2023 10:09am
All_on_Red

Its surprising how many people are unaware of how inaccurate the Temperature readings being taken around the world are.
They use Mercury Thermometers inside a White painted Slatted Box on Stilts called a Stevenson Screen invented in 1864.
Even NIWA still uses this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevenson_screen
Here’s a picture of the Mercury Thermometers inside. That’s right. Mercury Thermometers not Digital.
https://media.sciencephoto.com/image/e1800215/800wm/E1800215-Thermometers_in_Stevenson_Screen.jpg
The margin of error is significant when reading these. Let alone the issues of UHIE.
The US is the only place to have upgraded their system with 114 Digital stations (USCRN) well sited away from Urban Heat Island Effect influences.
Brochure on the CRN
https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/pub/data/uscrn/publications/brochures/CRN_Brochure.pdf
Here’s the Data;
https://wattsupwiththat.com/u-s-surface-temperature/
The US Climate Reference Network record from 2005 shows no obvious warming during this period. The graph above is created monthly by NOAA.
So the most accurate measurement shows no obvious warming.
Yet we spend Billions and cause financial hardship, all on the basis of inaccurate measurements.
The Deceit by Omission from our complicit MSM is criminal.
And of course Useful Idiots with their advocacy like Mr Mapp don’t help either.
Why do these liars want to damage our lives so much?
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August 28, 2023 9:59am
- cmm
  
  That’s the least of it.
  The Stevenson screens were erected in the middle of lawns – well away from buildings. Now they’re surrounded by asphalt parking areas and airconditioning units. Is anyone surprised they now have different readings?
  
  Many of the longer running measurements are from airports (they’ve always needed temperature to calculate take off weight etc). Airports started off as grass strips with the occasional small prop plane. Now they are acres of asphalt and concrete with airconditioned buildings and massive jets both belching heat.
  
  Most screens are placed in cities. Of course the environment around these has changed massively in the last few decades.
  
  https://www.metservice.com/maps-radar/weather-stations/nz
  
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  August 28, 2023 10:19am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Remember that ‘Heatwave’ in the UK last year?
    The Screen involved was next to a Taxiway at Heathrow Airport surrounded by Tarmac and next to row and rows of Brick Housing!
    Do you think heated tarmac, bricks and exhaust wash might cause some warming?
    Faaark
    And the sheeple believe it.
    
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    August 28, 2023 10:25am
- Taieri
  
  Its surprising how many people are unaware of how inaccurate the Temperature readings being taken around the world are.
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  On ships at sea the air temperature is still taken from the alcohol thermometers located on the shaded side of the bridge and the sea water temperature is taken using hand held digital infrared thermometers pointed at the circle marked on a sea water pipe.
  
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  August 28, 2023 10:35am
- Grunter
  
  All part of the climate scam. This thing has so many holes in it yet the useful idiots keeps singing the same song. And why would that be….?
  
  We need a global existential threat that gives us a reason to create an unelected global govt to control the masses…..
  
  Conspiracy theory?? It’s happening right now, right in front of your eyes if you aren’t distracted by the shinny objects to the left and to the right.
  
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  August 28, 2023 10:51am
- NothingLeft
  
  Argo ocean temp data is very high quality, with global coverage. It shows a lot of heat being pushed into oceans from atmosphere. Something like 0.1-0.2°C/century over 4km global average ocean depth, though thermogeddonists don’t like reporting that number as isn’t scary enough for propaganda purposes, and ultimately it prevents long term rapid increases in global air temps – the ocean ‘clamps’ it.
  
  Also shows up as sea water thermal expansion (thermosteric) sea level rise.
  
  Basically can’t argue that warming is occurring, the data is solid on that. Whether it is a cause for concern is open to interpretation – I tend to think not.
  
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  August 28, 2023 12:10pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    There are less than 4000 Argo Buoys to cover 361 million sq Kms of Ocean.
    Please don’t talk about ‘global’ coverage.
    There is a lot of colouring in going on in those nice pretty pictures of Temps worldwide.
    Global Warming is currently .75-1.05 C per Century which could be regarded as benign.
    
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    August 28, 2023 12:32pm
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      “There is a lot of colouring in going on in those nice pretty pictures of Temps worldwide.”
      Nice example of this from across the ditch this morning 🙂
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/aug/27/south-east-australia-marine-heatwave-forecast-to-be-literally-off-the-scale
      Opening paragraphs:
      “Australia’s south-east could be in for a marine heatwave that is literally off the scale, raising the prospect of significant losses in fishing and aquaculture.
      
      The Bureau of Meteorology has forecast a patch of the Tasman Sea off Tasmania and Victoria could be at least 2.5C above average from September to February, and it could get hotter.”
      
      Seem to be a few “coulds” in there ……
      Now to closing comment:
      “This article was amended on 27 August 2023 to remove speculation about offshore wind farms and seismic blasting.”
      
      Wonder if at some later date the article will be amended again due to earlier “speculation” …..
      
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      August 28, 2023 1:03pm
Maggie Pie

Has National catergorically stated it will NOT work with Te-Maori-Pardy?

Well we better hope so 🙁 . I see where Rawiri wants to change the official name of New Zealand to ‘Aotearoa’, and restore Te Reo Maori names for ALL towns, cities, & streets……by 2026!!

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/468391/petition-to-officially-name-country-aotearoa-delivered-to-parliament

(My partners mum drew this to my attention. She reckons it’s just another thing we can thank Ardern for in stuffing up the country in the last 6 years)
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August 28, 2023 10:10am
- Ghost
  
  Luxon ruled Māori party out a long time ago
  
  Article
  
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  August 28, 2023 10:15am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    PHEW! thx G.
    
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    August 28, 2023 10:31am
- graham
  
  When the media and the Labour/Greens/Maori Parties start gas-lighting us about National and ACT being “hard-right”, it’s worth taking a few minutes to reflect on just how extreme and far-left some of the members of the Coalition of Chaos are.
  
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  August 28, 2023 10:33am
- Taieri
  
  restore Te Reo Maori names for ALL towns, cities, & streets……by 2026
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  Restore? But all cities, towns and streets are colonial constructs.
  
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  August 28, 2023 10:37am
  - Cassandra
    
    Streets built as soon as they got back from Antarctica. Then towns then cities than Captain Tasman. You gotta know your history.
    
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    August 28, 2023 12:04pm
    - John Loveridge
      
      Of course those streets were lined with traditional earthquake-proof Maori skyscrapers built out of laminated pine beams and mortise-and-tenon joints. No colonial nails.
      
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      August 28, 2023 4:56pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I feel sorry for these folk. A new subdivision. The local Iwi is insisting that a street is named “Papakangahorohoro Road”.
    
    This is crazy. No it has nothing to do with the Maori language. An English language street name that long would be just as crazy. It has serious problems. Imagine phoning emergency services and advising the address 🙁
    
    Anyway I expect it will stand.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/bay-of-plenty/300956914/homeowners-oppose-street-name-chosen-by-iwi-saying-the-17letter-name-is-too-long#:~:text=Papakangahorohoro%20Road%20was%20proposed%20as,Council%20consulted%20with%20local%20iwi.
    
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    August 28, 2023 2:28pm
    - nova
      
      Karangahape Road in Auckland is widely known as K Rd, perhaps this could become P Rd? But that might be confusing for a different reason, punters looking for their meth fix might become angry when they couldn’t find what they were looking for!
      
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      August 28, 2023 3:32pm
    - John Loveridge
      
      It has a lot more to do with hubris, ego, and domination than any link to to the traditional use of the area.
      
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      August 28, 2023 4:58pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I would embrace changing the name of New Zealand to Aotearoa if it was supported by an absolute majority at a referendum.
  
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  August 28, 2023 2:10pm
  - kowtow
    
    I’d accept it , embrace ?
    
    Never.
    
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    August 28, 2023 2:52pm
Ian Boag

The health system is definitely a mess.

There seems to be a feeling here on KB that Labour throwing more money at it has not fixed things. Hard to argue with that.

Health is about $20bn per year. If efficiencies are going to come from carving out middle management positions (hard to argue with that too) ….. then

Costing these out at average of $150k each (a wild guess) then every 7 disestablished will save $1m. Trashing 7000 of them would save a billion – or 5% of the current budget. Somehow it seems hard to imagine that a 5% cost reduction will generate a sea change in the system.

Anyway 7000 might be a bit aspirational. Ditto for sorting the health system without spending more money.

Must be time someone drafted Tony Ryall ….
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August 28, 2023 10:22am
- Taieri
  
  Somehow it seems hard to imagine that a 5% cost reduction will generate a sea change in the system.
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  Conversely a hypothetical 5% cost increase of administration/management will also not make a dent in the system. A very strange logic, Ian…
  
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  August 28, 2023 10:40am
  - Ian Boag
    
    I’m not suggesting that admin costs be increased. I go along with the notion that they should be decreased.
    
    Just I don’t see how service levels can be significantly increased without spending more money on the services (mainly people) and I doubt that gutting out middle management will generate enough savings to fund it ….
    
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    August 28, 2023 10:48am
- Paulus
  
  I believe that Shane Reti will do an excellent job.
  
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  August 28, 2023 10:46am
  - Ian Boag
    
    His track record suggests he will likely be a really good minister. No problem with that.
    
    But I don’t see how the supply-of-people-related problems in the health system will be fixed quickly and/or at a lower cost.
    
    Open to suggestions about some specific things that could sort things out ….
    
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    August 28, 2023 11:36am
    - wsk12345
      
      The lost $1.9 billion that went to mental health but produced zero extra beds or nurses…. I suspect that isn’t an isolated incident. You don’t have to find too many of those to find real money.
      
      Also if you get rid of some of the massively increased “management” part of health, the docs and nurses will magically have more time to do their jobs instead of going to cultural training, filling in useless forms or team building…cost per op falls considerably.
      
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      August 28, 2023 11:55am
      - Ian Boag
        
        The 1.9 bn saga is not as simple as “lost beds” –
        
        What happened to the $1.9 billion to improve mental health services?
        
        [Mod – fixed link, was going to a broken page]
        
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        August 28, 2023 2:05pm
      - Nickc2
        
        1. Where did the Money go?
        2. Who Signed off on it?
        3. Has the matter been referred to to Auditor General?
        4. Has the matter been referred to the Police?
        5. If the answer to (3) or (4), is no, why not?
        
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        August 28, 2023 2:11pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        You could always research it a bit … the report I linked to was written by a clinical psychologist who seemed (to me) to know what he was on about.
        
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        August 28, 2023 2:49pm
      - Paulus
        
        Why is Mental Health exploding exponentially.
        Why will nobody says so and why ?
        
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        August 28, 2023 3:48pm
- cmm
  
  “Health is about $20bn per year. ”
  
  Unfortunately parties of both stripes mainly measure their accomplishments in terms of expenditure, so there is little desire to reduce spending.
  
  The medical industry has little interest in reducing costs. Every new fancy treatment and machine costs more and, of course, we MUST have them because nobody likes asking the big question: how much is a day/week/month of someone’s life worth?
  
  As a result, we can only expect medical costs to increase – particularly as our population gets older, fatter, and, generally, less healthy while simultaneously demanding more and more. Things like hip operations are now routine. How did we get there?
  
  At some stage we will need to reduce this spending and tell people that they have exceeded their budget. I don’t know how we’re going to make that work.
  
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  August 28, 2023 11:31am
  - Ian Boag
    
    we MUST have them because nobody likes asking the big question: how much is a day/week/month of someone’s life worth?
    
    The cancer drugs are perhaps the best example of this. The likes of keytruda prolong life (not a cure) at an annual cost of some hundreds of k$.
    
    I’m quite relaxed about limited access to this stuff as a cost-saving measure provided that there is recognition that special cases (the likes of me) get special consideration. 🙂
    
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    August 28, 2023 12:28pm
- wsk12345
  
  Youve clearly never heard of total cost of employment. It is multiples of the persons salary, used to be 3x when I was working in consulting. I imagine figures vary by industry.
  
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  August 28, 2023 11:52am
  - Ian Boag
    
    OK – we get the billion (5%) by firing just (!) 2500 managers. Sounds much easier.
    
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    August 28, 2023 12:31pm
    - Phronesis
      
      That Billion dollars could be spent by doubling the pay of every senior medical doctor in the Public system. This would put us a wee bit ahead of Australia and solve our staffing issues overnight.
      
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      August 28, 2023 1:03pm
sirknz

Next stop is the Central Bank Digital Currency

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/132813450/worldline-develops-technology-that-will-allow-eftpos-users-to-pay-contactless

Nothing good comes from this.
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August 28, 2023 10:25am
- Taieri
  
  Next stop is the Central Bank Digital Currency
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  Our currency is already pretty much digital and ultimately controlled by the central bank (Reserve Bank). Cash transactions are a very minor part of the total.
  
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  August 28, 2023 10:42am
  - Grunter
    
    Taieri – you missed the crucial point from sirknz post….
    
    CBDC’s are ‘programmable’. That means the govt can (and will) put rules in place on how and when you can spend them.
    
    For example, ….”We calculated that your carbon footprint last month exceeded the national allowance for a cis white male with no children living at home. Therefore we have stopped all further transactions for fossil fuels, meat and international travel. These restrictions will be withdrawn when you comply with the Global Boiling targets”
    
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    August 28, 2023 11:01am
    - Taieri
      
      Point taken. I’m aware of the potential theoretical dangers. However, monitoring and controlling each and every item on every transaction is just not feasible. There’s simply no computer power that would be sufficient to process it all. At present even the commercial banks do not have an instant processing facility as evidenced by the “payment pending” entries in my Mastercard account, and which by the way do not itemise my expenditure recording only the amounts and the names of payees. Another aspect of this whole business, how would commercial banks react to CBDC? After all, it would negate any rationale for their very existence; would their owners just take it like that?
      Personally speaking, I don’t use cash at all, mostly because of convenience, having said which, I’m still in favour of retaining cash as the means of payment.
      
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      August 28, 2023 12:11pm
      - kevn
        
        I like to pay small amounts in cash, the recipient has the choice.
        
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        August 28, 2023 12:59pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I was in Japan earlier this year. Electronic payments are (unsurprisingly) a very big thing there, but so too is cash.
  I have no problem making electronic payments easier, but we must keep cash because I think the threats of a social credit type system being inflicted on us are very real. I can imagine politicians salivating at the thought of them.
  Maybe what we need to do to keep cash around is to make sure we keep using it. Personally speaking, I rarely use cash nowadays, but I wouldn’t be happy if it wasn’t an option.
  
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  August 28, 2023 11:18am
  - H. Upmann
    
    CN: I have deliberately gone back to using cash as often as possible. The probility of a totalitarian social credit system of monitoring is too real.
    
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    August 28, 2023 11:37am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Neighbour took part in the Daffodil Day Cancer Society fund raiser last Friday where you sit on a stall at a large supermarket or whatever, and encourage passers-by to make a donation or buy some form of Cancer Society marketing goods.
    Said roughly half of the possible donors said they had no cash so couldn’t contribute.
    
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    August 28, 2023 11:55am
    - Taieri
      
      Said roughly half of the possible donors said they had no cash so couldn’t contribute.
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      I had a door knocker around this morning. Asking for a contribution to a cause I’d normally support if a donation tin was waved in the front of my face. But no, nowadays one is expected to set up a regular debit for donations, which is a form of a moral blackmail and which, I refuse to participate in.
      
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      August 28, 2023 12:16pm
      - Jack5
        
        Gravelroad’s “… roughly half of the possible donors said they had no cash so couldn’t contribute … ”
        
        Mobile eftpos machines are for hire at the link below. It’s surprising how few charity collectors use them.
        
        A bigger problem for charities is the plethora of organisations, many of them international, that are collecting.
        
        This leads to donation fatigue, especially to the pleasant young Wwoofers (see second link below). Typically they are collecting on commission for some international Woke outfit.
        
        Hiring an eftpos machine:
        
        https://eftpos.co.nz/short-term-eftpos
        
        The Wwoofers:
        
        https://wwoof.nz/how-it-works/
        
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        August 28, 2023 11:09pm
Maggie Pie

The HORRID reporting there are currently 48 people free on ‘Electronically-Monitored-Bail’ (EMB) accused of Homicide!!

Would that include Remuera eye surgeon Philip Polkinghorne who has been accused of murdering his wife?

Asking for a few friends in the area.
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August 28, 2023 10:28am
- cmm
  
  Here’s the URL Maggie: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/revealed-number-of-people-accused-of-homicide-related-offending-wearing-ankle-bracelets/ES4LSBJVP5BYZKWUA52NTO4JG4/
  
  What astounds me is that they are using these really crap devices that are so easy to gyp by “foiling” (ie. wrapping in foil to screen the radio signals.
  
  This prevents the GPS and cellular signals from working.
  
  Unfortunately GPS signals are extremely weak, so if you’re sitting inside it is possible that the GPS signals cannot be detected so a GPS outage is legitimate.
  
  What they really need to do here is add a stronger beacon that is attached to the house and must always be in view.
  
  It would be possible to create a device like that for less than $100 that could not be spoofed and would prevent these (inaudibles) from rorting the system.
  
  But would they care to do this? I doubt it.
  
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  August 28, 2023 10:54am
  - Random T Person
    
    LoraWAN might do it.
    
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    August 28, 2023 11:07am
    - bennerg
      
      Establishing location is critical, and using the ONT is one way as it is difficult to move, unlike a WiFi Access Point. Any GPS enabled device will have difficulty working indoors.
      
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      August 28, 2023 8:53pm
  - bennerg
    
    If the device were able to be also tied into a local dedicated WiFi signal that would provide extra layer of security. Then any outage or change of network connectivity would automatically generate a “visit”. (no mobile wifi of couse!!)
    
    But we wish for too much here.
    
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    August 28, 2023 11:24am
  - Diogenes
    
    I have a friend who spent several months on home detention. Twice in the middle of the night when sound asleep in bed he received a visit from a security officer because the monitoring station lost signal. On both times he had never left the house. And the second time, his probation officer put him on report for the “offence”. It was only when he completed his sentence that the probation officer admitted that the devices were at fault, something he had previously refused to admit.
    
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    August 28, 2023 11:43am
    - bennerg
      
      There’s a variety of options such as a cell phone call (voice id) to confirm location – even if only used 1 out of 3 times, randomly – to save on physical visits.
      
      But me-thinks there is not too much effort being put into this. But also me-wonders why?
      
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      August 28, 2023 12:16pm
      - bennerg
        
        Just checked are and there WiFi routers with GPS, so security & resilience are easily implemented.
        
        Combine that with the virtual fences designed to keep animals inside your section and we’d have a lot less issues.
        
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        August 28, 2023 12:38pm
    - Lance
      
      My brother had to have a breath monitor fitted to his car, to be able to use it.
      Yes he was an idiot and deserved.
      BUT…………….
      The company who ‘managed’ the device were little more than scam artists. There is a random sampling thing where if a sounder goes off you have to pull over and breath into it to continue.
      Except the sounder extremely quiet and ludicrously easy to miss with general car noise.
      The fun part is for every infraction they get an extension of 3 months and a HUGE fucking fee that would make a towie blush.
      A year after the supposed expiry date the blood suckers were still extracting cash as it was still operative
      He had to fight to get it finally terminated.
      Bastards
      
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      August 28, 2023 1:29pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    If you wrap it the thing in foil and blank the signal it will show up on the system as “bracelet not reporting”. That should be enough to arouse interest.
    
    Remembering these accused are out on bail – not convicted – presumably they would be out on bail with or without the bracelet.
    
    Not the same thing as someone on HD who mucks with their bracelet and runs the risk that home detention becomes non-home detention.
    
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    August 28, 2023 11:45am
    - Swifty
      
      “If you wrap it the thing in foil and blank the signal it will show up on the system as “bracelet not reporting”. That should be enough to arouse interest.”
      
      That is exactly right Ian.
      
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      August 28, 2023 12:46pm
    - kowtow
      
      Anyone here remember a time when a murder accused would get bail?
      
      or that there’s so many people pending trial for murder.
      
      or how long it’s taking to put these people in front of judge and jury.
      
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      August 28, 2023 12:47pm
    - cmm
      
      “Remembering these accused are out on bail – not convicted – presumably they would be out on bail with or without the bracelet. ”
      
      No, you have that wrong. There are conditions to bail. If those conditions are not met then bail can be withdrawn.
      
      It is completely the same has HD. In both cases the person is essentially limited by the restrictions of their bail or HD conditions and are required to comply.
      
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      August 28, 2023 1:42pm
- mogg
  
  On Saturday I asked Ginny Andersen, ‘with rampant crime and repeat offending why she had said that no Māori should be in prison’, she denied it.
  She claimed to have said that ‘nobody should be in prison’ (a blatant lie). She then accused me of being abusive.
  According to Seymour there is a Michael Hill Jeweller in Takapuna which has been robbed 5 times in 6 months, as a result they have shut up shop, and she thinks the solution is community panels, Māori of course.
  
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  August 28, 2023 11:01am
rjay

Have to laugh. Labour supporter compares Hipkins announcing he won’t go with NZF is the equivalent historical marker to Lange winning in 1984.
https://nickrockel.substack.com/p/chippy-draws-a-line?r=8w6dx&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&fbclid=IwAR0nvh4R8P3ZkQQFLx6eiKk2WacGg6yElwBY5tjoFT6nOfA69huZCbL5HHA
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August 28, 2023 10:44am
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/300958959/bluebridge-ferry-back-in-action-after-engineering-issues
Bluebridge would do their reputation a great service if they fronted-up and told their customers just what the problem was.
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August 28, 2023 12:04pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Both ferry companies could do with using ferries that are not 2nd hand and well past their use by date. Google the ferries and see how many operators they have had. Apart from Aratere a hell of a lot.
  
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  August 28, 2023 12:19pm
- Paul Marsden
  
  Contaminated diesel pehaps..??
  
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  August 28, 2023 12:23pm
bjools

Just heard on TV1 news.
The reason or inflation…”MAY” be due to increased business profit.
When they showed ther interview with the “expert”….it was the chief economist for the CTU.
I own my own small business, providing tech services to business’s.
So I speak to 100’s of business people and managers
They are saying
Money’s tight and they can’t purchase
Money’s tight and projects under way are on hold
They are not looking to employ
Personally, over the past few months
I have more default (late) payments than since I started my business in 2008 (remember the GFC?)
and had my worst month last month since 2008.
So I, as usual, am calling BULL SHIT on the CTUI “expert economist”.
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August 28, 2023 12:13pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  The CTU, the turth and Economics are not friends, never have been.
  
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  August 28, 2023 12:38pm
- kowtow
  
  Shouldn’t you remind them that the cost of not locking down would have been even higher …..
  
  Speaking of which I wonder how many folk doing it hard now were all in favour of the draconianism….
  
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  August 28, 2023 12:50pm
- alex Masterley
  
  The same rubbish was read out during the 7am “news” on ZB.
  How it made the bulletin is beyond me.
  
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  August 28, 2023 12:54pm
- miltonF
  
  I’m so tired of that BS argument. Increasing prices and profits are a consequence of inflation. Not the cause. It’s terrifying that the average NZers economic comprehension is so backwards that they can get away with propagating this disinformation. They should ask – how did NZers suddenly have a bunch of extra $ to pay these higher prices? Where did those $ come from?
  
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  August 28, 2023 4:07pm
lifesgood

I really don’t know what Hosking was on about this morning in his relentless browbeating of Luxon over New Zealand first. He was like a yappy little dog with a bone. Personally all I care about is that there is a National/Act coalition running the country from October. Peters is nothing but a distraction. Whether Luxon rules him in or out is neither here nor there, he’ll have absolutely no power either way.
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August 28, 2023 12:19pm
- gorse
  
  Lifesgood, couldn’t agree with you more about Mr. Luxon and NZ1. It is perfectly fair to wait until after the election. You can never be certain of an outcome. It might be that to get rid of this Government NZ1 might be needed. If that is what it takes to make Labour go away, so be it. If the MSM get their way the election will become a form of first past the post. The two sides will have declared their positions and it will become “them or us”.
  
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  August 28, 2023 1:09pm
  - jon
    
    Gorse and today MSM are demanding to know which of Act’s policies that Nats will agree too. Clearly a nonsense, as the strength of the Act vote on the 14th of Oct will determine the number and which policies the Nats will have to concede to them.
    
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    August 28, 2023 2:57pm
- kowtow
  
  What I see is te media pahti ( and clearly that now includes the godlike Hoskings) hell bent on ambushing/ railroading Lux into a headline ……
  
  It really appears orchestrated .
  
  They’re all doing it .
  
  Could it be coming from DPMC . We know the editors have regular briefings /meetings /conferences ( call it what you will) with their paymasters.
  
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  August 28, 2023 2:59pm
- greybeard
  
  Hosking, for all of his good points ( and I am a big Hosking follower ) must learn that believe it or not there are people on earth who do not have the same opinion as him.
  Luxon gave him his answer, several times, but Hosking just wanted this answer to match Hosking’s slant on things.
  Maybe a bit of ego taking over, I don’t know.
  I was quite disappointed with this interview, it could have been so much more productive and less of a pissing contest.
  
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  August 28, 2023 5:09pm
Gulag1917

Coal provides the source for 75% of India’s electricity which has transformed the nation since 1993.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/indias-power-output-grows-fastest-pace-33-years-fuelled-by-coal-2023-04-05/
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August 28, 2023 12:24pm
Maggie Pie

And where else do you think this is happening?

The Green Lane Masjid has been given a grant of $4 million by the government…….
‘to promote youth services’

So, what’s todays lesson?
“How to stone a woman to death according to Sharia law”

WATCH:
https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1694820005718733309
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August 28, 2023 12:55pm
- Ghost
  
  Hmmmm, my garden needs weeding, youth could do that. Where do I apply for several million dollars for that
  
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  August 28, 2023 12:57pm
- kevn
  
  Bribe… may as well say ‘we pay and you vote for labour’. OK, deal?
  
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  August 28, 2023 1:08pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, It is a measure of how upside down our culture is when our PM can’t define a woman but this turd can.
  
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  August 28, 2023 1:47pm
- kowtow
  
  We had more in the “news” recently about a cable car rescue in Pakistan than their most recent pogrom against Christians there.
  
  How very queer.
  
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  August 28, 2023 3:02pm
Maggie Pie

OK. No question David is a shoe-in for the Epsom electorate.

But you must admit, NZF’s Tanya Unkovich is a very attractive looking lady.

https://tiktok.com/@tanya.unkovich/video/7269151537505504514
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August 28, 2023 1:29pm
- mogg
  
  Thank god she is not in Labour otherwise it would be flat out Tanya-Mania by now. Brains, beauty, vocal fluency, excellent pronunciation, she makes Hippy and Jacinda look like stumble-bums by comparison. On top of that a degree in commerce/accountancy she outranks the whole cabinet. It’s a great shame that she is not in Parliament to question Mr Bumble
  our current economic wizard.
  
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  August 28, 2023 2:41pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Mr Bumble. The one who believes printing more money is the solution to poverty. Same as believing printing more Diplomas is a cure for the uneducated. 😀
    
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    August 28, 2023 3:11pm
    - mogg
      
      Mr Bumble: pompous, petty, greedy, power hungry bureaucrat, but most of all self important.
      He places everybody else well below his own estimation of himself. It’s not that I don’t like him or anything like that.
      
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      August 28, 2023 3:56pm
    - miltonF
      
      That’s a great analogy Maggie. I am stealing it.
      
      We can print as many pieces of paper as we like, but those pieces of paper have no value unless actual work is done.
      
      This is why we should revert to a backed currency like gold or bitcoin. This would guarantee that every dollar has value, because work was required to create it. It also brings back the social licence. Govt would have to fund itself via taxation only and would not have the option of funding via money creation (inflation). This means the govt would have to get permission from the public for its policy via tax, and would not be able to print the money to pay for whatever undemocratic policy they like.
      
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      August 28, 2023 4:17pm
Yabster

Luxon just had his press conference interrupted by some Freedom guy- -jumping on the fence behind him and asking questions- – think all the parties need to have a bit more security around the media chats -either that or they have to do it indoors as they have done.
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August 28, 2023 1:54pm
- Lance
  
  What a dick, a single-issue halfwit
  
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  August 28, 2023 2:15pm
Chuck Bird

I just heard Luxon on The Country and Jamie Mackay asked him if he was talking Groundswell and he dodged the question.

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/53-the-country-28628176/episode/the-country-280823-christopher-luxon-talks-121929055/
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August 28, 2023 2:21pm
- Ghost
  
  How did he dodge it, he said him and Todd McClay have talked to groundswell and that they understand nationals position that farmers have been victimised. You need to go back and listen again
  
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  August 28, 2023 2:47pm
EverlastingFire

Is Luxon pulling a John Key by not ruling out NZ first? Key formed a coalition with the Maori Party post election so he wouldn’t have to just rely on ACT. The same thing looks to be at play here.
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August 28, 2023 2:57pm
- Diogenes
  
  The Maori Party that John Key dealt with was a very different animal from today’s offering.
  
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  August 28, 2023 3:27pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    He was dealing with intelligent people who wanted the best for their constituents. Not a bunch of idiotic racists.
    
    Tariana is supporting her rellie Hareta not Debbie N-P in the campaign.
    
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    August 28, 2023 5:33pm
- nathie
  
  Or why give NZF oxygen by talking about them?
  
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  August 28, 2023 3:38pm
- artemisia
  
  Mr Luxon needs to ignore the NZF questions and commentary. I’m sure he has his reasons and that his advisers have well traversed options for now. Keep repeating what he is saying. Quiet and boring. Make decisions when the time is appropriate.
  
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  August 28, 2023 3:59pm
Ghost

I wonder who comes up with the catch phrases for the stupid ads we have at the moment

Covid booster – We on.
Canterbury advert from the police and local councils – Next Time Ya Drive.
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August 28, 2023 3:40pm
- kowtow
  
  That Canterbury ad is racist and maleist .
  
  The guy appears to have an Oz accent and they’ve made him out to be an idiot.
  
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  August 28, 2023 4:10pm
rouppe

Oh, right, so from accusing national as being the “coalition of cuts” Hipkins and Robertson have announced a cohort of cuts.

Brilliant. How are they going to spin that
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August 28, 2023 4:20pm
Ghost

Shit, you need bigger cutbacks than this

Prime Minister Chris Hipkins and Finance Minister Grant Robertson have announced a sweeping package of public service savings, cutting the Government’s cloth as clouds gather over the New Zealand economy.

The pair announced almost $4b worth of savings, booked over the four year forecast period. That is on top of $4b worth of savings announced at the Budget.

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August 28, 2023 4:26pm
- cmm
  
  After pissing away tens, if not hundreds of billions, a $4bn saving doesn’t move the needle.
  
  “$4b worth of savings, booked over the four year forecast period” so only $1bn then and to be countered with a 2026 lolly scramble (if they were to get in).
  
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  August 28, 2023 4:31pm
  - Ghost
    
    GST off fruit and vegetables is going to cost $2 billion over 4 years so let’s make $6 billion in savings and leave it on.
    
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    August 28, 2023 4:45pm
- Piticus
  
  Part of MBIE’s savings will be not checking properly on any visa applications and not auditing to uncover dodgy employers !!!!
  
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  August 28, 2023 5:28pm
- mogg
  
  Get rid of the feet in the trough work from home Wgtn gravy train, there’s another billion saved.
  
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  August 28, 2023 5:43pm
- Warren
  
  That tells you their internal polling has told them they have lost a bigger percentage of the vote since the last One News poll.
  
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  August 28, 2023 7:20pm
  - Ghost
    
    There was a story a few weeks ago that the fiscal hole was huge, that Robertson had called all heads in to try and make savings. they are trying to reduce it as much as they can before the Pre-election Economic and Fiscal Update is released in 2 weeks.
    
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    August 28, 2023 7:44pm
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      Well Winnie reckoned the hole was 20b, Willis asked how big it was and Robertson assured her that it wasn’t in the “public interest”, so a reasonable guess now might be somewhere north of 4 and maybe somewhere south of 16. Choice of measure is, of course, entirely up to the individual reader …….
      
      https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/03-08-2023/that-is-not-in-the-public-interest-robertson-quizzed-over-size-of-his-hole
      
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      August 28, 2023 8:20pm
Ghost

On Posie Parker returning to New Zealand next month, Hipkins says he doesn’t agree with her views or how she conveys them.

“I don’t think that adds to the debate in any way that’s useful, constructive, and I fully support the people who will oppose it who have indicated that they would oppose it with us and express a contrary view,” he said.

Stuff
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August 28, 2023 5:11pm
kevn

Well hipkins doesn’t even know what a woman is, so the comment is a clear sign of his stance.
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August 28, 2023 5:56pm
Warren

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/08/election-2023-christopher-luxon-confirms-national-will-campaign-in-epsom-against-david-seymour.html
National might not win but it’s good policy get what votes you can and make Seymour work for what appeared to be a safe seat for Act.
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August 28, 2023 6:50pm
Ghost

National leader Christopher Luxon has confirmed to Newshub it’s ripping up an historic election deal with ACT and will try to win the Epsom seat.

But it wasn’t before Luxon had to deal with a heckler at a press conference on Monday.

“What you’re seeing is a very unstable coalition of chaos emerging on the other side,” Luxon said before the man appeared over a fence.

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August 28, 2023 7:05pm
Ghost

Hints of nationals tax plan

Interestingly when Newshub asked her whether she’d rule out tax hikes she was very specific, saying she’d rule out tax hikes for working people. When pushed she admitted that extended to landlords.

Now she’s ruled out a wealth tax, any income tax hikes, capital gains tax, inheritance tax.

Those are the obvious revenue-gathering options.

Newshub is told that once everyone looks at how National wants to raise more money, we’ll be thinking, well why haven’t we been doing so already.

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Going to be interesting to see what national are going to release
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August 28, 2023 7:41pm
Ghost

This is insane, doing a political survey

and which of the following outcomes would you prefer?
*
New Zealand achieves net-zero carbon emissions by 2050, but the price of fuel rises by $3 for a 60ltr tank ($2 for a 40ltr tank)

New Zealand does not achieve net-zero carbon emissions by 2050, but the price of fuel stays about the same

…and which of the following outcomes would you prefer?..
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New Zealand achieves net-zero carbon emissions by 2050, but the price of fuel rises by $9 for a 60ltr tank ($6 for a 40ltr tank)

New Zealand does not achieve net-zero carbon emissions by 2050, but the price of fuel stays about the same

…and which of the following outcomes would you prefer?…..
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New Zealand achieves net-zero carbon emissions by 2050, but the price of fuel rises by $60 for a 60ltr tank ($40 for a 40ltr tank)

New Zealand does not achieve net-zero carbon emissions by 2050, but the price of fuel stays about the same
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August 28, 2023 8:38pm
- Ghost
  
  Another question
  
  There should be stronger laws to crack down on misinformation, the views of anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists
  
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