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Warren

Election 2023: Labour would have to double key welfare promises to account for inflation.
It looks like Grant Robertson is under great pressure and Labour are pushing new policies through that haven’t been costed correctly Giving National the opportunity to show the public how out of there depth Labour and the Finance Minister are.
If this was National Leader Chris Luxon the drums would be beating and the statements would be loud about you can’t trust National with the books if you look at the costing.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-labour-would-need-to-double-key-welfare-promise-to-account-for-inflation/RANAIO3TXJGFPIZH5OXCMRBK34/
Grant Robertson Finance Minister and Chris Hipkins our Prime Minister are making schoolboy mistakes just like Nationals Finance Minister Nicole Willis has predicted and proven.
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August 16, 2023 8:00am
- Random T Person
  
  Watching Luxon on Newshub is just SO disappointing. Kept coming back to his ‘talking points’ rather than giving authentic responses. https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/08/grant-robertson-willie-jackson-s-personal-attacks-have-end-of-school-year-feel-christopher-luxon-says.html
  When will these guys understand that PR people SHOULD NOT run the world. Stop running rehearsed lines. Be authentic. Think on your feet. Show nuance and understanding. In short, study David Seymour, who has a real, intelligent answer to real, intelligent (or even real stupid) questions. FFS.
  
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  August 16, 2023 10:29am
  - Colville
    
    The only way Luxon wont get elected is if he stumbles in one of these interviews and allows himself to be drawn off script and says something the media sharks can pounce on.
    
    Stick to the script and win.
    Win.
    Win
    Win at all cost.
    
    He would need to have rocks in his head to deviate from that plan.
    
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    August 16, 2023 11:27am
    - Bob
      
      what rocks, the Labour govt have used them all for their heads!
      
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      August 16, 2023 11:49am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      I agree. Let Luxon stick to talking points. He is not as experienced at the dance with journalists as Seymour is.
      So stick to them – simple messages, repeat, and dont get drawn out on distractions or gotchas which their questions often attempt.
      It is the right plan for Luxon, and let the skewering of journalists be done by others.
      One needs to dog paddle, and keep head above water when thrown in the pool. The other can be doing the backstroke.
      
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      August 16, 2023 12:35pm
    - Clownworld
      
      If he answers honestly with integrity no problem. If he doesn’t answer directly as it is a trap, no problem.
      
      However if he is only answering due to preprogramming and preformulated answers he is no better than the other preformulated optics only answers of Seymour and Hipkins.
      
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      August 17, 2023 4:09am
  - cmm
    
    I think one of Luxon’s problems is that he has been a CEO.
    
    CEOs can command yes-boss/no-boss obedience from the people they engage with and an expectation that they are in control. This gives them a very distorted view or the world.
    
    In the real world politicians need to move in, the shoe is on the other foot. We are their boss. They must shut up and listen.
    
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    August 16, 2023 1:14pm
    - waikatosinger
      
      I think it is more like a politician needs an image. A boss – not so much. Hipkins has that cheeky boy thing going for him. Luxton is just a suit.
      
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      August 16, 2023 4:48pm
- bjools
  
  From the profile of GR
  He studied politics at Otago, graduating with a Bachelor of Arts with Honours in 1995. At university he was the President of the Otago University Students’ Association and became Co-President of the New Zealand University Students Association.
  and Michael Cullen was a history professor, who’s doctorate thesis was on the life of Karl Marx.
  No wonder we are and were in a mess.
  
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  August 16, 2023 10:31am
  - Grunter
    
    These guys truely believe that Marxism is the way to go – it just needs to be implemented “THEIR WAY”. They reject basic economic principles such as supply & demand. They believe in printing money and magically wishing away the massive debt now at over $155 billion and counting…..
    https://www.debtclock.nz/
    
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    August 16, 2023 10:54am
    - Jack5
      
      Was the Robertson-Reserve Bank money printing jubilee Marxism or was it Social Credit?
      
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      August 16, 2023 12:06pm
      - lifesgood
        
        Michael Cullen was one of the nastiest MPs I can remember and he destroyed NZ Post to boot. His whining, sniveling, voice was almost impossible to listen to. And that nasty, hateful, jealous socialist had the gall to accept a Knighthood.
        
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        August 16, 2023 12:41pm
- kiwikidsnz
  
  https://nopunchespulled.com/2023/08/16/my-poll-prediction/
  
  Labour = ACT according to Sir Bob
  
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  August 16, 2023 12:13pm
  - cmm
    
    With the utmost respect, Sir Bob’s been at the nose candy.
    I hope he’s right, but I doubt it.
    
    While people may not be drawn to Hipkins, they don’t have that absolute hate for him like they did for Andy Little. They will hold their noses and vote for Hipkins while they were reaching for the vomit bucket when thinking about voting for Little.
    
    Heck, Little wasn’t even on those buddy-buddy posters with electorate candidates – the first time that was seen for Labour or National.
    
    And Andy was still well on the way to score 26%.
    
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    August 16, 2023 1:21pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      I hope he’s right, but I doubt it.
      
      I doubt it, too. In fact, he can’t be right: he’s just having a larf.
      
      For one thing, he is saying that 12 of the 18 registered parties are going to receive no Party votes, whatsoever. In other words, his percentages are all effective Party percentages. (To participate in the allocation of List seats, a party must receive 5% of the Party vote – not 5% of the effective Party vote – or win one electorate seat.)
      
      His percentages give the following seat allocation: National 47, Labour 24, ACT NZ 24, Greens 13, Te Pāti Māori 6, and NZ First 6.
      
      In other words, with a combined 71 seats to National and ACT NZ, Sir Bob is predicting a near reversal of the 2020 election (where Labour and the Greens received a combined 75 seats).
      
      Such an outcome can occur under the unlamented FPP electoral system, but would be very unlikely under MMP. That is because, with FPP, a small change in votes for the two main parties can indeed lead to a reversal in seats won. (Compare the result of the 1975 election with that of the 1972 election.) Under PR/MMP, changes in Party vote percentages will result in equivalent changes in seat allocations.
      
      Also, beware what you hope for. Do you really want 24 ACT NZ MPs, when 18 (plus 47 for National) would give the NACTs a comfortable majority? For one thing, those candidates at the lower end, especially, of both Lists won’t all be of the finest quality, that’s for real. If the NACTs finish up with more the 70 seats, party discipline would possibly be at risk (as we have seen with Labour and the Greens over the last 12 months), which would likely result in an interesting second half of the next Parliamentary term.
      
      The next 59 days are going to be great fun.
      
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      August 16, 2023 4:27pm
  - Grunter
    
    Yes, Sir Bob has called every election for decades, and I so hope he is right with his prediction;
    Nats = 39%
    ACT = 20%
    Lab = 20%
    Greens = 11%
    
    He’s predicting Winston 1st = 5%, but I just read 4.99% so he misses out in my world.
    
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    August 16, 2023 1:22pm
    - rockape
      
      I think he is spot on for National but 5% high for ACT.
      
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      August 16, 2023 5:09pm
Matt Long

Hear that sucking sound?
That was Fonterra’s capital return of 50 cents per share being immediately sucked into farm working expenses as milk futures sink below $7/kg and the GDT auction falls another 7% overnight.
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August 16, 2023 8:06am
- Matt Long
  
  When Fonterra announced earlier they were planning their future on reducing milk supply I thought Dairy farmers innovation and technology would at least keep supply constant.
  But no, the global woke is going to take dairy down.
  First by banks targetting methane;
  https://www.interest.co.nz/rural-news/123574/bnz-having-target-reduce-its-financed-dairy-farming-emissions-through-membership
  Then Fonterra itself;
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/agribusiness/132701124/fonterra-is-getting-ready-to-tackle-its-biggest-source-of-emissions–farmers
  
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  August 16, 2023 8:11am
  - Tomtoddy
    
    The biggest proportion of Fonterra’s production is non-differentiated milk powder, cheese, casein that the end user has no clue nor no interest in its origins.
    
    This is pure, expensive fantasy by woke leadership high fiving each other at their farmer’s expense.
    
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    August 16, 2023 8:24am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Casein. There’s a word I have not heard for a long time. On the farm Dad told me out knife a fork handles were casein – the old ones that I thought were just a plastic.
      1958 we are talking.
      
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      August 16, 2023 8:49am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Yet another example of how the country is fucked and climate change bedwetters like National won’t save us.
    
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    August 16, 2023 8:28am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      We can fix all this shit, but sadly the socialists will be back with their nonsense in 12/15/18 years.
      
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      August 16, 2023 9:00am
      - Bloody Dago
        
        Never would be beneficial to future generations.
        
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        August 16, 2023 2:07pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes, but you can only see red
      
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      August 16, 2023 10:33am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Same shit they were pulling a decade ago in the heyday of Muller and company, which eventually led to the debacle of 2018.
    
    Glad I was gone before that shit show, but I should have quit them in 2013.
    
    To any Fonterra supplier the ascent of Todd Muller to leadership of National was a bad sign. We knew what was coming despite all the squawks about how great it was that National had such a “high powered executive”.
    
    This too will end in a clusterfuck for Fonterra farmers.
    
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    August 16, 2023 8:39am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    It’s a war on everything we know and it’s all based on lies. Global warming, covid, gender, race.
    
    Most people still think this is a ‘conspiracy theory’ which is why they are getting away with this madness.
    
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    August 16, 2023 8:57am
    - Matt Long
      
      It’s all been set out in The Global Reset, that strangely our politicians who are so cosy with the WEF know nothing about.
      https://twitter.com/franks_lawyer/status/1691534541079629824
      
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      August 16, 2023 9:00am
    - Bridgenag
      
      Two Princeton, MIT Scientists Say EPA Climate Regulations Based on a ‘Hoax
      
      Physicist, meteorologist testify that the climate agenda is ‘disastrous’ for America
      
      https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/two-princeton-mit-scientists-say?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
      
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      August 16, 2023 10:37am
      - Bloody Dago
        
        It’s not an agenda, it’s a scam of monstrous proportions
        
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        August 16, 2023 2:10pm
    - General
      
      https://rumble.com/v36lybw-giga-spiral-weed-psychosis-edition-intellectual-dishonesty-regarding-publis.html
      
      Go to the 35 minute 30 second mark and watch for a few minutes
      
      Breast cancer numbers in a particular band of young women 2019 – 2oish thousand, same again 2020, 2021. 49k in 2022. 297k SO FAR in 2023
      
      cancer.org is the data source
      
      Jesus christ
      
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      August 16, 2023 1:11pm
- greybeard
  
  China controls the Australian iron-ore industry, and they control NZ tourism and NZ dairy industry.
  What next? Fisheries? Timber? IT?
  
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  August 16, 2023 8:33am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Fisheries and Forestry belong to Maori at the moment.
    See the Waitangi Tribunal version of the Treaty with the 1989 additions by Sir Hugh Kawharu. David Lange allowed this to happen – stupid man.
    
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    August 16, 2023 8:54am
  - peterwn
    
    I thought Gina Rinehart controlled the Australian iron ore industry – the woman who flipped the bird at Netball Australia.
    
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    August 16, 2023 11:11am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Will they still buy our milk powder?
  
  They don’t look like family-forming consumers of milk products to me.
  
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  August 16, 2023 8:40am
- RoboRob
  
  We are told that NZ pays the world price for its Dairy products. I know that we are talking milk powder here but if global demand is down and supply in other countries is up, when can we expect to see drops in dairy prices and foods produced using milk powder here?
  
  If Fonterra is struggling might I suggest dropping prices here to lift demand in NZ? I am sure many families have reduced dairy intake due to the extreme prices.
  
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  August 16, 2023 8:49am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Mild Cheese $18 for 1kg.
    
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    August 16, 2023 8:55am
    - Taieri
      
      Mild Cheese $18 for 1kg
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      4 litres of milk makes about 0.8 kg of white cheese and about 0.3 kg of Ricotta and takes about 2 hours to make. Mild cheese will require somewhat more and takes longer to make. Don’t know what cheese factories pay for milk, but it costs me $5.79 for 2 litres, the cost of rennet and calcium chloride is negligible as they last for a very long time. The cost of power is about 50 cents per batch and bacterial cultures are home made and their cost is also negligible. My labour is free and there’s no opportunity cost as I’m semi-retired. So, $18 per kilo of factory made mild cheese looks just about right.
      
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      August 16, 2023 9:38am
      - NothingLeft
        
        milk is about $1.5/litre if you use retail milk powder, but only ~$1/litre at farm gate. I can always buy colby cheese for ~$10/kg at pak n save.
        
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        August 16, 2023 10:16am
      - gravedodger
        
        For starters buy “Pams:” milk that retails for less than $2.25 a L, just a suggestion.
        
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        August 16, 2023 10:42am
      - Taieri
        
        milk is about $1.5/litre if you use retail milk powder
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        You can’t make cheese from milk powder.
        
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        August 16, 2023 11:32am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        My Dad worked in a cheese factory when I was a kid (Te Kowhai)
        I spent a lot of time watching the process. Once made the cheese was stores in the chiller for 12 to 18 months. There is the cost factor.
        Best part was each worker was allowed to take some cheese home – just what they needed back then. Honesty.
        
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        August 16, 2023 4:04pm
      - rockape
        
        We make a lot of cheese of various varieties. We are lucky in that we get 15 litres of free full cream jersey milk straight from the cow when it’s the season. If it wasn’t for that it wouldn’t be worth the trouble other than it’s become a hobby for the wife. It’s great fun expiramenting to. Best one to date is Leicester spiced with loads of pepper.
        
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        August 16, 2023 5:16pm
    - Ghost
      
      Pam’s Mild 1kg $12
      
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      August 16, 2023 10:48am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Very mild, and I am not a cheese connoisseur.
        The same bands will be available, I picked the most expensive.
        
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        August 16, 2023 4:08pm
  - Matt Long
    
    New Zealand consumes less than 7% of our dairy production last I looked. However giving supermarkets higher profits for dairy along with the extra 15% from GST on fresh fruit and vegetables does seem fair, I hear they’re only making about 17% return on investment.
    
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    August 16, 2023 9:15am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Great point RR.
    
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    August 16, 2023 10:40am
- mogg
  
  Yes and China is producing +25% more home grown WMP, soon we will be importing cheese and butter from China.
  
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  August 16, 2023 2:29pm
Mark Hanley

No 11 on my list of priorities for NZ yesterday (Study and copy Ireland’s success.) drew limited uninformed criticism.

On queue, Bryce Wilkinson published an analysis of Ireland’s success. A focus on excellent education, productivity, and the attraction of foreign capital are key drivers of Ireland’s success.

IRELAND”S SUCCESS DRIVERS ARE ALL REPLICABLE!

Ireland’s membership of the EU is an advantage but the fact Ireland outperform their EU compatriots clearly demonstrates EU membership isn’t the mainstay for Ireland’s success.

file:///C:/Users/mark/Downloads/Benchmarking-New-Zealands-Economic-Performance-Against-Irelands-v3.pdf
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August 16, 2023 8:07am
- imalwaysright
  
  Unfortunately for New Zealand’s ability to replicate Ireland’s success Mark, the key asset that the Irish have is educated people .
  
  The Irish teachers are chosen from the top 25% of graduates.
  
  New Zealand teachers tend to be from the bottom 25% of graduates.
  
  Factor in the difference in educational standards used to educate these graduates and the Irish system is streets ahead.
  
  New Zealand has the potential, but to achieve it we first need a generation of top quality teachers and then a generation of motivated students able to be educated.
  
  At the moment we have neither.
  
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  August 16, 2023 10:52am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    imalwaysright. I agree.
    
    Labour awarded teachers a salary commensurate with the salary of the top 25% of graduates.
    
    Now we need a government who retrospectively matches the skill level of teachers to their wages.
    
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    August 16, 2023 11:40am
    - Bob
      
      retrospectively matches the skill level of teachers…..
      in many cases this will take an awful lot of training and personal effort to achieve.
      
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      August 16, 2023 11:51am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        I didn’t say it will be easy Bob but Ireland has realised (the predictable) return on investment.
        
        Ireland earns 2.3 x as much as NZ.
        
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        August 16, 2023 12:20pm
  - gravedodger
    
    Graduates from where?
    The Salt Water Creek University?
    Honours in Socialism?
    
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    August 16, 2023 1:52pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Talk to the record number of Irish fleeing their own country. A nurse (yes a nurse) told me the conditions over in Ireland are much worse than here.
  
  Think on that a while….
  
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  August 16, 2023 10:53am
  - imalwaysright
    
    I suppose Intel hadn’t spoken to your nurse( yes your nurse) before they invested $54 billion in a factory in Ireland Frank.
    Be realistic.
    New Zealand is lucky to get $4 or $5 billion a year in overseas investment now, mainly because of contractual commitments .
    That’s because most people know that NZ is an economic cot case.
    
    Don’t take it as an insult to NZ, use it as helpful criticism.
    
    We need education and educated people .
    
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    August 16, 2023 11:38am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    Frank,
    IMF GDP per capita in USD 2023
    
    NZ 48,826
    Ireland 114,581
    
    https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDPDPC@WEO/OEMDC/ADVEC/WEOWORLD
    
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    August 16, 2023 11:51am
    - Interested Party
      
      That GDP figure is massively distorted by the fact many overseas companies are based in Ireland for low tax reasons – remove these amounts from the mix and you get a much lower GDP per capita figure. Google Ireland a tale of two economies.
      
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      August 16, 2023 1:48pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Interesting Party. Can you put a number on “massively distorted” and supply a refernce/link?
        
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        August 16, 2023 2:10pm
  - Beach Haven expat
    
    Surely she’s only talking about since Mallard was posted there…
    
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    August 16, 2023 1:27pm
- Clownworld
  
  Please note that Ireland’s figures are based on the multinational whims who pay little or no tax and overinflate the GDP. Yes Pzifer and Intel and other entities provide jobs in Ireland but recently they along with Facebook made around 10% of their workforce redundnant.
  
  Ireland without the multinational investment is not particularly advanced in their own development, manufacturing and skills.
  
  There is a housing crisis though different to NZ’s. The average rent is 2 to 10 times higher than a relatively average mortgage on a 3 bedroom house. At times there are less than a thousand dwelling in the whole of Ireland available to rent and no hotel, Air B&B or other options that don’t house asylum seekers, Ukrainians and the very few tourists who are lucky enough to get them left.
  
  As for health , in Ireland you have to pay in public not only private, the system is very close to the USA.
  
  The country cannot build fast enough. The bureaucracy and slowness of the government departments is a thing of Orwellian beauty. It takes months to get tax numbers, almost a year to find a GP and there are changing tax laws constantly.
  
  The largest employer is administration staff in the health sector who out number actual medical practitioners by 10 to 1.
  
  Ireland is educated however it is a class system based on academic achievement not work experience.
  
  It is far from the worst but far from the best.
  
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  August 17, 2023 4:39am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    Thx clownworld. Your comments and conclusions appear valid.
    
    However, a class system based on academic achievement is an oxymoron.
    
    Ireland now has the advantage of an increasingly better educated workforce and a business friendly environment.
    
    Those factors will not go away so expect to see more investment and wealth growth in Ireland.
    
    Ireland’s success is replicable!
    
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    August 17, 2023 1:02pm
Matt Long

There’s totally no way the DC justice system would be weaponised to target conservatives or Trump…
Unless it was for a good cause,
https://www.foxnews.com/us/dc-selectively-enforced-defacement-laws-blm-pro-life-group-federal-appeals-court-rules
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August 16, 2023 8:15am
Kiwiguy

Has an interesting chat to a mate of mine, he’s in the civil contracting business up north. I asked him what the go was with the Dome Valley road works, why were they taking so long?
His reply astounded me: he claims that the contractors were never held to a fixed-price contract. Instead, they’re just charging it up. The original price estimate was $32m, so far it’s cost well over $90m…

Maybe this also explains the state of SH1 north of Warkworth – it’s just horrendous. There seems to be no incentive to repair the roads properly at all. It’s highly embarrassing to have tourists drive on it the way it is, and pretty dangerous. I was appalled at it. Thanks, Labour.
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August 16, 2023 8:16am
- Kiwiguy
  
  Just to clarify: My mate is not the contractor on the Dome Valley repairs.
  
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  August 16, 2023 9:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  $90M. This needs to stop. What’s with Labour allowing this to happen?
  David Parker knows about this?
  
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  August 16, 2023 9:21am
  - kevn
    
    SteveO… wood?
    
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    August 16, 2023 10:19am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      No idea. Portfolios change daily.
      
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      August 16, 2023 4:15pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Compare the Ethiopian dam on the Nile , roughly ten times the size of Clyde, for about $nz10 billion, with Megan Woods storage pond that she says will cost $15 billion but we all know will be $50 billion after the corruption taps are turned on.
    New Zealand is being financially raped.
    
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    August 16, 2023 11:07am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Nice term, I must remember that.
      Financially Raped.
      
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      August 16, 2023 4:17pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Looks like the Sisterhood (V4.0) language police have paid a visit to your post Steve O.
      
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      August 16, 2023 9:51pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yep Labour suggests Nats costings on roads is wrong, what a bloody cheek.
  
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  August 16, 2023 10:37am
- gravedodger
  
  So that is how it got to Twelve Thousand dollars a meter for The cycle/walkway to Port Chalmers?
  
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  August 16, 2023 10:45am
Kiwiguy

On the topic of flood/cyclone damaged homes….

I know a couple of families whose homes have been badly damaged in the cyclone floods, and insurance has said ‘no more’ to them. Their homes are unliveable. Have a read:

The Auckland property: the previous owner/developer wanted to build a two-story house in an expensive suburb, but the height to boundary restrictions prevented it. So, he literally dug the ground down enough until the house would comply. So this house now sits about 2-3 feet below the road and below the surrounding properties. That particular area is quite low-lying as it is, so when it rains heavily this property just becomes a pond, with flood waters going right through the house. Multiple times. Oh, it’s also on an overland flood zone…
The current owner is now too devastated to go back, or to attempt any remediation. They’re going to walk away from it and hopefully sell it for whatever they can get for it.

The Northland property: nice rural lifestyle block with a modern home on it. The recent floods went right through the house, wrecking it badly. The local postie, an old lady who has been doing the area for decades, said she wasn’t surprised – that spot used to be a dam. She couldn’t understand why a house was allowed there.
The owner has no idea what he’s going to do. Currently renting elsewhere.

How do the respective councils sleep at night, knowing that they have allowed things like this to happen??
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August 16, 2023 8:18am
- gravedodger
  
  Buyer beware is no longer an issue perhaps?
  We owned a farm east of Masterton that had the Taueru River on one boundary it could rise thirty feet and we accepted that as part of the price of good water. Mitigating its dangers was our responsibility entirely.
  
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  August 16, 2023 10:51am
  - Kiwiguy
    
    Re buyer beware etc…
    Well the thing is, most people aren’t experts in this stuff, and we used to be able to trust our local councils. In times gone past we could safely assume that if the council approved it, then it was all good. And that was generally true back then. (I’m talking 40+ years back)
    
    But now you simply cannot trust local councils any more. From signing off leaky homes to approving new builds in flood plains… common sense has left the council building.
    And it’s taking the population a while to wake up to this fact.
    
    Whenever I look at a property, the first thing I now look at is where it is located in relation to the lie of the land. The second thing I look at is the cladding. But we shouldn’t have to. We should be able to trust the governing bodies. Alas, no longer.
    
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    August 16, 2023 12:36pm
    - gravedodger
      
      Get advice from a Local Authority??
      Get what you pay for and immune to lawsuits.
      
      Go to a professional and although it costs they cannot afford to deal crap.
      
      My nobby friends ask “Why Selwyn” when old age and changing needs drove us off Banks Peninsula after 20 glorious years, simply security safety and well under 30 minutes to anywhere, so simple really.
      
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      August 16, 2023 2:00pm
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-crime-police-arrest-six-children-aged-12-and-13-for-breaking-into-cars/EIYRW4J6D5FP3MMAA4OF6D7HZM/

Auckland 3am this morning, 6 little thugs running around town breaking into cars.

Little doubt these kids belong to criminal families. It is too late for these children now, their gang patches are ready, and each of them will be a menace to society for decades to come. It’ll only be 4 years away until they start having their own kids too!

This gutless government will not hold parents to account either!
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August 16, 2023 8:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  They were good boys you know.
  
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  August 16, 2023 9:33am
- Grunter
  
  Bring back 3-Strikes (which means they ultimately get locked up).
  
  Make the parents accountable by taking kids off derelict parents.
  
  Stop paying young adults to have kids they could never afford.
  
  Have more cops on the streets and lock up these little sihts for the night.
  
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  August 16, 2023 9:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Boot Camp, bring it now!
    
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    August 16, 2023 4:20pm
Grunter

So Ivermectin does work, always did….. Another conspiracy theory bites the dust. No wonder trust in health officials and govt is zero!

https://open.substack.com/pub/vigilantfox/p/ivermectin-worked-peer-reviewed-study?r=7myba&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
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August 16, 2023 8:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Country Leaders were bribed to stop Ivermectin and promote the ‘safe and effective vaccines and boosters. $2B+ of vaccines meant a bribe was always effective.
  Wonder which Country Leaders did this??
  
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  August 16, 2023 9:41am
- fredonas
  
  In order to get emergency use authorisation for the rushed and poorly tested mRNA “vaccines”, there needed to be no alternative effective treatments available so big pharma and the MSM conspired to demonise and ban other effective but unprofitable treatments like ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine and monoclonal antibodies. Criminals with infinite greed and no conscience in my opinion 🙁
  
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  August 16, 2023 12:50pm
- miltonF
  
  Amazing eh. We all knew this was going to be the case, because clinical studies previously indicated IVM was effective against SARS COV-1 and other coronaviruses. They banned an effective treatment for profit. How many people died unnecessarily because they could not access medicine? People like Bloomfield need to face trial over this. It probably meets the legal definition of manslaughter to be honest. Denying medical treatment resulting in death.
  
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  August 16, 2023 5:30pm
sparkhole

Labour, in desperation, are hitting new lows every day. I wonder, would anyone consider hiring an ex-Labour MP? Would they even put it on their CV. In the past they had careers to go back to but this time its not so certain.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/08/willie-jackson-apologises-grant-robertson-refuses-as-labour-ministers-turn-political-disputes-personal.html
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August 16, 2023 8:20am
- Kiwiguy
  
  Yes, Labour are acting like they’re under some sort of pressure. What could it be, I wonder?
  
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  August 16, 2023 9:20am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Books open publicly mid September, they will be a nail in a coffin if these assholes have been lying
    
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    August 16, 2023 11:04am
    - wsk12345
      
      If???????????
      
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      August 16, 2023 12:17pm
- Prince
  
  Remember, just a week ago, Robertson said the economy was in such a state that no party could make big promises.
  Since then, Labour has promised $45B on North Shore traffic, smashed the GST system, $2B for remewable energy, $1B ‘GIDI’ slush fund for Green things, and promised some maternity care they voted down the previous week.
  Who’s running their desperate campaign ?
  
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  August 16, 2023 9:29am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Who is running this?
    Ardern passing on instructions of H1 and H2.
    
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    August 16, 2023 9:46am
    - Kiwiguy
      
      Whenever I see this reference to H1 and H2, I think of the H1/H2 model Hummer vehicles – which are now obsolete, just like the H1 and H2 that you’re referring to!
      
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      August 16, 2023 1:26pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        But the Political H1 and H2 are very much alive, not obsolete.
        
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        August 16, 2023 4:22pm
    - Clownworld
      
      From Klaus, China and Obama.
      
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      August 17, 2023 4:50am
- Grunter
  
  Hipkins hits a new low by becoming the first NZ PM to label another MP (Seymour) as a racist. Seymour was simply asking why Hipkins and his gang of nut-jobs were conducting racial profiling and then discriminating based on race? And Seymour is called a racist because he is against racist discrimination????
  
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  August 16, 2023 9:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The word “racist” pops out when there are no more facts to argue and the debate is over.
    
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    August 16, 2023 9:48am
    - Tricati
      
      Correct – When you have to personalize your argument, and attempt to denigrate your opponent, you have truly lost the debate.
      I think maybe Dr Sharma was right, Labour are really a bunch of bullies and its coming out in spades.
      
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      August 16, 2023 10:19am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Sharma was right on to it but got shut down.
        No texts, no emails, no phone calls.
        Never write anything down! Who said that? One guess only!!!!
        
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        August 16, 2023 4:26pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      He was being asked a question, racist the reply is what his answer was to something his own party is doing, what a bumbling idiot
      
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      August 16, 2023 11:07am
    - imalwaysright
      
      SO, check yourself son.
      
      ““racist” pops out when there are no more facts ”
      
      No more facts indicates there were some facts.
      
      We’re watching you now!
      
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      August 16, 2023 11:50am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        There were some facts that are not for others.
        Thanks for watching my back.
        
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        August 16, 2023 4:27pm
  - Matt Long
    
    Martin Luther King Jr is a racist by regressive standards.
    
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    August 16, 2023 10:12am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Really, I seem to remember Davidson being removed from the house a few months ago got calling someone, or a party racist
    
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    August 16, 2023 11:06am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “…the rank and file are usually much more primitive than we imagine. Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and repetitious.” ~ Joseph Goebbels
    
    “Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty.” ~ Joseph Goebbels
    
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    August 16, 2023 10:02pm
- Taieri
  
  I wonder, would anyone consider hiring an ex-Labour MP?
  ——–
  
  Of course. Fish and chips shops are always on the lookout for a new staff.
  
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  August 16, 2023 9:40am
  - Colville
    
    LOL … you think a hard working Chinese fish and chip shop owner would hire one of those mongs?
    
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    August 16, 2023 11:42am
    - Jack5
      
      The use of “mongs” a term for kids and others who suffer from Down syndrome is from ignorance, but it’s also vicious and racist to many people.
      
      Here’s the origin, from a BBC program:
      
      While working at the Royal Earlswood Asylum in the 1860s, John Langdon Down started to categorise the patients known then as “idiots”, noting that one group all had a similar appearance. Mentioning a roundness of cheeks, the shape of eyes and other physical traits, he wrote: “A very large number of congenital idiots are typical Mongols.”
      
      The term is hurtful to the many, many New Zealanders who have Downs Syndrome folk in their families.
      
      In 1965, Mongolia complained to the World Health Organisation that the term was derogatory towards Mongolians, and it was replaced with Down’s syndrome.
      
      As well as perhaps being among the most successful soldiers in history, Mongolians rank highly in international IQ tests.
      
      Forbes quoted data from the international discount voucher company Vouchercloud as indicating Mongolians ranked No. 12 in the world for IQ, with an implied level dead on 100, while NZ was No. 19 on 98.9 a level it shared with the Czech Republic (now Czechia).
      
      https://www.forbes.com/sites/duncanmadden/2019/01/11/ranked-the-25-smartest-countries-in-the-world/?sh=5e6ad04f163f
      
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      August 16, 2023 2:19pm
      - fredonas
        
        Perhaps “munters” would be a better term?
        
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        August 16, 2023 6:52pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Taieri.
    
    Good idea.
    
    Id hire them as bollards for dairies, unfortunately that would only increase the amount of ramraids
    
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    August 16, 2023 12:46pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They need someone who can work out the change.
    Cost is $19.30. So you hand them a $20 note and 30 cents.
    Nope, too hard too hard too hard.
    We are doomed, doomed I say!!
    
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    August 16, 2023 4:35pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The vulgarity they show is losing more support, no voter undecided will want to hear that filth, Luxon may well be right all the time about not getting into the carryon, like Penks post, they may well be seen as the better bet just on behavioural issues
  
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  August 16, 2023 10:40am
- crikey
  
  “ Labour, in desperation”.
  
  This must be Hipkins mantra:
  If desperate times call for desperate measures, then I’m free to act as desperately as I wish.
  Suzanne Collins, Catching Fire
  
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  August 16, 2023 11:31am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Grant Robertson can go back to student politics for all I care
  
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  August 16, 2023 8:35pm
Swifty

Man smashes women’s powerlifting records:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12409065/amp/Riley-Gaines-Canadian-Justin-Trudeau-trans-unofficial-world-record-powerlifting-mocking-competitors.html

Excellent. I hope this wakes up more people, more quickly, to this lunacy.
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August 16, 2023 8:24am
- Notsofast
  
  At least Trudeau is blatant about his moronic embracing of the cult. We have 121 politicians who sneaked in SEX self ID, trashed scientific terminology, and to a eunuch refuse to discuss it.
  
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  August 16, 2023 9:11am
- RalphT
  
  Could be my imagination but that male female competitor looks a bit like our beloved PM. Having buggered NZ is Chippy now trying to do the same to Canadian sports?
  
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  August 16, 2023 12:15pm
- Grunter
  
  Nicola Willis on Sean Plunkets The Platform this morning refused to answer the question about biological men with a dick being allowed in women changing rooms with young girls. “We would leave it up to each facility….”
  Just astounding. How on earth did we get to the stage where a female Deputy Leader of the National Party would say such crap!??
  
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  August 16, 2023 1:40pm
  - Ghost
    
    Because that is the correct answer. Do you want it to be up to governments because if you want governments to interfere then your next labour green governments will make it law that trans woman and trans men can use the opposite sex’s toilets, they will also push for trans competing in sports opposite to their sex. Leave governments to butt out and you see what is happening in sports and that is sporting bodies banning trans woman from woman sports. People boycotting companies overseas and costing them huge
    
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    August 16, 2023 1:47pm
    - Grunter
      
      The sports question I agree with you Ghost, let each sport decide on their rules. Same with beer companies etc (eg Bud Light). Let them suffer the consequences….
      
      BUT the question on public toilets/changing rooms is completely different. Right now we have the situation where each facility decides, and because most are woke they let the ‘women with dicks’ parade naked in front of young girls (without dicks).
      
      It is a straight out ban. Don’t allow it. Come in here again and its a kick to the nuts!!
      
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      August 16, 2023 2:24pm
      - Ghost
        
        Public toilets/changing rooms are a council issue, if people want trans banned from them that is where you put your pressure, we do not need central government getting involved with more council infrastructure.
        
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        August 16, 2023 2:33pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      The ESG infestation has companies quivering in their boots. So they will all fall into line and allow adult male genitalia in changing rooms which could have children and naked females in them (while their staff wonder how to protect their own daughters from their own cowardice).
      The law needs to say if you want to fawn over latter day woke trans ideology then build a separate single cubicle facility to do your virtue signalling with.
      
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      August 16, 2023 10:11pm
- gravedodger
  
  Betting dollars that shemale will never receive unwanted sexual advances?
  
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  August 16, 2023 2:05pm
  - sirknz
    
    Won’t stop them claiming it though, you know for the oppression points.
    
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    August 16, 2023 4:26pm
wsk12345

Always thought this guy was a lunatic but these days he makes so much sense.
https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2023/08/bryan-leyland-net-zero-nonsense.html?m=1
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August 16, 2023 8:24am
- I remember when
  
  Begs the question for the Greens.
  If we are performing so badly by world standards why are Black Rock using us as ‘a virtue signalling excercise.’
  
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  August 16, 2023 9:42am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Because we’re cheap and run by easily conned/bought idiots would be my guess?
    
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    August 16, 2023 10:14am
- Grunter
  
  His final comment says it all….
  “Which leads to the obvious solution: abandon net zero, abandon the emissions trading scheme, stop subsidising electric cars, forget about agricultural greenhouse gases and rejoice that the increasing levels of carbon dioxide are making our plants grow better and making us all more prosperous.”
  
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  August 16, 2023 9:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Best we ignore all of this net zero, ETS, mining coal, drilling, leftist feel good shit, and just carry on as we did. What New Zealand can do will not have any effect on the Planet.
  Go away and stop the rubbish!!
  
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  August 16, 2023 10:02am
  - fredonas
    
    The problem is that change (and even chaos) is profitable as opposed to maintaining the status quo. The same applies to war in terms of being far more profitable than peace.
    
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    August 16, 2023 6:59pm
In Vino Veritas

I note the wee fella, Willie Jackson has been getting upset and name calling and being a wee bit abusive in Parliament. True colours I guess.
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August 16, 2023 8:28am
- rockape
  
  You can take the man out of the freezer works , but you can’t take the freezer works out of the man!
  
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  August 16, 2023 9:12am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Freezer works was a respectable job. Unlike his current gig.
    
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    August 16, 2023 10:15am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      He didn’t stay long on the chain tho’.. Jumped into the union offices at first opportunity.
      
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      August 16, 2023 10:27am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        I can’t imagine Willie on the chain, he’s such an annoying wee prick, one of the older blokes would have accidentally cut him. Or boofed him.
        
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        August 16, 2023 10:56am
- I remember when
  
  Surely you have a long list of newspaper articles highlighting Wee Willie’s disgraceful performance.
  Or, is it covered by the PIJF and the Treaty of Waitangi.
  
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  August 16, 2023 9:30am
- Prince
  
  [Mod – deleted, stop now]
  
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  August 16, 2023 9:35am
- Burtland
  
  Willies meddling with the media again … Graham Adams tries shining some light on Seymour’s challenge – doesnt look good
  
  https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2023/08/graham-adams-mainstream-media-mired-in.html
  
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  August 16, 2023 9:45am
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby-world-cup-2023/300951017/pisses-me-off-shock-as-england-captain-owen-farrells-red-card-is-overturned
Looks like the “independent judiciary panel” was paid off by the RFU to ensure Farrell plays in the RWC.
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August 16, 2023 8:31am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Certainly looks like a bit of rugby politics involved….
  
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  August 16, 2023 8:32am
- I remember when
  
  So Mr “Teflon” Farrell adds another stroke of good fortune to his list of ‘red card’ escapes.
  After this decision Sam Cane must be wondering how his incident ever qualified as a ‘red card.’
  The good news is that if it had been the other way around, the offending Tongan player would have received the same leniency.
  
  Yeah right!!!!
  
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  August 16, 2023 9:25am
- Prince
  
  His excuse was the player changed direction.
  Look at the video – that’s as plausible as Grant Robertson. Absolute bullshit.
  
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  August 16, 2023 9:37am
  - Colville
    
    I looked at the video.
    
    The Welsh back rower takes at least 5 strides in a straight line with zero vertical change..Farrell lines him up and absolutely smashes him in the chin with the shoulder…no arms at all… and Farrell is driving upward to really put the effort in.
    
    It should be 6 games ban minimum.
    
    Farrell has a LOT of form for this.
    
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    August 16, 2023 12:14pm
    - greybeard
      
      Here is a recent take on the incident:
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/300951117/england-captain-owen-farrell-must-be-banned–for-the-sake-of-rugby
      
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      August 16, 2023 12:25pm
      - Grunter
        
        A very good article (Stuff can only write on rugby it seems…..)
        Clearly a very wrong decision not to give him another ban. And based on his past record which is arguably the worst in world rugby, he should have got a 6 game ban.
        
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        August 16, 2023 1:50pm
Maggie Pie

The ‘placard’ says one thing….

their faces say they’re just taking the piss!

https://twitter.com/mikeall84403276/status/1691070699774062592
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August 16, 2023 8:31am
- I remember when
  
  Tamati doing a Sam Uffindell, expressing an opinion.
  Sam has the benefit of his ‘opinion’ drawing criticism, which means he getting longer lasting exposure.
  Any publicity is better than no publicity – just ask 90% of the Labour Party.
  
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  August 16, 2023 9:04am
- Debsta
  
  Who’s the tool?! 🙃
  
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  August 16, 2023 9:25am
- NZer In Exile
  
  The things the young ones will do to stay in the “in-crowd”!!
  
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  August 16, 2023 10:14pm
I remember when

WUWT:
The winds that hit Lahaina were NOT hurricane winds.
The winds that helped destroy Lahaina were caused by strong trade winds, produced mainly by enhanced high pressure to the north, interacting with Maui terrain to produce strong down slope winds.
These strong localised winds that were well predicted by the NOAA HRRR model and others.

The man-made part was not controlling excess long grass when the weather warmed and became drier.
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August 16, 2023 8:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yesterday I mentioned a helicopter pilot pointing out the grass that was a fire risk and nothing done about it. That was just on Oahu.
  
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  August 16, 2023 10:10am
- Ghost
  
  Last article I read was they suspect old power infrastructure caused the fire
  
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  August 16, 2023 10:18am
Maggie Pie

[Mod – this case has name suppression, so no posts that allow them to be identified on the the blog please, Thank you]
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August 16, 2023 8:39am
- Prince
  
  [Mod – you were told last night this case has name suppression, not to post anything that can identify them, if you continue to ignore this you will get a ban]
  
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  August 16, 2023 8:40am
  - NothingLeft
    
    This illustrates why name suppression is such a nonsense in our times. Here we have someone posting a name that at least one other poster and all moderators (so clearly a large number of population) know. Anyone who wants’ to find out a name relating to any rumour generally can within a minute on google/twitter. It’s all farcical.
    
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    August 16, 2023 4:22pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/cromwell-event-a-massive-success/
From yesterdays post, I do really think David Seymour and Chris Luxon need to have a close look at the real Treaty, not the Waitangi Tribunal one.

You two guys will hopefully be leading New Zealand. It would be good if you actually knew what you are leading.
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August 16, 2023 8:42am
- Grunter
  
  A hyper-sensitive conclusion to what Seymour said in my opinion.
  
  I think there are much bigger and more important battles for Stop Co-Governance to have than tackle Seymour on this one.
  
  You are creating a mountain out of a mole hill.
  
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  August 16, 2023 9:53am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    No mole hill from me.
    Stop Co-Governance and Julian Batchelor. I just link to the website and blog.
    
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    August 16, 2023 10:17am
I remember when

Carli LLoyd defends her comments on US women’s soccer: NY Times.
The former soccer star wasn’t apologizing after her criticism of the US Women’s World Cup team went viral.

Of course, if she was one of the usual media opinion piece writers, she wouldn’t be expected to do so.
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August 16, 2023 8:58am
Maggie Pie

My partner was saying the RB are likely to hold the OCR today.
That’s a shame for those with TD’s…with most banks sitting just under 6.

According to his broker Russia has just moved 350bps. Now at a very attractive 12% !
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August 16, 2023 9:09am
- Matt Long
  
  With Russian inflation rates down to 3% from 17% a year ago that sounds like a great ROI, gear it at 95% on a Forex account and the sky is the limit.
  How could one lose.
  
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  August 16, 2023 9:24am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I tried to buy Russian currency a couple of months back and was told I couldn’t do it? I’m not a trader, I was using https://wise.com/ which is really just for transferring money overseas. Roubles weren’t available.
    
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    August 16, 2023 10:22am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Lol Mags, if you fancy a few roubles. You’d need a wheelbarrow full to pay for a hotel room. You’d be better off getting 0 interest and buying a bucket of vomit.
  
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  August 16, 2023 11:04am
- NoFax
  
  The ruble has depreciated 40% this year alone, hence, the large increase in interest rates by the central bank. The ruble broke through the 100:1 against the USD but has pulled back a little but will continue to fall. So if you think 12% is a good return that has to be offset by a falling ruble. There is nothing to suggest that the downward trend will stop even with large interest rate increases.
  
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  August 16, 2023 11:25am
- mogg
  
  NZ Govt 10yr bond at 5%, not happened since 2010,
  Local govt 6 yr bond at 5.4%. Both superior credit rating and immediately liquid, who needs TD’s.
  Steel & Tube excellent company yielding 11.4% – results out today hope I don’t give them the kiss of death. Mr MP will put you right.
  
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  August 16, 2023 1:51pm
ClanMcleod

Some good news, just maybe, some people in authority are acknowledging that good people were punished and had their careers and personal lives destroyed in some cases, for a political narrative that had nothing to do with health.

Dr Alison Goodwin has had her suspension by the NZ Medical Council overturned.

Read this and remember just how totalitarian this country became, and still is, while the ability to repeat it has not been removed.

https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/08/16/nz-doctors-appeal-won/

Dr. Alison Goodwin had her practising certificate removed and has been required to attend a 12-month “re-education” programme after she advocated for informed consent in 2021 as the Covid-19 vaccines were being rolled out in New Zealand

Punished for doing her job properly. For advocating for informed consent!

In 2021 as the mRNA vaccine rolled out, Dr Goodwin simply adhered to MCNZ’s pre-existing Statement on Informed Consent, rather than its new Guidance Statement. She started speaking about risks, alternatives and uncertainties (as required for true informed consent) since the public messaging was only about purported benefits of the covid vaccine.

The NZ Medical Council should be under investigation and Dr Curtis Walker, head of NZMC should be under investigation for deliberatey distorting information in repeated inaccurate attempts (lies) to keep smearing Dr Goodwin.

I wonder what his payout is for these actions? At the very least Dr Goodwin should be substantially compensated and Walker should be stepping down for being completely inept at his job.

“It is reassuring that the courts have found again (as in each of our three challenges so far) that the actions of the MCNZ were unlawful. Yet again, they are told that suspending a doctor is not an appropriate response to speech the MCNZ disagrees with,” said Dr de Villiers. She is spokesperson for NZDSOS.

A great victory. Here’s hoping it is the start of many more so we can focus on sorting this country out. There’s much to be done.

Hopefully Luxon and Seymour are paying attention. Haven’t seen any comments from either yet on this massive decision and admission of wrongdoing.
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August 16, 2023 9:22am
- Grunter
  
  Thanks for this one Clan
  
  And to anyone still not convinced that our MSM (Stuffed, Herald, TVNZ, Newshub, Otago Daily Times etc) are not corrupt and totally biased, this is further evidence.
  
  Happy to be proven wrong if any of these organisations are reporting this story properly.
  
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  August 16, 2023 10:01am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yu can bet your bottom dollar that the NZ media will be lying about this.
    
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    August 16, 2023 10:36am
    - Mark Hanley
      
      Shouldn’t the GPs who didn’t check medsafe’s damning report on the Pfizer jab before they pushed the poison into our arms be before the medical council?
      
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      August 16, 2023 12:35pm
      - Ghost
        
        Why didn’t you do your own research before taking it?
        
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        August 16, 2023 12:45pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I don’t see North Korea mentioned anywhere.
  12 month re-education, and the ability to repeat it has not been removed.
  What the hell is going on in the socialist New Zealand World??
  
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  August 16, 2023 10:34am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Don’t forget Luxon wanted to re-educate Maureen Pugh on ‘climate change’. He gave her some ‘homework’ to fix her mind. /s
    
    NZ is in trouble.
    
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    August 16, 2023 10:42am
Lance

Bloody hell, I thought Megan Woods was a shrieking obnoxious purveyor of nonsense and bile when up against Mark Mitchell on ZB, but Jan Tinetti was way, way worse.
Not only constantly talking over the top of Mark and screaming when Mark tried to get a word in edgeways, she then went on the say gun crime was way worse under National than it is now because of the Christchurch massacre.
What an air-head
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August 16, 2023 9:26am
- Prince
  
  Um, who was in Govt for the ChCh massacre, and changed the gun laws 12 months prior, making it easier for the perpetrator? Labour.
  Also, of course, the Police (wrongly) approved his licence under a Labour Govt.
  
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  August 16, 2023 9:44am
- mandk
  
  I only heard the beginning, but I thought it was Ginny Anderson vs Mark Mitchell.
  
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  August 16, 2023 9:49am
  - Lance
    
    Bugger, my mistake, I was reading her name just before I wrote my comment and just wrote that down.
    My bad
    
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    August 16, 2023 10:09am
- Ruawai
  
  It was Ginny Anderson this morning with Mark and Mike on ZB.
  
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  August 16, 2023 9:55am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Lance.
  It was Ginny Andersen on with Hosking this morning, not Jan Tinetti.
  Pay attention.
  And yes, Ginny is an air-head.
  
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  August 16, 2023 10:16am
- HeatherW
  
  It was Ginny Andersen (current Police Minister) rather than Jan Tinetti.
  Ginny sounded like she had been taking lessons from Megan (let me finish) Woods.
  
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  August 16, 2023 10:35am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Air head indeed! What the hell would she know about guns? They go bang.
  Now what would she do if armed gang members were threatening her in her house?
  Well, call someone with a gun of course! Air head is too kind. Blatantly stupid is better.
  
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  August 16, 2023 10:43am
- gravedodger
  
  Megan Woods was a no show on Hosking Politics Wednesday after 0800 this morning August 16th replaced with Ginny “The Gab” Anderson Min of Police, the fourth in very quick succession in a sledge from Mitchell
  
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  August 16, 2023 1:04pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Come on, puleeeze.
  She wasn’t screaming at all. That is not screaming in anyone’s book surely. Leave hyperbole to the lefties talking about Trans genocide.
  She only raised her voice a bit over the ‘worst gun crime’ thing, and trying to bring in the Mosque shooting (as a weak deflection).
  For the most part, she listened quietly when Mark Mitchell was talking, and then Mark spoke over the top of her.
  I noted that Ginny was a LOT softer than [Mod – leave the insults out]. Megan Woods seems to be scolding Mark telling him he is speaking rubbish, or to let her speak any time he tries (ineffectively) to interject.
  Megan Woods is 100x worse as she twists and turns and too often seems to get the better or the equal of Mark through bullishness and bullshittery.
  If you thought Ginny was coming on strong compared to that, take another listen or get a second opinion.
  A couple of times Ginny even laughed in a light hearted way, until the very end bit around gun crime.
  So jeez, don’t dail it up to 11.
  Not a Ginny fan but she was just like a school girl compared to the much stronger personality of Megan.
  Mark even managed to complete some pretty long monologues for once!
  
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  August 16, 2023 1:14pm
Maggie Pie

‘THIS POST HAS BEEN DELETED’

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1691552843939877204

LOL!!
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August 16, 2023 9:34am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jr is just like his Dad.
  
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  August 16, 2023 10:45am
Warren

Grant Robertson, Willie Jackson’s personal attacks have ‘end of School year feel’. Christopher Luxon says.
National Party Leader Christopher Luxon is unfazed by personal comments made by some of his opponents towards some of his MP’s in the house on Tuesday.
Luxon told the AM Show on Wednesday they were signs of a Government “out of ideas, out of touch and out of time”.
“It’s got aend ofSchool- year feel to it and, frankly I think when you watch, Grant Robertson’s remarks in particular I think he just needs a holiday and we are going to give him one on October 14” Luxon to Co- Host Laura Tupou.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/08/grant-robertson-willie-jackson-s-personal-attacks-have-end-of-school-year-feel-christopher-luxon-says.html
It has got the feel of a nasty exit from
this politically corrupt Government and shows they will do anything to stay in power.
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August 16, 2023 9:45am
- sparkhole
  
  “I think he just needs a holiday and we are going to give him one on October 14”
  
  That’s hilarious, I hope we hear more of this from Chris Luxon.
  
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  August 16, 2023 10:33am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    ““out of ideas, out of touch and out of time”.”
    
    Well said. The ‘GST on vegetables’ pitch is a classic sign of no more ideas. I mean, on the big issues, what can they promise?
    
    That they are going to build 100,000 houses?
    
    Fix the health and education systems?
    
    Stop rampant crime?
    
    All the excuses for “Why didn’t you do your homework?” have been used up. 🙂
    
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    August 16, 2023 1:59pm
Taieri

“Covid and Covid mandates can also be blamed for the very sad loss of innocence within our communities, for the erosion of trust in science and in scientists, experts and the government, and for divisions in our society which have fuelled the malign rise of misinformation and disinformation.”

Says the Otago Daily Times in today’s editorial…

No mention of the role the media, including ODT, played in all this.
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August 16, 2023 9:47am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Typical idiotic, semi literate garbage from the mainstream media. Covid did NOTHING. The ‘scientists’ and ‘experts’ and politicians moronic response to covid are fully responsible:
  
  “for the erosion of trust in science and in scientists, experts and the government, and for divisions in our society which have fuelled the malign rise of misinformation and disinformation.”
  
  And the only mis and disinformation came from these same people. It continues to come from them as they attempt to cover their arses, now that their narrative is collapsing.
  
  Covid didn’t do a thing, these people did. Never forgive, never forget.
  
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  August 16, 2023 10:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Last four words belong on a tee shirt.
    
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    August 16, 2023 10:51am
    - Keith White
      
      Such is already underway. With one extra phrase.
      
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      August 16, 2023 11:10am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I can only guess Keith.
        
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        August 16, 2023 4:40pm
- Grunter
  
  I canceled my ODT sub a while back. They are truly an awful, woke & wet daily. Their coverage of the climate scam, all things covid, the 3-waters theft, co-governance and twisting of local history is a disgrace.
  
  AND they sacked Tremain a few years back for his hilarious cartoon on measles in Samoa.
  
  I can’t wait for the day the ODT goes bust and they close down and stop the propaganda.
  
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  August 16, 2023 11:29am
- NoFax
  
  If scientists, governments, and media lie then the correct conclusion is not to trust them. That’s not mis or dis information.
  
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  August 16, 2023 11:29am
Yvette

From yesterdays Hansard this is part of the slur that gave offence –

• Hon WILLIE JACKSON: … As I keep saying, this person here was advocating for the tobacco companies, advocating against the average New Zealander. He should hang his head in shame, but now he’s an honourable member, some say.

But Jackson was perhaps echoing a comment made by Shane Jones, which may possibly be characterised is not only a slur, that more accurately: a racial slur–

• “Mr Bishop came from the tobacco industry so he’s a tough character and I’m sure he suffered no moral misgivings about his old industry, the tobacco industry, which has killed so many Māori women. So we’re dealing with a new level of vilification but one or three of us in parliament are made of sterner stuff than that and what goes around comes around,” Mr Jones says

This, Shane, is an example of “what goes around comes around” but Willie Jackson, as well as being offensive, does not appear to have been very clear or original
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August 16, 2023 9:59am
- Inandout
  
  Yvette, if Jackson were to become GG.
  https://www.dpmc.govt.nz/our-programmes/new-zealand-royal-honours/new-zealand-royal-honours-system/types-new-zealand-royal-honours/the-right-honourable/the-right-honourable-in-new-zealand
  
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  August 16, 2023 10:30am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Please no. is head is big enough already.
    
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    August 16, 2023 10:58am
- BeaB
  
  Didn’t Hipkins work for Big Oil? The horror!
  
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  August 16, 2023 11:33am
Maggie Pie

Talkback caller tells host… “Aotearoa has become like a banana republic”

Best description I could find:

Banana Republic. (n) lawless society where the monkeys rule.

– Sol Luckman

LOL!!
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August 16, 2023 10:07am
I remember when

Cyclone Gabrielle: Power failure knocked out flood warning system not water: HB Today.
Two independent revies have found the failure of backup power supplies at a repeater station knocked out telemetry from dozens of rainfall and water level meters during Cyclone Gabrielle.
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August 16, 2023 10:17am
gorse

I just watched a 5 minute interview of Chris Luxon on Stuff. I could hardly hear the questions but they must have all been about National not supporting the GST removal. He repeated the same answer over and over again. Why don’t the media accept his first answer and move on? Remember the definition of stupidity? In this case asking the same question over and over again and expecting a different answer. He patiently stuck to his viewpoint, over and over again.
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August 16, 2023 10:28am
- Blog-aholic
  
  It is called goading. They think if they goad enough they will elicit a rise…..They have been manipulated to be this way by people like Jackson who spends his life goading other humans…..
  
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  August 16, 2023 10:42am
Bridgenag

Vaccine Provider Incentive Program:
from Anthem/Blue Cross/Blue Shield COVID-19

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/vaccine-provider-incentive-program?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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August 16, 2023 10:44am
- miltonF
  
  “Imagine being the person who’s life is destroyed by myocarditis and finding out- you were sold for 50 bucks”
  
  Ouch…great comment
  
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  August 16, 2023 5:48pm
Bridgenag

Why you can’t trust the US government data
Steve Kirsch….In this article, I will show you why government data is not trustable. That is why I personally prefer anecdotes that are verifiable when trying to figure out what is really going on.

https://open.substack.com/pub/stevekirsch/p/why-you-cant-trust-the-us-government?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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August 16, 2023 10:45am
Observant Octagenarian

Can’t wait for the price of my beloved Californian grapes to come down when GST is removed. Also pineapple, persimmon, guava and figs.
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August 16, 2023 11:02am
- Mummy
  
  Yesterday in PaknSave they had a 2 for $5 day. Does this mean that when GST comes off fresh veges it will be 2 for $4.74?
  
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  August 16, 2023 12:32pm
  - gravedodger
    
    Err no Mummy and you will need a forensic computer program to discover any 15% discounted pricing anywhere in the Veeable, Vegetables with no GST, department. (Hat Tip to Garrick Tremain)
    However we are assured by CHipkins, the Commissar will see us through the price gouging, so do not stress.
    
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    August 16, 2023 1:13pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Election management software?
This incestuous collaboration between the Department of Homeland Security, and the Election Assistance Commission allowed for real-time precinct monitoring, but even more alarming is the fact that they can actually switch votes from one candidate to another.

https://billingsreport.com/engineers-discover-nationwide-cellular-network-connects-election-equipment-to-the-federal-government-who-can-change-the-votes/
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August 16, 2023 11:07am
Jack5

Of Shaneel Lal and the Kiwibank awards …

Controversial (to put it lightly) Shaneel Lal is a speaker at a “Word” festival in Christchurch supported by the City Council. Dan Carter’s book will be promoted there, too, so the festival’s not 100 per cent Leftist and Woke.

Lal is described in promotion as “2023 Young New Zealander of the Year”, but many of us mentally fill in this title as “Kiwibank 2023 Young New Zealander of the Year”.

At the link at the bottom of this post you can read the “NZ’er of the Year” awards, described there as the Kiwibank New Zealander of the Year awards (plural), and that’s how most of us know them. However, the Young New Zealander of the Year award, including the latest, Lal’s, is promoted under the title University of Canterbury Young New Zealander of the Year.

Kiwibank’s name is retained in the Kiwibank New Zealander of the Year award and Kiwibank Local Hero of the Year award. Sponsors for other awards in the group include, Spark, Mitre 10, and Ryman Healthcare.

But can Kiwibank distance itself it from Lal in people’s minds?

Who have Kiwibank’s (purely Kiwibank) New Zealander of the Year awards gone to?

In 2023 it’s Rangi Matamua, who lectures in Maori astronomy. He’s is described as the man behind the Matariki holiday – or in the bank’s words, the Matariki celebration. In 2022, it was Tipene O’Regan, leader of Ngai Tahu in its Treaty settlement claims. In 2021, it was Siouxie Wiles, of Covid notoriety and one of the instigators of the open letter criticising the Listener 7 – the scientists who questioned whether Maori knowledge is science.

Nominations are now open for what the organisers call the 2024 Kiwibank New Zealander of the Year Awards. The use of “awards” in plural rather than “award” links of all them to Kiwibank, thus including Lal’s.

This year’s nominations close on August 31.

https://nzawards.org.nz/
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August 16, 2023 11:17am
- Maggie Pie
  
  And here’s the ‘man’ himself 😛
  
  https://twitter.com/shaneellall/status/1689931662690521088
  
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  August 16, 2023 11:40am
  - Jack5
    
    Lal is referred to in the “Word” festival with the Woke plural gender – they instead of him.
    
    When he takes a solo selfie of ~~himself~~ theirself, does Lal caption it “a picture of us” or does he tap in “a picture of ourselves” ?
    
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    August 16, 2023 12:02pm
- wilderbeast
  
  Yes, seems a lot of people are scrambling to claim Matariki as they’re brain child. One of them must be right because as I’ve posted previously the word “Matariki” did not appear in about 12 editions of the Raupo Maori dictionary between 1958 and 2011. No doubt they’ve added it in since. Shas certainly invented or embellished in the last 10 years.
  
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  August 16, 2023 2:20pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Well Subaru wanted this Matariki thing to boost sales.
    Many names for this constellation. Pick the one best suited to your Country.//
    
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    August 16, 2023 5:05pm
alex Masterley

In my office we have morning tea at 11am.
The staff – young lawyers and four support staff are discussing Labour’s gst policy.
The derisive language being used to describe the policy is a pleasure to listen to.
Not unsurprisingly Winston is not a favourite either.
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August 16, 2023 11:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He is favourite of the corrupt media. No sarc, OK?
  
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  August 16, 2023 5:06pm
Maggie Pie

Coming to Primary-Schools thruout NZ….

‘IN MY DADDY’S BELLY’

https://biggerpicturebooks.com/

(Click on image to order now)
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August 16, 2023 11:34am
- Blog-aholic
  
  On who.is all the regristrant info is ‘redacted for privacy’. Clearly they want to lie low.
  
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  August 16, 2023 11:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Is there a neck I can grab??
  
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  August 16, 2023 5:08pm
bjools

With all the valedictory speeches.
Are the (I hate call them this) RATS leaving the sinking ship?
Afterall, they have behaved like rats.
Eaten all the goodies
Spoiled the rest
Shit on anything useful
Not contributed to the sailing of the ship
and now that it is in disrepair, they are abandoning it.
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August 16, 2023 11:45am
thirteenstars

Headline: “Trans row over ‘females only’ lesbian speed dating after male with ‘erect penis’ attended”

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1801686/lesbian-speed-dating-transphobia

I posted that here the other day and now Andrew Doyle from GB News has interviewed the two women who run the event:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMIvcYNo2Zo

It’s a fascinating expose of the deeply political and ideological motivations of the trans activists. And again, we can see why so many lesbian women support Posie Parker. Well worth the watch.
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August 16, 2023 11:49am
cmm

Are we really supposed to believe that 80% of Maori experience state of systemic violence?

“Over 70 per cent had experienced abuse or abuse of power from Winz (now Work and Income) or the education system, the health system, the police, and the justice system, and over 80 per cent had experienced racism from the same agencies.”

What exactly is abuse of power from Winz? Is saying “no you can’t have more money. You’ve already used up all your entitlements and handouts for the month” abuse of power?

“Almost 60 per cent of respondents or their whānau had experienced police violence in their lives.”

I wonder what they’re calling “police violence”? Is putting on handcuffs or tackling a fleeing suspect “violence”?

“Around two-thirds of participants had experienced sexual violence, and almost 90 per cent had seen or witnessed physical violence in their lifetime.”

Was that sexual violence and physical violence all committed by the government and the system? I’m thinking most of it was committed by rellies and criminals in the community.

And I’m really surprised only 90% have said they have witnessed violence. I am surprised it isn’t 100%. Drive by a fight and you’ve witnessed violence.

The problem with these sorts of survey is that they are intended to find a certain conclusion and will invite people to use the most broad definitions of violence etc. They don’t really provide any information at all. Still cost us a bundle though.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/maori-survey-finds-four-out-of-five-of-respondents-say-state-or-systemic-violence-impacted-their-wellbeing/MS4UGMZZMNHLXC3F3LPKIDJJVY/
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August 16, 2023 12:24pm
Maggie Pie

Quite sadden to read that KLM Hostie Marja Lubeck is leaving parliament.

She was always good for a laugh.
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August 16, 2023 1:12pm
- cmm
  
  I wonder whether she’ll be serving bubbly in First Class again?
  
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  August 16, 2023 1:22pm
- NothingLeft
  
  She was going whether she wanted to or not.
  
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  August 16, 2023 4:26pm
kevn

or more likely cheap wine and beers in cattle class.
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August 16, 2023 1:35pm
- Keith White
  
  The trolley dollies don’t call us cattle class any more. They call us SLF…
  
  …Self Loading Freight.
  
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  August 16, 2023 2:10pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Why do they always run out of Jack Daniels or any other whiskey after I have had tree?
  If I wanted to be pissed I would have pre-loaded. So good on 9 1/2 hours to Hawaii to have something nice.
  The rowdies that don’t usually drink much spoil it for us.
  
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  August 16, 2023 5:18pm
Warren

Recycling in New Zealand is a fraud says landfill expert.
Waste Management Chemical Engineer Timothy Brake said “we can’t recycle our way out of the Climate Crisis”.
Recycling a plastic bottle into meat trays, for example, he says delays the disposal of the plastic drink bottle by about a couple of weeks, also said a small fraction of our rubbish is recycled,
and when it is, it is often a mere delay to it ending up in landfills shedding microplastics in the environment in the process.
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/business/recycling-a-fraud-and-food-scraps-collection-subsidised-greenwashing-landfill-engineer-says/
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August 16, 2023 1:48pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  1 – What climate crisis?
  2 – Who on earth ever suggested that recycling would bring an end to it, if it did exist?
  
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  August 16, 2023 2:54pm
Benedict Yu

Just heard Nicola Willis interviewed on The Platform. She was asked whether biological women should be allowed to compete in women’s sport. Answer: “National has no position on that.”

Of course there is only one sensible answer. Internationally, the governing bodies for athletics, swimming and cycling have all made the right decision. More sports will follow.

However it is not just at the elite level this is a problem. It is a problem at school and club levels.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11342755/Female-high-school-volleyball-player-suffers-head-injury-transgender-girl-lobbed-ball.html

I understand Nicola Willis. The debate on transgender issues is now utterly toxic. If she had told Sean Plunkett that trans women should be barred from competing in women’s sports, she would have been in the headlines in the New Zealand media. “Nicola Willis transphobic.”

Sanity will prevail on this issue. But there is a way to go. Chances of New Zealand politicians showing leadership? zero.
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August 16, 2023 1:52pm
- Grunter
  
  Plunket also asked her “what about biological men with a penis being allowed in women changing rooms at the municipal pool?”
  
  Willis again dodged the question – “Its up to each facility….”
  
  NO! No! No!
  
  What a disgrace. A female deputy leader of National saying this crap FFS!
  
  The only answer to a man in the women change rooms is a decent kick to the nuts and told to phark off!
  
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  August 16, 2023 2:07pm
  - Ghost
    
    Public pools are council owned, its up to the council and ratepayers
    
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    August 16, 2023 2:18pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “Up to ratepayers” How are ‘ratepayers’ going tp protect the private spaces for women and girls from men?
      
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      August 16, 2023 2:45pm
      - cmm
        
        What exactly is the “protection” they need?
        
        Sure if a male is groping a female (or a female groping a female, or a male groping a male or whatever) that is unacceptable and is sexual assault etc and we already have laws to deal with that.
        
        But why do we really need to worry about what bits someone has?
        
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        August 16, 2023 3:40pm
      - Ghost
        
        If those private spaces are in council run facilities then they pressure the council.
        
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        August 16, 2023 4:04pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    You can’t lay all the blame on Nicola. Given the state of the New Zealand media, she is stuck. If she had answered the question, she would have been attacked up and down the country as transphobic.
    
    For the same reason you won’t see a National MP anywhere near Kellie Jay Keen on 20 September. All MPs will be ordered to stay silent.
    
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    August 16, 2023 2:47pm
    - Albie
      
      Agree Benedict. I listened to the interview, and while on a personal level I would have liked her to take a more definitive line in her response, I accept it is 2023 and National are not only up against 3 opposition parties trying to take them down, but the majority of our media have the same agenda.
      They just need to keep their heads down until Oct 24.
      We need to leave it to ACT to set the agenda for the centre right, that’s just the way it works under MMP unfortunately.
      
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      August 16, 2023 4:29pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “The only answer to a man in the women change rooms is a decent kick to the nuts and told to phark off!”
    
    If you were to adopt such a stance at any public facility in New Zealand in relation to a trans woman you would be banned from the facility. You may be named, doxxed, and have your career destroyed.
    
    This is an example from the USA, however it is no different here.
    
    https://www.sportskeeda.com/swimming/news-riley-gaines-reveals-lia-thomas-female-teammates-asked-seek-counseling-uncomfortable-seeing-male-genitalia
    
    “When they [female teammates] sent an email to their administration expressing, along with their parents on the email, expressing their discomfort in the locker room, their administration responded back with, if you feel uncomfortable, seeing male genitalia in your locker room, here are some counseling resources that you should seek,” she said.”
    
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    August 16, 2023 2:56pm
    - cmm
      
      I understand we have norms in society, and this is really what this is about. We live in societies where people are herded into different rooms depending on their body parts.
      
      Why should anyone really get upset if the person changing in the room with them has different bits of meat hanging off their bodies?
      
      How is that really different to a skinny person dressing next to a fat person or a black person changing next to a white person?
      
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      August 16, 2023 3:36pm
  - I remember when
    
    Grunter:
    YES1 Yes! Yes!
    
    The last thing any sport needs is the government deciding how they run their sport.
    It is bad enough that organisations like FIFA can butt their way into local competitions.
    As much as is humanly possible, local sport should be run by local members who are responsible to the local community.
    The local community will ensure that officials are promptly corrected and made aware of the consequences any stupid decisions.
    Few sports can afford to watch their numbers drastically reduce.
    
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    August 16, 2023 4:55pm
- kevn
  
  BY…. Hardly a gummint thing.
  Maybe the actual sporting bodies should decide. Like in a few instances overseas.
  
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  August 16, 2023 2:35pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “Maybe the actual sporting bodies should decide. ”
    
    I disagree. The damage is already being done. Just from an hour ago, a ‘trans woman’ smashes the world power lifting record. From out of nowhere.
    
    “‘Absolute farce’: Trans powerlifter slammed after beating unofficial world record”
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIoqbeGeqpQ&ab_channel=SkyNewsAustralia
    
    That person on the podium is a man. It is as simple as that.
    
    What about schools sports? The Government regulates what foods children can eat at school. Are you saying that they should not protect girls from being trashed in girls sports?
    
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    August 16, 2023 2:42pm
    - Warren
      
      It doesn’t mater what opinion any National MP has its best left to the Government of the day to comment as if Christopher Luxon or Nicola Willis had commented Labour and the media would twist it to do irreparable damage to Nationals hope of being the next Government.
      
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      August 16, 2023 3:10pm
    - cmm
      
      ” Just from an hour ago, a ‘trans woman’ smashes the world power lifting record.”
      
      These records can be revoked, just like those of the East German “ladies” in the 1980s and the various drug cheats through history.
      
      Sure, the people who competed in those events might have lost the glory of standing on the podium, but the long term damage is low.
      
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      August 16, 2023 3:11pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “These records can be revoked, just like those of the East German “ladies” in the 1980s and the various drug cheats through history.”
        
        The athletics records of East German women in the 1980s still stand.
        
        Notably, Marita Koch still holds the 400 metres record, set in 1985, and which may never be broken. Certainly nobody has come close.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marita_Koch
        
        We cannot simply lie down and watch a bunch of men destroy womens sports.
        
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        August 16, 2023 3:31pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It was still a yes or no answer that she avoided, but seeing as the media would tear he to bits, I think she gave the right answer.
  “No position” is something the bastard media will remember, in the future.
  Be careful Ms Willis. We are dealing with desperate nasty people here in the media.
  
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  August 16, 2023 5:26pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    People there* not here.
    
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    August 16, 2023 5:27pm
cmm

The whole bunfight over trans athletes in women’s sports events got me thinking a bit last night: why are there so many women’s sports?

Sure, I get that men are generally stronger/heavier/faster so it makes sense to have special women’s categories for sports where these are a major factor (running, swimming, shot put, boxing,…)

But then there are a bunch of sports which are more skills based and strength does not matter (or matters very little). For example darts. You don’t need strength to throw a dart. Weight isn’t an advantage. Nor height (well not much). So why the need to give women a special category?

Same for target shooting. Women and men perform about the same with the same equipment, so why even split the sport?

Yet only a few sports do this (eq equestrian). Why?
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August 16, 2023 3:31pm
- Keith White
  
  Chivalry dies only slowly.
  
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  August 16, 2023 3:38pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Snooker. I know a little about this.
  
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  August 16, 2023 5:55pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Biden wants to send another $20 plus billion to Ukraine but can’t be bothered to visit Maui. When will Americans get that JOE Biden does not give a fuck about America and Americans, only their Tax money?
Biden and Harris don’t want to distract the relief efforts? Do they realise that a high percentage of Americans hate their guts? Hawaii is Democrat Country!

https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2023/08/maui-burns-while-biden-rides-his-bike-says-no-comment-when-asked-about-it-video/
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August 16, 2023 3:55pm
- Ghost
  
  It’s ok, he’s sending $50 million to Hawaii……
  
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  August 16, 2023 4:01pm
- Vory v zakone
  
  Maui residents: ‘Please help. We’ve lost everything’
  
  #CrookedJoeBiden: ‘Here’s a one time $700 payment, Jack. F*ck you think you’re Ukraine?’
  
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  August 16, 2023 4:20pm
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  Absolutely the last thing Maui needs at the point is the distraction and burden of dealing with a Presidential visit.
  
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  August 16, 2023 5:35pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Well Joe could bring some pallet loads of cash.
    He has done this before – or was that Obama?
    
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    August 16, 2023 5:58pm
Maggie Pie

My partners mum retweets….

‘I’d have thought this old hag would have given it away by now?’ 😀

https://twitter.com/DarienFenton/status/1691646163479642456
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August 16, 2023 4:06pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Who?
  
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  August 16, 2023 4:36pm
Rumblestrip

Dickason is guilty of murder. From the beginning, I thought this is how it would go.

It is easy to assume that if someone is seriously mentally ill, they bear reduced or no responsibility for their actions.

In reality, it is possible to for someone to be mentally unwell, even severely unwell, yet still understand the difference between right and wrong.

Lauren Dickason was mentally ill. But she knew she was killing her children, and knew it was wrong. That was revealed by her actions before and after the murders, and comments she made in interviews with police. There was clearly premeditation, revealed by her Google search history many weeks before the killings.

At the end of the day though, the verdict is somewhat irrelevant. There was never any question that Lauren Dickason was the perpetrator, and mental illness was the driver of her actions. Nothing will bring those girls back, and Dickason will be a broken shell for the rest of her life. It’s a tragedy for the whole community.
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August 16, 2023 4:33pm
Maggie Pie

Came across the most fab sounding recipe for a creamy ‘Chicken-Stroganoff’ on twitter earlier, so have made it for dinner. Spooned over Cauliflower Rice.

Can just hear my partner when he walks in the door tonite… “Where did you get the mushrooms from?”
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August 16, 2023 5:35pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It rained, northerly breeze soon.
  Tell me I am wrong and mushrooms just over there behind the lemon tree.
  
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  August 16, 2023 6:32pm
Ghost

Judge Savage strikes again.

Todays case sees a man get 3 months home detention. A Temuka man who sexually groomed a 14-year-old girl will not be added to the Child Sex Offender Register.

Two other cases

Home detention for indecent act on teenager

Intimate recording conviction avoided due to deportation threat
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August 16, 2023 6:57pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Appointed to the bench a few months back by David Parker.
  Ex Public Defender.
  Tells you all you need to know.
  
  Might have been better appointed to the board of Briscoes?
  
  SHEESH!
  
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  August 16, 2023 7:17pm
Maggie Pie

Big trouble in little Chynah?

According to MSNBC one of China’s shadow banks, Zhongrong, with more than a trillion under management, have missed hundreds of payments ….

My partner reckons it smells like something big is up 🙁
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August 16, 2023 8:14pm
NZer In Exile

Reality Check Radio: Energy consulting engineer Bryan Leyland joins Paul to discuss the Government’s proposals to transition to 100 percent renewable energy following the announcement of the BlackRock fund.

https://realitycheck.radio/bryan-leyland-on-the-proposal-to-transition-to-100-renewable-energy-after-government-accept-blackrock-fund/

TLDR. It’s based on blind faith that it can work. With the current technologies they intend to use, it will result in energy blackouts and therefore economic destruction.
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