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westernScientist

More land theft: https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/300940076/longtime-farming-families-object-to-councils-handling-of-mori-designations
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August 9, 2023 8:02am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Once upon a time this would have been a good yarn and a laugh down at the local over a pint or two. Now it is an ugly reality. Inch by inch the private land in NZ is being taken.
  
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  August 9, 2023 8:31am
- Simon
  
  Woke council using mumbo jumbo to exert control over private productive land. This is a borg.govt.nz move. Will also depress the value of land and make it harder for farmers to produce. Its win win for council borg. You will own nothing and will be happy.
  
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  August 9, 2023 8:57am
  - DimChappie
    
    What is this borg you mention, can’t find it on google, is it English language?
    
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    August 9, 2023 9:46am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      Resistance is Futile, you will be assimilated.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg
      
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      August 9, 2023 10:08am
    - Ehlana
      
      They are humans forcibly turned into part robots in Star Trek. They’re controlled by a group mind and known for the lines: “We are Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.”
      
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      August 9, 2023 10:15am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        ….Mostly found amassed within 1km of the beehive, and resting up at Astoria.
        
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        August 9, 2023 2:13pm
- John Loveridge
  
  This is evil shit. There seems to be no accountability – Maoris can just designate with impunity according to whatever bullshit they make up on the spot.
  
  Reminds me of the old Kevin Bloody Wilson song: “hey, this place looks alright – we’ll go tell the guvmint it’s a sacred site.”
  
  What all this all inevitably leads to is massive corruption on a Third World scale. Pay the iwi tax or you won’t even be able to fart on your own land.
  
  It all has to stop.
  
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  August 9, 2023 9:07am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    All part of the Coup happening now.
    
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    August 9, 2023 10:09am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Coup Governance
      
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      August 9, 2023 2:13pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        That’s brilliant!
        
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        August 9, 2023 4:38pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    And given that most Maori in the South Island lived near Lake Ellesmere and Lake Forsyth with the Mamoe also living at Rakaia. Sure, the Mamoe were driven south by Ngai Tahu, but it was a perpetual intergenerational battle that ended up at Te Anau with the Mamoe being slaughtered. In terms of numbers, there were hardly any of them, Ngai Tahu or Mamoe. So a few hundred, or even a few thousand wouldn’t or couldn’t have created areas of blanket significance. The whole thing is a joke.
    
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    August 9, 2023 10:26am
    - Swifty
      
      Raciiiiiiiiist!
      
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      August 9, 2023 12:05pm
  - riffer
    
    Go make a complaint to the Waitangi Tribunal then. The irony of pakeha complaining about their land being stolen by Maori is not lost on most people who have read about what happened to Maori land.
    
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    August 9, 2023 2:04pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      No
      
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      August 9, 2023 4:24pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      It would be great if the crown vigorously tested land claims.
      
      They basically rubber stamp them and that’s why we have continual claims with spurious proof.
      
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      August 9, 2023 4:49pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “Reminds me of the old Kevin Bloody Wilson song: “hey, this place looks alright – we’ll go tell the guvmint it’s a sacred site.””
    
    Hahaha. Gotta love that pre-woketard humour!
    
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    August 9, 2023 2:25pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  On this subject a number of Aussie public listed companies have been supporingt the The Voice Yes campaign with donations of several millions of dollar in some cases. Coles and Woolies were broadcasting messages to support Yes in their stores until customers and staff complained.
  In the early stages Yes was ahead now its No on 56% and rising. This illustrates that large public listed companies (NZX) should not support political or social causes and must not use their shareholders funds to do so.
  Up to 10/15 years ago a number of NZX companies made donations to political parties the smart ones giving equally to the Nats and Labour. Following advocacy from groups like the NZ Shareholders Assn this as now stopped. However we still see virtual signalling and Wokeness from NZX companies. The Directors CEOs and senior management should stick to the knitting of maximising returns to their shareholders NOT indulging their personal Social Warrior Crusades.
  
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  August 9, 2023 9:26am
  - Matt Long
    
    So why are the corporates almost universally going woke?
    Is it because of Blackrock’s universal shareholding and the power of ESG or some other universal sickness?
    
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    August 9, 2023 10:27am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Matt, funds like Blackrock are doing it for one reason, money. All over the world fund managers fees have been dropping for years. ESG and DEI have given them an in to increase their fees and make more money. Forget believing that they are for any of this shit. They just want the money. And the executives don’t care how they get it.
      
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      August 9, 2023 10:40am
      - Clownworld
        
        The profit is a minor consideration. Control is their aim. ESG and DEI is not just about money it is about preparing people for a totalitarian despot wolf dressed in peace and charisma.
        
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        August 9, 2023 1:05pm
      - Jim
        
        Agree, yesterday’s government announcement of a partnership (hahaha euphemism for societal takeover) with Black Rock spells concern for what ESG strings will be attached.
        NZ is already awash with it, so don’t be surprised if your son Hunter comes home from school aged seven and says “my new name is Teloula and my pronouns are…….”
        
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        August 10, 2023 3:36am
  - cmm
    
    They get pressured into it by highly vocal activists – both external and internal to the companies. Threats of boycotts, talk of staff wellbeing, etc etc.
    
    The more polite “silent Tories” get ignored until they’ve had enough.
    
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    August 9, 2023 11:30am
  - Jim
    
    Likely to be ESG involvement right there. It’ll be endorsed from the top, so don’t think it’s a rogue snowflake in the PR department that does such things.
    
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    August 10, 2023 3:30am
- Dougal10
  
  Is the Timaru council staff members name who is driving this Hamish. If it is he has previous form stirring up this shit.
  
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  August 9, 2023 10:01am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Oral history huh? Entirely believable. My ancestors were Mid-Canterbury farmers. The oral history passed down through our family was that Maori were feckless and lazy, who spend their time drinking and fighting and who lie like flat fish. Maybe the council will take into account that oral history.
  
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  August 9, 2023 10:11am
- alex Masterley
  
  The same thing is happening in the Hauraki Gulf. New protected areas where unless you are TW fishing is prohibited. Areas include north of Gardners Gap and the noises.
  
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  August 9, 2023 10:35am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Jeez Alex, Gardiners is right up to Billy Goat point. The laughable thing about them all is that the DOC and Fisheries Objectives have the following: Conserve and protect cultural and spiritual values and practices associated with nature according to tikanga such as solitude, protection of wāhi tapu and connection to tupuna.
    What a complete joke.
    
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    August 9, 2023 11:04am
- gravedodger
  
  Meanwhile on another planet, West Australia has abandoned such racist nonsense that saw two native entities interrupting a state minister opening a road while they argued over who was gunna collect the “Toll”.
  Not because an entity had to be identified then satisfied with money to permit digging a post hole for a “New” fence.
  Not because it was racist nonsense,
  Not because it was confusing and an impost on productive activity,
  Only because it was damaging Albanese’s trip to infamy over the “Voice to Federal Parliament”?
  The state legislated stupidity was a clear message as to what was coming down the line for voters with the most divisive attempt to put racist claptrap into the Constitution?.
  
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  August 9, 2023 10:39am
- thirteenstars
  
  The sad irony here is that it was Timaru District that led the charge against Three Waters and withdrew from Local Government NZ.
  
  One step forward, two steps back.
  
  Until ratepayers get organised and actively petition councils with their grievances nothing will improve. Until they turn up at council meeting in force to make their presence and displeasure felt it’ll be business as usual. It’s possible the local ratepayers association is captured by the same ideology that has captured councils.
  
  Yet I still sense that most Kiwis wouldn’t have a clue where all this came from, how long it’s been bubbling under, how cunning the strategy is, and the size of the tidal wave about to engulf them. Many think it’s just a few troublemakers that need to be rooted out.
  
  ACT is pretty staunch on this stuff but I doubt National’s grit. Central government is a big enough problem but it’s really local councils where people need to take control back from the ideologues who are in charge.
  
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  August 9, 2023 11:00am
- Bullion
  
  No problem with Maori land being stolen obviously.
  
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  August 9, 2023 11:30am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Apparently neither did the Maori because for centuries before non-Maori arrived the tribes were constantly at war stealing land and resources–including people as slaves and as food–from each other.
    
    But when the big white tribe arrives they cry foul?
    
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    August 9, 2023 12:02pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    You have a point, that Maori should be sympathetic to assets or land being taken by decree with no compensation. Because they know what that is like, and 2 wrongs are not a right.
    
    That said, what specific information do you have that these farms were ‘stolen’?
    
    Maori land was gifted, conquered, purchased, confiscated and changed hands through a number of means both fair and foul.
    The blanket “you stole our land” mantra is lazy and wrong, without specific understanding of that particular whenua.
    
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    August 9, 2023 1:00pm
Souvlaki

David Seymour raises two interesting points yesterday:

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2308/S00052/jackson-should-deny-meeting-with-media-on-treaty-principles.htm

and this ….with the aid of the ‘retrospectoscope’ could be true!:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/acts-david-seymour-jokes-he-suspected-tv-journalist-was-blazed-before-tense-interview/QSAW7W63IFBEDAZFGHJCC3AYIE/
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August 9, 2023 8:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Willie Jackson is one of the Maori Elites involved in the Co-Governance Coup.
  Tell me I am wrong.
  
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  August 9, 2023 8:14am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    Maori Elite is an interesting term.
    
    There certainly is nothing elite about Willie Jackson (his current employment is a sad indictment of the people who put him in the position).
    
    Maori Royalty is a better term. i.e. their position in life was not gained by achievement, but by birth.
    
    Once again, the Maori King family’s elevated status is a sad indictment of the population who stand by whilst the “royal family” steal our money, and then tell us about it on the Tele.
    
    And please never forget, the many hardworking, law abiding Maoris in your communities do not benefit, and are no more complicit than you or I for allowing the current taxpayer rort.
    
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    August 9, 2023 8:28am
    - Surely Knott
      
      By calling people Maori we’re also buying into the idea that you only have a single ethnicity and must choose one. Willie Jackson is Maori and his last name Jackson is off British/Scottish/Irish origins. The government perpetuates this lie that you are only one ethnicity. If you tick Maori and European on your health card, they prioritise the races and put you as Maori, even if you are predominantly European.
      
      Sex is binary across animal species And you can’t be both male and female. But race is like breed. If you mix a cocker spaniel and a poodle you get a cock a doodle. A combination of the genetics of both.
      
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      August 9, 2023 9:55am
      - Ehlana
        
        And racism in New Zealand has historically been so horrific that Maori intermarried with non-Maori at so great a rate there is now no-one with Maori ancestry who doesn’t have at least one non-Maori ancestor.
        
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        August 9, 2023 10:18am
      - Bridgenag
        
        He is only 22-24 % Maori apparently
        
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        August 9, 2023 1:29pm
    - Ehlana
      
      Sadly Mark, I think the ordinary Maori are regarded by the Maori aristocracy much as Imelda Marcos reportedly regarded the Filipino people – “they want me to have all these shoes”.
      
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      August 9, 2023 10:24am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Bang on Ehlana.
        
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        August 9, 2023 1:43pm
    - John Loveridge
      
      Quite correct. I couldn’t seriously consider Willie Jackson an elite anything, let alone a human being. Whenever his face leers out of the TV at me I always expect to see food stains and scraps all over his shirt and tie. He just has that look about him.
      
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      August 9, 2023 10:57am
      - Piniwi
        
        Great word picture of Willie being a brown skinned version of that great statesman Sir Les Paterson. Always find it funny watching him get word bound like a constipated gaga bird when he starts out and then seems to loose the thread.
        
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        August 9, 2023 1:43pm
      - Prince
        
        He seems to appear every afternoon on Te Karere – the ‘interviewer’ appears to enjoy and agree with everything he says.
        Very cosy.
        
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        August 9, 2023 1:43pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Mark, I left a comment for you but I must have screwed it up.
      Go here for information. Blog – there are daily posts way back to Aug 2022.
      
      http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi
      This is Julian Batchelor. He is stopping Co-Governance otherwise Democracy is gone and we eill be under Tribal rule – Tyranny.
      
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      August 9, 2023 2:36pm
- Mark Hanley
  
  We’ll done Seymour, truly exposing the despicable NZ media.
  
  The sad thing is the NZ populace have unquestioningly lapped up the sycophantic Labour supporting media for 6 years.
  
  The unfortunate thing is the predictable damage to NZ that 6 years has caused.
  
  I boycott NZ TV news, stuff, and The Herald and will Continue to do so for the rest of my life.
  
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  August 9, 2023 8:18am
  - gravedodger
    
    Not so “well done” Seymour in backing off the impost on law abiding Firearm owners who understand the Register will be horrendously expensive, of no value in thwarting illegal acts and merely a list of places where desired for nefarious purposes weapons are held by a simple hacking of the net.
    
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    August 9, 2023 12:08pm
    - Mark Hanley
      
      Hi gd. Can u pls post a link.
      
      Cancelling the gun register and a TOW referendum were the two main reasons I was considering giving ACT my party vote.
      
      Both policies would save us all a lot of time and money without any reduction in our life quality.
      
      On another note….
      
      Good on National for following the science and banning smart phones in schools.
      
      The principals association (the people who are overseeing our kids life altering education degradation) say the Ban is unworkable whilst Hipkins says many schools are already doing it.
      
      Quite the contradiction!
      
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      August 9, 2023 1:41pm
      - Ghost
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-national-sends-signal-to-act-it-wont-dump-gun-register-act-says-its-negotiable/U4VIMBXIXJATFBNRQNZ4NQ2S5I/
        
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        August 9, 2023 1:51pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  TV3 many years ago have a news reader that was regularly out of his gourd on air…..they did sack him in the end but precident set?
  
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  August 9, 2023 8:29am
- Yvette
  
  Souvlak,i please see –
  TE TIRITI FRAMEWORK FOR NEWS MEDIA
  https://d3r9t6niqlb7tz.cloudfront.net/media/documents/2022_03_Irirangi_te_Motu_NZ_on_Air_Te_Tiriti_Framework_and_evidence_for_News_M_EPcNdaD.pdf
  
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  August 9, 2023 9:47am
  - Souvlaki
    
    Yes Yvette,…a disgraceful word salad of excrement imo.
    Another valid reason for the long suffering taxpayer to divest completely Television & Broadcast media .I hope NACT go down this path ASAP post election.
    It’s no surprise the MOST listened to programme in the country…Hosking on ZB mornings, is not a peddler of this crap!
    
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    August 9, 2023 12:54pm
  - alwyn.a
    
    Is the line drawing on the left hand side of the page what Jeremy Clarkson of Top Gear infamy used to call a “Gentleman’s Sausage”?
    Is it representing the fact that all the non=Maori residents of New Zealand are basically being told to Get F……D?
    
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    August 9, 2023 1:51pm
  - Taieri
    
    Propaganda manual brought to you by NZ on Air:
    
    “News is much more
    than some truth out there waiting to be reported; news organisations often
    choose what counts as news and construct news through their cultural lenses
    of representations and silences.”
    
    Construct news…
    
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    August 9, 2023 4:38pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The current Treaty is a rogue Treaty, the re-written 1975 Waitangi Tribunal.
  Further interfered with in 1989 by Sir Hugh Kawharu. He introduced “forestry and fisheries” That is NOT in the original Feb 6th 1840 version written in Maori.
  This is were NZ needs to go back to. Then the ‘gravy train’ will stop!
  
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  August 9, 2023 10:22am
  - Cantabrian
    
    The true original treaty is the Littlewood version, written in English by Hobson and translated into Maori by the Williams brothers on 5 Feb 1840. The Maori version mirrors the English version almost exactly – but it doesn’t suit the modern activists.
    Ask yourself why the Littlewood version is hidden away in National Archives – perhaps its content is inconvenient?
    The so-called ‘Treaty’ is an abomination cobbled together by James Freeman without Hobson’s consent.
    (Steve – I know you are well versed in this, but other readers may be less so.)
    
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    August 9, 2023 10:42am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I think Julian Batchelor has it the other way round.
      Treaty written in Maori, read to the Chiefs, then the Littlewood Draft in English.
      See here:
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVgY03s6Tqc
      
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      August 9, 2023 2:40pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Wait, you may be correct.
        
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        August 9, 2023 2:43pm
  - John Loveridge
    
    And then don’t we have added to that all those spurious and ever-shifting “principles” spawned by Geoffrey Palmer?
    
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    August 9, 2023 10:58am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yes!
      
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      August 9, 2023 4:27pm
Kiwiguy

Anyone here know Vaughan Winiata?
I don’t know him myself, just see him on social media.
He used to appear to be kinda centre-ish, and a strong voice for SME’s.
Now he’s just gone feral.
His pro-SME stance is well and truly drowned out by his divisive, accusatory, angry narrative instead. Everything is the white man’s fault.
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August 9, 2023 8:05am
- Swifty
  
  Yes, personal experience.
  
  I found him shallow. Not to be taken seriously.
  
  After seeing him rave about Maori businesses being granted a guaranteed percentage of government procurement contracts I asked him if he thought there were any risks or downsides to such a policy. He replied “No, there are none. The policy is perfect.”
  
  I was appalled.
  
  Downsides stand out like dogs balls.
  
  He clearly hadn’t even thought about it.
  
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  August 9, 2023 9:02am
  - Kiwiguy
    
    I wonder if he realises the damage he’s doing to his employer/business…
    
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    August 9, 2023 9:53am
    - Kiwiguy
      
      I notice he’s pulled his profile, or renamed it to Totika. ( T o t i k a )
      His personal name has basically disappeared off LI.
      Wonder why…
      
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      August 9, 2023 10:06am
- bartybart
  
  yes he was a fairly level fella on LI but he’s now a crazy attention seeker angry man, its been a few years watching someone get affected by the maori wonderfulness and constant offense taken at anything said by non-maori. Indoctrination success!
  
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  August 9, 2023 9:13am
  - Kiwiguy
    
    My experience also. Interesting.
    
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    August 9, 2023 9:39am
Tony Stuart

Now you can see why Tamati Coffey has come out of retirement to stand in the East Coast electorate when Kiri Allan stands down:

Whanau connection
He now has a little under three months to win the seat and see off the challenges of National’s Dana Kirkpatrick, Jordan Walker of the Greens, Michael Howe of Act and DemocracyNZ’s Chris Robinson.

The campaign is also a chance for Coffey to reinforce his paternal roots on the East Coast.

The pair’s first stop was at Uawa (Tolaga Bay), where his grandmother Lucy hails from. Speaking to a packed audience at the fire station, he revealed another close connection to their soon-to-be former MP.

“Kiritapu has a daughter, Hiwaiterangi. I am Hiwaiterangi’s dad.”

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/election-2023-labour-candidates-t%C4%81mati-coffey-and-cushla-tangaere-manuel-hit-the-ground-on-the-east-coast/ar-AA1eLtw4?fbclid=IwAR3KoBEaJIZL-qeHI7FNxpwKoP2vxT54b7bYKUVdi5IxLKUXIIJ-FwYbSO8

On one hand you can applaud Coffey for helping a same-sex couple become parents. But am I the only one feeling him dropping this into the public arena now is just a little bit cynical?
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August 9, 2023 8:07am
- Matt Long
  
  I hope he’s paying child support.
  
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  August 9, 2023 8:19am
  - pdm
    
    It would be a big surprise if he was Matt..
    
    The question is this. Is he the father in the natural way or by test tube?
    
    Would the test tube way require child support?
    
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    August 9, 2023 8:27am
- Local Miller
  
  Would a FOI request be used to prove this? I think he’s talking BS and just using this as a stunt.
  
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  August 9, 2023 8:26am
  - Littletramp
    
    Did he (Coffey) & his boyfriend adopt a kid that Kiri Allen had or is he the biological father? All a bit cryptic.
    Great virtue signalling optics for him though.
    
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    August 9, 2023 8:33am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    What is an “FOI request “?
    
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    August 9, 2023 8:56am
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      Freedom Of Information
      
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      August 9, 2023 9:02am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Freedom of Information Act
      https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1982/0156/latest/whole.html
      
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      August 9, 2023 9:06am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        That is a link to the Official Information Act. It applies to information held by Ministers and agencies. It definitely does not apply to information about who is the father of a child. 😳
        
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        August 9, 2023 9:51am
      - Local Miller
        
        I don’t know Benedict, under normal circumstances I’d agree with you, but here the man is throwing out the child’s paternity like a badge of honour and using it to gain political points. I think the public have a right to know if he’s lying or not.
        
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        August 9, 2023 10:30am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “I think the public have a right to know if he’s lying or not.”
        
        There is no way to achieve that unless the mother of the child decides to make the birth certificate public.
        
        Also the mother may have chosen not to name the father on the birth certificate.
        
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        August 9, 2023 10:36am
      - All_on_Red
        
        You cant use the Act to find out if someone fathered a child…
        
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        August 9, 2023 3:17pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Why does the public need to know?
    
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    August 9, 2023 9:22am
    - Local Miller
      
      I’d like it confirmed that the man is lying to gain political points and dragging the poor child into a political storm.
      
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      August 9, 2023 10:31am
      - Ghost
        
        Considering the mother hasn’t denied it I doubt he’s lying.
        
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        August 9, 2023 10:51am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It would make a mockery of his whakapapa and that of the numerous tribes he affiliates to.
        
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        August 9, 2023 3:14pm
- mandk
  
  I don’t see Coffey as an electoral threat.
  
  It’s obvious he is just a vainglorious former TV weather boy.
  
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  August 9, 2023 8:29am
- Nukuleka
  
  I do not applaud Coffey in the slightest. All I feel is revulsion. That child now has a father who is gay and with whom she does not live, and two mothers who are divorced.
  
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  August 9, 2023 8:30am
  - Che Guava
    
    If you have no moral clarity and a will to stand firm on the basis of your morals, even when you will inevitably offend people as you do it, and your only principle is “freedom,” pretty soon you end up with all of the weird social phenomena complained about on KB everyday. And rightly so, but that’s how you get where we are. “Freedom” to basically do what you want without much in the way of constraints or expectations is not a sound principle and is a recipe for disaster in the long term.
    
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    August 9, 2023 8:51am
  - Opie
    
    That sounds like a life of crime about to begin, caused of course by colonisation. Or virtue signalling Maori numpties…
    
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    August 9, 2023 9:03am
- Rodney Hide
  
  Sperm donor, not Dad.
  
  Rodney
  
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  August 9, 2023 8:48am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    So a friendly word of advice 😀
    
    When he’s out campaigning in Gizzie…probably best to avoid shaking his hand.
    
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    August 9, 2023 9:16am
    - John Loveridge
      
      I bet it’s a really limp and probably greasy handshake.
      
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      August 9, 2023 11:01am
    - Grunter
      
      Brilliant! Best laugh today.
      
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      August 9, 2023 11:23am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Who cares about that shit, if these fools are happy to choose Coffey as their Mp then they are saddled with him, I doubt he has the ability to win, I also hear Kirkpatrick is doing an awesome job in the east coast and will win the seat
  
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  August 9, 2023 8:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Did Tamati take maternity leave?
  
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  August 9, 2023 10:26am
  - Cantabrian
    
    Yes!
    
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    August 9, 2023 10:45am
- John Loveridge
  
  Never mind cynical, it’s all a bit incestuous.
  
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  August 9, 2023 11:00am
- I remember when
  
  “Am I the only one feeling him dropping this into the public area now is just a little bit cynical?”
  
  Not a little bit cynical!
  
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  August 9, 2023 12:24pm
- Michael Sommerville
  
  He is not the Dad. He doesn’t understand the meaning of the word. A dad is a member of the family who is involved with the upbringing of the child. He assists with the care of the child and loves the child.
  
  Coffey might be the biological father but he is certainly not the dad. He might be fluent in that maori language but he needs to improve his English.
  
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  August 9, 2023 1:46pm
Frank the tank

Wonder what the quid pro quo for Klaus and Larry from the announcement yesterday?

I’d rather a Chinese road.
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August 9, 2023 8:09am
- mandk
  
  My thoughts exactly.
  
  How about ESG for all businesses and SCS for all individuals?
  
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  August 9, 2023 8:23am
Frank the tank

So is it racist to note an increasing trend in fraud-related cases involving crown and public entities……
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August 9, 2023 8:11am
Paulus

Dare I ask what rate of return Black Rock will require on their $2 billion investment in New Zealand – and how will it be repaid ?
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August 9, 2023 8:15am
- Prince
  
  Had to laugh when the Morning Report ‘journalist’ asked some academic this morning whether the ‘for profit model was bound to be slower and less efficient in building solutions that a Govt-funded model.
  Even the academic baulked at that, suggesting private enterprise was likely to be faster and more efficient, having skin in the game.
  He put the ‘journalist’ back in his box very quickly.
  
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  August 9, 2023 1:50pm
- Jack5
  
  Paulus, the debt might last for centuries, draining tax income to meet interest payments.
  
  In 2015, Britain repaid debt incurred during the South Sea Bubble crisis in 1720.
  
  https://www.gov.uk/government/news/repayment-of-26-billion-historical-debt-to-be-completed-by-government
  
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  August 9, 2023 2:22pm
Im Right

Coffee will never live down the lanslide victory Labour had and he was one of only a few who lost his seat…I can’t see him winning another election seat, he is just not MP material! (But happy to take the salary of course)
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August 9, 2023 8:18am
Matt Long

Hard times ahead for rural NZ as farmers cut spending.
This is the difference between the tradable and non tradable sectors.
Private sector in a downturn, we’ll have to cut spending.
Public sector in a downturn, we’ll have to increase rates , taxes and borrowing.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/opinion/300945203/dairy-farmers-slam-their-wallets-shut-after-fonterra-announced-the-farmgate-milk-price-drop
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August 9, 2023 8:18am
- kowtow
  
  And when the private sector pays less tax , where does the regime gets its funding from.
  
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  August 9, 2023 9:47am
- I remember when
  
  And will reduce available dairy wages income for many who spend in small rural townships.
  
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  August 9, 2023 12:29pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The wicked witch.

https://finishtherace.com/eric/president-trump-calls-nancy-pelosi-a-wicked-witch-destined-for-hell/
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August 9, 2023 8:21am
- ClanMcleod
  
  She’ll be in good company. Madeline Albright is already there.
  
  “We have heard that half a million [Iraqi] children have died. I mean, that is more children than died in Hiroshima,” asked Stahl, “And, you know, is the price worth it?” “I think that is a very hard choice,” Albright answered, “but the price, we think, the price is worth it.”
  
  No actual human being could say such a thing. She wasn’t human. Nor is Victoria Nuland.
  
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  August 9, 2023 9:20am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Seriously, thirteen Kiwibloggers are impressed when the best their hero can come up with is a term that has been used for centuries by weak, frightened men to disparage women more intelligent than themselves?
  
  Once again: Name-calling tells us more about the caller than it does about the callee.
  
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  August 9, 2023 9:41am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Are you referring to that corrupt, alcoholic dimwit Pelosi??? Intelligent??? 🙄
    
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    August 9, 2023 9:58am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      [Mod – no need for that]
      
      Game, set and match to Albert, right?
      
      [Mod – no, the Mod won]
      
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      August 9, 2023 1:00pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Hey Albert,
    Is it acceptable to suggest that the harridan involved bears a marked resemblance to a broom factory test pilot?
    
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    August 9, 2023 1:37pm
BarryB

Well, well….
Something must be happening in the Ukraine if Newshub reports an anti Ukraine story.

The western powers are concerned that the Ukraine offensive has been so useless because they cannot break threw the Russian defensive lines.

If they learned nothing else from WWII the Russians learned how to defend against an army that was the worlds best at attack – the Germans. The Ruskies faced the biggest tank attacks and artillery attacks that have ever been organised and beat them back.

Zelenskyys Ego has gotten The Ukraine into some serious shit and the people who are currently the victims – ukraine citizens – will make him pay for it sooner or later.
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August 9, 2023 8:23am
- Grunter
  
  Newshub and CNN are only 3-4 weeks late on their story. Alt media sources have been saying this for a while now. The state owned BBC of course still lost in their own la-la-land version of what their owners propaganda spin docs are saying.
  There are now growing reports that the evil little clown Zelenskyy is under serious threat of assignation by his own army. Wait for the predictions that the Ruskies are planning it.
  
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  August 9, 2023 11:31am
- mawm
  
  I don’t think this is Zelensky’s ego. More likely Nuland’s. This is her war. She has been planning it since before the Maidan coup.
  
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  August 9, 2023 5:09pm
Maggie Pie

“Prime Minister, how’s your day going?”

https://twitter.com/adriftandhappy/status/1688718017457541120

I remember when my gran used to catch me out if I’d been up to no good, she’d say with a smile…. “You’re such a cunning little bitch” 😀
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August 9, 2023 8:24am
- Mark Hanley
  
  I don’t understand what’s going on here.
  
  Is Blackrock investing $2 billion of overseas investors’ money in NZ or are NZ taxpayers footing the $2 billion bill?
  
  I suspect the latter.
  
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  August 9, 2023 8:33am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Clan McLeod posted this explanation last night….
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYtb5zatgMg
    
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    August 9, 2023 9:55am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The report says:
    
    It’s also going to be expensive, with a recent estimate showing it could cost $42 billion – $26 billion will come from energy businesses investing in themselves, so New Zealand needs to find $16 billion of new capital investment.
    
    Enter BlackRock, they’ve got the ball rolling with the first $2 billion of that and it’s being hailed as a world first.
    
    No matter how it all works, it will be a horrendous deal for the country. Blackrock are there to make money, not to act as a charity to basket cases like NZ. Follow the money, every time.
    
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    August 9, 2023 10:05am
    - waikatosinger
      
      So this is Labour locking away taxes to be spent by a non-government entity so that National will not have control of them after the election?
      
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      August 9, 2023 4:45pm
  - Jim
    
    With ESG strings too no doubt.
    
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    August 10, 2023 4:07am
- kevn
  
  Someone told me that Luxon said no Blackrock.
  
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  August 9, 2023 8:49am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He said no WEF , but he was saying yesterday this is the sort of thing he was talking about, not black rock per say, but investment from foreign pension funds, PPP, roads, and other infrastructure, the weak gutless pm said oh oh not for roads, ffs, looks like Labours black rock deal is going to be Luxons fault
    
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    August 9, 2023 9:03am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Remember when ‘The Spinoff’ said people were losing their sh!t when it was suggested Cindy’s visit to BlackRock might be something sinister….calling them a bunch of ‘conspiracy theorists’ for saying she was doing some sort of deal with them 🙁
    
    https://twitter.com/TheSpinoffTV/status/1688690006591000577
    
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    August 9, 2023 9:08am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Uh huh. So what was she doing there??
      
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      August 9, 2023 3:39pm
      - Jim
        
        Likely a WEF agenda aligned discussion.
        
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        August 10, 2023 4:08am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Freedom Of Information
  
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  August 9, 2023 9:03am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  The meeting where no minutes were taken!!
  
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  August 9, 2023 9:05am
Suze Wainwright

Where would I be if I didn’t have Lizzie Marvelly to influence my life…?

Peace on her.
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August 9, 2023 8:40am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Work until you die. Is this what Labour wants for NZ?

https://finishtherace.com/ella-ford/millions-of-americans-have-given-up-hope-of-ever-retiring-thanks-to-bidenflation/
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August 9, 2023 8:42am
- Benedict Yu
  
  New Zealand already has one of the highest labor force participation rates for over 65s. That rate is only going to increase. Have you noticed the elderly folk working at petrol stations and supermarkets? Or the retired tradies working at Mitre 10?
  
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  August 9, 2023 9:03am
Maggy Wassilieff

Dr Brian Gill offers a clear explanation of Science and despairs that prominent folks in NZ seem to have forgotten how Science differs from various other ways of interpreting the natural world.

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2023/08/06/brian-gill-who-promotes-science-thinking-when-everyone-defers-to-culture/
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August 9, 2023 8:49am
NothingLeft

Large scale Democrat-backed voting fraud operation uncovered in Michigan but investigation was hushed up for 3 years. (The Democratic Party controls the offices of governor, secretary of state, attorney general, and both chambers of the state legislature),

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/now-we-have-proof-tgp-exclusive-massive-2020/
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August 9, 2023 8:55am
Maggy Wassilieff

NZers have spent years being treated as second-class residents in Australia (thank-you Helen Clark), and just when matters have improved, our Minister of Police decides to insult all Australians:

“They might have more money, they might have more sunshine but they’ve also got more Australians,”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/08/police-minister-ginny-andersen-takes-dig-at-australia-over-police-recruitment-campaign-but-union-not-laughing.html
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August 9, 2023 8:59am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Send Ginny there to improve the the IQ of both countries
  
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  August 9, 2023 9:07am
- Blog-aholic
  
  That went with the Lloyd Burr report where he stated that apparently New Zealanders ‘do not like the culture’ in Australia…..
  
  Why then Lloyd do so many New Zealanders go and stay in Australia?
  
  What happened to us being brothers in arms?
  
  What happened to us being west island of Oz?
  
  What happened to us being kindred spirits?
  
  The media in NZ really are sucking on the dummy acting like absolute toddlers and embarrassing themselves in their devotion to people like Anderson et al.
  
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  August 9, 2023 9:07am
  - Random T Person
    
    Uh, small correction there, Blog-a. Australia is New Zealand’s west island.
    
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    August 9, 2023 10:43am
  - Piniwi
    
    Actually most of the friction if it is there is from other migrants especially Mediterranean countries. Worked with a Maltese who was a right pain in the arse as opposed to everyday Occa. Called him the Maltese Falcon which went over his head and his customer mates who were all sort of one truck “contractors” always wanting fleet owner discounts were known as the Maltese Mafia.
    Liked the Abos as they were easy going and friendly after initial caution but they did like Green can dreaming and sleeping on their silver pillows. At least the long grassers did.
    
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    August 9, 2023 2:13pm
- Matt Long
  
  The Aussies don’t have Ginny Anderson, which will be the impetus for many to leave NZ.
  
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  August 9, 2023 9:25am
- Jack5
  
  Ginny Andersen forgets Labour heroes who were born Aussies – Michael Jospeh Savage and Bob Semple, for example.
  
  Other non-Labour NZ Prime Ministers who were lured to NZ from Australia by the gold rushes included Richard Seddon and Julius Vogel (both born in UK).
  
  A flood of people from Australia to southern NZ in the Otago gold rush continued with a regular shipping service for decades between Bluff and Tasmania. The direction of migration flow varied with the relativity of the NZ and Aussie economies.
  
  Even some Aussie bush rangers regarded southern NZ as an extension of Victoria. One Aussie bank robber held up scores of Otago miners.
  
  The present flow from east to west across the Tasman preserves the ties between the two countries.
  
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  August 9, 2023 10:35am
Jack5

Rocket Lab USA, the space company started in New Zealand by Peter Beck, has signed a deal with the firm BlackSky Technologies for a further five BlackSky satellite launches.

They will be made on Rocket Lab Electron rockets from Mahia. Over four years, Rocket Lab has already made six satellite launches for BlackSky.

The latest five launches will be made in 2024, with other missions booked for four commercial satellite firms as well as Government missions.

With names like “Black Rock” springing up on Kiwiblog, the ownership of BlackSky Technologies is relevant. Here are its details:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/while-private-equity-firms-own-181207131.html
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August 9, 2023 9:01am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Biden Crime. Former mobster Michael Franzese says he does not know why Biden has not been exposed yet.

https://dailypresser.com/doug-g/mob-boss-michael-franzese-says-bidens-are-definitely-a-crime-family/
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August 9, 2023 9:13am
- virtualmark
  
  If there’s sufficient evidence to sustain an indictment of Joe Biden, then indict him and go to trial.
  
  If he’s found guilty, lock him up.
  
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  August 9, 2023 1:10pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Next year. Timing for 2024.
    
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    August 9, 2023 4:28pm
redeye

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/09/guardian-essential-poll-new-zealand-national-holds-clear-lead-over-labour-as-election-nears

Labour languished on 29% of the vote in the Guardian Essential poll New Zealand, which polled more than 1,100 eligible voters, with National recording 34.5%. ACT received 11.6% of the vote. Respondents unsure about how they would vote – 6.1% of those surveyed – were included in the final result.
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August 9, 2023 9:19am
- PeeJay
  
  Still way to bloody close IMO.
  
  NZ First at 5.3% is a concern – only takes a little movement for Winston to hold the balance of power. He might side with National but I still think Labour would offer him more and he’d go with them.
  
  What is really perplexing me though is that a continued majority state in almost every poll that the country is on the wrong track. If the country is on the wrong track, why aren’t National / ACT romping home? Just doesn’t seem to make sense when you compare voting intentions with wrong track views.
  
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  August 9, 2023 9:41am
  - Notsofast
    
    It is best for everyone to understand NZ first is a certainty to be in Parliament, and to try to understand Winston and Shane Jones. They are categorically allies to the right of center. Winston is clearly shocked and appalled at co-governance, regardless of its provenance, because anyone who is not has been indoctrinated by the young and the gullible.
    
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    August 9, 2023 10:58am
  - Notsofast
    
    Furthermore his vote is the granddad vote.
    Try asking one near you what his pronouns are and see if you stay in one piece.
    
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    August 9, 2023 11:06am
  - leoj
    
    You haven’t figured out that Luxon is not making much of an impression?
    
    National’s history of “managing” Labour’s policy disasters rather then demolishing them, has the public unsure that such a woke mob will actually turn the country in the exact opposite direction.
    
    Luxon’s reluctance to hold a referendum on the true meaning of the ToW is also giving rise to more skepticism.
    
    As an opposition they are weak. Their linguini spine will only be stiffened by the presence of ACT, who are far from perfect. ACT and National both hid behind Jacinda’s skirt during the protests.
    
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    August 9, 2023 11:10am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Just think what friends are saying when politics is mentioned, do you really believe it’s close? I think it will be reasonably close snd there is no way Labour are in the race, but Nat ACT by 4 seats actually is not so close, that’s what most polls are showing
    
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    August 9, 2023 11:12am
  - riffer
    
    Consider that NZers both feel that NZ is on the wrong track and NO political party has the answers. Just because the country is on the wrong track doesn’t mean they back the opposition.
    
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    August 9, 2023 2:13pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Fauci did, in fact, knowingly lie before Congress. His retirement is not going as planned.

https://teapartypolls.com/thepoliticalmovement/fauci-potentially-facing-criminal-charges/
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August 9, 2023 9:20am
Maggie Pie

You knew Pene was feeling the heat this morning when he responded to The Hosk –

“The thing is my friend….”

LOL!!
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August 9, 2023 9:22am
Nigel Kearney

A colleague can’t make it in to work today because trains have been cancelled due to icy weather. Anything that runs on tracks is just not fit for purpose. Yes I know that much flatter places with much higher population densities can operate successful rail services if they subsidise them enough. Just not in NZ please.
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August 9, 2023 9:25am
- I remember when
  
  Nigel.
  The good news is that once we turn ‘climate change’ around it will become a more frequent occurrence.
  
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  August 9, 2023 9:34am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Something you don’t see mentioned much anymore, but that ChatGPT will admit quite happily (some things you need to prize out of it with a crowbar), is that
    “The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and other scientific bodies estimate that it could take centuries to millennia for CO2 levels to naturally decline to pre-industrial levels”.
    
    So even if FF usage stopped tomorrow, any alleged climate effects claimed by alarmists to be occurring due to the current CO2 levels won’t stop occurring for centuries to come.
    
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    August 9, 2023 12:53pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Since when do trains not run because of ice fFS, look at Newyork, hardly ever doesn’t run when snowing and they have ice storms leaving inches of ice, what a Wally bloody society we have, when younger the trains still ran from Mosgiel to the Dunedin centre and there was ice most days in winter, where the hell was this where all this ice was ffs,
  
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  August 9, 2023 11:15am
  - rouppe
    
    Exactly. My son was affected by this today trying to get to school.
    
    Trains cancelled, insufficient bus replacements, ergo the roads were clogged.
    
    My son stayed home
    
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    August 9, 2023 12:27pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump-DeSantis.
Other contenders are not even in the race.
Trump 2024.

https://finishtherace.com/ella-ford/trump-says-desantis-is-crashing-badly-will-be-superseded-in-second-place-by-others/
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August 9, 2023 9:29am
- NothingLeft
  
  Ugh, wish it was someone other than Trump. There are lots of others who appear temperamentally better, and would likely be far more effective in the job. DeSantis at top of the list.
  
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  August 9, 2023 10:04am
  - leoj
    
    The US needs Trump more than ever.
    
    The country is going to hell under Bribem.
    
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    August 9, 2023 11:12am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Trump will only have 4 years to do it – drain the swamp. Set it up for 8 years of DeSantis!
      
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      August 9, 2023 4:31pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trump 52%.
    DeSantis 15%.
    No contest. Trump will win in a landslide if the Dems don’t cheat.
    Joe got81 million votes my left tit.
    
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    August 9, 2023 11:29am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Trump will need a serious plan to deal with lawless woketards running riot with TDS.
  
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  August 9, 2023 3:51pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He knows them more than ever now. Trump seriously underestimated the size of the corruption and cheating of the Dems.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S63MW41dP58
    Pre 2015
    
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    August 9, 2023 4:36pm
Flossie

Did anybody else bother to read Jenna Lynch’s piece about Luxon visiting a school yesterday? Basically she said he can’t spell…cos, you know, can is spelled with a C. I have every confidence Mr Luxon actually knows this. Why didn’t she just entitle her effort “Vote Labour”.
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August 9, 2023 9:30am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Heard him on with Hosking , he stated the kids weee spelling it that way and he played their game, scraping the bottom of the barrel if that stupid woman thinks he did not know how to spell Kat
  
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  August 9, 2023 10:41am
- Tricati
  
  Same as her crap piece on 3 News last night – She’s a shocker and so ‘left leaning’ its a wonder she can walk straight.
  
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  August 9, 2023 10:47am
  - riffer
    
    So left leaning she married ACT Party Chief of Staff Andrew Ketels.
    
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    August 9, 2023 2:15pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      When?
      
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      August 9, 2023 2:30pm
      - Ghost
        
        Not sure if they are married yet, last I saw they were engaged and their child was crawling around the beehive.
        
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        August 9, 2023 2:47pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      A libertarian and a (woke?) lefty apparently paired up.
      
      Not something I’d recommend.
      
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      August 9, 2023 3:55pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Believe it is the fact she is pissed that has her leaning so far left when she walks but a solid bias keeps her left when her lips are moving. Why is so many girls think they know more about politics than men or is it just a hiring policy that they prefer those that sit down to pee to avoid splashes in the seat. They never seem to have a “best” side in their opinion or appearance. The panels are even worse and they even got Sue Bradford out of a cupboard to opine. Lol
    
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    August 9, 2023 2:30pm
- mogg
  
  I heard Hipkins saying “everythink” on Monday 3 news, where is the fuss about that.
  
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  August 9, 2023 10:53am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He refuded that, so all is good.
    
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    August 9, 2023 11:31am
  - lifesgood
    
    Ewww! One of my pet hates. Where does that nonsense come from. Since when did everythinG end in a k? Ignorant fool.
    
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    August 9, 2023 11:42am
    - alwyn.a
      
      Should that be IKnorant fool perchance?
      
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      August 9, 2023 2:02pm
I remember when

Newshub TV3:
Item the other night on the affect that silt removal is having in Hawke’s Bay after Cyclone Gabrielle.
In the article it referred to the total lack of macroinvertebrates in affected rivers.
As it is the second half of winter, it made me wonder how many invertebrates, of any sort, they would expect to find at this time of the year.
Also, the loss of invertebrates would be expected after every one of their usual winter floods.
Interestingly, while searching for the details, I found a RNZ report from May that looked as if it might be the source.
HBRC fresh water scientist Dan Fake, said in some rivers they’d found a total absence of macroinvertebrates.
But in others, ecosystems were recovering faster than expected.
ONE POSITIVE was that that the floods had recharged the region’s acquifiers.

Rehashed old news for emphasis?
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August 9, 2023 9:31am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Pfizer on the spot. Myocarditis, Pericarditis.

https://www.redvoicemedia.com/video/2023/08/pfizer-gets-put-on-the-spot-refuses-to-answer-real-question-on-jab-feature/
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August 9, 2023 9:35am
ClanMcleod

Well colour me surprised!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/former-realtor-and-dhb-worker-alister-thorby-accused-of-dishonestly-obtaining-14m-of-miq-funding/HE3YIKYCPFE2XJ7HGYNEXMNSD4/
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August 9, 2023 9:45am
- Maggie Pie
  
  “Is it one of them again, Yogi?”
  
  “You’ll notice there’s a pattern forming here, Booboo”
  
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  August 9, 2023 9:56am
  - Souvlaki
    
    ….what could POSSIBLY go wrong with Te Whatu Ora…..
    
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    August 9, 2023 10:12am
  - Frank the tank
    
    DEI strikes again huh Maggy?
    
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    August 9, 2023 11:26am
- Ghost
  
  Interesting, a flight attendant was at the helm of a Covid responses team. Guess he’s a flight risk…
  
  https://nz.linkedin.com/in/alister-thorby-ab38951a1
  
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  August 9, 2023 10:02am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Wonder who the ‘two friends’ were he was taking overseas with him?
    
    Hmmm….
    
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    August 9, 2023 10:16am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/tikanga-maori-customs-and-beliefs-are-being-made-law/
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August 9, 2023 9:54am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  To me ‘tikanga’ means personal conduct and manners.
  
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  August 9, 2023 10:02am
ClanMcleod

CLIMATE
BlackRock denies it’s using New Zealand project to greenwash itself

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/08/blackrock-denies-it-s-using-new-zealand-project-to-greenwash-itself.html

It isn’t trying to Greenwash itself, it’s enriching itself. Blackrock will make billions out of this while destroying the NZ energy infrastructure and making the country poorer.
If people think Muldoon’s ‘think big’ was a disaster, this is next level societal destruction.
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August 9, 2023 9:55am
- JackRabbit
  
  The BlackRock name comes from its heavy investments in Coal and Oil….
  
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  August 9, 2023 10:12am
Souvlaki

This new poll…by The Guardian…while providing some reassurance…..comes with a sting in it’s tail…with Peters at 5.3%.
I would personally be happier if Luxon got off the bloody fence & stated he would not be forming a coalition with NZF . By playing ‘cute’….he is giving the old sod the very oxygen he needs!
Who is ‘ masterminding’🤦‍♂️Nationals strategy??

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/09/guardian-essential-poll-new-zealand-national-holds-clear-lead-over-labour-as-election-nears?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
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August 9, 2023 9:58am
- Handyman
  
  Notice the Guardian (not a PIJF recipient) uses a normal respectful picture of Luxon.
  Compare that to Stuff pictures which usually have Luxon at some crazy angle maybe eating something, while showing Hipkins in “presidential/authority” pose.
  
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  August 9, 2023 10:17am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Probably a mistake. If you look at how their “comments” operate you’ll soon realise they are a deeply pathetic bunch of far left propagandists who should just be ignored.
    
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    August 9, 2023 2:39pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  If Luxon states he won’t work with Peters it will give the snakeoil salesman another 1% boost making him even more of a thorn in his side.
  
  Incidentally, that poll was before the announcement re Blackrock ~~investing~~ ripping off NZ in another disastrous policy from Labour. Looks like it’ supported by Luxon?
  
  If so, don’t be surprised to see NZF around 7-8%
  
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  August 9, 2023 10:37am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    It’s not supported by Luxon, the investment for infrastructure is what he was talking about, but the pathetic pm says PPPs are not hood for roads
    
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    August 9, 2023 11:22am
- mogg
  
  At least Winston first seem to be taking support away from Labour, expect more trash talk from Hipkins about Labour being “packed with talent”and excited about the future.
  
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  August 9, 2023 11:05am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  So Act saying he couldn’t work with the old bastard, clearly didn’t work, all ACT did was push him closer to Labour, there are people on here saying time to stop blaming this crocked old prick, just maybe Luxon knows exactly what he is doing, it’s the voter that needs to say I can’t work with NZF
  
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  August 9, 2023 11:19am
Jack5

An interesting free program on the Internet helps language learning by turning selected words on sites you visit into a language of your choice.

A mate installed the program, called Toucan, and selected Spanish. He used it for a quarter of an hour, then went offline and forgot about it.

Days he was back online and was annoyed by “confusion” he found on a business web site. He was so frustrated he fired off an email complaining about “all the bloody foreign language crap that’s popped up on your site – what’s going on?”

The penny dropped about the same time as the puzzled reply arrived.

Here’s the Toucan site for anyone who wants to try it:

https://jointoucan.com/
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August 9, 2023 10:09am
- John Loveridge
  
  This Toucan seems to have been enabled on every New Zealand government website and mainstream media outlet. Can anybody turn it off?
  
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  August 9, 2023 11:08am
  - graham
    
    Alternatively, I wonder if you could set it to turn “selected words” on NZ government websites back into English.
    
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    August 9, 2023 12:32pm
burt

Bookmark this page for when in a couple of weeks time we are hearing about excessive rain and flooding in Mexico caused by climate change.

https://www.weatherwatch.co.nz/content/drought-stricken-mexico-is-turning-to-a-controversial-technology-to-make-it-rain
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August 9, 2023 10:49am
- John Loveridge
  
  I don’t know why they’re going to all that trouble when they could just hire a bunch of Maoris to fly over and deliver some of their internationally-renowned matauranga science to end the drought. A bit of dancing in grass skirts and stick waving?
  
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  August 9, 2023 11:05am
Suze Wainwright

At least Marama’s got the balls to force Chippie into corners – esp. if aotearoa’s msm refuse to…
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August 9, 2023 10:57am
ClanMcleod

Right on cue, as predicted, here comes Winny!

The fact that Labour has announced a $2b renewable energy deal with BlackRock – an international company that invests in fossil fuels worldwide – shows the desperation and naivety of a globalist shill government.

BlackRock doesn’t want to make New Zealand or the world clean – they want profits and control.

Our country needs Nationalism with a capital “N” – that means putting our country first and making locally controlled infrastructure investment a priority.

We have the ability to finance this through the likes of our Superfund that would create assets for our country that will last decades into our future – and most importantly keep the profits for our people not overseas.

https://twitter.com/winstonpeters/status/1689041164928962560?t=D8T-nBEyorlFyTZpQOz_RQ&s=19

Act/National need some new policy strategists, the holes they are leaving for the snake oil salesmen are gaping.
Cunning as a shit house rat. 😂
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August 9, 2023 11:35am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This blog is working good now. Thanks to whoever fixed things.
Wonder what it was? A date thing?
Anyway thanks guys.
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August 9, 2023 11:38am
PeterB

Along with banning bottom trawling in the Hauraki Gulf will Grant Robertson stop bottom trawling Phillipino boys?
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August 9, 2023 11:43am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Had cubital tunnel Funny bone ulnar nerve) surgery on Monday. Cast was not right so I was called back yesterday. Apparently the Surgeon put the cast on. Short staffed I guess. Anyway the cast was a single layer, should have been two.
Got all wrapped up again. Fiberglass wrap. It is activated by air to harden.
Anyway thanks to everyone involved in the Orthopedics at North Shore Hospital.
Appreciated.
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August 9, 2023 11:52am
- greybeard
  
  So you are fully armed and dangerous again ?
  
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  August 9, 2023 3:06pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Will be in 6 – 8 weeks after muscle buildup. Then I can get back to the timing belt on my Landcruiser. Had to stop, just did not have the muscle power to do mechanics.
    Beware the new Steve, LOL!
    
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    August 9, 2023 4:48pm
Maggie Pie

Thort this worth sharing 🙁
Was just about to prepare lunch when a bestie X’d me….

There can be no doubt the pandemic of Mental Illness and Obesity needs to be taken seriously.

https://twitter.com/ThePoliticalPom/status/1688732605129134081
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August 9, 2023 11:55am
- NZer In Exile
  
  That’s tragic. I hope the guy gets his health sorted pronto!!
  
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  August 9, 2023 2:41pm
wreck1080

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/school-cell-phone-ban-schools-with-bans-already-in-place-report-positive-results/WHU4FSU3EBEAZOPZZ7TZ57LZFE/

I would vote National based solely on the school smartphone ban! This would help greatly in mental health too, kids these days are losing the important formative years where they are supposed to learn to socialise and communicate as adults…instead, they have their faces buried in tiktok watching crap.
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August 9, 2023 12:41pm
- artemisia
  
  Banning cellphones in schools is easy and free. Maybe take a bit of time to monitor until it beds in. Sounds like it’s positive for learning. The country could do with a bit of that.
  
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  August 9, 2023 1:26pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Te Reo learning? Nope.
    Some math, science, and workshop learning.
    
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    August 9, 2023 4:50pm
- riffer
  
  Schools already have the ability to demand no cellphones.
  
  This is nanny state meddling. If Labour had come up with it there would be howls of outrage.
  
  Haven’t we got bigger problems to deal with? If schools don’t want phones they can choose to deal with it without legislation.
  
  What next? Laws banning brown shoes with a black belt?
  
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  August 9, 2023 2:22pm
  - Ghost
    
    Smart phones in school are a problem, students are using them to film fights and gain fame online, some are using them to bully other students. I have a friend in the uk whose grandson was filmed going to the toilet in school by other boys and then posted it online.
    
    We should listen to the teachers
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/northland-teacher-launches-petition-to-parliament-calling-for-cellphone-ban-in-schools/PR4HU6WABJY263RDZA3JFW5O7Y/
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/127674276/who-you-gonna-call-dunedin-high-school-bans-phones
    
    And a good article from the uk
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/jul/26/i-would-crank-up-the-restrictions-teachers-on-banning-phones-in-school
    
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    August 9, 2023 2:30pm
    - mandk
      
      Interesting to see the findings of reader polls in Stuff and the NZH.
      
      67% on Stuff agree with a ban, while the number on the NZH is 77%.
      
      It defies common sense to believe that a ban wouldn’t be positive.
      
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      August 9, 2023 2:58pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Works well at Takapuna Grammar
        Havent heard a parent complain about it- but, take a book for while you wait when you pick your child up from sport…
        
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        August 9, 2023 4:22pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Anything about this on overseas news?
        Stuff and NZH, please…….
        
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        August 9, 2023 4:53pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Haven’t we got bigger problems to deal with?
    
    Let me Guess… You didn’t grow up in an economically impoverished area where kids routinely left school at age 14-15 without any formal qualifications and often without the skills and habits to become an independent wage earner.
    
    I think one of the big problems NZ is facing is that a large cohort of our children are failing to get a decent education throughout their schooling.
    
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    August 9, 2023 3:04pm
    - cmm
      
      The problem with problems is that have different importance vs urgency.
      
      Education is never urgent because the impacts only show up 5 to 10 years afterwards when it is too late to fix what’s broken.
      
      Crime is hugely urgent because people see it now and want it resolved now.
      
      But in the medium/long term, the education crisis is far worse than crime. Crime can be somewhat reversed, but poor education completely destroys the future for at least a generation or two.
      
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      August 9, 2023 4:26pm
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Of course it is nanny state meddling. Putting restrictions on responsible people because of the actions of irresponsible people is classic Labour, whether of the Red or Blue variety.
    
    Worse than that, it won’t work. They can still access social media on their laptops. They can still carry phones, so if they were going to do things that are prohibited anyway (e.g. Ghost’s examples) they can get out their phone and do that. There is no regulation that can substitute for raising kids to make good choices.
    
    If anyone thinks the kids that can’t read and do maths are suddenly going to start working hard when their phone is taken away, I have a bridge to sell them. The kids who are behind now, were behind before they ever got their first phone.
    
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    August 9, 2023 3:25pm
    - Ghost
      
      It’s far easier for schools to block social media and gaming sites from schools accessing the schools internet than it is from students mobile phones.
      
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      August 9, 2023 3:38pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Data, they just switch over. If daddy has the money, unlimited data, even logging in to their home network.
        
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        August 9, 2023 4:57pm
    - Taieri
      
      Worse than that, it won’t work.
      ———–
      
      But it does. Very well. A few years ago I was involved in a venture where all participants (teenagers) had to hand in all their electronic devices for 10 days. This was the condition of participation. All had done so without any complaints.
      
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      August 9, 2023 4:53pm
  - artemisia
    
    I would say the issue is with school boards who could ban cell phones though most don’t. They are committees, and if there are conflicting viewpoints there is a strong incentive to stay with the status quo. Not rock the boat.
    
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    August 9, 2023 3:54pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Government establishes exclusive-fishing-grounds for Maori in Hauraki Gulf….

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1689042274636734464
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August 9, 2023 12:56pm
I remember when

Covid cases in Whangerai Hospital surgical ward; Two people win Lotto: NZHerald. 7 Aug.
Four patients and nine staff – mostly registered nurses – in Whangerai Hospital’s surgical ward have tested positive for Covid-19.

Are the Herald trying to tell us something about the odds.
Lucky the surgical staff will most likely be vaccinated, it will stop them passing it on.

Once again a hospital is the epicentre of a rash of cases.
Apparently, according to hospital authorities, it isn’t an outbreak.
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August 9, 2023 12:59pm
Swifty

I see today’s Stuff cartoon is one great fat election advert for ACT – although I’m not sure they intended it to be…..
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August 9, 2023 1:00pm
Nickc2

Did Cindy (past PM of Ao-something) receive a Finder’s Fee for introducing NZ to Blackrock?
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August 9, 2023 1:06pm
- Ghost
  
  The super fund has been using black rock longer than Cindy was PM
  
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  August 9, 2023 1:14pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Uptick on that.
    This would suggest Cindy only visited Blackrock to check on her own Superannuation before she pulled the pin then?
    
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    August 9, 2023 1:35pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Or somewhere to hide $24M?
      Where there is smoke there is fire.
      
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      August 9, 2023 5:00pm
      - mawm
        
        A Board seat in one of BR’s offshoots?
        
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        August 9, 2023 5:25pm
Maggie Pie

Caller to ZB says The-Mad-Butcher is now doing ‘Afterpay’

LOL!!
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August 9, 2023 1:26pm
Bridgenag

Bombshell revelations reported this weekend by The Australian, a leading broadsheet owned by the Murdoch group, have huge implications for pandemic policy here in New Zealand.

https://hatchardreport.media/pdf-files/startling-revelations-change-everything-new-zealanders-have-been-schooled-to-believe.pdf
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August 9, 2023 1:42pm
Bridgenag

BREAKING: Over 25% of elderly residents of a SNF died within a 20-day period after getting the COVID jab in December 2020
If the deaths were caused by COVID, this would be front page news. But when the deaths are from the COVID vaccine, it isn’t newsworthy for some reason.

https://open.substack.com/pub/stevekirsch/p/breaking-over-25-of-elderly-residents?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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August 9, 2023 1:44pm
- riffer
  
  A whole heap of speculation there and absolutely no scientific evidence.
  
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  August 9, 2023 2:26pm
  - PeterB
    
    Global warming has no scientific basis but you believe it.
    
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    August 9, 2023 3:31pm
Ghost

Police in Australia say they have dismantled a “sophisticated” global network of paedophiles, arresting 19 men with the help of the FBI.

Helen Schneider, the Australian Federal Police commander, said 13 children had been rescued from the clutches of the “dangerous” network, which used “sophisticated” knowledge of the dark web to evade police for up to 10 years.

A government employee in Canberra is among 98 men accused of sharing exploitative images of children.

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August 9, 2023 1:49pm
Maggie Pie

Suprised and saddened to see SISO ram-raided last night.
What a mess!
All they took was the Till and a few bottles of Spirits.
Never even touched the Dom.
Tells you something about the little scrotes upbringing.
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August 9, 2023 2:00pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  SISO??? Is this some up market chippy in Remmers???
  
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  August 9, 2023 3:51pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Pretty much 😀
    
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    August 9, 2023 4:57pm
Ra Henare

So who got it right and who succumbed to MSM propaganda.

From time to time I look back in Kiwiblog to see how the arguments/debates turned out.

This one of my favourites.

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2022/09/the_importance_of_ukraine.html

I particularly like Dr Wayne Maps comment, sometime Minister of Defence thought he knew better.
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August 9, 2023 2:12pm
Chuck Bird

This is a very interesting poll. NZF gets in but National/Act get 61 seats without NZF.

Guardian Essential poll New Zealand: National holds clear lead over Labour as election nears

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/09/guardian-essential-poll-new-zealand-national-holds-clear-lead-over-labour-as-election-nears
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August 9, 2023 2:58pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  Loving the Framing of the picture in that Article…..
  
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  August 9, 2023 4:08pm
Maggie Pie

And you just know the striking Westpac employees are on thin ice with their demands for higher wages, when you see them holding banners that say….

ESSENTIAL PAY
FOR
ESSENTIAL MAHI
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August 9, 2023 3:15pm
Ghost

Well done for paying back the gifts, but bloody hell

The Public Service Commission has given a firm rebuke to the Ministry of Pacific Peoples’ for a nearly $40,000 spend-up on its outgoing chief executive, Leauanae Laulu Mac Leauanae, and warned other chief executives they need to follow the rules.

The Ministry spent $39,262.22 on a two-day farewell event which all staff attended last October. However Leauanae later paid back $7500 of the money which had been spent on gifts. The review found he was not involved in planning or decision-making concerning the farewell, but as chief executive was responsible overall for the agency.

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August 9, 2023 3:53pm
- cmm
  
  Bloody troughers!
  
  ” The review found he was not involved in planning or decision-making concerning the farewell”
  
  But he pitched up, knew it was happening and didn’t ask any questions?
  
  “Hey, old Luala is leaving. Let’s throw ourselves a massive two-day party at the taxpayers’ expense!”
  
  And not one little dicky-bird put their hand up and said it was wrong.
  
  According to their www, “The Ministry for Pacific Peoples office is located in Wellington and employs approximately 130 staff. The Ministry manages an annual appropriation of approximately $76 million (in 2022/23).”
  
  That number of staff has more than doubled under Labour. It was 48 in 2016.
  
  It sounds to me like this is a fairly good trough to be in if you’re brown.
  
  130 staff manage to spend 40k on a 2-day bender? That’s over $300 each. I guess it wasn’t mutton flaps then.
  
  Clearly it isn’t just the guy at the top that’s bent. It is the whole damn organisation!
  
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  August 9, 2023 4:20pm
  - Prince
    
    Seymour promises to ditch the whole shebang.
    Bloody good idea. As he points out. from their annual report they don’t do anything anyway.
    In unrelated (?) news, Genesis is increasing my gas bill by 18.1%.
    That’s along with rates (14%), insurance (26%), electricity (13%).
    Thanks Jacinda. Thanks Labour.
    
    Roll on October. I’m off to deliver pamphlets for National around the area. Delivering Act’s next week. It’s the least I can do.
    
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    August 9, 2023 4:30pm
  - Hard Cheese
    
    The guy is a serial trougher, another $12,500 was spent on an arrival party at his new ministry!
    
    It didn’t stop there, Leauanae wasn’t even leaving the public service, he was just moving to a new ministry – the Ministry for Culture and Heritage, where they held another party.
    
    His new ministry put about $7500 towards it which the Public Service Commission said was acceptable. But his old Ministry for Pacific Peoples spent nearly $5000 on it which was deemed inappropriate.
    
    FFS, how is $7,500 on an arrival party acceptable? Seymour is 100% right, they need to dump all these useless departments spending money and achieving nothing.
    
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    August 9, 2023 9:14pm
    - Prince
      
      Expect to be instructed by the media and Lefties that this is ‘The Pacific Way’. We must all be racist expecting accountability from the Pacifica bureaucracy.
      
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      August 9, 2023 10:01pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  That’s nothing! Wait until you see what they spend on outgoing Maori CEOs!
  
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  August 9, 2023 9:48pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Expect more of this in the future:

https://feedsnorth.com/things-get-weird-when-bill-maher-asks-swimmer-to-describe-lia-thomas-male-genitals/
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August 9, 2023 4:23pm
Ghost

Sigh

An Auckland school went into lockdown on Tuesday after a student, armed with a knife, entered the principal’s office to “scare another student”, a school leader has said.

In a post on social media, Bert Iosia, Kelston Intermediate School principal, told parents he was able to “diffuse the situation quickly” and “no one was hurt in the process”.

“It was upsetting for the child who felt threatened and we are working with their family to provide any support needed at this time.”

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August 9, 2023 4:52pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  That word “diffuse” – it does not mean what the churnalist thinks it means. The correct word is “defuse” the situation.
  
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  August 9, 2023 9:47pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Got an email today from Spark. They are closing my current plan and giving me another with unlimited data – I already have that.
If the new plan works for me, they will move me automatically on 1 January 1970.

NO SHIT!!
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August 9, 2023 5:08pm
- greybeard
  
  Me too.
  Even though my current month’s usage is still below the cap for my plan.
  I will not be paying the extra for the plan upgrade.
  However 1970 is not mentioned.
  
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  August 9, 2023 6:59pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Hobson’s Pledge, Don Brash.

https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/newsletter
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August 9, 2023 5:24pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Death penalty for Trump? This Jack Smith guy is not right in the head.

https://americanpeopledaily.com/realloadednews/trump-could-face-the-death-penalty/
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August 9, 2023 6:13pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

She just does not stop doing this:

https://libertyresolve.com/another-clinton-enemy-just-found-dead-has-direct-ties-to-bill-and-hillary/

Oh, I am going to suicide coz Killary told me to do it…..
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August 9, 2023 6:24pm
Swifty

US Civil War artillery pieces firing explosive shells:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jL1DkrYL70s
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August 9, 2023 7:15pm
Scooter

So pregnant Maori women get 2 $50 prezzie cards. First question is what proof do you need to show you are Maori or do you even need to give any and surely anyone could say my mother’s, mother’s mother was etc. Second is I would love to see what they spend their prezzie card on, but of course any analysis of whether this policy has any beneficial outcome won’t be done. Just more bribes for the race that can’t look after themselves.
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August 9, 2023 7:36pm
- Prince
  
  On average women live 4 years more that men in NZ.
  Where is the push to bribe men to go to the doctor, be pushed up the surgery waiting list etc ? Where is the special ‘for men only’ Health Dept ?
  Why is our Health system so clearly sexist ?
  
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  August 9, 2023 9:57pm
Ghost

Act have put one sign up in town, every time we go by it I think it is a labour sign, think they picked the wrong colour, lol

Plenty of National signs everywhere, no labour yet
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August 9, 2023 7:40pm
DimChappie

The Independent Police Conduct Authority has reacted to my complaint about police action at the Whangarei Stop Co Governance meeting on August 6. I read it as “case closed”:

Case Resolution
To: (DELETED)

Tēnā koe, Mr X,
Thank you for taking your time to express your concerns about the Stop Co Governance speaking event in Whangarei on 6 August 2023.
The Authority takes these seriously and we are in the process of addressing these directly with Police. However, as you were not at the event, and were not directly affected, we are unable to give you specific information about the Police response and will not be corresponding with you further.

Ngã mihi
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