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Tony Stuart

From 1News:

Labour’s finance spokesperson Grant Robertson says “it’s not going to be possible to make big promises” this election and suggested the global economy is “starting to deteriorate further”.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/08/06/not-possible-to-make-big-promises-this-election-robertson/

So how does Labour respond? They make the Mother of All Election Promises with an initial cost of $45 billion. If the Airport Light Rail project is any guide, initially costed at $3 billion by now estimated at $26 billion, this one could run into several hundred billion dollars.

So for Hipkins to have made this announcement so soon after Robertson’s declaration that big promises are off the agenda, is there now open warfare between the PM and his Finance Minister?

I note that over the weekend Robertson also commented that he is running for the job of Finance Minister only in October. Does that mean he’ll be gone the moment the votes are counted and Labour is relegated to the Opposition benches? It’s hardly a ringing endorsement of Hipkins and Labour…
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August 7, 2023 8:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  So the cyclists and walker want a crossing too. They can pay for it. Why should a retired person pay for the freeloaders?
  
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  August 7, 2023 8:21am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    To be fair, Steve, that argument is both selfish and stupid.
    
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    August 7, 2023 9:40am
  - Liberty
    
    Why should south islanders have to pay for Aucklands tunnels? The only reason one would go near to Auckland is because it has the main international airport. So you can travel to interesting cities. Where the road signs are in English. Has real history, and you dont have to wear a flak jacket to walk up the main street.
    
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    August 7, 2023 12:10pm
- pdm
  
  Inv – who would really want to give Hipkins and Labour any sort of endorsement.
  
  Robertson too for that matter.
  
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  August 7, 2023 8:22am
  - mandk
    
    To answer your question, people who misguidedly think that socialists actually care about poor people, and angry types who simply hate others who are financially successful.
    
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    August 7, 2023 8:46am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Speaking of socialists, it was so cold here one day last week I saw a socialist with his hands in his own pockets 😂
      
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      August 7, 2023 10:27am
      - Tricati
        
        Not possible – they must have borrowed someone else’s coat!!
        
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        August 7, 2023 11:22am
      - RalphT
        
        Borrowed? Stolen surely. That’s how socialism works.
        
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        August 7, 2023 11:45am
- cmm
  
  I think it would be extremely naive to believe that Robertson hasn’t padded his nest (beyond the normal padding MPs and ministers get).
  
  There have been many companies that have benefited hugely from the sloshing of Labour’s buckets of money. Quite likely one, or more, of them will find the need for a new board member.
  
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  August 7, 2023 8:24am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    The multi billion 5 waters fraud and the murderous covid response eclipse any previous NZ MP self enrichment scheme.
    
    FIXES
    – comprehensive MP conflicts policy with regular external review/oversight.
    – Criminal consequences for conflicts
    – regular independent auditing and reporting of public spending, including actual versus business case.
    – citizens referenda for policies not costed / outlined in the election campaign and for policies where actuala exceed budgets.
    -random audits of MPS and their family, especially where unexplained wealth is revealed (helen clark and the late michael cullen are 2 prime candidates).
    
    I realize each of these policies are difficult and cost money, but it is nothing compared to the Labour Party’s creation of $140 billion national debt with no tangible benefits.
    
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    August 7, 2023 9:39am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      The referenda need to be binding, every single prior CIR was rejected, even with support over 80%.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendums_in_New_Zealand#Citizens_Initiated_Referenda
      
      It takes substantial time, money and effort to get the required numbers to have a CIR accepted. They need to be binding or they need to be ditched.
      As they currently operate, they are nothing more than an illusion of democracy, a bit like parliament right now.
      
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      August 7, 2023 10:17am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        I agree the referenda need to be binding.
        
        The Marijuana and end of life referenda are excellent examples of the wisdom of the electorate crowd:
        – rejecting idiotic legislation nakedly supported by dishonest mps (chloe) and the despicable media.
        – supporting common sense end of life choices for those in severe discomfort.
        
        It is time for:
        – a climate change response referendum,
        – a TOW referendum,
        – a referendum demanding a full investigation into the covid response including an explanation how Bloomfield / Adern / Hipkins got hold of the first deadly covid batches (despite being very late joining the jab queue) then injected the deadly batches into the arms of our medical staff after the deadly and unacceptable risks were known and reported by Pfizer.
        
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        August 7, 2023 11:06am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Mark the two main parties are deadly scared of common sense rule by the majority.
        
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        August 7, 2023 1:04pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Exile. True but they are more scared of being thrown out of government In 3 years.
        
        I think we can be too despondent and forget the power of democracy.
        
        I talked to my wife about possible actions post the election (those of you who previously kindly expressed concern about my marital status….im still hanging in there) including championing a national referendum on citizens referenda and a covid audit / investigaton.
        
        If the referendum is successful, the hard work starts.
        
        When good men do nothing, evil prevails.
        
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        August 7, 2023 5:46pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Exile. True but they are also scared of being thrown out of government In 3 years.
        
        I think we can be too despondent and forget the power of democracy.
        
        I talked to my wife about possible actions post the election (those of you who previously kindly expressed concern about my marital status….im still hanging in there) including championing a national referendum on citizens referenda and a covid audit / investigaton.
        
        If the referendum is successful, the hard work starts.
        
        When good men do nothing, evil prevails.
        
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        August 7, 2023 6:41pm
- emmess
  
  There is absolutely no reason for a harbour crossing to cost 45 billion apart from the incompetence of the Labour Party.
  The incoming government should scrap those plans immediately and come up with a realistic plan, starting with National’s previous road only plan which cost around the 5 billion mark, so maybe 6 now adjusted for inflation.
  
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  August 7, 2023 8:27am
- Biscuit
  
  Agreed, Tony.
  
  Chippie to his pals: ‘We’ve had a ratshit couple of weeks, haven’t we? We needs me to get my youthful face in front of a TV camera. But what to do? I know. Lemme stand in front of Auckland Harbour and make some wild promises that can’t come back to bite me on the bum befor the election. A super-duper new bridge, two tunnels. Hell, I bet my kids will have grown up before a sod even gets turned. Oh, keep bloody Wood and Robertson away from my parade.’
  
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  August 7, 2023 8:36am
  - imalwaysright
    
    He might have stood a chance of reelection if he said today we will declare all gangs to be terrorists .
    
    And before the gasbagging starts about what is a gang- its pretty fucking obvious .
    
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    August 7, 2023 9:04am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      The odds on Hipkins declaring war on some of his keenest voters have lengthened dramatically with last week’s multiple shootings and deaths. Why, they’ve apparently even instructed the Police and MSM not to say the G-word.
      
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      August 7, 2023 9:43am
      - pdm
        
        lodden – do you mean those 3 or was it 4 isolated shooting incidents in the last two or three days?
        
        I say bullshit to Ginny when she says the Gun Register will solve these problems.
        
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        August 7, 2023 10:26am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Pdm
        
        Similar logic to thinking car registration will stop people speeding and ramraiding.
        
        We really do have morons in control.
        
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        August 7, 2023 11:03am
      - I remember when
        
        Sorry pdm:
        Was just going to suggest that the Gun Register may mean shooting incidents will not the result of Registered Gun use.
        
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        August 7, 2023 1:49pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Funny biscuit that as confirmation this was a super rush job Newshub featured a clip of Transport Minister Wood in their coverage of the great announcement. It was a Sunday after all and they had their B team on including the bar coded native newsreader who must be helping reduce the clicks for Newshub. Might be part of a native plan to acquire it by driving it down the drain first.
    
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    August 7, 2023 12:29pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The main thing is a as bout this tunnel, they announced it at the beginning of tgd year, why do these totters do this
  
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  August 7, 2023 9:09am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Why? Because they can?
    
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    August 7, 2023 9:43am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes, but it shows heaven the dumb leftie they think we are thick
      
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      August 7, 2023 11:08am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        49% of the population is below average!
        
        The government really does think their voters are stupid – and you know what, they are.
        
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        August 7, 2023 12:14pm
- Ehlana
  
  I thought we could have aerial trams from volcano to volcano all across Auckland. Think of the benefits to heart health from climbing up your nearest hill each day.
  
  “Delivery” of this will consist of pages of pretty pictures.
  
  That is how Labour does it, isn’t it?
  
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  August 7, 2023 9:46am
- Happy1
  
  It’s an emergency dontya know. No no not a climate emergency, a drop in the polls emergency.
  
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  August 7, 2023 11:26am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Tony Stuart – You still haven’t seen the trump card Robertson will play to knock out Luxon and Seymour. Wait for announcement on WFF adjustments putting in additional 150+ dollars a week to be paid by a rich prick income tax bracket of 45% on anyody earning more than 240K.
  
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  August 7, 2023 12:01pm
Simon

Rather than build a second Auckland habour crossing which is cheap and practical the state will spend decades building a glorious monument to itself. We plebs can only gasp and be humbled at the wonder and glory of the NZ Soviet.
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August 7, 2023 8:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jesus Simon, I have to agree and uptick you.
  
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  August 7, 2023 8:23am
- Matt Long
  
  Yeah, nah, this type of announcement is code for “we ain’t going to do a thing but give our favoured consultants another few hundred million and try and garner favourable comment from our friends in MSM.”
  
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  August 7, 2023 8:49am
  - RoboRob
    
    Lol, this is an announcement for all the suckas out there.
    
    They may as well promise everyone a new Porsche in 2028. They know full well that they have a very slim chance of a 3rd term so promising things that might get underway in a forth term is pretty damned safe. Even if by some miracle they achive the rare feat of 4 terms how many will remember or care about promises made in 2023.
    
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    August 7, 2023 9:11am
    - hmmokrightitis
      
      Can mine be a GT3 if I say please?
      
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      August 7, 2023 10:25am
    - OlderChas
      
      Yeah but – when they do get elected again next century whenever anything to do with the (by then) old second crossing – Labour will be able to say it was all their idea way back in 2023.
      
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      August 7, 2023 10:30am
    - gravedodger
      
      If the Charities Commission had any standards, even very low level ones Waipareira Trust would have lost their status some time ago.
      
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      August 7, 2023 10:32am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Same as the Green’s ‘free’ dental policy announcement. The predicable and predicted pre election, desperate bribe attempt.
    
    I can see some being sucked in by the thought of free dental, many are in varying degrees of misery because they can’t afford proper dental care. But there aren’t enough dentists in the country as it is without some idiotic idea of dentists in buses visiting every suburb.
    
    However, anyone being sucked in re the tunnel/bridge nonsense needs their bumps read. One word. Kiwibuild.
    
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    August 7, 2023 9:29am
    - RoboRob
      
      Whilst dental work is expensive. I like that I can make an appointment and be seen generally very quickly. If we had public dentistry imagine the wait times, needing a filling and haveing to wait 4 mths for your appointment to be seen and then another few weeks for the actual work.
      
      For some the service would be better, as they could get work done they previously couldn’t afford, but for everyone else the system would be unimaginably worse.
      
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      August 7, 2023 10:28am
      - mawm
        
        The UK NHS dental service offered good payments for foreign dentists to help out. They would get paid per filling which of course was open to abuse. The said dentists would essentially gouge a furrow through several adjacent teeth and fill and charge per tooth. This was nicknamed “the London Bridge” and the said dentists made good money.
        
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        August 7, 2023 12:35pm
    - Ghost
      
      I think, not certain, that gold card and community service card owners can already get up $1,000 dental a year. It’s a weird policy but, you’d think you’d aim it at those who can’t afford it, but the millionaires who will fund it get it too
      
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      August 7, 2023 10:33am
      - Cassandra
        
        Don’t think so.
        
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        August 7, 2023 11:11am
      - Ghost
        
        I had to look it up I remembered an article about it
        
        You can apply for up to $1,000 a year (any 52-week period), to help with immediate and essential dental treatment. You don’t have to pay this back.
        
        Paywalled article
        Government dental grants increase five-fold after policy change – over $30m in six months
        
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        August 7, 2023 11:28am
      - wsk12345
        
        A friend of mine who is on the dpb gets a $1000 dental allowance each year for her self. This year she got her teeth professionally whitened.
        
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        August 7, 2023 5:44pm
    - Flossie
      
      Takes a about 3 months to get an appointment at my dentist as it is because he is already so busy with his current patient list.
      
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      August 7, 2023 10:34am
    - rouppe
      
      Plus, the damage is done in the early years, when dental is already free.
      
      If, after you turn 18, you’re still so stupid that you drink gallons of Coke and don’t brush your teeth then what’s next?
      
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      August 7, 2023 3:37pm
  - Dougal10
    
    And tvnz is polling this week
    
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    August 7, 2023 9:58am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      TPU poll should be out this week too
      
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      August 7, 2023 11:09am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Simon bro – Toxic Greens are coming up with a rope bridge plan which is cheaper to build and environmentally friendly. Ropes for the bridge will be created from coconut fibres from pacific islands.
  
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  August 7, 2023 12:02pm
Bridgenag

Pfizer Australia executives admit importing a separate batch of covid mRNA jabs for company employees, not tested by the TGA
Were these gene-vaccines even made by the same factory as the public shots?

https://open.substack.com/pub/lettersfromaustralia/p/pfizer-australia-executives-admit?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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August 7, 2023 8:04am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Those hearings are something to behold. Not widely reported in mainstream media of course.
  
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  August 7, 2023 9:44am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Incidently the only country asking these obvious questions.
    Following closely Clan.
    
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    August 7, 2023 10:12am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Master Mariner – yup, me too. The trickle of evidence is becoming a flood, as was always going to happen.
      
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      August 7, 2023 10:38am
  - mawm
    
    Having seen some clips of those hearings I would not buy a second hand car from the Pfizer duo representing their company. Dodgy as.
    
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    August 7, 2023 12:38pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There will be a lot coming out in the future.
  Who got nice tips for saying “safe and effective?”
  It was a lie.
  
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  August 7, 2023 9:49am
- Grunter
  
  We need the same hearing here, but I don’t think there is anyone with enough balls to ask those questions.
  
  And if you still think it’s safe and effective, here’s an article giving a rundown plus video links of the actual hearing. Another conspiracy theory turns out to be correct!
  
  https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/your-injections-are-killing-our-young-people-pfizer-moderna-reps-slammed-during-heated
  
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  August 7, 2023 10:05am
Bridgenag

VAERS data is crystal clear: The COVID vaccines are killing an estimated 1 person per 1,000 doses (676,000 dead Americans)
It takes about 30 seconds to do a VAERS query that shows the COVID vaccines are deadly. The shape of the “onset curve” makes this obvious. An estimated 676,000 Americans have been killed.

https://open.substack.com/pub/stevekirsch/p/vaers-data-is-crystal-clear-the-covid?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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August 7, 2023 8:04am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The upcoming documentary covering the Wellington protest isn’t far away. Looking at this trailer, it is going to be a very good watch.
  
  Take your river of filth and shove it, here’s the ‘River of Freedom’.
  
  https://twitter.com/HopeRising19/status/1688284059825250304?s=20
  
  That short trailer gave me goosebumps, it captured the essence of the protest as it felt to me in the 10 days I was there.
  Never forget.
  
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  August 7, 2023 9:50am
  - coge
    
    They day we travelled to Parliament, about half an hour in front of the convoys. Is a day I’ll never forget.
    
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    August 7, 2023 10:56am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I met some of the mandated police officers first day there. One of them features in that trailer.
      
      It was a pleasure to shake his hand that day, and the hands of his colleagues sitting on the steps of parliament. A genuine pleasure, as opposed to looking up at the media and politicians peeking out from the balcony and from behind the curtains in the main building. Like modern day Marie Antoinettes.
      A moment in my life I will never forget.
      
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      August 7, 2023 11:14am
Kiwiguy

Two contributors to Stuff who don’t have the balls to open the comments on their articles:
Tova
Joel Maxwell.
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August 7, 2023 8:08am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  That is admission there is need to comment on articles no one should bother to read.
  
  Tova has spent enough time as Ardern’s cheerleader to disqualify herself as a credible journalist and who is Joel Maxwell.
  
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  August 7, 2023 8:26am
- RoboRob
  
  Not having the comments section open is no problem for those who choose not to read any drivel written by Tova.
  
  Unlike news papers, Stuff can see which of its ‘journalists’ are being read and which aren’t. I am never clicking a Tova ‘story’.
  
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  August 7, 2023 9:13am
Souvlaki

Saturday interview between David Seymour & TV3 Simon Shepherd…for your entertainment:
https://youtu.be/hThE13_zXWM
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August 7, 2023 8:10am
- Grumpy Silver Haired Female
  
  Loved it. David Seymour refused to react to Shepherd’s attempts to drive the conversation his way. It was also refreshing that Seymour didn’t in any way seem constrained by other media trainers’ advice. Too often what is said by politicians is pussyfooting around what they really should/want to say. He said what he wanted to say, clearly and got his point across.
  
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  August 7, 2023 8:22am
- emmess
  
  Compare that with the fellating of Wille Jackson
  https://youtu.be/qn18aRbLbpo
  
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  August 7, 2023 8:37am
- Tricati
  
  Good to see Seymour pushing back hard. Shepard’s body language say’s it all, he was getting rattled and pissed off.
  Whoever is coaching Seymour, needs to get hold of Luxon now and school him up to push back and take no prisoners with these left leaning mouth-pieces.
  
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  August 7, 2023 8:39am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Shephard the sheep thinks that other people think he is intelligent.
    
    It was funny when Seymour started answering the questions before Shep asked them, and then had to tell him.
    
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    August 7, 2023 10:18am
    - emmess
      
      Clip didn’t work no need to approve
      
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      August 7, 2023 6:01pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The best one to push back was when Chris Bishop was on with Shepard, he really got stuck into about not letting him finish, and inventing the Nats policies
    
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    August 7, 2023 11:32am
- Random T Person
  
  That Simon clown really didn’t want to let David answer the questions he was asking. How frustrating.
  
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  August 7, 2023 8:54am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He is tgd same with anyone but leftie nutters
    
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    August 7, 2023 7:56pm
- Clyde
  
  Simon Shepherd fails in the first test of being an interviewer – he was more interested in putting forward his views. I hope that he joins the ranks of unemployed after a review of NZ’s MSM objectivity.
  
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  August 7, 2023 9:20am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    And the second test – when you ask a question, allow your guest to answer it.
    
    And the third – listen to what they say before you ask your next question. Shepherd was cutting Seymour off with his next brilliant gotcha question, delivered breathlessly.
    
    Well, attempting to without much success as Seymour skewered him neatly. What a train wreck of an interview, it will have gained Seymour a lot of new followers.
    
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    August 7, 2023 9:46am
    - Hard Cheese
      
      “Who’s they?”. Two words from Seymour exposed Shepherd’s divisive worldview for all to see LOL
      
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      August 7, 2023 1:43pm
  - mawm
    
    Clyde – this is the BBC tactic – asking a question that suggests what the persons views are and then not allowing them to answer/defend themselves.
    
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    August 7, 2023 12:59pm
- Jack5
  
  David Seymour was excellent. Does anyone-else in NZ come near him in fencing bouts with the Woke?
  
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  August 7, 2023 9:27am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Damn, David is good. On point, clear, rational and actual addresses the points and attempted ‘gotchas’.
  Principled, and he is not ashamed or squirming about anything he says.
  The interviewer is trying to nail David, but I think David will be winning over any middle-ground type person watching this.
  And that is the point. You dont have to be all things to all people. You have to be coherent and demonstrate reason.
  
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  August 7, 2023 12:03pm
  - Unity
    
    I also went to David’s meeting in Nelson yesterday and again he was excellent. He just might be the person to put the Treaty back in its file where it should have long stayed as it is NOT our founding document. Queen Victoria’s Royal Charter/ Letters Patent dated 16 November 1840 is our true founding document which annexed us from NSW,
    and made NZ into a British Colony with a Government and Constitution that set up NZ’s Political, Legal and Justice systems under one flag and one law, irrespective o race, colour or creed.. If we could bring it forth, that would kill the Treaty once and for all. So much is being teased out of it that was never ever intended. The rest of the Politicians are more interested in their own re-election than the truth. They are cowards but David is just so cool, calm and collected and so on point about everything. Luxon could learn so much.
    
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    August 7, 2023 1:36pm
Southern Raider

Do we think Tamahere will pay it back?

Another Māori rort of public funds. Isn’t Waiarepa Trust setup to deliver improved health outcomes, not paying for Mayoral campaigns and Party launches?

Putting aside even the Māori Party election launch, why was the Trust funding a large public Matariki event as surely none of that aligns with its purpose either

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/d-day-for-tamihere-campaign-loan-te-pati-maori-election-launch-probed/2EWSLJMPGFDBPHJEN6UNYUJHEI/
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August 7, 2023 8:11am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I don’t think JT pays back anyone.
  I used to like him, not now.
  
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  August 7, 2023 8:28am
  - RoboRob
    
    Taking a play straight from his mate Matt McCarton.
    
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    August 7, 2023 9:15am
- Warren
  
  Go back when Slave Gate dogged Labour and the Mystery donation that the no one including the fraud office could identify and then ask yourself will he get what’s due after a second time, I very much doubt it.
  
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  August 7, 2023 8:50am
- Nickc2
  
  As I’ve said before, never stand between a Maori and someone else’s cheque book!
  
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  August 7, 2023 9:12am
- gravedodger
  
  If the Charities Commission had any standards, even very low level ones Waipareira Trust would have lost their status some time ago.
  
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  August 7, 2023 9:21am
  - Cassandra
    
    The Charities office (it’s no longer a commission) is not interested in Maori Rory’s, so don’t have any expectations. Having been hounded (unsuccessfully but still a year of stress) by these people myself I know who they target – elderly white males seem to be the main target. Tamihere can continue his good work on behalf of Tamihere.
    
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    August 7, 2023 10:19am
- kowtow
  
  Funding events .
  
  Events employ people , buy food and drink etc. That costs money that benefits someone .
  
  People think that all these “entertainments” that govts, local and national , sports bodies , “charities” etc put on are for their benefit .
  
  Maybe the sheep need to do some deeper thinking about who benefits from all this ” bread and circus” stuff.
  
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  August 7, 2023 9:31am
- jon
  
  Am sure Stuff will have widespread coverage of this story. Imagine if the Nats or Act were using funds from a charity to further their cause. All hell would break loose in the media! Who would ever trust Tamihere anyway.
  
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  August 7, 2023 9:39am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Gosh, I expect folks from the Disinformation Project are investigating this funding of a Political Party by a charity at this very moment.//
    
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    August 7, 2023 10:08am
    - Matt Long
      
      Figuring out how to do same, Maggy?
      
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      August 7, 2023 10:16am
      - Matt Long
        
        To clarify, I mean the disinformation project would be looking into how they could do the same as Tamahere.
        
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        August 7, 2023 1:57pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  It’s great, the more the corruption among the Maori elite is exposed, the more ordinary, decent Maori will realise they are con artists and fraudsters and abandon them.
  
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  August 7, 2023 9:53am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I will put up the stop co governance thing later.
    Right now waiting for surgery.
    
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    August 7, 2023 10:42am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Hope it all goes well for you Steve and nobody jumps the queue!!
      
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      August 7, 2023 11:27am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Glad to see a suggestion that the charity might be de-registered, and that they are also looking at the Maori Party election launch that was also hosted/bankrolled by the Trust. Apparently ‘complaints received’ and even academics coming out and saying it is clear-cut misuse.
  All adds up to them hopefully not getting away with it, and increasingly being under a lens.
  Corruption: cynically using a charitable trust as a piggy bank.
  Another hint around why we don’t need ‘te ao Maori’ or any separate systems or legal values in NZ.
  
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  August 7, 2023 12:16pm
Maggie Pie

Things that make you go hmmm….

Some speculation on Twitter over the weekend that Kiri & Meng may be cooking something up between them 🙁
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August 7, 2023 8:15am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Asian/Maori Fusion restaurant?
  
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  August 7, 2023 8:20am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL!
    
    With a couple of Pokies in the back corner.
    
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    August 7, 2023 11:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You can bet your bottom dollar it involves racial stirring.
  
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  August 7, 2023 8:30am
  - cmm
    
    … and a trough. There’s got to be a trough.
    
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    August 7, 2023 9:11am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      A trough each!
      
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      August 7, 2023 10:43am
- kevn
  
  Maggie…Forming a ‘Resignation under a Cloud’ Club?
  Plenty of candidates.
  
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  August 7, 2023 8:35am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    That or “its because I’m not white you colonist bastards” Club.
    
    Taking responsibility seems so last week.
    
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    August 7, 2023 8:49am
  - rockape
    
    Wasn’t Jacinda a founder member ?
    
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    August 7, 2023 2:38pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Organising a night on the piss in Wellington with Tory ?
  
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  August 7, 2023 8:56am
- Scooter
  
  Meth?
  
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  August 7, 2023 11:01am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Slop?
  
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  August 7, 2023 1:06pm
Scott

Watch the video which shows the abuse hurled at Julian Batchelor at his co governance meetings.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid032wgZMhcfHW9K3RLxApSRwXT6M7mnRhpK1YtieV6dbXzvhPZ1DsxGXmypFJcq8CWrl&id=652352937&mibextid=K8Wfd2

To me this really shows the ugly side of New Zealand right now. We are run by ex-student activists and many New Zealanders act like student activists. We don’t listen to any other opinion, we don’t want to win over hearts and minds, we are going to use force and abuse to get our way.

Unfortunately the forces of law and order and government at the moment are in league with the student activist mindset. So essentially we have people who are radicals running the show. The lunatics are running the asylum.

We need proper debate about co-governance. It was stealthily introduced by the Labour government who never admitted to it until found out. No one has ever voted for it because it has never been on the ballot.

Make no mistake. This election is about a lot of things. But one of those primary things, one of the most important things, is do we want co-governance? Do we want separate Maori health providers, Maori tribes having control of the water, Maori representation on all city councils, whether elected or not? Do we want the vote of the 15% of people who identify as Maori to be worth five times the vote of everybody else?

As for me I am voting for democracy and one person one vote. Regardless of race.
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August 7, 2023 8:15am
- DimChappie
  
  At the Whangarei Stop Co Governance meeting on Sunday, the police commander was looking for any legal loophole to close it down. I urge people to complain here: info@ipca.govt.nz
  
  Here is Julian’s report:
  
  https://shorturl.at/euJ38
  Here is my email complain you are welcome to use/edit: I am horrified by the lack of police action to protect the Stop Co Governance meeting in Whangarei on Sunday August 5.
  
  I fully believe Mr Batchelor’s account here: https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Whangarei-SCG-meeting-6th-August.pdf
  
  It is clear the officer in charge (Deane Begbie, the Whangarei commander) was looking for a legal excuse to shut the meeting down, rather than protecting the meeting from disruptive protesters. Protesters were allowed to prevent entry to the hall.
  
  This is not right, Stop Co Governance is a legitimate organisation and there is a geat and growing public appetite for its message. Police should be protecting the meetings, not acting in the interests of disruptive, mainly Maori activist protesters. Siding with the protesters as outlined by Mr Batchelor above, is terrible. I expect police to uphold the law, not support Maori radical protesters preventing a meeting from being held.
  
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  August 7, 2023 10:38am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Thanks for doing that Sir. I was in Hospital for surgery. I did know Whangarei would be interesting because of Sport Northland/ messing about Julian last time up there.
    When are the NZ POLICE going to be reprimanded or SACKED for not doing their jo?
    I will repost tomorrow because there will be comments on the blog.
    Good to see more and more on this blog taking a genuine interest.
    
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    August 7, 2023 7:18pm
fightingtemeraire

When is the latest Curia poll out???
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August 7, 2023 8:17am
- lifesgood
  
  Mike Hosking gave a tiny snapshot of it this morning…our at least a Northland Curia poll. Seems they are all going blue up there. Brilliant. That’s if you can take the very small response as proof.
  
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  August 7, 2023 11:33am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Good job. Means we won’t end up with that narcissist King or any of his lightweight mates.
    
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    August 7, 2023 4:59pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    There was a Northland poll mentioned on here last week, the poster seemed to know it was Curia, snd it had the Nats bolting in, King only on 2% and Jones on 6%
    
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    August 7, 2023 8:01pm
    - Ghost
      
      https://thebfd.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Northland-Poll-Results-July-2023.pdf
      
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      August 7, 2023 8:11pm
- Martonman
  
  I was polled last Monday
  
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  August 7, 2023 11:37am
Chuck Bird

This shows the claim about 99% of climate scientists support claims made by alarmists is a lie.

Nobel Physics Laureate 2022 Slams ‘Climate Emergency’ Narrative as “Dangerous Corruption of Science”

Dr. Clauser is not the first Nobel physics prize-winner to challenge the ‘settled’ scientific and political narrative of climate change. The World Climate Declaration has been signed by around 300 climate professors, and declares: “There is no climate emergency.”

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/07/14/nobel-physics-laureate-2022-slams-climate-emergency-narrative-as-dangerous-corruption-of-science/
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August 7, 2023 8:20am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Coincidence to the European heatwave?
  https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-detect-highest-energy-light-ever-seen-from-the-sun
  
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  August 7, 2023 8:40am
  - Bullion
    
    Did you read the article?
    
    It is gamma radiation which our atmosphere blocks, it was data for the years 2014-2021 and ” it did not correlate to heightened solar activity; or, indeed, any solar activity,” which we know does impact climate.
    
    So no link to heatwaves.
    
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    August 7, 2023 11:00am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Yep read it from another site.
      Science Alert is a voice piece for the climate change narrative.
      What it does high light is , How little we know, especially Solar Radiation.
      As the Sun is now past its 11 year peak of Solar Maxima. Corona mass ejections etc ,
      In my mind, The big unknowns are the effects of Magnetic North moving rapidly and now they are saying there is more water under the plates .
      The Climate narrative is falling apart, and incidently ESG funding / Accounting.
      Now there is a surprise//
      
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      August 7, 2023 12:06pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Does that mean more Aurora?
    
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    August 7, 2023 7:22pm
- cmm
  
  Probably really no more than the number of doctors that really supported the jab.
  
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  August 7, 2023 8:52am
- Handyman
  
  The same survey revealed 97% of bishops (experts in the field of God) believe in God.
  QED God exists.
  
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  August 7, 2023 9:45am
  - Cassandra
    
    I very much doubt that. The survey will actually show that 97% of bishops used to belive in God, when that we’re first ordained. Now it’s much less – 50%?
    
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    August 7, 2023 10:21am
    - Rusty
      
      @Cassandra,
      
      Then why do these bishops stay in the church if they don’t believe God exists?
      
      My guess is because they are on a good income and good perks of the job.
      
      Absolute hypocrites.
      
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      August 7, 2023 11:29am
      - Handyman
        
        Nice tieback @Rusty to the 97% of climate scientists.
        
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        August 7, 2023 1:55pm
    - mawm
      
      Cassandra – I would include the current pope in the non-believer group.
      
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      August 7, 2023 1:06pm
- Bullion
  
  I look forward to reading Dr. Clauser’s peer reviewed research debunking climate science.
  
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  August 7, 2023 10:52am
Maggie Pie

Labor’s idea of utopia?

People wanting genital-altering surgery has leapt more than 160% since Labor introduced public funding. And demand is growing…..

https://stuff.co.nz/health/300941796/people-flocking-for-gender-surgery-after-funding-boost
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August 7, 2023 8:23am
- Kiwiguy
  
  You can bet your bottom dollar the unintended consequences will be significant, once again.
  Time will tell what the stats on the resultant mental health issues and numbers of reversal procedures will look like, but it won’t be pretty.
  
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  August 7, 2023 8:36am
- Ruahine
  
  Having read that, something is getting my knickers in a twist.
  
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  August 7, 2023 8:46am
- pdm
  
  `genital-altering surgery’
  
  Sounds eye wateringly painful at best.
  
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  August 7, 2023 8:46am
  - Master Mariner
    
    I guess Genital Mutilation from overseas is now not a thing.
    My mind boggles.
    
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    August 7, 2023 12:09pm
    - mawm
      
      Hospitals and staff that used to fall over each other to offer sympathy and remedial surgery to women from the Horn of Africa who had been mutilated now want to do the mutilating!
      
      I would like to see a survey of how many of the “gender reassigned” have satisfactory sex let alone a relationship with someone of the “opposite” gender.
      
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      August 7, 2023 1:14pm
  - peterwn
    
    One guy was moaning how painful his new ‘uterus’ was continuing to be.
    
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    August 7, 2023 1:56pm
- Handyman
  
  I can solve two problems with one policy:
  Teenagers wanting cosmetic genital surgery can get it on the public system.
  They go on the queue and by the time they get an appointment (3 – 4 years) they have grown up don’t need it any more.
  
  Surgeries for accidents, cancer and other life saving operations can go ahead in the meantime.
  
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  August 7, 2023 8:51am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The main thing is a as bout this tunnel, they announced it at the beginning of tgd year, why do these totters do this
  
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  August 7, 2023 9:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Why? Because they can?
    
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    August 7, 2023 9:57am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Easy, Any thing they announce means putting the Gravy Train in motion for consultants. Easy money for no outcomes.
    Not Rocket Science
    
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    August 7, 2023 10:19am
- Rusty
  
  @Maggie,
  
  I didn’t know genital altering surgery was public funded.
  
  As far as I’m concerned if someone wants their VG or John Thomas changed — they pay for it.
  
  And if there are complications after surgery — they pay for it.
  
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  August 7, 2023 9:40am
  - Notsofast
    
    Like the guy in Canada recently. The aftermath was so disastrous he applied for Trudeau’s new euthanasia service.
    But denied!
    
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    August 7, 2023 10:04am
Scooter

David Seymour bitch slapped Simon. If there was ever an example of the dire state of media in NZ it’s this interview.
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August 7, 2023 8:29am
mandk

I was reading over the weekend about people under the age of 25 getting a lower rate of Jobseeker Benefit.

But the standout point for me was that there are nearly 34,000 of them in NZ.

How can that possibly be tolerated? There is plenty of work and presumably the 34,000 are not sick or disabled, because otherwise they would be on a different type of benefit.

And how can it be in the interests of the individuals themselves, their families, their communities and their country for them to be idle?

They really need to be told that there are no benefits for them and that they need to move to where jobs are available (i.e., pretty well anywhere in NZ).
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August 7, 2023 8:33am
- Ghost
  
  It will include sick, not sure about disabled they should be on assisted living
  
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  August 7, 2023 10:20am
  - mandk
    
    34,000 sick under 25 year olds?
    
    All damaged by the vaxx?
    
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    August 7, 2023 11:10am
    - Ghost
      
      Jobseekers includes what used to be the sickness benefit so some on it will have illness as the article you mentioned actually was about a girl who had a disability but wanted to work, however was getting less because of her age on the job seekers.
      
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      August 7, 2023 11:35am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  My partner is on it. Pretty hard for a 64 year old woman to find a job.
  
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  August 7, 2023 10:50am
  - Ghost
    
    Depends what she wants. We’ve got elderly on the counter of our supermarket, a few oldies working at burnings. Semi retired guy as a council parking warden
    
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    August 7, 2023 10:59am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Thing is Ghost, at 64 would you like to spend 4 hours on public transport every weekday to do a 5 to 6 hour part time job?
      
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      August 7, 2023 7:29pm
  - mandk
    
    I’m sure it is, but I was talking about under 25 year olds.
    
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    August 7, 2023 11:09am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yes ⅘
      
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      August 7, 2023 3:35pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Don’t know what that means. M on a cellphone!
        
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        August 7, 2023 7:42pm
- artemisia
  
  First catch your hare. IOW an employer willing to hire them.
  
  Anyway not that hard to find supplementary income sources these days. These activities need time of course, and time can be tricky if actually working in a legit job.
  
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  August 7, 2023 10:55am
- Piniwi
  
  Actually the Job Seeker benefit DOES include people with disabilities even the girl featured doing the bitching has disabilities and can only work part time. Perhaps a split personality as one side of her head was blonde and the other brunette most likely leading many bad hair days. But in the meantime the Minister is not feeling the kindness to do anything about it because the money has all gone and cut backs are essential
  
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  August 7, 2023 1:14pm
Jack5

Hadn’t noticed that Meng Foon, the former Race Relations Commissioner, is a director of NZ’s biggest agricultural services company, PGG Wrightson.

The appointment was before Foon left his race job, and probably then was seen as just a sidelight in a social justice warrior’s career. Yet this is an important company in the agricultural export businesses that keep New Zealand economically viable.

Foon joined the PPG Wrightson board on 29 June 2022, a year before he resigned his race relations post after failing to declare payments of $2 million he took for emergency housing while director of an investment company.

PGG Wrightson is 44.33 per cent owned by Agria (Singapore), and 11.96 per cent by Elders Australia.

Four weeks ago, PGG Wrightson’s chairman, Joo Hai Lee, of Penang, Malaysia, announced he was stepping down from the company’s board and its audit committee. He said this was “to eliminate the ongoing distraction caused due to media and market attention regarding the securities regulation matters that he is defending in Singapore”.

The Straits Times, of Singapore, reported last year that Joo Hai Lee was a director, between 2011 and 2018, of Hyflux, a Singapore water-treatment firm that diversified into energy.

Six people related to Hyflux have been charged under Singapore’s Securities and Futures Act.

In 2021, Hyflux was ordered to be wound up, with likely total loss of about 900 million Singapore dollars (about $NZ1.1 billion) for about 34,000 holders of its perpetual securities and preference shares.

In 2019, the High Court of NZ fined PGG Wrightson’s key shareholder, the Singapore-based Agria Corporation, $220,000 for breaching its requirement to be of “good character” in relation to its controlling stake in the Christchurch-based agriculture company.

The court also ordered Agria to sell down its stake in PGG Wrightson from 50.2 per cent interest in PGG Wrightson to 46.5 per cent.

In 2018, America’s Securities and Exchange Commission found Agria cuilty of fraudulent accounting. The SEC summarised:

“Agria violated the anti-fraud, reporting, books and records, and internal accounting control provisions of the federal securities laws. Between 2010 and 2013, Agria engaged in a course of fraudulent accounting related to its July 2010 divestiture of Taiyuan Primalights III Modernized Agriculture Development Co., Ltd. (‘P3A’), a consolidated affiliated entity. Agria materially overstated the value of the consideration it received in the transaction and concealed material losses as a result of the divestiture.”

NZ’s traditional farmer-owned co-ops were looked down on by sharp financial folk, yet some foreign co-ops have done very well, and done well in NZ. For example, Dutch Rabobank, which is active in NZ banking and finance, and the German farm co-operative which is a leader in introducing robotics to NZ apple growing.
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August 7, 2023 8:37am
Bridgenag

Two verifiable anecdotes are the mathematical proof that vaccines cause SIDS and autism. Steve Kirsch –
“I’m going to share two, verifiable anecdotes, that prove, without a doubt, that vaccines cause SIDS and autism. Basically, the medical community claims black swans don’t exist. I easily found them.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/stevekirsch/p/two-verifiable-anecdotes-are-the?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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August 7, 2023 8:38am
cmm

Last week there was a huge kerfuffel in South Africa about the EFF calling for the the killing of Boers.

This was tested in court a few years back and was not deemed to be hate speech because, as EFF claimed, this was just singing the old “liberation song” of the 1970s/80s and in that “Boers” really stood for the whole apartheid system – not just individual white people.

So, the theory does, calling for the killing of Boers is calling for ending the remnants of apartheid and not actually going and killing farmers.

To an extent I think this is correct. When I lived in Cape Town (1980-83, 1988-1992) we called the police “the boere”. This was a commonly used term by many people – especially English speakers of more liberal persuasion and the Coloured people.

But this is now almost 30 years since 1994. I doubt very much that the police or “the system” in general is still refered to as boere.

On the flip side of this is the argument that “boer” means “white people”. Nope, it does not. It more specifically means Afrikaners.

In Xhosa (the language used in the ANC song – before being translated into English), the word that is used in Amabulu (= boers). That is distinct to the word that is used for white people in general – Abelungu”.

Further, if one looks back to things like the old graffiti in Soweto schools “Disarm the police and kill the boers”, clearly the police and boers are distinct other wise they’d have said disarm the boers and kill whites” or some such.

But, whatever, EFF’s Malema is the only good orator in South Africa at the moment. SA has over 40% unemployed and over 60% unemployed amongst the younger generation. With numbers like that he can potentially sweep to power if he can motivate his voters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6NJitdq8Bk
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August 7, 2023 8:47am
- rouppe
  
  So you reckon someone going around looking for a Boer to kill and seeing a random white person is going to be able to tell the difference just by looking at them?
  
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  August 7, 2023 9:19am
  - cmm
    
    That is not what I am saying at all.
    
    At other times Malema has wished violence on all white people and has a particular dislike of Indians, so it isn’t just the boers in isolation.
    
    You are quite correct that if the knives come out then nobody is going to do a language test or ask who your father is. All whites are going to be treated the same – even if they were ANC supporters during apartheid.
    
    And it’s not just a race thing either but also an economic thing. Whites are seen to be rich whether they are or not. When those 60% of unemployed younger people decide they want a cut of their entitlement they are not going to look for it in shanty town.
    
    If it does come down to a civil war then it won’t just be race vs race, but also tribe vs tribe.
    
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    August 7, 2023 9:45am
- Master Mariner
  
  Is he not originally Zimbabwean ?
  I see he packed out the stadium during his recent Rally.
  
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  August 7, 2023 10:24am
  - cmm
    
    I don’t think it matters whether his parents were Zimbabwean or not. Bottom line is that, like him or not, he’s a bloody good orator and has latched onto some issues that some very desperate people are passionate about.
    
    The 60% unemployed youth and youth adjacent are keen for something and the offers of free stuff are rather appealing.
    
    At the same time, the ANC voters are finding less and less to support so either switch to other parties or won’t be bothered to vote.
    
    For a country that pushed so hard for one man one vote, the voter turn out isn’t that high and is likely to be far lower in the 2024 election.
    
    He’s a Pan Africanist. Many of the younger generation support the one-Africa idea, but even more just want the free stuff.
    
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    August 7, 2023 10:43am
    - mawm
      
      He is a dangerous person who is deliberately stoking racial division. A lot of people think he is an ANC attack dog especially with the way he is tolerated by the said ANC. Are they preparing for the “second” revolution and a massive “cleansing” of whites and Indians (like Durban 1949)?
      
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      August 7, 2023 1:25pm
      - cmm
        
        Yes he certainly is dangerous. But ultimately he’s not really stoking the division as just providing a way for people to direct their current anger/frustrations.
        
        I know everyone rolls their eyes when you talk of Hitler, but in this case the comparison is warranted. Both were excellent speakers and managed to get huge support form the disaffected.
        
        It would be naive to say that Hitler caused Germans to go Nazi. Nope, they were ready to do so. They had many things to be grumpy about. What Hitler provided was the mechanism by which they could come together and a direction in which to move.
        
        Exactly the same is happening with the EFF in South Africa.
        
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        August 7, 2023 2:33pm
sirknz

Oh look, another incident over the weekend:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-guarding-scene-of-unexplained-death-at-northcote-point/YPUSKZ5AIJAETKERPMFIQNHCZY/

The house has had the AOS called out previously.

Any bets on which night the house will burn down this week?
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August 7, 2023 8:48am
Maggie Pie

And I’ll tell you something else…

Fidel Castro would be turning in his grave 🙁

https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1688265604799574016
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August 7, 2023 8:57am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, if Mexico has 12% LGBT why the need for our Green MP to come here with his partner?
  
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  August 7, 2023 9:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Commies?
    
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    August 7, 2023 9:59am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    $160k + per year as an unelected parasite in a Marxist political paradise. In Mechico he’d need to be a drug mule for the cartels for a couple of years to even get close……
    
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    August 7, 2023 10:25am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Daddy would have been so proud…….!
  
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  August 7, 2023 10:23am
- lifesgood
  
  So that’s why he left his wife?
  
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  August 7, 2023 11:37am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    No no….that’s his son
    
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    August 7, 2023 11:56am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Maggie I take it you are logged into Twitter?
  
  Without being logged in it appears one is fed a crapola limited snapshot of the page.
  
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  August 7, 2023 5:09pm
Jack5

On Massey University’s plan to build what it calls a “major face-to-face campus” in Singapore, after recently asking hundreds of its New Zealand staff to consider voluntary redundancy.

Singapore: GDP per capita (2021), fourth highest in world at $US106,000.

New Zealand: GDP per capita (2021) $US42,900, world’s 42nd highest.

(Source: CIA World Factbook).

New Zealand education was a justifiable help as the new republic of Singapore slogged away to reach economic viability. But now?
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August 7, 2023 8:59am
- Ehlana
  
  I thought Massey University was publicly owned? Surely we didn’t set up our public universities to be able to build campuses in other countries?
  
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  August 7, 2023 10:01am
kowtow

Police are searching for three gunmen who’re alleged to have been involved in three separate shootings in which three people have died and one injured .

The shootings have been described as “isolated incidents”.
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August 7, 2023 9:08am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Do we know if the three incidents have anything in common? Apart from guns, obviously.
  
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  August 7, 2023 7:15pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Labour’s attempt to have equitable outcomes for Maori in our Justice and Corrections services is producing some very damaging results.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/muriel-newman-cultural-injustice
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August 7, 2023 9:14am
- Matt Long
  
  “In 2021, a farmer, found guilty of breaching Regional Council Resource Management Act consents, received a three-month prison sentence” while the prison minister attempts to reduce Maori custodial sentences to race based quotas.
  Coincidentally, blocking the Whareora Hall door yesterday to the public to protest against racial equality yesterday was the chair of the Northland Regional Council.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/stop-co-governance-tour-in-whangarei-met-by-peaceful-protest/6CD34WJDQNHWRPKNYKRJBN43YM/
  
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  August 7, 2023 10:47am
Yvette

Prime Minister Chris Hipkins reveals two new road tunnels for second Auckland harbour crossing

Do you mean that, perhaps for decades now, media has been feeding us scare-porn of volcanic eruption scenarios for the Auckland region and government has done nothing whatsoever to allay such miss- and diss-information, or is it a plan that after the Election, if there is any Labour ministers, one of them will say Oops! – we’re just read all these brilliant articles outlining volcanic eruption scenarios for the Auckland region – well, bugger, no tubules under the Waitemata

And surely by the time Labour could deliver on this, we will be due for a volcanic corruption – oops! erruption
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August 7, 2023 9:22am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The funny thing is he never mentioned cars or truck, he said light rail, cyclists and walking, I might have must something, but would these assholes actually do as they said earlier in the year and not have it for cars?
  
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  August 7, 2023 9:38am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Chippy reveals two new road tunnels? He’s been hiding those very well, if that’s the case!
  
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  August 7, 2023 9:57am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I think one of the tunnels he’s referring to could be Robertson’s hole? Asking for a friend….
    
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    August 7, 2023 10:28am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Labour have been digging a massive hole for 6 years now – they may as well get some use out of it.
    
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    August 7, 2023 10:33am
- Ehlana
  
  Why exactly are people who believe in catastrophic rising sea levels planning to build underground tunnels?
  
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  August 7, 2023 10:02am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yep, And not too mention the outcome of an EV fire in one of those tunnels.
    
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    August 7, 2023 10:26am
    - Yvette
      
      Electric vehicle fires on ships & ferries
      Updated: Sep 14, 2022
      The Felicity Ace is drifting in the Atlantic with thousands of burning vehicles from the Volkswagen Group onboard, some of them electric. But what do we know about electric vehicle fires on ships & media claims that their lithium ion batteries are contributing to fire intensity & duration?
      
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      August 7, 2023 10:46am
      - Master Mariner
        
        I would like to answer fully but at work and shite internet etc
        Google Allianz report transporting EV by sea.
        Also,
        Norwegian carrier bans shipping EV.
        So with this in mind, How is Kiwi Rail and 2 new hybrid powered vessels going to work out.
        ??
        
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        August 7, 2023 12:23pm
  - Yvette
    
    Ehlana, the level of the Waitemata will drop a bit when an unknown fault shears the sea floor and water filled all three tunnels.
    
    And four G the giant from Dunedin, I understand the cars and trucks go in a couple of the submerged tunnels, freeing up a lane on the existing bridge. Actually cars in tunnels it’s quite a novel idea since you just suck out and pro-serious the carbon fumes, although I’m not quite sure what you do about the afixie-eighted drivers and passengers.
    
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    August 7, 2023 10:37am
    - Yvette
      
      That may be interesting – when a computer makes mistakes in taking your dictation, it won’t necessarily recognise those mistakes as mistakes when you get it to read what it has written back to you. A little like Einsteins “to solve the problem we need thinking different to the thinking which got us in to the problem”. I guess that’s were AI comes in
      
      “pro-serious” above, should have been “process’
      
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      August 7, 2023 10:57am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Something for the Mods.
The very first comment on GD today is from Tony Stuart. It says December 7th 2022.
Maybe it is just me.

[Mod – we are having a few problems with the blog, hopefully all fixed soon]
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August 7, 2023 9:36am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Nope, you’re right – well spotted.
  
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  August 7, 2023 9:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I was meaning it may lead to the cause of the current problem.
    
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    August 7, 2023 10:02am
- Tony Stuart
  
  It was definitely written this morning. I’m not sufficiently psychic to have predicted this eight months ago 🤔
  
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  August 7, 2023 10:34am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I saw it and thought it may be some help for a fix.
    
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    August 7, 2023 10:58am
Maggie Pie

WHAT MAORI RADICALS WANT TO KEEP SECRET!

Further proof of NZ civilisation long before Kupe’s arrival.
Yet the ‘Department-of-Conservation’ in Kaikohe, have restricted the release of documents until 2063! WHY?

https://waikanaewatch.org/2023/08/06/undeniable-proof-of-nz-civilisation-before-kupe/
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August 7, 2023 9:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The gravy train will be coming to a screaming halt soon.
  
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  August 7, 2023 10:06am
  - Matt Long
    
    It really makes no difference if Maori were the original people’s in NZ, they’re the victims of White Colonialist Oppression so get preferred status.
    Divide et impera is the way forward for neo Marxists, they’ll find identity group victims everywhere.
    
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    August 7, 2023 11:06am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      The unelected craptivists at the UN say Maori are the only 1st class citizens so nobody should be questioning this! /
      
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      August 7, 2023 5:12pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I question it, or am I not allowed to ask questions of the corrupt?
        
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        August 7, 2023 7:50pm
  - cut n paster
    
    6 years of Hell
    
    https://ibb.co/0Vbjt4q
    
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    August 7, 2023 7:40pm
- rangitoto
  
  Not any kind of proof. Marine specimens can’t be used for carbon dating as dissolved CO2 from sea water always shows older in terms of C14 content.
  
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  August 7, 2023 10:22am
  - cmm
    
    Perhaps you are right, but then open the document up to scrutiny.
    
    Banning its release for 30 years just makes for conspiracy theories etc.
    
    And the last few years “conspiracy theories” have a terrible habit of proving true.
    
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    August 7, 2023 10:49am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Just ask Trump!!
      
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      August 7, 2023 10:59am
  - Matt Long
    
    It would be unusual if New Zealander was not populated before 800 years ago, entirely possible.
    It’s just curious that artefacts that may point in the direction of previous inhabitants and kept secret.
    
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    August 7, 2023 10:55am
    - rangitoto
      
      No idea why it is being kept secret – that is odd. Never heard of archaeology being kept secret whether it is right or wrong. It’s quite possible that some polynesians arrived earlier and didn’t survive and/or left, or did survive in small numbers before the main arrivals. If there was a large civilisation, there would be wide spread evidence.
      
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      August 7, 2023 2:26pm
      - Ghost
        
        There has been, and in some cases it has been destroyed, in other cases removed and covered up.
        
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        August 7, 2023 2:49pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        I can absolutely see why any such evidence would be buried, denied, locked away and “fact checked” out of existence. Post late 1960’s any such findings would be deadly kryptonite to the special people narrative. Destroy destroy destroy!
        
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        August 7, 2023 5:15pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      They may have invented the wheel but Maori destroyed the blueprints.
      
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      August 7, 2023 3:43pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    What about thermoluminescence. I have seen samples taken for Chinese pottery dating.
    
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    August 7, 2023 7:55pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  They should be legally compelled to release such important, historical information. It would make it so much easier to shut down the insane, racist direction the country is being driven in.
  
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  August 7, 2023 10:31am
  - cmm
    
    “They should be legally compelled”
    I think you will find they ARE legally compelled to do so, but are just ignoring the law.
    
    Remember you need to be an activist to join DoC, NIWA, or similar. Science be damned.
    
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    August 7, 2023 10:50am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  That site is sad.
  The ‘ancient stone walls’ are rough rock pilings. There is no lost civilisation here. Many people have snuck in there and took pictures. Then only dumb thing was the regional archaeologists agreeing to an embargo on carbon dating with local iwi – they should not have done that, and this is something I was told by a proffesional inside the system who was disapointed with that fact. It was just a dumb pandering to dumb local Maori and does not mean there is a massive secret to be revealed at all.
  Stone piles and rows next to gardens, when soil was volcanic like that, are normally around Maori sites.
  You have to remove the rocks to garden the rich soil there, and what is the obvious thing? Pile them, or maybe lay in rows.
  Even Cook commented on, and his artists sketched, their tidy gardens and alignments.
  I can suggest a couple of sites to view similar stone walls next to archaeological kumara and taro fields.
  Then is no comparison to meso-american or other true ‘lost’ cities under jungles. These are not massive stones, or even worked stones ….they are piles of natural rocks.
  Even the ‘ancient stone adzes’ shown on the site are laughable unmodified stones.
  I collect artefacts, including stone adzes from NZ and overseas archaeological sites. I have picked up artefacts from sites in NZ, flaked and polished. Those ‘ancient adzes’ are NOT artefacts of even the crudest sort.
  Sad.
  
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  August 7, 2023 12:45pm
I remember when

If it’s cool, wet and need-a-coat weather, you must be in the United Kingdom.
Boy would they love to be in the Greek Islands (the ones without arson) at the moment.
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August 7, 2023 9:43am
- Scooter
  
  Hardly an inferno in Italy, mid 20’s, not quite the inferno media had we believe a few weeks ago.
  
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  August 7, 2023 11:41am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Hardly an inferno in Anchorage Alaska, but the summer is short. Partner got sunburnt there in sept 2017, no shit
    
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    August 7, 2023 8:25pm
Notsofast

Legal action to rid schools of gender education in the UK.
Only 11 minutes and covers the catastrophe nicely.
https://youtu.be/TxDVAkfGAGo
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August 7, 2023 9:53am
sparkhole

Seriously, I think this Labour government has undone 40 to 50 years of progress or 7 to 8 years of regress per year of government. That’s got to be some kind of record.

They need to stop pretending they can do something they can’t.
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August 7, 2023 10:05am
- Blog-aholic
  
  They have divided but they have conqured nothing.
  So the net result is just division and the by that divide we now have what is known as an ethno-anocracy – the claytons of democracy but without the democracy entirely.
  
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  August 7, 2023 10:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    ERRR, they have conquered their own bank accounts, investments, their silent kickbacks, fuck, where do I stop?
    
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    August 7, 2023 8:35pm
Maggie Pie

My partner featured on the cover of ‘M2’ magazine a couple of years back.
I can tell you now….. he wouldn’t be seen DEAD sitting like this 😎

https://twitter.com/Quoproquid2/status/1688243375198072832
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August 7, 2023 10:19am
- jon
  
  Justin Trudeau would sit like that, for sure!
  
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  August 7, 2023 2:01pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Is it them Yogi? yes it is Allways them Boo boo
  
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  August 7, 2023 8:55pm
rangitoto

I see the US womens soccer team knocked out. Another case of go woke go broke.
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August 7, 2023 10:20am
- Blog-aholic
  
  All in their attitude. If you are repreenting your country, represent it.
  They have taken a hammering in the USA for their disrespect of the anthem et al.
  The one the Americans really dislike are people who disrespect that tune and the flag.
  
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  August 7, 2023 10:31am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Yup. At least the Swedish women looked like women…..
  
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  August 7, 2023 10:33am
- Bullion
  
  By the, checks notes, woke Swedish team.
  
  Maybe its best to get some original material and not just parrot some culture war bs.
  
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  August 7, 2023 11:04am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Maybe best to actually put evidence of what you’re talking about rather than some woke b/s?
    
    I’m referring to the appearance of the beautiful young women representing their country vs the “social justice warriors” representing the US.
    
    Maybe if they focused on football instead of ideology things would have worked out better?
    
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    August 7, 2023 11:50am
- Piniwi
  
  And guess who missed the final penalty goal and kicked the ball right over the net. Lol
  
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  August 7, 2023 1:33pm
Warren

How long will the New Zealand Public have to wait for a opology from Labour Minister Megan Woods after her lies and disregard of the retail crime figures .
https://nzissues.com/Community/threads/under-labour-you-have-a-98-chance-of-getting-away-with-crime.45785/
What shop sells 20 cent bags of lollies nowadays and how out of date is this excuse for a Politicain, Megan Woods comments shows how out of date she is with reality and needs to opologize to those that lose thousands of dollars a week in groceries theft.
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August 7, 2023 10:36am
ClanMcleod

The old snakeoil salesman doing what he does best. Keep your eyes open National/Act! You’ve been warned often, he knows which buttons to press.

“I have no idea why @chrishipkins
wanted to shake Schwab’s hand, other than to look for his next job.”

https://twitter.com/c_plushie/status/1688072198450487296?s=20
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August 7, 2023 10:37am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Here’s the snakeoil salesman pressing another of the buttons that most sane people are concerned about. The sexual grooming of our children.
  
  These dangerous sociological academics are treating kiwi parents with utter contempt and allowing this sexual mind-warping of underage children.
  
  There is a difference between the usual ‘biological age-appropriate sex education’ and this ‘gender and sexual indoctrination’ aimed at children who aren’t even old enough to consent.
  
  @nzfirst policy is going to stop this madness, and let our kids be kids!
  
  https://twitter.com/c_plushie/status/1688147585473843201?s=20
  
  Why are National and Act permitting this vacuum to be filled by a man they purport to detest and don’t want to work with?
  
  I am at a loss trying to figure out wtf is going in their strategy meetings.
  
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  August 7, 2023 11:02am
ClanMcleod

Re the class action against the covid vaccine damage and death currently underway in Australia.
Queensland Senator Tweets this.

In her video at link below, Dr Melissa McCann summarises the class-action court case she’s leading for hundreds of people with Covid injection adverse events

https://rumble.com/v348nkr-covid-vaccine-injury-class-action.html

https://twitter.com/MRobertsQLD/status/1688278948923191296?s=20

In NZ, it still looks like Winston Peters is the only politician even prepared to utter the ‘C’ word, let alone ask questions about excess morality and vax injury and death.

It’s a vacuum left by National/Act.
He’s filling it.

It’s a huge political mistake.
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August 7, 2023 10:55am
- Matt Long
  
  Winston would be no where if Luxon had gone and listened to the people at the protests.
  I said it at the time and I’ll repeat it again, if Winston is in parliament again after this election it’s on Luxon.
  
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  August 7, 2023 11:01am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Matt Long – they could shut him down in an instant with a couple of well thought out and uncontroversial public statements. I’m totally perplexed as to why they are giving him free rein on these issues?
    
    Here he is getting a couple of standing ovations from over 400 people in Christchurch.
    
    https://twitter.com/winstonpeters/status/1688051493075910656?s=20
    
    I haven’t seen a sensible explanation from anyone as to why they are letting him work this fertile ground.
    
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    August 7, 2023 11:40am
    - tavita
      
      I can suggest a reason. It implies a certain amount of cynicism on behalf of National and Act but as long as Peters is attacking the government and taking 4% of the vote off labour, what’s not to like? If Peters starts looking like he will get more than 5%, that’s the time to step in and woo those that Peters has convinced the government was wrong.
      
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      August 7, 2023 12:56pm
Maggie Pie

Just heard them on ZBNews say the Otorohanga Mayor was….. Max Factor.

LOL! You couldn’t make-up sht like that 😀
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August 7, 2023 11:06am
- greybeard
  
  He’s not a real mayor, just a pretty face.
  
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  August 7, 2023 1:41pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Has Max been arrested?
  
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  August 7, 2023 3:52pm
  - Jethrod
    
    Oh ….that’s an old one…..!
    
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    August 7, 2023 7:36pm
Tauhei Notts

It was about 13 weeks ago, early May, that I was chatting with an accountant whose firm employs 100+ and a businessman who has about 130 staff;
They were both concerned with the upcoming tax take for the government. “Nobody’s got any tax to pay.” was their refrain.
I think the Treasury’s economic predictions are terribly way off line.
With financial forecasts like the government is getting, competent management of the economy is a hopeless task.
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August 7, 2023 11:08am
Scooter

Where’s the climate boiling catastrophe agenda going now that temps in Italy are mid to late 20’s, a bit chilly for August.
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August 7, 2023 11:09am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  It’ll be hot somewhere. It’ll be blamed on “Climate Change!”
  
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  August 7, 2023 5:56pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Have you spoken to the ‘speaker of the house’ about that sir?//
    
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    August 7, 2023 9:02pm
ClanMcleod

It is not possible to make big promises this election” – Grant Robertson
Minister of Finance. 06/08/2023.

Chris Hipkins the day after – “Hold my beer…..”

Govt announces $35b mega-plan for new Auckland harbour crossing

https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/08/06/govt-announces-35b-mega-plan-for-new-auckland-harbour-crossing/

Monty Python would have had a field day with material like this!
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August 7, 2023 11:10am
- Prince
  
  Any competent satirist/comedian/cartoonist would be having a field day with the Govt’s lunacy.
  But not in ‘Aotearoa’. The focus is on the Opposition.
  I wonder why…
  
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  August 7, 2023 11:54am
- slightlyrighty
  
  The obvious take from this series of events is that Labour has a bigger announcement to come, because if the government says that “It is not possible to make big promises this election”, then this is not considered a big promise…..
  
  On the other hand, it could be Labour not making big promises, but huge ones!
  
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  August 7, 2023 1:16pm
  - rangitoto
    
    A trans Tasman tunnel?
    
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    August 7, 2023 3:06pm
    - Prince
      
      Given the migration of Kiwis to Australia, a wall could be more appropriate.
      
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ClanMcleod

Brilliant cartoon from Tremain highlighting the failures of Ardern and her hangers on.

https://twitter.com/dailyexaminernz/status/1688319644019679232/photo/1
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August 7, 2023 11:25am
ClanMcleod

Another clip from the upcoming ‘River of Freedom’ doco about the Wellington protest.

https://twitter.com/c_plushie/status/1688172094813827073?s=20
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August 7, 2023 11:54am
Warren

Ryan Bridge calls out Labour’s massive U – Turn on Roading.
But just the same as when someone does a actual U – Turn on the Motorway we do notice.
They have spent 6 years telling us petrol is bad, cars are naughty, Motorways are mostly evil, climate change emergency is blah blah blah and then yesterday this.
“The proposed road tunnels along side the bridge are 5 km long each, they are similar in concept to the Waterview Tunnels , Transport Minister David Parker said on Sunday when announcing the Government’s Plans for a second Harbour Crossing.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/08/ryan-bridge-labour-s-massive-u-turn-on-roading.html
Wow the Labour Government, Prime Minister Chris Hipkins and the Transport Minister David Parker copping it bigtime from the media and the U- Turn to try and persuade New Zealander’s to give them another term in October.
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August 7, 2023 11:57am
- tavita
  
  But with luck the greens are going to rule it out as a bottom line. So Labour is going into the election advocating a policy of road building that can only be achieved with a National government. Good stuff.
  
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  August 7, 2023 1:05pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Agree Warren.
  I found it perplexing that Hipkins and his crew think this is going to be a winner for them.
  Don’t the majority in Auckland vote Labour/Greens anyway?
  
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  August 7, 2023 1:34pm
- cmm
  
  Building the current bridge in the late 1950s cost approx $250M in today’s money. Let’s double that for the clip-ons. $500M.
  
  So how could costs have gone up 70x more than inflation?
  
  A loaf of bread was 8d (about 7 cents) in 1959. About $1.40 in today’s money and around $4 on the shelves – so only about 3x inflation.
  
  Some things like sugar are cheaper than inflation.
  
  Wages are about at inflation, and fuel etc is probably similar-ish (within 5x inflation).
  
  So why does Chippy’s Folley have to cost us 70x inflation?
  
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  August 7, 2023 1:43pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Because GST goes up accordingly.
    
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    August 7, 2023 3:57pm
graham

Stuff faces staff legal threat over proposed new journalist job cuts amid fears of loss of quality

(Paywalled): https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/media-insider-stuff-faces-staff-legal-threat-over-proposed-new-journalist-job-cuts-amid-fears-of-loss-of-quality/JCKWMNADZNG2VMEKKW4FYTUS6A/

Note, the link is paywalled, but in summary Stuff is looking to cut more jobs – after recently laying off about 16 people in its print production team, and following the exit of various senior staffers and several high-profile reporters. And the union, unsurprisingly, isn’t happy, accusing Stuff presenting an “illogical” proposal impacting 28 roles, and claiming it will “drastically undermine” the “quality journalism” (*cough* *cough*) the company is trying to promote.

There’s more details in the article, with the union accusing the company of treating its staff pretty shabbily.

I personally detest Stuff, considering them to be utterly untrustworthy when it comes to actually reporting on the important issues facing us without bias or prejudice. I cannot trust them to examine all sides of an issue, or present inconvenient facts that go against their preferred narrative. Their constant crusading, championing of “causes” and forceful pushing of agendas has utterly destroyed any credibility they might once have had.

As far as I’m concerned, the demise of Stuff can’t come soon enough.
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August 7, 2023 12:07pm
- cmm
  
  There’s a journalists’ union? Really?
  
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  August 7, 2023 1:26pm
- jon
  
  Yea Graham, i had a bit of a chuckle when i read that story. Something also about providing quality journalism was a bit much too.
  
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  August 7, 2023 1:39pm
- Keith White
  
  “Faster, please.”
  
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  August 7, 2023 1:41pm
- Hard Cheese
  
  A loss of quality? How is that even possible?
  
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  August 7, 2023 1:54pm
Maggie Pie

KYIV looks really nice this time of the year 😎

https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1688296335538003968
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August 7, 2023 12:16pm
- kisekiman
  
  War is Hell.
  
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  August 8, 2023 1:55am
ClanMcleod

One newspaper in the UK pointing out the climate change lies being pushed by the BBC.

A NEW study I have written for Net Zero Watch which details just how badly the public are being misinformed by the BBC about climate change has now been given coverage by the Daily Express.

The paper describes how the BBC routinely resort to factual errors, bias and omission of relevant information and alternate views.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/bbc-climate-change-lies-are-highlighted-by-the-daily-express/
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August 7, 2023 12:17pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Is it just the BBC doing this? I think not.
  
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  August 7, 2023 5:50pm
H. Upmann

Oh goodness, BBC with pants down again. I wonder if they mange to give the time correctly?
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August 7, 2023 1:11pm
Bridgenag

SENT TO ME

https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/klaus-schwabs-daughter-threatens-humanity-permanent-lockdowns-coming-whether-you-like-it-or-not/
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August 7, 2023 1:14pm
Swifty

Oh look, another warrior Maori tane showing us all how to live a great life:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300944569/killer-told-hes-a-monster-and-a-coward-who-is-nothing-more-than-a-weak-little-boy

Are these the wonderful Maori values the elites keep telling us about?

I know! Let’s throw millions of taxpayer dollars John Tamihere’s way. That’ll fix it!

(Sorry KBers, that’s the best I can do today – I am just disgusted. That woman, Taylor-Jade Hira was just a bit older than my eldest daughter. Her whole life was ahead of her. Now extinguished and with her family left to pick up the pieces. There is a deep sickness is some parts of Maoridom and I feel we are just not anywhere near coming to grips with it.

That’s all from me today.)
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August 7, 2023 1:25pm
- Ghost
  
  Another criminal committing a crime, vast majority of Maori aren’t commiting crimes, are hard working and slogging on with life, don’t taint Maori because of the action of some. Plenty of white people committing crimes. Should we be judged because of the crimes others commit in our ethnic groups?
  
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  August 7, 2023 1:32pm
  - Keith White
    
    Please explain to those not as smart as you what is the actual root cause of the entirely and significantly disproportionate-to-population-percentage crimes committed by Maori.
    
    And in answer to your rhetorical question – why yes, as long as my family and I are judged by the alleged actions of our ancestors of a particular ethnic group or pallor, I’ll apply the same judgy mcjudgmental yardstick to other melanin-rich groups’ current ethnic-based acting-out.
    
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    August 7, 2023 1:45pm
    - Ghost
      
      Sweet. So as a white person we can blame you for the actions of your fellow white comrade jacinda Ardern and the damage she has done for generations to come to NZ
      
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      August 7, 2023 1:49pm
      - kevn
        
        Ghost…. NZ gave her (and him) a gong, with indecent haste I might add. Usually a 2+ years wait for pollies to be gonged..
        
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        August 7, 2023 2:36pm
      - Ghost
        
        Still a white pesos that under Keith’s theory we must blame for doing far more damage to this country than anyone.
        
        Sadly we live in a time where racist would rather label an entire ethnic group on the actions of a few and we see it constantly happening in this country
        
        Rather than admit there are a few bad apples in each ethnic group, some who have been raised by even worse parents.
        
        Far easier to just put the white pointy hat on and blame maori for everything
        
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        August 7, 2023 2:52pm
  - cmm
    
    I don’t think anyone here is suggesting that all or most Maori are criminals.
    
    However one must accept the truth – that there is more offending amongst Maori. Why that is is up for debate.
    
    Police arresting more Maori and judges putting them in jail is not racism. It is just a result of the underlying criminality.
    
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    August 7, 2023 1:59pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      What gets me is that just about every Maori man who ends up in court charged with bashing and killing someone , whether that be man, woman or child, says that their actions were due to their terrible, violent, deprived upbringing.
      And everyone just accepts that as some sort of normal – no questions asked.
      When is some defence lawyer or judge going to get these family members, who made the murderer do what they did, to appear in their court to account for their actions?
      Murderers and others with a violent temper use their upbringing to earn sympathy and a reduced sentence. Let’s hear what their families have to say.
      
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      August 7, 2023 3:12pm
      - cmm
        
        “When is some defence lawyer or judge going to get these family members…”
        
        Well it certainly isn’t the lawyer’s job to play social worker – just to get the crim off. And the judge does not have any jurisdiction over anyone except the person on trial. So you’re barking up the wrong tree there.
        
        But I agree with your general sentiments: If the person is blaming their upbringing then let’s start holding people’s feet to the fire for being shitty parents and raising criminal kids.
        
        Of course that won’t work either because they, in turn, will just blame those that raised them (or colonialism/whatever).
        
        Ultimately this will not stop until people take responsibility for their own actions. They don’t blame their parents or grandparents. They don’t blame colonialism etc. They don’t blame drugs. They take responsibility.
        
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        August 7, 2023 4:42pm
  - Swifty
    
    Ghost, you are right, it is wrong to blame a whole group of people for the actions of one. But I would hope you know me well enough by now to know that I wouldn’t do that – and I haven’t tried to do that here today.
    
    I will say however that Maori violence is out of all proportion to their numbers in NZ and as compared to other racial groups. Saying ‘what about’ doesn’t change that nor does it get us any closer to identifying the underlying causes.
    
    I say again, there is a deep sickness IN SOME PARTS of Maoridom and I fear we are just not getting to grips with it.
    
    I’m also today, again, poking at the prevailing orthodoxy that is ‘everything Maori is wonderful’ when it clearly is not. Far from it. And the idea that of we ‘decolonise’ everything and create new Maori-centric structures, organisations and strategies all will become great is a fool’s paradise.
    
    I fear we will merely throw the baby out with the bathwater – and all of us will be worse off except for those who stood to financially gain from the whole and great deceit.
    
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    August 7, 2023 2:56pm
I remember when

High Court rules girl is Maori:
The child, referred to as “C” in a judgment from the court- is of Maori, Australian Abroriginal and NZ European descent.
C’s father, who is of Scottish descent, does not consider the tamariki to be Maori, identifying her instead as NZ European and Australian Aboriginal.
C’s mother, has previously signed an affidavit acknowledging her own Maori whakapapa.

Obviously, the court is partly right!

[Mod – adding link]

High Court rules 3-year-old Northland child is Māori, but dad disagrees
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August 7, 2023 1:36pm
- kowloon
  
  High Court rules 3-year-old Northland child is……
  another activist Judge I suspect!
  
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  August 7, 2023 1:53pm
- Jack5
  
  Back in the day, some Catholic-Protestant marriages entailed agreements about which religion children would be raised in should there be a divorce.
  
  This goes further. The court seems to be ruling that in a dispute over children, Maori part of mixed descent gets priority over non-Maori part.
  
  So we get racist decisions as well as Woke sentences, where those who break information publishing rules get stiffer sentences than those who bash and stab people.
  
  Or is this all from Maori fears about identity as races continue to intermarry?
  
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  August 7, 2023 3:17pm
Chuck Bird

Dr. Jordan Peterson: Their doom-and-gloom warnings were utter nonsense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DusM59rzBqY
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August 7, 2023 1:41pm
Maggie Pie

Just had coffee and a chelsea bun with a tennis bestie who lives in St Heliers.
She was telling me how upset residents out there were with the fast-tracking of a 58 unit development that had obtained consent without consultation with any of the affected parties living nearby…..

https://rnz.co.nz/news/national/495246/st-heliers-housing-development-s-fast-tracked-approval-upsets-concerned-residents

I didn’t mean to add fuel to the fire, but you should have seen the look on her face when I mentioned the ‘Te Matawai Apartments’ in Greys Ave…. where Kaianga-Ora had bought 75% of the building for social housing.

Anyway, lets hope it’s not too late for them to lodge objections against this blot on the landscape. Only half of them will even have a carpark. Let alone the added stress on the old infrastructure!

F**ing Councils 🙁
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August 7, 2023 1:54pm
- kevn
  
  Maggie… Imagine the wheelie bin line-up at either ‘development’.
  
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  August 7, 2023 2:38pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    OMG yes – doesn’t bare thinking about Kev!
    There’s 275 apartments in that Greys Ave eyesore. Multiply that by 3 and we’re talking more than 800 bins lining Queen Street every week!!
    Food scraps, bottles, condoms, needles….you name it 🙁
    
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    August 7, 2023 2:49pm
    - kevn
      
      Maybe just put rubbish skips outside. Dump everything.
      
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      August 7, 2023 4:04pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, check the public records on Sanctum Projects and you can see a formidable opponent for those opposing that development. Good luck anyway.
  
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  August 7, 2023 2:46pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes….and they’ve got Deputy Mayor Desley Simpsin rooting for them as well.
    
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    August 7, 2023 6:28pm
Yvette

Elon Musk says his potential in-person fight with Mark Zuckerberg would be streamed on his social media site X, formerly known as Twitter.

Can Jacinda Ardern and her Christchurch Call stop this?
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August 7, 2023 2:19pm
Waipuk

Does a person spring to mind after hearing this?

https://youtube.com/shorts/-hWUBRu7RcE?feature=share
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August 7, 2023 2:24pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ì wonder who you could possibly mean
  
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  August 7, 2023 4:05pm
I remember when

Mitch McConnell’s health questioned as he gives speech in home state:
‘Democrats in crown greeted the senator with cascades of boos and chanted ‘retire.”

Obviously don’t know their right from their left.
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August 7, 2023 3:00pm
Jack5

a did ya know ?

Did you know that Barbie, the doll, was born/created Jewish?

https://www.heyalma.com/this-barbie-is-an-assimilated-jew/?
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August 7, 2023 3:03pm
bjools

https://www.mbie.govt.nz/building-and-energy/energy-and-natural-resources/energy-statistics-and-modelling/energy-statistics/renewables-statistics/
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300944553/live-wind-and-solar-power-projects-equivalent-to-almost-four-clyde-dams-set-for-fasttrack
Considering a fast look up wind is 1/20th of the hydro generation at the moment.
and the clyde is the biggest generator (hydro), I believe.
It would appear, that he means a wind turbine in EVERYONE’S back yard.
It may, by force of wind alone, push us closer to Australia//.
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August 7, 2023 3:22pm
- rockape
  
  Their new wind could generate the same as the Clyde dam if it was working at full capability all the time . In Nz wind works out at25 to 30% of max most of the time. Solar even worse.
  
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  August 7, 2023 5:32pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Re: 400MW, the story says “Generating the same amount of electricity using fossil fuels would create about 150 million kilograms of CO2 emissions”.
  Sigh, somebody needs to learn the difference between power and energy.
  400MW isn’t an amount of energy.
  
  The turbines may generate ~400MW from time to time, but that alone isn’t enough to save 150 million kilograms of CO2. They would need to generate that power for some period of time to save that CO2 from being emitted.
  Presumably they are trying to say that the turbines would replace coal-fired generation, and I guess they’re talking about the amount of CO2 emitted by the coal station over some period of time.
  
  The story was so crap I couldn’t actually figure out what they were actually trying to say.
  
  Google tells me that a coal-fired station typically emits ~1kg of CO2/kWh, so if generating 400MW would emit 400,000 kg/hr, or 9,600,000 kg/day. At this rate it would take 15.6 days to emit 150,000,000 kg, and would have generated 150,000MWh of electricity.
  Turbines generally operate at somewhere between 20-30% capacity on average, so these new ones could be expected to generate something like 80-120MW on average.
  I guess that they’ll eventually save that amount of CO2 emissions, but certainly not when the wind isn’t blowing.
  
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  August 7, 2023 6:47pm
Warren

The joke of the week Prime Minister Chris Hipkins says public can have ‘confidence’ Government doing something about Crime.
https://www.1news.co.nz/tags/politics/
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August 7, 2023 5:21pm
Albie

Regarding the latest shit for brains harbour crossing proposal, any sane city or state with a population of just 1.5m would just get on with it and build another bloody bridge!
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August 7, 2023 6:01pm
Warren

On One News tonight they virtually confirmed Labour is about to release the GST will be removed from fruit and vegetables.
So Chris Hipkins intends to spent billions on bribes to win the upcoming General Election.
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August 7, 2023 6:29pm
- Prince
  
  Also to destroy the simple, effective GST tax system, for very little effect.
  He’s like a little school who has been given the keys to the Treasury.
  
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  August 7, 2023 8:59pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Back at home after cubital tunnel surgery on other elbow. No ALCOHOL for 48 hours. I hope they don’t send someone around to pry it from my col hands….
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