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Simon

China! GAE wants NZ to rearm. Orders have come in. Problem is no one is going to fight for “Aotearoa” and all those woke Wellington clowns who can’t run anything and constantly insult and undermine those who would be necessary to fight in the military
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August 5, 2023 8:08am
- mawm
  
  We are a captured country. It is time to get out of the 5 eyes. It is never a good idea to be one of America’s friends as in the end they will always betray you.
  
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  August 5, 2023 10:45am
Scooter

Another shooting in downtown with one dead. Auckland Detective Senior Sergeant Craig Bolton said police believe it’s an isolated incident and there is no risk to the public. How isolated is it when it’s in a public street in the largest city in NZ and downtown where tourists are and where stray bullets can hit anyone walking by? How f#@&ing stupid is this cop?
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August 5, 2023 8:17am
- Ghost
  
  He explains why it is an isolated incident
  
  At a Police press conference on Friday afternoon, Detective Senior Sergeant Craig Bolton outlined the facts – saying he’s confident it was a one-off.
  
  “There were words exchanged, so then the person gets off the scooter and confronts the other group. Then things escalate from there. That’s how we’re confident it’s an isolated offence,” he told reporters.
  
  Article
  
  Why attack the cop?
  
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  August 5, 2023 9:38am
  - pdm
    
    Then again the fellow doing the shooting was waltzing around the Central City with a gun – almost certainly looking for trouble.
    
    Sounds like that Policeman is a real Coster acolyte.
    
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    August 5, 2023 10:00am
    - kowtow
      
      Hdpa had some senior Plod on the other evening , she kept pressing him to admit they need more police , he adamantly refused to say they did .
      
      Quite clearly there’s a choir meister instructing them to sing off the same ( regime) sheet.
      
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      August 5, 2023 11:04am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I expect the cops know the identity of the “groups”.
    
    Are they really just a random assemblage of individuals, or are they clusters of folks who belong to larger groups with a known history of antipathy toward each other?
    
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    August 5, 2023 10:01am
    - rouppe
      
      “Distinctive red and black clothing” might be a clue, huh?
      
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      August 5, 2023 10:17am
      - Max Mansplain
        
        Cantabrians?
        
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        August 5, 2023 1:42pm
    - Ghost
      
      I’m sure we will get at some point a post from Maggie showing the shooter had a neck tattoo…..
      
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      August 5, 2023 10:17am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The cops are looking for a chap with 683 tattooed on his face….
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300943757/auckland-cbd-homicide-police-seek-dangerous-24yearold-dariush-talagi
        
        The Country code of Niue. (+683)
        
        His surname is Talagi…. the same surname as the former PM of Niue – Sir Toke Talagi (one of my University classmates)
        
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        August 5, 2023 5:45pm
  - Scooter
    
    Because Ghost there is a serious risk to the public in all these cases, why say there isn’t, more gaslighting? Btw hardly a one off after 2 shot dead nearby 2 weeks ago. But then keep on denying.
    
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    August 5, 2023 10:01am
    - Ghost
      
      Obviously it isn’t a risk to others. As the police said an isolated event, not a person going around randomly shooting people. Most likely a gang fight.
      
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      August 5, 2023 10:15am
      - rouppe
        
        The point, I think, is that if you have a series of “one off” events, involving weapons (not just guns) then there is an increased risk of harm from “something”.
        
        An innocent victim doesn’t care if they are in hospital from the latest confrontation in a gang fued, or the latest in a series of unrelated “one off” events. They’re still in hospital.
        
        In Auckland at this stage, it seems you’re more likely to catch a stray bullet than catch covid.
        
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        August 5, 2023 10:22am
      - kowtow
        
        Oh yeah , shooting people in central cities doesn’t present any risk to others ……….FFS.
        
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        August 5, 2023 11:07am
      - Ghost
        
        And the point the police are making is it is an isolated event, more than likely a gang event, and isn’t a person wondering around shooting up strangers in the street
        
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        August 5, 2023 11:27am
      - kowtow
        
        rouppe
        
        Extraordinary isn’t it , the regime , it’s agents in the police and now posters excusing them for the ridiculous newspeak they come out with ; “isolated incident”.
        The gangs and their associates have been involved in a wave of so called drive by shootings , murders , revenge attacks etc
        and then we get , “it’s an isolated incident”
        
        Gang crime is now a pandemic and has transformed our once very relatively peaceful society and we’re being treated to this Orwellian bullshit .
        
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        August 5, 2023 11:12am
      - Ghost
        
        You should dial 111 and give them the evidence you have that shows this isn’t an isolated event.
        
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        August 5, 2023 11:34am
      - I remember when
        
        You lost me when you said isolated event….most likely a gang fight.
        Hardly an isolated event in Auckland or other parts of New Zealand.
        
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        August 5, 2023 1:06pm
      - Ghost
        
        I’m pretty certain the police will know a lot about this shooting for them to say it’s an isolated event. Can’t include other non related crimes in it and say it’s not what they police claim because gangs are causing violence elsewhere, it’s obvious the police are talking about this case.
        
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        August 5, 2023 1:16pm
      - kowtow
        
        Why dial th emergency number when everyone is so safe and it’s just an isolated incident.
        
        Instead you should use their 10 5 number .
        
        Innit.
        
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        August 5, 2023 1:21pm
      - Ghost
        
        So you don’t actually know anything about the case that can help the police and they know more than you so they can actually say based on their knowledge that this was an isolated event and the public aren’t in danger of Dariush Talagi going around shooting others up.
        
        Btw, because you obviously don’t understand what an isolated event is it means this event isn’t connected to any other, but I think most aren’t that dumb and understand that but just want a reason to get their daily police bash in
        
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        August 5, 2023 6:19pm
      - Ruahine
        
        The Police likely even knew the names of those involved in the shooting as they have probably supplied them with KFC not long ago.
        
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        August 5, 2023 2:19pm
  - kevn
    
    and the guy with a gun/pistol? Still at large with gun.
    
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    August 5, 2023 10:35am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    A one off, like the one that happened, um, the other day. And bullets flying around the suburbs a few days before. Oh and the other week as well.
    
    Mostly peaceful?
    
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    August 5, 2023 1:43pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yet the green scooter runner was wearing red
    
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    August 5, 2023 8:18pm
- imalwaysright
  
  I agree scooter.
  Every incident could be classified isolated.
  The problem is the frequency of the incidents .
  
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  August 5, 2023 9:42am
  - Matt Long
    
    The trend toward more isolated incidents like this is accelerating.
    Well done to Labour and their progressive agenda.
    
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    August 5, 2023 10:04am
  - CJames
    
    At least it wasn’t put down to a lone wolf.
    Of more concern, and what was not addressed, is people scootering around streets with guns. That is pretty Wild West isn’t it?
    
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    August 5, 2023 1:04pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Exactly, I have been to the fort street bar just off Queen street several times, never seen a shoot out from the bar, spent a night in the QE bar, full of islanders and Māori, told by the bouncers, we can’t guarantee your safety, asked the young guys straight up, are we all right here, they said of course, and we never worried once, but man, there’s was no guns
  
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  August 5, 2023 8:14pm
- sirknz
  
  And another “disorder incident”…
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300943928/homicide-investigation-launched-after-man-involved-in-disorder-in-auckland-dies
  
  Anybody else getting fed up with newspeak to cover for this Government?
  
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  August 5, 2023 8:20pm
  - Scooter
    
    Yep, if it’s not Maori words sprinkled around, it’s nice words to play down the violence out there e.g domestic harm incident.
    
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    August 6, 2023 12:18am
Bridgenag

Friday Funnies: Toast
The last man left standing
https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/friday-funnies-toast?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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August 5, 2023 8:22am
Bridgenag

From Germany-

Eugyppius

“Beginning with the financial crisis of 2008, and accelerating after the collapse of the Occupy Wall Street movement in 2011, the political order of the United States and the entire West entered a period of serious transition. A gradual evolution in the forms and orders of power – underway already for many generations – suddenly accelerated, as the ruling classes took a series of drastic self-conscious steps to consolidate their own ranks and attenuate the political voice of the rabble. Major corporations, academia, the press, and the political establishment set aside their few remaining differences and worked to establish a new impenetrable system of rule. Many former oppositional leftists joined them in this project, after agreeing to exchange their economic critiques for a new programme of identity advocacy. Woke capital, the rise of critical race theory, radical climate policies, escalating mass immigration, and the ascendancy of the rainbow brigade are the dubious fruits of the new regime. Because they arise from the near-total assimilation of the left with the ruling class, anyone who objects to any element of this novel and quite bizarre political programme is now a right-wing extremist.”
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August 5, 2023 8:23am
- trout
  
  Following on from Bridgenag in a similar vein the NYT has exhibited a rare moment of self awareness:
  ‘Anti-Trump New York Times columnist David Brooks shocked political commentators on Twitter when he admitted he and the so-called “elite” have used self-serving tactics to maintain power and a sense of moral superiority over the Trump supporters they detest.
  “I ask you to try on a vantage point in which we anti-Trumpers are not the eternal good guys. In fact, we’re the bad guys,” Brooks wrote in a column Wednesday.
  “Over the last decades we’ve taken over whole professions and locked everybody else out,” Brooks wrote of the liberal elite in America. The column detailed how the “educated class” imagine themselves as the “forces of progress and enlightenment” to appease their own egos, as part of a broader tale that paints them as enlightened and Trump supporters as bigots and fools.
  Brooks pointed out that in the media world that was once a working-class profession, Ivy League and other elite-level college graduates have come to dominate major newsrooms’.
  
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  August 5, 2023 10:26am
- PhilBest
  
  Something that surprises me is that nothing these days is ever said about Joseph Schumpeter’s iconic work “Capitalism, Socialism and Democracy” (1942). He actually predicted that the administrative staff of corporations would become part of the same ideological echo chamber as government bureaucracy and activist institutions, leading to unholy alliances and the demise of liberal free market democracy as we know it. That is just one small part of the insights Schumpeter crammed into this major book. It is right up there with Hayek’s “The Road to Serfdom” as a must-read for anyone wishing to have a grounding in political insight other than leftist utopianism.
  
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  August 5, 2023 10:49am
k1w1

Tova has written a pretty scathing article on Labour’s nanny-state blocking of the parental leave thing. Worth a read.
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August 5, 2023 8:24am
- Tricati
  
  But she did have to have a dig at Luxon’s Twitter contacts – She is toxic and can’t help herself.
  
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  August 5, 2023 9:45am
  - Prince
    
    Yes apparently Luxon’s TikTok views and likes are not up to scratch for Tova.
    I’m pleased to hear that – have had enough of senior politicians thinking a team of juvenile comms staff beats having sane policies and a strong hand on the tiller.
    
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    August 5, 2023 10:12am
- John Loveridge
  
  You lost me at “Tova”.
  
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  August 5, 2023 10:03am
- sirknz
  
  ‘Tova’ and ‘worth a read’ in the same comment?
  
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  August 5, 2023 10:09am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Musing at the said piece of newspaper before wiping one’s bottom with it?
    
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    August 5, 2023 1:45pm
- kowtow
  
  It might be but I still wouldn’t encourage traffic to her .
  Let them wither one click at a time.
  
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  August 5, 2023 11:14am
Scott

Steve Bannon on GB News yesterday said that President Trump welcomed the new trial as a chance to actually litigate the 2020 election. Did president Trump actually believe the election was stolen and did he have good reasons for that belief?

https://youtu.be/tJ8Hu5Rc0Iw

This is a welcome development in the sense that the 2020 election result has never been properly litigated in court. All the other courts have dismissed the charges on procedural grounds or have not been thoroughly litigated. I believe the evidence for massive election fraud in 2020 is overwhelming.
Now we will see.
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August 5, 2023 8:29am
- imalwaysright
  
  Well said Scott.
  The mainstream media say that Trump lost in court.
  Incorrect.
  The judiciary refused to hear the cases on technicalities.
  That’s not losing the game, that’s the game being cancelled.
  
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  August 5, 2023 9:39am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Trump does believe he won in 2020. The left have and still are covering up the fraud, the voting machines, the machines that would not accept larger and thicker paper, the night time ballot drops. I have seen the videos of this from security cameras.
  Jan 6th was a Trump rally. It was infiltrated by Govt Agencies. The word was out two weeks before Jan 6th. Trump supporters became a minority. Ray Epps and the FBI, Ray Epps President of the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, BLM, the idiot with the horns, are a few of the known right wing groups.
  First videos I saw from Tucker Carlson showed the shambles. I said to my Partner, these are not Trump supporters at a rally. Trump supporters do not dress like that or act like that.
  
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  August 5, 2023 10:50am
- PhilBest
  
  That’s a really good point from Steve Bannon. Something else I hadn’t really understood until I heard Michelle Bachman say it on the latest Mark Steyn Show, is that on the fateful January 6 in the Capitol, several Republican electors were prepared to raise concerns about the election process. The Capitol security bustled everyone away into hidey-holes “for their own safety” and all of them succumbed to a narrative that this really was a dangerous insurrection. Very late in the day when the scene was clear again, they were herded back into the Chamber to conduct the crucial election certification vote, and none of them were prepared any longer, to press the point about their election concerns. Generally, far too many Republicans (who were shaky about Trump all along) were prepared to just go along with the narrative and ignore any existential threat to the very future of the Constitutional Republic, from the Democrat / Deep State assertion of raw political power.
  
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  August 5, 2023 10:57am
- imalwaysright
  
  I remember watching the US election coverage on tv3 that night.
  Paul Henry and his panel of commentators rather dejectedly conceded that Trump was the victor. All the numbers and traditional indicators showed Trump was unassailable .
  
  Next thing they took a long break and came back on air looking very awkward telling us about Biden leading the vote.
  
  It was like someone rewound live tv.
  
  Very strange. Trump has a case that needs to be tested in court.
  Ironically , his latest indictment may give him that opportunity .
  
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  August 5, 2023 12:07pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Courts and Judges are infested with Leftists from the Obama era.
    
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    August 5, 2023 12:29pm
    - mawm
      
      Interestingly Chief Judge Boasberg, who has had a major role in the injustice of the DC judiciary, and Judge Amy Berman Jackson, who has clearly shown her anti Trump bias in her court, and several other Federal Judges sat in the gallery for Trumps arraignment.
      
      https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/08/04/seriously-sketchy-judge-boasberg-sits-in-back-of-dc-district-court-during-president-trump-appearance/
      
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      August 5, 2023 4:08pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Trump is begging for one more indictment, he reckons that guarantees him the White House
  
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  August 5, 2023 8:22pm
Tasman devil

Labour are a tad bad, sad, and mad.
We are glad as the fools fall off their stools.
They are such tools.
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August 5, 2023 8:29am
pdm

What has happened.

Is everyone still in bed – mothers day or fathers day somewhere perhaps?
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August 5, 2023 8:37am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Mods in bed, I think
  
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  August 5, 2023 8:46am
- Biscuit
  
  Didn’t you hear, pdm.
  
  This morning was the day Chippie promised everyone in the country breakfast in bed…
  
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  August 5, 2023 8:48am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Happening soon.
    
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    August 5, 2023 9:19am
    - Biscuit
      
      9.24 am.
      
      No breakfast yet,
      
      Colour me surprised.
      
      What was that quote from one of the ‘Alice’ books. Ah, yep:
      
      ‘Jam yesterday, jam tomorrow, but never jam today…’
      
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      August 5, 2023 9:24am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Nah – sausage rolls with Watties sauce. 🙂
        
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        August 5, 2023 11:39am
- PeeJay
  
  Dunno about everyone else but I’m about to hit the slopes in a cold Tekapo!
  
  Got to love the South Island in winter!!!
  
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  August 5, 2023 8:59am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Some random thoughts and observations
  1. As we get closer to the election the gap between the Nats and Labour will open up.
  2. IMHO some swing voters always want to support the side they see as winners. So in this case they will support the Nats.
  3. Who will be Labour Leader post the election. I’d put my money on that little prick McAnulty a nasty piece of works so well suited to the job.
  
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  August 5, 2023 9:08am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    On 3 it doesn’t matter a damn. The next Labour PM is at least 6 leaders down the road.
    
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    August 5, 2023 9:15am
  - Matt Long
    
    He has to get into parliament first, he’s 16 on their list.
    
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    August 5, 2023 9:20am
    - pdm
      
      So true Matt – he is no “certainty to win the electorate.
      
      I don’t think he has many friends (or voters) north or north east of Pahiatua.
      
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      August 5, 2023 9:24am
  - Paulus
    
    No, Labour believe thyey are sucessful with a Woman Leader.
    After the election Labour will be % woman heavy from whoever remain.
    
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    August 5, 2023 10:31am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Hahaha f a, it won’t be Woods, McANulty is like Allan, looked reasonable as minister until the pressure goes on, tgd nasty would be seen if he was their leader
    
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    August 5, 2023 8:26pm
Tomtoddy

I have a genuine question for some of you re your voting preferences. There seems to be a line pushed by some that they will not vote for any party that ignored the Wellington protest. Or they express the opposite – will only vote for a party or leader that opened a dialogue during the protest or has expressed sympathy for the protest subsequently.

Is this truly the only criteria you will vote on? Does nothing else matter?

I ask because voting for a party always involves some compromise. There is always a dead rat or two to swallow get most of what you want. Moral conservatives have to hold their nose if they want ACT’s economic reforms. Genuine conservationists vote Green but may dislike the communism they also end up with.

Is the vacc/mandate issue the only driver?
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August 5, 2023 8:45am
- Nickc2
  
  My votes will only be cast in the direction of those that will rid us of the current Govt.
  
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  August 5, 2023 8:53am
- Simon
  
  National is such utter garbage it paves the way for a genuine right wing govt in time. Vote act.
  
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  August 5, 2023 8:55am
  - Bridgenag
    
    We don’t have anything like a right wing party. Far left, left and centre left is what we have.
    
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    August 5, 2023 9:59am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Far left, left and centre left is what we have. We don’t have anything like a right wing party.
    
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    August 5, 2023 9:59am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Single-issue voters are f***ed in the head.
  
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  August 5, 2023 8:56am
  - Che Guava
    
    Not when the issue in question is the biggest issue in the country’s history.
    
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    August 5, 2023 8:58am
    - pdm
      
      I assume you mean Co-Governance Che G.
      
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      August 5, 2023 9:26am
      - Che Guava
        
        Not at all. It’s bad, but nowhere near as bad as Covid tyranny.
        
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        August 5, 2023 9:41am
      - mawm
        
        Agree Che. It was the surrender of our basic freedoms to the globalists by our “representatives”. If the Nats and ACT cannot/do not want to see where this is going they do not deserve my vote.
        
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        August 5, 2023 12:12pm
    - Jethrod
      
      Surely isn’t it time that we drew a line under Covid?
      Some bad, stupid and nasty things happened, but to narrow your thinking down to one thing like that is just plain bonkers.
      The main driver of it is long gone and the punishment for her should be the non-purchase of her litany of lies.
      There is a long list of more important things to consider…..like….
      Education
      Crime
      Co-governance……just to name a few.
      
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      August 5, 2023 10:13am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Tell me you’re being satirical, please…..
        
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        August 5, 2023 11:07am
      - Che Guava
        
        It’s not either/or. Those things are important, but they are down stream of things like the completely unjustified and dishonestly marketed draconian terrors that were foisted on us. For me, things like tax policy, education policy or trade pale into insignificance in comparison to what was done to us during the Covid scam. We are ruled by a cabal of psychopaths and administered by clowns who will do whatever the former bid them to do.
        
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        August 5, 2023 11:41am
      - mawm
        
        Jethrod – maybe you’ll wake up when you are locked down again … this time for a climate emergency, or when your digital currency is not allowed to purchase an item because you posted/thought something the globalists like. One thing you can be assured, as in the proposed WHO pandemic plan, the next vaccine will be forced into your arm.
        
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        August 5, 2023 12:16pm
      - JimBobJoe
        
        No – it needs a proper post mortem.
        
        1/ Why did the vaccine get given a ”safe and effective” stamp by the NZ bureaucracy when there was no evidence of that especially in terms of long term side effects? In fact the standard Medsafe process declined to certify the Pfizer vaccine and it need to go to the Medicines Assessment Advisory Committee for authorisation.
        
        2/ Who sat on the Medsafe escalation group – the MAAC, that certified the vaccines as ”safe and effective”? And why did the decide to recommend the Pfizer vaccine for use in NZ?
        
        3/ Why was the Pandemic Response plan, which had been thoroughly reviewed and updated following the Late 2000’s swine flu epidemic, been thrown into the bin and not followed as soon Ms Ardern and Dr Bloomfield decided to declare a pandemic response?
        
        4/ What where the motivations for decisions the Government and Police took that led them to act illegally when issuing lockdown orders, threatening rides to the station for non compliance, and why did the Government pressure State Agencies to enact vaccine mandates via Health and Safety Act concerns? Why where mandates not tabled via enabling legislation in Parliament for proper scrutiny and debate?
        
        5/ Why was the MIQ process so poorly implemented and was it legal? Why were NZ citizens denied a right of return? And why did friends of the PM and government (DJ’s, Wiggles etc) get easy access to MIQ rooms and NZ citizens were degraded by going through ballots?
        
        Just a taste of questions that havent been answered and need a fully independent Royal Commission with a non restricting Terms of Reference, to investigate and report on.
        
        We can not have a repeat of the utter shambles of the COVID response again: it was inhuman, featured dreadful risk management assessment and response, had truly awful governance structures around the management of the process (Ms Ardern being often ”disappointed” things hadn’t been done) and featured utterly unacceptable propaganda techniques being used on the population to ensure compliance with blatantly obviously stupid rules and edicts.
        
        People wont let it go until its properly reviewed and people who lost there jobs, because they exercised their right to bodily autonomy, are apologised to and in some cases compensated.
        
        Disclaimer: I lost my job due to vaccine mandates. I don’t seek compensation for loss of income, because as a contractor I could be let go for no cause as part of the contract.
        
        However I do want an apology and some token monetary recognition of the stress losing a well paid job for exercising my personal rights under NZ law caused me.
        
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  - ClanMcleod
    
    You must be in the marketing group to attract reluctant voters……I think you’re onto a winner there. /s
    
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    August 5, 2023 9:03am
    - Che Guava
      
      Is saying that someone is “f***ed in the head” a good argument to convince people to forgive and forget the treachery of the political class? I wouldn’t have thought so. It’s just a sign of low intelligence.
      
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      August 5, 2023 9:19am
  - kowtow
    
    Depends on how important that “single issue” is , surely .
    
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    August 5, 2023 9:08am
    - rockape
      
      Me , I am a simple soul. My single issue isi want a government that will make NZ a better place to live and work.
      
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      August 5, 2023 12:26pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    It depends. Would someone be wrong in making race the major issue in deciding who to vote for?
    
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    August 5, 2023 9:17am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Exactly, I’m sure we all have a list of things that we are concerned about, the only difference would be the order of priority.
      
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      August 5, 2023 9:59am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Reminds me of my Grandad saying I should always vote Labour because I was a working man. Economics were beyond him, so was socialism. I was aware of socialism aged 13 in my first year of high school. My social studies teacher was mad. Asawn dam, told her to go there, got the cane.
    
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    August 5, 2023 9:25am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Aswan*
      
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      August 5, 2023 10:53am
  - mandk
    
    Not when they have been deprived of their livelihood for not taking the vaxx, or have experienced bodily harm because they believed the lies they were told about the vaxx, or have actually lost a loved one because of the vaxx.
    
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    August 5, 2023 12:28pm
- Che Guava
  
  It’s not about “the vax” – it’s much deeper than that. It’s about how nearly all of them exposed themselves as people of very low character who were too chicken shit to want to step out of line with the fake regime “consensus.” They did the wrong thing, which is now indisputable, and they now won’t admit it. Again, this demonstrates their low character. They expect people to either not have noticed at the time or to have noticed but have since forgotten about it. I don’t think so.
  
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  August 5, 2023 8:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    A power trip by Ardern and the fools followed her.
    Pity she is the only one who left.
    
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    August 5, 2023 9:28am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Saint Ash did a runner to his natural home at the WHO, Hipkins jumped to the leaders role denying any involvement in covid policies, Wiles, Baker, Hendy, Plank, Jackson and all the other squawking heads have ducked for cover.
      If you think about it, all the loudest voices pushing the madness have quietly slipped away or gone into hiding.
      
      Try getting a response out of our “Chief Science Advisor to the PM” about their thoughts on covid. Tumbleweed is a tumultuous racket in comparison…..
      
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      August 5, 2023 10:05am
  - tavita
    
    I won’t try to second guess what Seymour was thinking or what he is thinking now, but generally he seems to be a person of some integrity. He was clearly (albeit mistakenly) convinced of the efficacy of the vaccine and concerned about the dangers of the virus. He made it clear at the time that he thought the Government’s approach was wrong, but – I theorize – felt that it would nevertheless be wrong to undermine their efforts. What i do not understand is why he does not now want to admit he was misled – and why he is not being asked about it at the rallies around the country.
    
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    August 5, 2023 9:41am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      You’ve summed the situation up precisely in a paragraph. Thank you.
      
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      August 5, 2023 10:07am
    - leoj
      
      Whenever I get a communication from ACT I always reply.
      
      My reply always says the same thing. That it is not too late for David and ACT to apologize for hiding behind Jacinda’s skirt.
      
      It is certain that my replies are ignored as I have had no response whatsoever.
      
      ALL the parties were in lock-step, which is a crying shame.
      
      Not much of a choice on October 14.
      
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      August 5, 2023 10:26am
      - Bridgenag
        
        yes so do I
        
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        August 5, 2023 1:05pm
    - Mark Hanley
      
      I understand why there is no desire by the opposition parties to revisit the covid response because:
      
      1. Over 50% of voters supported the most expensive (and useless) covid response in the oecd.
      
      2. I assume opposition mps weren’t provided information such as the disastrous incidents of deadly side affects from the early covid batches which the Labour Party (who were very late to the vaccine party) mysteriously purchased and stuck unto the arms of our medical workforce and elderly.
      
      But I cannot understand why opposition parties aren’t asking questions about NZs ongoing significant excess mortality (numbers not seen since the Spanish flu in 1915).
      
      Hell even the WHO is publishing excess death data.
      
      15 MILLION EXCESS DEATHS to Dec. 2021.
      
      Imagine what the number is today.
      
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      August 5, 2023 11:09am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Yes they supported it at the time, but there are volumes more information now available to show they were wrong on all counts.
        
        It’s getting much harder to claim plausible deniability. It’s moving into the ‘moronic head in the sand and refusal to accept reality’ stage.
        
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        August 5, 2023 11:43am
    - NothingLeft
      
      If you want to succeed in politics, particularly at fringes, you can’t afford to apologize. As enemies will use it as ammunition and proof of falubility in every debate on every issue forever after.
      
      There is zero chance of anyone ever being made accountable for the excesses of covid Authoritarianism. Too many guilty people with too much reputation and power at stake. Give it up, it’s never happening.
      
      To repeat (yet again) elections are won in the middle, and that is where Nats have to win votes – from Labour. Appeasing right wing voters with their policy announcencements and posturing would be a losing strategy. So stop moaning about it.
      
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      August 5, 2023 12:53pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  The vaccine mandates and vaccine passes and locking citizens out of the country was some kind of collective madness. It happened. I can’t change that.
  
  For me voting ACT is not a difficult decision. It is the only logical choice.
  
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  August 5, 2023 8:56am
  - Che Guava
    
    It wasn’t a “collective madness.” It was a policy. It was a policy that nearly all of them agreed with. They agreed with the policy because they constitute a single political class, not a plurality of substantively differing views engaged in an adversarial contest. They exposed themselves and they now have to accept that people found out what they are all about, which is conforming and not rocking the boat too much.
    
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    August 5, 2023 9:03am
    - Steve Todd
      
      @Che Guava @ 9:03AM
      
      They agreed with the policy because they constitute a single political class, not a plurality of substantively differing views engaged in an adversarial contest.
      
      Nailed it, Che!
      
      If parliament was elected by STV from large, multimember electoral areas – e.g., nine or ten 12- and 13-seaters – our 120 personally voted-for and directly elected MPs would constitute “a plurality of substantively differing views engaged in an adversarial contest.”
      
      Not only would many of them be independents (as in Ireland), but a number of them would, at least as a sideline, be toeing their own line according to their own interests, both personal and electoral. If their party hierarchy didn’t like it and threw them out, they could stand as independents with a very real chance of being (re-)elected (again, as happens in Ireland).
      
      While there is no doubt that MMP is far superior to FPP, it, like all other electoral systems, pales in comparison with STV. STV in large electoral areas (with a ballot paper that facilitates voting in such areas) gives voters, collectively, the power to elect precisely who they want (given the candidates on offer). In effect, all MPs would have a political constituency within the geographical area from which they were elected, and could confidently conduct themselves, accordingly.
      
      Until we adopt STV in large electoral areas, our MPs will be little more than party voting fodder, with the List MPs being little more than party makeweights.
      
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      August 5, 2023 11:00am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        120 MPS who can’t agree is a good system?
        
        How much of our hard earned will be wasted garnering support for new laws and budgets?
        
        How could we vote on policy in the knowledge most promises will not get support from the other 119 independent mps.
        
        Click this link to view a learned stv analysis…..
        
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jL2DH-nKBeA
        
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        August 5, 2023 11:22am
      - Steve Todd
        
        @Mark Hanley @ 11:22AM
        
        [Video]. Well, aren’t you the funny boy? Not!
        
        120 MPS who can’t agree is a good system?
        
        That is not what I’m saying. STV does not remove the party system, nor does it remove the necessity for someone to be able to command a majority in the House.
        
        Coalition deals will still be done, but sometimes also with independent MPs who might be advocating for a specific consideration. In Ireland, which has a more “local” tradition, there can be as many as 10 or 12 independents, out of 158 MPs. In New Zealand, we would likely have one or two (and not necessarily immediately upon adoption).
        
        The point is, STV gives voters much more power, and forces MPs / parliament not to treat them as a necessary evil who have to be (at least) acknowledged once every three years and can then be largely ignored.
        
        Isn’t that what we want? After all, they’re supposed to work for us, aren’t they? You’re the one here who is promoting citizens’ assemblies (which I support), so presumably you want the People to have a more effective say in how this country is governed.
        
        I have no doubt that if my version of STV had been in operation over the last three years, things would have played out very differently. For example, the parliament protesters would have been listened to, rather than ignored, and commenters like ClanMcleod and krazykiwi would not have become as outraged as they are.
        
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        August 5, 2023 12:09pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Can you estimate/imagine how much time will be spent on “Coalition deals will still be done, but sometimes also with independent MPs who might be advocating for a specific consideration” for every policy?
        
        And unlike citizens referenda, Stv systems provide no recourse for voters when governments (never forget power corrupts) go rogue to line their own pockets.
        
        Let’s face it, it is likely another multi billion scheme (5 waters) will be devised to defraud tax payers in the future.
        
        Unlike stv citizens referenda have a chance of stopping such schemes.
        
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        August 5, 2023 12:45pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @Mark Hanley @ 12:45PM
        
        Independents are single-issue politicians, elected by a quota of voters in their multimember constituency to promote a specific issue, or to give the party they left a bit of a rev-up. In your ignorance of how STV works, you have put forward a completely nonsensical proposition.
        
        My point about (binding, Swiss-style) citizens’ referenda – not assemblies; my apologies – which I also support (and have said so here, more than once), is that we both want the People to have more say, both through their representatives and by means of citizen’s referenda (both of us) / assemblies (me).
        
        We are not that far apart. It’s just that you have got caught up about the fact that, under STV, which gives every voter a powerful vote, independents, when certain political and local imperatives are in play, can be elected by a quota of voters to advance a particular issue. That is a good thing, something that would never happen under MMP.
        
        For example, let’s say 3 Waters is not wanted by a majority of the People. In their large electoral area, there will be 10 National candidates, 10 Labour candidates, etc., but only about five each would be elected – it’s proportional representation. The People would rank-order the anti-3 Waters candidates, 1 to 12 (or more), putting the candidates of their preferred party ahead of the other candidates, before rank-ordering the pro-3 Waters candidates, say, 13 to whatever. That way, they are helping to elect the anti- candidates over the pro- candidates. The same could be done for vaccinations policy.
        
        That is a simple example of how STV in large electoral areas is superior to any other electoral system. Rather than persist in misrepresenting me, you could perhaps do some reading.
        
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        August 5, 2023 2:00pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      If was a classic case of “”group think”” when confronted by an immediate threat.
      
      No rational thought was apparent, as the “”do something”” mantra of politicians took hold..
      
      I said so then and am comfortable with an inital close the boarders while rational thought and research was done. Unfortunately emotions(feels) took precedent over verifiable facts.
      I liked in 2020 the Swedish approach of making a rational decision by their boss medical guy and ignoring Pollies fear feels.
      
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      August 5, 2023 2:04pm
  - kowtow
    
    Yes , it’s a very perverse world where the logical choice is to vote for the people who were illogical .
    
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    August 5, 2023 9:09am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    It wasn’t ‘collective madness’. It was selective madness.
    30% of the population supported those in Wellington protesting against the vicious human rights abuses employed to force people to partake in a medical experiment against their wishes.
    
    That’s almost a third of the adult population who recognised that whether you believed the hype and lies about the jabs or not, the actions being taken to compel compliance were beyond the pale.
    
    No, sadly 70% of the population succumbed to the propaganda and psyop that was inflicted on the country and accepted these breaches of human rights, either by supporting them or via their silence.
    
    Currently we have zero representation in parliament, yet National/Act supporters are dumbfounded that Peters might be getting some traction by making some noises about the abuses inflicted and the co-governance nightmare?
    
    I’m no political expert, but ffs, this is a glaring vacuum that was begging for Peters to exploit.
    
    I haven’t decided who I’m voting for, but the stubborn refusal of Act and National to even acknowledge covid even happened, let alone acknowledge those worst affected, makes it a very large dead rat that I’m not sure I can swallow.
    
    There’s plenty of time to address this if the relevant people can grow a spine.
    
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    August 5, 2023 9:14am
    - stiff cheese
      
      Apart from his ‘staged’ appearance at the protest (for what? a measly 15 minute walk-through?), what else did Peters contribute to the Anti-mandate movement? . . Coz I missed it.
      
      He’ll always let you down: he was the guy who betrayed HIS OWN SUPPORTERS when he let Ardern send him overseas to sign that UN Compact on Global Migration. He was the LAST guy who should have signed that, based on his previous rhetoric.
      
      (N.B. It’s part of the UN’s mission to subvert the sovereignty of Nation States by foisting mass immigration on Western countries — and ONLY Western countries. Peters should have opposed that, even if it meant ripping up his accursed Coalition Agreement).
      
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      August 5, 2023 12:46pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You vote depends on your Electorate. For me Cameron Brewer (Nat) will get my vote.
    Karen Chhour (Act) will get in on the List.
    I can’t really see anything that Vanushi Waters (Lab) has done for me, or the Electorate. She only won by 2300 votes. Human Rights Lawyer – her interests are not in Upper Harbour.
    
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    August 5, 2023 9:44am
  - mogg
    
    This government is a decomposing corpse and I will be voting to make sure it stays that way.
    
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    August 5, 2023 10:34am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yep, you won’t get fresh water until you remove the dead pigs upstream.
      
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      August 5, 2023 3:34pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Some people went along with the madness just to be able to go to a cafe for a coffee. Couldn’t be arsed fighting the tyranny because I wouldn’t be able to go to a cafe.
    I haven’t heard any of them apologising! So while 30% of population supported the protest most of them went along with the tyranny anyway. It isn’t surprising to me that the pollies won’t apologise when there are so few people in the country with a real backbone.
    
    My children had the backbone to stand up for their principles – made for a pretty shitty time – not allowed to go to school breakup pool party, no sports, no library visits, no movies, no swimming pools, sitting on the sidelines of society for a summer while others got their papers to be able to have a coffee at a cafe.
    
    That’s my rant – know it won’t be popular with many KBers who went with the flow.
    
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    August 5, 2023 12:04pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      To paraphrase Jack Nicholson.
      
      Some people can’t handle the truth.
      
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      August 5, 2023 12:53pm
  - jon
    
    Benedict Yu, logical to the core. Seymour excellent on Newshub Nation this morning. Just way to smart for the interviewer, the stumbling Simon, whatever his surname is, He owned him!
    
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    August 5, 2023 6:54pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      I’m completely over smartarse interviewers that ask a question then keep interrupting the answers with senseless attempts at ‘gotcha’.
      That fool Shepherd got owned by Seymour who kept his cool admirably.
      
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      August 6, 2023 2:21am
- Drone
  
  There will be several factors Tomtoddy, that influence the way that people vote. Much of today’s politics is about popularity rather than policy, possibly because people are realistic enough to know that whatever a government promises to implement very little will be done, it will always cost much more, and that will be sucked out of their pockets as additional tax. I have taken against arrogant supercilious politicians and I include James Shaw and Julianne Genter in that group. They are no longer true green politicians of the Rod Donald variety.
  
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  August 5, 2023 8:58am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Was that the same Rod Donald who said “you should trust me on MMP because I’m not a politician”?
    
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    August 5, 2023 9:41am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Greens died when Rod Donald died and Fitzsimons no longer there.
    The current clowns are commies.
    
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    August 5, 2023 9:47am
    - pdm
      
      Steve – almost certain that more commies will follow off the Green List.
      
      Anyone else notice that Cannibus Chloe offered plenty of advice re the Auckland shooting but would not be interviewed by TV1..
      
      Then to make it worse that awful Morse woman appeared – atleast she had her top on I suppose.
      
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      August 5, 2023 10:08am
    - Matt Long
      
      They always we’re, the people I know who were dealing with the so called honest greens said they would say one thing to your face and totally go back on it immediately.
      
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      August 5, 2023 10:11am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Genuine conservationists vote Green but may dislike the communism they also end up with.”
  
  What genuine conservation policies do the Greens bring that would not be advanced by a National ACT Government? Is the next government going to defund Kiwi and Kakapo protection?
  
  This is what the Greens represent…
  
  .. Economic destruction
  
  .. Terrible climate change policies
  
  .. Irrational transport policies
  
  .. Racism and ethno nationalism.
  
  They have nothing to do with “conservation”. They are by far the biggest danger to New Zealand as a peaceful, successful nation.
  
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  August 5, 2023 9:05am
  - Opie
    
    “They (the greens) are by far the biggest danger to New Zealand as a peaceful, successful nation.”
    
    Maori Party: hold our beer
    
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    August 5, 2023 9:09am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yep, hold my beer as well. Gotta make sure Labour die for 15 years.
      
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      August 5, 2023 9:51am
  - Matt Long
    
    The genuine greens who won’t fix Wellington’s sewage issues?
    There’s no environments in the greens.
    
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    August 5, 2023 9:28am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      I see Tory took two return flights to a three day Chch conference so that she could pop home in the middle to open a film festival.
      
      You can judge how little climate change means to her in that one action.
      
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      August 5, 2023 12:32pm
  - pdm
    
    BY – you forgot taxing the country into oblivion.
    
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    August 5, 2023 9:29am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Also the party:
    – bringing the Trans-activist culture war to our shores
    – anti cis-white men, the biggest purveyors of violence in the world
    – supporters of any activism that brings death to heteronormal, patriarchal society – ie the enemy of our enemy is our friend
    
    Their worldview puts humanity into competition with the ecosystem, so unfortunately they are the anti-human party!
    
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    August 5, 2023 10:35am
  - GJM
    
    The green party. The environmental party that voted against the Kenmare fishing sanctuary.
    
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    August 5, 2023 7:19pm
- Michael Sommerville
  
  I agree with Capt M that single issue voters are not looking at the big picture. Being a great supporter of the initial protest in Wellington I am not swayed by the position of the various parties as there are far bigger “big picture” issues to vote on.
  
  I shall vote for ACT as I believe their core values of limited government spending, personal responsibility and personal freedom are closest to my core values. They don’t get everything right but do better than the rest. They also have a better record on execution of policy – take charter schools which was a great facility for Maori and Pacifica who wanted to get educated.
  
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  August 5, 2023 9:10am
  - mandk
    
    ACT’s core values of … personal freedom …
    
    Don’t make me laugh.
    
    It was such a core value that it was sacrificed the first and only time it was tested.
    
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    August 5, 2023 12:34pm
  - stiff cheese
    
    You forgot their other core value — Mass Immigration.
    
    Same as National and Labour.
    
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    August 5, 2023 1:49pm
- Rodney Hide
  
  Hi Tomtoddy
  
  I am for the first time a single issue voter: my vote is for the party that promises a select committee inquiry into the vaccine injured and dead. Everyone acknowledges there are vaccine deaths and injuries. There is debate over the extent. The injured and the families of the dead have been marginalised and dismissed.
  
  For me, it is a simple test of humanity.
  
  Absent that humanity, I can’t give you my vote.
  
  I know there is much at stake. There always is. But to me our basic humanity is at stake and that trumps everything.
  
  Rodney Hide
  
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  August 5, 2023 9:20am
  - Jack5
    
    As important as the vaccine the economic shutdown?
    
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    August 5, 2023 9:25am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      It’s all related to the same thing. Covid policies that were as useless as they were undemocratic as they were totalitarian, as they were morally repugnant on every level.
      
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      August 5, 2023 10:15am
  - Tomtoddy
    
    You are a pretty reasonable bloke Rodney so I am interested in your response. A full, and independent enquiry with wide terms of reference is a must for such a devastating and controversial issue. But six years of the most incompetent and dangerous government in our history that has left critical areas like education and health in appalling disarray must surely trump the need for an enquiry as the voter’s highest priority if it came to a black/white choice???
    
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    August 5, 2023 9:40am
    - Rodney Hide
      
      Hi Tomtoddy
      
      Yes health and education are in disarray. But the slide didn’t begin with Labour and I suspect are beyond fixing with the greatest will in the world. The fix now is only be putting the people in charge by privatisation.
      
      A party brave enough to confront the shocking experience of vaccine deaths and injuries will be a brave government. We need brave government. Just like we got in 1984.
      
      Rodney
      
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      August 5, 2023 10:05am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    Rodney,
    Is Act promising an Inquiry?
    I am pretty sure NZF is, but I can’t imagine you would vote for NZF in any circumstances.
    
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    August 5, 2023 9:52am
    - Rodney Hide
      
      Hi Wayne
      
      No they are not. And yes I would vote NZ1 because I am a single issue voter. But for Winston it would need to be a bottom line written in blood. I don’t believe he can be trusted to deliver on a campaign promise!
      
      Rodney
      
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      August 5, 2023 10:07am
      - Martonman
        
        Hi Rodney looks like you might be voting for the Nats.
        National promises public inquiry into Covid response if elected
        By Akula Sharma
        8 Sep, 2022 08:30 AM
        4 mins to read
        
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        August 5, 2023 11:36am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yes Rodney. A party that will kick off Nuremberg 2.0.
    The Faucis of this World belong in prison.
    
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    August 5, 2023 9:54am
    - Rodney Hide
      
      Hi Steve
      
      Let’s at least get the facts out in the open and tested. And what do you do if we find public officials lied and through advocating mandates directly caused death and debilitating injury?
      
      It is easy to understand why there is such resistance to a simple and straightforward inquiry.
      
      Rodney
      
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      August 5, 2023 10:12am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Special K wanted people out of prison to make room for the wave of Covid liars?//
        
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        August 5, 2023 11:02am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Rodeny. Well done for belatedly repeating my (unanswered) question to you in April….
        
        “Will Adern, Hipkins, Robertson, and Bloomfield now be investigated to ascertain their motivation for lying to and poisoning an entire nation?
        
        Can the aforementioned parties be prosecuted for lying to and poisoning an entire nation?”
        
        NZ REQUIRES AN ANSWER!
        
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        August 5, 2023 11:53am
      - Michael Sommerville
        
        If for no other reason, I would love to see Dame JA subpoenaed to testify (under oath) about what she knew or was told by whom.
        
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        August 5, 2023 2:05pm
  - tavita
    
    You surprise me Rodney. Your one vote has as little chance as mine of ensuring your choice of party gets elected, whereas your access to the ears of those likely to be elected is surely much greater than mine. Maybe your friends are focused on other issues right now, but if i were you, i would vote for a party that would be most likely to be persuadable post the election.
    
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    August 5, 2023 9:58am
  - waikatosinger
    
    This is the only time when we can make the politicians pay attention to issues that WE care about. I see nothing wrong with voters at this time telling politicians “This issue is important to me – do something about it if you want my vote”.
    
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    August 5, 2023 9:58am
    - Matt Long
      
      Now is the time when politicians smile at you like fawning dogs pretending to pay attention to issues WE care about.
      At moments like the Wellington protest we get to view how they really feel about the government harming people and how responsive they themselves might be when it is their own government harming people.
      
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      August 5, 2023 10:18am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      waikatosinger – exactly, surely that’s what elections are about? People can voice their opinions, voters can choose what to do based on those responses.
      
      Instead, anyone daring to question National and Act’s useless response to the abuses meted out over the last 3 years is told to “stfu and vote for who we tell you.”
      
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      August 5, 2023 10:21am
    - leoj
      
      ………. and there are idiots wanting to extend the electoral term to four years. An extra year to put their feet up and do nothing.
      
      I want elections every TWO years. Make the bastards accountable and more often.
      
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      August 5, 2023 10:40am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    Michael. Name one ACT ‘policy execution’ still in place today (with the exception of the rederendum backed end of life bill).
    
    Centre right parties can leave irreversible improvements in our quality of life by investing in infrastructure. Labour can’t dig up Fibre broad band, roads of national significance (National had laid out their credible plan for more) and the NZ cycle trails.
    
    I am amazed ACT aren’t advocating citizens referenda (the excellent and absolutely vital TOW referendum excepted) to cement their policies in future!
    
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    August 5, 2023 11:37am
- Inandout
  
  Tom, best voters put aside the protests because compliance runs deep in the Kiwi psyche. Witness how our larget city’s population simply rolled over for 100 days by command of Jacinda. Remember how the inane rules were issued about running back to your house to ablute rather than infect your neighbour? Many Aucklanders complied like trained seals while meantime businesses closed up and families were damaged. One section of society rebelled and were allowed to carry on regardless while another section was described as ‘filth’ and were eventually arrested.
  
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  August 5, 2023 9:20am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Inandout – you could do worse than watch this video. A visual reminder without commentary of the level of insanity and abuse we were subjected to.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H44SrrbIKYU
    
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    August 5, 2023 10:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Traffic lights – and idea that came from kindy, very childish.
    
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    August 5, 2023 11:06am
- Philview
  
  I am in that moral conservative box and view ACT as being to the Left of Labour in this policy area. I will be voting National as think we need a competent Government and they have the MPs to deliver that. I have plenty of concerns about National but they are the most competent option to my mind.
  
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  August 5, 2023 9:29am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Tomtoddy – you are talking about what have been the worst and most destructive policies imposed on innocent citizens by any government in NZ history in the last century. It was supported by all 121 politicians in parliament. That fact alone should be of concern to anyone who genuinely believes in democracy and freedom of choice and speech.
  
  These policies destroyed the lives of thousands of people and negatively impacted the lives, friendships and relationships of hundreds of thousands.
  
  I won’t even get into detail re the physical harms done that will be with us for many years to come.
  Suffice to say, anyone who thinks they got the jab and because they feel fine right now they dodged a bullet, might get a bit of a shock at some point in the future. I truly hope they don’t, but it’s already happening.
  Turbo cancers and blood related issues are increasing through the roof. “Died suddenly” is a thing but of course correlation is not causation. /s
  
  This wasn’t just another poor tax policy.
  
  The issues raised by the protesters in Wellington are not the only driver, but they are front and centre for many and rightly so.
  If you permit this level of abuse to slide quietly into the rear view mirror without a murmur, then don’t complain when it’s revisited on you in a few years to save the ‘climate’ or any other ’emergency’ the government of the day decides fits the bill.
  
  Acknowledging the abuse doesn’t require a groveling apology or admission of guilt.
  
  Watch this simple and truthful acknowledgment by one of the few honest politicians in Canada. It’s just over a minute long. She isn’t apologising, she isn’t begging for forgiveness.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_7e0RNGOvU
  
  Let me know what reason you can think of that would preclude Seymour or Luxon speaking out in this way. Better still, a joint statement.
  
  That would finish Peter’s career, he would not get to the 5% threshold.
  
  Calling these people ‘fuckwits’ as Captain Mainwaring did is unlikely to sway their opinion, but of course if you don’t need their votes then carry on.
  
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  August 5, 2023 9:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Smith is the type of person I would deffinatly vote for.
    NZ Politicians need to grow a pair.
    
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    August 5, 2023 10:01am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    ” friendships and relationships of hundreds of thousands.”
    In my extended family there was a baby born. Visitors one at a time – maybe two.
    Thing that pissed me off is the Women had to stay in their rooms. I know for a fact the Women make many lifetime friends in the Maternity Wards. Our family member missed out in that.
    Dam you Ardern!!
    
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    August 5, 2023 11:14am
    - Flossie
      
      My experience of today’s maternity wards is – arrive, have baby and a few hours, later pack up and go home. This is based on births of several grandchildren in the past few years.
      Indeed it was different a couple of decades or more ago when mothers may well have been there long enough to get to know one another.
      
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      August 5, 2023 1:25pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Funnily enough, despite my consistent opposition to most of the Chinese Lung Rot measures of the government, it’s the race rules being written into law that I wrote about, I guess this will be my single issue in 2023.
  
  And that’s not so much because of Labour, Green and Te Paiti Maori pushing this stuff but because of the likes of what former National MP’s like Chris Finlayson have said on the issue – and about their own voters:
  
  “I simply say to people, one, there’s a new regime, get with it folks; two, Rome wasn’t built in a day.”
  
  While he says there’s room for robust debate about the co-governance model between the Crown and iwi and hapū, Finlayson’s advice for dealing with the “sour right” behind the racist, resentful rhetoric: “We’ve just got to leave those losers behind and move on. They don’t like tangata whenua. They dream of a world that never was and never could be,” he says.
  
  As I said in the post:
  Two words Mr Finlayson.
  
  Fuck
  
  You.
  
  My Scottish and Irish ancestors lived for hundreds of years tugging their forelocks to Irish landowners and Scottish Lairds, escaped that, and neither I nor my kids are going to repeat that process with the likes of Prince Willie Jackson and Princess Nanaia Mahuta.
  
  And the thing is that Finlayson fits in so perfectly with them and their born-to-rule arrogance. That wealthy Khandallah childhood; the Latin and French majors; the LLM and mixing in the highest echelons of our legal and political circles, not to mention the leaders of our various great iwi. No wonder National lapped him up and loved him. He could elegantly stick it to Labour and others on these issues.
  
  While all the time he was basically on the same side as them.
  
  And now in keeping with that Olympian attitude of superiority, in his mind the issue has already been decided by The Powers That Be – meaning the political elite of both National and Labour, plus our academic and legal communities – and now it’s just a matter of getting on with it.
  
  Elections? Democracy? Pfft. I would not now be at all surprised if he uttered then same phrase as Willie Jackson about this nation, that “We’re in a consensus-type democracy now. This is not a majority democracy.” Consensus is one of those words which, when I hear it, tells me I’m about to be lied to.
  
  I’ve never been a single issue voter in my life, and in this case it may be two issues, this and the C-19 shit, but both because they have one thing in common: lies and a lack of trust in “my own side”.
  
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  August 5, 2023 10:10am
- coge
  
  A large bloc of the electorate will refuse to vote for any segregationists. They aren’t prepared to trade off their rights under any circumstances.
  
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  August 5, 2023 10:24am
  - miltonF
    
    “They aren’t prepared to trade off their rights under any circumstances.”*
    
    *except for their bodily autonomy, freedom of
    movement, freedom of speech, right to work, informed consent etc etc. and all it took was a mild flu!
    
    People do realise they are throwing away these rights by voting for a party than went along with the Covid charade right?….right?
    
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    August 5, 2023 2:55pm
- rouppe
  
  For me, not voting is not an option. So to choose, I need to decide what my goals are
  
  Goal 1: cast this lot out.
  Goal 2: real action on eliminating racism in law
  
  That’s pretty much it. A number of other desirable things will (should) flow from those that believe in and act on goal 2.
  
  At 61, I’ll even vote for a party that increases the eligibility age for super, if I can demonstrably see policies that provide an overall improvement in nz society and economy.
  
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  August 5, 2023 10:32am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Oh it will be the left that won’t vote
    
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    August 5, 2023 8:36pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  The thing that stunned me the most was finding out that our basic freedoms weren’t valued any higher than a pinch of shit, and _nobody_ seemed that bothered about it. No politicians, not the media, not even the judiciary. I still remember seeing that Police Commisioner tell us with a wee smirk on his face that people might wind up cooling their heels in a cell rather than on a couch if they dared to stray too far from home. Frickin unbelievable.
  This all happened when we already knew that the disease wasn’t all that deadly to the vast majority of us.
  As best as I can tell, we still don’t have any politicians pushing for any changes to make it harder for leaders to strip our basic rights from us.
  Consequently, I don’t place great stock in _any_ of the current bunch of politicians. Some people might think I’m a little bitter and twisted about this…
  
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  August 5, 2023 11:12am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Cuddles Coster – shiny on top, but underneath a power crazed idiot.
    He just loved hinting we would be in jail if we did not comply. Cuba anyone?
    
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    August 5, 2023 11:18am
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      Mike Bush was the Commissioner at the time lockdowns were first imposed.
      
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      August 5, 2023 11:27am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Was it Bush or Coster that had that wee smirk, with a tone of “I am in control here’?
        I do recall Coster giving me the talking nice with a subliminal message.
        
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        August 5, 2023 11:36am
      - Chris Nisbet
        
        Not saying that Coster wasn’t a smirker, but Bush is the one I remember.
        
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        August 5, 2023 11:47am
      - kowtow
        
        CN
        
        Yes it was Bush , as I recall .
        
        And yes it was distinctly unconstitutional .
        
        basically he was saying there’ll be no due process and you’ll lose your liberty at our leisure.
        
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        August 5, 2023 1:55pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Watch this as a reminder why you are NOT bitter and twisted, but would be forgiven for being so.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H44SrrbIKYU
    
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    August 5, 2023 11:40am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Anyone belting that bullshit about the protests are fools, the day Tamaki’s lot turned up in Wellington then they were f……d, several people I know went to Wellington, and all stated theg left because of Tamaki influencers
  
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  August 5, 2023 8:32pm
Cassandra

3 Waters seems to have dropped off the radar and it shouldn’t. 10 Waters isn’t a solution, it just compounds the error. And news that three of the four CEOs from 3 Waters are being paid megabucks to do nothing should be shouted from the rooftops. Are we suffering fatigue or is the media corruption continuing despite the end of the Media Bribe Fund? Has Labour worked out another way to corrupt the media?
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August 5, 2023 8:45am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Massive IT systems RfPs in the market from Internal Affairs as part of the establishment of 10 Waters.
  
  The T&Cs allows for a break if govt policy changes. Heh!
  
  I think DIA will receive fewer responses than would normally be the case.
  
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  August 5, 2023 12:40pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Fear not Cassandra; it will be back on the radar in the last two weeks of Parliament as the government tries to ram the remaining Three Waters legislation through. That puts it nicely back on the agenda in the run-up to the election!
  
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  August 5, 2023 1:10pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Voting is an exercise in identifying the least worst option.

Unless you’re a politician’s mother, of course.
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August 5, 2023 8:47am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Something I heard the other day – At the end of the day, no matter who you vote for you wind up with a politician.
  
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  August 5, 2023 9:37am
Jack5

Culture war is throwing up colourful language, like this UK attack on Costa Coffee (owned by Coca-Cola) over a transgender-related cartoon it used.

The cartoon (second link below) shows a transgender person with chest scars from masectomy.

This is the language in the Telegraph:

“How many oak-milk matcha lattes must the snowflakes at Costa have drunk to come up with this orgy of wokery?”

A matcha latte? The Net explains: “A matcha latte consists of matcha powder (made from the finely-ground leaves of certain green tea plants), water, and milk.”

This is the link to the article. I’m not sure, but I think it is outside the Telegraph paywall:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/04/transgender-ideology-biggest-scandal-of-our-generation/

The Costa advertisement that sparked the article:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/31/costa-boycott-cartoon-trans-man/
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August 5, 2023 8:48am
- Notsofast
  
  Around 2010 began a revolution.
  Take the time to properly hear what is described in this podcast. Then you will see what they are doing to your grand children.
  And why the lightly armed war on the steps of the district court on September 20 matters
  
  https://youtu.be/fRoGVXPycEI
  
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  August 5, 2023 9:51am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    The moment you get the population to go along with the lie that a Man is a Woman is the moment you can get them to go along with anything.
    
    That is what they are teaching our children.
    
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    August 5, 2023 12:30pm
    - Notsofast
      
      Yes.
      The truth is told by
      Helen Joyce
      Kathleen Stock
      Stella O’Malley
      Sasha Ayad
      Hannah Barnes
      Leor Sapir
      Stephanie Wynn
      And others
      These are titans in the field, and show New Zealand politicians other than Shane Jones and Jill Ovens are frauds.
      
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      August 5, 2023 1:02pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        How are Shane Jones and Jill Ovens different from the rest?
        
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        August 5, 2023 1:18pm
      - Notsofast
        
        They specifically oppose sterilization of minors.
        
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        August 5, 2023 6:29pm
    - kowtow
      
      PL
      
      I felt that over redefining what marriage is .
      
      They also stripped parents of their right to discipline their own children .
      
      So many mile stones on our road to the gulag and many people still don’t realise we’re being herded off to some dystopian future , which is actually here already ,if that makes sense.
      
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      August 5, 2023 2:27pm
      - Notsofast
        
        You got it exactly.
        A lot of lives already destroyed.
        
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        August 5, 2023 6:30pm
Yvette

I’m not aware if anyone has yet asked, of the 100,000 people that Julian Bachelor hopes to have demonstrate in the Auckland Domain on the eve of the Election, will the next day vote for New Zealand First? Will Julian motivate a whole bunch of people, but leave them with nothing practical to do?

Just asking for Winston
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August 5, 2023 8:51am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I am going to that on Oct 13th. Batchelor did have some Winston first at the outset, but I don’t see that now.
  
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  August 5, 2023 10:05am
imalwaysright

Strange how we aren’t hearing about terrorism around the world anymore .

Not since covid appeared.

Is it still going on, and not being reported, or is covid doing a better job?
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August 5, 2023 8:51am
- Che Guava
  
  If we need to go into the Middle East (or stay there) we get reports of “ISIS.” If we need to clamp down on free speech online that undermines the liberal orthodoxy, or if we get a popular President who recognises the interests of White people, we get a series of “White supremacist” shooters. We’ll probably start to see Chinese terrorists soon if we need an additional reason for war with China. The “terrorists” always seem to advance the interests of the ruling class, while disadvantaging the groups which the so-called terrorists are purportedly associated with, however loosely or tenuously.
  
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  August 5, 2023 9:35am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It is still happening. Flat ban on all NZ media and you will find the truth in overseas media. A lot of things that happen in NZ we find out from Sky News AU.
  So yeah, ban all NZ media, it is better for your health and sanity.
  
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  August 5, 2023 11:24am
Yvette

A $150 million investment fund is being created to grow assets for Treaty negotiations with Ngāpuhi, with the Government calling it a “significant step” in attempts to restore its relationship with the iwi.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/02/02/150m-investment-fund-created-in-bid-to-restore-relationship-with-ngapuhi/

Northland iwi leaders highly critical of Crown-owned company
Disappointing, out of touch and full of numpties — that’s how Northland leaders have described Tupu Tonu, the Crown-owned company in charge of buying assets that will eventually be offered to Ngāpuhi in a Treaty settlement.

Quelle surprise!
Labour is currently running the country
And through co-governance Labour wants the Maori Elite to help them run the country.
What a real recipe for custard?

Just mentioned for Julian
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August 5, 2023 8:55am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Payments on account for future settlements is not uncommon. National did that in 1994 for both Tainui and Ngai Tahu. It is helpful to progress the settlement. In those two cases the settlements were done in 1995 and in 1996.
  There have been payments on account for other settlements as well.
  
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  August 5, 2023 9:57am
  - Jack5
    
    Wayne Mapp’s “payments on account” are top-ups for Ngai Tahu and Tainui tribes, such as the $370 million to them in 2018.
    
    The top-up was triggered by a “relativity clause” in the original 1994 Treaty contracts. Once total tribal settlements reached $1 billion, both tribes became entitled to a percentage of all future settlements.
    
    Ngai Tahu became entitled to 16.1 per cent and Waikato-Tainui to 17 per cent of all future settlements to other tribes, in 1994 dollars.
    
    Former National Minister Chris Finlayson (a list MP from 2005 to 2019), in his pre-Parliament career negotiated the sweetheart settlement for Ngai Tahu. For nine years he was both Attorney-General and Minister for Treaty Settlements.
    
    Once more, sorry for the long web link:
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/waikato-tainui-and-ngai-tahu-receive-370-million-treaty-top-up/QI6TBZHQOZLN6ZQADC6G2TPNQE/#:~:text=Waikato-Tainui%20and%20Ngai%20Tahu%20have%20received%20top-ups%20on,million%20and%20Waikato-Tainui%20%24190%20million%2C%20according%20to%20Fairfax.
    
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    August 5, 2023 11:14am
    - kowtow
      
      “Full and final ” said the Nats , “Safe and effective” said Labour , meanwhile the rest of us get shafted .
      
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      August 5, 2023 2:32pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I am sure Julian will read this or have it pointed out to him.
  Website will mention this soon.
  Don’t the bastards ever stop giving away our money?
  
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  August 5, 2023 11:27am
NeverMindTheBollocks

I call bullshit on this.

“Global average daily sea surface temperatures (SST) hit 20.96C this week”

Someone’s having a laugh.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/aug/04/oceans-hit-highest-ever-recorded-temperature
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August 5, 2023 9:02am
- CJames
  
  If you read the article, they got their breathtaking alarmism from activist “scientists” who were using a climate model. No doubt the same model that said hottest month in 120k years. Strange the actual temperature data from satellites didn’t show the same thing.
  What I want to know is when the boiling starts.//
  
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  August 5, 2023 9:19am
  - Yvette
    
    A map in the New York Times, showing surface temperature anomaly last month, with darkened areas off California and around Japan and where you would expect it to be, but nothing of significance around India, so what are the Indians are doing right?
    
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    August 5, 2023 9:44am
    - emmess
      
      Less airport tarmacs to put thermometers near.
      
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      August 5, 2023 2:21pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    No they did not get the data from activist scientists.
    
    Copernicus data sets are reliable.
    
    https://marine.copernicus.eu/about/producers/sst-tac
    
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    August 5, 2023 9:50am
    - CJames
      
      Benedict
      According to the Guardian article, they used a model to make their statement, not using data from the sea thermometers. Like the land ones, the scientists often make announcements long before all or even most of the data is in.
      
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      August 5, 2023 1:15pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Why? There is nothing new about ocean temperature data sets.
  
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  August 5, 2023 9:19am
  - cmm
    
    Yes there is. There is always something new about measurements because they are done differently.
    
    Unless data is collected using the same, or equivalent, methods it cannot be used in like-for-like comparisons.
    
    Do you really think that data captured by a guy using a thermometer hanging off a rope is equivalent to data collected by satellite from 200km up in space?
    
    Do you really think that airport temperatures gathered in the 1940s with grass runways is equivalent to modern temperatures gathered next to a building belching air conditioning – standing on tarmac?
    
    None of this can be “corrected” with models (what is normally done), because the models are based on guesswork.
    
    When we come up with a new way of doing measurements (eg. some new funky measurement from a satellite), we need at least 30 years of data gathering before we have a good data set to work with.
    
    Measuring consistently is one of the most fundamental bases of science. If your measurements are crap, your science is crap.
    
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    August 5, 2023 3:45pm
- imalwaysright
  
  I would complain.
  They promised me it would be boiling .
  
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  August 5, 2023 9:19am
- Inandout
  
  NM, and the Great Barrier Reef has not suffered and is thriving. I wonder why?
  
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  August 5, 2023 9:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Someone might have told some porkies so they could continue getting paid for nothing?
    
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    August 5, 2023 11:39am
- Taieri
  
  “Sea surface temperature measurements made from ships go back more than 150 years and are some of the longest instrumental records available for understanding the climate.”
  
  Says The Guardian…
  
  So, how did we measure these temperatures way back then, before the satellites took over? I’m old enough to remember…
  
  The thermometers were usually located somewhere on the sea cooling water suction strainer housing, way down in the “Dark Hole” that was the ship’s bilge. A quick glance downwards was all that was needed to record the temperature. No great accuracy was required so any parallax errors were simply ignored. In the later years, after an infrared thermometer was invented, the measurements were a bit more accurate, but not necessarily all that much, as even a short deviation from the “spot” would result in a temperature variation and not just of a fraction of a degree.
  
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  August 5, 2023 9:58am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  20.96C, up from 20.95. Yeah, right.
  Hands up who thinks their measurements are accurate to within .01C?
  Actually, this is what the Copernicus website tells me…
  “with an absolute accuracy of better than 0.3 K, globally, both for a single sample and when averaged over areas of 0.5° longitude by 0.5° latitude, under certain cloud-free conditions (i.e. >20% cloud-free samples within each area)”
  
  The article then tries to suggest that the record goes back 150 years, but it’s nonsense to suggest they had any idea at all what the global average sea temperature was when there were so few ships travelling the Southern ocean decades ago. The Copernicus people argue that although the satellite record is short, they think it was cooler before then, so the satellite record records are _probably_ warmer than all other times during that last century or so. No mention of other warm periods that occurred before then, when Greenland was green, when forests grew closer to the Arctic circle, when the Arctic actually was ice free at times, when rivers in Europe dried up, etc.
  
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  August 5, 2023 10:16am
  - Taieri
    
    there were so few ships travelling the Southern ocean decades ago.
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    There were very few ships travelling any ocean 150 years ago. And most of them did not record sea temperatures because there was no need to do so.
    
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    August 5, 2023 11:02am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  WUWT has an interesting arcticleabout how the settled science about the shifting seasons (spring coming earlier) might not actually be that settled. It turns out that natural variability is actually pretty variable, and experts were seeing trends due to “Climate Change!” where there weren’t any.
  
  Let’s pretend for a minute that the sea surface temperature really is 0.01C warmer than we’ve ever measured before (lol) . So friggin’ what?
  
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  August 5, 2023 10:40am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Not having a laugh. Lying through their teeth.
  
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  August 5, 2023 10:40am
Sparrow

No vac/mandate is not the only driver but a very important driver for many. I have spoken to many people some supported the vaccine others opposed it. All have the same concern. Our MPs without exception were a bunch of sheep in their support of dictatorial instructions which impinged on people’s rights and their abuse of people expressing their democratic rights. Thus our democracy has been undermined by our own representatives. Comments such as ” just like the nazis” are common from ordinary Kiwis not conspiracy nutters. Democracy is under threat when good people do nothing.
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August 5, 2023 9:07am
Grunter

Here’s a thought….
According to a bunch of people, including our current Govt, NZ has ‘systemic racism’ against Māori in our health system, in our schools, prisons, courts, police, etc.
So, if only 2% of Kiwis have 50% or more Māori bloodlines, that means about 15% of Kiwis are choosing to identify as Māori instead of whatever the other ethnic bloodlines they have. In some cases people with less than 10% Māori choose to identify as a Māori.
So why would you willingly do that if that meant you were systemically discriminated against as you went about your day????
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August 5, 2023 9:18am
- Che Guava
  
  They wouldn’t. The problem is Maori in general, not a system that discriminates against them. In fact, we are bending over backwards to give Maori an advantage over non-Maori, yet they still can’t get it together. It’s something about Maori, not the rest of us. This is why no amount of “programs” and extra resources will fix anything. Disparities between people and groups of people are baked into the cake. Egalitarianism is an ideological phantom. If we reject race realism, we need all of these bs confected excuses to explain what can be explained much more easily, but in a way that is offensive to liberal dogma.
  
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  August 5, 2023 9:28am
  - Paulus
    
    Perhaps Maori, whoever they are, are still Tribal !
    It suits them financially to get more than another tribe.
    
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    August 5, 2023 1:27pm
- John Loveridge
  
  Many people love to identify as victims. It adds some purpose to their dull lives. If you can be a member of a group of victims it’s even better. Solidarity, herd identity, some drama to spice things up… it’s not hard to work out.
  
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  August 5, 2023 10:14am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    John Loveridge – it helps when there are financial advantages for being a victim too.
    
    Similar happened during covid, normally dull, invisible, beige people got to wear a mask and shriek “look at me! – I’m vulnerable!”
    They are the clowns you still see from time to time in their car, on their own, fully masked up.
    
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    August 5, 2023 10:44am
- Dave
  
  I guess, in answer to your rhetorical question, you can stand in solidarity with some of your friends, relatives and more colourful ancestors, acquire saintly victim status while nobly defending the oppressed, have a ready explanation for failure, all probably without actually paying an actual penalty, and there could be money in it.
  
  On a slightly related note, I see that Joel Maxwell hopes that it will be a safe election for Maori, free from Maori bashing. Evidently, questioning/opposing co-governance makes people unsafe. How’s Julian Batchelor’s safety these days?
  
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  August 5, 2023 10:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Opposing co-governance activates the Warrior gene.
    
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    August 5, 2023 11:46am
- Paulus
  
  Tell me How many Maori are there because the last 2 Censuses have be totally incorrect as far a Maori participation is concerned.
  Who decides the number ?
  
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  August 5, 2023 10:37am
slightlyrighty

I’m still somewhat dumbfounded that the Party that has, as it’s election slogan, “in it for you”, would torpedo the move by Nicola Willis to introduce more flexibility in Parental leave entitlement.
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August 5, 2023 9:21am
- AitchW
  
  I don’t know why you’re surprised. This government regards National as the evil empire and would rather dive headfirst into a pool of cold vomit than admit any idea suggested by National is anything other than paternalistic, colonialist, sexist, anti worker oppression..
  
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  August 5, 2023 10:10am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Will said it will be done in their first 100 days
    
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    August 5, 2023 8:55pm
- John Loveridge
  
  Spite, nothing more.
  
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  August 5, 2023 10:15am
  - Hollyfield
    
    Could be spite, or could be a fear of losing control by giving people the choice to make the best decision for their own circumstances, instead of obediently doing what the all-knowing Government knows is right for them.
    Or more likely a combination of the two.
    
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    August 5, 2023 10:58am
  - bjools
    
    Lately passing massive amounts of legislation, under urgency.
    To give Nation/Act a mountain of garbage to wade through (in appealing it), before they can get to, what Labour have ignored for 6 years, the JOB of running the country.
    
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    August 5, 2023 11:00am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      “running the country” Wots that?
      
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      August 5, 2023 11:48am
- Matt Long
  
  Does 5heir slogan have something to do with Robertson’s fiscal hole?
  
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  August 5, 2023 11:51am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Will said it will be done in their first 100 days
  
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  August 5, 2023 8:44pm
Nickc2

The only difference between China and NZ under the current Govt is that China has Communism already.
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August 5, 2023 9:23am
slightlyrighty

Lots of coverage on the MSM about Labour’s investment in our run down Defence Force, with many commentators referring to the fact that we no longer live in a “benign strategic environment”

Of course, no mention of the fact that it was Helen Clark who initiated the rot when she said that we now lived in a “benign strategic environment” as she disbanded our fighter wing and halved our Navy from 4 frigates to 2.
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August 5, 2023 9:28am
Maggie Pie

A lot of people wondering how on earth that nasty Trannie tomato sauce thrower Eli Rubishtyn was able to get past Security…. and actually gain access to the Albert-Park-Band-Rotunda PRIOR to Possies arrival?

And no wonder poor Possie was scared….I mean look at the SIZE of the bloke!

https://twitter.com/MuraparaMaggie/status/1687201683783434240
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August 5, 2023 9:40am
- AitchW
  
  Bullying, intimidating anti free speech thug. That he can’t see the hypocrisy speaks volumes about him and all of the rent a mob who shut Parker down.
  
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  August 5, 2023 10:13am
- mogg
  
  Roseanne Barr, what is a woman;
  “A person with tits hanging down to her belly and a floppy uterus, after giving birth to five ungrateful little bastards who all vote left wing.”
  
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  August 5, 2023 10:50am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Police were there – hiding around the corner waiting for an order from the higher ups. IMO Police were in cahoots with TV3 to make some “news.” They should have been between the activists and those who wanted to hear.
  This is what is done overseas, who changed it?
  That thing from Fiji was behind the transistors.
  
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  August 5, 2023 11:54am
- Bridgenag
  
  Here it is to remind everyone
  https://youtu.be/0QHmJL-a5tM
  
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  August 5, 2023 1:13pm
Nickc2

Is anyone else experiencing very slow downloads from KB?

[Mod – we are aware, hopefully it can be sorted soon]
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August 5, 2023 10:04am
- Biscuit
  
  Ah, Nickc2m and here I was thinking it was Internet vs Biscuit Day.
  
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  August 5, 2023 10:25am
- Biscuit
  
  Ah, Nickc2, and here I was thinking it was Internet vs Biscuit Day.
  
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  August 5, 2023 10:25am
- Nickc2
  
  TKS Mod.
  
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  August 5, 2023 10:42am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/eyewitness-and-historian-mike-butler-gives-his-report-on-the-smashed-laptop-meeting-in-hastings/
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August 5, 2023 10:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Interesting about the Police. 30 minutes to get there when the Police Station is just across the road!
  
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  August 5, 2023 10:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  As this Stop Co-Governance movement progresses the protesters are starting to show their true Warrior intentions.
  The Treaty atm is a rogue Treaty, but they don’t want to go to the Treaty pre 1975 Wataingi Tribunal version. I think we all know why. The Gravy Train will stop.
  
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  August 5, 2023 10:29am
Ghost

Sounds factual to me

A top Gisborne scientist has retained the support of the council he represents despite posting vitriol about the government.

The posts were made using a social media account which at one point displayed his senior position at the organisation.….

The content dates back to at least November 2022 and includes an underlying theme of disdain for the current government.

It includes allegations the government is racist, radical, anti-democratic, and home to bullies and corrupt ministers.

Cave also claimed the Mongrel Mob was campaigning for Labour and called for an end to Three Waters, the Tenancy Tribunal, ute tax and a “bloated government”.

“Wish we had John Key now rather than the idiots currently in charge,” a 29 December post read.

Article
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August 5, 2023 10:21am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Here’s my comments on this article..sent to the Gisborne Herald this afternoon:
  
  How very disappointing to see the Gisborne Herald publishing such a one-sided hit-job on a hard-working, highly qualified public servant.
  
  I had to read 13 paragraphs into this article before I discovered that Dr Cave may not be the author of all the social media tweets that have been complained about by “some X (formerly Twitter) users”.
  
  It seems the Local Democracy Reporter has not directly asked Dr Cave about the tweets and has not asked Dr Cave to provide some balanced context for this article.
  
  Now I don’t know Dr Cave personally, but I am very familiar with his scientific publications and work on landslips in the Tairawhiti district and am also aware of some of the work and assistance he has been providing to locals affected by slips and forestry slash.
  
  I can’t help but think there is a political dimension to this hit job on Dr Cave.
  
  No-one knows the landscape and soil susceptibility of this region in such detail as Dr Cave. As such an authority he may well be a thorn in the side of folks who wish to carry on with the unsustainable land-use practices this unstable region has experienced.
  
  https://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/disquiet-from-some-at-gdc-scientists-posts
  
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  August 5, 2023 4:15pm
Tony Stuart

At the end of March 2023, the Minister and
Associate Minister of Health commissioned the
Hauora Māori Advisory Committee to undertake a high-level assessment of the early progress and plans of Te Aka Whai Ora (the Māori Health Authority) to ensure it is meeting expectations, commitments and priorities set by Cabinet. The committee’s final report was given to Minister Ayesha Verrall on 5 May 2023.

Dr Verrall then sat on the report, refusing repeated requests to release it. The report was finally released on Thursday afternoon; here it is:

https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/pages/230505i-hmac-report-final.pdf

You don’t have to be a brain surgeon to understand why Dr Verrall sat on this report for so long. It is absolutely damning, with criticisms of the MHA on almost every page. Dr Shane Reti has summed it up:

An independent report into the Māori Health Authority clearly shows the failures of more bureaucracy, National’s Health spokesperson Dr Shane Reti says.

“There was a reason the Health Minister Dr Ayesha Verrall left the damning Māori Health Authority report sitting on her desk for months and silently released it late yesterday – it’s revealed failure from all corners of this third health entity.

“Since the creation of the Māori Health Authority over a year ago, the report found no overarching plan for activities, timeframes, resources, accountability or performance.

“Labour’s bureaucratic health restructure has cost taxpayers half a billion dollars, and for there to be no plans or details for a whole year on how to better improve Māori health is shocking. No other public service would be allowed to operate like this.

“A further revelation is that the Māori Health Authority was transferring staff from Health NZ because of their ethnicity, instead of staff with the necessary skills and expertise.

“No one disputes that Māori health outcomes need to improve, but to take staff based on their ethnicity and not on the skills and talent they could bring to actually improve Māori health outcomes is quite simply appalling.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2308/S00037/damning-maori-health-authority-report-released.htm

Dr Reti has already promised that National
will disestablish the Māori Health Authority, and return responsibility for Maori health to the Minister of Health. He has reiterated that National will deliver health based on need first. That’s great news.
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August 5, 2023 10:23am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The way it should be.
  
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  August 5, 2023 11:57am
Maggie Pie

And not hard to figure out why these 3 troughers are getting round the place with sh!t-eating grins on their faces 😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/NewsroomNZ/status/1686275955969388545
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August 5, 2023 10:24am
- kevn
  
  Maggie… 3-5 Waters CEO employees. Should be a great addition to their CV’s.
  
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  August 5, 2023 10:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Their grins are correct.
  
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  August 5, 2023 11:59am
Maggy Wassilieff

It seems all our politicians are fairly happy with the laws that were rushed into play during the National Emergency during Covid-19.
There only seems to be mild criticism of the rushed and confusing nature of some secondary legislation (traffic lights/mandates)

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20230803_20230803_24

https://selectcommittees.parliament.nz/v/6/598a07f5-0ea1-49f1-8949-08db6d443690

I’ve no legal training, so find some of this constitutional stuff pretty abstruse….(happy for anyone to clarify my views).
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August 5, 2023 10:26am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Quite a lot of labour back patting about having the lowest COVID death rate in the world.
  
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  August 5, 2023 12:13pm
Observant Octagenarian

Interesting article on Stuff about the new head of the IPCC saying that 1.5 degree temperature rise “was not an existential threat to humanity”.
Link to article:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/300940630/new-global-climate-chief-accused-of-appearing-to-forget-pacific-islands
The NZ IPCC rep, Bronwyn Hayward said this was “hugely disappointing”.
I would have thought she would be rejoicing because the world wasn’t going to end.
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August 5, 2023 10:26am
- All_on_Red
  
  Global Boiling and the Klimate Krisis is a multi $ Trillion Industry.
  Of course she will be disappointed to see that come to an end.
  
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  August 5, 2023 2:02pm
Surely Knott

Young fair skinned man with irregular bone growth needing surgery is told ” he is “currently unable to be offered through Wellington Regional Hospital”.”

What does this mean? Do we still have public health care in NZ? Has this young man been prioritised off the list due to the racial equity adjustor?

“For the 14,209 orthopaedic patients who are accepted into the system, more than half have waited longer than four months for planned treatment, Te Whatu Ora confirmed.”

“It wants those who have waited longer than a year treated by the end of December, except for orthopaedic patients.

As of June 30, a total of 1662 orthopaedic patients had waited longer than a year for treatment.”

So what is the ethnic breakdown of those who are waiting longer. We are told some groups are waiting longer and it’s unequal and therefore there is race based priority. So they have a duty to either report the racial breakdown of those having long wait times.
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August 5, 2023 10:40am
rouppe

Is anyone else observing delays in rendering kiwiblog.co.nz content?

It seems to churn away for 20-30 seconds and then the content comes back.

Interestingly we had a similar issue at work last week, that came down to a domain controller upgrade that meant requests previously accepted on ports were no longer, and it taking that long for timeouts to allow fallback to an accepted port.

But anyhow… Seems to have been happening for 1-2 weeks…

[Mod – thanks, have passed on to DPF it’s sluggish as hell]
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August 5, 2023 10:40am
- Bridgenag
  
  hey…… maybe someone is watching and fixing ……spooks maybe
  
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  August 5, 2023 1:16pm
- kevn
  
  Prob a form of hacking going on…
  
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  August 5, 2023 6:42pm
Vinicius

Another government department stuff up….

Corrections has been dragged before The Employment Relations Authority for hiring a woman for a job that didn’t exist! They used an 11 year old job description.

Corrections has been ordered to pay $60,000 in compensation.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/department-of-corrections-hired-woman-for-role-that-didnt-exist-ordered-to-pay-60k/XEAXZGJL6NEZBJS46AEOP3OPW4/

I dread to think how many more cock-ups will the incoming National government discover once they take over the reins of power?
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August 5, 2023 10:51am
bjools

I agreed with every point he made.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-democracy-reporting/300943775/gisborne-councils-main-scientist-posts-antigovernment-views-on-social-media
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August 5, 2023 10:55am
Chuck Bird

Did anyone see David Seymour being interviewed on Newshub Nation? He did brilliantly and did not take crap from Simon whats his name.
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August 5, 2023 11:06am
Jack5

Now it’s “artificial intelligence” translation that’s a bone of contention for Maori-language advocates.

Kaipara council was planning to release a Maori-language report of its plan, translated from English by ChatGPT, and this has upset a councillor.

Councillor Pera Paniora said: “You can’t replace consultation with people, you know mana whenua, you cannot substitute that with artificial intelligence.”

Internet services such as YouTube are carrying frequent comments on how ChatGPT and Bing’s alternative can help people learn languages. It’s being praised for it’s high “interactivity” in this task, that is in the interaction it creates with the human user.

Allowing pupils and students to play with ChatGPT and Maori would very likely do far more for knowledge of the indigenous language, than all the force-feeding of it by State TV, Red Radio, and subsidised newspapers and web sites.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/kaipara-councillor-shocked-mayor-using-chatgpt-to-translate-annual-plan-to-maori/LEBWFJWH4JEI5IAHAF6ZZA7GXY/
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August 5, 2023 11:28am
ClanMcleod

Now why would Pfizer have a different batch of vaccines for their employees than for the general public?
Why not ask them?

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1687491460893908993?t=LF07XRa1RWi8F1iqLBQQ2A&s=19
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August 5, 2023 11:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You got a downtick. There must be a Pfizer employee on this blog.
  
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  August 5, 2023 12:05pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    In Germany there was a group given saline solution [ they didn’t know….control group] also other bloggers have pointed out that the jabs were not all equal…no consistency…
    
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    August 5, 2023 1:21pm
Pineapple Lumps

HAS FEMINISM AND GAY ACTIVISM BIRTHED THE TRANS MOVEMENT?

Listened to Jordan Peterson interview Kelly-Jay Keen – woman’s rights activist. I can’t help thinking that the Trans movement is actually the Frankensteins monster child of previous activist movements – in particular the feminist movement and the gay rights movement.

A good friend and strong feminist used to encourage us to bring up our children in a gender confused manner. Their feminist ideology led them to believe that differences between men and women were mainly due to nurture not nature. But this is no more true than saying a man who believes he is a woman is a woman! Men and women are different! It is also the feminist movement that has continually attacked male only spaces as symbols of the patriarchy eg pressuring Scouts and Men’s Clubs to include female members. Schools have become feminised and as a result our boys are growing up feminised. In their bid to rid the world of toxic masculinity the feminists have been destroying masculinity.

Then we have the gay movement. Not content with eliminating discrimination they have also fought to claim the religious institution of marriage – a man and woman bonded together under God. For this to include same sex relationships is as ideologically incomprehensible to a person with a religious view of marriage as it is to accept that a man – a person born with a penis – is a woman if that is how they see themselves.

K-J Keen as a woman’s rights activist is asking that woman’s only spaces be respected. A position I agree with. Unfortunately, with the damage done by the feminist movement, intent on destroying masculinity, there aren’t many protectors and defenders left to standup to the evil trans clowns.

Our world views shape the world we live in and it isn’t hard to see how one ideology spawns another. Unless we correct fundamental flaws in our ideology then we will continue to see them producing Frankensteins monsters. If you don’t want God in your world view then don’t be surprised when it is full of demons and devils!
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August 5, 2023 11:49am
ClanMcleod

Final conspiracy theory of the day, I’m off to golf.

It’s been shown that the more COVID shots you take, the more likely you’ll get infected.

That’s bad news because another study has found that if you contract COVID within 21 days post-shot, your stroke risk increases eight-fold.

https://twitter.com/VigilantFox/status/1687507933301547028?s=20

I’m sure Ayesha Verrall will be along momentarily to tell us this is misinformation and supply evidence to support her claim.
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August 5, 2023 11:53am
- kevn
  
  Clan… and still NZ mandates the jab. WTF planet are they/MOH on?
  
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  August 5, 2023 3:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

More activists.
These cattle roam on public land.

https://libertyresolve.com/biden-regime-guns-down-150-cattle-against-ranchers-wishes/
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August 5, 2023 12:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Kaipara councillor Pera Paniora is a shit stirrer. Mayor Craig Jepson is doing this to stop the bastardising of the English language.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/kaipara-councillor-shocked-mayor-using-chatgpt-to-translate-annual-plan-to-m%C4%81ori/ar-AA1eOovK
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August 5, 2023 12:11pm
Chris Nisbet

John Cadogan does from pretty good YT videos, but he deffo has some odd things to say about “Climate Change!”.
In this one, with supreme Aussie confidence, he claims that “Climate Change!” is “upon us”.
What does that even mean? Is he one of these people who disagrees with the IPCC and sees evidence of increasing/decreasing droughts/fires/rainfall (you name it) wherever he looks?
I’ve picked on him, but he’s not the only one. I really don’t get how otherwise sensible people make the leap from FF are warming the planet a bit to “‘Climate Change!’ is upon us! and it’s an emergency!”.
It’s pretty obvious to me that our policies allegedly designed to fight “Climate Change!” are far more of a problem than a wee bit of gentle warming spread out over many decades.
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August 5, 2023 12:31pm
emmess

Seymour gives Newshub a good beating
https://youtu.be/hThE13_zXWM
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August 5, 2023 1:00pm
- rouppe
  
  That interviewer…
  
  Every time Seymour breaks down his position he interrupts with “let’s move on”…
  
  Wanker
  
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  August 5, 2023 1:37pm
- Ruahine
  
  Did anyone spot the lie by the interviewer as to why Kiri Allen resigned from Parliament.
  
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  August 5, 2023 2:47pm
- lifesgood
  
  OMG. Well done David! And who is that incompetent, nitwit of a Labour shill interviewer? He was panicked and David completely owned him
  
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  August 5, 2023 3:33pm
- kowtow
  
  Excellent performance by Seymour .
  
  That twat Sheep Herder had no intention of eliciting information for the viewer and spent his whole , pathetic effort in trying to ambush and elicit a negative headline .
  Which is exactly what newshit has done.
  
  Well done David.
  
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  August 5, 2023 4:48pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

2025 is going to be a cracker.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-threatens-m-coming-day-233448930.html
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August 5, 2023 1:02pm
Maggie Pie

Talking to the owner of NW earlier…he was saying the uptick in sales of Rat Traps & Baits this week has been amazing!
He put it down to the number of morons who’ve been sucked into using those little ‘food-scrap-bins’ the council supplied.
No surprises there of course. Filthy germ ridden things.
Fortunately, no one near us is using them.
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August 5, 2023 1:34pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Talking to the owner of NW earlier…he was saying the uptick in sales of Rat Traps & Baits this week has been amazing!”
  
  I don’t believe that for a second 🙄
  
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  August 5, 2023 1:44pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Typical Chinaman. Always ready to accuse Westeners of lying 🙁
    
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    August 5, 2023 1:52pm
    - Swifty
      
      Nasty.
      
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      August 5, 2023 3:35pm
  - kevn
    
    @BY… Old Remmers is alive with rats. All that bush and old houses on big heavily planted sites. My in-laws lived there.
    Yep, the new rodent attractant bins would be working a treat.
    
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    August 5, 2023 3:06pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Down the disposal and send the scraps through the pipes I paid for.
  
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  August 5, 2023 1:49pm
  - rouppe
    
    Yeah, I’m not a great fan of that…
    
    The waste disposal will chop stuff up, but not liquidise it. It all goes to the waste water treatment plant where a significant proportion of the stuff you put down the sink has to be milliscreened out so the “soft” stuff can go through to the sedimentation tanks.
    
    Just adds load to the system that ends up being dumped in landfill anyway.
    
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    August 5, 2023 4:03pm
  - kevn
    
    SteveO… Money maker for plumbers.
    
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    August 5, 2023 7:02pm
- tf78
  
  Maggie the rats were out before the bins, they do it every year. Bait knocks them off very quickly.
  
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  August 5, 2023 6:41pm
Maggie Pie

Some say I always bang on about reprobates with neck tattoos.

Well looks like other people can be a bit judgey about tatts as well…..

https://twitter.com/JebraFaushay/status/1687440763104198656
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August 5, 2023 3:22pm
- kevn
  
  Maggie… Call centre job candidate. Just don’t frighten the children on the bus.
  
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  August 5, 2023 7:00pm
Swifty

I cannot express adequately my contempt for this behaviour:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/132679162/dick-smith-accused-of-trapping-people-in-149-membership-they-never-wanted

Anything other than ‘opt in’ for this sort of stuff is deliberate deception and bordering on theft in my view – all designed to separate the busy, the elderly, the poor of eyesight, the unwitting folk from their cash.

How many tens or hundreds of thousands have they bilked from New Zealanders with this underhand stuff?

Scumbags.
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August 5, 2023 3:33pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Is this going to happen in NZ? I am retired now and my vaccination status was not recorded by my employer. I was jabbed twice to comply with Herr Ardern’s silly passport. My employer did not give a fuck. He has had the normal vaccines that we all have, but no Covid vax, and he even rejects the flu vax! Never been sick in his life. I told him he was the carrier, the infected asymptomatic one. He laughed.
Anyway the Australian Govt wants employee Covid details to be destroyed. Why? really, why would they do this? Will the Australian Govt do the same?
Yo Hillary! yeah you Hillary. Your services are required. Delete this shit and leave no traces!

https://roccistuccishow.com/australian-employers-being-told-to-destroy-covid-19-data-on-employees/
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August 5, 2023 4:04pm
Maggie Pie

And if you’ve been concerned about ‘milkeys’ whereabouts….worry not.
He’s back among us but using a completely new pseud.
Anyone else picked up on it yet?
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August 5, 2023 4:27pm
Swifty

More white violence:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300943757/auckland-cbd-homicide-police-seek-dangerous-24yearold-dariush-talagi

Any comments Marama?
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August 5, 2023 4:53pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

2024 ELECTION
“We Will Re-litigate *Every Single Issue* in the 2020 Election,” Says Trump Attorney John Lauro.
4am deliveries. 250,000 filled out mail-in ballots transported from NJ to PA, and “erroneous code” being found on almost every Georgia county who’s system log files were analyzed. And that’s a few examples with many, many more documented.
Time for beers and whiskey.

https://finishtherace.com/ella-ford/we-will-re-litigate-every-single-issue-in-the-2020-election-says-trump-attorney-john-lauro/
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August 5, 2023 5:11pm
Chris Nisbet

Good God. I don’t know which is worse… The Disinformation Project for their twisted views, or One News for taking them seriously.
WTF was that article I just saw on One News tonight about Julian’s anti-co-governance booklet?
I’m pretty sure I don’t agree with everything Julian says, but there’s no way I could twist what he says into what TDP tell us he says. There’s some disinformation being spread alright, and I suspect my tax dollars are paying for it.
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August 5, 2023 6:27pm
- kowtow
  
  It’s great though.
  
  TV1 ,while trying to be all woke and pretending to defend democracy ( which is what Julian is actually doing) are giving him the Streisand effect being the lead item on their so called “news” , which is anything but.
  
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  August 5, 2023 7:49pm
Scooter

Another “isolated” incident.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/495215/auckland-police-launch-second-homicide-investigation-in-48-hours
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August 5, 2023 6:55pm
- mandk
  
  Take comfort Scooter, it could have been worse if the Government hadn’t confiscated all the guns …
  
  … no, wait
  
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  August 5, 2023 10:26pm
greybeard

Just watched the test match.
My opinion: T.Williams is overrated, also N.Laulala .Cane’s captaincy was non-existent in the first half, Damien McKenzie should be nowhere near an ABs team and should go and play league.
Great 2nd half when the experienced players came on.
Eddie won’t sleep much tonight !
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August 5, 2023 8:18pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Lau Layla is crap, but Williams was shafted by the reff, the Aussie guy dropped his shoulder a few times where Williams’s was penalised, Williams will be best coming off the bench for some time, next years team is going to ve extremely weak, and the first 5 is going to be a problem, he was shit today, and is too light
  
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  August 5, 2023 9:06pm
Scooter

Well I’m feeling assured the cops have this under control and central Auckland is a safe place where there’s hardly any chance of being hit by a stray bullet. The interview with the lead detective was cringe worthy and a waste of time, kept saying he can’t answer due to sensitivities and seemed to be pausing before answering, was he being fed answers in an ear piece?

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/auckland-queen-st-shooting-dariush-talagi-hunted-by-police-considered-dangerous/
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August 5, 2023 8:29pm
Dougal10

Does anyone know if labours taieri mp is still hooked up with the mob.
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