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Warren

Why would anyone that follows politics listen to the media when comes to what good for New Zealand especially leading up to a General Election.
The same politically corrupt Journalists and Reporters that want to make Jacinda Ardern our Former Prime Minister a cult hero and unbeatable in New Zealand politics are at it again as they try again to control the publis leading up to the 2023 Election.
They are determined to get their way again by going all out to have Labour and the Prime Minister Chris Hipkins Elected as the Government again in 2023, them have to have a imput in how New Zealand is run and what benefits them not New Zealand’s population.
Jessica Mutch McKay, Maiki Sherman ,
John Campbell, Simon Dellow, Jenna Lynch, Lloyd Burr all Labour Party Cyc’lops trying to have their influence and selfish views out there to help get the results as they managed with former Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern as they push for Chris Hipkins to be the Leader of the next Government, when really the only thing they have in common is they both have the traits of being compulsive liar’s.
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August 2, 2023 8:00am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Agreed, what ever happened to journalists being bi-partisan?
  The PIJF was like Red Bull, it gave them ‘wings’.
  Every news article now is a hit job as the country fold do these people not see that it is their future too?
  
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  August 2, 2023 8:09am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Journalists aren’t supposed to be anything-partisan. They should be neutral, which is very different from bipartisan.
    
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    August 2, 2023 10:30am
  - Piniwi
    
    Watching an interview of Chris Luxon on one ewes this morning conducted by somebody called Anna. Anna the advocate has the interview technic seen for some time if anybody wanted hear what the leader of the opposition has to say. She kept pressing with the sort of questions that follow the Labour narrative of the week as set down in the weekly briefing to compliant editors.
    
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    August 2, 2023 2:50pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The people have made up their minds, snd they are voting for change
  
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  August 2, 2023 8:15am
- Rusty
  
  @Warren
  
  Lets hope when National get into power that there is a big shake with the MSM.
  
  No more 50 million dollar govt (bribe) grants. The MSM pays their own way.
  
  Maybe then, we will see what the quality of journalism is in this country.
  
  Report facts, not biased opinions.
  
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  August 2, 2023 9:01am
  - GJM
    
    Natioanl need to recall the PJIF funding. They were a loan after all, so time to pay it back.
    After all, the governemnt is clawing back Covid grants, so there is previous examples, and the MSM supported them doing so so I am sure they will support it…
    
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    August 2, 2023 9:50am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I confidently predict there will be no “shake-up” of the media. They’ll rapidly and without comment pivot to start attacking the parties not doing so well, as they always do. here will be plenty of “where did it all go wrong for Labour” articles, which are actually starting to trickle out even now.
    
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    August 2, 2023 10:33am
- Prince
  
  The last poll I saw had Hipkins at 26% as preferred PM. That seems extraordinarily low for a sitting PM, with all the ‘Chris wows China’, ‘Chris the boy from the Hutt’, ‘Chris and Albo, Dream Team’ fanboy stuff from the media.
  Meanwhile Luxon is only 4 points behind, despite the ‘Luxon struggles with Media’ storyline.
  Speaking to people with only a passing interest in Politics, they see Hipkins as out of his depth, umming and ahhing his way through answers, making things up on the spot.
  
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  August 2, 2023 9:08am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He has polled at 23%, it’s quite possible Luxon will pass Hipkins
    
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    August 2, 2023 9:37am
- lastmanstanding
  
  I say the first job of the new National/ACT Government is to heal the racial divide that has developed over the past 6 years. Racism Seperatism aand Aparthied have no place in a multi cultural society. The Government must identify the racists and condemn them as Traitors and Haters and Wreckers to quote a former Prime Minister. There must be a binding referendum on the future of the Maori Seats with a vote for all regardless of race. This matter impacts ALL voters as it is symbol of racism and apartheid.
  It wont be easy for the new Government but unless it is done NZ will continue down the road to become the South Africa of the South Pacific.
  
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  August 2, 2023 9:10am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    And do you really think Māori will just twiddle their thumbs while all this happens?
    Luxon is not an idiot. He won’t do hardly any of what you suggest.
    
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    August 2, 2023 9:15am
    - Matt Long
      
      As you say Wayne, having been given a sniff of supremacism by Key’s government then slathered with it by the current clowns, Maori activists won’t peacefully walk away.
      Exhibit A, Julian Batchelor, Key well and truely opened Pandora’s Box.
      
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      August 2, 2023 9:25am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Wayne, whilst i appreciate your contribution your posts are long on skepticism / criticism and short on answers.
        
        What should Luxon do to eliminate absurd racial laws and division (none of which is helping the average Maori but it is making the Maori King’s family incredibly wealthy) to unite the nation?
        
        How do ACT successfully implement long term policies? Seymour’s self described achievements – dancing with the stars and the end of life bill – do not suggest a productive parliamentary career!
        
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        August 2, 2023 9:37am
      - Positan
        
        Matt, Julian Batchelor has done this country a tremendous service. All he has sought to convey at his meetings has been a full explanation of the actuality that led to the setting up and signing of the Treaty – nothing more. He has the documented evidence to present – which cannot be denied or remotely questioned, and that is what the “protestors,” who’ve been blatantly employing Goebbels-type denials of actuality, simply cannot argue against. In a word, they have nothing to contest. I say this because NOT ONE OF THEM has taken up Julian’s offer to debate him in public.
        It’s fascinating to note that the protestors, doubtless funded by wealthy settlement-rendered interests (because so many of them have been present at so many different meetings), have actually spurred many once-neutral persons to go and find out what Julian is on about.
        The conduct of the paid-for”protestors” has been utterly disgraceful, which is entirely because they don’t want the greater public who’ve past been sympathetic to Maori claims to find out the actuality of the utter rort they’re trying to perpetuate.
        
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        August 2, 2023 9:50am
      - Matt Long
        
        Position, the ugly scenes around Julian’s meetings and the disinformation from the Smearald are nothing to what will happen if a political party tries to do more than tinker around the edges of race based privilege.
        I would expect nation wide riots and concerted disinformation campaign by all the organs of regressivism.
        
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        August 2, 2023 10:33am
      - Yabster
        
        Wayne, whilst i appreciate your contribution your posts are long on skepticism / criticism and short on answers.
        
        Cmon Mark he’s an ex polly- answers are for losers and as is actually improving the country- its all about votes- stick to the centre- blah blah blah…
        
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        August 2, 2023 10:46am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Julian Batchelor will shove elite Maori and Labour in their corners, even though he is non political.
        
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        August 2, 2023 1:29pm
    - Local Miller
      
      And that’s why I doubt I’ll vote National after being a solid National/Act voter in all elections.
      
      If Maori do anything illegal they should be jailed. I left South Africa because I hated the racial divide that was and still is killing the country. I came to NZ because it was largely a country of racial harmony. Anyone disrupting society was dealt with based on the law. Now I’m starting to regret having come here as I see the same $#!t I saw in SA happening here, and again it’s the minority forcing their will on the majority, just like whites on blacks in SA. Except where the minority whites actually built infrastructure and developed the country, creating a first world country, the Maori (elite) are not building anything, they are more like the ANC, they want power for themselves and the wealth it will bring, not for the good of the WHOLE COUNTRY.
      If the Maori aren’t careful those with wealth and those generating wealth and taxable income will flee. Already 1 in 3 are planning on leaving, what will happen then? NZ will sink into 3rd world status as it’s the best and most productive who leave.
      People like me will leave. I came here 17+ years ago with a moderately good job, wife & 4 school age kids, a container of household stuff and $150,000. My kids are all now qualified and contributing to NZ, I own my house (mortgage free) have a 17m yacht and I’m 100% debt free.
      What will happen when people like us leave NZ?
      
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      August 2, 2023 9:41am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        So you’re going to vote Labour are you?
        
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        August 2, 2023 9:58am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        LM – Luxon has repeatedly stated that he believes that all Kiwis should enjoy the same standard of citizenship regardless of ethnicity. That includes both rights and responsibilities.
        
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        August 2, 2023 10:17am
      - kowloon
        
        that’s why I doubt I’ll vote National……..
        LM if you don’t vote 2 ticks National you will assisting the racial radicals who want NZ to be like the Sth Afr that you left behind
        
        What will happen when people like….
        LM your lovely house will become a welfare doss home; your boat will be given to a Mahuta family sibling; and your money will be frozen and confiscated.
        Sound similar to the fate of the country you left behind!
        
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        August 2, 2023 11:48am
      - cmm
        
        ” Luxon has repeatedly stated that he believes that all Kiwis should enjoy the same standard of citizenship regardless of ethnicity. That includes both rights and responsibilities.”
        
        Sure, talk is cheap. But has he said anything concrete. For example:
        * Will he abolish Maori seats (something that should have been done almost 150 years ago).
        * Will he abolish the cultural report bullshit?
        * Will he abolish the special dispensations for Maori going to universities?
        * Will he abolish special Maori tax rates?
        * Will he kick gangs in the nads and stop treating them like cultural organizations?
        * Will he abolish the Maori health system?
        *…
        
        Saying throw-away vacuous comments like “everyone should be treated the same” is pretty hollow unless you actually turn that into some actionable policy.
        
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        August 2, 2023 1:01pm
      - Observer of Life
        
        Tony: Yet so many (myself included) don’t believe a word he says around this. Once bitten (by the Nats – Key) twice shy.
        
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        August 2, 2023 1:07pm
      - cmm
        
        Local, like you I came from SA. One of the things that drew me to NZ was that it seemed to have all its racist shit sorted out and we had had enough of that in SA.
        
        We came out 31 years ago (actually 31 years ago tomorrow), we had around $25k, one 10 month old baby and about 1 cubic metre of belongings.
        
        At the time there wasn’t the internet etc, so the ability to research was very limited.
        
        While it would be stretching things to compare SA and NZ, there are certainly some elements of the track NZ is on that has similarities to SA.
        
        Both have made the mistake of putting race front and centre in government policy making. Both are losing skilled people hand over fist.
        
        I’m now over 60, but if I was 50 I think we’d probably be moving to Aus. But now it is too late. Our offspring are leaving for elsewhere – unlikely to come back.
        
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        August 2, 2023 1:08pm
    - lastmanstanding
      
      In that case Wayne look forward to living in the SA of the SP. Did you see the latest in SA. A stadium calling for White Farmers to be shot and burned. Dont say it couldnt happen here because history is full of people saying exactly the same thing.
      I say racial tension is rising and will only get worse. The Maori Party along with the Green Party and elements of the Labour Party are racist and apartheid by any definition. They dont support a colour blind multi cultural society. They want a society divided by race. We already have a situation where health professionals like my cancer Specialist have been told to treat Maori paitents ahead of non-Maori. He told me this himself. He told the Maori Health Authority he would be breaching the Hipporactic Oath and that the NZ Medical Council would remove his certificate if he did so.
      Go read Article 7 of the UN Declaration ot Human Right which this Government is a signatory and tell we why this isnt a breach of the Declaration. You cant because it is.
      
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      August 2, 2023 9:43am
      - cmm
        
        “They want a society divided by race.”
        
        THey don’t just want it. They have achieved it.
        
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        August 2, 2023 1:10pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Indeed, Labour have stirred the race hate pot, now we have to deal with the inevitable shit show that it will cause.
      
      Well played Ardern and Labour, undoubtedly the worst PM and government in history.
      
      I will support any measures that National and Act can do to overturn this. It will piss off the extremists, so be it. Any person, Maori or not, will understand that race based policies NEVER EVER worked anywhere in the world where they have been attempted.
      
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      August 2, 2023 9:57am
    - kowtow
      
      And yet the Wellington Beltway expected whole swathes of “identifiable minorities” to sit by idly and twiddle their thumbs while they were screwed over .
      
      Farmers
      Licenced Firearms Owners
      ICE vehicle owners
      Dairy owners
      Rate payers ( who own the water infrastructure)
      Women ( who’re being “gaslighted”)
      The “unvaxxed” .
      
      Etc
      
      But when it comes to one identified by ethnicity group , it’s ew er “hands orf”.
      
      Meanwhile democracy and the constitution get flushed down the shitter in their supposed interests , the rest of us , well not so much.
      
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      August 2, 2023 10:37am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Mark,
      Clearly the Treaty settlement process continues. There will be fair amount of self governance within the settlements, just in the Key administration.
      There will be a continuing increase in te reo, though perhaps not quite as emphatically pushed. Expect a similar level as present on radio and TV and the public service. Universities will as committed as they currently are, though I expect the Otago University medical admission will be moderated somewhat.
      The public service is not going to be much different than they currently are.
      There won’t be a referendum on the Treaty. The Māori seats will remain. As with Auckland there will be some specific Māori engagement in local government.
      In short, a moderated version of what is currently the case.
      
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      August 2, 2023 10:38am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Wayne,
        
        When you were an MP what was the most effective public feedback method?
        
        What can KBers who want solutions do to influence the government?
        
        I just sent the following email to Seymour and a derivation to Luxon…
        
        Hi David (Seymour), in every day life and on political blog sites, people are expressing real concerns which i understand are not electorally advantageous but must be investigated and addressed post the election if the next National/ACT government is to unite / repair our nation, enact long term successful change, and prevent another Labour party hierarchy from enriching themselves at the expense of the health and wealth of the nation.
        
        ACT’s challenge. Your only successful enduring policy (EOL) was backed by a referendum – why aren’t ACT advocating more referenda to combat Labour’s reversal of excellent policies (Charter schools) when they gain power?
        
        Issues:
        1. the cause of NZ’s horrific mortality rates post the covid jab rollout.
        
        2. NZs position as the only OECD country still promoting and administering the failed covid jab,
        
        3. revelations by Dr Mannich’s covid batch study that the NZ Government purchased and administered pfizer covid batches known to cause unacceptable, frequent, and DEADLY adverse events.
        
        4. Race based policies which appear to only benefit the Maori King’s family (TOW referendum will be the most nationally beneficial ACT policy if you can implement it)
        
        5. Labour Minister’s defrauding taxpayers by awarding lucrative government positions and contracts to family members (what we hear about is the tip of the iceberg).
        
        6. Jacinda’s mysterious wealth accumulation.
        
        any links you can provide which contain solutions to the issues listed above will be greatly appreciated.
        
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        August 2, 2023 10:54am
      - Matt Long
        
        That’s exactly my impression Wayne. A better managed progression in the same direction, with the clever use of moderate language to give the impression things are different.
        The principles of the treaty imbedded into all government departments and legislation.
        
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        August 2, 2023 11:07am
      - Cassandra
        
        What a recipe for a further slide into the 3rd world. I fear you’re right, Wayne Mapp, but with enough determination we might just get the boat to turn. When Doug Graham first touted settlements – the billion dollars – he spoke (to me and others) of avoiding blood in the streets. That process has gone much too far. And of course Maori troughers will be upset. But the 85% of us who are not Maori and do not share your view that somehow Maori have entitlements that others do not have now have to step up and put a stop to it. The National Party will eventually get the message.
        
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        August 2, 2023 1:00pm
      - NoFax
        
        So National will continue our slide to oblivion but will be a little more slow but maybe more competent. Not really an attractive option. This is the reason that despite the obvious awfulness of this government, National can’t get out of the low 30s.
        
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        August 2, 2023 2:08pm
      - mawm
        
        Mark – you know your points 1, 2 and 3 will be ignored by Seymour as he wilfully repeats the mantra that there are no deaths and vaccines are good. My question to him would be “what do the globalists’ hold over the politicians, left and right, of the 5 eyes countries? Is it the threat by those controlling our loans (WB and IMF) to increase the interest on or call in those loans thereby effectively bankrupting our countries?”
        
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        August 2, 2023 2:46pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        MAWN. it’s frustrating but never forget…. evil thrives when good men do nothing
        
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        August 2, 2023 4:26pm
    - BananaLlama
      
      He will do what he is told if he wants to stay above 30% of the vote.
      
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      August 2, 2023 12:46pm
    - Happy1
      
      Wayne back in the early eighties the trade union movement was all powered, at the end of this eighties they were gone. How did this amazing turnaround happen and without serious opposition? There is pushback and there is snapback. While the unionists knew they were pissing off a large section of the community and were expecting some pushback, the snapback blindsided them. After Tania Jones’s March down Queen Street it was all over rover. There was nothing they could do. They could stop pushing or even pull back a bit but things had reached a tipping point. They were sorry boys who were reaping what they had sown. I’m not sure that we are quite there yet with the treaty stuff but we are close. If Act surge to 25% we will be and the English version of the Treaty will be embedded.
      
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      August 2, 2023 1:46pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Wayne Mapp: “And do you really think Māori will just twiddle their thumbs while all this happens?”
      
      I don’t know. You tell us. Please do expand on what you mean. Which”Maori”? All? A few racist extremists with Maori hertiage? Who precisely are you talking about? What do you claim precisely that they will do? Please back yourself up with facts. You seem to be constantly telling us that we need to expect National to be spineless lackeys of the UN/WEF/assorted far left idiots and the unhinged woke mob. Really? Can you name anyone of importance in the current National party who endorses your comments on here?
      
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      August 3, 2023 1:31pm
  - sirknz
    
    To heal the racial divide, you would need to make it unprofitable for the race baiting grifters out there. They are making money off of paid media engagements and events.
    
    You would also need to convince their followers that they are not the victims and everything that happens to them is not the result of colonialism, racism, and the system being against them. Trying to change that mindset is very difficult as it is ‘easy’ to blame someone else for your failing.
    
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    August 2, 2023 9:20am
    - Piniwi
      
      Right sirknz it will be like trying to force butter up a porcupines bum on a hot needle. That is to say an impossible task but the challenge must be met. Most about money like the growth industry of cultural reports. But now the TMP have another plan: “Te Putty Māori would close down Oranga Tamariki care and protection residences and end its “worst practices such as uplifting mokopuna without whānau, hapū, iwi consent”.
      One billion dollars of Oranga Tamariki’s $1.5 billion of funding would be reallocated to the Mokopuna Māori Authority, and the Authority would be required to establish a partnership network with hapū, iwi and Māori organisations to “ensure mokopuna Māori remain connected to their whakapapa”.
      “We will shift power, funding, and workforce from Oranga Tamariki to an independent Mokopuna Māori Authority within a three-year timeframe. Yep a cut and paste as the native gibberish is a mystery however the important thing again is to follow the money as we see is necessary by the last sentence. Not just TMP but the natives in general are starting to understand that when Labour goes so does the massive flow of cash they have squeezed out of them for everything they could. Capped off with a $1billion vote buying bribe from the blow out budget. Tina Cocoa.
      
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      August 2, 2023 3:10pm
  - Colville
    
    If the Māori seats are taken from Māori it will be a festering sore that will kill New Zealand because it will be a cause to rally around for the disaffected.
    
    Te Triti all over again.
    
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    August 2, 2023 9:22am
  - AC
    
    Not sure getting rid of the Maori seats is a policy that will unite the nation.
    
    Agree that co-governance needs to be rolled back though. Even that is going to be tricky. A lot of grumpy people making a huge amount of noise.
    
    The current government has been very divisive and set us back in so many ways.
    
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    August 2, 2023 9:29am
    - cmm
      
      “Not sure getting rid of the Maori seats is a policy that will unite the nation.”
      
      Until that is done there is no way to unite the nation.
      
      How can you have people pull together when one group has a special interests body who’s sole reason for existing is to exploit the racial divide?
      
      The only justification for having Maori seats is to create a special interest group for Maori and the only way they can be relevant is to keep bribing Maori and giving special hand outs.
      
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      August 2, 2023 1:15pm
  - Phronesis
    
    Here’s how you do it.
    First give the media a hundred million dollars to spin government policy in the best possible way.
    Announce that for the first time in history all the peoples of NZ will be equal.
    Actually make everyone equal by banning discrimination on the basis of race by the Government and any entity receiving tax payer funds.
    Job done.
    
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    August 2, 2023 9:32am
    - sirknz
      
      Actually make everyone equal by banning discrimination on the basis of race by the Government and any entity receiving tax payer funds.
      ——————
      But that is racist because the people who don’t read or write good won’t get accepted to medical school…
      
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      August 2, 2023 11:48am
    - Piniwi
      
      It will fail at the starting line if such a policy ever even got a hearing. Since the “80’s and perhaps earlier preference was given to any vacancy that came through the old Department of Labour to be offered to female natives. Working on the Vacancies desk as a Temp Employment officer I gave up mentioning any new vacancies I solicited from local employers because that was the only criteria he was interested. So it became a mission to find good young people I found on file to send along for the vacancy. Get them in for a quick interview and give them a referral card and an interview time and the rest was up to them. Glide time was great and time credits enabled golf on a Thursday afternoon.
      
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      August 2, 2023 3:22pm
  - Grunter
    
    I totally agree – and ACT will be more singleminded on this than the Nats. If it is not fixed then we become a society that forever accepts the woke neo-racism that places Maori (however they are identified) as vulnerable victims, and the rest as people born with privilege and colonial guilt that must be penalised.
    
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    August 2, 2023 9:34am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Whether laws and government should treat people the same regardless of race is not a proper subject for a referendum. It is a fundamental human right. National/ACT should amend all legislation and government policy accordingly, as a matter of urgency once they take power. They won’t, of course.
    
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    August 2, 2023 11:36am
- lastmanstanding
  
  TV3 Poll on the 6pm news tonight. Cant wait to see the sad faces. Dont usually watch but will tonight. It will be popcorn time as they try and spin the facts that their favourite Left are going to take a big beating come Oct 14.
  
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  August 2, 2023 9:32am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Lynch said you won’t want to miss it, someone is going down
    
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    August 2, 2023 9:39am
  - Dougal10
    
    Listening to woods and tinniti on radio this morning they seemed happy, so I guess after 3 months tv3 have managed to manipulate a poll in labours favour.
    
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    August 2, 2023 10:31am
- Handyman
  
  They stand by their important role of the media in a democracy. It is their moral obligation, without fear or favour, to hold the opposition to account.
  
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  August 2, 2023 10:08am
- Stephen Russell
  
  Nonsense. The media are not selfish in promoting Labour/Greens/TPM. They are being completely selfless. The are promoting these people because they genuinely believe that they will be best for New Zealand. Idiots.
  
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  August 2, 2023 1:12pm
cas

I see the Government’s media training is going well. In question time yesterday, faced with difficult questions, Woods and I think Tinetti tried to divert by saying “what I can say” and then going on and on about something irrelevant.
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August 2, 2023 8:03am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Question time has become a joke and is largely irrelevant IMO. The opposition are supposed to be able to hold the government to account, but this government either cannot or will not answer the questions. Grant Robertson waffling on about beetroots and how some relative used to eat them and trying to be humorous is just a complete waste of time.
  
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  August 2, 2023 10:40am
  - Flossie
    
    Sometimes I think Robertson is practising for his post parliament career as a comedian. That career is doomed to fail too.
    
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    August 2, 2023 11:28am
  - Piniwi
    
    Right Bobba Fret he tries hard to be a funny Fat Controller but it will be hard for him when that is all he has and his day job has disappeared. The stand in Speaker has proven to be another contender for Worst Speaker yet as he lets the House turn into chaos then rebukes any point of order or challenge.
    
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    August 2, 2023 3:29pm
slightlyrighty

3 News has their Reid Research poll out tonight.

However, this is the first time I have seen them spruiking it on their Breakfast News show.

If they’re talking it up now, I wonder why? Obviously it’s close to the election, but could it also be quite a good or bad poll for one or more of the parties?

Also, I looked back to the polling for the 2020 election, and the polling companies that were closest for the main parties was Roy Morgan and Reid Research
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August 2, 2023 8:07am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Morgan was closest, but they polled the greens at 14% most of the year and they got 5%, quite possible all these smaller parties they said were all going strong yesterday infact are not
  
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  August 2, 2023 9:43am
  - peterwn
    
    Wondering about that. Perhaps some people polled support smaller parties when responding to pollsters then want to play safe when actually voting.
    
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    August 2, 2023 10:23am
    - Piniwi
      
      Right peterwn if it truly is a random poll then we might well expect some respondents to tell them anything but the truth (the Labour way) as a sort Foxtrot Oscar alternative. Like the loaded questions they use to get their desired result from addition polls they do with voter polls.
      
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      August 2, 2023 3:35pm
  - Stephen Russell
    
    The Greens got 7.9% in 2020.
    
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    August 2, 2023 1:14pm
- thirteenstars
  
  If TV3 are talking it up then it can’t be bad news for their side.
  
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  August 2, 2023 9:48am
  - greybeard
    
    It will be Winston.
    
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    August 2, 2023 9:52am
  - Philview
    
    I think if it really a credible poll then there would be zero chance of Labour improving their position. It might show a soaring TPM poll result. Surely centrist voters would shift away from an extreme Left Government.
    
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    August 2, 2023 11:11am
Maggie Pie

This is how REAL MEN behave…..

https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1685981788957442048

[Mod – check your link Maggie]
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August 2, 2023 8:07am
- JimBobJoe
  
  that is hilarious… I was kinda hoping he was going into the crowd of journos to deal some slap down
  
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  August 2, 2023 8:41am
- mandk
  
  Judging by the upticks, others have been able to see, it, but when I try the link the message is that it doesn’t exist.
  
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  August 2, 2023 9:03am
- Maggie Pie
  
  YIP…link all good at my end. Such a hoot 😀
  
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  August 2, 2023 9:55am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Only works when I have signed into my Twitter.
  
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  August 2, 2023 10:54am
Matt Long

Inspiring song about empowering people of colour and decolonisation in SA
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1686025436667518976
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August 2, 2023 8:08am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Malema is on record after the fact stating he never sang “Kill the Boer”, he was singing “Love the Boer”…Tui anyone?
  
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  August 2, 2023 8:12am
- Nickc2
  
  Written by Willie Jackson,
  Directed by Nanaia Mahuta,
  Performed by Kelvin Davis, and
  Sponsored by Mahuta Corp in consultation with the NZ Govt. //
  
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  August 2, 2023 8:34am
- wilderbeast
  
  I wonder what Mandela would make of this? The western media is conspicuously quiet on the failure of the South African state.
  
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  August 2, 2023 9:31am
  - sirknz
    
    Mandela? That guy who used to put landmines on tracks used by people herding their cows and was basically a terrorist in the modern parlance?
    
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    August 2, 2023 12:05pm
- Inandout
  
  ML, I wonder if Marxist Minto goes along with this?
  https://www.infometrics.co.nz/article/2008-02-rugby-poverty-apartheid-and-minto
  
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  August 2, 2023 9:57am
  - Matt Long
    
    Given his fanatical antisemitism I would say his views on white farmers would be the same.
    
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    August 2, 2023 11:11am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

A rare ‘Tiehm’s buckwheat’ flower is more important than Lithium.
Joe is closing all sorts of sorts of things to cripple America.

This morning on play school TV1 news they mention a poll which has Biden and Trump neck and neck. Must be CNN.

https://patriotsnewsstand.com/uniondailypost/biden-shuts-down-lithium-mining-constantly-makes-america-more-dependent-on-china/
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August 2, 2023 8:14am
- Hard Cheese
  
  You should be getting your news from reputable sources, even the very first sentence in that article is wrong. China does not “control 70% of the world’s lithium production”, more than 3/4 of it comes from Australia and Chile. Conversion and battery manufacture is currently dominated by the Chinese, but it’s a very long way (8-10 years minimum) from Rover getting an approved exploration permit to actual production – they haven’t even drilled yet, much less confirmed lithium is there in economically recoverable quantities. Extracting lithium from clay is difficult and very environmentally unfriendly – you need large quantities of water and sulfuric acid – the BLM are simply doing the same due diligence they did with LAC’s project at Thacker Pass (which did eventually get approved).
  
  Anyway, “Biden shuts down Lithium Mining & Constantly Makes America More Dependent on China” is just rubbish, screw this one up and put it in the bin.
  
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  August 2, 2023 8:58am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I did not see the MSNBC bit.
    Biden is corrupt. 10% for the big guy. Here is another link. They can’t be all rubbish.
    
    https://defconnews.com/2023/07/24/the-obiden-regime-continues-to-shut-down-lithium-mining-and-is-making-the-u-s-dependent-on-china-10-for-the-big-guy/
    
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    August 2, 2023 11:04am
    - Hard Cheese
      
      FFS, defconnews.com! It’s exactly the same content as in that other article, and yes, it is the same rubbish.
      
      If you’re very very lucky, hard rock lithium mining in a jurisdiction that has relatively efficient approval processes (e.g. Australia) will take you 5-6 years from exploration to production – but more likely 8-10 years. Extracting lithium from clay in the US or Canada I’d be very surprised if you were anywhere near production in 10 years, and these guys haven’t even got a drill hole in the ground yet.
      
      The US aren’t dependent on China for lithium, they go to Australia and Chile and get it. China get most of their lithium from the same place! The idea that some small, unproven lithium clay deposit in the middle of Nevada is somehow making the US dependent on China is laughable.
      
      In fact the US is becoming *less* reliant on China in the lithium-ion battery chain as a result of the Inflation Reduction Act, which actively encourages local US investment and material supply from countries with which it has free trade agreements, and was passed by the Biden administration. So not only are those articles incorrect, in reality the opposite is true.
      
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      August 2, 2023 11:51am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        What ever you say. China is in donkey deep, even in NZ industries.
        
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        August 2, 2023 3:12pm
      - Hard Cheese
        
        China is in donkey deep everywhere, true. But that doesn’t make the article from the tinfoil hat brigade at patriotnewsstand.com (LOL) any less idiotic. There may be many things Biden is responsible for, but blocking lithium mining is not one of them.
        
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        August 2, 2023 4:09pm
  - cmm
    
    ” China does not “control 70% of the world’s lithium production”, more than 3/4 of it comes from Australia and Chile. ”
    
    Actually, China does control all the major lithium operations in Chile. Chinese companies have bought the mining rights and are running the extraction and have sewn up the supply lines.
    
    So sure, those deposits might physically be in Chile, but they are definitely under Chinese control.
    
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    August 2, 2023 1:20pm
    - Hard Cheese
      
      Actually, China does control all the major lithium operations in Chile. Chinese companies have bought the mining rights and are running the extraction and have sewn up the supply lines.
      
      This is not remotely true either. SQM and Albemarle are the only two lithium producers in Chile. Albemarle is US owned. SQM is Chilean owned and only under “Chinese control” to the extent that Tianqi is a ~25% shareholder in SQM. Now, Chinese companies may have offtake agreements with SQM and Albemarle (I don’t know), but they’re simply supply contracts with expiry dates – very different than “bought the mining rights”
      
      In any case, the Chilean government have said they’re nationalising the lithium industry, so in no way is Chilean lithium “under Chinese control”
      
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      August 2, 2023 1:56pm
- Stephen Russell
  
  New York Times / Siena College poll. Biden and Trump at 43% each. Consistent with other polls out there. RCP average has Biden 44.9 to Trump 44.0. Some have Biden ahead, some Trump. Note that the Electoral College system means that this is not the full picture. Trump had a large advantage in the College in the past two elections, and could easily win that even if Biden got more votes.
  
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  August 2, 2023 1:27pm
Matt Long

Ever wondered why the ultra rich are supporting defund the police in the US?
For money of course, to promote their private security firms.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/ebay-billionaire-supported-defund-police-movement-poised-cash-private-security-investments
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August 2, 2023 8:14am
- peterwn
  
  And the next stage is to get the security guards sworn in as honorary police officers so they have police powers.
  
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  August 2, 2023 8:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Defund the Police Redneck style.
  https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LLEp79UDyOU
  
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  August 2, 2023 9:03am
Paulus

The Labour media are gearing up already to try and take and denigrate the incoming National/Act Government.
They will do anything to try and destabilise them but may not find it quite so easy.
Don’t forget Tova is back in that league too.
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August 2, 2023 8:15am
Matt Long

Winston Peters has ruled out forming a government with Labour, period.
https://twitter.com/winstonpeters/status/1685864578687836160
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August 2, 2023 8:19am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Don’t believe him.
  
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  August 2, 2023 8:23am
  - Matt Long
    
    If Peter’s broke his word about this he would need to face the probability of an angry mob , and full time security around his house and person.
    
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    August 2, 2023 8:25am
    - pdm
      
      Matt – I still say it will all depend on the baubles offered after the election. Baubles will definitely out weigh politcal expediency with Winston.
      
      So saying now that he will not go with Labour is nothing more than `an end to a means’.
      
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      August 2, 2023 8:55am
      - Matt Long
        
        Of course he cannot be trusted, he is a politician as are others people are considering voting for.
        
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        August 2, 2023 9:01am
      - RoboRob
        
        @Matt
        
        Winston is the least trustworthy of all politicians in my life time.
        
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        August 2, 2023 9:10am
      - mw
        
        Ok Winston, what do you want.. with little finger to mouth – “1 Billion dollars!”
        
        Someone mentions to him things have changed, 1 Billion is nothing these days..
        
        Winston: “10 Billions dollars!”
        
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        August 2, 2023 9:21am
    - RoboRob
      
      If he gets in he will want all the baubles he can get (as normal). Whatever promise you think you heard him make will quickly be ignored / re worded if required.
      
      History has proven time after time, that Winston breaking is promises has zero effect on people (like you) believing him again and wanting to vote for hiim again. Why wuold one trust anything that Winston says?
      
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      August 2, 2023 9:09am
      - Piniwi
        
        He could be a total disruptive power in the House if he decided to sit on the cross benches. But lets hope enough voters understand it was him that made the countries sorry situation possible by anointing the SLG in the first place out of pure malice. A vote for Winston first is another vote for chaos.
        
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        August 2, 2023 3:43pm
    - Colville
      
      The same angry mob that should have lynched him in 2017?
      
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      August 2, 2023 9:24am
      - Matt Long
        
        He had not ruled out working with Labour at that time, at every other election he has refused to give a preference.
        
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        August 2, 2023 9:29am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Matt, prior to the 2017 election outcome, he gave every impression he would go with the party with the largest popular vote. He didn’t.
        
        He also prior to the 2017 election filled court summons against National Party politicians in pursuit of his fallicious witch hunt regarding his erroneous Super application.
        
        IMO, a man not to be trusted
        
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        August 2, 2023 10:33am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      And he didn’t after shafting the voters in 2017?
      
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      August 2, 2023 9:45am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      He ruled out having greens in government, what did he say, over my dead body, to put Cindy there he had to have the greens, so yes he did rule out what happened in 2017
      
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      August 2, 2023 9:47am
      - Matt Long
        
        That’s true
        
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        August 2, 2023 10:41am
    - Ehlana
      
      Hasn’t Peters done that before? IIRC, a few elections back, he campaigned on not going into coalition with National – and then he did.
      
      Followed by the disgraceful conduct when he made the leaders of the Parties wait to find out at a press conference who he had chosen.
      
      And then went with Ardern’s Labour Party, ushering in policies that had not been put to the electorate (like co-governance) and the most abysmal performance by a New Zealand government since records began.
      
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      August 2, 2023 12:16pm
  - mandk
    
    Quite.
    
    If there was an inconclusive election result, Peters would do whatever gave him the greatest importance and prominence.
    
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    August 2, 2023 8:39am
  - Vinicius
    
    Cannot remember the last time I believed anything that old Minotaur Peters said.
    
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    August 2, 2023 9:10am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    He won’t do it this time.
    
    What National/Act supporters need to focus on is why their parties aren’t removing the covid oxygen from him. This will be his bump to 5% if National and Act continue to play this idiotic ‘nothing happened, make it go away’ policy over the shit of the last 3 years.
    
    Here’s Peter’s latest on Twitter.
    
    https://twitter.com/winstonpeters/status/1686472729384583172?s=20
    
    Like it or not, those people who were damaged by the policies implemented are looking for this sort of response from a political party.
    
    They aren’t interested in those pretending nothing happened and telling them to “just shut up and vote for us”.
    
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    August 2, 2023 10:09am
    - 2ic
      
      The latest Roy Morgan poll has NZ First at 5% already. They will go much higher as the ‘freedom community’ comes to the realisation that NZ First are the only party that has a chance to make it into parliament that will represent them.
      
      Yes, Winston Peters does have a chequered history, but with National and Act steadfastly refusing to acknowledge the harms caused by the Covid response and vaccine mandates, he’s really the only chance for this dark stain on our nation’s history to be addressed.
      
      I voted Act last election and National for the previous 8 elections, but I could never vote for them again while they keep their heads in the sand over this.
      
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      August 2, 2023 1:58pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        A vote for Winnie is likely a vote for Labour.
        
        Hold your nose and do the Right thing.
        
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        August 2, 2023 7:39pm
- Matt Long
  
  There’s a question I’ve asked a few times on this blog but never gotten an answer;
  When John Key was casting about for reasons not to reform the RMA, the last being that Dunne would not allow him to, it is said Peters offered to give Key the numbers if he would remove all references to the Treaty of Waitangi from the RMA, and Key refused.
  Surely someone can confirm or refute this?
  
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  August 2, 2023 8:23am
  - rockape
    
    Can you Otis it something you made up. It your post why do you w.need others to give it credibility?
    
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    August 2, 2023 8:27am
    - Matt Long
      
      Because I want to know if it is true or not.
      
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      August 2, 2023 8:36am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Matt Long – and National supporters’ hatred of Peters is so intense, the last thing they want is anything positive being said about him.
        
        I’m getting to the stage I was at with ‘fact checkers’ during covid. The more they attack something, the more it interests me and gets my attention.
        
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        August 2, 2023 10:19am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Nobody can “refute” it. I mean, I can swear under oath that I never heard Key say that, and so can billions of other people, but that still wouldn’t prove that it never happened.
    
    As for verification, why can’t you do it yourself? You’re the one who claims that “this is said”, why not ask the person who said it? Or tell us who it was, maybe there’s somebody here who knows them and can ask.
    
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    August 2, 2023 8:40am
    - Matt Long
      
      I thought someone on 5he blog would have inside information, obviously Peters’ version could not be trusted.
      Who in Key’s government would know the truth and share it?
      
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      August 2, 2023 11:15am
      - Observer of Life
        
        Matt: Wayne Mapp?
        
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        August 2, 2023 10:04pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Matt: The claim is nonsense, because between 2008 and 2011, NZ First wasn’t in parliament, so Peters couldn’t offer anything.
    
    In my view one of the most courageous things Key ever did was to publicly pledge well prior to the 2008 election that he would never form a government with Peters in it. Luxon should do the same – but I very much doubt he will. Luxon is no John Key.
    
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    August 2, 2023 9:05am
    - Matt Long
      
      I agreed with Key’s stance on Peter’s too, however in 2008 – 2011 didn’t ACT and National have the numbers to reform the RMA by themselves?
      
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      August 2, 2023 9:11am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Yes, snd ACT refused, yet they are the hero’s here
        
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        August 2, 2023 9:49am
      - Matt Long
        
        Did they G, I hadn’t heard that.
        
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        August 2, 2023 10:02am
    - Colville
      
      DG.
      Do you know ACTs stance on forming a govt with Winston??
      
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      August 2, 2023 9:25am
  - RoboRob
    
    Its absolute BS. If Winston wanted the treaty gone from the RMA (or Maori seats gone as he has previously promised) he could have done so when he signed up to support JA. Instead he negotiated a slush fund for NZF (provincial growth fund) to use for re election.
    
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    August 2, 2023 9:13am
  - Notsofast
    
    It is hard to fathom why people can’t see that this time is different.
    New Zealand First
    Not Aotearoa/New Zealand first.
    His voting base are exactly those people who will never embrace Maorification of language and education, gender ideology, co governance and so on.
    If people want certainty of a voice for the truly liberal values his voters fought for, why be so cynical?
    This is all just common sense, regardless of whether people like his message. It is impossible to see the 5% not being reached, so welcome to a political reality.
    For better or worse.
    
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    August 2, 2023 9:47am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Exactly. Their are huge vacuums in the areas you have identified. Winston is exploiting them, it’s what politicians do. With this and his recent comments about covid he will easily hit 5%, like it or not.
      
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      August 2, 2023 10:24am
    - Notsofast
      
      Yep, and exploiting being a perjorative word is arguably not accurate. Also he is the only legitimate voice to roll back the machine. I wonder how many people truly embrace the European named Maori dragging around up to 5 tribal affiliations after their names with the enthusiasm of NZH and Stuff, and wonder about the tribal affiliations of the gunman who is decreed tribally homeless. Who owns him?There are countless irritants for perfectly reasonable people who long for efficiency and speed of communication.
      Luxon is captured by the Telecom and Vodaphone type pr machines with a thundering silence.
      
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      August 2, 2023 10:35am
      - septic skeptic
        
        IF Winston, Shane and the rest hold the balance of power – covid issues and co-governance will be traded for baubles and a slush fund.
        
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        August 2, 2023 11:04am
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        FFS he is a bald-faced liar who will say anything for votes. Of course he will try to figure out what you want to hear and tell you it. If you let that persuade you to give him your vote then you are extremely gullible.
        
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        August 2, 2023 11:39am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Nigel Kearney – it’s nothing to do with ‘what I want to hear’.
        
        I want some acknowledgment of the abuse meted out to so many good NZers who did nothing wrong. I’m pointing out to those who refuse to hear, that they have given Peters the window to piss on their parade.
        They don’t like hearing this, so resort to hissy fits and shrieking replies.
        
        I don’t particularly like Winston. But then, I don’t particularly like any of the politicians in parliament, all 121 of them, who refuse to even admit something bad happened in the last 3 years.
        
        I have no idea who will get my vote. It certainly won’t go anywhere near Labour, Greens, Maori Party. Not a chance. Other than that? We’ll see how the next couple of months go and who says what.
        
        All politicians appear to be consummate liars. Peters might be the biggest, but I don’t know of one who I would trust as far as I could throw them. If National permit him to get back into parliament they only have themselves to blame.
        
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        August 2, 2023 12:36pm
    - RoboRob
      
      Wow so many people on this site suddenly rushing to support Peters. Its 2017 all over again.
      
      ‘This time its different’….. WTF. Every election is different, the things that dont change are the politicians involved. Winston has a massive history of being untrustworthy and dishonest. Why are people on here shilling for him? Are you on the NZF payroll like Cameron Slater and Whale Oil were in 2017?
      
      In 2017 Whale oil was telling people that Winstons base were right wing voters unhappy with National and wanting to drag National to the right. How exactly did that pan out again? Now your telling us his base are against Woke ideology and Maori stuff. Pull the other one, his vote has been growing at the expense of Labour.
      
      The NZF base are all about one NZ and against Maorification etc. Winston has supposedly been against that his entire career, when has he ever done a single thing to acheive that? In 2017 he picked Labour and the Greens, he was part of the co governance government. He now claims that Labour did that in secret and he never knew. Cut the bs.
      
      This is so much like ground hog day. People posting positive comments on Winston and arguing that negative comments against him are political attacks. Again, people claiming that we need Winston, what exactly has he ever done to back up his words? Hows that removing Maori seats policy going?
      
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      August 2, 2023 11:00am
      - Notsofast
        
        Think of this as a language war and who you can imagine saying what they mean.
        There are new words like tiriti, nonbinary, nonwoman, and old words like woman, puberty, sterilization, lesbian, pronoun.
        Acronyms, Terf, DEI,
        People, Kathleen Stock, Helen Joyce, Sue Bagshaw, Jan Rivers.
        Everyone has a ship to steer.
        
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        August 2, 2023 11:32am
- john1234
  
  You’d have to be an idiot to believe a single word Winston says.
  He’s lied in the past. Why would you think he’s not lying now and not going to lie in the future?
  Character. It doesn’t change.
  
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  August 2, 2023 8:25am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    A politician who lied, can you believe it??? //
    
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    August 2, 2023 10:25am
    - septic skeptic
      
      Winston is on another level.
      
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      August 2, 2023 11:06am
      - Clownworld
        
        Same level as David Seymour. All reprobates under different guises.
        
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        August 3, 2023 9:47am
  - 2ic
    
    Why are lies coming from Winston Peters any worse than those from than David Seymour and Christopher Luxon?
    
    Seymour tried to claim New Zealand had reduced mortality over the pandemic. Luxon pretended not to know anything about the World Economic Forum. Either these are lies or demonstrations of stupidity – either way they make them unfit to represent me in parliament.
    
    Will Peters deliver on his promise of a “full, independent inquiry into the Covid-19 pandemic response”? I don’t know – but what I do know is we will certainly get nothing from Seymour or Luxon.
    
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    August 2, 2023 3:36pm
    - Clownworld
      
      Your last paragraph sums it up nicely!
      
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      August 3, 2023 9:48am
- John Loveridge
  
  Winston should be wondering why he is struggling to get the New Zealand public to trust him.
  
  I just don’t believe a word he says.
  
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  August 2, 2023 8:29am
  - peterwn
    
    Judging from a poll that has him at 5% some people either believe him or have short memories.
    
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    August 2, 2023 10:32am
    - Ghost
      
      Their memories remember very well how they were treated the past few years and how the opposition did nothing. Peter’s is getting the protest vote
      
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      August 2, 2023 10:35am
      - Matt Long
        
        Speaking of short memories, who remembers Luxon standing with Arden and being thanked by Mallard for depersoning the freedom convoy?
        Only a year ago.
        
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        August 2, 2023 10:48am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Boom!
        
        You got it Ghost, why do so many National and Act supporters fail to see this? Or are they just crossing their fingers and toes and hoping it will all just go away?
        
        It beggars belief that the only response is bile and vitriol. The fix is easy, but admitting they got the covid response badly wrong seems to be a bridge too far for them.
        
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        August 2, 2023 11:46am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        @Matt Long – see? You’ve upset the diehards again, stop reminding people about who did and said what!! We’re trying to forget around here!! The memory hole machine isn’t working!!
        
        Pffftt.
        
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        August 2, 2023 12:41pm
    - RoboRob
      
      Those people are, in large, Labour voters looking for somewhere not National to put their votes.
      
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      August 2, 2023 11:04am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        No they aren’t. They are from every part of the spectrum of people that make up NZ, they fully represent the country.
        
        As Ghost said, it is a substantial number of NZers who were abused by their government and it was abuse fully supported by National and Act. If National or Act could bring themselves to make the same comments as Peters, they would get those votes in an instant.
        
        The people negatively affected by covid know full well who was responsible, they also know who wanted more done to increase vaccine uptake.
        
        This is beyond party affiliations.
        
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        August 2, 2023 11:53am
      - RoboRob
        
        @ClanMcleod
        
        Yes they haev members from accross the spectrum. No Covid ‘refugees’ aren’t the main driver behind their surge in popularity. Only in the last year has Winston first surged, at the same time as Labour has slumped.
        
        You and many others might be voting for Winston becuase he showed up at a protest and said some words, but dont assume thats the driving force behind his 5% at the moment.
        
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        August 2, 2023 1:28pm
      - 2ic
        
        @RoboRob
        That’s not correct. The Platform conducted a survey of the parliamentary protestors about how they voted in the 2020 election:
        Labour: 29.8%
        Green: 16%
        National: 15.9%
        Act: 11.9%
        Considering Labour got around 50% of the vote in 2020, they were greatly under-represented at the parliamentary protest.
        
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        August 2, 2023 3:46pm
    - Clownworld
      
      It all comes down to the alternatives…the field is barren and bare of anyone with integrity. Now everyone is forced to choose a bitter cup.
      
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      August 3, 2023 9:49am
- Hacked-Off
  
  The issue I have Matt is I don’t trust the media and I don’t trust Peters. Come 15 October, and if the Winston First Party is in Parliament then just watch as Labour offers Peters baubles to stroke his ego, irrespective of his promises prior to 14 October.
  
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  August 2, 2023 8:34am
- Libertarians are right
  
  That doesn’t mean he won’t go into confidence and supply, allowing them to govern and milking them for every policy they want.
  
  Winston will do what’s best for Winston and right now it’s saying he won’t go with Labour.
  
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  August 2, 2023 8:39am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He said in this form
  
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  August 2, 2023 8:44am
- I remember when
  
  Was it because you have to be elected first?
  
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  August 2, 2023 8:57am
- David Garrett
  
  Matt: Anyone who believes that – or in fact virtually anything Peters says, is a fool.
  
  The man couldn’t lie straight in bed.
  
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  August 2, 2023 8:58am
  - Matt Long
    
    I do not believe it to be true, I do not believe it not to be true.
    It does line up with what I believe to be true of Key’s government.
    
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    August 2, 2023 9:03am
    - RoboRob
      
      If it is true, then Winston cares so little about the country he would block reform of the RMA over the treaty clauses. Better to have a reformed RMA with the ‘bad’ treaty bits than a shit RMA with the ‘bad’ treaty bits.
      
      If it is false, he was lying to make political capital and excuse himself for not supporting RMA changes when he could have.
      
      Personally I found Key to be (sadly) politically driven rather than always doing what was best for the country (he should have removed WFF rather than just pausing its growth for example). So I could believe he might want to keep the treaty stuff in as you imply. However I also found key to be one of the most trustworthy of any politician, if he said a thing it was generally true and if he said he was going to do a thing he generally did. I would believe Key over Winston anyday. That said I would also believe JA or Hipkins over Winston and they are bald faced liers.
      
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      August 2, 2023 9:18am
  - Biscuit
    
    David, I thought of Peters whilst watching the Rugby on Saturday.
    
    Winston and Eddie Jones both have the same ‘I can say – or stuff up – anything. They can never really hold me to account’ shit-eating grin.
    
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    August 2, 2023 9:17am
  - mogg
    
    Two things, MMP encourages and rewards liars.
    When compared to Ardern & Hipkins and co,
    old Rasputin’s lies pale into insignificance. There will be a big protest vote this time, many older people are pissed off about Maorification of everything. Peters will do whatever it takes to win their vote, with this current situation the door is wide open for him to stroll back into parliament.
    
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    August 2, 2023 11:14am
- surfing
  
  I was once tricked by Winston Peters.
  
  Never again.
  
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  August 2, 2023 9:11am
- Notsofast
  
  Here is what he said to Heather
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/winston-peters-nz-first-leader-rules-out-coalition-with-labour-after-the-election/
  
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  August 2, 2023 9:30am
- hullkiwi
  
  Matt,
  
  I accept what Peters has posted on Twitter. Further to the piece that HDPA did at 4.55pm yesterday, Peters was then later on her show repeating what was in his Twitter post.
  
  There is an interview between HDPA and Peters in which he states he will not go with Labour.
  
  But how did Peters get to this position? It was all because of the clever way he answered questions following the NZF conference as to which way Peters will jump if he is in a position to negotiate forming a government.
  
  In short, he gave a changed position, back tracking from what he said a week earlier, and it was reminiscent of 2017. My opinion is, as usual you can only trust Peters to do the right thing for Winston Peters.
  
  Therefore, I would never trust him under any circumstances.
  
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  August 2, 2023 10:24am
- Stephen Russell
  
  “New Zealand First will not be forming a government with the Labour Party. Period.”
  Doesn’t stop him supporting Labour from the cross-benches. He has only ruled out a full coalition.
  
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  August 2, 2023 1:30pm
Chuck Bird

TV3 Poll Tonight.
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August 2, 2023 8:19am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Lynch said last night, you won’t want to miss it, someone is on the slide
  
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  August 2, 2023 8:44am
- Colville
  
  are we running a sweepstake??
  
  26% ?? 25?
  
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  August 2, 2023 9:26am
  - mandk
    
    I doubt Labour will have fallen that far.
    
    The last TV3 poll had them on 35.9; fractionally ahead of Nats.
    
    My guess is 32.0, with Nats on 37.4.
    
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    August 2, 2023 9:47am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    29% Nats up 36%
    
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    August 2, 2023 9:52am
  - Stephen Russell
    
    Roy Morgan (just out) has Labour at 26%, Nats at 33.5%.
    
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    August 2, 2023 1:32pm
Maggie Pie

“Is it THEM again Yogi?”

TBH, I’d never heard of the ‘Pipi Foundation’ until this story appeared in $tuff.
Apparently, it was set up to help…. underprivileged Maori children.

Talk about an ongoing Culture-of-Entitlement!

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1686212675121123328
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August 2, 2023 8:23am
- I remember when
  
  “Yes, it is THEM again Yogi!”
  Apparently once they have the ball it appears it is impossible to kick them to touch.
  Look out for the next court application for removal in a couple of years.
  
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  August 2, 2023 8:52am
- Piniwi
  
  Funny how she has morphed into a barcoded version with the silly hat making her look like a TMP aspirant. Yep Yogi them again.
  
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  August 2, 2023 9:41am
igm

Yet another result of non-ratepayer elected councillors wasting money with gay abandon.
https://www.thepost.co.nz/a/nz-news/350046180/lets-get-wellington-moving-spending-rolls-axe-over-its-neck
Seems they are under the spell of a drunken driver!
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August 2, 2023 8:25am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Random thought. Will Monday night’s car crash fatality in Timaru be counted in the road toll? Or will it be assessed as suicide by cop (shop)?
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August 2, 2023 8:29am
- kowtow
  
  Well it could be counted as a covid death .
  
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  August 2, 2023 10:46am
I remember when

Is the other side of ‘ramping’ the early discharge of patients who should be spending further time in hospital.
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August 2, 2023 8:30am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Joe Biden claimed that his administration “ended cancer as we know it.” What is he talking about?

Joe Biden claimed that his administration “ended cancer as we know it.” What is he talking about?
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August 2, 2023 8:41am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Screwed up there. My own fault. Here is the link:
  
  https://theinformedamerican.net/ouch-sleepy-joe-biden-roasted-for-his-most-bizarre-claim-yet/
  
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  August 2, 2023 9:17am
  - surfing
    
    I don’t think he made the claim you are saying.
    
    He said “we ended cancers”. To me , this means some cancers, but not necessarily all.
    
    If he said, we have ended cancer, then I’d agree with you.
    
    Regardless, he has said enough things in the past to prove he has dementia.
    
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    August 2, 2023 12:03pm
    - Ghost
      
      See I take it different than that. He’s giving a scenario. If he could do anything he would end cancer, and I take the final comment as part of that scenario, we’ve ended cancers as we know it
      
      But then again we have actually ended some cancers as we know it, they are no longer the death sentence, and the treatments have come a long way
      
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      August 2, 2023 12:09pm
- CRM114
  
  It took less than 30sec to clear this up. I simply googled ‘Joe Biden claimed that his administration “ended cancer as we know it’ and the answer was right at the top.
  The full context of the quote:
  ‘Around the 13-minute timestamp on the original stream, he is heard saying: “One of the things I’m always asked is: You know, why, why Americans have sort of lost faith for a while on being, being able to do big things.”
  
  Biden went on to say, “’If you could do anything at all, Joe, what would you do?’ I said, ‘I’d cure cancer.’ And they looked at me like, ‘Why cancer?’ Because no one thinks we can. That’s why. And we can. We can end cancer as we know it.”
  
  Though mumbled, a slowed down version of the clip and the White House transcript show he said “end” not “ended.”’
  Link to the article with supporting information:
  https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-cancer-biden-idUSL1N39D27V.
  
  Are you so bereft of actual facts, or just to lazy to do simple fact checking, or happy to intentionally mislead? I’m honestly curious as to your motives.
  
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  August 2, 2023 9:19am
  - Phronesis
    
    https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvIfcZrN3zp
    
    He definitely doesn’t say “can”.
    
    The real story hear is the media covering for Biden yet again with a “fact check” that is obviously false. The only reason it works is because some people will believe what a journalist claims happened over just looking at the evidence themselves.
    
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    August 2, 2023 9:51am
    - CRM114
      
      @Phronesis, well, yes he does, but even if we disagree on that, it was objectively a hypothetical question, ‘If you could do anything at all, Joe, what would you do?’ I said, ‘I’d cure cancer.’
      To take that and then misrepresent it as him saying he did cure cancer is ridiculous, delusional even, which is kinda ironic, given what they’re trying to imply.
      I get that people don’t like someone, be it Trump or Biden, but if you have to misrepresent or make stuff up, you’re no better than Jacinda’s podium of truth.
      
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      August 2, 2023 10:29am
      - Phronesis
        
        We aren’t arguing about what he meant, we are arguing about what he actually said.
        
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        August 2, 2023 1:08pm
    - CRM114
      
      @Phronesis, lol, your own link says it’s false information and has been independently fact checked. It’s so dishonest I just don’t understand the rational.
      
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      August 2, 2023 10:34am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Link goes straight to something that says “false”
      
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      August 2, 2023 11:17am
      - Phronesis
        
        Yes it does, and if you actually listen to what he said you will find that they are lying to you. It doesn’t matter that Biden cant read the teleprompter, he does that every day. What is interesting is that some people will believe the media’s outright lies over the evidence. It’s very odd, particularly over something so trivial. But I guess if they can make you deny the reality of the small things right in front of you then the big lie is an easy sell.
        
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        August 2, 2023 1:06pm
  - Matt Long
    
    Did Neil Armstrong say One small step for man or a man?
    
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    August 2, 2023 9:56am
    - CRM114
      
      @Matt, is that a tacit admission that at least you think the moon landings happened, because that’s progress.
      
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      August 2, 2023 10:36am
      - Matt Long
        
        And when exactly did you see me describe the moon landings as a hoax?
        Straw man arguments are in fact lies.
        
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        August 2, 2023 10:52am
  - Ghost
    
    So to understand the gibberish the old fool says, now they have to slow it down and hunt for the words. What’s next, play it in reverse?
    
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    August 2, 2023 11:28am
Warren

While I don’t condone Threatening or Intimidating of a Labour MP from National MP Tim Van de Molen if it is proven I find that the Government has double standards .
While Labour and Prime Minister Chris Hipkins cover up what really happened when former Justice Minister Kiri Allen said to the Police Officer when arrested for driving under the influence and other charges I hope the truth get to prevail in both of these cases.
Again it looks like the Labour Party are prepared to delve into dirty politics once again to be the Government in October 2023.
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August 2, 2023 8:43am
- CRM114
  
  We’ll see, but the fact that the accusation comes from a Labour MP makes me immediately question the credibility and motive.
  
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  August 2, 2023 9:43am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Labour have a major issue with bullying & threats etc. Suddenly, they remember they control a kangaroo court (run by David Parker – who by his own admission is totally loyal to the Party over all else), where they have recently managed to let their own people off serious charges. It’s an easy distraction that’ll allow them to transfer “bullying” accusations to National by providing “proof” through a Kangaroo Court conviction.
  
  Labour is disgusting.
  
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  August 2, 2023 10:11am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Bishop and Brown were on that committee, and it will be recorded, the right said it didn’t happen, and this happened early June, hit job
  
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  August 2, 2023 10:19am
  - Piniwi
    
    But it’s Rachel Boyack the complainant isn’t it? Fair go not many would choose to tussle with that and perhaps she realizes her days on the gravy train are numbered. Nelson was once some time ago a safe Labour seat but those days are long gone. Even after jumping up to No 42 from 52 on the list means no win no job.
    
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    August 2, 2023 3:56pm
I remember when

Teresa White, an Auckland financial mentor and consumer rights advocate, has questioned the use of attachment orders to collect debts.
The use affects 20,000 beneficiaries a year at a cost of $29 million and currently 80% of all orders are collected from beneficiaries.

What is the alternative?
And, how do we prevent the rest of the population shouldering the debt, either through the government or increased prices.
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August 2, 2023 8:45am
Maggie Pie

One of the older ladies from the Tennis Club tweets…..

“would”

https://twitter.com/winstonpeters/status/1686274904319197184

😀 😀 😀
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August 2, 2023 8:48am
- mogg
  
  Rasputin is back, our next foreign minister.
  At least he has got better dress sense than Mahuta.
  
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  August 2, 2023 11:31am
  - Keith White
    
    “At least he has got better dress sense than Mahuta.”
    
    Errr, who doesn’t?
    
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    August 2, 2023 12:41pm
BeaB

It’s time the centre right stopped carping about the past and riding hobbyhorses and banded together to kick out this awful government.
What a nightmare if Labour gets back in because we keep looking backwards instead of towards a better future.
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August 2, 2023 8:52am
- Phronesis
  
  “Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” Winston Churchill
  
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  August 2, 2023 9:44am
WaynelSexton

US annual heat wave index 1895- 2021
Once again we see no trend upwards.
https://twitter.com/Diamondthedave/status/1686014479039873024
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August 2, 2023 8:56am
- All_on_Red
  
  The Source of that graph is the US EPA too
  
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  August 2, 2023 9:52am
Flossie

How about good old Albo of Australia stating the reason the Barrier Reef is no longer on the UN endangered list is because of his government’s excellent management of climate change!
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August 2, 2023 8:57am
Grunter

In order to favour the ‘Energy Transition,’ you have to believe all of the things below..…

…that temperatures are rising abnormally (and will continue to rise abnormally)

…that our use of fossil fuel is to blame

…that lower temperatures are better than higher ones

…that if we stop using fossil fuel, disaster will be avoided

…that we can replace fossil fuel with other forms of energy, conservation and doing without

…that we can afford the cost of the transition and that it will be managed successfully

…that we don’t have better uses for the money

…and that the world will be a better place if we make the effort.

None of these things are facts! But that is the path that the entire western world is on.
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August 2, 2023 8:57am
- Taieri
  
  …that our use of fossil fuel is to blame
  ———–
  
  The methodology of emission calculations is very interesting. At least as applied to the marine transport/shipping industry.
  How does it work?
  Vessels are grouped according to their purpose into different categories. Using a bulk carrier as an example:
  -the fuel consumption of a bulk carrier size 0 to 9999 is assumed to be 1505.8 per annum
  -the fuel consumption of a bulk carrier size 10000 to 34999 is assumed to be 3528.3 per annum
  
  Taken on its face value in means that a bulk carrier of 10001 T would consume twice as much fuel per annum as a bulk carrier of 9999 T (both with a similar trading pattern), which is an obvious nonsense, yet these are actual values that powers that be use to calculate shipping emissions. It is all very precise indeed…
  
  Now, how do we accurately calculate emissions from the log burners on a cold winter night in a Central Otago town? Or from the cooking fires on an average day in Surabaya, Indonesia? But of course wood is not a fossil fuel, is it?
  
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  August 2, 2023 10:15am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Seven impossible things before breakfast….
  
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  August 2, 2023 7:47pm
Jack5

The Government is “re-investing” cash in its Kiwibank.

The Government’s holding company in the bank, Kiwi Group Capital (KGC) owns 74.7 per cent of the bank. KGC is investing into Kiwibank quarter of a billion dollars from the $310 million it made from selling KGC’s fund management business, Kiwi Wealth, to Fisher Funds late last year.

Kiwi Wealth descends from Gareth Morgan’s Kiwisaver scheme, sold by Morgan to Kiwibank for a little over $50 million in 2012.

Kiwibank has quit Kiwi Insurance as well as Kiwi Wealth to focus on core banking.

Gareth Vaughan (yep, another Gareth) writes at the web site “Interest.co.nz” that at March 31 Kiwibank had a total capital ratio, expressed as a percentage of its risk weighted lending exposures, of 13.4 per cent.

The Reserve Bank mandated minimum will rise from the present 10.5 per cent to at least 16 per cent in 2028.
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August 2, 2023 8:58am
- greybeard
  
  In other words the Govt is bailing-out Kiwibank.
  
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  August 2, 2023 10:00am
  - Matt Long
    
    It’s always the taxpayer.
    
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    August 2, 2023 10:22am
  - Paulus
    
    Again !
    
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    August 2, 2023 1:31pm
I remember when

Stats NZ data shows that living costs for beneficiaries and superannuitants have risen faster than the average rate in the past decade.

Isn’t that what happens during inflationary periods?
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August 2, 2023 9:01am
Jack5

Were Red Radio and Woke-Left extremists this morning toying with words about veteran National MP Gerry Brownlee.

The report seemed to suggest that Brownlee, on a Parliamentary committee, opposed ta move to extend the time that the Government could hold illegal immigrants.

With a hundred million refugees on Earth (UN estimate), and hundreds of millions threatening to crash into the developed world from hungry countries, this is serious stuff. It’s worse because the range of people-smuggler boats will inevitably increase.

I can’t believe that Brownlee or National MPs would oppose a move that would help protect NZ from such invasions.

Internationalism-fanatic Wokies, feminine, young, and foreign from their accents, must have fooled Radio NZ and listeners like me, that Brownlee was on their side.
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August 2, 2023 9:10am
DimChappie

Bit of a mystery about the Stop Co Governance meeting scheduled for Whakatane yesterday. The live stream did not work then a caller on the Platform said he showed up at a venue and no-one was there. Anyone know if it happened and is there a video link?
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August 2, 2023 9:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I would say the venue was canceled and another elsewhere. I too did not see the live stream.
  
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  August 2, 2023 10:13am
Tricati

The Herald runs an opinion piece written by Denis O’Reilly, crowing about how he infiltrated a Julian Batchelor Stop Co-governance meeting. Points out, in his opinion, errors in Batchelor’s handout but no factual response.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/denis-oreilly-i-infiltrated-julian-batchelors-stop-co-governance-meeting/FTDOW2F2BRB5NM453HXNST6WZU/
How can a gang sympathiser and supporter, with all the social devastation gangs force onto society get to put his dribble in a major news outlet, yet Batchelor has to fund his own meetings, be subject to activist opposition and gets zero objective coverage of what he is saying.
When is Hipkins going to honour his predecessor’s commitment to have a full public discussion on co-governance (and he paupau) so all the country can understand what has been agreed too with Iwi, what are the implications of Mana o te Wai Statements, and explain the full costs of 3 waters and the real impact on rate payers. I won’t hold my breath.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-confirms-public-consultation-on-m-ori-co-governance-will-happen-in-2022.html
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August 2, 2023 9:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Denis O’Reilly gets a few things wrong, the main one of the meeting protocol.
  The speech/presentation is given and then questions answered. Interjecting the presentation with questions just turns it into a circus. I have seen this circus at Orewa.
  The venues are changed because the owners are pressured by Iwi, or the protesters will not let supporters in. They are censoring free speech – what are they afraid of? The truth?
  Hipkins will do nothing about a public consultation, Labour are committed to co-governance and 3 waters.
  These are yet more reasons why Ardern ran away. Compulsive lies caught up with her.
  
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  August 2, 2023 10:37am
  - Tricati
    
    I really hope National/ACT election campaign strategists are looking to ask numerous questions over 3 waters & He paupau during the election campaign.
    They can push back on being labelled ‘racist’ just by say Ardern promised consultation but you (Labour) haven’t engaged with the public yet – only engaged with Iwi.
    
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    August 2, 2023 12:49pm
Matt Long

It’s almost as if a pattern is emerging with lithium batteries and fires.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/northlanders-warned-not-to-chuck-lithium-batteries-in-household-rubbish/EZ4534OTV5FOBDEVFSA7JFUA7U/
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August 2, 2023 9:19am
Warren

Did anyone see the story on the news last night about our Hospital Emergency Departments and the Ambulances that had to be turned away.
I thought this Labour Government preached the that our Hospitals were under funded and under staffed and the would fix these problems.
Well they have thrown billions of dollars at the problem and the state of our Hospitals , Staffing , Emergency Departments and waiting list are worse than when labour came to power and yesterday’s fiasco proved that Labour has tripled the problem that they have .
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August 2, 2023 9:25am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Don’t forget those mandated out of their jobs, a practice that is still happening.
  
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  August 2, 2023 10:37am
- OlderChas
  
  Warren – also noted in Newshub last night – the trumpeted pay rise for nurses are ONLY for nurses employed by the new Health Authority. So the thousands of (equally qualified?) nurses employed by health centres, aged care centres etc etc etc will get nothing. So – shortage of nurses in hospitals solved as they all resign from their current jobs and flood into Health Board jobs? Cunning government! //
  
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  August 2, 2023 11:38am
  - rockape
    
    Sadly they are heading to Australia .
    
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    August 2, 2023 12:25pm
Ehlana

“Prime Minister Chris Hipkins has stressed that the Government “don’t have a money tree” amid teachers and nurses strikes.”

My colleague wonders if Jacinda took the tree with her when she left?
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August 2, 2023 9:31am
- Jack5
  
  🌳 The money tree’s in a pot down at the Reserve Bank, where Adrian Orr and his team of money-tree gardeners nurture it back to health after its super-spurt growth during the Covid shutdown.
  
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  August 2, 2023 9:39am
  - Phronesis
    
    The money tree has been defoliated after the lsap debarkle.
    
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    August 2, 2023 10:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ardern has plenty don’t you worry.
  
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  August 2, 2023 11:25am
- Handyman
  
  Ardern resigned because “there was nothing left in the bank”.
  
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  August 2, 2023 11:48am
- rockape
  
  Nurses being offered 3% pay rise for the period since Oct 22 (inflation over 7%) and 3% next year (inflation around 5% forecast) is an insult. Roll on the strikes in the run up to the election.
  
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  August 2, 2023 12:24pm
  - Yabster
    
    Nurses have had huge payrises since Labour has been in Govt- running out of goodwill just like the teachers – top nurse is on over $100k
    
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    August 2, 2023 3:19pm
Ghost

Damn. Hopefully the Aussie justice system is better than ours and they are away for a very long time

An Australian childcare worker has been charged with 1623 child abuse offences, after allegedly raping and sexually abusing girls before recording the acts to create child exploitation material.
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August 2, 2023 9:38am
- sirknz
  
  Woodchipper, feet first, set on a slow speed for anyone convicted of this sort of crime.
  
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  August 2, 2023 12:15pm
- cmm
  
  Everyone can come right with a few cuddles.
  
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  August 2, 2023 2:32pm
Yvette

Auckland’s got sinkholes, the rest of the country has potholes, and in Wellington, National’s being accused of having a fiscal hole in its transport plan.
Just how big it is is still up for debate, but leader Christopher Luxon is open to it being filled with billions from China

This last sentence seems to cast borrowing billions from China as not the best thing, and I would not like tp see New Zealand’s sovereignty perhaps compromised by idebtedness to another country, but Labour’s 3 Wtaters restructure is all about bigger entities able to borrow more, however I do not remember ever seeing reference to which countries those billions might be borrowed – not China I trust.
Actually, I mean I don’t trust China – nor Labour
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August 2, 2023 9:39am
- Jack5
  
  Anyone else in Christchurch notice how bad the potholes are at present?
  
  Wasn’t the fairly new mayor going to form a flying squad of potholers to save the city’s wheel rims?
  
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  August 2, 2023 9:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not just the wheel rims. Extensive damage is being done to tie rods, steering racks, swing are bushes, etc. Come WOF time and it will cost a lot of money. Is Waka Coathanger going to fund this?
    
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    August 2, 2023 10:42am
  - Paulus
    
    Tauranga pothole cost me $720 for a new tyre.
    
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    August 2, 2023 1:34pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      https://www.nzta.govt.nz/contact-us/feedback-or-comments/request-for-compensation-for-vehicle-damage/
      
      I got a Rim and Tyre paid for after I wrecked them in a pothole on the Hillsborough offramp a few years ago.
      
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      August 2, 2023 3:32pm
Surely Knott

Herald reports on the most recent Citibank scam. They mention 3 NZ cases, but fail to mention reports that a NZ based “mule” was arrested in one of the citibank scams in June. He was the intermediary who then laundered the money offshore.

What has happened to that mule? Why don’t we have their name or any details? What country were they from? Who and where did they launder the money to? Why wasn’t the arrest mentioned in the most recent citibank scams.

Citibank Mule arrested: https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/police-arrest-alleged-mule-linked-to-100-000-investment-scam-involving-north-shore-real-estate-agent/
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August 2, 2023 9:48am
- Ghost
  
  Because the article is more on the banks actions than the scammer who the herald have previously reported was arrested and that police wouldn’t be releasing information because operational sensitivities and not compromising the ongoing investigation
  
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  August 2, 2023 10:00am
  - Surely Knott
    
    I can see the focus is on the banks action. But what I am saying is that someone was arrested for the Citibank scam in NZ. Who was it? What is their name? Where are they from? Are they NZ citizens? What country are they transferring the money to? When is their trial? If they have arrested the intermediary they must know more about where the money goes to?
    
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    August 2, 2023 12:18pm
    - Ghost
      
      And again I point out the police comment on not providing more details because of operational sensitivities and not compromising the ongoing investigation
      
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      August 2, 2023 12:37pm
      - Keith White
        
        So, we can expect the police’s report into the incompetence of their taxpayer-funded unionized vetters of the butcher Tarrant’s FAL quite soon then really? being as there’s no ongoing investigation and no operational sensitivity.
        
        Yeah, right.
        
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        August 2, 2023 12:45pm
      - Ghost
        
        You can thank the previous prime minister for blocking the release of things to do with Tarrant. As for this case the police have made several arrests, so people should let them do their job
        
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        August 2, 2023 1:13pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Next meeting is Aug 3rd ate 3pm. It will also be streamed live. I guess it is text only for the venue. Might be here later today.
Ponsonby meeting is now not listed. Bugger, I was wanting to pop over the bridge and be there.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/great-crowd-turn-up-in-whakatane-to-hear-julian/
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August 2, 2023 9:50am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Forgot the place. Tomorrows meeting is somewhere in Remuera.
  
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  August 2, 2023 11:29am
Benedict Yu

There is a coffee shop chain in the UK. Costa Coffee.

They have decided to go the Bud Light route in their advertising.

A cartoon character surfer. A “trans man”, complete with chest scars from having her breasts surgically removed.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/31/costa-boycott-cartoon-trans-man/

This seems to have upset a few folk.
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August 2, 2023 10:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Getting beyond ridiculous.
  
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  August 2, 2023 10:44am
mandk

There’s no cure for stupidity:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/300941423/russian-influencer-who-promoted-virtues-of-fruitonly-diet-dies-aged-39-of-malnutrition
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August 2, 2023 10:31am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Well she starved her body because of a mental condition. Did she not see the state of her arms and upper chest?
  
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  August 2, 2023 10:47am
Benedict Yu

Here is an eye opener 😳

On the New Zealand fund raising site “give a little”, there are 32 young New Zealand women raising money to have their breasts surgically removed so that they can transition to “trans men”.

https://givealittle.co.nz/search?q=Top+surgery&p=2
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August 2, 2023 10:40am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Sobby sob sob stories.
  
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  August 2, 2023 10:50am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  NZ does not have mental institutions anymore, sadly.
  The dumb thing is people are donating to these ‘give-a-little’ funds.
  
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  August 2, 2023 10:51am
- Piniwi
  
  They include their pictures along with their pitch for funds although one has the need for some proof reading “Yeet the Teets. Transgender man raiding money to get life changing surgery.” Yes “raiding” is what it says. Such a collection of sad individual but we must wonder at the contributors as some have clocked up goodly sums.
  
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  August 2, 2023 4:18pm
Maggie Pie

The coming war with Chynah 🙁

Watched THE BOLT REPORT last night.
He was saying there is now in excess of 100,000 Chinese made EV’s in Britain.
There are huge security concerns that in the event of a war, malicious actors within China would be able to mount a cyber attack on the UK, whereby they could completely immobilize those vehicles, causing major disruptions to the transport network.

Should we be concerned about the growing number of Dolphins spotted on our roads?

Asking for a friend who owns a Taycan.
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August 2, 2023 10:44am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Your friend obviously has a surplus of money over sense.
  
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  August 2, 2023 11:28am
- Ghost
  
  Here is one for you Maggie
  
  U.S. Hunts Chinese Malware That Could Disrupt American Military Operations
  
  The Biden administration is hunting for malicious computer code it believes China has hidden deep inside the networks controlling power grids, communications systems and water supplies that feed military bases in the United States and around the world, according to American military, intelligence and national security officials.
  
  The discovery of the malware has raised fears that Chinese hackers, probably working for the People’s Liberation Army, have inserted code designed to disrupt U.S. military operations in the event of a conflict, including if Beijing moves against Taiwan in coming years.
  
  Article
  
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  August 2, 2023 11:43am
- Keith White
  
  It doesn’t seem likely that the Chinese government would have to go to those lengths. So very much of the supply chain for basic ICE automotive parts is dependent on China, that if they stopped exporting the thousands of containers a day that they do to the rest of the world, pretty soon people’s cars would be at the side of the roads or in the garages regardless of engine.
  
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  August 2, 2023 12:48pm
- cmm
  
  Maggie
  
  Sure cars could be a vector, but I would suggest that it would be far more effective to send a kill command to the millions of Chinese made wifi routers etc.
  
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  August 2, 2023 1:58pm
  - Keith White
    
    In which case, someone might say “Nice Three Gorges dam you have there. Be a shame if something happened to it. Oops, look!”
    
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    August 2, 2023 4:36pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Immobilise them, then let them catch on fire!
  
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  August 2, 2023 2:27pm
Yabster

Anyone watch the Football ferns the other night- if so can you confirm our Anthem was only sung in Maori?- If so,thats a fucking disgrace.
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August 2, 2023 10:51am
- Ghost
  
  Don’t watch it but went to YouTube and in this one they are just playing instrumental and people are singing which ever version they want
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY1i8rtHosQ
  
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  August 2, 2023 11:02am
Warren

Senior Cabinet Minister Megan Woods questions retail crime data, inferred whether most offences are kids stealing 20 cent bags of lollies.
This [Mod – leave out the personal insults] out of touch Minister needs to go to a major Supermarket and see the trolleys of stolen groceries that walk out of stores daily costing over $200.00 before making statements on 20 cent bags of lollies, which is a insult to peoples mentality that give the data in which she is commenting on.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-associations-chris-cahill-on-worsening-crime-megan-woods-questions-lolly-theft-in-stats/I7ZN5QABYFAV5CX5EFIZ7GDOJQ/
My wife is a Checkout Supervisor that loses more that one trolley a day and has laws around that prohibits Staff or Sercurity from touching the culprit and they are trespassed .
You can call the police ever time it happens with these same thieves but nothing is done as the Police are always busy when they want them.
This Supermarket lose more than one trolly a day and customers get pissed off about the lack of Police presence when it is needed.
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August 2, 2023 11:34am
- Blog-aholic
  
  She clearly only goes for the bread treats because the amount of lollies 20 cents will by you is not even worth the effort of stealing.
  She is what is commonly know by people with half a brain cell as an idiot.
  
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  August 2, 2023 11:45am
- lifesgood
  
  Children who think it’s OK to steal bags of lollies grow up to be adults who think it’s OK to steal trollies full of goods. Nip it in the bud and teach the kids a lesson and while you’re at it, coppers, charge the thieving adults.
  
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  August 2, 2023 1:01pm
  - Ghost
    
    Or
    
    Children who think it’s OK to steal bags of lollies grow up to be politicians who think it’s OK to steal hard earned money to give away.
    
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    August 2, 2023 1:10pm
- Ehlana
  
  20 cent bag of lollies? I think I hear the 1960’s calling.
  
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  August 2, 2023 1:05pm
- kowtow
  
  What the luvvies need to wake up to is the costs of that $200 trolley and the security hired is passed on to us in the form of price rises .
  
  I can’t see a business taking it on the chin and nor should they have to.
  
  We’re all victims of so called “victimless” crime.
  
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  August 2, 2023 1:25pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump is only running for President to stay out of jail! Will Hurd is a failed Republican.

https://freedomclash.com/trump-just-ripped-rino-will-hurd-to-absolute-pieces-for-spreading-a-huge-lie/
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August 2, 2023 11:59am
mogg

On last nights news Robertson is looking evermore like our own ‘Mr Creosote’, as in “just one more little wafer”
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August 2, 2023 12:28pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Better get a bucket…..
  
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  August 2, 2023 4:05pm
ClanMcleod

Bob Moran is an excellent, world renowned political cartoonist. He was fired from his job at the UK ‘Daily Telegraph’ for his anti covid policy cartoons.
He highlights the hypocrisy of their latest headline in this Twitter post.

Thank you, @telegraph, for firing me when I tried to defend children against those who wished them harm through lockdowns.
Great to see such ethical consistency.

https://twitter.com/bobscartoons/status/1686297723425771521?s=20

Never forget.
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August 2, 2023 12:56pm
Ghost

So the education budget is now taking this hit, not new money to pay for it

The Government agreed to support an Independent Arbitration Panel’s recommendation to increase teachers’ pay by 14.5%.

However, the pay bump will be funded by shifting $374 million from the education budget.

“After careful consideration and weighing up the current challenging financial environment, the Government has agreed to find the money through savings from other parts of the Education Budget and Education’s Budget 2024 cost pressure allowance,” Education Minister Jan Tinetti said.

Article
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August 2, 2023 1:22pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  Given removing GST from Fruit and Veg is estimated to ppotentially cost the government 500million a year, I think I could point to a solution here.
  
  Except Grant Robertson and David Parker already know what the solution would be….
  
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  August 2, 2023 1:32pm
- rockape
  
  The question now is why nurses are getting 3% ?
  
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  August 2, 2023 2:05pm
  - Ehlana
    
    I think nurses have already had their pay equity increase?
    
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    August 2, 2023 2:30pm
    - rockape
      
      That has nothing to do with their MECA agreement where they have been offered just 3% against inflation at over 6%.
      
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      August 2, 2023 2:32pm
      - Yabster
        
        yeah lets just bankrupt the country- but as long as the highly unionised teachers and nurses are ok then thats fine- seems to be they have had huge increases compared to the average nzer and now the top rates are over $100k.
        
        Teachers have no more public support and nurses next? Almost like your married to a nurse huh Rockape……
        
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        August 2, 2023 3:27pm
      - rockape
        
        To Ya ster so while average wages go up 6% in the last year you think nurses are worth half that. Do you want a health service r not. You can’t have one if all the nurses move to greener pastures ps top rates are well over that ! My wife is on over $160 k but she has two degrees, one a masters and 33 years experience. Still earns a lot less than the doctors and does the same job.
        
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        August 2, 2023 3:51pm
      - cmm
        
        Coz everyone loves nurses.
        
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        August 2, 2023 5:08pm
      - cmm
        
        rockape
        If your missus does the same job as a doctor (I doubt it), then why didn’t she become a doctor? Why is she buggering around getting degrees that don’t advance her career as much?
        
        The reason I say I doubt she does the same job as a doctor is that a large part of what a doctor does is take the responsibility for decisions that are made (yes, I am aware that others do make decisions too) and that extra responsibility also comes with a heftier pay packet.
        
        Bottom line is that people get paid as much as they are able to negotiate.
        
        But you are correct that many people in all fields (nursing, engineering,…) are leaving to go elsewhere or even find less stressful conditions. A year ago I talked to a nurse who was looking at leaving nursing to go work in a factory.
        
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        August 2, 2023 5:15pm
      - rockape
        
        I would suggest a masters in nursing science and a degree in biology is advancing her. As a nurse Practicioner she is happy in her work. Ok she had to pay for 6 years and do 11 uni papers in her own time but her hard work has paid off. If you end up in any Ed there is a fair chance. You will be dealt to by a NP and be glad if you do. I would rather a NO than a new doctor straight out of Uni . Give me experience over a uni qualification any time. And yes she does take patients on just like a doctor, makes her decisions without reference to a doctor, pr3scribes just like a doctor. Deals with bone injuries lacerations ,heart attacks just as a doctor does. If she feels it too complicated for her she refers it to a consultant, just like a doctor.
        
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        August 2, 2023 5:28pm
Bridgenag

when the arbiters of truth become the merchants of misinformation [ cindy in this one]
and then they came for the memes, and so i pushed back. hard.

https://open.substack.com/pub/boriquagato/p/when-the-arbiters-of-truth-become?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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August 2, 2023 1:47pm
Maggie Pie

Surely I’m not the only one who has suspected all along that there’s something very very rotten in the State of Gloriavale?
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August 2, 2023 2:05pm
- Ehlana
  
  Of course there is. How can anyone be said to have “volunteered” when they were born and raised there and their only alternative to continuing to “volunteer” is to leave the only home and community they have ever known and never speak to or see any of those people again?
  
  That is so ludicrous it would be laughable if it weren’t so cruel. It certainly bears no resemblance to Christianity, though it is the only form of it given air time in New Zealand.
  
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  August 2, 2023 2:33pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Sound just like every other cult. And most communities (including christian ones) over last 2000 years. It’s shit by 21st century standards, but certainly far better than most communities by standards of all times up until 20th century.
    
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    August 2, 2023 2:47pm
    - Ehlana
      
      I don’t understand your second sentence. In tribes without money, the concept of paid employment doesn’t exist, so the question of volunteering doesn’t arise. And those both date back well over 2000 years and still exist today, for example, in the Amazon. Though I suppose their ultimate sanction for non-conformists, if they didn’t kill them, was an expulsion with similar effect to Gloriavale’s.
      
      But once people started using money, working for others for payment would surely have been normal.
      
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      August 2, 2023 3:55pm
      - cmm
        
        Money isn’t the only form of payment. People have been bartering since ugg and ogg traded some newly made spear heads for a lump of meat.
        Maori managed to pay/barter/trade without being able to do the most basic arithmetic and without money.
        
        But it would be entirely naive to think that working for payment is generally normal. Slavery is much closer to normal. 100 years ago my grandfather was a British commissioner in South West Africa. One of his main functions was sorting out slavery (ie. getting rid of it) in Northern SWA. The Germans had completely turned a blind eye to slavery when SWA was their colony (same in their East African colonies too).
        
        We can make a big song and dance about this “volunteer” style work, but how is it fundamentally different to other similar work?
        
        Many people here would have grown up on farms and would have “volunteered” a significant portion of their holidays to do farm work. It was just seen as doing your bit. Is that really different?
        
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        August 2, 2023 5:07pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    ‘Over-Seeing Shepard’ Howard Temple facing 27 charges of doing indecent acts on girls aged between nine and 20.
    
    Remanded on bail.
    
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    August 2, 2023 2:47pm
    - Ehlana
      
      So one sex offender promoted another.
      
      And where on Earth have they bailed him to? Back to the community where he caused harm?
      
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      August 2, 2023 3:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Hunter is not a crook. Joe is not a crook. But Trump is under attack!

https://billingsreport.com/devon-archer-testifies-joe-biden-met-with-moscow-mayors-wife-in-georgetown-she-then-wired-3-5-million-to-hunter-and-then-joe-biden-kept-her-off-sanctions-list/
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August 2, 2023 2:45pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  And wot about this SteveO…the owner of ‘Burisma’ pictured with Hunter’s teenage daughter Naomi, holidaying in Monaco 2016. Sleepy Joe’s grandaughter!
  
  https://twitter.com/mazemoore/status/1686212576584081408
  
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  August 2, 2023 3:10pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Probably there on his Yacht.
    Ole Mykola seems to be a good judge of character.
    He thinks Hunter is “dumber than his dog”.
    https://www.newsweek.com/burisma-owner-thought-hunter-biden-was-dumber-his-dog-fbi-document-1814424
    
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    August 2, 2023 3:18pm
- cmm
  
  $3.5M and a sniff?
  
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  August 2, 2023 4:56pm
Maggie Pie

Anyone else just see Willow Jean Prime refer to…

“Pregnant individuals”

She’s obviously as thick as she looks. SHEESH!!
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August 2, 2023 2:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

From the Whakatane live streaming yesterday. Yeah you have to go on Facebook I think. 33 min in there are comments by Kieran McAnulty with Jack Tame. There are 6 lies.

https://www.facebook.com/search/top?q=stop%20co-governance%20nz
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August 2, 2023 3:06pm
- DimChappie
  
  No there is no Whakatane content there, it is older meetings. I hope they get the system fixed.
  
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  August 2, 2023 5:04pm
andretti

The slide to communism.
Im sure im right here in noticing the poor service by an increasing amount of people.Years ago I read Economics 101 by thomas Sowell and why the economy of USSR was so bad,I’m sure its happening here right now.
Staff have told me that I have to pay them $22 odd per hour just to walk in the door,so they don’t need to put much effort in for this.They only create a bit of effort if they get paid substantially over the $22 hence IMO why productivity is dropping like a stone.
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August 2, 2023 3:42pm
- kevn
  
  An employees dream…
  
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  August 2, 2023 4:28pm
- cmm
  
  Ah yes, the good old commie saying: “They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work.”
  
  We have almost the opposite, but either way there is
  no incentive.
  
  Either way there is no link between performance and pay. No incentive to improve. Come 5 pm, just slope off home and hit a beer/vodka/P-pipe/whatever.
  
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  August 2, 2023 5:30pm
Maggie Pie

GRAFICK CONTENT: Neck Tattoo 🙁

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1686527738729861120
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August 2, 2023 4:11pm
kevn

Maggie… I see an ‘M’ neck tat. An acknowledgment to the peaceful people? Or just a Mum?
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August 2, 2023 4:26pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Could even be a fan of ….’Marama’ ?
  
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  August 2, 2023 4:40pm
Keith White

The young lady who was so awfully killed, had complained to the police twice in recent days about her stalker and his threats. But hey – “Police were progressing this matter further when Farzana was senselessly murdered.”

Which begs two questions really
– is there ever any such thing as a sensible murder?
– but far more significantly, what do the police get to do which is much more important and urgent than investigating a threatening stalker (who amongst other things previously said he would throw acid on her face)?

I mean they’re always telling us they can’t investigate burglaries or car thefts or anything of that nature because they’re so very busy doing much more urgent stuff. What is much more urgent than this sort of thing that they still don’t do? If you’re a father and someone is stalking and threatening your daughter, when would it be time for some Paul Kersey interventions?
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August 2, 2023 4:41pm
- Ghost
  
  Problem is with our laws, the govt needs to introduce criminal stalking laws.
  
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  August 2, 2023 7:26pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  It’s been reported that the killer was here illegally
  
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  August 2, 2023 8:22pm
Ghost

Barry Soper on ZB, big meeting with Grant today over a $20 billion hole in the books. Departments told to cut their budgets by 10%
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August 2, 2023 4:49pm
- Ghost
  
  Winston twitter
  
  Is it true that State Services Commissioner Hughes met with heads of ministries yesterday to address a $20 billion hole in government revenue? The alleged purpose of the meeting was for all ministries to find and claw back cuts of 10% of Core Crown Spending to the Consolidated Fund. One guess what the Pre-Election Fiscal Update will look like on September 12.
  
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  August 2, 2023 4:54pm
- Ghost
  
  Now being reported
  
  Article
  
  Former Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters has alleged there is a $20 billion hole in the Government’s revenue as a result of the weakening economy.
  
  Finance Minister Grant Robertson’s office said the statement was untrue.
  
  In a press statement, Peters alleged public service chief executives had been called in by Public Service Commissioner Peter Hughes on Wednesday to “find and claw back cuts of 10 per cent of core Crown spending to the Consolidated Fund”.
  
  A deficit of $20b would be very large. The Covid-19 deficit in 2019/20 was $23b, and the current deficit is forecast to be just $7b.
  
  The Herald has confirmed public service chief executives met with Robertson as recently as today. It is understood spending restraint was discussed.
  
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  August 2, 2023 5:11pm
cmm

This is one of the problems with Asians. They just don’t understand genuine Kiwi culture.

Having someone pour piss all over your door and do a friendly wave with an axe is a cultural blessing. It should be received with thanks and an open heart.

But no, they just don’t want to adapt. Damn racists.

FFS: there are some sick bastards out there. Worse yet KO and the cops seem to have their hands tied. Sounds most likely they don’t want to do something to offend the disgusting people behind this. 50cent and a servo pie says we all know why.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-called-to-kainga-ora-complex-after-complaints-of-axe-threat-and-urine-poured-across-entrance-of-apartment/KXGJZWXEP5GKXDDCRZQ2SPSB44/
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August 2, 2023 4:54pm
jon

How can this be? $20Billion hole found in govt accounts. Robertson should be red faced. Over the years, he has been quick to accuse other parties of not doing their sums properly. This wont enhance Labour’s chances at the election. Nats and Act will have a field day over this!
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August 2, 2023 5:04pm
Hugh Jarse

So Robertson has done a Cullen, spent the lot plus some and now telling Ministries to cut back their spending. Cuts to services through their incompetence coming to New Zealand. They do it every bloody time. It’s two steps forward and then two steps back, every time this country starts to get ahead they come in and f*”k it up. They shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near the government benches ever again, but sadly they will be.
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August 2, 2023 5:06pm
Ghost

British anti-trans activist Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull, also known as Posie Parker, who fled the country after having tomato juice dumped on her at an Auckland rally may be allowed to re-enter the country in September.

Keen-Minshull was set to speak as part of her Let Women Speak tour on March 25 but was drowned out by thousands of counter-protesters.

Stuff
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August 2, 2023 5:08pm
Keith White

We keep hearing about the police having their hands tied. I don’t think that’s correct. I think they choose what to enforce and they enforce against the people currently out of favour with the government and they enforce in favour of the people currently in favour with the government. Certainly when I was in hotel quarantine they were absolutely forceful in enforcing against the quiet obedient middle-class families which made up 97% of the people in that hotel. Just as they were very forceful in stopping people from going through the illegal every roadblocks. Just as they were very forceful and stop for people going outside in fresh air during the lockdowns. They are forceful when it suits them and they are lackadaisical when it doesn’t suit them.
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August 2, 2023 5:11pm
- cmm
  
  It depends which police you are talking about.
  Top level cops might have their hands tied by the politicians, or they could be acting according to their own activist goals.
  
  But the lower-level bobbies on the beat definitely are constrained as to what they can do.
  
  Remember that shocker a few months back where cops in S Auckland were told they had to phone their managers before they could arrest anyone?
  
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  August 2, 2023 7:15pm
  - Keith White
    
    The ‘lower-level bobbies on the beat’ are quite happy to allow iwi roadblocks, confiscate licensed guns, patrol quarantine hotels, hassle walkers during lockdowns, not enforce the laws of the land on the road during gang tangis and convoys, etc, without anyone standing over them.
    
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    August 2, 2023 7:44pm
Maggie Pie

I’ve also followed Eugenia on Tiktok for a while now.
She’s actually quite a famous Influencer.
Although of what, I’m not too sure….

https://twitter.com/OliLondonTV/status/1686161318607249408
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August 2, 2023 5:26pm
- Ghost
  
  Someone should ask oli how many people he has influenced to claim they are Korean when they aren’t
  
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  August 2, 2023 5:30pm
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/public-service-bosses-called-in-as-government-accounts-plunge-deeper-into-the-red/CKEBIEWIAFA5TBOUCMFXR4YK3Y/

Public service bosses called in as Government accounts plunge deeper into the red

Meanwhile, government departments are paying their staff $3000 to learn Te Reo. I don’t get how they can preach spending restraint yet get up to this nonsense.

The disconnect is staggering!
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August 2, 2023 5:34pm
Ghost

Can anyone recall this ever happening before?

Hospital ED shuts doors as illness and staff shortages push doctors and nurses to breaking point
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August 2, 2023 5:43pm
- cmm
  
  You’d think that something as important as this should be published openly, but the arse wombles at $1uff put it behind a paywall.
  
  But, hey, I’m sure it’s all those damn anti-vaxxers bringing down the health system.
  
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  August 2, 2023 7:08pm
  - Ghost
    
    Weird, it’s not paywalled for me
    
    Oamaru Hospital, contracted by Te Whatu Ora, was forced to shut its emergency department from 5pm on Monday to 7am on Tuesday because of “doctor shortages”.
    
    In-patient access was also restricted. No patients were transferred to Dunedin Hospital during the closure, said Te Whatu Ora specialist services lead Hamish Brown.
    
    It comes less than a week after Christchurch’s 24 Hour Surgery closed for eight hours overnight because of nurse shortages.
    
    Hospitals across the South Island are bulging.
    On Tuesday evening, wards in Christchurch Hospital were at 97% occupancy, while Burwood Hospital was at 96%.
    
    Nelson Hospital was at 98%, Wairau Hospital 102%, Timaru Hospital 89%, Dunedin Hospital, 96% and Southland Hospital 98%.
    
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    August 2, 2023 7:15pm
Ghost

Well tonight’s poll means one thing, someone better call the police and have a welfare check done on sir Cullen Sidekick.
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August 2, 2023 6:02pm
- The Boss
  
  Still too close for comfort imo.
  National and Act should have done a deal with Matt King to ensure an extra seat for the coalition.
  
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  August 2, 2023 6:28pm
- greybeard
  
  All the recent polls have shown that National & ACT have the numbers: what is so special about this one that makes the MSM TV news?
  
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  August 2, 2023 7:09pm
  - DeepBlue
    
    Newshub paid for it.
    
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    August 2, 2023 7:26pm
Colville

Is Chippy at risk of a quiet knifing??
Who would be the one?
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August 2, 2023 6:11pm
- Ghost
  
  Prime Minister ~~Ardern~~
  Prime Minister ~~Hipkins~~
  Prime Minister ~~Nash~~
  Prime Minister ~~Wood~~
  Prime Minister ~~Allan~~
  
  Think there is only one left
  
  Prime Minister Mahuta
  
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  August 2, 2023 6:18pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    With Willie playing the K❌ing Queen maker in the background!
    
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    August 2, 2023 7:14pm
Warren

What I want to know is if Labour have got a $20 billion hole in there budget how is the Prime Minister Chris Hipkins going to pay for the large bribe he is about to annouce for the upcoming October 2023 Election to give himself a chance of remaining Prime Minister.
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August 2, 2023 6:30pm
- Ghost
  
  He’s going to put on a black trench coat, hat and glasses so no one recognises him, walk into a Chinese bank and get a loan using the North Island as collateral. Joke will be on him, Ardern already sold it to them 😜
  
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  August 2, 2023 6:40pm
  - kevn
    
    Ghost… The plan ‘was’ to use 3-5-whatever Waters assets as security to borrow vast amounts.
    That’s the labour way.
    To h*ll with the upcoming generations of NZer’s.
    
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    August 2, 2023 7:12pm
Steve Todd

thirteenstars (9:48AM) and Dougal10 (10:31AM) will be feeling rather embarrassed right now. I guess that’s what happens when you can’t see past your rabid prejudices.
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August 2, 2023 6:50pm
Swifty

“We will continue to be the voice for our people….”

Hey Rawiri, Debbie and John – 97% of voters don’t want you.

Hell, only a small fraction of Maori seem to want to give you their votes.

How does that feel? What do you think about that?

FFS.
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August 2, 2023 7:37pm
Dougal10

Reply to steves post above
32 way ahead of 26 in last poll ,which is why they would have been happy . Only 4 to 5 points behind after a shit week.
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August 2, 2023 7:41pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Right has 63 seats and left have 57.
  Good result.
  
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  August 2, 2023 8:07pm
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    I 100% agree . 3 have released this a day or so after the roy morgan to change the commentary out of the 20s for labour though.
    
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    August 2, 2023 8:29pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      […] to change the commentary out of the 20s for labour […].
      
      What nonsense.
      
      Tonight’s poll was conducted between 26 and 31 July, and the results were clearly released as soon as possible. The release of the Roy Morgan poll had nothing to do with TV3’s timing.
      
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      August 2, 2023 8:47pm
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        Ha ha ha
        
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        August 2, 2023 9:36pm
- Steve Todd
  
  @Dougal10 @ 7:41PM
  
  That’s not what you were getting at this morning. You were saying that TV3 would manipulate tonight’s poll to show Labour up “after 3 months”, when Labour is down 3.6%.
  
  You’re now comparing tonight’s poll with the latest Roy Morgan poll, rather than with the TV3 Newshub poll in May. There’s no comparison; different methodology, etc.
  
  Why can’t you just admit you were wrong.
  
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  August 2, 2023 8:35pm
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    You should be embarrassed that you miss interpreted my comment to use your own words.
    
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    August 2, 2023 9:39pm
Chris Nisbet

Yowza! Transpower reported an electricity demand of 7400MW at about 6:30pm tonight. Just about all forms of generation are cranking away except for wind (lol) and diesel.
Wouldn’t surprise me if tonight is the most miserable of the year so far.
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August 2, 2023 7:49pm
- than
  
  I’ve had a look just now too. The much maligned (by the greens) coal and gas are keeping the lights on. Wind is slack.
  
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  August 2, 2023 8:24pm
Southern Raider

What’s really concerning is that Chippie seemed upbeat on Newshub suggesting something big is coming to swing the polls back

Is this going to be bigger last ditch bribe than free student loans under Helen?

I don’t think Chippie and Grant care they can’t afford it, they will do anything to remain in power
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August 2, 2023 8:04pm
- Keith White
  
  Perhaps they’re buying Dominion voting machines and learning to code…
  
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  August 2, 2023 9:52pm
Burtland

So it looks like Cindys mates at Blackrock are going to bankroll climate infrastructure investments in NZ to the tune $2B – yet more debt

Prime Minister Chris Hipkins today said that a deal had been reached with the United States multinational BlackRock to develop a climate infrastructure fund to support New Zealand businesses, help create more highly-skilled local jobs, and accelerate green energy options like solar, wind, green hydrogen and battery storage to fuel a low emissions economy.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/climate-change-nz-bid-to-be-first-in-world-with-100-per-cent-renewable-energy-government-aims-for-2b-fund-with-blackrock-investor/L5SAOAKXIRFBZN5JJIEWLGJIEA/
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