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Warren

The ever present expert on everything and master of none Political Journalist Lloyd Burr goes after Nationals Transport Policy with criticism and space age rhetoric, with Chris Luxon channels space race for Nationals Transport Policy.
Nationals promising to make it rain to make some roads.
By rain we mean cash, not water. And not just a we shower , but a down pour over ten years.
Maybe it would be better if Mr Burr stopped pulling his pudding and tapping his head instead of using his pet hate
“The National Party ” and instead funneled all that energy into costing how many billions or millions of Dollars Labour have spent on Consultants and canceled policies concerning Roads, Bridges, Rail.and tunnels over the last 6 years that could have help fund sound policies like National have announced this week.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/07/election-2023-christopher-luxon-channels-jfk-s-space-race-for-national-s-transport-policy.html
Please Mr Burr tell us how many promises on Transport have turned out to be lies from this out of there depth Government and what have you done to hold them to account.
What National and our Prime Minister have done is is a plan for the future something Prime Minister Chris Hipkins and Jacinda Ardern never had and still hasn’t for the future of New Zealand.
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August 1, 2023 8:01am
- greybeard
  
  Stuff website:
  1. Nothing whatsoever about National’s Transport Policy.
  2. Nothing whatsoever about that latest poll which shows Labour at 26%.
  
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  August 1, 2023 8:09am
  - pdm
    
    GB – Stuff has not covered Roy Morgan Polls for years.
    
    Probably because Roy Morgan does not tell them what they want to hear.
    
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    August 1, 2023 8:17am
    - igm
      
      Taxpayers’ misused funding buys a favourable press.
      
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      August 1, 2023 8:26am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Form is temporary, class is permanent.
        
        Christopher Luxon’s big intellect and big vision management skills are producing inevitable poll results.
        
        We will see more wise policies from the hardworking Luxon and his Minister as we lead into election day.
        
        David Seymours ACT are also tracking well.
        
        To Clan and all the others out there alarmed by: the covid fraud, the all cause mortality, NZs position as the only oecd country still promoting and administering the failed covid jab, the many examples of Labour Ministers defrauding taxpayers by awarding their spouses and families lucrative government positions / contracts, and Jacinda’s mysterious wealth.
        
        My advice is to hold fire, support National / ACT as best you can in the lead up to the election, then we need to demand answers from the new government.
        
        I’ll be asking Luxon and Seymour the hard questions post the election….
        
        Will you?
        
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        August 1, 2023 11:34am
      - Don Beckett
        
        I agree Mark. Nothin – but NOTHING – is more important than we get rid of this terrible government. A vote for Labour – or Greens, Maori , NZ F etc. -is a vote for the destruction of our country as we know it, and a non – vote is half a vote for them.
        I agree with everything Clan & others say, except for withholding their vote from Nat./ACT. I know it means putting a pretty severe clamp on your nose, but its the only choice that makes sense & to condemn Labour to the anals of history – the more resounding the defeat, the less chance there is of them repeating the last 6 years.
        
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        August 1, 2023 1:33pm
    - surfing
      
      I’d love to see Labour go into the teens on polling. 26% is dire though. The result of driving the nation into the dirt, rampant crime, destroying the economy. Potholes in the road with no clear plan to repair them.
      
      Polls are mostly rubbish these days anyway, they can be significantly wrong.
      
      Someone needs to change the way polling is done. Gone are the days of landlines and open opinions.
      
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      August 1, 2023 8:28am
      - Warren
        
        Well yesterday’s poll of SMEs show the same shift in power, it found 64% wanted change, another 21% believed the Government deserved to be re- elected and one in ten respondents said it did not make any difference to who was in power.
        The poll found that National was firm favorite with 42% of respondents saying they expected to vote for National Party.
        The intention to vote Labour dropped significantly from 2020 pre election snapshot with just 15% of SMEs now saying they would vote Labour from 38% last election.
        A further 15% said they would vote Actand 6% for the Green Party.
        Just 5% of respondents said they would vote NZ First and 4% Te Pati Maori.
        The survey found crime, the cost of living and the rising cost of compliance would like to see new policy in.
        40% of business leaders said they wanted to see hasher penalties for criminals, 33% said they would likeGST removed from fresh fruit and vegetables and 28% wanted to see tax law changes to simplify compliance.
        
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        August 1, 2023 9:30am
      - sirknz
        
        The problem with that is that a number of the (former) Labour supporters will likely vote Green, and that would be very bad for all of us.
        
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        August 1, 2023 9:43am
      - Vinicius
        
        Unless you are an expert pollster like DPF it is hard to know what gives with these polls this year. How many people hang up, are not interested or give a flippant answer to the questions asked?
        
        Polls also obviously cannot account for those who make up their minds in the polling booth. And how many of these voters are there?
        
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        August 1, 2023 9:56am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Surfing,
        Hmm, the difficulty with that wish is the left vote would go into the Greens and Te Pati Māori. Do you really want them calling the shots in the next left wing government circa 2032?
        It is always better if the two major parties retain a respectable vote share, which in my view means above 25%.
        I know what it was like to be in a caucus with a 21% vote share. Not good.
        
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        August 1, 2023 12:54pm
    - rockape
      
      Roy Morgan always seems to underestimate the major parties and overestimate the minor. It and Horizon are the two polls I ignore, even Talbot Mills I’d better and that’s run by ex Labour staffers.
      
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      August 1, 2023 9:06am
      - Grunter
        
        Roy Morgan was the most accurate 1 week before the last election
        
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        August 1, 2023 9:58am
    - Surely Knott
      
      The Roy Morgan poll isn’t all rainbows and unicorns. NZ first on 5% and TOP at 4%. If TOP reach 5% then that could be a major problem.
      
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      August 1, 2023 9:19am
      - greybeard
        
        Do you really believe that 100 people will walk into a polling booth and 5 of them will vote for TOP?
        
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        August 1, 2023 10:15am
      - Surely Knott
        
        Reddit New Zealand – there’s more than u think
        
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        August 1, 2023 1:58pm
  - Kiwiguy
    
    I noticed this too, no article on the poll results.
    I heard it on the way to work, then tried to find info online, but nothing… I thought I must have dreamt it.
    Stuff and NZH are probably furiously trying to find a way to spin it to their advantage, and failing miserably…
    
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    August 1, 2023 8:40am
  - Opie
    
    What poll is this?
    
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    August 1, 2023 8:56am
  - Martonman
    
    Talking of polls I had a call last night on Mobile Ph from Curia. Political poll. The left did not score well.
    
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    August 1, 2023 9:22am
  - jon
    
    Greybeard, your #2 is a inconvenient and agonizing truth for Stuff and their fellow lefties.
    
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    August 1, 2023 9:46am
  - Mrs_Right
    
    Can you post more information about the poll please. Can’t find anything about it online…. must be very bad for Labour.
    
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    August 1, 2023 10:34am
- Paulus
  
  Burr has always been ajerk with left wing favours.
  Surprise that he still potificates on TV with such gusto.
  He and Tova must get on well now that she is back.
  
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  August 1, 2023 8:25am
- Nickc2
  
  As reported on Talkback ZB this morning and given David Parker’s (Minister of Transport) huffing and puffing over National’s Roading Costings, the figures used by National were in fact provided by Parker’s Office as a result of a question raised during Question Time.
  Another own goal by Labour!
  
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  August 1, 2023 8:26am
  - PeeJay
    
    I’ve made comments on the costings – definitely look a bit light. The fact they are from Parker’s office explains a lot!
    
    A fair and neutral media would include on any comments from Parker, Hopkins, Robertson etc about the budgets, that the budget figures used are Labour’s own figures. A good journalist might then ask why the government figures are sacrosanct one moment but then farcical when their opponents use them!
    
    Unfortunately, we don’t have a fair and neutral media nor many good journalists. As a result, these reports on costs might get traction unfortunately – the average voter tends to not care so much about the details and tends to be led by the headline. Sad but true.
    
    Just have to hope that enough people out there can see through the media spin and send this joke of a government into electoral oblivion on October 14!
    
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    August 1, 2023 9:02am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Lol Nick, Parker walks from one debacle into another. The guy is a ne’er do well numpty who has turned up and collected a taxpayer funded salary for 20 years or so.
    
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    August 1, 2023 9:29am
    - John Loveridge
      
      Poor old Parker. He’s been very sour and snappy lately.
      
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      August 1, 2023 4:35pm
- kowtow
  
  Today’s Ferald cartoon , yet another attack on Luxon/Willis .
  
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  August 1, 2023 8:28am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Yet another EV car carrying ship on fire. Batteries plus alloys means fire cant be put out. Also reports from overseas of electric scooter batteries catching fire stored in apartment buildings with disasterous results.
    I say a tipping point will come when citizens will say ICE good EV bad. Sales of new EVs will plummet second hand will be worthless whilst ICE prices will sky rocket.
    The Climate Hysterics will have a melt down.
    Popcorn time.
    
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    August 1, 2023 9:23am
    - Handyman
      
      There are four mechanisms for the eventual capping of EV market share.
      
      1. They catch fire. When people know of someone who’s garage/house burns down they will avoid an EV. This is just a matter of time as EV numbers increase.
      There will be regulatory reaction after a major car scrap yard catches fire with hundreds of EV batteries polluting the air.
      2. Virtue signaling isn’t what it used to be. Last year you could drive with pride knowing you were supporting plucky little Tesla. Musk has since bought Twitter and fosters free speech, so he is now an enemy of the people and being seen in a Tesla is an embarrassment.
      3. Cost. The EV market is very binary. The market is saturated with the 15% of people who can afford to buy an EV. But there is no market for the used version. Those who want a cheap car will not pay a premium for virtue signaling so will buy an ICE car. The depreciation on an EV will be extreme and prevent re-purchase.
      4. Burial costs. There is no mechanism for disposing of the tonnes of battery waste generated.
      
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      August 1, 2023 9:54am
      - Debsta
        
        Well summarised Handyman, those pesky facts for the worthies eh 🤣
        
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        August 1, 2023 10:13am
      - alloytoo
        
        Salient points all.
        
        EV’s have a lifespan of about 14 years unless you spent more than the cost of car replacing batteries.
        
        There are a lot of safe reliable 15-20 year old ICE vehicles out there, and even if they do require an complete engine overhaul (rare nowadays), its still mostly less than what the car is worth.
        
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        August 1, 2023 11:35am
      - Jack5
        
        Electric scooters look to be a bigger danger, because many will be parked within a house, or hard up against it.
        
        https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/e-scooter-explosion-victim-critical-days-after-unstoppable-battery-fire/
        
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        August 1, 2023 1:19pm
      - Hard Cheese
        
        This post is complete nonsense. You may wish it to be true, but it is not.
        
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        August 1, 2023 3:06pm
    - Hard Cheese
      
      You’re living in fantasy land. In Jan-May this year, the market share in China for EVs increased to 28%, from 9% last year; the market share for ICE vehicles in the same period dropped from 91% to 72%. Values of ICE cars in China are plummeting because many of them don’t meet their new emission standards and can’t be sold. If you think the world is going to suddenly revert to petrol engines you’ve got a nasty surprise coming. If people don’t care about the potential for (and low incidence of) battery fires in hundreds of millions of cellphones, they certainly won’t care about the same thing in EV’s. You may need a sedative instead of that popcorn.
      
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      August 1, 2023 3:20pm
      - Ehlana
        
        HardCheese, if my cellphone battery catches fire, I think I have a fair chance of smothering the flames. But if my EV battery catches fire in a garage under an apartment building or office block, or attached to my neighbours house, I think the damage could be more substantial. I can see a few such instances leading to questions about insurance cover for the affected vehicles, or buildings.
        
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        August 1, 2023 4:21pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        The EV market in the US has peaked
        ‘ But there are signs that the torrential pace of sales growth may not be sustainable. According to Cox, at the end of June dealers had, on average, about a 53-day supply of internal combustion vehicles in stock. The inventory runway for EVs, on the other hand, was more than double that. Overall, there were more than 92,000 electric vehicles available in the second quarter, compared to about 20,000 a year prior.’
        https://www.wired.com/story/ev-sales-hit-a-record-in-the-us-now-their-popularity-may-be-waning/
        
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        August 1, 2023 4:36pm
      - JimBobJoe
        
        You argument evaporated when you used statistics from teh land that never saw a stat that the CCP couldn’t and wouldn’t invent or fudge to suit the CCP agenda.
        
        EV’s are not the future for mass public ownership. But I think you know that.
        
        I think your Green agenda pushing EV’s and 15 minute cities etc etc is very anti-human, anti-individual freedom and extremely controlling.
        
        The Green philosophy is the biggest death cult the world has seen for a very long time…
        
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        August 1, 2023 9:21pm
- plc
  
  Lloyd Burr has personal reasons behind his National Party hate
  
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  August 1, 2023 8:56am
  - kowtow
    
    Please elaborate.
    
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    August 1, 2023 10:10am
- Grunter
  
  Thanks Warren for confirming to me once again that the MSM is still a corrupt bunch of woke socialists. I haven’t read Stuffed nor the Ferald for at least 18 mths (apart from Stuffed rugby writers that I think are reasonably good).
  
  It is amazing the change in perspective you get when you totally avoid MSM. And it gives you more productive reading time for higher quality alternative media.
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:15am
- kevn
  
  Who wishes the (Key) Waikato expressways would revert back to how they used to be?
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:39am
  - Warren
    
    Funny you should ask that question because I travel Huntly to Hamilton it is good ten minutes quicker on the old road because of the roadworks on the expressway.
    It really pisses me of to see people leaning on there shovel doing absolutely sweet fuck all while the publc are held up in long cues trying to get to Hamilton or returning home.
    
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    August 1, 2023 9:57am
- Tricati
  
  Mr Burr seems to have a large chip(py) on his shoulder that is tilting him left. Haven’t seen an article of his in support of any National policies, nor criticism of Labours performance on Law & Order, Education; let alone the economy.
  
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  August 1, 2023 12:01pm
Bridgenag

COVID vaccines increase risk of serious cardiac events by 18X
Vaccinated kids are experiencing severe cardiac events at a rate 18X higher than their unvaccinated peers. Fact checkers are welcome to validate this. But they won’t. They don’t want to know.

kirschsubstack.com/p/covid-vaccines-increase-risk-of-serious?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

The more early childhood vaccines, the higher the infant death rate
Confirmed in yet another study in the peer-reviewed literature. Not that it will change anyone’s minds in today’s world. But I thought I’d point it out anyway.

kirschsubstack.com/p/the-more-early-childhood-vaccines?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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August 1, 2023 8:03am
- sirknz
  
  Factcheckers will say ‘mostly false, actual results are 17.98 times the rate of unvaccinated kids’.
  
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  August 1, 2023 8:23am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I know, bloody ‘conspiracy theorists’ eh? 😂😂😂
    
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    August 1, 2023 8:50am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Keep pointing it out. Some people want this to all go away, I find the attitude astonishing. We’ve been subjected to the worst government abuses in a couple of generations at least, they effects have been disastrous for so many people, businesses and relationships.
  The country has a mountain of debt, we still have mandates in place, they are still promoting boosters of this experiment, nobody in parliament will even acknowledge the harms that have been done.
  No, remind them at every opportunity, they are all responsible for this nightmare. Never forget and never let them forget.
  
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  August 1, 2023 8:27am
  - Keith White
    
    Peace Crimes Tribunals.
    
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    August 1, 2023 8:30am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Im with you all the way on this Clan.
    Once people realise “It is not going away” the better.
    
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    August 1, 2023 10:30am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      The day the leader of a major political party stand up and says “we got it wrong, it will never happen again”, I’ll say”thank you very much, now what help do you need to sort this debacle out?”
      
      It’s not difficult.
      
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      August 1, 2023 10:46am
      - Ghost
        
        Won’t happen Clan, and we know it won’t because of what’s happening with the WHO and UN.
        
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        August 1, 2023 10:54am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Ghost – you may be right, but it certainly will not happen if we all shut up and roll over.
        You’re correct, covid isn’t the main problem, but it was the very visible warning shot exposing where this can all potentially lead.
        
        I’ll keep speaking out until this abuse is acknowledged or until the day I die. It may be futile but it is not in my nature to roll over and forget this level of abuse. It opens the door for a repeat which will me magnitudes worse than this time.
        
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        August 1, 2023 11:01am
      - Ghost
        
        Next time I expect they will fail as people protest against lockdowns
        
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        August 1, 2023 11:10am
  - mawm
    
    Clan – That is why I keep on beating the drum. The harms are one side of the coin while the loss of freedoms is the other. Expect the latter to be eroded more and more as the communist One World Government exerts its tyrannical control.
    
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    August 1, 2023 1:54pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Safe and effective right?
  That will be $24M thankyou.//
  
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  August 1, 2023 8:41am
- Grunter
  
  I’m genuinely interested to find out why you would Downtick? I totally get opposing points of view, that’s to be encouraged. But what is the argument here? You totally dismiss a peer-reviewed study? You just want to avoid thinking about how bad this is so you just automatically want to say “not true”? Something else?
  I genuinely don’t get it???
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:22am
  - WaynelSexton
    
    The covid vaccine was 99% effective at stopping covid19, according to peer review science.
    Peer reviewed science literally means nothing.
    But yes covid vaccines are poison.
    
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    August 1, 2023 9:36am
    - Handyman
      
      I have seen the 99% figure before.
      Does this mean 99% of people who have the vaccine will not get covid/die from covid?
      OR
      Does it mean the infection rate/death rate will be 99% less than it would have been otherwise?
      
      If the first case then vaccinated populations will have death rates less then 10,000 per million.
      If the second case then vaccinated population will have death rates of less than 30 per million people, assuming 3,000 pm deaths in an unvaccinated population?
      
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      August 1, 2023 10:24am
      - WaynelSexton
        
        It’s made up, just watch the 2 minute montage of it going from 100% to 0% effective.
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M9CKQgDpUM8
        
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        August 1, 2023 11:59am
  - Master Mariner
    
    “I genuinely don’t get it???”
    Heres my take,
    I left school at 15 incidently when i had to learn Shakespear and maths with the alphabet in it.
    I just was,nt interested.
    To endeavour what i needed i always had private tuition on maths just too keep up. Best money ever spent as maths does not come naturally too me and i really have too work at it.
    One tuition while doing complex formulas , He said too me. You are trying to understand it. Dont bother, just know if you follow it you will come out with the right answer.
    Phew, Solid advice.
    Second important lesson is, Everyone does maths differently.
    So with this in mind, My answer too your question is, Dont bother.
    I find the most interesting posts have just as many down ticks as upticks.
    So , In line with Logic , I times them together for a final result, ie 7 likes and 7 downticks makes it 49.
    Everyone applies there maths differently.
    You dont need to get it!
    
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    August 1, 2023 10:53am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Lucky you MM. Numbers for me came natural – don’t kmow why. At high school Form 4 I could multiply 3 numbers against 4 numbers in my head. I went into the metal fabrication, could have been a very high paid accountant.
      But I had two hands and I like making stuff.
      
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      August 1, 2023 3:28pm
    - cjn
      
      Very Funny! Tx
      
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      August 1, 2023 8:03pm
  - surfing
    
    Kirsch is a known nutter …
    
    https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/10/05/1036408/silicon-valley-millionaire-steve-kirsch-covid-vaccine-misinformation/
    
    He still pushes hydroxychloroquine as a covid cure haha.
    
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    August 1, 2023 2:42pm
- kevn
  
  Bridge.. While in NZ, health workers are mandated.
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:41am
- surfing
  
  It’s hilarious reading.
  
  “The results of my survey of 5,684 families (12,511 children) is in.”
  
  I wish all research would start with this line. Comic genius.
  
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  August 1, 2023 2:36pm
Tony Stuart

Two bits of bad news for the Silver Ferns in Cape Town at the World Netball Champs. As if losing shooter Grace Nweke for the rest of the tournament wasn’t bad enough, there’s news this morning that Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta is bound for South Africa to see them while doing some work.

Here’s hoping that Minister Mahuta doesn’t have the same effect on the Ferns as the dressing room visit by Jacinda Ardern, Chris Hipkins and Grant Robertson did on the Football Ferns!
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August 1, 2023 8:06am
- Ehlana
  
  Is the Minister going to South Africa to learn about apartheid?
  
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  August 1, 2023 8:40am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Her in flight reading: “How to apartheid for dummies”
    
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    August 1, 2023 8:48am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Well she had a book on ‘Shackleton’ when going to Antartica, so why not Apartheid for Dummies if going to SA?
      
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      August 1, 2023 3:30pm
  - Simon
    
    Separate development for Maori. According to Wellington they can’t make it in the real world.
    
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    August 1, 2023 8:53am
  - mandk
    
    That’s what I wondered.
    
    Perhaps she’s there to learn how to make apartheid work better this time.
    
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    August 1, 2023 8:54am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Or a visit to Julius Milema .
      
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      August 1, 2023 10:57am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  “while doing some work”. Is grifting considered work these days?
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:35am
Chuck Bird

Did anyone hear Hosking talk about Kiri Allan’s behaviour when she was arrested?
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August 1, 2023 8:07am
- cas
  
  Nothing in the media about what she reportedly told police. Where did Mike get all that from – a police leak? Interesting to find out, if we ever will, about who downgraded the charges.
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:02am
- Waipuk
  
  After this story broke I mentioned it would have been a “Do you know who I am moment”.
  
  Plus the stories of her robust discussions she has had with stuff I am not surprised.
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:08am
- PeeJay
  
  Was very interesting was it not? Abuse, losing your job in the morning – wow! And the charge was still downgraded to ‘failing to accompany’ rather than the originally reported ‘resisting arrest’. I’m sure our brave defenders of the truth, aka the media, will hold power to account and accurately and fully report on the court proceedings……ha!!!
  
  I hope one of our few remaining journalists have issued a few OIA’s over this. Timing would be critical. When was the evidentiary breath test that resulted in the lower drink driving charge administered? When and why did the charge change to careless driving?
  
  I suspect the final charges have been influenced by Police HQ – suspect this is why you have some stories now emerging from front line police officers, and extremely pissed off police officers, like the one reported by Hosking this morning.
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:09am
  - Ghost
    
    The charges people originally know came from hipkins, not from the police, so we don’t know if they were downgraded or not as the police never released what she was being charged with until later on
    
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    August 1, 2023 9:30am
- Grunter
  
  No surprises – but does confirm how awful and rabid she is. And raises the question of the police decision to down grade from resisting arrest to the lesser charge.
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:26am
- Clyde
  
  I suspect that quite a few front-line officers such as the ones that had to deal with this entitled racist, are really pissed off that they are then directed from upstairs how to treat the offender differently. Losing her job is not the consequence of her activity. That came about because she couldn’t be a Minister while having demonstrated her willingness to break the law.
  
  Hipkins evasion – still an active Police investigation – just doesn’t wash. He knew – along with the rest of the Liemore caucus – that Allan is a right piece of work but got away with all her behaviour because of her various diversity traits.
  
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  August 1, 2023 10:20am
- JimBobJoe
  
  at what time was this piece on Allen by Mike H?
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:28pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I travelled to work and was there at 7.20 he was about to say what he was going to say about Allan would have been before 7.30 maybe just after
    
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    August 1, 2023 11:07pm
Souvlaki

Oh Happy Day😄!

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2023/08/01/boom-roy-morgan-poll-mmp-spectrum-splintering-labour-party-collapse/
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August 1, 2023 8:19am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Outstanding. Of note, NZF at 5%. As predicted.
  National, do you want to remove this thorn in your side?
  
  Acknowledge the harms and abuses of the covid policies of the last 3 years which you fully endorsed.
  
  Then demolish what is left of mandates and emergency legislation that was used to abuse people and destroy lives and businesses.
  
  Then apologise for allowing yourselves to be conned by Labour and their ‘experts’.
  
  Then promise it will never happen again.
  
  Another prediction. Do it and you’ll get damn close to 40%.
  
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  August 1, 2023 8:34am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    40% Hear hear what that man said.
    Make sure Labour get no where near the target.
    
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    August 1, 2023 8:47am
  - Scott
    
    Clan, no they won’t. Many NZers still believe in the covid policies. Apologising for them by National, who were not the government at the time, will only cause National problems.
    
    Many NZers think like you but many don’t. If I were National I’d carry on as they are. Become the government. Then hold an enquiry into the covid policy. Then talk about what they have learned as a result of the enquiry.
    
    Apologising today for a covid policy which they did not institute is only fraught with peril.
    
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    August 1, 2023 9:02am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Thanks Scott, and aside from the ‘you wanted granny to die’ brigade who still think we did wonderfully, there are more likely more that simply do not care about the Covid discussion beyond it being a waste and a failure & another bad policy from government.
      It does not excite any emotion or even mention amongst my social or professional circles, even when the topic of government routinely comes up.
      Outside of Twitter and Blogs, there are other matters that are concerning people day to day, and it is not what happened in 2020 or 2021. It is what we are staring in the face in 2023 and beyond.
      
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      August 1, 2023 10:25am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Scott, one problem with that point of view. Firstly, the lies we were told to compel people to play this insane game are now exposed for anyone to see.
      
      There may be a few idiots who will remain in denial, because they are total cowards and can’t admit they were wrong, but this time their is actual evidence that it was all lies. This time we aren’t dependent on manipulation, propaganda and a bought media. The receipts are all there.
      
      No, National didn’t implement them, what they did was criticise Labour for not imposing the draconian measures hard enough. Anyone who was negatively impacted knows this and will never forget it.
      
      I’m not asking for an apology from National. I’m asking for an acknowledgement that there was tremendous abuse and harm done to totally innocent people. This is a provable fact.
      
      We know Labour did it. National can acknowledge this with a guaranteed net gain in support. National were also led to by Labour.
      Continuing to pretend it didn’t happen and hope nobody notices is cowardly and strong on every level.
      
      We don’t need an inquiry, we know what happened and we know who did it. It’s time to admit this and then we can move on.
      
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      August 1, 2023 10:57am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        That is bullshit, I clearly remember Bridges rubbishing the government from his committee, he was pounded for dearing to rubbish the useless government’s covid crimes
        
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        August 1, 2023 11:10pm
    - mawm
      
      Scott – there is much more to this than just pretending it’s okay that so many people were harmed and that mandates were not an assault on freedom. It is also about what the National party and the ACT party stand for. They have both ditched any pretence of standing up for our sovereign rights when it comes to government overreach, and it is their failure to stand up for our bodily autonomy and to the blatant contravention of Nuremberg and Helsinki and our BoR.
      
      This is about preserving our liberal democracy.
      
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      August 1, 2023 2:22pm
  - coge
    
    Of course that would be the right thing to do. Luxon eagerly participated in Ardern’s doctrine of dehumanization, segregation and economic persecution of the Kiwi population. He wasn’t thinking then, and he clearly doesn’t know any better now. Remember this when you cast your ballots.
    
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    August 1, 2023 9:25am
  - PeeJay
    
    I think your approach is broadly sensible but I also think there are two problems with this approach which is why neither National nor ACT will do as you suggest.
    
    The first is that to apologise for something you think was wrong, well you kind of need to believe it was wrong. I’m not really sure that National believes this was wrong. Remember that some of them, including some high profile MP’s, went ‘all in’ on the covid response. I’m really not sure they believe they were wrong.
    
    The second issue is pragmatism. Very few politicians make apologies. It’s a word they try to avoid at all costs. While the public can be pretty forgiving of a politician who puts their hands up and says they got something wrong (we all make mistakes), the media control the narrative and a left leaning media will spin the apology out of all context. Accusations about uncertainty, history of u-turns & backtracking, how can you trust them when they change their mind etc, these are all the things a left-leaning media would use against National or ACT.
    
    For what it’s worth, ACT disappoint me most on this. National need the centre voter (or have decided they do) so don’t want to spook the horses – I know it seems crazy but I think there is still strong sentiment out there that ‘Jacinda saved 80,000 grannies’ – it’s just too soon for some people to acknowledge they were sold a lemon.
    
    ACT disappoint me though as they could easily make amends as you suggest and either survive unscathed or actually thrive.
    
    Regardless, Winston might just ride this back into parliament.
    
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    August 1, 2023 9:29am
  - Grunter
    
    I would prefer ACT to do that rather than the Nats. I’m starting to worry that the Nats will get too many votes. We need ACT at 20%+
    
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    August 1, 2023 9:33am
    - Ghost
      
      You’ll never get ACT at 20%. You won’t even get them at 15%
      
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      August 1, 2023 9:39am
      - David Garrett
        
        Ghost: Well, one never knows. Five years ago ACT had just the one MP, and he was only there courtesy of the Nats. Everyone was predicting they would soon fade into oblivion. Fast forward five years, and they have 10, and are on track to get 14 or 15.
        
        While 20% for ACT would be some achievement, it could possibly happen. I have to be honest and say that in my view their current polling is more down to piss weak Nat leaders than anything else.
        
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        August 1, 2023 9:52am
      - Grunter
        
        I’ll take that bet Ghost.
        
        ACT will get 15% or more of the Party vote on Oct 14th.
        
        Winner gets bragging rights on KB.
        
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        August 1, 2023 10:08am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Act will never be 20% they have peaked and have dropped in the last couple of polls
      
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      August 1, 2023 11:13pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Then people are idiots
    
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    August 1, 2023 9:34am
  - KiwiSapper
    
    National ain’t going to do it … not with the woke Leader hanging around their individual necks like the dead albatross.
    
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    August 1, 2023 9:39am
- peterwn
  
  Not quite -Winston on 5% might let the old b- back in.
  
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  August 1, 2023 8:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I don’t like that idea. No more tail wagging the dog.
    It is blackmail.
    
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    August 1, 2023 8:48am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      Hate to say it Steve, but with MMP there will always be some degree of tail wagging unless you end up with an absolute majority as labour did. The real issue is whether the wagging power can be responsibly managed by the waggee – something this country hasn’t experienced so far – here’s hoping …..
      
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      August 1, 2023 9:37am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I helped vote MMP in without understanding how minorities could blackmail the larger Parties to form a Govt.
        
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        August 1, 2023 11:02am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I’ve posted above how to prevent it happening. Take the covid and race oxygen away from him. He’ll be gone.
    
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    August 1, 2023 8:53am
    - Bridgenag
      
      YES I send that fact to Act and National when they email. Here are the Act emails
      
      ACT MPs:
      
      David Seymour, david.seymour@parliament.govt.nz
      (for Epsom Electorate matters mpepsom@parliament.govt.nz)
      Brooke van Velden, brooke.vanvelden@parliament.govt.nz
      Nicole McKee, nicole.mckee@parliament.govt.nz
      Chris Baillie, chris.baillie@parliament.govt.nz
      Simon Court, simon.court@parliament.govt.nz
      James McDowall, james.mcdowall@parliament.govt.nz
      Karen Chhour, karen.chhour@parliament.govt.nz
      Mark Cameron, mark.cameron@parliament.govt.nz
      Toni Severin, toni.severin@parliament.govt.nz
      Damien Smith Damien.smith@parliament.govt.nz
      
      If you have a question that is not for any particular MP please send to Annette Gratkowski Annette.Gratkowski@parliament.govt.nz
      
      If you have questions regarding donating or joining the party, please contact Danae Smith, danae.smith@act.org.nz
      
      President of ACT New Zealand, Henry Lynch, henry.lynch@act.org.nz
      
      If you have any matters relating to election campaign, please contact Stuart Wilson, stuart.wilson@act.org.nz.
      
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      August 1, 2023 10:00am
- PeeJay
  
  That’s a wonderful link – Bomber losing his shit like this is sooo funny!
  
  My personal favourite was his line at the end – “Labour either grows a spine, takes GST off all food or they hand this election over to the hard Right.”
  
  How messed up in the head do you need to be to consider National, or even ACT, as “hard right”? Seriously? Hyperbole much? Jeez Louise!
  
  Someone needs to take a long deep breath and get back in touch with reality!
  
  Let the left v left meltdown begin!!!
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:15am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Meh. He’s always like this: hysterical and florid. The product of being nothing more than a Lefty, political activist for his entire fucking life, built around opening his big gob and yelling constantly, for which The Daily Blog and more so his podcasts are perfectly suited.
    
    As such it’s also amusing to see him constantly whinging about not getting public funding for his podcast when shite like The Spinoff, although he has a point and I appreciate that he invites the likes of Seymour, Farrer and Damien Grant on to his show, which is actually not a bad watch although the florid hysteria is there at the start and end.
    
    Maybe it’s just performative and done with a knowing wink?
    
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    August 1, 2023 9:33am
Chuck Bird

FYI

Staff from three further agencies had concerns about Kiri Allan’s office

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132653192/staff-from-three-further-agencies-had-concerns-about-kiri-allans-office
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August 1, 2023 8:20am
- Loddenthinks
  
  My goodness they’re spinning so hard they must be getting nauseous by now – I know I am.
  
  Let me make this absolutely clear: there weren’t any agencies that had concerns about workplace relations in Kiri Allan’s office.
  
  There were, however, seemingly a lot of people who were sick and tired of being shouted at, and subsequently complained about Kiri Allan’s very poor behaviour.
  
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  August 1, 2023 8:42am
  - Ruawai
    
    Hipkins said on am show this morning that there were in fact complaints but he thought he had dealt with them.
    
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    August 1, 2023 9:25am
    - Beach Haven expat
      
      But… but… but… he and Kiri told us there were no formal complaints when it all blew up a few weeks ago. I for one took the Prime Minister at his word, never once suspecting he and Kiri would be choosing their words carefully so as to deceive the public. I feel so betrayed.
      //sarc. Actually let’s call it for what it is – barefaced lying to New Zealand. I’m not suggesting politicians haven’t lied since the year dot but they used to have the honour that if caught out they’d exit stage left.
      
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      August 1, 2023 2:03pm
  - Gravyman2
    
    I wonder if she has ever been tested for meth use. This is sounding very familiar…
    
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    August 1, 2023 9:27am
- Simon
  
  If Nz had a social credit system like China then presumably Allan’s score would be so low she couldn’t even catch a bus.
  
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  August 1, 2023 8:56am
Biscuit

Apologies for the loud – and frequent – guffaws emanating from Chez Biscuit this a.m…

I have Chippie’s said-with-a-straight-face ‘We have an abundance of talent’ quote on repeat-mode…

Never fails to amuse me…
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August 1, 2023 8:21am
- Nickc2
  
  He could hardly say anything else could he, given that lies, are all his Govt has to offer for anything in an Election Year.
  
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  August 1, 2023 8:41am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Orange man bad, but the other guy is untouchable. Let’s indict Trump but not worry about the Biden extended family and all of the shell companies.
Video Ted Cruz included.

https://billingsreport.com/multiple-banks-filed-over-170-suspicious-activity-reports-on-the-bidens/
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August 1, 2023 8:21am
Hugh Jarse

Surely now the media must start questioning when Labour will toss Hipkins and install a new Leader, probably Ginny now in an attempt to do a Jacinda reprise. They spent so much time chasing Luxon over when he was going to resign when his numbers were down but increasing, they must do the same with now that Hipkins numbers are down and dropping further. ?
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August 1, 2023 8:23am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Leave him in place, I want to see the former covid minister suffer the ignominy of him and his party being wiped out at the election. Nasty little pos.
  
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  August 1, 2023 8:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ginny as PM? This is the Minister who wanted to know how a man wearing a bracelet was able to get a license to buy a gun! She is as thick as two short planks.
  
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  August 1, 2023 8:58am
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    And therefore ideal material for the new Labour Leader Steve !
    
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    August 1, 2023 9:19am
  - Flossie
    
    She said she was “interested” to know how he got hold of a gun. Not demanding to know how this could have happened!
    
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    August 1, 2023 9:41am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I don’t remember where I read it, but the words “how” and “interested” seem to be looking in the same direction.
      As I said, thick as two short planks!
      
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      August 1, 2023 3:34pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Newshub poll tomorrow, interesting to see the pm numbers
  
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  August 1, 2023 11:18pm
Biscuit

Oh, I forgot:

A happy birthday to every Southern Hemisphere thoroughbred…

1 August is their communal ‘birthdate’…

A PARTICULAR shout-out to that wonderful Redzel, actually foaled on 19 September 2012, winner of the two first Everest races at Randwick in Sydney; both with wondrous additions to my bank balances!

The 2023 Everest is on on 14 October – which just happens to also be Get-Chippie’s-Lot-Out-Of-Government Day – and I shall be in attendance fresh from having hand-fed a grateful carrot or six to Redzel in his retirement paddock in Castlereigh…
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August 1, 2023 8:23am
Maggie Pie

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August 1, 2023 8:23am
- Biscuit
  
  Get in here NOW, Maggie, and PICK UP THAT DOT!
  
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  August 1, 2023 8:54am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If I close my right eye and squint with the left, I can see what you wrote.
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:53am
Maggie Pie

Kiri Allan tells police in the Watch House they will be losing their jobs.

– Mike Hosking 1ZB Breakfast @ 8:24
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August 1, 2023 8:27am
- Tony Stuart
  
  It was actually in the 7.35am interview with Hipkins, but who’s counting?
  
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  August 1, 2023 8:30am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    It was on twice.
    
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    August 1, 2023 8:32am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Who’s up at that time silly?
    
    He just repeated it 10 minutes ago.
    
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    August 1, 2023 8:33am
  - My
    
    Do they still do Dancing with the Stars? Has to be the next move for Chippie after the election. He was dancing on the head of a pin in the Hosking interview this morning.
    
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    August 1, 2023 8:42am
    - Bridgenag
      
      Hoskins?
      
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      August 1, 2023 1:08pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Well hopefully someone will now OIA the CCTV footage from the Watchhouse along with all radio call tapes, telephone calls to the Comms Centre, notebook entries, by involved staff.
  
  Hosking also raised the issue of the downgrading of the charges, that needs an independent review as to what’s gone on with those. Clearly Labour are just happy to have this drip fed out over the next two months. Great stuff !
  
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  August 1, 2023 8:43am
  - Ghost
    
    No, this is a case before the courts now.
    
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    August 1, 2023 9:35am
- peterwn
  
  Not quite -Winston on 5% might let the old b- back in.
  Sounds like a variation on ‘Dont you know who I am’ That lost a job – the person who uttered it.
  
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  August 1, 2023 8:43am
- DimChappie
  
  Here’s a transcript of the good bits about Kiri from ZB today:
  
  Hosking: Did you get to the bottom of what happened that night with Kiri Allan when police were involved?
  
  Hipkins: It’s not appropriate for me as PM to ask police questions about an active investigation.
  
  Hosking: Well didn’t they ring you?
  
  Hipkins: The commissioner of police informed the Minister of Police that a minister of the crown had been arrested. That is appropriate. It is not appropriate for me as PM to be asking for details of an active police investigation.
  
  Hosking: Here is what the police told me. The dog handler who attended the incident said that Kiri’s behaviour at the scene was atrocious – abusing and swearing at the police staff and then when she was taken to custody, she told the custody sergeant and his staff they would all be losing their jobs.
  
  And the thing that has upset the police at the moment – and you’d be interested in this being a former Police minister – is that the charge was down graded to Failing to Accompany. Does that concern you in any way or not really?
  
  Hipkins: It is an active police investigation and ministers of the crown need to be treated the same as any other member of the public and when they break the rules, they should face the same consequences. And in this case the consequences are higher in that she no longer has her job.
  
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  August 1, 2023 10:10am
- surfing
  
  I do hope they charge her with some kind of corruption offence too then.
  
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  August 1, 2023 2:44pm
Tony Stuart

Which is more career-limiting; “”You will all be losing your jobs.” or “Do you know who I am?”?

Asking for a friend…
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August 1, 2023 8:32am
- Chuck Bird
  
  You will all be losing your jobs.
  
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  August 1, 2023 8:33am
  - Colville
    
    No.
    
    One was uttered by a white male and the other by a brown female.
    
    So one has been publicized and the other buried.
    
    Those details make all the difference.
    
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    August 1, 2023 12:45pm
    - Local Miller
      
      Worse than that, a “cys” white male and lesbian brown female. These two are on the extreme ends of the “how do we report this” scale.
      
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      August 1, 2023 2:53pm
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/the-new-three-waters-bosses-and-why-their-pay-is-so-extraordinary/NA3WZXLF5FET7ACH3DMGCF5XEI/

The pigs are all at the trough . The cost is already astronomical. But, it just gets added to the debt pile given the government has no money anyway.

This government has made so many dead rats I don’t know where to look.
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August 1, 2023 8:32am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You won’t get fresh water until you remove the dead pigs upstream.
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:02am
- Bloody Dago
  
  Reset Te Rat Traps and you will a snap the necks of a heap more trying to flee the scene of the worst government in NZ history.
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:43am
Biscuit

I’m with Maggie, who was listening at that hour?

[Mind, I rarely listen to radio…]

What was the context of the ‘You will all be losing your jobs’?
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August 1, 2023 8:37am
- DeepBlue
  
  Kiri at arrest
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:17am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Police allege that’s what Kiri Allan said to them when she was in custody at the Wellington police station. They also said she was abusive and swearing when arrested.
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:46am
Tomtoddy

“As global warming tips into global boiling… “. “The planet is on fire”. “…we are in the midst of a biodiversity crisis, and that collapsing ecosystems threaten human survival”. “..the era of global boiling has begun”.

We are supposed to take this writer seriously – she is a noted Dame. Really?? It hasn’t reached 10 degrees at my place yet and the only thing boiling is the jug. The more lies and the more ridiculous the exaggeration the less likely most of us are going to believe and act.
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August 1, 2023 8:37am
- alloytoo
  
  OMG how did the Vikings and Romans survive?
  
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  August 1, 2023 8:44am
- kowtow
  
  And given their literally looney net zero or whatever other catch phrase they use policies , there’ll quickly come a time when boiling the jug won’t be a certainty .
  
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  August 1, 2023 8:56am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The narrative is failing so they are becoming ever more hysterical, this leads to even more evidence that their narrative is a lie. More people notice, so they shriek ever louder. Like the worst ‘Karen’ on steroids.
  It’s a pleasure to watch this implosion which is long overdue.
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:01am
- Akitio
  
  If you delve a bit deeper, you will discover that the “hottest day in history” headline has the added rider that it is “since 1979”. Shit, that makes me prehistoric.
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:04am
  - mawm
    
    I forget – was 1979 when we were heading for a new ice-age, or was it when the acid-rain was destroying all our forests, but it was probably prior to the hole in the ozone layer panic. I might have to chop down a tree in my garden and see what the ‘rings’ tell me.
    
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    August 1, 2023 2:55pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    You mean that in 1979 it was warmer?
    
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    August 25, 2023 9:48am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Frequent private jet passenger, John Kerry, admits that destruction of the farming industry is essential to achieving ‘Net Zero’
  
  Oh sure, not his exact words because he’s political and knows brutal truths would kill his ideas, but as the governments of Holland and Ireland are finding, all the mush in the world about “reducing agricultural GHG emissions” eventually arrives at the only real solution – outright cuts in production, starting with farm animal numbers.
  
  The Greens have whinged for years about the likes of DPF “mis-characterising” their demands when he’s cracked jokes about how the Greens want to kill one out of every five dairy cows in NZ, but they must be close to just openly embracing that now.
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:42am
- Bloody Dago
  
  There was some commentary on SKY News Australia last night on the Greek and Turkish fires. The word is the Greek Arsonists Appreciation Society have been holding weekly “twilight” meetings.
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:50am
- WaynelSexton
  
  11,000 to 5000 years ago earth was two degrees warmer and the Sahara was green.
  Warming is good, but too bad the actual trend is cooling of 0.1 to 0.3c a millennium.
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:50am
- Ruawai
  
  Climate boiling is the new climate change which was the new climate warming.
  
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  August 1, 2023 10:36am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Whats next ?
    Climate pressure cooker ? //
    
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    August 1, 2023 11:08am
    - mawm
      
      Nuclear meltdown?
      
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      August 1, 2023 2:58pm
oldpark

Just a sniff on Latest Roy Morgan poll for July 2023.

The latest survey from the Australian pollsters also shows bumper levels of support for minor parties, with Winston Peters’ populist New Zealand First set for a sensational return to parliament.

A near-constant wave of scandal and distraction appears to be weighing on the Labour government, which switched leaders from Dame Jacinda Ardern to Chris Hipkins in January.

Support for Labour sunk to 26 per cent in Roy Morgan’s July poll, down from 30.5 last month and well below their historic 50 per cent 2020 election result.

In contrast, voters are liking what they see from centre-right opposition National, which rose 3.5 points to 33.5.

Roy Morgan chief executive Michele Levine said the result was “the lowest level of combined support for the governing Labour-Greens since they were elected to government in late 2017 nearly six years ago.”

“The news in mid-June that New Zealand has officially entered into a recession appears to have knocked the wind out of Labour’s chances of winning the election,” she said.

Support for the two major parties fell again to a combined 59.5 per cent, suggesting voters are casting about for different ideas.

The highest-polling minor party is National’s likely coalition partner ACT, a right-wing libertarian group, at 14 per cent.

Replicated into parliamentary representation, National and ACT combined would have 61 MPs in the 120-seat house.

Labour’s caucus of 65 at the last election would be halved to just 33 MPs.

On these numbers, Labour would have two possible coalition partners: the Greens – which polled nine per cent or 12 MPs – and the Maori Party – with six per cent or eight MPs – for a total of 53 MPs.

New Zealand First has polled five per cent: right on the threshold to guarantee parliamentary representation under New Zealand’s mixed-member proportional system.

NZ First governed with Labour in their first term before crashing out of parliament in 2020, and leader Winston Peters has vowed never to work with Labour again.

Mr Peters has courted anti-vax sentiment, railing against “bloated out-of-touch Wellington bureaucrats” and “woke sociological extremists” on the campaign trail.

The poll also brought good news too for self-described “radical centrists” TOP, which polled four per cent.

On these numbers, Raf Manji’s party is just one per cent away from sending MPs to Wellington for the first time in its seven-year history.

Beyond the confirmation of a recession, Labour has endured a dour last six weeks, losing two ministers amid revelations of a divisive cabinet battle over tax policy.

As well as surveying party support, Roy Morgan also polls Kiwis on whether they think things are headed in the right or wrong direction.

In another marker of doom for the incumbent government, a record number now feel negatively about the future, with 29 per cent putting New Zealand on the right track, and 60.5 per cent on the wrong track.

ROY MORGAN NEW ZEALAND JULY POLL

National – 33.5 (up 3.5)

Labour – 26 (down 4.5)

ACT – 14 (down 1)

Greens – 9 (down 0.5)

Maori – 6 (down 1)

NZ First – 5 (up 2)

TOP – 4 (up 1)
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August 1, 2023 8:39am
- Matt Long
  
  Can’t believe TOP is really that high, but soft Labour may be leaning towards TOP’s “moderate” policies.
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:56am
Kiwiguy

I noticed in the wake of the poll this morning, that Martyn Bradbury is saying that the only way Labour can regain some ground is to take GST off all foods.
Such an ignorant idea, because we all know that the GST amount will quickly be eroded by increased profits for the supermarkets – they price their products according to what the market will stand.
The only winners will be the supermarkets.
The losers will be the public; and the govt with a reduced GST intake.
It really is a simple intelligence test.
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August 1, 2023 8:46am
- wsk12345
  
  If you really want to give poor people $7 extra per week (gst on $50 of fruit and veg) a much more efficient way would be to give them a bloody supermarket voucher each year for $350 which can only be spent on F&v.
  
  But that’s not why they want to do this is it.
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:47am
  - Matt Long
    
    The best reason for it is that it makes life even tougher for the corner dairies that somehow have to account for different GST rates on their stock while the supermarkets just have to do some high level coding changes.
    There’s a suggestion that fascism is a collaborative effort between big government and big corporations, but I couldn’t possibly comment.
    
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    August 1, 2023 10:01am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Interesting,
      Mussolini stated “Fascism is the combing of State and large corporations”
      I mean he would know a thing or 2 right ?
      So in reply, Why would you not make a small diary GST Exepmpt of everything ?
      And remove GST from Fruit and veges from the large supermarkets / corporations ?
      
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      August 1, 2023 11:18am
- mandk
  
  The latest data I have seen on expenditure on food and non-alcoholic beverages was for 2021, and it was $24.2 bn.
  
  Price have probably gone up by 20% since then, which would bring it to a fraction over $29 bn now.
  
  Removing GST on this amount would, therefore, result in lost tax revenue of around $4.4 bn.
  
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  August 1, 2023 10:00am
- miltonF
  
  I know you guys really really want to believe this stuff, but it doesn’t work this way. This is Labour voter/Grant Robertson style logic. You’d have to be extremely brave to agree with the finance minister and his track record on economic understanding.
  
  We even have a recent example with the temporary reduction in fuel taxes. Prices dropped when the tax was removed. Prices rose when the tax was reinstated. Taxes make things more expensive. It really is THAT simple and it shouldn’t surprise anyone because that is the PURPOSE of taxes.
  
  According to your economic theory, when the tax was removed on petrol, prices should not have changed at all because “fuel companies will just maximise profit and raise prices” Also, when John Key raised GST to 15%, this should not have ANY impact on prices, because the public is already paying the maximum they can and businesses are already charging maximum. Therefore the tax would have to come out of the company’s margins. That’s not what happened though was it? Prices increased by 2.5%.
  
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  August 1, 2023 2:18pm
Maggie Pie

A lot of my friends sincerely believe time is finally up for humanity 🙁

Surely the Second-Coming must be nigh….

https://twitter.com/OliLondonTV/status/1685469307604471808

(full screen/sound up)
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August 1, 2023 8:48am
- Blog-aholic
  
  No, just no. Where is the Flammenwerfer?
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:01am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Sad that gender dysphoria is no longer considered a delusion and mental illness like anorexia.
    Because of this, and trans-nutters and fetishists hijacking the ‘rainbow’ movement, it seems that child adoption is also being accepted for genuinely sick and potentially dangerous people.
    This is a level of genuine disgusting child abuse of a vulnerable human being beyond the any debatable concern over a child having 2 (biological but gay) mums or dads.
    The child should be removed.
    Next step, normalising ‘minor attracted persons’ and letting them adopt. what could possibly go wrong? I hate to think what other things they two creatures in this video might do.
    The pair should be institutionalised. They need some sort of strong medication and therapy.
    
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    August 1, 2023 11:42am
- surfing
  
  Child abuse!
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:07am
- Opie
  
  Is it getting any milk?
  “No”
  
  No shit you dumbasses.
  
  These people need locking up. Bring back the mental institutions
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:44am
- Local Miller
  
  The drugs being prescribed to trans-woman to make it possible for them to “chest” feed are so bad for infants that they are not allowed to be given to pregnant or lactating woman.
  50 years ago people like me were talking about the gay agenda as being a slippery slope. Are you believing us yet? My fear is that we haven’t even hit the bottom yet.
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:45am
Surely Knott

What is eveidence of delusion?

“Upon arriving in Timaru, Dickason made a number of observations about the people being unkempt and the children at school looking sad.

It took her three hours to shop for three days worth of groceries and she described feeling scared.

In her formal opinion, Hatters-Friedman concluded that these were all signs that Dickason was suffering from delusions as a result of her depression.”

Really. Lots of people arriving from overseas might observe our culture is how shall we say….very casual.
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August 1, 2023 8:50am
- mandk
  
  When I came to NZ in 2003, it struck me that NZers tended to be scruffy dressers.
  
  I commented on this to my boss, and he told me that the definition of formal dress here is wearing matching socks!
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:47am
Keith White

“…The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

“Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.

“…And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
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August 1, 2023 8:51am
- NothingLeft
  
  “Things fall apart; the center cannot hold;
  Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world”
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  Where we find ourselves at the moment.
  
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  August 1, 2023 10:57am
Chuck Bird

I believe that the POS who bashed an elderly lady is due in court on 10 August. Has anyone got any more details?
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August 1, 2023 9:05am
ClanMcleod

Anyone who is interested in how the whole covid narrative was enabled, how the voices of genuine experts who spoke out against the insane policies were shut down, their reputations shredded. Here is an excellent post explaining how the whole process works.

Professor Norman Fenton is a British mathematician and computer scientist. He is the Professor of Risk Information Management in the School of Electronic Engineering and Computer Science at Queen Mary University of London.

This is his story.

Last month I reported on how I got cancelled from the NHS Health and Care Analytics Conference 2023.

In response, I sent the following (more or less the same) subject access request letter to the various organisations involved in the conference, namely Birmingham University who hosted the conference, The NHS Strategy Unit, who organised the conference, and the various NHS Trusts supporting the conference.

He gives a detailed timeline of the astonishing campaign against him to shut him out of the conversation. It is all documented here.

https://wherearethenumbers.substack.com/p/cancelled-by-the-nhs-an-heavily-redacted

This is why the truth has been so hard to uncover. But the floodgates are opening. Tick tock.
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August 1, 2023 9:12am
- kevn
  
  Clan.. I am surprised to see this Fenton cancel is so recent. The old c19 narrative is still strong in some quarters.
  What are they frightened of?
  We know.
  
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  August 1, 2023 10:17am
Yvette

Labour’s transport spokesperson David Parker claimed National’s costings for four of the party’s new roads of national significance are “literally billions of dollars short” and the party’s explanation on how it plans to pay for them is “woefully light”

But Labour’s 3 Waters legislation is all based on the premise that Councils will otherwise face expenses of $120 billion to $185 billion – so with a plausibility gap $60 billion …
National comes nowhere near Labour’s league when it comes to pot-holes
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August 1, 2023 9:23am
- Tony Stuart
  
  National say they have erred on the high side when making cost projections for the various reading projects. And interestingly, some of the numbers David Parker is criticising came from – drum roll please – David Parker’s office!
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:49am
- I remember when
  
  Yvette:
  Instead of giving you the day off, we are going to get you to evaluate National’s roading policy announcement costs.
  
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  August 1, 2023 12:42pm
DeepBlue

Labour went into the 2020 election on a Covid high, confident they didn’t need policy.

Labour goes into the 2023 election on a low, not releasing any new policy.

If it ain’t ideology then they don’t have any idea.

(Ps Hipkins now agrees the Wellington airport should be transport priority…what have they been doing for 9 6 years??… 15 years of neglect.)
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August 1, 2023 9:26am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/large-crowd-expected-in-whakatane/

This will be live streamed as well.

Platform Interview – Michael Laws – Julian Batchelor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQfKiCYZC8A&t=2463s
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August 1, 2023 9:28am
Bobba Fret

When are these people going to learn that when police signal for you to stop, you actually stop. At least this bloke in Timaru will not re-offend.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/two-serious-crashes-overnight-in-timaru-and-christchurch/6SSSWFQTCRB4NHTQ2PIALVK6C4/
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August 1, 2023 9:38am
Maggie Pie

OMG…all these losers phoning Talkback this morning moaning that Banks should recompense people who have lost money to scammers.
What about personal responsibilty?
Unless you have your own private banking wealth manager these days, don’t think for a moment you can rely on a ‘Teller’ for advice. The only time I ever go into a branch is to get a print out of our TD accounts…and thats just for entertainment, to see the look on the tellers face.
When it comes to money….TRUST NO ONE is the best advice.
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August 1, 2023 10:08am
- Blog-aholic
  
  What about personal responsibilty?
  
  Gone with sanity, common sense and sense of self.
  
  The vision of neo-marxism is that government holds your hand while you pee least you whizz on your foot.
  
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  August 1, 2023 10:12am
- Biscuit
  
  One thing puzzles me, Maggie – though I agree wholeheartedly with your Caveat Emptor point:
  
  I can’t deposit – or withdraw – $1,000 from my NZ TAB Account without having to prove provenance, heh – where I got the money to start with, who I had to sleep with to get it, and what I propose doing with it if they let me use it (deposit or withdrawal) with them.
  
  The banks, presumably, have similar policies.
  
  Why can’t they – for, say, anything over $25,000 – operate a policy where there’s a freeze for 24 hours or so on such transfers as have got these scam-victims into strife?
  
  Or, say, to freeze the accounts the sums are being transferred to until they are proven kosher?
  
  Mind, if I were the bank I’d be demanding that the potential scam victims tick a box that says ‘We (your kind bank) are suspicious of this transaction. If you proceed, do you understand that we, your kind bank, will laugh hysterically if you scream for compensation for what, provably, has been your own folly’…
  
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  August 1, 2023 10:26am
  - Local Miller
    
    “if I were the bank I’d be demanding that the potential scam victims tick a box that says ‘We (your kind bank) are suspicious of this transaction”
    
    I recently had to do 5 x $100,000 transfers out of an account into 5 separate overseas and local accounts as part of an inheritance pay out. For EACH ONE I was asked:
    Do you know this person?
    Are you sure this isn’t a scam?
    Are you aware that if this is a scam you may not be able to get your money back?
    There are limits on how much you can transfer without being quized like this. If you get scammed it’s generally because you haven’t done your homework. If you want the bank to pay out when you love money, the onus is on you to prove the bank was liable/negligent.
    
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    August 1, 2023 3:13pm
Swifty

NZ schools are increasingly banning kids using phones during the school day:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TvdT8yNlZdw

I’m still stunned that they were ever allowed in the first place. It was a disaster waiting to happen.
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August 1, 2023 10:12am
Keith White

“In October 2022, the FAA quietly changed the electrocardiogram (“ECG”) parameters for pilots to accommodate people who have a cardiac injury – suggesting that the vaccine had been causing a huge number of pilots to fail their screening. In its updated ‘Guide for Aviation Medical Examiners’, the FAA widened the ECG parameters beyond the normal range – from a PR max of 0.2. And they didn’t widen the range by a little, they widened it by a lot…”

But hey, it’s not as if airline pilots need to have stable heart rhythms to fly safely. /sarc
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August 1, 2023 10:14am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  It will take a plane to crash before that detail hits the public eye
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:35pm
Master Mariner

When reality meets ideology.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/31/rishi-sunak-approval-100-new-north-sea-oil-and-gas-licences-fossil-fuel-climate-crisis
When will reality sink in here ?
It is not a case of announcing , We are open for business.
Mean time we are truly at the mercy of foreign importation and pricing.
The reason why Oil is low is the US is selling off its stategic reserves.
Inflation in NZ is here to stay once US starts filling reserves too the very fact the price of oil will rocket up.
Meantime NZ relies on a ” just in time ” supply model.
My mind boggles.
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August 1, 2023 10:24am
Ruawai

At the supermarket this week piles of free RAT’s, presume this is the governments way of emptying the warehouses full of RAT’s so as not to embarrass the government any more.
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August 1, 2023 10:38am
- Keith White
  
  There were 2 piles each of about 1.5 cubic metres of RAT boxes either side of the walkway through Customs / International Arrivals at AKL airport last week. Trying to dump the expensive surplus without actually dumping it.
  
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  August 1, 2023 11:31am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Tests we have say 2024-01.
  Made in China – where else?
  They seem to work, I am now negative. My Partner was negative this morning – two more tests for her.
  So yeah, I don’t think ours came from that source.
  
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  August 1, 2023 4:03pm
cas

I was just watching Ryan Bridge interview Chris Hipkins this morning. A long time ago I posted that Hipkins was quite scary in that he never blinked. Not any more. He was blinking quite furiously through the questions about Kiri Allan. A sure sign of stress and anxiety.
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August 1, 2023 10:42am
- Grunter
  
  That’s a sure sign that he is lying. He knows it. We know it.
  
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  August 1, 2023 11:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not blinking? Someone else’s problem.
  Blinking furiously means he now knows the buck stops with him.
  So will he carry on until the end? Maybe he will do a runner like Jaspinda. Chippie does not know any other job though. Maybe Wellington Council?
  
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  August 1, 2023 3:53pm
NothingLeft

The political divergence between genders is growing rapidly – Teenage girls mostly left wing, boys mostly right:
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/4125661-high-school-boys-are-trending-conservative/

Long term this will hurt democracy. When a numerically dominant but on average less productive group (women) slowly create political structures that disadvantage a minority (men) that have a near monopoly on much essential competence and labour as well as contributing majority of economic productivity and tax then over long term that will create a destructive backlash of some sort; be it disengagement, emigration, mail-order brides, anti-democratic movements, violence or something else.

In any case it’s inevitably bad for the economy, productivity, relationship formation/endurance, birth rates and likely average levels of happiness.
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August 1, 2023 10:51am
- Tom Hunter
  
  The decline in marriage rates and the rise of single motherhood – praised to the skies by feminists in the last forty years – means that woman are substituting the State for fathers, and so vote for that support.
  
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  August 1, 2023 12:24pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Some people work for a living.
    Other people vote for their living.
    
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    August 1, 2023 1:13pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I will expand on that. Many years ago a prick interviewed on TV said (paraphrased,)
      “I think inflation is a wonderful thing – I could not live without it!”
      Bloody attitude ffs.
      
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      August 1, 2023 3:49pm
Jack5

The red-headed rock star of NZ Covid panic, Siouxsie Wiles, says in Stuff today that she had suffered a bout of a complaint that is apparently capable of strange symptoms.

In the case of an American billionaire, the disorder caused him to suddenly become ”very confused and disoriented. Then he starts to hallucinate. He’s experiencing delirium, brought on by a urinary tract infection (UTI)”.

Mmmm ….

Wiles and physicist Shaun Hendy were prominent in Covid strategy. The pair later instigated the open letter attacking the seven NZ academics – the “Listener Seven” – who challenged the notion of Maori knowledge being classified as science. This was signed by hundreds of academics, officials and others, who will likely come to rue their stance.

Here is Wiles writing on the disorder that apparently can make you hallucinate:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/132627358/siouxsie-wiles-the-pineappleflavoured-deadbacteria-spray-that-could-fight-utis
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August 1, 2023 12:01pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Both awful people.
  And Wiles got an award from NZ Skeptics in 2021.
  
  That group previously had sensible things to say about Maori Science (in 1994), which today might see them denounced by the pink haired horror.
  
  https://skeptics.nz/journal/issues/32/maori-science
  
  Here’s a little bit of the article, showing rational and sober thinking such as would be unacceptable today:
  …”It seems then that “Maori science” doesn’t qualify as science. What should it be called then? Botanist Murray Parson has suggested the useful word matauranga, one Maori term for knowledge, and one which makes no assumptions about how scientific that knowledge is.
  
  The phrase “Maori science” is problematic in a second sense. Most scientists would agree that the universality of science is one of its strongest features. Science is only accidentally European and, more importantly, can be practised by any culture. So the terms “Pakeha science” or “Western science” do not make sense — either a practice is science or it is not, regardless of the practitioner’s culture.
  
  Maori knowledge or matauranga seems to have concentrated more on getting along in the world than understanding what makes it tick; it has more to do with technology than science. The words science and technology are often used together or interchangeably, but biologist Lewis Wolpert has argued that until quite recently the two areas had very little to do with each other — the technology our ancestors used for hunting, farming and building houses was uninformed by science until the 19th century. So matauranga may not be science, but that is only one of the problems that would assail anyone that tried to defend it as a research method or a curriculum subject….”
  
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  August 1, 2023 1:20pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not red-headed, pink.
  She is the ‘pink terror.’
  
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  August 1, 2023 3:47pm
Ghost

Excuse my language mod but what the fuck, children with firearms. Thanks to the police for catching these little darlings so the court can give them a hug and send them back out again?

Five young teens are set to appear in court after raiding a Waikato liquor store armed with a pistol, shotgun and axe.

Police say the group aged between 13 and 15 years was involved in a police chase on State Highway 1 and tracked from the air and by dogs to a property some 11km away after stealing alcohol from a Pōkeno bottle shop.

Article
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August 1, 2023 12:15pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ginny will still be wondering how those kids obtained a firearms License to be able to buy the guns. No shit!
  
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  August 1, 2023 3:45pm
I remember when

Poll finds 64% of SMEs want shift in power: Survey.
“More than half……

Or maybe nearly two thirds….
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August 1, 2023 12:15pm
- Colville
  
  remember that 3 out of 2 people struggle with maths…
  
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  August 1, 2023 4:46pm
Jack5

Climate worriers are now ramping up fears about ocean currents.

This was the subject of a by Peter Ditlevsen on Kim Hill’s programme at Red Radio last Saturday.

For a balanced background to climate and ocean currents, take 15 minutes to listen to scientist Sabine Hossenfelder on YouTube:

https://youtu.be/tnVWUIhQ8dE
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August 1, 2023 12:28pm
- Ian Boag
  
  Try Fred Pearce – “The Last Generation”. It’s a book so you buy it – it is not free on YouTube.
  
  Has some pretty well-qualified scientists who believe the ocean conveyor is under threat. The potential methane megafart from Siberian permafrost gets a mention too.
  
  Who is Sabine Hossenfelder anyway …. ?
  
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  December 1, 2021 6:29pm
  - Jack5
    
    Ian Boag’s Who is Sabine Hossenfelder anyway?
    
    At the link below are details from the Guardian about Hossenfelder.
    
    She’s a German physicist who is skilled at explaining complex ideas, inlcuding in English. Her YouTube channel’s now up to 952,000 subscribers.
    
    Hossenfelder’s topics are broader than those of Pearce, whose field looks to be tightly focused on environmental matters.
    
    Like Pearce, she has books “you can buy” on Amazon, though her titles are on physics and mathematics.
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/nov/26/physicist-sabine-hossenfelder-there-are-quite-a-few-areas-where-physics-blurs-into-religion-multiverse
    
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    August 1, 2023 7:07pm
Chris Nisbet

Are the fuel price hikes that coming at the end of the year due to the ETS changes recently announced by Labour, some kind of Christmas present from Labour to the incoming National/Act govt?
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August 1, 2023 12:28pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is a mixed blessing. Sooner or later folk need to wake up to the cost of achieving the emissions commitments. I’ll say it again. Folk want to address emissions until they need to pay for it.
  
  The Climate Change Commission was upfront that many low income people would be priced out of owning motor vehicles because they could not afford the capital cost of an EV or the running costs of a petrol vehicle.
  
  We are all just sleep walking into this.
  
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  August 1, 2023 12:39pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    “Folk want to address emissions”
    Not this folk.
    
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    August 1, 2023 2:46pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Already paying. There is this thing called ‘Tax.’
    There is GST, and fuel Tax for a start.
    “”NO MORE NEW TAXES”” Hard to say which of the promises where the best or worst.
    
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    August 1, 2023 3:41pm
- miltonF
  
  Have no fear Chris. The ETS taxes will have no effect on the price of fuel whatsoever. The fuel companies are already charging the maximum the market will bear.
  
  /sarc
  
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  August 1, 2023 2:40pm
Benedict Yu

This is a great example of the insanity of the public service and why National needs to drain the swamp.

Private developer wants to build a new development in central Otago.

NZTA opposes it because the new residents will want to drive cars which are bad for the environment.

Ministry of Education opposes because there might be some children who need schools.

I’m not embellishing. Read it.

http://offsettingbehaviour.blogspot.com/2023/07/new-nimbys.html?m=1
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August 1, 2023 12:35pm
- I remember when
  
  BY:
  So Waka Kotahi are opposed to what would basically be the equivalent of 500 life style properties.
  
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  August 1, 2023 3:13pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    They are not “lifestyle” properties.
    
    They are apartments.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/resizer/Cbk-YQ9ZYP9_Kh4eWfPDG9TYHs8=/1440×770/smart/filters:quality(70)/cloudfront-ap-southeast-2.images.arcpublishing.com/nzme/HKBEZRSNURFA3NXHSYE4RYRYKY.png
    
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    August 1, 2023 5:37pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Its a mix of houses, terrace houses and apartments.
      Looks like its next to an existing residential area too.
      
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      August 1, 2023 5:52pm
- Colville
  
  Developer wants to have taxpayer pick up costs for development. Schools and roads by others without paying development levies that would be applicable in town.
  Privatize the profits while socializing the costs??
  
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  August 1, 2023 4:51pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Come on.
    
    The Ministry of Education builds schools where they are needed. It is not the job of property developers to pay for schools!
    
    There are no roads required. The opposition by NZTA is not on the basis of new roads being needed, it is based on “climate change”.
    
    Honestly it is insane, as Eric points out.
    
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    August 1, 2023 5:13pm
    - Colville
      
      Development contributions pay for roads and drainage water outside of the development etc etc.
      By building out of the town limit the developer would avoid all this by paying only rural levies which would be circa 10% of in town.
      By building on an existing NZTA road they would be carried by the taxpayer who would get zero benefit from the development.
      The amount of vehicle movements caused by this development would be circa 15 per DU, with 10km to town its an eye watering amount of KMs per day . Its just bullshit, if the developer wanted they could come to an agreement with Council to share the costs and benefits but have chosen not to.
      
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      August 1, 2023 6:10pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Developers pay for the roads and then gift them to the Council who then take over the maintenance (except for JOALs)
    
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    August 1, 2023 5:54pm
I remember when

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, silly me.
Put my teabag in the cup, filled it with the appropriate amount of water and waited for it to boil.
Nothing happened.
Perhaps it will be hotter this month.
Like the United Nations, I’m not going to give up after a single mistake!
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August 1, 2023 12:35pm
Ghost

For anyone that has followed Gonzalo Lira he has got out of prison and now trying to escape

Right now, I’m about to try to get out of Ukraine, and seek political asylum in Hungary.

Either I’ll cross the border and make it to safety, or I’ll be disappeared by the Kiev regime.

This is what’s happened to me over the past three months.

On May 1, I was arrested for my YouTube videos. The photos of my arrest are pretty funny—morning bed-head made me look like a character out of Dr. Seuss.

My crime was making videos critical of the West and their proxy regime in Kiev—and how they are destroying Ukraine.

Attached to these tweets is the full indictment against me, both the original Ukrainian and English translation.

Gonzalo Lira: I’m About To Cross The Border (Part 1)

Gonzalo Lira: I’m About To Cross The Border (Part 2)

Gonzalo Lira: I’m About To Cross The Border (Part 3)
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August 1, 2023 12:37pm
I remember when

Greg McConville, a senior official of the United Firefighters Union Australia.
“There is no greater likelihood of an EV fire than a combustion engine car fire, but when they happen, the risks are huge and the consequences are enormous.”

*Nasty, toxic chemical mix comes from these batteries when they burn.
* Two firefighters in Australia suffered cobalt poisoning after a fire and have been permanently disabled.
* Crew member dies after second cargo vessel catches fire while transporting EVs.
* Ebike battery explosion in Wellington injures.
* Vehicle castches fire on Puhoi to Warkworth highway.

The Greens would surely have protested their use if only they had happened on a farm.
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August 1, 2023 12:53pm
Jack5

Anyone-else surprised by NZ Skeptics swerving into politics?

Julian Batchelor’s views are challenged in the latest newsletter, and Bronwyn Rideout talks of joining a protest against him.

But there’s also a look at National’s Christopher Luxon. Here’s a report of a “local meeting” in which Luxon was asked about National policy on climate change:

“Through the questions I was struck by the similarity to a talk I’d seen given in Petone by anti-fluoride activist Dr Paul Connett a few years ago, where the nuance of Paul’s (admittedly unscientific) arguments against community water fluoridation clashed with the brazenness and ignorance of the audience’s questions.”

You can read the Skeptics newsletter here:

https://mailchi.mp/3496c6e41546/skeptic-news-going-undercover-is-fun?e=efd43432c0
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August 1, 2023 1:11pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  Another supposed rational organisation infiltrated by Leftists and spreading leftist political claptrap/
  
  The Lefts vision of destroying any and all institutions or organisations that might be useful or sensible so they can be replaced by party alignment entities continues apace.
  
  What is wrong with these people? Did Eastern Europe and all its horrors under Communist domination leave no imprint on their thinking and beliefs?
  
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  August 1, 2023 10:23pm
Chuck Bird

Is 3 yr and 3 months anywhere near enough?

Baby Hope death: Man jailed for causing death of baby daughter in Invercargill

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/baby-hope-death-man-jailed-for-causing-death-of-baby-daughter-in-invercargill/455WPXM6GFBKPB3UO3Y22VNLJ4/
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August 1, 2023 1:11pm
Maggie Pie

Thort this might be worth sharing with the group?

The tennis coach was telling us over lunch, that the Seg Cells out at Paree, where they keep locked down 28 of the lowest-of-the-low criminal scum on earth (Tarrant for example) is called…. ‘PERU’

But don’t ask me why because we never asked him.
None of us wanted to look silly.
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August 1, 2023 2:00pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Seg Cells out at Paree”
  
  I won’t ask you what this means because I don’t want to look silly.
  
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  August 1, 2023 5:18pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Well according to my doubles partner, she was saying her hubby reclons it neans the ‘solitary confinement cells at Pareremoremo’.
    
    Hope that helps Bene?
    
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    August 1, 2023 6:46pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/300940788/traffic-ham-multiagency-operation-to-capture-unruly-pig-living-near-auckland-motorway
Trying to get to HAMilton
Or PORKeno
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August 1, 2023 2:28pm
Maggie Pie

And something else we discussed….how stupid would you have to be to think that our Cops are just some sort of pre-programed robots?
Surely any sane person would realise they all go home at some stage to their partners, parents, friends, flatmates etc, where they all discuss the events of the day. It’s not the crime that might have been any big deal, it’s the cover up.
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August 1, 2023 2:37pm
Maggie Pie

Whan this just appeared on my twitter feed I immediately thort of ‘Batman’…

https://twitter.com/TheFigen_/status/1685991197322399744

[caution: do not try this at home 😎 ]
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August 1, 2023 4:28pm
Ghost

A National MP has been accused of conduct towards another MP that could amount to “threatening or intimidating” behaviour.

Tim van de Molen has been referred to Parliament’s Privileges Committee after Speaker Adrian Rurawhe received a complaint from Labour MP Rachel Boyack about the National MP’s conduct towards the chairperson of the Transport and Industrial Relations Committee on June 29.

Newshub understands van de Molen allegedly stood over Labour’s Shanan Halbert and other MPs had to physically rally around Halbert due to concerns for his safety.

Article
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August 1, 2023 5:15pm
- greybeard
  
  I suspect that this is a jackup to deflect from Labour’s many current problems.
  They will be trying all sorts of filth for the next 3 months.
  
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  August 1, 2023 5:39pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I first met Tim van de Molen in May 2017. He is the most inoffensive gentleman the National Party could select.
  It must have taken some very serious bad and vile behaviour to rile up van de Molen.
  
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  August 1, 2023 5:39pm
  - Ghost
    
    That or labour need a distraction. I would expect there is video footage of this select meeting
    
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    August 1, 2023 5:43pm
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      I notice it was a nymph that objected to the Privileges Committee, not the allegedly threatened male homo sapian.
      Well, I cannot call it a man.
      
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      August 1, 2023 8:03pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  These committee rooms should have video coverage that would provide proof one way or another that this event happened.
  
  Given how cheap video cameras are there is no excuse.
  
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  August 1, 2023 6:04pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Of course, mps are saying this stand over was not what happened
    
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    August 1, 2023 11:36pm
- Colville
  
  Evidently “robust discussion” is fine when there is an imbalance in power, say from an MP dressing down a staff member but when “robust discussion” is had between equals in a committee setting its abuse!!
  
  Makes ya wonder what they are smoking!!
  
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  August 1, 2023 6:20pm
- Prince
  
  Was that the Speaker of the House on TV, looking like a fruit salad wrapped in a vine leaf ?
  What was that in aid of ? Wear some flowers in your hair day ? Has Scott McKenzie died.
  Hard to take him seriously done up like that.
  
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  August 1, 2023 9:12pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They showed the MPs in that meeting, Bishop and Brown were both there, this meeting was weeks ago, and will be an attempted hitjob, surely this will be recorded for security reasons any way
  
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  August 1, 2023 11:34pm
Benedict Yu

Just heard audio from Winston on ZB.

He was being asked whether he would definitely go with National if he held the balance of power,

Of course he answered in word salad. He said that “they” – not sure who “they” is – would need to prove that “they” would be a better government than the current government.

Honestly folk are insane voting for this guy. In 2017 he caused immense damage and he could do it again in 2023, pushing 80 years old. Let’s face it. He won’t stop this nonsense while he remains living and breathing 🙁
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August 1, 2023 5:16pm
- kevn
  
  BY… He just feeds on publicity.
  
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  August 1, 2023 5:37pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  He will beon with Heather at about 6:15
  
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  August 1, 2023 6:07pm
kevn

Other ‘labour’ MP’s maybe stood around Halbert.
Battle of the giants. “No shouting please lads, this is not kiri country”.
Yawn…
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August 1, 2023 5:22pm
Maggie Pie

I know it’s not a larfing matter, but theres been dozens of tweets today about ram raids in Hamilton Mall, a car crashing into the Timaru police station, and even a hit & run pedestrian in Lower Hutt.

In every case someone has commented …
“Sounds like Kiri is on the loose”

LOL!!!
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August 1, 2023 6:30pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Car crashed into poll in Chch to , Timaru, and CHCH deaths, along with the hit in run
  
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  August 1, 2023 11:38pm
Scooter

Good interview on The Platform with Damien Grant and the exodus of people from NZ. Looking at the 20 something’s who are leaving compared with those that stay, basically he said if you’re not that skilled then NZ will look after you, you’ll be given a house, if you can’t pay your rent you won’t get kicked out, if you commit a crime you won’t go to jail. On the other hand if you want to make money then the govt will expect you to pay for the guy who doesn’t want to work. Sad but so true.
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August 1, 2023 7:37pm
- NothingLeft
  
  The same issue that has afflicted socialist/highly redistributive countries forever – over-taxing/punishing the productive and particularly the hyper productive people drives them offshore, with huge impacts on economy. That is because a very small number of people are responsible for setting up and running enterprises that contribute a substantial portion of the economic output of a country. They are the golden geese.
  
  You are better off taxing the wealth generating rich less, like setting upper limit on income tax (excluding property investors) – because they are the ones who grow entrepreneurial culture and drive a country’s economic success.
  
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  August 2, 2023 11:32am
Pineapple Lumps

Asking for a friend:

How many of the people fleeing the country at the moment because they don’t like the vibe, put the rabble in charge that have rooted the country over?
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