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Matt Long

Good roading announcements from National.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/07/30/nats-plan-to-link-whangarei-and-tauranga-with-new-transport-policy/
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July 31, 2023 8:01am
- Frank Thomas
  
  Completely agree, however Luxon talking to Hoskings this morning about it was a bit of a train wreck. His paper shuffling and um, err, was atrocious. Will need to do much better come election time
  
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  July 31, 2023 8:05am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    National’s transport policy announcement is a Bobby Dazzler.
    • Whangārei to Port Marsden – $1.3b and to start in the next one to three years.
    • Warkworth to Wellsford – $2.2b and to start in the next four to 10 years.
    • Cambridge to Piarere – $720 million and tostart in the next one to three years.
    • Tauriko West State Highway 29 – $1.9b and to start in the next four to 10 years.
    
    Infrastructure and education are the keys to our future prosperity and National will uniquely actually deliver their policies.
    
    It makes you wonder why, when reporting National’s policies, the herald gives such prominence to the architects of NZ’s 6 years of abject transport and education failure.
    
    It also makes you wonder why voters are so transfixed on demanding our Prime Ministers and Mayors are media darlings.
    
    Did you learn nothing from Jacinda Adern?
    
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    July 31, 2023 8:09am
    - kowtow
      
      South island infrastructure is shit .
      
      What does the SI get.
      
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      July 31, 2023 8:41am
      - NothingLeft
        
        taxed
        
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        July 31, 2023 8:53am
      - Hugh Jarse
        
        Yes have to agree KT, good on them for starting these roading projects again, but motorways north and south of Christchurch also need to be four laned. Current southern motor was planned to be four lanes to Ashburton as part of Roads of National Significance but Labour put the kibosh on that and it goes down to two lanes at Rolleston. Quite a few fatals on the Rolleston to Ashburton piece as a result.
        
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        July 31, 2023 9:09am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        They will get the Woodend bypass (at last) and a new SH 1 bridge at Ashburton.
        
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        July 31, 2023 9:13am
      - pdm
        
        kowtow – when mrspdm and I did virtually a lap of the SI, including to Collingwood, in April/May 2021 we thought almost all of the roads we travelled on were far better maintained and superior to all in Hawkes Bay at that time. BTW HB roads are fare worse now but, hard to believe SI roads have deteriorated to the same extent in two and a bit years.
        
        We did go `off the beaten track’ from time to time and found it hard to understand why there seemed to be so many serious accidents throughout the South Isaland.
        
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        July 31, 2023 9:15am
      - BananaLlama
        
        Toll them like North Island roads and they will get built. Government just wastes our money for roading on silly nonsense while the private sector actually wants to make their money back and will build something that everyone will use.
        
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        July 31, 2023 11:25am
      - kowtow
        
        pdm
        
        SI roads have turned to shit in just the last few months .
        
        So many accidents ?
        An awful lot of very poor drivers.
        
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        July 31, 2023 11:45am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Belfast to Pegasus is on the list, plus the Woodend Bypass.
        
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        July 31, 2023 12:27pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        Roads on Canterbury plains are cheap to build – flat, well-drained land with few natural obstacles and little rain. 4-laning majority of Rolleston-Ashburton would make sense (doesn’t need to be a motorway)
        
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        July 31, 2023 1:32pm
      - Ghost
        
        The roads aren’t bad up here. Went up to ashburton two weeks ago good roads. Road into town is set to get a new seal in summer. More pot holes on the council roads than the govt ones.
        
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        July 31, 2023 1:40pm
    - Yabster
      
      didn’t think the interview was too bad -except “finding the figures part.
      
      Also scrapping the 30 k speed limit bollocks- so thats great news!
      
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      July 31, 2023 9:47am
    - Lexicon
      
      Tauriko West/SH29 is urgent now, not in four to 10 years’ time.
      
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      July 31, 2023 10:21am
    - kowloon
      
      Some people can only read comments on red coloured pages!
      
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      July 31, 2023 11:49am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Who is Hoskings? Is he a mate of Keys?
    
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    July 31, 2023 8:12am
  - NK
    
    It’s election time now. You don’t think Labour heard it and are selectively editing it to use during the coming months? It was bumbling and embarrassing.
    
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    July 31, 2023 8:12am
    - Cinematic
      
      Heh. Luxon was flicking through paperwork to try to provide an accurate answer. Losers in NZ have gotten so used to politicians providing instant non-answers, that when a politician try’s it’s seen as “bumbling and embarrassing”. So sad.
      
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      July 31, 2023 8:21am
      - Ruawai
        
        Luxon just needs to get all his info on an ipad in excel then he can search projects and dollar values and have a page for each ministry with summaries. Or have a staff member feeding him answers at interviews. He also just needs to say new projects will be paid for by cancelling light rail and LGWM.
        
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        July 31, 2023 9:27am
    - lastmanstanding
      
      The Government is enacting Anti-Slavery legislation. It will apply to businesses with revenue over $20M. I wonder how they and the Government are going to account for the minerals that go into the batteries of lecky vehicles are mined not just be Slave but Child Slaves. No doubt there will be an exemption. Afterall whats a few Child Slaves when your saving the planet.
      
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      July 31, 2023 8:52am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Yes, a little untidy by Luxon, but the policy itself is excellent. The guts of the four lanes between Whangarei and Tauranga is already built, so lets get on and build from either end.
    
    Killing Let’s Get Wellington Moving in favour of four lanes from Levin to the airport is fantastic, as is the decision to finally kill off light rail in Auckland. All things considered it is an outstanding plan, and if it rarks up the Greens and Labour, even better!
    
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    July 31, 2023 8:15am
    - Cinematic
      
      Giving an actual accurate answer can take time. Let’s celebrate the fact we have a potential leader who believes a question asked deserves an answer. I’d much prefer that over the obfuscation and downright lies we’ve all had to live through over the last 5 years.
      
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      July 31, 2023 8:24am
      - jon
        
        Quite right Cinematic. I recall John Key making a few stumbles in 2008, it happens, he went onto being a most successful PM. Luxon at least found the figures, hell the guy will be carrying round a lot of detail on these roading projects. Give him a break!
        
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        July 31, 2023 9:29am
      - gravedodger
        
        Not for someone running the Frazer House lines Cine, they are committed to the word salad nonsense answers we have been fed for nearly six years.
        Announcements of announcements of coming announcements then non delivery, no explaining.
        
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        July 31, 2023 1:17pm
    - NK
      
      Very pleased to see they’ve announced the end of LGWM. That’s an abomination. And I’m in Auckland!
      
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      July 31, 2023 9:17am
      - Bullion
        
        Interesting that recent local body elections saw majority support for LGWM elected. National going to override that?
        
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        July 31, 2023 11:50am
  - PeeJay
    
    Agreed – really poor. In theory a good policy but his interview made it sound like National were competing with Labour’s GST policy for ‘sounds good but details schmetails’ award.
    
    This is a shame because unless the numbers stack up it will be an absolutely gimme for Labour, the Greens and for National’s main opponent in the upcoming election, the media!
    
    Luxon needs to get better at answering when under pressure. Keep on hearing how well he’s being received up and down the country – which is great. But in the white hot intensity of an election campaign, and particularly during the debates, “erm” and “umm” are not going to cut it.
    
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    July 31, 2023 8:15am
    - Nickc2
      
      Would you rather listen to fact or fiction from our politicians?
      If fiction’s your preference, then vote for the bullshitting lying bastards that currently control our lives and aspirations.
      
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      July 31, 2023 9:13am
      - mawm
        
        Surely there is an agreement before any interview about the topics to be covered to allow the interviewee to have the facts at their finger tips. Very unprofessional.
        
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        July 31, 2023 12:22pm
      - Nickc2
        
        mawm @12:22PM
        Luxon had the facts at his fingertips!
        He just had to shuffle through all the other paper work he had at his fingertips.
        
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        July 31, 2023 1:47pm
    - kowloon
      
      PJ; if you listen carefully to the questions, you will realise that most of the time the interviewer has no idea what the subject is about; and is just parroting the supplied questions.
      Luxon has more factual information in his head than the combined knowledge of most of the interviewers.
      
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      July 31, 2023 11:14am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Can’t agree. I’m not a Luxon fan but thought he acquitted himself very well. This is a good set of policies and – with around 30 projects – I’m happy he took the time to correctly answer the specific question about just one of them.
      
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      July 31, 2023 12:23pm
  - Paulus
    
    Am told that something like 600 people listened to Luxon in Johnsonville, Wellington and were impressed with what they heard.
    
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    July 31, 2023 8:19am
  - Michael Sommerville
    
    I disagree. At least he was prepared to get accurate information rather than guess and get found out later.
    
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    July 31, 2023 8:23am
    - igm
      
      Luxon highlights the difference between a successful businessman and the unemployable dross that have festooned the halls of Parliament for the past six years.
      
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      July 31, 2023 8:35am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    He sounded a bit tired, however, I’d rather deal with someone who takes a bit of time to find the correct answer rather than pull a number out of his backside.
    
    I agree though, it’s not a good look, and I would expect Luxon to improve.
    
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    July 31, 2023 8:29am
    - kowloon
      
      sounded a bit tired,……
      not as tired as he and his team will be, when they start steering NZ back to a economically and socially sustainable future.
      
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      July 31, 2023 11:16am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    Is it better to shuffle paper for the right answers than make them up?
    
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    July 31, 2023 8:29am
  - alloytoo
    
    While I agree in principle, it’s preferable to the current lot just making up numbers on the fly.
    
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    July 31, 2023 8:30am
  - greybeard
    
    At least he HAD the figures, unlike that other lot.
    
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    July 31, 2023 8:35am
    - pdm
      
      Good point.
      
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      July 31, 2023 9:18am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Frank T – now you know why Luxon will never be the PM of this country. Omnishambles 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
    
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    July 31, 2023 9:53am
- rouppe
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Well….
  
  Who drives from Whangarei to Tauranga? Wouldn’t a more logical plan be SH1 made at least 4 lanes?
  
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  July 31, 2023 8:09am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    You are missing the point.
    
    People drive from Auckland to Tauranga.
    
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    July 31, 2023 8:32am
    - greybeard
      
      And it would be a direct link between two major ports, Northport & Tauranga
      
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      July 31, 2023 8:42am
    - kowloon
      
      Auckland just happens to be a midpoint, somewhere to stop for a coffee and pee.
      
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      July 31, 2023 11:18am
  - Local Miller
    
    I know a number of people who drive from Whangarei to Tauranga and back. My son attended a weekend activity in Tauranga this past weekend, with people coming from as far afield as Whangarei. While he drove from Auckland, he gave a lift to someone who came to Auckland by bus from Dargaville. The group he’s involved with have at least 2 long weekend meets in Tauranga each year, and I’m pretty sure given the facilities they use that there are a significant number of other groups doing the same.
    Besides the end to end trips, it’s the legs of the journey that matter. There’s small value having a 4 lane highway from Wellsford to Auckland if the road from Whangarei to Wellsford is only 2 lanes. The 2 lane section essentially determines the carrying capacity of the whole length.
    Along with this, there’s the Auckland – Tauranga leg. It’s great going down SH1 now, but as soon as you turn off to Tauranga either onto SH2 or one of the other cross country roads like the Tahuna Rd, you may as well consider the rest of the trip a scenic Sunday drive, especially with the ridiculously low speed limits put in on some sections.
    
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    July 31, 2023 11:10am
- Matt Long
  
  The local perspective.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/comment-northlands-infrastructure-needs-are-becoming-pressing/73HXDP5EJZDY7NZSMEJRZAZVCQ/
  
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  July 31, 2023 8:20am
- Southern Raider
  
  Was about to post the same
  
  This is a fantastic move by National. Unfortunately the media just talked about more cars and didn’t also point out the number of deaths on those sections of highway, how free flowing motorways reduce emissions etc
  
  Also followed up this morning by announcing National will cancel “get Wellington moving” and use the money to fund a second Mt Vic Tunnel and roading interconnect
  
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  July 31, 2023 8:30am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Dome Valley will be a huge problem unless a few tunnels are bored.
  
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  July 31, 2023 8:56am
  - Matt Long
    
    The designated route before Labour NZF Green Govt killed it avoided Dome Valley.
    As I recall the roading people agreed that building entirely new roads is a long way better than mucking around with traffic management for years.
    The Whangarei to Ruakaka 4 laning was to go to the west of the current highway, I can’t remember the Warkworth to Te Hana Route.
    
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    July 31, 2023 9:12am
- emmess
  
  “The costs are as woefully light as is their explanation of how they will fund these roads – the cost will be many hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars more than they are admitting,” he said.
  
  He said the figures are old and “laughable at best”.
  
  The Greens say this kind of money should be going on public transport.
  
  Listen to those idiots.
  Not only have they not started any major projects.
  After six years, their beloved public transport is in a worse state than before.
  
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  July 31, 2023 9:13am
  - kowloon
    
    The costs won’t escalate very much, unless the government is in control of planning and implementation!
    
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    July 31, 2023 11:20am
- surfing
  
  It’s good, but, I can’t believe the cost is so low.
  
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  July 31, 2023 9:55am
  - artemisia
    
    Fewer consultants, fewer road cones, review OTT H&S?
    
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    July 31, 2023 10:19am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      If only
      
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      July 31, 2023 7:59pm
  - Local Miller
    
    The Whangārei to Port Marsden leg (~30km) at $1.3b comes to about $44 million per km. It’s tight but not excessively low when compared with other roads. Remember this is essentially a flat road, so minimal cutting and in filling, and there is already an existing road through the area. I’d be surprised if National haven’t already talked to road building contractors to get these figures, I can’t see them pulling numbers out of the air, not after watching Liebour do just that over the past 6 years.
    
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    July 31, 2023 11:19am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Julie Ann Genter melts down 😂
  
  https://twitter.com/JulieAnneGenter?t=1KjG8pjyNPtefZL9oO-KsQ&s=09
  
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  July 31, 2023 11:24am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    For me, that link brings up her twitter feed, seemingly in some random date-order. What was the meltdown tweet about?
    
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    July 31, 2023 1:41pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Also funnily, when I bring up your link, Twitter kindly offers me a bag of assorted far lefty/greenies that I “might like”:
    
    “You might like
    Chlöe Swarbrick
    @_chloeswarbrick
    🏳️‍⚧️Marama Davidson MP
    @MaramaDavidson
    Golriz Ghahraman
    @golrizghahraman”
    
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    July 31, 2023 1:44pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      The first tweet on anyone’s page will be a “Pinned tweet” if they have one, as Genter does. It’s from 2021 and is the one you saw first.
      
      See if you can scroll down just a little bit and you’ll see the Tweet being referenced.
      
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      July 31, 2023 2:52pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Yep I understand the concept of pinned posts.
        
        After the apparently top “pinned” tweet from
        Mar 18, 2022 here are the dates of the tweets below it, going down the page:
        
        Jan 21, 2017 Someone’s baby.
        Apr 2, 2021 Wasteful car based transport system.
        Jul 23, 2020 Feminists holding up a bit of paper.
        Mar 4, 2021 Psychobabble, about something.
        Jul 22, 2021 Ute owner has green/left road to Damascus experience.
        Oct 17, 2020 NZ allegedly votes for kindness.
        Jul 17, 2020 National allegedly wants congested spaghetti junctions everywhere.
        
        I have extreme crap-blocking. Maybe that’s why.
        
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        July 31, 2023 7:20pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Based on what got let in, your crap filter is well, crap.
        
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        July 31, 2023 11:27pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        It does the job of blocking crap extremely well. The price is some websites don’t play nicely.
        
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        August 1, 2023 8:24pm
- The Veteran
  
  And today’s winner of the cant and hubris award … the old curmudgeon himself. Peters response to the welcome news that National is committed to a four lane super highway connecting Whangarei to Auckland (and thru to Tauranga) … ‘National promised that before but didn’t deliver’.
  
  It didn’t deliver Mr Peters because you and your mob delivered Labour the Treasury benches in 2017 and they promptly cancelled the Warkworth to Whangarei extension … and not-forgetting also that your Northland candidate … the pompous Jones boy is on record as deriding the project as the “Holiday Highway’.
  
  No, its not … its our economic highway.
  
  Cant and hubris from yesterday’s man
  
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  July 31, 2023 11:53am
Matt Long

The new leader of the IPCC is not scaremongering, what does that mean?
Is it a new age of scientific responsibility, will politicians follow suit?
https://www.dw.com/en/dont-overstate-15-degrees-c-threat-new-ipcc-head-says/a-66386523
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July 31, 2023 8:03am
- kowtow
  
  Big article in Herlad today .
  “Boiling”
  
  Northern hemisphere heat wave :Mentions scientific stuff like El Nino , Atlantic multi decadal oscillation .These lead to higher temperatures.
  
  I wonder how much effect the Tonga volcano has had ?
  
  Anyone else read how Greek villagers are livid at the govt , as they aren’t allowed to cut down trees or manage the forests , which of course makes these fires so very much more dangerous .
  
  Where have we heard that before .
  
  “I’m from the govt and I’m here to help”.
  
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  July 31, 2023 8:55am
  - Raphael
    
    Ian Wishart is having fun, every time NIWA trots out a “hottest ever!”, “most rain ever!” headline he tweets historical articles and records debunking it.
    
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    July 31, 2023 10:00am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yep Tongan volcano.
    Dont forget the Nordstream pipeline explosions that released more greenhouse gases than anything naturally occurring.
    Too be confirmed however.
    Where is the media on this?
    
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    July 31, 2023 10:26am
    - cmm
      
      I expect that the Greenie Approved South American rain forests emit more gas than was released by the pipeline.
      
      What happens to all the leaves and stuff falling to the ground in forests – especially in warmer areas? Same as in your compost bin. It rots and emits vast quantities of CO2 and methane.
      
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      July 31, 2023 1:09pm
      - Raphael
        
        yep. I did see a study a while ago that rather than being the “lungs of the planet” rainforests are closer to being carbon neutral. They are not massive oxygen generators.
        
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        July 31, 2023 2:00pm
    - rouppe
      
      Some months ago I email Niwa meteorologist Chris Brandalino about Tonga.
      
      I asked why, with all that water being ejected into the atmosphere why it wasn’t considered pertinent to the wet weather of late last year / early this year.
      
      His (rather terse) response was that the water vapour went up into the stratosphere which was above the troposphere which is where our weather occurs. He also referenced a Dr Olaf Morgenstern
      
      “The Tongan eruption caused huge amounts of water vapour to surge into the stratosphere, a layer of the atmosphere some 10-20 km above our heads. This has caused cooling in the stratosphere across the Southern Hemisphere. This is because water vapour is efficient at re-radiating heat, either out to space or back toward the Earth’s surface. This means the Tongan volcanic eruption may in fact cause a net *warming effect* in the troposphere, the lowest part of the atmosphere and the one in which we live. This effect may occur over the next 3 years, which is the time it takes the excess water to circulate out of the stratosphere. The eruption appears unlikely to have been a direct cause of the very wet, warm weather New Zealand experienced over winter.”
      
      Well, all I know is that it was very wet last year at this time, and Turoa had a terrific snow base last weekend when I was there
      
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      July 31, 2023 9:01pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        Be interested in Metservice reply to the same question.
        Niwa, Noaa ,
        By Default UN Meterological Organisation ( A Misnomer , Should be called Climatology.
        
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        July 31, 2023 9:17pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Given that Water vapour and clouds have the largest effect on temperature, I would imagine quite a lot.
    
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    July 31, 2023 10:52am
    - Master Mariner
      
      The interesting thing about clouds is the scientific community can not make up there minds whether they cool or warm the planet.
      Obviously there are many types of clouds but seriously how do you base your models.?
      Its all starting to unravel thankfully.
      
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      July 31, 2023 11:44am
      - Matt Long
        
        It’s like CO², CO² from burning woodchips doesn’t heat the planet because it costs billions more, whereas CO² from coal is full of global heating because it’s cheap and efficient.
        
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        July 31, 2023 1:06pm
  - kowloon
    
    The costs won’t escalate very much, unless the government is in control of planning and implementation!
    
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    July 31, 2023 11:22am
  - stiff cheese
    
    Re the Tongan underwater volcano eruption:
    
    Extra karma points if you can find a single MSM story that mentions this eruption in conjunction with their “Hottest Month Ever!” or “Global Boiling” headlines.
    
    What NASA and the European Space Agency are admitting but the media are failing to report about our current heat wave – American Thinker
    
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    July 31, 2023 1:51pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  It means the earlier IPCC leaders were scaremongering.
  I wonder how long he’ll keep his job, because sensible comments like his directly contradict thise of his mate, Mr. ‘Global boiling!’, Antonio.
  
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  July 31, 2023 9:04am
- Grunter
  
  Matt – for a silly moment you had me excited…..then I read the article….
  
  This one sentence sums up this guy;
  “Skea said that one short-term focus should remain expanding renewable electricity to reduce emissions from fossil fuel electricity generation and from internal combustion engine vehicles.”
  
  No mention of base-load electricity requirements and the unreliability of solar and wind. No mention of the fact that we run out of minerals before we convert to EV’s. No mention of the huge amount of fossil fuels required to mine all the rare earths….
  
  So he is still a looney, don’t be fooled.
  
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  July 31, 2023 9:10am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yep still a looney, However a lesser looney.
    Interesting all the same.
    
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    July 31, 2023 10:28am
rouppe

The Maori Health Authority has “had a refresh”.

By adding the new board members.

Can anyone articulate anything the Maori Health Authority has done to improve Maori Health?
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July 31, 2023 8:04am
- Matt Long
  
  Wealthy people tend to have better health outcomes.
  The MHA has made a small Maori cabal wealthy, easy to improve health innit?
  
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  July 31, 2023 8:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jump on that gravy train while they can, because is is all going to crash and disappear.
  
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  July 31, 2023 9:01am
  - kowtow
    
    I’m not holding my breath .
    
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    July 31, 2023 9:08am
  - greybeard
    
    Just like the existing “3 Waters” appointments, these will involve redundancy payouts, which is why they rushed to get aboard.
    
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    July 31, 2023 9:13am
    - Burtland
      
      all aboard for the big payout – 400 additional staff at MHA
      – some people would call it corruption
      
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      July 31, 2023 10:52am
- mogg
  
  They have doubled their staffing numbers in 12 months, from 200 to over 400. It’s long term solutions with wrap around services and support, will take time to show results. At least a 10 to 15 yr timeline.
  
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  July 31, 2023 10:47am
  - Burtland
    
    Results will come very quickly – the University Maori Health Research Units are ready and willing to provide the required statistics. They specialise in de-colonisation. //
    
    The 2022 Pharmac review was stacked with such specialists led by the gonged trojan horse Chetwin. Appointees Professor Sue Crengle, Dr Tristram Ingham, Leanne Te Karuwere and Heather Simpson (H2) were all put there to provide a result.
    
    This will be the blue print going forward – Scientific Communism 101
    
    https://www.health.govt.nz/new-zealand-health-system/key-health-sector-organisations-and-people/statutory-entities-boards-and-committees/pharmac-review
    
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    July 31, 2023 11:17am
- Keith White
  
  They’ve all got healthier bank accounts.
  
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  July 31, 2023 12:01pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Board members added. No word of Board members being subtracted.
  
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  July 31, 2023 8:05pm
Nukuleka

Tamati Coffey, a main chancer if there ever was one!
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July 31, 2023 8:08am
- rouppe
  
  Will he move to the East Cape? Doubt it
  
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  July 31, 2023 8:10am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Did he not supply alcohal for the Labour Youth Camp?
  
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  July 31, 2023 8:12am
  - igm
    
    Probably wrote the behavioural handbook as well!
    
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    July 31, 2023 8:38am
- Gravelroad
  
  If bringing back a giggling lightweight like Mr Coffey is the best they have got, then Labour really is in trouble.
  But I suppose he does tick a few of the diversity boxes – which is the main thing – eh.
  
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  July 31, 2023 8:14am
  - Nickc2
    
    ‘Diversity’ That’s the word I was looking for. The Mods probably wouldn’t let me use the one I would prefer.
    
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    July 31, 2023 9:41am
  - Piniwi
    
    Right Gravelroad they have to keep the queer ratio or things might get out of kilter. Coffey stepping in to replace Allan makes it a neutral change but he does have to win the seat and he is well known as a waste of space. As we have seen so often queer MP’s seem only to push queer issues in keeping with their smaller outlook.
    
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    July 31, 2023 10:13am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Kiri with a beard 😀
  
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  July 31, 2023 8:15am
  - pdm
    
    Kiri with a beard.
    
    And a boyfriend.
    And a baby.
    
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    July 31, 2023 8:23am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Him and his boyfriend have a baby? Now that’s clever…….
      
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      July 31, 2023 8:46am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Two!
        
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        July 31, 2023 8:53am
      - Matt Long
        
        Kiri and her ex had a child too, immaculate deception has nothing on these people.
        
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        July 31, 2023 1:10pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Coffey was the only Labour MP to lose his seat in Parliament during the Red Wave in 2020. That takes some doing. He also lost his place on the Rotorua Trust last year, placing ninth of sixteen candidates.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/news/tamati-coffey-voted-off-rotorua-trust/3C76L2FKFRGN3EOQA4BBUO5NDA/
  
  Add East Coast to the list of expected gains for National in October. Let’s not forget that Anne Tolley won the electorate in 2005 and held it a further four times before retiring, including beating Kiri Allan by more than 3000 votes in 2017.
  
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  July 31, 2023 8:20am
  - Yvette
    
    Tukuorangi Morgan, as chair Maori representative on the Auckland 3 Waters Entity (the biggest population, but the only NTT not split up) a part from owning the Waikato River along with the Maori King and Nania Mahuta, which Auckland is attempting to drink, Morgan would seem to be out of his regional Waikato.
    Is Coffey also outside of his tribal region?
    
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    July 31, 2023 9:47am
    - Yvette
      
      Early life [edit]
      Born in Lower Hutt and educated at Onslow College,[7] Coffey is of Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Awa, Ngāti Whakaue, Tūhourangi and Ngāti Tūwharetoa descent.[8]
      
      Okaaayyyyyy ….. There is a cold front approaching the Central Plateau and a heavy depression settled over the East Coast
      
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      July 31, 2023 10:00am
      - Jethrod
        
        What????…….no Scottish, Irish or English mentioned???? Amazing!!!!
        
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        July 31, 2023 10:32am
  - My
    
    My guess is that Lab have given up on East Coast, or on the whole election.
    Tamiti, is either some sort of political masochist, or just such a nice guy that when they couldn’t find anyone else he says I’ll take one for the Party..
    
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    July 31, 2023 10:08am
- alex Masterley
  
  Trying to return to the trough. Must have found real life too difficult.
  
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  July 31, 2023 8:43am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    More likely twigged that he will be paid three months salary as a severance if he is defeated at the General Election and doesn’t make it in via the list. If he retires, there’s no severance pay. Follow the money…
    
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    July 31, 2023 9:30am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      If he is already an MP he gets the three moths payment irrespective of whether he stands or not
      
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      July 31, 2023 9:42am
      - Prince
        
        Seriously ? So an MP who retires gets 3 months extra pay ? Why ?
        
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        July 31, 2023 4:48pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Reply to Prince:
        
        MPs who lose their seats (this dates back to FPTP) used to get nothing; this was thought to be pretty tough to be out on one’s ear at the whim of the electorate – particularly when elections were in Nov & the Christmas shutdown loomed.
        
        This drove the perverse behaviour of MPs not retiring even when they wanted to go, so by standing they got the 3 months salary. So, in an early example of ‘equity’ it was decided that all MPs exiting at a General Election get the 3 months. Not sure about those who resign mid term.
        
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        July 31, 2023 8:13pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What now?
  
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  July 31, 2023 9:02am
  - Nickc2
    
    So he can practice conceiving more babies. Oops, do they do that, or do they just ‘send out’ for one?
    
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    July 31, 2023 9:53am
    - Martonman
      
      Uber
      
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      July 31, 2023 10:54am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  He’s one of these vile people who openly expresses a dislike of democracy, isn’t he?
  
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  July 31, 2023 9:06am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Tries to enact it in Rotorua, too.
    
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    July 31, 2023 11:42pm
- Burtland
  
  Tamati’s tweaked democracy is clearly still in favor
  
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  July 31, 2023 11:20am
Matt Long

Peters promises an independent inquiry into the covid response, reinstatement of jobs lost because of vaccine mandates, and compensation for people affected.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/peters-feeds-the-five-hundred-in-the-north
He faces a major problem convincing people the whole fiasco wasn’t his fault for anointing Ardern, but points out that over 50% of voters anointed her in 2020 which is when the real problems began.
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July 31, 2023 8:12am
- Gravelroad
  
  Wasn’t Mr Peters going to abolish the Maori seats?
  What happened to that idea?
  Lost in the ocean of new opportunities for handouts and opportunities for influence perhaps.
  
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  July 31, 2023 8:19am
  - pdm
    
    Gravel – – baubles came easier and without the drama.
    
    Or hard work.
    
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    July 31, 2023 8:25am
  - Matt Long
    
    He promised to abolish Maori seats like Mr Keys did, the difference is Key was actually in a position to do what he said, but he decided to kick off co-governance instead.
    But point taken, Peters is unlikely to get an independent enquiry, it depends on if public opinion can be swayed.
    
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    July 31, 2023 8:34am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Probably, but he had nothing to do with covid policies. That was all Labour with the full support of National and Act.
    
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    July 31, 2023 9:05am
    - mawm
      
      The OP was about a covid inquiry and compensation, etc. not about anything else. Distraction is a leftist ploy being used by the above commenters.
      
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      July 31, 2023 12:31pm
    - stiff cheese
      
      Even though he was the Number 2 person in Cabinet for the first SIX months of our Pandemic response?
      
      At a time when the Reserve Bank was given authority to create FIFTY Billion new dollars (sowing the seeds of our current high inflation, and high interest rates).
      
      Is he trying to wash his hands of that?
      
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      July 31, 2023 2:19pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Like him or loath him (as most National and Act supporters do), he isn’t responsible for the covid policies. He wasn’t there. The nightmare that was (and is) covid is down to Ardern and her bevy of ‘experts’ like Bloomfield, Baker, Wiles and the others.
  
  One thing to always remember, based on comments by National politicians during the worst abuses of covid by Labour, the only difference between them is, that they (National) would have done the same things only more efficiently.
  
  Based on those comments, it is a valid point that the country dodged a bullet when Peters went with Ardern.
  
  I know, a painful and awkward point of view, but we have the receipts. We know what National said at the time. Now they don’t want to talk about it at all.
  Maybe this explains why, because Labour will bring up all the things they said at the time. Chris ‘get boosted’ Bishop will be a great source for sound bites. Awkward. But something National need to somehow address. Those worst affected by the abuses will not forget no matter how much people want it to go away. Nor should they.
  
  It’s an easy fix. Simple apology, we got it wrong, it won’t happen again. Why does this seem to be so hard?
  
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  July 31, 2023 9:03am
  - mawm
    
    Well said.
    
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    July 31, 2023 12:35pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    I guess if you bang this drum long enough some politician will do something …. or not ….
    
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    July 31, 2023 5:03pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Ian Boag – I really don’t give a shit what the politicians do, I’m simply pointing out the blatantly obvious. Those who want to stick their heads in the sand and ignore the facts can do so to their heart’s content. They will end up suffocating as happens when you try these tactics.
      
      Don’t say you weren’t warned.
      
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      July 31, 2023 7:39pm
Maggie Pie

“The property values of neighbouring houses could also be increased with with the upgraded infrastructure and amenities that come with a high-density Kainga Ora development”

– Housing Minister Megan Woods (Q&A 29/07/23)

There might be a few residents out East Auckland way that would disagree?

https://twitter.com/NewstalkZB/status/1683363130007785473

LOL!!
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July 31, 2023 8:12am
- Tony Stuart
  
  House values COULD increase, but it’s likely to be in spite of Kainga Ora developments, not because of them!
  
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  July 31, 2023 8:21am
- Ruawai
  
  Possibly increase values in low value areas with poor quality housing but not high value areas.
  
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  July 31, 2023 9:20am
- Local Miller
  
  What upgraded infrastructure and amenities? We have 50+ KO houses being built on our crescent where there used to be about 20 houses. Roughly 2.5 now houses on every plot that previously held one house, and most are 2/3/4 bedroom houses with minimal parking. And there are similar sized developments within 2km of our house. The only infrastructure that’s been upgrade is one storm water drain! There have been no plans to add classrooms to any of the local schools, day care facilities etc. and no action to upgrade playgrounds, etc. One play school has been rebuilt on a new site and additional classes were added, but this was already needed before KO started adding houses.
  I will say one good thing, and that is that so far the quality of tenants has been better than what was in the old houses and we haven’t had the drug, gang and wild party behaviour that we saw previously. We were told by KO that they can’t pick and chose who goes into which houses and that it’s totally needs based, but from what we are actually seeing, they are putting more reliable tenants into the new houses.
  
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  July 31, 2023 9:25am
- Piniwi
  
  Ops hit report by mistake. Sunday we got this gem : “The Housing Minister says some of the opposition against Kāinga Ora developments is fuelled by “political rhetoric”, and that people need to realise most tenants are good neighbours.” I kid you not. Another Tui Moment.
  
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  July 31, 2023 10:31am
- Burtland
  
  hope they have installed sprinkler systems after the Loffers Lodge carry on ?
  
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  July 31, 2023 11:34am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  In other news, the moon COULD be made of green cheese.
  
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  July 31, 2023 8:17pm
Bridgenag

Sunday Strip: Too Much Government
Learning to live with less [a Tremain cartoon included]

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/sunday-strip-too-much-government?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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July 31, 2023 8:16am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Re Hunter Biden, this one made me laugh out loud!
  
  Apparently he’s still in ‘good standing’ as a lawyer in the DC bar. El gato malo nails it.
  
  https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/kitten-corner-standing-at-the-bar?
  
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  July 31, 2023 9:13am
Gravelroad

“In a statement this afternoon (March 2023), Coffey said he would not be contesting the seat this year – wanting to focus all his energy on his two children. “After the birth of our second child, I’ve reprioritised where I want to put my energy and that’s into our two kids, Tūtānekai and Taitimu,” he said.”

See ya later kids.
My seat on the gravy train has just become vacant……
Priorities.
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July 31, 2023 8:29am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Choo Choo Children.
  
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  July 31, 2023 8:31am
Maggie Pie

A bestie tweets….

“I think this is all in Aroha’s mind. Why on earth would she think everyone hates Maoris. It could of course be because the Media keep making sh!t up about all that gang violence and stuff?”

https://1news.co.nz/2023/07/28/why-aroha-has-to-use-a-pakeha-name-when-applying-for-rentals/
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July 31, 2023 8:38am
- Matt Long
  
  It’s a problem, the last 3 tenants that trashed the house , had parties that upset the neighbours and didn’t pay their rent were Maori, the lovely single mum turned out to be a trojan horse for creating a gang pad and the bright sparks in Wellington made it impossible to evict people.
  Racial profiling is a thing and the bad eggs are ruining it for people with similar genes.
  
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  July 31, 2023 9:04am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Joe’s legacy. Keep the fuel prices high so more people go EV.
I am sure the crazy thinking is happening in NZ.

https://2020conservative.com/bidens-biggest-failure-comes-back-to-haunt-every-last-one-of-them/
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July 31, 2023 8:38am
- Burtland
  
  Going to be interesting to see how the Marxists get around ETS inequity
  
  The Green lawyer brigade have forced Labour to put the ETS back in place – its the only mechanism currently for reducing carbon but creates inequity.
  
  Will we see fuel rationing so the poor can continue to pollute but not the rich ?
  – or will the “rick pricks” be forced to subsidize electric cars further ?
  
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  July 31, 2023 11:55am
  - rouppe
    
    Interesting experience:
    
    I used to drive a 3.0R outback. 63 litre tank. When I’d go skiing at Turoa, it would take a bit more than a tank of fuel to drive up to Ohakune, two mountain ascents to the base area parking and drive home.
    
    About a year ago I bought a 2l Bitdi Passat Alltrack. Last weekend I went skiing. Same trip, to Ohakune, twice up the mountain and home.
    
    Used just over half a tank.
    
    If that isn’t a substantial saving I don’t know what is.
    
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    July 31, 2023 9:23pm
Swifty

Remember the Luddites?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/494812/actors-and-writers-strike-a-last-ditch-effort-to-rein-in-ai-revolution-on-screen

Good to see Denise Roche true to form too – always at the front campaigning for the pockets of New Zealand families to be picked to prop up special interests.
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July 31, 2023 8:43am
- kowtow
  
  Apparently banks in the UK are using AI to trawl customers social media , then if they find stuff they don’t like you’re “de banked”.
  
  btw the banks don’t like accepting cash from small /medium business putting pressure on them .
  
  Social credit is on the way .
  
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  July 31, 2023 9:12am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    And if you try to avoid the surveillance industry creeps with widely available privacy and security tools, you must be up to something darkly criminal!
    
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    July 31, 2023 11:53am
- Raphael
  
  This is a genuine issue and while the focus is on the BIG name stars and everyone is saying they already get paid too much. Currently an extra on set is paid around a base of $200/day. with a bonus if they do additional things (e.g. ride a bike).
  
  The Holywood execs are now offering those extras a single payment of $200 to digitise their likeness and then be able to use them in any existing or future productions with absolutely no additional payment.
  
  It will literally kill the acting industry. Apart from stage (which doesn’t offer much), there will no longer be a viable way to become an actor which, while I dislike the Leftisim of many actors, I think would be a very bad thing, Players and Acting go back to being one of our earliest professions.
  
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  July 31, 2023 10:21am
  - Swifty
    
    What are you going to do about it though?
    
    Make laws to force the use of actual people under the threat of fines or prison? Throw Peter Jackson and Taika Waititi in the big house for using AI to stay competitive?
    
    I argue that we must accept the advance of technology and try to harness it for the better – not try to hold back the inevitable in vain.
    
    And if there is a market for real life acting then people will find a way to make it pay. If there’s not then taxpayer money shouldn’t be used to try to make up the difference.
    
    But who am I kidding. Of course Labour and their luvvies will try to use the law, and taxpayer cash, to ensure the livelihoods of their mates. They love this kind of stuff. It’s their bread and butter.
    
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    July 31, 2023 11:50am
  - cmm
    
    “It will literally kill the acting industry.”
    
    So what? Technology tends to do that: destroy jobs better done by machines.
    
    200 years ago ships got loaded by hundreds of men carrying sacks on their backs – then came cranes and container ships.
    
    200 years ago, digging a ditch would employ 5 men for a week. Now one guy does it in 30 minutes with an excavator.
    
    50 years ago checkout operators typed in all the numbers by hand. Their numbers were savaged by bar codes and then, later, self checkouts.
    
    So why shed a tear for the actors? CGI can generate pixels as well, maybe better, than a sack of meat. CGI doesn’t go on strike.
    
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    July 31, 2023 1:24pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Has Hillary lost it?

https://2020conservative.com/what-hillary-is-blaming-you-for-now-is-absolutely-revolting/

Who is to blame? According to Clinton, you are. “MAGA Republicans,” she said, are to blame for it being hot in the summer.
Man, you really have to work hard to be this stupid.
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July 31, 2023 8:46am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Well, if these people really wanted to follow the science™ then they should be applauding global warming, even if it did exist.
  
  This post from former Greenpeace Director Patrick Moore, shows that excess cold kills ten times as many people than excess heat. He then goes on to show how, yet again, these people manipulate data and statistics to lie about the dangers.
  
  Global warming will save many lives … but we have to keep that quiet
  
  https://wherearethenumbers.substack.com/p/global-warming-will-save-many-lives
  
  Data manipulation and lies, just like with the covid narrative. As predicted.
  
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  July 31, 2023 9:31am
  - All_on_Red
    
    The way Lancet manipulated that Graph shows exactly how Alarmist Science Deniers like Wayne Mapp, Bullion and surfing get fooled.
    
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    July 31, 2023 9:54am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      AoR – 100% agree with you, I just wonder how such people who are apparently intelligent, cannot see through this for themselves?
      
      Presumably they depend solely on mainstream sources for all of their information. Such faith and trust is almost endearing if it wasn’t so dangerous.
      
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      July 31, 2023 10:04am
  - alloytoo
    
    One has to wonder how the Vikings handled global warming back in the day, or the Romans……
    
    Oh they flourished.
    
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    July 31, 2023 11:01am
  - Ian Boag
    
    The warming in itself doesn’t amount to a lot. It’s the climate consequences that are more of a worry. Ocean conveyor shutdown, methane megafart from melting Siberian permafrost, drought and floods, more energetic hurricanes, ice retreat at the poles ….
    
    The best thing is of course that we don’t have to deal with this because it is happening slow enough that our children and grandchildren will be managing it.
    
    Or is this just “weather” ….. ?
    
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    July 31, 2023 5:12pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Its weather
      Fortunately the things on your list arent increasing.
      Im busy but heres one on your list for you
      ‘ [D]ata for all year 2022 tropical storms shows that global wide, storms were at their lowest strength levels in the last 42 years (since 1981) as shown by the ACE (Accumulated Cyclone Energy reflecting the combined frequency, intensity and duration of all storms) data below from Colorado State University’s Department of Atmospheric Science which tracks NOAA’s National Hurricane Center tropical storm data’
      Do you know who NOAA is?
      Nice Graph of Accumulated Cyclone energy etc in the Link
      https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/01/extreme-weather-events-declining.php
      
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      July 31, 2023 5:31pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        The Siberian permafrost isn’t melting? The Atlantic conveyor is in good health? The fact that the NW passage has opened does not mean Arctic ice has been retreating for a while?
        
        When does “weather” become “climate” ….
        
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        July 31, 2023 6:10pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        If those things are happening then put up your sources.
        Otherwise its just trolling blather as you ask questions for others to address…
        Since you clearly dont know, you need 30 years of weather for a trend and for that to be called Climate.
        Still, at least today you learned that the Frequency and Severity of Hurricanes and Cyclones is not increasing or intensifying.
        Thats something I guess.
        
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        July 31, 2023 6:41pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Yes it is just the weather.
      
      We live on a rock floating through an incomprehensively large universe which we have very limited understanding of.
      
      The idea we can control or influence the climate to any great extent is the most narcissistic thing I have ever heard. But take it to the ultimate conclusion, the sun will burn out and become a white dwarf – maybe.
      
      https://www.universetoday.com/25669/the-sun-as-a-white-dwarf-star/
      
      Humans are undoubtedly the most arrogant bunch of tossers on the planet. Probably the universe.
      The vanity is obnoxious, the concern for the plants and species that have spent millions of years evolving is inane, but touching. Let’s put everything in a terrarium and control the shit out of it.
      Get a grip.
      
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      July 31, 2023 7:46pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This is how the American Military treat their soldiers.
Department of Defense declined to pay for the fallen hero’s body to be moved from California to Arlington Cemetery. These days Veterans are treated like shit. Drugs, alcohol and homeless – all for what?
All gave some, some gave all.

https://2020conservative.com/disgusting-family-of-marine-killed-in-afghanistan-forced-to-pay-60k-to-ship-body-to-final-resting-place/
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July 31, 2023 8:53am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Michael Obama against Donald Trump?

https://2020conservative.com/whoa-roger-stone-predicts-michelle-obama-will-be-the-2024-democrat-presidential-candidate/
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July 31, 2023 8:54am
- Raphael
  
  she could win against Trump.
  
  While I largely like Trump, I think he is now too divisive to be a good choice for the Republican candidate.
  
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  July 31, 2023 10:22am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trump will be the Republican Candidate, and he will win bigly as long as the Democrats don’t cheat.
    
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    July 31, 2023 10:35am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Sorry Steve, but Trump wont get enough Electoral College Votes as he will lose 3 -4 key States.
      Not so sure he will be the Nominee either.
      Biden sure wont be.
      Last time the GOP didn’t really have a choice apart from Trump.
      This time they do.
      
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      July 31, 2023 11:09am
      - Colville
        
        Agreed.
        
        A lot of people LOVE Trump but an almost equal amount HATE him with a passion… there are very few which are not firmly in one camp or the other and willing to be persuaded..
        
        and we know elections are won by moving the center to you…Trump wont/cant do that.
        
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        July 31, 2023 11:42am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Watch the rallies. Trump’s supporters are right behind him. 2016 Trump underestimated the size of the swamp. He picked off a scab and exposed a pus filled festering sore.
        2020 he lost by Dems cheating. Come 2024 there will be more followers who want that sore lanced. Democrats are just an unorganised mess. Can’t see that improving. Also many Black Americans leaving the plantation. They found out the Dems don’t give a fuck about them, only their vote. Candace Owens is right behind that.
        Trump 2024.
        This is pre 2020. Very true.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S63MW41dP58
        
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        July 31, 2023 11:59am
  - mawm
    
    Raphael – Trump is many things but he’s not divisive. This is part of the narrative from the left that through endless repetition in the MSM and through active division promoted by those in DC who wanted to destroy his Presidency that has become embedded in everybody’s minds.
    
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    July 31, 2023 1:47pm
I remember when

A Cabinet dominated by Wellington:
A point that David failed to highlight is that only two (11%) of Cabinet represents the South Island (23.5%) of NZ population.
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July 31, 2023 8:55am
- ClanMcleod
  
  And none represent the hundreds of thousands of NZers who refused to take part in the covid medical experiment. Who were subsequently segregated, deplatformed, sacked, abused and vilified.
  
  Not one politician speaks for them. Let that sink in.
  
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  July 31, 2023 9:40am
  - Bridgenag
    
    sadly the charlatan did
    
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    July 31, 2023 1:01pm
    - cmm
      
      … and it could be enough to get his bum back on the seat.
      
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      July 31, 2023 1:27pm
    - mawm
      
      Bridge – if nobody else will then an opportunist will grasp it with both hands.
      
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      July 31, 2023 1:51pm
greybeard

I heard Mike Hosking talking to someone from “Tourism Industry Aotearoa” this morning, and wondered why it was not called “Tourism Industry New Zealand”.

After checking a bit I found TIA website and this paragraph:

“We updated our name from the Tourism Industry Association New Zealand to Tourism Industry Aotearoa (TIA) in May 2016. We did this to better reflect who we are, what we do and to highlight New Zealand’s unique selling point – our culture.”

“Our culture”: what they mean is the culture of about 15% of New Zealand’s population !

The cultural importance of the other 85% of the country apparently has no value whatsoever.
No English, Welsh, Scottish or Irish culture is recognised; no Indian, Chinese or South Pacific cultures rate a mention, nor does the culture of the myriad other races in NZ.

This maorification process does not go unnoticed, nor does it meet with the levels of approval assumed and desired by the perpetrators.
I am sure I am not the only one who has just had enough of it.
Roll on October 14th.
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July 31, 2023 8:57am
- Ruawai
  
  This is actually nuts as when a tourist is searching online for information about New Zealand they would never think to search Aotearoa.
  
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  July 31, 2023 9:18am
  - Ghost
    
    Nothing to do with tourists, it represents the industry. Anyone googling for tourism nz will get the nz tourism websites.
    
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    July 31, 2023 9:26am
  - kowloon
    
    Wouldn’t find A e te arower on a map either.
    
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    July 31, 2023 11:35am
    - Ghost
      
      There is actually a Maori world map for sale where they have given countries Maori names….🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤐
      
      https://www.andrewdc.co.nz/product/te-reo-maori-world-map/
      
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      July 31, 2023 11:41am
- Waipuk
  
  For me I don’t associate with anything which has Aotearoa in the title. This includes refusing to give to charities.
  
  Just getting sick of the whole thing.
  
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  July 31, 2023 9:20am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Yep. Or do over-the-top pronunciations of Maori place names or drop random te reo into their spiels.
    
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    July 31, 2023 7:12pm
- Ghost
  
  This isn’t a government department, if they want to rebrand that is up to their members and board.
  
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  July 31, 2023 9:36am
  - kowtow
    
    How much pressure , indirect or direct is being placed on any and every institution in NZ that receives tax payer funds ……..
    
    In an open and transparent democracy we should know.
    
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    July 31, 2023 12:08pm
    - Ghost
      
      It’s just what business are doing. Warehouse now has Kia Ora all over their window. Domino’s have a Maori section on their website. Private businesses are picking up Maori as though it’s a new trend. That won’t change after the election.
      
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      July 31, 2023 12:47pm
      - mawm
        
        But they lose my support. I’ll go out of my way to support a non politicised equivalent.
        
        I did the same with Gillette when they had an advert that was openly anti men, and I can thank them for it because I have found far better products to replace theirs. I would never have imbibed Bud light but the rest of the products from their stable I will not touch.
        
        See how it works?
        
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        July 31, 2023 1:57pm
      - Ghost
        
        It’s the only way change will happen, thats if enough people care to stand against it.
        
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        July 31, 2023 2:25pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Ghost: “It’s the only way change will happen, that’s if enough people care to stand against it.”
        
        Completely true. If only people knew the power they have there and if only they wielded it.
        
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        July 31, 2023 8:02pm
      - Ghost
        
        I don’t think New Zealanders really care about much. The Americans, now they know how to make a company listen to them as we have seen the past year. Here, ummm how’s that spark boycott going…l
        
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        July 31, 2023 8:20pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Ghost: “I don’t think New Zealanders really care about much.”
        
        Sadly it’s my personal experience that appears to be true for many. If you’ve got a reasonably good income and your head is above water you’re probably too exhausted and frightened to look around you too much. Quite a few people find refuge in religion/woo to escape facing reality too.
        
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        July 31, 2023 8:30pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  A TIA is a transient ischemic attack, ie a stroke
  
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  July 31, 2023 8:28pm
Maggie Pie

One of the girls from tennis tweets 😀

You’re sitting home out West Auckland watching another rerun of 1000-lb Sisters when there’s a knock at the door……

What do you say to these guys?

https://twitter.com/BeeFaerie/status/1685475140774367232
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July 31, 2023 9:06am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Release the hounds……
  
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  July 31, 2023 9:09am
- Ghost
  
  I didn’t realise the special olympics were on yet.
  
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  July 31, 2023 9:12am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    They want to run the country! 😀 😀 😀
    
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    July 31, 2023 9:21am
    - Ghost
      
      I doubt they could run the dash to the gate and the jump over away from the dog.
      
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      July 31, 2023 9:22am
- mandk
  
  Down ticked, but only because you should have included a mental health warning.
  
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  July 31, 2023 9:31am
- alex Masterley
  
  I was thinking a short pithy anglo-saxon term along the lines of “..be off with you..” or words to that effect.
  
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  July 31, 2023 9:41am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Good Lord. I’d hide, and pretend I wasn’t home!
  
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  July 31, 2023 9:42am
  - Ghost
    
    But what happens when they knock on a Mormon or Jehovah’s door? Hmmm what’s the protocol for which side starts preaching first.
    
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    July 31, 2023 9:50am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Only two words needed and no prizes for guessing what they are!
  
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  July 31, 2023 9:43am
- artemisia
  
  Maggie, smile warmly and ask a lot of polite and interested questions about their candidate and Labour intentions. Try not to reveal true voting intentions. Wait till the door knockers are out the gate before laughing out loud.
  
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  July 31, 2023 10:06am
- plc
  
  I think it is important to remember that one in two New Zealanders (or Aotearoans) voted for this shower.
  
  There seems to be a lot of collective amnesia about how we got into this mess.
  
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  July 31, 2023 10:29am
- alloytoo
  
  Invite them in for the orgy.
  
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  July 31, 2023 11:09am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Wow, they look very similar to the starry eyed Victorian “Labor” evangelist lackeys.
  
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  July 31, 2023 11:57am
pdm

Surely it would be most unusual to have 7 people all named Deborah Russell, including 5 males, in one photo.

Is it an entry for the Guinness Book Of Records.
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July 31, 2023 9:26am
- Ghost
  
  They must know they are protected, why else would they wear Mongrel Mob colours?
  
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  July 31, 2023 9:44am
Grunter

A very good read from Sir Roger Douglas. NZ’s current plan simply does not work financially, we run out of money.

https://www.nzcpr.com/why-a-lack-of-imagination-threatens-our-very-future/

Here’s a paragraph that sums up his thinking;
“The only way to solve the huge problems we have throughout the welfare area and as a result the economic area as well is to give the money the government spends back to those who earned it or most need it, and empower them to purchase their own education, their own health coverage, their own insurance against risks like job loss accidents and sickness, and to save for their own retirement.”
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July 31, 2023 9:34am
- Ian Boag
  
  A great idea. The logistics are a bit daunting though.
  
  Retirement? My kids of course will be happy to keep paying for my retirement while they are saving for theirs where there will be little or no state input. They won’t be getting anything from their kids in retirement. That should work well …..
  
  Education costs of course would go to US levels eg a year in medical school which currently costs about $10k would go to something like $50k (fees are about 20% of the costs). “Normal” uni and pokytech courses would probably only get to $30k/year.
  
  That transition would be interesting.
  
  Purchasing health insurance for everything would also be a bit novel. Currently available health insurance is basically just an income-smoothing scheme for surgeons doing non-acute work. They don’t do tricky stuff like brain surgery or the like. Particularly if there are lengthy hospital stays involved. The current private system does not deal with acute medical issues. It would all be a bit different and a whole lot dearer if you had something serious.
  
  Douglas is 85. None of this is his problem as he will be gone in a few years. Nice of him to offer solutions though.
  
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  December 31, 2021 6:02pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  “those who earned it or most need it” – well, which is it?
  
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  July 31, 2023 10:32am
- kowloon
  
  Douglas had a major part in setting this situation in place during the 1980’s
  
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  July 31, 2023 11:39am
cas

I didn’t see this mentioned yesterday. Tracy W is really p…d off that the PM and his office wouldn’t respond until they had made up their press statements. I wonder whether it will affect their coverage. And she has no time for the wailing and pity me stuff.

https://www.thepost.co.nz/a/politics/350044864/there-price-pay-power-kiri-allan-paid-it
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July 31, 2023 9:36am
- plc
  
  OMG….Tracey Watkins is editor of those rags
  
  Hope she’s paid on circulation performance
  
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  July 31, 2023 10:31am
Chuck Bird

This is interesting. I will email Dr Sam Dean and ask him if he is willing to debate with Dr Judith Curry. The video from the link below allows comments.

Facing the climate future after hottest month on record |Q+A 2023

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MTTGcfmxyI
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July 31, 2023 9:38am
- Chuck Bird
  
  He was on with Jack Tame on Sunday.
  
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  July 31, 2023 10:41am
Maggie Pie

A girl from Mass sent me this last night – it’s truly terrifying 🙁

“The Human Genome Has Been Permanently Altered.
And will only get worse from here”

https://twitter.com/dystopian_DU/status/1684452180336742406

God help us all.
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July 31, 2023 9:42am
- ClanMcleod
  
  As more information emerges regarding the nightmare imposed on us and enabled by ALL of our elected representatives and so called ‘experts’, it is rapidly coming to the point that denial is impossible.
  
  Politicians can run but they can’t hide forever.
  
  Where are our representatives? Why are they not speaking out?
  
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  July 31, 2023 9:50am
- ClanMcleod
  
  More evidence of the disaster that the covid vaccine truly is.
  
  There’s a health epidemic plaguing the world that no one seems to want to talk about. Daily, we encounter alarming stories of individuals – previously in sound health – unexpectedly collapsing on the pitch, experiencing severe blood clots, or succumbing to sudden death.
  
  https://vigilantfox.substack.com/p/ed-dowd-reveals-the-top-contenders
  
  In NZ, get your booster!!! And we still mandate health workers. Astonishing.
  
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  July 31, 2023 9:53am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Clan. Have you seen the Swiss research ?
    1 in 35 have Myacarditus.
    Astounding.
    
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    July 31, 2023 10:46am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      MM – it’s the most depressed I’ve been in many years. The evidence is incontrovertible, yet we apparently have nobody other than the charlatan and chancer Peters, prepared to say anything at all!!!
      
      Yet the Nat supporters tell us if we don’t vote for them it will be all our fault if the scum Labour party and the parasites that support them get back into power!!
      
      All National need to do is grow a spine, admit they got it wrong, that Labour screwed the country, that National should not have supported them, that they were conned by Labour. Game over.
      
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      July 31, 2023 7:55pm
  - Keith White
    
    New Zealand Medical Council will not accept or hear any complaints about the doctor who is the current Minister of Health in regards to the toxic booster adverts.
    
    New Zealand Medical Council will not accept or hear any complaints about the Sir-doctor who was the previous Chief Medical Officer in regards to the toxic jab which breached the principles of ‘do no harm’ and ‘informed consent’.
    
    The National (Medical) Ethics Committee will not enter any correspondence about the ethics of breaches of the principles of ‘do no harm’ and ‘informed consent’.
    
    The local MP will not agree to meet to discuss this issue under any circumstances.
    
    Both the Ferald and its regional equivalent won’t publish any letters or opinions to provide balance to the MSM’s three years of bought and paid for jab tongue-bathing.
    
    Handing out flyers at a city market resulted in 60:40 between those who say “better late than never” and those who say “so you’re ignoring science”.
    
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    July 31, 2023 10:56am
- mandk
  
  Does this mean I can look forward to being treated as a demi-God because I am unvaxxed and have pure DNA?
  
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  July 31, 2023 10:10am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Your semen is worth bottling 😛
    
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    July 31, 2023 10:39am
  - Ghost
    
    best to pretend you’re vaccinated.
    
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    July 31, 2023 10:44am
- Maggie Pie
  
  WATCH…..
  
  Earth shattering results show reproducible evidence now exists that these ‘vaccines’ are incredibly dangerous and must be taken off the market immediately.
  
  https://youtube.com/watch?v=gBOyPREXGh8
  
  >> This is a 4 minit presentation – starts @ 4:58:50
  
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  July 31, 2023 11:18am
- mawm
  
  Maggie – Here’s more on the science of what is suspected to be occurring.
  https://rairfoundation.com/genetic-manipulation-33-dna-in-covid-vaccines-exposed-by-dr-chris-shoemaker-in-exclusive-interview-video/
  
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  July 31, 2023 2:07pm
ClanMcleod

And just when you thought totalitarian regimes had reached peak abuse we have this from Trudeau’s Canada:

They wouldn’t give this man a kidney transplant and he died, yet they wanted his organs donated for others???? This is Mengeles level human rights abuse.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/unvaccinated-transplant-patients-being-murdered-canada/5826724
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July 31, 2023 9:56am
- mandk
  
  They are real health fascists in Canada.
  
  In 2021, my daughter-in-law was forced to wear a surgical mask while giving birth.
  
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  July 31, 2023 10:07am
- Blog-aholic
  
  If true then that really is quite goulish. To exclude him from an organ and then once dead consider him organ fodder is FITH thinking.
  
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  July 31, 2023 10:09am
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    Blog-aholic – I had my doubts about the story but managed to find it in at least 5 different publications. It’s as true as I can manage to verify it.
    
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    August 1, 2023 6:50am
- Ghost
  
  I had a friend in Arizona who needed a kidney transplant, she was told unless she got the vax she would not get the transplant, she got the vax and died needing a heart, lung and kidney transplant a few months later.
  
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  July 31, 2023 10:16am
ClanMcleod

This week in the New Normal….

1. HIGHLY CONVENIENT RED MEAT ALLERGIES SPREADING
This week the US CDC reported that over 450,000 US citizens may be allergic to red meat, thanks to the spread of an (allegedly) tick-borne infection called “Alpha-gal syndrome”.

According to the BBC:

New data released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Thursday shows a steep increase in cases of alpha-gal syndrome. The allergy triggers a possibly life-threatening reaction to several types of meat or animal products. US scientists have traced alpha-gal to saliva from the lone star tick.

And, in a genius piece of narrative cross-pollination [emphasis added]:

The tick is identified by the white spot on its back and is mostly found in southern and eastern parts of the US. But experts warn that their range is expanding due to climate change.

That is a very neat piece of propaganda. Well played globalists.

See climate change can be blamed for spreading the “allergy” which means people can’t eat red meat, which they shouldn’t anyway…due to climate change.

The other stories are equally readable.
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July 31, 2023 9:59am
- ISeeRed
  
  This is satire, right? “Alpha gal” sounds like something you’d ironically call a typical blue-haired, man-hating vegan feminist.
  
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  July 31, 2023 7:19pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Nope, not satire.
    
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    July 31, 2023 8:08pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    This is the link to the BBC article re Alpha gal.
    
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66333478
    
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    August 1, 2023 7:09am
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-express/news/300885816/the-labour-candidate-with-the-not-necessarily-labour-family

Great news – Jacinda Mk2 is set to walk amongst us.
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July 31, 2023 10:29am
- plc
  
  I thought GM was banned in New Zealand
  
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  July 31, 2023 10:33am
- mandk
  
  I see that the party judiciously decided not to have her smiling in her campaign photo.
  
  Probably the smartest thing they have done in these past six years.
  
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  July 31, 2023 10:56am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Let’s hope she’s in a stable relationship 😀
  
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  July 31, 2023 11:20am
WaynelSexton

Just a reminder that the earth has been cooling 0.1 to 0.3 °C per millennium for the last 7000 years.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_climatic_optimum
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July 31, 2023 10:40am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Halt Denier scum!
  
  Don’t ya know it’s settled science that it’s the hottest month eva and the planet is about to boil real soon?
  
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  July 31, 2023 12:00pm
I remember when

What is it about Palmerston North.
First, it was Basil, now it is his waiting staff!
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July 31, 2023 10:48am
- Ruawai
  
  I remember when, that is gold, you win the internet today!!!
  
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  July 31, 2023 11:29am
- Pavel
  
  Wasn’t the Spanish teams comments bang on. I see stuff ran an article of all the exciting things to do like, visit a gardern, get a photo in front of the town clock, go to a museum, look for painted rocks in the park, go to the local barbers and talk to a parrot, go to timezone or watch the barbie movie. Sounds like a super exciting place for a team of young females to go to and have a great time.
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/fifa-womens-world-cup-2023/300938662/palmys-not-boring-mayor-invites-spanish-football-team-back-for-a-night-out
  
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  July 31, 2023 3:46pm
alex Masterley

Labours list rankings will be released later this morning.
Let the fun begin…
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July 31, 2023 10:50am
- Colville
  
  Who is going to do a list showing, on current polling, who would survive the election??
  
  It would be asking too much for a reporter to do it!
  
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  July 31, 2023 11:46am
- igm
  
  Incompetent rogues’ picnic comes to mind.
  What a pathetic lineup of losers . . . none having achieved anything other than taxpayers’ support for their miserable lives.
  
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  July 31, 2023 11:49am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/new-plymouth-live-stream-event-a-huge-success/
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July 31, 2023 10:54am
- Keith White
  
  The Ferald leads the way in smear tactics again…
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/stop-co-governance-tour-has-ex-national-front-organiser-who-believes-white-people-are-being-targeted/6FLNXOQA6BESVFLVHLNMTCKR6I/
  
  (Mod: link is to a NZ Herald hit-article on one of the organizers of the meeting)
  
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  July 31, 2023 11:02am
  - jon
    
    Keith, such rubbish pieces certainly has me questioning my monthly sub to the Herald.
    
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    July 31, 2023 11:40am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Please help put them out of our misery!
      
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      July 31, 2023 12:03pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Paywalled. Wonder who the author is or is it just not there?
    
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    July 31, 2023 12:31pm
    - Keith White
      
      Authors are “By: David Fisher and James Pocock”
      
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      July 31, 2023 1:06pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        Vaguely recall David Fisher was a media hitman-for-hire who had something to do with Kim Dotcom or other anti-Nat factions?
        
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        July 31, 2023 1:26pm
I remember when

Sir Jonathon Porritt:
“Albanese would have had these tough words to Chris Hipkins this week.
You’ve got to wrap your head around the fact that all properous, successful economies of the future will be those that get really, really good at this low carbon transition.
So mate, stop treating it as an environmental issue and start treating it as a massive economic opportunity.”

If it’s going to be so obvious, isn’t the advice superfluous?
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July 31, 2023 10:58am
- Colville
  
  Did Albanese also mention the Aussie is stopping mining coal for China??
  
  Nope didn’t think so.
  
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  July 31, 2023 11:48am
Maggie Pie

Kelvinator’s at #2 ….wot does that tell ya?

LOL!!
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July 31, 2023 11:03am
- Grunter
  
  Imagine being one of the 74 idiots ranked below Kelvin Davis……! Surely you would be thinking something is seriously wrong??
  
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  July 31, 2023 11:21am
- Yabster
  
  River of filth has been flushed down the dunny to political oblivion #45 – think hes in a safe Labour seat though- Mt Roskill
  
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  July 31, 2023 11:24am
  - alex Masterley
    
    He is standing Mt Roskill so the list ranking wont affect him.
    
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    July 31, 2023 11:35am
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      I do not think that MR is as safe as it was.
      
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      July 31, 2023 12:01pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  The only one I hope retains her seat is Tukituki MP Anna Lorke.
  Friends tell me they can see of bit of me in Anna.
  
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  July 31, 2023 11:49am
  - Colville
    
    [You take it too far. mod.]
    
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    July 31, 2023 12:12pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  That’s tells me everything I need to know about Labours expectations of its grifters and who is leading Labour and it sure ain’t Hipkins.
  
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  July 31, 2023 11:58am
- hullkiwi
  
  Tells you the Labour Maori MPs are not as confident as 2017 & 2020. However, Nania is the only one standing in her seat only. The rest are a “bob each way”.
  
  But like you say the witless one at number two, the clueless 3 at 6 to 8 and a stack of Ministers 13 to 25 tells you how confident Labour are period!
  
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  July 31, 2023 12:08pm
- kevn
  
  Maggie… Token rating not for skill/competence.
  
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  July 31, 2023 3:33pm
I remember when

You don’t have to agree that climate change needs to be addressed, to support a well-designed and effective ETS.
You only have to accept that this government, like every Government and almost every opposition in the world, does agree that climate change needs to be addressed.

Yes, isn’t blackmail great.
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July 31, 2023 11:05am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Happy to agree that “accept” wasn’t the best choice of words there. “Recognise” or “acknowledge” would have been better.
  
  There’s a difference between “climate change is a problem that needs to be addressed” and “the Government’s position is that climate change is a problem that needs to be addressed”. To the second point it’s legitimate to respond “well it shouldn’t be”, but not “no it isn’t”. It is.
  
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  July 31, 2023 11:44am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Saying “climate change needs to be addressed” is like saying the sun needs to be addressed.
  
  It’s a dumb as rocks nothing statement.
  
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  July 31, 2023 12:08pm
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Never mind.
    
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    July 31, 2023 12:23pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    You’d need to believe that human Co2 is THE control knob for the earth’s climate. There is no empirical evidence for this.
    
    97% of Co2 emissions are natural. 3% of the Co2 is human activity derived.
    
    TOTAL Co2 is currently around 0.04% of the atmosphere.
    
    The “warming” effect of Co2 in the atmosphere diminishes with the more co2 you add. So it provides a “greenhouse effect” to a point, then that effect greatly diminishes with the more Co2 added.
    
    If the sun heats the oceans (which cover 70% of the earth’s surface and are very deep) they release Co2 into the atmosphere. The Oceans hold a lot more Co2 than the atmosphere. That’s why ice core records of ancient gas bubbles of trapped atmosphere clearly show heating happens first then atmospheric co2 rise follows (~800 year lag), NOT the other way around.
    
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    July 31, 2023 1:08pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I wasn’t even sure how to respond to that when I read it yesterday. I decided not to.
  Anyway.
  
  I saw some YT video yesterday indicating the Rishi Sunak was on his way up to Scotland to make some announcement about oil and gas.
  Apparently he’s going to announce something like oil and gas will be part of their energy future for some years to come, and there will be more investment made.
  I’ll keep an eye out to see what the announcement is actually about.
  Imagine if this was the way NZ decided to ‘address’ climate change…
  
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  July 31, 2023 2:16pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Here we go re Rishi and oil…
    Hands up who thinks the UK is fully on board about net zero insanity.
    Looks to me like reality and voters might have made some politicians start to look more closely at ‘the science’.
    
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    July 31, 2023 6:45pm
I remember when

Left wing belief, that Journalism has moved to the right.
Is that political persuasion (if it really was to happen), or just, a necessary correction.
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July 31, 2023 11:10am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Lefties have become more extreme in the main.
  
  Now they are further to the left, everyone else looks further to the right to them!
  
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  July 31, 2023 12:11pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Seven candidates vying for the GOP nomination.

https://libertyresolve.com/seven-republicans-have-qualified-for-first-debate-here-they-are/
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July 31, 2023 11:11am
I remember when

Vax mandates dropped in favour of risk-based approach for health workers.

Same result, slightly different reasoning.
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July 31, 2023 11:13am
Hugh Jarse

Just saw an article about the Mayor of Wellington, slamming Nationals roading policy. As a total abstract thought I wondered how a night out in Wellington with Tory and Kiri would end up ?.
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July 31, 2023 12:09pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Well we saw what another night out was like…..was Tipsy T with Tipsy K?
  
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  July 31, 2023 12:45pm
- Keith White
  
  With a Glasgow Coma Score of 12 and an entirely unpredictable Injury Severity Score…
  
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  July 31, 2023 1:09pm
NothingLeft

Sat down at a beach picnic table on weekend next to a near-retired couple, got talking. Once were landlords – had 10 down to 5 and moving to sell rest. Govt law changes made it uneconomic and risky for them.

Their children have all left NZ or are planning to, they’re likely leave too once they can divest. See no future in NZ as govt is charting a course for 3rd world status.

I’m hearing these same notes from just about everyone now. Seems like the whole productive sector of NZ, and anyone looking to future or with aspiration of a better life is mulling over leaving.

The vote-for-a-living left don’t seem to understand that while they need the right to survive, the work-for-a-living right doesn’t need them and don’t feel any duty to stay to support their parasitical excess and erosion of rights when the costs they impose are so high. Particularly when the left wing public service can’t even deliver the basics of government effectively (infrastructure, services and standards of living in decline).

Expecting the brain drain to kick into overdrive soon, terminally so if Labour somehow get back in. Labour are truly an existential threat to NZ’s future.
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July 31, 2023 1:22pm
Chuck Bird

I note with National’s roading plan there is no provision for a second harbour crossing in Auckland. Have I missed something?
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July 31, 2023 1:26pm
- NothingLeft
  
  It’s possible that the need will be obviated over next few years. Ridesharing robotaxis for commuters will be with us in a few years (before any bridge could be built), perhaps killing off buses and freeing up their lanes, and rapid growth of northshore population driving more growth in commercial centres and industry as well as death of CBD and retail shopping + ongoing work-from-home shift may all combine to reduce need.
  
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  July 31, 2023 1:39pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Probably a huge debate with the flaky Greens about cycleways.
  
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  July 31, 2023 3:11pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Apropos of the car transporter burning off the coast of Holland, it seems that there are circa 500 (of 3000) EVs on board, and not the 25 previously reported. Possibly the difference is hybrids; possibly EV fans are happy to blur the distinction.

Anyway, Dutch broadcaster RTL overheard firefighters saying that ‘the fire started in the battery of an electric car’.

Source: oilprice.com
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July 31, 2023 1:33pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Youtube video producers are calling the ship the Dutch Oven.
  
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  July 31, 2023 1:57pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Best signal is when they abandon ship early due fire and toxic smoke.
  Insurers are in panic mode regarding transportation of ev,s.
  If I was a ev manufacturer i would start seriously looking at building them easily to install / take out battery pack.
  Ie transport separate from completed car.
  It really is a matter of time until they will be banned as it currently stands.
  Insurers are in a pickle.
  
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  July 31, 2023 2:15pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It is done with trucks. One battery on board, one being charged in Auckland, and another fully charged in Hamiton. Mainfreight I think. Just a test.
    No idea what the payload is, very small I would think.
    
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    July 31, 2023 3:14pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Some people think EVs are ‘green’.
  They’re funny.
  
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  July 31, 2023 3:12pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They have never seen a bit of brown coal v a bit of black shiny coal.
    
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    July 31, 2023 4:18pm
Waipuk

Has this story been in the news? Or because it is a bad news EV story it’s not been covered.

This is an entertaining story about the fire but also explores the wider issues related to EV fires.
https://youtu.be/GZ9-mW-cmdE
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July 31, 2023 2:05pm
- Nickc2
  
  No concerns for NZers. Julie Anne Genter and James Shaw are looking after our interests.
  You can sleep easy with your EVs safely charging in your garages. //
  
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  July 31, 2023 2:57pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Wonder if that John Cadogan is the Master Mariner we know?
  Good stuff Waipuk
  
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  July 31, 2023 4:33pm
Maggie Pie

Things that make you go hmmm….

I recall my gran saying Dame Sian Elias was well known as an activist leftist dudge 🙁

https://twitter.com/shaneellall/status/1683582913210875908
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July 31, 2023 3:12pm
- alex Masterley
  
  I only see Dame Sian and one other person.
  Anyhoooo Dame Sian was an activist Barrister well before activist Barristers became fashionable. And then a judge of similar bent.
  I suppose one can be when married into the Fletcher family
  
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  July 31, 2023 4:00pm
  - Blog-aholic
    
    Yes, easy to be active in the cause du jour when one is not short of moolah.
    
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    July 31, 2023 4:12pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes, gran was saying she recalls Dame Sian was caught up in some sort of enquiry in relation to travel-expenses for her and her husbanfs travel to the US back around 2010.
    Must see if I can find anything about it.
    
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    July 31, 2023 4:40pm
Swifty

I regard myself as a proud capitalist running dog, but this smacks of anti-competitive behaviour designed purely to restrict consumer choice and inflate local margins:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/property/132650126/high-court-imposes-first-penalty-for-anticompetitive-land-covenant-use

Not a good look Mitre10. Not good at all.
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July 31, 2023 4:51pm
- greybeard
  
  Don’t worry, just a couple of Aussies having a territorial battle. No doubt Placemakers will get involved as well, in time.
  
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  July 31, 2023 5:36pm
slightlyrighty

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/justin-trudeau-voted-worst-prime-minister-in-nearly-six-decades/ss-AA1eqBBa?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=aed99bcd7e5349709d3afbca75b64389&ei=8#image=1

These “Progressives” don’t really have a clue do they!
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July 31, 2023 5:16pm
greybeard

Is there a “Worst advertisements on radio” competition ?

I listen to NewstalkZB quite a bit ( ok, I am an oldie ) and quite frankly I don’t know how grown-up people can (a) come up with such pap and (b) expect the public to respond positively and buy whatever rubbish they are advertising.

In my opinion the worst radio ad. on NewstalkZB at present is that puerile one for HRV . Execrable voices, totally childish production. If I was an HRV director or manager I would be bloody angry at what my money had produced.

And in Wellington we have for months had to endure a veritable onslaught from the oleaginous “Jeremy” from the Wellington City Mission:
come on NewstalkZB ! Enough is enough ! How much more of Jeremy’s “Joy” do we have to endure while we patiently wait for adults like Kate, Mike and Nick?
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July 31, 2023 5:34pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Try The Platform or Reality Check Radio on the internet.
  Neither is perfect (one or two shows on RCR are rather woo/pycho-babble filled, and sometimes the two main announcers on The Platform can be jerks to callers), however overall they are probably miles ahead of the unmitigated crap on offer elsewhere.
  
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  July 31, 2023 5:55pm
  - greybeard
    
    Cheers. Will do.
    
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    July 31, 2023 6:39pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/science/300937628/46000yearold-worms-wriggle-back-to-life-after-scientists-defrost-them
Isn’t this amazing ?
Just imagine: 46,000 years from now Winston Peters could be roaming the earth again…..
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July 31, 2023 6:09pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Amazing indeed.
  
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  July 31, 2023 7:57pm
Swifty

So, what accountability will be on show after this taxpayer money has been thrown away
on this medical device company Opum?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/taxpayer-dollars-kiwisaver-funds-trapped-as-auckland-medtech-firm-opum-falls-into-receivership/TTIICCIT5BCD3AMPCIA5LXWBQY/

Which political leader who called for this use of taxpayer money, or who happily used this funding of Opum as a means to champion their political party and how wonderful they are for ‘investing in our future’ – will now publicly accept that they were wrong and promise to immediately resign from public office, never to return?

None. No-one. Because that is the shitty state of our political system today. Money forcibly taken from the pockets of New Zealand families and thrown around by politicians in an attempt to burnish their political credentials. And when it, frequently, goes wrong never do we hear even a squeak from those politicians. Not one single scrap of remorse or shame – or anything even remotely approaching an apology. Not a single skerrick of contrition.

And what do we get instead?

Promises to do even more of it! They’ll be front and centre of the photo ops at the next funding announcement but nowhere to be seen when it all goes tits up.

We are mugs for putting up with it. Mugs.
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July 31, 2023 8:25pm
Swifty

Aussie’s ABC embarrass themselves over Covid, Wuhan etc:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH2Z1URrRwk
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July 31, 2023 8:48pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Think of RNZ on steroids. That’s the Australia’s ABC and SBS. Shockingly loony-left partisan taxpayer funded black holes.
  
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