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Warren

Election 2023 : How small business plan to vote.
The voting intention of small business owners has swung dramatically over the last three years, new research shows support for Labour has plummeted from 30% in the 2020 Election to just 15% now.
I believe that with figures like this now becoming available for the public tosee will only strengthen the call for a change of Government and make it harder for the Labour Leader Chris Hipkins to convince the public to give his rotten Government another term.
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July 30, 2023 8:01am
- Matt Long
  
  There’s also finally been a Reality Check Radio Curia poll in Northland, Grant McCullum, National has a clear lead, it looks like racism is affecting poor WJP, Labour, known as the invisible electorate mp, under around 20%, Shane Jones 6%, Mark Cameron 3% and Matt King 2%. About 30% undecided
  Sayonara Democracy NZ, I wished you well.
  
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  July 30, 2023 9:58am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Matt Long bro – 30% undecided who will in the end decide to vote Labour because of the GST off fruits and vegetables policy. 30% undecided makes this poll not worth even looking at. Moving on…
    
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    July 30, 2023 10:45am
    - O C Smith
      
      Sir C your conclusions re the 30% are strange. 16% did not vote in 2020 and turnout was 64% in 2015 so the % turnout of the ‘undecided’ will probably be low. GM should be safe.
      
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      July 30, 2023 1:29pm
    - O C Smith
      
      Sir C your conclusions re the 30% are strange. 16% did not vote in 2020 and turnout was 64% in 2015 so the % of the ‘undecided’ will probably be low. GM should be safe.
      
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      July 30, 2023 2:47pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Well, I did say the Nats polled Northland, and Nats were well ahead, and King was no where to be seen, apparently Slater was doing a poll, I bet he has Jones romping in
    
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    July 30, 2023 12:24pm
    - Matt Long
      
      The poll is from Slater’s show on RCR
      
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      July 30, 2023 1:13pm
      - Matt Long
        
        Interview with D Farrar
        
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        July 30, 2023 1:14pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    All DNZ does is take support from the right
    
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    July 30, 2023 12:25pm
    - Dougal10
      
      It doesnt take it from the right. It may waste it for the right . National could probably get it back if they weren’t so woke at the moment.
      
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      July 30, 2023 1:07pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Stick with Labour then ffs
        
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        July 30, 2023 9:52pm
    - mandk
      
      The right needs to earn the support of people who lost their jobs because of the mandate, or who did not want to be vaxxed but were coerced into it.
      
      National and ACT were both complicit. And they need to apologise for the harms they helped to cause.
      
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      July 30, 2023 1:07pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Warren – fake news. Small businesses were one of the traitors troika that put Cindy in power (traitors of Taranaki and farmers, the other two). No way they are going to abandon Labour. They are yet to endure more ram raids and financial ruin. They ain’t seen anything yet.
  
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  July 30, 2023 10:43am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    That’s not what I heard yesterday when campaigning at the market in Stratford in the morning, then at Manaia in the afternoon for the Taranaki vs Wellington rugby match to celebrate the centenary of Yarrows the Bakers.
    
    People have had an absolute gutsful of the Labour government, and can’t wait to start voting it out from Monday 2nd October.
    
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    July 30, 2023 11:28am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      I hope you are right Tony. I am making all comments based on the opinion polls which still show only a slight difference between NAT/ACT and the toxic trio which is worrying so close to election. NAT/ACT should be a clear 7-8% higher now than the 1-2% the polls are projecting. A good indication of the status will be through the Roy-Morgan poll due out sometime next week. If it still shows only a small gap, we all should be really worried.
      
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      July 30, 2023 9:47pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Farmers did not vote for this bullshit, they were polled through my work place snd that’s bullshit, farmers wives and family did vote and fall for Cindy’s lies, but they will NEVER forget
    
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    July 30, 2023 12:26pm
    - Ghost
      
      What is a farmers wife g? They typically work the farm as well, they are farmers as well, not just the wife.
      
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      July 30, 2023 12:31pm
      - Flossie
        
        Amen Ghost
        
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        July 30, 2023 1:01pm
      - Dougal10
        
        Lots are nurses ,school teachers , office administrators etc , they have to be because farming is mainly a break even business ,which we do because we enjoy being our own boss and producing food for people.
        
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        July 30, 2023 1:11pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Groan! Give it a rest.
        
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        July 30, 2023 4:28pm
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        Great response Ghost.
        
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        July 30, 2023 9:48pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Yes, but the poll put company did stated wives and family were the ones who voted this mess
        
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        July 30, 2023 9:56pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He looks more like a possum in the headlights everyday, I wonder if one of his ministers will run him over.
  
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  July 30, 2023 12:20pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  When you consider that small business will include the corporatised one-person band consultants & contractors that leach off central Govt, 15% is a frighteningly small number – if you’re Chippy.
  
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  July 30, 2023 2:08pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

From yesterday’s GD (below) – someone asked whether lithium battery fires happen here. Well, yes.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/07/person-critically-injured-after-electric-scooter-explodes-in-wellington-apartment.html

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Another dirty little e-bike secret. The damn things self-combust more often than you’d like – and when they burn, they burn bigly.

… the London Fire Brigade said it has been called to a fire caused by e-bike batteries on average once every two days in 2023.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66304564
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July 30, 2023 8:01am
Chuck Bird

This is something James Shaw should view but won’t.

“Follow the science!” This scientist says there aren’t enough minerals for our clean energy dreams.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXOUeeboygY
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July 30, 2023 8:03am
- Hacked-Off
  
  CB, Stop being bloody logical and break the Greens buzz – whatever they are smoking.
  
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  July 30, 2023 8:32am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Shaw doesn’t care that we can’t achieve ‘net zero’ and have a standard of living similar to what we have now – he simply wants rid of FF. Claims that their won’t be major upheavals (to be fair to Shaw, I’ve heard him tell us that their will be major upheavals) are bullshit.
  Mark points out what would be required to be able to make cars and produce energy in the same volumes/prices as we do now, and it’s pretty clear that it’s impossible. People like James Shaw and Luxon (who claims he’s fully on board with net zero) can still wreck our lives though. They either don’t understand the impossibility/enormity of the task, which makes them ignorant, or they do, which means they’re not our friends.
  Thankfully, we’re starting to hear from people (e.g Tony Blair and Lord Frost) who are suggesting that the net zero goals might be a wee bit lofty and maybe we should rein in on the insanity a little.
  
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  July 30, 2023 8:36am
  - Drone
    
    I agree with you Chris Nesbit however quoting Tony (Weapons of Mass Destruction) Blair and Lord (Brexit will work) Frost doesn’t fill me with hope. Both are consummate distorters of the truth and can only discredit any argument that are part of.
    
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    July 30, 2023 8:47am
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      Fair point.
      
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      July 30, 2023 9:15am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    For more about Mark P. Mills
    
    https://www.tech-pundit.com/about-mark-mills/
    
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    July 30, 2023 8:53am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Ech – multiple intances in my wee rant where “their” should have been “there”.
    
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    July 30, 2023 8:57am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    This is precisely why the Government’s approach is so idiotic. Get the ETS working properly and money will quickly find its way to the most effective and efficient low-carbon solutions. If electric cars aren’t an effective and efficient approach to reducing GHG emissions, for whatever reason, then emissions trading won’t make them happen. And that’s a good thing.
    
    By contrast, crippling the ETS and instead attempting to force through this or that particular emissions-reducing approach through a hodgepodge of tech-specific incentives, regulations and taxes absolutely guarantees that emissions reduction will be slower, patchier and far, far more expensive.
    
    Yes, making it more expensive to emit GHGs will be disruptive and cause upheavals. So did the invention of the telephone and the Internet.
    
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    July 30, 2023 9:33am
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      If electric cars aren’t an effective and efficient approach to reducing GHG emissions, we won’t have either ICE vehicles or EVs. I’m not sure that’s a good thing, esp. to fix a non-problem.
      Slight difference between telephones/internet and net zero. People weren’t forced by government into using them.
      
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      July 30, 2023 9:59am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        You don’t have to agree that climate change needs to be addressed, to support a well-designed and effective ETS. You only have to accept that this Government, like every Government and almost every opposition in the world, does agree that climate change needs to be addressed. That being the case, it is clearly in everybody’s interest that the Government take the approach which is most likely to deliver the most effective solutions for the least expense.
        
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        July 30, 2023 10:31am
      - JJ56
        
        A_R, ironically given the science and the uncertainty that is probably to do nothing about mitigation and focus on adaption as and when things become clearer.
        
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        July 30, 2023 3:13pm
- crackle
  
  Anyone making predictions like that woefully under esimates our capacity for innovation over very short time periods and pretty much should be ignored. Not that different to the peak oil idiots that were running around not that long ago…
  
  For example if this works out everything changes in so many ways.
  
  https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/superconductor-breakthrough-electricity-power-paper-b2382711.html
  
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  July 30, 2023 8:44am
  - Matt Long
    
    There’s certainly hope for innovation, however I’ve seen enough beat ups for miracle cures that “could” before they disappear into obscure failure, to not even bother reading your linked article.
    
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    July 30, 2023 9:18am
  - Cinematic
    
    Those pesky laws of physics and all that. Such a drag for all of these green ideals.
    
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    July 30, 2023 9:22am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    As has been pointed out by others, relying on innovation is a bit like jumping out of a plane and then hoping that somebody will invent a parachute before you hit the ground.
    
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    July 30, 2023 9:34am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I like the idea of transmitting electricity with no resistance.
    
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    July 30, 2023 10:21am
- WaynelSexton
  
  Buy silver and wait for reality to kick in
  
  https://www.pv-magazine.com/2023/01/06/why-solar-needs-to-slim-down-on-silver/
  
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  July 30, 2023 12:02pm
artemisia

Damien Grant today – More and more people are heard asking themselves ‘why do I stay?’

All my siblings and a lot of cousins are already in Australia and raising families there. Family member, a mid career midwife living in the provinces, says she can work there for 3 months and return with 3 months pay in her pocket.

Another family member has sold up and moved to south east Asia, living well. Young tradie and partner, no kids yet, looking across the ditch – family and mates already there. Doesn’t know it but his inheritance will be coming now, not future, to set up there.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/132633483/damien-grant-the-pathway-to-freedom-from-a-narrowminded-petty-economic-backwater
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July 30, 2023 8:05am
- Che Guava
  
  I understand the rationale, but it also reveals something that has been inculcated into the modern mindset that is a huge factor in so many of our problems – it’s all about “me” and there is no sense of a collective interest, obligation and responsibility.
  
  People have this idea that everything they have is solely a result of their own labours. This is partially true, but not wholly. We were all handed a legacy intact from our ancestors, but some are too piss weak to do anything to pass it on to posterity, in the collective sense. They’d rather just capitulate and slip out the back door to make things as easy as possible for number 1. Again, I get the rationale, but it is an ignoble mindset.
  
  This is tendency to bail out and save yourself applies as equally to people cashing up and leaving, as it does to people with their hands out on a benefit for 20 years, as it does to teen ram raiders. You wouldn’t want any of these people next to you fighting in a hypothetical trench, because they cannot be counted on due to their weak character.
  
  If it’s all about the individual, then who cares if we get co-governance or a useless government? Just head over to the airport and piss off. Stop bitching about it on Kiwiblog if you’re just going to bail out and save yourself.
  
  The going gets tough, a bit uncomfortable, and so people piss off. Lovely. If they claim to be New Zealanders who care about New Zealand, then they should have a commitment to the place. They should really have to renounce their citizenship on the way out too – after all, if they’re leaving, then go: fine, just don’t come crawling back if and when it suits.
  
  We see this same attitude at the level of marriage break-ups, for instance: no real commitment required, and so it’s all over as soon as things get a bit difficult.
  
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  July 30, 2023 10:02am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Yeah – Nah.
    
    Please set out HOW we as concerned Kiwi’s can actually turn around the cultural rot that is embedded in our core institutions: Standing Bureaucracy at Local and Central levels, Academia, Primary and Secondary education sector, Media, Political Parties.
    
    Our two main parties believe the treaty is a partnership. A pure lie!! but they both put that forward as the truth and act accordingly. And the institutions mentioned above are all on board with that lie and what flows from it.
    
    For the average kiwi who don’t agree with the lie, if they speak out they are attacked by the media, the lie promoting troll farms jump on the persons employer and basically try to destroy that average kiwis life. We have seen examples of this.
    
    So if National doesn’t have the backbone, if given the treasury benches by the electorate in a few months, to actually ROLL back the embedded lie based policies – what should an average kiwi concerned for they futures and that of their descendants do?
    
    Leave seems a valid, non violent reaction. if I was 10 years young I would be doing exactly that and I am encouraging the young members of my extended family to do just that; take your skills to Australia and don’t look back as New Zealand is pretty stuff if we don’t see radical change in the next government
    
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    July 30, 2023 11:12am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Hmm. If only the problem was confined to NZ, but it’s not. Sure, we have the co-governance thing & that’s a biggie. However, this will likely be true of every former colony, to a greater or lesser extent. Switching to your Euro roots, if you have them & if they’ll let you in – well, 15 minute cities, anyone? SE Asia is attractive but ultimately you’re a foreigner there & they can kick you out any time they like.
      
      So, NZ is my place & I’m not going anywhere. I’ll fight the good fight (metaphorically) here.
      
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      July 30, 2023 2:19pm
  - artemisia
    
    That legacy from ancestors, you say that like its a good thing. Ain’t necessarily so. And in my case definitely was not so. Still, what doesn’t kill us ….
    
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    July 30, 2023 11:29am
  - mawm
    
    Che – what this mass migration says to me is that there is no confidence in a National/ACT government turning the rot in our country around. Migrating is not easy and costs $$$’s and the decision to go is enormous. If there was hope that things would change significantly people would wait and see before going. But they are not; they are voting with their feet.
    
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    July 30, 2023 4:16pm
- Waipuk
  
  I am near retirement age but will not, well will not be able to retire at 65.
  
  Just very tired with being shit on as a middle class, white, male so my plans are to sell up and depart these shores. Keep a small bolthole here but that is it.
  
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  July 30, 2023 10:57am
slightlyrighty

I have been following politics for quite some time, and I would struggle to remember a week like the one we have just had.

Leaks from the Government Caucus regarding Kiri Allen.

The governments Tax Plan ending up in the hands of the Opposition Finance Spokesman.

A high profile minister defying the PM, and then quitting the portfolio in question.

The Justice Minister crashing her car, while under the influence, leaving the scene of the accident, then apparently (Using her own words to the PM) resisting arrest.

Well done to Nicola Willis for keeping her eyes on the prize.
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July 30, 2023 8:12am
- Tony Stuart
  
  And while this was going on Chris Luxon continued to draw big crowds to his public meetings, including over 500 in Johnsonville where he and Nicola Willis shared the stage. It was standing room only, with the crowd overflowing to the foyer, and it was a younger crowd than Labour stooges have been so dismissive of.
  
  People are listening to Luxon, and they’re liking what they hear. It may not yet be evident in the polls, but right across New Zealand, there is a mood for a change of government.
  
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  July 30, 2023 9:32am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    What the dead beat left do not understand, when meetings are during the day and through the week, younger voters are at work. There was pics on Facebook in CHCH last week at night, snd there was several young people there
    
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    July 30, 2023 12:33pm
  - mawm
    
    Tony – sure the people are turning out in their droves to listen but are they hearing what they want from Luxon? Are the polls showing that they are not?
    
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    July 30, 2023 4:22pm
Warren

Fuel Prices look set to rise again one month after fuel excise duty cut ended.
This will be not what Labour Prime Minister Chris Hipkins wanted or needed and will surely put more pressure on many people’s budgets.and ability to save, as fuel prices rising means transport costs to businesses higher prices at the pump and what it could mean for inflation.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/494733/fuel-prices-look-to-rise-again-one-montph-after-fuel-excise-duty-cut-ended
I would rather be in Chris Luxons camp 80 odd days out from a election than Prime Minister Chris Hipkins.
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July 30, 2023 8:24am
- Ruahine
  
  This silly doing away with GST on fruit and vegetables bribe that Labour is likely to do is useless compared to what doing away with GST on fuel would achieve for them.
  Doing away with GST on fuel yeah. Now that is a real BRIBE.
  
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  July 30, 2023 9:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not just GST. Half of all of the other Taxes as well.
    Let’s face it, none of the Taxes are going into fixing roads.
    
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    July 30, 2023 10:27am
Mark Hanley

I don’t have an issue with clean energy if it is pursued with the goal of helping mankind in a manner which will produce environmental and economic returns.

Musk’s approach at tesla is a great example. I read he has received subsidies but tesla is now a profitable company coming up with many ground breaking technical solutions. The gigapress has revolutionalized car production.

On the flip side of the coin HIPKINS is pumping billions of tax dollars into CO2 reducing schemes which provide very little or no return.

If Labour are not lowering emissions with the billions they are taking off us then we need to ask why the policy exists and who is benefitting from our hard earned.

We must insist on a forensic audit of all Labour Party spending for the last 6 years and transparency on where the money ended up.

I suggest starting with Adern and Pfizer.
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July 30, 2023 8:30am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Mark Hanley – we’re fully off grid, no reticulated water or power. We use bottled gas for cooking and occasionally hot water. We have solar hot water which provides 80 – 90% of our hot water requirements.
  My point is, we like the concept of alternative energy and reduction of pollution. Conservation of water etc etc. These things come with the territory.
  
  My problem with the ‘green movement’ adopted and worshipped by zealots like the ‘stop oil’ lunatics, is that it is closer to religion than science. It is fanatical ideology.
  
  I am convinced that, even if they were meritorious, it is completely impossible to achieve the goals these disciples advocate. There simply are not enough resources on the planet to produce the energy required to maintain our current life styles.
  The people at the top of this movement cannot all be idiots. They surely understand this. The only conclusion left is, they are happily going about the job of destroying the lives of billions of people, killing millions in the process. All to create a perceived utopia.
  Of course, they will not change their own life style one iota.
  
  It is the ‘great reset’ and ‘build back better’ in process. We are in a war and it is going to get very messy indeed. People need to be prepared for that eventuality.
  
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  July 30, 2023 9:43am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    Hi Clan, pollution reduction and sustainable clean energy are unquestionably necessary goals. but these goals must be achieved in an economically sensible manner.
    
    You are living proof the above is achievable.
    
    The issue lies with the thieves who hijack the goals to steal our money.
    
    It isn’t hard to see who the thieves are (many Americans question how Obama earned his immense post presidency wealth), I just can’t understand why there isn’t more effort put into catching the thieves.
    
    NZ taxpayers suffered 2 Labour Government’s which resulted in mysterious riches for the party hierarchy. Enough Labour Minister corruption, awarding lucrative government contracts to their families, has been exposed to warrant a forensic investigation of government spending. Unless the incoming government investigates, exposes and where possible prosecutes corrupt PMs and ministers, the behaviour will repeat.
    
    I opined on multiple occasions that we need a strict government and public sector conflicts of interest policy, with regular reviews, and real consequences. Thomas Cranmer agrees with me.
    
    Tellingly though, when I asked Rodney Hide why corrupt politicians aren’t investigated in NZ (I was referring to the covid jab fraud, the most deadly fraud in NZ’s history), the usually responsive Mr Hide remained deathly silent.
    
    Post election I will be attending Luxon’s, Seymour’s, and Reti’s public meetings to ask them to instigate: a public inquiry into the covid response, a forensic investigation of all Labour Minister’s spending, referenda to cement good laws which can’t be overturned by future self-enriching Labour Party hierarchy’s.
    
    If enough of us raise the issues, we will get change.
    
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    July 30, 2023 10:21am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Well said MH
      
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      July 30, 2023 10:42am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    The West: Now committing suicide with unaffordable and delusional energy policy. China: Rapidly rolling out wall to wall cheap energy via coal, gas and nuclear.
    
    The West: Crippling itself with expensive junk energy production and outsourcing production to China as at-home energy costs make it impossible to compete.
    
    China not budging until around 2060 (IE far off never never land).
    
    Wake up people.
    
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    July 30, 2023 4:35pm
    - Mark Hanley
      
      You are correct but…
      
      China is currently experiencing an exodos of western companies (apple has left behind ghost towns),
      
      Chinese youth unemployment is at crisis point, and many Chinese are leaving the country.
      
      That is the price you pay for ignoring the Western rules based international trading system.
      
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      July 30, 2023 5:08pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    I assume that your clean green off-grid life is not done on a quarter acre section ….
    
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    July 30, 2023 8:52pm
NK

The Australian led its edition yesterday with the “revelation” that Anthony Fauci deliberately downplayed suspicions from scientists that Covid-19 came from a lab to protect his reputation and deflect from risky research his agency had funded.

Of course, if you’d followed more than just the Herald or Stuffed or Jacindas podium of truth, you would have known more than two years ago that the CDC funded gain of function research at the Wuhan Lab and that the corona virus was man-made by the US Government in conjunction with the Chinese Government. And, the vaccine for a novel corona virus was being prepared six years ago, yes, three years prior to the Wuhan leak.

Ate there still those who think the Covid shemozzle was a mysterious pandemic where locking us down and injecting us with an untested vaccine was unplanned and “unlucky”? Surely not. Well maybe except for “river of filth” politicians who prayed on fear and propagated lies in order to keep control, including from National and Act (yes they’re as much to blame).

I’m still dealing with the economic fallout with my clients, as this country will also do for many more years, even decades.

The shrugging of shoulders by our “leaders” won’t be enough for me. I’m not voting for any of them this year.
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July 30, 2023 8:32am
- Flossie
  
  If we don’t vote for any of them we will obviously just get more of the same.
  
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  July 30, 2023 8:37am
- Chuck Bird
  
  So, would rather have a Labour, Greens and Maori Party than National and Act?
  
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  July 30, 2023 8:37am
  - NK
    
    How does not voting deliver that?
    
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    July 30, 2023 8:44am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      I did not down tick you. Someone else did.
      
      Do you honestly not know the answer to your question.
      
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      July 30, 2023 8:52am
      - NK
        
        Chuck, I’m reasonably confident this year’s election won’t swing on my one party vote when I abstain.
        
        I’m not the sort of person to vote against a possible government. I have thought about this long and hard, and I cannot in good conscience vote for parties that a) advocated for children under 5 to be jabbed as soon as possible, and b) stood up in Parliament and gave a speech praising the behaviour of the police at the protest.
        
        I. Just. Cannot. Do. It.
        
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        July 30, 2023 9:36am
      - mawm
        
        NK – I suspect there are many who feel the same.
        
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        July 30, 2023 4:29pm
    - Matt Long
      
      I think the answer is rather obvious, not voting at all is half a vote for the New Communist, Envy, and Racist Parties.
      
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      July 30, 2023 8:52am
      - mawm
        
        Matt – then it is also obvious that the other half, instead of the whole, goes to the other parties who did not stand up to the above, did nothing to support individual freedoms and bodily autonomy and now, with overwhelming evidence of the failure of the adopted non-pharmaceutical measures and that the vaccines are neither safe nor effective, are not man enough to apologise for their support for Ardern and offer help to those most affected.
        
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        July 30, 2023 4:37pm
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      I’m working g on the basis that if I hold my nose and vote for the best of a bad bunch then at least we have a chance of moving in the right direction.
      
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      July 30, 2023 8:55am
  - Drone
    
    It would be a wild ride to oblivion Chuck Bird, make sure you use the seatbelt.
    
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    July 30, 2023 8:49am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Chuck – that statement – ‘if you don’t vote for us it’s your fault if Labour get back in’ – while probably true, avoids the elephant in the room.
    
    Why are National/Act continuing to support the covid narrative and refusing point blank to acknowledge any of the draconian policies were wrong?
    It was, (and for many, continues to be) a nightmare which destroyed lives, businesses and relationships. Why is asking for this to be acknowledged apparently impossible?
    
    I want rid of this nightmare government with a passion. One of the key reasons though, is what they did to me, my family and many friends with their horrific covid policies to force compliance in a medical experiment.
    No, it’s not a single issue election, but this issue is one of the biggest in the history of the country and it deserves to be at the very least, a part of any discussion in an election campaign.
    
    To simply wish it away and pretend it didn’t happen is as cowardly as it is disrespectful to those who’s lives were destroyed.
    
    Acknowledge it. Do it with honesty and integrity. Promise never to let it happen again.
    
    National/Act will get a massive boost in the polls.
    
    It’s just the right thing to do.
    
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    July 30, 2023 9:29am
    - Che Guava
      
      Not voting is just as much of a statement as voting is.
      
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      July 30, 2023 10:14am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        You think the Mongel Mob and all the losers who don’t vote are making a statement? Yet only statement they’re making is that they are too bone idle or too ignorant to get up & vote.
        
        That’s who principled non-voters are aligned with.
        
        Personally, if I felt the way you do, I’d be eyeballing the McGillicuddy Serious Party.
        
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        July 30, 2023 2:25pm
      - Che Guava
        
        That’s ridiculous. Why are people losers simply for not voting, whatever reason they may have? Plenty of losers vote, so it follows that not voting doesn’t make a person a loser. You wouldn’t buy something you don’t want, so why would you vote for someone you don’t want?
        
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        July 30, 2023 3:51pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Nats have stated if they become government their will no longer be an excuse with covid, Luxon also stated this week that mandates staff is utterly ridiculous, and he did not know why the Marxists still have mandates
      
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      July 30, 2023 12:41pm
      - mawm
        
        That does not even approach the core problem. Luxon is showing us that a) either he doesn’t care about the harm, b) that he is a WEF/One World Government toady or c) he’s gutless.
        
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        July 30, 2023 4:45pm
- Grunter
  
  I agree with your comment NK – except I will still vote ACT despite Seymour continuing to not come up with a sensible position on COVID. (Best dirty shirt….)
  
  These clowns will only regain some public trust when they do a full deep dive into all things COVID. And that’s never going to happen.
  
  When they launch their next pandemic the siht will hit the fan as the “river of filth” will be 10 times bigger and no one will take a jab, scan a QR code, wear a mask nor lockdown. That’s when the real voting takes place.
  
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  July 30, 2023 8:49am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I do not agree with Seymour’s actions over mandates but I am not as passionate as some as NK and others. However, I do not agree with his stance on late-term abortions and expanding the reasons for euthanasia. However, I agree with his sensible position on climate change.
    
    I would just say to NK that if enough people did not vote who lean to the right then Labour, Greens and MP could get in.
    
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    July 30, 2023 2:47pm
    - Flossie
      
      It would be very hard to find a party that you are onboard with ALL of their ideas. A vast majority of ideas I agree with will be okay by me.
      
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      July 30, 2023 3:02pm
- kowtow
  
  Why’s it taken the msm so long to do their job.
  It was they who led the panic and hype ( as with climate) and that’s why we’re in so much trouble.
  
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  July 30, 2023 8:55am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The media were doing what they are paid to do. They didn’t lead it, they were the messengers following orders and collecting 30 pieces of silver for doing so.
    
    The panic was led by the overpaid politicians sitting in parliament. ALL politicians. As we now know, apart from some feeble vote buying noises from Peters, every single one of them supported the nasty, thuggish, bullying policies implemented to compel compliance in a medical experiment.
    
    The silence from these people is as nauseating as it is depressing. I hold every one of them in contempt.
    
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    July 30, 2023 9:49am
- Gravelroad
  
  I’ll be voting.
  But for whoever “wins” there needs to be a much more robust, grown-up public ready to hold them to account – no more excuses.
  We cannot have more years of passive sitting round with teddies in the windows and being led by the nose by politicians such as Ms Ardern and her giggling rabble.
  Wake up people, we were played by the Labour Party – enabled by an unprofessional, compromised media in love with illusion not reality.
  
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  July 30, 2023 9:53am
Matt Long

There may be a little collateral damage from the EV revolution
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132644522/critical-injuries-after-scooter-battery-explodes-in-central-wellington
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July 30, 2023 8:35am
- imalwaysright
  
  It is by sheer luck that we aren’t seeing another fire and multiple deaths this morning .
  Unfortunately , it is inevitable .
  
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  July 30, 2023 8:47am
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘New York City has seen over 100 fires and 13 deaths this year linked to e-bikes, more than double the total number of fatalities from last year, officials said….
  The batteries can overheat if defective or improperly charged.’
  https://apnews.com/article/ebikes-batteries-fires-new-york-b8ef142a1afc280cf0d9fe3054efb4b3
  
  Cheap Chinese batteries being overcharged, they get hot and combust.
  
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  July 30, 2023 9:07am
  - CJames
    
    Its not only Chinese batteries that self-combust. If people get good batteries and rapid charge them too often, the same will happen. The same thing happens when people use a charger that doesn’t have the software for that particular battery it’s charging. Overheating the batteries while charging is a no-no. And then there were the Samsung phone batteries that were just too flimsy.
    
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    July 30, 2023 9:27am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I have a MavicPro drone. Two spare batteries. Each of those batteries have a charging record, also the flight paths with the date. When there is a software/firmware update, each battery has to go through the same process.
      So what I am saying is the charger does not have the software – each battery carries it.
      
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      July 30, 2023 11:14am
  - Nickc2
    
    I’ve noticed a block of intensive housing apartments being built not far from me and now, below and behold, each apartment is being fitted with a Solar Energy Storage Battery. The potential to light up the neighbourhood in a chain reaction when even one of them catches fire cannot be over-stressed. There are seventeen of these damned apartments.
    I’ve written to the Council about the potential for massive fires, but no comment from the Council to date.
    
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    July 30, 2023 9:28am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Don’t underestimated the tolerance for death in the pursuits of the climate cult.
      ( maybe tolerance should read expectation )
      
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      July 30, 2023 9:38am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Oh yes, people dying is a feature for sure.
        Less emissions that way.
        (I thought about using // but its probably true!)
        
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        July 30, 2023 10:06am
      - sirknz
        
        Us plebs are the carbon the zealots seek to reduce.
        
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        July 30, 2023 10:31am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Nickc2 – as with politicians, when they can’t supply a logical answer, they refuse to answer. Zero accountability if they don’t acknowledge your concerns.
      
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      July 30, 2023 9:52am
  - cmm
    
    It’s not Chinese batteries per se. Basic chemistry doesn’t discriminate.
    Sure, dodgy assembly and dodgy electronics make fires etc a bit more likely but lithium batteries have some fundamental issues.
    
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    July 30, 2023 4:04pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Isn’t it lucky for us that there aren’t enough raw materials to supply everyone with an electric vehicle……..imagine the carnage!
  
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  July 30, 2023 9:50am
Bridgenag

Is there no end in sight to the slaughter of the Antipodeans?
The “vax” hypothesis.

https://open.substack.com/pub/metatron/p/is-there-no-end-in-sight-to-the-slaughter?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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July 30, 2023 8:42am
- mawm
  
  Could somebody please share that graph with “there are no excess deaths” Seymour.
  
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  July 30, 2023 4:51pm
Bridgenag

The true and the false vision: Towards a general theory of political stupidity

https://open.substack.com/pub/eugyppius/p/the-true-and-the-false-vision-towards?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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July 30, 2023 8:42am
Chuck Bird

Well worth 5 minutes viewing.

The purpose of education | Dr Melissa Derby | The Common Room

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueDz33E1dbc
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July 30, 2023 8:44am
k1w1

Damian Grant’s article in Stuff today is bang on.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/132633483/damien-grant-the-pathway-to-freedom-from-a-narrowminded-petty-economic-backwater
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July 30, 2023 8:49am
Matt Long

A prominent former National Cabinet Minister who graces Kiwiblog with comments failed to inform us about what actual steps his sensible peers, who are taking taxpayer money to buy their new cars, are taking to combat climate change.
I have some suggestions;
No more vacations, unnecessary road trips, and especially air travel are very carbon intensive, let’s cut those out.
Downsizing, a twenty m² apartment is plenty for empty nesters, apartment living and using only public transport is great for the environment.
Get rid of pets, pets are unnecessary and colossal carbon emitters, and don’t fit with apartments.
Remote meetings, stay at home, avoid the traffic, the taxpayer funded lunches and save the planet.
I’m sure there’s many more things others could add to the list.
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July 30, 2023 8:49am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Eat bugs…
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/food/2021/may/08/if-we-want-to-save-the-planet-the-future-of-food-is-insects
  
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  July 30, 2023 9:00am
  - Matt Long
    
    Yes there’s normally plenty of cockroaches and other great sources of protein in inner city apartments, edible algae could be grown in buckets of wastewater too.
    
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    July 30, 2023 9:05am
- Burtland
  
  anyone who’s not vegan is a denier
  
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  July 30, 2023 9:39am
- Grunter
  
  And none of those authoritarian dictates will change NZ’s CO2 emissions at all. The ETS is a cap and trade system. End of story.
  
  (The only thing your nutty list does is change the mix of emitters).
  
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  July 30, 2023 9:41am
  - Matt Long
    
    For context.
    Wayne Mapp says
    “You obviously have not been following the increase in the level of EV registrations over the last year.
    Do you think that is going to stop?
    More relevantly all the people that I know who are planning to buy EV vehicles (lots of them) have no patience with those who are climate change deniers. They are just seen as a marginal minority.”
    
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    July 30, 2023 10:12am
    - Matt Long
      
      And the question Wayne omitted to answer;
      So apart from taking taxpayer subsidies to buy themselves new cars Wayne, what else do your alarmist friends intend to do for climate change, advocate for more taxes on the productive sector?
      
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      July 30, 2023 10:15am
      - Che Guava
        
        If advocates of AGW aren’t prepared to lead by example and voluntarily slash their consumption (and therefore their emissions), then they should shut up immediately and stop demanding that others do what they won’t. If they won’t do it, then the problem clearly isn’t as dire as they make it out to be.
        
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        July 30, 2023 10:27am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      The inference is that someone who does not purchase an EV is a “climate change denier”. Most people buy a vehicle that best meets their needs given their budget. That is the beginning and end of the purchase decision.
      
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      July 30, 2023 12:27pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Not entirely, Benedict. I don’t ‘need’ a Ferrari, but …
        
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        July 30, 2023 2:30pm
- Burtland
  
  according to the latest Climate Change Commission edict
  anyone planting pine trees is a denier
  
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  July 30, 2023 9:48am
  - Che Guava
    
    Calling someone an “x-denier” has the built-in assumption that “x” is in fact the case, which is the very point being disputed. But language choice is crucial, which is why the negative connotations that accompany “anti-” and “-denier” are preferred by people with a self-serving narrative to protect.
    
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    July 30, 2023 10:31am
- Ghost
  
  This whole post just looks like a personal attack against Wayne. He hasn’t been an mp for 13 years. Why would he want to reply when you’re trying to stir shit than have an honest conversation
  
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  July 30, 2023 10:25am
  - Matt Long
    
    It’s an honest question, his mates can’t be bothered with deniers, so what are they doing about climate change?
    Advocating for regulations and costs and pushing poverty on other people. I’m sick of the hypocrisy.
    If you’re Cheers Leaders for doing something about climate change, whether a former minister of the crown or an ignorant millenial, do something personally or shut up with the sanctimony.
    I’m not a climate denier, I was agnostic with leanings toward caution but the hypocrites who take private planes to luxury venues to save the world are now making me a sceptic.
    
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    July 30, 2023 10:57am
  - Matt Long
    
    I appreciate Wayne taking the time to post on Kiwiblog, and learn a lot from him, but if anyone’s going to post in support of something and be taken as credible they should have a laundry list of answers as to their own personal actions.
    Otherwise they look like the school girl speaking against jet travel weeks after her return from the islands.
    The emergency is all hypothetical when it comes to personal action or sacrifice but all important where it sacrifices the interests of other people.
    
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    July 30, 2023 11:15am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Exactly
      
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      July 30, 2023 2:35pm
- Burtland
  
  not vegan – denier
  hybrid car driver – denier
  gas heating – denier
  pine tree planter – denier
  plastics user – denier
  plane flyer – denier
  ruminant meat eater – denier
  steel user – denier
  ICE car driver – denier
  concrete layer – denier
  3+ kids – denier
  seaside bach – denier
  
  life as we know it – denier
  
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  July 30, 2023 11:01am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I have to say Matt that among the chattering classes of Wellington that constitute the primordial swamp through which I must daily swim, an alarmingly high number are discussing recent or upcoming overseas trips without a single reference to their carbon footprint. It’s almost as if they don’t care, though in other respects they pay homage to the shibboleths of the day.
  
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  July 30, 2023 2:34pm
  - Matt Long
    
    Yes, so full of it the Wellington sewage system cannot begin to cope.
    
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    July 30, 2023 2:55pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  When it comes to Wayne Mapp, there’s plenty more where that came from, Mapping The National Party, starting with the EV stuff:
  Get used to the change in technology. ICE cars won’t be manufactured for too many more years…In the meantime it is rather tiresome to keeping reading of the dinosaurs revolt.
  
  On Lockdowns in August 2020:
  So far as I am concerned, Plan A (eradication) is best for NZ. Supported by both National and Labour. The reason being is that we have an excellent chance of pulling off Plan A.
  
  On Maori seats:
  The policy of abolishing the Maori seats was never a core policy. There were other things that were way more important. So those who supported it, or in fact had come up with it, never even tried to push the policy within caucus to actually implement it.
  
  Similarly in 2020 on BLM, this fantastic bit of ignorance:
  I am rather surprised that you miss the point of the \”Black Lives Matter\” slogan. As I am sure you must know, it is based on the fact that way too many unarmed black people in the US have been killed by the police.
  
  And I’ve always loved this little throwaway comment on one of the greats in the economic world:
  I have read most of what Sowell has written over the years and have been rather unimpressed. He has very little recognition of community wide effects of decades of discrimination, and its effects on the psyche
  
  On Kamala Harris:
  As for Kamala Harris, as you say, she was always the logical choice. In fact through the debates she was my choice to be the candidate. She simply looks presidential.
  
  She will strengthen the ticket. She is probably the most moderate of all the VP options, and comes across as savvy and strong.
  
  And the reason I put National in that title is that Mapp’s ideas, “judgement” and over-all condescending tone could not have survived as an MP and then Cabinet Minister unless he was swimming in friendly seas.
  
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  July 30, 2023 3:02pm
  - Swifty
    
    Tom’s got you there Wayne.
    
    The BLM and Sowell quotes are particularly awkward.
    
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    July 30, 2023 6:07pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Truth be told, when I joined No Minister in 2019 and found that we had a former National Cabinet Minister commenting I was pretty bloody impressed. True democracy in such a person being willing to interact back and forth with the plebs, even if he had been out of politics since 2011.
      
      But over time I grew fucking horrified. This was what I had been voting for all those elections since 2002? This mentality? This attitude? If it had been in just one area I could have shrugged my shoulders and accepted a difference of opinion or policy, but it’s philosophical and across-the-board.
      
      And this is an overall attitude that I found incomprehensible even in the old, so-called “Liberal” wing of National. Seriously, aside from taxes and spending, if you dumped him into today’s Labour cabinet, how different would he look to this lot?
      
      Hell, even on matters of tax and spending he is – judging from his comments about cutting civil servant numbers and not being too “disruptive” – “wetter than a haddock’s bathing costume.’, as the saying goes.
      
      But even that’s not the worst. There are always mavericks in every Party. The thing that worries me is that he not only survived but thrived in the National Party, retiring on his own terms in 2011. Which means there are others like him on issue after issue.
      
      Oh, and just for a laugh, and to get back to the subject of EV’s in NZ, he claims that it was his exposure to Thatcher in Britain in the 1980’s that caused to leave Labour and eventually join National.
      
      Yes, I’m sure Maggie would have fully supported subsidies for EV’s, FFS.
      
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      July 30, 2023 6:59pm
    - Swifty
      
      I wonder if Wayne knows that there are more police killed by armed black men annually in the US than there are unarmed black men killed by police?
      
      Many more.
      
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      July 30, 2023 8:03pm
Chris Nisbet

Children. Those pesky blighters result in masses of CO2 emissions.
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July 30, 2023 9:00am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Bah. Meant as a reply to Matt’s post.
  
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  July 30, 2023 9:02am
imalwaysright

Watching Tame Jack on tv1 interview megan woods.
About 40% of jacks background is labour party logos and pictures of woods and adern.
I’m waiting for him to get the labour logo tatooed on his forehead.
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July 30, 2023 9:22am
- kowtow
  
  He’s so into self pleasuring himself with Labour rubbish you probably don’t want to see where the tatoo is.
  
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  July 30, 2023 9:41am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Needs “check engine” on his forehead.
  
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  July 30, 2023 11:23am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

If I pretend you mask works, will you pretend I’m wearing one?
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July 30, 2023 9:24am
- imalwaysright
  
  Ill pretend I didn’t read that!
  
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  July 30, 2023 9:42am
- Grunter
  
  Very good! I’ll use that one…..
  
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  July 30, 2023 9:43am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Next trip to Labtest will be a test!
    
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    July 30, 2023 12:10pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      Patients and staff don’t have to wear them.
      
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      July 30, 2023 1:14pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        If there is one ratbag leftie wearing it, the rest wear one to keep the peace.
        
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        July 31, 2023 8:31am
Yvette

Leaking outside the tent

One commenter yesterday said –
Well, yeah, according to Nicola Willis, who may, or may not, be being played

But I do wonder who is playing whom?
And what else can Nicola Willis do?

Next perhaps she could state she knows what Labour plans to do with the exceptionalism of Maori
and co-governance, when that is dragged from the cupboard or out from under the carpet, or wherever it has been hidden from sight until they win the Election, this next one or any other.
It may even draw disgruntled and disappointed David Parker, who claimed there would be no Maori
co-governance in the new RMA, but bugger! – there is! – to leak that he is dropping that portfolio too – so that his leak joins the other Labour leak even if that leaker is an imaginary friend of Nicola’s

Nicola, Let’s Do This!
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July 30, 2023 9:30am
- Ghost
  
  So you are asking for Nicola to stand before the country make shit up and lie.
  
  Pass. She’d look like an idiot and lose votes for lying.
  
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  July 30, 2023 9:36am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Remember the last 3 years of covid (ongoing)? That’s what politicians do, make shit up and lie.
    
    Safe and effective and get your booster!
    
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    July 30, 2023 10:01am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      And do we or do we not want them to stop?
      
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      July 30, 2023 10:40am
  - Ruahine
    
    It certainly worked for Ardern. How ever she did have Jessica and Tova to help her.
    
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    July 30, 2023 10:05am
  - Yvette
    
    Ghost, that is not happening already? :o)
    
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    July 30, 2023 12:22pm
In Vino Veritas

Leading (according to Newshub) British environmentalist Sir Jonathon Porritt has urged Christophers Hipkins and Luxon to come up with something that reflects Kiwis’ concerns regarding climate change. He says our politicians are failing us and that voters should expect more from parties on climate.
Thanks Jon, but how about you stick to your country, and don’t try and tell me and others what our concerns are and what we should expect, you preaching twat.
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July 30, 2023 9:40am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  He is a rellie of Sir Arthur Porrit the ex GG.
  
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  July 30, 2023 10:06am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Yes, was born or grew up here in his formative years, so he has more links here than the likes of Greta.
    
    Not that I disagree with you sentiment, IVV.
    
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    July 30, 2023 2:39pm
Tony Stuart

Did you know that New Zealand’s nett debt in 2019 was $5.4 billion? Did you know that this year, it’s $73.3 bn and by 2026 it will be $95.3 bn?

Did you know that the cost on interest in 2023 is $1606 per annum for every New Zealander, man, woman, child, and newborn infant? That’s without paying back a single dollar of debt.

Did you know that interest costs will this year be the fourth highest item of expenditure on the Crown balance sheet, behind Welfare, Health and Education? And that the cost of interest payments will be more than the expenditure on the Police, Courts and Corrections put together?

We are drowning in debt because the current government believes that problems are solved by throwing vast amounts of money at them. Grant Robertson won’t tell you about the debt numbers, because if would destroy the myth he has created that our economy is robust and doing well. But when the books are opened in September, we’re going to find out the truth. My six-month-old granddaughter’s children, and possibly even their children, are going to be carrying the cost of this government for their lifetimes.
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July 30, 2023 9:41am
- Grunter
  
  There is an even bigger longer term debt problem – our unrealised liabilities (age care, public health, national super payment) will balloon out to over $1.2 trillion by 2061 (Treasury forecast). We either reduce spend and increase taxes (current plan of all political parties to varying degrees), or we switch to a savings based economic model as proposed by Sir Roger Douglas more than 40 yrs ago.
  
  Under the Robertson plan we go broke well before 2061.
  
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  July 30, 2023 9:51am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Yep. By 2040, for every five people entering the workforce, there will be ten people retiring.
    
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    July 30, 2023 11:24am
    - Ra Henare
      
      Ho Hum. Predictions predictions.
      My grannie was better at predicting the weather than thesse predictions pumped out by treasury.
      
      I remember very well attending a presentation by Gummint in 1980 saying that at current settings(age & rates) that Superannuation would be unaffordable by 2010!
      
      So dont get your knickers in a twist about anything predicted more than 12 months out.
      
      Just check Treasury/Reserve Bank predictions for inflation! Woefully out of touch when looking more than 12 months out.
      https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/
      
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      July 30, 2023 3:19pm
- Prince
  
  And did you know that Govt debt is growing by $74M a day ?
  And when National/Act start to peel back Govt Spending the noise from the vested interest groups, including the media, will be deafening.
  
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  July 30, 2023 9:57am
  - cmm
    
    It’s not really government debt, so they don’t care.
    It’s debt of the next two generations. Those more likely to be productive taxpayers are also more likely to be leaving for more welcoming shores.
    
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    July 30, 2023 11:35am
- Matt Long
  
  Government debt you mean.
  
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  July 30, 2023 10:07am
- Surely Knott
  
  Stuff’s daily racist offering includes slandering the police without any evidence.
  
  “Data shows ongoing racial bias in police warrantless searches”
  
  It does not show racial bias.. There is no evidence the police are biased in the article. What it shows is significant racial differences in the number of warrantless searches. If more Maori are arrested it doesn’t mean the police are biased there may be other reasons. The police say one reason is more Maori belong to gangs.
  
  The progressives think they are moving society forward with their anti white rhetoric, but actually they are just highlighting the racial differences in crime and encouraging stereotyping.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300938784/data-shows-ongoing-racial-bias-in-police-warrantless-searches
  
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  July 30, 2023 10:10am
- Burtland
  
  Throwing money at problems is Labours only “success” …
  
  Without COVID they wouldnt have been able to do this – the Greens got laughed out of parliament when they previously suggested this.
  
  Unfortunately the Public Service have been unable to achieve anything useful despite having billions sprayed everywhere. And as the source of the hose dries up, the mess and the pile of debt is apparent – it is a case of build-back-worse.
  
  so is it the failure of Labour or the failure of the Public Service ?
  
  Any new government will need to get back to basics
  – the WEFs build-back-better is an abject failure.
  
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  July 30, 2023 10:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  My great Grandson (3 months) will be paying, and his children too.
  
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  July 30, 2023 11:29am
- lemuzz
  
  I think Treasury must have told Robberson to cut spending as he had an open cheque book for 5 long years then all a sudden all spending was stopped and he even had to raid the covid fund that hadn’t been spent.
  
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  July 30, 2023 2:27pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Remember when Winston sought and was granted $3b for his provincial growth fund. $3b!
  
  Amateur.
  
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  July 30, 2023 2:42pm
Ruahine

Many of the readers have seen this I am sure, but it is worth being reminded. I hope Luxon and Willis are telling the people who attend their about this preferably with charts because as sure as hell it is not in the Media and we know why.

https://www.debtclock.nz/
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July 30, 2023 9:49am
Maggie Pie

Had to larf to myself.
Heading into early Mass this morning and listening to Pete the ‘Resident Builder’ on ZB.
Guy phoned up to ask if he knew where he might be able to get any original Marseille roof-tiles for a century old house.
Pete asked him if he was in Auckland?
Caller said, “No. I’m in Remuera”

LOL!!
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July 30, 2023 10:02am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Loads on Trade Me
  
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  July 30, 2023 3:00pm
Scooter

Is Chris going to pull out early, a premature election, or will he go hard and early like Cindy. Care to add your own double entendres.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018900347/minister-s-downfall-triggers-premature-election-speculation
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July 30, 2023 10:03am
- Gravelroad
  
  Why would Hipkins go for an early election when there is still bribe time available?
  
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  July 30, 2023 11:03am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    76 days to go today until October 14th, and just 64 days to go before advance voting begins. Hipkins isn’t going to bring that forward unless a few more of his caucus walk, and he loses his majority.
    
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    July 30, 2023 11:32am
- Bill Felt
  
  There are a lot of stories gong around about the circumstances of Kiri’s downfall. I am not sure what to believe, but, there is no doubt whatsoever that if this was a National male MP the stories would be plastered all over the media.
  
  As the circumstances involve a senior Minister, a Minister of Justice no less, a Ministerial car and suggestions of “inappropriate behaviour” I would expect that the full details should be made public. ha!
  
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  July 30, 2023 11:31am
  - DimChappie
    
    Cam Slater commented on the Kiri incident on Reality Check Radio. Here is a transcript:
    
    Cam: Kiri has shown a total lack of individual responsibility. When confronted she has run for the hills from her mistakes. It should never have gone that far.
    Paul: Ironically she crashed outside a Justice official’s house.
    Cam: I think there is more to come on that. (She was heading to the house?) Yeah I think we are going to find out that there is some connection there.
    Because there are some rather cute things that have happened. There is the photograph of the car taken from the house. You’ve got the video that was then published (car owner inspects damage). There’s a connection there somewhere.
    If you look at the angle the car (white car) ius on and listen to the explanation, it is almost impossible to see how the (white) car ended up where it did. So I think we’re going to find out a bit more information about that.
    But here’s the thing. I guess there’s a certain high profile radio presenter who won’t be offering to drive Kiritapu Allan any time soon. And we can’t say the name because name suppression but (Paul: I know who, it’s easy to work that one out by the way)
    
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    July 30, 2023 12:17pm
ClanMcleod

Ready for the big conspiracy theory of the day? The goals of the WEF are to create feudalism 2.0 and a technocratic elite, which of course will be them.
Here’s mainstream media summing the situation very succinctly in a very short video.

https://twitter.com/wideawake_media/status/1685251783961022464?s=20

It’s been mentioned before, ‘the great reset’ and ‘build back better’, brought to you by the WEF, UN and WHO. All unelected, dubiously funded organisations who want to take control of all of us and to hell with democratic representation.

More tin foil needed…..
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July 30, 2023 10:06am
Benedict Yu

Went for a blood test on Friday. Signs everywhere saying wear masks. Half people wearing masks. Staff don’t say anything.

Only a couple of months back I saw a guy asked to leave at the same place.

Looks like it is over.
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July 30, 2023 10:12am
- Inandout
  
  BY, our blood test place at the local hospital is ‘masky’ and so are the nurses. I half expected a maskless gang member to waltz in and ignore the signs but then I realised they wouldn’t necessarily want their blood tested.
  
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  July 30, 2023 10:27am
- kevn
  
  BY… Except for constant c19 get jabbed promotion. While the rest of the world retreats from that notion.
  
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  July 30, 2023 11:58am
Scooter

Oh dear temps have dropped to early 30’s here in the med, with the 2 week heatwave relenting. As they do every year when it gets towards Aug. That’s the thing about Europe seasons they are give or take spot on when to expect warming in spring/summer then cooling etc. It’s called seasons.
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July 30, 2023 10:29am
Maggie Pie

Treaty Negotiatons Minister Andrew Little hands over millions more dollars to central North Island iwi, saying…..

“The Crown did not live up to the promises of Te Treaty, instead waged war on your ancestors, confiscated your land and drove them into conflict with their own kin.
For the deaths you have suffered…..the Crown unreservedly apologises”

https://twitter.com/NewshubPolitics/status/1685184642855702528

As my partner just said – sounds like more last minute vote buying courtesy of the taxpayer 🙁
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July 30, 2023 10:31am
- Cinematic
  
  Andrew isn’t a spokesperson for the Crown. He’s a snivelling useless Labour MP. By all means apologise on behalf of the NZ government, after all we’ve been a democracy for a while now.
  
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  July 30, 2023 11:17am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    On the odd occassion that I watch ‘Question Time’, can’t help but think to myself how exciting it would be to invite Andrew Little and David Parker around for a party. LOL!!
    
    Honestly, the two of them were born without funny-bones…..
    and both obviously had a Personality-Bypass at birth.
    SHEESH!!
    
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    July 30, 2023 11:42am
rouppe

Up at Turoa this weekend.

Best start to the season in yonks. Not all lifts open but the staff are doing an awesome job, and the snow coverage and condition is great!

Shane Jacinda killed the business with 2 years of home detention for everyone
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July 30, 2023 10:45am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/new-plymouth-event-will-be-live-streamed-from-a-private-home-today-3pm/

This will be interesting if any trouble starts. I wonder if the Police know of the venue? If so, the protesters will turn up – someone in the Police are telling them imo.
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July 30, 2023 10:59am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Treaty explained. You will find out why we have a rogue Treaty.
  
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  July 30, 2023 11:01am
Tauhei Notts

News.
We will convert those nasty coal burning boilers, used for drying milk, to wood chip boilers. The conversion is free to the Company as the mug taxpayer will be funding it.
Then, instead of a truck load of coal each day, we will have ten truck loads of wood chips delivered to the factory each day.
Thankfully those diesel powered trucks do no damage to the roads through a peat area, and are great for the environment.///
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July 30, 2023 11:11am
- Matt Long
  
  It will be clean CO² from the boilers and the virtue will shine across the world. Our ESG customers will smile upon us and bestow us with ticks.
  It will only cost Fonterra shareholders $800 million at this stage, which is comparable to the Beingmate fiasco, and the drop in shareholder wealth when Fonterra decided to destabilise the share price last year.
  
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  July 30, 2023 11:26am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Where do the wood chips come from?
  
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  July 30, 2023 11:45am
Grunter

A good read from Trotter on the Posie Parker visit.

Go Free Speech! And it think he’s right, this will be a shambles as the woke looney left wet themselves over someone with an opposing view.

http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2023/07/the-demonstration-effect.html
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July 30, 2023 11:22am
Handyman

There is systemic sexism within the police and justice system. How else can you explain why 80% of people in prison are POP (people of penis)?
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July 30, 2023 12:25pm
- Colville
  
  Is it only 80% ?? I thought it would be more like 95%
  
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  July 30, 2023 2:22pm
Jack5

Karl du Fresne in his blog makes a vigorous response to the Leftist communications head honcho at Waikato University, Mohan Dutta.
The academic is in the Waikato department that educated Jacinda Ardern, and he seems to be active in international Leftist fields.

Here’s the du Fresne response to Dutta:

https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2023/07/my-response-to-professor-mohan-dutta.html

And here is Dutta’s blurb on the Waikato University web site.

https://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/expertise/profile.cfm?stref=285450

https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/

[It is Massey, not Waikato – it’s in the name. mod.]
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July 30, 2023 12:27pm
- Jack5
  
  Whoops! My mistake, Dutta has the “dean’s chair in communication” at Massey. My apologies to Waikato University. Ardern received her bachelor’s degree in communication studies at Waikato in 1999. So there are at least two NZ universities providing communications degrees.
  
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  July 30, 2023 2:32pm
- Swifty
  
  Good grief, Mohan Dutta’s language is impenetrable.
  
  And he’s an expert in communication?
  
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  July 30, 2023 2:33pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I liked this bit:
    
    ‘Center for Culture-Centered Approach to Research and Evaluation (CARE)’
    
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    July 30, 2023 3:04pm
Maggie Pie

TIKTOK TRENDING 😎

Here’s one way of actually holding politicians accountable….

Niger’s Finance-Minister given 48 hours to account for all the money his government misappropriated – or face execution

https://tiktok.com/@kingstyle_tv/video/7260993516799642886
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July 30, 2023 2:06pm
- cmm
  
  He will get the chop regardless of what he says.
  Once the blood is up, there’s no stopping it.
  
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  July 30, 2023 3:58pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

We are in New Plymouth.

Under pressure from Iwi, we had several venues cancel on us. All the usual – death threats, threats to burn down venues, and so on.

Fortunately, we were able to find a person in this city who believes in free speech, one law for all, one person one vote, equality and democracy. Someone with courage and fortitude.

She has opened her great venue to us, and we are expecting a great crowd!

So many people in Taranaki have shown interest. It’s been amazing.

Just click on the link below to register.
The live stream starts at 3pm, Sunday

https://www.facebook.com/events/d41d8cd9/stop-co-governance-taranaki-meeting-30th-july-2023-3pm/6586378601446975/
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July 30, 2023 2:17pm
3-coil

This time just last week (then) Labour minister Kiri “Tapu” Allan had just finished a few beers in the Tauranga Koro club and was flying back to Wellington, happily chatting to the passenger beside her, without a care in the world…what happened later between 3pm and 9pm that so completely unravelled her life??
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July 30, 2023 2:31pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Snakes hissed.
  
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  July 30, 2023 2:43pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Amazing coincidence nonetheless.
  Of all the cars you could possibly hit on the side of the road in Wello, people are saying this belonged to an official in the Justice Department. Hmmm…
  
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  July 30, 2023 3:24pm
  - Biscuit
    
    More coincidence, Maggie:
    
    If this woman had somehow missed the car you mention and had somehow got onto the Hutt Motorway and had somehow taken the Silversream turnoff and – without stopping off at any pubs en route, of course – she may very well have ram-raided my front door here in Upper Hutt.
    
    I feel so … afrightened.
    
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    July 30, 2023 4:16pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      OMG Bikkie! Imagine if she had taken the LOWER Hutt off-ramp and ran over milkey while he was standing at the bus stop.
      
      😀
      
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      July 30, 2023 5:35pm
      - greybeard
        
        Reading about Karl Marx at the bus stop.
        
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        July 30, 2023 6:32pm
WaynelSexton

Imagine believing Antarctica a place that averages negative 60 degrees Celsius is melting because of climate change.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/07/28/off-the-charts-antarctic-sea-ice-plummets-to-worrying-low/
Anyway for the low IQ, it’s underwater volcanos
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July 30, 2023 3:49pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Antarctica still net gaining ice.
  
  Doh!
  
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  July 30, 2023 4:53pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I see it’s by One News – a clear indication that you’re about to be misinformed/deceived/nudged.
  It was only a few years ago that Antarctic sea ice was at really high levels and “Climate Change!” did that too.
  
  “A recent modelling study has shown that increases in fresh meltwater flux from melting glaciers and ice caps on Antarctica under various IPCC standardised global warming scenarios offsets the decline in sea-ice area and to even further encourage the increases in sea-ice extent, especially in winter”
  
  It’s the same with ocean currents -“Climate Change!” both speeds ocean currents up and slows them down.
  
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  July 31, 2023 6:36am
Ghost

Weird

An investigation into a Reedley warehouse uncovered a large-scale illegal medical lab complete with bioengineered mice, infectious agents, nearly 30 refrigerators and freezers some of which were non-operational, incubators, and more leaving officials shocked and the public worried.

Local, state, and federal agencies are all involved and what prompted this investigation was a simple garden hose that was illegally attached and coming out of a wall in the back of the building.

It was inside an ordinary warehouse located on “I” and Ninth Streets in the City of Reedley that a disturbing and shocking discovery was made back in April.

Article
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July 30, 2023 5:32pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  The word I’d use would be scary. They euthanised several hundred of the mice.
  
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  July 30, 2023 5:40pm
Swifty

The Aussies are wrestling with similar issues to us – in this case giving say to indigenous folk over what farmers can and can’t legally do in their own land:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zOQsokpZI6Q

Identical to what Labour and David Parker want to inflict on New Zealand.

This won’t help indigenous people. It will enrich a few, the elites, but at the expense of the many through lack of opportunities, jobs and the ability to earn a living.
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July 30, 2023 5:54pm
Ghost

Imagine writing a book about sex, sexual positions, sexuality, etc etc and then saying you’d be happy for 8 year olds to read it…..

“The author is also happy for a ‘mature 8-year-old to view it’. The marketing blurb says it will make sex fun and will help readers ‘navigate their sexual debut with confidence’.

“The author is also happy for a ‘mature 8-year-old to view it’. The marketing blurb says it will make sex fun and will help readers ‘navigate their sexual debut with confidence’.

Article

A controversial new sex education book for teenagers that had to be pulled from shelves in Australia is making waves after hitting New Zealand libraries.

Library-goers and parents are divided on the book, Welcome to Sex: Your no-silly-questions guide to sexuality, pleasure and figuring it out, by former Dolly Doctor and youth health expert Dr Melissa Kang and TV personality Yumi Stynes.

The book traverses everything from consent and sexuality to sexual positions, pleasure and information on sex acts such as oral sex, “fingering” and “scissoring”.
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July 30, 2023 6:17pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  IMO that content is suitable for 15+
  
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  July 30, 2023 6:57pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

GD comment count way down today.

Must be nice weather around the country.
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July 30, 2023 6:27pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

7.40pm as I write, circa 200 comments on GD & not a mention of the rugby.

Foster out!
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July 30, 2023 7:41pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Geez, you set high standards.
  
  Wins, 3 out of 3 Championship games easily,
  Wins the championship
  Retains the Bledisloe Cup with ease (21 years and counting), and makes Jones look like the chump he is;
  The ABs back to No. 2 in the world rankings; and
  Brings on New ABs for World Cup…
  
  World Cup yet to come….
  
  Other than not being Robertson, is there anything else you might want Foster to do?
  
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  July 30, 2023 9:38pm
Swifty

Tamati Coffey flip flops:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/tamati-coffey-named-labours-candidate-for-east-coast-electorate-after-allan-resignation/74EGANWAHBCDFHUNTNEVDUOWPI/
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July 30, 2023 8:06pm
- Ghost
  
  Guess they can’t get any fresh candidates to stand, so much for retiring to be with the family
  
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  July 30, 2023 8:33pm
- hullkiwi
  
  That was going to be my post. You can’t trust Labour MPs not to flip flop or lie about their intentions.
  
  What is also repugnant about Coffey deciding to stand, is that in March he was retiring from politics so that he could devote more time to his family (someone else made similar statements at the end of January), but now there isn’t a second thought for his family, instead he is the person who can help rebuild the East Cape.
  
  All I can say, is what an inflated ego this man, Coffey has been a lack luster MP who lost his electorate seat in 2020, now East Cape voters are meant to believe he is committed to East Cape as a whole, and not his family either! Please pass the sick bucket!
  
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  July 30, 2023 9:23pm
Swifty

Ugly Maori violence at a Stop Co-Governance meeting:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j-Fe3DPAKXs
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July 30, 2023 9:07pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Don’t like the catch-all “Maori” here.
  
  It’s a bunch of fascist thugs who wouldn’t have a clue what civilised debate or discussion means.
  
  What’s worse is this piss poor govt not calling it out, and the piss poor media covering it up.
  
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