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The Redbaiter

Watched a great movie over the weekend. “We Came Here For Freedom” is a two part documentary on the anti-mandate protest at the beehive in Februrary 2022.

It’s a polished and professional film that tells the truth about the event and is a welcome counter to the state sponsored propaganda (Fire and Fury etc) of the far left political activists who pose as NZ’s mainstream media.

It draws attention to three important points.

1) The overwhelming public support the protesters received, especially during their convoy to Wellington

2) The disappointing response of the 120 politicians who stayed hiding in the beehive in a disgusting exhibition of group think and cowardice. What were ACT and National thinking when they went along with the Mallard/Ardern decree?

3) The overall peaceful and “kiwi” feel to the protest, something that has been deliberately hidden or denied by the MSM.

I sincerely recommend a watch. It might change your views about the protest, especially if your main source of information on it has been the MSM. Who like National and ACT lamely obeyed the Mallard/ Ardern instruction not to engage with the protesters..

All credit to its makers, Operation People. You can watch or download the movie here.
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July 24, 2023 8:01am
- krazykiwi
  
  “What were ACT and National thinking when they went along with the Mallard/Ardern decree”
  
  They weren’t thinking. They we hiding like pathetic cowards, swept along with The Narrative™
  
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  July 24, 2023 8:20am
  - cmm
    
    I think that if you zoom out a bit, you’ll find they’re all owned by the same interests.
    
    It’s professional wrestling. It pretty much fake. It does not really matter who’s in the ring it is all run by WWF.
    
    The only difference is, maybe, in the competence.
    
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    July 24, 2023 8:35am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  This will help Labour win the Election.//
  
  See, when you shit in the nest, it is your own fault.
  
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  July 24, 2023 8:26am
- JohnRidd
  
  Thank you for posting this.
  
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  July 24, 2023 8:14pm
- TeresaAnn
  
  It is now obvious that New Zealand was lied to about the effectiveness of the Pfizer “vaccine”. We were told that we had to take it to protect grannie. That was a lie. Pfizer admits that they never tested to see whether their “vaccine” could protect others against the virus.
  
  The country was divided, friend against friend, family member against family member, neighbour against neighbour, all for something that wasn’t effective and, in many cases, has proven to be not safe at all.
  
  We were also told a lie about the numbers who could die if there was no lockdown – 80,000 we were told. Another lie. The economy was effectively wrecked through the lockdown. Healthy young people were locked down for nothing when the stats showed recovery of 99.9%. We were locked down for one case. Parts of the South Island were locked down for no cases. The majority at risk were the elderly, the overweight and those with underlying conditions.
  
  No way should New Zealand have been locked down for something that effectively was no more than a cold for most. It would be interesting to see what the politicians received as a payout from Pfizer for promoting something so untested. It has also been revealed that Medsafe told the govt that Pfizer was likely only to give a couple of months’ protection at most. Effectively, through their mandates, the government took away people’s rights over their own bodies. I was very disappointed to see National and Act go along with this attack on people’s freedom to say no to medication.
  
  When asked if she knew the mandates were creating a two-tier society in the country, Ardern smiled and said, “Yep, yep”.
  
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  July 25, 2023 2:10pm
Warren

The Political joke of the past 6 years has to be Kelvin Davis and his insinuations that it is Nationals fault for the crime rate increase over New Zealand because of it’s incarnation policy they had in place when they were the Government of New Zealand before the change of Government in October 2017.
Like our Hospitals, Education, Mental Health and Economy that this Labour Government have bleated about being under funded and neglected for the last 6 years we now have them accusing the National Party of causing crime to hide their own incompetence and inability to fix a rampant increase in crime around New Zealand.
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July 24, 2023 8:01am
- kowtow
  
  Add the roads to that mix too.
  
  Dreadful state of repair but we ‘ll change names and signs.
  
  About sums it up.
  
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  July 24, 2023 10:15am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    The execrable Sharon Murdoch missed the right note by her usual 1,000 miles with her unintentionally hilarious cartoon on the weekend. Climbing into National, as is her wont, she juxtaposed two scenarios – the Climate Crisis and how New Zealand’s infinitesimal contribution to global CO2 emissions, and the parlous state of the country’s roads, especially those full of potholes, which is most of them.
    
    She called for a “sense of perspective” FFS, as if fixing the potholes will make the Climate Crisis worse, and ignored the elephant in the room which is that Labour are focusing on neither the “climate crisis” or the potholes, instead they’re betting it all on changing the road signs to make them incomprehensible, five times more expensive, and endangering safety.
    
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    July 24, 2023 12:57pm
- zulumonster
  
  “The Political joke of the past 6 years has to be Kelvin Davis …” well there is a fair bit of competition out there!
  Emma Cook in Stuff (supposedly a cartoonist) has outdone herself (gender assumption crime admitted) with a cartoon in the guise of the Hare and the Tortoise, showing the Greens as the winner of the Election Race, with The Maori Party closely following, while the Labour and National Party Tortoises fight with each other in the background.
  Quite why she would leave ACT out of the picture completely is a mystery (not really a mystery), but to suggest the Greens as the winner would be quite funny if it wasn’t so ludicrous and scary at the same time!
  
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  July 24, 2023 12:51pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    “Labour and National Party Tortoises fight with eachother”
    You mean Hares, don’t you?
    
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    July 24, 2023 1:49pm
    - Colville
      
      The Labour Party hare should have a bloody stump, having repeatedly shot itself in the foot recently.
      
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      July 24, 2023 2:24pm
krazykiwi

Nigeria’s CBDC, the eNaira, is getting some new features and Joseph Angaye, deputy director of the central bank’s risk management department is very excited about them.

The central bank also announced new programmability features to make the eNaira more user-friendly and increase the efficiency of government welfare programs.

Mr. Angaye said the CBDC can now be programmed to be spent in a specific location or on designated items, which could help users have better control over their spending. Most importantly, it would allow public authorities to ensure subsidies are used as intended.

“If we want to get funds across to farmers to acquire tools or for any other specific thing, we program it. They cannot divert the money transferred into their eNaira wallet to some other things,” the deputy director said.

If you thought the extent of tyranny introduced by the unvaxxed being sacked and told they were not welcome in cafe’s was bad, just wait until a CBDC gets its teeth into your liberty.

Resist.
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July 24, 2023 8:01am
- Clownworld
  
  Wonder if the system will be called the beast? Eye retina scan and palm reader already in place. What could possibly go wrong? 2000year old prophecy coming true?
  
  Bad enough all these conspiracies becoming fact after 3 weeks …
  
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  July 24, 2023 8:20am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Thought we were in favour of more controls over what beneficiaries do with the taxpayer money they’re given? Food vouchers etc
  
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  July 24, 2023 9:10am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I was. About 20 years ago, and long before I’d put the pieces together.
    
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    July 24, 2023 9:39am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    When you’re given taxpayer money and it is for a specific reason then maybe there can be conditions on how you use it. Though it’s potentially another slippery slope.
    
    The money I earn through my own endeavors? Nope, absolutely none of the state’s business.
    
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    July 24, 2023 9:49am
  - Grunter
    
    …..and retired folk??? Those who have been ripped off all their lives and survive on whatever the govt of the day provides in the way of programmable CBDC’s???! I can hear it now; “Your carbon footprint last week was xx Kg of CO2, therefore your govt basic income this week has been dropped back 20% and you will no longer be allowed to purchase meat nor petrol. Please stay at home and eat ze bugs….!!”
    
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    July 24, 2023 12:04pm
- Matt Long
  
  Interesting video on Central Bank Digital Currencies here, apparently the European Central Bank has been studying the Soviet Union on how to implement them, and a Universal Basic Income is a Trojan horse for an ID chip to make things easier for citizens to access their money.
  https://youtu.be/KGpQLbZXKME
  
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  July 24, 2023 9:49am
- NZer In Exile
  
  What happens when a large fascist enemy hacks the system and cripples it?
  
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  July 24, 2023 9:22pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/300934070/barbie-breaks-records-at-us-box-office-and-oppenheimer-soars-in-historic-weekend

Just as well these movies are hugely popular: I hardly think they want a headline which says “Oppenheimer bombs at box office”.
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July 24, 2023 8:05am
- Maggie Pie
  
  It didn’t take long….’TRANS BARBIE’
  
  https://twitter.com/JebraFaushay/status/1682853088779030528
  
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  July 24, 2023 8:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I think that sheila is a bloke.
    
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    July 24, 2023 8:30am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      You’ve become quite perceptive in your old age SteveO 😛
      
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      July 24, 2023 8:33am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Meth Barbie(™)
    
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    July 24, 2023 2:17pm
- Ruahine
  
  The movie Sound of Freedom has made more.
  
  sound of freedom box office
  
  [Mod – link cleaned up]
  
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  July 24, 2023 8:51am
  - Ruahine
    
    Thanks Mod.
    
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    July 24, 2023 10:02am
- emmess
  
  Haven’t seen Barbie and never will
  But it has basically marketed itself on a lie
  It will make decent money but will crash and burn in the next few weeks as word gets out
  
  Watch the Critical Drinker’s and Ben Shapiro’s reviews
  https://youtu.be/7J7aJtGphVs
  https://youtu.be/ynU-wVdesr0
  
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  July 24, 2023 9:15am
  - kowtow
    
    Marketing .
    
    The “hype”from te potty media over the last few weeks is not entertainment “news” as they pretend it to be .
    
    It is clearly a marketing campaign , dressed up as “news” .
    
    I wonder if that could be classified as disinformation.
    
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    July 24, 2023 9:51am
Tony Stuart

Will Kelvin Davis be the new Justice Minister after Kiri Allan’s resignation? What about Ginny Andersen? Or will there be a Great Leap Backwards to the ever-popular Andrew Little?
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July 24, 2023 8:07am
- Hacked-Off
  
  It’s Deborah Russell.
  
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  July 24, 2023 8:10am
- imalwaysright
  
  Doesn’t really matter.
  Under this government the most incompetent person in any ministry seems to be the minister.
  
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  July 24, 2023 8:11am
- Gravelroad
  
  Why appoint a new one at all?
  I don’t think justice for New Zealanders is very high up on the list of priorities for this government.
  
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  July 24, 2023 8:13am
  - pdm
    
    `I don’t think justice for New Zealanders is very high up on the list of priorities for this government.’
    
    Comment of the Day Gravel.
    
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    July 24, 2023 8:46am
- Warren
  
  Better still Tony will this be the fatal nail in Labours coffin that drops their ratings in the poll to below 30%.
  
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  July 24, 2023 8:19am
- surfing
  
  Time for the kindergarten kids to hand back the keys to the adults I think.
  
  Poto Williams was a pretty good minister of police haha.
  
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  July 24, 2023 8:31am
- Simon
  
  Whats next for Allan?
  
  Kiri Allan to set a multi million dollar consultancy to NZTA in its road to zero campaign.
  
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  July 24, 2023 8:57am
- imalwaysright
  
  If Kiri comes back to Parliament as an independent, she could call herself The Party Maori.
  
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  July 24, 2023 8:59am
- Countrygirl
  
  Wheres Mahuta when we need her?
  
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  July 24, 2023 9:52pm
Tomtoddy

What NZ politics needs right now, more than it has in any recent times, is a strong dose of integrity, leadership strength, policy reform based on what is proven, sound economics, colour blind law and the return of safe communities. There is no room for populist policies, vanity projects or shallow quick fixes. Almost every major policy area demands high level change, driven by principle and determination.

What is not evident is how NZFirst is proposing to add value to this urgently needed reform agenda. I would be happy to be convinced by any KB contributor that I am wrong. The weekend produced a strange mix of sound ideas and hopeless grandstanding policy offerings that would only weaken an already tired, badly mauled economy.

The most disturbing element is the thought that National and ACT would need NZFirst to form a government. It would be a disastrous, toxic cocktail with endless tug-o-war between ACT and NZFirst paralyzing National and the country would slide further downhill. ACT and NZFirst are polls apart and endless compromise would remove the opportunity to make the decisive change that is necessary. Tell me I am wrong?
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July 24, 2023 8:11am
- Chuck Bird
  
  The way things are going National and Act could get over 60 seats and it would not make any difference if NZF gets in. If that happened they should sack Mallard and give Winston his job.
  
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  July 24, 2023 8:30am
  - Mike
    
    You think Winston Peters wants to be ambassador to Ireland?
    
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    July 24, 2023 8:42am
    - Flossie
      
      I actually up-ticked Mike!
      
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      July 24, 2023 9:15am
      - Mike
        
        There’s hope for you yet.
        
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        July 24, 2023 9:26am
      - pdm
        
        Flossie – you forfeit all upticks for encouraging him.
        
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        July 24, 2023 10:24am
    - Matt Long
      
      Instead of Mallard? Ummm, yes.
      
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      July 24, 2023 9:25am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Would possibly prefer to be ambassador to a pacific island with good fishing methinks. Just a guess.
      
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      July 24, 2023 1:24pm
  - kowtow
    
    The fact that Mallard was able to chose that sinecure on the basis of family ties says an awful lot about how debased our cabinet decisions and foreign policy is .
    
    Both majot parties do it.
    
    Doesn’t pass the sniff test .
    
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    July 24, 2023 9:56am
  - Paulus
    
    Mallard will remain in Ireland anyway as he went there to be with family I understand.
    
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    July 24, 2023 11:10am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Excellent. Long may it last.
      
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      July 24, 2023 8:30pm
- I remember when
  
  As long as Winston Peters is NZ First you are right.
  
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  July 24, 2023 8:35am
- Prince
  
  You are wrong.
  Peters hates National. He will choose Labour, again.
  Don’t be fooled again.
  
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  July 24, 2023 8:42am
- Simon
  
  “to make the decisive change that is necessary. Tell me I am wrong?”
  
  Luxon thinks you are wrong. NZ First could be very important for Luxon. What is most important is that Luxon gets the PM gig. Will look great on his CV. Open up all sorts of doors for him.
  
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  July 24, 2023 9:02am
  - I remember when
    
    Simon:
    Should we get rid of all politicians who want to ‘get the PM gig.”
    
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    July 24, 2023 9:20am
    - Mike
      
      We would have a better country if all MPs were chosen at random from citizens.
      
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      July 24, 2023 9:28am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        What would you propose to do about randomly selected citizens who don’t want to do it?
        
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        July 24, 2023 10:25am
      - leoj
        
        Given your typical stance, wouldn’t you prefer the maori way and have all MPs appointed, by maori?
        
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        July 24, 2023 10:37am
      - Mike
        
        I’m not proposing a detailed scheme, here, Albert, just starting with a principle.
        
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        July 24, 2023 10:44am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        We would have a better country if all MPs were chosen at random by monkeys!
        
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        July 24, 2023 2:23pm
      - Ghost
        
        it’s a good guess to say that in cabinet today all ministers were sitting around each other picking dirt and parasites off of each other like a pack of monkeys and wondering who is next. My guess, someone higher up the food chain.
        
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        July 24, 2023 2:34pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @Albert_Ross @ 10:25AM
        
        That’s easy. No-one would serve who didn’t want to. See, for example, Defining features / Selection at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens%27_assembly. See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratified_sampling.
        
        Very briefly, as one example of how Sortition (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition) might work to choose our MPs, the country could be divided into, say, 12 multi-seat divisions, being nine in the North Island (7 x 10; 2 x 11) for 92 MPs, and three in the South Island (2 x 9; 1 x 10) for 28 MPs. There would be no separate Māori “seats”.
        
        That way, the people selected to serve could be controlled to ensure that males, females, Māori / Non-Māori, etc., etc., in proportion to the breakdown of the population of each division.
        
        Once selected, people would serve for two years before being rotated out (with 50% of the first cohort being rotated out after 18 months).
        
        The Wellington City Council is currently considering setting up a “citizens’ assembly” based on sortition.
        
        I’ll leave it that.
        
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        July 24, 2023 5:28pm
- Grunter
  
  Mallard vs Peters – is there any difference??? They are both bottom dwelling crooks.
  
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  July 24, 2023 12:09pm
pdm

On behalf of Prime Minister Hipkins I am pleased to advise my new Ministerial appointments following the unexpected resignation of Kiri Allen. But firstly I must say – how careless of me to lose another Minister.

Justice Portfolio: I have asked Paul Goldsmith to take this Portfolio as Labour has no one capable..

Regionial Development: I have asked David Seymour to take this Portfolio because he has more good ideas in a day than my whole Caucus and Cabinet has had in the seven months I have been Prime Minister.

And to think – I never had Hipkins down as a creative thinker.
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July 24, 2023 8:19am
- I remember when
  
  Unfortunately, Prime Minister Hipkins has shown poor judgement and lack of managerial skill in his handling of this matter.
  If the Police do not follow up on the drink driving charge they will come under further public scrutiny.
  The place for the arguments to occur is in the court, no matter how justifiable their approach may appear.
  
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  July 24, 2023 8:44am
I remember when

Breaking News: World swelters in record-breaking heat: NY Times.

It certainly did in Hanmer Springs which reached maximum temperatures of 3C on Saturday and 5C on Sunday.
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July 24, 2023 8:24am
- Miritu
  
  News is that the five hottest days in the last 100,000 years all happened this month, according to the World Meteorological Organization.
  Here is some much needed balance..
  https://off-guardian.org/2023/07/12/reality-check-no-we-didnt-just-have-the-hottest-week-in-100000-years/
  
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  July 24, 2023 9:39am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    https://off-guardian.org/ has been an excellent source of alternative news and information for 5 years now for me. Absolutely wonderful website with many diverse subjects discussed in an open forum.
    
    One of my top 5 sources of news and information.
    
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    July 24, 2023 9:56am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Funny how these climate propaganda pushers just tell complete lies. Over and over and over.
    
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    July 24, 2023 1:26pm
A deplorable

The left are busy making the latest Kiri Allen story all about poor Kiri’s mental state and why we put so much pressure on our leading public figures. They’re calling the end of her career “a tragedy”. Whereas the bald facts are that a feckless Maori got pissed, drove recklessly, smashed up her employer’s $70k car, then became obnoxious with the attending police. As a plea of mitigation “my client was upset at the time” doesn’t go far in court. Nor should it.
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July 24, 2023 8:25am
- NothingLeft
  
  To paraphrase Jack Nicholson: When I imagine a Labour MP, I just think of a National MP and take away the reason and accountability. To which I need to add Competence.
  
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  July 24, 2023 9:22am
- RoboRob
  
  I see a lot of people, DPF included, posting about Kiri Allans well known mental health issues.
  
  This is a big problem with the NZ media and establishment. I am sure for DPF and other Wellington insiders Allans mental health issues are well known. For the rest of the country, including people who regular read political blogs, this is in fact NOT well known. We have / had no idea of what and how bad her MH issues are.
  
  I know that she recently took a week off but assumed that was more around hiding from the media until the ‘work place bullying’ story blew over. Where were the stories about Allan struggling with personal problems, where were the talking heads asking ‘is her workload too much?’. When she was accused of bullying, where were the questions around her metal health?
  
  Instead she stuffs up majorly and the news outlets are all ‘well known mental health issues’ and ‘was she pushed too hard?’. It is hard to see this as anything other than scapegoating the issue.
  
  I know that historically the media has kept politicians personal issues private but surely there needs to be some questions around this. If Allans issues were public, perhaps Hipkins wouldn’t have promoted her and she wouldn’t have nuked her political career and probably increased her mental health issues. I also don’t recall the media being so nice to Aaron Gilmore when he committed the much less serious offence of getting drunk at a restaurant and being obnoxious.
  
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  July 24, 2023 9:39am
  - kowtow
    
    If she had such issues then she wasn’t fit for public office in the first place .
    And the media , who are meant to hold power to account stayed silent .
    
    But they don’t staysilent about politicians they hate such as Trump or Uffindel for eg.
    
    BTW they now have sympathy for this case ; compare and contrast with the relativley minor indiscretions of male Nats MPs who are pilloried when they are deemed to have stepped out of line.
    
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    July 24, 2023 10:01am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      None of them gave a toss about the mental health of thousands od NZers who lost their jobs, businesses, relationships, friendships etc during covid.
      
      Allen is one of the 121 overpaid MPs in Wellington who at best, totally ignored the real MH issues these innocent people had inflicted on them.
      
      Pardon me if I don’t show concern when one of these entitled, narcissistic, overpaid bullies self destructs. She isn’t even losing her job, only her portfolios.
      
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      July 24, 2023 10:21am
      - kowtow
        
        ‘None of them gave a toss about the mental health of thousands od NZers who lost their jobs, businesses, relationships, friendships etc during covid.’
        
        And now they’re doing the same thing with cliamte crazy.
        
        Any wonder young people are said to have so much anxiety .
        
        What the Establishment did ( wuflu) and is doing is unconsionable.
        
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        July 24, 2023 10:54am
      - Swifty
        
        I agree.
        
        Her job is an MP. Her role includes Ministerial responsibilities.
        
        She has lost those responsibilities, but not her job. She’s still an MP.
        
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        July 24, 2023 11:13am
      - KKKKatee
        
        I wouldn’t be surprised if she walks away altogether. She’s now unelectable to Cabinet.
        
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        July 24, 2023 12:19pm
  - Paulus
    
    I have head on the radio that she was expected to be a brilliant Justic Minister an Leader of Labour.
    Social media has been her downfall.
    Ain’t it all a bloomin shame, but as a Maori Lesbian she will come back in some highly paid position.
    
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    July 24, 2023 11:15am
- Drone
  
  Wait for the cultural report Ad before speculating. I’m sure colonisation was to blame for bringing cars and alcohol to New Zealand.. //
  
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  July 24, 2023 10:12am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Also am I right in presuming she is still an MP and getting her ludicrous salary while this circus continues?
  All I read in the headlines was that she has lost her portfolio. Not that she has been sacked as stated by Jan Tinetti.
  
  Speaking with emotion in her voice, Tinetti said hearing the news was “devastating, absolutely devastating.
  
  “I am so worried about my friend right now.”
  
  She denied the incident was being minimised when asked by reporters, saying Allan had lost her job.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/justice-minister-kiri-allans-arrest-and-resignation-absolutely-devastating-colleagues-reacts/Z2FN24JOKJHZZJJJH32WB4FEMA/
  
  The ‘journalists’ didn’t bother correcting this deliberate misinformation. This wasn’t journalism, it was a calculated PR piece designed to deflect from the crimes committed and to garner sympathy for someone totally ill suited to the job they were in.
  
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  July 24, 2023 10:15am
- rouppe
  
  Want she the one saying that “those of us from the East coast do things a bit differently”, and “we work hard and expect others to do the same”?
  
  Now it’s all “wah wah wah I’m having a tough time”.
  
  Fuck off.
  
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  July 24, 2023 12:07pm
Maggie Pie

“My MH issues were to do with personal things that happened.
Mental Health is not an excuse for poor behaviour – I’ve been clear, where there are issues to answer for, I will”

– Kiri Allan (Min. of Justice / Assoc. Min. of Transport) July 3. 2023
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July 24, 2023 8:31am
- Blog-aholic
  
  That is a statement that bites you in the bum.
  
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  July 24, 2023 8:36am
oldpark

Every time I hear either of the Two people who run the Green Party make mad dog statements on what they will do to hard working NZs if they get enough votes .
One threat that stands out. Tax the Pants of workers .Known as the “do people” to give to the “do not people”.
Sounds like funny haha or just funny peculiar.
What a bloody indictment of a group of so called Green MPs who have already done so much damage to most NZs with racist vile comments. Go Figure .
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July 24, 2023 8:35am
slightlyrighty

I see large parts of Greece are alight.

Surely some sort of large pan lid is required? I though that was the recommended action for a Greece fire?
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July 24, 2023 8:36am
Maggy Wassilieff

I expect it will be an interesting post-Cabinet press briefing today.

It would be a good time for PM Hipkins to announce the resignation of his Government.
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July 24, 2023 8:39am
- goNZ1
  
  tomorrows question time should be a snorter too!
  To the Prime Minister- what are the sentencing guidelines for an offence of careless driving,excess breath alcohol and refusing to accompany a plod,and can sitting MPs attand the House while wearing an ankle bracelet?
  
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  July 24, 2023 1:11pm
Rusty

Jacinda Ardern started the rot in the Labour party when she quit in January.

7 months later they are a train wreck. What else could possibly go wrong with this party leading up to the October elections?

If National don’t romp in come October, then there has to be something seriously wrong with their profile and policies with Nzers.
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July 24, 2023 8:40am
- mandk
  
  I disagree.
  
  Ardern started the rot when she decided that diversity was more important than competence.
  
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  July 24, 2023 9:01am
- wsk12345
  
  “Started the rot” – are you kidding. The rot was just hidden behind a shiny new coat of paint for the last few years and finally broke through.
  They have been a train wreck since 2017.
  
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  July 24, 2023 9:02am
- RoboRob
  
  JA and Hipkins have both proven that strong leadership is essential for any organisation. Covering up and weasel words might hide issues but poor leadership creates more. Key, the smiling assassin, was swift in dishing out justice but had far fewer problems to deal with.
  
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  July 24, 2023 9:43am
  - waikatosinger
    
    Sadly they have also proved that personal charisma will get you a long way in politics even if you are a dirtbag with no leadership skills and the morals of a snake.
    
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    July 24, 2023 12:49pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ardern started the rot in Hungary, 2009. Slowly but surely people listened and were brainwashed by the socialist cancer she spread.
  Today’s mess was always going to happen under Ardern. The blame is not fully on her. Gullible people continued to vote for her. I have trouble finding anyone who admits to letting New Zealand get in this state.
  I am angry sure, but I can’t do anything about it until the Election.
  Take a good look around, our lovely New Zealand has been fucked over quite badly.
  
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  July 24, 2023 10:00am
  - Drone
    
    But SO what about after the election if your wet dream doesn’t come true..
    
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    July 24, 2023 10:15am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Ya see? I am not one of those gullible people, so I will not be betting $1 each way.
      
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      July 24, 2023 11:49am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    This is where the rot started Comrades:
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9rsxFaq6Ig
    
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    July 24, 2023 11:08am
- kowtow
  
  Always remember Winson First Peters started the rot by putting her in power.
  
  Now he has the gall to say he’s the answer to all the problems he’s caused , and some 3 % are still taken in by the charlatan.
  
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  July 24, 2023 10:05am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Winson First Peters started the rot by putting her in power
    
    Not like when he did the same for Bolger
    
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    December 24, 2022 6:43pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Ardern started the rot the day she became PM. The country has been a train wreck ever since. She jumped or was pushed but there is nothing now able to stop this train wreck until the lot of them are kicked out of power.
  Those who take over have a horrendous job ahead of them trying to pick up the pieces. I’m not seeing too much so far that’s giving me a encouragement.
  
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  July 24, 2023 10:31am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She jumped. She saw the shadow of all of her lies lurking on the horizon.
    Bugger this, I’m outa here!
    
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    July 24, 2023 11:00am
  - Paulus
    
    I see Ardern got herself into every photo she could at the Football last week – then into something stupid with a US Husband photoshoot.
    
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    July 24, 2023 11:18am
Right of way is Way of Right

You know, if the Labour Party selected people on the basis of competence and ability, rather than the colour of their face, what’s between their legs, and the gender they prefer to sleep with, they might have enough competent people so that those portfolios could have been managed while Kiri was in recovery.

The fact that they did not, and this is what it has led to, is a damning indictment of the role of identity politics in the Labour Party selection process.
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July 24, 2023 8:41am
Maggy Wassilieff

When you read headlines like “Justice Minister arrested”, you think it must be referring to PNG or Fiji… or some other Pacific paradise of ineptitude…
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July 24, 2023 8:46am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Certainly in a Third World Country.
  
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  July 24, 2023 10:57am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…..

@ginnieanderson @andrewcoster

Not sure if these devices can be retro-fitted to Skoda Superbs…..but if the Police are looking for a safe answer to fleeing drivers, surely they must be worth trialling?

https://twitter.com/HowThingsWork_/status/1682430766972559360
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July 24, 2023 8:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Waka Coathanger would not use a retro-fit, they would design their own.
  Consultants, Engineers, Prototypes, Prototype testing, the list goes on.
  Small cost of $200M before it gets to the manufacturer. Another First for New Zealand.
  
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  July 24, 2023 10:56am
Simon

Evans Bay Parade goodness what a dangerous stretch of road. A 10 kph speed limit is a must. Road to Zero.
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July 24, 2023 8:53am
Suze Wainwright

Is there any correlation between political parties that condemn the demon drink so passionately (esp. Greens, but also Labour) having representatives that succumb so badly to it?
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July 24, 2023 9:04am
- Klondike
  
  hoist by their own petard, very poetic.
  
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  July 24, 2023 9:13am
- wsk12345
  
  “Colonialism! Evil whitey brought the booze and now we suffer for it.”
  
  No thought given to not drinking of you can’t handle it.
  
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  July 24, 2023 9:29am
I remember when

There has been a lot of discussion about immigration, the need for, and the effect on things like housing.
Here are some population stats showing results for various 5-year periods showing population increase percentages.
1951/5: 2.12%: 2.40%: 2.50%: 2.31%: 2.13%:
Population: 1,911,608 to 2,140,976 = 229,368 (12%)
1956-60: 2.12%: 2.24%: 2.29%: 2.12%: 1.98%:
Population: 2,140,976 to 2,381,189 = 240,213 (11.22%).
1971-5: 1.59%: 1.81%: 2.05%: 2.09%: 1.73%:
Population: 2,824,061 to 3,095,428 = 271,367 (9.61%)
2006-10: 1.14%: 0.99%: 0.92%: 1.00%; 1.01%:
Population: 4,132,781 to 4,346,338 = 213,557 (5.13%)
2016-20: 1.69%: 1.67%: 1.94%: 2.49%: 2.06%:
Population: 4,590,590 to 5,061,133 = 407,543 (10.25%).

I guess it all comes down to what we consider is the required population size.
How many, is too many?
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July 24, 2023 9:13am
Maggie Pie

They’re saying more than TEN police cars were on site of Kiri’s accident and arrest in Evans Bay!

WTF??
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July 24, 2023 9:30am
- Ghost
  
  Have you googled? May have been a donut shop near by?
  
  We get around that for crashes down here, a few to work the crash scene, others directing traffic,
  
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  July 24, 2023 9:36am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I was wondering if it might have related to how violently she resisted arrest?
    
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    July 24, 2023 9:40am
    - Ghost
      
      Could be, if this was usa the police dashcam would already be in the media.
      
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      July 24, 2023 9:46am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Perhaps this wonderfully open and transparent govt will release the body cam footage.
        
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        July 24, 2023 1:31pm
      - Ghost
        
        I cannot find anything that our police have body cameras. 2019 they stopped the review into getting them, strange that supermarkets are equipping staff with them but not police
        
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        July 24, 2023 1:41pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Really? Sounds nuts. Especially in a country where the police have their hands tied behind their backs.
        
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        July 24, 2023 2:25pm
- Paulus
  
  It appears also that she may have been over a certain limit for drink so does she not get an automatic $500 fine simply for that as well as eveythig else.
  Tell us what was the limits she blew please police.
  
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  July 24, 2023 11:22am
  - rouppe
    
    Would have been between .05 and .08
    
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    July 24, 2023 11:59am
- goNZ1
  
  fair enough – they were wanting to be in on an historic occasion and be able to tell their grandkids later. ” Papa tell us about the time you arrested a stroppy boozed Maori Cabinet Minister at 9pm on a Sunday night”
  
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  July 24, 2023 1:17pm
Ghost

Disgusting to hear a man shouting out to pull a woman’s pants down. Police were outside, these “men” could have gone and asked for them to remove her

A Palmerston North woman was dragged out of a Stop Co-Governance meeting after protesting against the event, with some members of the crowd yelling “pull her pants down”.

Victoria Jakobs claimed to the Herald around six people assaulted her while she was protesting Julian Batchelor’s speech on Saturday night on the Palmerston North leg of the tour.

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July 24, 2023 9:34am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Perhaps she should have kept her nose out of it and stayed home?
  
  Just saying.
  
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  July 24, 2023 9:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Only sensible people do that. Others just want to make trouble.
    
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    July 24, 2023 10:45am
  - Tricati
    
    Correct – and if Labour had held public consultation on he puapua nd co-governance like they promised, the likes of Batchelor’s meetings may have been avoided. The government haven’t held the promised meetings, so what Batchelor is doing is essential for getting the word out and explaining the true intent of the Labour agenda – good on him.
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-confirms-public-consultation-on-m-ori-co-governance-will-happen-in-2022.html
    
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    July 24, 2023 10:51am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      More of Ardern’s lies? Julian Batchelor is doing a good job that Labour should have done. Thing is Labour where giving everything requested to Maori, all for future votes, and to maybe be part of the Elite Maori Coup. They were selling NZ to Maori. Pity some just can not see that.
      Julian is racist, Julian is an Evangelist, Julian is spreading his filth, and so on.
      Pathetic diversions!
      
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      July 24, 2023 12:11pm
- Ruahine
  
  Reads like a setup for the news media.
  
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  July 24, 2023 10:00am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Ruahine – 100% correct. This is part of a controlled narrative designed to paint anyone opposing the co governance train wreck as ‘far right’, ‘violent’, ‘misogynistic’ or any other label that denigrates them.
    
    Our protesters ‘good’, anyone opposing us, ‘evil’.
    
    It was used to great effect during covid. It’s now becoming easily recognisable for what it is. Censorship of free speech and descent into tyranny and state control of everything. Resist it at every opportunity.
    
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    July 24, 2023 10:50am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Clan, you’re correct. Even over at the Standard, someone tried to post the events at Saturday’s Stop Co-governance meeting as how low, depraved & misogynistic the right wing are. This person then got told they had a warped sense of what is important and what is wrong in NZ in contemporary NZ. Other posters suggested he should get some perspective & reflect on the news about the missing real estate agent, the shootings in Auckland, and the tragedy (in the Shakespearean sense) that has been the rise and fall of Kiri Allan.
      
      In days gone by, the protestor would have been escorted out of the hall, “handed over” to police and told to b****r off! But we live in a different era, where these people have the right to disrupt the meetings of others.
      
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      July 24, 2023 12:50pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        “Stop touching me. You are assaulting me”
        
        Sounds like the adults are still children – isn’t that right Sue Bradford?????
        But we won’t blame you for your propaganda.
        
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        July 24, 2023 5:54pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Maybe don’t turn up to a public meeting with the intent of stopping people speaking or being heard? She was blowing a whistle. She wasn’t there to discuss or debate. She was there to shut down free debate.
  
  Also, you’re repeating hearsay, not facts.
  
  It’s another smear piece, it’s getting old hat. Used against many during the last 3 years, anyone daring to oppose the ‘single source of truth’ that pervades New Zimbabwe.
  
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  July 24, 2023 10:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She should not have been inside the venue. That was trespass.
    Sadly NZ has been reduced to this. If you don’t like what someone is saying at a “private meeting” you just simply drown them out with your own noise.
    
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    July 24, 2023 10:43am
    - Ghost
      
      You do not drag a person out by the feet and shout out to pill her pants down. You walk out the door and get the police to remove her
      
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      July 24, 2023 10:51am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        You mean like the police removed the thug battering an old lady and the other violent trans protesters at Posie Parker’s free speech event?
        
        There’s a pattern emerging and you haven’t picked up on it yet Ghost. Genuine free speech is being suppressed with the support of this communist government and their lackeys. This was another controlled hit piece. Nothing else. The ‘protester’ deserved to be thrown out on their arse.
        
        Read this and be aware of how this works and how it is being shoved down our throats, then understand how dangerous it is becoming.
        
        “Once You Start Censoring, You’re On Your Way To Dystopia And Totalitarianism”, RFK Jr. Wrecks House Committee
        
        https://www.zerohedge.com/political/once-you-start-censoring-youre-your-way-dystopia-and-totalitarianism-rfk-jr-wrecks-house?utm_source=
        
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        July 24, 2023 11:16am
      - Ghost
        
        No clan the pattern is not that is should be OK to assault a woman to get her out of a meeting, nor is it to justify that with how the police responded in Auckland. If people want to reply like for like with the protestors then you’ve already lost
        
        The suppression of free speech took off under this government but it’s nothing new that has just started the past 6 years, it’s just some have finally woken up to it and to meet it with violence or aggression plays right into their hands.
        
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        July 24, 2023 11:28am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        “drag a person out and shout out to pull a woman’s pants down”
        
        Did the people people who had to drag the cancel thugs out for the sake of everyone who attended the meeting also shout out to pull a woman’s pants down? I think not.
        
        It appears the aim here is to disingenuously flag SCG as a “misogynistic” group for Labour’s woke and fascistic censorship machinery (including NZ’s sycophantic braindead media) to descend upon it.
        
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        July 24, 2023 2:44pm
      - Ghost
        
        As pointed out one of the woman at the meeting condemned the man for saying it so the comment didn’t come from the protestors.
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/07/general_debate_24_july_2023.html/comment-page-1#comment-3407149
        
        It seems you want to justify the way this woman was treated rather than admit she should not have been treated as such. Again, if this was a trans person dragging out a woman’s rights protestor and saying pull their pants down all hell would break lose here, it seems this is acceptable when flipped around.
        
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        July 24, 2023 2:55pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        [Events – not needed. mod.]
        
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        July 24, 2023 2:56pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        “It seems you want to justify the way this woman was treated rather than admit she should not have been treated as such.”
        
        Strawman. I’ve already said the alleged comments were ugly, BUT far from the real point.
        
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        July 24, 2023 3:02pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Boring comments Ghost. You are not reading the full picture. Taking a lot of bait further through today’s comments.
        All we hear is “you don’t say….” Well seriously, what can you contribute other than that?
        
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        July 24, 2023 6:00pm
  - Ghost
    
    What’s heresay clan, the video showing her dragged out by her feet or in the video the man shouting out to pull her pants down
    
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    July 24, 2023 10:45am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I haven’t watched the video, I refuse to click shit in the Whoreald and support them. I’ve responded below re the comment if it was true. It would not have been said in seriousness.
      As for getting dragged out? It was a private meeting. She clearly refused to leave when asked. What do you suggest the meeting organisers do, cancel again?
      
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      July 24, 2023 10:52am
      - Ghost
        
        You go outside the door to the police who were there clan and you ask them to remove her. Watch the video doesn’t sound like they are joking at all
        
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        July 24, 2023 10:55am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Cancel again? That is exactly what the protesters want. They see it as a win.
        Pressure is on venue owners all over NZ. Councils threatened from inside the Council. Churches threatened with being burnt down. Sometimes a mad scramble to find another venue, but keep the lid on the location. Address only given to registered.
        This is NZ 2023 being destroyed over free speech.
        
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        July 24, 2023 12:23pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Ghost, besides the Police each meeting has hired Security. They are there to remove the scum.
        
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        July 24, 2023 12:24pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Ghost get real. The police would have closed down the meeting.
        
        There have been too many examples of the police failing to defend the rights of people to attend meetings such as Saturday, only for protesters to cause a public disturbance and the authorities to close down the meeting.
        
        The worst example was the Albert Park meeting, but others to suffer such fate have included Batchelor & Don Brash. The police have done nothing to protect people’s rights.
        
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        July 24, 2023 1:00pm
      - Ghost
        
        Police were outside the doors keeping the protestors out. Police have been at most meetings keeping the protestors outs.so I guess they are protecting the rights of people to be there. And at this event police protected Batchelor from protestors as he left the event
        
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        July 24, 2023 1:12pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        She was asked, so she sat on the floor and continued to blow the whistle.
        
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        July 25, 2023 9:47am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Ghost are you are aware of the vile lowlife filth that comes out the mouths of the cancel-SCG mob?
      
      How come you never call THAT out?
      
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      July 24, 2023 2:48pm
      - Ghost
        
        I don’t recall seeing such posts here, and I typically avoid Steve’s co-governance posts
        
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        July 24, 2023 2:56pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Steve never mentioned anything about “pants down”. Right?
        
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        July 24, 2023 2:59pm
      - Ghost
        
        That was the second story below the kiri allen story this morning which is the only reason I saw it. Whether you agree or disagree with the protestor the behaviour in removing that person should not have happened. The police were right outside the door. The behaviour at Albert park should not have happened, but there I believe it was more the police were instructed to not intervene.
        
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        July 24, 2023 3:09pm
    - wsk12345
      
      She was asked to leave and chose to lie on the floor. When it’s private property and the police are on her side what choice do you have
      
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      July 24, 2023 6:09pm
      - Ghost
        
        Police were outside stopping protestors from going in. Police also escorted Julian from the building afterwards for his protection. Doesn’t look like the police were on any side. The choice you make is not one that gives a protestor nationwide press coverage.
        
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        July 24, 2023 6:15pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It was Security who removed her. I don’t know where the “pull her pants down” comment came from. It was uncalled for.
  
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  July 24, 2023 10:47am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I can only imagine it was said the way you used to be able to, when someone was behaving like a spoilt brat, treat them like a spoilt brat. Spank them.
    
    Yes, I agree in this day and age it sounds inappropriate, but I have no doubt it was not a malicious comment. That’s the problem in the current moronic ‘woke’ environment. Everything is taken literally. People are terrified to say anything in case someone is offended.
    
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    July 24, 2023 10:55am
  - cmm
    
    OK, I’ll bite.
    Did someone really say this? Or did someone just “hear” it?
    These days I don’t believe anything just coz someone said something – especially an activist.
    
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    July 24, 2023 11:52am
    - Ghost
      
      It’s in the video
      
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      July 24, 2023 12:03pm
    - Lance
      
      Maybe they have Trev’s hearing aid?
      
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      July 24, 2023 4:27pm
- Ehlana
  
  Yes, it was a disgusting thing he said. I didn’t actually hear him say it in the video, I did hear a woman immediately condemn him for it. Which is what should happen. And seems to have been missed by commentators so far.
  
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  July 24, 2023 12:24pm
  - Ghost
    
    That’s good to hear that someone condemned him for saying it
    
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    July 24, 2023 12:26pm
    - blue collar
      
      Disagree
      Should hv booted her up the arse aswell .
      If you go out looking for trouble , don’t come crying when you find it
      She’s lucky she was only dragged out and not punched like the old lady at posies speech .
      
      Diddums , someone said something …. Boo hoo , harden up guys , no wonder the wokesters hv come so far with apologists refusing to fight …. clean or dirty
      
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      July 24, 2023 2:33pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      For saying what Ghost?
      I did hear part of the said ‘pants’ thing.
      Watch play school TV1 News, they will provide every recording, except the edited recordings.
      
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      July 24, 2023 6:07pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Plenty of reports of cancel culture thugs invading SCG meetings getting in peoples faces, making threatening gestures to audience members then photographing the said audience members. Basically a form of intimidation and doxxing. These people also scream, yell and just make a nuisance of themselves to stop people hearing the message.
  
  But let’s make the story about a few angry idiots somewhere (allegedly) yelling thicko comments in response. For the sake of always calling things out for the sisterhood or something. It’s probably not even the whole story anyway.
  
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  July 24, 2023 1:40pm
  - Ghost
    
    May not be the full story, but we should be better than that, unless you want to sink to their level then you’ve lost. I can only imagine the outrage that would be rightfully expressed if a trans person dragged out a woman protestor shouting to pull down her pants.
    
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    July 24, 2023 2:02pm
- Grunter
  
  Lots of debate above already. What’s worse, a spur of the moment comment “pull her pants down…” that in my opinion was a crumsy old school comment made in jest; vs a sly deceitful 6 year program to implement modern day aparthied in NZ?
  Uptick if you think the racist co-governance program is worse….
  
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  July 24, 2023 2:42pm
  - Ghost
    
    Sly 6 years? Been going on a lot longer than that.
    
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    July 24, 2023 2:46pm
    - Grunter
      
      Ghost – I agree, but you missed my point. This new age of woke racism (co-governance) will end in tears and worse….this is just a minor start to the bad behaviour that is inevitable if this govt led racism (co-governance) is allowed to continue.
      
      The Stop Co-Governance crew is trying their best to put a halt to the obvious and stated racism by this government and its supporters.
      
      And you’re upset that someone yelled at a racist supporter …..”pull her pants down”….?? All racists deserve a bigger punishment than this.
      
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      July 24, 2023 3:59pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Exactly, it’s time people hardened up and call this crap for what it is. Don’t put up with it or you encourage even more of it and worse.
        
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        July 25, 2023 7:15am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Yep the focusing on one alleged ugly (yet we don’t have the whole story) comment from one person (a lefty plant possibly???) vs the bigger picture of NZs looming fascist and nutty race regime. Looks like a further attempt to cancel SCG meetings and promote the said racist regime to me.
    
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    July 24, 2023 3:05pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I looked at the jawline of Viktoria and wondered whether that is not a recently chosen name.
  
  Possibly the ‘pants down’ comment is not unrelated.
  
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  July 24, 2023 8:38pm
I remember when

“Pull her pants down”: Manawatu Standard. (Reporter Maxine Jacobs)
“Woman dragged from anti co-governance meeting.”
“Jakobs, who is pakeha, had entered the meeting with her sign and whistle to protest the roadshow.”
“The roadshow’s leader evangelist Julian Batchelor said nothing when she was dragged out.”
“I felt terribly unsafe.”

Good Lord, you can’t even drown out the speaker at a meeting now without being removed.
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July 24, 2023 9:37am
- Albert_Ross
  
  There’s a difference between being “removed” and being dragged out by four men while others shout for your pants to be pulled down.
  
  Sorry, but there is no getting round this. This was an opportunity for Batchelor and his supporters to show themselves to be better, willing to listen to other viewpoints and to participate in civilised debate, and they failed it utterly. Pity
  
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  July 24, 2023 10:31am
  - rouppe
    
    But the protester didn’t want to debate.
    
    She just wanted to cause an insufferable noise with a whistle in order to prevent debate
    
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    July 24, 2023 11:57am
    - Ghost
      
      You don’t lower yourself to others levels. Her behavior isn’t an excuse for the behavior in removing her. People should be better than that
      
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      July 24, 2023 12:02pm
      - rouppe
        
        I’ll give you that it went too far, especially the pulling pants comment.
        
        However ejecting the person of they refuse to leave is perfectly reasonable.
        
        Were not playing tiddly winks.
        
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        July 24, 2023 3:50pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Seems a lot on this blog are not lowering themselves to your level as well Ghost.
        I don’t know if my comment is satire or not 🙂
        
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        July 24, 2023 6:12pm
    - Albert_Ross
      
      And in doing so she provided the rest of the people with an opportunity to demonstrate that they were better than her, and instead they demonstrated that they were worse.
      
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      July 24, 2023 12:12pm
      - waikatosinger
        
        They? 99.9% of the people there uttered no such comment.
        
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        July 24, 2023 6:11pm
    - I remember when
      
      “Pull her pants down.”
      If I was pro-cogovernance, would yelling that out seem like a clever chance to smear!
      
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      July 24, 2023 3:16pm
  - Ehlana
    
    “willing to listen to other viewpoints and to participate in civilised debate”. How can you do that when the “other viewpoint” consists of someone blowing a whistle to drown out all speech? Constructive and civil discourse requires civility on both sides or it just can’t happen.
    
    I’ve had another listen – one person called out to pull her pants down and was told off by another member of the audience.
    
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    July 24, 2023 12:32pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Wrong. “Willing to listen to other viewpoints” is catered for after the meeting. The protocol of the meetings is a speech and presentation with questions (one at a time) and answers done afterwards. Allowing anyone to interrupt a presentation just causes chaos. The opportunity is always there after the meeting.
    The Jakobs woman was there to disrupt and should not have been inside.
    “She said she was expecting to be asked to leave and be escorted out by police” is a blatant lie from a grown up brat!
    
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    July 24, 2023 12:37pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “willing to listen to other viewpoints ”
    
    There was no “viewpoint”. Just a noisy and threatening tantrum to stop people speaking
    
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    July 24, 2023 1:42pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    and who reported the Pull her pants down comment?
    
    The protestor?
    
    Being NZ and 2023 there will be plenty of people videoing the scuffle.
    
    So context and actual words should easily be available.
    
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    July 24, 2023 2:41pm
    - Ghost
      
      The person who uploaded the video, who most likely didn’t realise what a stupid move it was to share that video.
      
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      July 24, 2023 2:47pm
  - I remember when
    
    “others” Albert.
    The article mentioned someone from the meeting yelling for them to “pull her pants off.”
    “willing to listen to other viewpoints”, perhaps they forgot to bring their whistles.
    Not sure how many viewpoints a whistle has got.
    Keep it up and you could become a reporter.
    
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    July 24, 2023 3:05pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      OUCH!!!
      
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      July 24, 2023 6:48pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She was trespassing at a private meeting then removed.
  
  Does it really matter if Julian Batchelor is an Evangelist? I don’t see the point.
  He is a man of faith – I am not. Does not mean I don’t talk to him.
  If Jakobs has just stopped with the whistle, she could have walked out under her own steam. Another rent-a-mob candidate who wants to get on the media.
  
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  July 24, 2023 10:39am
- cmm
  
  Blowing a whistle loudly in a confined space is assault.
  
  Shutting down a person blowing such a whistle is self defence.
  
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  July 24, 2023 3:16pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That may take a while for some to comprehend cmm.
    Lets face it, when it comes to protesters in NZ, they are not the brightest bulbs in the chandelier.
    
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    July 24, 2023 6:51pm
Biscuit

Am going to the Cake Tin tomorrow night for the FIFA Women’s World Cup game between The Philippines and New Zealand.

What is the biggest potential threat to my day out?:

• Jacinda Ardern turning up?
• The Philippines bursting the Black Fernz bubble?
• The weather in this here Riviera of the South not playing ball?
• Potholes on the road(s)?
• ‘Just Stop Oil’ protestors on the road(s)?
• Labour Party Members of Parliament on the road(s)?
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July 24, 2023 9:44am
- Drone
  
  Lack of parking Biscuit, or if trying to use alternative transport waiting an hour for a bus in the rain because Metlink only put a single decker on to move one thousand fans who live on your route.. Oh and defo the rain…
  
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  July 24, 2023 10:22am
- ClanMcleod
  
  All of them are highly likely to occur……
  
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  July 24, 2023 10:37am
- Mike
  
  Going to be a great night out. If you are actually worried about any of those things (apart from the possibility of a football upset) it might be an indication that you have been reading too many Kiwiblog comments and taking them too seriously.
  
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  July 24, 2023 11:00am
Rusty

Be interesting to see if Kiri faces criminal charges for drink driving and resisting arrest.

Could she get home detention and have to wear an ankle bracelet?
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July 24, 2023 9:52am
- cmm
  
  Cruel and unusual punishment etc.
  
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  July 24, 2023 9:57am
- Chuck Bird
  
  She has been charged with reckless driving and resisting arrest.
  
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  July 24, 2023 10:31am
  - gravedodger
    
    She will be a case for “diversion” surely, Andy “The Imposter” will already have the paperwork in hand.
    
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    July 24, 2023 10:47am
Inandout

We were almost about to arrange our Melbourne travel plans for November, then Dan has another brain fart. I heard that Andrews spoke for 90 minutes about cancelling the Games and refused to take any questions; unbelievable. Anyway the link:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/travel/news/vic-government-considers-tourism-levy-on-short-term-visits-to-the-state/ar-AA1edB4d
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July 24, 2023 9:52am
Fisiani2

Why do people still think Labour should be supported?
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July 24, 2023 9:52am
- kowtow
  
  They love OPM.
  
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  July 24, 2023 10:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    And free shit!
    
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    July 24, 2023 10:31am
    - Ian Boag
      
      And free shit!
      
      Says the proud pensioner leeching off his kids generation ….
      
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      July 24, 2023 7:02pm
- Paulus
  
  A recent analysis of a poll show that, if I remember, the figures that 52% of the women over 50 years still vote Labour.
  Women have for a long time held the balance of the electorates.
  
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  July 24, 2023 11:25am
- NZer In Exile
  
  People are suffering financially. When the socialists offer lots of free and discounted stuff people compare it to the hard measures the centre right will have to take to get the country up and running for the long term good. Sheeple then vote for the promises of free and discounted stuff.
  
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  July 24, 2023 1:45pm
Maggie Pie

Personally, I’ve always appreciated the importance of a good ‘work-life balance’

😀 😀 😀
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July 24, 2023 10:02am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance meeting on Saturday. The thing is, she should not have been inside that “private meeting” It is trespassing.
This shows the class and intelligence of the people who want to shot down the meetings (stopping free speech) If they wand to protest, then sure do your protest, but not over and above a meeting already in progress. Would they gatecrash and trespass a Wedding Reception?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/300933786/pull-her-pants-down-woman-dragged-from-palmerston-north-anti-cogovernance-meeting
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July 24, 2023 10:13am
- Ghost
  
  Doesn’t matter if she should have been there or not. You don’t drag a person out and shout out to pull a woman’s pants down.
  
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  July 24, 2023 10:17am
  - kowtow
    
    You don’t go to someone’s meeting equipped to disrupt and destroy other people’s experience .
    
    That’s what fascists do .
    
    She’s a fascist .
    
    She got what she deserved.
    
    ps te potty media best be careful who’s side they take .There will be a reckoning. Happening already .
    
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    July 24, 2023 10:48am
    - Ghost
      
      And you don’t drag them out and call to pull their pants down. You walk out the door to the police standing there and ask them to remove her
      
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      July 24, 2023 10:56am
      - kevn
        
        But I did like how the first thing they did was take her whistle, leaving her teeth behind.
        
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        July 24, 2023 1:36pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Ghost she got insulting comments (yes over the top, but harass people and shit is going to come your way in the heat of the moment) because she was simply being an censorious a-hole by all accounts. I recall you also supported the Albert Park violent tools “rights” to be anti free speech a-holes (IE simply screechers an loud-hailer speech blockers). I guess you are consistent!
        
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        July 24, 2023 1:49pm
      - Ghost
        
        I’ve never supported the violence at Albert park, i support their right to protest, I support everyone’s right to peacefully protest, not to use violence and attack people.
        
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        July 24, 2023 2:26pm
      - kowtow
        
        “Police standing there “.
        
        There’s no way there should be such an appalling waste of scarce police resources , in the midst of a crime emergency , for them to be at these meetings.
        
        In a liberal democracy people must be able to have meetings and gatherings for lawful purposes and not have to be intimidated , disrupted or cancelled by fascists .( or anyone else for that matter).
        
        And that’s what te potty media should be banging on relentlessly about , not about whether a neo nazi brown shirt felt “unsafe”.
        
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        July 24, 2023 1:52pm
    - Tom Barker
      
      The “fascists” at Batchelor’s meetings are the brownshirt thugs such as proudly neo-Nazi Kyle Chapman who are running “security” for him.
      
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      July 24, 2023 1:48pm
    - Tom Barker
      
      The real “fascists” at Julian Batchelor’s meetings are the brownshirt thugs such as proudly neo-Nazi Kyle Chapman who are running “security” for him.
      
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      July 24, 2023 2:26pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    As claimed by her.
    Not that she has any reason to lie?
    Is it not more likely that they said “grab her by the pants” or something like that (which would reduce risk of bruising etc)?
    
    I disagree with carrying her out but I also disagree with her blowing a whistle in a confined space with other people – that too can do real harm.
    
    Also – “I felt unsafe” isn’t relevant – she shouldn’t have been there.
    
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    July 24, 2023 1:10pm
    - Ghost
      
      No, it’s actually in the video the man calling out to pull her pants down.
      
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      July 24, 2023 1:45pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Sounds ugly for sure. But the reason was to stop her thrashing about like an idiot? Is that possible?
        
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        July 24, 2023 1:53pm
      - Ghost
        
        Walk out the door, get the police standing out there, would never have made the media. We can’t do this, we can’t challenge these thugs no matter if they are protestors at these meetings or protestors at a woman’s rights meeting with meeting them at their level. The result will always be bad media.
        
        Steve always goes on about trump and chess, that’s how you have to play these people, thinking a few steps ahead, because you know they are only there for that one news story that will taint whole events. You give it to them, they win
        
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        July 24, 2023 2:14pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        You make it sound like the police don’t have their hands tied behind their backs in NZ and they’ll just automatically and efficiently stop “trouble makers” supporting the woke narrative (that now infects all institutions). That doesn’t happen.
        
        How did the Albert Park granny bashing happen again?
        
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        July 24, 2023 3:10pm
      - Ghost
        
        As I’ve just said the police were more than likely told not to intervene in Albert park but in this case they were right outside they door, they even escorted Julian out after the meeting.
        
        As mike said and he is right. Security guards cannot even detain a shoplifter. They sure as hell aren’t allowed to drag a person out by the feet.
        
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        July 24, 2023 3:16pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Just a thought. Is it possible the woman in question was kicking people while security was trying to restrain her? Could that have invited the dreaded comment? Hard to kick people with denim ankle-cuffs on. Again, not a nice or ideal comment but given the feral and threatening nature of the SCG cancel thugs who turn up it wouldn’t surprise me.
        
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        July 24, 2023 3:14pm
      - Ghost
        
        Doesn’t look like she is kicking, but the lady that says “excuse me you cannot say that” needs respect for saying that
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/300933786/pull-her-pants-down-woman-dragged-from-palmerston-north-anti-cogovernance-meeting
        
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        July 24, 2023 3:40pm
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Fair enough, I stand corrected. It was definitely wrong in that case.
        Unfortunately, that horrible person got what she wanted. It’s the problem with having a reasonable argument (that co governance is bad) that’s shared by ideologues pushing their own agenda. The ideologues need to step back and let the adults talk.
        Unfortunately, ideologues love the limelight.
        And of course, the protestors are full of bigoted thugs like her that love using violence to push their agenda (and yes, blowing a whistle to drown out the people that were there to talk is violence).
        
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        July 24, 2023 3:19pm
      - Ghost
        
        It’s why people need to not reply at their level, she won that meeting, she got in the news because of that video clip. Imagine if it was instead a video of her sitting there blowing the whistle, screaming out being removed by the police. Wouldn’t make the news, but would be over social media.
        
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        July 24, 2023 3:29pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Unfortunately this is where we are at.
        Peoples patience with the Hecklers Veto has run out.
        We are seeing this with the Just Stop Oil protests.
        Personally I prefer their Counter Protest Group, ‘Just Stop pissing everyone off’ as ridicule is more effective.
        However, what we are starting to see is people now getting violent.
        Its gone from pushing them away to grabbing them by the hair, kicking and people being pretty much thrown onto the sidewalk.
        When people get frustrated in the face of such obdurate stupidity then they lose their temper.
        Both sides at that Co Governance meeting were wrong but that women was deliberately provocative and got her 30 seconds of fame.
        You can argument about what is right or wrong but these people will not move or desist unless physically forced too. And even the Police will have to do that too- which is the correct course of action.
        This is the fruit of the Politics of division.
        Ardern has done her Masters well.
        
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        July 24, 2023 3:53pm
  - blue collar
    
    Harden up ghost . Of course you drag them out . Don’t shout at someone ??
    Carmon . Probably a bloke anyway
    Should’ve pulled the pants down to check
    
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    July 24, 2023 2:38pm
- Mike
  
  Was it a private meeting? Did one have to book, or join an organization to attend? Even if a private meeting, however defined, is there a right to assault someone who is considered to be uninvited?
  You might be aware that security guards at supermarkets and bouncers at pubs, etc have strict limitations on what they can do with trespassers and other miscreants.
  
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  July 24, 2023 11:05am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    If you went to the Stop Co-Governance web page you would find out Mike.
    
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    July 24, 2023 12:45pm
  - Grunter
    
    Every country over time that has attempted to implement superior or even different rights for one ethnicity over another has ALWAYS resulted in violence. What we are starting to see at these meetings is small fry to what WILL happen if this new age woke racism continues. History shows this to be true, it is undeniable.
    MIKE – you are part of the problem with your horrible woke identy politics and race based views of the world.
    
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    July 24, 2023 2:51pm
Scooter

Why doesn’t the Governor General step in and sack this bunch of losers and criminals?
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July 24, 2023 10:25am
- gravedodger
  
  She, Bless her socks, is one of them.
  
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  July 24, 2023 10:48am
- Mike
  
  The governor-general has to act on the advice of ministers who are responsible to the elected house of representatives. The g-g’s ‘reserve powers’ are largely theoretical, and it would take a scarcely imaginable emergency for those powers to be exercised. Political turmoil only five weeks before an election is nowhere near such an emergency.
  
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  July 24, 2023 10:54am
  - cmm
    
    “The governor-general has to act on the advice of ministers…”
    
    In other words they are pointless theatre.
    
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    July 24, 2023 3:14pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    “The governor-general ~~has to act~~ generally acts on the advice of ministers who are responsible to the elected house of representatives.”
    
    Fixed. Gough Whitlam would have confirmed this.
    
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    July 24, 2023 6:18pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  She won’t have to. They will sack themselves in October.
  
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  July 24, 2023 11:00am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Mike is correct. The GG has no such powers.
  
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  July 24, 2023 11:49am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Mike isn’t right. The GG does have these powers, but their use is extremely infrequent.
    
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    July 24, 2023 6:19pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Because the GG is aligned with the Labour party ideologically?
  
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  July 24, 2023 1:55pm
Yvette

On the Newshub website –
Allan also returned a breath test over the legal alcohol limit but “at a level considered an infringement offence”, Hipkins said. As a result, charges were not laid in relation to that
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/07/kiri-allan-in-police-custody-after-crash-reports.html

– if this is not some sort of typo, and Kiri Allan had indeed returned a breath test over the legal alcohol limit, why was she not charged with that?

She’s obviously been under considerable pressure, but it is hard to fathom how she could have done this.– kiwiblog host David Farrar

“ how she could have done this.” – relieving distressed emotions by self-medicating with alcohol would be a simple explanation.

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Is it not: “It is what it is” – Jacinda Ardern
And we still have no definition of hate speech
Or is that also off the table until after the Election?
“You’ll know it when you see it” is still a bit inadequate, given the misinformation RNZ claims our democracy this Is about to be challenged with, rather than acknowledging the governments devicive and racist policies (exceptionalism of one ethnic group over all others) are a major problem.
Also : “It is what it is”?
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July 24, 2023 10:30am
The Veteran

What brain in Winston First decided to hire Mt Smart for their campaign launch only to have just 500 turn up with many of those delegates from the WF agm just concluded. Clearly yesterday’s man has lost his pulling power. NZL has seen thru the man who handed Labour’s the reigns of power leading to arguably the most incompetent government in the countries history. Contrast that with the 700 Luxon pulled in a speech given in Manurewa last week … deep in Labour party territory. There’s a mood shift happening out there and the Allan debacle can only add to that.
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July 24, 2023 10:40am
Maggie Pie

A lot of people asking if Kiri was on her phone at the time of the ackie?

That could be another 150 bucks and 20 demerit points.
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July 24, 2023 11:07am
- Ghost
  
  She could have been reporting a drunk driver…..
  
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  July 24, 2023 11:16am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    She was reporting that some nasty person had parked a gas guzzling Mazda ute on the side of the road.
    
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    July 24, 2023 12:33pm
    - wsk12345
      
      My mate got charged with careless use of a MV when he fell asleep at the wheel on the open road at midday one day (not after a late night or anything like that). This woman chose to drive drunk and gets the same charge. How???
      
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      July 24, 2023 6:25pm
NothingLeft

“arguably the most incompetent government in the countries history”

Nope, no longer arguable.
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July 24, 2023 11:07am
Maggie Pie

Absolute COMEDY GOLD 😀

A lot of people tweeting that Klaus Schwab’s father was ‘a high-ranking Nazi’. Now I’ve got no idea whether that’s true or not but this is sooo funny……

https://twitter.com/ScottyGoesAgain/status/1682506983998464004

[full screen/sound up]
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July 24, 2023 11:29am
Benedict Yu

Stuff cartoon reaches new low.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/109548012/emma-cook-cartoons
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July 24, 2023 11:46am
- Maggie Pie
  
  I’d never seen Emma Cook before. What BIG hands she’s got 🙁
  
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  July 24, 2023 12:02pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Bell, Cook and Murdoch are all paid shills not satirical cartoonists.
  
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  July 24, 2023 12:10pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  I wonder if they will have a Kiri Allan cartoon tomorrow?
  I’m looking forward to it.
  
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  July 24, 2023 12:31pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Stuff cartoon’s tomorrow will be an unintentionally funny whine about how Kiri’s crash is clearly that mean fascist Luxon’s fault.
    
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    July 24, 2023 2:29pm
  - cmm
    
    It will be about how some arsehole ute driver obstructed the road preventing Kiri’s clean green EV from getting through.
    
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    July 24, 2023 3:12pm
- Prince
  
  That’s not a cartoon. It’s an election advertisement.
  Stuff has decided to remove all pretence to be bi-partisan.
  Vote Green writ large now. And still 13 weeks to go !
  
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  July 24, 2023 2:23pm
Bobba Fret

This is all very exciting about Kiri Allan.
Anybody know which Labour MP it will be next week?
Is anyone taking bets?
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July 24, 2023 12:37pm
- H. Upmann
  
  Hipkins will be the next one to take stress leave. Poor bastard, I almost feel sorry for him.
  
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  July 24, 2023 1:21pm
  - mandk
    
    Resist the temptation to feel sorry for Hipkins.
    
    He was one of Ardern’s two closest fanboys and was instrumental in shaping and delivering her policies.
    
    He was useless in all his portfolios during her reign.
    
    And, since he was appointed PM, he has demonstrated that he is out of his depth.
    
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    July 24, 2023 2:00pm
    - Ghost
      
      Hipkins needs to accept responsibility for bringing her back into the job. She had mental health break, came back then had “child leave” after the bullying allegations and came back, she should not have been at work, should not have been the minister, should have been stood down until he was confident she was fit to do her job
      
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      July 24, 2023 2:06pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Only a few months to go before he can put his feet up for a while (hopefully). I hate his ideology but I give him credit for holding it together personally under seemingly immense stress.
    
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    July 24, 2023 3:23pm
Maggie Pie

Uh-oh. Neck tattoos! Neck tattoos!

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1683266989345701890
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July 24, 2023 12:42pm
- Ghost
  
  Someone said on the radio this morning one of them had an ankle bracelet on.
  
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  July 24, 2023 12:45pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YIP….it’s this guy.
    
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    July 24, 2023 12:59pm
Bobba Fret

I feel sorry for the poor bugger that owns the Mazda BT50 ute that Kiri Allan drove in to.
He can now probably not go to work, does he have to claim on his own insurance? (If Kiri was over the limit, she won’t be insured).
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July 24, 2023 12:45pm
- rangitoto
  
  Government insure themselves I thought.
  
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  July 24, 2023 1:21pm
  - Inandout
    
    rangi, only their buildings I presume. Even self insure precludes DiC.
    
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    July 24, 2023 3:31pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There is a lot of unseen damage there. Axle u-bolts sheared, spring locator sheared, Bent wheel rim? drive shaft universals? Brake hose?
  
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  July 24, 2023 1:22pm
  - kevn
    
    Bent chassis is likely… Must have been tramping to do that much damage to the structural part of the ute on impact. Imagine the Hyundai?
    
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    July 24, 2023 2:12pm
  - Lance
    
    Impact points are critical. A little bit of an extreme example but a truck backed into a 747, in Paris IIRC and created a small dent about the size of a softball. It had been in exactly the right spot to damage the rear pressure bulkhead. The aircraft had to have the entire section behind the cabin to the tail taken apart and needed a bulkhead air freighted in a massive cargo plane, with only the bulkhead inside.
    The repair was 10’s of millions of dollars.
    
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    July 24, 2023 4:40pm
  - kevn
    
    Looks from the aerial pics more like a ramming.
    
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    July 24, 2023 4:52pm
- Prince
  
  He ? Are you sure ? Rumour mill in Wgton suggests otherwise.
  
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  July 24, 2023 2:18pm
  - kevn
    
    Prince… Road rage/jilted? That type of thing?
    
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    July 24, 2023 4:15pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  He claims on his/her policy and the inc co then either goes to govt or sues KA.
  
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  July 24, 2023 3:02pm
Yvette

■ Matu Reid, 24, killed two people as he moved through the Commercial Bay precinct before hiding in an elevator shaft and engaging in a shootout with the police.t comes as questions continue to be asked about how the offender, on electronically-monitored bail, managed to get hold of a gun and fire it at his workplace.

■ A man who scaled the Ferry Building on Auckland’s waterfront has been named.
… He was on electronic bail at the time for previous offences and …

I know an autistic five year old child who wears a necklace which raises a computer alarm if it leaves the home section.
Does electronically-monitored bail not do the same?
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July 24, 2023 1:13pm
- Prince
  
  Not so much ‘wrap-around support’ as a borer-ridden old crutch on a bus stop three streets away.
  
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  July 24, 2023 2:17pm
- mandk
  
  I believe it would.
  
  However, the offender’s movements on the day would not have rung alarm bells because he was permitted to attend his place of work.
  
  But the question remains of whether he should have been required to be at home at all times.
  
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  July 24, 2023 2:52pm
- wsk12345
  
  Yup you should see me run when my dog breached the “geofence” around our property!
  
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  July 24, 2023 6:32pm
goNZ1

at least our popular mayor would never do that sort of thing….. hic!
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July 24, 2023 1:28pm
Maggie Pie

REMINDA….

Let’s not forget, that while one of “Auckland-City’s-finest” remains in hospital with serious gunshot wounds following his bravery in bringing down the criminal scum during the Viaduct shootout, the useless MP-for-Tijuana is taking a few Green dropkicks to the Barbie movie tonite to help fundraise for a Wealth-Tax.

https://twitter.com/RMarchNZ/status/1680349082693558272

To think we’re all paying this retard nearly 4 times as much as a Cop on the beat.
SHEESH!!
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July 24, 2023 1:44pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  About the IQ level of the average Green voter.
  
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  July 24, 2023 6:23pm
Blog-aholic

Graham Adams writes another excellent article on the destruction of democracy via 3 Waters legislation. Breaking views is where it can be found.
I quote:
‘The reason McAnulty doesn’t want to get into a fight, of course, is because he guesses he will get a badly bloodied nose. And like the Prime Minister, he also knows that if the vast majority of the public really understood how thoroughly they were being side-lined in Three Waters, Labour would be crushed in a wave of voters’ revulsion on October 14.’

And so right he is.
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July 24, 2023 3:00pm
Maggie Pie

Any word on WHO actually owned that black Ute?

Asling for a friend.
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July 24, 2023 3:16pm
mandk

I wonder if tomorrow we will get breathless stories on Stuff, Newshub and the NZ Herald, saying:

Kiri Allan sacking – How the world’s media reacted.
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July 24, 2023 3:30pm
- Ghost
  
  Oh no tomorrows headline will be list member Helen Clark has entered parliament and will be the new health, police, justice, environment children’s, correction, finance, housing, energy education, broadcasting, Māori minister.
  
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  July 24, 2023 3:47pm
  - Swifty
    
    Hahahahaha!
    
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    July 24, 2023 3:58pm
- mogg
  
  On reading this I felt very sorry for Kiri so the first thing I did was to forward the article to Th Daily Mail in London.
  
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  July 24, 2023 4:52pm
surfing

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/indonz/494193/indian-new-zealanders-lured-to-australia-by-better-opportunities

Indians are a pretty clever group and network together very well.

They’re also leaving NZ for Aus too. Of interest to me…

Singh agreed, saying his children were loving life in Australia.
Singh loves the fact his children are given homework on a regular basis these days.
“In all their school years in New Zealand, my boys never brought any school assignments home,” he said. “(In Australia), they come back from school, get some rest, finish their homework and then go out to play. I agree it shouldn’t be stressful for kids but, for us, the New Zealand way is too lax. Australia has found the optimum balance.”

This is quite true. If my kids are an typical then NZ students receive very little homework at High School (at least in yr 9/10). I question them, and they say they finish it all at school.

Every week we discuss how we’d like to move to Australia… we’d have to figure out a way though as kids in high school and one already at Uni. They’re all open to moving.
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July 24, 2023 3:44pm
- cmm
  
  HTF is a bit of homework stressful?
  
  If they are not introduced to the concept of homework then they’re in for a hell of a shock if they ever go to university.
  
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  July 24, 2023 4:30pm
Swifty

More murder and mayhem from, yet again, brown NZ men:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300934310/mt-roskill-homicide-trial-begins-for-trio-charged-with-murdering-young-barber

If brown NZ men stopped committing crime today, tomorrow NZ would be the most peaceful, safest country on earth.

Two can play at your game Marama.
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July 24, 2023 3:57pm
- cmm
  
  “If brown NZ men stopped committing crime today, tomorrow NZ would be the most peaceful, safest country on earth.”
  
  Don’t even have to stop. Just reduce it to white levels.
  
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  July 24, 2023 4:28pm
  - fernglas
    
    I supplied a link to Justice Dept. records of violent offending yesterday. Here it is again. This gives statistical context to the discussion.
    https://www.justice.govt.nz/justice-sector-policy/research-data/justice-statistics/data-tables/
    
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    July 24, 2023 6:06pm
Maggie Pie

I honestly thort it was time to bring Anna Lorck on to the Front Bench.

Oh well…Ginny it is then.
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July 24, 2023 4:07pm
- Littletramp
  
  Minister of Wayward Ministers?
  
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  July 24, 2023 4:15pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  I agree the front bench needs a good party out in the open, cant just have Anna in the back room… partying
  
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  July 24, 2023 9:21pm
Ghost

It’s not looking good. I’m hoping for the family that if they’ve killed her they can at least recover the body for the family

A car at the centre of the investigation into Yanfei Bao’s disappearance was parked across the drive of her accused kidnapper’s home for two hours with its boot and car doors open, two days after she was last seen

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July 24, 2023 4:15pm
Maggie Pie

OMG….who comes up with this stuff sooo quickly? 😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/Pete20221/status/1683284678214840320
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July 24, 2023 4:55pm
- Ghost
  
  I’m wondering if this election the media should show their respect before each debate and play a memorial to all the ministers the labour government has lost this year.
  
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  July 24, 2023 5:48pm
Ghost

A gut-wrenching read.

Our prime minister and new justice minister need to sit down with the families of crime and listen to their stories. They are so detached from the reality of what is happening in the country

The devastated mother of one of two men killed in a shooting in downtown Auckland has described the heartbreak at learning her eldest son was dead and revealed he was shot in the head.

Mena Sipiliano was told on Thursday evening that her eldest son – 44-year-old Tupuga Sipiliano, of Wattle Downs, South Auckland – had died in a shooting earlier that mornin

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July 24, 2023 6:04pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  They are so detached from the reality of what is happening in the country
  
  Indeed,
  
  It is all about them… our poor politicians and the stress they are under….
  
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  July 24, 2023 6:49pm
Maggie Pie

FULL VID from PALMY….

Honestly, you’d have thort she’d have at least showered and washed her hair before going to a public meeting 🙁
Looks to me like a case of ‘taking out the trash’…..

https://twitter.com/kelvin_morganNZ/status/1683019191828508675
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July 24, 2023 6:41pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Look at the jawline
  
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  July 24, 2023 8:50pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Perhaps it is all the fault of us… the East-coast voter…

Looks like we haven’t been looking after our MPs well enough:

* https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/05/meka-whaitiri-labour-appears-caught-off-guard-as-announcement-looms.html

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https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/489360/green-mp-elizabeth-kerekere-resigns-from-party

*
https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/24-07-2023/kiri-allan-resigns-what-you-need-to-know
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July 24, 2023 6:55pm
- Ghost
  
  Can I swap all three of them for Andrew Falloon 🙈
  
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  July 24, 2023 7:03pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Hmmmmmm – what do those three have in common, I asks myself
  
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  July 24, 2023 8:51pm
Sparrow

Recommend watching Argentina v Italy in Women’s World Cup on Channel 15. First half just finished. Very entertaining, skillful and it gets you away from the crap which is going on in NZ. Have not watched football for many years, very pleasantly surprised. Turn off Kiri Allan and watch the football.
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July 24, 2023 6:58pm
Ghost

This is just stupid. Mental health is important, and prime minister you are wrong, it was your job to make sure your minister was fit to return to work. Mental health should not disqualify someone from employment, but when someone has taken a mental health break then is accused of a toxic work environment it is your job to support that member and make sure they are fit to return to work

National leader Christopher Luxon said she shouldn’t have been at work.

“Personally, I would have wanted some reassurance from a clinician or from someone that actually the individual would be good to come back to work.”

Hipkins said he didn’t believe mental health should “disqualify someone from employment”.

Article

National leader Christopher Luxon’s also missed the mark by politicising this and saying people need clinical signoff to come back to work after mental health episodes.

Article
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July 24, 2023 6:59pm
- Ghost
  
  A member of the RNZ board has hit out at the reaction to Justice Minister Kiri Allan’s resignation, and questioned why she was cleared to return to work.
  
  Former journalist Jason Ake, who began his two-year term on the board at the start of this month, posted to Facebook that he didn’t “know why she [Allan] was cleared to return to mahi last week. All the signs were there”.
  
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  July 24, 2023 7:18pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Gee, for someone whose playing the male in a Lesbian relationship, Kiri sure is one hell of a soft cock.
  Weeks off because she broke up with her girlfriend?
  Some perspective please people.
  Given all the Bullying she has done her crying about mental health smacks of deflection
  
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  July 24, 2023 7:37pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Come on guys. Ghost is a good guy but near to blowing a gasket.

Let’s give the person some ‘free space’
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July 24, 2023 7:21pm
- Ghost
  
  Nowhere near it, relaxing listening to Billy Joel. I’ve only lost it once, and I beat the shit out of a brick wall that night.
  
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  July 24, 2023 7:30pm
  - newview
    
    Ghost. I sort of agree, Allan’s history is a huge red flag to Hipkins but Kiri herself has had the opportunity to stay out of sight. Not that many employers have the patience of government. Most employers would have you back pronto if you say you’re ok. There might also be pressure to do so. Kiri is bright enough to know she didn’t have to front so soon. I have mental health issues in my family so have some idea. This whole thing is unfortunate but laying it on Hipkins is a little rich. I’m a righty but also a human. Almost.
    
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    July 24, 2023 7:53pm
Scooter

Little did Chippy realise that when he took over from Jacinda his main job would be re-allocating ministerial portfolios.
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July 24, 2023 8:24pm
Keith White

From a professional perspective I have looked after many, many drunken drivers and their victims over decades and what I know is that it’s a certainty that when someone crashes drinking then driving it’s not their first rodeo.

I also find the bought-and-paid-for lack of MSM concern regarding the evil of drinking and driving in this specific case, to be enormously obvious; as well as extremely ‘light and soft’ compared to non-political people.

To state the sheerly obvious, if the government-funded EV had hit a pedestrian instead of a ute, there’d be a dead person. One of the reasons drinking and driving is so comprehensively vilified is because the consequences are so often lethal and not usually to the driver themselves.

It seems to me like the wagons have circled with the message “it’s all psychological! because you deplorable people put St Allan under such stress!!” rather than the message “she drank, she drove, she crashed, she is culpable” – which is the message that applies to any and all of us in her position.
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July 24, 2023 9:15pm
Ghost

Damn, good article

Dame Jacinda Ardern was perplexed, after quitting the Prime Minister’s job in January, when she was asked to write a book, which will probably be worth more to her than her five years as leader.…

Someone suggested to her she should write it about leadership and she liked the idea and that’s what we’re going to get in the bookstores some time in the future.

It should be compulsory reading for all aspiring MPs, essentially so they can avoid the sort of leadership she’ll be writing about. Her five years at the top were a disaster, showing how ill-equipped she was for the job.

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