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NeverMindTheBollocks

Sharknado!

“Experts say ‘cocaine sharks’ may be feasting on drugs dumped off Florida.

Erratic behavior observed in some sharks could be result of them ingesting bales of cocaine cast overboard by passing traffickers.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/22/cocaine-sharks-drugs-florida-coast
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July 23, 2023 8:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Have caught a few sharks here, out in the Rangitoto Channel. The way they behave you would think they are on drugs. A medium Mako is like a pit bull on steroids.
  
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  July 23, 2023 9:01am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Some random questions and answers.
  
  1. Can NZF get to 5%? Hopefully they will get to 4.9% and most of their support will be ex Labour voters.
  2. Do the Nats and ACT really want NZF as a partner? On past performance hell no.
  3. Can Luxon win the Leaders Debates? Hopefully as at least some of the Undecided will decide on who they think won.
  4. Will it be a close run thing? IMHO only a cigarette paper will separate the Left and Right.
  
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  July 23, 2023 9:13am
  - pdm
    
    Not sure on number 4 lastman.
    
    I think there is a huge swing away from Labour and the left in rural New Zealand.
    
    Will it continue to votes on the 14 October well we can only wait and hope. I think it will – National high 30’s, ACT 15 Labour just below 30, Greens 6, Maori 3 but maybe causing an overhang and NZF nudging 5 and possibly sneaking in. A lot of wasted votes to the plethora of small parties..
    
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    July 23, 2023 9:33am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Do we have a right? All left and more left to me
    
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    July 23, 2023 9:42am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Here we go, we do. It have a hard nosed right anymore, but of course there is right, because the left are so far left what else could there be. Hard left support has disappeared from the day the stupid MMP system was introduced, ACT are not even hard right, just possibly parties have worked out hard right is not a winner under mmp
      
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      July 23, 2023 10:49am
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      Depends on what kind of Right you’re looking for. We don’t have a Conservative party – the Nats are a neoliberal party with a sprinkling of conservatives who have almost no influence on policy, and ACT are classical liberals/right libertarians. We need a compassionate and intelligent Conservative party.
      
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      July 23, 2023 11:00am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I hope Peters gets 5% and drops to 4.9% after specials, it would be a wonderful send of to the old tusker
    
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    July 23, 2023 10:46am
    - Dodger
      
      Same here G.
      Hahaha
      
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      July 23, 2023 12:09pm
  - waikatosinger
    
    I wish people on the right would be a bit less precious.
    
    Democratic politics is a game of making the best available choice at the time. Throwing your vote away or refusing to vote because your preferred party isn’t perfect is a recipe for ending up with your least preferred party. It is the political equivalent of throwing your food on the floor or holding your breath because you didn’t get what you wanted. Some people just need to grow up!
    
    In 2017 a lot of people were sold the lie that “National is Labour Lite” and persuaded to vote for Winston to “Keep National Honest”. Some of you were pushing that ridiculous line back then. And some of you bought it. Remember? After six years of New Zealand’s WORST GOVERNMENT EVER, how did that all work out for you then?
    
    Now I see exactly the same rhetoric again. Don’t be idiots people, grow up. If you want to “teach National a lesson” vote for ACT or do something interesting with your electorate vote. But unless you want three more years of wrecking ball Hipkins for Goodness sake make sure that your party vote goes safely to either National or ACT so that we get a change of government.
    
    And don’t vote for bloody Winston or it’ll be 2017 all over again.
    
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    July 23, 2023 1:16pm
- sirknz
  
  Sequel to the movie Cocaine Bear perhaps…
  
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  July 23, 2023 9:14am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Enjoyed that movie!
    
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    July 23, 2023 11:57am
Bridgenag

Post-Covid Panic Idiocracy, or: The Phantom Lion of Kleinmachnow
How a dumb Twitter video cast a small town near Berlin into two days of ridiculous panic.

I liked this bit…..“Back in the Kleinmachnow red zone, meanwhile, police announced they would deploy their sole armoured vehicle, a Rheinmetall Survivor, in the hunt for the lurking lioness, who was at this point presumably considered armed.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/eugyppius/p/post-covid-panic-idiocracy-or-the?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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July 23, 2023 8:04am
- peterwn
  
  Armed to the teeth no doubt.
  
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  July 23, 2023 8:41am
Cassandra

Like Lazarus, the Old Charlatan has risen from the grave. With Casey Costello leaving Hobson’s Pledge to stand for NZF, making the 5% now looks likely. While I don’t trust Peters, I do trust Casey Costello – this time NZF will NOT go with Labour.
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July 23, 2023 8:04am
- Gravelroad
  
  Well Cassandra, history tells us that Mr Peters will do exactly what suits Mr Peters.
  I don’t believe for a moment that he will take any notice of Casey Costello, unless it meets his agenda.
  Ms Costello will have to fit in with what Peters wants, not the other way round – although I do agree that she might prove to be a very useful tool for him to use.
  
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  July 23, 2023 8:16am
  - Matt Long
    
    Gravel, how do you know this? Genuine question, I find it doubtful Peters has full say on what coalition partners are determined, he would be highly influential but surely a caucas vote would be the final determination?
    If there a bunch of Tracy Martins on the NZF list, what is to stop them going with the useless regressives again?
    
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    July 23, 2023 8:26am
    - Gravelroad
      
      @ Matt Long,
      You would be better off asking Cassandra (see above) why he/she asserts that “this time NZF will NOT go with Labour.”
      Why won’t it?
      Why would having Casey Costello (or anyone else) as a Winston 1st MP (as implied) make any difference at all as to who Peters may decide to install as the government – on a personal whim – on the day?
      He picked Ms Ardern in 2017 just because he could.
      
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      July 23, 2023 8:44am
      - Matt Long
        
        Just read this in the local paper.
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/election-2023-nz-firsts-winston-peters-on-biggest-threat-to-its-campaign/IJQSK2KGCFFCTGBZCER3VPE25I/
        
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        July 23, 2023 8:52am
      - Bridgenag
        
        The blokes at bowls reckon he has a good chance. Only one to speak out and support the freedom fighters. Until Act & the Nats slow down about “climate change” and have their heads stuck in the sand about the Covid debacle he could snatch up alot of the “fatigue” votes
        
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        July 23, 2023 9:04am
      - Cassandra
        
        At the Tauranga meeting Peters apologised: “I made a mistake”. Costello is anti Labour. Even Peters hasn’t the cheek to do it twice. So, on balance, on the evidence so far – Peters won’t go with Labour. I hope, anyway. You’re the expert, Gravel, apparently.
        
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        July 23, 2023 10:29am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Peter’s hasn’t got the cheek to do it twice?
        
        How many times has Peters promised to abolish the Maori seats? 10 times?
        
        And what has Winston ever actually achieved… nothing!
        
        And let’s not forget Winston’s lie he puapua was hidden from him when Winston knew the cabinet minutes would disprove the lie.
        
        I often lament the lack of Labour voter intellect but….
        
        NZ first voters are at the bottom of the non thinking voter pile.
        
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        July 23, 2023 1:34pm
      - waikatosinger
        
        Anyone who annoys Winston gets thrown off the waka. And then thrown out of parliament thanks to the waka jumping act which is what he got for selling us out in 2017.
        
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        July 23, 2023 3:03pm
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      On TV 1 and on Three news last night, Winston Peters was quite clear. He explicitly said he would not go with Labour. He was taking very favourably about National. The people in National about who he had his antagonisms have long left the political scene.
      
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      July 23, 2023 9:17am
      - Colville
        
        Winston knows Labour are going to get thumped and National is his only chance of relevance.
        National should rule him out now.
        Put that traitorous scum back in his box, nail it shut and label it with LOSER.
        
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        July 23, 2023 10:18am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        “National should rule him out now.”
        
        This is no time to be too picky. Whatever it takes to get the current toxic mess out, is the name of the game.
        
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        July 23, 2023 7:16pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    And Mr Peters holds the whip hand.
    Mr Peters did not give hundreds of thousands of dollars to NZ First. He made a loan to the Party of that substantial sum.
    Why the difference?
    If the party does do as he says he calls the loan for immediate repayment.
    It follows from the Public Interest Journalism Fund.
    Money was not given to various arms of the main stream media. It was loaned to them, in the form of a suspensory loan. If the borrowers continue to lick the haemorrhoids on the governing party the loan, and interest thereon, is written off. If the borrowers do not attend to that distasteful task the loan, and interest thereon, is repayable in full.
    
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    July 23, 2023 9:52am
- artemisia
  
  Separate prison/s for gang members – excellent idea. They can have mixed group sessions where they can get to know and understand each other, and celebrate their similarities. Or not.
  
  Well it’s one way to reduce the prison population and gang numbers.
  
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  July 23, 2023 8:17am
  - Paul Marsden
    
    Problem is, most of the prison population is made up of gang member’s already, so whats going to be different..??
    
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    July 23, 2023 1:18pm
- mandk
  
  Voters won’t forget that Peters’ last gift to the nation was the most ineffective, divisive and virtue signaling PM the country has ever had.
  
  He should not be trusted under any circumstances.
  
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  July 23, 2023 8:18am
  - mawm
    
    Voters won’t forget what Labour did with their covid response and that National and ACT supported it and will not man up and admit they were wrong, that people who were harmed need help and that a truly independent commission of inquiry has a look at all aspects of the response. If Wiston promises that he’ll get into parliament easily.
    
    Before anybody says that I’m a labour/NZ1st/ACT supporter out to destroy National and “hand the election” to Labour, I’m not. I’m a centre-right voter who believes in our God-given freedoms and I see neither ACT or National fighting for them.
    
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    July 23, 2023 12:22pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Pleased I never gave HP any money. If anyone did and is feeling annoyed they have funded the training of an NZF candidate, you have my sympathy. But organisations like that will always be a magnet for nutters.
  
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  July 23, 2023 8:27am
  - Cassandra
    
    Two seperate matters. She was a great HP spokesman and she’ll be good for NZF. I gave HP donations, I’d never give NZF a dime or a vote.
    
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    July 23, 2023 8:43am
  - Mike
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    These anti-Māori groups have come and gone in various forms. The ‘stop co-governance’ crowd is the current iteration. But, as you say, these groups attract mainly nutters so are inherently unstable.
    
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    July 23, 2023 8:58am
    - Matt Long
      
      So blessed to have your voice of sanity on this blogMike.
      
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      July 23, 2023 10:39am
    - Cassandra
      
      [Mod – debate without the personal abuse] If you think that Maori NZers should have special privileges then you should explain yourself.
      
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      July 23, 2023 10:50am
      - Mike
        
        How many people do you know who would wish to have been born Māori so that they could enjoy such ‘privileges’?
        
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        July 23, 2023 11:20am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      I didn’t realise HB were anti-Maori.
      I thought they were about pure equality in NZ society and no special consideration for ancestry – aka ‘rights and responsibilities of British Citizens’.
      
      Casey is Maori herself I believe” but probably the ‘wrong type’ or ‘Uncle Tom’.
      Lazy misrepresentation by KB’s own [Mod – unnecessary]
      
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      July 23, 2023 11:21am
    - Dave
      
      To what extent is Hobson’s Pledge an anti-Māori group made up of mainly nutters, to what extent a group defending a democracy built on individual and equal citizenship rights regardless of ancestry?
      
      If I take the writings (at least, the limited selection I’ve read) of its supporters at face value, it looks mostly the latter with occasional elements of the former.
      
      Edit: I see Fuzzy has made much the same point.
      
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      July 23, 2023 12:14pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Your premise is a lie Mike. You know it and we know it.
      
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      July 23, 2023 7:03pm
  - Rodney Hide
    
    Hi Nigel
    
    I say good on her. I want more good people in Parliament. I don’t care if they green or even National. I don’t see much difference in the parties. I see a big difference in the people standing.
    
    Casey is a good one.
    
    The more good people in Parliament the better.
    
    Best
    
    Rodney
    
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    July 23, 2023 9:04am
    - greybeard
      
      Good people in the wrong ( and dominant ) party is no good to the rest of us.
      
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      July 23, 2023 9:20am
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        “Good people in the wrong party”
        
        What choice does Costello have? Do you seriously think the Nats would accept her as a candidate?
        
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        July 23, 2023 11:04am
      - greybeard
        
        To Pope P above: I was making a generalisation, not referring specifically to Costello
        
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        July 23, 2023 11:54am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Rodney – well said. If any of the other big parties had the fortitude to do the right thing then I imagine Casey would have went there as she would have a better chance of getting a seat.
      
      Sadly, currently none of our big parties will even acknowledge the harms that were done to many thousands of NZ citizens and National’s response to the rampant racism tearing the country apart is weak as water. Act are addressing the racial issue quite well, but Seymour is in total denial regarding the harms of covid responses and the experimental vaccines.
      
      The issues are very clear to many people, pretending they aren’t real or wishing them away isn’t going to happen anytime soon. The longer it takes to address these issue the harder the resolution will be.
      
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      July 23, 2023 10:23am
      - Flossie
        
        Serious question then. Who should you vote for if there’s at least one thing you don’t agree with in each lot’s manifesto?
        
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        July 23, 2023 12:08pm
      - Bridgenag
        
        The blokes at bowls will vote for Winnie the poo
        
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        July 23, 2023 12:55pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Flossie – the two biggest and most serious events in NZ over the last 3 years have been the covid response and the racist policies being implemented.
        Everything else pales into insignificance.
        
        I’ll vote for whoever acknowledges this.
        
        So far, National and Act have decided to pretend covid, and the associated abuses of human rights and destruction of lives didn’t happen.
        If either party could grow a spine, acknowledge the abuse and say they will make sure nothing like it happens again, they’ll get my vote.
        
        Act seem to be addressing the racial insanity. National not so much.
        
        If these two issues aren’t addressed, everything else is tinkering around the edges.
        If nobody addresses these two issues then I will abstain from voting as it would mean no politician or political party represents me.
        
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        July 24, 2023 8:47am
    - Piniwi
      
      On which hand would you count the good people in Government as opposed to Parliament in general?
      
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      July 23, 2023 1:14pm
  - Nukuleka
    
    Nigel Kearney: Casey Costello has the right to stand for whatever political party she wishes. As a member of Hobson’s Pledge- and I dont think I’m any more a ‘nutter’ than anyone else who is an enthusiast for democracy – I have never witnessed any politicizing in favour of NZF, in fact I’d have thought Casey was more aligned to ACT. Her decision took me quite by surprise. Hobson’s Pledge has been, and will continue to be, a voice for reason in NZ.
    
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    July 23, 2023 9:17am
    - pdm
      
      ` I’d have thought Casey was more aligned to ACT. Her decision took me quite by surprise. ‘
      
      Me too Nuku.
      
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      July 23, 2023 9:41am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Nigel Kearney – way to go! How to attract voters to National/Act, abuse them and call them nutters. That nasty smear and vitriol worked so well during covid didn’t it?
    
    Don’t bother addressing the very valid concerns of those potential voters concerned about extremist racial and medical policies in NZ and the associated abuses of human rights.
    
    No, just get pissy and abuse anyone who dares not toe your party line. Sounds very like Ardern to me.
    
    I just read the letter from Casey Costello explaining the reason why she is leaving and running as a NZF candidate.
    
    Unlike the mealy mouthed, apologist dribble from National re racial policy in NZ and the complete refusal to even admit their were serious breaches of human rights and abuse of citizens during covid, she speaks clearly and actually addresses the very dangerous racist direction NZ is heading in.
    I’ve said before, National and Act are leaving glaring policy gaps that Peters will exploit. Many people are exasperated at the blatant and cowardly lack of acknowledgment of the harms done during covid, fully endorsed by National and Act.
    Their response to the dangerous racist policies being forced down our throats is at best, weak.
    
    NZF and Peters have raised the issue of concerns re vaccine injuries. The first to even acknowledge that there is a problem. If they go a little further and speak to the many thousands of disaffected who were harmed by malignant covid policies, they will garner plenty more support and will cruise over the 5% needed.
    
    So, if and when that happens, complain all you want about the ‘injustice’ of it all and how ‘unfair’ it all is. You’ll get the same response from those voters as you gave to them when they complained about real injustice and unfairness forced on them by a tyrannical government. Particularly health and racial issues.
    
    Get over it, move on.
    
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    July 23, 2023 10:20am
    - kiwikidsnz
      
      KBs seem to have a strong blindspot when it comes to acknowledging that NZs blatant racist separatism policies were commenced by both Labour & National decades ago (1990s) and the last 3 years He Puapua implementation excesses were directly facilitated by Jojn Keys secret commission to Shayne Jones to sign UNDRIP & their Co-Governance/Co-Government Trojan horse Chris Finlayson.
      
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      July 23, 2023 10:38am
      - Cassandra
        
        Actually Maori Party, not Jones.
        
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        July 23, 2023 10:52am
      - Matt Long
        
        Pita Sharples
        
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        July 23, 2023 11:39am
- Mike H S
  
  I respect Casey very much and wish her well but NZ First will never get my vote while W Peters is there.
  
  It could be that this is succession planning as Casey would be a far better leader than Winston but I don’t think that Winston’s ego would allow him to consider anyone other than himself to be in control.
  
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  July 23, 2023 8:30am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    At some point Winston will move on. He isn’t getting any younger. He will move on or be moved on. It’s the nature of politics.
    
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    July 23, 2023 10:28am
    - waikatosinger
      
      Winston is 78. Time to go join the “blokes at bowls” who seem to like him so much.
      
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      July 23, 2023 2:42pm
  - Dougal10
    
    I totally agree re Peters he needs to step aside and make his party creation into a real political party , not just whinston first . We do need a party like NZ1 in the middle for the soft left and right voters to go to when dissatisfied with their party of choice. If someone like NZ1 doesn’t exist it gives air to the greens .
    
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    July 23, 2023 2:53pm
- Prince
  
  Peters/Jones will go with whoever offers them the most money and power.
  That will certainly be Labour. Debt is no problem to them.
  
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  July 23, 2023 8:44am
- peterwn
  
  Well, Cameron Slater and others said that Winston would not go with Labour in 2017 and he went with Labour who was the higher bidder. It would be the same this time round, Labour is far more likely than National to bid recklessly meaning that Winston is far more likely to go with Labour than National (assuming he holds the balance of power). So a vote for Winston is effectively a vote for Labour. Also with respect to NZF, Winston makes sure he continues to hold the Ace of Spades and all the trumps. If you do not like National, then vote ACT, voting for anyone else is a vote for Labour.
  
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  July 23, 2023 8:52am
- Dougal23
  
  If he were kingmaker on election night, Winston First would have two choices. He could go Labour lead by Chris. Or the other Labour with the other Chris in charge. What is in it for Winston?
  
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  July 23, 2023 10:15am
  - pdm
    
    Dougal.
    
    A new set of baubles.
    
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    July 23, 2023 11:15am
- Grunter
  
  I was go smacked when I got the email saying Casey was moving to NZF. She is way too good for that sham outfit. Peter’s is the reason we have had 6 years of utter shambles. He is a narcissist and can never be trusted.
  
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  July 23, 2023 10:18am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    “He is a narcissist and can never be trusted”.
    
    Can you think of any recent NZ political leaders of whom that could NOT be said?
    
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    July 23, 2023 1:40pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Bill English
      
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      July 23, 2023 2:55pm
- Allan
  
  I think that getting Casey Costello and Dr Michelle Warren on board is a game changer for NZ First and they will get over the 5% threshold as a result. Whether National and Act can gain enough to not require NZ First in a coalition is another interesting aspect of the upcoming election. The main aim of the game however is to get rid of the numpties who are pretending to govern at present.
  
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  July 23, 2023 10:27am
- rouppe
  
  I got an email from her announcing it.
  
  I replied, saying that Winston chose Ardern for no other reason than spite, and that decision has lead directly to this situation.
  
  That, I told her, is unforgivable
  
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  July 23, 2023 10:41am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Exactly, and the pathetic excuse from Peters theg he lost in 2020 is as weak as piss, if his hated of English had not put Labour in and put Nats in, then Nats would have gained the landslide victory, people should remember what this bastard did
    
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    July 23, 2023 10:58am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Well if you like her, then you are happy to have Peters back shafting the nation again, Peters works on hatred, and he hates Seymour, if NZF get in it changes the whole dynamic of the vote, it means Nats snd Acts seats will be watered down, and he has stated they would profit on the cross benches, just how much damage do you think he could do from there. F….. WRP
  
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  July 23, 2023 10:54am
- Tony Stuart
  
  When Deputy PM, Winston Peters sat around the Cabinet table when decisions were made to reduce the prison population by 30%. He was bound by Cabinet collective responsibility them, and he cannot publicly walk away from policies that could not have been adopted without NZ First’s support.
  
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  July 23, 2023 10:59am
- lemuzz
  
  I agree Cass. He will not go with Labour. But he will take the more right wing Labour voters who will not go with National anyway. This will reduce the labour vote, and strengthen NZ First , which cannot help but to strengthen Nat/Act
  
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  July 23, 2023 1:24pm
- Observer of Life
  
  Cassandra: Remember, Winston is the sole arbiter of any decisions made in the NZ First party. Casey Costello has always come across as an intelligent and sensible woman, but what she wants or believes will not make a jot of difference to Winston the Narcissist. I was shocked to read she’s putting her name in the NZF hat. I thought she’d be more ACT candidate material. Im really disappointed. We need someone in parliament like her, but not via Winston First.
  
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  July 23, 2023 8:30pm
greybeard

I don’t understand Sharon Murdoch’s “Stuff” cartoon this morning: no matter how hard I try I cannot find anything denigrating the National Party or Luxon.
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July 23, 2023 8:06am
- mandk
  
  But there’s a subliminal message.
  
  The boots are red and each has a fern. So we are supposed to infer that the goal was thanks to Labour.
  
  In the net for you.
  
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  July 23, 2023 8:26am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s part of the distractor strategy…
  
  Panem et circenses
  
  Get folks focused on sport and their attention will be diverted from the political foul-ups that are unfolding.
  
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  July 23, 2023 8:26am
  - Mike
    
    Yes, the FIFA world cup is part of an elaborate socialist plot to deceive the voters.
    
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    July 23, 2023 9:01am
    - Che Guava
      
      We live in a capitalist society, so why would socialists be deceiving us? Deception and distraction are universal methods for the maintenance of a status quo, and are completely independent of the nature of that status quo. Distraction and deception are needed when a system is failing, be it Roman imperialism, Soviet communism, or liberal democratic capitalism. While it is common practice among KB commenters, we needn’t invoke the phantom of “socialism” to explain what is right in front of our faces, which is end-stage capitalism. “Socialism is the real threat” is itself a distraction from reality.
      
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      July 23, 2023 10:29am
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        Well said CG. Let’s not let our ideological blinkers get in the way.
        
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        July 23, 2023 11:08am
      - slijmbal
        
        Being pedantic we live in a hybrid capitalist\socialist society. Pure capitalism would not have Government supplied services such as roads, education, health system, dole etc. We obviously have a significant element of capitalism courtesy of rule of law, differential pay etc. The question is always about which elements of socialism are sensible, realistic and fair.
        
        It’s clear NZ has been heading leftwards at a rate of knots for decades now to its overall detriment.
        
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        July 23, 2023 12:49pm
      - waikatosinger
        
        The word “capitalism” was coined by Marx. Using it forces you to think in his box. Why would you want to do that? Nobody is marching around demanding the right to a particular corporate structure. What I support is freedom, including the freedom to spend what I earn as I see fit.
        
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        July 23, 2023 2:56pm
    - Che Guava
      
      All team sports are inherently socialistic. No individuality, you see. Too much “greater good” stuff, and we all know that there is no such thing as “society.” You even get tribalism in the form of team loyalty (tribe colours and regalia, sometimes derogatory chants directed at opposing tribes etc.) There’s a great irony in collectivism being mass-marketed to otherwise largely unconnected individuals with little authentic sense of a collective good. Its appeal almost gives the lie to the constructed myth of the individual so necessary as a basis of liberal democracies. Don’t FIFA world cups undermine the idea of an undifferentiated human equality?
      
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      July 23, 2023 10:44am
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        Satire this time CG?
        
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        July 23, 2023 11:09am
      - Mike
        
        Pope Punctilious II
        I think he’s verging on self-satire this time. He’s heavily into the right ‘tribal’ groups when it suits him. For all his worship of the individual (male) heroic leader, he knows that such a leader needs to lead a gang, army, volk or some such socialistic ‘team’ to bring about the resurgence of traditional conservatism.
        
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        July 23, 2023 11:27am
    - Dougal10
      
      Well cindy did fly back in for labour photo opp with the girls . So yes it is being used for political purposes . That rules me out of any interest in it after seeing it on the news.
      
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      July 23, 2023 2:59pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  I can only see the one for 21 July not today’s. Do you have a link, please?
  
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  July 23, 2023 8:38am
  - greybeard
    
    Just go to Stuff homepage
    
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    July 23, 2023 9:22am
- Prince
  
  There’s a Labour-style ‘L’ on the boot.
  
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  July 23, 2023 8:46am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    L for loser
    
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    July 23, 2023 10:59am
- Souvlaki
  
  ….its really because the slush fund has run out….
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300932677/public-interest-journalism-fund-closes?cid=app-android
  
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  July 23, 2023 9:50am
Toes on the nose

Hawkes Bay last weekend to see Bic Runga. Amazing. Hundreds of Katie Nimon billboards. Zero Labour signage. 1000s of potholes between Napier and Gisborne. The railway looks doomed …they look to be fixing it at Clive-but ruined from Napier to Wairoa.. 100s of slips.
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July 23, 2023 8:30am
- Colville
  
  There are a few for some bearded wimpy looking school teacher type standing behind a ginger haired school boy. It’s a strange message.
  
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  July 23, 2023 10:22am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Nats refused to rebuild Gisborne to Wairoa, I guess it’s the same line as Napier, the second time it was washed out they refused to fix it, what did Labour sod? That’s right, fix it at great expense for just one customer.
  
  I think Katie Nimon will piss in, has Labour not even got a candidate yet?
  
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  July 23, 2023 11:03am
  - gravedodger
    
    Yep yip
    He is leadership consultant and former clinical psychologist Mark Hutchinson,
    
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    July 23, 2023 3:48pm
Matt Long

The government continues to acres up immigration settings, finally letting in construction workers as the sector collapses and sheds workers.
Fortunately they’ve made the process more bureaucratic and less workable for everyone.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/494255/it-s-too-much-of-a-trade-off-call-to-scrap-accredited-employer-work-visa-scheme
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July 23, 2023 8:33am
- Scott
  
  I’d like to see a new National government adopt a more rational immigration policy. We do need some immigrants. However since 2000 we have had mass immigration. Our country went from 3.8 million people to 5 million people in 20 years. That has had a negative impact on housing and we still haven’t caught up with housing. That has had a negative impact on infrastructure. And anyone who goes to places like Auckland notes that congestion has got worse and worse.
  
  Housing has got worse. We have people living in cars even here in Masterton. We have people that have lived in motels for the last two or three years. I would like to see National open up the market for rental accommodation. I would like to see them remove most of the regulations so that landlords can rent out affordable basic homes to basic tenants. There needs to be very basic accommodation for people at the end of the line.
  
  So an end to mass immigration, immigration based on need and cutting out most of the burdensome regulations on landlords and allow the housing market to be free. This will enable the market to house even basic tenants that need cheap very basic accommodation.
  
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  July 23, 2023 8:51am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    How would you implement “immigration based on need”? Governments have a pretty poor track record in determining what a “need” is.
    
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    July 23, 2023 10:04am
  - Che Guava
    
    National want more immigration because they are the Big Business party and infinite growth of the economy is necessary for Big Business (even though it’s necessarily impossible), while Labour like mass immigration because they hate White people and want to see them eclipsed.
    
    Radically changing the social fabric and the demographics is one of the most fundamental things a government can do, and both stripes are committed to doing it. This is one reason why I’m not hanging my hopes on a National government making any difference to anything, because I have no reason to think they will. Look at their track record for the last 30 years.
    
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    July 23, 2023 10:10am
    - Simon
      
      National are neolib globalists. Mass immigration is part of their ideology.
      
      Govt.borg.nz also feeds well off mass immigration and has grown in an expansive manner on the back of huge numbers that have arrived.
      
      One aspect of mass immigration is that NZ can generally no longer get people from the first world to move here. The vast bulk are from third world shitholes. But that suits those Wellington turds.
      
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      July 23, 2023 10:36am
      - Che Guava
        
        The more the third world comes to the first world, the more the first world resembles the third world as a consequence. The biggest opponents to more immigration should be immigrants themselves.
        
        If, for example, I’m an Indian coming to New Zealand, presumably I’m coming here because it’s not like India. But when the rest of India comes here, you’ve got India in the South Pacific. At some point, everywhere is the same and, ironically, you have no diversity. Diversity actually entails exclusivity, so to be inclusive is to undercut diversity.
        
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        July 23, 2023 10:54am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Sadly we need highly qualified immigrants, we need teachers we need nurses and doctors, and then we need fruit pickers and farm hands, our need crosses every sector of the work force, the problem has been Labour trying to decide which type of worker we need
    
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    July 23, 2023 11:07am
- Che Guava
  
  The capitalism so many commenters are dogmatically committed to requires never ending immigration in order to keep wages down, profits and house prices up and to maintain discretionary consumption. Then they scratch their heads and wonder why the country increasingly disintegrates as a consequence of the ideology they hold so dear. Many seem to seriously think that “socialism” is the real threat.
  
  (As a disclaimer, I think the best economic system is the one that works best. I’m not wedded to any particular doctrine. However, having assessed the empirical evidence and understanding the logic of capitalism, I clearly appreciate that capitalism, while initially a generally positive system, is showing all the signs of collapse and is therefore increasingly maintained by propaganda in an attempt to hide and distract from its inherent faults and necessary consequences, in exactly the same way the communism once was).
  
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  July 23, 2023 10:02am
  - plc
    
    One is focused on division of the pie, the other on making the pie bigger.
    
    I know where I prefer the focus.
    
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    July 23, 2023 10:30am
  - Matt Long
    
    Che Fu, I think you’re confusing capitalism with crony capitalism distorted by managerialist government.
    
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    July 23, 2023 10:32am
Scooter

The outcome for the missing Real Estate lady in Christchurch sadly isn’t looking good. The stand up the Det. Inspector Nicola Reeves did a few days ago was impressive, she was compassionate, calm, spoke well, obviously had more evidence but couldn’t say. Can’t remember the case but there was one cop not so long ago who could barely string a sentence together.
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July 23, 2023 8:49am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Totally agree. She was articulate in her answers. No word salad. So rare these days.
  
  The police have search warrants for a couple of houses. As I said yesterday, finding her cellphone on the side of the motorway waw a very bad sign. ☹️
  
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  July 23, 2023 9:56am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The CCTV photos of her walking down the street in boots in one clip and barefeet (socks) in another are disturbing…and must have alerted Cops that something was amiss.
    
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    July 23, 2023 10:00am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Images in this link
      
      https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/07/20/concerns-for-missing-christchurch-real-estate-agent/
      
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      July 23, 2023 10:03am
      - Philview
        
        A confusing range of photos isn’t helpful by the media. An attractive young woman in the top photo when in reality she now appears to be a much older lady per shot on the day she went missing.
        
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        July 23, 2023 11:08am
    - Scooter
      
      Maggy, the Detective answered that, it was a video from her home in the morning to show the clothes she was wearing that day, she was going out to her car, nothing suspect. Good work by her.
      
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      July 23, 2023 10:10am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Txs
        
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        July 23, 2023 10:30am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      [Mod – please have respect for her and her family and don’t post what you think has happened to her]
      
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      July 23, 2023 11:16am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Two people are “helping the Police with their inquiries” after the execution of search warrants in Bryndwyr and Wigram. A car was also seized for checking.
    
    It sounds ominous for Miss Bao, but it also sounds as though the Police are following a very strong line of inquiry, so well done to them.
    
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    July 23, 2023 11:04am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Can you imagine Hipkins crying attempting to swindle voters again next week?
  
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  July 23, 2023 11:11am
KKKKatee

Found on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/p/CvAz3FnyY94/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
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July 23, 2023 8:50am
Chuck Bird

Special K will be on Q + A this morning. I bet Tame goes easy on him.
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July 23, 2023 8:59am
- hullkiwi
  
  He was, by contrast to his interview with Reti.
  
  The second interview, he couldn’t resist attempted gotchas or interrupting Reti.
  
  That said Special K was at his classic worst. He was attempting to blame the previous National government for the rise in violent crime. This we were told because of the number of violent criminals in jail before 2017, who are now free. What he was not pressed on, was the fact that he and his colleagues was that they repealed the 3 Strikes law, which will be put back by a National/Act government.
  
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  July 23, 2023 10:10am
  - Lance
    
    That attempted gothca on Reti was one of the most shameful things I have ever seen on TV. Seriously, it was beneath contempt.
    The slimly little shit Tame was trying to confer that a REGISTERED St Johns observer and highly qualified doctor joining an ambulance crew implies lack of informed consent. FFS, the said he was able to add opinion to ECGs etc.
    So doctors have no place in an ambulance?????
    
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    July 23, 2023 11:21am
    - Flossie
      
      He can’t be serious? I had to be sent to hospital by ambulance and I was not asked if I consented to either or both of the paramedics taking me (great young ladies btw). I was attached to an ECG machine and would have been extra pleased had a registered GP been present as well. Talk about clutching at straws Tame.
      
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      July 23, 2023 12:16pm
Nickc2

If anyone’s interested in watching SailGP today and/or tomorrow, it’s on Channel 3+
https://www.threenow.co.nz/live-tv-guide/three-sport
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July 23, 2023 9:04am
Maggy Wassilieff

Our Dear ex-PM had squirrelled away $15M to help a private developer…and a Green MP rejoices….

https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/23-07-2023/this-is-recycling-at-a-mass-scale-aucklands-st-james-theatre-thrown-a-lifeline
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July 23, 2023 9:11am
- sirknz
  
  But they keep telling us that investors and developers are evil…
  
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  July 23, 2023 9:17am
- Matt Long
  
  30 million in taxpayer’s and rate payer’s funds, what an excellent investment.
  
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  July 23, 2023 9:23am
  - pdm
    
    Matt I get the impression it is privately owned.
    
    Am I right?
    
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    July 23, 2023 9:44am
    - snowy
      
      Correct
      
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      July 23, 2023 9:54am
- greybeard
  
  Timing is everything, Maggy.
  
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  July 23, 2023 9:23am
- GazzaW
  
  The owner of the St James expressed his huge delight on the TV news last night. Why am I not surprised?
  
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  July 23, 2023 9:50am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Looking at the pictures of the theatre on TV last night it will cost a damn sight more than 30 million to restore.
  
  Then there have to be enough events there to pay for that plus the running costs.
  
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  July 23, 2023 10:09am
  - Matt Long
    
    That’s what rate payer subsidies are for, if you’ve “invested” 30 million out of private pockets in someone’s venture, you’re obliged to keep dipping to keep that initial ” investment” from going to waste.
    
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    July 23, 2023 10:28am
- david
  
  Can someone please explain how you “squirrel away” $15mill in a way that escapes the standard reporting systems and is not raided. It smacks of a big hole in the system somewhere.
  How many other funds are “squirreled away”?
  How many tax dollars have been “squirreled away”?
  How do we know they will ever came back from their squirrelling.
  There are:
  Lies in the reporting systems or
  non-reported bank accounts or
  A bloody big mattress somewhere on the 9th floor
  
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  July 23, 2023 10:54am
- nathie
  
  ” Green MP rejoices….”
  
  Well on 3News last night (didn’t see one ewes) Chloe either lept up to hug the towering Carmel Sepuloni, or maybe stood on a box to almost be level with her … c’mon reporters let the cat out of the bag of this “staged act”!
  
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  July 23, 2023 12:53pm
Nickc2

Quote of the Week
Without a doubt, this has to be the quote of the week.
Kelvin Savis just announced on Q+A that “What’s good for Maori is good for Non-Maori”.
So why the need for:
* He Pua Pua,
* Maori Heath Authority,
* Maori priority on the Surgical List, and
* Maori Language promotion.
to name a few.
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July 23, 2023 9:26am
- emmess
  
  Oh great, I am so happy to know that discrimination against me is in my best interests.
  
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  July 23, 2023 10:15am
Jack5

Anyone in the Ilam electorate wondering whether National might lose it again?

We are just 83 days from the election, and the Labour MP who beat the favourite, Gerry Brownlee, last time has re-emerged from Nowhere Land. Scarcely heard from since the 2020 election, her picture is now everywhere around the electorate – on trailers, in suburban papers.

Same with Raf Manji, the Opportunities Party candidate. Manji is a former City Councillor and is well known to electorate voters. A vote for Maji likely helps the Labour incumbent.

Have electorate voters heard from National’s candidate, Hamish Campbell, since a circular spelling out his background? That was a few weeks ago.

Campbell, a medical researcher, ought to be an ideal candidate, given the collapse of the health system under Labour.

Perhaps National’s organisers are planning a late campaign, with a visit from Shane Reti to bolster Campbell in a blitz on Labour’s health performance.

Perhaps National organisers plan to set the campaign alight by taking south an MP like Simeon Brown to drop a match on fuming anti-Woke frustration – or Melissa Lee to hammer Labour’s media bribery and its resultant bias.

In the 2020 election, Campbell stood in Wigram against Megan Woods. The result: Woods 24,186 votes, Campbell 9,416. Party vote: National [Labour] 54.6 per cent, National 21.3 per cent.

In 2020 in the Ilam electorate, Labour’s 2023 candidate, Sarah Pallett, won the electorate seat with 19,825 votes.

Gerry Brownlee, whose campaign was more subdued than in previous elections, won 16,362 votes.

Labour took 44.7 per cent of the Ilam party votes, and National 29.5 per cent.

It shouldn’t be too hard for Winston Peters to boost the party votes he takes in Ilam. In 2020, NZ First took just 769 of the electorate’s 43,645 party votes.
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July 23, 2023 9:34am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Hamish Campbell is doing the hard yards with old-school campaigning. He is one of the top National candidates in terms of doors knocked on and people engaged. Signs and newspaper advertisements don’t win votes, but conversations with voters on their doorsteps do; just ask David Seymour.
  
  There’s no substitute for personal engagement, and Campbell is doing an outstanding job of that. I predict he will win comfortably, with Raf in second place, and the dreadful Sarah Pallet, the “accidental MP” a distant third.
  
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  July 23, 2023 11:10am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, and I roils say Raj will take votes from Labour, why roils people on the right toss their vote away?
    
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    July 23, 2023 11:29am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Pallet and ex baby deliverer could not tell us if men could get pregnant, I have heard Campbell has done a huge amount of door knocking, I s as m sure he will hit the ground running as far as billboards go
  
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  July 23, 2023 11:27am
Srikaya

Takapuna Grammar teaches Year 12 Health students to question their heterosexuality using the ‘Heterosexual Questionnaire’.
https://twitter.com/investigatemag/status/1682286015728476161

Verified via email from parent of student at Takapuna Grammar School
https://twitter.com/siriuslysirian/status/1682493440511336450?s=20

Also this parent
https://twitter.com/kirsten_au53803/status/1682372896759623680?s=20

Some call this the first step of grooming.

“The PhD behind the most recent iteration of these questions liked to challenge heteronormative bias, which is another way of saying “screw with kids heads” using Hegelian dialectic tactics”
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July 23, 2023 9:41am
- Che Guava
  
  It’s OK. Remember that they are just consenting adults who should be free to do as they wish in the privacy of their own homes. Only a bigot could oppose this idea. Nothing to worry about at all.
  
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  July 23, 2023 10:14am
  - Srikaya
    
    I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic.
    
    What long term research shows that widespread sexual diversity is better for wellbeing? There’s no longitudinal data, only political slogans and anecdotes. This is literally ‘f- around, find out’.
    
    However a heterosexual family has been the building block of society for 1000s of years. There’s lots of data to indicate that kids with intact father-mother families do so much better in wellbeing and economic prosperity – we’ve certainly documented the social damage of fatherlessness on families and kids.
    
    The burden of proof is on the Ministry of Education to show that questioning heterosexuality is better for children and society in general.
    
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    July 23, 2023 10:46am
    - Che Guava
      
      Homosexuality is not only biologically wrong, it’s morally wrong. But it is the act that is the problem, less so the people who engage in it. People may have the urge to do all sorts of things, but that doesn’t mean they should or that we should signal that it is OK. Lack of moral clarity has lead to complete capitulation across a wide spectrum.
      
      There is such a thing as a slippery slope, which is why liberalising attitudes to homosexuality has led to gay teachers propagandising children. You cannot accept the first and then be shocked when the logical consequences inevitably arise. The place to draw a line is at the beginning, not halfway down the track when its too late.
      
      The left have been only too happy to impose their morality whether we like it or not for decades, whereas the right seem to think that imposing morality is itself immoral.
      
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      July 23, 2023 11:04am
      - Swifty
        
        How would you prevent homosexual acts from occurring, and what would you do to those who commit them?
        
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        July 23, 2023 12:13pm
      - Colville
        
        Che.
        Biologically wrong? morally wrong??
        Why??
        If a couple of consenting adults want to play around together where is the harm? they are happy, no unwanted kids are born and the world goes on another day.
        You are really going to need to explain why someone shouldnt be allowed to feel loved because of your fucked up beliefs.
        
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        July 23, 2023 12:17pm
      - Che Guava
        
        Colville
        Equally, I consider your (apparent) beliefs to be “fucked up beliefs.” So there’s that. Which is the more “fucked up belief”: that sex is between men and women, or that it also includes two men penetrating each others’ anuses? I’ll let the jury decide that one.
        
        The kinds of diseases that are coincident with the act of sodomy alone are are strong indication that it is an unnatural act. It isn’t sex because it isn’t potentially procreative, it is a poor substitute for the actual thing, which is a man and a woman having sex. If everyone was gay, then we’d die out in a generation, so it’s hard to argue that it isn’t a maladaptive behaviour.
        
        I believe in a teleological view of the world – in other words, a cup is for attaining the end of containing water, and an anus is for the end of excreting human waste. It isn’t a sex organ, anymore than a knot in a tree is, even though it is possible to place a penis in both.
        
        In a sane world, which used to be the case, we’d accept that some people will unfortunately have urges that are in conflict with the dictates of nature, and therefore that they’d act to satisfy those urges. But that doesn’t entail that social acceptance of that behaviour should follow.
        
        As I argued, if we signal acceptance of homosexuality as such, it is a short progression and inevitable progression to the next thing we are expected to accept, for instance drag queens or gay teachers grooming kids for which the motivation is obvious. This is empirically verifiable too, it isn’t speculation.
        
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        July 23, 2023 12:51pm
      - Che Guava
        
        Swifty
        I accept that there will always be people engaging in deviant sexual behaviour, because they always have done. Just because people act in a certain way, doesn’t mean we should endorse it. Some people drink themselves to a stupor every night, but is that something we should endorse? I wouldn’t have thought so.
        
        What I would do is nothing – simply accept that gays exist, but leave it at that. Ignore them and certainly don’t validate them or their behaviour. It should be signalled and inculcated that it is wrong, because it is. No Pride months, no rainbow ticks, none of that. Be gay, but don’t expect me to think that it’s in any way normal.
        
        They should be ashamed of themselves, and I think that they are if they are honest. But it takes effort to become moral, and they can do it too. As I said, the behaviour is the issue, not the person as such. Like so much errant behaviour, I think it is mostly a symptom of dysfunction and early life trauma.
        
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        July 23, 2023 1:01pm
      - Srikaya
        
        Coalville.
        
        Hookup culture is incredibly mentally damaging. Orgasm releases tons of oxytocin, a hormone that bonds you to your partner. It’s a bond that can sustain the storms of a lifelong relationship and the stresses of raising kids.
        
        That’s why breakups can be incredibly mentally and even physically painful. Sex lends itself to permanent bonding. It is negligent to teach children to treat sex in such a casual way, ignoring the mental health damage caused by promiscuity.
        
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        July 23, 2023 1:02pm
      - cmm
        
        Sure, homosexuality is “biologically wrong”, but so are many of the things we do.
        Any use of contraception is “biologically wrong” because it interferes with the biological purposes, so is avoiding sexual contact with a 13 year old girl (she’s producing eggs, so the “biologically right” thing to do is impregnate her).
        Our bodies are designed for walking. Using a car is biologically wrong. So is using artificial lighting and staying up late at night.
        
        The only way out of this mess is libertarianism – the non aggression principle. Anyone can to whatever they want so long as they are not harming others.
        
        Two or more consenting guys want to do whatever they want and call it fun? Go for it. Just don’t force me to join in.
        
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        July 23, 2023 1:04pm
      - Che Guava
        
        cmm
        “Anyone can to whatever they want so long as they are not harming others.”
        
        Everything we do affects others, because we live in a society with other people, not in an abstract world of individuals that libertarians would have us believe.
        
        There is a logical progression and direct link from the idea of free individuals with no constraints, no obligations to others, and people doing what they want, to the quasi-dystopia we inhabit. Like ballast on a ship, people need constraints to stay on course, rather than sailing around in circles “free” of ballast.
        
        If we remove all norms and social pressures to conform to some common standard, even if some people don’t like it, then you end up with the society that people complain about on KB every day. The difference is that I appreciate the connections, whereas many others don’t. Empirical reality informs my worldview, not the fantasy of people “being their authentic self” no matter what the consequences are.
        
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        July 23, 2023 1:16pm
      - Che Guava
        
        Srikaya
        Excellent comment. The so-called “sexual revolution” has enslaved people, not liberated them. An amoral society that is obsessed with orgasms is very easy to control. Add drugs, alcohol and other distractions, and you’ve enslaved everyone to their senses.
        
        The number one cause of divorce is premarital promiscuity. People used to get married at 18 and have sex with their husband/wife. Now they spend 10 years rooting around first, destroying their soul and self-esteem, then they bail as soon as their marriage becomes less than perfect.
        
        The idea of questioning sexual liberation tends to provoke violent reactions from those who don’t know any better, because they are addicted to the idea of hedonism, licentiousness, and other vice, which was the intention of doing away with “oppressive” moral standards. The slaves get restless when their pleasures are threatened.
        
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        July 23, 2023 1:26pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Che Guava: “Homosexuality is not only biologically wrong, it’s morally wrong.”
        
        Can you concisely and clearly spell out why?
        
        Note: I’m a hetero male and on a personal level find the thought of (male) homosexual acts um, not desirable, but hey that’s why I’m not gay!
        
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        July 23, 2023 6:43pm
      - Che Guava
        
        I have spelled out why it’s wrong. Besides, you admit that you agree with me, so I don’t really see what your contention is.
        
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        July 23, 2023 8:04pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Che Guava I get the gist of where you are coming from *generally*. Namely yes we are a sex obsessed civilisation and I doubt it’s a good thing.
        Is hetero oral sex similarly “biologically and morally wrong” given that there are a number of horrible and incurable diseases (EG HPV and herpes) that can be caught doing that and doing so is not actually required for reproduction? The private bits are also quite close to the waste excreting bits (which will have varying degrees of cleanliness) so there’s that too.
        
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        July 24, 2023 9:16pm
Che Guava

Thesis: We can either have a complex and developed society characterised by “sexism” “racism” and other forms of “bigotry,” or we can have a society where these things are enforced out of existence but at the cost of collapsing the society.

https://www.palladiummag.com/2023/06/01/complex-systems-wont-survive-the-competence-crisis/

This article is about America, but it could equally apply to New Zealand and elsewhere in the Western world. I invite you to read the article, but here are some quotes from the article as an appetiser:

“America must be understood as a system of interwoven systems; the healthcare system sends a bill to a patient using the postal system, and that patient uses the mobile phone system to pay the bill with a credit card issued by the banking system. All these systems must be assumed to work for anyone to make even simple decisions. But the failure of one system has cascading consequences for all of the adjacent systems. As a consequence of escalating rates of failure, America’s complex systems are slowly collapsing.”

“The core issue is that changing political mores have established the systematic promotion of the unqualified and sidelining of the competent. This has continually weakened our society’s ability to manage modern systems.”

“By the 1960s, the systematic selection for competence came into direct conflict with the political imperatives of the civil rights movement….[putting] meritocracy and the new political imperative of protected-group diversity on a collision course.”

“The resulting norms have steadily eroded institutional competency, causing America’s complex systems to fail with increasing regularity.”

“Within the system of political imperatives now dominant in all major U.S. organizations, diversity must be prioritized even if there is a price in competency.”

“The path of least resistance will be the devolution of complex systems and the reduction in the quality of life that entails. For the typical resident in a second-tier city in Mexico, Brazil, or South Africa, power outages are not uncommon, tap water is probably not safe to drink, and hospital-associated infections are common and often fatal. Absent a step change in the quality of American governance and a renewed culture of excellence, they prefigure the country’s future.”
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July 23, 2023 9:43am
70andstilllearning

Question:
Whats the definition of a train wreck!
Answer:
Kelvin being interviewed by Jack.
The PM must be starting to cringe at the thought of his Ministers going on camera!
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July 23, 2023 9:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I took one look. Jack asked a question (dunno what)
  Special K answered with something stupid.
  Poor Jack – that look on his face, confused as fuck.
  Is that how Special K operates? Off topic answers so the interviewer just gives up? Seems that is how it works.
  
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  July 23, 2023 10:35am
- Biscuit
  
  70, I saw trailers for that interview during the week.
  
  Plenty of time for Tame Jack and his acolytes to edit out the worst bits of things.
  
  What you saw were the ‘good’ bits, heh…
  
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  July 23, 2023 10:35am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    So we’re being denied seeing the real comedy …. 🙂
    
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    July 23, 2023 11:43am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He cringes at himself going on interviews, he is as much of a train wreck as anyone
  
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  July 23, 2023 11:30am
Matt Long

The government once again allocates money without doing anything for meth addiction.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/494297/government-spends-fraction-of-38-million-it-promised-for-methamphetamine-programme
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July 23, 2023 9:54am
- Matt Long
  
  Funny how when it comes to delivery Labour is not so interested but when it comes to raising taxes they channel Donald Sutherland in backdraft.
  https://youtu.be/tTbVIXKh9T4
  
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  July 23, 2023 10:02am
Jack5

Radio NZ – Red Radio, State Radio – is making a last pre-election stand to justify Ardern’s anti-free speech, the Media Disinformation campaign.

This shows the danger of a State radio. It should be for overseas news on behalf of the NZ Government and for emergency warnings and information within NZ.

The Left’s use of Radio NZ shows that otherwise it can threaten democracy as well as be a waste of tax money.

Here’s its podcasts hyping up the “danger” of divergent views:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/undercurrent
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July 23, 2023 10:08am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Imagine if someone did a proper investigation into the causes and instigators of actual violence that occurs daily in NZ:
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300932839/noticeable-increase-in-gang-and-drug-related-gunshot-wounds-ed-doctor-says
  
  Yes, it must be very upsetting for some politicians to receive threats and feel “twitchy” every time they are out in public… but alas, that’s just another day in the life of a dairy owner in NZ.
  
  And I’m pretty sure it’s not conspiracy theorists who are threatening & bashing staff in our retail outlets.
  
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  July 23, 2023 10:40am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Here is what I would like to see in a state radio in New Zealand.
  
  Broadcast Parliament.
  
  Has a well tested capability to broadcast information in national and civil emergencies.
  
  Rebroadcast a selection of foreign radio stations covering world news.
  
  A small group of journalists to cover community news at local levels.
  
  A requirement for separate English and Maori broadcasts.
  
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  July 23, 2023 10:43am
  - Colville
    
    How many people under 50yrs old actually own a radio other than the one in the car?? Do radios that sit on a shelf as a separate device even exist?? I had one about 30 years ago !
    
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    July 23, 2023 12:21pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I have a small one in my emergency kit.
      
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      July 23, 2023 12:58pm
    - Ghost
      
      We have two radios. But if needed the phones can also be used for radio.
      
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      July 23, 2023 1:04pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Haven’t you got an old tranny, Colville? How do you listen to the cricket while gardening?
      
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      July 23, 2023 3:09pm
      - Colville
        
        Rova on the phone.
        
        But replace the word gardening with hunting! 😁
        
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        July 23, 2023 6:16pm
  - Flossie
    
    “Has a well tested capability to broadcast information in national and civil emergencies.” Wouldn’t that have been covid? And then on to the “disinformation” stuff..
    
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    July 23, 2023 12:24pm
    - Bridgenag
      
      How did the guvment get our mobile numbers for “alerts”
      
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      July 23, 2023 1:02pm
      - Ghost
        
        Emergency notices are sent out through the cell tower to all phones connecting to that tower, not sent out to individual numbers.
        
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        July 23, 2023 1:13pm
      - Dougal10
        
        They haven’t got mine.
        
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        July 23, 2023 3:12pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    + ball-by-ball commentary on local first class and Test cricket
    
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    July 23, 2023 3:09pm
- miltonF
  
  RNZ needs to be shut down. Failing that, they should be required to release a statement every 15mins that “this is a taxpayer funded political broadcast”
  
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  July 23, 2023 1:11pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/2am-finish-in-palmerston-north/

A lot of protesters making a lot of noise. Tyres let down, vehicle damaged.
Were those protesters human, or just animals?
I could always see Julian’s car getting damaged one day. Surprised that did not happen at Orewa (I was there)
AA man who came to pump up the tyres, asked for some booklets!

Video 4.44
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July 23, 2023 10:08am
Sparrow

The Kelvin Davis interview on Q&A was a train wreck. To be fair to Tame whom I detest was more aggressive. How people like Davis can become Ministers shows how bereft we are of competent people in parliament. Shane Reti came across as very passionate and knowledgeable Tame attempted a low punch about Reti not getting patients permission to be in the ambulance. Sure he has not the charisma to be the leader. Frankly I would rather have competency over charisma any day.
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July 23, 2023 10:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Did Tame know the patient had to be asked? Idiot Tame.
  If the patient was told “this id Dr Shane Reti” I am sure they would be happy.
  A real Doctor in the Ambulance!
  
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  July 23, 2023 10:52am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Reti has no ambition to lead National. But he will in all likelihood be the best Minister of Health New Zealand has ever seen.
  
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  July 23, 2023 11:11am
  - Colville
    
    Tony.
    
    No politician has the desire to lead the party until they are actually handed the job.
    
    Just ask Jacinda Ardern!
    
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    July 23, 2023 12:23pm
Hugh Jarse

Winston First, the party for every season, “don’t like our standards, don’t worry we have others”.

I like the way Peters nails current issues affecting New Zealanders, he is a true dyed in the wool populist. He knows what itches to scratch. Do I trust him to do anything about them, not one little bit. He knowingly put a very inexperienced radical left government into power in 2017, he knew they had done no policy work for 9 years, he knew that voters wanted a National led government, but Labour offered him the baubles he wanted.

While he is not directly responsible for the crisis we now have, he enabled the Labour, Greens and TPM government, it’s simply inconceivable that he didn’t know about their more radical co-governance policies. As long as my arse points downwards I won’t be voting for that old charlatan.
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July 23, 2023 10:24am
- Grunter
  
  Winston “The Enabler” Peters who also poured over $1 billion down the drain and called it provincial development. He’s a total crook!
  
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  July 23, 2023 11:03am
  - gravedodger
    
    Err Bit more than One billion Grunter.
    The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) was launched in 2018 with $3 billion to be spent over three years. Its overall aim was to increase growth and development in regional New Zealand.
    
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    July 23, 2023 3:59pm
    - rouppe
      
      And instead it was spent on upgrading private property (Marae), lots of “research” and “investigate”, and sticking as many pine trees in the ground as possible – except when they had to destroy $160,000 of seedlings
      
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      July 23, 2023 4:48pm
- Inandout
  
  HJ, if you recall, the dim voters allowed MMP to infest our parliament, not once, but twice. I consider this misfortune to be on equal footing as Winston Peter’s unfortunate decision to side with Jacinda. I can remember FPP and as with any race the winner takes all. Under MMP the winner can merely watch the pretend politicians (List) take the reins and treat voters with contempt.
  
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  July 23, 2023 11:22am
  - Ian Boag
    
    the winner takes all
    
    Normally said winner would have something like 40% of the vote and not infrequently the loser would have more votes than the winner ….
    
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    July 23, 2023 1:12pm
oldpark

Broke Department Of Conservation Must Scrap Māori Language Bonuses
Saturday, 22 July 2023, 8:59 pm
Press Release: Taxpayers’ Union
Commenting on the news that the Department of Conservation (DoC) has agreed to pay staff bonuses of up to $3,500 a year for Māori language skills, Taxpayers’ Union Campaigns Manager, Callum Purves, said:

“If a role at the Department of Conservation – or any other department for that matter – requires proficiency in te reo Māori, then of course fluent speakers should be hired. However, DoC freely admit that they have no such roles.

“Where it is not directly relevant to their job, public servants who want to learn te reo should, of course, be encouraged to do so, but in their own time. Like many, I attend te reo classes outside of working hours and for no bonus payment, why should it be any different for DoC staff?

“At a time when DoC is scrambling around trying to find ways to dig itself out of a multi-million dollar black hole, it is simply unjustifiable to be spending more of taxpayers’ hard-earned money on skills that are not practical requirements of the job.

“Refusing to answer basic questions on how much this policy will cost in the hopes of stalling through the weeks-long OIA process undermines transparent government. This ‘too-good-for-scrutiny’ attitude just goes to show how little respect many public servants have for the people that pay their salaries.”

Why be surprised. Asking for many many potential Party Vote electors.
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July 23, 2023 10:28am
Matt Long

Labour ie pushing on with the Therapeutic Products Bill despite 97% of submissions being against it. It’s a reimagined form of democracy, very pleased to National opposing it. https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20230718_20230719_16
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July 23, 2023 11:24am
- Matt Long
  
  There’s a petition opposing it here
  https://petitions.parliament.nz/4011ca16-08e5-458e-6fea-08db7e84cb09
  
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  July 23, 2023 11:27am
- Inandout
  
  Matt, just class your product as Maori medicine and you escape the legislation. I presume the gangs see a way of making money from the Maori escape clause.
  
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  July 23, 2023 12:04pm
- oldpark
  
  Well it seems it has just passed its third reading and will become law in 2026. Check that out Matt.
  
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  July 23, 2023 12:29pm
greybeard

I can already see the headlines in Australia tomorrow: “Rain saves England”
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July 23, 2023 12:28pm
Ghost

Thanks to the police for catching him, my thoughts are with the family

A person has been arrested for kidnapping Yanfei Bao, but there is still no news on where the missing real estate agent is.

Stuff understands the man was arrested at an airport.

Article
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July 23, 2023 12:31pm
- greybeard
  
  The police have done some sterling work recently. Pity they are continually undermined by weak judges, it must really hurt them.
  
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  July 23, 2023 1:01pm
Ghost

70 convictions and only 36 years old

A 36-year-old man who had already notched up 32 jail sentences, was handed another when he appeared in the Timaru District Court on Thursday.

Scott James Brokenshire added three more burglary convictions – all committed in Methven on February 20-21, 2023 – to the 10 he had already accumulated when he appeared before Judge Dominic Dravitzki on those charges, plus driving while disqualified and possession of an offensive weapon (knuckledusters on September 27, 2022).

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July 23, 2023 12:39pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  70 convictions but how many illegal acts not caught?
  
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  July 23, 2023 1:55pm
- rouppe
  
  He’s been a very busy boy
  
  Interesting that all of a sudden the judge is talking about aggravating factors, and no cultural report or anything.
  
  Wonder what the difference is…
  
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  July 23, 2023 4:30pm
Swifty

E tu is a rotten employer and their leaders don’t care about worker’s rights!

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/300933821/man-sacked-after-harassment-claims-wins-unfair-dismissal-case

😂😂😂
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July 23, 2023 12:41pm
Prince

Census bribes top $1M.
Sure as hell will be the last Census, thanks Deborah.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=402412258489113
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July 23, 2023 1:02pm
Ghost

Winston first seems to be listening to the public again

Former Shortland Street star Lee Donoghue is now a New Zealand First candidate and has encouraged party members to oppose all “gender, sexuality and social ideology” from the school curriculum.

Donoghue, who played Hunter McKay on the popular soap from 2006 to 2012, has returned from Hollywood and spoke at NZ First’s annual conference in Auckland today, introducing a policy proposal that asserted children – specifically in primary school – were being “sociologically indoctrinated” regarding sexual education.

Speaking to the Herald, Donoghue said he believed there was a “woke virus” in New Zealand’s education system that led to the “ever-increasing sexualisation of children”.

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July 23, 2023 1:16pm
- Notsofast
  
  This is apparently in primary school.
  
  https://twitter.com/Shane_Paul_Boyd/status/1682305219357716482?t=WJP4ZzNq9kZPTIbaCYlWWg&s=19
  
  The background incidence of persistent gender dysphoria is about 1 in 10,000. That is a lot of bycatch to locate that individual.
  
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  July 23, 2023 1:26pm
Maggie Pie

Chatting with a group of friends after Mass this morning.
Thort one of the guys was right on the money when he said….. “If the government says you don’t need a gun. You need a gun”

Probably hard to disagree with tbh?
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July 23, 2023 1:48pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Govt is hear to help – Ronald Reagan.
  
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  July 23, 2023 4:22pm
Maggie Pie

And imagine being quoted over $150k a year for car insurance…..
just to insure your Range Rover!

https://trib.al/1fyKwX2
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July 23, 2023 2:08pm
- mandk
  
  Not surprising really. She’s obviously got a record for one or more serious driving offences.
  
  You don’t get a 2-year ban just for crashing your car.
  
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  July 23, 2023 3:23pm
- greybeard
  
  “She said the figure was originally quoted as being up to £73,000 before she tweaked a few details to get a better offer”
  She has tweaked a bit more than her details by the look of it.
  
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  July 23, 2023 3:58pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YIP!
    Katie had her latest breast enlargement done in Thailand last year.
    Tweeted …. “it’s now 16th time she’s undergone the surgery and would have the biggest tits in the UK” 😀
    
    Makes a fortune on ‘Only Fans’.
    You do have to admire her for all she’s been thru.
    
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    July 23, 2023 4:10pm
    - Ghost
      
      But can she compete with this guy’s ummm, aaaah, Link to an idiot.
      
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      July 23, 2023 4:14pm
Benedict Yu

Just been to a David Seymour event at Christchurch town hall. Venue full.

Under questioning he conceded that the vaccine mandates and coercion were wrong. He said that people should have been given a choice betwen vaccination and regular testing.

It was not a total walk back but he said plainly “the coercion was wrong”.

Just thought folk here may be interested.
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July 23, 2023 2:37pm
- 2ic
  
  Well, that is interesting. Hardly an acknowledgement on how badly Act (and National) failed us over the mandates, but a complete turnaround over his “no one cares about you, mate” response only 2 months ago.
  
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  July 23, 2023 3:01pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    No it was not a dramatic reversal. However he did say that some of the coercion had been wrong.
    
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    July 23, 2023 3:27pm
  - Inandout
    
    2ic, give MPs a bit of slack over covid. The whole world (with few exceptions) lost the plot and the virus attained celebrity status. I look back in anger at what we were coerced to do in the name of the Ardern/Bloomfield podium of truth. But I refuse to harbour any greivances and will not make the same mistake.
    
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    July 23, 2023 3:32pm
    - kevn
      
      InOut… The lies from the podium of bullsh*t go back to 2021 when issues were well known, haven’t aged well.
      The perps have all run.
      
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      July 23, 2023 5:35pm
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      I won’t forget or forgive. After researching the available facts back in early 2020 I decided to not get vaccinated. At age 73 for a long time I was not allowed to eat out, go to my favorite club or enjoy my favorite sport – scubadiving.
      
      I doubt that there will ever be a court case against those who caused so many people to suffer needlessly but if one does eventuate I hope the jury throws the book at those responsible. I would volunteer for jury duty if old farts are allowed to do so.
      
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      July 23, 2023 6:12pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  He also said that he would support a wide ranging inquiry into the covid response.
  
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  July 23, 2023 3:12pm
- mandk
  
  But did he apologise for helping to destroy livelihoods and, in all probability, causing people bodily harm by coercing them into being vaxxed?
  
  Because that’s what he did.
  
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  July 23, 2023 3:16pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Uptick but – my body, my choice. Not sure how the coercing was done over and above that.
    The meek probably fell for it, but the meek should not be reading about Seymour.
    
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    July 23, 2023 4:31pm
    - mandk
      
      “Not sure how the coercing was done over and above that.”
      
      Seriously?
      
      I lost my job, but I was lucky. I was receiving superannuation, I had a decent amount of savings, and I didn’t have a mortgage. This enabled me to resist the bullying.
      
      But it would have been different if I was in my mid-30s, with three kids and a large mortgage.
      
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      July 23, 2023 4:59pm
      - info@cruzpro.com
        
        Good on you!
        
        You weren’t lucky, you were prepared. Probably because of a lot of hard work.
        
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        July 23, 2023 7:25pm
  - greybeard
    
    Whatever he said and did had no impact on, or control over, the Labour Government’s actions.
    He was as impotent in that regard as the rest of us.
    
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    July 23, 2023 5:37pm
    - Ghost
      
      He did nothing but support them, and that is the problem, he also attacked people for not supporting what was being done.
      
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      July 23, 2023 5:44pm
- Che Guava
  
  I could have told him that 2 or 3 years ago. Maybe I should be the leader of ACT, seeing as I have more clues than David Seymour. Moreover, “supporting” a “wide ranging inquiry” into the Covid response sounds as weaselly-worded as you can get.
  
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  July 23, 2023 4:02pm
Maggie Pie

Here’s a date to put in your calendar…..

https://twitter.com/antifa_aotearoa/status/1682891305956052992

I tried to reply but for some unknown reason I’ve been blocked 🙁
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July 23, 2023 3:07pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  All blocked and we know why.
  “People @antifa_aotearoa follows or mentioned can reply”
  I plan on being there. Albert Park 2.0
  
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  July 23, 2023 3:14pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Now, I found a new word. “kakistocracy”
Of course, everyone in the World knew what it is but I am the only one who didn’t.
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July 23, 2023 3:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

It costs so much. Is NZ paying for this?

How much does it cost to keep murdering crims to be released and not do any crime? ‘Unlawful tacticks’ my left tit.

https://billingsreport.com/antifa-and-blm-proves-that-in-nyc-crime-does-pay/
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July 23, 2023 4:01pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/132600361/watch-bear-gets-stuck-in-car-proceeds-to-destroy-it
I suspect the poor bear was trying to get away from the car’s owner.
I would.
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July 23, 2023 4:10pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Talking to the bear in baby ‘coochie coo’ voices is always a great tactic.
  Bears are just people in furs coats.
  Ask Timothy Treadwell.
  
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  July 23, 2023 6:57pm
Ghost

This is going to be popcorn worthy.

Congressman Tim Burchett (TN-02) holds a press conference with colleagues from the Oversight Committee on the upcoming hearing that will be held on Wednesday, July 26, 2023 on UAPs. The hearing is titled “Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency”

The hearing will be held by the Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs.

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July 23, 2023 4:24pm
ScottAndrews

Can Someone please clarify NZ Firsts policies as reported by stuff: “NZ First would campaign on five key issues, he said. This would see the party take a stand against “racist spermatism”,” Winston did also say “This is not our first rodeo,” although I am not sure if the 2 comments are connected. I do however look forward to seeing the policies around “racist spermatism” and which ministry will be responsible.
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July 23, 2023 4:47pm
- Ghost
  
  The small bit I watched was talking about creating a single health entity to deal with all New Zealanders and not to have race based systems.
  
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  July 23, 2023 5:26pm
Ghost

Good news for stuff, nz herald, etc etc, help is on the way

Google has reportedly been testing an AI-powered technology that will automate the production of news content, and probably put thousands of NPC journalists out of a job.

Known internally as “Genesis,” the new project aims to collaborate with organizations such as the New York Times, the Washington Post, and News Corp, according to the NY Times, citing three sources familiar with the matter.

The Genesis AI tool possesses the capability to assimilate vast amounts of data, including current events and intricate details, and generate comprehensive news articles, the sources revealed. This development has ignited fervent debates over the future of journalism and the role of AI technology in shaping the news landscape.

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July 23, 2023 5:25pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  So we can soon have computers creating the news stories and telling what we should know.
  
  Kind of scary but so is trusting the information coming out of most of the current New Zealand news outlets.
  
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  July 23, 2023 5:59pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  “will automate the production of news content, and probably put thousands of NPC journalists out of a job.”
  
  So they’ll be replaced by an Orwellian trillion dollar entity that allows infantile NPCs to be lead it around by the gonads!
  
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  July 23, 2023 7:09pm
Hugh Jarse

Just watching a replay of Kelvin “Gunna” Davis speaking with Jack Tame. Threw Judges under the bus, blamed National, but now after 6 years he is “gunna” do this and “gunna” do that. You have had 6 years Gunna and you have done nothing. No management, no ongoing oversight, no follow up with your department. You haven’t got a clue what it takes to be a Minister and Leader, you are a waste of space Gunna.
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July 23, 2023 5:53pm
- fernglas
  
  Interesting that he insisted that sentences for violent offenders were the responsibility of judges, but when talking about the increase in the prison population around 2015, he tried to blame the previous National Government. Can’t have it both ways.
  
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  July 23, 2023 6:31pm
  - Nickc2
    
    It could be worse, he could be given the Police Portfolio if Labour wins the next election.
    Just imagine that! A racist train wreck to beat all train wrecks in the making.
    
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    July 23, 2023 6:39pm
NZer In Exile

An interesting 1.5 minute video on how socialism pans out.

https://twitter.com/CmSmrt/status/1616206072603344896

Ring any bells?
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July 23, 2023 6:27pm
NZer In Exile

Anyone seen the movie Oppenheimer?

It’s 3 hours long but allegedly very compelling/good (according to Geeks & Gamers on Odysee video platform).
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July 23, 2023 6:50pm
- Ghost
  
  Just been watching reviews on YouTube, looks like it will be worth watching.
  
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  July 23, 2023 7:05pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Write ups in the UK papers have given it between 4 and 5 out of 5.
  
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  July 23, 2023 8:03pm
fernglas

Following on from the Jack Tame interview with Kelvin Davis, here is a link to the MoJ data tables for criminal offending:
https://www.justice.govt.nz/justice-sector-policy/research-data/justice-statistics/data-tables/
Contrary to Tames assertion that violent crime had increased, it in fact seems to have dropped over the last couple of years. The offending is broken down by age and ethnicity.
Of interest in the violent offending including domestic violence, (for which NZ has the worst record in the OECD) is that the offenders are 88% male. And statistically probably Cis males. So Marama Davidson has 2/3rds of it right.
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July 23, 2023 7:15pm
- fernglas
  
  Or does she have it 2/3rds right? From the Good Shepherd Family Violence website:
  “Gay, lesbian and bisexual adults experience intimate partner physical and sexual violence more than twice as often as other New Zealanders. (6)”
  
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  July 23, 2023 7:26pm
- Swifty
  
  How bloody sexist!
  
  If men are 88% of offenders, when they are only 50% of the population, then clearly the system is sexist towards men and needs throwing out and to be replaced. With some thing else.
  
  We need systems to be by men, for men.
  
  What’s good for men is good for non-men too!
  
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  July 23, 2023 8:55pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Those poor men are probably suffering from generational trauma having grown up in households composed of non-men who have suckled them to their breasts and wiped their little bottoms.
    
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    July 23, 2023 9:12pm
Ghost

Poor student….

As a school student myself, I average 35 hours a week in class, plus a minimum 10 hours of travel.

When the 11 hours of travel-exclusive sport and at least seven hours of work are accounted for, I’m left wondering how I manage the hours of homework and sleep. Fun? Relaxation? Unrelated to school? Don’t be silly.

How much positive change might we see in New Zealand’s teens if the four-day school week was introduced?

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