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CJames

Just to get Milky wound up, looks like as predicted, NZ sports fans are voting with their money and feet by not showing interest is the soccer. Even with the offer of free tickets. This is despite all the promos by elites and politicians.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/19/football/gianni-infantino-wwc-2023-new-zealand-spt-intl/
It was all so predictable. The NZ male don’t like being told what to do. And how much money did the Government put into it and associated activities – all on the promise of its economic success (and a vote winner)?
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July 22, 2023 8:00am
- Drone
  
  Gosh CJames “NZ male don’t like to be told what to do” obviously you don’t remember “put a mask on”, “sign in”, “stay indoors”, “get vaxxed”, perhaps you hunger for an NZ like this vid where we all look after each other in a small town/country https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1_RKu-ESCY&t=67s&ab_channel=JasonAldean
  
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  July 22, 2023 8:19am
  - CJames
    
    Did you do those things Drone? The only times I did was under coercion.
    
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    July 22, 2023 9:37am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “The NZ male don’t like being told what to do.”
  Really? Nah. You can’t be serious! Really?
  
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  July 22, 2023 8:19am
  - CJames
    
    I know that might come as a shock to you Steve, but I believe it is received wisdom. At least that is what I have heard at all the interminable safety lectures I have had to go to. But then I just ignored them.
    
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    July 22, 2023 8:24am
    - Che Guava
      
      Safety lectures are a good example, among a myriad, of the feminisation of society. Men and women have completely different ways of thinking, because they are different. You’d have to have never met a woman to seriously believe that the only real difference is genitalia. A feminine society will be fundamentally different to a masculine one, which is why Feminism is a tool for social subversion.
      
      Men tend to be more impersonal and prone to thinking in abstractions and considering long term consequences, women more personal, emotional and risk averse (hence safety lectures) and think in the short term.
      
      Hence, Mum will worry about little Jonny climbing a tree and hurting himself, whereas Dad will understand that, even if there’s a chance he’ll break an arm, the long term benefits that come from Jonny “conquering” a tree outweigh that risk.
      
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      July 22, 2023 8:32am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        You are obviously a misogynistic troglodyte!
        
        How dare you notice things that contradict the fact checked and peer reviewed “progressive” gospel truths.
        
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        July 22, 2023 12:53pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        There is a hypothesis that the huge number of women in academic admin is a root cause of the current wave of uber crazy wokeness sweeping the western world.
        
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        July 22, 2023 2:47pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Fire Drills. I was always the last there. “Where have you been Steve?”
      “Oh, I was looking for the fire, there is no fire. I turned off the compressor too”
      
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      July 22, 2023 10:17am
- Che Guava
  
  The less authentic and aligned with objective reality an idea is, the more it has to be artificially promoted, sustained and enforced by an agency or bureaucracy. You could say that this is the case with the “women’s equality” in general – if the idea wasn’t enforced by law and males were socially pressured to assent to allowing it in practice, it would evaporate overnight because it is not objectively true.
  
  Women are fantastic and their attributes complement men, just as men’s attributes complement women. That is the objective reality, not “equality” which is a delusional political ideology. However, except in some rare examples, their sporting prowess is such that I would never see much value in watching women play sport, even if it is at an “elite” level (which, in terms of football, is about the level of a competent under 15 male age group team).
  
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  July 22, 2023 8:21am
  - Taieri
    
    I would never see much value in watching women play sport
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    Not even beach volleyball, synchronized swimming or artistic gymnastics?
    How sad…
    
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    July 22, 2023 10:08am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Its not sad.
      
      People prefer that which pleases them.
      Freedom of choice is important .
      
      Would you rather 10 willing spectators or twenty watching under sufferance.
      
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      July 22, 2023 10:21am
      - Mike
        
        Who is being compelled to watch sport?
        
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        July 22, 2023 10:37am
      - Ghost
        
        I can’t stand soccer, boring game. But I’d go watch it to show my support for woman’s sport.
        
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        July 22, 2023 10:45am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Ghost: “I can’t stand soccer, boring game. But I’d go watch it to show my support for woman’s sport.”
        
        My guess is you are young and going to learn the hard way that sucking up to feminism is just going to cause you many wasted years.
        
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        July 22, 2023 12:56pm
      - Ghost
        
        My guess is you aren’t very good at making guesses
        
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        July 22, 2023 1:02pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Mike: “Who is being compelled to watch sport?”
        
        Probably not too many people that I can think of right now.
        
        Another question. Who is compelled to fund unpopular sport for ideological reasons?
        
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        July 22, 2023 2:43pm
    - Mike
      
      Taieri
      I suspect he would prefer girls and women to confine themselves (or be confined) to their proper sphere of placid domesticity as their natural complementary role to that of the heroic man.
      
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      July 22, 2023 10:52am
      - imalwaysright
        
        I wonder if TaierI appreciated being patronised by Mike.
        Che doesn’t want to watch womens sport because he/she doesn’t see much value in it. Its pretty obvious he/she means value to him/her self.
        I don’t think anyone is saying womens sport is if little value full stop. That would be untrue.
        There is nothing wrong with someone not liking what you like. Its nothing personal. It is not a judgement of the worth of the participants .
        Apologies for the pronouns but Che’s comments could equally be from a man or a woman.
        
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        July 22, 2023 12:14pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Sounds like hyperbolic silliness Mike. I know of not one single male anywhere in my greater sphere who advocates that.
        
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        July 22, 2023 3:18pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Māori only anthem
      
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      July 22, 2023 8:53pm
  - General
    
    LOL @ the down ticks
    100% agree
    
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    July 22, 2023 10:39am
  - herb1
    
    I imagine you need a mirror held well in front of you to see if you have any “ appendages”
    
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    July 22, 2023 10:40am
  - virtualmark
    
    Che,
    
    You should watch the ad the French did for the Women’s World Cup. Amazing ad, that speaks 100% directly to your concerns. Well worth two minutes of your time.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylA2yOOaGHM
    
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    July 22, 2023 12:26pm
- Simon
  
  Mike linked a guardian article on the man made climate scam and was downticked to hidden. Chris Luxon would have upticked Mike though.
  
  Hang in there Mike. You have more in common with Chris Luxon than most people on KB.
  
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  July 22, 2023 8:23am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Still shilling for the Labour party, Simon ?
    
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    July 22, 2023 10:50am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    [Mod – G, stop abusing people]
    
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    July 22, 2023 8:54pm
- emmess
  
  “New Zealand, we want you. We need you,” Infantino pleaded at press conference in Auckland, New Zealand.
  
  “It’s never too late to do the right thing. Come to watch the matches. We need full stadiums to warm us all up,” he added.
  
  Err how about no?
  I don’t really feel like subsidising the most corrupt sporting body on the planet so they can virtue signal about diversity or something
  
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  July 22, 2023 8:29am
  - 7kiwi11
    
    FIFA make the FIA look good.
    
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    July 22, 2023 11:44am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I thought the Soccer authorities missed a trick by not encouraging towns & cities each to support a particular team. Whangarei to support Costa Rica, Hastings to get behind Zambia, etc. I thought that approach worked well in the 2011 Rugby World Cup.
  
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  July 22, 2023 8:30am
  - Dodger
    
    Yes I agree Bolly. We are on the North Shore and here, French people dressed so you could tell and there was very good camaraderie until the final.
    
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    July 22, 2023 10:57am
- Biscuit
  
  CJ, I worry about FIFA’s thought processes.
  
  Clearly any game involving New Zealamd was going to be a near-sell-out – especially since they did the tournament a BIG favour by winning their first game.
  
  But, just as clearly, there are a whole swag of ‘Meh’ games in Pool Play that they must’ve known would feature swathes of empty seats.
  
  Especially with the tournament being played in winter.
  
  So do FIFA ‘help’ the public by enabling walk-up, buy-tickets-on-the-day crowd(s)? Nope. You must spent a-g-e-s on their COMPLICATED, intrusive on-line booking system … or stay at home.
  
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  July 22, 2023 8:34am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Yep, if it’s a sunny day I might walk down to the stadium & fork out $20 of my hard earned to see what’s going on. I’m not going to hand over my PI to one of the most corrupt organisations in the world for the privilege of watching second rate sport.
    
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    July 22, 2023 8:56am
    - Biscuit
      
      Agreed, NMTB.
      
      I went into FIFA’s booking ‘system’.
      I like to think I am a reasonably-intelligent individual but, eventually, I gave up.
      
      You have to provide:
      
      Name. Addy. Landline no. Mobile Phone no. Email.
      Preferred Pronouns
      Mother’s maiden name
      Inside leg measurement. Your OWN inside leg. No fobbing us with your female parent’s pins! (Enclose photo of inside leg)
      An affidavit swearing that you have never had any evil thoughts about the trustworthiness of us sainted FIFA lot.
      Full bank details. Please enclose a copy of your latest statement(s) so we can ascertain your worthiness to attend our games.
      NB: FIFA may deduct any amount it so chooses and will then bombast you with umpteen promo emails each week for the rest of eternity.
      Now that we’ve established you are a sucker, can we interest you in an autographed glossy pic of Gianni Infantino? A steal at $US 250 (plus the usual ‘additional’ rorts)…
      
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      July 22, 2023 10:42am
  - pdm
    
    Biscuit – bloody sure I am not travelling from Hastings to Wellington to watch any women’s soccer game.
    
    To be honest (and you know I always am) I would not travel to the local sports park to watch said game – a round trip of 6ks maximum.
    
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    July 22, 2023 9:20am
    - pdm
      
      ps. I don’t watch on TV either. The British Golf Open and Ashes cricket are much better viewing.
      
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      July 22, 2023 9:22am
- imalwaysright
  
  The New Zealand male is the most compliant material known.
  
  Look at the state of the country.
  
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  July 22, 2023 8:39am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Whether they are right or wrong the polls show almost 50% of voters want a Socialist/Communist Government to command and control them. For that reason IMHO ACT should highlight the tragic Auckland shootings as further evidence that Labour are soft on crime. It may or may not win ACT more votes but it may cause swing fringe Labour voters to shift their support to the Nats benefiting both the Nats and ACT.
  Politics is a dirty game it aint tiddly winks. You gotta fight fire with fire. In ACTs shoes Labour would have no qualms doing the same.
  
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  July 22, 2023 9:34am
  - JackRabbit
    
    I disagree with the 50%. Many many people that would traditionally vote Labour, don’t want to vote Labour but they see National as bad as Labour, because Luxon is so wet. He may come across well at a National election meeting but that’s a small amount of people in a local meeting.
    
    Faced with no real opposition to Labour save Act, many will vote for the devil they know (chippie) than the devil they don’t (luxon).
    
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    July 22, 2023 9:50am
    - Flossie
      
      So other than seeing Luxon in person how do you arrive at any decision as to what he’s “like” – wet or otherwise. The grabs provided to the general public by our seriously biased media will always show half the story which is guaranteed to make him look bad.
      He can never get a fair go.
      
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      July 22, 2023 11:25am
      - oldfella
        
        Luxon needs to really shine in the TV debate/s.
        A good performance could swing some undecided voters – certainly helped Cindy before the 2017 election.
        
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        July 22, 2023 11:49am
      - JackRabbit
        
        He has to make himself heard in whatever way possible. If he is not reaching the people he needs to reach, he is not out there enough.
        
        And there are key issues people need to hear from him about.
        
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        July 22, 2023 12:33pm
      - Paulus
        
        To a feminine Labour supporter Luxon’s problem is that he is a male.
        
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        July 22, 2023 1:53pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Oldfella
        
        As I remember in 2017 Labour were well ahead of Nats in 2017 whenAngry Andy release the hounds on us, as her tax non understanding, snd the debates went along, Labour actually dropped considerably, I refuse to except her waffle is what got her party within 19% of Nats
        
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        July 22, 2023 8:58pm
- PeeJay
  
  Personally, I don’t think it’s got anything to be with NZ males not liking being told what to do. Go to any shopping centre on a weekend and it’s choc full of blokes that would rather be anywhere else but have most certainly been overridden by the boss – aka the wife!
  
  I think it’s simply the fact that women’s football isn’t a great product. It’s pretty poor quality and the gulf in class between the top 3 or 4 teams and the rest is a chasm. Even the best women’s teams are not up to the same skill level as the average mens professional team – this is not sexist it’s just fact. The quality is improving, but it’s still pretty poor in places.
  
  Thursday nights opening games were a stark example of that – one great goal, lots of nervy ‘boot it, head it’ headless chicken defence / attacking in the box and no midfielder in any of the four teams with any vision to pick out passes to the wingers / fullback’s who were in acres of space on the wing – lost count of the amount of times Riley (good player in my opinion) from the Ferns was completely unmarked on the right wing or making good runs forward and they’d ignore her and the ball would be ‘hoofed’ into the box with the usual headless chicken defence / attack ping-pong outcome. It’s like watching lower league English football – lot’s of passion, not a lot of ability.
  
  So faced with a convoluted ticketing system, some poor quality teams, during high inflation, in winter, most games available on TV, no real prospect of the Ferns winning (getting out of their group would be a major achievement), and with the NZ public not generally being that keen on football / soccer anyway, is it any surprise the ticket numbers have been slow?
  
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  July 22, 2023 9:34am
- Squinzy
  
  Well I took my daughters along to the Spain/Costa Rica game in Wellington last night and it was fantastic. Great atmosphere and supreme skill showed by the players. Would highly recommend getting behind it and let this tournament show our young women what it is like to chase their dreams. No need to be narrow minded mate.
  
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  July 22, 2023 10:25am
  - General
    
    Narrow minded? After a clearly well informed understanding of the game and sharing objective observations?
    
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    July 22, 2023 10:48am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Lol…. How many goals would the Phoneix have beaten either side by? 10 or more?
    
    The product is rubbish, its played a very slow pace compared to the best mens football.
    
    Sitting in the Stadium to watch two teams from overseas – I commend you, hope your daughters enjoyed it and are inspired to play football or any other sport. But my money will stay in my pocket…
    
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    July 22, 2023 12:41pm
- Mike
  
  Hi CJames
  It’s always nice to hear from a fan.
  I’m not sure Tom Hunter would approve, as banter on Kiwiblog distracts from his preference for more serious business, such as link-whoring to his review of Oppenheimer: https://nominister.wordpress.com/2023/07/21/movie-review-oppenheimer/
  If the NZ male doesn’t like being told what to do, though, why is sports coverage inundated with advertising demanding that everyone buy a Ford Ranger, etc?
  
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  July 22, 2023 10:36am
  - David George
    
    Thanks for the link Mike, Tom’s a perceptive critic and great writer.
    
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    July 22, 2023 12:27pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Despite the best possible start to the WWC, with a deserved NZ win and good luck to them, discerning sports viewers can spot when they’re being sold a pup.
  
  All the breathless BS such as “world’s best players” (ha!), “biggest sporting event NZ has ever held” (hmm, I seriously doubt it will come close to the RWC 2011 or any of the last several Lions visits), and “record crowds” (tens of thousands of free tickets still not enough to get people to watch mediocrity) cannot disguise the incontrovertible truth that if Pep Guardiola trained the best players from this WWC for a month, they would still be soundly trounced by the average high school first XI.
  
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  July 22, 2023 10:55am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Go watch the anthem and you will be spewing
    
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    July 22, 2023 9:00pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  This is why we don’t like being told what to do. Give a little control and they relish in it!!!
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3sPZ5j4PIo
  
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  July 22, 2023 11:02am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The internet is FOREVER Ardern.
    
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    July 22, 2023 11:03am
- Gordon Shumway
  
  Anyone who was at the opening game on Thursday night will long remember it as an amazing night for NZ sport. It was in incredible effort from the Ferns – absolutely deserved the win and played with incredible heart under a fair amount of pressure/expectation.
  
  The event hasn’t attracted as many foreign visitors to NZ, but that’s not entirely the government’s fault to be fair to them.
  
  The issue is that government has only been half-hearted about tourism’s recovery. They pretty much shat all over tourism during covid and don’t see it as a critical part of NZ’s economy.
  
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  July 22, 2023 12:20pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Actually, the girl that delivered the cross kick for Wilkinson? to score deserved all the plaudits – it was a fantastic kick – direction, force and close to the ground.
    
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    July 22, 2023 1:39pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Yep, totally agree. That was Jacqui Hand.
      
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      July 22, 2023 5:09pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Actually CJames, the crowds have been surprisingly good. I have been half-watching USA beat Vietnam, and the crowd, whilst not a full house, is definitely well north of 30,000. 23,000 turned out last night on a typically foul Wellington winter night to watch Spain beat Costa Rica.
  
  I think the organisers will be pretty happy with ticket sales so far. The New Zealand vs Philippines match at Wellington on Tuesday is sold out, as is the USA vs The Netherlands match next Thursday. All in all, it’s a pretty good effort, and is a lesson to Super Rugby that if you make ticket prices reasonable, people will come and watch.
  
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  July 22, 2023 2:58pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  What gas most people in a tizz is the fact the game the other night had Māori only anthem, and Rino tunga only flag on display, who the hell dictated that shit
  
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  July 22, 2023 8:51pm
  - reubee
    
    FYI FIFA have rules about everything. The music played must be instrumental only and no longer than a certain number of seconds, so no time to play it twice. At the game it was a curious mix of people singing English and Māori verse at same time.
    
    With the flags it was surprising for FIFA to allow additional flags being flown as they normally avoid anything like that as it opens too many cans of worms.
    
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    July 23, 2023 12:23am
Chuck Bird

FYI

Bjørn Lomborg: How rising temperatures will save lives

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwOYjC2IzZc
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July 22, 2023 8:01am
- Simon
  
  Chris Luxon would disagree very strongly
  
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  July 22, 2023 8:24am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Boring Luxon bashing.
    
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    July 22, 2023 10:27am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I doubt if Luxon would look at it unless the polls and focus groups changed.
    
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    July 22, 2023 10:51am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      That’s a better Luxon-bash. Simon’s getting a bit like Pavlov’s Dog.
      
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      July 22, 2023 10:56am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Simon is a closet Labour supporter – that’s why he keeps bagging National & Luxon.
    
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    July 22, 2023 10:56am
- Ignoranus
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Ha ha ha. What will those “saved” eat when the mean global surface temp rises 2C? Already at 1.1C farmers in many areas of the world are struggling with the heat and lack of water.
  
  You need to ignore the outliars, especially scientifically-unqualified commentators like Lomborg, and try to grasp importance of the consensus of scientists who understand the science.
  
  Or just look at the catastrophe affecting so much of the land in the Northern Hemisphere and El Nino hasn’t really got cracking yet.
  
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  July 22, 2023 8:28am
  - Che Guava
    
    “You need to ignore the outliars, especially scientifically-unqualified commentators like Lomborg, and try to grasp importance of the consensus of scientists who understand the science.”
    
    Well, that’s the most common logical fallacy of all, the argument from authority. Empirical propositions are true or false based solely on their alignment or non-alignment with reality, not on who endorses them.
    
    The history of science is really the history of people making statements purported to be incontrovertible facts (on the basis that “the science says so”) only to be later discredited by other “the science says so” claims that contradict the earlier claim.
    
    A scientific claim only has value to the extent that it is resistant to refutation, and most scientific claims are not very resistant at all. It’s like panning for gold – there are always some tiny specks of the good stuff in there somewhere, but there’s always far more shit to sift through first.
    
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    July 22, 2023 10:03am
  - HalfFull
    
    So can you explain why food production is the highest its EVER Been?
    
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    July 22, 2023 10:12am
    - Grunter
      
      CO2 is up so plants grow faster and require less water to do so. The satellite data on the leafy green cover shows significant greening of the planet over the past 30 years. Great for food production.
      
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      July 22, 2023 10:52am
  - Taieri
    
    What will those “saved” eat when the mean global surface temp rises 2C?
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    What do they eat in Brazil, which is the largest country in terms of the arable land and a major food exporter at that?
    But the again, its cool climate would allow that, wouldn’t it?
    Another country traditionally and commonly associated with the polar blasts is India. It is also the second largest food producer in the world.
    
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    July 22, 2023 10:18am
  - Surely Knott
    
    The claim there’s a consensus of scientists had to do with almost all papers on climate change support climate change. So climate scientists publish papers supporting climate change.
    
    The first big global cooperation to ban cfc’s did not result in a reduction of the ozone hole. The ozone hole varies by year and we still have large years. See nasa data measurements.
    
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    July 22, 2023 10:46am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Did you watch the video? If so where was Lomborg wrong?
    
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    July 22, 2023 12:22pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Ignoranus: “try to grasp importance of the consensus of scientists who understand the science.”
    
    It’s a fake consensus (the 97% BS) cooked up by using flaky methodology first used by Orseskes then Cook. The woke media then just stupidly ran with it. Then dumb assed woke pollies spout it as truth. Wokesters are then convinced it is The Truth.
    
    Nobody paid to support a narrative is going to speak against it. Especially when the true believers will pull a total witch hunt and cancel-job on them. It’s generally only retired or near retired profs who can and do speak out (there is the exception of some countries that are less idiotic when it comes to academic rigour).
    
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    July 22, 2023 3:07pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Love the unqualified outliers comment.
    
    translation. Someone who has a more reasoned look at climate change rather than our climate hysterics.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwOYjC2IzZc
    
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    July 22, 2023 3:56pm
- Che Guava
  
  Did you know that Mars has an atmosphere consisting of 95% CO2, and a temperature of about minus 60 degrees celsius? Earth’s is 0.04%. Yes, I realise that there are myriad other factors at play (apparently unlike our so-called climate scientists), but it’s an interesting datum and conversation starter.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Mars
  
  This is a particularly striking comparative graphic:
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Mars#/media/File:Composition-comparison_Mars-Venus-Earth.png
  
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  July 22, 2023 9:37am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    “interesting datum”? It has no relevance to the current discussion about global warming on planet Earth.
    
    Mars has almost no atmosphere compared to Earth – that’s the main reason why it’s so cold. The volume of the Martian atmosphere is less than 1 % of Earth’s, and what’s more it’s much less dense than Earth’s – at the planet’s surface, the density of the Martian atmosphere is similar to the density Earth’s at a height of 35 km. That more than makes up for the much higher concentration of CO2 in the Martian atmosphere, with the result than Mars is much colder than Earth.
    
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    July 22, 2023 11:54am
    - Keith White
      
      “Mars ain’t the kind of place to raise your kids
      In fact it’s cold as hell
      And there’s no one there to raise them
      If you did
      And all this science
      I don’t understand…”
      
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      July 22, 2023 6:49pm
Matt Long

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/doc-paying-controversial-bonus-of-up-to-3500-per-annum-for-civil-servants-maori-language-proficiency/P52S27GAWNCEVEH5OYIGDMH33I/
Nice, official racist corruption or cultist sensitivity?
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July 22, 2023 8:24am
- Matt Long
  
  Just how much racism will National allow to continue?
  https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/tremain-quandary
  
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  July 22, 2023 8:28am
  - Souvlaki
    
    Best cartoon I’ve seen for a while!
    Can we please have a comment from National supporters explaining why National can’t read the room??🙄🙄
    What IS the problem??
    
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    July 22, 2023 8:46am
    - Souvlaki
      
      On second thoughts…perhaps Luxon is DELIBERATELY leaving Winston to hoover up votes in this field as a counter to ACT?? Q: Could they BE that stupid??
      
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      July 22, 2023 9:06am
      - Che Guava
        
        I’d vote for Winston just to see what happens. I’m at the point where, because nobody has any intention of going in what I consider the right direction, let’s make a bit of chaos and watch the fireworks. My view is that nothing will ever change for the good until things get so bad that they have to change for the good. Currently, too many people have too much to gain from not changing anything. Necessity is the mother of invention, after all, so let’s make change necessary.
        
        I now await the usual suspects to come along and desperately try to convince me that anything other than a vote for National is stupid. I think they need to take a look in the mirror first.
        
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        July 22, 2023 9:19am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “My view is that nothing will ever change for the good until things get so bad that they have to change for the good.“
        
        I would favour another scenario. Things get ” so bad ” that New Zealand drops out of developed nation status as people and capital flee. IMO you are mistaken in thinking that everyone will wake up and fix things.
        
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        July 22, 2023 10:45am
      - Steve Todd
        
        @Che Guava @ 9:19AM
        
        I’d vote for Winston just to see what happens.
        
        Don’t worry, Che, you will be seeing “what happens” regardless of whether or not you give your Party vote to NZ First.
        
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        July 22, 2023 10:47am
      - Che Guava
        
        “Don’t worry, Che, you will be seeing “what happens” regardless of whether or not you give your Party vote to NZ First.”
        
        Assuming I’m still alive after 14 October, you’re probably right. Stating the blindingly obvious of course, but right.
        
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        July 22, 2023 11:09am
      - Steve Todd
        
        I decided that including the words “barring personal tragedy [you will be seeing]” was unnecessary, indeed, quite inappropriate, given that I was trying to put up a light-hearted response.
        
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        July 22, 2023 11:35am
      - gravedodger
        
        The Charlatan who delivered That Woman to the New Zealand voters needs a new Hoover, he seems to be around 2.5% give or take a margin of error in most polls.
        Possibly dying at the rate of hovering could explain that.
        
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        July 22, 2023 1:12pm
    - Simon
      
      What is Nationals problem?
      
      It’s beyond them. National are party of petty grifters. NZ has been reduced to an economic unit farmed and exploited by govt.borg.nz. National are a subsidiary of govt.borg.nz
      
      National senior members gain personal benefit from gaslighting and promoting the glorious state and whatever rubbish comes from the state. Nationals role is to trick the productive to continue supporting their fleecing by an increasingly shrill and failing state.
      
      National promise that everything is fine with govt.borg.nz just they need to be nominally in charge. Lying by National is now constant
      
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      July 22, 2023 9:16am
      - JackRabbit
        
        Nationals role is to trick the productive to continue supporting their fleecing by an increasingly shrill and failing state.
        
        You mean Labour. Labour has put NZ in a$200 Bn hole.
        
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        July 22, 2023 9:53am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Blue on the outside, red/green on the inside? Like a corpse starting to rot.
        
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        July 22, 2023 12:58pm
  - Che Guava
    
    “Racism” is a cynical concept used in bad faith to silence White people. That is it. It doesn’t mean “hate towards person x because of their race y.” Stupid White people think that this is what it means, but they are wrong.
    
    This is why it makes no sense whatsoever to claim that “Maori are racist.” Maybe they have ethnic self-interest at the expense of another ethnic group – but that is not what “racism” means. Put in negative terms, “anti-racism” means White people deferring to brown people. Do you get it yet? If you are White but stick up for your interests as a White person, you are “racist.” It follows that “Maori are racist too” is to make a category mistake.
    
    The word doesn’t have universal application –it only applies to White people. Then you get these idiotic Whites defending themselves against the accusation – it’s an unwinnable defence, because “being White” is identical to “being racist.” “That’s ridiculous, I’m not racist!” you may object – thereby perfectly proving my point that you simply don’t get it.
    
    What’s the solution? Reject the concept and the use of the word. As long as White people buy into it (which is an essential part of the equation), then they’ll always be “racist” and therefore they will get walked all over.
    
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    July 22, 2023 8:55am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Maybe white people should appropriate the word racist and redefine it as to mean someone who likes all races.
      
      Gay and queer used to be insults. Now they are descriptors .
      
      If we can’t win we might as well have a bit of fun anyway .
      
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      July 22, 2023 12:38pm
  - Inandout
    
    Matt, Luxon should wisely keep his powder dry until such time as they win the election and then move on these ridiculous bonuses. Once a Party is in power and have the numbers then they can proceed with urgency to reverse racist legislation.
    
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    July 22, 2023 9:10am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Correct. Luxon is already on record as saying there will be no co-governance of public services, that the Maori Health Authority will be disestablished and that the principle that there is one standard of New Zealand citizenship will be applied.
      
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      July 22, 2023 3:04pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Matt, unfortunately, the racism goes both ways on that blog. Talking of Maori being cannibals 150 years ago is just as racist as the racist Green or the Maori Party.
    
    As annoying as moderation can be at times here it is better than no moderation.
    
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    July 22, 2023 9:18am
    - Che Guava
      
      But it’s a fact that Maori were cannibals pre-colonisation. Facts aren’t racist, they are just facts. Then again, atheists in those days and now can’t consistently critique cannibalism, or make any other moral judgment that isn’t completely subjective, because there is no morality where there is only matter. Thus, eating the meat of a human has to be equivalent to eating the meat of any other animal, unless they want to invoke an immaterial element, in which case they are no longer materialists.
      
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      July 22, 2023 9:28am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Thank you for misrepresenting my position as an atheist so comprehensively. I’m trying to think of ways in which you could be more wrong, but I admit it – I’m stumped.
        
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        July 22, 2023 11:04am
      - NothingLeft
        
        Atheists mostly adopt articles of faith to do with maximizing human happiness and well-being being a good thing, and support rules and structures that promote those outcomes. Ie anthropophilic utilitarianism rather than religious deontology based on insane witterings of millenia dead schizophrenics invoking invented deities and codifying reasonable iron-age economic rules, ignorant health proscriptions and religious hegemonic ambitions along with straight up religious branding weirdness; some lovely examples of which:
        
        If you offer a sacrifice of grain or meat to god, the grain must be in the form of fine flower and have oil seasons added to it and the meat should be salted. (Leviticus 2:1 and 2:13)
        – who knew god was a galloping gourmet??
        
        Don’t let cattle graze with other kinds of Cattle (Leviticus 19:19)
        
        Don’t have a variety of crops on the same field. (Leviticus 19:19)
        
        Don’t wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)
        
        Don’t cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)
        
        Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9)
        
        If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10)
        
        If a man or woman has sex with an animal, both human and animal must be killed. (Leviticus 20:15-16)
        
        If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be “cut off from their people” (Leviticus 20:18)
        
        Psychics, wizards, witches and so on are to be stoned to death. (Leviticus 20:27)
        
        If a priest’s daughter is a whore, she is to be burnt at the stake. (Leviticus 21:9)
        
        People who have flat noses, or are blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)
        
        Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)
        
        Anyone who dreams or prophesies anything that is against God, or anyone who tries to turn you from God, is to be put to death. (Deuteronomy 13:5)
        
        If anyone, even your own family suggests worshipping another God, kill them. (Deuteronomy 13:6-10)
        
        If you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of it’s inhabitants… even the animals. (Deuteronomy 13:12-15)
        
        Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)
        
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        July 22, 2023 1:28pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Old Testament rules which were cancelled 2000 years ago with the advent of the New Testament. Any more pearls of wisdom?
        
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        July 22, 2023 1:45pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        So why is old testament in the bible if it is no longer part of the faith? Is the bible not the word of god? Was evil-monster god of old testament wantonly genociding left and right for not behaving appropriately a fiction? Or do your really believe that’s what actually happened (As proven wrong by whole corpus of archaeology and science)
        
        The bible is the flawed invention of long dead and generally well intentioned religious philosophers. but modern adherents have to manage countless inconsistencies and hypocrisy’s and clear falsehoods due to it being a document 2-3000 years out of date with the times – large swathes that just don’t mesh with our technologic economic and social realities. Homosexuality, slavery, adultery, crime and punishment, patriarchal dominance, creation myths etc etc. Modern christians clearly just cherry pick the bits they like and pretend the awkward repellant stuff doesn’t exist or can be happily ignored.
        
        And then there’s the is question of why god didn’t work to deliver and grant his divine word to the 100 billion humans who lived BC. Why did he allow 10’s of thousand of pantheistic and animistic religions to be founded and promulgated across 200 Millenia when he could have set them right at any point? Extremely patchy care he shows for his loved creations.
        
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        July 22, 2023 3:08pm
      - RichardX
        
        Don believes the 10 commandments no longer apply because “old testament rules were cancelled”
        
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        July 22, 2023 11:51pm
    - CJames
      
      Chuck, there is some racist trolling, but I believe that a lot of the comments about cannibalism are in response to claims that all was sweetness and light in pre-European Maori communities and that it was all destroyed by colonialist oppression. That is the go-to apologia by the Greens and Maori Party, isn’t it?
      
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      July 22, 2023 9:34am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        James, the Greens, MP, and much of Labour are racist. The majority of Maori are not racist. Why blame all Maori for a minority of racist Maori?
        
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        July 22, 2023 5:32pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Talking of Maori being cannibals 150 years ago is just as racist as the racist Green or the Maori Party.
      
      Ah No Chuck. That’s reality. That’s part of history.
      
      As CJames says, any comments you see about it are in response to media and Maori attempts to whitewash the facts.
      
      The same would happen if the media and paid media shills attempted to paint Hitler and the Nazis as the fun loving German equivalent of the Amish.
      
      In all reality, the lands “seized” by the British have been paid for three times over. The Maori elite are trying it on a fourth time.
      
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      July 22, 2023 10:03am
      - Ghost
        
        It may be history but the racism exists in the few that still throw it around today as if it holds any relevance to Māori today.
        
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        July 22, 2023 10:11am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Ghost: “It may be history but the racism exists in the few that still throw it around today as if it holds any relevance to Māori today.”
        
        It very obviously holds relevance when the evils of colonialism are sprayed everywhere in an attempt to guilt/extort modern non-Maori. At the same time the many abominations of pre European Maori society are systematically buried/ignored.
        
        I think you know that.
        
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        July 22, 2023 10:43am
      - Ghost
        
        That’s your way isn’t it. When the evils of colonialism are sprayed by a small minority you’d rather spray negativity back at the majority rather than difuse such talk with the positive outcomes of Maori through colonialism.
        
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        July 22, 2023 10:52am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Nice try Ghost. Only problem with your attempt to squirm out was the inconvenient fact that “the evils of colonialism being sprayed everywhere” is apparent in nearly all of NZs institutions as official truth that must not be challenged.
        
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        July 22, 2023 12:20pm
      - Ghost
        
        And you will lose every time to go up against them and claim well Māori we’re cannibals. If you want fight their negative accusations with further negative then you’ve already lost
        
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        July 22, 2023 12:46pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Ghost
        
        You can’t control what people think or what they like or dislike. That is personal choice.
        
        If your 17 year old daughter is on the dating scene and…
        
        She says no to a really fat dude – No. She is not fat shaming.
        
        If she says no to a 38 year old, is ageist? No.
        
        If she says no to a Maori dude, is she racist? No.
        
        The same goes for employment.
        
        Racism is not about personal choices. It rests on an underlying principle of FORCED segregation or FORCED association. Why by definition, only a government can do.
        
        People have reasons for personal choices. And it is still their choice.
        
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        July 22, 2023 12:42pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        @Ghost Well one obvious benefit was the end of cannibalism and slavery, so there’s that
        
        But you seem to offer the same apologia again and again: Calling on us to judge Māori by the context of the day while disallowing the same mitigation to colonialism
        
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        July 22, 2023 1:39pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        JackRabbit, people are pattern recognising apes. Very hard to force them to un-notice negative patterns. If you lie to them to change their mind they will probably notice and double down.
        
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        July 22, 2023 3:22pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        If ads for accommodation say no Maori need apply is that okay with you?
        
        Ads like that were run in newspapers in the 60s.
        
        Do you remember how racist Pokrhohe was in the 60s and 70s?
        
        Maori do have some legitimate complaints and some that are not.
        
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        July 22, 2023 5:47pm
    - miltonF
      
      By your logic, it would also be racist to claim that some white people historically owned slaves. Actually, it’s a fact, just like the fact that some Maori used to be cannibals. They also had slaves FYI. Often the slaves were dinner.
      
      I think it’s an interesting observation that facts about white history are seen as acceptable, but facts about Maori history are seen as racist. Ironically, it reveals that white people are judged and held to a much higher standard. That white people are “born into sin” for the crimes of their ancestors. But not Māori who did the same or worse?? Or in other words, society is racist towards white people.
      
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      July 22, 2023 1:48pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        It’s tragic that we are all bitching about this stuff. Race should simply be irrelevant in 2023!
        
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        July 22, 2023 3:45pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They will not have forced the World Cup soccer to have Māori only anthem and produce the activist Rino Tanga flag only, question who did force that shit? Remembering of course that blowhard Robertson is sports minister
    
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    July 22, 2023 9:04pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    You need to bluntly ask your local Nats candidate that question.
    
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    July 22, 2023 9:40pm
- Nickc2
  
  Are they going to apply the same logic to waitresses in restaurants who can speak English?
  
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  July 22, 2023 8:35am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “DoC paying bonus of up to $3500 a year for civil servants’ virtual-signaling proficiency”
  
  There.
  Fixed it for you.
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  July 22, 2023 8:57am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Can you provide a link about DoC doing that? It’s pretty much what I’d expect from government depts, but a link would be handy evidence.
    
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    July 22, 2023 5:55pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/doc-paying-controversial-bonus-of-up-to-3500-per-annum-for-civil-servants-maori-language-proficiency/P52S27GAWNCEVEH5OYIGDMH33I/
      
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      July 22, 2023 6:22pm
- Drone
  
  Matt Long you neglected to mention that the payment for maori language proficiency was actually an annual pay rise, and no doubt subject to annual increases, so $3,500 today, an additional 5% next year and so on. Implied in the article is that the annual payment is being paid by a number of other government departments. The state service commission doesn’t appear to know how many and which agencies and I’m sure the PSA won’t tell you. You may mentally wander back to the olden golden days when you acquired skills relating to your actual job that resulted in advancement and additional salary. Now the ability to sing in tune so that your waiata and karakia do not mark you as a racist is as important as your ability to actually do your job.
  
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  July 22, 2023 9:00am
- greybeard
  
  “Starting next year”: so, nothing more than another pathetic attempt to get lefty votes in October.
  It will never come to pass.
  
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  July 22, 2023 9:03am
- surfing
  
  This is so racist.
  
  Maori are more likely to speak their own language, so they’re being paid for being maori!
  
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  July 22, 2023 9:26am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Matt Long – so that’s why they bailed out of a contract with us for essential remedial work in their offices. They cited ‘budget restraints’. Clearly only when it comes to the important stuff!
  
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  July 22, 2023 9:30am
- Ra Henare
  
  It sounds reasonable to be.
  
  Given the level of Maori language ability is at least B2 level. (Preferably Levl C1)
  
  B2
  B2 is an independent user level (advanced or independent)
  
  This means that you have the following capabilities:
  
  Understand the essential content of concrete or abstract subjects in a complex text, including technical discussion in its specialty
  Communicating spontaneously and easily with a native speaker
  Express a clear and detailed opinion on a wide range of topics, express an opinion on a topical issue and set out the advantages and disadvantages of different possibilities
  …….
  Not just some ability to recite Maori jargon.
  
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  July 22, 2023 4:01pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    That’s fine for the individual, Ra: all power to their arm.
    
    But, why should the general taxpayer have to fund the additional salary, when the skill doesn’t add one iota to the ability to do the job?
    
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    July 22, 2023 8:01pm
Bridgenag

Excellent video by Neil Oliver at the end

Friday funnies: The New Liberal Creed –
Neil Oliver calls it: “Buggery and name calling”

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/friday-funnies-the-new-liberal-creed?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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July 22, 2023 8:26am
- Bridgenag
  
  glad I got the two most active trolls today….must be doing something right!
  
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  July 22, 2023 1:37pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

There’s some idiot from the UK named Gaia on Kim Hill’s RNZ show preaching 4 degrees of warming in the next century & how we need to import masses from the Third World to provide us with Labour.

Doesn’t she realise, since each First Worlder consumes much more carbon than each Third Worlder, that her policy will contribute to additional warming (if you believe in that sort of thing)?
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July 22, 2023 8:36am
- Chuck Bird
  
  That is why I said to check out Bjørn Lomborg
  
  Bjørn Lomborg: How rising temperatures will save lives
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwOYjC2IzZc
  
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  July 22, 2023 9:32am
Jack5

What is “generational anger” that Stuff blames for the Auckland shoot-out? The Stuff heading reads:

How ‘generational anger’ led to chaos in down town Auckland

Is this the Woke trying to blame treatment of the shooter’s forebearers for his murders?

Is it just gobbledegook?

Is it a hint for another 20 per cent sentencing discount a re-elected Labour government could direct judges to provide?

Here’s the closest definition of “generational anger” I found on the web (where else?):

By “generational anger,” we are referring to the unhealthy expressions of anger and nonconstructive methods of release that often run in families, while emotional dysregulation describes the difficulty of managing one’s emotions effectively. To understand generational anger, we must first examine the experiences of previous generations.

Just “bad-tempered families”?

Source of he quote on “generational anger”:

https://www.papercranescounseling.com/blog/generational-anger
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July 22, 2023 9:02am
- Ghost
  
  I take generational anger to be that he was raised in a violent household, and he carried that anger and violence on, wasn’t able to break the cycle.
  
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  July 22, 2023 10:59am
  - Taieri
    
    I take generational anger to be that he was raised in a violent household
    ———-
    
    Millions of people went through a very violent 5 years in the German-occupied Europe during the WW2. Even more of them were subjected to violence in the Bolshevik Russia and Maoist China. How did they manage to avoid this “generational anger” to become productive and responsible citizens?
    
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    July 22, 2023 12:21pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Stuff is obviously pulling the “evils of colonialism” schtick. Woketards can’t help it. Can they break the cycle of hardcore woke brainwashing? It’s a hard call.
    
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    July 22, 2023 12:25pm
- PeeJay
  
  Thought that article was a bit weird. Almost like the writer wanted to say something but chickened out behind meaningless waffle.
  
  Haven’t been impressed by the media on this – I wondered whether there would be a bit of a ‘soft focus’ reporting as soon as his apparent race came into play. Certainly seems to be the case so far.
  
  Would be nice if the media started asking some hard questions for once.
  
  Not like they should struggle to put some real questions to the government. Like asking the government how he was able to get a firearm if the arm’s buy back was supposed to make us safer? Or why the judge put him on home D when he clearly was extremely violent and showed no remorse? Are there any plans to make judges accountable? Does the government now concede that reduction in prison numbers can only come through a reduction in crime, not pathetic soft sentencing?
  
  So many hard questions could be asked.But nope. Generational anger it is then.
  
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  July 22, 2023 11:23am
- WaveyDavey
  
  A particularly badly and over written piece that one
  
  A couple of phrases stood out as being truly dreadful
  
  “totems of commercial hubris” – say what?
  “some sleight” – of hand presumably
  
  And this meandering wibble was written by 2 of Stuff’s “senior writers?” FFS
  
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  July 22, 2023 12:12pm
- miltonF
  
  Yes. Wokesters do tend to waffle-on. Here’s a quick translation to save you all some time:
  
  “It’s all why pepos fault!”
  
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  July 22, 2023 1:58pm
sirknz

Too long, didn’t read version is society let him down. Not his family, not his case workers, not his friends, and definitely not himself.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/132588344/how-generational-anger-led-to-chaos-in-down-town-auckland

But reading between the lines, mostly whitey didn’t help enough because this tragic ‘hero’ just needed someone to help him more…
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July 22, 2023 9:06am
- Gravelroad
  
  But according to the article, he had a lot of societal help and attention – far more than most of us ever have/had.
  Some of these “families” might just have to buck up their ideas and start taking some responsibility for the way they treat their kids.
  I don’t think I have ever heard anyone in authority directly call out family violence and neglect – and the ongoing negative impact it has on children.
  It is always someone else’s fault.
  If you have kids, look after them first.
  
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  July 22, 2023 9:57am
- Ghost
  
  Then If you can’t be bothered reading it don’t claim it has things in it that it doesn’t.
  
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  July 22, 2023 10:03am
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/bay-of-plenty/300933023/nzs-fastest-growing-city-has-dead-vibes-in-the-cbd
Well, that will be $306m down the drain.
The anti-car brigade, homeless undesirables and feral ramraiders will ensure that people stay away from the city centres.
Not just in Tauranga.
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July 22, 2023 9:06am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  But but but – surely the bicycle brigade are thronging there to do their in-person shopping? You know, like they said they would?
  
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  July 22, 2023 9:16am
- surfing
  
  They’ve turned the main road (Cameron road) through the city into a construction zone for nearly three years now. Its the worst example of incompetence I’ve seen in any city. Auckland CBD works were bad, this is worse.
  
  They’re not even doing much work, laying some new pipes, and painting the roads so that pedestrians have right of way on the roads now.
  
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  July 22, 2023 9:28am
  - Paulus
    
    Remember in Tauranga the Council is run by Mahuta appointed Commissioners not elected Councillors.
    It has been a disgrace and is an almighty building site with very late delivery because of stuff ups and and mess throughout.
    
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    July 22, 2023 2:06pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Couldn’t agree more Paulus & surfing. Ever since Tolley was appointed commissioner, she has been subservient to Mahuta & embraced & initiated most of the shambles that Tauranga CBD & environs are now – including 3 waters. My son-in-law & daughter own the pharmacy in the CBD, and turnover is down probably 70% on what it was 5 years ago – fortunately with good management it is still quite viable.
      Covid never helped & likewise the insistence on reinforcing/rebuilding earthquake risky buildings – but the whole thing could have been expedited much more efficiently with proper management & supervision.
      And don’t get me started on the Health & Safety requirements – as a retired builder, 50% of the rules are totally unecessary & very expensive.
      
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      July 22, 2023 3:05pm
      - surfing
        
        I can’t stand Tolley. It makes me sick that I have to pay rates to someone whom I can’t vote out.
        
        She puts that Brendan Bisley in charge of roads, and he makes the most awful decisions.
        
        I’d love to see Ann Tolley, Brendan Bisley, and Stephen Town run a council together! Throw in Russ Rimmington of Waikato too while you’re at it, the guy behind the Te Huia train service.
        
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        July 22, 2023 3:56pm
Ipanema69

My pearl of wisdom for the day is never eat at a restaurant run by a skinny chef or live in a country with a fat minister of finance.
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July 22, 2023 9:21am
- Colville
  
  A lot of great chefs are skinny (or at least not fat) as they are hyperactive…
  
  But the other I definitely agree with!
  
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  July 22, 2023 9:55am
- mogg
  
  I would say obese if not morbidly so.
  
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  July 22, 2023 11:08am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What are you trying to tell is?
  
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  July 22, 2023 11:31am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    us* not is. It all looked fine before I posted comment.
    
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    July 22, 2023 5:02pm
- Ghost
  
  Really? So you wouldn’t let Gordon Ramsay cook for you? How about Wolfgang Puck Or Marco Pierre White?
  
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  July 22, 2023 11:36am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    MPW the notorious coke-fiend?
    
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    July 22, 2023 12:54pm
- miltonF
  
  Ouch. So true. My only question is why did the MODS previously block my comment about the finance ministers appearance?
  
  I suppose you could be talking about any finance minister. Clever.
  
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  July 22, 2023 2:05pm
Swifty

And not one mention by RNZ of the misinformation that has poured from this government over the last six years:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/new-category-test/494227/the-dark-shadow-of-disinformation-cast-over-our-election

Nice too of Spoonley to label all those opposed to co-governance as racists. That’s the real cherry on the top.

That’s misinformation right there.
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July 22, 2023 9:34am
ClanMcleod

So apparently it isn’t just a New Zealand problem……

Being Against Crime Added To List Of Things That Are Racist

The inimitable Babylon Bee strikes again!

https://babylonbee.com/news/being-against-crime-added-to-list-of-things-that-are-racist
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July 22, 2023 9:36am
artemisia

Nigel Farage and Coutts Bank turning into quite the stoush. Seems there is a Facebook page with thousands of members also booted out. They are mobilising….but probably not intending to go back.
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July 22, 2023 9:40am
- Inandout
  
  art, yes very messy and apparently Coutts are normally publicity shy. The woman who concocted the ‘explanation’ letter to Nigel is inclusive and makes sure Coutts comply with woke rules. I am glad many MPs on both sides have condemned this type of account cancelling, especially when the bank is partly owned by taxpayers.
  
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  July 22, 2023 10:05am
  - mogg
    
    Coutts had to reveal their 40 page dossier on Farage, which was taken mostly from social media sites and left wing activists, most of it lies.
    This is a strong indication of how small groups of hard left activists an their financiers are able to change society and circumvent democracy, while the vast majority of people strongly disagree.
    Despite the apology Farage is not finished with this and has further SAR in to uncover who
    “The SAR [subject access request] that has just gone into NatWest is to see if Alison Rose’s fingerprints are anywhere near this — if so, there will be hell to pay.”
    
    He added: “If she has behaved in that way, then — and only then — would her position become wholly untenable.”
    
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    July 22, 2023 11:37am
  - Paulus
    
    Coutts is owned by Natwest Bank and overall is run like many of our banks a women.
    
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    July 22, 2023 2:08pm
- kevn
  
  art… https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2023/07/22/coutts-the-laughs-keep-coming/#more-23308
  
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  July 22, 2023 10:13am
- JimBobJoe
  
  Coutts bank a wholly own subsidiary of NatWest Group which is 42% owned by Her Majestys Treasury.
  
  Farage has been knifed by Left wing activists and the the standing Public Service Bureaucracy (arms lengthen knifing by Civil Servants pissed about Brexit)
  
  People should be very concerned by this tactic of attacking non Left wing adherents via major institutions both public and private.
  
  I hate to say it but pushing people constantly like this is obviously meant to provoke violence so a martial law scenario can be enacted.
  
  Our global elites like the WEF and others, would like nothing more than being able to fully seize power via suppression of violence or another pandemic. The same seize power plan based on a manufactured crisis under the preserving public order and safety….
  
  What I find funny is the grassroot Left activist draws no knowledge from history. The first thing the new overlords do when the replaced elite are liquidated, is liquidate the grassroot activists as well as they have served their purpose and form a residual core able to coordinate opposition to the new elite.
  
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  July 22, 2023 12:59pm
CJames

This monologue by Neil Oliver is well worth listening to. Calling out the hypocrisy of the elites.
https://youtu.be/pwrUf0EHknc
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July 22, 2023 9:44am
- Ruahine
  
  Neil Oliver mentions the movie Sound of Freedom which is really upsetting the the Media and other Elites in the US. It is about the trafficking of children. A lot about this on You Tube and other outlets.
  
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  July 22, 2023 1:12pm
ClanMcleod

Embedding racism in law.

From The Brownstone Institute:

In my previous article, I noted the curious historical juxtaposition that ten days before the US Supreme Court struck down race-based affirmative action policies in university admissions, Australia’s Parliament approved holding a referendum to re-racialize the Constitution. It will do so by inserting a new chapter to give to Aborigines rights of representations that are not available to any other group.

The Constitution Alteration Bill authorises a referendum, expected to be held in October.

At least Australia is having a referendum. In NZ, it is being rammed down our throats and any resistance is called ‘racist’. The irony being, what is happening is the most racist thing to ever happen in the country.

https://brownstone.org/articles/australia-moves-to-re-racialize-constitution/
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July 22, 2023 9:48am
Ghost

Tony Bennett has died, 96 years, an amazing career.

Tony Bennett – Fly Me to the Moon
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July 22, 2023 9:57am
- mogg
  
  Tony Bennett & Amy Winehouse: ‘Body & Soul’
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QCIrtOR0aKc&pp=ygUkdG9ueSBiZW5uZXR0IGFteSB3aW5laG91c2UgcmVhY3Rpb24g
  
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  July 22, 2023 11:03am
Warren

Can anyone back up Claire Trevett insinuations that is time for National to fly the white flag in its war with Act.
Then why is Maiki Sherman trying to use a Verian Poll to try and swing the Election race between the Parties when she knows Nationals position, “?Nationals position is really clear, we don’t believe in Co- Governance of the public service, we believe we are one Country “. National Leader Chris Luxon said.
“I’ve acknowledged this in the whole time that I have been Prime Minister , that we need to make sure we are bringing people along with us”. Prime Minister Chris Hipkins said.
The Question in the latest poll asked
“Do you believe race relations are getting worse or better or staying about the same in New Zealand?”.
Act Party Leader David Seymour said his Party are not part of the problem, instead pointing to Labour and Te Pati Maori.
just this week Act Party media release was headlined: ” Labour asks Pharmacists to racially profile”.
Maori Development Minister Willie Jackson hit back at the critisizem.
The Act Party continue to lie, the ACT Party continue to lie about the Treaty he said.
Te Pati Maori Co Leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packeralso rejected the claiming was to blame.
“It’s really difficult for any minority to be considered racist”, she said
If this is not trying to sway the public and make Maori a major and racism a majority for the Election I don’t know what’s and what Maiki Sherman is herself playing Racism, so why do we continue to make under 16% of the population hard done by in a multinational population.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/07/21/poll-country-divided-on-race-relations/
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July 22, 2023 10:02am
- Flossie
  
  It’s been obvious since the first time I ever saw Maiki Sherman that she has an agenda and she’s not shy about showing it.
  
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  July 22, 2023 11:39am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Act is the one performing the war, it’s as clear as a bell, we have foot soldiers here, I have never heard once Nats rubbishing ACT, but oh I have heard ACT rubbish Nats
  
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  July 22, 2023 9:09pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/wow-electoral-commission-moves-to-shut-down-julian-batchelors-booklet/

I thought these people were meant to be Politically Neutral. Kristina Temal is not neutral. The booklet is not advertising! Without a promoter statement in breach of election advertising rules. Electoral Commission had a complaint about the booklet. Who complained? Elite Maori imo.
This was always coming, I knew it. Don’t think for one minute Julian is not aware of a Govt entity raising it’s ugly head. He knew!
The Electoral Commission wants a written response by Friday 28th July. I say ignore it, let them stew.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Complaint-about-apparent-breach-of-the-Electoral-Act-please-respond-by-5pm-28-July.pdf
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July 22, 2023 10:34am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Our NZ Government and entities are infested with the ‘cancel culture’ brigade. If you don’t agree, shut it down (all the time preserving free speech)
  The Free Speech Union will be on to this. I will make sure by sending today’s Stop Co-Governance to them.
  
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  July 22, 2023 10:41am
surfing

I was reading this about the shooter….explaining the factors used in sentencing criminals…
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/explainer-how-auckland-gunman-matu-reid-was-considered-low-risk-of-reoffending/5QIWCCXQHBDSDFAINWGQVOCRAY/

This part caught my attention…
“The violence against his ex-partner was horrible but, sadly, it was not out of place in the context of New Zealand’s appalling domestic violence landscape. There is nothing stand-out about Reid in that regard.”

In other words, serious domestic violence is so common in New Zealand, everyone would be going to prison. Domestic violence is normal.

If that is the case, my view is we need more prisons!
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July 22, 2023 10:37am
- Ghost
  
  Was it his ex partner? I read it was just a lady who took him in to give him a second chance
  
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  July 22, 2023 10:38am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yes, .. I have also seen 2 versions of who it was that he strangled..
    
    I think the spin is starting to revolve very fast around this tragedy.
    
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    July 22, 2023 10:55am
    - Ghost
      
      I’m a bit argh at the reporting. Stuff talking about there is a photo of him holding a certificate and a hand in the photo, it could be a mother or it could be a partner. The article is more millss and boon than journalism.
      
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      July 22, 2023 11:04am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      I would like to know if meth was involved.
      
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      July 22, 2023 12:46pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The woman in CHCh missing will be dead. What’s the bet it turns out again someone who should be on remand rather than bale for serious violence offences
      
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      July 22, 2023 9:12pm
Diogenes

* If there is no self, whose arthritis is this?

Just one of the aphorisms from someone who calls himself the Jewish Buddha. Whoever… he looks at Buddhist teachings from a Jewish perspective, and the result is hilarious.

You can find more of them at https://www.facebook.com/jan.d.hutchins/posts/pfbid023nVTNLosEDuhyt8oNgH7hrGMRUyC4jkJhJXXEu75N6jKjFQKQR5Z18dTHHTDNL6Bl

(And don’t say I didn’t warn you! But I’m grateful for some warming up on a cold, wet midwinter’s day.)
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July 22, 2023 10:54am
Benedict Yu

I hope that this missing Christchurch woman is found safe and well. However her cellphone was found on the verge of the southern motorway several kilometres from where she was last seen. Not a good sign 😢

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/132595974/worried-friend-spoke-to-missing-woman-on-phone-after-last-sighting
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July 22, 2023 11:28am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Mate she will be gone, what is it’s another on bale instead of remand god serious assault
  
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  July 22, 2023 9:14pm
ClanMcleod

If you don’t read anything else today, please, please read this and watch the video it links to. It is only 6 minutes long.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/how-can-these-celebrity-jab-fanatics-live-with-themselves/

IF YOU haven’t seen the remarkable short film, UK Covid – 1984 Step 4 – The Unvaccinated, released a few days ago, you must. It is the most recent in a series of four released on Twitter and YouTube by Gain of Function and described as an ‘alternative peek into some dubious science and some possible origins’. You can find all four here.

It’s a powerful and disconcerting document of the propaganda and bullying we were all exposed to which deserves a wider audience than it appears to have received so far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py6j0i-A4ek

It is quite difficult to believe that the actuality included really did come from 2021, and was not compiled from footage from 1938. Nor is it (except for a short clip with John Hurt from the film 1984) from a film based on fiction. What I saw were not actors but politicians, public servants, broadcasters and the public. And yes, these people – Esther Rantzen, Iain Dale, Tony Blair, Edwina Currie, Boris Johnson, Nick Ferrari, Jonathan Van-Tam, Jeremy Vine and Andrew Neil – really did say and write these things.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/how-can-these-celebrity-jab-fanatics-live-with-themselves/

Exactly the same thing happened in New Zealand. ‘Anti vaxxers’ were abused, vilified and threatened. Deplatformed, thrown out of their jobs, lost their businesses, were prevented from seeing dying loved ones. Lost friendships and relationships. Were prevented from getting home to their own country and locked in quarantine camps when they did so.

All of it based on at best, a completely flawed narrative, in actual fact, more than likely a fraudulent narrative. None of it based on real science, not a single shred of it.

Watch this, then come back and tell me and others to ‘get over it’, ‘it’s all over’, ‘forget about it’, ‘move on’.
Watch this, then talk to your local MP and ask them why they have disgustingly chosen to ignore these many, many thousands of people.

If you haven’t watched the video then don’t dare complain when these people refuse to give you their vote at the election. If you have watched it, explain to me and others why the fuck we should ever support people who did this to innocent people and the other parties who’s only comment on the who disgraceful episode is that they would have done it better!

Yes, National and Act. Talking to you and your ardent supporters. Watch this and tell me again to ‘move on’. This happened. Pretending it didn’t and hoping everyone else does too is not going to happen.
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July 22, 2023 11:35am
- Matt Long
  
  From the video; BoJo of the lockdown parties condemning the unvaccinated as dangerous, very ironic.
  I recently heard of a friend who died after getting the vaccine due to family pressure, driven by the same sort of disinformation as shown in the video.
  
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  July 22, 2023 12:40pm
- Bridgenag
  
  I send this sort of stuff to the politicians campaigning for my money…. let all do it
  
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  July 22, 2023 1:42pm
- Keith White
  
  Yes. Never forgive, never forget.
  
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  July 22, 2023 7:02pm
Swifty

A particularly low-calorie piece of fluff from RNZ on political slogans:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/the-detail/story/2018899191/the-zing-zazz-factor-in-a-slogan

It’s made me wonder though at the thoughts now of those whizz kids who thought up “Let’s do this” for Labour and Ardern a few years back.

Let’s do what exactly? Divide the country? Wreck the economy? Drive massive increases in house prices and rental costs? Smash educational attendance and achievement? Drive the health system into the ground? Inflict chaos on the polytechs? Bring racial discrimination into our laws and civil institutions? Preside over an explosion in crime?

What must they be thinking now?

If it is the same people who have just come up with “We’re in it for you” I suggest they’ve learned not a damn thing and are still delighting, revelling, in their cynicism and deceit.
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July 22, 2023 12:06pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  In another age, these people would be tarred and feathered 🙂
  
  Hansard 10 May 2018
  
  Hon JENNY SALESA: On behalf of the Minister of Housing and Urban Development, what that statement means is that the $2 billion [for Kiwibuild] on its own will have to be recycled over and over again, and we will be partnering with iwi, we will be partnering with private developers, to ensure that we build affordable homes. We are in a national housing crisis right now that was built over nine years of that Government. We are very committed to building houses and to housing New Zealanders.”
  
  “…On behalf of the Minister of Housing and Urban Development, this Government is committed and will be building 100,000 affordable homes over 10 years. We will be partnering with developers to ensure that that happens. This Government will be partnering with iwi, and we will make sure that houses are built…… “
  
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  July 22, 2023 12:33pm
  - Swifty
    
    One of the greatest, most cynical deceits ever perpetuated on New Zealanders in our history.
    
    And just as telling for me was the slimy, dishonest way they tried to talk themselves out of it once it became abundantly clear their KiwiBuild targets would never be met.
    
    Never once, to my knowledge, did they ever just front up and say “We cocked up there. We overpromised and underdelivered and not only do we apologise we also promise never to do it again.”
    
    Not once. Not even close.
    
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    July 22, 2023 1:03pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      We overpromised and underdelivered and not only do we apologise we also promise never to do it again.
      
      Swifty, you’re being very unfair on the government. As we all know, politicians never apologise (unless forced to do so by the Privileges Committee). Just imagine the Opposition’s response if Phil Twyford had apologised for the singular failure that was KiwiBuild. They would have ridiculed him, then mocked him (and the government) for months on end, if not right up to the upcoming election. And it won’t change following the change of government in October (yes, you read that correctly) – that’s a certainty.
      
      The problem is not a lack of contrition (by successive governments, going way, way, back). The problem is the adversarial, Westminster system our politicians labour under. It encourages “corrosive” politics, and should be done away with, just like our adversarial system of justice should be done away with (in favour of the French inquisitorial system).
      
      Our system of politics should be replaced by a better version of the “collegial” Swiss system. Just for my own interest, I have been working on such a better version for several years. Our system will never change, of course, certainly not in my lifetime, but it’s fun trying to develop (what I consider to be) a better system, anyway.
      
      Following the change of government, it’s going to be very interesting to see how Kiwibloggers respond to the failures of the next government. Sadly, I expect to see Kiwibloggers twist themselves inside out – e.g., “it will take many years to correct the previous government’s many, egregious, failures” – as they attempt to explain and justify the NACT government’s failures (of which there will be many). Even more sadly, Kiwibloggers will still be doing that, unrelentingly, during that government’s fourth term.
      
      Ah, well. Such is life.
      
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      July 22, 2023 2:47pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “Sadly, I expect to see Kiwibloggers twist themselves inside out ….”
        
        Not me.
        
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        July 22, 2023 2:50pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @Benedict Yu @ 2:50PM
        
        I believe you.
        
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        July 22, 2023 3:03pm
      - Warren
        
        Would it be any different to your political drivel Steve.
        
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        July 22, 2023 3:30pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        To what, exactly, are you referring, Warren?
        
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        July 22, 2023 3:46pm
      - Swifty
        
        All good points Steve.
        
        But, like BY, my days of partisan cheerleading are over.
        
        I’m far, far more concerned these days with what’s right, not who’s right.
        
        I look around New Zealand today and see the terrible effects of bad central government policy and actions everywhere – and with both major parties to blame. Perhaps not to blame equally, but both must carry that can.
        
        As long as I’m upright I’ll continue to advance the ideas I think are right and will do my best, in my very small way, to use evidence and facts in an attempt to convince others.
        
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        July 22, 2023 5:26pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @Swifty @ 5:26PM
        
        But, like BY, my days of partisan cheerleading are over.
        
        Given that people like you and Benedict are very clearly in the top, say, 10% of Kiwibloggers, when it comes to intelligence / general and political knowledge – I reckon I’m in the top 50% – I’m very pleased to know that, Swifty.
        
        Fascinating times ahead.
        
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        July 22, 2023 6:05pm
Swifty

Maaaaaaaate!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JCYLiggS7do

How to defeat ‘toxic masculinity’.
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July 22, 2023 12:25pm
Chuck Bird

MTG

Marjorie Taylor Greene Showcases Explicit Hunter Biden Laptop Photos At IRS Whistleblower Hearing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYIgmfMgp58
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July 22, 2023 12:34pm
Warren

Chris Luxon was obviously a hit in Tauranga but I wonder what the haters on Kiwiblog will have to say.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/election-2023-christopher-luxon-qa-in-tauranga-delivers-serious-policy-with-a-side-of-humour/UTQ7JKR62FHANM56KA7KI5XI6I/
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July 22, 2023 12:36pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes, just another show of support for Nats.
  
  Apparently Emma Chatteron is getting huge support against Hipkins in Remutaka, she went door knocking with Erica Stanford and found that neatly everyone supported Emma, snd no support for the nasty vile little pm
  
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  July 22, 2023 9:23pm
Matt Long

Taxpayers Union, $44,000.00 to have a knees up at the Warkworth motorway and claim credit for Joyce’s work seems cheap compared with other government waste.
By my estimate that’s 10, 000 sausage rolls, I wonder who got the leftovers?
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July 22, 2023 1:06pm
Jack5

Many big American companies are axing diversity posts, reports the Wall Street Journal:

“Companies including Netflix, Disney and Warner Bros. Discovery have recently said that high-profile diversity, equity and inclusion executives will be leaving their jobs. Thousands of diversity-focused workers have been laid off since last year, and some companies are scaling back racial justice commitments.”

The newspaper says some “chief diversity officers’ say their work is facing additional scrutiny since the Supreme Court struck down affirmative action in college admissions and companies brace for potential legal challenges. DEI [Diversity, equity, and inclusion]work has also become a political target.
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July 22, 2023 1:25pm
- Ghost
  
  I’m not sure how some of these companies can turn back what they have lost. I have heard that bud light recently was the main sponsor for WWE wrestling and people turned on WWE because of it
  
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  July 22, 2023 1:39pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  COSTCO are no longer stocking Bud Light as no one wants to buy it.
  
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  July 22, 2023 2:01pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    They’re no longer stocking caskets either…
    
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    July 22, 2023 3:11pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Heh, heh, I’ll give you that one, Tony.
      
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      July 22, 2023 3:16pm
surfing

This is an insane story…
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/racial-bias-in-paediatrics-exam-favours-white-candidates-doctors-claim-college-of-physicians-investigates-pass-rates/NF4UIUXR35CRNM4JGGPBCTBOFE/

“Within the Auckland clinical examination candidates, having reviewed the data for the past five years, the overall chance of passing the examination on the first attempt for a non-Caucasian candidate is 40 per cent. This is increased to 93 per cent for a Caucasian candidate.”

Of course, Maori failure rates have nothing to do with the fact that Maori get a free pass into Med School with minimal consideration of their academic ability.

The obvious solution is not to test Maori!
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July 22, 2023 1:32pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The chances of being shot are rather high if you live over on the East Coast…

There have been 115 shootings in the Eastern District in the last 3 years…. thirty people wounded and 2 women killed.

and surprise, surprise… It’s most unlikely to be a conspiracy theorist firing the weapon.

Nearly all have been gang-related and have involved illegal firearms.

https://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/mob-couple-sentenced-for-murder
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July 22, 2023 1:49pm
- Ghost
  
  The weird thing is we hardly ever hear about the violence there
  
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  July 22, 2023 2:01pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Outa sight, outa mind…
    
    And surprise, surprise… We have 3 Wahine MPs in this District…and not a word from them against this gang violence… or repeated violence against females.
    
    https://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/man-jailed-after-ninth-family-harm-incident
    
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    July 22, 2023 2:17pm
    - Ghost
      
      Give kiri time, she will tell them to behave….
      
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      July 22, 2023 2:24pm
    - CJames
      
      From what has been reported and gossiped about, maybe the local MPs have been instigators of violence against women.
      
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      July 22, 2023 2:55pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        That is a fact, and apparently it was a shocking beating
        
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        July 22, 2023 9:26pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      That’s shocking, isn’t it. I would hazard a guess that those three MPs share iwi links with most of the victimised women, and still they won’t stand up and speak out against the offenders – with many of whom they will also share iwi links.
      
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      July 22, 2023 8:15pm
- CJames
  
  And I would bet that none of those shooters was a registered gun owner.
  
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  July 22, 2023 2:04pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Reporting it is not honouring (latter day made up) treaty “principles” so reporting it is verbotten?
  
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  July 22, 2023 7:10pm
- mtamati
  
  Notice one of the murderers sporting a crucifix. They all find god just before sentencing and can be seen carrying bibles into the courtroom for it. It’s called hedging your bets. After they get sent down, the bible is in the bin and there’s no need for the cross adornment.
  
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  July 22, 2023 7:42pm
Swifty

Did men do any housework in early ‘80s England?

https://fb.watch/lWYA2UTVS8/?mibextid=v7YzmG

😃
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July 22, 2023 2:03pm
Maggie Pie

I am feeling sooo stuffed.
Only just back from an amazing birthday lunch at the Viaduct. My doubles-partner turned 50 yesterday.

Interesting to see that Jack Brazil has resurfaced as well…..

https://twitter.com/what_the_jack94/status/1682283832534532099
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July 22, 2023 2:20pm
- Ghost
  
  I’d love to know the rest of that story
  
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  July 22, 2023 2:23pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    OK…as much as I can remember.
    We started with champagne cocktails.
    Then made our way thru a selection of everything from Oyster Shots, Cervche, Crispy Calamari, Duck with roast plums, Tiger Prawns, Cray 2 ways, Fries, and followed by Petit Fours. All washed down with bottomless glasses of Bolly for six. Then an Uber home.
    God knows what I’m preparing for dinner.
    
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    July 22, 2023 3:07pm
    - Ghost
      
      Uber? No helipad?
      
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      July 22, 2023 3:18pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Hope you didn’t chunder in the uber!
      
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      July 22, 2023 3:27pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Wouldn’t have been the first by the look of the mats 🙁
        
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        July 22, 2023 3:34pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Bring a greenie, it probably has something to do with a drug deal gone wrong
    
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    July 22, 2023 9:28pm
NZer In Exile

Went to one of the big supermarket chains this morning. ONLY facial recognition self checkout was available. Depressing stuff.
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July 22, 2023 2:53pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  How depressing must it be OWNING a supermarket these days….
  
  https://twitter.com/detectclips/status/1682152510385946625
  
  [Mod – link doesn’t work Maggie]
  
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  July 22, 2023 3:32pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Had a look at that “detectclips” thing on twitter. Now THAT is depressing. A great way to lose your faith in humanity! Bloody hell.
    
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    July 22, 2023 6:18pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Hear they’re already shopping in ‘onesies’ & bare feet out South Auckland…..
      only a matter of time till they go full-commando 🙁
      
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      July 22, 2023 6:40pm
NZer In Exile

Anyone else here fairly security/privacy conscious and try to use Signal messenger as much as possible for comms?

I find it incredibly hard to get people interested in using this stuff. There are a handful, which is good, but many proudly and smugly cling to facebook and whatsapp (not to mention all the other highly insecure and/or non-private methods). Go figure!
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July 22, 2023 2:56pm
- Diogenes
  
  I was introduced to Signal as part of a group that prefers its privacy abilities to those of the commonly used systems. However, it’s not the easiest system to use, and lacks some of the facility of others, so I stick with ordinary texts when privacy is not an issue.
  
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  July 22, 2023 4:40pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Yeah I can live with the very small number of minor annoyances with Signal. For me it’s more than good enough. Especially since it is by many accounts the gold standard of private and secure messaging. But unfortunately most people are sucked in by the shiny “convenience” baits that draw them into the surveillance capitalism web of nefarious privacy abuse. One little inconvenience and these people delete Signal. The trouble is, them using these big tech spyware platforms (eg big tech email) to communicate with me compromises my privacy and security as well!
    
    Ordinary text messages and phone calls are apparently mined, cataloged, profiled and sold to data brokers as well (by the mobile/telephone service provider).
    
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    July 22, 2023 6:06pm
sirknz

Why would you start in the latest year then work backwards?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300932839/noticeable-increase-in-gang-and-drug-related-gunshot-wounds-ed-doctor-says

So you can use the word ‘decreased’ because the other way around would force you to say ‘increased’.

Here is an example of the fuckery from the ‘article’:

“The numbers decreased for every year prior, with 11 male patients and fewer than five females with gunshot wounds in Auckland Hospital and fewer than five males at Starship Hospital in 2018.”

This is just a clumsy way to present bad stats that make the government look bad. This why most people do not like or trust journalists.
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July 22, 2023 3:31pm
Sparrow

What I have found interesting over recent time with regard to predicting the election outcome is the slump in support over the years for the two major parties. This trend ofcourse is from polls so how accurate are those only time will tell. Presumably with both majors in the low 30% this is the hard core supporters of each party which is unlikely to change unless a disaster occurs for one of them. So there is a large part of the electorate who don’t know, supporting minor parties, or are turned off by all of them.(that includes me) Fascinating stuff could end up with any scenario in October. Would suggest have your bags packed !
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July 22, 2023 4:23pm
Diogenes

I’ve been a supporter for some time of Hobson’s Pledge and their fight to maintain equality for all races. So it’s with more than a little surprise I have just received an email from spokesperson Casey Costello announcing that he’s ceasing that position in order to stand for parliament under the NZ First banner. I really don’t know what to make of this. While I agree with much that Winston says, I have severe reservations about his inclination to recant when the rubber hits the road. I seriously wonder how much Casey can hold Winston to his campaign stances (I suspect very little). I would have thought Casey had achieved more with Hobson’s Pledge than he will as part of NZF. Oh dear…. what to think?
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July 22, 2023 4:37pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Casey is a she, not a he.
  
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  July 22, 2023 5:04pm
miltonF

Apparently it’s a record breaking year for temperature records. Highest average temps for the last 100,000yrs they say. It’s a strange statistic to use in an attempt to support global warming theory. In my eyes that tells me that the last 99,999yrs have been colder than 100,000yrs ago? That the climate over the period has been TRENDING COOLER, and that this year is an outlier and unusually warm.

Do we have any theories on why that could be? My theory is that we have unusually high atmospheric moisture levels. I’ve never seen such a wet year in my life. We all know that an overcast night is much much warmer than a clear cloudless night.
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July 22, 2023 4:44pm
- All_on_Red
  
  This from last October might explain about the extra moisture. Pretty accurate prediction as it turned out..
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDQ-EfqTViM
  
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  July 22, 2023 6:07pm
Maggie Pie

This is absolutely COMEDY GOLD 😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/JustStopOil/status/1682083777781149697
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July 22, 2023 4:48pm
- Ghost
  
  And and I don’t know what will happen but grandad will be there to look after him tonight and I won’t be there to cook so they will have to buy fish n chips, but I was trying to save the fish in the pond….
  
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  July 22, 2023 4:59pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Sounds like she has a good handle on the climate situation!
    
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    July 22, 2023 6:23pm
miltonF

Labour have no principles:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/132584954/janet-wilson-labour-tramples-its-principles-in-a-grab-for-the-centre-vote

The comments are scathing. I think I’ve nearly finished my bag of popcorn already! Labour have somehow managed to alienate their own supporters along with the rest of us. They. Are. Done.
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July 22, 2023 5:58pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Stuff are allowing comments? Holy smokes!
  
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  July 22, 2023 6:24pm
Ghost

Love him or hate him, he is one of the few that can read the feelings of the nation. But it would go the same way as removing the Māori seats, will never happen.

Scrapping the Waitangi Tribunal and building a prison just for gang members are among some of the policy proposals New Zealand First members have voted in favour of.

It comes as the spokeswoman of lobby group Hobson’s Pledge, Casey Costello, confirms she will run as NZ First’s candidate in the Port Waikato electorate.

An estimated 200 people packed into the Holiday Inn Auckland Airport function room today for NZ First’s annual convention, ahead of the party’s campaign launch at Mt Smart Stadium tomorrow.

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July 22, 2023 7:34pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Their annual convention can only get 200 people, yet they are trying to suggest all their meeting’s have close to a 1000, I call bullshit
  
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  July 22, 2023 9:33pm
Scooter

Italy knows what a woman is.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/miss-italy-wont-allow-transgender-competitors-must-woman-birth-1814593%3famp=1
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