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NeverMindTheBollocks

No mention of Reid’s iwi affiliations, I see

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300932107/auckland-cbd-shooter-what-we-know-about-matu-reid
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July 21, 2023 8:01am
- Random T Person
  
  Such a good point. Whenever we get some bollocks about do gooders it’s all Ngati Thisthat and Hapu Whatwhat. Let’s be consistent now, and append the same lineage highlights to every Maori in the news.
  
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  July 21, 2023 8:55am
  - Grumpy Silver Haired Female
    
    and how about recognition of non-Maori tribes?
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:28am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Negative Pakeha?⁹
      
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      July 21, 2023 2:28pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That got changed on me – spell check I guess.
        Dunno what the 9 is?
        Anyway, what I meant was Ngati Pakeha, as a non-Maori Tribe
        
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        July 21, 2023 4:45pm
    - Countrygirl
      
      I am Saxon, Cantiaci, Iceni. I expect I’d be laughed at if I put that. But I am proud of my roots. It’s not just Maori who can skite about where they came from.
      
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      July 21, 2023 4:55pm
  - I remember when
    
    Should there have been a ‘family conference’ prior to things reaching this point.
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:42am
    - rouppe
      
      I read recently that victims are generally not present at Family Group Conferences.
      
      I was astonished. I thought they were there for the offender to meet the victim and gain some insight, apologise, and for the victim to get some sense of agency, and remorse (or not) from the offender.
      
      Now it seems it’s just a “johnny is a good boy, it’s all because our benefit isn’t enough”
      
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      July 21, 2023 10:12am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I think you mean a “Restorative Justice Conference”
        
        https://www.justice.govt.nz/courts/criminal/charged-with-a-crime/how-restorative-justice-works/
        
        Quite different from a Family group conference.
        
        https://practice.orangatamariki.govt.nz/our-work/interventions/family-group-conferencing/
        
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        July 21, 2023 12:17pm
      - peterwn
        
        I am not surprised. I had to attend a family group conference following a break in of our work premises. The little s**t responsible dis not even turn up – we was glue sniffing somewhere. He had a list a mile long including stealing a Ministerial car and crashing it into a wall. A researcher contacted me and asked if she could attend and I said I had no objection. At the Conference some Maori woman relative went on an ego trip and said she was not welcome and she had to leave. If I was there on my own behalf I would have torn strips off her then walked out.
        
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        July 21, 2023 2:08pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      I heard from a robbery victim many years ago that family conferences generally have the effect of spitting in the faces of victims and leaving them pissed off and astonished at the pointlessness of it all.
      
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      July 21, 2023 10:21pm
- Ruahine
  
  Ngati Pakeha.
  
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  July 21, 2023 8:58am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Yeah … nah
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:13am
  - rouppe
    
    Pakeha is a term applied by Maori, without my consent.
    
    I do not identify with that term, and do not want it applied to me.
    
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    July 21, 2023 10:14am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      rouppe bro – since when your consent mattered in this country?
      
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      July 21, 2023 11:34am
- James Stephenson
  
  Word on the (construction industry) street is that he was sacked the day before…
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:40am
  - Dougal10
    
    If he was sacked then the ankle monitoring system doesn’t have the out , that it was an approved trip. Also shouldn’t they be able to track him picking up the gun from somewhere.
    
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    July 21, 2023 12:30pm
    - Ghost
      
      Depends if they were advised he was sacked.
      
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      July 21, 2023 12:53pm
- Simon
  
  MSM have really got their jollies over this one. They are getting off on it bigly.
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:42am
NeverMindTheBollocks

RNZ reports 60+ approved immigrant employment firms are dumping the migrants almost as soon as they arrive.

I’ll bet the traditional chocolate fish that the overwhelming majority of these firms are run by people from the same country as those being shat upon – and most of them immigrants themselves.

Another failed policy from Labour.
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July 21, 2023 8:02am
- Cassandra
  
  And we need 35 more taxi drivers and 27 dishwashers I suppose? Actually we probably do while the nephs are still on the couch.
  
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  July 21, 2023 8:46am
  - pdm
    
    Cass anyone that thought Shane Jones’ nephs were ever going to get off the couch and take a job were deluded.
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:03am
- Simon
  
  “dumping the migrants”
  
  Auckland residential construction has crashed.
  
  Good news for residential construction is on the way though. Blue Labo intends to bring in 100,000 pa from the third world into NZ. (50,000 net and 50,000 to cover those leaving NZ)
  
  This will help create demand for goods and services (housing!) and cure inflation according to the neolib globalist clown show Blue labo aka National.
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:03am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    And you have a problem with progress fFS? The problem is Labour slammed the door shut on migrant workers, nurses, doctors, farm staff, fruit pickers, all to the detriment of the economy, if you are one of those fools that thinks we can fill the skilled jobs by our self, then I guess you are yellow Lab, because that was Mike Woods policy, just lie about the staff required coming in.
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:18am
    - Taieri
      
      The problem is Labour slammed the door shut on migrant workers, nurses, doctors, farm staff, fruit pickers, all to the detriment of the economy
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      The problem is all these people need an infrastructure. They, and everybody else can’t exist without it.
      The NZ population has increased by about 40 % in the last 30 years. There’s no corresponding expansion of infrastructure. That’s why the health system collapsed and that’s why there’s a housing shortage.
      
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      July 21, 2023 10:26am
      - Jack5
        
        🙃 Giant, the C from Dunedin’s …Labour slammed the door shut on migrant workers, nurses, doctors, farm staff, fruit pickers …
        
        Wasn’t this the Covid shutdown when NZ v closed the borders as well as the economy?
        
        Where was National on this policy? I don’t remember them opposing the Big Shutdown.
        
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        July 21, 2023 10:37am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Infrastructure is not the issue I am making, my point is again what he calls blue Labour is bullshit, he clearly doesn’t want immigration, my point was he snd Labour are on the same page, again he is wrong snout Bats bring on the same page, this crap these fools spout is actually starting to hurt the chances of replace the worst government in history
        
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        July 21, 2023 10:43am
      - mawm
        
        G – he doesn’t need to sprout anything to hurt the chances – you are doing enough on your own. He’s incessantly pointing out that Luxon by courting the centre left at the expense of the centre right is not going to get him elected. The polls show that.
        
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        July 21, 2023 12:31pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    [Mod – cut out the personal abuse]
    
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    July 21, 2023 10:19am
- I remember when
  
  I’d bet a sausage roll, that most people have little to no idea of the amount of debt incurred by visa migrants.
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:46am
  - Jack5
    
    From one notorious example in Christchurch …
    
    In a trial for the murder of a spouse, it emerged that the husband had borrowed a million dollars in China to meet the NZ “entrepreneur-investor” visa requirements, then repaid it a few years later – from NZ.
    
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    July 21, 2023 10:40am
- all true
  
  Labour failed everywhere, the only parts which they haven’t failed in increasing several taxes, dropping the prison population.
  
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  July 21, 2023 10:14am
Mike

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What a magnificent start to the World Cup!
Well done to the team and to the huge crowd of supporters. The perfect beginning for our most massive sporting event so far.
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July 21, 2023 8:04am
- CJames
  
  You mean getting more popular support than the Rugby World Cups here?
  
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  July 21, 2023 8:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He is just baiting you CJames.
    
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    July 21, 2023 8:30am
    - Simon
      
      After nearly six yrs of Labo their fluffers are reduced to trolling.
      
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      July 21, 2023 8:43am
      - Don Beckett
        
        [Mod – cut out the personal abuse]
        
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        July 21, 2023 10:20am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        You are doing a good job for Labour
        
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        July 21, 2023 10:44am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        That’s you
        
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        July 21, 2023 3:16pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Exactly. Just trolling for his entertainment rather than having an actual discussion about the pros and cons of women’s soccer.
      
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      July 21, 2023 12:23pm
      - Mike
        
        Feel free to start such a discussion, Tom. Do you really think there are ‘pros’ and ‘cons’ though? I’m struggling to think of anything negative about the concept of women playing football.
        
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        July 21, 2023 1:27pm
  - Mike
    
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    I don’t think rugby enthusiasts (of whom I am one) need to display petty jealousy that a different code is bringing the us the largest sporting event in the country’s history.
    
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    July 21, 2023 8:33am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Soccer is kick the ball with the head.
      
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      July 21, 2023 8:43am
      - pdm
        
        Biscuit see that – I am not the only one!!!!
        
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        July 21, 2023 9:04am
      - Jack5
        
        She’s back …
        
        Ardern is back and getting pic opportunities at the soccer.
        
        https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/07/20/jacinda-ardern-new-zealand-norway-womens-world-cup/
        
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        July 21, 2023 9:15am
      - rouppe
        
        @Jack since Ardern went into the mens Rugby changing rooms, I was wondering if Chris Hipkins would pop in to the Black Ferns changing room.
        
        Guess equality isn’t even…
        
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        July 21, 2023 10:19am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Kick and kiss !
        
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        July 21, 2023 10:45am
    - CJames
      
      Unlike you Mike, I don’t believe the hype surrounding the event put out by the promoters.
      In terms of actual paying spectators, it isn’t the largest sporting event that’s been here. Did they manage to SELL out Eden Park last night? I very much doubt it is even the largest worldwide TV audience for an NZ event.
      Soccer is the world’s largest professional sport and has the largest TV audiences, but woman’s soccer is a very tiny part of that.
      
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      July 21, 2023 8:45am
      - kowtow
        
        Huge amounts of mis and disinformation being put out by the regime and its paid agents , te potty media , about this event.
        
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        July 21, 2023 9:14am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Mike doesn’t believe it either. Even he can smell the desperation, can detect the puffery and hype, can spot the BS when they say “the world’s best players”.
        
        Everyone, even Mike, knows that the very best composite team from the WWC, coached for a month by Pep Guardiola, would be soundly beaten by Rosmini College’s First XI. In a canter.
        
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        July 21, 2023 9:35am
      - plc
        
        “People with vaginas World Cup…you bigot”//
        
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        July 21, 2023 10:00am
      - Ghost
        
        When did we get to the point that belittling woman by simply calling them people with vagina’s became acceptable?
        
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        July 21, 2023 10:08am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @plc,
        
        I thought the transistor brigade had made the name “front hole people”
        Or maybe is was a joke and I ignored it?
        
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        July 21, 2023 11:42am
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Unlike you Mike, I don’t believe the hype…
        
        Given how anti-hype he is on everything under the sun, I’m quite sure he doesn’t believe it either. It’s just more trolling for his personal shits and giggles at the “reactionary” Kiwiblog crowd.
        
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        July 21, 2023 12:25pm
      - Mike
        
        Ghost, you have been contributing to Kiwiblog comments for a while now, so you must have realized that at least half of the commenters are committed misery-guts. Don’t let these joyless roosters harsh the buzz.
        
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        July 21, 2023 12:37pm
      - Ghost
        
        They’re called woman Steve, drop the disrespectful names
        
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        July 21, 2023 12:49pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Ghost 12.40.
        
        I know they are Women Ghost, but I am only repeating what I have seen here on this blog. It was not a joke if I remember correctly. I am just the messenger. Don’t tell me what to do.
        
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        July 21, 2023 1:27pm
      - Mike
        
        Steve. Repeating stuff you read on Kiwiblog is no excuse for independent thought. Just because someone else wrote something stupid doesn’t absolve the copyist from any criticism.
        
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        July 21, 2023 1:30pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Ghost: “When did we get to the point that belittling woman by simply calling them people with vagina’s became acceptable?”
        
        When we observed the absurdity of the trans obsessed wokesters of late and their ridiculous bastardisations of the English language. Think you’ll find it was a reference to that. Therefore no need for the woke finger wagging old chap.
        
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        July 21, 2023 10:38pm
      - Ghost
        
        No, there is no reason to take what the trans mob are doing to then disrespect woman by calling them people with vaginas or people with an extra holes. Maybe in your bizarre world insulting woman with such is acceptable that speaks more about you, nothing woke about it, it’s about having respect for woman, obviously something you lack if you find it acceptable to insult woman to get back at trans.
        
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        July 21, 2023 10:41pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        [Mod – debate what is said without abuse]
        
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        July 22, 2023 12:39pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        [Mod – No, and they’re not who you have claimed in another post, so you can stop that now too]
        
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        July 22, 2023 1:07pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Ghost you are engaging in Mike-style trolling and straw manning. It’s the trans obsessed wokesters using terms like “birthing person” and the person using the term “person with a vagina” was clearly making fun of that absurd language. You knew that though.
        
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        July 22, 2023 2:25pm
      - Ghost
        
        Just because someone says it doesn’t mean repeating it is acceptable, but you know that don’t you. And you even know that to repeat it is insulting to woman!
        
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        July 22, 2023 2:53pm
    - Bullion
      
      Yeah, the last Women’s WC had a 30% higher global TV audience than the highest ever watched Men’s Rugby WC.
      
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      July 21, 2023 4:05pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    You are saying the World Cup first game involving NZ would have less numbers? I put it to you it would be a full house
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:19am
    - OlderChas
      
      Probably because most of those travelling here to see/support their own teams would have gone to watch the opening ceremony and their game ticket was included in the price?
      
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      July 21, 2023 9:57am
- Nickc2
  
  Free tickets work wonders eh?
  
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  July 21, 2023 8:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Eden Park seats 50,000.
    Soccer had just over 42,000.
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:20am
  - Bullion
    
    The free tickets are 5k for 4 games, did not include last night’s game.
    
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    July 21, 2023 6:21pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  If you’d stopped at “supporters” you would have got an uptick Mike. Before declaring this to be “our most massive sporting event”, perhaps we should wait to see what sorts of crowds matches like the Philippines versus Switzerland and Costa Rica versus Zambia draw.
  
  RWC 2011 set a very high bar, both in terms of attendance at matches and general public interest and participation.
  
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  July 21, 2023 8:41am
  - alex Masterley
    
    Tony, also remember any Lions Tour brings in crowds that the organisers of the womens World Cup can only dream about.
    
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    July 21, 2023 8:58am
  - RoboRob
    
    Yes, there is a big difference between people paying $80 – $1000 for rugby world cup tickets vs 0-$20 for this event.
    
    Yes I know that there were cheap games when we held the RWC but most tickets were not.
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:08am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Even with pricing all blacks first up would be a sell out, possibly even if it was playing Japan
      
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      July 21, 2023 9:20am
  - Paulus
    
    I wonderhow many of the members of a team, or the team, will return home or overstay as we understand in Australia.
    Dont’t expect any in New Zealand.
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:19am
  - Drone
    
    That was 12 years ago Tony Stuart, since then womens soccer has grown and thugby has declined. There are 24 womens soccer teams at this tournament each team has competed within a regional group stage to qualify for the competition.
    
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    July 21, 2023 10:16am
    - Flossie
      
      There’s actually 32 teams aren’t there?
      
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      July 21, 2023 12:58pm
      - Drone
        
        Correct Flossie, 32 teams and only 30 had to qualify as Australia and NZ as hosts didn’t. Even more significant.
        
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        July 21, 2023 4:56pm
    - oldfella
      
      Drone: NZ and Australia didn’t need to qualify like the other teams. We’re both there because we’re co-hosting the event.
      
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      July 21, 2023 2:02pm
      - Mike
        
        Are you implying that NZ would not otherwise have qualified? NZ qualified for the previous four world cups and is currently ranked 26th in the world.
        
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        July 21, 2023 2:32pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Very true!
    How many free tickets will be dished out to make an empty ground look even partway populated?
    Whilst I have nothing against what they are doing, I reckon anyone who thought they could fill the grounds with spectators in a Rugby mad country, has to be ‘dreamin’ eh?
    I’m open to being proven wrong though.
    
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    July 21, 2023 10:22am
    - wsk12345
      
      Once a thugby mad country.
      I don’t know anyone that’s interested anymore.
      
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      July 21, 2023 9:07pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    You falling for “Mike’s” trolling too, Tony? I thought you knew better? He’s not even worth the downticks any longer.
    
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    July 21, 2023 12:26pm
    - Mike
      
      Now I’m starting to feel a bit sorry for Tom.
      
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      July 21, 2023 1:31pm
  - Mike
    
    Depends whether you consider ‘massive’ was referring to crowd size or overall global impact.
    
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    July 21, 2023 12:44pm
- softail 1450
  
  Wrong again Mike ,New Zealand has a new far more skillful and fun game to get used to thanks to Dame Ardern, “dodge the gunman” ,people on this blog think you are edging toward being more than qualified to play the solitary role in the game .
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:00am
  - coge
    
    It’s ‘dodge the gunperson’
    
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    July 21, 2023 10:22am
- Matt Long
  
  Mike it’s hardly good taste to celebrate kicking off a sporting event with a shooting.
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:01am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Down town Beirut !
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:21am
    - Keith White
      
      Downtown Beirut as of June this year was safer to walk at night, than downtown Auckland.
      
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      July 21, 2023 4:14pm
- greybeard
  
  I saw a bit of the game and was quite impressed.
  Some very skilful play.
  And that NZ goal was beautifully done, about 5 seconds from one end to the other.
  So stop whinging, everyone.
  
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  July 21, 2023 10:51am
  - alex Masterley
    
    I watched the second half of the NZ Norway game shortly after Ryan Fox started his descent to oblivion.
    My take aways as a long time player (and still playing if it can be so described) were:
    The goal was well constructed and simple. Route one essentially with a poacher doing the finishing. There were a couple of promising through balls that werent capitalised upon through lack of pace.’
    Being picky, close control was lacking, passes going to nowhere and two glaring misses. first the penalty and second a player falling over, for no real reason, in the act of shooting.
    Still I am pleased for the sake of the tournament that the NZ women won.
    Lets hope they do well against the Philipines and can hold the line against Switzerland
    
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    July 21, 2023 12:37pm
Benedict Yu

Just an update on the planned visit to Auckland by Kellie Jay Keen on 20 September. In addition to attending the court hearing of the person charged with assaulting her, she also plans on holding a major event along the lines that caused the riot a few months ago.

https://www.youtube.com/live/9S-rap5_s50?feature=share

Three weeks out from an election, this will be an issue for the government. Either they lock her out of the country, or they instruct the police to mobilise in force.
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July 21, 2023 8:04am
- Gravelroad
  
  I suspect they will lock her out of the country.
  We cannot allow uppity (non-trans, non violent) women to talk about their rights in public.
  This is not the 196o’s.
  
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  July 21, 2023 8:30am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Then they lose on silencing free speech
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:22am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      You’re applying your standards to them, “G”. They don’t really care about “Free Speech”; it’s just a smokescreen while they silence their opponents speech, which they very much want to do.
      
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      July 21, 2023 12:28pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If they lock her out of the Country, it’s another nail in Labour’s coffin.
  
  I would like to watch – and fear what she has to say. We do have Police numbers to keep her safe, we saw that yesterday. They won’t be hiding around the corner like they were at Albert Park.
  
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  July 21, 2023 8:36am
  - Ehlana
    
    I wanted to hear what she had to say too. But apparently, Shaleel is now in charge of who we are allowed to hear from.
    
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    July 21, 2023 8:39am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      No. He isn’t.
      
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      July 21, 2023 8:43am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        How about Shaneel thinks she is in charge?
        
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        July 21, 2023 8:46am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @Steve: He thinks he is in charge. No “she” involved mate.
        
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        July 21, 2023 9:37am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @ Lodden,
        “He?” Have you checked?
        
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        July 21, 2023 11:47am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Shaleel will not yet be aware that Kellie Jay is planning a visit. I doubt he watches The Platform.
      
      But it is only a matter of time. He will lose his shit. So will the Greens.
      
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      July 21, 2023 8:54am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        The visit was common knowledge about 1 month ago.
        
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        July 21, 2023 9:24am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Awareness of her visit has not reached trans activists or the Green Party. If it had we would know about it 😅
        
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        July 21, 2023 10:24am
  - mw
    
    It would be quite something not not let a victim come back to sit in the court while the person that assaulted them faces the music (what little music that will probably be)
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:15am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Hear* what she has to say! ffs
    
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    July 21, 2023 11:44am
- Cassandra
  
  It will be interesting, a clear demarcation of who sits where. “I’ll defend to the death your right to say anything I agree with”.
  
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  July 21, 2023 8:49am
  - kowtow
    
    Have a look at how the Ferald report her in today’s offering.
    
    “British anti transgender activist , KJKM , self described as a women’s rights activist ….”
    
    Now we where the Ferald sits.
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:25am
- Opie
  
  I will attend this. If it’s OK for trannies to attack women, it’s OK for me to defend them right?
  
  I won’t be the only bloke that feels the need to help our women.
  
  This will be messy.
  
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  July 21, 2023 8:59am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I plan on going to the Court and her talks. I also intend to go to court on 10 August when the POS who assaulted the lady in her 70s.
    
    Any others going to the hearing on 10 August?
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:53am
- slightlyrighty
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB-5tZBx6ng
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:01am
- NothingLeft
  
  That close to the election, Labour Minister might actually direct police to hold up the rule of law and withdraw the Thug’s veto.
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:41am
krazykiwi

More flights yesterday, and more safety cosplay from our aviation security folks. Does anyone really believe their passive-aggressive theatre, including barking at the shuffling queue of passengers, Keeps You Safe™?

After shedding my wicked, terror-supporting garments that include shoes above the ankle, a suit jacket, a belt, a wallet, two coins, the phone and thereafter being one item of clothing away from inappropriateness, the x-ray buzzed (WTF?!?) and I was sidelined to have my privates imaged in the full body scanner. Who will wind back this safetyism fetish?

Oh, and where safety is truly important, AirNZ instead continues to force on us ethno-cultural propaganda flaccidly disguised as a safety briefing.

Madness, all of it.
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July 21, 2023 8:04am
- G152
  
  It affords employment to all manner of ‘friends’
  
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  July 21, 2023 8:07am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Unfortunately the regime cannot be unwound because New Zealand is subject to the screening protocols agreed by international convention. The EU and the USA are in charge.
  
  If you fly regularly, there are things you can do to make things smoother. I never carry anything in my pockets. Everything goes in my small carry on bag.
  
  I end up in the body scanner about one third of the time. I still have not figured it out. I also have my carry on singled out for searching about every 4th visit. They rarely find anything..
  
  Best just stay calm 🙂
  
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  July 21, 2023 8:17am
  - Inandout
    
    BY, as an occasional visitor to our local Court office (when they have enough staff) I place items on a tray and walk through a scanner. I try to be metal free on my person so I don’t trigger the alarm. I often wonder about the cost of these security measures.
    
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    July 21, 2023 8:35am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Yep. But, necessary.
      
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      July 21, 2023 7:10pm
  - pdm
    
    BY – the worst is being `secondaries’ in the States. That is transferring from an International Flight to a domestic. We encountered it some years ago at San Francisco and it did not bother us too much.
    
    But the smartly dressed guy behind us really got stirred up and did his scone majorly.
    
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    July 21, 2023 8:38am
    - Clownworld
      
      Perhaps it was Hunter Biden?
      
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      July 21, 2023 10:11am
  - Mike
    
    Best just stay calm
    
    Great advice, but this is Kiwiblog, you know.
    
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    July 21, 2023 8:41am
  - Local Miller
    
    My attitude and process as well. Anything that could trigger the scanners goes into my carry on except my glasses. That way I have almost nothing lying losse in the trays and nothing on me.
    The last flight was funny though because I wear braces to hold my trousers up (I can’t stand belts) and these have 5 small metal clips that sometimes trigger the scanner, sometimes not. The last flight they triggered everything, but randomly from different places across my body.
    I’m flying to Christchurch soon, and to South Africa early next year and thinking of stuffing these into the carry on as well. I’ll just have to hold my pants up with my hands.
    
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    July 21, 2023 8:51am
    - KiwiSapper
      
      Nah, just chat with your local Farmer and he’ll give you the two loops off an old bale bale of hay. IF YOU ARE LUCKY, they will be “hairy string” type, made from jute / flax as opposed to the modern day orange poly stuff.
      
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      July 21, 2023 9:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Nail scissors are out but a BIC Pen is ok? You can do a lot of damage with that even if it is plastic. How about a stainless steel engraved Parker pen?
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:31am
    - thirteenstars
      
      I got through security in Wellington with a pair of nail scissors. The guard measured them against a rule and deemed them OK. They are about 13cm long, very sharp and quite capable of doing a bit of damage.
      
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      July 21, 2023 9:46am
      - krazykiwi
        
        The metal forks in Koru, 100s of them, could easily kill. One solid strike on a carotid artery and it would be lights out.
        
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        July 21, 2023 10:00am
      - Don Beckett
        
        I can’t help setting off the alarm – I have a metal knee joint replacement, and a titanium implant in my left cheek to compensate from tissue being removed because of very invasive skin cancer.
        I’m almost the million dollar man 😆
        
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        July 21, 2023 10:31am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      You can actually take a knife on board if it is less than 6 cm.
      
      I have a small folding knife.. razor sharp. I take it tramping. Anyway somehow it ended up in my carryon. It got picked up in the x ray. The guy measured it as 5 cm and I was good to go. 😳 It could slice someone open. Go figure.
      
      https://www.aviation.govt.nz/passenger-information/what-can-i-bring/show/knives#:~:text=Can%20I%20take%20this%20item,go%20in%20checked%2Din%20luggage.
      
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      July 21, 2023 10:09am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Mrs kk had a plastic knitting needle confiscated. Too long, and too sharp. I asked if it was less sharp would it be allowed on. The answer was “yes”. Of course 3 minutes with a blunt needle and a pencil sharpener and it would be good for trans-torso insertion.
        
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        July 21, 2023 10:24am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        As long as it is not a switchblade or flick knife and we call it.
        I ordered a stiletto knife with a Trump handle. It did not make it from the US. Customs destroyed it, well they say they did….
        
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        July 21, 2023 4:56pm
    - cas
      
      A few years ago I travelled on a provincial flight with a firetongs set ( 4 implements). There was no security check. As I always travel carryon only, I went into the cabin with the set without being challenged.
      
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      July 21, 2023 10:37am
      - I remember when
        
        The real danger on flights is the pilot and they don’t trouble the x-ray machine.
        
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        July 21, 2023 2:57pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “The real danger on flights is the pilot and they don’t trouble the x-ray machine.”
        
        Wrong. Pilots now go through security just like the rest of us. I have watched them.
        
        This incident caused that.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Express_Flight_705
        
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        July 21, 2023 5:31pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      …but a BIC Pen is ok? You can do a lot of damage with that even if it is plastic.
      
      I once saw him kill three men in a bar… with a pencil. With a fuckin pencil.
      
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      July 21, 2023 12:35pm
      - Keith White
        
        …And now it’s on video!
        
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        July 21, 2023 4:17pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    BY, as someone who has flown regularly and been to many airports around the world, and therefore seen a lot of airport security, what has struck me is the number of times I’ve seen Security that is no more than a middle aged suburban male/female sitting in a chair looking at a screen. From their looks you know they haven’t got a clue what they are doing. Then I’ve also been through airports where the wrong comment would have you in jail fast than Usain Bolt doing the 100 metres.
    
    The reality is we all want to be safe when we travel, but we have to accept there are inherent risks every time we travel through an airport, whether it be because of the processes, the officials, the people doing the job as “Security”, or our fellow travellers.
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:49am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      My observation in New Zealand is that the operators of the x ray machines are attentive.
      
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      July 21, 2023 5:33pm
- Scott
  
  Quite right krazy. On a related topic –
  Has anyone questioned Chris Luxon as to whether he will get rid of all covid regulations? It’s something that sorely needs to happen in my opinion.
  
  This morning as I gazed at the traffic outside my office, here in Masterton, I saw an older couple driving a car, waiting in traffic. She was driving and he was in the passenger seat. They had their windows wound up. And both were wearing masks?? What is the point of a couple sitting in a car wearing masks, with the windows closed?
  
  Last week I saw a young woman, probably early 20s, walking down a suburban street wearing a mask. There was no one around her in the whole street. She was alone but wearing a mask, outside, what is the purpose of that?
  
  This government is still pushing boosters. In Masterton hospital we still have to wear a mask when we visit people and the staff all still have to wear masks. At Masterton medical you are supposed to wear a mask when you visit the doctor.
  
  Can someone please put a halt to this covid madness?
  
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  July 21, 2023 8:18am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    The people you saw were wearing masks by their own choice, as is their right. Are you saying they shouldn’t be allowed?
    
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    July 21, 2023 8:54am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      All they are doing is advertising the fact that they are terrified Labour voters who wish that Cindy the Saviour was still there.
      
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      July 21, 2023 9:11am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Re the Masterton hospital comments, I’m a regular visitor to Hutt Hospital and haven’t worn a mask there for several weeks. I take the lead from the admin staff.
        Never been questioned.
        
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        July 21, 2023 9:13am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        As is their right.
        
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        July 21, 2023 10:08am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Why are the masks blue? I have been waiting a long time to get a red one.//
        
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        July 21, 2023 5:01pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Of course they are allowed to wear a mask if they want. Pointing out it’s idiotic virtue signaling is also allowed.
      
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      July 21, 2023 9:16am
      - Clownworld
        
        Virtue signalling or people hypnotised and compelled by fear to wear them forever.
        
        Mental illness went up due to propaganda and lockdowns.
        
        Sad people imprisoned by falsehoods they believed.
        
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        July 21, 2023 10:16am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Clownworld,
        Then she ran!!
        I do feel for those with mental illness who believed the lies. They had no choice imo.
        
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        July 21, 2023 5:05pm
    - Scott
      
      I want an end to all covid regulations. I want an end to all mandatory mask wearing. I want an end to all “get a booster for your whanau’s sake “messaging. I want an end to the climate of fear.
      
      And yes, I want people to get rid of their masks. I don’t want a law or regulation about that. But I would like it to be socially unacceptable to wear a mask. People that wear a mask are saying, “feel free to lock me down at any time. I have now adopted a covid lifestyle.”
      
      I want an end to government interference in my life. I hope that’s clear?
      
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      July 21, 2023 9:23am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Scott – if you are exempt from wearing a mask you don’t have to wear one anywhere, including hospital. Whether as a patient or a visitor.
    
    You don’t need any evidence of exemption. You are exempt if you choose to be. You don’t need to tell anyone what your reason for exemption is. You can get an exemption card free of charge and free of any examination from the Covid 19 people.
    This might make you feel better presenting the card to anyone asking, but it is NOT a requirement.
    
    My exemption is for mental and physical reasons. Wearing an utterly useless mask that does nothing to protect me or anyone else from an airborne respiratory virus, causes me irritation and restricts my oxygen intake.
    
    The information is here.
    
    https://covid19.govt.nz/prepare-and-stay-safe/protect-yourself-and-others-from-covid-19/face-masks/wearing-a-face-mask/
    
    It is very deliberately ambiguous. Reading from top down it appears non negotiable that masks are compulsory. They are NOT. This is the last paragraph.
    
    You do not need to wear a face mask if you have a physical or mental health illness or condition or disability that makes wearing a face mask unsuitable.
    
    That paragraph makes the previous apparent rules completely void. I had this confirmed in a personal email to the people who run the website.
    
    It is your choice whether to comply or not. The more people comply, the longer this insanity will continue.
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:14am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I have an exemption. Did not have to give a reason when applying, just ticked ‘other’
      Doctor two weeks ago. Receptionist asked me to wear one. I said ‘what about your colleague? Ah, she is exempt. Well so am I!
      
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      July 21, 2023 9:42am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Steve – yes, it is that simple. It was mass compliance that permitted this insanity. Mass non compliance stops it in an instant. No violence required. No shouty arguments. Just peacefully say NO and walk on.
        
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        July 21, 2023 9:49am
    - mandk
      
      “You don’t need any evidence of exemption”
      
      Correct. You don’t need to be exempt; you just need to identify as someone who is exempt, and then it’s all good.
      
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      July 21, 2023 10:24am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Anyone with two functioning brain cells or more should be identifying as exempt. To do otherwise is to participate in a psychological operation that has absolutely nothing to do with health.
        
        You are exempt because you realise this as a fact and you are not going to waste time and money on such nonsensical behaviour. To act otherwise would cause awful mental stress and conflict. Ergo you have a mental condition which prevents you ever wearing one.
        
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        July 21, 2023 5:15pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Luxon stated about a month ago that covid will never be blamed for anything again under them, as far as they are concerned it’s done, notice you never hear of variants anymore, and I thought these things had to mutate every 28 days to survive, the only thing left is masks in medical facilities, snd I assume this rotten Labour government still has the mandates in progress which is bizarre, remembering Luxon stated he could not see the point in mandates when we weee reopening to the world
    
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    July 21, 2023 10:52am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      “It’s done” – yes, like the lives, jobs, businesses and relationships of many thousands of innocent people. All caused by policies that caused more harm than good.
      
      It would be nice if Mr Luxon could acknowledge these people who were brutally punished for doing nothing more than choosing what does or doesn’t go into their body.
      
      It’s not ‘done’ for these people. Not by a long stretch. Pretending it never happened doesn’t make it so.
      
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      July 21, 2023 11:16am
      - mawm
        
        Clan – That Luxon does not address the damage done tells me a lot about who or what he is.
        
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        July 21, 2023 12:59pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        mawm – it’s no different to someone living next door to a serial wife/husband beater and refusing to tell the police it is happening. In National/Act’s case, they believe the victim deserved the beating and they would have beaten them more effectively.
        That is what their policy was, as much as they deny being responsible for the implementation of the original garbage by Labour.
        
        No wonder they want to pretend it didn’t happen. But we all know what happened. They stood by and tacitly approved of the abuse.
        
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        July 21, 2023 3:45pm
      - Keith White
        
        Yes. Never forgive. Never forget.
        
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        July 21, 2023 4:27pm
- Squeek
  
  As well as the sidelining to the body scanner, there is the anxious moment when your tray of hand luggage pauses after coming out of the scanner, and then suddenly rolls sideways and off down the inspection conveyor. I have had this happen about 1 in 10 times, often to be informed that they think they saw a loose battery, but they have never found it. Digging into my bag recently I realised there was in fact a loose stylus battery that I hadn’t been aware was there. It’s no longer there, but this does beg the question about how well the bags are searched and what’s the point of all the vigorous scanning if they can’t find something like a battery.
  The RM Williams boots I usually wear were described when I bought them about 10 years ago as ‘Airport Friendly’ – no steel in them. Sadly the airports have unfriended them now.
  
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  July 21, 2023 8:19am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Security had a good look at my drone at Auckland. Opened it up and two spare batteries, both in plastic bags. All good. Drones go carry on, not cargo. A fire in cargo is not a good thing,
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Have had the same treatment but only in Hawaii. Nothing in Alaska and nothing in NZ. I have a plate like 5cc x 1.5cm in my neck. Hawaii don’t like that even inter Island. Big Island and Kauai
  
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  July 21, 2023 8:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    5cm* 50mm x 15mm.
    
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    July 21, 2023 8:50am
- Simon
  
  Hope it wasnt Qantas.
  
  https://twitter.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1681945273801617409
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Camera was recording so why were those 3 guys not sacked?
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:48am
- krazykiwi
  
  I should add, aircraft today are extremely difficult to hijack (the recent Apple TV series makes laughable errors in support of the script). For example, both Airbus and Boeing have in-flight telemetry monitoring devices (including cameras), and have a range of remote control capabilities the majority of which are not disclosed, which is telling in its own right.
  
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  July 21, 2023 10:20am
Grunter

The Judge that sentenced yesterdays murdering gunman should be made to do a face to face apology to the families of the victims. And then resign.
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July 21, 2023 8:06am
- KiwiSapper
  
  Why allow the easy way out by resigning? Dismissal is called for and if, as I suspect it may be, Judges can’t be dismissed, then Parliament must change the laws to ensure that they can and at the same time introduce a “3 strikes” for dismissed / allowed appeals against a Judges rulings which has the same dismissal result. NO EXCEPTIONS OR VARIATIONS, DISMISSAL.
  
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  July 21, 2023 8:28am
- Simon
  
  Prisons are moral & fiscal failure. – Bill English / Ardern.
  
  The judge was just following orders, Everyone who votes Labo or National should be ashamed of their prior vote and support.
  
  The political class, backed by sheep, created NZ’s crime problem.
  
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  July 21, 2023 8:54am
  - Prince
    
    You keep quoting Bill English.
    Did you vote for him ?
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:02am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      He r we piled have voted the snake that sent English packing against the will of the people
      
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      July 21, 2023 9:45am
      - Don Beckett
        
        [Mod – this is your last warning, stop the personal abuse]
        
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        July 21, 2023 10:39am
  - nathie
    
    Really? Time to get back in your clock sunshine!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_IBsWkUebw
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:03am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      “Put the Cuckoo back in the clock!”
      DJT
      
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      July 21, 2023 9:53am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Court of Appeal precedents determine sentences. If a judge starts handing out longer ones then the defence will appeal and win. Unless we clean out the CA and put in judges who care about public safety, there’s not much other judges can do on their own.
  
  I have repeated this many times but people still don’t get it. When Chris Penk is the Attorney General, he needs to carefully vet the judges he appoints to the Court of Appeal to ensure they are not soft on crime. This is not something National has ever bothered doing before.
  
  He should also, directly or indirectly, try to move on the bad judges in the CA (which is most of them). Either appointing them to other jobs where they can’t do any harm or even by passing legislation limiting their terms if necessary.
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:25am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Thanks for clarifying Nigel, Something I could not understand but now do.
    
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    July 21, 2023 10:37am
- NothingLeft
  
  It’s a black swan; random bad luck, though with probability increased by low rates of incarceration.
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:44am
- jon
  
  Grunter, perhaps the judge should be offering to pay for the funerals of those killed yesterday. He along with the govt have blood on their hands.
  
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  July 21, 2023 10:55am
Opie

I see that hipkins was at the football last night…. maybe he was trying to work out what a woman is?

One refreshing thing about the coverage was the commentators were English and only spoke proper English, not the virtue signalling pidgin shit that you hear from nz commentators these days.
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July 21, 2023 8:06am
- alex Masterley
  
  He looked like he was alone in the shots I saw. An unaccompanied minor!
  
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  July 21, 2023 8:34am
  - Opie
    
    He does look like a little kid.
    
    A disgrace on our nation he is.
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:00am
  - Bill Felt
    
    I think the situation is- he can’t be seen with his “partner” as that would attract unwanted attention.
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:18am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Maybe Halbert doesn’t like Soccer
    
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    July 21, 2023 10:55am
- amospicton
  
  Proper English spoken by the commentators? Mangled English more like – it’s not easy to say ‘opportunity’ without a ‘t’ sound but she did it!
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:39am
Loddenthinks

There can be no better example of how out of touch some of the useless Judges are in this country, than the Mongrel Mob scumbag who broke into the home of a pregnant woman, sexually assaulted her as she lay in bed with her child, and was given home detention.

He thanked the Dudge (Gordon Matenga, bit of a clue there) and then walked from the dock, laughing and saying “Cracked it”.

The scumbag didn’t know the woman but knew who she was and had sent her a FB friend request and a number of texts the day before. After the attack she was forced to move away as this scumbag kept threatening her. He continues to deny the offending and was rated as being at a high risk of re-offending (colour me shocked).

Crown prosecutor called for a prison sentence, noting it was premeditated, used violence and invaded a private residence. Also noting the vulnerability of the victim and her child, and the lasting impact on her.

“Taunoa appeared pleased with the sentence and said “Thank you judge. I appreciate that”. He laughed as he entered the police cells and yelled “Cracked it”.

It’s not hard to see another tragedy occurring because a useless Judge refused to lock up a scumbag.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300931432/teen-mob-member-who-broke-into-home-and-sexually-assaulted-pregnant-woman-gets-home-detention
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July 21, 2023 8:06am
- Gravelroad
  
  I now have no faith at all that the Labour Government is governing for all people.
  It’s policy of minimising and excusing violent crime on the basis of race is putting too many innocent citizens at risk.
  That is not good governance.
  
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  July 21, 2023 8:17am
  - Swifty
    
    Have a look at him on Facebook.
    
    Pathetic. Wimp.
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:18am
- pdm
  
  `The scumbag didn’t know the woman but knew who she was and had sent her a FB friend request and a number of texts the day before.’
  
  How did he get her phone number?
  
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  July 21, 2023 8:41am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Are you suggesting she gave it to him?
    
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    July 21, 2023 8:44am
    - pdm
      
      Not at all Lodden.
      
      I am think he broke into her huse earlier and got it from her phone or threatened a third party for it.
      
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      July 21, 2023 9:08am
      - pdm
        
        house
        
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        July 21, 2023 9:09am
    - Local Miller
      
      Or somebody did. Possibly she put it up on FB is some way. Similarly how did he know where she lived?
      
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      July 21, 2023 9:09am
    - backster
      
      How did Ritchie Hardcore cellmate of the hard drug importer get the Grande Dame’s number.
      
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      July 21, 2023 9:12am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      And if she did – so what?
      
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      July 21, 2023 10:14am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    PDM. Young people are very free with numbers. The offender could have got it off a mutual acquaintance very easily. And given the offender is in a gang, it would have been given very quickly under threat, overt or otherwise, of violence
    
    It is a different world. I would always ask someone I know if they are happy for me to pass on their contact details before sharing a number… its not how it rolls in the under 30’s brought up in the connected world set….
    
    And the world around gangs is very different again – it takes some backbone to tell a gang member to take a walk – you will get a visit from a few of them if you are brave enough to tell one to sling their hook…
    
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    July 21, 2023 8:54am
    - cas
      
      Yeah I heard of someone who was driving and hit a young Mobster on a trail bike and then his house got burnt down.
      
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      July 21, 2023 10:41am
  - Opie
    
    Facebook messenger. You can message anyone
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:02am
    - Flossie
      
      That depends very much on the other person’s privacy settings. You can’t randomly message me.
      
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      July 21, 2023 9:24am
      - wsk12345
        
        You can. It will show up in a different folder though.
        
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        July 21, 2023 9:34pm
      - Ghost
        
        Nope, it depends on a persons settings. If they don’t accept messages from people not connected to their account you cannot message them.
        
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        July 21, 2023 9:44pm
- kowtow
  
  Judges are actively refusing to protect the most vulnerable people in society in the place they should be safest , their homes.
  
  Where’s the outrage .
  
  The media pardy can manufacture all manner of outrage when they feel the need , so why not now .
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:33am
- Mrs_Right
  
  I agree, however he is the ‘right’ race to receive all the discounts from his sentence.
  
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  July 21, 2023 10:46am
igm

Until one of these bastards has a direct impact on one of the uselss woke scum giving these filth passports to freedom crime will go on.
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July 21, 2023 8:09am
Southern Raider

Ginny on the Hosk this morning trying to state Labour has done nothing to reduce prison populations and reduce sentences

The Hosk needed to play her Davis grandstanding he would reduce prison population by 30%
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July 21, 2023 8:13am
- Prince
  
  Was she an MP when Little had his grand ‘Justice Summit’ in 2018, and announced his Govt would reduce prison numbers by 30% ?
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:04am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Yes, she was a List MP. She had lost Hutt South to Bishop in 2017.
    
    Duckie had gone on the Labour list for 2017.
    
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    July 21, 2023 10:02am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      She surfed in on the Cindy wave in 2020. Will being a token ‘Minister of Police’ be enough to save her this time?
      
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      July 21, 2023 10:42am
- Lance
  
  I see the Labour team have all been coached on presenting to media.
  1. Make mindless statements
  2. Blame everyone else except you
  3. Repeat endlessly the first statement even if it has no relation to the question
  4. Angly demand “let me finish” to any attempt to elicit and actual answer, thus avoiding any actual accountability and making the interviewer look mean
  Seriously, they all do this now
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:13am
  - Clownworld
    
    4b. “let me be clear…let me make this clear…” in authoritative tone and then make a Kamala word salad. Bought to you by Jacinda Communication 101 school.
    
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    July 21, 2023 10:25am
- plc
  
  Was she at the football with Hipkins last night?
  
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  July 21, 2023 10:57am
Tony Stuart

Winston Peters has condemned the shooting in Auckland yesterday, and has taken aim at soft sentences by the judiciary. He refers to “ludicrously soft sentences that put community safety a distant last to the offenders rights and excuses”.

https://twitter.com/winstonpeters/status/1681894031205302273

Whilst it is easy to agree with Peters on this, he seems to have forgotten something. He was Deputy Prime Minister in the Labour-NZ First coalition government that set a target for reduction of the prison population by 30%. He was also Deputy PM in a government which introduced Hōkai Rangi in August 2019, a long-term strategy which aims to drastically cut the number of Māori in prison from 52 percent down to 16 – to match the overall Māori population.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/396988/hokai-rangi-the-plan-to-reduce-maori-in-prison-from-52-percent-to-16

This strategy could not have been adopted without NZF’s support. So it is troubling that Peters appears to have completely forgotten that he is complicit in “soft on crime” decisions taken by a government in which he was the second most senior member.

If Peters’ cognitive function is so poor that he cannot remember decisions to which he was bound by Cabinet collective responsibility, one would have to question his fitness to return to Parliament later in the year. Of course there’s another option though; that Peters is a political charlatan, who changes his views like the weather.
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July 21, 2023 8:13am
- CJames
  
  Anything Winston does is primarily to benefit Winston, and maybe his acolytes. Being good for NZ is just an unintended consequence.
  People like him and the Labour Cabinet Ministers are why politicians rate lower than used car salespeople in the public’s esteem.
  
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  July 21, 2023 8:20am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    CJames – dont forget Winston’s donors. I am sure he pays careful heed to their wishes…
    
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    July 21, 2023 8:56am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Quite so; follow the money, or the scampi, or the helicopter…
      
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      July 21, 2023 9:08am
      - PeeJay
        
        never forget the horse racing…….
        
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        July 21, 2023 11:32am
- Philview
  
  To be fair to Peters the drop didn’t really start until about November 2020 per graphs I have seen. Peters may have agreed with the policy.
  
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  July 21, 2023 8:20am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    The policy wouldn’t have been implemented without Cabinet approval, and Peters was a senior member of the Labour-NZF Cabinet.
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:07am
    - wsk12345
      
      Like he Paapua?
      
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      July 21, 2023 9:37pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  I think Mr. Peters has always had cognitive difficulties. One never forgets the ‘NO’ sign card he held up.
  
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  July 21, 2023 8:22am
- Grunter
  
  Tony – great comment. Winston is arguably our worst ever politician. Appears to be one thing, talks up a good story, and does the exact opposite. The most untrustworthy in a sea of crooks.
  
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  July 21, 2023 8:40am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Wouldn’t it be something (a start at least) if instead of saying they ” aim to drastically cut the number of Māori in prison from 52 percent down to 16 – to match the overall Māori population” they were honest and said:
  
  “We aim to drastically reduce the amount of crime committed by Māori from 52 percent down to 16 – to match the overall Māori population.”
  
  Go for the root cause of those high incarceration rates – and I don’t mean blaming something that someone’s ancestors did 200 years ago.
  
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  July 21, 2023 8:48am
  - Paulus
    
    From where do you get the 16% figure for Maori population ?
    From a number of Censuses the Maori return from somewhere is totally inaccurate like both recent ones.
    So who makes up the % of Maori ?
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:33am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      I haven’t got it from anywhere, I was just fixing the statement made by Special K. There seems to be general consensus that the percentage of New Zealanders who identify as Maori is around the 15% mark, although as you point out it’s hard to know given the appalling non-compliance of a legal and societal obligation.
      
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      July 21, 2023 9:48am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He will tell you he never put them there in 2020
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:54am
- Dave
  
  … introduced Hōkai Rangi in August 2019, a long-term strategy which aims to drastically cut the number of Māori in prison from 52 percent down to 16 – to match the overall Māori population.
  
  Were this strategy to succeed by reducing Māori offending, it would be a tremendously beneficial outcome for everyone but…
  
  1) Achieving significant intentional social change is difficult, often unsuccessful, and can come with unintended adverse outcomes. Kim Workman seems undeterred by his own previous, admitted failure.
  2) Labour’s record of implementation is poor.
  3) Internet information on HR, according to my brief search, is more vague and visionary (‘aspirational’ – that’s the word) than specific on its implementation.
  4) No intermediate dates and minimum outcomes are identified for evaluation.
  5) Given that crime is particularly concentrated among young males and that the median Māori age is about 10 years less than the NZ European median, 16% is almost certainly an unrealistically low figure of comparison.
  
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  July 21, 2023 10:10am
- david
  
  Interesting that the objective has never been stated as “reduce Maori offending to match their proportion of the general population” as that would take some effort. Instead we get “reduce the Maori prison population ……” which can be (and has been) done at the stroke of a pen.
  
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  July 21, 2023 2:00pm
  - david
    
    Sorry Dave, hadn’t read your more comprehensive comment before pressing post.
    
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    July 21, 2023 2:41pm
slightlyrighty

Dear District Court Judge, Hon Stephen Bonner, KC.

I guess your ‘judgements’ will be under a great deal of scrutiny now, because the young man you released 4 months ago is now dead, and took 2 innocent people with him.

I trust that you will learn from this experience. I hope you realise that this man, and those who supported him, gamed the system to the point that his safety, and the safety of those around him was compromised. Was that ever a consideration for you?

The purpose of the justice system is to provide consequences for crimes, and opportunity to learn from mistakes.

Well, I feel that you, Judge Bonner, made a mistake, and now there are consequences. I know little of you as a person, but I hope that you feel some measure of responsibility for the deaths that occurred yesterday, including that of the gunman. The worst of those consequences have not been directly visited on you, but on innocent people. Please reflect on this.

I hope that you learn from this egregious mistake, and I hope the justice system learns from this as well.
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July 21, 2023 8:14am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Well said.
  
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  July 21, 2023 10:18am
BarryB

Ukraine war update.

First of all the recent NATO conference in Lithuania. Several things from this conference. NATO says that its not the time for Ukraine to be considered for NATO membership (well obviously – NATO has no intention of admitting a new member that is currently in a state of war – that would mean a European wide war – at least – and probably world wide war).
Zelensky was at time left wandering around the conference venue in Vilnius looking like a spare cock at a wedding – with no one to talk to. A UK high level official of the UK Defence Ministry says that “Ukraine is asking for too much – we aren’t Amazon”

It has also emerged that the HIMARS rockets that the US is sending to Ukraine (all this AID is a loan – its not gifted) can only be used for targets that the US permits. The Himars have a range of 300Km and are multiple headed rockets that can be sent to different targets from the same rocket. Now its obvious that since they can only be targeted at permitted targets that US personel will be in the Ukraine supervising the operation of them. As well the US military will be loving the situation – they will be selecting a range of targets to see how effective the rockets are. What better opportunity for the military…..

On the ground the summer offensive has not gone well….. which isn’t good news as it shows that the aid the west has provided has not been well used. Analysis of the situation is that the Ukraine tried to use a mobility offensive (ie: use vehicles to move fast) but it has failed. The battle field is littered with destroyed Bradley armored vehicles and tanks. The fact is that the Russians have a VERY deep defensive set up and so far the Ukraine forces haven’t even got as far as the first (of 3) Russian defensive lines. So now the Ukrainians have to revert to a knock them down and slog it out artillery fight – and for that they think they need these cluster weapons. They will first have to knock out the Russian defenses (which are heavily based on artillery) before they can make any headway with a mobile offensive.
The Russians have advised that it will be cluster weapons for cluster weapons……

None of this is to assume the Russians are in any way better organized or supported. The recent apparent attempt by the Wagner group to mount a coup isnt great PR for Putin and its been obvious for years that corruption is rife in the Russian Military (and probably every where else.). But if nothing else the Russians are well proven at artillery use and are probably using the same defensive techniques that were proven seriously effective against a much better military setup than the Ukrainian military- ie: the German war machine of WWII.

Meanwhile the average Bill and Mary Ukranian citizen continues to see his/her country ruined. Its almost certain that Ukraine will not get the return of its lost territory by military means and unless there is a good reason for Putin (or his successor) to talk then at this time all that is going to happen is that the Ukraine will continue to be ruined and the signs from Vilnius conference are that patience with Zalinsky is starting to wear thin.

Ukrainian population is 1985 was about 51 million, today in 2023 its 36 million. Ill bet the majority of that 15 million drop were males of military service age. Wonder why………….
And there will be fewer Ukrainians when in a few years time the unexploded cluster bomblets are stood on by either western or eastern Ukrainians as they start to clean up the wreckage that the fighting has left behind.
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July 21, 2023 8:15am
- Lance
  
  The Russians are already using cluster weapons FFS
  
  And are you trying to tell us that any capitulation to give away more invaded Ukrainian territory for peace, would mean anything other than a few years for that evil shit Putin to regroup and go again?
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:18am
  - Grunter
    
    Lance – correct, there appears to be a lot of reports that the Russians have used cluster bombs in Ukraine.
    
    More importantly – all wars eventually end in some sort of negotiated peace or cease fire. This one is particularly hellish, possibly as bad as they get historically. So the sooner there is negotiated peace the better.
    
    If you are right in predicting that Putin will continue and “go again” then we are basically all pharked. Both sides (NATO/Russia) have nukes, so whoever starts loosing a conventional war and senses an existential threat to their homeland is highly likely to start pushing big red buttons at some point.
    
    So are you really advocating to continue to have a NATO-Russian war until Russia is so cornered that they only have one option left (nukes)?
    
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    July 21, 2023 11:24am
    - Lance
      
      Cornered?
      
      About the only thing cornered is Putin’s reputation. I can’t see the Russian MoD allowing Putin to burn half the world including Russia to keep his kleptocracy going. He already keeps on the move all the time to avoid being assassinated. There are many generals who clearly have had a gutful of this incompetent Tzar.
      I have seen a number of financial experts who say Russia has to end this war before the end of the year or it will be in serious financial difficulties.
      
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      July 21, 2023 12:51pm
      - Grunter
        
        Lance – so if they are indeed in financial difficulties therefore they aren’t a serious military threat to the rest of Europe? Or anyone for that matter? So how do they “go again”…..
        
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        July 21, 2023 3:33pm
  - Paulus
    
    Russia gets cluster bombs from Iran and North Korea and has done for some time.
    
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    July 21, 2023 1:46pm
- Cinematic
  
  I presume the ‘summer offensive’ you refer to is the ongoing Ukrainian counteroffensive. The full picture of the counteroffensives success (or otherwise) has yet to be seen. The internal strife within Russias ruling cabal and MOD is something to behold though.
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:34am
- NothingLeft
  
  Ukrainians are rapidly wiping out Russian artillery, 20-30 guns or something like 1-2% of Russian artillery every day, with their superior range, accuracy, training and location systems. This is starting to have big impact, and within a few months will see Russia severely diminished in combat effectiveness. Russia do not have ability to replace even a fraction of their heavy weapon losses.
  
  US supplied cluster munitions will be very helpful for Ukraine in clearing or suppressing entrenched Russian infantry, Russia has been using cluster munitions and thermobaric bombs throughout conflict to great effect against infantry.
  
  The depth and density of minefields is a huge problem for Ukraine offense, 10’s of millions of mines make rapid advance impossible, and no way to clear them quickly – efforts to do so mean long periods exposed to enemy fire.
  
  Conflict is largely stalemated at the moment, but likely Kerch Bridge will be destroyed in next month or two and attrition of Russian heavy weaponry might eventually make it possible for Ukrainians to start advancing. I would say 50-50 they get through to sea of Azov this year and retake south and perhaps 10-20% they retake Crimea as well, but they won’t take Eastern Ukraine back.
  
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  July 21, 2023 10:03am
  - Grunter
    
    Sounds like a BBC report…… ie complete BS.
    
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    July 21, 2023 11:08am
- Burtland
  
  the NATO conference was very successful, it had 2 new members thanks to Vladolf Putler
  
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  July 21, 2023 10:24am
  - Grunter
    
    I wonder if the people of Sweden now feel safer or in more danger as they wait for their NATO membership to be ratified? Having the military might of Germany, UK, France…….(maybe 200 battle-ready tanks between them), and the bankrupt USA to protect them……..
    
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    July 21, 2023 11:32am
    - Lance
      
      Wow… a Kremlin leaflet if ever I saw one.
      All the world has piddling and inconsequential military resources compared to mighty Russia?
      
      This has to be a parody account surely
      
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      July 21, 2023 12:55pm
      - Grunter
        
        Try this Lance – just one example to keep things concise….
        https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.php
        Out of date no doubt, but the Russians have 12,566 tanks. The UK a few weeks ago publically told Ukraine that the Amazon shop only had 40 war ready tanks left!
        
        “This has to be parody” – classic comment, great argument, so insightful, you’ve completely convinced my with that one!
        
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        July 21, 2023 1:28pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        Russia’s arm reserves are a Potemkin village like their old May Day military displays where they would send fleets of planes circling over the Kremlin. They had huge outdoor depots full of heavy weapons accumulated during 40yr cold war – but that ended more than 30 years back. After the collapse of USSR they were completely neglected for long decades with no maintenance exposed to severe weather, and were picked over by scavengers for anything that could be easily removed and sold for scrap (aluminium, brass, copper components etc). Hatches were left open as a result wrecking interiors. Engines are all buggered. Barrel bores and firing mechanisms rusted, some can be restored to (poor) function with extensive refurbishment, but mostly they are nothing but rusted ornaments.
        
        The (documented) result is Russia desperately sending barely functional 60yr old T55s tanks to the front line to serve as makeshift artillery, to make up for 4100+ tanks they’ve lost (and 8000 APCS, 4500 Artillery systems etc), because the more modern stuff they supposedly have isn’t useable and the T55s are less complex so more feasible to recondition to get them moving.
        
        And that is not accounting for wear and tear – typically half of gear will fail outside of combat, and gun barrels are only good for a few 1000 shots, all remaining russian artillery is inaccurate dangerous junk at this point after firing something like 10-15million shells to date, and remaining shells are frequently now rusted and decades past use-by increasing danger to crews.
        
        Russia has in recent decades only been build a few 10’s of guns and 1-200 tanks, that’s just a few % of their current ‘burn’ rate. They never anticipated having to get into major arms production – they thought the war would be over in a week. They don’t have the industrial capacity, materials (sanction effects) or skilled workers to match usage rates in any useful amount of time.
        
        A week or two back it was reported that Ukraine now has more functional tanks (1500) than Russia (1400), and about 1100 guns to Russia’s remaining 1900, but Russia is losing 20 guns a day with no way to replace them. Russia does still have an airforce that Ukraine lacks, but their missile stocks are gone, with only a few 10’s being produced every month – mostly being shot down now along with their Iranian sourced drones.
        
        We are seeing increasing complaints of shortages from Russian side, their artillery firing rate has plummeted from 60000 a day in opening months, to 10-20000/day now (still several x 3-5000 of Ukraine), that’s 5-10x their million a year production capacity, and that will mean critical shortage as they exhaust stocks some time in next few months. Inaccurate, unreliable and short on supply is a terrible combination.
        
        The last advantage Russia still has is more warm bodies (though very low quality due to poor training and reluctant participation), but that can’t overcome a Materiel shortage
        
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        July 21, 2023 2:43pm
- rangitoto
  
  The type of Himars rockets that Ukraine currently have are the GMLRS type with a max range of 80 kms. Himars can fire ATACMS rockets which have a range of 300 km but Ukraine hasn’t been given those. There are also the new PrSM missile with a 500km range but not in service yet.
  
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  July 21, 2023 11:45am
  - Lance
    
    The new British/French cruise missiles, the Storm Shadows’, are apparently stunningly successful, albeit a bit expensive to fire off in large numbers.
    The are behind most of the recent Ukrainian deep penetration successes.
    
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    July 21, 2023 12:58pm
Philview

I was busy with work yesterday so missed the TV reporting of the situation in Auckland. Just based on reading online media I get the impression that the media isn’t delving too deeply at this point. The Christchurch shootings and other events saw journalists at the hospital interviewing staff and patients. I could be wrong but just feels like the reporting of this is being carefully managed.
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July 21, 2023 8:15am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They have had a couple of other articles making Labour look bad, they will know this will lose support from the Willy wofter parties
  
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  July 21, 2023 10:01am
Sparrow

Education, Health, Media, Housing, Justice, Infrastructure. Whats left ?
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July 21, 2023 8:19am
- PeeJay
  
  In a way, I suppose it’s bloody amazing the damage they’ve managed to do the country in not quite six years.
  
  When the coalition of losers took over in 2017, I thought it would be a cluster, but I’ve been impressed by how just how much damage they’ve been able to inflict.
  
  I suspect it’ll take at least 3 terms to clean up their mess.
  
  The debt they’ll leave to an incoming government though won’t be cleaned up – we’ll be stuck with that I fear!
  
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  July 21, 2023 11:38am
Maggie Pie

“Here comes the Dudge”

– Shorty Long [1968]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300553999/dilworth-school-tutor-sentenced-to-home-detention-for-sexually-abusing-boys
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July 21, 2023 8:20am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  His Honour Bonnar sure seems to like HomeD.
  
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  July 21, 2023 8:08pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Just who has been fomenting “hatred and division” in New Zealand?

Is it the conspiracy theorists, as RNZ’s “Undercurrent” series would have us believe?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/undercurrent

Or is it this Labour Government…
However, under the abysmal leadership of Jacinda Ardern, Labour adopted the extremist agenda of those radical Maori supremacists, producing He Puapua – their blueprint for tribal control – and sowing the seeds of racial division.

Chris Hipkins is also culpable for undermining social cohesion in New Zealand – not only for supporting the He Puapua rollout when he was a Cabinet Minister, but for not stopping it when he became PM.

And now that we know he’s lost control of the He Puapua agenda, its surely time New Zealanders took a stand to reject outright the division of our country by race.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/muriel-newman-all-are-equal
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July 21, 2023 8:34am
- Tony Stuart
  
  James Shaw is the poster boy for Undercurrent, using the assault on him of a few years ago (which was pretty universally condemned) as a justification for Ministers especially avoiding the public during the election campaign.
  
  Interestingly, it hasn’t stopped Christopher Luxon and David Seymour barnstorming up and down the country drawing capacity crowds wherever they speak. If Labour and the Greens want to fight this election online or in the media, I suggest they are going to run into significant resistance from the electorate.
  
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  July 21, 2023 8:46am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Go have a look at the FACT organisation Tony – they one of those disinformation witch hunting organisation.
    
    Karl du Fresne has a post up that has a comment on FACT organisation trust status – with some names of trustees and surprise, surprise two of those names appear to have links to the NZ Greens (if you google search the names)….
    
    The whole Disinformation/Mal-information push by organisations like FACT and the Disinformation Project is Greens and Labour backed political attacks on anyone who doesn’t agree with the authoritarian flavours of politics…
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:03am
    - I remember when
      
      Fact Aotearoa –
      that sounds right.
      
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      July 21, 2023 9:38am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    It’s also very important to note that the guy that assaulted Shaw did so because he was in pain over a miscarriage in his family and Shaw basically ignored him.
    Still completely wrong of course but that was the sole reason for the assault.
    The Greens however made up lies that he was screaming about the global migration compact etc and used it to try to tarnish their opponents.
    It’s funny that they’re “concerned” about misinformation.
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:16am
  - Matt Long
    
    2020, Trump has capacity crowds at stadia, accompanied by hysterical criticism that they’ll all die of COVID, and infect all the responsible people too.
    Biden hides in his basement and wins the election.
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:22am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    Was it Shaw they interviewed and disguised his voice?
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:31am
- Paulus
  
  Maori will continue to get total control via Local and Regional Governments.
  Watch how they do it like a growing cancer infiltrating.
  Slowly, slowly until the have control whether elected or not.
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:37am
Ehlana

Am I alone in thinking that yesterday’s shooter probably got his weapon from someone who didn’t have a gun license? Someone who didn’t give up any guns after Christchurch? Perhaps one of those who proclaimed at the time that they “needed” theirs?

At the time, we confiscated guns from legal owners because someone gave out a gun license when they shouldn’t have.

I recently heard of motorcycle licenses being given out when they shouldn’t have. No doubt we’ll be confiscating motorcycles soon. Except, of course, from those who “need” theirs.
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July 21, 2023 8:46am
- cmm
  
  The vast majority of the guns that were handed in during the buyback and amnesty were legal guns that either:
  * People had but decided to sell because they were not using them any more and could get a better price than the second hand dealer.
  * Newly illegal guns that people could no longer own.
  
  The median buyback price was over $2k. That’s a high price for a second hand gun. Probably more twice what you’d get selling to a second hand dealer. No wonder a few people leapt at the offer.
  
  Only 310 or so amnesty guns were handed in. I’ll place my standard bet of 50 cents and a servo pie that almost all of those were Old Fred’s duck hunting gun that was left in the safe after he died and nobody got around to sorting out.
  
  I’ll wager a bigger bet – $1 and a souvlaki – that only an extremely small number of amnesty guns were actually in the hands of criminals.
  
  Let’s face it. If you are a criminal, and thus have criminal contacts, then you can find a market for an illegal gun that would likely pay much better than the buyback.
  
  To further support my speculation, I see that most weapons handed in were in new, near new or used but good condition. Only 3% were in poor condition. Criminal guns are often in terrible condition so I doubt many of those got handed in.
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:18am
  - Matt Long
    
    Interesting to know if the shooter had a now illegal interchangeable box magazine or a pinned tube magazine.
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:26am
    - cmm
      
      Interchangeable box mags are pretty uncommon on shotguns. Sure, they exist, but are uncommon.
      
      I’d say a tube mag is far more likely.
      
      While you can’t refill a tube as fast as changing a box mag, proficient shooters can refill a tube mag pretty quickly.
      
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      July 21, 2023 9:54am
      - Jack5
        
        NZ regulations on pump-action shotguns, 2019:
        
        These pump action shotguns illegal:
        
        – Those capable of being used with a detachable magazine;
        
        – Those that have a non-detachable tubular magazine capable of holding more than 5 rounds.
        
        Shotgun magazines, detachable or not, that hold more than five rounds, are banned.
        
        In rifles, 10 rounds seems to be the maximum permitted magazine capacity.
        
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        July 21, 2023 11:45am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      6 shots fired, I guess a 5 shot mag and one up the spout
      
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      July 21, 2023 10:07am
      - Dougal10
        
        He probably bought it pre loaded.
        
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        July 21, 2023 12:38pm
Maggie Pie

Labor scrubs their ‘anti-prison’ policy from website.
But the internet is forever 😀

https://twitter.com/PatriotNz2022/status/1681937961213112321
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July 21, 2023 8:47am
- JimBobJoe
  
  https://twitter.com/Wildnfree1984/status/1681930886005108736
  
  I thought you might have posted this one Mags???
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:09am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YUK!!
    What’s yellow & slimy and can travel backwards at 200kph ?
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:29am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Good grief. How is he going to cope on 20 September when he encounters Kellie Jay Keen and a couple of thousand supporters. Because it won’t be like last time.
    
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    July 21, 2023 11:16am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  And they think we will forget !
  
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  July 21, 2023 10:07am
edhunter

Am I the only one who thinks there needs to be a statute of limitations on historic crimes? Not for a second minimalism or dismissing the crime committed but charging a 74 yr old man for something a 19yr old did makes no sense to me.
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July 21, 2023 8:50am
- cmm
  
  If you’ve managed to keep your nose clean for 54 years then I don’t see how spending a few years in prison is going to be needed to reform you in any way.
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:03am
- Ehlana
  
  There is a statute of limitations in NZ, the Criminal Procedure Act. It seems that, depending on the offence, the limit is up to 5 years, but the Solicitor-General can give consent for filing after that.
  
  Edited to add that there are “Category 4” offences which don’t have limits – like murder, manslaughter, torture and terrorism.
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:09am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    There was a famous case in Sydney last year. Guy convicted of murdering his wife in 1982. The guy was a real piece of work. Back in 1982 he told everyone that his wife, a mother of three young children, had run off to join a cult.
    
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    July 21, 2023 11:18am
    - alwyn.a
      
      1982? But that is barely yesterday.
      In 2022 a German Court sentenced a 101 year old former concentration camp guard to 5 years in prison for crimes that had taken place between 1942 and 1945.
      I don’t believe that such old people actually have to serve out the sentence but they can still be tried.
      
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      July 21, 2023 11:55am
- Matt Long
  
  Did he make reparation to the victim?
  Has he just got better at covering his crime?
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:27am
- Libertarians are right
  
  No. It’s not just about reformation, it’s also about Punishment and a small sense of justice for the victims.
  
  The idea that you just need to hide your crime for a while and then you’re free isn’t something we should be telling prospective criminals. They should fear being caught and hopefully that will stop some from offending.
  
  But mostly, it’s about the victims. Not just his, but all victims of serious sexual assaults. They need to know that justice is on their side and that these animals will be held to account for their actions.
  
  There’s a very good series on Netflix called Unbelievable with a story that’s split into two timelines (separated by 4-5yrs) – based on a true story. At the end, the victim from the earlier period contacts the cops who finally got the guy and thanks them, saying that it meant everything to her that there was someone out there that was looking out for her without her knowing.
  
  Victims should always be the priority.
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:31am
Mike H S

Would those who reckoned that Brooke Van Velden hasn’t got a chance in Tamaki, like to read the ACT polling result that shows her just 2% behind OConnor with three months to go.
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July 21, 2023 8:53am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  I think that Labour and National are going to get a wake up call on 15/10 when they realise that neither of them a as popular as they think they are.
  
  Nats think that the Country vote is their ” by right” and Labour think the same for the Maori and P Is votes. Judging by the numbers that Luxon got to a meeting in the Labour heartland of Manurewa, Labour might get a surprise and in the Maori seats Labour could possibly lose at least half to TPM.
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:05am
  - I remember when
    
    fightingtemeraire:
    Once a community becomes divided this is what often happens.
    Support for the centre diminishes, because personal issues become more important to disenchanted voters.
    However, right is still right and left is still left.
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:27am
    - Taieri
      
      Once a community becomes divided this is what often happens.
      ———–
      
      Once a community becomes divided it is no longer a community. A community can only exist if its members share similar values, have similar aspirations and are prepared to work for shared goals. Otherwise, a “community” is just a meaningless slogan.
      
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      July 21, 2023 10:41am
      - Jack5
        
        Prebble on Internet site The Platform recently said that in recent history, one-term governments were the norm during inflation.
        
        MMP will make Government even more unstable until inflation is tamed over the next decade.
        
        Our political parties should be thinking not just about the general election 85 days from now. They need to think about the one three years after that.
        
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        July 21, 2023 11:32am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    What crap, only ever heard Labour take votes for granted, yes ACT is getting support, but it’s a centre right vote, so Nats have consistently polled between 35-38% in polls, except for idiotic Labour internals, and crazy Morgan that has Green’s often at 13% and Māori at 7%, what are you suggesting? Nats in the30s ? Because the support they are getting in meetings from one end of the country to the other is huge, s as no another thing, they are getting new members at a faster speed than ever before, snd it’s the areas that say they are struggling in with woman and the young, they had a night meeting in Northland the other day showing a room full of people and all would be under 40, there may well be a surprise at this election, but I hardly think the party that will rule a new government will be shanked with the support they are getting
    
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    July 21, 2023 10:31am
- Tony Stuart
  
  “Act polling results” – pardon my cynicism. And in the long term BVV may well regret having Matthew Hooten shilling for her; remember Todd Muller and Nikki Kaye?
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:06am
  - pdm
    
    Inv – I refute your first sentence and hope you are way way wrong in your second.
    
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    July 21, 2023 9:12am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    A bit desperate Tony
    
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    July 21, 2023 2:54pm
- Matt Long
  
  The problem for ACT is that by targeting conservative held electorates in National, they lose conservative support where it counts in the party vote.
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:31am
  - Mike H S
    
    What has happened in Tamaki is S OConnor has really got offside with the female voters with his tweet after the US Supreme Court decision on abortion. OConnor has got himself offside with the majorit y of middle aged women. My sister, daughter, niece and nephew’s wife all live in the electorate. If Brooke wins this seat it will certainly raise the profile of ACT and they will continue to pick up party votes in the long game.
    
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    July 21, 2023 1:15pm
- Paulus
  
  She as a good looking young woman pakeha will win Tamaki.
  Main factor in today’s world she is a woman nothing else.
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:40am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    And her support in the last three elections? When she was younger?
    
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    July 21, 2023 10:33am
- Philview
  
  I recall reading a Stuff article about Brooke a year or so ago and was shocked by some of the insulting comments that were allowed by the moderator. Since then I have felt fondness for Brooke and also appreciate that she is a tough young woman.
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:40am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes, but the parties are well apart, I thought ACT voters knew to electorate vote Nats snd party vote Act, how many will actually party vote ACT only now? Because splitting the vote only gives Labour a sniff.
  
  The funny thing is, how did Hooten know that poll result? Now we know why he has been bitching about Nats, he is playing the dirty game a few here have, he was a boil lanced by Nats so hood riddance
  
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  July 21, 2023 10:24am
Jack5

Stuff keeps telling us that Auckland is “New Zealand’s biggest city.”

Are Stuff news stories edited online in Bangladesh?
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July 21, 2023 9:00am
JJ56

Random question.

Are those that cry the other mob are politicising a tragedy, politicising the tragedy?
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July 21, 2023 9:06am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Indeed,
  
  They clearly want to control the narrative…and direct the public’s attention away from asking uncomfortable questions.
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:40am
- Handyman
  
  A common tactic.
  1. Russia invades Ukraine and send missiles to Kiev to destroy power systems.
  2. Declares that any attack on Russian soil is an act of war.
  3. NATO forbids Ukraine to use weapons to attack Russian forces over the border.
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:42am
Scooter

How long before NZ has a shooting at a school (God forbid). No one would have thought we’d have what happened in Christchurch and now same lame platitudes about Auckland, who would have thought that could happen etc.
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July 21, 2023 9:09am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  How long before NZ has a shooting at a school (God forbid).
  
  Alas, we’ve already had one…..Nearly 100 years ago.
  2 pupils killed.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waikino_school_shooting
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:32am
  - I remember when
    
    Does the broadcasting of the fact that the Auckland shooting are not political, or ideological, emphasize the possibilities presented by this use.
    Saying they don’t happen here also suggests a way to become important.
    Surely, an encouragement for the disaffected.
    
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    July 21, 2023 10:26am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Oh we have had these shootings with idiots who should always have been locked up under Labour before, remember Graham Burton? And I have a funny feeling Bell the working man’s club murderer was also on parole after several high profile violence offences
  
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  July 21, 2023 10:36am
I remember when

For Europe’s isolated elderly population, heat is the new covid. NY Times.

Didn’t see that coming!!
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July 21, 2023 9:19am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Another fraudulent narrative. Fully debunked here.
  
  https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/it-aint-actually-that-hot-mum/
  
  HOPEFULLY you’re all utterly terrified of the Earth spontaneously combusting as heat apocalypse Cerberus roasts southern Europe.
  Apparently, it’s the same weather system which is toasting the southern United States.
  
  Well, amidst all the exaggeration and panic and doomsday predictions, I’m afraid that the current temperatures are nowhere near those in the boiling 1920s and 1930s – the years of the US dustbowl described in John Steinbeck’s The Grapes of Wrath.
  
  Yet in the 1920s and 1930s, atmospheric CO2 levels were just over 300 parts per million (ppm) compared with around 415 ppm today.
  
  The BBC is leading the charge in trying to scare us all witless about our imminent demise due to scorching weather. But a dopey Corporation journalist gave the game away when she told us that the current US heatwave came after ‘more than 260 days of below-average temperatures, which is a cool record for Las Vegas’. The blunder comes at around 5.20 minutes into the video.
  
  It’s nonsensical fear mongering. It’s part of the ‘great reset’. That can’t happen until they destroy our current way of life. It started with covid, it continues with ‘climate change’. Both narratives are fraudulent.
  
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  July 21, 2023 10:13am
Maggie Pie

I know the feeling…..

https://twitter.com/wasted/status/1681804355073089536

(full screen/sound up)
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July 21, 2023 9:33am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, they have defensive driving courses so maybe defensive lifting courses apply in this case. Or, for every action there is a reaction.
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:59am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Slightly more complex version of the foot on the rake analogy. Though you could see this one coming!!
  
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  July 21, 2023 10:55am
I remember when

At least 31 people have been killed in recent weeks in anti-government protests in Kenya: NY Times

Political climate change?
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July 21, 2023 9:50am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Unless it is being led by an organised political group with a clear agenda and the means to contest future elections or otherwise change and subsequently be the government, it’s likely that this unrest will simply peter out and change nothing. Like the riots in Iran after a young woman was killed by the police for letting her hair show, or the so-called “Arab Spring”.
  
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  July 21, 2023 10:22am
Maggy Wassilieff

PM Hipkins says that the Review into the Auckland Shooting will try and determine if there were any red flags to signal that a tragedy was to unfold.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300931378/review-of-potential-red-flags-before-fatal-shooting-launched

I would suggest that the first red flag would have been the most obvious… the killer failed to acknowledge his violent crime when he strangled his partner and fractured her neck.

When Reid was spoken to by police, he denied any criminality in regard to the injuries suffered by the victim and said it was as a result of rough sex.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300931632/auckland-cbd-shooter-you-dont-know-what-im-capable-of
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July 21, 2023 9:54am
- Taieri
  
  the killer failed to acknowledge his violent crime when he strangled his partner and fractured her neck
  ————–
  
  And the court failed to acknowledge the above failure…
  
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  July 21, 2023 10:35am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Anyone who is awaiting violence offences should either be locked up or home D should not let them see the light of day
  
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  July 21, 2023 10:37am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Why would anyone be awaiting violence offences. Are they expecting a smack in the head from somewhere?
    Read your comment before posting FFS.
    
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    July 21, 2023 1:15pm
Inandout

So Dryberg says 3 Strikes is an appalling piece of legislation and doesn’t reduce crime. I suspect her views are liberally sprinkled throughout our legal system and this is what we law abiders have to face.
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July 21, 2023 9:56am
- Cinematic
  
  Somebody let Dryberg know that consequences seem to work very well in Singapore.
  
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  July 21, 2023 10:39am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    This story shows how Singapore is different.
    
    Guy steals 3 cans of coke from a corner store. Police called. Police use cameras to identify the guy. They then raid his apartment. 6 weeks in prison.
    
    https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/man-steal-3-cans-coca-cola-minimart-jailed-6-weeks-2934896
    
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    July 21, 2023 11:27am
NothingLeft

More and more releases of documents relating to Biden’s corruption. Lack of indictment is itself an indictment of failed rule-of-law in US:

“Burisma paid $10 million in bribes to the Biden family so that Joe Biden would make the company’s legal problems in Ukraine go away, according to a confidential human source report the FBI tried to hide.

A Burisma executive said they only hired Hunter Biden so Joe Biden would help them. The executive said Hunter Biden was “stupid” and that the executive’s dog “was smarter” than Hunter Biden.

Recall that Democrats in Congress impeached Trump because he asked about this corruption in a phone call with Ukraine’s president.”

https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1682083838141378561/photo/1
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July 21, 2023 10:11am
- Inandout
  
  NL, someone mentioned John Kerry and son. I know John owns a private jet, but his son?
  
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  July 21, 2023 10:29am
  - NothingLeft
    
    At this point it would be more surprising to see a non-corrupt cabinet member in the USA. VP and Secretary of State appear to be a license to print money (at least for democrats), and that is without looking at insider trading of their Senate and Congress.
    
    Note that FBI and DOJ had all of this Burisma info months prior to the 2020 Election, but decided to keep it quiet, and in fact assisted in indicting Trump for his phone call to Ukraine trying to get to the bottom of it. Clearly a political conspiracy to elect Biden/remove Trump within DOJ/FBI/CIA/NSA.
    
    Trump’s a massive Twat, but this is death-of-democracy level stuff for USA
    
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    July 21, 2023 11:17am
- virtualmark
  
  Careful.
  
  This FBI form that Chuck Grassley released today is a huge pile of unreliable sh#t that Bill Barr’s (remember him?) DoJ investigated in mid-2020 and discarded as being untrue. Surely if there was any meat to it Barr and Trump would have wielded it in the 2020 election … but they didn’t.
  
  Happy to detail the multiple ways that it’s not reliable … but that would be a long post.
  
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  July 21, 2023 12:58pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Just provide us with your sources at CNN, MSNBC, Rolling Stone, and the rest of the All-Biden-Defence All-Day MSM crews.
    
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    July 21, 2023 8:34pm
Chuck Bird

FYI

McBLOG: WHO loves transing the children

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QiuBupAuYY
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July 21, 2023 10:16am
Swifty

I shot out early this morning to grab the Herald, specifically to read the article on John Tamihere and the donations affair.

What a sorry tale.

The Waipareira Trust, of which he is the CEO, gave him just under $400,000 for election expenses and which was later relabelled as a loan only once the Charities Commission got involved and started asking questions.

The Commission’s key point of course is that advancing monies for political purposes is expressly forbidden under charities law. It is an unlawful activity.

This hasn’t stopped the Trust however. Nor another organisation that Tamihere is also the CEO of. The National Urban Maori Authority has also given him money for his political campaigns.

And now too we find that Waipareira has also funded Te Maori Party to the tune of $200,000 for their 2020 campaign!

Quite how funding the political interests of Tamihere and his family and friends in The Maori Party constitutes a charitable purpose remains unclear – and especially as charities law expressly forbids it.

Nonetheless, Tamihere has labelled this investigation into his affairs as a ‘racist attack on Maori’ and has had his legal representatives go on the warpath, it appears, with multiple complaints being made by Commission staff over their aggressive behaviour and communications, bullying and personal attacks etc.

What is now absolutely clear is that Tamihere and the Maori Party have benefitted from hundreds of thousands of dollars of money unlawfully gifted to them by charities controlled directly by Tamihere – in direct flouting and contravention of Charities Law and are seemingly be able to get away with it simply by having to ask Tamihere to pay it back – but not ensuring he does so and quickly.

It absolutely pains me to say this, but I think it’s fair to say that there is a public perception that Maori organisations are more likely to mismanage public money and in fact be on the fiddle. Whether this is actually true or not I cannot say. I certainly hope not. But what I can say is that this from Tamihere and others just smacks of corrupt practice, is a total abuse of charitable funds, is clearly unlawful and confirms peoples’ fears about money mismanagement in Maoridom.

If Tamihere and/or Waipareira or NUMA have broken the law then I expect prosecutions. This is Zimbabwe stuff. This whole affair is a great example to us of the character of those involved – and they want us to believe they have our best interests at heart. They want to be part of the next government – and they want more public money being shovelled their way and to other Maori organisations.

Will we be allowed to just come out and say it? These people are crooks. But if you call them out on it then that makes you a racist!
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July 21, 2023 10:18am
- Blog-aholic
  
  No it doesn’t make you a racist.
  
  That trope is heavily used by people who do not want to answer hard questions.
  
  Yes, they are crooks regardless of their ethnicity.
  
  Sadly in clown town NZ because of their ethnicity they get away with it when they really should not.
  
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  July 21, 2023 10:29am
- ClanMcleod
  
  He’s clearly a fraudster and a thief. But he’s ‘special’ so nothing will be done about it. Just like in the rest of the ‘justice’ system.
  NZ is rapidly becoming a banana republic.
  
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  July 21, 2023 11:00am
Maggie Pie

Just heard a lawyer by the name of Marie Dryberg being interviewed on ZB.
Gave an even greater meaning to the term… ‘crim-hugger’ 🙁

SHEESH!
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July 21, 2023 10:25am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, as an aside there was once a prominent Auckland barrister who mixed freely with the criminal element in pubs and elsewhere. His views were equally ‘crim hugging’.
  
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  July 21, 2023 10:33am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Did Labor appoint him to the Bench?
    
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    July 21, 2023 11:23am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

On the idiot box play school TV1 breakfast Police Minister Ginny was on.
She asked how Matu Reid was able to get a fireams license to be able to purchase a gun.
She was serious. This is NZ’s Minister of Police ffs.
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July 21, 2023 10:32am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He never had a fire arms license, that’s simply another bloody lie by a rotten minister, let me guess she was not pulled up on the lie?
  
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  July 21, 2023 10:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Media does not want to upset the natives e hoa?
    
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    July 21, 2023 11:14am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Gaslight Ginny is running low on gas.
  
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  July 21, 2023 10:46am
BeaB

But it cheered us all up no end to see Hipkins, Robertson and Ardern all grinning excitedly with the soccer team. What fun they all had!
A nation in mourning? Bollocks. A nation enraged more like.
While this odious troika has such a good time together.
And we live miserably in the wreckage they have made of our country.
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July 21, 2023 10:59am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Hipkin’s “nation in mourning” comment was nauseating. It was a political comment without a shred of sincerity. Almost as nauseating as Ardern and her hijab antics after Christchurch.
  
  Using the murder of innocent people as a political prop is as transparent as it is abhorrent. The nation is not in mourning. The vast majority of people are really sad that our justice system is such a farce it enables and encourages rampant crime, including murder.
  
  The families are in mourning – most of the rest of us feel very sad for them and angry that we have an ineffective criminal system.
  
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  July 21, 2023 11:29am
- newview
  
  Yes BeaB the media had him flying immediately to Auckland to deal with this tragedy but really he and his cohorts were going anyway to watch the football.
  Very convenient.
  
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  July 21, 2023 2:52pm
  - Ghost
    
    he was going to Hautapu to announce the government giving frontera $90 million to transition away from coal. They cancelled that presser and went to Auckland.
    
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    July 21, 2023 2:57pm
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  [Unnecessary – try an actual comment. mod.]
  
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  July 21, 2023 3:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/massive-event-in-picton/

Two venues canceled because of protestor threats, so the meeting was held in a marquee on private land. This movement is unstoppable now. New Zealand now has domestic terrorists trying to stop what they don’t like – the truth.
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July 21, 2023 11:11am
ClanMcleod

Coming rapidly to NZ unless this government is consigned to the history books in a landslide.

San Francisco is a ‘hellhole’ that epitomizes everything wrong with how progressives govern cities. That’s because Democrats in City Hall believe that most criminals are victims — don’t arrest them — which allows for open-air drug markets, homelessness, and violent crime to thrive.

Due to failed social justice reform policies, the business conditions in downtown San Francisco have become challenging. Furthermore, the ongoing structural decline in demand for office space has thwarted any potential economic recovery in the area.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/salesforce-ceo-warns-san-franciscos-collapsing-downtown-never-going-back-way-it-was?utm_source=
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July 21, 2023 11:18am
Maggie Pie

Actually, before I used the term ‘crim-hugger’ I thort I’d google it first.

Look what turned up…..

https://nominister.wordpress.com/2018/02/20/more-work-for-crim-hugger-kelvin-davis/

LOL!!
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July 21, 2023 11:20am
ClanMcleod

First it was Covid – Now We’re Being Scared into Submission Over the Weather

No shit Sherlock.

Allison Pearson’s column in today’s Telegraph is a corker, laying into the constant propaganda and psychological manipulation being thrown at us from official sources, first over Covid and now over weather and climate, to frighten us into compliance with extreme apocalyptic agendas. Here’s an excerpt.

You may have noticed that climate catastrophism has gone nuclear over the past week, as if on cue (we’ll come back to that), but the good old British weather refuses to cooperate. Disappointingly for the We’re All Gonna Fry brigade, it’s cool, rainy and sullen here with fitful gusts of wind; almost autumnal at times. As a July baby, I can tell you this is not unusual for July. (Prince George will have to get used to having his parties in the cloudy drizzle on our mutual birthday.)

Still, reporters scour the rest of Europe for better (i.e., bad) news. Tourists at the Trevi Fountain in Rome are invited to agree that the weather is “unbearable”. If it’s unbearable, why aren’t they back in their hotel rooms with a wet towel on their heads instead of happily licking their pistachio gelato and soaking up the rays? Why are reports of wildfires in La Palma being linked to soaring temperatures, when the weather on the island is in fact unusually mild, and set to be in the mid-20s all week?

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/07/19/first-it-was-covid-now-were-being-scared-into-submission-over-the-weather/

It’s narrative control. It is baseless fearmongering used to impose things onto us all that would normally be totally unacceptable.

Just as with covid. Mask wearing, locked in your home, refused entry into your own country, social distancing, unable to visit dying relatives.
All tyrannical abuses made acceptable by a fraudulent narrative. Never forget, and when they try and impose more tyrannical abuses to ‘save the planet’, say no.
Do not comply. Learn from the covid nightmare and refuse to enable your own abuse.
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July 21, 2023 11:37am
thirteenstars

“IPCA to review Police response to “Let Women Speak” event in Albert Park Auckland on 25 March 2023″

https://www.ipca.govt.nz/Site/publications-and-media/2023-media-releases/2023-jul-20-ipca-review-let-women-speak.aspx

The Free Speech Union led the call to have police actions reviewed, and they remark:

“Ironically, on the same day the IPCA announced their review, Posie Parker (Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull) announced that she’ll be returning to New Zealand in September. Already we are seeing our would-be-censors once again organise to challenge her entry, and the right for Kiwis to hear from her.

Rest assured that our team is already preparing to oppose the challenge that will try and block her from entering the country.”

I can see it going both ways. Either the government will be gun shy about rocking the boat before the election by denying her a visa or they will see it as a last chance to stab free speech in the back because electorally-speaking, they’re on a hiding to nothing.
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July 21, 2023 11:59am
- herb1
  
  They’ll be well aware that their supporters only support free speech when it mirrors their beliefs
  
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  July 21, 2023 12:57pm
Maggie Pie

Just paid the Genesis bill…..$817.56.
Not even due till the 27th.
Anyone else pissed that they took away the ‘prompt-payment’ discount?
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July 21, 2023 12:03pm
- Don Beckett
  
  My bill with Genesis is $159.30. I guess my wife & I have only 1 shower each per day, and don’t turn on the Aircon very much – warmth is provided by our little wood burner. 🙂
  
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  July 21, 2023 1:28pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Goodness, you’re lucky with your little wood burner then Don.
    It’s only one thing or the other at our place.
    We have gas heating & hot water….electric for everything else.
    November to March it’s heating the pool. April to October it’s the marble floor tiles in all the bathrooms. We just can’t seem to take a trick.
    
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    July 21, 2023 2:02pm
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      Are you absolutely sure that Olympic-sized pools should be heated ?
      The other problem could be that your electric jug has a fault.
      
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      July 21, 2023 3:04pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Yesterday:
Kelly Jay on the Platform.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2pyosIspdM
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July 21, 2023 12:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Will be here for the charge of the person who assaulted her.
  Wants to give a speech on the steps outside the Court.
  
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  July 21, 2023 12:14pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Interesting. So the perp, Eliana Rubashkyn, apart from assaulting a tiny actual woman, has been sending nude and semi nude images to KJK!
  
  As posted up thread. Here’s the perp crying and playing victim (on social media!), promising to leave social media. Oh the irony……
  
  https://twitter.com/Wildnfree1984/status/1681930886005108736
  
  I wonder what this might have to do with the pending trial?
  
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  July 21, 2023 12:21pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Now a shortage of Vicks Vaporub
    
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    July 21, 2023 5:20pm
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      If I need it this is my go toHealth post .
      
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      July 21, 2023 5:30pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

From the Free Speech Union:

https://www.ipca.govt.nz/Site/publications-and-media/2023-media-releases/2023-jul-20-ipca-review-let-women-speak.aspx
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July 21, 2023 12:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Two Mongrel Mobsters from Gisborne have just been sentenced to life imprisonment (11-11.5 years) for shooting an innocent woman….. who was asking Black Power members to move their car that was rammed into a fence.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300929973/mongrel-mob-couple-get-life-sentences-for-murder-of-innocent-bystander

So much for ordinary members of the public having nothing to fear from Gangs!
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July 21, 2023 12:36pm
- herb1
  
  And these are the disgustingly low life’s lauded and admired by a number of the Maori community and condemned by none of their leaders.
  Until gangs and gang members are considered by the Maori community, paraphrasing Ardern “ they are not us” , Maori will remain at the bottom of the pile
  
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  July 21, 2023 12:53pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    How do you define the Maori community?
    
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    July 21, 2023 3:07pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The Mobster had a previous conviction for terrorising Indian Dairy Owners in Rotorua.
    
    He had a great deal of Whanau support at his court hearing back in 2008.
    
    When Walker, a father of two, appeared for sentencing in court yesterday the public gallery was full of members of his family supporting him.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/news/local-mans-reign-of-terror/XBSXZJ46W2DPDYAHFW54KWTEFM/
    
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    July 21, 2023 7:06pm
- David Garrett
  
  Mags: The main point for me is this pair of scum only got one and 1.5 years respectively in excess of the minimum NPP for murder of 10 years. In most US states given these facts these two would never be released.
  
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  July 21, 2023 2:16pm
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    They got the Special People discount. Being gang members should be an aggravating factor. I suggest a starting point would be a non parole period of 30 years and up from there. Add on the time for any other charges, consecutive of course.
    
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    July 22, 2023 10:06am
ClanMcleod

Be the first to speak up.

This is an edited extract from the chapter ‘Be the first to speak up’ from the new book Free Your Mind: The new world of manipulation and how to resist it by Laura Dodsworth and Patrick Fagan, out July 20th.

‘The Emperor’s New Clothes’ is a tale that raises questions about self-deception, conformity and obedience to authority. Like all good fairy tales, it conveys a charter for human behaviour – learning to speak first, like the boy, is good practice and will help you develop psychological resilience to mindless conformity.

And yet for most of us it is hard to speak up first. We often like the safety of the crowd.

Human beings are very social animals, having evolved in tribes. It makes evolutionary sense to follow the crowd: we don’t have the time or the energy to think through every decision in detail, and if everyone else is doing something, it’s probably correct. If everyone is screaming and running away, you probably ought to as well.

We look to others whom we perceive as better informed, and we like to stay on the right side of people. Conformity has its upsides. Feeling identified with the group can feel safer and even be literally safer in a physical sense – we don’t eat the berries from the bush that everyone else avoids. We rely on social cooperation. You could even say that our most basic foundational need is to belong.

But there are dangers.

Great advice from Laura Dodsworth, author of ‘State of Fear’, an excellent book talking about the use of psychological ‘nudging’ methods to drive compliance with inane covid policies like masking.

You can choose to be an outlier and practise it. Mindfully observe any uncomfortable emotions in relation to speaking up or deviating from the group. Notice the discomfort and fear. Pause and collect, or push through. Although you might initially face social disapproval, the benefit is authenticity and growth, being true to yourself and having principles. As Joost Meerloo said in The Rape of the Mind: “Whether or not we are aware of it, there is nothing of which we are more ashamed than of not being ourselves, and there is nothing that gives us greater pride and happiness than to think, to feel, and to say what is ours.”

Never be afraid to speak the truth.

The whole article is very worth reading.

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/07/19/be-the-first-to-speak-up/
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July 21, 2023 12:37pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Thanks for the post and the link, Clan – very interesting. When i was on some management course or other, a lifetime ago, I learned of a phenomenon which has a name that I can’t recall.
  
  It is quite possible, and I’ve seen it happen, where a group can arrive at what they believe is the right decision, without a single member of that group individually thinking it’s the right decision. People will not only go along with group-think, but will even make a judgement about what that group-think is likely to conclude.
  
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  July 21, 2023 1:35pm
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    Loddenthinks – it wasn’t the Asch Line Study was it?
    An interesting experiment in how people often don’t want to be ‘different’ when in a group.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYIh4MkcfJA
    
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    July 21, 2023 3:54pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Bidens and shell Companies for getting money from all over the planet.
By the time the Bidens received the moneys, it looked like it came from American Companies. Bidens first, Americans last.

https://billingsreport.com/biden-crime-family-had-over-20-shell-companies-laundering-foreign-payments-comer-claims/

Video (8min) Incl drugs in the Whitehouse sent to a Lab, and they found nothing!
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July 21, 2023 12:48pm
Tom Hunter

Well I saw Christopher Nolan’s latest movie, Oppenheimer, last night and although my fears of it being a dud were not met (yay), I’m sorry to say that it’s not as good as it could have been, mainly because Nolan’s noted fascination with time is becoming an obsession.

I reviewed it and you can make up your own minds as to whether it’s worth the price of the ticket.
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July 21, 2023 12:54pm
- virtualmark
  
  American Prometheus, the book that the film draws on, is a good read.
  
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  July 21, 2023 1:09pm
- GJM
  
  The Critical Drinker on YouTube gave it a good review and made similar comments. He takes no prisoners on poor movies.
  
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  July 22, 2023 10:10am
Maggie Pie

Have the Maori caucus been told to take ‘a break’ prior to the election?
They seem to have gone eerily quiet about everything at the moment.

I lot of people we know are saying ….. expect ‘He Puapua Mk2’ to be rolled out immediately if things all turn to shite after October 14th.
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July 21, 2023 1:46pm
Ghost

A good speech from Robert, holds true with New Zealand too

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Fires Back At Stacey Plaskett, Accusations He Is Racist
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July 21, 2023 2:01pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  RFK Jr is the first politician in a very long time who can speak with conviction, off the cuff and without the need of a “comms team” like the fraud Ardern did.
  He does all of the this with a speech defect that would prevent all but the bravest from standing up and giving speeches or getting involved in debate.
  He is genuine, sincere and totally believable. No wonder the establishment are trying to destroy him at every turn.
  
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  July 21, 2023 4:01pm
goNZ1

from todays news it looks like the silly season has arrived early –
A woman has been seriously injured after her vehicle collided with a train on Friday morning in Wairarapa.
Two people have climbed to the top of the ferry building in Auckland on Friday afternoon – with police watching from the street.
and its only 2.36pm!
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July 21, 2023 2:36pm
Ignoranus

Continents in the northern hemisphere burning up and still a few climate deniers in lil ole nzed with their heads up their rrs.
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July 21, 2023 2:42pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  And for those of us who are interested in what’s actually happening…
  
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  July 21, 2023 3:49pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  You have the most apt pen name I think I’ve ever seen on social media. You are also completely delusional with your provably nonsensical assertions regarding ‘climate change’.
  
  IT’S summer, so just as they do every year the media go into overdrive using a couple of heatwaves to push their globalist climate agenda. They’ve even started giving heatwaves silly names such as Cerberus. Every day there are more bloodcurdling headlines, and it is clear that they are all part of a well-coordinated propaganda campaign.
  
  One particularly fraudulent item on Sky News this week claimed that the Earth would soon become an inferno if we did not all do as we are told. The article also wrongly stated that extreme weather was leading to crop losses, when in fact world food production continues to rise to record levels every year or so.
  
  In fact, according to the BBC, temperatures in Europe won’t reach anywhere near record levels. Neither will they in California which is also sitting under a heat dome, where the record high of 134F was set in 1913.
  
  Here:
  https://dailysceptic.org/2023/07/19/first-it-was-covid-now-were-being-scared-into-submission-over-the-weather/
  
  And here:
  https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-climate-scaremongers-infernal-nonsense/
  
  Get a grip and stop reading the Guardian and the BBC. This is covid fearmongering bollocks on steroids.
  
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  July 21, 2023 4:37pm
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    July 21, 2023 7:26pm
mogg

Luxon’s roadshow speech, also conference speech near as:https://www.national.org.nz/speech_to_the_87th_national_party_conference_real_consequences_for_crime
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July 21, 2023 2:42pm
Ghost

It’s ok, the student will be given a hug, told to behave and all will be right again…..

A student attacked two teachers at Auckland’s Epsom Girls Grammar School yesterday, the school has revealed in an email to parents.

The letter, sent by principal Lorraine Pound this morning, said a student “physically struck” two staff members at the school yesterday.

The incident occurred during a visit to the school by a US delegation headed by the husband of Vice President Kamala Harris, Second Gentleman Douglas Emhoff.

Article
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July 21, 2023 2:43pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  It’s going to get much worse unfortunately.
  
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  July 21, 2023 4:31pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  ‘Second Gentleman’ – chortle!
  
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  July 21, 2023 8:21pm
Maggie Pie

And I can tell you something else that really rips my panties 🙁
Just heard them say there’s a Police Officer laying in hospital with serious injuries following yesterdays deadly shootout at the Viaduct.

Then you read where the Member-for-Tijuana is shouting his Mt Albert supporters to the Barbie movie next week.

The poor cop in on $60k pa…..while Ritardo is pulling 200k.

Where’s the fairness in that?
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July 21, 2023 2:50pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, some countries poly salaries.
  https://politicalsalaries.com/legislators/
  I suspect our List MPs are grossly overpaid.
  
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  July 21, 2023 4:05pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Thx for that link I&O.
    Yip…what a joke! Add to that the other allowances taxpayers also have to stump up for useless aholes like that, and you realise why this country now finds itself in the state it is.
    Can you imagine where most of them will end up when they get terfed out.
    
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    July 21, 2023 4:45pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    The electorate MPs aren’t but the list ones are by a long way.
    
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    July 21, 2023 5:35pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  I remember being told that at one point in time, police, teachers, nurses and politicians used to have relative pay parity. That is long gone, politician on almost treble the starting salary of the others. Nothing to do with the ‘Independent’ Remuneration Authority making the decisions on the behalf of the ~~politicians~~ parasites. All completely above board.
  
  I wish I had an ‘Independent’ Remuneration Authority’ paid by me, via taxpayer money to make totally honest and open decisions about how much my pay should go up every year. No conflict of interest whatsoever…….//
  
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  July 21, 2023 4:30pm
CAKE FACE1

Wow. An extremely important post and comments exposes a cabal of neo-Marxists operating in clandestine fashion in New Zealand:

http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2023/07/the-anti-conspiracy-theory-conspiracy.html

It appears that Susie Ferguson, on Red Radio, is using taxpayer funds to platform a cabal of neo-Marxist extremists.

Of course, the self-confessed neo-Marxist Kate Hannah is mentioned. However, the extreme left-wing conspiracy is much bigger than just the so-called “Disinformation Project”.

Read the comments. For example, there is a shadowy organization called “Fight Against Conspiracy Theories Aotearoa”:

1. Aimee Milne (Green Party Activist?)

https://e-tangata.co.nz/identity/threads-of-red/

2. Jacinta O’Reilly (Green Party Activist?)
3. Frank Kueppers

Others mentioned in the comments include Stephen Judd (Labour Party) and Vivian Maidaborn.

Should taxpayer funds be spent propagating far left propaganda?
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July 21, 2023 3:00pm
Chuck Bird

My email to 2 Degrees

Attn: Andrea, Senior Technical & Customer Escalation Specialist

Hi Andrea

First I thank you for your timely response. However, I am unhappy with the content of your response. I have a few questions I would hope you or someone senior to respond to.

Are you the person who implemented the policy of putting trans rights ahead of woman’s rights, children’s rights and parents’ rights? If not, I hope that person will properly answer this email.

The main issue was 2 Degrees siding with a violent activist minority instead of the women who were violently assaulted.

I mentioned Bud Light in the US. When they support a trans who to the best of my knowledge was not violent there was an effective boycott. Is 2 Degrees aware of this?
I support Family First who also is concerned about activists trans.

https://familyfirst.org.nz/2023/07/13/spark-nz-wont-tolerate-terfs/

This started with Spark and then spread to One New Zealand. Then 2 Degrees joined in. To make this simpler I will use the word you instead of 2 Degrees

This is what I wrote about. The comment about poor waiting time was secondary. If you had sorted out the waiting times I would have still made my complaint.

It appears that you are working together with other ISPs on this political issue. If you will not change its position to protect women’s right to free speech I will support a boycott of 2 Degrees and other ISPs.

When I saw the video on the violence of the activists and the inaction on the part of the Police to protect the peaceful protest I was appalled. I made an official complaint to the IPCA. I expected some others to do the same but was surprised that I was one of 162 who made an official complaint.

Are you aware of the facial injury to a woman in her70s inflected by a man in his 20s

Are you aware of one of the main protagonists, Shavneel Lal has been sending nude pictures to Kellie Jay Keen?

Do you support the right of women to safe spaces such as toilets and changing rooms?

Do you support the right of women not to have to compete against biological men in sports?

Are you aware that Kellie Jay is coming to New Zealand for the hearing of Shavneel Lal for his assault on her on 20 September?

Do you think our PM should instruct the Commissioner of Police that there should not be a repeat of Albert Park and that Kellie Jay and all people who want to hear her be protected?

If the Rainbow Tick lot were peaceful I would not be sending this email. They are not and I support law and order and free speech so I hope 2 Degrees will change its position on this matter quickly.

Kind regards
Chuck Bird
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July 21, 2023 3:04pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Chuck – I think you’ll find the person charged with assaulting Kelly Jay Keen is Eli Rubashkyn. The one who fled the country and is now crying on social media that they are receiving abuse while threatening to leave social media.
  
  It’s also Eli Rubashkyn sending the dick pics. Here’s Kelly Jay Keen talking to Plunkett about it on The Platform. Go to 1 minute 50 seconds in to hear it straight from the woman herself.
  
  https://theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/posie-parker-on-her-return-to-new-zealand
  
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  July 21, 2023 4:24pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Thanks. I mentioned that in my email but did not provide a link.
    
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    July 21, 2023 4:40pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Yes, my point is, it isn’t Shaneel Lal in court or sending the nude photos as you’ve said in your post that I responded to? Just in case you’ve got the two names muddled up.
      All these women look the same to me……//
      
      😹😹😹
      
      PS – my emoji identifies as a cat……
      
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      July 21, 2023 5:24pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        My partner says the same thing about paper bags 😛
        
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        July 21, 2023 6:56pm
- Swifty
  
  Bloody hell Chuck.
  
  You’ve made at least two howling mistakes in that note and you’ve spelled Lal’s name wrong.
  
  Don’t you check your facts before sending notes of this kind?
  
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  July 21, 2023 5:37pm
- Ghost
  
  Vast majority of the rainbow community are peaceful and do not support this whole agenda being carried out. Don’t judge people on the actions of a few activists.
  
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  July 21, 2023 5:49pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Does that defence work the other way around (like for “conservative” protests), or just for lefty cancel mobs?
    
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    July 21, 2023 10:48pm
Jack5

RNZ shoots itself in the foot – again.

Days after a mass shooting by someone on a soft home-detention centre RNZ runs an election piece headlined: ” Labour strikes back – who’s soft on crime now?”

Un-bloody-believable!
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July 21, 2023 3:55pm
- Mike
  
  shoots itself in the foot
  
  Some might think your firearms-related metaphor might make people go ballistic.
  
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  July 21, 2023 4:40pm
  - greybeard
    
    Or trigger some sort of bad reaction.
    Or bore people to tears.
    
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    July 21, 2023 4:44pm
    - Jack5
      
      🙃 Misfire, misfire …
      
      It was RNZ’s Left foot, too. Five times the size of its right foot.
      
      RNZ’s Left foot is for shooting, the right foot for going in its mouth.
      
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      July 21, 2023 5:01pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Was the journalist that notorious Irish fella, Rick O’Shea?
        
        I’ll get my coat…….
        
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        July 21, 2023 5:27pm
Sparrow

I can understand the police have to contact the next of kin before going public with those murdered yesterday. Unless I have missed it the only info so far is that the victims were in their forty’s. Does this delay possibly mean that their next of kin live overseas ?
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July 21, 2023 4:04pm
- Ghost
  
  It takes time, today the loved ones will have to formally identify their loved ones. There’s no rush, we don’t need to know their names
  
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  July 21, 2023 4:13pm
  - Sparrow
    
    Tks Ghost. That’s fair comment. In no way did I want to be disrespectful.
    
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    July 21, 2023 4:25pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Also, if the loved ones are overseas and travel back there could be a side effect from Joe Public. Media can be cruel just to make news.
    So yes Ghost, there is no rush, why broadcast just to make news gossip?
    
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    July 21, 2023 5:30pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Chinese Nationals were working on the site.
  At least one of the injured is a Chinese citizen.
  https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/chinese-citizen-injured-auckland-shooting-state-media-2023-07-21/
  
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  July 21, 2023 5:53pm
Taieri

“The incident occurred during a visit to the school by a US delegation headed by the husband of Vice President Kamala Harris, Second Gentleman Douglas Emhoff.”

Wonder who is the First Gentleman?
President Biden’s husband?
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July 21, 2023 4:23pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Nancy Pelosi’s husband’s boyfriend?
  
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  July 21, 2023 5:28pm
Chris Nisbet

Niwa’s June, July, August weather prediction for Northland, Auckland, Waikato, Bay of Plenty this year…
“Temperatures are about equally likely to be above average (45% chance) or near average (40% chance).
Rainfall totals are about equally likely to be near normal (40% chance) or below normal (35% chance). July and August may feature higher than normal air pressure, leading to spells of drier than normal weather.
Soil moisture levels are about equally likely to be near normal (40% chance) or above normal (35% chance) while river flows are most likely to be near normal (40% chance).”

How accurate do we think their prediction was?
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July 21, 2023 5:20pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Temperatures probably about right? Rainfall not remotely close. I hope they are right about August having drier weather. The ground around here is sodden.
  
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  July 21, 2023 5:30pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Yeah, Tmins aren’t that cold, but Tmaxes can’t be much above average.
    
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    July 21, 2023 7:27pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Ooo! Ooo! Pick me! 40%. Am I right, Chris? Please say I am.
  
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  July 21, 2023 8:25pm
surfing

This terms topics for my year 10 son…as just emailed by the teachers…

Science…
“work through these slides to then prepare a short video to be able to explain Matariki to a small group of primary school students.”

Social studies…
• Being aware of the wider world
• Living sustainably
• Tackling social injustice
• Respecting and valuing diversity
• Taking action towards equity (fairness and equality)
• Recognising our human rights such as the right to an education

It seems heavily Maori oriented.
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July 21, 2023 5:23pm
- Ghost
  
  Laughing, they are teaching them their right to an education then failing to give them an education.
  
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  July 21, 2023 5:33pm
- greybeard
  
  None of those bullet points bear any resemblance to “maori” life or values.
  
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  July 21, 2023 6:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Gearbox Gully. What a bloody mess, and who is paying in the end?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/contractors-dispute-over-transmission-gully-settled-out-of-court/ar-AA1e8IHU
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July 21, 2023 5:39pm
Warren

Some 480 housing applications including Families with children living in cars compared to 102 in October 2017.
Some 480 applicant’s for emergency housing, possibly including Families with children, have been living in cars, this a sharp increase in the figures since Labour first came to power promising to fix homelessness in October 2017.
Associate Social Development Minister Priyanca Radhakrishnan (MSD) data showed there were 480 applications for emergency or traditional housing who listed a “car ” as their current accommodation compared to 102 in October 2017.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132584396/some-480-housing-applicants-including-families-with-children-living-in-cars
Nearly 6 years in charge and they have more than 3 times the amount National had and still haven’t found the solution to fix it ,what abunch of hopeless , arrogant pricks Labour has .
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July 21, 2023 5:51pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  What on earth has John Campbell been doing in the last couple of years?
  
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  July 21, 2023 8:27pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/132590158/record-fines-handed-down-in-auckland-husbandandwife-market-manipulation-case
No surprise . Typical behaviour.
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July 21, 2023 6:24pm
Maggie Pie

Anyone else noticed that there seems to be an awful lot of people in New Zealand with Chinese sounding names being caught up in all sorts of nefarious activities lately.

Scams, drugs, murders, kidnappings……

Just saying.
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July 21, 2023 7:07pm
Maggie Pie

And speculation rife on Twitter that the winning single ticket holder of this weeks monster $1.8 BILLION Powerball lottery sold in LA ….may not be a US citizen.

Could be a case of…..Tuff-Tittie?
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July 21, 2023 7:24pm
Keith White

Why the actual heck are our taxes going to pay for KFC to persuade people to come down off roofs and towers? Hose them down and let them freeze until they cry uncle. Or, the Blue Gang’s ‘hostage negotiators’ can buy them KFC from their taxpayer-supplied nice-level salaries. But enough with the bribery already.
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July 21, 2023 9:28pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Fifty years ago when KFC stood for Kentucky Fried Chicken this sort of idiocy did not occur.
  Then Restaurant Brands N.Z. Ltd, a Mexican outfit, renamed it KFC.
  Then KFC became known as “Kai For Cuzzies”, and that is where the idiocy started.
  
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  July 21, 2023 9:39pm
  - Keith White
    
    I can remember when The Colonel’s chicken first arrived in NZ. ?1970? We called it “Kentucky Duck.”
    
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    July 21, 2023 10:08pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      “Kentucky F….. Duck.” Some time in early 70s I think.
      Bit of sparkling wine to go with it? “Cold Duck”
      
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