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NeverMindTheBollocks

More lese majesty from Tory Whanau. Imagine having the chutzpah to ask your staff to walk your dog (and pick up its shit).

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/300930431/why-tory-whanaus-dog-is-her-latest-headache
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July 19, 2023 8:01am
- 7kiwi11
  
  I hope staff are dog walking & dog sh!t picking up in their own time, and not on the rate payers dime.
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:44am
- youcanthandlethetruth
  
  You know, I’ve toyed with the idea of bringing my dog into the office, but I had a nagging suspicion it might be a wee bit unprofessional. I mean, just picture this: We’re in a high-stakes meeting when all of a sudden, Rover’s digestive system decides it’s showtime. I could see the headlines now, “Boss ends crucial board meeting due to pooper scooper duties. Stock plummets; dog’s tail wags happily.”
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:48am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Dog diarrhea is never fun!
    
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    July 19, 2023 8:30pm
- artemisia
  
  Tipsy Tory’s Teddy. Make sure it has a capital T.
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:50am
- Simon
  
  She merely represents NZ’s stagnation and decline.
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:06am
- Prince
  
  Ratepayer: “How on earth did that bitch get in here ?”
  Tory: “Excuse me, she’s mine.”
  Ratepayer: “I wasn’t talking to you”.
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:06am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You do know who she is, don’t you?
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:08am
- Rich Prick
  
  She’s quite the princess.
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:56am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Come to think of it, Tory probably would have lapped up influencers such as Paris Hilton on TV during her formative years
    
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    July 19, 2023 10:07am
- Bullion
  
  It’s a beat up. No one has issues with Chris Bishop bring his dog to parliament.
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/458827/meet-the-dogs-of-pawliament
  
  I think it’s cool that he does, and cool that Whanau does too.
  
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  July 19, 2023 10:08am
  - Matt Long
    
    Chris Bishop never fails to impress.
    
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    July 19, 2023 10:30am
  - peterwn
    
    The landlord would not make a fuss unless another tenant (if any) complains. Any commercial landlord would be wise to have a ‘boilerplate’ clause regarding animals in the lease just in case it is needed.
    
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    July 19, 2023 10:57am
  - Jinky
    
    But Chris Bishop isn’t breaching the tenancy agreement nor preventing others from bringing in their dogs.
    
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    July 19, 2023 11:10am
    - Bullion
      
      Whanau isn’t stopping anyone bringing their dogs to council offices.
      
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      July 19, 2023 1:49pm
  - wsk12345
    
    The problem isn’t her bringing the dog to work, it’s that the premises have been rented with a no animals clause. She just thinks she is above the law.
    
    I’d love to bring my dog to a workplace – in fact I might go back to my profession if I could. She is toilet trained and well behaved. But if the premises don’t allow it then it’s a no.
    
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    July 19, 2023 11:10am
    - peterwn
      
      It is doubtful the landlord will lose any sleep over it unless the dog caused a real issue. The Council CEO would recognise this too and not make a fuss as long as the dog is confined to the ‘civic’ areas ie mayoral suite, committee rooms and Council chamber.
      
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      July 19, 2023 11:46am
      - Squinzy
        
        So then every other councillor, executive assistant and council worker should be able to bring their dog to work also. It’s not one rule for me and one rule for thee here! All of a sudden it’s a free for all and it’s chaos. Leadership should set the example.
        
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        July 19, 2023 12:45pm
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Tory Whanau needs to learn a simple, salient truth.
  
  Integrity is doing the right thing when people aren’t watching.
  
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  July 19, 2023 11:10am
- surfing
  
  Don’t be so harsh, the dog is doing valuable work, such as managing Wellington transport.
  
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  July 19, 2023 1:58pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

‘Public consultation from January to April attracted over 1800 submissions, showing a strong level of community interest’.

No word on whether that strong level of interest was for or against the proposal – form your own conclusion.

Personally, when I hear Kororāreka I always append ‘Hellhole of the Pacific’, which is how the place was known in earlier days.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/132564140/changing-name-of-russell-back-to-kororreka-could-be-test-case-for-nz
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July 19, 2023 8:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Oops, sorry! It looks like we’ve stuffed up…”
  
  Pathetic excuse for taking id down.
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:36am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Now it;s back, something had to be changed??
    
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    July 19, 2023 8:37am
    - fernglas
      
      No, it means your internet connection dropped.
      
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      July 19, 2023 8:54am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Nope, I have very little trouble with that (fibre)
        
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        July 19, 2023 9:26am
    - greybeard
      
      Yep, all the comments have disappeared.
      
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      July 19, 2023 9:42am
      - sirknz
        
        Always indicates that the sentiment wasn’t going the way they wanted it to…
        
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        July 19, 2023 10:59am
- Dave
  
  ‘Form your own conclusion.’
  
  Despite the Board’s claim that there is a ‘groundswell for change in New Zealand’ – an unquantified claim not specific to this particular case – they rather give the game away with words such as ‘bold’, ‘courageous’ and ‘progressive’.
  
  My spoken preferences are heavily influenced by syllable count, especially stressed syllables, so, Kororāreka (5) vs Russell (2). The Geographic Board might note that lengthy names are sometimes abridged in popular, spoken English, so Karangahape Road becomes K Road. As for Tāmaki Makaurau – fuggeddaboudit.
  
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  July 19, 2023 10:13am
- Cassandra
  
  Very interesting. The Maori word for secretary is hekreteri. Rubbish is rapahi. You can work out tutaepuru.
  
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  July 19, 2023 10:24am
NeverMindTheBollocks

When I read that Wales has established a Commissioner for the Unborn, I thought it was brave of them to advocate for in utero citizens.

Imagine my disappointment when it turns out to be just another unelected role for a meddling, anti car Leftie.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/132565061/meet-the-worlds-first-commissioner-for-the-unborn
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July 19, 2023 8:03am
krazykiwi

What Is A Woman? campaign launches today.

A woman is, of course, an adult human female and our laws should reflect this.
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July 19, 2023 8:06am
- slightlyrighty
  
  The term “Woman” actually does need a legal definition.
  
  Remember that there are crimes in our Crimes Act that specifically refer to gender, but the terms “Man” and “Woman” are not defined.
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:11am
  - peterwn
    
    Any word in an Act which is not given an ‘interpretation’ is interpreted by by various means such as dictionary meaning, context, reference to Select Committee reports, Parliamentary debates etc. ‘Man’ is no longer mentioned in the Crimes Act. ‘Woman’ is mentioned in various places but is not interpreted. Some of the mentions can only apply to a woman who can bear a child so there would be no real dispute as to interpretation. Other mentions (eg regarding slavery) would nowadays most probably be interpreted (if it were in issue at a trial) to include a person who identifies as a woman.
    
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    July 19, 2023 11:16am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Signed!
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:11am
  - pdm
    
    ditto.
    
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    July 19, 2023 8:21am
    - Debsta
      
      Ditto again
      
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      July 19, 2023 8:35am
      - oldfella
        
        Ditto, too!
        
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        July 19, 2023 12:47pm
- Mike
  
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  What is an adult human female?
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:11am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    adult: an animal that has reached maturity/full growth
    
    human: a member of the Homo group of primates
    
    female: the sex that produces ova and offspring
    
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    July 19, 2023 8:37am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Now you done gone and confused him.
      
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      July 19, 2023 8:44am
    - Mike
      
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      First things first then, is ‘adult’ status biologically determined, or is it subject to a wide variety of social definitions?
      
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      July 19, 2023 8:56am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’ve given you a biological definition.
        
        You social justice types can spin away with any variant you choose….
        
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        July 19, 2023 9:11am
      - JimBobJoe
        
        Maggie has defined adult for you Mikey.
        
        If you dont know what a woman is then I suggest you return to the primers and start your learning journey all over again (and I mean primary school as delivered by serious teachers in the 1970s)
        
        Truly your trolling is pointless and tedious lately.
        
        Where has the Mikey of the occasional guess post gone?
        
        Or are you a Stephieboy tribute act???
        
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        July 19, 2023 9:12am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        You realise that by targeting the completely irrelevant, kind of subjective part, you admit that the other parts are accurate?
        Also, why do you have such an interest in what’s considered an adult?
        
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        July 19, 2023 9:16am
      - Mike
        
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        I’m sorry, JimBobJoe, that neither you nor Maggy Wassilief could answer the question. I think it is important, as the age of ‘adulthood’ is defined differently for many different purposes across all human societies, and even Maggy’s ‘biological’ definition is hopelessly imprecise.
        
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        July 19, 2023 9:22am
      - Mike
        
        And yes, Libertarians, I thought it was best to start at the beginning of the nonsense. We could discuss the other elements once we have resolved the meaning(s) of the first term.
        
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        July 19, 2023 9:25am
      - Dave
        
        An adult is someone who commits adultery. Obviously.
        
        Happy to help you, Mike.
        
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        July 19, 2023 10:19am
      - Cinematic
        
        Couldn’t answer your lame question Mike? It was answered succinctly and correctly. To not see so is to be dabbling in an alternative to reality. As you tend to do to be fair.
        
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        July 19, 2023 10:25am
      - Cassandra
        
        [Mod – debate was is said leave the personal abuse out of it]
        
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        July 19, 2023 10:26am
      - David George
        
        Adult is post puberty from a biological POV. Accepted social and legal definitions may vary (a defined age of legal majority, sexual consent etc) but fair to say a girl becomes a woman, a boy becomes a man after puberty. A man can’t become a woman even if they try really really hard.
        
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        July 19, 2023 10:35am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Mike – adult is defined independently in multiple laws. For criminality, for consent, legality to drive etc. Whether someone is a woman or a girl is dependent on the legislative definition but is easy to work out.
        
        You are transparent so I’ll complete the argument for you:
        
        “since adult is subjective then surely female can be subjective too?”
        
        Obvious and completely dishonest question there Mikey. Adult has relevant situational definitions, this is true but female is a simple biological fact (for the sex definition, not gender).
        
        For sex relevant scenarios (women’s sports, safe spaces, biological services etc), your gender definition is irrelevant. To say that self identification is a reasonable definition of female in those scenarios (like the above situational definitions of adult) is to pretend that the male/female separation in these situations is entirely arbitrary (might as well do Maori/Pakeha instead or left handed/right handed etc) and not based on actual biological differences. This is utterly dishonest and ignores both biological fact and people’s lived experiences.
        
        Now, please advise why you think biological women’s lived experiences and biological fact should be ignored and we should instead use utterly subjective self identification? Then can you please advise why, given that the woman determination is under your belief, totally subjective, we should have any male/female separation at all in any area – since according to you, there is no justification for the separation?
        
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        July 19, 2023 10:58am
      - leoj
        
        Maybe look up the definition of obtuse before posting might help.
        
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        July 19, 2023 11:16am
    - Ghost
      
      So humans are all homo’s…….
      
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      July 19, 2023 9:23am
      - Mike
        
        Some are less sapient than others.
        
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        July 19, 2023 9:25am
      - Yabster
        
        [Mod – drop the personal abuse]
        
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        July 19, 2023 10:15am
  - pdm
    
    Without one you would not be on here and we would all be the better for that.
    
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    July 19, 2023 8:54am
- Swifty
  
  kk – for this definition, has ‘female’ been defined?
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Signed, but I am not a Biologist!
  
  I have a fair idea what a Woman is – I have two children.
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:16am
  - Biscuit
    
    Sniff at your pulling rank, Steve.
    
    I have ony one child and so, clearly, am only half the biologist you are!
    
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    July 19, 2023 8:38am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It took a lot of hard work……
      
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      July 19, 2023 8:45am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Practice, Steve, practice.
        
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        July 19, 2023 9:15am
    - pdm
      
      Biscuit there is still time -how old was Charlie Chaplin when he sired his last one.
      
      BTW I have four.
      
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      July 19, 2023 8:55am
  - Rich Prick
    
    I’m not a mechanic, but I know what a car is.
    
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    July 19, 2023 9:59am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Top pick, “Kamala, you have not been to the Border yet”
      “Well I have not been to Europe either”
      This is VPOTUS!!
      
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      July 19, 2023 4:34pm
- peterwn
  
  That statement is disinformation and in a few years time stating it will lead to serious sanctions.
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:18am
- Grunter
  
  Downticker – I look forward to your definition.
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:19am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Poofs don’t have clue.
    
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    July 19, 2023 8:35am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Robbo !
      
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      July 19, 2023 8:38am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The fact we even think the subject warrants a debate shows how far down the toilet the woke ideologues have dragged all of us.
    Laugh at these idiots. Ridicule them at every opportunity. It is all the deserve. They have not earned respect. Don’t give it to them. Like the troll here. Deprive it of oxygen.
    
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    July 19, 2023 9:20am
- mandk
  
  Don’t forget to sign the petition.
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:33am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Need to ask Shaneel Lal.
  It was just on the play school TV1 Breakfast.
  Yeah I know, but the speaker of the house insists! Keep the queen bee happy and the whole hive is happy.
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:50am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Have you considered requeening?
    
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    July 19, 2023 9:14am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Did about 40 years ago. Got divorced and got a new queen.
      Strange that me ex is friends with me.
      
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      July 19, 2023 9:24am
- WaynelSexton
  
  Now do what is a New Zealander?
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:53am
- DeepBlue
  
  Noted last night, the NZ women’s football development lead used the word ‘female’, when talking about her children/youth programmes. Strange how a single word now stands out.
  
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  July 19, 2023 10:03am
  - wsk12345
    
    But on an RNZ interview the person from the cervical screening programme called us “people that have a cervix”. So fucking offensive.
    
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    July 19, 2023 11:24am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I have dissection and fusion in my cervical spine (neck)
      
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      July 19, 2023 4:37pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      So insane one is not sure whether to laugh or cry.
      
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      July 19, 2023 9:27pm
- waikatosinger
  
  Why is this even an issue in our politics.
  
  The internet has merged the political discussion especially within English speaking countries and has meant that the US UK NZ Australia and Canada now share political discourse. And as NZ is not big that means our political discourse these days is largely driven by what is happening in the US. I am not too happy about that because I think the US has a dysfunctional political system especially at federal level.
  
  NZ is a farming based economy. Most of us have no problem distinguishing between a cow and a bull. Why is this an issue here? We should just be saying “Those Crazy Americans” and ignoring the whole thing. Do we really need to import their political bullshit?
  
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  July 19, 2023 10:09am
  - Ghost
    
    It’s an agenda created to divide, brought to you and financed from the same people behind blm and atifa.
    
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    July 19, 2023 10:16am
- krazykiwi
  
  I see the Herald, Stuff, Press and ODT have all pulled the previously approved advertising for this campaign.
  
  Simultaneously.
  
  On the day it was to launch.
  
  Is that a odious stench of coordinated censorship I smell?
  
  Why, yes.
  
  Yes I think it is.
  
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  July 19, 2023 10:25am
  - Philview
    
    The ODT was happy to give the ex Green Party Dunedin Mayor a platform the other day so he could shout out his extremist viewpoint that Otago University is a white supremacist organisation.
    
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    July 19, 2023 10:54am
  - wsk12345
    
    Well let’s spread it far and wide on the socials!
    
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    July 19, 2023 11:26am
- Jinky
  
  signed
  
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  July 19, 2023 11:10am
slightlyrighty

Remember when we were all laughing at Labour’s policy announcements because all they were doing was re-announcing a policy that they had already announced?

Well, they’ve gone next level.

With the announcing of policies regarding posting video of crimes to social media, and building youth justice facilities, Labour are now announcing policies that National and ACT have already announced!
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July 19, 2023 8:08am
- Rocky Jnr
  
  Labour. (sp)IN (sh)IT FOR YOU!
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:28am
  - Debsta
    
    Very good RJ
    
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    July 19, 2023 8:37am
  - DeepBlue
    
    In it for your $.
    
    Saw my first Labour billboard yesterday. I wanted to make this tiny adjustment.
    
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    July 19, 2023 10:04am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Not just that, they had two forms of the policy snd announced the wrong one
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:39am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  This is what Chris Luxon was worried about.
  Release Policy early and Labour will steal it. Quite expected, they have no Policies of their own.
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:54am
  - hullkiwi
    
    …and that for the Act supporters trying to rubbish National is why opposition parties do not release their policies and manifestos too much in advance of an Election campaign.
    
    Added to which Labour have been clueless in policy formation for the past 15 years, so it would have been foolish of Luxon & National to release policy early. Another example was the Early Education Policy. Luxon announced National’s policy in March at the Northern National Policy Forum, 6 weeks later Labour had a version in the budget, and has subsequently spent the last 6 weeks trying to fix it’s botched attempt at policy theft!
    
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    July 19, 2023 9:03am
  - Biscuit
    
    Indeed, Steve…
    
    When the idiot Peters annointed Jacinda as Prime Minister, the Labour Party – definitely not expecting to get into power – had just one policy ‘shovel ready’.
    
    The getting rid of Charter Schools … which, of course, we all know that Chippie’s Mummy had pre-drafted for him ready to take to school oops Cabinet.
    
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    July 19, 2023 10:03am
  - rouppe
    
    That’s fine. Just make sure everyone knows it’s your policy, and ask why would you vote for them if they’re using your policy?
    
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    July 19, 2023 10:15am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    And all these impatient ACT supporters wanted him releasing policy way back middle of last year
    
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    July 19, 2023 10:38am
  - leoj
    
    ACT’s and National’s so called solutions are meek. Not worth copying. All of them are pussy-footing around this issue.
    
    Build more prisons, pass crimes legislation and penalties that judges cannot manipulate and keep the teenage cretins in jail for longer.
    
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    July 19, 2023 11:21am
- Libertarians are right
  
  This is why National have been so quiet on policy announcements – because they know Labour will steal it AND why Labour and the media are so keen to harass National into releasing more policy – so Labour can steal it/spend the money so it can’t be afforded and then accuse National of flip flopping.
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:18am
- Piniwi
  
  But so far only one ewes has the scoop on the BIG election bribe we have been waiting to see and most guesses were right. Big increases for pensions, beneficiaries and students allowances. Just been announced by little Chippie. All starting on April 1st and many fools will fall for it.
  
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  July 19, 2023 11:53am
- jon
  
  Sounds a bit like in Germany where both the CDU and Social Democrat parties are adopting some of the ADf policies on immigration and law and order. The ADf party has seen a dramatic surge in support in the polls in the last six months, in the main because of their no nonsense policies.
  
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  July 19, 2023 4:15pm
Yvette

■ Labour’s David Parker has admitted he was “disappointed” in the Prime Minister’s decision to kill off a proposed tax switch, saying it was something he personally supported.

■ The Prime Minister [Ardern] has shocked New Zealand by ruling out a capital gains tax not just before the next election, but while she is Prime Minister.
“Under my leadership, we will no longer campaign for, or implement a capital gains tax – not because I don’t believe in it, but because I don’t believe New Zealand does.”
Ardern said the Government simply didn’t have the mandate to implement such a tax, as so many Kiwis were against one.
“I have always been clear that we would not be able to proceed unless we were able to form a consensus – that has not happened under this Government.”
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/pm-jacinda-ardern-has-ruled-out-implementing-a-capital-gains-tax-while-she-is-at-the-helm-of-labour/IQ4FD7CLYKKLU6YAH2H2S4MDSE/

So Ardern and Hipkins both appear to have made a Captain’s call on wealth taxes – with Ardern explaining that ’New Zealand didn’t support such a tax, it was actually our own silly fault – while in the last couple of days both David Parker and Grant Robertson have each empathised they are team-players, presumably to indicate Hipkins is not.

So, as it is such a vital Greens policy, which Labour has knocked on the head, will the Greens be willing coalition team-players now?
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July 19, 2023 8:12am
- Ehlana
  
  They didn’t have a mandate for co-governance, or three waters or anything else from their secret agenda. But that didn’t stop them.
  
  Really, the only thing that has ever stopped them is their own incompetence.
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:39am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Greens s as bd TPM have said no tax than they will sit on the cross benches, NZF have said they will sit on the cross benches, no way labour can govern with no partner in the high 30s as they will on election night
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:55am
- I remember when
  
  “I have always been clear that we would not be able to proceed unless we were able to form a consensus – that has not happened under this Government.”
  
  Says it all.
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:57am
  - Flossie
    
    If it were to come to pass that Labour can form a government after the election and Hipkins becomes PM, it won’t be long after that he is rolled and the new PM happily embraces any and all of their coalition partners’ wishes.
    
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    July 19, 2023 9:12am
Yvette

Mana o te Wai statements are already in law.
Are Mana o te Whenua statements next?

Prime Minister Chris Hipkins says he has no intention of reopening Treaty settlements following the Green Party’s plan to “return stolen land to tangata whenua”.
Earlier on Monday, Greens co-leader Marama Davidson said if they are part of the next Government, they would launch a probe into the extent of dispossession due to Treaty breaches and enable recommendations around private land.

Will Hipkins more formally rule this out the Greens demands, or alternatively will the Greens make it a bottom-line policy for coalition?
And is there a so-called journalist with the guts to ask one or the other, or both?
Or shouldn’t National demand an answer?
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July 19, 2023 8:13am
- Gravelroad
  
  Hipkins is opportunistic and untrustworthy.
  He will say whatever is necessary now to win an election.
  But will have no trouble going back on it if elected.
  That is the Labour/Green way.
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:46am
  - Martonman
    
    Remember Robbo I was maybe too definitive.
    
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    July 19, 2023 8:52am
Yvette

As Tony Suart said yesterday –
There’s a General Election in 88 days time
– so of course it would now be 87 days

So where is any National comment still on 3 Waters?
It is now buried in silence as Labour wished?
And the killer clausem on Te Mana o te Wai statements, has of course passed into law.
And that clause as Thomas Cranmer has pointed out –

when you look at section 140 of the Bill you see that there are no parameters, limits or indeed any guidance at all as to what may be included in a Te Mana o te Wai statement. The Bill simply states that “mana whenua whose rohe or takiwā includes a freshwater body in the service area of a water services entity may provide the entity with a Te Mana o te Wai statement for water services”

– [to which] 141 Water services entity must respond
https://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2022/0136/latest/LMS540625.html

– and while I have never seen an example quoted of what a Te Mana o te Wai statement may actually contain, here is a possibility from the source –
6.1 Hierarchy Of Obligations, Te Mana O Te Wai Guidelines For Mana Whenua
https://ourlandandwater.nz/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Te-Mana-o-te-Wai-Guidelines-for-Mana-Whenua.pdf

For hapū and iwi, ensuring that the hierarchy is applied will be a core activity to consider. Some of our iwi technicians highlighted their view that when making decisions for water, particularly around limit setting, users of water for commercial purposes should not be enabled to participate. Only those with the health of the water as their priority should be involved in the hierarchy at the top. This ensures that the health is first as is required in the policy.

So “Users of water for commercial purposes should not be enabled to participate” in the process of water allocation?
If this is not a valid example, anyone else should feel free to give one.
What else may a Te Mana o te Wai statement encompass?

And with the Greens latest proclamation on re-claiming “stolen land”, how long will it be before we see Te Mana o te Whenua statements?

Doesn’t National really need to get it’s ass into gear?
In fact, where the Hell is even Winston?
Te Mana o te Wai statements were never fully explained to the public, nor that in fact these statements are total governance, not just co-governance
So, 87 days to go
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July 19, 2023 8:15am
- Tony Stuart
  
  National released its alternative to Three Waters some months ago. It’s called Local Water Done Well, and guarantees that local communities will retain control of local assets. It also expressly rules out any co-governance arrangements. You can read the full policy papers here: https://assets.nationbuilder.com/nationalparty/pages/17864/attachments/original/1684306432/Local_Water_Done_Well_policy_document.pdf?1684306432
  
  You can be sure that this will come up during the campaign. In Whanganui, we are in the process of organising a public meeting with National’s Local Government spokesman Simon Watts for mid-August. So National’s ass is well and truly in gear Yvette; I’m surprised that someone as well-informed as you had missed this.
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:28am
  - Hacked-Off
    
    Thanks Tony,
    
    Saved me a job.
    
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    July 19, 2023 8:36am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      You’re welcome; I live to serve 😇
      
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      July 19, 2023 8:57am
      - Bill Felt
        
        “I live to serve”
        Tony, this has been bugging me. I appreciate your use of the term, even though given in humour. But this phrase is important. As I am sure you used to “live to serve” when you were in Wgtn and probably still do now behind the scenes. Many of our fathers and grandfathers went overseas on military campaigns “lived to serve” and for some it was at great cost.
        
        What is the problem with the current crowd running things in Wgtn is that they do not “live to serve”. It is almost as if we should be serving them. Take the Wgtn Mayor getting her staff to walk her dog for example. For many of us that is abhorrent. But for her, it is a matter of what the people should do to help the mighty ruler.
        
        There are many other examples within the current Labour Govt (and the Greens and Winston First)
        1. Woods not selling his shares
        2. Ardern taking the Airforce plane at all times when better commercial options were available.
        3. Arderns motorcade in her final days was enormous.
        4. ….
        
        What we need is a change of Govt and a change of attitude so Wgtn takes the same approach to you – “live to serve”
        
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        July 19, 2023 10:09am
      - Ghost
        
        Pm take the air force plane and helicopters that are there for their use, this is nothing new to ardern.
        
        The morocade is nothing new either. I still remember watching Clark’s motorcade go speeding by us to get her to the rugby. Also the level of threats against Ardern would have meant more secruity
        
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        July 19, 2023 10:23am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        @ Bill Felt – I’ve never lived in Wellington!
        
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        July 19, 2023 10:47am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    It’s seems the ACT foot soldiers are blind to Nats policies, snd blind to Seymour’s Te Reo
    
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    July 19, 2023 9:00am
  - Yvette
    
    Thank you Tony for the information.
    I will read the policy papers that you link to, but with eyesight cataract problems I will have to do that a Little later.
    Meanwhile I would still argue that National’s Anser to 3 waters it Is not well publicised, and while most voters Will be aware of propose co governance arrangements, many will not appreciate that Full governance exists with the establishment of the Marie advisory Council which provides over Taumata Arowai, the water regulatorm which in turn prosides over the three waters entities.
    So I would respectfully suggest that the general public is unaware of this. or that National should unravel i.
    Thank you again for the link
    
    Sorry, mistakes are due to this computer’s dictation software not understanding my accent
    
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    July 19, 2023 9:19am
    - Ghost
      
      Nationals alternative to 3 waters has been well talked about in the media
      
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      July 19, 2023 9:26am
      - Cantabrian
        
        I agree with Yvette. The general masses do not know what National’s policy is – but neither do they understand what Labour is going to impose if this continues. I regret to suggest that the average voter either doesn’t know or doesn’t care. This may be due to a) the media’s clear bias and/or b) the continual harping that ‘we must do something with our water services so we don’t get sick and 3Waters is a sensible solution becasue councils cannot afford the massive expenditure needed’. Nowhere in this argument is the price of allowing Iwi to impose conditions on water either acknowledged or publicised.
        If the Coalition of Chaos is returned, it won’t only be water that is alienated from the wider population.
        
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        July 19, 2023 11:07am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Publicised? It will be canned
      
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      July 19, 2023 10:41am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Luxon has been crystal-clear in saying that National will repeal Three Waters or what name it has, and replace it with their own legislation. It’s on the First 100Days agenda, along with the Maori Health Authority, Te Pukenga, and a number of other Labour policies.
      
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      July 19, 2023 10:51am
      - leoj
        
        …..and replace it with?
        
        Just slightly less maori influence?
        
        Luxon is on board with maori having a major hand and for that reason trust in him and National remains questionable.
        
        Forget replacing it. Simply repeal it. Job done.
        
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        July 19, 2023 11:29am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        You have to replace Three Waters with something, because clearly the status quo has not been working; you only have to look at Wellington to see that!. This is National’s proposal in brief form (emphasis mine)
        
        Our plan
        One – National will, in its first 100 days, repeal Labour’s Three Waters legislation and scrap the four mega-entities, with prescribed co-governance, that goes with them.
        
        Two – We will restore council ownership and control, but with stronger central government oversight because we’re not simply going back to the old way of doing things that hasn’t worked.
        
        Three – We will set strict rules for water quality, and for investment in infrastructure, so Kiwis don’t have to worry about sewage on their streets, un-swimmable beaches, or having to boil their drinking water.
        
        Four – We will ensure water services are financially sustainable so that future generations don’t inherit outdated or failing infrastructure. Financial sustainability means there’s enough money coming in, either from rates or from user-pays, to cover the maintenance and depreciation of infrastructure and investment in new assets. We’ll require councils to ringfence money for water infrastructure, instead of spending it on other services. New infrastructure is expensive but has a long life so it’s appropriate that it’s funded by debt, and paid back over time out of rates or user revenues.
        
        Our plan will restore New Zealanders’ confidence that water infrastructure is being funded on a continuous basis, with investment being made when and where it’s needed. We’ll ensure communities get what they pay for. Local Water Done Well is a pathway to environmental and financial sustainability of quality water services across New Zealand.
        
        https://www.national.org.nz/local_water_done_well
        
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        July 19, 2023 1:32pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The new words amount to 10 entities not 3 , and Nats have stated plenty of times they will can 3 waters, when the new plan came out they clearly stated they would not support it
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:58am
  - Cantabrian
    
    The ‘3’ does not relate to the number of entities – it is the number of water services involved (fresh, waste, storm). Under the original proposal there were going to be 4 entities. That has now been expanded to 10.
    
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    July 19, 2023 11:09am
    - wsk12345
      
      Which expanded to include coastal and geothermal waters IIRC. And perhaps some more.
      
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      July 19, 2023 11:30am
- I remember when
  
  Did the Guidelines writer understand what was needed when they used Poipoia.
  English-Maori dictionary help:
  “She is an expert at turning on the waterworks to manipulate others.”
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:13am
- Burtland
  
  how do you separate iwi members with commercial interests in water from iwi members who make the decisions when the 10 organizations are based on iwi?
  – the clear intent is obfuscation of institutional corruption
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:57am
I remember when

Chris Hipkins takes responsibility for crime.
Kelvin Davis says he is responsible for youth facilities and prisons.
So every is under control then.
Or should it be, then………
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July 19, 2023 8:15am
- I remember when
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:49am
kowtow

Te Potty Media pearl clutching and knicker twisted over a shop changing its name and a foreign owned one at that .

But when it comes to holding power to account for a country name change and all manner of govt and govt funded bodies , not so much.
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July 19, 2023 8:15am
Maggie Pie

“Prime Minister Chris Hipkins unwavering
in his support of US-NATO war in Ukraine”

Does this sound good for New Zealand?

Chynah’s Ambassador to NZ, Wang Xiaolong, warned Wellington ‘not to open the door to the devil’ by aligning with a NATO bloc in the Asia-Pacific.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/07/17/xeyc-j17.html

Had to larf to see Chippie described as…..
“a WEF stooge in the mold of Jacinda” LOL!!
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July 19, 2023 8:16am
- Mike
  
  Does it feel good to be quoting favorably from the commies, Maggie Pie?
  
  The WSWS is the online publication of the world Trotskyist movement, the International Committee of the Fourth International, and its affiliated sections in the Socialist Equality Parties around the world.
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:02am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Well it’s part of the ‘single source of truth’ that comrade Ardern was a big part of so it must be true.
    
    More to the point, ad hominem attacks are infantile and reveal a dearth of intelligence. Address what was said, not who said it. No matter the source.
    
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    July 19, 2023 9:29am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He tried to say the other day you might have noticed I am a highly successful diplomat the other day, all for sausage bloody rolls.
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:05am
- Grunter
  
  What has come out of this NATO meeting is the West is escalating the war with Russia. They are expanding the “sharing” of nuclear weapons at the request of Poland, which has always been rejected previously. This means that any nation with F35 and F16 will have available to them nuclear weapons. This is why Russia has warned that handing Ukraine F16s will mean that they must now assume they could be carrying nuclear weapons, and rightly so for Ukraine is driven by its hatred and is by no means a responsible nation-state. NATO knows that.
  So for Hipkins to provide unwaving support for NATO on behalf of all Kiwis is disgusting and gob-smackingly stupid!
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:09am
  - virtualmark
    
    Any F-16s that Ukraine receives will be old F-16A/B from European nations. They are not nuclear capable.
    
    Newer F-16 models (like the Block 50 and higher) in USAF service are nuclear capable, but the USAF doesn’t have spare ones to donate and no one is suggesting Ukraine will receive those.
    
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    July 19, 2023 9:55am
    - rangitoto
      
      Any aircraft is nuclear capable. There are even backpack nukes that you could drop from a micro light.
      
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      July 19, 2023 2:05pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Nah, not really.
        
        US nuclear bombs have sophisticated arming codes. The plane needs the right electronics in order to be able to send the right arming and targeting info to the bomb.
        
        The F-16s that are being proposed for Ukraine don’t have those electronics. And your microlight really doesn’t have them.
        
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        July 19, 2023 3:39pm
      - rangitoto
        
        You are talking about specific nuclear weapons. It is irrelevant in any case since Ukraine doesn’t have any nor will they be given any.
        
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        July 19, 2023 6:00pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Note too that the only NATO airforces that can use US nukes are the USAF (naturally) and the Luftwaffe.
      
      There’s understood to be about 20 US nukes stored on a Luftwaffe airbase, but under US guard and control, that can be loaded on a small number of Luftwaffe aircraft that have been equipped to handle nukes. But those are Typhoons, not F-16s.
      
      This US-German arrangement dates back to the height of the Cold War, and is unique … no other country has access to US nuclear bombs. Although the Brits share Trident missiles + their nuke warheads with the US.
      
      Any suggestion the Ukrainians will one day get access to US nukes is brain-dead scaremongering.
      
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      July 19, 2023 3:44pm
Tony Stuart

This child would be the perfect candidate for the Social Investment policies rolled out by Bill English in 2016, which will be reincarnated by an incoming National government:

The 4-year-old daughter of a Mongrel Mob associate has picked up the “terrifying” habit of barking like a dog.

On Tuesday, Tony Mills appeared in the Hamilton District Court for sentencing on 13 dishonesty charges, but it was the impact his gang ties were having on his daughter that shocked Judge Kim Saunders.

“I can’t even begin to imagine how distraught I would be if my 4-year-old daughter started barking like a dog,” the judge said. “That comes only from the Mongrel Mob.

“The Mongrel Mob have not one pro-social bone in their collective bodies, you know that. Your daughter at 4 years is already picking up habits that should terrify you.”

Judge Saunders said there was no guarantee the child would not grow to see the Mongrel Mob as an exciting prospect if she remembers her life as a child.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/judge-slams-gang-associate-whose-4-year-old-barks-like-mongrel-mob-dog/PZC2GODMNFGVJM57GZ2W7PUCWE/

Social Investment was premised on using already-held data to identify children who were at risk of going off the rails. Through intensive intervention, the goal is to change the child’s behaviours before it is too late. It goes against the current government’s approach of throwing money at problems, and in that regard is novel and innovative. I have seen Sir Bill English speak many times, but never with as much excitement in his eyes as when he talked to a Whanganui business audience about social investment.

My biggest disappointment about the 2017 election result was that English’s plans to roll out social investment across the country were scrapped. But I am excited that social investment is back on the agenda when the government changes in October.
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- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Poor kid. Can’t Ministry for Children (Oranga something) do something here?
  Are they scared of the barking mob?
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:30am
  - Ehlana
    
    Are they allowed to take her away from her family?
    
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    July 19, 2023 8:43am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It happened in my family. Son has mental health issues sometimes.
      When my first Grandchild was born, the authorities took him away.
      A guard outside Mother’s room. Very embarrassing for her. Women make good lifetime friends in maternity units.
      Anyway, family conference with about 20 there spouting bullshit. I stood up and did my balls, really! After about an hour of pathetic excuses and me yelling, we started to agree on things. It was all sorted and the baby grandson was returned. No apology, no nothing. That Grandson is now 23 and lives in my house. It is great.
      People who cross my path really shouldn’t.
      
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      July 19, 2023 9:08am
  - Gravelroad
    
    “Do something”?
    You’re kidding, right?
    They can’t do something about anything.
    
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    July 19, 2023 8:51am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Bill English established the Social Investment Agency to drive the work on social investment.
  
  The current government renamed it the “Social Wellbeing Agency”. I have not read any of their work so cannot comment on its usefulness. The Chief Executivhe previously the Chief Executive of the Ministry for Women.
  
  https://swa.govt.nz/
  
  Even if they do produce decent analysis the government clearly pays it no attention.
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:41am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    However Bill English, after leaving Parliament, founded an NGO called ImpactLab. He is the Board chairman. ImpactLab works with businesses and philanthropists to help them target their social assistance in a much more focused and effective way. Sir Bill is still very much in the loop in doing things differently.
    
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    July 19, 2023 9:09am
- Scooter
  
  I think there’s been a few cases of children being abandoned and living wild with dogs and how they lose the ability to speak etc and take on the behaviour of animals. Seems it is happening too in NZ, 4 year old raised by dogs (human ones are far worse).
  
  https://historydaily.org/oxana-malaya-story-girl-raised-dogs
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:50am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  ‘Social investment’ is like trying to teach a dog to whistle by hiring an expensive voice coach. English was dead wrong about this and it could never have worked. The government is not a substitute for effective parenting.
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:56am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, but at least they can say they tried, if it doesn’t work, they can point to their attempt to break the cycle
    
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    July 19, 2023 9:10am
  - KH
    
    Social Investment is an awesome proposal, in that social spending was to be fenced into using only proven methods with a long term view.
    Versus the oddball, random, expensive crap we do now.
    As such it was bound to upset the self protective social services industry. They have destroyed it.
    
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    July 19, 2023 9:12am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Incomprehensible analogy followed by a facile truism. Social investment was never intended to substitute government for good parenting. It was aimed at earlier and more effective prevention of bad parenting
    
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    July 19, 2023 9:14am
  - Local Miller
    
    While the Government is not a substitute for effective parenting, when parenting is falling so short that a 4 year old barks like a dog, someone has to step in and be an effective parent because obviously the current parents aren’t cutting it.
    The idea behind the social Investment policy was not however for the Government to be the parent, but for the government to use it’s resources to identify at risk children like this and initiate targeted action by qualified and properly resourced organizations.
    What’s your recommendation, try fix these parents? Or do you think they are being effective?
    
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    July 19, 2023 9:26am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They will be helped into eork, if not, dead bears for life
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:06am
- Mike
  
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  Tony, you have repeatedly referred to Bill English’s ‘social investment’ policies without ever mentioning that nothing specific was ever proposed, let alone implemented, either for the national party’s 2017 election campaign or at any other time in his 27 years as an MP.
  It’s just a slogan.
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:06am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    You really say some odd things 😅
    
    http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/6521m-social-investment-vulnerable-nzers
    
    27 MAY 2016
    $652.1m Social Investment for vulnerable NZers
    
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    July 19, 2023 9:29am
    - Mike
      
      It’s just a slogan, Benedict, like ‘early intervention’ or ‘addressing the causes of offending’. All social spending can be defined as an ‘investment’. It’s the basis of welfare capitalism. It’s simply dishonest to pretend that Bill English was on the cusp of a new way to improve people’s lives.
      
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      July 19, 2023 9:51am
      - wsk12345
        
        Oh so announcing spending isn’t the end of the work to solve the problem?
        
        Who knew!
        
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        July 19, 2023 11:32am
      - leoj
        
        Symbolism over substance is the left’s domain. You would know it well.
        
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        July 19, 2023 11:33am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “All social spending can be defined as an ‘investment’.”
        
        No. It cannot. That is the problem.
        
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        July 19, 2023 11:35am
      - zulumonster
        
        That investment of $1b into Mental Health was a great investment wasn’t it? May as well have flushed it down the dunny …
        
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        July 19, 2023 1:22pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        $1.9b actually, but who’s counting?
        
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        July 19, 2023 1:23pm
- I remember when
  
  Does the Judge really think that the girl’s barking is isolated to her?
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:23am
- Handyman
  
  You just know someone somewhere is thinking what this kid needs is “species affirming care”. We are at the last stop before weirdville.
  
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  July 19, 2023 10:25am
- Jinky
  
  I’ve had the good (and bad) luck to spend time with quite a number of politicians over the past few decades. Bill English was by far the most humble, but also had the clearest vision for how to improve life for the most vulnerable in our society i.e. the children of these at risk families. Shame on Labour for scrapping the policy of social investment back in 2017.
  
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  July 19, 2023 11:21am
Blog-aholic

Is it me or can Sharon Murdoch just not help herself? Latest cartoon in Stuff is just shill garbage IMO.
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July 19, 2023 8:25am
- Prince
  
  Stuff’s version of opinion diversity.
  Their cartoonists range from;
  Hate National
  Despise National
  Loathe National
  Abhor National.
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:15am
- sirknz
  
  Sharon Murdoch and garbage are about par for the course. I don’t think I’ve ever seen one of her ‘cartoons’ and thought “That was really clever and insightful”.
  
  She suffers from the classic lefty problem of too many words to explain a concept, if there is an opportunity to use two words, they will always opt for twelve. The more academic ones will always quote a random obscure French guy from the mid 1800s who had a thing for young children to back up their argument.
  
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  July 19, 2023 12:18pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Guess who got a positive Covid test?
All of this time I have avoided it, or maybe had Covid and did not know.
It is same as Flu. Aching all over, sore throat, lots of mucus, headache; yeah, I don’t get headaches!
Like a rotten gumboot with a hole in it. Fuck!
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July 19, 2023 8:26am
- Blog-aholic
  
  According to the WHO in 2019/20 there were 38million recorded cases of the flu globally.
  
  In 2020/21 they recorded 0.0015 million cases……where did the flu go?
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:43am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It probably is a version of the flu, but the RAT test was a clear positive.
    Ardern! “Safe and effective” my left tit. I had two vaxes to comply with your silly rules. Purely so I could get a useless passport!
    
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    July 19, 2023 9:12am
    - wsk12345
      
      Odd how you got symptoms while my unvaccinated 80 year old parents only found out they had it by accident. Such a dangerous virus. Thank God for Fizzer.
      
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      July 19, 2023 9:25am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Asymptomatic. I always thought I may have had Covid an not even know. (just plain healthy.) Rough time during last night, but here I am feeling great, but still positive.
        Went upstairs in the Mall and bought a Lotto ticket, then sat in the car reading Kiwiblog! The other females turned up about 30 min later.
        Back to bed and now here I am at my desktop computer drinking piss!
        
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        July 19, 2023 4:52pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      RAT tests are very unreliable. But why would you bother testing anyway?
      
      Get well soon. Seasonal respiratory illnesses are not peasant. Especially for men…..🙄😹😹😹
      
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      July 19, 2023 9:35am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        You mean ‘manflu?’ Women just don’t understand how bad Manflu is.
        
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        July 19, 2023 4:57pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      As I have said many times… What would have been the reaction in the early 70s if the measles vaccine had exhibited the same effectiveness of the COVID vaccines?
      
      If 95 percent of parents in New Zealand got their children the MMR vaccine, there would literally be no measles cases in the country.
      
      Back in 2020 Pfizer told the public that their vaccine was 95 percent effective.
      
      https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine
      
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      July 19, 2023 9:37am
      - miltonF
        
        They need to be sued for false advertising at the VERY least.
        
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        July 19, 2023 12:35pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Had all that on the late 50s and early 70s. Vaccines were available I think but when you live is the sticks out the back of Te Kowhai you just can’t go running to the Medical Center. I never had vaccines for both measles, or mumps. I have of course had Polio, Tetanus, Hepatitis, etc.
        Natural antibodies are better than ‘new’ vaccines like Covid. Just a socialist experiment on how far they could push us.
        
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        July 19, 2023 5:06pm
      - Ghost
        
        Hmm, well even cnn had an article about the dangerous of rushing this vaccine and previous incidents
        
        https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/01/health/eua-coronavirus-vaccine-history/index.html
        
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        July 19, 2023 5:22pm
    - greybeard
      
      Can these RAT tests respond positively to anything else apart from CV-19 ?
      
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      July 19, 2023 10:13am
      - Ghost
        
        Sure, Steve is pregnant….
        
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        July 19, 2023 10:14am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Well Ghost, I did say it was hard work!
        
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        July 19, 2023 11:02am
      - greybeard
        
        No, I am serious.
        What are the ramifications if RAT tests were found to show a positive “CV-19” result for some other virus or bug?
        Has anyone actually ruled out this possibility?
        If it did happen , imagine the consequences….
        
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        July 19, 2023 11:32am
    - miltonF
      
      Sounds like you got hit a lot harder than me and I’m unvaccinated. Contracted it from a triple vaxed family member.
      
      From my experience with friends and family, the “vaccine” doesn’t seem to have any effect. That shouldn’t really surprise anyone. The clinical trials never showed any benefit. How crook you get seems to depend on other factors. Age, weight, underlying health conditions etc.
      
      Get well soon!
      
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      July 19, 2023 12:33pm
- sirknz
  
  If you didn’t test, you wouldn’t have Covid…
  
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  July 19, 2023 12:19pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The speaker of the house insisted.
    See my other comments about the queen bee!
    
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    July 19, 2023 5:08pm
Maggie Pie

Have you noticed how things have really turned to shit since ‘NZTA’ rebranded?
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July 19, 2023 8:28am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Not just NZTA either…..almost all and everything with the ethnomanic changes have turned to shit.
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:45am
- Nickc2
  
  That could be extended to all Govt Entities that have been rebranded in new age Maori Speak.
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:05am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  But but but, Parker said it’s tgd Nats fault!
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:12am
- Burtland
  
  Enthomanic rebranding is just a red flag – it indicates the management is now woke and full of diversity hires and for anyone with common sense to stay away. Its the first part of the de-colonising agenda – to get everyone out of cars and into wakas.
  
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  July 19, 2023 10:24am
- Ghost
  
  Have you noticed how things have turned to shit since Ardern became PM
  
  Fixed it for you
  
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  July 19, 2023 10:36am
I remember when

What are the benfits of having a wealth tax?
* If you are the Labour Party, it appeals to left wing voters.
* If you are poor, there is probably little benefit except of seeing people with more money penalised.
* If you are the NZ economy, it will probably lower the overall wealth of the country.
However, the worst feature is that instead of encouraging NZers to be more financially stable, it will remove part of the incentive.
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July 19, 2023 8:39am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They want to give a tax free threshold, such a cut would give give the wealthy a cut as well, it’s nuts
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:13am
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    And since the wealthy will be in a higher tax bracket their tax cut on the first $10,000 will be a lot higher.
    
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    July 19, 2023 9:31am
    - RoboRob
      
      Nope, thats not how taxes here work. If you are on 33% tax rate
      
      10.5% on the first $14,000 10.5%
      17.5% on the money between $14,000 and 48,000
      30% for money between $48,000 and $70,000 33% for money over $70,000
      
      So people earning $20,000 pay the same $ on their first $10,000 as people earning $100,000
      
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      July 19, 2023 10:30am
      - sirknz
        
        You forgot to include the unrealised gains from their home and other assets…
        
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        July 19, 2023 12:24pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        So people earning $20,000 pay the same $ on their first $10,000 as people earning $100,000
        
        A $10k tax-free band amounts to decreasing your taxable income by $10k. So it’s the tax rate on your last 10k that matters ….
        
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        July 20, 2023 5:20pm
    - Hard Cheese
      
      I assume you left off the /s, but that’s a perfect example of the economics that bitter, envious lefties believe
      
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      July 19, 2023 10:51am
  - RoboRob
    
    Nuts becuase they are taxing you on the value of assets, houses and shares etc that you have yet to turn into a profit. The 10,000 was just a ‘sock’ to spin it as tax neutral. Hint, it would not be even with the 10,000 bracket change.
    
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    July 19, 2023 10:32am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Wealth is not income until you sell up.
  I am thinking these bastards want to Tax me before I die.
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:15am
  - Jack5
    
    Don’t give them ideas, Steve.
    
    NZ had “death duties” – inheritance tax – from 1866 until the end of 1992.
    
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    July 19, 2023 9:44am
  - leoj
    
    George Harrison’s Taxman: Declare the pennies on your eyes (referencing the old custom of covering the eyes of dead people with pennies).
    
    Now it would be 50c coins as 10c and 20c ones are not big enough.
    
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    July 19, 2023 11:40am
hullkiwi

The ultimate train wrecks. Kelvin Davis, and Labour’s Youth Justice Policy. I hard Davis interviewed on the am Show at 7.20am. It was a gift for National and a train wreck for Labour in Week 1 of the campaign. In summary Davis was clueless, he has been Childrens’ Minister for 3 years, he is angry about the situation, but done nothing. However, this week he is helping to present Labour’s policy.

In a nutshell, Labour are promising to build two new Youth Justice Facilities. That is the sum total of the policy as it is a knee jerk reaction to the events of last month, and Labour polling showing crime/law and order is one of the voting public’s key concerns.

Davis in his interview on the am Show was painful & clueless.

He said:
He was angry about the situation;
He acknowledged the good work done by youth corrections staff;

But when pressed about the policy, he was clueless as:
1. There is no plan;
2. They don’t know what the design of the facilities will be;
3. They don’t know where they’ll be;
4. They don’t know what staffing is required;
5. They don’t know what rehabilitation training/education will be provided; and
6. The don’t know what the budget will be for the programme.

But we know that Davis is angry about the situation, the fact he has been Minister for 3 years and Labour have been in power for 6 years, send to escape him.

Finally, what Davis does know is that they have a Youth Justice programme that is comprehensive in New South Wales.

Give me strength, as we said in 2017, 9 years in opposition and there were no plans for government, now another 6 years in government and Labour are still clueless. You couldn’t make this s**t up.
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July 19, 2023 8:39am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  It’s their new catch phrase, we are angry, we have had a guts full, but not worried about the anger building for years with their pontificating.
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:17am
- I remember when
  
  Last time Kelvin was politically effective was when he went to Australia to protest the Detention Centres.
  How to do things properly seemed obvious to him then.
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:28am
- jedmo
  
  There was an election 10 or 20 years ago, where a seat was going to go to either Hone Harawira, or an unknown called Kelvin Davis who looked staunch, had a good back story as a successful school principal. I might even have put some funds into the pot, to prevent the seat, going to Hone “I won’t let my daughters date a white guy” Harawira. Laws of unintended consequences and all that, could Harawira have been any worse?
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:30am
  - sirknz
    
    could Harawira have been any worse?
    ———————–
    Yes. I have heard tales of rental vehicles going up north with new tyres and coming back with bald tyres and different rims while he was an MP. If he was in cahoots with the current lot, I believe we would’ve seen some ‘taxpayer relief’ at scales that would make the current MPs with their hands in the cookie jar look like amateur hour in comparison.
    
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    July 19, 2023 12:31pm
- Burtland
  
  9 years in Opposition appears to have destroyed Labour – only the hard core ideologues were left, the lazy clueless ones who couldnt get a job anywhere else. The last 6 years are the legacy.
  
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  July 19, 2023 10:36am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Luke Malpas from The Post has described yesterday’s train wreck as “the worst press conference performance from Labour ministers in this term of government” and labelled Labour’s recent conversion to tough on crime as “ just feeling a day late and a dollar short”.
  
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  July 19, 2023 10:58am
Warren

Documents show Kianga Ora has spent $800,000 on Lawyer’s, Planners and Architects to help its submissions on the City Council District Plan.
The State Housing agency Kianga Ora is pushing for radical changes to Wellingtons Housing rules including wiping protection for Character Buildings and allow more development on flood prone land.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/07/18/kainga-ora-blasted-for-trying-to-change-wellingtons-housing-rules/
You would think after all the floods and damage to the upper North Island recently and billions of dollars it will take to replace and build again for many that our Housing Minister Megan Woods would have learn something by now but it appears she is willing take the same risks again except it is in Wellington the Capital of New Zealand.
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July 19, 2023 8:43am
- Benedict Yu
  
  You would be surprised at what Kàinga Ora can do, quite independently of the Minister. I am not suggesting that Megan Woods was unaware. However KO would have informed her. They would not have sought her agreement because under their Act it is not required.
  
  Yes the Minister could stop them. But that would require her to issue a formal direction under the Crown Entities Act.
  
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  July 19, 2023 10:16am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Extraordinary, isn’t it. We’re told that the place is an earthquake certainty, with a high risk of tsunamis. We know that the Golden Mile pretty much marks the old shoreline, with everything forward being reclaimed land exposed to rising sea levels.
  
  And yet the Government holds the nation’s cultural treasure chest next to the beach; the Council builds and rebuilds one block back and KO insists on housing intensification.
  
  Cognitive dissonance, much?
  
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  July 19, 2023 1:52pm
Rusty

Victorian premier Dan Andrews has cancelled the 2026 commonwealth being held in that state due to predicted high costs of 6-7 billion dollars instead of just over 2 billion dollars budgeted.

What a joke!

Either Victoria is bankrupt or socialist Andrews hates any major event connected with Britain and the monarchy or maybe its both.
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July 19, 2023 8:44am
- Mike
  
  It appears that Victoria deliberately opted to increase the costs.
  If the commonwealth games are to survive, a lower cost model is needed to spread hosting among more countries.
  More fundamentally, what use are the commonwealth games, or the commonwealth itself, except as some kind of relic of a former empire?
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:12am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Indeed. Birmingham ran the Commonwealth Games last year for around $1.5 billion, and actually came in under budget!
    
    Even worse, the budget for the Victorian games was only done two months ago, yet it had already blown out almost threefold. Goodness only knows what the final cost might have been.
    
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    July 19, 2023 11:01am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Numbers are a bit sus, eh
      
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      July 19, 2023 1:53pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He is lying, in that cost was his planned housing and retail complexes, it was not that long ago NZ could not consider the Olympics because the cost would be 1.5 billion, why is this so costly? I went to Melbourne and went swimming in the pool that was brand new for the 2006 games, perhaps it’s time to reuse some of these outstanding older infrastructure.
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:36am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  If the athletes want a global competition for their meaningless anachronistic ego trips they should find a way to market & fund it without taxpayers & ratepayers picking up the bill.
  
  Hopefully the Brisbane Olympics will be cancelled next.
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:50am
- Bob
  
  Victoria States Andrews, is just a typical Socialist who hates recognising and supporting ‘SUCCESS”!
  
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  July 19, 2023 10:49am
  - Rusty
    
    @Bob,
    
    Jacinda Ardern praised Dan Andrews for his handling of the covid crisis 2020-22.
    
    Was she saying she agreed with the cops beating up and shooting rubber bullets at protesters on Melbourne streets and arresting people over facebook posts who disagreed with Andrews?
    
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    July 19, 2023 11:58am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Is there a penalty clause as they have basically broken a contract?
  
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  July 19, 2023 10:59am
I remember when

Chaz Forsyth, PhD thesis:
“Heaping new laws upon old, when the existing laws were neither properly operated nor enforced, seems like failure.”

Should this be engraved on a sign behind the Speaker in Parliament.
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July 19, 2023 8:48am
- Mike
  
  Particularly relevant in the election season when parties compete to propose new ‘tougher’ laws that they can pretend will have an impact on crime.
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:13am
  - Local Miller
    
    So you’ve been looking into Liebour’s election campaign Mike.
    
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    July 19, 2023 9:34am
    - Ghost
      
      Is that the youth policy Chippie spent considerable time yesterday denying to the media they were copying national, and they were hypocrites for bringing in what they’d attack national for?
      
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      July 19, 2023 10:13am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Not entirely wrong. Almost the entirety of the current criminal crisis in NZ is down to piss-weak sentencing practices of Judiciary.
    
    As in economics demand (ie crime incidence) increases as costs (ie punishment) tends to zero.
    
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    July 19, 2023 9:57am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    I remember a few years ago when a piece of crap tagger got shot.
    Taggings went way down for quite a while in that area.
    Tough penalties do work, the trick is not treating criminals like someone else is to blame for their actions.
    
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    July 19, 2023 10:04am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Remember him. Bruce Emery – deserved a medal.
      Did more to clean up Auckland than the council ever has.
      
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      July 19, 2023 11:22am
- Piniwi
  
  Speaking of parliament has anybody else been “Blocked, too many requests” that is from ondemand.parliament.nz?
  
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  July 19, 2023 12:13pm
Biscuit

Politics, politics, meh…

Once again the eyes of the world will be on Wellington’s Rugby team as, at 2.05pm today at the Hutt Rec, they place their unbeaten start (Played 1, Won 1) to the 2023 season on the line when South Canterbury challenge for the Ranfurly Shield.

Je shall be in attendance.

The TAB, I see, think the game will be another of those traditional nailbiter early-season Shield matches and will cross your palm with $1.005 for each $1 you outlay should Wellington, let’s hope, eh?, get up…

[The Cake Tin is out of use because of the FIFA World Cup that uses that for 9 games beginning on Friday.]
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July 19, 2023 8:50am
- Mike
  
  You can get $1.85 by giving South Canterbury a 40-point head start, though.
  I’ll be there too, witnessing another chapter in the storied history of the Hutt Rec.
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:17am
- Prince
  
  Give ’em the axe.
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:18am
  - Mike
    
    Sadly, the Axemen are not the force they once were.
    
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    July 19, 2023 9:58am
- hookerphil
  
  If by chance one of the Heartland teams do actually beat the Holder I wonder what the next step would be after they take it back to the Heartland competition and it is played for all over the country as it moves around. At what stage are the major unions going to whine, where is our challenge knowing full well that it would be 99% successful .
  Anyway, Go South Canterbury.
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:43am
  - Mike
    
    No chance, but it would be an entertaining scenario.
    
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    July 19, 2023 9:54am
- zulumonster
  
  I was at the last game South Canterbury played (and lost) Wellington for the Shield in Timaru.
  Sadly was also at the game 2 matches later when Auckland took the Shield from Wellington.
  
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  July 19, 2023 1:33pm
Maggy Wassilieff

According to Kelvin Davis the surge in Youth Crime is because Covid restrictions have come off.

(from 3:10)

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018898950/government-to-build-two-more-youth-justice-units
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July 19, 2023 9:01am
KH

Tipsy Tory takes her dog to the office.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/300930431/why-tory-whanaus-dog-is-her-latest-headache
My estimation of her goes up. – admittedly from a low base.
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July 19, 2023 9:04am
Maggie Pie

Look what happens when they clear the Cocaine out of The White House…..

https://twitter.com/jason_howerton/status/1681369088319160326
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July 19, 2023 9:08am
Chris Nisbet

Apparently we’re suffering through a ‘global heatwave’.
Let me be the 29,000,000th say.. “bullshit”.
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July 19, 2023 9:25am
- NZer In Exile
  
  From What’s Up With That.
  
  “YouTube suppressed this pushback video on heat wave alarmism – let’s give it a second life”:
  
  https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/07/18/youtube-suppressed-this-pushback-video-on-heat-wave-alarmism-lets-give-it-a-second-life/
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:36pm
Scooter

Geez Willie has Kerre on a tight leash, cut that interview off quick.

https://twitter.com/DavisAndrew88/status/1681376570978734080?t=Ey1ST0VdNIFR1TeoNlf-6A&s=19
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July 19, 2023 9:27am
- Maggie Pie
  
  So can we assume Willie is certified at act as a psychiatric nurse?
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:42am
  - Scooter
    
    Labour’s enforcer, I wonder if Kerre has safe word in case she needs rescuing?
    
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    July 19, 2023 9:59am
    - david
      
      Kerre? or Kiri?
      
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      July 19, 2023 2:42pm
  - Scooter
    
    Maybe a psychotic one by the looks
    
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    July 19, 2023 10:00am
  - Nickc2
    
    Willie needs a Psychiatric Nurse! His cabal is disintegrating before his eyes.
    
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    July 19, 2023 3:16pm
Jack5

France gets the pay-off from featuring Indian troops in its July 14 parade, with Prime Minister Modi sitting alongside the Macrons.

India has announced it will buy 26 Rafale jet fighters from France (plus submarines).

The jets will cost about $10 billion.

For the vast cost of NZ’s Covid money storm, we could have bought 150 or more of these jets, and there would have been Maori in the big parade and the whole Labour Cabinet squashed in with the Macrons.
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July 19, 2023 9:34am
I remember when

Will Death Valley reach their highest temperature ever recorded.
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July 19, 2023 9:40am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/brilliant-meetings-in-wellington-and-kapiti/

Two young Maori men talked to Julian after the meeting.- They said “We didn’t know anything about the Treaty.” Julian signed heir books!
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July 19, 2023 9:48am
- rjay
  
  Went to one of his meetings. Not bad for an amateur historian although some conclusions are long bows.
  The debate is over complicated in my book.
  1. The treaty was signed between the Crown and some chiefs.
  2. Everyone agrees that at least governorship and possibly sovereignty was ceded.
  3. Therefore co-governance is not on the table.
  
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  July 19, 2023 10:47am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Treaty was re-written with the Waitangi in 1975.
    1989 Sir Hugh Kawharu added in Forestries and Fisheries. The were not in the original Treaty written in Maori and translated into English. It is known as the Littlewood Document.
    What we have today is a rogue Treaty, designed to extract settlements forever.
    
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    July 19, 2023 11:09am
    - Cantabrian
      
      Sorry, Steve – I understand the Maori language treaty was translated from the Littlewood original? There is no question that the final English draft, written by Busby, was given to Henry Williams to translate into Te Tiriti O Waitangi. The original treaty was not drafted/written in Maori.
      
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      July 19, 2023 11:22am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Want to tell Julian Batchelor he is wrong? 53 min, that you won’t watch!
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVgY03s6Tqc
        
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        July 19, 2023 5:14pm
      - Cantabrian
        
        At around 10-12 mins Julian describes what happened. He is not wrong – and neither is my comment. It is clear the Littlewood draft was the final, agreed, english template for the treaty and was given to WIlliams to translate. Martin Doutre has set out how it was handled – Julian posted an article on this in January: https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/martin-doutre-video-on-how-the-treaty-came-about-this-is-worth-watching/
        
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        July 19, 2023 10:03pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The reason Politicians supported lockdowns. People wanted to be told what to do. If it happens again people will just ignore the controllers.
Can’t argue against this.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xodzxUNozO8
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July 19, 2023 9:53am
- H. Upmann
  
  Yes, it is likely that more will ignore the controllers than last time, but the majority will still obey them.
  
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  July 19, 2023 11:04am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Labour are not a majority anymore – depending on where the poll was done LOL!
    
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    July 19, 2023 5:16pm
Surely Knott

The criminal act that just happened in our country appears to be a crime where the NZ law is unique in allowing leniency of murder for children up to 10 yrs old when most other countries its only 12 months, and our country has the most lenient term of 3 years max.

UK, Canada under 12 months and Oz 2 years . France dropped their infanticide laws. Infanticide is illegal in the Netherlands, although the maximum sentence is lower than for homicide. The Groningen Protocol regulates euthanasia for infants who are believed to “suffer hopelessly and unbearably” under strict conditions. South Africa refers to abandonment and concealment of a newly born child . There doesn’t seem to be any leniency in Sth Africa for infanticide.

But NZ Law.
“Where a woman causes the death of any child of hers under the age of 10 years in a manner that amounts to culpable homicide, and where at the time of the offence the balance of her mind was disturbed, by reason of her not having fully recovered from the effect of giving birth to that or any other child, or by reason of the effect of lactation, or by reason of any disorder consequent upon childbirth or lactation, to such an extent that she should not be held fully responsible, she is guilty of infanticide, and not of murder or manslaughter, and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years.”

Disturbed mind also appears to be a wide and vague term and is a much lesser threshold than insanity.

Change the law. It’s sexist , ageist, immoral and not based in science. . If Post partum psychosis is a factor in a murder it should reach the same threshold as insanity in a murder trial. Babies and kids deserve the same protection from harm as adults.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide
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July 19, 2023 9:53am
- Ghost
  
  It happened two years ago and she has been in a mental health facility since she did it because of her mental health. It’s obvious from the evidence given yesterday by her husband she has suffered with mental health for a long time.
  
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  July 19, 2023 10:01am
  - DeepBlue
    
    Shifting to NZ via a 2 week covid hotel stay doesn’t seem like a very good idea.
    
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    July 19, 2023 10:16am
    - Ghost
      
      It goes further, she had mental health problems before that, it looks like she had mental gealth isdues since school, the still birth of her child. Three times she mentioned things about the children that should have been red flags to get her help.
      
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      July 19, 2023 10:32am
      - Surely Knott
        
        If she had mental health issues since school it’s not a disturbance linked to giving birth.
        
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        July 19, 2023 2:37pm
      - Ghost
        
        She had postpartum as well as ongoing mental health issues.she has been in care since she did it, and she will going back there. This is a tragic case for her and her husband. I do hope this case brings mental health more into the light as it’s obvious there is still a lot of misunderstanding and stigma
        
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        July 19, 2023 2:53pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Then if she was charged with Murder (like a man who murdered his children would be) then she could claim criminal insanity. But Criminal insanity is a significantly higher threshold and the threshold for infanticide is merely *disturbed*. ”
    
    And so on what basis should a woman be able to murder her child up to the age of 10 years old with a lesser sentence. It is not linked to birth or lactation at 10 years old. We are talking about mothering of toddlers and children. Why does that require a leniency to murder them. The Mental Health Foundation defines postnatal depression as occurring within the first year. And depression doesn’t get you an insanity defense for murder.
    
    The nz legal review of canada’s law “found that the legislation was deliberately vague in defining
    infanticide, Parliament having intended to ‘set a very low threshold’ in using the term
    “disturbed”.7 T”
    
    “Applying this interpretative approach to the word “disturbed” the Court accepted the
    Oxford English Dictionary meaning of it as “disquieted; agitated; having the settled
    state, order, or position interfered with” and “emotionally or mentally unstable or
    abnormal””
    
    Arguably this law is sexist and originated at a time when women’s sexuality and reproductive processes were labelled as mental health illnesses. Eg. Female Hysteria
    
    Postnatal psychosis is the more serious diagnosis that involves a loss of reality. Arguably postnatal psychosis could be used for a criminal insanity defense to murder.
    
    Why is our law up to 10. What part of being a woman means you need leniency to murder a child. Being a parent is the tough especially if you are poor, sleep deprived, young, have little support, relationship problems, an unsupportive partner.. But we don’t allow this defense for young men. And we don’t allow those factors to justify murder of other members of the public, only your own child. Why do we excuse filicide.
    
    10 years old is a national embarrasment.
    
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    July 19, 2023 10:55am
    - Ghost
      
      To be successful with infanticide it has be proven she hasn’t recovered from childbirth, not sure a male can claim the same.
      
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      July 19, 2023 11:33am
      - Surely Knott
        
        It does say birth. But then it contradicts itself in two ways.
        
        1. the age of up to 10 years which is obviously not connected to birth. (Law Review Thesis: “It is significant, when compared to overseas jurisdictions, that within New Zealand legislation the age is any child under ten years of age in relation to infanticide, which is significantly higher than that of other jurisdictions researched and does not align with any definition of infanticide. 18)”
        
        And 2. NZ law is unique because it does not require that the baby biologically has to be yours to qualify for infanticide. The words “any child of hers” has been interepreted by courts as any child in your care.
        
        “The term “any child of hers” has been expanded within case law to include children that are not biologically
        related to the offender. The interpretation of “any child of hers” was considered and expanded in the case of R v P.
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        In this case the offender had two of her own children, one six month old baby and one eighteen month old
        infant. The offender was still breast feeding one child. The woman murdered a five year old child that was not
        biologically hers, however, lived in her household. In this case “any child of hers” was interpreted to be any child that “in fact, law and common sense, can be said to be hers (due to circumstance)”
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        So the law does not require it to relate to biological birth
        
        https://assets.menz.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/Infanticide-The-Crimes-Act-New-Zealand-Inequity-for-Males-Men-_Bad_-Women-_Mad_-2021.pdf
        
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        July 19, 2023 1:25pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      Boil it down to the essentials. Flag what the first responders saw and how (justifiably) upset the father was … and all the rest.
      
      There are two possible conclusions – she is either mad or bad. I go with mad …. I would feel the same about any mother who killed her kids like this. It’s a horrible unimaginable thing for a sane person to do ….
      
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      July 20, 2023 5:31pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  To be frank, it would require more than a Wikipedia article to convince me that the law is “not based on science”.
  
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  July 19, 2023 10:29am
  - Surely Knott
    
    If there is a scientific reason for women being *disturbed* from birth until their children are 10 years old we appear to be the only country that is aware of it. In Australia UK it is 12 months.
    
    She wouldn’t be tried for infanticide in other countries.
    
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    July 19, 2023 11:30am
DeepBlue

The government crashed the ETS carbon price this year by causing uncertainty. As a result, Stuff today:

“Late last year, units were selling for roughly $87 each, according to trader Jarden Securities. Earlier this month, a unit cost just $34.

On one litre of petrol, the carbon penalty moved from 20 cents to just 8 cents.”

That 12c reduction along with falling fuel price would have given the Govn confidence that July was the best, and only, opportunity to reinstate the fuel tax.

I wonder if the Govn crashed the carbon price this year to try and dampen the cost of living crises.
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July 19, 2023 10:22am
- Matt Long
  
  Yes, yes they did, or at least prevented the price from rising excessively.
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/132563606/the-carbon-price-jumps-to-news-of-successful-climate-lawsuit
  
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  July 19, 2023 5:38pm
Benedict Yu

This really takes the cake for stupidity.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/132570680/christchurch-should-host-commonwealth-games-mayor-phil-mauger-says

The stadium might be finished, but it would be touch and go.

He implies that there won’t be any costs 😳.

I am skeptical that the Commonwealth games can survive. But if they do it would require a totally different model.
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July 19, 2023 10:24am
Maggie Pie

Why do the ‘left’ hate successful people sooo much?

Just been talking to my doubles partner.
She had her brand new Grecale valet parked in Sky City last nite. Never noticed anything amiss when they retrieved it for her. This morning, she finds someone has coined it right across the back.
Prue is NOT HAPPY!!

But as I said to her…what can you expext after 6 years of Labor?
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July 19, 2023 10:26am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Makes me thankful I have a 20 year old Toyota Celica.
  
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  July 19, 2023 10:48am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Not silly these days Bene 😀
    
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    July 19, 2023 11:11am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      It is coming up to 300,000 km. There is this rumour that the odometer gets stuck at 299,999 🙁
      
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      July 19, 2023 11:37am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Shame you’re not up here Bene.
        My partner knows someone who could wind it back.
        
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        July 19, 2023 11:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I do not have signs in the back window of my prado. I just made another the other day but decided not to put it in.
  Other signs say “Trump 2024” “Make America great again” “Hillary for Prison 2024”
  There are nutters out there who get triggered easy.
  
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  July 19, 2023 11:15am
  - virtualmark
    
    Is that last sentence a glimmer of self awareness?
    
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    July 19, 2023 1:30pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Uptick. It is a glimmer of more and more who turn to violence and damage when they have no more answers.
      I like my Prado, it is a Toyota Anniversary Edition. lots of bells and whistles.
      
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      July 19, 2023 5:21pm
- Ian Boag
  
  Naturally this would never have happened when JK was in the chair …..
  
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  July 20, 2023 5:35pm
ClanMcleod

More evidence of serious covid vaccine harm was recently posted on The Lancet, then pulled within 24 hours.

STORY AT-A-GLANCE
July 5, 2023, Dr. Peter McCullough, Dr. Harvey Risch, Dr. Roger Hodkinson, an expert clinical pathologist, and colleagues published a systematic review of autopsy findings in people who died after receiving a COVID shot on The Lancet journal’s preprint server

The autopsy review found that 62.5% to 73.9% of post-jab deaths were likely caused by the injection

Preprints with The Lancet pulled the study in less than 24 hours

The New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) also rejected the paper, as did the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA). The preprint server medRxiv and others also refused to post it

Belgian researchers report that two doses of the Pfizer mRNA COVID jab induced lethal “turbo cancers” in a mouse. Two days after receiving its second dose, one of the 14 injected mice (7%) died suddenly. No clinical signs of illness were present before its abrupt death. Upon post-mortem examination, the mouse was found to have lymphoma in several organs, including the heart, liver, kidneys, spleen and lungs.

https://tinyurl.com/ycx82c4x

As expected.

The Lancet Censors Paper
As has so often been the case over these past three years, the journal didn’t waste time censoring the paper. Preprints with The Lancet pulled it within 24 hours,4 stating “the study’s conclusions are not supported by the study methodology.”5 In what way? They don’t say. As noted by McCullough, the methodology is as standard as it gets. Will Jones at the Daily Sceptic adds:6

“A number of the authors of the paper are at the top of their fields so it is hard to imagine that the methodology of their review was really so poor that it warranted removal at initial screening rather than being subject to full critical appraisal. It smacks instead of raw censorship of a paper that failed to toe the official line …

In NZ, “safe and effective and get boosted!”
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July 19, 2023 10:44am
mandk

Inflation rate down to 6.0%.

Still the highest rate since June 1990.

Robertson used to excuse the rate of increase saying that it was mainly tradables (i.e. imported) inflation.

But now non-tradables (i.e. domestic) inflation is 6.6% and tradables inflation is 5.2%.

Come on Grant, admit you have failed NZers.
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July 19, 2023 10:52am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  With the quarterly non tradeable/tradeable ratio running at around 1.6 the October figure is unlikely to look very pretty once the impact of this quarter’s transport increases come into play and Stats won’t be able to word play with a “tradeable petrol cost” decline. The only good point is that the current government will probably still be in control on the 17th Oct as a “caretaker” government so might still get to wear the accolades 🙂
  
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  July 19, 2023 12:09pm
Tony Stuart

The latest inflation figure is 6.0%. Almost universally, economists were predicting the number would start with a 5.
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July 19, 2023 11:02am
- Maggie Pie
  
  It will about three weeks out from the election.
  Adrian wont let Robbo down.
  
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  July 19, 2023 11:14am
  - mandk
    
    Election day is 14 Oct.
    The next inflation number will be released on 17 Oct, and it will be released by StatsNZ, not the RBNZ.
    
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    July 19, 2023 11:18am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      I stand by my comments. My partner is very much in the no.
      
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      July 19, 2023 11:45am
      - mandk
        
        Do tell us how.
        
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        July 19, 2023 11:49am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Advance voting begins on 2nd October. There’s no way in Hades Stats NZ will have the numbers ready on the first working day after the end of the quarter (30 September).
      
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      July 19, 2023 6:32pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Don’t forget there’s still the inflationary effect of taking the fuel subsidy off on the first of this month. That’s an immediate trigger to inflation.
    
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    July 19, 2023 6:30pm
miltonF

“Commissioner for the unborn”

https://i.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/132565061/meet-the-worlds-first-commissioner-for-the-unborn

Here’s me thinking she must be a pro-life/anti abortion advocate! Silly me! She’s actually an anti-road, anti-capitalist, greenie activist!

Welcome to the brave new world.
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July 19, 2023 11:23am
Maggie Pie

And things that make you go….. “Hmmm”

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1681400646824542214
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July 19, 2023 11:39am
DeepBlue

Tova is back…
Award-winning journalist and broadcaster Tova O’Brien is joining Stuff Digital in the new role of Chief Political Correspondent.
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July 19, 2023 11:50am
- krazykiwi
  
  Her ‘award winning’ journalism as the allure of something one might find on the side of their shoe.
  
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  July 19, 2023 1:08pm
Ehlana

From Newstalk ZB:
“Gloriavale School is under review.

The Ministry of Education has confirmed the Education Review Office is investigating the school after the Employment Court ruled six women to be employees, not volunteers, during their time in the community.

The women’s lawyer Brian Henry told Mike Hosking that the situation is tax funded female servitude, and the ERO needs to stand up.

Henry says the women were being taught to be kept separate, and to cook, clean, wash, and sew.

He says this is entirely unacceptable from any education system.”

I thought the job of the ERO included ensuring that the New Zealand curriculum (or an accepted alternate, like the Cambridge or IB) was being taught in schools receiving taxpayer funding.

Isn’t it?
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July 19, 2023 11:57am
- krazykiwi
  
  Agencies enabled by regulatory power are unleashed on the domain adjacent unsuspecting because laws are a bit tricky, a bit black-and-white. This strategy part of the totalitarian playbook.
  
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  July 19, 2023 1:35pm
  - waikatosinger
    
    Actually kids today could do with being taught how to cook, clean, wash, and sew. Useful life skills, all of them.
    
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    July 19, 2023 6:11pm
Swifty

I wonder what that awful racist Marama Davidson has to say about this latest atrocity:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/manurewa-house-fire-death-poi-tinei-sentenced-for-murder-of-teao-wiki/VILFKMGJCFBIHD4YMMNYAB6RAU/

If asked, I’m sure she’ll find a way to blame whitey. People like her always do.
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July 19, 2023 12:08pm
Ghost

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), along with a bipartisan group of five other senators, introduced extraordinary legislation on July 13, suggesting that the U.S. government or private contractors may secretly possess recovered UFOs and “biological evidence of living or deceased non-human intelligence.”

According to the legislation, “non-human intelligence” is defined as “any sentient intelligent non-human lifeform, regardless of nature or ultimate origin which may be presumed responsible for” UFOs.

Article
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July 19, 2023 12:29pm
Cantabrian

There has been discussion earlier today on ‘3 Waters’. A previous poster provided a link to the Te Mana O Te Wai Guidelines for Mana Whenua. I’ve taken the time to read this document and I suggest others should as well. It is terrifying.
https://ourlandandwater.nz/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Te-Mana-o-te-Wai-Guidelines-for-Mana-Whenua.pdf

Some examples that stand out:

Te Mana o te Wai is a concept that is derived from mātauranga Māori. As such it cannot be defined without the leadership of hapū and iwi in their respective takiwā (tribal areas). These definitions are shaped, by the unique mana whenua (indigenous people of Aōtearoa within their takiwā) who belong to each type of water, of each spring, of each river, of each puia (geothermal spring), of each expanse of ocean.
The way in which hapū and iwi define and implement Te Mana o te Wai will be aligned with the tikanga and kawa of those specific areas.
How hapū and iwi describe Te Mana o te Wai comes from a place of whakapapa and mātauranga, not driven by a national policy statement outcome, so the way in which it is defined within a takiwā may be far more expansive than the limitations of the policy intervention.
Councils will need to recognise that although the NPSFW uses kupu Māori (Māori words) the definitions in the policy are limiting and do not reflect the depth of the concepts for mana whenua. Councils will have to ensure there is flexibility to enable mana whenua to define all terms from their own tikanga and whakapapa.
Without an effective Te Tiriti partnership between hapū, iwi and councils, Te Mana o te Wai will falter. So, in implementing the NPSFW councils will need transform their partnership approach, not merely establish collaborative groups or advisory committees. Te Mana o te Wai requires adequate investment, reframing the infrastructure of council and co-designing approaches with hapū and iwi as part of the solution.
The views of hapū and iwi around their dissatisfaction with partnerships with Council are not new, there are some several examples that are delivering good outcomes, however there are many more examples where the hapū and iwi are feeling marginalised and under resourced to participate effectively.
Te Arawhiti, the office for Māori Crown Relations, carried out 33 hui across the country in 20183. Their report from the hui and submissions saw issues with local government being a common theme. In particular the view that is heard often from local council bodies that they are not the Crown and as such are not Te Tiriti partners. This perspective will need to change if we are to give effect to Te Mana o te Wai. In order to appropriately support mana whenua to define Te Mana o te Wai, a transformative approach to power sharing will be needed, and this will take time to apply across the whole system.

Mauri is a concept that comes from Te Aō Māori. It is not a concept that can be used or defined by those who are not the mana whenua of the waters themselves. We have seen examples of those who are not mana whenua ‘measuring’ mauri where they do not have the cultural knowledge or depth of understanding of mauri and how it fits in a wider Te Aō Māori paradigm. As mauri is a central part of Te Mana o te Wai, local and central government will need to provide adequate resourcing to enable hapū and iwi to develop these tools appropriately.
[It is clear that it will be encumbent on central and local government to fund iwi and hapu so they can tell us what their rules are.]

There are a range of definitions in this section which will be helpful to note in using the NPSFW. However, where there are many Māori words and concepts, we would strongly recommend that mana whenua hold their own definitions and that these should be used instead where mana whenua have identified them.
[Suggests that any definition of a Maori word in the Act can be over-ridden by a mana whenua’s own definition. Potential for endless litigation?]

I try to imagine the impact of this concept/approach being carried over into the RMA replacement. It would effectively give hapu and iwi total control over the land and resources of NZ. And of course taxpayers would end up with a very very expensive bill to resource every hapu/iwi to exercise its ‘rights’ and ‘obligations’ as mana whenua.

Someone tell me that I’ve got it wrong and this will not end badly.
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July 19, 2023 12:39pm
- Swifty
  
  “You’ve got a nice army base here Colonel…..”
  
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cNZKUozrBl4&pp=ygUSbW9udHkgcHl0aG9uIG1hZmlh
  
  This is New Zealand’s future under our Maori Mafia overlords….
  
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  July 19, 2023 1:32pm
- Nickc2
  
  This is scary shit!
  It’s going to involve Lawyers and Courts for years to come and I fear that in the end (if there is one), we will end up in the same situation we find ourselves in today.
  I’m all for National’s proposal as outlined by Tony Stuart’s link @ 8:28 AM
  
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  July 19, 2023 2:07pm
Swifty

Hang on a minute!

Doesn’t this go against everything Labour has been lecturing us about in the last six years – gaslighting us with their assertion that imprisoning people does NOT make us safer?

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132572766/watch-live-government-announces-new-ram-raid-offence

What an embarrassing backtrack. What else have they got wrong? Will they apologise?
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July 19, 2023 12:41pm
- Ghost
  
  However, Robertson said the plans were “reheating Bill English’s leftovers”.
  
  “This is a National Party of no ideas,” he said. “This is a policy that we know does not work.”
  
  Allan said a Labour policy to put ankle bracelets on 10-year-olds “absolutely does not exist”. She said putting youth offenders in a boot camp would only create more victims in the longer term.
  
  I’m shocked I tell you, shocked, laughing, embarrassing
  
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  July 19, 2023 1:14pm
Argonath

Do we not have people sleeping in cars any more? Has everyone been housed in motels? I haven’t heard anything from the scum msm about this. It was all the rage when national was in power and heading into the election. It still pisses me off how duplicitous the msm is and the sheeple never realise it.
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July 19, 2023 12:49pm
Bridgenag

“Green Colonialism” is real and must be stopped.
Part 1 of 3 on Green Colonialism and Climate Change

“Foreign policies involving forcing solar energy on nation states failed in the 1970s, and it is failing now. For instance, Germany and much of the EU is in the middle of an energy crisis as their green energy solutions have failed again and again. Wind energy has also proven to be costly, uneconomical and bad for the local ecology. It is time to get real.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/green-colonialism-is-real-and-must?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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July 19, 2023 1:09pm
Maggie Pie

Next time Waka Kotahi ask would you be willing to donate organs in the event of death…. I’ll be ticking the ‘NO’ box 🙁

https://twitter.com/InternetH0F/status/1681324796926124034
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July 19, 2023 1:47pm
Swifty

Let me guess, before even reading the article, that all her policy prescriptions, recommendations and interventions broadly and neatly align with contemporary socialist dogma:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/132565061/meet-the-worlds-first-commissioner-for-the-unborn

Oh, isn’t that a surprise.
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July 19, 2023 1:48pm
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Nurses are striking again, on 9th August. Not for more money, but, for safer staffing levels and conditions.

Currently, many wards are operating at over capacity and nurses are burning out. From what I can observe, the government is replacing local nurses (who leave) with Filopino and Indian nurses.

My thought on this is that NZ has had poor quality immigration for decades, and the taxes paid by new immigrants does not cover socialised costs such as healthcare. We need new hospitals but cannot afford them.
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July 19, 2023 1:57pm
- rockape
  
  They still have to settle their MECA agreement. They have been offered 3% which is going backwards with current inflation. Yet, Labour know their is a nurse shortage just won’t do anything to resolve it. Hence we have worse working conditions and more stress on Nurses and Doctors.
  
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  July 19, 2023 3:14pm
- mandk
  
  Actually, immigrants are really good value for money, compared to people born and brought up in NZ.
  
  They pay the same taxes as native NZers, but they didn’t impose the same public expenditure costs, particularly for expensive things like childhood health care and 16+ years of primary, secondary and tertiary education.
  
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  July 19, 2023 3:18pm
  - Jack5
    
    Highly educated immigrants with sought-after skills are great value, if you can get enough of them in competition with smarter countries than ours.
    
    However, immigration needs to take into account infrastructure capacity, and economic strengths (or weaknesses) such as a country’s balance of payments, reflecting its external trade with the world.
    
    New Zealand’s wealth as measured by GDP per capita has slipped in comparison with similar developed countries while New Zealand has experienced its biggest immigration surge since the Maori canoe fleet arrived.
    
    Our balance of payments is negative, housing is bad, our health system is in its worst state for three-quarters of a century, our education system is diving to Third World standards, our universities are broke.
    
    How did this shambles occur if high immigration is the economic silver bullet?
    
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    July 19, 2023 3:51pm
- rockape
  
  They are striking against the package offered which includes rejecting a 3% pay offer.
  
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  July 19, 2023 4:59pm
Sparrow

Just had a sad situation with a lovely immigrant Asian nurse. She is a fully qualified doctor practised for 6 years in her own country can’t get registered here. Apparently no way of doing some sort of entry exam it seems that have to virtually retrain at great cost. NZ is screaming out for doctors apparently another 1000 in a similar situation. In her opinion simply a mechanism to protect NZ doctors. Much easier in OZ. All her children doing medical studies in OZ. Otago offered positions but preferred OZ as better training. Also nurses leaving in droves going to OZ. All medical facilities in NZ have lack of staff. In the meantime the medical bureaucrats increase in Wellington. What an indictment of this and previous governments and throw in care based on ethnicity its a complete disaster. Can you blame the young and educated going offshore.
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July 19, 2023 4:02pm
- Ian Boag
  
  I know a radiologist from Serbia who got herself recertified with some difficulty as a sonographer. Sort of like a university engineering graduate applying to be a mechanic.
  
  Her English was never going to be good enough to pass IELTS 9. I reckon there would be Pakeha NZ doctors who wouldn’t make that bar.
  
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  December 20, 2022 5:45pm
- Ghost
  
  Our hospital has a lot of immigrant nurses and doctors, my gp clinic just got a new Chinese doctor a few months ago.
  
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  July 19, 2023 4:09pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-drink/300931101/celebrity-chef-tom-kerridge-defends-73-fish-and-chips-at-his-uk-restaurant
Pretentious prick.
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July 19, 2023 4:59pm
- Ghost
  
  His restaurant, he can charge what he likes. He’s still in business which means that those who can afford to go there do, those that can’t whinge and bitch about the prices
  
  £35 For fish and chips from a Michelin chef is a good deal. Those who are whinging can go to the fish n chip shop and get their usual
  
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  July 19, 2023 5:13pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YIP…see where he pays 1800 quid a week to Harrods!
    Thats a shit load of Fush & Chups!!
    
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    July 19, 2023 5:29pm
    - Ghost
      
      Maybe he will be interested in hiring miss Ardern, she is qualified to ~~cook, serve,~~ eat fish n chips.
      
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      July 19, 2023 5:33pm
Maggie Pie

Just heard te Justice Minister on ZB being interviewed by Jack Tame on the proposed new sentencing regime for 13 year old ram-raiders.
What an unintelligible word salad rave that was!!

Bloody Hell….no wonder she needs Willie there to pull her away 🙁
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July 19, 2023 5:23pm
Swifty

Kellie-Jay Keen coming back to NZ to face her abuser:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oipSAM_BqpA
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July 19, 2023 5:30pm
Swifty

Sir Roger Douglas on current events:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmM7ubWqpeY
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July 19, 2023 5:31pm
Ghost

I doubt anyone will be surprised

Wuhan Lab Leak “So Friggin’ Likely” – New Slack Messages Reveal Massive Media Deception By Fauci & ‘Scientists’

Even credentialed scientists began to be disciplined by sites like Facebook, which took direction from government health authorities and prohibited statements about the virus being “man-made or manufactured.”

There was also an impact on the press, especially after the popular site Zero Hedge was removed from Twitter after an article suggesting a scientist in Wuhan was behind the outbreak.

It later turned out that Farrar referenced the Zero Hedge article in a letter to Fauci not long after the site was suspended.

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July 19, 2023 5:38pm
Ghost

Twitter Files: Who Are the People Claiming RFK Jr. is “Disinformation”?

During several trips earlier this year to Twitter’s San Francisco HQ, I ran across internal emails claiming that Robert Kennedy Jr. spews disinformation. Instead of trying to adjudicate these claims—which would likely be impossible—I decided to ask few obvious questions:

Who are these people?

Who funds them?

How did they become “disinformation experts”?

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July 19, 2023 5:44pm
igm

Definitely a two-tier society when it comes to sentencing and penalties . . .
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/132565664/teacher-who-stole-thousands-with-fake-invoices-allowed-to-keep-teaching
This is a bloody insult to decent teachers and those struck off for failing to use adopted pronouns on weirdos.
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July 19, 2023 5:49pm
- Swifty
  
  And discharged without conviction I see…..
  
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  July 19, 2023 5:56pm
- Ghost
  
  For me there are three words that sum this all up, discharged without conviction
  
  Once again the justice system weak on crime
  
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  July 19, 2023 5:58pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  On the other hand, she repaid all the money, did not get name suppression & must declare the offence to future employers. She also did not offend while working as a teacher.
  
  On balance and if you believe in second chances, perhaps not the worst decision.
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:08pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/300931125/questions-continue-to-swirl-as-mystery-space-debris-removed-from-australian-beach
Looks to me like some sort of copper retort for making alcohol-based drinks.
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July 19, 2023 5:53pm
- Swifty
  
  Hahaha!
  
  Internet sleuths have narrowed it down to a fuel canister on an Indian rocket.
  
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  July 19, 2023 5:55pm
- Ghost
  
  They should try rubbing it, a genie could come out
  
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  July 19, 2023 6:01pm
- kevn
  
  Make a good high grade brazier or BBQ.
  
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  July 19, 2023 7:07pm
Swifty

The brilliant Rachael Wong who grew up and did her studies in NZ, now lost to Aussie, on current events:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UJYjfsuuJbM
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July 19, 2023 5:54pm
Ghost

Thank god for a labour government we’ve had no strikes the last few years

Oh wait

And on top of this was a two day strike this week from the medlab staff

Nurses have voted to strike again, saying they’re “extremely frustrated at the lack of progress” in negotiations with employer Te Whatu Ora.

Members of the New Zealand Nurses Organisation (NZNO) voted to strike today, chief executive Paul Goulter said, for 24 hours from 9am on August 9.

Te Whatu Ora has not addressed nurses’ concerns, the union said. The vote, organised on Tuesday, came just before Te Whatu Ora made a new offer.

Members will vote on the offer on August 1, and if it is successful the strike will be called off.

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July 19, 2023 6:47pm
Maggie Pie

THANKS ARDERN.

Had to shoot over to Countdown earlier to stock up again on the single use plastic ARMADA Kitchen Tidy Bags.
Last time I bought them they were $2.50 a roll.

Today…$4.80!! Thieving pricks 🙁
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July 19, 2023 7:00pm
- Ghost
  
  ~~Countdown~~ Woolworths has to pay for their name change……
  
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  July 19, 2023 7:03pm
- kevn
  
  Their Countdown HomeBrand baked beans went from 80c straight to $1.40. Thieving pricks indeed.
  
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  July 19, 2023 7:06pm
Ghost

Shawn has some interesting guests

Ron DeSantis – Deadly Force on Cartels, Deconstructing the Weaponized DOJ/FBI, and Combating China

For those waiting for sound of freedom here is an interview with Jim Caviezel

Jim Caviezel Exposes The Horrors of a $150 Billion Trafficking Network That Claims 6 Million Lives
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July 19, 2023 7:24pm
- Ohm my
  
  He has very interesting guests, and is growing as an interviewer. His Rob O’Neil interview was pretty good, the dude who supposedly popped Osama.
  Shawn is one of my favourite podcasts.
  
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  July 19, 2023 7:45pm
  - Ghost
    
    I’m just listening to his Erik Prince interview
    
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    July 19, 2023 8:00pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  DeSantis again coming across as rock solid. Hopefully there are more sensible voters than infantile narcissists come the election.
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:54pm
  - marcw
    
    “Hopefully there are more sensible voters than infantile narcissists come the election.”
    
    Right back at you. Luckily, other opinions are still allowed.
    
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    July 19, 2023 10:02pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Te Whatu Ora has been deliberately holding back data

Minister Verrall just waking up ….

: In response to question No. 8 today, I said that the role of my office was to request that Te Whatu Ora publish the correct data. I have since been advised by my office that Te Whatu Ora reported a provisional date for the data to be released on 5 July, and a staff member said that it should not be released that week due to other announcements. Upon learning this information, I have told my staff that they should not have given that direction, and it is my expectation that it does not happen again. The final date that the data was released was determined by Te Whatu Ora based on when the information was ready.

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20230718_20230719_46
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July 19, 2023 8:09pm
- Ghost
  
  In all fairness to her, this seems to be common now for her and her department to delay or release bad data.
  
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  July 19, 2023 8:12pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Dr Shane Reti is having a fantastic week. First there was the story of his night-time trips with St John crews around the country, and today he had Dr Verrall breakdancing on the head of a pin. It was one of the least convincing ministerial answers I’ve seen for a long time, and he did it with such politeness!
  
  https://vimeo.com/846472720
  
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  July 19, 2023 9:44pm

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