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Steve Otto(North Shore)

Tuck off!

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/fox-news-wants-to-stop-tucker-carlson-s-new-twitter-show/ss-AA1ajfNJ
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July 16, 2023 8:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Dominion Voting machines are not really crooked, the people feeding the date to them are. That goes for the IT ‘experts’ checking the machines were working properly. Hello? Many machines started flipping votes 30 minutes after the IT people left!
  
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  July 16, 2023 8:10am
  - emmess
    
    The thing is, even if you believe they are 100% clean, then tell me what is the point of voting machines? When paper ballots and hand counting is just as good.
    They only add an extra unnecessary expense.
    
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    July 16, 2023 8:40am
    - virtualmark
      
      Our elections here are simple – just two votes per ballot paper.
      
      In the US the voting paper is a lot more complex, with lots more voting items per ballot paper. So the theory is that machines to speed up the count.
      
      Not saying I agree with that idea (I don’t, I think paper ballots are superior), but that’s their rationale
      
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      July 16, 2023 9:39am
      - JackRabbit
        
        Actually if the purpose is to read the ballots, the summaries could be tabulated onto paper, in which case the ballot readers do not need to be connected to the internet.
        
        And the summaries could be punched into a computer that sends the totals to the main election office.
        
        Multiple ways of doing it. But having voting machines and ballot readers hooked up to the internet with public IP addresses is a privacy breach. Allowing the machine / software engineers to update firmware and software during the election is just outright dumb and a security breach.
        
        Whatever you think of Trump, he packed out his meetings and rallies.
        
        And he lost the election to an animated cadaver, that looks like an extra out of “Zombies Dawn of The Dead”, and that behaves and talks like Edgar out of Men In Black (a farmer who is killed and eaten by a giant alien insect, which then wears his skin), and that struggled to get people to his rallies.
        
        Yeah Right. A Tui billboard right there.
        
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        July 16, 2023 10:19am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Uptick for you virtualmark. Voting machines were checked and verified. 30 minutes later they changed – as programed.
        Look at this:
        https://www.statista.com/statistics/273743/number-of-registered-voters-in-the-united-states/
        2020 looks a bit odd, 7 million more registered than 2022 (half terms)
        It is huge compared with NZ. US 160M+ and we have 1.7M? (the google machine does not give me the number I want)
        
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        July 16, 2023 11:18am
      - virtualmark
        
        Steve,
        
        If that were the case then Trump and friends would have won at least one of their 60+ court cases alleging electoral fraud.
        
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        July 16, 2023 11:34am
      - JackRabbit
        
        @virtualmark 11:34
        
        That would be the case assuming the justice system was not as corrupt as the political system.
        
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        July 16, 2023 11:41am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @ Jack at 11.41,
        Justice system is corrupt. Look at what Bragg, Smith, Letitia James, Pelosi, to name a few. All out to stop Trump.
        
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        July 16, 2023 1:35pm
      - mawm
        
        @ Virtual mark – the cases never got to court! Every excuse in the book was given by the judiciary to not have the case come to court eg the complainant does not have jurisdiction, etc. Those that got to court had absurd rulings made by the judges.
        
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        July 16, 2023 7:06pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Manual signature verification of one every 2.9 seconds is a joke. It is impossible. The Democrats and Authorities refuse to accept the videos of bulk ballot drops in the middle of the night.
      Some vote counters told to go home at 9pn and come back at 9am in the morning. After they left, boxes of votes pulled out from under tables and the counting and flipping started again. One County (don’t remember where) had more votes counted than the number of registered voters!
      
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      July 16, 2023 10:56am
  - All_on_Red
    
    The people making the Rules about how Absentee Ballots works, how the Votes get collected, how the Vote gets verified and how the Vote could get Audited (lol) are also crooked.
    Because it looks by design that their Rules are easy to take advantage of for fraudulent voting…
    
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    July 16, 2023 9:09am
    - NothingLeft
      
      I think worst feature is the politically appointed judiciary of USA that prevent auditing, when aggressive auditing of all parts of process should be standard.
      
      The greatest recent weakness appears to have been voter role manipulation and exploitation – adding and deleting non-voters who some sleuths trached to living at non-existent addresses, or with 10’s of people living at same house, and in many cases added just pre and then removed just post election to hide tracks, combined with effectively anonymous voting via mail in ballots.
      
      Was at least one case where criminally collected large numbers of harvested mail in ballots were found in california, but also another case in east coast where a delivery truck full of unused ballots went missing in what appeared to be a steal-to-order incident. Other confessions from people who were paid to collect mail in ballots from post for vote fraud. These activities would clearly not occur without a major customer.
      
      On the day paper ballots would be a fix. Basically reset voting day procedures to late 20th century standards.
      
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      July 16, 2023 9:51am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Small truckloads of ballot box votes in Conservative areas were not counted, they were taken elsewhere with some even burned.
        
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        July 16, 2023 11:26am
  - Master Mariner
    
    An interview between Tucker and Nikki Haley and her conclusion is to have only paper ballots for voter crediability.
    Couldnt agree more.
    She was also asked about the bombing Nordstream and Americas involvment , However her reply was less than satisfactory.
    
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    July 16, 2023 12:08pm
    - mawm
      
      She’s a snake. Tries to say the right thing but actually does differently.
      
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      July 16, 2023 7:09pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  I like Tucker, not as much as many others but he stands up for some things I think are worth standing up for.
  
  But I have zero sympathy for him, in the same way I had zero sympathy for Tova when she failed to read or understand the contract she willingly entered into. It had a Restraint of Trade clause preventing her from starting work for the short-lived and ill-fated Today FM (I guess Tova really was a silver bullet, just not the way she thought).
  
  Carlson willingly signed a contract with Fox News that has a clause stating that he’s not allowed to appear in any other media outlet until 2025. He signed the contract, he should stick to it. If he thinks he has a case to break it, he should do so using the proper legal channels.
  
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  July 16, 2023 3:16pm
Warren

Please can anyone say what our Prime Minister Chris Hipkins has achieved in his short term in Parliament and even in his talks around the world with other leaders all he will be remembered for is his cheesy smile and looking like he has just won a lollipop for his days work.
New Zealand’s should be worried because in their vote for a Labour Government they could unleash a Government that will make laws that are for there purpose not yours .
A vote for the Maori and Green Parties is a vote that will devide New Zealander’s and serve only one outcome, that being a loss of some of our best to other countries around the world because the Tax Poicies that will be put in place , these Parties are toxic to New Zealand and we will be poorer for it if the are elected as our next Government.
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July 16, 2023 8:05am
- Scott
  
  Kate Hawkesby in the previous post along with our host DPF take some well earned shots at the government as the most incompetent ever, or at least certainly since the 70s.
  
  My reply would be – what is the criteria for assessing this government? Yes the liberal managerial class would say they are incompetent. But I would suggest they have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams in what they wanted to do.
  
  They have demonstrated they can shut down the country given sufficient emergency and totally control the economy. This is socialism.
  They can make people second-class citizens for refusing to take a vaccine. And most people will go along with it.
  
  They have done what every socialist government wants to do and marginalise the church. They have even brought in legislation determining what a person can pray or not pray with another person in the form of the conversion therapy bill.
  
  They have made people like Shaneel Lal entirely respectable, a columnist in the New Zealand Herald and with one word able to tell major corporations that they cannot provide essential services to people who disagree with his views.
  
  They have centralised the polytechnic and the health system.
  
  They have brought in co-governance at the level of the health system and the administration of the water.
  
  They have brought in one of the most liberal abortion regimes in the world. Abortion is now on demand at any time. It is not even covered in the crimes act anymore.
  
  They have demonstrated that they can totally control the media and announce themselves as the single source of truth.
  
  So I would say that this government has succeeded in their goals. Now it is up to the voters to decide – do we really want to live in the Socialist People’s Republic of Aotearoa?
  
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  July 16, 2023 8:30am
  - artemisia
    
    Ms Ardern did say her government would be transformational. Success!
    
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    July 16, 2023 9:38am
  - gravedodger
    
    Yes but what have the Nomans (Romans for Clease) done for us?
    
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    July 16, 2023 9:52am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Great point – they’ve actually shown considerable skill in concealing and then pushing through unmandated policies – in particular, all the He Puapua stuff, including 3/5/x Waters.
    
    But where you go astray is in the name “socialist”. This is not a socialist government in any conventional sense, as shown by Hipkins’ refusal to entertain a CGT or a wealth tax on his watch. This government has no interest in the white working class . This is a cultural Marxist government, and its core ideologies are Critical Race Theory and radical gender ideology.
    
    BTW, not all of our present plight can be blamed on the Ardern-Hipkins government. The Key government got into bed with Te Paati Maaori, signed us up to UNDRIP, and brought radical gender ideology into our schools in the form of “Mates n Dates”.
    
    Don’t misunderstand me – I know the lesser of two evils when I see it. But we all need to pressure our local Nats candidates to undo the damage done in the last 14-15 years. For example, the absurd decree that Maatauranga Maaori is “co-equal” to so-called “Western” science needs to be thoroughly defenestrated. Left to his own devices, Luxon will do as little as possible – remember he’s from the woke corporate world.
    
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    July 16, 2023 10:13am
    - leoj
      
      That’s not all. Luxon is against having a referendum on the true meaning of the articles of the treaty.
      
      Luxon has no issue with He Puapua and that one reason is sufficient to look elsewhere in October.
      
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      July 16, 2023 1:36pm
      - peterwn
        
        ‘look elsewhere’ means effectivelt supporting Labour/ Green / TPM.
        
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        July 16, 2023 9:02pm
    - Scooter
      
      Excellent points Pope, welcome if you are new, looking forward to more of your points of view.
      
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      July 16, 2023 10:07pm
Tony Stuart

You probably won’t read about it in the media, but Chris Luxon went to Labour heartland yesterday. Speaking in Manurewa, a seat held by Labour’s Arena Williams with a majority north of 17,000, he drew an enthusiastic crowd of 700 for his biggest Back on Track meeting to date.

https://twitter.com/TonyStuart55/status/1680296339215880192

It wasn’t the crowd his critics normally lampoon either, the superannuitant set. This was a younger, and noticeably more multicultural crowd, as can be seen in the picture. He may not have the media on his side, but people are turning up to meetings three months out from the election in the kind of numbers we haven’t seen for a long time. That says to me that there is widespread discontent about the current government, and there’s a definite mood for change in the air.
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July 16, 2023 8:12am
- Nickc2
  
  Crime, cost of living, and Govt non-achievement are issues that affect everyone, regardless of postcode.
  
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  July 16, 2023 8:21am
- NK
  
  As long as it Act’s “real change” I’ll be pleased. Ruth Richardson and Don Brash tried to deliver “real change” as National Party MPs and both were discarded. I’ve followed politics since 1995 and have no confidence Luxon, Willis, et al will deliver the sort of *transformational* change this country requires.
  
  I would love to eventually be proved wrong.
  
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  July 16, 2023 8:42am
  - softail 1450
    
    NK, You could safely bet your house you won’t be wrong.
    
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    July 16, 2023 8:47am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Well, they are saying more than any other leader s in my time, and I voted first in 81.
    
    The two leaders you mention were booted after losing elections, I felt sorry for Brash, he probably deserved to win in 05 but he did stay for sometime before Key rolled him
    
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    July 16, 2023 11:25am
- KH
  
  I quite like Luxon. Despite the media liking to give him a kick, he is coming up to speed quickly.
  
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  July 16, 2023 8:57am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    This Back on Track tour is the best thing Luxon could have done. He’s getting out and meeting people, often staying long after meetings end to talk one-to-one with people. And people like that he gives them his full attention. In person, he is very impressive.
    
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    July 16, 2023 9:23am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      I note your usual Twitter detractors seem to be trying a different attack line to normal today – I think the Manurewa photo has actually spooked them a bit
      
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      July 16, 2023 9:25am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Some meetings like in NP they have had a second sitting because of sheer numbers
      
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      July 16, 2023 11:26am
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        Dunedin Giant – Second sitting in NP. Please jog my memory – who the traitors of Taranaki voted last time??
        
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        July 16, 2023 1:26pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      All advertisements and electioneering should be banned on social media.
      Feet on the ground and visiting town halls too meet the general public should be what it is all about.
      Kudos to Semour and Luxon for doing this.
      Labour and Greens are purely social media mouth pieces.
      
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      July 16, 2023 12:18pm
    - NK
      
      He might be “very impressive” but you guys also thought Todd Muller was the “real deal”.
      
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      July 16, 2023 12:24pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        I didn’t. Todd Muller was supported by Act’s PR man Matthew Hooton. That says much about those close to the centre of Act.
        
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        July 16, 2023 12:42pm
      - gravedodger
        
        I know a number of National people from grassroots up to higher levels and the support for Muller outside the beltway was not great, NK.Just remind us where are Nikki Kaye, Amy Adams, and other chooks who are now separated from their heads who lurched into farce.
        
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        July 16, 2023 1:22pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    KH – I still cannot stop laughing after reading your comments about Luxon. He is the most useless National Leader (may be after Todd Muller). Utter waste of time and space. I am waiting Nice Nicola to roll him over after the October election defeat.
    
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    July 16, 2023 1:25pm
  - Paulus
    
    Luxon still appears entirely professional – which is what is needed.
    
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    July 16, 2023 1:43pm
- rouppe
  
  A lot of Indians in that crowd. Representative of the small business owners who no longer feel safe.
  
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  July 16, 2023 9:06am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    And very representative of the demographics of the community from Papatoetoe south. Interestingly, Labour used to believe they had a mortgage on immigrant communities, but that has changed markedly in the last few years.
    
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    July 16, 2023 9:25am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    rouppe bro – Never trust the Indians. They always vote Labour like the Maoris.
    
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    July 16, 2023 1:23pm
- Souvlaki
  
  Tony, …if the Nats were really savvy,they would distribute to every registered voter in South Auckland ( ?churches too) copies of both Hooton’s article on Friday ( replete with all of the 16 comments allowed!) together with Janet Wilsons of Stuff yesterday !
  These highlight Labours abject cynicism towards their ‘rusted on’ unthinking supporters in these electorates.
  
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  July 16, 2023 9:57am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Tony bro – I appreciate your loyalty to National party. But that photo shows a crowd of about 300-350 max. Not sure where you got the 700 from. Also Manurewa is Labour fort. Even a donkey with a red scarf around its neck will win with a margin of 10,000 votes. You guys are wasting time. I am dead certain it will be the toxic trio of Labour-Green-TPM that will emerge victorious on election night with 64 MPs to NAT-ACTs 56. National 40 ACT 16. Sorry this is hard to swallow, but truth always is.
  
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  July 16, 2023 1:21pm
- leoj
  
  You are correct about the mood for change.
  
  But National hasn’t balls to undo all the crap heaped upon us.
  
  He is a sap and people know it. That is why the namby-pamby party cannot break through 36%.
  
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  July 16, 2023 1:40pm
Matt Long

Tony Robbins talks Child Trafficking and The Sound of Freedom with the leading protagonist.
What I had not realised is the sickos also traffic children for body parts, the video says a baby’s heart is worth a quarter of a million dollars.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m_KrodgVkfs&feature=share
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July 16, 2023 8:19am
- Nickc2
  
  a baby’s heart is worth a quarter of a million dollars
  Is that as a delicacy or a spare part?
  
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  July 16, 2023 8:28am
- emmess
  
  Why is it not playing in New Zealand, when it is doing better than Indiana Jones 5 in the US, despite showing in less theatres?
  
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  July 16, 2023 8:43am
  - Beth
    
    Because we are not meant to know the truth.
    
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    July 16, 2023 9:42am
    - Ghost
      
      No, its makers have only got a USA and Canada release at the moment.
      
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      July 16, 2023 9:56am
      - emmess
        
        Interesting, I didn’t think that happened anymore.
        Since soon after movie piracy became a problem.
        
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        July 16, 2023 10:16am
      - Ghost
        
        It’s a small company that owns its rights, they mainly focus on streaming, and crowdfund their productions.
        
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        July 16, 2023 10:22am
  - Hollyfield
    
    Hopefully it will come here – it’s not from a major studio so they might not have the international distribution planned months/years in advance like Disney would have. I’ve read that international release is due in the second half of this year, and considering how well it’s doing in the US they are bound to distribute it more widely.
    
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    July 16, 2023 9:45am
  - Local Miller
    
    It’s not been released internationally yet. It’s in the USA and some other countries, but not everywhere. It should be released here soon.
    
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    July 16, 2023 9:45am
- Master Mariner
  
  In addition is the normalisation of pedoplie.?
  Drag queens in schools is just one.
  NZer of year. One thing leads to another.
  The slow creep continues.
  
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  July 16, 2023 12:23pm
Matt Long

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/493757/te-whatu-ora-apologises-for-false-claims-over-cancer-wait-lists
More lies from The Whatu Ora, who would have guessed.
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July 16, 2023 8:23am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Sorry Matt I inadvertently reported this post, finger trouble. I was going to say that any data coming out of a government source under this outgoing Labour government should be viewed as suspicious. There are just too many examples of mis-reporting to be anything other than a deliberate policy of gaslighting.
  
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  July 16, 2023 9:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    every bit of data*
    
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    July 16, 2023 11:55am
- Paulus
  
  Getting wrong information is all part of Labour’s election strategy – you will not know what is truthful and what is not – called obfuscation or bullshit.
  Confusion works but not this time.
  
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  July 16, 2023 1:47pm
slightlyrighty

Why, when our National Financial situation is at it’s most precarious it has been in decades, are we in New Zealand spending 19 million to help wetlands in Asia and a further 16 Million on ecological projects in Indonesia?

Surely this could be better spent in say, paying the salaries of 400 Nurses and teachers?

What could a competent government do?
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July 16, 2023 8:24am
- Dougal10
  
  We already give millions to indonesia for their waste product PKE /// why we are giving them extra cash baffles me too.
  
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  July 16, 2023 9:39am
Bridgenag

The Pandemic Started a Medical Gold Rush and Its Happening Now

https://hatchardreport.media/pdf-files/the-pandemic-started-a-medical-gold-rush-and-its-happening-now.pdf
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July 16, 2023 8:30am
Chuck Bird

Men’s tennis final.

Is Sky broadcasting the Men’s final at Wimbledon?

I cannot seem to find it.
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July 16, 2023 8:32am
- Peter Lane
  
  On Sky Sports 2. Coverage starts 12.30am tomorrow morning.
  
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  July 16, 2023 8:42am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Thanks very much Peter.
    
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    July 16, 2023 8:47am
Matt Long

An amazing program in America that identifies at risk of violence children and reduces hospitalisations by a third.
Even more amazing, this program was developed by New Zealanders and rejected in this country by AnneTolley, former failed Education Minister in Key’s government and now unpopular Tauranga cycleway commissioner.
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/eric-crampton-the-stakes-are-too-high-for-this-much-stupidity?postId=c329e4cc-5071-4c34-a9fd-24a89a94cc2d&cid=db970c6d-6f12-48e2-a04d-5c512f666dee
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July 16, 2023 8:32am
- softail 1450
  
  Matt Long ,Good grief Anne Tolley, you could make a list of 200 ex politicians from both sides of the aisle and randomly pick out 50 of them and I’ll guarantee whilst reading through that list of 50 not one will have you remembering any great successes they achieved, the pond we choose politicians from is as deep as a carpark pothole.
  
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  July 16, 2023 8:54am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She was put there by Mahuta, they will get their vote to stabilise their council late this year I thought.
  
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  July 16, 2023 11:30am
  - Steve Todd
    
    The next election in Tauranga is scheduled for July 2024. See https://www.tauranga.govt.nz/council/about-your-council/elections/representation-review.
    
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    July 16, 2023 1:15pm
- Paulus
  
  Tolley is a great disappointment and is fregularly confronted with facts to her Mahuta appointed rubbish and typical Labour spend spend it is on ratepayers money.
  Tauranga is in the biggest mess and uproar that could ever have been imagined under her leadership.
  What a sad empty broken down city.
  
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  July 16, 2023 1:56pm
Benedict Yu

It is starting to make sense..

You may recall that Chris Hipkins’ mother works for the New Zealand Council of Educational Research. She was one of the architects of the new science curriculum, now being ridiculed.

This document explains the priorities of the Council.

https://www.nzcer.org.nz/about-nzcer/corporate-documents

There is nothing about lifting education achievement.

The first priority is to “decolonise education”.

The second priority is to “uphold Mana Maori”….

and so it goes on.

This outfit has 50 staff!! and receives a substantial government grant.
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July 16, 2023 8:33am
- Nickc2
  
  Yes, Chris Hipkins appears to be his mother’s ventriloquist dummy!
  
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  July 16, 2023 8:41am
  - pdm
    
    Nick – I guess he would have been unanimously elected/selected as – The Dummy!!!
    
    Seems a natural for the role.
    
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    July 16, 2023 9:08am
    - kevn
      
      hipkins fake smile matches as well.
      
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      July 16, 2023 9:58am
  - Ruahine
    
    Spot on Nickc2.
    
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    July 16, 2023 9:23am
- Matt Long
  
  Yes, this government isn’t failing, they’re achieving their goals. A brave new world is on the horizon.
  
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  July 16, 2023 9:05am
  - hullkiwi
    
    What of the dumb down and equally uneducated. A real brave new world. Keep on this path, and New Zealand will rank along side the other under developed nations of the South West Pacific.
    
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    July 16, 2023 12:52pm
- rouppe
  
  You know, if we take “decolonised education” to it’s conclusion, we end up with Gloriavale.
  
  Women taught to cook and weave flax, start making babies at 15. Men taught to fish and fight.
  
  That’s it. Anything else came from colonisation
  
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  July 16, 2023 9:14am
  - Cassandra
    
    Read the much lauded Kawhia (and ask why?) for life before the treaty, Hobbes’ “ugly, brutish and short” written for teenagers (and lefties).
    
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    July 16, 2023 10:31am
  - Swifty
    
    It’s my greatest fear with this ‘decolonisation’ extremism; that we throw the baby out with the bathwater.
    
    That student achievement will continue to decline, perhaps even quicken as a result of this decolonisation experiment, but that won’t matter – all that matters will be the degree to which we attain ideological purity.
    
    The wrecking and dashing of the hopes of hundreds of thousands of kids and their parents, in perpetuity, will be acceptable collateral damage. This is exactly what we’ve seen with our current education system; a state monopoly, a massive bureaucracy, in total control, presiding over a system of vested interests where student achievement slides year after year, decade after decade, and the left continues to insist that all is well and that our system is world class – that the only thing they’re lacking is even more and more money.
    
    As an aside, I just cannot understand the thinking behind that priority list, where there is no priority about our students being among the world’s highest achievers. If I was the Minister of Education and that group came to me for funding, and with those priorities,I’d give them a large slice of my mind and march them right out of the office.
    
    That group is not the solution – they are the problem!
    
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    July 16, 2023 10:45am
- Gravelroad
  
  Just a shame that the 50 staff and substantial government grant aren’t being used on something useful – such as more in-class practical support for the actual teachers.
  And the kids.
  
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  July 16, 2023 9:16am
  - Swifty
    
    Or filling in potholes – much more productive.
    
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    July 16, 2023 10:55am
  - Matt Long
    
    50 staff on $200k, that’s 10 million a year the new government can save on day one.
    Add in cost of an industrial shredder to look after their work, it’s still near enough to 10 million in savings.
    
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    July 16, 2023 11:28am
Ruahine

You will not find a link to this in any of the State Funded Media.
https://www.debtclock.nz/
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July 16, 2023 8:38am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Read and sign the petition please.
  
  Each family’s portion of the debt is $77,000. Since many families are not net tax payers the portion of debt is much higher.
  
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  July 16, 2023 9:00am
Chuck Bird

This is outrageous. If men want to wear dresses that is okay. However, if they want to invade woman’s spaces that is not okay. If they want to compete with real women in sports that is not okay. Giving children puberty blockers is not okay.

Shaneel Lal: Spark, One NZ, 2degrees band together to cancel anti-trans trolls

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/shaneel-lal-spark-one-nz-2degrees-band-together-to-cancel-anti-trans-trolls/SDEV3CLT6VCFTJYKCC7GB52LWI/
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July 16, 2023 8:54am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Shaneel Lal is clearly unaware they Kellie Jay Keen is returning in October. Otherwise he would be publicly melting down.
  
  BTW Kellie Jay Keen alleged in a recent vlog that the person facing charges for assaulting her at Albert Park has recently emailed her naked, explicit photos of himself.
  
  If this is true, could it be taken into account in the sentencing, should the accused be found guilty?
  
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  July 16, 2023 9:05am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Does he still have a dick?
    
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    July 16, 2023 9:14am
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      I believe so.
      
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      July 16, 2023 9:31am
  - rouppe
    
    KJK needs to make sure none of those photos send up in the public arena or that’ll be a “distributing intimate visual recordings” matter that WILL be taken into account at sentencing.
    
    She could approach the prosecutor to see if they want them but since its unrelated to the assault they probably don’t.
    
    Wonder if KJK will appear as a witness?
    
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    July 16, 2023 9:18am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Lal and his/her/their crew are classic attention seekers.
      Starve them of their craving for attention by ignoring publicity stunts such as sending pornographic material to people they don’t like.
      Forget about Lal.
      
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      July 16, 2023 9:41am
      - Swifty
        
        Let’s not concede the field however Gravel.
        
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        July 16, 2023 10:30am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      AFAIK she is coming to New Zealand solely for the purpose of appearing as a witness.
      
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      July 16, 2023 10:40am
      - thirteenstars
        
        Good. Harder to deny a visa then, which is a real concern if they claim she’s only coming here to hold a rally (which she is) which will attract violent reactions from the trans activists (which it will).
        
        This is a much needed action on her part and I praise her for it. It will shine a bright light on the disgrace that happened at Albert Park in March. The police will have nowhere to hide. They will have to do their duty or it will be confirmed what many already suspect, that they were complicit through dereliction of duty and tolerant of the violence perpetrated by the mob.
        
        And NZ men need to stand up, be there in numbers and show staunch support, and if necessary protect the right of women (and all of us) to have their say without fear of violence.
        
        October? I think she said in her podcast it was September.
        
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        July 16, 2023 11:08am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I’m guessing he doesn’t read kiwiblog so he probably won’t find out KJK is coming until she arrives
    
    I understand the visit is dependent on her being able to finance 24/7 security. Of course the irony is that the New Zealand riot boosted her support globally. And probably her donations.
    
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    July 16, 2023 12:51pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Returning in October? Well-timed for the election!
    
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    July 16, 2023 2:34pm
- graham
  
  Sorry Chuck Bird, I refuse to read anything by Shaneel Lal – it’s easier on my blood pressure.
  
  But, out in the real world – a world I suspect Lal has become somewhat estranged from – sensible decisions are being made. The world cycling governing body has said that “female” transgender athletes who transitioned after male puberty will no longer be able to compete in women’s races – joining the governing bodies in track and field and swimming who are trying to maintain the simple concept of fairness in women’s events.
  
  They have stated that they fully respect and support the right of individuals to choose the sex that corresponds to their gender identity – but that they have a duty to guarantee, above all, equal opportunities for all competitors in cycling competitions.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/world-cyclings-governing-body-bans-female-transgender-athletes-from-womens-events/PB36PRDNZBBLBMG4NCXU2LHFGE/
  
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  July 16, 2023 9:52am
- Surely Knott
  
  Uk courts have upheld that a view that biological sex is immutable is a protected viewpoint.
  
  Shaneel’s article promoted by the herald is illegal, and they have published a defamatory slur of females who are defending sex based rights which are guaranteed in the NZ human rights act.
  
  Their false information promotes bigotry and violence towards women and a false belief that it is ok to discriminate against people with these beliefs in the workplace when it is not.
  
  Women are adult human females is both biological reality and protected by law. Neither your employer nor businesses can discriminate against you for that belief.
  
  The herald must apologise , give a written warning to Lal, and publish correct information that it is a protected belief.
  
  https://amp.theguardian.com/law/2021/jun/10/gender-critical-views-protected-belief-appeal-tribunal-rules-maya-forstater
  
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  July 16, 2023 9:55am
  - Ghost
    
    How is Lal’s article illegal? Let’s not go down the path of screaming illegal because we don’t accept someone else’s view.
    
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    July 16, 2023 9:59am
    - Surely Knott
      
      I’ve provided the link to the article re the court ruling. The viewpoint is protected in uk law. And sex is protected in the NZ human rights act.
      
      For clarification I am not a Terf as per shaneels article. That is a slur. Terf says we are radical and exclusionary. TERFs do not exclude Transpeople from workplaces or service. They want the sex based rights upheld which are already in law.
      
      It is Lal that is a Sex Science and Biology Denying Radical .
      
      His regular opinion piece allows him to be judge jury and the only one with the microphone in the issue of Female Women’s sex based rights.
      
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      July 16, 2023 10:23am
      - Ghost
        
        Yes you provided a link to an article in the uk about a ruling in the uk. That is the UK, not New Zealand, their legal rulings do not stand in New Zealand. The article is not illegal
        
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        July 16, 2023 10:27am
      - Surely Knott
        
        Yes Ghost. It is illegal. It is illegal to call for people who are calling for women’s sex based rights to be banned from service or to refuse them a job .
        
        Human Rights Act: Protected Characteristics
        
        “your age, colour, race, SEX , sexual orientation, ethnicity or country of origin. having any kind of disability, impairment or illness. your POLITICAL OPINIONS. your employment status.:
        
        Human Rights Act: unlawful to discriminate someone on these grounds in the following areas of public life:
        
        employment, education, access to public places . PROVISION OF GOODS AND SERVICES, housing and accommodation
        
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        July 16, 2023 10:37am
      - Ghost
        
        There is nothing in that article that is illegal, as much as you might want to claim there is, there isn’t. If you don’t like their view then challenge it, but don’t go down the path of claiming it’s illegal to shut down views that you don’t agree with.
        
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        July 16, 2023 10:49am
      - Surely Knott
        
        Yes. What is illegal is that Lal called for reefs to be banned by service providers in his original tweets that the Resulted in people leaving the providers. It was Lal who called for terfs to be banned.
        
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        July 16, 2023 12:30pm
      - Ghost
        
        Lal can call for anything she wants, no one was banned. And what lal asked was for terfs to not be allowed on threads, not to be denied service with spark, etc. Lal and spark have no control over threads.
        
        There was nothing illegal in the article, and nothing illegal in her thread. If you don’t like what is said challenge it, but don’t go down the path of claiming it is illegal or you want it banned because you don’t support what is said because then you are as bad as Lal.
        
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        July 16, 2023 12:37pm
    - Surely Knott
      
      https://www.clarkewillmott.com/news/gender-critical-beliefs-are-protected-in-the-workplace/
      
      More details on the court cases for you.
      
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      July 16, 2023 10:27am
      - Ghost
        
        Again this is New Zealand, nothing in lal’s article is illegal.
        
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        July 16, 2023 10:30am
      - Cassandra
        
        Ghost is not quite right. NZ follows UK legal precedent to a degree. But UK common law does not always apply in NZ.
        
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        July 16, 2023 10:34am
  - Taieri
    
    Uk courts have upheld that a view that biological sex is immutable is a protected viewpoint.
    ———-
    
    It is not just a protected viewpoint. It is an undisputable fact.
    
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    July 16, 2023 11:34am
- Hollyfield
  
  I have seen the long document that Spark sent to employees about how to handle and defuse any complaints. Basically smoothing the waters.
  
  I wonder what Spark thinks of Shaneel Lal stirring the pot with an opinion piece in the Herald?
  
  I have chosen a new provider, just have a few things to tidy up before I can actually switch. Shaneel Lal has today reminded me I need to finish this off.
  
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  July 16, 2023 9:57am
- mogg
  
  Anheuser Busch, Disney, Starbucks, might have very different opinions on the effectiveness of ‘screaming
  persistence’. There are some very swift u-turns taking place in US.
  
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  July 16, 2023 11:02am
- Piniwi
  
  Genuine Question. Is there a cell service provider apart those wokesters?
  
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  July 16, 2023 11:19am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    No
    
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    July 16, 2023 11:27am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    All you can do is find a non woke reseller – a virtual network operator. They sell under their own name and have a wholesale agreement with one of the 3 network providers to carry the calls etc…
    
    All that does is shift the cream of the profit away from the Retail Mobile operations of the big 3 (if you are talking about a personal mobile)
    
    My still be worth doing. Enough people move to a Warehouse Mobile etc and the profit drop for the big carriers would be noticed.
    
    Better yet move your broadband and tell the Big 3 why you left. The core service is provided by Chorus, EA, Enable or another LFC for fibre and a lot of the ADSL broadband goes over the regulated copper provided by Chorus … that removes the revenue and profit lines from Spark, One or 2Degrees.
    
    I think that is a more meaningful way to hurt them
    
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    July 16, 2023 11:44am
    - Ghost
      
      Warehouse are a very woke company. Kia ora and welcome to the warehouse, rainbow accredited since 2019, pushing all the woke agendas
      
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      July 16, 2023 11:51am
    - Hollyfield
      
      I agree – even if they still get a cut it sends a message that they shouldn’t denigrate one sector of their customer base to appease another. They should provide the service of their core business regardless.
      
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      July 16, 2023 12:35pm
  - mogg
    
    Spark are the ones who chose to make this a big issue, I have left because of their choice to grandstand on Trans. I have not deleted their app so that I can enjoy ignoring their continued requests
    for monthly renewal. With global roaming the previous month I had paid them $110, this month it will be $0. I know that this will not even be noticed in their accounts, but it gives me satisfaction.
    Am I petty minded or what??
    
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    July 16, 2023 12:29pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      NO.
      
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      July 16, 2023 3:04pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I belive Mercury is. There are quit a few ISPs.
    
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    July 16, 2023 2:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Today’s generation are sooks. The problem is that safe spaces and trigger warnings didn’t exist 20 years ago.
You can make any place safe with a 45.

https://thepatrioticvoice.com/uniondailypost/are-safe-spaces-and-trigger-warnings-softening-the-next-generation/
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July 16, 2023 9:06am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Women are not sooks for not wanting men in their toilets and change rooms.
  
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  July 16, 2023 10:22am
  - Ghost
    
    No one has said they are, you’ve taken what Steve has posted and twisted it into something it is not about.
    
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    July 16, 2023 10:24am
Matt Long

FDR saved the US from the great depression with his New Deal is the narrative. The truth is more that through socialist policies he prolonged it.
https://fee.org/articles/why-fdr-banned-the-sale-of-sliced-bread-during-world-war-ii/
Hat tip The BFD
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July 16, 2023 9:08am
- rouppe
  
  Some of those decisions are astonishing!
  
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  July 16, 2023 9:24am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Sounds fair to me. Voters who hate Trump are much more likely to vote Democrat. How can a Jury be selected fairly with Jack Smith’s bullshit going on.
The left also know that if Trump wins 2024, he will have much more clout. His turn to go on witch hunts for Jack Smith, Alvin Bragg, the Bidens, and others who have crossed his path.

https://patriotbarbie.com/news/jack-smiths-team-responds-to-trumps-request-to-delay-trial-until-after-2024-election/
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July 16, 2023 9:28am
Mike H S

I know a lot of fellow KBers are not keen on the NZHerald, (you can put me in that category but I do pay a minimal subscription) but there is an excellent opinion piece by that sorely missed and competent politician Steven Joyce. He outlines the failings of Labour/left governments and how they follow their ideologies and fail in government. It is an excellent article that I recommend to all.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/steven-joyce-dead-rats-end-labours-tax-plan-but-not-the-economic-damage/Z6NIB5PDQBCL3PCIVJO6K4GBNM/
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July 16, 2023 9:31am
- wisteria
  
  Unless you copy and paste the article it is a waste of time filing it here.
  
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  July 16, 2023 9:54am
  - Mike H S
    
    Sadly, you are letting your beliefs mask your outlook. Sounds like you are keeping Labour company. I find it pays to keep a fairly open mind.
    
    Most of the articles are rubbish; I agree. However, there are some that are worth the read.
    
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    July 16, 2023 10:13am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Does the apply to DPF?
    
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    July 16, 2023 10:36am
- H. Upmann
  
  NZHerald has a number of very good Opinion writers – Joyce, Prebble, Bennett, Hosking just to name a few. I sucked the lemon and took out a paid subscription just for that reason and have no regrets. I can easily ignore the leftist, collectivist idiots but it is sometimes interesting and funny to read their angst, poor things.
  
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  July 16, 2023 10:06am
  - jon
    
    H.Upmann AGREE! Michael Bassett too should be allowed back in. Throw in Tremain with his brilliant cartoons as well, in place of the pathetic offerings from the current Herald cartoonist.
    
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    July 16, 2023 11:21am
- kevn
  
  I find Richard Prebble is also quite a good read.
  There is enough good content for $1 week on-line.
  
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  July 16, 2023 11:27am
  - Flossie
    
    How do you access that $1 a week online service?
    
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    July 16, 2023 12:04pm
Surely Knott

Nigel Latta complains there is no middle ground between “woke” and Jordan Peterson. And then goes on to make the only point of his argument which was an Ultra Woke racist statement about being a white male?!?! I’m on team JP. Nigel Latta is not the middle ground.
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July 16, 2023 9:34am
Beth

Curious. The agreement between the government and media, for the media to not report in a fair and balanced manner; for the media to ignore some sectors of NZ society or to report only in the most unflattering terms – should that agreement have run out, now the official election period has begun? If not, are the media guilty of influencing the vote?
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July 16, 2023 9:37am
- Inandout
  
  Beth, it is indeed fortunate that fewer people are watching or reading our MSM. The $55 million, like all Labour spends, has not had the desired effect. I also pay for a no ads You Tube so can dodge Labour’s obnoxious ads.
  
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  July 16, 2023 10:44am
ClanMcleod

Anyone who hasn’t heard of Agenda 2030 or the UN Sustainable Development Goals, or who has heard of them, but not sure of the details, check in to this Voices for Freedom zoom meeting tonight.

Tomorrow (16 July) night at 8pm, Jaspreet Boparai and Tane Webster will be hosting a webinar on the United Nation’s 17 Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs).

What are they and how are they affecting New Zealand?

https://us06web.zoom.us/webinar/register/1216893213889/WN_iy2elo5-SA6eUzNuozO7QQ#/registration

It will be very informative and you will know why these moves, driven by Ardern, are extremely dangerous for New Zealand and every other country on the planet.
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July 16, 2023 9:47am
ClanMcleod

Re the ‘climate change’ lunacy.

Nobel Physics Laureate 2022 Slams ‘Climate Emergency’ Narrative as “Dangerous Corruption of Science”

The co-winner of the 2022 Nobel Physics prize has launched an excoriating attack on the ‘climate emergency’ narrative, calling it a “dangerous corruption of science that threatens the world’s economy and the well-being of billions of people”. Dr. John Clauser notes that misguided climate science has “metastasised into massive shock-journalistic pseudoscience”.

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/07/14/nobel-physics-laureate-2022-slams-climate-emergency-narrative-as-dangerous-corruption-of-science/

Exactly the same happened during covid. A dangerous corruption of science, and in NZ it continues. Get your booster.
The people driving this should be jailed.
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July 16, 2023 9:53am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Meh, what would he know?
  Oh, wait.
  
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  July 16, 2023 11:12am
graham

Another day, another company trying to go all woke and “edgy”, only to discover to their horror that the silent majority is getting slightly frustrated with having this ideology pushed in their faces.

https://www.thestreet.com/retailers/maybelline-faces-bud-light-style-backlash-after-prime-day-video
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July 16, 2023 9:54am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/how-elite-maori-got-control-of-our-health-system/
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July 16, 2023 9:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Article by Dr Muriel Newman NZCPR is interesting. She calls out the Public Sector.
  
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  July 16, 2023 10:26am
Ghost

A post from last night. Why would you take a name that is so well known and replace it with a Māori name.I can see a lot of people getting confused when they are told to go to Awanui, actually I suspect a lot of doctors will ignore the name change and keep calling it medlab

https://www.medlabsouth.co.nz/2023/07/05/our-name-is-changing-introducing-awanui-labs/
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July 16, 2023 10:03am
- Inandout
  
  Ghost, my doctor used to quip when ordering my blood test that I am ‘off to see Dracula’.
  
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  July 16, 2023 10:46am
  - Jack5
    
    Follow the money …
    
    Check on Awanui/Medlab South’s ownership chain and you go first to Southern Community Laboratories; then to NZ Diagnostic Group; then to NZ Healthcare Investments, whose biggest shareholder is the NZ Superannuation Fund.
    
    One of the two directors of NZ Healthcare Investments is Hishaam Mirza, the Superanuation Fund’s manager – International Direct Investment.
    
    NZ Superannuation Fund is Woke. That’s where the Woke governor of the Reserve Bank, Adrian Orr, came from. He’s now better known for his Maorification of the Reserve Bank.
    
    (The other director of NZ Healthcare Investments is William James Wallace Goodwin, of Auckland, a very active director: the Companies Register lists him as current director of about 17 companies, and when former directorships are added the total list goes to 45.)
    
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    July 16, 2023 11:44am
Maggie Pie

I know ‘Matariki’ weekend is probably a solemn occassion for a lot of people, but when a bestie just re-tweeted this it did bring a smile to my face…..

https://twitter.com/notoaotearoa/status/1680021474135142400
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July 16, 2023 10:06am
- kevn
  
  Been to Edinburgh? Buildings there from the 1000’s. Still standing but added to over the hundreds of centuries.
  
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  July 16, 2023 11:31am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Cocaine Caper over? Whitehouse Coke probe concludes with no suspects.
Judge Jeanine Pirro explodes. Yeah, she is one of those who tells it like it is.

https://libertyonenews.com/judge-jeanine-pirro-explodes-over-white-house-cocaine-scandal/
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July 16, 2023 10:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Bidens were there on the Friday, not at Camp David.
  Karine Jean-Pierre lied. She is the Whitehouse Press Secretary ffs.
  
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  July 16, 2023 10:11am
Colville

After a great ABs game last night I awake to see Eddie had a bad night at the office yesterday…

Oh dear, how sad, never mind. 🙂

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/300928699/defiant-eddie-jones-maintains-misfiring-wallabies-can-win-rugby-world-cup
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July 16, 2023 10:18am
- alex Masterley
  
  Frizzel’s try was a stunner.
  
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  July 16, 2023 10:21am
  - Colville
    
    Both early trys set up from breaks by Jordan.
    Frizzel was a beast tho… looked like Jonah in rampage mode.
    
    That Tamiti Williams at 158Kg might be dangerous when he grows up and actually gets strong!! 🙂
    
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    July 16, 2023 10:36am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Frizzles game was one of the best from an all black loose forward for a very long time
    
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    July 16, 2023 11:34am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      The best since Jerome Kaino during the 2011 World Cup. If, like Kaino, he can find a level of consistency, the #6 jersey is his for a long time.
      
      And in Ethan de Groot and Tyrel Lomax, we have two of the best scrummaging props in the world. Lomax always looked to have the ability, but lacked self-belief. When Jason Ryan came in as forwards coach last season I reckon he told Lomax just how good he could be, and he’s starting to believe it. And whichever order you play Taylor and Taukei’aho, it doesn’t seem to matter.
      
      For Australia in Melbourne, I’d give Aaron Smith a week off, to freshen him up for his final home test in Dunedin. Start with Christie, then bring Roigard into the game. I’d also give Cane a week off, after he got another neck knock last night.
      
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      July 16, 2023 12:01pm
      - Colville
        
        Taylor is more accurate thrower than Samisoni..
        
        Yeah Cane needs the year off to recover. 🙂
        
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        July 16, 2023 12:16pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Dane Coles is more accurate than either
        
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        July 16, 2023 5:12pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  It was a good performance though a bit patchy from the AB’s.
  
  Boks played with out a competent controlling and tactical kicking 1st 5… why I dont know. The ABs starved them of possession after the early scsre and racked up a good margin to create scoreboard pressure – the Boks panicked during the second 20 but reset at half time
  
  Second half could have gone differently if that try had been given when Beaudie dropped the bomb in the ingoal.
  
  Some standout work by De Groot, Frizzel, Jordan and I thought Telea and Barret J were good as well
  
  Barret S and brodie played well and upset the Boks lineout a few times, but the scrum wasnt good from just before half time to end of play. We were under scrum pressure often
  
  Good win at home – Boks a different beast offshore and we have a lot to work on.
  
  oh and the Dmac versus Richie debate is settled on that performance by Mounga last night. He was extremely good.
  
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  July 16, 2023 11:52am
  - Colville
    
    I think we give up a bit at scrum time to have the mobility around the park.. but the Safers changed out 5 (?) players straight after the half break… util our replacement came on there was a bit of an imbalance… Williams won a scrum penalty first ever scrum in the Black jersy.
    
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    July 16, 2023 12:13pm
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Its the NZ way to pick mobile props… but it can let you down in a tight match. We need to be more solid there otherwise in a tight match in autumn conditions in France at the end of the year it may cost us a match in the knockout rounds….
      
      Looking at the age profile of our props we look to have a great group for the 27 RWC. Lomax, De Groot and Williams are all going to be in prime age or entering it at that time…
      
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      July 16, 2023 12:33pm
Maggie Pie

WHO ARE NEW ZEALAND’S POWER-COUPLES?

Now if you don’t have ‘Horrid Premium’ it doesn’t matter.

It’s the replies to the Tweet that are the best part 😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1680335038993268737
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July 16, 2023 10:24am
- Ghost
  
  Who are they?
  
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  July 16, 2023 10:28am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, this guy is the US power man.
  https://ijr.com/biden-roasted-child-finland-creepiest-moment-yet/
  
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  July 16, 2023 10:54am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    OMG! No wonder they all call him…. ‘pedo joe’ 🙁
    
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    July 16, 2023 11:09am
Swifty

Geoffrey Palmer thinks that (because of him and people exactly like him) because the Executive has become enormous we now need an enormous Parliament to balance it:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/the-house/audio/2018897936/geoffrey-palmer-strengthen-parliament-to-watch-government

He also disparages people who think differently from him, rubbishes those who voted for Brexit, spits on popular movements he doesn’t agree with and thinks we need greater controls on what people can read and say.

He summarises for me how much many of the left have just disappeared up their own arses. They are now ‘the elite’, born to rule, and are behaving exactly the same as those they claim to be against.
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July 16, 2023 10:24am
- Swifty
  
  Oh and he wants to make it illegal for New Zealanders to donate their own money to their party of choice in amounts they see fit.
  
  Why? Because he thinks it will hamper his political opponents.
  
  It’s corruption 101. Using the power of the state for political or personal advantage.
  
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  July 16, 2023 11:58am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Geoffrey Palmer is one of those who helped wreck NZ. It all started back in 1975, the Treaty of Waitangi – the rogue treaty.
  
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  July 16, 2023 12:15pm
  - H. Upmann
    
    I am sure it was Palmer who invented treaty principles too.
    
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    July 16, 2023 12:22pm
Bob

Palmer!.. the father of many of our economic and social problems today!
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July 16, 2023 10:42am
Ghost

Damn, what an explosion. Someone’s home security caught the Plaquemine Dow Chemical plant Explosion
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July 16, 2023 10:44am
- thirteenstars
  
  That’s exactly what a nuclear blast looks like.
  
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  July 16, 2023 11:44am
slightlyrighty

So Labour’s new Election slogan is “In It For You”

Surely this raises issues of consent?
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July 16, 2023 10:48am
- Swifty
  
  ‘In it for us and our collaborators’ more like it.
  
  Never in NZ’s history has more cold, hard taxpayer cash been directly placed into the hands of political supporters and would be supporters than by this Labour government.
  
  Just think about it for a minute. It’s true.
  
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  July 16, 2023 10:59am
  - PeeJay
    
    Sadly true unfortunately.
    
    Graft is a phrase that is often used to describe certain financial practices in developing countries where certain financial payments or the use of favouritism / cronyism is used to secure advantages or gains in politics or business.
    
    In six short years they’ve rapidly turned our health, education and justice system into a joke that would embarrass a developing world country.
    
    But no corruption in NZ though, most open and transparent government ever……
    
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    July 16, 2023 1:16pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not complete. “In It For Your Money”
  
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  July 16, 2023 12:25pm
- oldfella
  
  It’s a joke, innit? Innit for me, bro? Nah, Chippie, you lot are just innit for you!
  
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  July 16, 2023 12:41pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  That would be ‘In you for it’
  
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  July 16, 2023 5:15pm
- Scooter
  
  They didn’t think that through (surprise) the acronym is I I F U.
  
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  July 16, 2023 5:41pm
Maggie Pie

QUESTION FOR A SUNDAY MORNING.

Anybody else find it impossible to pull the aluminium ‘security-tab’ off the top of a 500ml bottle of Anchor Cream?
I always need to go get the pliers from the garage.
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July 16, 2023 11:06am
- Ghost
  
  Yeah, had that struggle last night
  
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  July 16, 2023 11:09am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, the last bottle of Pams cream had a twist off cap like Vegemite. Much easier than that tab which sometimes sticks like shit to a blanket.
  
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  July 16, 2023 11:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Change brand. The cream comes from the same cows.
  
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  July 16, 2023 12:27pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Which brings me to this: Raw Milk.
    How long before the interfering Labour govt pass a law to stop this?
    
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    July 16, 2023 12:29pm
- Colville
  
  Stab it with a knife and then rip it off…
  
  Up here for thinking…!!
  
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  July 16, 2023 12:41pm
- Biscuit
  
  Ditto, MP.
  
  And what really gets my nips in a state of twistedness is that I have still yet, not matter how carefully I try, to open a pottle of yoghurt with the cover coming off in one neat piece!
  
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  July 16, 2023 1:14pm
  - Flossie
    
    I feel your pain Biscuit. Been there many a time.
    
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    July 16, 2023 1:23pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Bluff oyster pottles are hard to open.
    
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    July 16, 2023 1:40pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Not when you find the little part of the rim that is semi-detached and you can get your finger under it.
      
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      July 16, 2023 2:10pm
    - gravedodger
      
      So are the Oysters until you master the art of getting the Knife into the Hinge.
      My missus had a NZRail Blacksmith in her Family and we inherited a hand crafted oyster knife, special it was.
      Can’t just get a sack on the rail from Bluff any more, “They were the days”
      
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      July 16, 2023 2:16pm
Ghost

Ewwwww, what exactly are you in for me. Is this from the same people that gave hipkins “spread your legs”?

Labour’s 2023 election slogan is ‘In it for you’, the party’s leader Chris Hipkins announced on Sunday.

“While I’ve only been in the job six months, I hope New Zealanders know I’m in it for them and I understand the challenges they’re facing,” Hipkins said.

Article
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July 16, 2023 11:19am
- Gravelroad
  
  Yep, we are “in it” all right.
  In it up to our necks.
  In the S..t.
  Not exactly the most inspiring of slogans, but if it works for them, that will be all that matters.
  Let’s do this?
  
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  July 16, 2023 11:31am
  - PeeJay
    
    Well they have form. They most certainly did do this………increased crime, increased poverty, increased debt, increased waiting lists, decreased quality of our roads, devastated our education system, destroyed the country in six short years……yep….they certainly did all that.
    
    Just hope we enough people have woken up by now to consign this “in it for you” slogan to the dustbin along with Labour!
    
    I’ve got an alternative everyone should use. Vote Labour? Yeah…..nah!
    
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    July 16, 2023 1:02pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      What about ‘let’s undo this.’
      
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      July 16, 2023 2:11pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The people have had challenges ever since these muppets got in
  
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  July 16, 2023 11:36am
- JackRabbit
  
  I’m in it for them and I understand the challenges they’re facing.
  
  “Yep, yep, I’m dropping all mandates, opening up the books, dumping all vaccines, taking over town halls in every city to hear vaccine death and injuries testimony. Yep, yep, that’s what it is alright.
  
  Oh look, there’s a squirrel.”
  
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  July 16, 2023 11:45am
- Warren
  
  Labour and the Prime Minister using riddles now that can be taken both ways,
  as ‘in it for you’ could also mean what Stuart Nash did for his donor’s, so is this a tick for corruption also.
  
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  July 16, 2023 11:56am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Lol! Doesn’t look like they even thought it up for themselves either!
  Wonder if the Canadian NDP have copy write????
  
  https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/ndp-launch-in-it-for-you-slogan-for-federal-election-campaign-1.4575187?cache=%2F7.434876
  
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  July 16, 2023 4:08pm
- Scooter
  
  Maybe a reporter can ask Chippy define what it is?
  
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  July 16, 2023 5:46pm
wilderbeast

Labour’s election slogan “In it for you”. I laughed out loud, if there’s ever been a bunch of self-seeking narcissists in power it’s them. Tui should run a “yeah right” campaign on this. Not only has this government never engaged with my needs, even if they did they’d hate me for them. Just stay out of our lives Labour.
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July 16, 2023 11:20am
- nathie
  
  Labour:
  
  “In it for you – Ram Raiders and Youth Offenders”!
  
  “In it for you – Gangs and Mongrel Mobsters”!
  
  “In it for you – Robbo’s Printing Press and Interest Rate Hikes”!
  
  But Not In It For You – Everyday Hard Working Kiwis”!
  
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  July 16, 2023 11:43am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    This meme sums it up nicely…
    
    https://twitter.com/camrynpetebrown/status/1680355594933506050
    
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    July 16, 2023 12:02pm
    - wilderbeast
      
      😂
      
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      July 16, 2023 1:41pm
Tasman devil

Hmmm, “In it for you.”

Initially I thought the boy from the Hutt was saying he was supporting the Inuit people from Alaska.

Pity, he could waffle on about Eskimo pies.
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July 16, 2023 11:33am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  When we were in Alaska at a cultural show at the museum, the Native Alaskans prefer the name Athabaskan.
  
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  July 16, 2023 12:39pm
Maggie Pie

Anyone else find you do tend to give a lot more at Mass these days since they introduced Push-Pay? And you need to be sooo careful when you enter the amount. Wasn’t till I checked my transactions online a few weeks ago that I found I’d entered 500 instead of 50. Trying to get it reversed was impossible!
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July 16, 2023 11:42am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, perhaps After Pay would seem more appropriate in a House of God. He will provide, and all of that.
  
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  July 16, 2023 11:52am
- Littletramp
  
  I’ve been looking for an example of a “humblebrag” because I quite like the term in this virtue signalling age. Would this be a good one?
  
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  July 16, 2023 12:40pm
- Biscuit
  
  Maggie, when you come round to collection tme at the House of Biscuit, please note that if you donate 500 I would SPEEDILY reimburse you 450 of that…
  
  Less a small, token three-figured ‘handling fee’, of course!
  
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  July 16, 2023 1:11pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  That’s the next quarter taken care of, then.
  
  But Maggie – I’d have thought that a regular Mass goer like you would already have a direct debit in place.
  
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  July 16, 2023 5:25pm
Bill Felt

“In it for you”
Mahuta Corp – in it for you?
Willie Jackson – in it for you?
Kiri Allen – in it for you?
Peeni Henare – in it for you?
Michael Wood – in it for you?
NOT!
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July 16, 2023 11:54am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Their collective slogan is “What’s in it for me?”
  
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  July 16, 2023 12:10pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I think somebody cut it off short.
  It’s meant to have “r money” at the end.
  
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  July 16, 2023 12:40pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You forgot local cowboy Rawiri Waititi.
  
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  July 16, 2023 12:43pm
  - Flossie
    
    Umm agree with your sentiment Steve – but he’s not Labour.
    
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    July 16, 2023 1:26pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yes.
      
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      July 16, 2023 1:41pm
- Piniwi
  
  Yeah Bill but it seems the message has gone out to all Labour MP’s as Wood popped up with a cartoon about the nonense holiday. Also Mc Nulty was in the commentary box at a Bush Rugby match getting ready for new horizons.
  
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  July 16, 2023 1:31pm
SmokerGuy

Hahaha Labours campaign slogan ‘in it for you’. Are they god damn serious??? I guess it depends on who the ‘you’ is because the vast majority of the population is much worse off. And they seem to generally be focused on themselves this year anyway. What a joke these idiots are!
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July 16, 2023 11:58am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Chris Hipkins is in it for the sausage rolls…
  
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  July 16, 2023 12:08pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132553883/labour-releases-election-slogan-in-it-for-you
    
    Weapons grade gaslighting. He says we will fix housing and education and health. 😂😂😂😂
    
    For me there are 12 stand out disasters from the last six years.
    
    . Housing
    . Health
    . Education
    . Inflation
    . Ballooning of the public service
    . Crime
    . Government debt
    . Current Account Deficit, now worst in the OECD
    . Unsustainable and potentially ruinous climate change policies
    . Regulatory burden on farmers
    . Erosion of democracy
    . Under investment in roads
    
    …..
    
    New Zealand cannot advance as a developed country unless all these problems are fixed.
    
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    July 16, 2023 12:25pm
    - Scooter
      
      You forgot racial division
      
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      July 16, 2023 5:50pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      Yo Ben
      
      You could give us a bit of an overview about how you would fix – say – housing and crime to pick a couple.
      
      Health would obviously benefit from your thoughts.
      
      I was impressed by your suggestion that a group of 10 smart folk could sort the RMA thing in short order.
      
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      July 16, 2023 7:06pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “Yo”? What are you? Jesse Pinkman?
        
        Of course the right 10 people could redesign the RMA, excluding parliamentary counsel. A small taskforce of about that size did prepare drafting instructions for an amended RMA in 2010. However United Future pulled support for the legislation.
        
        No I am not going to give you a catalogue of fixes. I have better things to do. I have written here on housing and other topics over several years if you are that interested.
        
        Anyway I know you are deflecting. Red flag.
        
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        July 17, 2023 8:33am
  - Biscuit
    
    And, Tony, did you hear Megan Woods: ‘Hands off those spare pies! They’re coming home with meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!’
    
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    July 16, 2023 1:07pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  They could have tried..
  
  “Sorry”
  
  Or
  
  “Jacinda did it”
  
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  July 16, 2023 12:36pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “Sorry” is out. They never ever say that.
    
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    July 16, 2023 12:47pm
- mandk
  
  Labour are so useless, they can’t even present their slogan correctly.
  
  What it is supposed to say is: “Labour’s got it in for you”.
  
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  July 16, 2023 1:04pm
Hugh Jarse

Labour Ministers – “Rolling in it, thanks taxpayers !”.
Labour Ministers spouses and Mums “Rolling in it, thanks taxpayers”
Taxpayers “Gee thanks, we are rolling in it alright and so will our kids and grandkids”
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July 16, 2023 12:23pm
Warren

National annouce some of there Roading policy this morning with $500 milion to fix pot holes , it’s a sad indictment on roads when you have to start yout tenure if elected on fixing pothole on our roads especially when Labour has used this fund to put into other policy.
It’s going to take many years to fix Jacinda Ardern and Chris Hipkins fuck ups as there is many of them .
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/national-to-make-major-road-transport-announcement-with-chris-luxon-and-simeon-brown/FGCCGHOOAZGZ7PKMF5BT7UUJE4/
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July 16, 2023 12:37pm
- Biscuit
  
  Warren, just imagine the food bill for the pot hole-filling ceremonies Chippie and his cabal would run up as each and every hole got ceremonially filled!
  
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  July 16, 2023 1:05pm
Ghost

Just a few I have come across already

In it for you
In it for you
In it for you
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July 16, 2023 12:41pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  First one!
  I stole it thanks 🙂
  
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  July 16, 2023 12:49pm
  - Ghost
    
    There was a labour youth camp one, but I thought if I posted that I would get a ban, lol
    
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    July 16, 2023 12:51pm
    - Colville
      
      you can but try 🙂
      
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      July 16, 2023 2:02pm
- Ghost
  
  In it for myself
  
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  July 16, 2023 12:58pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Chris Hipkins: “You’re soaking in it.”
  
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  July 16, 2023 1:37pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    https://twitter.com/smoothie_nz/status/1680360909036994560
    
    😀
    
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    July 16, 2023 1:59pm
- Ghost
  
  Support from Ukraine?
  
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  July 16, 2023 2:12pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.
– George W. Bush
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July 16, 2023 1:19pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Personal Announcement

Dear Kiwibloggers,

From henceforth… (well, perhaps until Oct 14th) my personal pronouns are you (singular) and you (plural) and yous (Gizzy speak).
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July 16, 2023 1:32pm
- Ghost
  
  How is your husband doing?
  
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  July 16, 2023 1:35pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    OK, at the moment…
    
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    July 16, 2023 1:54pm
Maggie Pie

“Fizzing at the bung!”

That’s how Ali Mau describes her anticipation of seeing the ‘Barbie’ movie when it opens in cinemas on Thursady. LOL!!

Must admit I’m looking forward to it as well…but wouldn’t go that far 😛
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July 16, 2023 1:34pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

A little like myself. Unseeded. Unstoppable.

And in case you missed it….here’s the final minute of the Woman’s Singles 😀

https://twitter.com/Wimbledon/status/1680224482038800384

(Don’t think I’d try that display at the end of a match.
OUR dress-code isn’t as strict as Wimbledons 😀 )
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July 16, 2023 2:23pm
thirteenstars

I’m sure I’m not alone here in being a regular viewer of the daily GB News Headliners show in which comedians discuss the newspaper headlines.

Here’s a clip from the most recent episode entitled, “Women police still make tea for male colleagues to ‘fit in’ “.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgMUfc11Hus

Priceless, and straight-faced throughout.
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July 16, 2023 2:49pm
Maggie Pie

It’s pleasing to see ‘milkey’ limiting himself to only downticking the commenters he hates on KB these days…. rather than engaging in personal abuse.

Just saying.
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July 16, 2023 2:50pm
- Biscuit
  
  Dunno if your ‘pal’ hates me or not, Maggie Pie, but you got me to thinking.
  Which would be worse for your mental well-being:
  
  Hate from ‘Milkey’
  or
  Love from ‘Milkey’
  
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  July 16, 2023 3:13pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You know something Bikkie…there is a time to larf
    and a time not to larf, and this is not one of them.
    
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    July 16, 2023 3:20pm
Chris Nisbet

So, Labour have it in for us.
Tell us something we don’t know.
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July 16, 2023 3:21pm
Swifty

How many hundreds of millions of NZ dollars are taken by Labour annually from the pockets of NZ families and handed out to arts organisations?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zvNw0P5ZMbA

And if, in some parallel universe, the ‘arts’ were all righties do we honestly think Labour would be so generous with New Zealander’s money?
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July 16, 2023 3:58pm
slightlyrighty

I’m not one for defacing political hoardings….

However….

“In it for you” is just begging to have ‘ Sh’ stickers, in a similar font of White on a Red background placed just before “it”.
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July 16, 2023 4:02pm
Ghost

Seems to be a large radiation spike in Ukraine

https://remap.jrc.ec.europa.eu/Advanced.aspx
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July 16, 2023 5:04pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION…..

Is it true ‘Stanley St’ are Labors AD AGENCY?

Asking for a friend in the game.
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July 16, 2023 6:39pm
- Hollyfield
  
  No idea, but Stanley St’s website features both Ministry of Education “Every School Day is a Good Day” plus KFC so the two do align with Labour.
  
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  July 16, 2023 7:21pm
miltonF

The government is going to shut this down:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/132525752/forgood-lender-money-sweetspot-getting-calls-from-banks-keen-to-learn-how-to-treat-customers-fairly

Just like they did with the peer to peer lending service Harmoney. Essentially, these programs cut out the middle man – the banks. They provide real and effective competition in lending markets.

I predict we will see a repeat of history. Banks will lobby the govt, telling them that Sweetspot is dangerous and too risky for lenders to participate.

The govt will oblige and shut down the operation, or like Harmoney, will only allow large financial institutions (banks) to lend thru the platform.

I wish I had of put much more money into Harmoney before the govt banned it. I was getting returns of ~8% while interest rates for term deposits were only ~3%. Now I have to put my money in the bank, which then takes my money and invests in the likes of Harmoney anyway. They give me half of the return and keep the other half of the profits for themselves! What a scandal!

It’s obvious why Labour does this. For tax income and control. So tired of this socialist bullc&@p.
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July 16, 2023 7:13pm
Maggie Pie

SIR James Wallace on SUNDAY ‘eh…..

Talk about making your flesh crawl 🙁
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