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NeverMindTheBollocks

If someone had told me 10 years ago that NZ would be celebrating an animist religion with a public holiday, along with wall-to-wall coverage on State and State-funded media, I’d have thought him mad.
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July 14, 2023 8:01am
- lastmanstanding
  
  I see Labour are using Pidgin TV ads to try and get Maori to enroll and vote. No doubt when they enroll they will be given “instructions” as to which Parties they must vote for.
  I wonder what bribes are being used. I dont KFC or McDonalds will cut it. Labour are probably buying hard drugs from the Mob and dishing these out. I wouldnt be at all surprised such is their desperation .
  
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  July 14, 2023 9:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I thought it was compulsory to be on the Electoral Roll?
    
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    July 14, 2023 9:48am
    - Mike
      
      It’s also compulsory to indicate before turning. Amazingly, lots of driver don’t bother.
      
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      July 14, 2023 9:52am
      - KiwiSapper
        
        AND to have the vehicle, registered, warranted and under the control of a driver with a Government issued, current driver’s licence……..but I recall how Constable Plod was under instructions to ignore that for “specified” South Auckland residents.
        
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        July 14, 2023 10:47am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That is the Kamala response. “You have not been to the border yet” “I have not been to Europe either”
        
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        July 15, 2023 9:45am
    - gravedodger
      
      That would be colonialist oppression Steve.
      
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      July 14, 2023 11:13am
    - Ruahine
      
      I think being on the Electoral roll is only a colonial rule.
      
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      July 14, 2023 11:38am
  - Nickc2
    
    Should people who appear on the electoral roll but didn’t complete a census form be prosecuted and have any vote they subsequently cast declared null and void?
    PS: Don’t forget all the bribes the taxpayer paid to get a certain protected species to complete a census form.
    
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    July 14, 2023 2:15pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Sounds like they suspended their inter tribal warfare and cannibalism once a year to all sit down with the kids and discuss astronomy.
  
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  July 14, 2023 9:34am
  - Mike
    
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    Cannibalistic rituals are still available this Sunday at your nearest Catholic church.
    
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    July 14, 2023 9:54am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Mike
      
      The “istic” bit makes it more palatable .
      (Unintended pun)
      
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      July 14, 2023 10:22am
    - rangitoto
      
      That’s just pretend though.
      
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      July 14, 2023 10:45am
      - Mike
        
        Not according to the Pope.
        
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        July 14, 2023 11:11am
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Lol. You have a think about Church Mike, but still support a rugby club with Marist in its name!
      
      Why not just switch to the atheists down the road, in Petone???
      
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      July 14, 2023 12:29pm
      - Mike
        
        Yeah, I don’t think the Catholics need special schools or clubs, either. And what about those Masonic hotels? I’m trusting the Marist label will be dropped eventually, perhaps when the religious order finally collapses under the weight of its conspicuous crimes.
        
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        July 14, 2023 12:52pm
  - peterwn
    
    No, probably just the elders with the elders’ kids. Astronomy was a craft held very tightly within a small group because a knowledge of astronomy was power. The Royal Navy limited the number of sailors taught navigation for similar reasons, the particular concern being the prospect of mutiny.
    
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    July 14, 2023 10:16am
    - imalwaysright
      
      No likely . The kids would spill the beans
      
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      July 14, 2023 10:55am
- oldpark
  
  @NMTB @8.01 AM .
  
  Do you mean Anismist/Pagan beliefs or practices ?Or Both .We certainly need enlightening when NZs 169 Nationalities who have made NZ home need to be educated to just where we are all headed to?”Nirvana” . Maybe Past! Present! or Future! Just saying .
  
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  July 14, 2023 9:59am
NeverMindTheBollocks

The one, the only, Bruce Lee.

From only four films, it’s a helluva legacy. One of the immortals.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/jul/13/zero-body-fat-anti-imperialism-and-tom-cruise-bruce-lees-legacy-50-years-after-his-death
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July 14, 2023 8:02am
- septic skeptic
  
  50 years after he faked his death and went undercover to help the Hong Kong police fight the triads.
  
  https://youtu.be/_GwbhKN-jUE
  
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  July 14, 2023 11:02am
- Rusty
  
  @Never,
  I wonder what sort of movies Bruce Lee would have ended up making in hollywood had he lived.
  
  Probably similar to Jackie Chan turning the martial arts genre into comedy entertainment.
  
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  July 14, 2023 12:45pm
artemisia

Thanks ‘James’ for your OIA initiative requesting numbers of police forensic accountants. The number has doubled under the current government, and that is one group where a big increase is a good thing.

Meanwhile bank scams are burgeoning, and the UK is bringing in new regs that will force banks to reimburse defrauded customers. Appears not all customers will be covered, but many more than currently.

Bank scams are increasingly being reported in New Zealand, and also in Australia. The Australian Investments and Securities Commission recently published Scam prevention, detection and response by the four major banks . Useful info, probably similar here, and a clear intention that banks step up and reimburse a lot more than currently.

Likely New Zealand will follow their lead and the cost will be considerable.

Some one has to pay. I’m picking that will be all bank customers, and not a trivial amount.

https://fyi.org.nz/request/23186-forensic-accountants
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July 14, 2023 8:03am
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/marc-ellis-on-why-hes-leaving-nz-rugbys-problems-razor-and-world-cup-concerns/CSULXAD3CRARTL3ZTHWGJ22G5A/

Marc Ellis is leaving NZ for good. He says…

“New Zealand feels as if it is being pulled apart at the seams. I thought we were egalitarian and unified but some people who feel slightly disenfranchised use that to exacerbate rifts for political reasons.”

Pretty much how I feel.
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July 14, 2023 8:06am
- Southern Raider
  
  When Shaneel was awarded young NZer of the year it was clear we had hit peak woke.
  
  Unfortunately if you look around the world there doesn’t seem to be many options for sanity. Australia, USA and UK are are mess.
  
  Unfortunately the countries with the most normality at the moment seem to be mono cultural societies like Japan who didn’t embrace mass immigration, diversity agendas etc and just stuck to doing their own thing.
  
  As we have allowed the woke culture to be fermented over the last 20 years it’s been like rust in Italian steel, and if you don’t treat it early there is no way back
  
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  July 14, 2023 10:10am
  - leoj
    
    Yep, Japan have a lot figured out, as does Singapore.
    
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    July 14, 2023 10:21am
    - Opie
      
      Pffft. What would Japan know…
      
      Yearly inflation at 3.2%. Month on month inflation April to May 0%
      
      Gdp growth expected to be 1.5% for 2023.
      
      Just over half the covid cases and deaths per million than NZ.
      
      People there are respectful and things run on time and get fixed.
      
      They never panicked over covid and simply refused to take actions that they knew would ruin their economy.
      
      Plus, none of the Japanese I know would think for a second that women have penises.
      
      Just wish I could do my job there…
      
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      July 14, 2023 10:49am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Are you a retiring All Black or provincial player? You’ll earn heaps over there. 🙂
        
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        July 14, 2023 12:13pm
      - Overworked
        
        I just wish we did two things Japan did – educate to near 100% literacy (2 phonetic scripts and 1000 or so pictograms) and numeracy, and open their borders only to people who will work hard and integrate. Citizenship is very closely guarded and almost impossible to get. Non-citizens can be deported any time, very little or no redress.
        
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        July 14, 2023 12:24pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Neither does Japan accept refugees. A token number, around 50 per year.
        
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        July 14, 2023 12:48pm
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Ummm… Sinagapore is a powder keg held together by quite strict rules around ethnic and religious activities. Its split in 3 major parts: Chinese, Indian, Malay – with Christianity, traditional Chinese religion, Hindu and Islam all check by jowl…
      
      They have strict limits on when religious festivals/parades can happen and where to stop things going off…
      
      It is hardly a homogenous society – its authoritarian capitalism write large
      
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      July 14, 2023 12:32pm
  - blue collar
    
    I’ll never give in to the wokesters .
    It’s our soft political class that needs to harden up
    
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    July 14, 2023 11:19am
  - jon
    
    Southern Raider so very well said, ESP your second to last paragraph!
    
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    July 14, 2023 2:07pm
- NothingLeft
  
  He’s rich with kids, crazy to stay in this country given what the conflict-stoking economy-destroying left are doing to it.
  
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  July 14, 2023 4:46pm
Mike

Vive La France!
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July 14, 2023 8:07am
- greybeard
  
  Demain , monsieur.
  
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  July 14, 2023 10:02am
- Che Guava
  
  I thought you considered nationalism to be inherently exclusive, retrograde and atavistic? Perhaps you just like to post in foreign language phrases in order to represent yourself as being cultured and intelligent.
  
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  July 14, 2023 10:30am
  - Mike
    
    I’m not sure that thinking these things through is your strength. Appreciation of la belle France and her people does not require promotion of those things above other countries, cultures or peoples.
    
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    July 14, 2023 11:15am
    - Che Guava
      
      Merely acknowledging that France is a distinct entity comprised of a distinct group of people who are French, and then proudly expressing your desire that France should live long is, quite frankly, crypto-fascistic and should not be permitted in a liberal democracy and open society such as ours. What begins with “Vive la France” is bound to end in the oppression of a non-French minority.
      
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      July 14, 2023 11:50am
Cassandra

Happy Matariki, mike. Everyone out planting kumaras? Staying in bed? Our retirement village owner, Arvida, very kindly sent us an explanatory booklet. A trend, I think, so I look forward to their booklet on ANZAC Day, King’s Birthday and, best of all, Easter and Christmas. The one Maori in our village thinks Matariki is just an excuse for a day off. I couldn’t possibly comment.
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July 14, 2023 8:07am
- rouppe
  
  A day off?
  
  In a retirement village?
  
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  July 14, 2023 9:26am
  - Cassandra
    
    I think my Maori neighbour was referring to the population at large. Apparently Matariki is no big deal in his whanau.
    
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    July 14, 2023 10:05am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Matariki hasn’t been a big deal in ANY Maori whanau for over 100 years Cassandra, so no surprise your neighbour says same.
      
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      July 14, 2023 1:26pm
- Mike
  
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  Um, all holidays are an excuse for a day off. Just because pensioners have every day off, doesn’t mean that everyone else should be denied some privileges.
  
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  July 14, 2023 9:38am
  - Cassandra
    
    I hope ANZAC Day means more than that to you, mike.
    
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    July 14, 2023 10:06am
    - leoj
      
      Don’t get your hopes up Cass.
      
      Functioning brain cells are becoming harder and harder to identify.
      
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      July 14, 2023 10:23am
    - Mike
      
      It means that the shops open irritatingly late, for one thing.
      
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      July 14, 2023 11:16am
- Stellaboxer
  
  When a government has to explain to the population what the public holiday is about you know you’re living in clown world.
  
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  July 14, 2023 10:05am
  - Clownworld
    
    Agree. Cue the music.
    
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    July 14, 2023 8:17pm
- MiddleclassTrash
  
  I heard of some [Mod – please use maori instead of casual racism] commentators saying that euro types may as well drink and light fireworks to celebrate St Jacinda day as it’s all they seem to know how to do.
  Mate, if it wasn’t for our ability to fire cannons, drink rum, sail & ban slavery, you could be some other brown persons property!
  
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  July 14, 2023 11:15am
- miltonF
  
  Happy Jacinda Ardern day.
  
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  July 14, 2023 3:59pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

That Gloriavale decision is a travesty. The people there live the life they choose, and when they choose not to live communally then they leave. To call it slavery demeans real slaves.

The problem is that broader society struggles with the notion that people can live other than pursuing a capitalist lifestyle.
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July 14, 2023 8:08am
- Che Guava
  
  Gotta be a slave to Mammon you see, otherwise the system falls apart. Keep producing, keep consuming, keep rooting and keep being distracted and you’ll fit right in. But if you’re a “slave” to God rather than to material, then that’s bad for business. The usurers were chased out of the temple for a reason, but they’ve never got over the affront and hate Christians and Christianity with a fervour.
  
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  July 14, 2023 10:18am
- thirteenstars
  
  It’s the kind of woke decision you’d expect in a woke age. It has all kinds of implications for voluntary relationships, improperly capturing them under law.
  
  How’s this any different than a stay-at-home wife/mother claiming she was an unpaid “employee” for 30 years, required to do certain jobs, without any protection from employment law?
  
  This community is entitled to operate as it sees fit. I think they’re all religious nutters but as long as there’s no actual abuse taking place, leave them alone.
  
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  July 14, 2023 10:21am
  - septic skeptic
    
    It’s a bit more nuanced than that. Girls are raised and educated there. Apparently something between 80 and 90% of their NCEA credits are in cooking and sewing. By the time they are old enough to choose, they are going to have a hard time adapting to a more normal lifestyle.
    Having said that, this upbringing would be vastly preferable to being raised in the gangs – and we choose to do SFA about that problem!
    
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    July 14, 2023 11:10am
    - thirteenstars
      
      You could say that about any doctrinaire upbringing. Hell, you could say that about modern public education with its undoubted ideological bias. What chance does a kid have by the time they leave high school to have a non-woke view of the world?
      
      It seems to me that despite protestations to the contrary the court, to a great degree, did in fact use this decision to attack the lifestyle these people choose to live.
      
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      July 14, 2023 1:19pm
- gravedodger
  
  The Gloriavale decision was an entirely ‘political’ judgement and very poor interpretation of law as written.
  
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  July 14, 2023 11:18am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The people there live the life they choose, and when they choose not to live communally then they leave.
  
  Perhaps that applied in the 1970s, when adults chose to follow Neville Cooper, but now with 3-4 generations of women and children financially bonded to Gloriavale, it cannot apply.
  
  Gloriavale has thrived on the unpaid labour of women and young children and the generous family support Government handouts that go into the coffers of the ruling Shepherds.
  
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  July 14, 2023 12:29pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    You neglected to mention that boys and men also work hard there.
    
    It’s an unusual life, in this day & age, and not for everyone. I’m not saying it’s perfect, but to describe it as slavery is taking the piss.
    
    In any case, if the Employment Court holds that the minimum wage applies, then surely Gloriavale can charge for board & lodgings; and Grant will be wanting his share also.
    
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    July 14, 2023 1:56pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You neglected to mention that boys and men also work hard there.
      
      I was under the impression that the word children included boys.
      
      Yes, I know some men at Gloriavale work hard; but some men in that community insist that women and children must obey them.
      
      Hence, multiple complaints of females being groped, sexually abused, and punished by men at Gloriavale.
      
      “We were all amazed and realised that all the touching that had made us feel sick in the kitchen was not allowed, we had just all thought it was normal and that we had to put up with it,” she said.
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/474339/sexual-harassment-of-gloriavale-workers-a-normal-occurrence-court-hears
      
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      July 14, 2023 6:25pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

World cricket announces equal prize money between men & women at their international competitions.

Meanwhile, FIFA has to give away 20,000 tickets to the Women’s World Cup, to boost attendance.

Go figure.

On an unrelated note, the names of the Eastern European women at Wimbledon are proving a real challenge to the female sports news readers who know nothing about sport.
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July 14, 2023 8:09am
- leoj
  
  When tickets to the womens’ events fail to sell, women will blame the men for not buying them.
  
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  July 14, 2023 10:25am
  - KiwiSapper
    
    Do you really expect, in your wildest dreams that 900,000 New Zealanders will snap up the all the tickets allocated to New Zealand…. especially considering the sale conditions imposed such as no hard copy and not being available except “on line” purchases. No door sales
    
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    July 14, 2023 10:55am
  - Mike
    
    Only 1 million tickets sold so far.
    
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    July 14, 2023 11:19am
    - Southern Raider
      
      In Australia
      
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      July 14, 2023 1:16pm
  - blue collar
    
    All the feminists should be supporting their female counterparts .
    But they don’t
    They would rather watch the kardashians or real housewives , women tearing each other apart .
    It’s what women like
    Check out bill burr ( comedian ) on women’s sports , sorry , can’t post links
    
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    July 14, 2023 11:24am
- Southern Raider
  
  I looked into buying some and it’s the most draconian non user friendly ticketing site I’ve ever been to
  
  Before you can even look at what games, tickets and prices are available you need to go through three separate signup pages collecting what seems to be a whole lot of unnecessary information including what looks like some international banking details.
  
  Once into the site you can’t see where you would be sitting apart from “category” of tickets which for category 1 is all of North and South stands at Eden Park.
  
  They shouldn’t blame men. They should blame FIFA
  
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  July 14, 2023 1:15pm
  - Clownworld
    
    FIFA most corrupt and bureaucratic organisation goes woke too. Who would’ve thunk it?
    
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    July 14, 2023 8:22pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Groan, and therefore the threat to normal cricket, test and provincial, becomes greater as the money to pay women has to come from somewhere. And it won’t be covered by women’s international competitions, since no one watches them. Therefore, it stands to reason that payments to men will go down to subsidise women. And men, if they are any good, will then make the simple decision to play IPL and other leagues around the world where they can command higher pay.
  
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  July 14, 2023 1:31pm
Suze Wainwright

At least Rawiri ain’t going to take no sh!t from honky Hipkins.
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July 14, 2023 8:12am
- hullkiwi
  
  That is not how Snownews framed what he and Debbie Packer were saying last night.
  
  If, you were to believe Snownews last night, after 14th October, NZ will see a united Coalition of Chaos and NZ will be a land of equity and redistribution as all the nasty rich pricks willing give over their “wealth” as they welcome the wealth/asset/capital gains taxes that will be implemented by the new enlightened government. sarc//
  
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  July 14, 2023 9:42am
  - greybeard
    
    If the Maori Party is so hell-bent on re-distributing wealth around the place then maybe the first place they should look is the billions of dollars paid to them so far in Treaty Settlements.
    
    By now there should be no person identifying as a maori who is not already living in a free-hold house !
    
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    July 14, 2023 10:05am
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      The term ‘redistributing wealth’ kinda suggests there’s a fixed amount of it.
      Rather than taking somebody else’s wealth that they’ve earned using their own skills and get-up-and-go-edness (technical term), there’s always the option of making your own.
      
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      July 14, 2023 10:16am
    - rouppe
      
      The Maori Party say “redistribute wealth” in the same breath as saying they’re there “for all new Zealanders”, right after “Maori are number one”.
      
      Why do no media put ask these together and ask questions?
      
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      July 14, 2023 10:24am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Agree Greybeard .
      
      The disbursal of treaty settlement money to those entitled seems to be done by a method akin to the humorous pub sign : “Free Beer !, Tomorrow “.
      
      It amazes me how many keep coming back.
      
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      July 14, 2023 10:50am
    - KiwiSapper
      
      OOoooh LOOK, pigs flying in formation at 20,000 feet.
      
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      July 14, 2023 10:56am
    - Piniwi
      
      Also greybeard this Labour mob have thrown so much money at Māori’s than any previous Government. For votes in the coming they gave them $1 Billion, untold amounts for Covid and then the census. Add to that the mega amounts wasted on bolstering the dying language at last count was up to $1 billion. Not to mention massive amounts for flying their dance teams to every cat and dog fight for no reason or return.
      
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      July 14, 2023 2:10pm
  - Southern Raider
    
    Good to see Hone was back and swearing on national news
    
    Hipkins has backed himself into a corner where he now new Te Pati to have any chance of staying in the highest paid job he will ever have. However has he not realised Te Pati will have him crying in the foetal position in the corner of his office within 3 months of forming a Govt.
    
    Labour is completely useless and incompetent, but Te Pati and Greens are next level fucked up crazy
    
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    July 14, 2023 10:14am
Andy

Spare a thought for struggling companies today. Another day of shut down with staff on full pay. I know that this is hurting them.
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July 14, 2023 8:15am
- Bobba Fret
  
  And I see the Greens want to phase in 5 weeks annual leave for everybody!
  
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  July 14, 2023 9:46am
  - imalwaysright
    
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    It would be a better idea to make work mandatory for 47 weeks a year.
    Imagine.
    
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    July 14, 2023 11:56am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  All part of running a business.
  Running a business into the ground. Larger ones survive but a guy with 5 employees or less will suffer.
  All part of the plan to make us ALL dependent.
  
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  July 14, 2023 10:04am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Don’t forget that owner with 5 employees will have to also the wealth tax after some IRD bureaucrats has set an arbitrary value on the business. So, with lost productivity of the company, and increased tax, what chance NZ small to medium sized businesses?
    
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    July 14, 2023 10:19pm
- GJM
  
  No shutdown for us self employed. In the office today, working to pay taxes for Grant to waste. When I started my business 10 years ago, having no staff was a central part of it. A decision I have never regretted. I don’t think it even cost growth, certainly didn’t affect profits over that time. I knwo of to many companies where the boss works him (or her) self into an early grave, purely for payroll and the priviledge of paying more tax.
  
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  July 14, 2023 4:48pm
Inandout

Yesterday I witnessed the weirdest mask use when a woman who I saw in a major store shopping returned to her car minus any mask. We both returned to our vehicles and as I was about to leave the carpark I noticed she was donning a face mask. My wife, who I admit was once a Covid scare follower, burst into laughter at this woman’s inanity. And this woman presumably votes.
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July 14, 2023 8:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  100% converted and will never change.
  
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  July 14, 2023 10:05am
- krazykiwi
  
  Compulsive mask wearing is a mental illness. It is creating a rich vein of study material.
  
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  July 14, 2023 10:10am
- NothingLeft
  
  Have a heart, not easy being so ugly you feel the need to wear a mask in public.
  
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  July 14, 2023 4:49pm
- Clownworld
  
  What’s worse probably the same mask used for 3 years.
  
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  July 14, 2023 8:24pm
  - Ghost
    
    Reminds me of watching someone walk past the car one day wearing what would have been at some strange a blue disposable mask, it was badly yellow stained.
    
    Although I’m not sure which is worse, that or sitting in the car at the hospital and watching someone walking down the street picking up discarded cigarettes and putting them in their pocket
    
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    July 14, 2023 8:27pm
imalwaysright

Outsource the judiciary to Briscoes checkout operators.
That way everyone gets 70% off.
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July 14, 2023 8:22am
- pdm
  
  Saying of the day IAR.
  
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  July 14, 2023 9:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I had to think about that. No doubt many still are!
    
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    July 14, 2023 10:07am
- wsk12345
  
  Rather that the 80% they already get?
  
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  July 14, 2023 11:14am
krazykiwi

Stonking head cold. I miss pseudoephedrine. It worked beautifully.
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July 14, 2023 8:23am
- Matt Long
  
  Yes, isn’t 21st century progress great?
  
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  July 14, 2023 8:27am
  - All_on_Red
    
    “Technology is a gift of God. After the gift of life, it is perhaps the greatest of God’s gifts. It is the mother of civilizations, of arts and of sciences.” – Freeman Dyson
    
    Not so sure about the God bit but he has a point.
    
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    July 14, 2023 9:04am
    - Che Guava
      
      If technology is considered a “good” then that implies there is also a “bad,” and both of these are value judgments. If value judgments are to be anything other than empty noises, they have to refer to something about the world. If there are values in the world, then there must be more to the world than just the physical and the material, as the atheists would have us believe. A wholly mechanical world of cause and effects is value-neutral. There must be something that transcends the world of mere contingent phenomena, and in fact underpins it all, and that thing is a necessary being and first mover, aka God. What is the point of civilisations, arts and sciences if everything is just matter in motion? There is no point whatsoever and none of these things can have any significance.
      
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      July 14, 2023 9:38am
      - Swifty
        
        Now you’re just being silly.
        
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        July 14, 2023 10:12am
      - Mike
        
        No, Swifty, he appears to genuinely believe in this crap. Meet his intellectual inspiration:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Evola
        
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        July 14, 2023 11:21am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Good stuff Che.
        I suppose the antithesis is ignorance.
        Is ignorance the original sin?
        
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        July 14, 2023 11:40am
- BarryB
  
  Yes – ‘progress’ has its drawbacks.
  Im told that there is a very close chemical relative to pseudo…….. that works as well as, if not better than, and is easier to get than two packets of panadol at Countdown.
  Its called an unexpected consequence………..
  
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  July 14, 2023 8:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Panadol are lollies.
    
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    July 14, 2023 9:42am
    - Northshoredoc
      
      Panadol (paracetamol) are not lollies and should not be treated as such.
      
      It has strict dosage instructions for a reason, if you take more than the recommended dose you risk serious liver injury and death.
      
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      July 14, 2023 1:49pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        They are lollies
        
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        July 15, 2023 9:48am
- sirknz
  
  Yup, removing pseudoephedrine from over the counter cold + flu medications has really put a dent in the supply of meth that the gangs can sell…
  
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  July 14, 2023 8:42am
- softail 1450
  
  Krazykiwi, Thanks to the gangs and weak willed drug addicts 99 % of NZ’s population were restricted from using a safe cheap drug that worked, it’s the NZ way, ban something good to protect the oxygen thieves that want to abuse it,unfortunately some of the over the counter pain medications available now are about as useful as a mouthful of flour.
  
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  July 14, 2023 8:49am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Can’t buy Linctus Gee anymore. It went to prescription only, then killed off.
    I had been taking that for a cough and sore throat since I was 5.
    
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    July 14, 2023 9:39am
- NK
  
  Take the Vax.
  
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  July 14, 2023 8:50am
- rouppe
  
  Take your favorite analgesic for pain etc, squirt the otrivin to clear the nose.
  
  Strong coffee for some get up and go. None of that milky crap, soy latte bollocks, over filled cup nonsense, a properly drawn 110ml long black from someone who knows what they’re doing.
  
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  July 14, 2023 9:08am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Otravin for sure. Forget the dosage. Sinus ducts drilled years ago. Pre op it was two squirts in both nostrils every 5 minutes, for 40 minutes.
    Can’t drill holes with a die grinder with snot all over the place.
    Moustache shaved off. Wear a tampon under the nose for a few days.
    
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    July 14, 2023 9:36am
- Opie
  
  Maybe you should get a test…
  
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  July 14, 2023 9:15am
  - mister nui
    
    Yes, I understand Chippie has about 836million of them sitting in cold storage, so should be able to pick a few up cheap….
    
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    July 14, 2023 9:34am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ammonia sniff fixes it. Hurts a bit! Acetone?
  Sudafed (if you can get it) contains 5mg. Many moons ago it was 120mg.
  
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  July 14, 2023 9:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    5mg and 120mg of pseudoephedrine***
    
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    July 14, 2023 9:27am
  - marcw
    
    NZ retailed ‘Sudafed’ contains phenylephrine HCl, there is no pseudoephedrine. Phenylephrine HCl has a similar action but nowhere near the effectiveness, but is all we are allowed by nanny state.
    
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    July 14, 2023 10:28am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Years back sudafed did contain pseudoephedrine.
      I just checked my daytime/nightime pills. You are correct about Phenylephrine HCl.
      
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      July 14, 2023 12:56pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Probably plenty available in Opotiki.
  
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  July 14, 2023 10:24am
- Ghost
  
  eucalyptus and menthol oil steam several times a day
  
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  July 14, 2023 10:36am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Partner still uses Friar’s Balsam, but no longer available.
    
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    July 14, 2023 10:52am
- fredonas
  
  As advised by my GP in Sydney 20 years ago, I took a Telfast 120mg (antihistamine) in the morning and original formula benedryl an hour before bed. Unfortunately I don’t think original formula benedryl is available in NZ which is a shame as it always worked well for me.
  
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  July 14, 2023 1:29pm
Drone

I’m tempted to ask if KBers are in sympathy with the once AB Marc Ellis who like many before him are leaving New Zealand because in his own words (from a paywalled Herald article) “New Zealand has lost its Mojo”, he’s off to Italy. But I won’t because like many, Dame Ardern most recently people are just leaving, the mojo as gone and the politicians can’t bring it back.
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July 14, 2023 8:23am
- Simon
  
  [Mod – clean your language up]
  
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  July 14, 2023 9:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Smartest thing he did was set off fireworks at the Rangitoto Summit.
  Cause a stir with the Police, Fire, Brigade, St Johns, and other first responders.
  Even Civil Defence took the bait.
  
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  July 14, 2023 10:55am
Humai

Hey what is it with senior Labour ministers and the use of “Oh look, ” at the beginning of any sentence in reply to a media question. Media: “Mr Hipkins, do you intend to introduce new taxes?” Hipkins: “Oh look, [insert waffle here]”.

Is this part of their media training module? Are there any PR/Media folk in the house who can shed some light?
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July 14, 2023 8:31am
- rouppe
  
  Is actually all politicians, all senior ministry officials, councillors.
  
  If you hear anyone start with “oh look” then it’s 90% bullshit
  
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  July 14, 2023 9:31am
- Grunter
  
  Followed by “…..we’ve bin very clear on this,,,,,” followed by blah blah blah bullshit bullshit….
  
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  July 14, 2023 9:41am
- graham
  
  I suspect they’ve been instructed by their comms people that saying “Oh look …” sounds far better than “Umm …”
  
  Jacinda used a similar ploy, frequently saying “Ahh …” instead of “Umm …”. Simple but effective little trick.
  
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  July 14, 2023 9:49am
  - Swifty
    
    “So,……” has also been in vogue for a while.
    
    I hear it all the time.
    
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    July 14, 2023 10:15am
    - leoj
      
      Agreed. When anyone says “so” to begin an answer it is certain that their answer is NOT so.
      
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      July 14, 2023 10:33am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Degree in Communications you know. One thing she does not refude.
    
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    July 14, 2023 10:20am
    - imalwaysright
      
      On which premise did she get her degree?
      The only one she didn’t reject.
      
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      July 14, 2023 12:02pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Also graham it very likely the PR spin team suggesting an easy way to assemble mind and mouth in the absence of a specially prepared script. Some will have seem Chippie verbally stumbling on camera recently then saying “ops lost Siri there for a minute”. He does seem to have his own form of word soup to avoid questions or to avoid saying anything meaningful.
    
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    July 14, 2023 2:20pm
- Eugene
  
  As soon as I hear that an interviewee is an “oh look” practitioner I switch off from the rest of what they have to say as.they are clearly weak, insecure and either telling fibs or unsure what they are saying. They probably think that the gimmick covers it all up – wrong. Unfortunately Luxon is one of the worst and I’m sure it contributes to his public persona difficulties.
  
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  July 14, 2023 11:56am
- Aldousk
  
  They’ve been watching old TV footage of Tony Blair.
  
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  July 14, 2023 8:19pm
Southern Raider

Judge rants about the public and police have had enough of ram raids, has a 19 year old “teen” who committed two while on bail for aggravated assault, points out he could get 10 years and…………discounts it down to 7 months home detention

And there is the problem

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/retail-crime-almost-400-ram-raids-in-six-months-judge-tells-young-offender-the-public-have-had-enough/L7X4UDED5FB5PD74DEK7NJ5BZU/
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July 14, 2023 8:32am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The word “Judge” meaning in dictionaries needs to be updated to include “sympathiser.”
  
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  July 14, 2023 10:23am
- leoj
  
  Make sentences minimum vs maximum so that judges have no flexibility.
  
  Putting judges on the ballot would sharpen them up also.
  
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  July 14, 2023 10:34am
Cassandra

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/retail-crime-almost-400-ram-raids-in-six-months-judge-tells-young

This 19 year old was on bail, then home detention, committed two further car thefts and ram raids and was sentenced to…………………. more home detention. We need a change of government and a major change in attitude. The judge said that the community was fed up and she’s right. I’d send him for a week’s rehab in Singapore.
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July 14, 2023 8:32am
- rouppe
  
  I’ve seen Seymour say “need to set up more aggravating factors”.
  
  I actually disagree. That judge said “these offences have a maximum 10 year term”. So there’s plenty of scope for judges.
  
  The real question is why judges are applying such steep discounts without applying any aggravating factors to balance it out.
  
  Multiple offences, weapons, carelessness over how much damage they cause, 4 against 1, are all reasons to not discount.
  
  Compare that to the judge who put a citizen in the cells all day because they didn’t want to do jury duty
  
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  July 14, 2023 9:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Special K told the Dudges he does not want anyone in the hinaki.
    
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    July 14, 2023 10:59am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nope
  
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  July 14, 2023 10:26am
Jethrod

Happy Pleiades, Seven Sisters, Subaru Day,

Oh and if you are working today, it’s double time and a day in lieu for…..matariki.
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July 14, 2023 8:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Daughter gets time and a half plus day in lieu.
  Sort of part time. 6 days but some are 4, 5, or 6 hours.
  
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  July 14, 2023 10:39am
chuk

Birth pangs of the new state religion on red radio this morning. I didn’t listen for long.
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July 14, 2023 8:39am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Why are you listening to that commie station?
  
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  July 14, 2023 9:55am
  - chuk
    
    Happy wife, happy life Cap’n. And there rests the case for the defence.
    
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    July 14, 2023 10:51am
Rich Prick

Happy newly invented whatever day.
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July 14, 2023 8:40am
- Biscuit
  
  Bit disappointing that Mike hasn’t – yet: 8.47 am – been on to tell us that Matariki is an age-old celebration here in Aotearoa that dates all the way back to, lemme check, 2022.
  
  I’m not knocking it mind – the Otaki Maori Racing Club has a short programme on today – 7 races between 12.39 pm and 4.09 pm – so there MAY be occasion for me to do some of that dancing that ‘Stuff’ is telling me is breaking out across the country…
  
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  July 14, 2023 8:53am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    If Matariki was an age-old and/or widespread traditional Maori celebration, there would be numerous records of it taking place in the journals and other writings made in New Zealand in the 19th Century.
    Maori (and non-Maori) academics in the last century would have understood the importance of cataloging ethnic culture now that they had English and a system of academic writing. They would have recorded all aspects of Maori culture and practices they had access to, to record these for posterity.
    If we can find no record of Matariki lore in the literature of the 19th and 20th Century scholars, then it is possible that no such tradition exists and that it is a modern political fabrication.
    
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    July 14, 2023 9:00am
    - softail 1450
      
      Odakyu-sen, Yes the Matariki phenomenon appeared as magically as the Cannibal phenomenon disappeared, very strange ,there must be a place in folklore where you can recycle history to your liking and Robbo must be taking advantage of it going by some of his recent murmurings on the state of the economy..
      
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      July 14, 2023 9:28am
    - OlderChas
      
      Well over a year ago I was chatting with a mate very much into Maoridom, traditions etc. When Matariki came up he quietly confessed that at the time it was being mooted as a holiday etc he had to look it up to see what it was. He nor his whanau had ever heard of it.
      
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      July 14, 2023 10:21am
      - leoj
        
        Imaginary, much like all the maori myths.
        
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        July 14, 2023 10:38am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It is in Te Tiriti somewhere. Only three Articles, should not be hard to find.
      Mike will sort it and tell us.//
      
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      July 14, 2023 10:45am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It is documented by the early missionaries and in late 19thC -early 20thC publications.
      
      e.g. Henry Stowell, Wm Colenso, Elsdon Best, George Grey, Edward Tregear, etc
      
      https://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-TreRace-t1-body-d17-d4.html
      
      https://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-BesAstro-t1-body-d1-d6-d4.html
      
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      July 14, 2023 1:11pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        “. Matariki was also called Hoko, because at his rising the seed-kumara were planted.”
        This was the meaning of Matariki as told to me by my aunt, a Kuia of Tuhoe. (related by Marriage to my dad’s oldest brother who was born around 1890. )
        
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        July 14, 2023 1:37pm
  - Inandout
    
    Biscuit, Mike may be held in moderation, like my 8.18 comment.
    
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    July 14, 2023 9:00am
  - Mike
    
    Your lack of faith disturbs me.
    
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    July 14, 2023 9:02am
    - Mike
      
      So sorry, got that movie quote wrong:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNoo35bJexI
      
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      July 14, 2023 9:40am
    - Che Guava
      
      “Faith”? Isn’t Matariki grounded in the work of the Maori astronomers of old?
      
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      July 14, 2023 9:47am
      - leoj
        
        No. It’s made up by the maori elite.
        
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        July 14, 2023 10:39am
  - JerJer
    
    Yeah. I bet those .01% of people that are wasting their time dancing to celebrate the made up nothing day are having a great time. The rest are having a sleep in, then maybe do some shopping and let off some fireworks. I see there is much less publicity about this made up nothing holiday than last year. It’s already dying.
    
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    July 14, 2023 9:04am
    - Eugene
      
      Except for the ad for some made up award ceremony for the made up Matarili that played on Newstalk ZB on what appeared to be every ad beak for the last two weeks. Who payed for that?
      
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      July 14, 2023 10:42am
    - Piniwi
      
      But JerJer the natives are still milking it from Labour for their dance team, holiday and “cultural things”.
      
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      July 14, 2023 2:27pm
  - pdm
    
    Biscuit – is that Morris Dancing?
    
    Your National sport!!
    
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    July 14, 2023 9:07am
- sirknz
  
  OMG! Are you trying to commercialise this most sacred of days that was so sacred if you brought it up 20 years ago, nobody would know what you were talking about?
  
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  July 14, 2023 8:53am
  - emmess
    
    Try four years ago
    
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    July 14, 2023 9:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Now if you said “Subaru” people would know what it was. (Not the car)
    
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    July 14, 2023 11:06am
- Jack5
  
  Rich Prick’s … newly invented whatever day. …
  
  It’s Bastille Day – “Fête nationale française”.
  
  It’s 234 days since the mob overthrew the toffs.
  
  There’ll be a big parade in Paris, and here’s the Foreign Legion practising:
  
  https://youtu.be/2PSzoeA8mCI
  
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  July 14, 2023 9:01am
  - Jack5
    
    Edit: It’s 234 ~~days~~ years since the mob overthrew the toffs.
    
    They headed off New Zealand in the day’s celebration, as it were.
    
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    July 14, 2023 9:31am
  - hullkiwi
    
    “days” or “years”.
    
    Mind you Macron second term seems to be beset with the masses protesting at regular intervals.
    
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    July 14, 2023 9:33am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    La Legion is the only unit in the French Military that can be sent off on operations without the approval of the French Parliament.
    
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    July 14, 2023 9:38am
    - Jack5
      
      For anyone curious about the bearded men wearing leather aprons and with axes on their shoulders that lead the Legion in the big parade …
      
      “The pioneers (or sappers) are a popular, traditional unit of the Foreign Legion. They wear large beards and the traditional Foreign Legion Pioneers uniform, including leather aprons and axes. Pioneers/sappers were very common in the French Army during the Napoleonic Era (1799–1815), but disappeared after 1870, excluding the Pioneers of the Foreign Legion.”
      
      And ….
      
      “In late April 1931, on Camerone Day, a platoon of Pioneers opened a parade for the very first time in modern history, during the 100th anniversary of the Foreign Legion celebrations. Even nowadays, the parades of the Foreign Legion are opened by this unit. This practice maintains the sappers’ tradition of opening the way, using their axes and shovels to clear enemy obstacles in the past.”
      
      That’s from the web site Traditions of the Foreign Legion.
      
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      July 14, 2023 10:00am
    - Inandout
      
      fight, I read that with the FFL they will accept anyone with a criminal record and don’t ask questions. I was wondering if this stand also applies to gender fluid types, like no questions asked? The training I believe is rigorous.
      
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      July 14, 2023 10:32am
      - Jack5
        
        This is from an American military web site: “The French Foreign Legion has a strength of 8,000 men and boasts a selection rate of 15 per cent, which is between that of US Navy SEALs and US Army Rangers.
        
        From another American military news web site:
        
        The legion will still accept desertersand other minor miscreants, but it’s not as easy as it once was. New recruits are given a battery of physical, intelligence, and psychological testsbefore they even get any kind of training. Later on in the process, recruits are screened for “motivation” in order to weed out those who don’t have the drive to make it in the ranks.
        
        http://foreignlegion.info/joining
        
        The July 14 parade in Paris begins at 9.0 tonight NZ time, and doubtless will be shown on the Internet, perhaps YouTube.
        
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        July 14, 2023 12:42pm
      - Jack5
        
        Live Stream of the Paris parade … Modi, of India, sitting beside the Macrons …
        
        https://www.youtube.com/live/fGlktjXD6aU?feature=share
        
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        July 14, 2023 8:36pm
  - rockape
    
    It was a great day in Tahiti last time I went there. Celebrated by a huge festival of dance in the local stadium and great hospitality. Not feeling the love in NZ and I don’t think many of us white folk will be celebrating it.
    
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    July 14, 2023 9:48am
  - Che Guava
    
    I expected the reference to the “Foreign Legion” in the context of rioting mobs was going to be a clip of immigrants recently going nuts and burning and otherwise destroying their “home” France. It’s somewhat ironic that the “liberté, égalité, fraternité” brought in by the overthrow of the Catholic monarchy in 1789 is why France and Europe is now full of culturally enriching third worlders, something that would never have happened under the European monarchs.
    
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    July 14, 2023 9:55am
    - Jack5
      
      Che Guava’s … something that would never have happened under the European monarchs.
      
      And yet, King Charles is strongly critical of Britain’s Rwanda plan to thwart illegal immigration:
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/10/prince-charles-criticises-appalling-rwanda-scheme-reports
      
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      July 14, 2023 12:47pm
      - Che Guava
        
        Yeah, but Charles is a completely cucked constitutional monarch, not a Christian monarch of old.
        
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        July 14, 2023 1:19pm
- hullkiwi
  
  I hope you got up early over the last 3 days to see the star cluster…wait, you probably didn’t because it is winter, it is cold, and her in Rodney it has been tipping down with rain each morning. So, your chance of seeing anything was zero, just like the ancient Maori astronomers (who never existed).
  
  What a fraud, just enjoy the day….
  
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  July 14, 2023 9:06am
  - pdm
    
    hkiwi. – I got up later this morning but soon read of the scholl lunches fiasco.
    
    That was a big enough cluster for me.
    
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    July 14, 2023 9:31am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I saw it on TV. Dunno where the cameras were.
    Mostly cloudy and rain on the Shore.
    
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    July 14, 2023 11:09am
- Mr Nobody NZ
  
  Happy Winter Solstice.
  
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  July 14, 2023 9:08am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Has this post been stuck in moderation for the last 3 weeks?
    
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    July 14, 2023 11:32am
peterwn

See:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/07/election-2023-james-shaw-says-very-real-possibility-green-members-may-want-party-on-cross-benches-rather-than-coalition-with-labour.html

But if Labour needs Winston’s support as well, James Shaw will be like Sampson with a crewcut, just like he and the Greens were in 2017. The Greens need to stop dreaming and face reality.
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July 14, 2023 8:50am
- Blackbob
  
  With any luck, and a few people seeing sense, whats left of the Greens will be on the cross benches regardless of Shaw’s political witterings.
  
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  July 14, 2023 9:26am
- rockape
  
  Would any greens realy want a National lead government. They are full of bullshit and will follow Labour like The Lambs they are. Watch out for their first conference post election, it will be known as The silence of the Lambs !
  
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  July 14, 2023 9:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Sequal is “Shut up, ewe”
    
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    July 14, 2023 11:15am
cas

I was just thinking with all the polls coming out , that a good question to ask would be ‘are you on a benefit of any sort’.
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July 14, 2023 8:55am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/amazing-night-in-motueka/
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July 14, 2023 8:59am
- Mike
  
  Cool. I understand Motueka is one of the best places to see Matariki in the early morning. Good on him.
  
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  July 14, 2023 9:22am
  - rangitoto
    
    It’s best seen 24 degrees North of the equator, where it transits your local meridian directly overhead.
    
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    July 14, 2023 11:05am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Last thing on his mind would be Maori fiction.
    
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    July 14, 2023 11:16am
    - Mike
      
      Stars are real things, Steve, and astronomical observations are central to all human cultures.
      
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      July 14, 2023 11:24am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Yes but Maori had no idea what stars were. They told stories about them being eyes of gods.
        
        That is my problem with establishing what is essentially a new religious holiday mixed in with a liberal dose of ‘Maori Science’.
        
        If New Zealand needed a new holiday there were plenty of choices based around actual momentous achievements. The birthday of Ernest Rutherford would have been a great choice. On ‘Rutherford Day’ We could celebrate science.
        
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        July 14, 2023 12:28pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        There is a way to find true south from the southern cross. Maybe that is how Maori immigrated here.
        
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        July 14, 2023 1:04pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Agree BY.
        We have suffiecient knowledge to establish an approximate date of the arrival of the Fleet canoes. If Maori were serious about a holiday to celebrate things Maori, I would go along with a date established by consensus for the arrival of the fleet canoes – it would have been at a time when the currents and winds favoured a journey in the South-west direction from Hawaiki, or Rarotonga where the Takatimu canoe left from. Probably around Feb/Mar 1290 AD. But that’s just my guess.
        
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        July 14, 2023 1:45pm
Bridgenag

One to look at when on your coffee break [posted before but worth the look]

Dr David Bell on the WHO Pandemic ‘Treaty’
Global health expert warns of the threat of fascism from public-private ‘partnerships’

https://open.substack.com/pub/thenewera/p/dr-david-bell-on-the-who-pandemic?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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July 14, 2023 9:01am
hullkiwi

Yesterday Chris Luxon had a Get NZ Back on Track meeting in Warkworth.

You, wouldn’t know it from the MSM coverage of it….

But don’t take my word about the meeting, here is the link of the local paper, whose office happens to be across the road from the Warkworth Town Hall, where the meeting was being held.

https://www.localmatters.co.nz/news/opposition-leader-fills-town-hall/
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July 14, 2023 9:02am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Luxon is filling halls up and down the country. There’s your Preferred Prime Minister ranking. There’s a big one coming up on Monday, in Lower Hutt.
  
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  July 14, 2023 10:40am
  - The Redbaiter
    
    Tony Stuart- “There’s your preferred Prime Minister ranking”
    
    Agree that the preferred PM is an unreliable statistic. The net favourability/ unfavourability rating though is another thing. (as DPF frequently points out on this blog).
    
    Saw this on Twitter the other day. Claimed to be from the recent Curia poll.
    
    “43% (-1pt) of voters have a fav view of Hipkins, while 28% (+3pt) have an unfav view: net favourability of +15% (-4pts)
    
    31% (-2pt) of voters have a fav view of Luxon, while 37% (+2pts) have an unfav view: net favourability of -6% (-4pts) “
    
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    July 14, 2023 11:11am
    - Mark Hanley
      
      What the Luxon haters (i.e., labour or act supporters) don’t tell us is that hipkins favourability rankings are terrible for a sitting pm and Luxons favourability is historically very good for an opposition leader.
      
      Luxon’s intelligence and management pedigree has built the foundation for a landslide electoral win in October.
      
      Luxon will take the same approach in government. He’ll quietly fix NZ from the bottom up, putting the right talent into ministerial jobs (there are plenty of quality National candidates attracted by Luxon) , Luxon will set all ministers stretch goals (you can see Nationals policy goals on their web already) then he’ll put the measures, reporting and structures in place to help ministers achieve their goals.
      
      Luxon will prove to be the best prime Minister NZ ever had!
      
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      July 14, 2023 12:13pm
      - The Redbaiter
        
        Mark Hanley- “Luxon will prove to be the best prime Minister NZ ever had!”
        
        As a small govt low tax conservative (social & fiscal), here are just a few of the reasons I could never vote for Mr Luxon.
        
        • 100% commitment to Zero Carbon 2050
        • also deeply committed to NDC 2030 targets
        • firm believer in man caused climate change
        • wants more electric cars
        • wants more wind/ solar farms
        • “doesn’t believe in fossil fuels”
        • proudest achievement at Air NZ was electrification of car fleet
        • believes Auckland flooding was caused by climate change
        • wants fewer cars more public transport
        • calls co2 “dirty”
        
        Sid Holland’s party has been completely infiltrated and taken over by the green left. They’re National in name only. The real National party does not exist anymore, and that is why so many of us are feeling completely disenfranchised this election.
        
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        July 14, 2023 12:38pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Redbaiter. You’ve been asked before but chose not to reply.
        
        Who are you voting for?
        
        Here are a few reasons I will be voting luxon?
        
        1. luxon understands that fightng the tide of anthropogenic climate disaster is a lose lose. He would be mercilessly attacked by the despicable NZ media and the labour spin doctors.
        
        2 Luxon has cleverly managed the climate fraud by changing the carbon equation to include nzs hitherto uncounted carbon sequestration (wetlands and the sea, etc.)
        
        3 Luxon has used climate change to usher in genetically modified pasture without so much as a whimper from the despicable NZ media (hell redbaiter I haven’t even seen you cricize luxon’s master stroke to improve nzs primary productivity).
        
        5. There is nothing wrong with electrification. It reduces pollution and reduces NZs reliance on oil producing despots. As long as the transition is managed affordably (NZs ETS is a clever scheme which allows industry to reduce pollution using the most efficient means in a realistic time frame.)
        
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        July 14, 2023 1:14pm
  - Mike
    
    If it’s going to be a ‘big one’, Tony, it might not be too late to find a venue bigger than a church hall. Had he thought of booking the events center, or perhaps an open-air rally at the Hutt Rec?
    
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    July 14, 2023 11:37am
    - Manu-Rau
      
      Maybe he did, but decided that there was too great a risk that the filthy Labour Mayor of Lower Hutt, or one of his filthy Labour minions, would cancel the booking at the last minute.
      
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      July 14, 2023 8:52pm
Bridgenag

Failed Fledgings, Parasite Singles, Four NOs, Basement Dwellers, NEETS or Ninis.
“The Lost Millennials”: What the heck is going on?

All over the world, the Millennial and GenZ generations (and their parents!) have a problem. The problem is that a large minority of these “adults” are choosing not to work or have a career, not to date, not to own many possessions and to not have a family. They want to earn the minimum amount possible to survive and then live life on the internet.

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/failed-fledgings-parasite-singles?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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July 14, 2023 9:04am
- sirknz
  
  The rat utopia experiment springs to mind for some reason…
  
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  July 14, 2023 10:08am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Make the internet only available to businesses and academic institutions?
  
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  July 14, 2023 6:56pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

A post last night by Ghost needs reposting here today.

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/07/general_debate_13_july_2023.html#comment-3401332
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July 14, 2023 9:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I think the free lunches program is another form of vote buying. Parents become accustomed to this and like any welfare they depend on it.
  Some going to the pigs. Is this because the kids have their own lunch, or just do not want a school lunch? The latter imo.
  Who remembers swapping sandwiches at lunchtime – so you get a variation?
  Chees for marmite and lettuce, jam for left over gravy?
  
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  July 14, 2023 9:15am
  - rouppe
    
    It’s just the wastage.
    
    Quite frankly the principals should be taking some responsibility. If they are consistently seeing 100 boxed lunches (how much plastic in that?) thrown out each day, how about calling the supplier and saying “bring 90 fewer”?
    
    Mind you the supplier is probably paid to make 20,000 lunch boxes, and if they didn’t we’d never know and they’d pocket the money anyway. Surprised a Mahuta or Henari isn’t on to that
    
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    July 14, 2023 9:21am
  - Mike
    
    Your benefit is the biggest vote-buying program of them all, Steve.
    
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    July 14, 2023 9:23am
    - rouppe
      
      National Superannuation is not a benefit.
      
      It is a human right. Or if it isn’t, we should make it one!
      
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      July 14, 2023 10:30am
      - Mike
        
        All forms of social welfare are based on human rights. But just because some greedy and gullible boomers believed they were absolved from saving for their retirement doesn’t make their benefits magically different from all the other benefits we pay for from tax and borrowing.
        
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        July 14, 2023 11:31am
      - rouppe
        
        Wrong again. All forms of welfare are based on social good.
        
        Very few boomers didn’t save for their retirement. Your kind want to take those savings off us (wealth tax) as well as take national super away (means test or increase age of eligibility)
        
        And again, national super isn’t welfare. It’s income paid to an older person who contributed – or should have – to society throughout their lives.
        
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        July 14, 2023 1:30pm
      - JohnRidd
        
        When I started working, there was a compulsory super scheme that I paid into. Then Muldoon took the super fund, including my money, and spent it on “Think Big”
        
        The promise was that we would receive our superannuation from tax revenue.
        
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        July 14, 2023 9:46pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It’s not a benefit, it is a reward for paying Income Tax for 58 years.
      My Tax kept the State Sector in a job!
      
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      July 14, 2023 10:33am
      - Ian Boag
        
        Your kids’ tax is paying it ….
        
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        July 14, 2023 10:46am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        OK Ian Boag. If my kids are paying for it, what did all of the previous Governments do with my 58 years of Tax? Remembering that Tax is proportional. I think I started on about $1.55 an hour. Rent was say $15, food was about $15, power was cheap, petrol was cheap. 6 large (quart size) bottles of beer was a couple of bucks.
        So all of that Tax, where did it go?
        
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        July 14, 2023 11:40am
      - Ghost
        
        Your tax was spent long ago providing you with roads, hospitals, police, military and on your medical treatment, etc etc.
        
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        July 14, 2023 11:50am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Ghost, the roads thing was a fuckup. They should have lasted longer. Transmission Gully was being repaired before it even opened.
        
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        July 14, 2023 1:09pm
      - blue collar
        
        Bloody oath steveo !!
        Can’t confuse honest hardworking tax paying citizens with grifting , bludging , can’t get off the couch , slack-arsed , whinging, moaning , poor -me , lazy , zero contributing , gormless layabouts sucking on the state tit .
        You’re entitled to be looked after , after contributing so much , and anyone that doesn’t think so is obviously a bone idle drop kick the country would be better off without
        
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        July 14, 2023 3:49pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @blue collar,
        Mike is all of those verbs, all at once!
        
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        July 15, 2023 9:58am
    - leoj
      
      Well done Mike. Stepping in it is par for the course.
      
      Then again, maybe your excuse for being so poorly informed is that you don’t pay taxes as you are on a benefit.
      
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      July 14, 2023 10:45am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Benefit or State Services employee. They don’t pay Tax either. Even Govt owned Departments (Police etc) don’t pay Tax. It is all just numbers on paper.
        All Net Tax originates from the Private Sector.
        
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        July 14, 2023 11:43am
  - The Redbaiter
    
    Steve Otto(North Shore)- “I think the free lunches program is another form of vote buying”
    
    Well, perhaps it is Steve, but here’s an interesting press release from John Key in 2007, (he was in opposition) headed up National launches its Food in Schools programme.
    
    Whereas vote buying may indeed be part of it, the real issue is the erosion of family responsibility at the hands of an ever intrusive state. Marxist school teachers subsuming the roll of conservative parents.
    
    Key and National have never seemed to understand or care about this.
    
    Conservative NZ parents have been sending their kids each day to be indoctrinated by their enemies. Its why in NZ today there is massive division between young and old. Kids have been cleaved from their parents by the socialist state and have little in common with them socially and politically.
    
    National’s current Education Spokesperson Erica Stanford shows no sign of understanding this problem. IMHO people expecting change from any Luxon/Willis govt are going to be very disappointed.
    
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    July 14, 2023 10:57am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Dunno why you got two downticks for saying the truth. Must be some Marxist Teachers lurking around!
      “Cleaved” Interesting term. Part of that cleaving is Fatherless homes. Candace Owens (Turning Point USA) writes and talks about it. The same in NZ. Labour don’t want fathers in the homes. Labour want them dependent.
      Luxon is still leaning to the left but not so bad now. When he first became Opposition Leader he was almost welded to Labour. I think all of National need to grow up real fast.
      Anyway, back to Candace Owens. Worth a look. I have her book “Blackout” I follow her on FB. Fatherless homes and blacks leaving the Plantation. It needs to happen in NZ. Make New Zealand Great Again!
      
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      July 14, 2023 11:58am
- Ghost
  
  More labour government wastage
  
  Treasury also uncovered that about 10,000 lunches – costing about $25 million – are left over every single day.
  
  Article
  
  “In fact they’re almost literally feeding taxpayers’ hard-earned money to pigs,” said leader David Seymour.
  
  Tinetti said: “That’s a little bit insulting to be saying wastage is going through to pigs.”
  
  I think this is pretty common, down here they are constantly putting on Facebook school lunches for anyone that wants them as the students don’t. But it is common for the pig farmers to go and get them.
  
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  July 14, 2023 10:27am
  - The Redbaiter
    
    Ghost- “Treasury also uncovered that about 10,000 lunches – costing about $25 million – are left over every single day.”
    
    $2500 per lunch?
    
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    July 14, 2023 11:15am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That will be that roving decimal point again. The left are lost without it.
      
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      July 14, 2023 12:01pm
- wsk12345
  
  This bs about kids not being able to work without lunch is just rubbish.
  I could count on two hands the number of times I had breakfast or lunch in my 5 years at high school. Had a bus to catch at 7am so first meal was 430pm when I got home. My parents were self employed and didn’t have time to make lunches and frankly we were quite capable just couldn’t be bothered.
  Still got top in NZ in calculus in my 7 th form year.
  
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  July 14, 2023 11:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Math is not that hard if you get stuck into it. At high school I could multiply 4 numbers by 3 in my head. Bit hard now though.
    
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    July 14, 2023 12:04pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Not clear.
      4 numbers against 3 numbers.
      
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      July 14, 2023 1:12pm
  - blue collar
    
    It’s a cop out alright . Respect on the calculus brother 12345 !!
    My incentive was I didn’t get dinner unless I nailed my 10 maths and 10 English questions . Top of a major school at English and can beat anyone on a calculator for basic maths equations .
    
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    July 14, 2023 3:58pm
    - Jack5
      
      Some great scientists who were poor at maths:
      
      https://interestingengineering.com/lists/5-famous-scientists-who-struggled-with-mathematics
      
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      July 14, 2023 10:23pm
Scooter

I wonder if they’ll declare their shares in suntan lotion and facial ink?

https://twitter.com/htownlockeddow1/status/1679593015743217668?t=Dbe_Fng7mGr4S3ac3QTNMg&s=19
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July 14, 2023 9:09am
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300927553/man-who-dragged-elderly-woman-across-a-car-park-in-botched-robbery-faces-charges

And strange to say, a very, very similar incident is alleged to have occurred in a supermarket car park in town here.
Older woman attacked and thrown to the ground, handbag grabbed from car, man drives off.
Arrest made.
Don’t illegal drugs make such a grand contribution to our lives and wellbeing……
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July 14, 2023 9:11am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not just kids, the bastard was 46.
  They just don’t give a fuck, no cares, no responsibilty.
  The Dudge will be kind. Hope you heal well Liz Ensor.
  
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  July 14, 2023 12:11pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  The location of the attack was Merivale mall. It is the most upmarket shopping precinct in Christchurch. It has never even crossed my mind that I would be robbed in the car park.
  
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  July 14, 2023 12:23pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You don’t have a handbag Benedict…….
    
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    July 14, 2023 1:14pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  The legal drugs, especially alcohol, have a fair bit to answer for too.
  
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  July 14, 2023 12:41pm
Sarkozygroupie

🇫🇷 Happy Bastille Day! 🇫🇷
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July 14, 2023 9:14am
Surely Knott

40 year old man attempts hand bag snatch from 80 year old, and dragging her alongside the car. She is in hospital. He also is charged with 15 other charges from the same minth including car theft and meth.

Stuff says ,” Police did not provide the Press with the man’s name, when it asked about the charges…”

So police didn’t provide the name, but did stuff ask the name?

The media and police are giving cover to dangerous criminals and interfering with the process of natural justice and the public’s ability to inform themselves and keep themselves safe. And the ability to inform themselves politically about the state of our nation. We have a right to know who commits the crimes and their background. Is it a gang member for example is relevant to political parties policies.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300927553/man-who-dragged-elderly-woman-across-a-car-park-in-botched-robbery-faces-charges
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July 14, 2023 9:21am
Surely Knott

40 year old man attempts hand bag snatch from 80 year old, and dragging her alongside the car. She is in hospital. He also is charged with 15 other charges from the same minth including car theft and meth.

Stuff says ,” Police did not provide the Press with the man’s name, when it asked about the charges…”

If the courts do not give name suppression then what right do the media and police have to withhold this info.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300927553/man-who-dragged-elderly-woman-across-a-car-park-in-botched-robbery-faces-charges
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July 14, 2023 9:25am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Offenders supposedly have automatic name suppression until their first court appearance. It’s not the role of the Police to tell the media who they have locked up, unless it is a case where they have already published the name of the person they’re seeking, e.g. the Nomad gang member accused of kidnapping a woman and holding her captive for three weeks.
  
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  July 14, 2023 9:45am
Bobba Fret

So the judge finally says public are sick of ram raids.
“The public are fed up with it, the police are fed up with it … and people want tougher penalties for this type of crime.”
” At the time the man, then 18, was on bail after he was charged with an aggravated robbery, for which he was sentenced in September to home detention.”
There’s the problem – he was out on bail so carried on committing crimes.
“Judge Cassidy arrived at an end sentence of 14 months in prison.”
Judge said maximum sentence 10 years.
” however, Judge Cassidy sentenced the teen to seven months’ home detention. He was also granted name suppression.”
So once again, he is out in the community on home D, and will be able to carry on ram raiding!
Some judges need to be removed.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/retail-crime-almost-400-ram-raids-in-six-months-judge-tells-young-offender-the-public-have-had-enough/L7X4UDED5FB5PD74DEK7NJ5BZU/
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July 14, 2023 9:33am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Judge Cassidy should also be aware that the public have had enough of the judiciary handing out meaningless, insipid sentences, and that’s why they will support National’s plan to limit the extend to which judges can discount sentences.
  
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  July 14, 2023 9:51am
  - leoj
    
    If the wimpy, namby-pamby Nats had any guts they would not just limit the extent, they would eliminate them altogether.
    
    That is why double-speak Luxon is not getting any cut through. He and the Nats are pussy footing around the major issues.
    
    Luxon is NOT in favour of having a referendum on the treaty and its articles and principles and that is why the Nats can’t get more than 36% support.
    
    They are a party of wimps.
    
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    July 14, 2023 10:51am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I hope Luxon takes notice of Treaty issues before the Election.
      The stop co-governance roadshow/tour is gaining a lot of traction. There will be a huge protest gathering in the Auckland Domain right before the Election. Julian Batchelor is talking about wanting 100,000. I think it will be more. I am going. The Treaty is a rogue Treaty, tampered with in 1975 and 1989.
      
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      July 14, 2023 12:18pm
- hullkiwi
  
  ….and no prizes for guessing what faux outrage the next judge will spout, when this scroate will undoubtedly appear again in the justice system
  
  As you say, the problem is the judiciary who spout outrage, and then apply a sentence with a “wet bus ticket slap over the wrist”.
  
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  July 14, 2023 9:54am
- greybeard
  
  I’ve said this before and I will keep saying it: in my opinion the mobs are threatening the judges and/or their families, hence the stupid sentences.
  
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  July 14, 2023 10:13am
Sparrow

I have a question for the NZ Herald. Why don’t they make all their articles Premium. Very few are non Premium and those which are not seem to carry a propoganda message. I refuse to pay twice once through my taxs ( the government bribe) then again with a Premium charge. Complete waste of time opening it.
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July 14, 2023 9:51am
- leoj
  
  Easy.
  
  Give the Herald the famous two-up sign.
  
  They are simply an arm of the Labour Party.
  
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  July 14, 2023 10:53am
Taieri

“A woman who sexually assaulted a drunk man in a Dunedin churchyard will be released from prison next week after nearly seven years behind bars.”

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/crime/sex-offender-be-released-prison

Nowhere in the article does it say that the “woman” in question is actually a man.
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July 14, 2023 9:56am
- Ghost
  
  Oh really. Last I read parole had been denied.
  
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  July 14, 2023 10:02am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    The article says she has served her entire sentence.
    
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    July 14, 2023 10:51am
- Notsofast
  
  Sentenced as Alex but released as Alexa I see.
  
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  July 14, 2023 10:35am
- OlderChas
  
  Yes I read that twice looking for the trans word or whatever. Continually referred to as she, the woman etc. Does not say what prison he was released from either. Was it a female prison?
  
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  July 14, 2023 10:36am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Auckland Prison. So a men’s prison.
    
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    July 14, 2023 10:53am
- Opie
  
  Did she rape him with her penis?
  
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  July 14, 2023 12:19pm
  - Jack5
    
    Opie, in modern Woke-trans pronouns:
    
    Did ~~she~~ they rape ~~him~~ them with ~~her~~their penis?
    
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    July 14, 2023 10:35pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That sheila is a bloke.
  
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  July 14, 2023 12:22pm
Bridgenag

Breaking News: Biden orders to active duty members and units of the Selected Reserve
for deployment to Europe? Which European emergency

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/breaking-news-biden-orders-to-active?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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July 14, 2023 9:59am
- Che Guava
  
  The US has about as much legitimate national interest in Ukraine as it does in the Middle East – little to none. Why do American soldiers get called upon to fight other peoples’ wars?
  
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  July 14, 2023 10:10am
  - rockape
    
    You must be pretty glad they did 80 years ago down here in the Pacific region.
    
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    July 14, 2023 12:10pm
    - Che Guava
      
      Why?
      
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      July 14, 2023 12:12pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Protection of Australia, NZ and the Pacific Islands. The Japanese threat was real.
        I knew two guys from POW Camps in Dutch Indonesia? The Japanese were advancing. What they did to the US was piss off America by bombing Pearl Harbour.
        Anyway, American Troops in Auckland. My Parents were both drivers of those bull nose Bedfords in the Army. No Americans and my Parents would not have met, no Steve!
        So yes the threat was real. A lot just don’t realise how real.
        
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        July 14, 2023 1:33pm
      - Che Guava
        
        Counterfactuals are always difficult, but we’ve had American global dominance for at least those 80 years, and look what we’ve got: multiculturalism, transgenderism, post-nationalism, licentiousness of all kinds, social decay and so on. Conversely, both the Germans and the Japanese were very advanced and traditional cultures, although both have become US vassal states with little true autonomy since their defeat. The argument that, had the Axis powers won then life would have taken a turn for the worse, doesn’t hold as much water as it did in 1945 or the following few decades. It’s an interesting conjecture, but look at the empirical evidence of what US economic and cultural hegemony has wrought.
        
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        July 14, 2023 1:41pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is what Trump is on about. US is NATOs highest payer.
    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/nato-spending-by-country
    That is what MAGA is all about. Bring US troops home (not Biden style)
    More jobs more manufacturing, bring industries back.
    Trump was saying this way back. The US is not the World Police.
    Pull out of NATA, pull out of UN.
    Rant over.
    
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    July 14, 2023 12:31pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      NATO** ffs.
      
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      July 14, 2023 12:32pm
dubya

Female, you say?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/female-sex-offender-to-be-released-from-prison/V44AKKCKFNCYRJLF4G4CVAJOIQ/
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July 14, 2023 10:00am
- OlderChas
  
  At least the Herald refers to it (once!) as a trans!
  
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  July 14, 2023 10:38am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Looks like an obese version of Shaneel 😀 😀 😀
  
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  July 14, 2023 10:40am
  - Swifty
    
    ….but with hair.
    
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    July 14, 2023 12:05pm
- rouppe
  
  A “trans gender man” , referred throughout as “she”.
  
  Which is it?
  
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  July 14, 2023 1:14pm
hmmokrightitis

Back from a ride in the forest. Noted from the huge sign that in a couple of weeks here in Vegas there is an event labeled “Māori Science Fair”.

Think Ill wait for the Philippines Science Fair. Or maybe the French Science Fair. Foods bound to be better.

What happened to “its just science?”
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July 14, 2023 10:11am
- Swifty
  
  “Maori science.”
  
  Grifter alert! Danger Will Robinson!
  
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  July 14, 2023 11:36am
Swifty

“We gotta stop making sure that the rich live comfortably.”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/493700/te-pati-maori-says-they-will-push-for-capital-gains-tax-at-party-launch
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July 14, 2023 10:24am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  They want something that we have and they don’t.
  You will be happy and own nothing.
  
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  July 14, 2023 12:40pm
- Southern Raider
  
  Will Tuku Morgan and the Māori King be exempt for any wealth taxes?
  
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  July 14, 2023 1:26pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    As will all Maori Tribes. The Elite have all of that money and it will be exempt.
    
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    July 14, 2023 1:35pm
Jack5

For poster Mike/Milky’s Troll Diary: recommended dates of future Matariki can be found on page 6 of the link below.

The rest of us might find interesting, on page 5, the Maori traditions in calculating the dates. It’s about “the lunar month of Pipiri, when the moon is in the Tangaroa period”.

Matariki dates from 2022:

https://www.mbie.govt.nz/assets/matariki-dates-2022-to-2052-matariki-advisory-group.pdf
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July 14, 2023 10:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  In 2040, NZ will be no more. R. T. Rower will be governed by Elite Maori Tribal Rule – Tyranny.
  
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  July 14, 2023 12:43pm
Swifty

Food prices spike to 36 year high:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/493666/food-prices-spike-to-36-year-highs-up-1-point-6-percent-percent-in-june-on-month-before

I note too that there is mention of Putin and the weather as causes, but total silence on the last six years of Labour constantly burdening business with extra complexity, effort, regulation and cost.
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July 14, 2023 10:27am
- JackRabbit
  
  More importantly there is no mention of Labour “printing” 200Bn either. Govt is the cause of inflation by printing money, or in this day and age simple creating fake numbers on a ledger.
  
  Anyone who doesn’t know that govt is the cause of inflation doesn’t know history.
  
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  July 14, 2023 11:53am
  - Swifty
    
    Yes, good point.
    
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    July 14, 2023 1:39pm
  - stiff cheese
    
    @JackR, you’re right. The Govt is to blame, specifically Adrian Orr and Grant Robertson.
    
    (1) Orr has the power to “declare money into existence” with his “Enter any number you like!” ledger at the Reserve Bank.
    
    Using that power, he has ‘created’ tens of billions at a time, in order to pump money into the economy by buying up bonds, etc.
    
    (2) And Robertson’s debt-fuelled spending spree after the Money Box was cleaned out, was inflationary too.
    
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    July 14, 2023 4:33pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Few people understand the regulatory burdens that have been placed on farmers over the last 6 years.
  
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  July 14, 2023 2:24pm
Swifty

I wonder what the survey questions were?

I reckon they were not along the lines of “If it were to double your food costs would you like to see a greater farm monitoring and inspection regime established in NZ?”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/493686/consumers-want-nz-farmers-to-comply-with-regulations-better-monitoring-and-transparency-would-help-to-build-trust

In fact I’d bet the house on it.
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July 14, 2023 10:30am
Maggie Pie

A bestie posts on FB….

‘Captain Cook wrote in his diary that Maori had
no technological advancement over cavemen,
displayed no scientific endeavour of any kind,
and were the most backward people he had
ever encountered in his voyages of discovery’.

Yet we are suppossed to accept their stone-age thinking as science.

Happy MATARIKI!
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July 14, 2023 10:47am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I have read his journals. He never wrote that.
  
  There is nothing to be gained by referring to Maori as “stone age”. While literally correct in that they had not discovered metallurgy, the term is associated with derogation.
  
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  July 14, 2023 2:22pm
  - mogg
    
    Your feelings or facts. You don’t need to read very far to understand the appalling state of affairs in NZ before European settlement. There are plenty of extracts from official ships logs describing the horrors of life in NZ for everybody except the most powerful tribes, and you are upset by ‘derogation’.
    
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    July 14, 2023 3:07pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      You are missing my point. The debate over the school science curriculum will not be won by calling Maori “stone age”. I’m not upset by it. I’m just saying that if you want a rational debate about the science curriculum don’t start by name calling.
      
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      July 14, 2023 3:47pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I ran your response by my FB friend and she refuted your assertion that Cook never wrote that. She wondered if you had in fact really studied his journals in any depth – if at all?
    
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    July 14, 2023 3:25pm
    - Ghost
      
      Your friend *refuted”? Ewwww, you’re friends with Jacinda.
      
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      July 14, 2023 3:26pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I have read Cook’s journals. Every single word.
      
      Cook would never have used the word “technological” because its use as inferred in your quote did not come about until the 19th century.
      
      https://www.etymonline.com/word/technology
      
      The term “cave man” was not used until the 20th century.
      
      https://www.etymonline.com/word/caveman#:~:text=also cave-man, “prehistoric,+ man (n.).
      
      So your “quote” from Cook’s journal is a pack of made up lies 🙂
      
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      July 14, 2023 3:33pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        She thort you might be more au fait with Mao’s ‘Little Red Book’ than Cook’s dairy?
        
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        July 14, 2023 3:56pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        You are thinking of the wrong country. Anyway you can stop now.
        
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        July 14, 2023 4:28pm
      - Sparrow
        
        Totally agree. All this sneering of a culture other than your own does nobody any credit. Whether its the Māori elite putting the blame for all their todays problems on colonisation or pakeha New Zealanders criticising Māori for not being technically advanced. Lets all calm down and respect the benefits of all cultures whether it be European, Māori, Chinese, Indian or any other. Whats been at fault has been the complete lack of dialogue and for this I blame all governments they have allowed race relations to fester away sometimes to their political advantage. The media has been complicit in this. I have worked in many countries and have appreciated and enjoyed the different cultures whilst being proud of my own. I can’t remember the person’s name but the comment they made is so true “We are talking past each other” so let’s stop the denigration on all sides and”Talk”.
        
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        July 14, 2023 4:58pm
      - Swifty
        
        Give it up Maggie.
        
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        July 14, 2023 5:36pm
  - Handyman
    
    I agree with your comment re the use of Stone age. Maori had not developed any metal, nor the wheel nor any kind of written language, so it is tempting to describe them as less sophisticated than say the English of the time. I struggle to find an alternative term. Primitive, naive and under undeveloped have the same negative connotations. Is there a suggested neutral term?
    
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    July 14, 2023 3:55pm
    - Swifty
      
      Pre-industrial.
      
      Neolithic.
      
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      July 14, 2023 5:35pm
      - Jack5
        
        Pre-Colonial Maori rocked.
        
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        July 14, 2023 10:28pm
- wilderbeast
  
  Your “bestie” is making sh*t up Maggie. In fact upon return to England Cook was quizzed by the Crown about which lands he visited would make good penal colonies because the West African slave trade had dried up demand for British convicts on the US eastern seaboard. He categorically ruled out NZ because the Maori were too organised and too fierce to be easily subjugated and I’m turn this would make the rapid establishment of a penal colony difficult.
  
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  July 14, 2023 10:07pm
Ghost

The Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll taken during 14-15 June 2023, shows the following net approval rating (“Favorable” minus “Unfavorable”) for all of the listed possible candidates:

+21% Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

+9% Elon Musk

+9% Tim Scott

+8% Vivek Ramaswamy

+5% Ron DeSantis

+4% Nikki Haley

-1% Bernie Sanders

-3% Donald Trump, Doug Bergum, Ted Cruz

-6% Maryanne Williamson

-7% Kevin McCarthy, Mike Pence, Asa Hutchinson

-8% Chuck Schumer

-10% Kamala Harris, Joe Manchin, Gavin Newsom

-11% Joe Biden

-12% Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

-16% Chris Christie

-17% Hillary Clinton

-24% Mitch McConnell

Kennedy is tied with Trump for “Favorable” at 45% for each, but whereas Trump has a 48% “Unfavorable” rating, Kennedy’s “Unfavorable” is only 25%.

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July 14, 2023 10:52am
- rouppe
  
  Where Dwayne Johnson in that list? And Kanye?
  
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  July 14, 2023 1:08pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Was Dwayne not born in Auckland?
    
    Which would count him out for President.
    
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    July 14, 2023 6:50pm
    - Ghost
      
      Born in California
      
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      July 14, 2023 6:52pm
Drone

Every dollar paid out to an iwi for a real or perceived injustice is a dollar not being spent on health, roads, pipes or education. You wonder why we are a 3rd world country. If the tribes want to live in a modern country they should agree to end the rort. How about the Maori king calls a peace hui and invites the tribes..
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July 14, 2023 10:53am
- Taieri
  
  Every dollar paid out to an iwi for a real or perceived injustice is a dollar not being spent on health, roads, pipes or education.
  ———–
  
  And what happens to this “every dollar” after it has been paid?
  Does it improve lives of the iwi members?
  
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  July 14, 2023 11:39am
  - rouppe
    
    Some of them… Like Tamihere, Solomon… Folk like that
    
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    July 14, 2023 1:04pm
Fisiani2

What influences our vote? The cost of living? The state of health and education freedom from assault and the prospect of better days ahead. That’s a landslide for National
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July 14, 2023 11:04am
- Flossie
  
  The disdain for all things “colonial”?
  
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  July 14, 2023 12:03pm
  - rouppe
    
    Except the money. And the clothes, the kicks and the gold chains.
    
    Oh and the ability to fly to France, and stay at a top hotel next to the Eiffel Tower, and eat seven course meals from a plate with a knife and fork.
    
    But that’s not the benefit of colonialism, that’s taonga now…
    
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    July 14, 2023 1:04pm
- Prince
  
  Things that Labour will not want much focus on before the election:
  The Economy (inflation, BoP, Debt, Trade deficit)
  Health (Everything is worse)
  Education (as with Health)
  Roads (Potholes, no new infrastructure other than what National started)
  Flight to Australia
  Skills (see Flight to Australia)
  Unity, common purpose, confidence.
  Safety, Justice, Law and Order.
  
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  July 14, 2023 2:56pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

President Zelensky tweets his thanks to Mr. Hipkins for the 4 mill donation….

https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1679154155477168129

OMG – the comments 😀
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July 14, 2023 11:09am
Swifty

10 kids….

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/rising-cost-of-living-crisis-hitting-pasifika-families-hard-working-hard-poor/PKYK7E2HHBBOLAVH3NXVUNSUTA/

“But it’s our culture!”

FFS.
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July 14, 2023 11:31am
- rockape
  
  They are certainly hitting the poor taxpayer who has to fund their breeding.
  
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  July 14, 2023 12:06pm
- Countrygirl
  
  Quite likely they’d be better off in the Pacific Islands where their culture is understood and food grows on trees, and it’s warm enough not to need an enclosed house.
  
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  July 14, 2023 1:13pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  There are more than a few unanswered questions in that article
  
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  July 14, 2023 6:54pm
Flossie

Bit of good news! Dear friend who has been a “Jacinda Fangirl” since Day 1 has said the arrogant way TPM presented themselves on TV news last night re their possible agreement to enter a coalition with Labour has put her off! Don’t know who she plans to vote for now, but not going to be on the left side. Actually knowing this lady I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if she just stays home.
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July 14, 2023 12:01pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I think voters who supported Labour in 2020 staying home is a serious threat. In contrast how many ACT supporters will stay at home? None.
  
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  July 14, 2023 1:12pm
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    In my limited circle most of the people who voted Labour in 2020 (& probably since 1972) who are now ACT supporters are the same…
    
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    July 14, 2023 3:39pm
  - Jack5
    
    Whether NZ First supporters totter to the polling stations may depend on the weather on Saturday, 14 October. 🙃
    
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    July 14, 2023 10:17pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    …and that’s why Bernard, National/Act will win in a landslide.
    
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    July 14, 2023 10:57pm
Drone

Matariki angst has obviously struck many KBers, in itself that is no big deal, after all in the UK druids still celebrate the summer solstice at Stonehenge as they have done for thousands of years. But and the big but is that it is not a public holiday, it’s not celebrated by the media, and popular TV hosts are not crowing about the wonder of the stars or in the UK the sunrise. Created holiday, created mythology.
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July 14, 2023 12:02pm
- Mike
  
  Druids have not celebrated at Stonehenge for thousands of years.
  
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  July 14, 2023 12:57pm
  - Jack5
    
    Ah, Mike/Milky, were you at the Wellington “do” where Druids and Maori celebrated together?
    This is an extract from the site linked to below:
    
    Similarly, when celebrating the festivals with a grove of Druids in Wellington, New Zealand, twenty or thirty of us, colourfully dressed, gather in a garden and celebrate the festival while honouring the Druid heritage and respecting the indigenous Maori festival time too. Visiting Maori elders are welcomed, we tell stories, recite poetry, and sing and dance together.
    
    Re Mike/Milky on no Druid celebrations at Stonehenge “for thousands of years”, this comes from the same source:
    
    “When the Order of Bards Ovates and Druids celebrates the summer solstice at Stonehenge, for example, we are all robed and enact a formal ceremony amongst the stones.”
    
    https://solstice-tours.com/stonehenge-druid-pagan-solstice-celebration.htm
    
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    July 14, 2023 10:12pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I don’t have angst about it. But my reservations are based on it celebrating a combination of Maori mythology and indigenous knowledge pretending to be comparable to science.
  
  As I said elsewhere on GD, a new public holiday could have celebrated New Zealanders who advanced science. We could have had “Rutherford Day”. Think about the benefits to New Zealand children if there were events all over the country celebrating famous post enlightenment scientists. The benefits of such a National holiday would be immense. Indeed New Zealand would have attracted global praise if it had gone down this course.
  
  So Chris Luxon, abolish Labour Day and introduce “Rutherford Day”.
  
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  July 14, 2023 1:08pm
Taieri

And they all lived happily ever after:

https://assets.nationbuilder.com/beachheroes/pages/17789/attachments/original/1688864858/Final-online-PDF-pages.pdf?1688864858

Courtesy of the Green Party of Aotearoa.
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July 14, 2023 12:14pm
rouppe

Kiwi tourist stabbed in Vancouver.

Investigators are looking for a man about 5’ 5” tall with a medium complexion…

What the heck is a “medium complexion”?
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July 14, 2023 12:56pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Southern European. Italian. Greek. Also referred to as “olive complexion”.
  
  Also someone with a combination of north Asian and white heritage.
  
  In contrast to “fair complexion” or black. Or Chinese.
  
  I hope that helps 🙂🙂
  
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  July 14, 2023 1:20pm
- kevn
  
  @rouppe… Coffee (with milk) colour?
  
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  July 14, 2023 1:20pm
Bridgenag

Breaking News: Biden orders to active duty members and units of the Selected Reserve
for deployment to Europe? Which European emergency?https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/breaking-news-biden-orders-to-active?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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July 14, 2023 1:08pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…..

A lot of the girls at tennis think this is awesum.

Personally, I still think it’s gross!

https://trib.al/MobvDC1
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July 14, 2023 1:21pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  You should find new tennis partners in that case.
  
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  July 14, 2023 2:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nek minit running marathon when they know they are menstruating.
  
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  July 14, 2023 2:45pm
- kevn
  
  The tatts are more off-putting than the hair.
  
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  July 14, 2023 3:05pm
kevn

@bridge… The leader (head vegetable) of the free world speaks.
Strange NZ media don’t deem this important development to be newsworthy.

[Not sure of your level of understanding, but if you want to reply to another post, use the ‘REPLY’ link so your comment appears in the correct place. Your persistant use of ‘@’ is also redundant. mod.]
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July 14, 2023 1:22pm
- kevn
  
  ok
  
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  July 14, 2023 2:08pm
Swifty

What pathetic parents.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/mum-claims-11-year-old-humiliated-after-being-kicked-off-air-nz-flight-due-to-paperwork-error/MMV4WQQGOZEQHORHRTAJRPGRWU/

“He was at the departure gate waiting as an 11-year-old, traumatised, humiliated and embarrassed and just absolutely beside himself.”

Did he pee the pink frilly panties you make him wear?

Get a grip.
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July 14, 2023 1:37pm
Ghost

Argh,

Just got a political survey, things the labour government could do to ease the cost of living

Change industrial laws so it’s easier for workers to negotiate pay rises
Make childcare cheaper
Increase the minimum wage
Cut income taxes
Reduce fuel excise tax
Cap prices for electricity and gas

Measures they could take for affordable housing

Cap the number of investment properties someone can own
Place a freeze or a cap on rental increases
Cap immigrant numbers until we have sufficient affordable housing
Place further restrictions on foreign investment in residential property in New Zealand

Tax measures for affordable housing

When someone sells an investment property for more than they bought it for, taxing their profit
Prevent wealthy families from using family trusts to split their assets to minimise tax
Only allow people to claim negative gearing tax concessions on one investment property
Remove all negative gearing tax concessions on investment properties
Tax deceased estates worth more than $5 million to fund affordable rentals
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July 14, 2023 1:52pm
- Ghost
  
  Must be an election coming up, two political surveys now
  
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  July 14, 2023 2:21pm
- greybeard
  
  I reckon increasing production of goods for export would be a good idea.
  And encouraging investment in such enterprises.
  
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  July 14, 2023 4:04pm
Chuck Bird

Well worth 38 minutes

Judith Curry: “Relax, there is no climate emergency!”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4YUnZIKneY
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July 14, 2023 1:53pm
Maggie Pie

Here’s something else you may not have been aware of either….

Chippies mum has assisted him in writing a new School Curriculum that will force your kids to learn Maori mythology instead of world-class science.

https://twitter.com/OpinionistNZ/status/1679613663836266496
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July 14, 2023 1:57pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Just as bad as Mahutacorp
  
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  July 14, 2023 2:53pm
The Redbaiter

Mark Hanley- “Here are a few reasons I will be voting luxon?” (sic)

Think you would be far better shifting your allegiance to the Greens or Labour Mark. As for your enumerated explanation, no 1 is another reason I could not ever vote for the Luxon/Willis version of National.

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“1. luxon understands that fightng the tide of anthropogenic climate disaster is a lose lose. He would be mercilessly attacked by the despicable NZ media and the labour spin doctors.”

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This is a stark admission that Luxon lacks the intellectual power to defend against propaganda and lies. A weakness that means he can do nothing but surrender. His submission gives Labour and their media soldiers free rein to limit the boundaries of acceptable discussion, and lie to their heart’s content.

You seriously want me to vote for such a man?

As for the other three items (2-5, what happened to 4?) You appear not to realise the scientific/ mathematical implications of reducing NZ’s carbon emissions to 50% by 2030 or 100% by 2050.

It means NZ must cut emissions by 29 million tonnes (pa) by 2030 and 60 million by 2050. This means a catastrophic change in NZ’s economic condition and there is no possible way social good fortune can exist under such massive cuts to energy production, transport, standard of living etc etc etc.

Many scientific bodies say the targets are impossible to meet anyway.

The measures you example in respect of agricultural emissions are just a drop in the ocean by comparison to what is required in total. Just arrant nonsense really.

National say they’re targeting a polling level of 45%. They will never make it because they’re tailoring their polices to appeal to the left who will never vote for them, whilst simultaneously alienating their traditional support base.

Sorry, but National’s whole election strategy is just completely clueless.
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July 14, 2023 2:06pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Please view the link in my post of 1:53 PM.
  
  It is a video of Dr Judith Curry.
  
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  July 14, 2023 2:25pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  29 million tonnes is the weight of Great Barrier Island.//
  
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  July 14, 2023 2:55pm
  - blue collar
    
    Funny thing steveo !
    It’s also the weight of my TARANAKI THUNDER cash crop //
    
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    July 14, 2023 4:50pm
- blue collar
  
  Put Seymour in charge of national ; )
  
  Even the yanks hv said no to reparations for climate emissions to poor nations .
  
  And yes to cluster bombs .
  
  How good to hv a country that did what it wants , answers to no one . Right or wrong .
  
  Dreams are free in Nz
  
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  July 14, 2023 4:52pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Who here can decipher word soup waffle?

https://rantsofizzo.com/dominick/kamala-harris-i-am-dumber-than-a-i/
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July 14, 2023 2:09pm
Prince

Steal a car, drive wrong way down highway, smash into another car, which crashes into a third.
‘Police are considering charges’ !
Why bother, Judge will decide they can’t afford to pay, locking them up would serve no purpose (apart from deterrent of course).
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/300927828/fleeing-driver-crashes-car-into-oncoming-traffic-on-busy-highway

Maybe make them pay $30/week to the car owners of all 3 cars, until all costs paid for.
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July 14, 2023 2:42pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nice Police. They are ‘considering’ charges.
  Well that is a bullshit comment that means the Police are finding out the ages of them and does the driver have a License.
  
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  July 14, 2023 2:59pm
blue collar

Let’s beat the bastard a at their own game .

We hv to indoctrinate the kids first .
Get education back to basics , drive the self determination angle , bring back exams , actual writing maths English and science ……. And allow risk in the playground and peanut butter sangas .
If your kid is that pathetic that they can’t handle a playground without pads or someone else’s sandwich then for the love of decency , let them suffer for the greater good .

Start churning out intelligent , capable , critical , free thinkers who can apply a broad education into any field they choose .

Re write the current history programme , bring back banned books , and BAN any student protests . Kids protesting during school hours compulsory 1 month suspension .

Failure to turn up means the child is stood down , set a baseline of 90% and expelled . Make it the parents problem

Finally , get rid of participation awards , winners and losers , that’s life , get used to it at a young age .
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July 14, 2023 4:10pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Bring back ‘Bullrush.’ Go for the biggest prick on the other side and take him out. Now he is on your side!
  
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  July 15, 2023 10:06am
Drone

Today is a day to reflect and consider more than life, read the article in the Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/14/indigenous-renaissance-maori-hope-matariki-holiday-will-help-cement-status-of-local-knowledge to enlighten yourself. Pay particular attention to the to the paragraph :
“When the British colonised Aotearoa, “heaps” of the astronomical and scientific knowledge that brought his Polynesian ancestors to New Zealand by celestial navigation was lost, Makiha says. “Our books and teachings only survived because our old people were stubborn enough to move them around to different places so they couldn’t be tracked or found.” They are still looking for them…
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July 14, 2023 5:14pm
- greybeard
  
  Too much P.
  
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  July 14, 2023 6:09pm
- than
  
  That’s odd. They didn’t even have books or text before “Aotearoa” (a name that was not used for these islands then) was colonised.
  
  AFAIK, there were many people around trying to document their ways and lifestyle at that time.
  
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  July 14, 2023 6:29pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  No author. Who would put their name to all that dribble?
  Pass the bucket please.
  
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  July 15, 2023 10:14am
Andy

Kiri Allan back at work on Monday. Clearly Labour is scrapping the bottom of the barrel. And she is the bottom of the barrel.
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July 14, 2023 5:35pm
- artemisia
  
  She has apologised, sort of, as instructed. Going to get some extra support too, also as instructed. (Support is not what it sounds like.)
  
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  July 14, 2023 6:14pm
- kevn
  
  Having said ‘what is the problem, nothing happened’ now we have her offering to apologise in person to anyone who was offended.
  Oh, ok then…
  
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  July 14, 2023 6:36pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Hell hath no fury like a lesbian scorned.
  Believe me. I have seen it up close at the tennis club once.
  So glad I wasn’t involved. It was brutal.
  
  Just saying.
  
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  July 14, 2023 7:06pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Gosh, did they bring out the G&Ts?
    
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    July 14, 2023 7:30pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Nope. Scowns and tea old boy.
      
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      July 15, 2023 10:16am
NZer In Exile

Net Zero fantasists fail to factor in required storage costs (which are simply astronomically unaffordable).

The Global Warming Policy Foundation.
The energy storage conundrum.

https://www.thegwpf.org/publications/lack-of-energy-storage-makes-renewables-only-grids-a-pipedream/

https://www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2022/11/Menton-Energy-Storage-Conundrum.pdf

“you can’t get much beyond 50% of electricity from renewables without vastly more energy storage capacity than anyone can afford.”
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July 14, 2023 6:48pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Meanwhile:
  
  Cosmic Ray-Cloud Connection Explains Million-Year Climate Changes Far Better Than CO2:
  
  https://notrickszone.com/2023/07/03/scientists-cosmic-ray-cloud-connection-explains-million-year-climate-changes-far-better-than-co2/
  
  So let’s go bankrupt and starve over a bullshit hypothesis!
  
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