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Warren

It has taken years to change laws that were passed under Geoffrey Palmer former Labour MP and Prime Minister and it seems that we might be in the same predicament with another Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern after her opology’s over the dawn raids when she neglected to have the law changed to fit her staged opology to the Pacific Islanders who suffered from they dawn raids .
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/review-slams-jacinda-arderns-hollow-dawn-raid-apology-after-nothing-done-to-stop-dawn-raids/LDGTZSYFRNAWNA4EZAOIODJ3GU/
It seems Former Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s gift of the gab with most things didn’t make her ability to do the paperwork needed to get this into law, get the results needed to make the opology worthy.
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July 11, 2023 8:01am
- kowtow
  
  She had the gift of the garb.
  
  Her public persona was play dress up and gurn and te media pardy swooned over her.
  
  Behind the scenes there was an active coup against the constitution.
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:12am
  - Prince
    
    …And despite promising change and apologising for past transgressions with great theatre and media applause, she made no effort to actually change what was happening under her watch. She really didn’t give a stuff, so long as she got the media attention.
    All hat, no cattle.
    
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    July 11, 2023 10:36am
    - Ra Henare
      
      I think this summarizes it so well.
      https://youtu.be/3e_xsCpm8ds
      
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      July 11, 2023 2:43pm
      - Ghost
        
        Guilt tripped? Completely lied to and mislead
        
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        July 11, 2023 2:46pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  I had to laugh at the report on dawn raids to catch illegal overstayers. Its like me complaining that the cops set up speed cameras to catch me speeding.
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:39am
  - Ruawai
    
    We should complain to the Government that we will accept speed cameras but ask they be turned off at dawn.
    
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    July 11, 2023 10:28am
  - Paulus
    
    It has been reported recently that there could be something like 16,000 overstayers in Auckland aloe and not all Chinese.
    All Census missing too !
    
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    July 11, 2023 10:35am
  - peterwn
    
    There will always be dawn raids. The five reasons for them are:
    1. The person sought is most likely to be at home.
    2. It minimises the chance of other wanted people being tipped off that there is planned police action.
    3. It minimises the chance of evidence being flushed down the gurgler.
    4. It catches the person of interest off-guard so the person may blurt out more than he would normally do.
    5. The police have a big day ahead of them – getting the paperwork done and the offenders before a judge – so an early start is needed.
    
    The most amusing one was in London where Police wanted a rich newspaper owner. Mr Plod banged on the door. A window above opened and a voice yelled “Who are you? F*** Off. I will call the Police.”. “We are the Police” the reply came back. Not sure whether the Police used the big red ‘master key’.
    
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    July 11, 2023 10:37am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    The problem was that they were targeting anyone with Pacific ancestry without any reason to believe people in the household were in NZ illegally.
    
    Somehow that has now morphed into the absurd idea that, even when authorities know where an overstayer is located, they shouldn’t go there early in the morning.
    
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    July 11, 2023 10:39am
    - I remember when
      
      Targeting anyone with Pacific ancestry because – in order for the overstayers to remain here they were surrounded by aiders and abetters.
      
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      July 11, 2023 1:51pm
- nathie
  
  Oh dear … surely not another massive fail when it came to what Jacinda Ardern preached (and her public image) compared to the actual outcomes?
  
  How many is that now? Umm … clean rivers, 100 thousand new houses, ending child poverty, reducing crime (by releasing criminals!), covid response and so on.
  
  To wonder why her “tank was empty” when she quit – perhaps she was referring to her achievements or perhaps her integrity?
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:53am
  - KKKKatee
    
    A Nurse in every school. Never happened. All homeless off the streets within 4 weeks. Never happened. Such a liar.
    
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    July 11, 2023 10:40am
    - Ian Boag
      
      I’m sure we can count on the incoming NActs not to burden themselves with concerns about either of these. Or get worried about child poverty ….
      
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      July 11, 2023 2:31pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Lol Ian, Nats only need to be as worried about child poverty as Labour and the Greens were, and all will be fine. Because, at the end of the day, lip service to a nonsense measurement is all that is required.
        
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        July 11, 2023 2:43pm
- Nickc2
  
  Yes, she had the remarkable ability to promise everything but deliver nothing unless it furthered my country’s drive toward Communism.
  
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  July 11, 2023 10:09am
- leoj
  
  Labour started the dawn raids in 1973, under Norman Kirk.
  
  Of course Labour should apologise.
  
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  July 11, 2023 10:55am
- Jim
  
  It’s become ever more clearer that Jacinda Ardern was just a one trick pony…….’an expert in stage managed performative empathy’………perhaps more useful in the student Union or local amateur dramatics group.
  
  As PM she sought every opportunity to engage in this activity allied with associated dress up for added dramatics and bonus point global virtue signalling.
  
  However when the chips are down a Nation’s leader needs to be so much more. However her lack of leadership led to a succession of party distractions especially with race based politics; poor ministerial behaviour and lack of accountability; and ultimately an inability of government to delivery anything the electorate actually wanted. What’s more clearer each day is the economic distress our Nation is actually in, which is likely to last an Ardernity.
  
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  July 11, 2023 11:48am
  - mawm
    
    She wore a hijab and a po-face and the leftist world elevated her to sainthood.
    
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    July 11, 2023 1:13pm
  - JimBobJoe
    
    It highlights that she is a puppet dancing on someones strings. Who? Helen C, others? Who knows
    
    Labour positioned here going back to Goffs days as a potential leader. Put her in the womans magazines and created the image of the young(ish) woman who wanted it all: Family, career, side gig as a hip young thing spinning the steel wheels.
    
    There was never anything really there.
    
    But I think you will find that DPF sometime ago comment how she was across policy and smarter than people think etc….
    
    She fooled a lot of people… a lot! But especially young and not so young woman who voted for her in droves based on mealy mouthed promises…
    
    The Ad and PR people who crafted her image have been handsomely rewarded for their Paper Mache representation of a Leader… and I say shame on them for the damage they have wrought on the country
    
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    July 11, 2023 1:20pm
  - cmm
    
    Our Cindy a one trick pony?
    
    No she’s in a class of her own:
    
    The Zero Trick Pony!
    
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    July 11, 2023 1:37pm
  - Scooter
    
    Boy did Jacinda like to play dress up, looking back, the hijab and the cloth thing with the dawn raids is just so cringe worthy. Not something you’d expect from a normal adult, leader of a country.
    
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    July 11, 2023 5:50pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  So criminals and overstayers are now able to dictate the time of day that the PoPo are allowed to come and nick them?
  
  I guess it’s true, the inmates really are running the asylum!
  
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  July 11, 2023 12:01pm
  - Jim
    
    We truly are in an asylum, I feel more like Jack Nicholson’s character in One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest every day.
    Especially when an All Black Captain apologises to a pitch invader and then gifts him some merchandise to say super sorry.
    
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    July 11, 2023 6:33pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  It’s really easy to avoid Dawn Raids. All visitors to NZ simply need to do is to conform to the terms of their visa and depart within the allotted timeframe.
  
  If they like the place so much that they’d like to live here, then there is a process by which they can apply from their home country.
  
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  I have not seen a statement like the above from any politician or activist; or such a question from any journalist. On Morning Report there was an interview with the Minister and comment from a pro illegal immigration activist, but no balancing comment from anyone at all.
  
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  July 11, 2023 1:09pm
imalwaysright

Watching the tv propaganda about supermarket watchdog and power companies enquiry .
The elephant in the room is people can’t afford either because the government increased tax take by over 50percent.

The emotionally charged figure of supermarkets earning a million dollars a day excess profits (whatever that means) works out at 16c each, yet the government is taking an extra 30 billion in tax and rising .
That works out at an extra $14 each every day.
The supermarkets 16c doesn’t look too bad compared.
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July 11, 2023 8:10am
- slijmbal
  
  The duopoly excess profits supermarkets take in was baked in more than a decade ago anyway and as you point out is practically a rounding error. That’s not to say Clark\Cullen’s decision to allow the reduction in supermarkets from 3 to 2 wasn’t an immensely stupid one.
  
  Absolutely no contribution to recent inflation.
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:17am
  - The Other Enoch
    
    I have to disagree withe your statement that the Clark/Cullen decision from 2002 has not contributed to inflation. In 2002 centre of store profit in a PAKnSAVE was around the 6% mark and somewhere around 12-15% for Countdown and New World. Today it sits at around 15-18% for PAKnSAVE and 25-32% for New World and Countdown.
    
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    July 11, 2023 9:33am
    - John Loveridge
      
      Have you got a source for those figures? I work with a lot of supermarket owner/operators and I think they’d be quite surprised by those margins.
      
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      July 11, 2023 11:19am
      - The Other Enoch
        
        I have been involved in the supply side of the supermarket industry for over 40 years. Not prepared to divulge my source as I still have a small interest in it. However, I stand by my numbers.
        
        And BTW, we’re talking gross margins. Plus, I fully accept that gross margins have been scaled back a wee bit over the last 24 months or so as supermarkets have not passed on the full impact of supplier price increases.
        
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        July 11, 2023 12:33pm
      - John Loveridge
        
        There are a lot of costs between gross and net. That’s the area I’m involved in.
        
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        July 11, 2023 4:17pm
      - slijmbal
        
        @John Loveridge – The Other Enoch’s numbers are misleading. Gross margins are a nonsense number to use as they don’t include overheads. They do not include costs that have to happen and must be paid for by someone. NZ supermarkets have high distribution costs for instance. The only sensible number is net margin.
        
        Typical numbers out of the US – Grocery Stores have a gross margin of ~25% and net margin of ~2%, Packaged foods similar, Publishing 50% gross and it makes a loss.
        
        Worked in the supermarket industry at the head office of a chain (admittedly some time ago) and internationally net supermarket margins have been typically in the region of 3%. Pre the duopoly NZ had similar numbers. Post the duopoly and reasonably quickly these doubled. As the Commerce Commission only looked at 2015-2019 there is no way from their analysis to know when it kicked in but there were other analyses showing net margins ~6% well before that. Now, according to the Commerce Commission as of 2019 we were all paying an extra $1.60 per week extra because of the duopoly. Translating that to the 10+% food inflation we are now getting beggars belief. Assuming they keep similar excess margins let’s be generous and say they are now getting an extra 50% profit so we are seeing an extra 80c per person per week since 2019. I do the supermarket shopping it’s massively more than that. The supermarkets would have to increase their net margin’s enormously to be a significant contributor to inflation. No-one is that greedy or stupid. This is all a “Look Squirrel!” exercise by Labour.
        
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        July 11, 2023 4:25pm
- greybeard
  
  New board member elected to Commerce Commission.
  Pierre van Heerden has been appointed as Grocery Commissioner for a five-year term and starts his role on 13 July 2023.
  The Commerce Commission is funded through a combination of revenue from the Crown (general taxes) and industry levies.
  He will probably be paid about $200k per year, and will also require administrative staff, IT support, a car, expense account, and somewhere to work.
  So the total cost will probably be more like $3m for the 5-year period.
  He will also be without any power to do anything, despite his comments this morning on Hosking’s show.
  The Government would be much better-off giving this money directly to food banks.
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:19am
  - hullkiwi
    
    He will not stop the sharp practices of the FMCG/supplier and supermarket sector. The practices mean a closed shop to supplying goods to consumers and that prices will always remain high and determined by Countdown and Foodstuffs (& their franchise operators).
    
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    July 11, 2023 9:29am
  - The Other Enoch
    
    IMHO van Heerden is a very poor choice. He has long been far too close to the occupiers of the top tables at Foodstuffs and Countdown. I cannot see how van Heerden’s appointment with benefit either the consumer or the supplier.
    
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    July 11, 2023 9:36am
    - Swifty
      
      I wondered that.
      
      After running with the hares for so long can he now properly hunt with the hounds?
      
      Labour of course will say that makes him ideally placed – time will tell I guess.
      
      They said Tinetti, given her education background, was ‘ideally placed’ to ‘adddress problems in education’ and look where that’s got us.
      
      Snigger.
      
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      July 11, 2023 11:12am
      - zulumonster
        
        “They said Tinetti, given her education background, was ‘ideally placed’ to ‘adddress problems in education’ and look where that’s got us.
        Snigger.”
        Swifty – that’s not even remotely funny …
        
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        July 11, 2023 1:00pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        A snigger is ridicule – a laugh is funny.
        
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        July 11, 2023 2:17pm
  - Ruahine
    
    He will need an expensive electric car.
    
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    July 11, 2023 9:38am
  - miltonF
    
    Grocery commissioner? FFS…what’s next, a commissioner of clothing? A commissioner of used cars? What is this? The Soviet union?
    
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    July 11, 2023 7:06pm
- BananaLlama
  
  Socialists are retarded and think that printing money and taxing people creates more food for sale.
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:37am
- slightlyrighty
  
  This is how this Government operates. It claims that supermarkets are taking $1,000,000 in extra profit per day.
  
  Firstly, what the hell is “Extra Profit?”
  
  Secondly, Woolworths and Foodstuffs operate 515 outlets between them, which works out to an average extra profit per outlet per day of a whopping $1942.00 dollar per day, which puts it into proper perspective.
  
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  July 11, 2023 10:59am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  To paraphrase & repurpose an Oil & Gas comment down thread:
  
  So, what supermarket executives are basically saying is that governments—and activists—have got the wrong end of the stick: they are trying to reduce the price of groceries without addressing demand and supply. And that is an approach that is doomed to failure, as we will see when the same governments that berate supermarkets for their profits will subsidize the consumption of grocery products to avoid riots on their hands.
  
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  July 11, 2023 1:14pm
Chris2

Kiwiblog readers who watched last night’s TV3 news would have seen the lead story about the Pacific Island community protesting that “dawn raids” still occur. The story was bereft of balence.

In a previous life I worked at Immigration and only the reason for “Dawn Raids” is that is the most likely time to catch illegal immigrants before they go off to work for the day. Illegal immigrants mostly all work, they certainly can’t get welfare, so they have to have a job to survive.

It is a complete waste of tax-payer money to have Immigration Officers visit the homes of illegal migrants only during daylight hours – they are simply not there, they are at work – whereever that might be. And then, any neighbours who see the Officers visiting are on the ‘phone warning the illegal immigrants not to come home.

Of course the media will never include this information in their reporting, it does not suit their agenda. “Dawn raids” are the most cost-efficent way for New Zealand to detain and remove people living illegally in this country, and we must continue this policy.

Singapore has the solution. Employers who hire foreign employees without valid work permits are liable to a fine of at least $5,000 and not exceeding $30,000, imprisonment for up to 12 months, or both, per charge. They will also be barred from employing foreigners.
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July 11, 2023 8:14am
- Ghost
  
  I wondered if perhaps other criminals could also request that their homes only be raided when they are not at home or at a better hour.
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:09am
- RoboRob
  
  Yes. I see no issue with showing up before or after work.
  
  Question to all. I have always struggled to understand how these people work. I am assuming that they are not paying taxes / providing an IRD #. Therefore their employer would not be paying PAYE to IRD and not recording the wages on their financial reports. So when one of theses people are identified, is the employer in serious trouble for financial fraud?
  
  Seems like Singapore has penalties, I would have thought there would be serious penalties here too?
  
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  July 11, 2023 11:20am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I think but am not sure that IRD does not require proof of visa status to issue an IRD number, and they do not data share with other Govt agencies (there are good reasons for this).
    
    The other way is that an overstayer uses someone else’s IRD number, perhaps someone who has gone home or whatever.
    
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    July 11, 2023 1:18pm
Maxx

A city in Delaware has a proposal set to be voted upon which would grant businesses (inc trusts, partnerships, etc.) the right to vote alongside residents in the cities elections.

Arguably in NZ businesses contribute more to cities and regions than many of their residents and if as it is suggested we require Maori Wards to ensure representation, an equal or greater argument can be made for other entities.
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July 11, 2023 8:20am
Maggy Wassilieff

An absolutely scathing opinion piece about the Hipkins’ influence on the NZ Science curriculum.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-the-pm-pushes-old-time-religion
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July 11, 2023 8:22am
- Yabster
  
  turns out his mummy is knee deep in it!
  
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  July 11, 2023 8:23am
  - The Other Enoch
    
    Good grief, if we made this stuff up it would be called disinformation.
    
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    July 11, 2023 9:38am
  - Paulus
    
    That his mummy with the NZ Honours listed award ?
    
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    July 11, 2023 10:39am
    - backster
      
      Yep and guess who the minister of education was at the time.
      
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      July 11, 2023 12:07pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Yep and for services to sciences.
      You cant make this up
      
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      July 11, 2023 12:35pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  It seems to be the leftist way to increase achievement in education by lowering the standard to be achieved.
  
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  July 11, 2023 8:32am
- JJ56
  
  Perhaps the most significant point in this is the apparent role of Hipkins’ mother in this:
  
  ‘Rose Hipkins is heavily involved in research for the redesign of NCEA. As the NZCER website puts it: “Currently Rose is working on several projects supporting the review of the NCEA”… and is exploring “the implications of decolonisation”.
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  ‘A 2022 paper, Enduring Competencies for Designing Science Learning Pathways, for which she was lead author, states that young people will need to be educated in “at least two different knowledge lenses” — mātauranga Māori and science — in order to “understand their place and identity in the natural world” and “to live as ethically and responsibly as possible”.
  
  ‘It is clear that the acorn hasn’t fallen far from the tree in the Hipkins family. You might even say that when it comes to promoting mātauranga Māori in science and “decolonising” the curriculum, Chippie is a chip off the old block.’
  
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  July 11, 2023 8:45am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I hope that National is planning to kill this stuff stone dead. They don’t need to make it an election commitment. I don’t recall the Labour Party ever seeking an electoral mandate for this stuff.
    
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    July 11, 2023 9:10am
    - The Redbaiter
      
      Benedict Yu- “I hope that National is planning to kill this stuff stone dead.”
      
      Yes, so do I, but AFAIK, shadow education minister Erica Stanford has had very little to say on it.
      
      Think its a bit of a shame that there is no process available to make the fearless Julian Batchelor leader of the National Party.
      
      He has more courage in his little finger than National has in its whole shadow cabinet.
      
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      July 11, 2023 10:24am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    It’s actually refreshing to hear someone in government admit that MM and science are two different things, and MM is more about identity and beliefs.
    
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    July 11, 2023 10:45am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Maggy – sheeple are not bothered about this. Why are you jumping up and down? Majority wins and Labour was voted in with a majority by the sheeple of this country. So Labour can do anything they want. So enjoy the holiday on Friday and two tick Labour for a glorious future. LET US DO THIS.
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:00am
- Benedict Yu
  
  According to the linked essay, one of the principle architects of the new approach to the Science curriculum is Rosemary Hipkins, supposedly the mother of Chris Hipkins. 😳. She writes…
  
  A 2022 paper, Enduring Competencies for Designing Science Learning Pathways, for which she was lead author, states that young people will need to be educated in “at least two different knowledge lenses” — mātauranga Māori and science — in order to “understand their place and identity in the natural world” and “to live as ethically and responsibly as possible”.
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  Is this actually correct? The mother of Chris Hipkins is a leading proponent of this wrecking of the science curriculum. Chris Hipkins becomes Ministry of Education and it all happens.
  
  To the moderators.. This is not my allegation. I am simply paraphrasing the claims in the article at the link provided by Maggy.
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:06am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    It is correct Ben. Its to my eyes a little bit of a CoI (perceived) for Mum to provide formal advise via her Quasi Government role to her son as MInister for the sector….
    
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    July 11, 2023 9:30am
  - John Loveridge
    
    As a father with children still in the education system, the whole thing makes my blood boil.
    
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    July 11, 2023 11:47am
- Master Mariner
  
  Its interesting is it not?
  Until I see a Waka built and Navigated too Antartica and back ( Hopefully with a boat load of supporters / Enablers, Then and only then will i take notice.
  Until then , I will rely on proven Scientific metholodgy. Namely Celestial Navigation, Laws of Gravity and Thermo Dynamics.
  Why this New found Knowledge is even being contemplated is astounding.
  Really a race to the bottom.
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:07am
- Burtland
  
  Rose Hipkins is one of three Chief Researchers at NZCER
  
  Here is NZCERs mission statement from the CEO …
  
  NZCER’s Tumuaki | Director/Chief Executive is Graeme Cosslett.
  
  Under his leadership, NZCER is working to achieve its purpose by focusing on four strategic priorities that underpin our 5-year plan to 2025:
  
  Decolonising education
  Upholding mana Māori, whakamana Māori
  Improving equity for ākonga and equity in education
  Influencing the future of education
  
  NZCER is a 50 strong marxist organisation undermining the fundamentals of NZ society – all funded by the tax payer.
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:44am
  - Local Miller
    
    If they want to “decolonize” education, why don’t they just allocate Maori schools that won’t teach a western centric syllabus? Problem solved.
    Better yet, why not go back to whatever schooling Maori had prior to colonization, AKA “none”?
    I would prefer my grand children have a colonial education thank you, but if you want something else, then fill your boots.
    
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    July 11, 2023 11:06am
  - John Loveridge
    
    What the fuck, pardon my French, is “decolonising” education?
    
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    July 11, 2023 11:48am
    - mawm
      
      Removing the 3 R’s? – all that stuff colonists need to work and budget.
      
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      July 11, 2023 1:23pm
    - sirknz
      
      Removing anything that says “White people did something good” and replacing it with “White people are the worst”.
      
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      July 11, 2023 4:34pm
- John Loveridge
  
  The whole exercise is contemptible. I’m very pleased to see some strong denouncement.
  
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  July 11, 2023 11:20am
In Vino Veritas

It’s ok with Labour to have a school that uses the moon to dictate what is learnt, but no ok with Labour to have Charter Schools that actually improve outcomes for kids.
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July 11, 2023 8:23am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/07/te-kura-kaupapa-m-ori-o-t-t-tarakihi-the-school-where-the-moon-dictates-what-you-learn.html
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:28am
  - Local Miller
    
    So can thy read, write and do arithmetic?
    
    I don’t really care HOW you learn, it’s whether what you learn is of value in setting you up for the future.
    We home schooled our kids for about 9 years, and they all had different learning styles. One used to start at 6:30 am when I got up to go to work, and was normally finished with her assigned work by 8:00. The other used to lie behind the couch and work through his books from top to bottom, with the pile changing over every day. Today my kids all have a tertiary qualification, or 2 and are making a good contribution to society. This is the Way! (with acknowledgements to The Mandalorian)
    
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    July 11, 2023 11:17am
    - rouppe
      
      They should be able to count to 150 since they do math by counting pipi they gather.
      
      Oh wait… Do the catch limits apply?
      
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      July 11, 2023 12:41pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Local, this is Government run school, therefore the odds on the outcomes being superior are low.
      
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      July 11, 2023 2:47pm
    - Drone
      
      The problem @Local Miller is that you are “old school”. When these akonga graduate from however you describe the kura there will be no employment and no need to read and write or do maths. Even now the need for these skills is declining, very soon there will be no need apparently.. //
      
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      July 11, 2023 4:25pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  I saw that article on TV and wondered how those children will cope being under cooked in real world education?
  I don’t have a problem with teaching te Ao but do it with conventional modernist thinking so that when they are adults they are not lost causes to society.
  Maybe that is the point, these people want to isolate them?
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:47am
  - Paulus
    
    Presumably that these special children will just become taxpayer receipt people when they get old enough as cannot see anything to the level of their intelligence.
    Evne reading and writing as there are no such things in Maori, nor ever has been.
    Quite Stupid ~ !
    
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    July 11, 2023 10:44am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Unquestioning and unable to question, atomised and distracted by drugs and fun. Perfect consumers to buy from the big firms run by the global elite….
    
    The last 3 and a half years have made me very, very cynical and the more I see of WEF and Big Tech agendas the more the conspiracy theories start to add up…
    
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    July 11, 2023 1:25pm
  - pejhay
    
    Good on Chippie and others for getting us into Horizon Europe (European Research) – imagine they’ll all be blown away when they get to see through the Maori lens about how science really works…
    
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    July 11, 2023 1:36pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      There seems to be a complete absence of any mention of our International research scientists employing a Matauranga Maori lens…..
      
      https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2023/07/10/rnz-newsletter-overlooks-new-research-agreement-and-matauranga-maori-is-missing-from-news-of-this-agreement/
      
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      July 11, 2023 2:07pm
- KKKKatee
  
  The owner of the company has said he’s going to appeal this decision. He’s obviously unaware of procedure which got him into this position in the chest place. He’s in the wrong. I support the bus driver’s actions 💯 Imagine if there had been an accident. The whinging parents would be wanting to sue her for negligence. I remember being in a school bus and some boys were fighting. The bus driver had to stop the bus and break it up. There was no way he could continue driving with what was going on. He may have kicked their arses for good measure if my memory serves me correctly.
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:48am
Reg Perrin

My Wife had to take her Daughter to hospital yesterday in an ambulance due to a seizure. (Daughter is Intellectually handicapped) After waiting in the ambulance for a couple of hours and daughter having seemed to recover they looked at trying to get a discharge as they were told it was going to be still many hours for a doctor and the wait for a bed would be 30 hours (if required). Looked at going to a after hours medical centre and told it was a 6 hour wait and would have to be referred from the hospital. Managed to find another medical centre in another town that could see her. When seizures have happened in the past there was never any wait in an ambulance and if requiring to be kept in hospital never a 30 hour wait for a bed. (Maybe 4-5 hours from arriving) . It is stunning to see the change in service for what is the same issue
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July 11, 2023 8:27am
- Grunter
  
  I wonder what could be causing all this on-going increase in sickness within the general population? Covid rates are down. Covid deaths are down. Excess deaths continue to be up +15% to +30% each week…..
  Same thing happening in the UK, EU, USA, AUST, Japan…..
  I just don’t know what could be causing this????
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:18am
- Yabster
  
  My tax accountant who is of Indian descent, has taken his 1-year-old Granddaughter to India as it was a 15 mnth wait to see a public specialist and 2 mnth if you have med insurance. With 2 days of arriving in India they saw a specialist and treatment has started- whose a third world country again???
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:27am
  - Ghost
    
    There was a TV series, The Real Marigold Hotel. It was interesting how cheap and quick British pensioners could get treatment in India.
    
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    July 11, 2023 9:30am
- JackRabbit
  
  NZ public health permanently has a 25% shortage of specialists, no psychiatrists, and no dermatologists.
  
  The rumour that Doctors and Nurses can get +50% more wages in Australia is a conspiracy theory. The actual amount is double (+100%).
  
  And the promised wage increases and back pay here is an election ploy, kept back for several years, to be released just prior to election to get maximum media traction.
  
  The DHBs employ nearly 200 communication people to bullshit, lie and massage public opinion. Those tens of millions of dollars annually would be better off spent paying front line staff, and fixing the broken systems.
  
  The technology systems do not provide easily accessible timely and/or historical information for critical care.
  
  Thousands of managers, clipboard NAZIs, and arrogant IT staff, who wouldn’t know what a rectal thermometer was if it was shoved up their derriere, continue to create unworkable systems and processes that bear no resemblance to the problems they are supposed to fix.
  
  And the good nurses and doctors, many of whom I have met and whom I respect, and for whom their vocation is a passion or calling, are being metaphorically beaten around the head every day for asking sensible questions.
  
  Welcome to a composite of Fawlty Towers/Hotel California/Alice in Wonderland.
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:34am
  - Local Miller
    
    Until about 3 years ago I was significantly involved in one of the DHBs as a system support consultant, and at the time the systems were actually very good at this DHB and provided excellent information across the hospital for staff and patient management. One became acutely aware of how good it was when anything went wrong and the system was off line for just a few minutes.
    Nurses could manage staff from check in through to discharge from any station, including hand held devices, and were very aware of their targets. Things like time since check in were constantly monitored and balanced against criticality.
    IT Staff were hard working and certainly not arrogant, and understood how important the systems were. If things have gone so far down hill I lay the blame at the door of the current government and Ministry of Health.
    
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    July 11, 2023 11:29am
    - JackRabbit
      
      If things have gone so far down hill I lay the blame at the door of the current government and Ministry of Health.
      
      What, not the fault of 9 years of neglect then? ///
      
      Yes, it has gone rapidly downhill in the last 3 years. A few minutes outage would be what you should expect.
      
      Christchurch had a 5-6 day outage in critical systems in early May, and you heard nothing about it on the media. Took another 3 weeks to bring calendars and bookings.
      
      And that is on top of a days power outage, including backup power outage earlier in the year.
      
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      July 11, 2023 11:55am
- Handyman
  
  I predict an increase in medical tourism to Asia.
  Not because it is cheaper, but because it is necessary.
  
  I expect top insurance policies to include extraction costs similar to those terms in travel insurance. The clause is there to get people out of third world clinics and into European or American hospitals.
  
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  July 11, 2023 10:41am
  - KH
    
    Word from friends and rellies is the Asian medical/surgical option is much better in quality.
    
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    July 11, 2023 4:30pm
Bridgenag

What kind of doctor could possibly think that giving Queensland woman a fifth immune exposure to the SARS-2 spike protein, on top of the four jabs and six to ten natural exposures she’s already had, could be a good idea in any universe? What, conceptually and theoretically, is vaccine number five even supposed to achieve here?

https://open.substack.com/pub/eugyppius/p/quadruple-vaccinated-queensland-woman?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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July 11, 2023 8:27am
- JackRabbit
  
  It’s 100% safe and 100% effective, and 100% stops transmission. ///
  
  But like socialism, the first four jabs only failed because it wasn’t true ~~socialism~~ vaccination and so must be repeated until either it works or the patient dies.
  
  And the kind of doctor that does that is one that follows the hypocritical oath of “Do no harm to my income.”
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:16am
- KKKKatee
  
  Nothing. Sounds like the woman is a munchauser.
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:55am
- WaynelSexton
  
  The same doctors, that injected all you guys with a barely tested vaccine.
  
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  July 11, 2023 12:05pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Not this Kiwi. 🙂
    
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    July 11, 2023 2:25pm
Bridgenag

A long but interesting interview by Jeffrey Peel
The End of Covid
Alec Zeck on Germ Theory and other Covid Myths

https://open.substack.com/pub/thenewera/p/the-end-of-covid?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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July 11, 2023 8:29am
Cassandra

It’s extraordinary, isn’t it, that he could be Education Minister for years while his mother actually called the shots. And not a word from anyone! It’s as if we’re in a parallel world.
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July 11, 2023 8:30am
- kowtow
  
  “Jessica, then Tova”.
  
  That’$ why .
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:18am
hullkiwi

Over the years some of us have mused about the IQ of NZ voters, and whether there should be required levels of IQ before people get the right to vote. Well this morning I am going one step further, there needs to tests, qualification requirements on people becoming MPs and even most definitely being a cabinet Minister or even Acting Prime Minister.

There are many cliches along the lines of “if in doubt, don’t open your mouth, lest you confirm to those listening that you are an idiot” or “when in am hole stop digging”.

This morning, NZ’s Acting PM demonstrated admirably to those listening to Mike Hosking’s show this morning that:
She is clueless;
She doesn’t pay attention to events;
We should be grateful she is not Minister of Foreign Affairs;
It’s ok to waste $500mill on expired RATS tests, because Australia have got 500mill expired RATs tests; and
She either doesn’t understand what she is told when she is briefed or she doesn’t listen.

This woman is digging a hole to new depths of ineptitude or incompetence, it is hard to tell which!
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July 11, 2023 8:37am
- JackRabbit
  
  The RAT tests were never reliable, and under actual use scenarios produce random results. They were never evaluated or tested before use, to find that out. And that is clearly stated on Medsafe’s website.
  
  The government broke every rule in the test and measurement standards book, and ignored certification and verification process. Their decision was based on reading the marketing blurb, all because the PM’s office said so.
  
  They were effectively a placebo with about as much use as a baby dummy – to pacify the public, create false positives to boost fear, and allow people ongoing time off work to break businesses.
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:44am
- kevn
  
  @hull… Plus of course the truckloads of unwanted expired or close to expiring c19 jabs. Lots more expensive than the useless little plastic RATs.
  Add that all up and we will talking billions.
  
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  July 11, 2023 10:21am
- KKKKatee
  
  Imagine her becoming Leader of the Opposition when Labour get dumped in October? Scary as hell…
  
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  July 11, 2023 12:48pm
- mawm
  
  Hullk – allegedly 50% of the population has an IQ of less than 100. That alone is scary. Imagine having an acting PM who is on the far left of the bell curve!
  
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  July 11, 2023 1:44pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

61,000 dead from heat in Europe and surrounding Countries.
How many had underlying issues such as heat/lung problems?
Well, we won’ mention that. It is all caused by man made climate change.
Summer it gets hot, winter it gets cold. It’s weather on a planet that is still coming out of a mini ice-age, but if you pay higher Taxes the World Governments can make it stop.
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July 11, 2023 8:42am
- Chuck Bird
  
  There have been many climate scientists who show that many more people die of excess cold than excess heat. Therefore fewer people die of extreme temperatures with a little bit of warming. For me, I just turn my heat pump to cool.
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:00am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  According to the Green frog Shaw, if you tax people to death, NZ will remain cool.
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:01am
- JackRabbit
  
  61,000 dead from heat in Europe and surrounding Countries.
  
  I don’t trust any news or narrative from any source unless I see the raw data with all specifics.
  
  And in addition, all data has a context.
  -How many people live in these countries?
  -How many people die of excess heat every year anyway?
  
  When Ardern was jumping for joy over nearly 3000 dead from CV-19 in this country, she forget to include the context that this figure was the same as the flu deaths that conveniently hit zero over the same time period.
  
  And far less than 11,000-15,000 that normally die over that time period from all respiratory diseases, and related complications.
  
  And when NZ annual data on all causes of death after 2018 has mysteriously disappeared down a black hole, you have no choice but to smell a dead rat.
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Raw Data is on the google machine.
    
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    July 11, 2023 10:40am
  - mawm
    
    The first question is “How do they asses the death as being due to heat?” It surely has to be more than just “somebody died on a hot day”. People die every day from any of many different causes.
    
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    July 11, 2023 2:04pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      It surely has to be more than just “somebody died on a hot day”.
      
      Who would know, without raw data, it is unreliable.
      
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      July 11, 2023 7:48pm
- Raphael
  
  They’re trying to link an increase in kidney stones in kids (especially black kids) in the US to Climate Change.
  I suspect diet has a lot more to do with it than anything else.
  
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  July 11, 2023 10:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Well if it is not ‘climate change’ then next on the list is ‘racist’ Kidney stones in black kids is racist!
    
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    July 11, 2023 2:46pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Yep Steve, those nutters from Just Stop Oil use people who die in floods as climate change deaths. Even though people have been dying in floods for millennia.
  
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  July 11, 2023 2:57pm
Frank the tank

Forced to the hospital with pneumonia – North Shore. Staff amazing facilities third world – no bed 16 hours in. That said plenty of pidgin English telling me everything is going to be ok and they got this.

Roll on New Zimbabwe, roll on.
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July 11, 2023 8:45am
- Ghost
  
  Which bed was yours? Hospital
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:05am
- Lance
  
  I have been deemed to be needing surgery for a condition I have (no small hurdle to jump on its own), at the Horth Shore Hospital.
  Because of the delay and lack of treatment, I was admitted as an emergency case May last year to drain a serious infection the operation would have prevented, this required general anesthetic, but they still wouldn’t perform the procedure.
  I am coming up on my 4th year on the waiting list. I was told the surgery was only days away back in September last year.
  I strongly suspect I have the wrong skin colour. Considering the horror stories I am hearing, I am not holding my breath for this surgery to happen anytime soon.
  In times past I would have just gone private but this is not an option due to personal circumstances now.
  
  My opinion of this govt and their OBSCENE incompetence has gone from mockery, to annoyance, to derision and now to despisement.
  I have at least equal anger towards the MSM (with a handful of exceptions) whom are the enablers and propagandists for the govt. They have betrayed their profession, they are meant to be the gate keepers, the watchers on the wall but they have descended to govt sycophants and scum.
  
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  July 11, 2023 10:19am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I would not blame North Shore Hospital. They have been great to me (cubital tunnel surgery – funny bone ulnar nerve moved) Other elbow will be done soon – before Christmas. The problem is the lack of a surgeon who does what you need. Also the shortage of Anesthetists.
    This goes right back to Arden’s Government running the Health System down. Chippie can only be partly blamed – he was Health Minister.
    
    Hope you get what you need Lance.
    
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    July 11, 2023 2:55pm
- Paulus
  
  Was twice (4 days each) via different emergency medicine in Tauranga Hospital just recently.
  St John and all A & E Medical and all staff Brilliant, via direct access.
  
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  July 11, 2023 10:49am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    St John is the secret. Almost straight in.
    Turn up at the door and you will be behind all of those who won’t pay a Doctor.
    
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    July 11, 2023 2:57pm
kevn

So, who backs the school bus driver?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/i-couldnt-focus-school-bus-driver-sacked-after-waving-down-cops-to-warn-unruly-students/IS2ZCNEDGVHSJKBBS5BBYGWL6Y/
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July 11, 2023 8:48am
- slightlyrighty
  
  That would be the Employment Relations Authority who awarded her $20,000 for wrongful dismissal.
  
  Personally, I thought she handled the situation very well and she should have been supported by her employer. The angry parents should have been put in their place by the Bus Company and told that this was a safety issue, and the safety of our passengers and employers is paramount. We back our Driver 100%.
  
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  July 11, 2023 8:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ages of these students not disclosed but I assume high school students. Little bitches just need their arses kicked but the driver is not allowed to do that. They do as they want, knowing nothing can stop them. Parents the same – triggered that their little darlings were being oppressed.
  Bus driver should have stopped, taken the keys, and walked to the next bus stop to catch a bus. Leave the bastards there. She is not a baby sitter. Sounds like her employer is woke!
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:18am
  - hullkiwi
    
    The bus driver would have still got the sack. What the driver did was correct. Dare I say it, but it was a Health & Safety issue & the driver followed the safest course of action.
    
    Problem is the company is a commercial operation (& unless it is a MoE contract) they could be vulnerable to the school finding another operator. In short, the parties at fault were the school and the company management. Appealing the matter will only make the company (and Little) look even more stupid than they already are.
    
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    July 11, 2023 9:39am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    There is no mention of the school(s) that the pupils came from.
    
    It seems rather strange that ordinary parents would ring up the bus company to complain that police were required to settle the unruly kids.
    
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    July 11, 2023 9:44am
    - hullkiwi
      
      The parents appear to have rung the school. It will have then been the school pressuring the company. Rather than telling the parents the uncomfortable truth about their little darlings. Kids on and their behaviour on school buses has always been an issue since there have been school buses. If the driver is distracted because of the kids’ behaviour there is a health and safety issue, and what happened to the driver at the hands of the employer was just wrong and unjust.
      
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      July 11, 2023 10:37am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Not ordinary, the parents were triggered. The Police involvement – what if someone saw the Police with their little darlings?
      
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      July 11, 2023 10:44am
    - Matt Long
      
      The story I saw said it was the school raised the issue with the bus company as a result of snow flake complaints.
      Bus owner unhappy with outcome. ” This ain’t over.”
      
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      July 11, 2023 11:23am
- Ehlana
  
  If passenger behaviour means the driver doesn’t feel sufficiently able to focus on the road, of course the driver should pull over. What else can they do?
  
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  July 11, 2023 11:06am
Grunter

A snapshot from the article below. Once again, a 10 year old could do the maths on this! Germany and the UK have already knee-capped themselves with this nutty energy plan. If the US continues down this path then what is left of the West? China/India wins be default…

“China is benefitting from the green energy transition of Western countries as it dominates the manufacture of the technologies or materials needed for the “green” transition. Further, it is using abundant and affordable coal to generate the electricity to fuel the manufacture of those goods as its hydroelectric power—its major renewable energy–is at low levels. It has 5 times the amount of coal-fired capacity as the United States, and Biden’s new regulations affecting coal are trying to force existing U.S. coal-fired power plants into retirement. Further, Biden’s new regulations on vehicle efficiency will result in new levels of demand on the U.S. electric grid that could mean a doubling of its capacity. By Biden’s climate rules, most new generating capacity will be forced to be solar or wind power that require very expensive battery back-up to their intermittency that will increase electricity prices for American consumers.

The absurdity is that while the United States is destroying its own power generation sector and economy due to Biden’s climate agenda and desire to reduce U.S. carbon dioxide emissions, China is building more coal-fired power plants, increasing its carbon dioxide emissions and improving its economy and standard of living for its residents. Americans need to wake up to the U.S. energy demise before it is too late.”

https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/climate-change/china-will-burn-more-coal-as-it-supplies-green-energy-technologies-to-the-world/
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July 11, 2023 8:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  China has it’s own coal. Seems they import Australian coal but sell their own coal.
  While Chia sells all of this green shit like solar panels, they build coal fired electricity plants at two per week. Well that’s what the google machine tells me.
  
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  July 11, 2023 3:11pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Michael Obama is the most oppressed person on the planet. I feel sad.
Hey Michael, where did all of the money come from to buy those mansions in DC, Martha’s Vineyard, and Hawaii? It did not come from hubbies Presidenvy or you as First Lady.
He was gun running with Hillary right??

https://patriotsnewsstand.com/redrebelnews/michelle-obama-rage-tweets-about-oppression-from-tom-hanks-mega-yacht-in-the-greek-isles/
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July 11, 2023 8:49am
- Mark Hanley
  
  I’m not the only person questioning politicians’ unexplained overnight wealth….
  
  Oh, and is anyone ever going to look into where the Obamas got all that money while they were in the White House for 8 years?
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:07am
  - mawm
    
    Past Presidents for toeing the One World Order line – a book deal with a large lump sum up front (I think Obama got $80 mil. Poor Jacinda was short changed).
    US Senators – money laundered through Ukraine, etc.
    US Congressmen – money from lobbyists for voting the required way.
    Current President – from selling out the country to the Chinese, from Burisma.
    Bill and Hillary – any way they could eg pocketing the money for rebuilding Haiti.
    
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    July 11, 2023 2:19pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Whoever is writing the biography has not yet learned word soup waffle.
      Poor Jaspinda, short changed!
      
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      July 11, 2023 3:17pm
    - Mike
      
      You left out Trump and all that sweet Saudi cash.
      
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      July 11, 2023 6:54pm
  - Vory v zakone
    
    Meanwhile… any takers? 😀
    
    https://twitter.com/shaneyyricch/status/1669176588187975681?t=FX7Dw7sB999RDD-g_izRrA&s=07
    
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    July 11, 2023 4:48pm
greybeard

This bloke Larry Nassar who was attacked in prison was lucky he only got 175 years: a really tough judge would have given him life.
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July 11, 2023 8:53am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  In NZ 30 hours of community service with 29 hours suspended.
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:03am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

People in America are dying, starving, homeless, many with no job, and Biden gives away US$300M of vehicles as ‘part’ of their latest aid package to Ukraine.
So what next? Ukraine needs air power. Will Biden help with this while his Country is failing badly?
Putin has deployed nuclear weapons to Belarus. Will Joe follow suit and mobilise US nuclear in Europe? I think they are already there.

It seems Biden wants to leave a legacy – a nuclear legacy. He has to be stopped.

https://dailypresser.com/eric/putin-is-putting-russian-nukes-in-belarus/
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July 11, 2023 9:05am
- Grunter
  
  The demented Biden is bumbling along taking the world to the brink. He just keeps on escalting.
  
  WW3 is an unwinnable war, and most likely the last. The stakes are ridiculously high, and yet most keep cheering on these lunatics. No matter what your argument is as to who started what, it doesn’t matter anymore. The only thing that matters is how to de-escalate and bring about a negotiated peace.
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:12am
  - Burtland
    
    you got the wrong person as usual …
    its bully putin taking the world to the brink
    
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    July 11, 2023 10:34am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yes it is un-winable. Nothing like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Off topic, after the Korean War my Uncle (in the Army) went back to Japan and brought a bride home. Unheard of after WW2. But he was stationed somewhere and was able to get hold of Aunty Meniko and marry her. My mother sent her wedding dress to Japan as Uncle could not afford it.
    Anyway I ended up with 4 kiwi/japanese cousins. Aunty was in Hiroshima when it happened. She never talked about it much but she saw it all. Lost her family. As a result of the nuclear fallout she never suffered and died at 81. One of my cousins is on deaths door, inherited medical issues. Other 3 are just fine.
    
    The World does not need an un-winable war.
    
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    July 11, 2023 10:53am
    - Mike
      
      I was told many years ago that when any person dies who was resident in Hiroshima in August 1945 their name is added to the death roll from the atomic blast.
      
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      July 11, 2023 6:57pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        After living in NZ for 57 years.
        
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        July 12, 2023 7:37am
- Paulus
  
  My guess is that Biden is giving away anything militarily that is obsolute so the arms manufacturers can build more.
  
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  July 11, 2023 1:20pm
- Ra Henare
  
  You fall in to the common trap of thinking Biden makes decisions!!!
  
  No, its the puppet masters funded by the Military Industrial Complex who make the big decisions.
  
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  July 11, 2023 2:02pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING UK…

Family of youngster paid by BBC star for ‘sex pics’ say corporation ignored bombshell testimony over 7 WEEKS ago!

– The Sun (10 July 2023)

https://twitter.com/daikhood/status/1678329417054007298
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July 11, 2023 9:08am
- Paulus
  
  Told today that the insinuation of the UK sex offender, as via the Sun paper, is bullshit promulgated by the boy’s mother.
  Police have gone away too.
  Watch this space as more to come.
  
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  July 11, 2023 10:53am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Told by whom, on the basis of what evidence?
    
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    July 11, 2023 12:11pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Heck Albert
      Lazy much?
      A simple search of ‘The Sun BBC sex scandal’ gets this;
      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/10/accused-bbc-presenter-investigation-sex-scandal-latest
      ‘Claims of a sex scandal involving a BBC presenter are “rubbish” and untrue, the young person’s lawyer has said.
      
      It casts doubt on the story, first published in The Sun, that reported a “household name” paid the teenager £35,000 for sexually explicit photos.
      
      In a letter to the BBC, the lawyer says there is “no truth” to the story and nothing “inappropriate or unlawful” has taken place.’
      
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      July 11, 2023 2:47pm
Inandout

If this is indeed an internal Spark memo the author needs some instruction in using apostrophes. However Spark appears to be taken over by a certain agenda.

https://twitter.com/SimonRAnderson1/status/1678331166271893505?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1678331166271893505%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
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July 11, 2023 9:08am
- Ghost
  
  I’d say internal, but not a leak, they’ve had this ~~realeased~~ leaked to try calm the outrage
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:26am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “According to Spark, the violence in Albert Park was ‘an altercation between both sides.’“
  
  No. It was a mob of hundreds of crazed people trying to lynch a peaceful 155 cm woman. It is simple as that.
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:39am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Isn’t Shaneel Lal not much more than a bigot?
    His/her/their views are much more laudable, valuable and important than mine.
    Shut down any dissent with bullying and violence, says Lal.
    And outfits like Spark scurry to support this.
    
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    July 11, 2023 9:58am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I bet he / they is unaware that Kelly Jay Keen is returning to New Zealand in September. Otherwise they would be losing their shit. 😂
      
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      July 11, 2023 10:05am
      - John Loveridge
        
        Good. And this time I will be there to support her.
        
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        July 11, 2023 11:24am
    - Ghost
      
      Write Jolie Hodson and complain to her
      
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      July 11, 2023 10:06am
    - John Loveridge
      
      Quite right, Lal is a bigot. The irony will be entirely lost on him/her/it.
      
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      July 11, 2023 11:24am
    - kowtow
      
      NZME publish Lal regularly.
      
      I’m shocked that certain “acceptable” extremists are allowed and not others.
      
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      July 11, 2023 11:46am
      - Ghost
        
        Complain to the Herald, show them all lal’s vulgar tweets
        
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        July 11, 2023 11:49am
  - KKKKatee
    
    The transthug activists went there at the behest of Lal with the express purpose of shutting Posey Parker by any means, fair or foul. And so many women applauded it. Chris Hipkins would’ve been there as well, applauding the actions on the day if he was able to. It was mob violence against women.
    
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    July 11, 2023 10:36am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Yes. Very disappointing to see a Prime minister picking sides in the way Mr Hipkins did.
      Unprofessional and divisive.
      Just like “River of Filth” Wood. And Mallard before that.
      
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      July 11, 2023 11:48am
      - KKKKatee
        
        Absolutely.
        
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        July 11, 2023 12:53pm
      - mogg
        
        All of this trans extremism comes from the hard left,why wouldn’t he support it.
        
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        July 11, 2023 2:58pm
- surfing
  
  I’ve just caught up with what is going on here.
  
  Spark are a truly sick and depraved company.
  
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  July 11, 2023 10:14am
  - John Loveridge
    
    Telecommunications and other companies should just stay away from “social justice” issues on Twitter, or where ever the hell. They’ve obviously got these social media teams that run riot.
    
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    July 11, 2023 12:33pm
The Redbaiter

Nicola Willis on radio this morning praising the Labour govt’s appointment of a Stasi-style “Groceries Commissioner”.

More bureaucracy, monitoring agencies and centralised power, when what is really needed is simply more operators in the market.

This is the Deputy Leader of the country’s so called “free market” opposition applauding this appointment.

Where’s the real opposition?
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July 11, 2023 9:15am
- Inandout
  
  TR, then how about a ‘violent crime commissioner’?
  
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  July 11, 2023 9:33am
  - The Redbaiter
    
    Have you heard this guy speaking? On TV One, Newshub and Radio NZ he said exactly the same thing. A typical socialist flim flam agent.
    
    “at the end of the day”
    “level playing field”
    “enthusiastic and passionate”
    “once in a generation opportunity”
    
    All meaningless waffle that apparently goes down well with the average NZ voter today. To the question (asked of him numerous times)- “what are you actually going to do to bring grocery prices down?” he had no answer.
    
    Apart from a planned “Code of Conduct” for grocery retailers that will be a mandatory set of regulations they must sign up to.
    
    This “commissioner” is just a marketing scam to try and smokescreen the real reason grocery prices are rising. That is the impact of so called Zero Carbon act on the cost of fuel and energy supplies. An idea both Labour and National subscribe to that is really just another monumental scam itself.
    
    If all this isn’t outrageous enough, the govt has dedicated (IIRC) something like $80 million to prop us this silly artifice. Money that will most likely come from the GST collected on groceries.
    
    The Soviets brought Russia to a sad economic end with this kind of centralised economic BS. What a shame NZers (and Nicola Willis in particular) are apparently so ignorant of that history.
    
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    July 11, 2023 9:54am
- Paulus
  
  Perhaps because the person appointed is from within the Grocery Industry and will cost more money (est $3-4 million) and get nowhere until the appointment runs out.
  
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  July 11, 2023 10:55am
- Grunter
  
  To me, that sums up where the Nats are now at. They have moved towards the left from where they have traditionally been. They are probably positioned similar to where the Clarke Govt were, we just don’t notice so much because the looney Labour Hipkins Govt is so radically left.
  ACT are the only ones saying this move is nonsense. The real problem is our silly RMA that inhibits new players setting up in NZ.
  
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  July 11, 2023 11:37am
Maggie Pie

Who’s the woke clown filling in for Kerry Woodham this morning?
He seems to think “police should be ashamed of themselves” for still conducting dawn-raids after Cindy had apologised!

Good God. They’re criminal OVERSTAYERS.
We don’t want or need them here bludging on the taxpayer.
Do whatever it takes to get them out. SHEESH.
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July 11, 2023 9:45am
- nathie
  
  There is an irony though that the authorities are clamping down on what are claimed to be working people (therefore hard working taxpayers contributing to the NZ economy and supporting their own families) … when (other) authorities are dishing out taxpayer funding to the criminal meth peddling gangs (and “cuddling them”) when they don’t contribute anything directly to the govt tax intake and are wrecking communities and bringing up dysfunctional families (in some cases).
  
  How about a swap? Keep the hard working overstayers (make the Kiwis) and deport the gangsters to maybe the Auckland Islands (and strip their citizenship)???
  
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  July 11, 2023 10:05am
- Surely Knott
  
  Here is what they say specifically “An independent probe into the practice is calling on the Government to consider banning it for residential addresses — while urging officials to only use out-of-hours visits as a last resort.
  
  It also calls for the consideration of those, like children and the elderly.”
  
  So you can’t be picked up at home or outside hours. Would you rather get a visit from immigration at home or at your work or sports club? I think home would be the least embarrassing.
  
  And to say they will only get you at home between 9 and 5 means you just have to stay out of the house till 5. Then come home. Easy.
  
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  July 11, 2023 10:26am
- John Loveridge
  
  I was saying that to my son last night. They’re criminal overstayers. Why are we apologising for anything?
  
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  July 11, 2023 11:27am
Surely Knott

What is “far-right”?

This One News story says a “far-right” politician has been elected in Germany. The first since the Nazi era. Nazi Nazi Nazi.

What are his far-right views according to 1news:

1. opposes existing political parties,
2. doesn’t trust the media
3. feels there are too many migrants in the country.
4 wants law and order

I thought government funded and controlled media was a sign of far-right authoritarianism , but no not trusting or believing the current govt funded narrative is liberal enlightenment. But now I see in the new world order questioning media is far-right. Disagreeing with current political parties is also far – right. Got it.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/07/09/german-county-elects-far-right-candidate-first-since-nazi-era/
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July 11, 2023 9:54am
- The Redbaiter
  
  Sesselmann won by 52.8% to 47.2%. In simple terms he is 5% more popular than the candidate on the left.
  
  So how can a candidate who attracts such support be described as extreme?
  
  The reality is the real extremists are controlling the mainstream media. Originally designed to be one of the four pillars of western democracy the media has been fully infiltrated by the left and converted into a source of vile propaganda and lies.
  
  Looking for the reason our democracies are in such a shambolic state today? Look no further than the imposters and charlatans who make up the mainstream media.
  
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  July 11, 2023 10:12am
- mandk
  
  It’s simple: Far-right is anyone who doesn’t share the mindset of whatever Ctrl-Left person is pontificating.
  
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  July 11, 2023 10:14am
- jon
  
  Shock horror, perhaps TV One would be better reporting that the AFD party, is according to polling, the second most popular party in Germany after the Christian Democrats and asking why is this happening. They would soon discover it has a lot to do with the problem of mass migration and the current coalition governments inability to control it.
  
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  July 11, 2023 10:49am
- Grunter
  
  Do some people still watch 1News???
  
  Unbelievable that it is even still screening. Does it screen every night?
  
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  July 11, 2023 11:42am
  - Opie
    
    Yep, and you are paying for it.
    
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    July 11, 2023 3:05pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Surely, if you are not to the left of Josef Stalin or Mao Zedong these days, you are a Nazi (who were by the way, leftists).
  
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  July 11, 2023 3:06pm
KKKKatee

Jeepers https://twitter.com/evilarthurfleck/status/1678470166714396672?s=46&t=FXJyFvHy2FiqqPhWzU00mQ
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July 11, 2023 10:05am
Jack5

Should NZ just pull down its borders and let everyone in – and not just the more than 100 million refugees in the world – the UN’s number.

This might be the best implementation of an MBIE-commissioned lawyer’s review of dawn raid checks for illegal immigrants. This is the first of the lawyer’s recommendations:

The government consider amending the Act to specify criteria for out of hours compliance visits by INZ compliance officers and consider whether those involving residential addresses be stopped entirely, or made subject to judicial search warrant, or otherwise limited to specific situations, such as those involving public safety or matters of national security

Illegal immigrants will probably be working long hours, and likely under assumed names, so home visits outside work hours are the feasible way to check on them.

The review result is at the same time MSN reports NZ universities’ links with an Indian company in a student deal that concludes with an NZ work visa.

The student-visa citizenship sales cut in a foreign company.

Here’s how it can work (from the MSN report):

The University of Canterbury signed a memorandum of understanding in late 2018, allowing students to study in New Zealand for two of its master’s programmes.

It allows students to start their course in India and then travel to New Zealand to graduate while still qualifying for a Post Study Work Visa.

Details –

1. MBIE’s review into “dawn raid” immigration checks.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/493488/dawn-raids-review-urges-new-guidelines-possible-law-change

2. Company owned by Bombay Stock Exchange in deal with NZ universities:

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/universities-eye-new-tie-ups-with-indian-institutions-to-attract-international-students/ar-AA1dCyNH
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July 11, 2023 10:06am
Yabster

coming to Kiwiblog..??

https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/07/11/theyre-coming-for-us-we-need-your-help/
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July 11, 2023 10:21am
- Ghost
  
  It’s been around for a few years, Microsoft sponsor it and use it, surprised it’s taken this long to be rolled out here. Our media are so full of shit they may break it 🤣
  
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  July 11, 2023 11:31am
- cmm
  
  “coming to Kiwiblog”?
  
  Naah mate, it’s already here and has been for many years now.
  
  The post-Tarrant Kiwiblog is nothing like the pre-Tarrant Kiwiblog. Why? Mainly because DPF knows he must walk a fine line and is under this sort of threat.
  
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  July 11, 2023 2:00pm
Surely Knott

During the Covid Mandate era we were told by media and on this blog, that comparing Ardern’s regime to the Nazis was wrong despite the similarities: medical experimentation, state control, state funded media, 2 classes of people, carrying passports and banning the underclass from stores and business and work. That the Holocaust was a horrific atrocity so it was wrong to make comparisons.

So my question is why is it ok for Ardern to use the Christchurch atrocity as the brand name for her online media censorship project. By hiding her online censorship project under a cloak of an atrocity she hopes to avoid genuine debate, even though social media paid very little roll in the Christchurch atrocity.
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July 11, 2023 10:21am
- Yvette
  
  Surely Knott
  Indeed, was it not a feature of the Christchurch atrocity, that no discernible social media activity indicated what the terrorist perpetrator was about to do, except reputedly about nine minutes before he started, he sent his manifesto to roughly 30 recipients, including the Prime Minister’s Office, which now seems reticent to mention the event apart from the context of Jacinda’s so-called Christchurch Call
  
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  July 11, 2023 1:24pm
- mawm
  
  Why are we still not allowed to know the contents of his manifesto? I suspect it is because it does not fit the narrative. (To the Mod – I have never seen it and I do not know what it’s contents are, so this is just a guess.)
  
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  July 11, 2023 2:36pm
Yvette

Nau mai ki ngā hākinakina o te wā

Spain haka mockery ‘disturbing’ and ‘mana-diminishing’ – expert
A Māori physical education expert from Otago University said he is “not surprised,” but “very disappointed” after footage surfaced of the Spanish women’s football team appearing to mock the haka.

• What response do you expect when Māori themselves allow the cultural taonga war chant to be appropriated to be made sport of?
• Sticking out the tongue [pūkana] is a symbol of defiance and disrespect towards the opponent.
Pūkana and rolling in the eyes can apparently also mean “this is what your head will look like impaled on a palisade stake – enjoy the friendly game”
• Considering the actual words of ‘Ka mate’ I hope, in respect to another stereotype, that the reference to hairy legs does not apply in this case.
• in the current circumstance of having no really functional race relations commission, perhaps think “How would Sun Tsu have handled this? “
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July 11, 2023 10:30am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  ‘O wad some Power the giftie gie us
  To see oursels as ithers see us! ‘
  
  It is hard to convince many NZers that the sight of a bunch of yelling, gesticulating, leaping men invites ridicule.
  
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  July 11, 2023 1:29pm
  - mogg
    
    You are quoting a commie;
    “Let us pray that come it may as come it will for a’that,…..,that man to man the whole world o’er shall brothers be for a’that”
    
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    July 11, 2023 3:05pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You are quoting a commie;
      
      You haven’t studied Burns.
      
      The man was a humanist … not a commie.
      
      Don’t confuse folks who believe that we are all equals with folks who wish to enslave working folks.
      
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      July 11, 2023 8:14pm
- cmm
  
  It’s a stampy-stampy death threat.
  How is it really different from showing the other team the middle finger and mocking them?
  
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  July 11, 2023 1:55pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/300924844/newsable-why-donkeys-make-the-best-security-guards
This could be the answer to our ram-raids problem: put a donkey in every dairy.
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July 11, 2023 10:53am
Hugh Jarse

It’s a amazing that Dame Jacinda’s much vaunted leaderships skills weren’t applied in the case of the dawn raids. After having a blanket put on her head to apologise for events 40 years ago you would think that she or her Ministers would have thought that having raids continue would be a bad look and would have issued instructions to the MBIE CE to stop them, and to follow up with a question to the CE at their regular meetings whether any had been carried out ?.

It’s almost like it was all virtue signalling gaslighting with no substance.
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July 11, 2023 10:57am
- mandk
  
  It was entirely about virtue signalling and gaslighting with no substance.
  
  There, fixed it for you.
  
  Everything Ardern did was fake.
  
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  July 11, 2023 11:41am
  - kowtow
    
    Yes there was an awful lot fake about her and her regime.
    
    But by the same token there was an awful lot very dangerous , divisive and ideological.
    
    The vilification of farmers, firearms owners, landlords, car users ,the ‘unvaxxed’, oil and gas industry ,the introduction by stealth of all manner of constitutional changes ( dressed up as race equity) , emptying prisons , giving money to the Mob , destroying education and health systems with lockdowns and “reforms”.
    
    Etc
    
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    July 11, 2023 12:56pm
    - Yvette
      
      And of those issues, Kowtow, it is a challenge for anyone to name which matters –
      Went up in smoke in the bonfire of policy
      Were already passed into law
      Are swept under the carpet until after the election
      Or actually remain to be voted upon
      
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      July 11, 2023 2:41pm
- KKKKatee
  
  What leadership skills? She just proved she couldn’t lead a horse to water. Parachuted into a job she was highly unqualified to do. Look at the mess she’s left behind. She ought to hang her head in shame. Just a virtue signalling idiot.
  
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  July 11, 2023 1:00pm
  - mogg
    
    She wasn’t a complete waste of space, her tenure has made it quite clear what a big advantage being the incumbent PM or government is under MMP rules.
    That’s why Luxon and National are not 10 points ahead in the polls, despite Labour being mired in sleaze.
    
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    July 11, 2023 3:15pm
- leoj
  
  If she did “issue instructions” to stop the dawn raids she would be going against her own party who started the raids in 1973 under Norm Kirk’s Labour Govt of 1972 to 1975.
  
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  July 11, 2023 5:01pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Good news! Those Norwegians, mass adopters of EVs, climate heroes and all round trendy Euro good guys who we aspire to be just like, have abandoned fossil fuels and closed off all their wells.

No. Actually, they’ve just hit paydirt, yet again.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Norway-Makes-Biggest-Hydrocarbon-Discovery-In-10-Years.html
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July 11, 2023 12:22pm
- Inandout
  
  NMTB, we also could be swimming in wealth if the potty Greens allowed us to exploit our oil deposits. But no, they set out to punish farmers for being efficient.
  
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  July 11, 2023 1:13pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    And our Gold!
    
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    July 11, 2023 2:57pm
Maggie Pie

See where ‘TATOU’ Group is back in the news

Another lazy $774k spent on an ad campaign for the MoE that ‘was not going to have any quantifiable outcome on attendance rates’.

Hmmm…these are the sort of clients that Ad Agencies dream of 😎

https://twitter.com/CranmerWrites/status/1678510295520792577
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July 11, 2023 12:24pm
- cmm
  
  Which is why they were donors to Labour.
  
  That investment of $10k or $115k or whatever it was paid off handsomely.
  
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  July 11, 2023 1:52pm
Ghost

Labour’s support has crashed to its lowest point in at least four years in the latest Talbot Mills corporate poll, tumbling four points to 31 per cent, its lowest rating in that poll since at least 2019.

National rose one point to 36 per cent, as did likely governing partner Act which is on 12 per cent.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/labour-and-chris-hipkins-crash-in-latest-poll-gap-with-national-widest-since-2017/R6MWQK2TQBGK5FY3ZKOEYGVYPU/
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July 11, 2023 12:28pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  This gives National and ACT 63 seats.
  
  Labour, Greens and TPM, 57 seats.
  
  and this is Labour’s polling company! Puts the 7% TPM had in the Roy Morgan into context….
  
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  July 11, 2023 12:39pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Labour down five points, and Hipkins down six points. That’s going to be a bitter pill for Labour’s remaining shills to swallow.
    
    And of course it won’t take into account the latest round of price rises consequent to petrol going up on 1st July. The nervous Labour back bench just got a whole lot more desperate, with a few more MP’s facing political oblivion in 97 days time.
    
    Sure, this is only one poll, but lets watch the trend now as Kantar, Reid Research, Curia and Roy Morgan poll over the next month and see if it is repeated.
    
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    July 11, 2023 1:22pm
    - kowtow
      
      Price rises , science education fiasco, continued high profile crime stories ( Leary etc) Henare potential conflict of interest ,it’s also very bad on the health front , both hospital and gp s being hammered by a very bad flu season
      
      It all must flow through to this regime’s demise .
      
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      July 11, 2023 1:38pm
    - cmm
      
      The last time they were in the shit this deep was just before the 2017 elections. A swap to Cindy bumped them up about 15%. Bribe Winnie and they were over the line.
      
      So the question are: Does Labour have a second Cindy in their back pocket? Would they try a hot swap?
      
      Their top sheila is Carmel Sepuloni. Would they try her out?
      
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      July 11, 2023 1:47pm
      - JerJer
        
        Please do, That would awesome. She would be the equivalent of a free hit.
        
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        July 11, 2023 2:35pm
      - leoj
        
        Different situation then as they were in opposition and the voters were tired of nine years of a rock star economy.
        
        Only Winston fucked it up for the entire country.
        
        This entire shambles of a government is due to Winston’s [no need for that – mod] brain.
        
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        July 11, 2023 5:05pm
  - kowtow
    
    And while Luxon continues to not poll well as preferred PM , once in his ratings will rise .
    The electorate is a very fickle beast.
    
    But all good , going in the right direction .
    
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    July 11, 2023 1:22pm
    - Flossie
      
      As is often mentioned H Clark was never anyone’s idea of a popular PM but her government did okay. Heck – I even voted for them once!
      The popular leader thing is vastly over rated…we’re not electing a President (thank goodness)
      Anyway great news in that new poll!!
      
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      July 11, 2023 2:15pm
    - Biscuit
      
      kowtow, I really don’t know why they bother with ‘Preferred Prime Minister’.
      
      Before Winston anointed St. Jacinda, she’d have featured nowhere in such a poll.
      
      Similarly, before the Saintess tossed her toys out of the cot and ran, Chippie from The Hutt would have been nowhere in a poll taken at that time.
      
      You just know that, should the Centre Right get in in October, Mr Luxon will be running at 35 to 40 in the first post-Election poll…
      
      Incumbency matters…
      
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      July 11, 2023 2:57pm
      - Swifty
        
        Yep, it’s all about name recognition I believe.
        
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        July 11, 2023 3:26pm
    - sirknz
      
      Let’s face it, the ‘preferred PM’ question could be better phrased as “I recognise that name and have heard it most recently in the media, today”.
      
      It doesn’t indicate anything else.
      
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      July 11, 2023 4:05pm
- greybeard
  
  “Te Pati Maori scored 4.2 per cent, NZ First was on 4 per cent, and TOP was on 2.9 per cent.”
  I simply do not believe that these 3 parties have that kind of support: the pollsters must be concentrating on people living in North Auckland. As for TOP, this figure is ludicrous. At the last election Maori 1.2%, TOP 1.5%, NZF 2.6%
  
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  July 11, 2023 1:39pm
  - Biscuit
    
    Agreed, greybeard…
    
    And STILL I have yet to ever be invited for my opinion by ANY pollster…
    
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    July 11, 2023 2:59pm
  - mogg
    
    It’s the protest vote at play, Winston will be licking his lips.
    
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    July 11, 2023 3:20pm
- Handyman
  
  I think our host provided some previous analysis of the difference between preferred PM rates in govt vs opposition at this stage of the election cycle.
  
  Hipkins is the 4th worst incumbent PM (of 14) and Luxon is he 4th best opposition leader (of 14).
  
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  July 11, 2023 1:43pm
- JerJer
  
  Where is sir cullens halfwit today. Yesterday he was pridicting Labour on 40%.
  
  This poll is just the start of their rout.
  
  I see in the Australian today they are comparing Chippies lot to the Titan submersable..operated by fools and about to implode….
  
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  July 11, 2023 2:34pm
  - kevn
    
    @Jer… In the 20’s most likely.
    
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    July 11, 2023 5:30pm
  - Colville
    
    You really dont understand Sir Cullen at all do you…..
    
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    July 11, 2023 7:22pm
- zulumonster
  
  Once again the gap in Preferred Prime Minister is highlighted.
  It is of course a meaningless measure, Hipkins could poll at 100% Preferred Prime Minister but still wouldn’t be Prime Minister if his feckless party doesn’t win enough votes (along with others) to govern
  
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  July 11, 2023 3:06pm
- ecco
  
  Obviously designed to mobilise Labour supporters, (ie all people at the trough or receiving government payments they don’t deserve) to vote.
  Nevertheless a desperate bottom of the barrel move.
  
  Blatantly obvious by the commentary from Talbot. Basically a message – ‘if you don’t get out and vote Labour you will lose all your handouts.’
  
  Evidence that this is the motive is that $$tuffed are now running an article on the result. Of course they haven’t opened up the comments as they know they would get a flogging if they do that.
  
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  July 11, 2023 6:36pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Here’s the nub of the matter:

“So, what Big Oil executives are basically saying is that governments—and activists—have got the wrong end of the stick: they are trying to reduce the supply of oil and gas without addressing demand. And that is an approach that is doomed to failure, as we saw last year when the same governments that berated Big Oil for its profits subsidized the consumption of Big Oil’s products to avoid riots on their hands.

Meanwhile, at another recent event, other Big Oil executives dared speak a truth that few leaders in the West would even acknowledge in private. That truth amounts to the fact that oil and gas are going nowhere in the next few decades, no matter what green transition plans governments are making.

“We think the biggest realization that should come out of this conference … is oil and gas are needed for decades to come,” is how Hess Corp.’s John Hess put it. “Energy transition is going to take a lot longer, it’s going to cost a lot more money and need new technologies that don’t even exist today.”

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Big-Oils-Radical-Proposal-Curtail-Consumption-Not-Production.html
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July 11, 2023 12:28pm
- I remember when
  
  Depression:
  Driving past numerous fuel pumps looking for the EV recharger station.
  
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  July 11, 2023 2:20pm
surfing

Was listening to Carmel Sepuloni on Hosking this morning… she isn’t too bright? Hosking was having to nurse her through questions as she kept misunderstanding things.
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July 11, 2023 12:32pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  She’s not the sharpest saw in the workshop…
  
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  July 11, 2023 1:16pm
- greybeard
  
  She is acting PM because Hipkins is away. Hipkins is PM because Ardern chucked it in. Ardern was there because Winston had a brain fade.
  Does that clarify things for you ?
  
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  July 11, 2023 1:41pm
  - Biscuit
    
    ANOTHER brainfade, greybeard.
    
    The silly old sod, I see, is up to 4% in the day’s poll.
    
    I bet he is clearing space in his home for some more of those baubles he always claims not to be seeking…
    
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    July 11, 2023 2:42pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Peters didn’t have a brain fade greybeard. What he did was absolutely deliberate. The guy is a charlatan and a grifter.
    
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    July 11, 2023 3:15pm
    - kowtow
      
      Amazing that up to 4% still don’t /can’t see that.
      
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      July 11, 2023 5:10pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Compared to Labour and National voters supporting parties who tried to outdo each other for who could abuse the anti vaxxers the hardest?
        Yip, yip, that’s what it is……
        
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        July 11, 2023 8:17pm
- Grunter
  
  I didn’t hear the start of the interview, I initially thought Hosking was interviewing a high school student about world events…..
  
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  July 11, 2023 1:51pm
- I remember when
  
  The price of diversity.
  
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  July 11, 2023 2:15pm
- Opie
  
  If you are bored…
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/carmel-sepuloni-acting-prime-minister-says-chris-hipkins-would-like-to-meet-volodymyr-zelenskyy-if-logistics-allow/
  
  She is not very clever. Let’s hope no one leaves the oven on while she is in charge.
  
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  July 11, 2023 3:18pm
Martonman

The tide has turned.
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July 11, 2023 12:48pm
- kowtow
  
  When the tide goes out you get to see who’s been swimming naked ; Labour and Greens; naked and ugly .
  
  It’s taken a long time for people to get woke to them though , and the damage has been immense.
  
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  July 11, 2023 1:34pm
KKKKatee

Such utter nonsense being forced upon as the new normal. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0b1xLmABTcZD9HPGVd9Z6udj5CDM4wkQFNE4hT3XTqEUxyt7PfZ6QeWUtRk5eCeFhl&id=503335056&mibextid=qC1gEa
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July 11, 2023 1:16pm
cmm

I’m taking this week off.
As I am self-employed, I won’t be earning anything. Nor will I be paying any income tax.
What an awesome feeling!
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July 11, 2023 1:39pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Will Labour find a big bogey-man to scare us with before October 14th?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/07/risks-to-new-zealand-s-security-as-global-outlooks-change-region-becomes-central-theatre-new-foreign-ministry-report-says.html
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July 11, 2023 1:40pm
- cmm
  
  The problem with finding a bogey man under the bed is that they then have to sell us on the second part….
  
  That Labour is better at chasing away bogeymen than National.
  
  Somehow I doubt that’s an effective sell.
  
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  July 11, 2023 1:50pm
I remember when

‘Chinese storm’ looming over Europe’s EV sector, Renault chairman warns.
China’s decision to restrict gallium and germanium exports shows Europe’s over-reliance on China.
Mentions strong pressure of Chinese EV imports into Europe.
Europe capable of making EVs but fighting to ensure safety of supplies.
Damage to battery factories solely powered by products coming from outside.
Setting up alternative facilities would take a couple of years and not be rewarded if China were to change their stance.
Inventories outside China are nothing more than 6 months at best.

Hydrogen or synthetic fuel anyone?
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July 11, 2023 2:02pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Zeihan on Geopolitics discussing this
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ8zSljxJZE&t=5s
  
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  July 11, 2023 3:08pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Hydrogen or synthetic fuel anyone?
  Petrol will do me.
  
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  July 11, 2023 5:07pm
I remember when

Shaw announces better recognition of carbon sinks: Newsroom.
His speech was sombre and warned that the twin climate and biodiversity crises are only getting worse.

Interesting fact from article:
New Zealand is one of just two countries that have limited sequestration to forests.
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July 11, 2023 2:09pm
- kowtow
  
  Interesting fact;
  
  man can’t make one bit of difference to the sun’s cycles or the planet’s orbit.
  
  But politicians will still do their best to crush us.
  
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  July 11, 2023 2:58pm
Swifty

Utterly pathetic. Truly cringeworthy. A total embarrassment. Unheard of incompetence.

While for weeks Labour basked in the glow of Ardern prostrating herself before the Pacific community, indeed the nation, for the dawn raids – not one member of her ‘brimming with talent’ caucus thought to ask one simple question ‘is this still happening?’

And because they didn’t, Sepuloni now throws Ministry staff under the bus, pleading ignorance about continued dawn raids.

Good god. Labour is a joke government. They can’t get anything right.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/carmel-sepuloni-acting-prime-minister-says-chris-hipkins-would-like-to-meet-volodymyr-zelenskyy-if-logistics-allow/
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July 11, 2023 2:20pm
Chuck Bird

I note that in the preferred MP part Hipkins is 32% and Luxon is 21%. I cannot find anywhere what Seymour is.
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July 11, 2023 2:25pm
Chuck Bird

This does not appear to be premium. It might be to see the comments. The comments are also bad for Labour.

Labour and Chris Hipkins crash in latest poll, gap with National widest since 2017

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/labour-and-chris-hipkins-crash-in-latest-poll-gap-with-national-widest-since-2017/R6MWQK2TQBGK5FY3ZKOEYGVYPU/
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July 11, 2023 2:31pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Should be at least a ten point lead. National/Act have done nothing. Labour are self destructing.
  
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  July 11, 2023 8:10pm
nova

I went to pickup some RATs this morning from my local pharmacy in Christchurch. I though I’d do my bit to reduce the excess stock. But I was told that they only had 5 boxes in stock. The irony was not lost on me…
Carmel Sepuloni told Mike Hosking this morning that it is better to have an over supply of RATs than an under supply, but it turns out that with sufficient bureaucracy, that these are not mutually exclusive situations!
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July 11, 2023 2:34pm
- Swifty
  
  To quote Uncle Milty:
  
  “If this government was in charge of the Sahara Desert within three months there’d be a shortage of sand.”
  
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  July 11, 2023 3:20pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Or it was flooded!!!
    
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    July 11, 2023 5:41pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  I’m hoping you were going to throw them in the bin because they are of zero use whatsoever. Other than getting a week paid leave for a false positive.
  
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  July 11, 2023 8:05pm
bjools

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/132521758/foodstuffs-cooperatives-made-almost-52-million-in-profit-in-2023
Wow…I suppose to an intellectual midget, this mole hill looks like a mountain.
Spread over nearly 1000 stores, the owner operators would be better off, getting a job.
So what is his govt. “task force” actually, spending our money, looking in to???
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July 11, 2023 3:18pm
Surely Knott

Stuff says Woman leaves rental home because it is cold and damp. The house is fully compliant with the current healthy home laws and insulated. She doesn’t want to turn on the heater because it costs money.
Are landlords the only ones who can be compelled by law to make a home healthy and warm and mould free. Can landlords require the tenant to care for the home and themselves and turn the heaters or dehumidifiers on ?
NZ’s discussion of warm homes almost always ignores heating, as if insulation is the only factor.

The UK advises “If you seriously want to avoid mold in your home then avoid rooms cooling completely. Experts recommend that the ideal temperature for living rooms is 20°C, 23°C for the bathroom and children’s rooms, and 16C for the bedroom and kitchen. It is recommended that you never let the temperature of your home fall below 14°C”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/132513657/taranaki-mums-decision-to-leave-mouldy-rental-over-health-concerns-could-leave-family-homeless
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July 11, 2023 3:36pm
- artemisia
  
  Or open windows time to time to ventilate. Or clean mould.
  
  The Tenancy Services website has a decent list of causes of mould. Most are the responsibility of tenants.
  
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  July 11, 2023 4:11pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  20°C is too cold for the lounge. I want a minimum of 23°C.
  
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  July 11, 2023 4:22pm
  - Colville
    
    yip 23C if you are sitting still.
    
    Add in two women at different times in their cycle and there will be fights over if it should be 21 or 25.*
    
    *I was a commercial air conditioning engineer for 20 years….its true!! you cannot have 50 women on a floor with one temp zone. They must be able to move around to warmer/colder zones. Its just nature.
    
    Guys like it cold.
    
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    July 11, 2023 7:26pm
Maggy Wassilieff

“Unhinged woman” convicted of killing a young female is a transgender woman.

“Did Ashley give the appearance of being slightly crazy?” Niven asked.

“At times,” the witness said.

“Was that something that made you afraid of her, the idea she could lose control and do something crazy?” the lawyer continued. The witness agreed.

Niven pointed out that Winter is transgender, identifying as female but with a body frame that made her “significantly bigger and stronger” than the witness and the current defendant.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/mangere-torture-murder-trial-witness-says-unhinged-woman-directed-dimetrius-pairamas-murder/P547IDGTQ5AWJJ2RTOXA4NX354/
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July 11, 2023 3:49pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  He is a man. The Herald should report accurately.
  
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  July 11, 2023 4:36pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  It’s a man, and a psychopath. It needs sent away for the rest of it’s life as a minimum. End of story. No excuses.
  
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  July 11, 2023 7:57pm
rouppe

If Spark will no longer tolerate TERF’s, how will they get on with all their Transitory Electromagnetic Radio Frequencies?
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July 11, 2023 3:51pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  OMG!
  
  Do you think TERFs have created TERFs?
  
  Mounting evidences suggest possible non-thermal biological effects of radiofrequency electromagnetic radiation (RF-EMR) on brain and behavior.
  
  https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11356-019-06278-5
  
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  July 11, 2023 4:11pm
  - rouppe
    
    Honestly, I don’t know what to think anymore because I haven’t been told what the correct thinking is supposed to be on this matter 😉 //
    
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    July 11, 2023 4:39pm
kevn

@Nova…. Not counting the millions of unwanted health hazard jab doses sitting in chiller warehouses already out of date, plus the rest going out of date.
Must in the billions of dollars wastage all up.
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July 11, 2023 3:51pm
Swifty

Would it be too much to ask to see the studies showing the efficacy, relative to existing alternatives, of these treatments before we all jump for joy?

https://i.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/132503036/acc-reports-strong-rise-in-demand-for-rongo-mori-sessions

Or is it still the case, as reported some months ago, that no such research exists and these treatments are being offered, funded by the NZ taxpayer and delivered without and in spite of a single shred of research on their efficacy?
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July 11, 2023 4:36pm
- Mike
  
  The NZ taxpayer also funds chiropractic, osteopathy and accupuncture, all of which lack any evidence of efficacy.
  
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  July 11, 2023 7:01pm
  - Swifty
    
    So?
    
    What’s your point?
    
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    July 11, 2023 7:30pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Mike – the vaccines, the masks and the lockdowns lack any evidence of efficacy but they were still forced on the population. The latter are at the very least harmless, unlike the former.
    
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    July 11, 2023 7:51pm
Hugh Jarse

Seems like a bad time for PM Chippy to be away, more trouble at mill, bad poll result both party wise and personally wise, more back benches seeing their job disappearing, must be getting close to a Sunday BBQ discussion. They have form for short premierships, Grunter doesn’t want the job, so who is going to challenge for the top job ?
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July 11, 2023 4:45pm
- KKKKatee
  
  Betcha Sepuloni will want to seize the day. God. help us.
  
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  July 11, 2023 5:31pm
Ghost

Sydney’s largest hospital, Westmead, is at crisis point.

A whistleblower says lives are at risk, with patients sleeping on the emergency department floor, while others are waiting days for treatment.

Video
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July 11, 2023 4:58pm
Surely Knott

One of NZ’s most gruesome crimes. Ashley Winter transgender previously Shane Toko Winter tortured and murdered Dimetrius Pairama. Recent article she is just described as a woman and of a very large size and strength

But previously.
“.. witness will say it was at this point Winter and the accused began cutting Pairama’s hair. The accused is also alleged to have used an aerosol can and a cigarette lighter as a makeshift blow-torch to burn Pairama’s chest and genitals.”

And then they hung her.

The attack targeted the young woman’s sexuality her hair, breasts and genitals.

When did Ashley transition. Was she a female at the time of the attack. Any prior history of violence?

NZ Herald

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July 11, 2023 5:00pm
- KKKKatee
  
  OMG!
  
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  July 11, 2023 5:30pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  In cases like this execution is totally justified. There is no doubt about the identity or guilt of the people charged. I know it will never happen, but surely someone who tortures and murders someone with a blowtorch?
  
  Many murders do not justify capital punishment IMO. Especially when there is any doubt, even remotely, of the person’s guilt because there is only limited or no physical evidence. Scott Watson is one example.
  
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  July 11, 2023 6:45pm
  - Mike
    
    No matter how carefully intended, capital punishment always kills a proportion of convicted persons who are innocent of the crime for which they have been convicted.
    
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    July 11, 2023 7:05pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Not this case.
      
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      July 11, 2023 7:47pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Any prior history of violence?
  
  Yes,
  
  a prior conviction for rape
  
  https://www.mediacouncil.org.nz/rulings/suzanne-levy-against-nz-herald/
  
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  July 11, 2023 7:41pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Death penalty. Plain and simple. There is no redemption. No excuse.
  
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  July 11, 2023 7:45pm
KKKKatee

Wahoo. This is what happens when companies get on the gender woo woo train. https://twitter.com/the_salty_one_/status/1678591352052011008?s=46&t=FXJyFvHy2FiqqPhWzU00mQ
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July 11, 2023 5:28pm
- Ghost
  
  More than likely not, a small blip, spark closed today with their share price up.
  
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  July 11, 2023 5:37pm
  - KKKKatee
    
    But I’ll bet the memos being sent around the office are interesting.
    
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    July 11, 2023 6:11pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Here’s hoping not and the world comes to it’s senses. This virtue signaling woke bullshit is getting extremely tiresome. I’m well over it.
    
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    July 11, 2023 7:40pm
Benedict Yu

So the Hamilton – Auckland train is banned from Auckland because it runs red lights. And a fix to ensure it does not run red lights will take at least 12 months.

I can see the next Government killing that thing stone dead.
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July 11, 2023 6:37pm
- greybeard
  
  Why ban the train ?
  Surely they should ban the offending driver(s) but keep the service going ?
  
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  July 11, 2023 6:40pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Because it is the second time it has happened. Different driver each time.
    
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    July 11, 2023 6:47pm
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      Ban both drivers?
      
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      July 11, 2023 6:50pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Auckland suburban trains have some automated system that brakes the train if the driver runs a red light. The Hamilton train does not have such a system.
    
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    July 11, 2023 6:48pm
- mandk
  
  Excellent.
  
  It will save both taxpayers’ money and carbon emissions.
  
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  July 11, 2023 7:19pm
Ghost

Wtf

Several hundred staff will lose their jobs at the University of Otago after falling student numbers means it needs to slash around $60 million from its budget.

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So let’s waste money on a new maori name

The University of Otago has announced a $1.3 million rebrand will go ahead next year including a new te reo Māori name and tohu (symbol).

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