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Matt Long

Has anyone seen Spark’s new logo, or the reports of how toxic it is to work their if you don’t toe the woke line?
https://twitter.com/Dame__Jane/status/1677729435053867009
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July 10, 2023 8:04am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Companies should stay well away from politicised societal identarianism. It just never ends well either way they try.
  
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  July 10, 2023 8:15am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    One only needs to look at Bud Light and the fallout that comes from going Woke as part of your corporate branding.
    
    The Diversity Hire that masterminded the brand annihilation of Bud Light will be a case study in not understanding the brand for decades to come….
    
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    July 10, 2023 8:37am
    - mawm
      
      Or having to be seen to be woke and hiring a diversity candidate unqualified for the job. She’s not the only one who should have gone but also those who hired her.
      
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      July 10, 2023 10:56am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Ever wondered why Governments have been encouraging citizens to use plastic rather than cash over the past 40 years. Well it wasnt for your benefit. Look to the UK and Nigel Farage and others for the real reason. I say if the Toxic Trio Labour/Greens/Maori get elected in October the same will ocurr here. In addition we will have a Chinese style Social Credit system. Of course Maori, Gangs and the Elites will be exempt. WhiteMotherF…..s will be hit hard especially those who post on KB. They will become Non-Persons denied access to ALL Government services, their bank accounts and other investments and banned from driving. As a result they will be unable to pay for rates insurance on their home. The Government will then seize their home toss them out and give the home to a “deserving” family of the Government choice.
  Think it wont happen? Cast your mind back 6 years and ponder the things you thought couldnt happen but did.
  
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  July 10, 2023 9:05am
  - tf78
    
    Back to the musket and blanket days I think.
    
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    July 10, 2023 9:08am
- KKKKatee
  
  Yep. Loving it. She’s renamed it KRAPS. Looks like Spark have jumped on the gender woo woo train. It’s just that I don’t want a 🐔 in the ladies loos. These transdivas are unpredictable at the best of times and I don’t them in that space.
  
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  July 10, 2023 9:24am
  - Ehlana
    
    ASB Waterfront Theatre has signs up at the entrance to the public toilets announcing that people can the toilet of whatever gender they identify with.
    
    Why can’t they understand that once you do that, any male entering that space can claim to be (or is assumed to be) transgender, when they may in fact be a male who wants to harass or assault females?
    
    Females need safe toilet options too.
    
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    July 10, 2023 10:23am
    - Taieri
      
      The major political issue of the 21st century: who will use which public toilet?
      The media discuss it on their front pages. The parliaments debate it. The governments direct enforce it…
      
      How the fuck, did the humanity manage to get on with carrying out normal bodily functions for the thousands of years before?
      
      We live in very strange times indeed…
      
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      July 10, 2023 11:28am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        But at least we know what personal pronouns are.
        
        Tho’ I reckon it would make a good quiz question to ask someone to define a pronoun.
        
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        July 10, 2023 12:27pm
    - KKKKatee
      
      We do.
      
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      July 10, 2023 12:23pm
    - Close Hen Counters
      
      Men also need to be safe passing urine – I would be mortified walking into men’s loo and passing gentlemen using the urinal …
      
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      July 10, 2023 3:50pm
    - Alex
      
      ASB theatre should b ashamed of themselves, won’t be going there.
      
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      July 11, 2023 7:53pm
  - Alex
    
    Oh I get it now it’s SPARK spelt backwoods, very clever.
    Spark want to put in my broadband no way.now.
    
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    July 11, 2023 7:50pm
goNZ1

Public transport ? no thanks !
Public transport needs better on-board ventilation, a leading epidemiologist says, after new research has found buses and trains are a significant disease-spreading risk.
The paper, released by the Public Health Communication Centre (PHCC), measured carbon dioxide levels on 30 bus trips and 15 train journeys across three cities from April to June this year, each with more than half of the seats occupied.
It discovered ventilation became increasingly poor as seats filled up and when people stood in bus aisles, and carbon dioxide levels were eight times higher in a crowded bus than the outdoor air.
Buses were poorly ventilated 94% of the time and 77% for trains, meaning passengers were breathing a lot of exhaled air from others, leading to a higher risk of passing on airborne diseases like Covid-19.
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July 10, 2023 8:05am
- burt
  
  But there is a vaccine that is so safe and effective it was mandated – so nobody needs to worry about catching or spreading covid.
  
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  July 10, 2023 8:37am
  - kevn
    
    @burt… Indeed, a jab so awesome it is STILL mandated in some instances. In NZ.
    
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    July 10, 2023 8:44am
    - Bridgenag
      
      The blokes at bowls are worried about the gases from commuters……. how long does it stay in the upholstery ? ……..
      
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      July 10, 2023 3:06pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Force the willingly vaccinated use public transport and let the unvaccinated drive their own cars.
    
    Problem solved.
    
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    July 10, 2023 10:16am
- mandk
  
  We obviously need to ban trains and buses.
  
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  July 10, 2023 8:47am
- Lance
  
  You do know that CO2 in standard atmosphere is 0.04% right?
  And you do know your body won’t even notice until it is like 45 times higher than atmospheric level?
  Whoever is shrieking hysterically at 5 times higher CO2 is rather idiotic
  
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  July 10, 2023 8:54am
  - NothingLeft
    
    You start to lose mental acuity at 800-1000ppm (2x atmosphere) Eg bad for drivers and pilots.
    
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    July 10, 2023 9:06am
    - Lance
      
      Nope, official medical studies are saying threshold is 10,000ppm for the slightest hint of drowsiness in some people.
      
      I am not particularly exercised about this issue one way or the other, however facts are important in a post factual world.
      
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      July 10, 2023 10:05am
      - NothingLeft
        
        Well ‘officials’ are wrong based on research I have personally reviewed (this is an area of professional competence). No way in hell I would fly on a plane with pilots at 10000ppm, and FAA requires fresh airflow levels in planes that holds it at about 2000ppm.
        
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        July 10, 2023 2:18pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        Carbon monoxide, perhaps?
        
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        July 10, 2023 7:17pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Put plants and trees in buses.
      Yep, they think like that, and we pay for it.
      
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      July 10, 2023 10:13am
    - JackRabbit
      
      That’s untrue. A raft of overseas tests show very high CO2 levels.
      
      You need to get a CO2 meter and check the CO2 in your own car on a trip.
      
      With four people in the car, it takes just a few minutes to reach levels approaching 5000.
      
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      July 10, 2023 10:21am
      - burt
        
        But, but. but…. once it gets above 400 ppm there will be catastrophic runaway warming that can only be avoided by paying more tax and banning free speech and freedom of movement.
        
        Oh, and eating bugs, eating bugs will also help.
        
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        July 10, 2023 11:22am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Linking “climate change” to human activity is too good an existential threat for politicians to leave alone in their quest to bend the population to their will.
        
        “The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.” — H. L. Mencken
        
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        July 10, 2023 1:05pm
    - burt
      
      Lets be honest, you have already lose all mental acuity if you believe CO2 at 0.04% of the atmosphere controls the climate !
      
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      July 10, 2023 11:25am
  - tf78
    
    No CO2 = no plants/trees. No wonder they want to get rid of the Sciences.
    
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    July 10, 2023 9:12am
  - gander
    
    The elevated CO_2 is not a problem. The problem is the poor ventilation, for which the elevated CO_2 concentration is a surrogate measurement.
    
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    July 10, 2023 9:23am
  - cmm
    
    45x? No, more like 200 times.
    
    If you hold your breath as long as you can, your body forces you to breath when it has too much CO2, though most people think it is because you have run out of oxygen.
    
    At the level most people start feeling it, there is about 1% CO2 (around 250x the atmospheric level). Most people can hold out to 2% (500x the atmospheric level). People with extensive training can maybe hit twice that.
    
    When there is 1-2% CO2 there’s still heaps of oxygen available because oxygen is around 20% of the air you breath.
    
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    July 10, 2023 9:48am
    - JackRabbit
      
      So true. Under normal circumstances, asphyxiation, and death occurs when CO2 reaches 6% of the air.
      
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      July 10, 2023 10:23am
      - JackRabbit
        
        I read somewhere that while oxygen is still 14-15% of the air, releasing the CO2 to absorb fresh O2 is blocked because of the relative CO2 concentrations.
        
        I would welcome clarification on that.
        
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        July 10, 2023 10:35am
    - mawm
      
      Even 10% Co2 will only lower the normal 21% O2 by 1/10th to about 19%. Certainly life is viable at this level.
      
      The body makes compensatory changes to raised CO2 level by increasing respiration. One cannot compare O2 and CO2 physics in the lungs because of the massive differences in solubility in water/plasma.
      
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      July 10, 2023 11:25am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Excellent news, we can get natural herd immunity to ever emerging versions of infectious diseases that have been around longer than people.
  
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  July 10, 2023 9:55am
  - mawm
    
    The only sensible comment! We need to exposed to the “biome” of our society to keep our immune systems functioning.
    
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    July 10, 2023 11:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  As part of the study PHCC also noted that the Sun always came up in the East every morning. Just thought you would like to know.
  
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  July 10, 2023 10:08am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Rolling Petri dishes.
  
  Reason #6494 why the Left want to get rid of science.
  
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  July 10, 2023 11:07am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Is that like bowling with petri dishes?
    
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    July 10, 2023 7:31pm
- John Loveridge
  
  No shit! My nose has told me that every time I’ve been reduced to riding a loser cruiser.
  
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  July 10, 2023 11:26am
Matt Long

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/nba-americas-first-bud-light-style-fiasco-supposed-know
The NBA also is a corporate bully.
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July 10, 2023 8:08am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  The NBA will do fine because it has a great product with no substitute, unlike Bud Light. Of course it was more popular when Jordan was playing. That requires no political explanation. The popularity started to drop when Jordan retired, before it went woke. Also, the NFL had the Kaepernick situation and forcing the Redskins to change their name and is still as well as ever. So I think there’s a little too much cherry picking in that article.
  
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  July 10, 2023 8:55am
  - Matt Long
    
    The author addresses your point with viewship for college women’s basketball final being higher than the NBA finals.
    That would be the equivalent of the Farah Palmer Cup getting more views than the final of Super Rugby.
    
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    July 10, 2023 9:26am
Grunter

So the climate scam seems to continue unabated with last weeks reports of “the hottest day on earth ever recorded” (complete BS of course).
With the transition to “green energy” on the rocks, and fossil fuel production being knee capped by new taxes and lack of CapEx investment, the outcome in 5-10 yrs time is economic collapse due to lack of energy.
The requirement of 330+ additional mines for copper and rare earths etc to make the green transition come to fruition makes a complete mockery of the Greens agenda. Even a 10 yr old could do the maths! It’s not going to happen, ever!
But the real problem is the decrease in oil production with the ongoing decline in oil rig counts globally as the ideologs shut off investment. This is going to be a complete shambles and we’re sleep walking straight into a nightmare.
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July 10, 2023 8:10am
- I remember when
  
  Antarctica’s Doomsday Glacier is………..
  
  We all know how the rest of the headline is going to read.
  
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  July 10, 2023 8:41am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Meanwhile Antarctica continues to overall gain ice. Doomer hypothesis fail.
    
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    July 10, 2023 7:32pm
- Mummy
  
  The other day they said that not only was Monday the hottest day in 125,000 years but that Tuesday was hotter. Do the people who write this rubbish ever take a deep breath and look at themselves and just wonder?
  
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  July 10, 2023 8:55am
  - Local Miller
    
    You’re being rhetorical, right?
    
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    July 10, 2023 9:08am
  - Ehlana
    
    We have 125,000 years of temperature records?
    
    I didn’t think we’d had written language that long, let alone thermometers.
    
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    July 10, 2023 10:30am
    - gravedodger
      
      Oral history dear ” youth adjacent person”.
      Mātauranga Māori lost the thermometer during the return voyage from Antarctica.//
      
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      July 10, 2023 10:52am
      - Ehlana
        
        Does the oral history include the effect of dragons on global warming? They breathed fire, you know.
        
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        July 10, 2023 1:58pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Ice cores, lake bed sediments, isotope deposits, tree level remnants, iceberg drop stones, and much much more tell the story.
      
      And they clearly tell the story of the climate-doomer-hypothesis fail.
      
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      July 10, 2023 7:36pm
  - miltonF
    
    Yes. You really do have to wonder about their logic. Hottest year for 125,000 years apparently. Doesn’t that mean that for 124,999 years, records were COLDER? One year out of 124,999 does not make a trend. If anything, it shows it is an unusually warm year, and that temperatures on average are colder than they were 125,000 years ago.
    
    It’s a meaningless sound bite.
    
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    July 10, 2023 7:25pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      During the last interglacial around 120,000 years ago it was warmer than today, There were hippopotamuses (or hippopotami if you like, for the anal pedants) wallowing in the Thames River at that time. Did the world melt down due to all the alleged “tipping points” that are supposed to happen when the world is a few degrees warmer? Nope.
      
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      July 10, 2023 7:41pm
- tf78
  
  No oil = no proper transport, no machinery lubrication, no cellphones, no computors, no carpets, nor car interiors, no fridge linings, no pillow/cushion stuffing/bedding, no garden hoses, no TVs, no cheap clothing and shoes, no to most of the things in our lives that we take for granted.
  How about NO GREENS, a much happier option.
  
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  July 10, 2023 9:18am
  - Handyman
    
    The Green party believe natural resources (especially oil) are finite but taxpayer dollars are infinite.
    
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    July 10, 2023 11:28am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Germany and the UK are already hitting the renewables wall. Smarter countries have read the writing on the wall and are either ramping up nuclear or making sure they have sufficient baseload gas, hydro and or coal.
    
    Net zero 2030 or 2050 with current “renewables” technology is certain economic suicide. That’s not just a cute abstract concept. It means literal impoverishment and suffering for the masses.
    
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    July 10, 2023 7:46pm
- Cantabrian
  
  Watched an episode of Outback Truckers last night. The driver was commenting that it was 52 deg c outside. Nothing unusual …
  
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  July 10, 2023 9:34am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Been wandering around outside in Dubai with wife and kids in 50-52C Cantabrian. It’s bloody hot, but doesn’t kill you. Just have to stay hydrated. In saying that, you can’t go barefoot on concrete or in the sand, and you can feel the heat through the old jandals!
    
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    July 10, 2023 11:36am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I’ve experienced 47C in Melbourne. Everything gets dehydrated and baked. Horrendous bush fires happened that day. Note: in the last 5 or so years those kind of extreme temps (IE above 40C) have become a lot more rare in the Melbourne summer. It’s all natural cycles anyway (and poor forest management).
    
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    July 10, 2023 7:49pm
- JackRabbit
  
  So the climate scam seems to continue unabated with last weeks reports of “the hottest day on earth ever recorded”.
  
  I saw that as well.
  
  It was actually the hottest day ever recorded, since 1979. (44 years).
  
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  July 10, 2023 10:28am
  - mawm
    
    Jack – that’s only after the historical data has been adjusted downwards.
    
    All these mysterious adjustments that we witness – historical downwards and contemporary upwards. Are they made to fit in with the wildly and embarrassingly inaccurate models these highly paid scientists make in order to continuing to receive “funding” from the likes of Gates and BlackRock?
    
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    July 10, 2023 11:32am
    - comm4nder
      
      The correlation between the adjustments of the temperature data and the carbon dioxide concentration is 97.3%. So this shows that the official data has been adjusted to fit the “global warming” narrative. I have the chart, but can’t paste it here.
      
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      July 10, 2023 2:11pm
  - miltonF
    
    So, for the last 44 years, temperatures have been colder than 1979? Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that the opposite of what the climate cult keeps telling us?
    
    If the climate was warming, we’d see the opposite. “Hottest year since last year”. If only one year out of 45 is hotter, and 44/45 are colder…doesn’t that tell you that on average, temperatures are falling? Confused!
    
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    July 10, 2023 7:32pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      But but people on the payroll of woke institutions are all onboard with the doomer “consensus”. That proves it’s true!! /
      
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      July 10, 2023 7:51pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Bang Grunter,
  I consider myself “fortunate” to work in the Oil / Gas sector. Lets just say Job Security is not an issue .
  
  Regarding Wind Turbine issues, This just came out.
  
  https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/analysis-siemens-energys-turbine-troubles-rattle-wind-sector/ar-AA1dzsr9
  
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  July 10, 2023 11:12am
Matt Long

Doctor who was deplatformed for speaking the truth about intubation killing COVID patients says it’s time for the instigators to apologise.
https://twitter.com/kevinnbass/status/16778575982534819860l
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July 10, 2023 8:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Page gone.
  
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  July 10, 2023 8:22am
  - Matt Long
    
    https://twitter.com/kevinnbass/status/1677857598253481986
    This time?
    
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    July 10, 2023 8:27am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yep.
      Intubation, tube into the lungs. I had it under general anesthetic, for my breathing. I was given suxamethonium to relax muscles. That’s when the trouble started – anaphylaxis. It could have killed me.
      
      Doctors following orders, patients dying, and it keeps the death numbers up for fear porn.
      
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      July 10, 2023 10:36am
      - mawm
        
        The 2 aren’t related. If you needed intubation for your surgery – that is one thing. The anaesthetist was surely doing what was needed and not following orders. Anaphylaxis can happen with almost any drug and that is a different thing.
        
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        July 10, 2023 11:36am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Not related, yes, But how did that intubation kill people? A drug for relaxing, or just rejecting the tubes?
        
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        July 10, 2023 3:15pm
      - mawm
        
        Steve – most were getting a bacterial pneumonia. Secondary to this they develop multiple organ failure syndrome.
        
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        July 10, 2023 7:13pm
    - mawm
      
      Matt – there is so much about his comment that is worrying. I hope you noted he has a PhD (hence Dr like Dr Michael Cullen and Dr Ardern) and a MSc, and he is a medical student. I think I would rather have the opinion of somebody who has either Intensive care or anaesthesia training to comment. My understanding is yes early intubation is problematic as any intubation can lead on to secondary bacterial infection, but Fauci’s recommendation of not giving antibiotics is criminal. Most of those who died while being ventilated died because of bacterial pneumonias.
      
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      July 10, 2023 11:44am
      - Matt Long
        
        To be more specific his tweet refers to Early intubation.
        Intubation for COVID is a serious intervention with many side effects,
        https://atriumhealth.org/dailydose/2021/10/01/covid-19-roundtable-what-really-happens-when-you-go-on-a-ventilator.
        This does not imply that ventilation for a variety of acute illnesses or injuries is not the best practice.
        
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        July 10, 2023 1:38pm
      - mawm
        
        From my comment @11:44 “My understanding is yes early intubation is problematic as any intubation can lead on to secondary bacterial infection, ”
        
        I’m not quite sure whether you are talking about intubation or ventilation.
        
        No competent Dr should be intubating a patient without cause such as airway protection, or mechanical ventilation. The Fauci guidelines were patently quite ridiculous.
        
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        July 10, 2023 3:10pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Dame Doctor Jacinda Kate Laurell Ardern thanks!
        
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        July 10, 2023 3:17pm
  - G152
    
    Colour me surprised
    
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    July 10, 2023 8:27am
- peterwn
  
  Kevin Bass is not a medical doctor. He is ‘Dr’ because he has a PhD.
  How would intubation kills patients? It is a life saving procedure often done in emergency situations. If the patient dies it would be for other reasons. It is generally carried out by anesthetists who would monitor the patient for any issues. In extreme cases a premature baby who is not breathing may need to be intubated to save its life.
  
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  July 10, 2023 8:39am
  - Matt Long
    
    Perhaps you could view Anthony Fauci’s video in the link provided.
    
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    July 10, 2023 8:55am
  - Local Miller
    
    You may also want to check your facts, according to his Twitter page and other links he is at least studying medicine and has a significant involvement it the health sector.
    
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    July 10, 2023 9:17am
    - mawm
      
      Training doctors do not have the knowledge of or exposure to ICU medicine.
      
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      July 10, 2023 3:12pm
  - tf78
    
    Mostly used as a last resort.
    
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    July 10, 2023 9:19am
    - peterwn
      
      That is right. When that is the only way to get oxygen into the patient’s lungs. In more extreme cases it may be necessary to do a tracheotomy to insert the tube if it cannot be inserted through the nose or mouth. Doctors are not going to do the procedure for a joke – they have too many other things to do.
      
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      July 10, 2023 9:42am
      - mawm
        
        Hmm not quite true. Emergency tracheotomies might be required with an obstructed upper airway but in ICU’s they are generally done for long term ventilation or ease of pulmonary toilet.
        
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        July 10, 2023 3:21pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yes. My 10.36 above. What was a 50 minute procedure turns into 8 hours to recover.
        
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        July 10, 2023 3:21pm
  - JohnRidd
    
    Yes. There are many circumstances where ventilation is the right treatment, but ventilation was not the right treatment for patients with covid.
    Ventilation is for patients who cannot breathe for themselves, for example, people with a collapsed lung.
    
    A good article about iatrogenic deaths is at
    https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/the-greatest-lie-told-during-covid
    
    A quote from that article is
    “here’s an unsettling comparison:
    in NYC area, mortality rate for all COV ICU patients was 78%.
    in stockholm, the SURVIVAL rate was over 80%.
    
    this is a staggering variance.
    the key difference: ventilators.
    
    NYC used them on 85% of patients, sweden used them sparingly “
    
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    July 10, 2023 9:28am
    - peterwn
      
      So how did Sweden deal with patients with breathing difficulties. A pep talk or drugs or what?
      
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      July 10, 2023 10:37am
      - Matt Long
        
        Presumably antihistamines and steroids, with early intervention.
        
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        July 10, 2023 11:06am
      - mawm
        
        Peter – increased oxygen concentration and CPAP by mask.
        I’m not singling you out but some of your comments show a paucity of knowledge.
        
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        July 10, 2023 3:22pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    My Dad had 3 open heart surgeries.
    He told me to avoid ventilators. He was one that would sort of hold his breath either in or out. He was resting. He said the ventilators are constant, no rest, just wear you down.
    
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    July 10, 2023 10:39am
  - mawm
    
    Peter – you are absolutely correct. See my comment above (made before I read yours). I’m a bit surprised at how many down votes you have received. As we move through life we all have contact with healthcare and should gain some knowledge about it. These down votes shows a worrying lack of understanding. Must be the doctors’ fault.//s
    
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    July 10, 2023 11:49am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Here’s Danielle Smith from Canada apologising to the unvaccinated for the discrimination. The only one in the world that I’m aware of.
  
  https://twitter.com/SammyHudes/status/1579944950695100416?s=20
  
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  July 10, 2023 10:36am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Danielle Smith compared forced vaccines to the Nuremberg Code.
    Here in NZ we were forced/blackmailed by one Jacinda Kate Laurell Ardern.
    Then she ran.
    
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    July 10, 2023 10:43am
Bridgenag

From USA. Good video about government interference with social media plus UK charity suggests vagina should be referred to as “bonus hole”

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/sunday-strip-nice-social-media-platform?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

”Covid Censorship Proved to Be Deadly Government and social-media companies colluded to stifle dissenters who turned out to be right.” (WSJ Article)
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July 10, 2023 8:11am
Southern Raider

Major bus strike in Auckland today.

Didn’t Labour give all the bus drivers a big pay rise about 6 months ago?
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July 10, 2023 8:11am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Bit like Treaty Settlements. Never enough, go back for more.
  
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  July 10, 2023 10:45am
Scott

Walking through Masterton recently, one becomes aware of how much we have deteriorated as a community. There is a security guard standing permanently outside of Michael Hill jeweller. This in Masterton, a town of maybe 25,000 people, and the police cannot even keep our shops safe!? Down a block there is a new clothing retailer called Back Door. This new clothing retailer features two big bollards outside of its front door to stop ram raiders!

On Saturday morning I attended a church breakfast where they feed everyone in the community that wants to come. There were about half a dozen homeless people having breakfast. I asked them where do they sleep? They replied, “in our cars”. So we have people in 2023 with no home who are living in their cars? I said to one of them, “why don’t you live in one of those motels? “The woman replied, “everyone in the motel is on drugs and I’m not on drugs.”

Drugs, crime, homelessness. This is where we are at today. The government of kindness is far from kind. We need a new government with a completely new approach. What the current government is doing is just not working. Things are getting worse not better.
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July 10, 2023 8:12am
- slightlyrighty
  
  In every situation where the so called “progressives” have been in charge, the social chaos that results is so evident, and yet the full damage that is being caused is hidden by a compliant and complicit media.
  
  In the US, the worst of it seems to be contained in certain cities such as Chigaco (although the Climate does mitigate the homelessness issue) and San Francisco.
  
  Canada, especially cities like Vancouver have some real social issues arising from the real damage Trudeau has done.
  
  In NZ, we are heading down the same route.
  
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  July 10, 2023 8:45am
- kowtow
  
  ‘They replied, “in our cars”.’
  
  That’s impossible .
  In 2017 the media reported constantly about all those people made homeless and living in their cars under the cruel wealthy white Nats would have houses from Ardern.
  There have been no media reports this year about people living in their cars , so it just isn’t true.
  
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  July 10, 2023 8:46am
  - PeeJay
    
    Completely agree kowtow. I mean, if there were really people sleeping in cars, wouldn’t that wonderful politically neutral John Campbell be doing his ‘sleeping in cars’ segment on the news with tears streaming down his face? Surely he couldn’t be a biased leftie? No!!!!!
    
    And the media wonder why people flock to alternative sources for news???
    
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    July 10, 2023 9:03am
    - Biscuit
      
      Oh. please, NO, PeeJay…
      
      Every time (innocent) eyeballs in this household get assaulted by another of John’s earnest monologues the cat and I hide behind the sofa lest any of said eyeballs get poked out by his armwaving(s)…
      
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      July 10, 2023 10:12am
      - Flossie
        
        Even if he is just being the “newsreader” those arms are dangerous!
        
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        July 10, 2023 11:43am
  - Matt Long
    
    By the wonders of modern media, in a few months time journalists will breathlessly announce the sudden advent of poverty and people forced to live in vehicles.
    
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    July 10, 2023 9:15am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yeah, but we all know it will be due to 6 years of neglect from the Labour numpties.
      
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      July 10, 2023 10:35am
  - RoboRob
    
    We need to call in john Campbell. I am sure he will get to the bottom of this. Perhaps a few tears and some faux outrage are required?
    
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    July 10, 2023 9:18am
    - Gravelroad
      
      I saw Campbell presenting (as opposed to just reading it out) TV1 @6pm news a couple of weeks back.
      So self assured and complacent is the man that he actually made the occasional personal comment about what was contained in the items.
      His conceit and lack of self discipline know no boundaries.
      
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      July 10, 2023 10:37am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        And then there’s P. Gower
        I have no words
        
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        July 10, 2023 9:39pm
- Grunter
  
  Western society globally has been gradually wrecked by ‘social welfare’ – which is fundamentally socialism in drag. It traps generations of families into very bad situations. It wrecks traditional family values and community resilience.
  A liberal, free market society isn’t perfect, but it sure as hell is better than what we now have.
  
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  July 10, 2023 8:52am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Dont confuse social welfare with socialism.
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
    
    The better description is fascism
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
    
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    July 10, 2023 11:29am
  - LB
    
    It’s not like it hasn’t happened before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cura_Annonae
    
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    July 10, 2023 1:28pm
- Rusty
  
  @Scott,
  
  My observations on the homeless on our Auckland streets and the ones who have signs asking for food money.
  
  They don’t look undernourished and many of them look over weight — so what do they really want the money for?
  
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  July 10, 2023 8:52am
- Inandout
  
  Scott, Masterton still has some good eating and drinking establishments. I think all Michael Hill shops have a guard now, even in malls. As for motels and drugs well take a trip to Hamilton or Rotorua.
  
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  July 10, 2023 9:35am
- KKKKatee
  
  Lets ask ourselves why Stewart Dawson’s, Pascoes, Walker & Hall etc have never been ramraided. Are these raids on Michael Hill inside jobs? There are a couple of privately owned jewellery stores who have been targets.
  
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  July 10, 2023 9:52am
  - Ghost
    
    Before making stupid accusations use Google, those three chains have had ramraids.
    
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    July 10, 2023 9:56am
    - KKKKatee
      
      Have they? When & where?
      
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      July 10, 2023 11:06am
      - Ghost
        
        Google the chains and you will find out
        
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        July 10, 2023 11:34am
    - KKKKatee
      
      I’m curious. That’s all. I’m certainly unaware of the other chains being ramraided.
      
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      July 10, 2023 11:12am
    - KKKKatee
      
      I’m curious. That’s all. I’m certainly unaware of the other chains being ramraided. I’m a survivor of an armed robbery. It’s been suggested it was an inside job. We were tied up by cables. The case is closed. No arrests.
      
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      July 10, 2023 11:14am
      - KKKKatee
        
        Why the down ticks ? Wrists & ankles cable tied. Gagged with tape. Gun held at head. A 3 hour ordeal. Feared for my life. 26 years ago.
        
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        July 10, 2023 12:29pm
  - Biscuit
    
    And, let me guess, KKKKatee, you reckon that all the raids on dairies have been organised by Indians?
    
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    July 10, 2023 10:15am
    - KKKKatee
      
      No. Not at all.
      
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      July 10, 2023 11:14am
- Raphael
  
  Last week 5 cars ramraided the Goldfields Mall in Thames. They drive in the one entrance and out the other and broke into many of the shops stealing an unspecified amount.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/132493157/five-cars-ramraid-their-way-through-thames-mall
  
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  July 10, 2023 9:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The guards at Michael Hill are just for show. Legally they can not put a hand on someone smashing and stealing. A member of the public can though.
  
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  July 10, 2023 10:49am
  - KKKKatee
    
    No point in them then.
    
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    July 10, 2023 11:15am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Visual, but crims don’t give a shit.
      
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      July 10, 2023 3:23pm
Scooter

The runner up is far better looking and an actual woman not that matters in the Cray Cray world we live in

https://www.dailywire.com/news/post-truth-world-man-wins-miss-netherlands-sparking-outrage-on-twitter
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July 10, 2023 8:15am
- Matt Long
  
  Dutch Leader Teflon Mark Rutte who wants to force Dutch farmers out of business is another Unilever protegé.
  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39289468
  
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  July 10, 2023 8:37am
  - Scooter
    
    Maybe there’s hope as the Dutch govt has crumbled, Rutte has resigned.
    
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    July 10, 2023 8:48am
    - Local Miller
      
      Here’s a link for those interested.
      
      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12276883/Dutch-Prime-Minister-Mark-Rutte-resigns-13-years-power-government-collapses.html
      
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      July 10, 2023 9:24am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  No offence to you scooter, but now every time I see something about a bloke being a sheila I just bypass it It is not ‘news’ it is propaganda by the mentally disturbed.
  
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  July 10, 2023 10:55am
Southern Raider

Green Party stating they have the most coherent and comprehensive election policy manifesto

It’s like you got 300 of the biggest radicals, gave them magic mushrooms, put on some Barry Manilow and said develop us some policies to wreck NZ

If Greens get into Govt again we will be the most backward and poor of all Pacific Islands

Some highlights for me
– compulsory Unionism
– more tax and even allowing Councils to now tax whatever they want
– even if you have any Māori heritage but even your parents weren’t born in NZ you can get citizenship

It looks close to Portland and San Fran and look how well those places are going
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July 10, 2023 8:16am
- Gravelroad
  
  Add free lunches in all schools and an extra week’s holiday for all workers.
  The ignorant Greens also don’t seem to realise that local body councils already have a wide range of income streams over and above income from the rates take.
  
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  July 10, 2023 10:41am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Look at the noise Auckland Council are making after Wayne Brown became Mayor. I am thinking those income streams include 10% for the big guy.
    
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    July 10, 2023 10:58am
Chuck Bird

There was a very good turnout for Act at Tauranga for a regional meeting yesterday. There must have been at least 400. I agree with Hosking that Act is going to do very well and could double the MPs to 20.
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July 10, 2023 8:17am
- Grunter
  
  Offical number was 450. ACT I think will break the 20% level in October
  
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  July 10, 2023 8:21am
  - Martonman
    
    Looked like about 90 at the Green’s AGM
    
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    July 10, 2023 8:58am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That is where my Party Vote is going. I urge others to do the same.
  
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  July 10, 2023 11:01am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They had a big turn out at the bielection, they floundered on election day, I don’t see ACT getting passed 15% maybe 12%-15
  
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  July 10, 2023 12:28pm
Maggie Pie

OMG – WATCH

It’s little wonder SPARK…. “wholeheartedly stands with @shaneellall”

https://twitter.com/2ETEKA/status/1677984190820921345

Jack Tame wurries me as well 🙁
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July 10, 2023 8:17am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Act opposes trans competing against normal women in sport. National says it should be left to each sport.
  Another reason to vote Act.
  
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  July 10, 2023 8:22am
  - I remember when
    
    Totally agree with National on this issue.
    Governments should have no place in sport other than encouraging healthy participation.
    
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    July 10, 2023 9:22am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      Agree – Trans women competing against biological women isn’t healthy participation though.
      
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      July 10, 2023 10:12am
      - Ghost
        
        I watched on YouTube Lia Thomas get beaten, watching all the woman get out and congratulate the winner was nice, watching Lia not do the same was very telling
        
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        July 10, 2023 10:20am
      - kowtow
        
        There’s no such thing as “trans women” , that’s just newspeak for a man masquerading as a woman.
        
        A man is a man is a man .
        
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        July 10, 2023 11:01am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Who writes the rules? That is where to look, to stop this crazy nonsense.
      
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      July 10, 2023 11:09am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It will not affect my vote. There are more important things than transistors.
      
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      July 10, 2023 11:11am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Exactly, we don’t need another dictatorship
      
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      July 10, 2023 12:33pm
  - Ghost
    
    It should remain with the sporting bodies, not government, and some are banning trans. If you want govt involved then a greens labour govt will force sporting bodies to include trans.
    
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    July 10, 2023 9:26am
  - cmm
    
    Act should not be worrying about regulating sport.
    
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    July 10, 2023 9:53am
  - thirteenstars
    
    They’re both right.
    
    ACT is stating the moral position that it’s wrong. National are saying each sport must make its own rules. I don’t see a conflict.
    
    I doubt ACT has a policy to make it illegal for a sport to have men competing against women.
    
    Where the state can get involved is sports events that receive public money. This includes school sports and any funded through grants, which is quite a few. If media funding can come with Treaty strings attached then sports funding can require separation of biological sex in competition. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
    
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    July 10, 2023 9:58am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Le was bing it to individual sports is for the best, what would we call it if minister of sport waded into each sport and decided for them? Swimming has worked it out that it’s a no, other sports are following, we don’t need a dictator, no matter what a govern says here, the sports global body will decide
    
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    July 10, 2023 12:32pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  She may not be too happy when Spark leaves her when it becomes clear to their Board that her comments are the reason people decided to leave.
  
  I am thinking about how casual the Bud Light lady seemed to be… Her pronouns are now Un/Employed.
  
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  July 10, 2023 8:28am
  - Ehlana
    
    I think Shaneel is a he, actually.
    
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    July 10, 2023 10:59am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I thought it was a female wanting to be in between male and female. So undefined.
      
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      July 10, 2023 11:17am
    - Blog-aholic
      
      The head of SM content is a female. That is the she I was alluding to.
      
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      July 10, 2023 11:36am
- G152
  
  The ring on his wallet may be why he is Tame
  
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  July 10, 2023 8:29am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, what the hell is happening to Tame with his effeminate gestures? The Spark woman has a partner so her views may be queered.
  
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  July 10, 2023 9:42am
- mogg
  
  So telling paying customers to go elsewhere is “sassy”. These people really do live in a little bubble with their head up their own ass.
  
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  July 10, 2023 10:26am
Chris Nisbet

Headline news! It’s raining in Auckland! Again.
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July 10, 2023 8:19am
Matt Long

Has anyone seen the details of this study.
70% is an extraordinary rate of burnout for farmers, when other articles by the same author place medical doctors at 22%.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/07/07/farmers-have-burnout-risk-of-70-new-research-reveals/
Don’t worry though McAnulty has your back. 🗡️🗡️🗡️🗡️
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July 10, 2023 8:23am
- Gravelroad
  
  @Matt Long-
  As a farmer, I was going to comment on this.
  But then I thought – what the hell is the point.
  No one cares about farmer burn out.
  And to be fair, apart from the Green Party, not all politicians are avidly against farmers and their work.
  Most of the knives in the back are generated by experts in offices and lazy-boy chairs in front of the TV.
  And, of course, the paid for msm love an anti-farming, environmental wrecker story. And don’t care about any misery they inflict on those out in the paddocks working.
  
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  July 10, 2023 10:57am
  - kowtow
    
    G
    
    Seriously . I think there are an awful lot of common sense rational city folk who do care about farming ,farmers and primary industry .
    
    It’s just the impression given by media and the small minority of radical activists who seem to have captured the media and commentariat.
    
    I suspect though in a NZ context that the Nats took their eye off the ball and went all global warming on you ( and us) and to some extent they have realised that was a mistake and so are making farmer friendly noises .
    
    I don’t trust them on that , Luxon has made it very clear he’s a warmist alarmist and so an awful lot of farm vote may ( should ) go to Act .
    
    I hope so.
    
    Back to point.
    Don’t despair , a lot of us townies appreciate the food on our plates and the fibre that cloth us .
    Afterall it’s the basis of our wealth and health.
    
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    July 10, 2023 11:09am
- Paulus
  
  But do not turn your back on McAnulty – he is a dangerous man from the TAB in the Wairarapa.
  
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  July 10, 2023 1:35pm
  - jon
    
    Any luck McAnulty he will be back at the TAB in a few months
    
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    July 10, 2023 9:19pm
Gravelroad

It seems that many men who want to be women, or at least look like women, still want to be in control of what other women can do, say and think.
People can change outside appearances.
Changing ingrained thinking and expectations built up over many generations is not so easy.
Look like a woman – keep thinking like a man. That’s the way to do it……
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July 10, 2023 8:29am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  Bridget Phetasy started saying “Patriachy so crafty” a few years ago as a joke but even she admits it is not looking like the weak males are making it true.
  Time for good men to stand up again.
  
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  July 10, 2023 8:46am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Gravel the whole radical trans movement is about misogyny, that and fetish with a need to have everyone join in. For example I don’t think the question that I’ve heard asked should be “ why would young children want to watch a drag queen ?” But rather why does a drag queen want to perform for children?
  Why is it not enough that we afford Trans people the dignity of living as they please without harassment but we have to bow down and “ believe “ they are actually women?
  
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  July 10, 2023 8:55am
  - KKKKatee
    
    Why aren’t Drag Queens gyrating their crotches in Rest Homes?
    
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    July 10, 2023 9:37am
    - Ghost
      
      Everyone seems obsessed with drag queens, but it seems we are getting constant stories of teachers abusing children in nz.
      
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      July 10, 2023 9:47am
    - thirteenstars
      
      For exactly the same reason no one jumps up and down about the staggeringly low participation rates of women in the trades.
      
      Activists congeal in places where they can exert the most influence and do the most damage. So trans activists go to schools and women seek employment in government and human resources jobs.
      
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      July 10, 2023 10:03am
Nickc2

NZ’s Trade deal with the EU worth $100 mil generates Govt joyous euphoria and NZ MSM subservient accolades.
The Govt’s loss of $500 mil due to their Covid RAT mismanagement, Crickets chirping, and no one held accountable.
Bring on the Election!
PS: The NZX has ceased Trading Peeni Henare Group. Shares. //
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July 10, 2023 8:31am
- greybeard
  
  My email to Hosking this morning:
  To: [Mod – although it is publicly available please leave email addresses out]
  Date: 10/07/2023 06:56 NZST
  Subject: Balancing the books.
  The government signs a free trade agreement with Europe which could benefit the country by about $100m a year.
  The government spends about $100m a year on hotel rooms for the “homeless”.
  The government also wastes $500m by buying and storing outdated RAT tests.
  Is that a fair exchange ?
  
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  July 10, 2023 1:22pm
  - Nickc2
    
    You’ve summed it up nicely.
    
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    July 10, 2023 1:53pm
- Paulus
  
  The Trade Deal with the EC has yet, if ever to be ratified by all EU members, and some will not let New Zealand in anyway.
  They are talking perhps by 2050 that some form of agreement may be concluded.
  Don’t be fooled by today’s surrounding crapage.
  
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  July 10, 2023 1:38pm
  - Nickc2
    
    IMO, this is something the NAT/ACT coalition should be shouting to the roof-tops.
    There’s so much stuff out there that the coalition could be capitalising on but for some reason, they don’t.
    They need some political mongrel!!!
    
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    July 10, 2023 1:57pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

So I breathlessly scanned the Green Party policies announced over the weekend. Soak the ‘rich’ & save the planet everywhere. 30% might vote for us, they said.

Ooo, thought I. Surely they’ll be promoting the one policy guaranteed to do both: promise population control measures. Cutting the birth rate will save Gaia and destroy investment value. Be true to their kaupapa. Two birds with one stone.

Nope, not a word. Greens, pointless since forever.
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July 10, 2023 8:32am
Southern Raider

Saw in the USA they banned “men” from competing in women’s swimming events.

But only if over 16 and if under 16 “men/boys” can choose to compete against girls

In a YMCA event 16 year old “boys” were allowed to change in the girls change rooms with the female swimmers

If I was a dad there I would be hauling those creeps out of the change rooms and acting as a bouncer on the door
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July 10, 2023 8:33am
- Colville
  
  … right up until one of those creeps chose to have a few words with you and demand entry…you push him and you go to jail…because his mate was filming it all and that is what they wanted….
  
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  July 10, 2023 9:13am
- I remember when
  
  And just when you thought that nothing was too silly – it wasn’t.
  
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  July 10, 2023 9:41am
All_on_Red

Another Groomer caught at the BBC
‘The BBC said Sunday that it has suspended a leading presenter who is alleged to have paid a teenager for sexually explicit photos.’
The U.K.’s publicly funded national broadcaster was scrambling to head off a worsening crisis after The Sun newspaper reported allegations that the male presenter gave a youth $45,000 starting in 2020 when the young person was 17.’
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jul/9/bbc-suspends-presenter-over-claims-he-paid-teenage/
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July 10, 2023 8:37am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Completely unrelated, but lots of Tweets from followers saying how upset they were that the BBC had suspended ‘This Time’ presenter Alan Partridge with immediate effect.
  
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  July 10, 2023 8:48am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh dear
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYd_AbjpBYw
    
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    July 10, 2023 9:17am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      LOL!! 😀
      
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      July 10, 2023 9:31am
    - I remember when
      
      He obviously thinks that 16 year-olds should be given the vote, even if they squander their money.
      
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      July 10, 2023 9:38am
  - Biscuit
    
    Maggie, that is one of my big bugbears with non-disclosure.
    
    ‘A 71-year-old retired man from Upper Hutt was arrested today…’
    
    This particular 71-year-old man from Upper Hutt promptly has KITTENS lest friends of his spot that story and, gasp, think it is ME that is involved…
    
    [And here I am with not even a speeding ticket de-whitening my name!]
    
    The perp in question, especially if he has a bob or two to his name, will probably also do umpteen court runs to extend his name suppression rulings while even dear (?) friends of mine are murmuring ‘Ah, come on, Biscuit, just admit it was you and move on…’
    
    Sniff, eh?
    
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    July 10, 2023 10:26am
Maggie Pie

Who’s behind male trans-activist NZ’er-Of-The-Year Shaneel Lall ?

The answer may surprise…..

https://twitter.com/disinfonz/status/1675844293997772800
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July 10, 2023 8:38am
- backster
  
  No surprise Maggie. The Police have a Gender Liason Squad led by a transexual Senior Sergeant. Part of the reason they can’t find the staff to respond to urgent jobs.
  
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  July 10, 2023 8:45am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    God it’s so depressing not only do certain people in this country feel the need to latch on to any craze that takes hold in the other English speaking countries but they have to try so very hard to do it better/ more extreme.
    
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    July 10, 2023 9:42am
- Matt Long
  
  He’s not a cop, he’s a policy advisor, just like Lall for the Ministry of Education.
  
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  July 10, 2023 9:11am
I remember when

Some interesting data from –
Education Awa: Education outcomes for Maori:
Berl. Aug 2019.

Only 22% of Maori in Maori medium schooling do not achieve NCEA Level 1, compared with 30% of Maori in English medium schooling.
The inverse is true for students that participated in Maori medium schools, and completed NCEA Level 1 in an English medium high school; 37% of this group did not achieve NCEA Level 1, though the rates of Merit and Excellence endorsements are comparable to the overall Maori average.

This is, of course, based on statistical data without any supporting information that might highlight other reasons for the differences.
However, considering the above information allows thoughts as to reasons for the results.
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July 10, 2023 9:02am
- Dave
  
  Presumably, pupils at Māori medium schools are volunteers, or at least their parents are motivated volunteers, taking an active interest in their children’s education. Is the same true at English medium schools?
  
  Do English and Māori medium schools’ pupils have identical socio-economic profiles?
  
  Are the pupils’ subject choice distributions identical?
  
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  July 10, 2023 10:27am
- zombie
  
  I think that’s fabulous if it is true. I wonder how many Maori vs state schools there are, what kind of communities they are in and whether the subjects are the same.
  
  I am not being sceptical just putting together various factoids I have assimilated. I think finding those answers might elucidate. I wonder if there is a divide between urban and community schools particularly those with a strong influence of involved kuia? and aunties etc
  
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  July 10, 2023 7:25pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

I commented the other day to the effect that who would travel to NZ to watch the upcoming Women’s World Cup when it’s third rate football. On reflection, that was a bit harsh. While I still believe that the football will be of lesser quality, it’s the pinnacle of the Women’s game & good on them for getting out there & playing.

No, the source of my ire is that I’m fed up with the wokester fanbois & grrls trying to tell me that it’s just as fine as the male equivalent & that I’m an irredeemable sexist if I think anything else.
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July 10, 2023 9:04am
Surely Knott

Who shot Green activist Jack Brazil? Who was in the car with him? Why can’t Jack Brazil tell us who was in the car? Why was no description of the offender or the event released? Or motive? Why was Jack’s marxist cafe raided after the shooting? What was found?

It’s been months now so it seems we are not going to be told. Seems like political info suppressed to protect the left. Really NZ Police?
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July 10, 2023 9:07am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Not a White Supremicist clearly, or Jacinda would be brought back from the political dead to front & centre the hand wringing.
  
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  July 10, 2023 9:56am
- rouppe
  
  The tenor of the article suggests they don’t know who was in the car with Jack Brazil.
  
  Wouldn’t Jack know?
  
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  July 10, 2023 12:50pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Nutbar of the day:

https://patriotsnewsstand.com/uniondailypost/sd-rep-says-mt-rushmore-is-a-demon-portal-to-spread-communism-in-america/
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July 10, 2023 9:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0rgeQ0QD-o
  
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  July 10, 2023 9:33am
- Biscuit
  
  Steve, way back in the day I was an avid reader of ‘MAD’ magazine.
  
  I always remember one of their famous fold-outs where the four Prezzies on Mt Rushmore were shown with their faces looking all earnest and, well Presidential … and the fold-out then revealing they were all kneeling, bare-butted, hairy as, pimples everywhere…
  
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  July 10, 2023 10:33am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @Biscuit
    “I was an avid reader of Mad magazine”
    That explains a lot ……….
    
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    July 10, 2023 10:44am
    - Biscuit
      
      Grrr, Gravelroad, heh.
      
      Feel free to sink your dentures into your own rear end!
      
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      July 10, 2023 10:50am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Oi! I was a reader too. You do need a sense of humour to enjoy it.
      
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      July 10, 2023 11:22am
      - Biscuit
        
        Indeed, Steve.
        
        Life is too short to go through it with as sour an attitude as some folk seemingly enjoy doing!
        
        Mind, I am thinking Gravelroad’s reply to my first post was poking the borax, extracting the urine, whatever … hence my like-minded response.
        
        No, je deserves a Sushi and Sashimi lunch platter!
        
        Share? Not on your life!
        
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        July 10, 2023 12:04pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Need a tinfoil hat for this:

https://roccistuccishow.com/ccps-neurostrike-program-pushing-cognitive-warfare-to-a-new-level/
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July 10, 2023 9:28am
KKKKatee

So the Green Gangsters are now promising a cure for cancer as well as ending poverty by playing Robin Hood games. They can keep their grubby hands out of my pocket thanks. And as for making outlandish statements regarding cancer, I couldn’t stop laughing about that bullshittery. They’re seriously deluded.
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July 10, 2023 9:29am
I remember when

Paid sex leave is being advocated.
That only leaves the question of who pays.
Do you get paid when you take it, or do you have to pay to take it.
Perhaps a new tax is in the pipeline.
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July 10, 2023 9:33am
- KKKKatee
  
  What? So potentially do I have to pay staff to take the afternoon off to have a shag?
  
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  July 10, 2023 9:55am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Biden blocked from stealing 2024 Election?

REP BOEBERT LAUDS COURT ORDER BLOCKING MANIPULATION OF 2024 ELECTION.

https://libertyonenews.com/rep-boebert-lauds-court-order-blocking-manipulation-of-2024-election/
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July 10, 2023 9:43am
- Inandout
  
  SO, Biden will have decomposed well before the 2024 election, but yes good news.
  
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  July 10, 2023 10:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Decomposing started in the head years ago.
    
    He is a very sick man. I detest the Democrats for using him this way.
    He and family are all crooks.
    
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    July 10, 2023 11:24am
Maggie Pie

Wonder if Tory & friends wouldn’t try the ol’ dine-n-dash from Dragons Chinese?

😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/detectfights/status/1677769589646606337
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July 10, 2023 9:44am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/packed-hall-in-tauranga-last-night/
This would be the 4th or 5th meeting in Tauranga/Mt Maunganui.
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July 10, 2023 9:57am
I remember when

Barry Soper:
Expired vaccines, now ONLY worth $410 million not $500 million, represents almost half of Pharmac’s annual budget.
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July 10, 2023 10:00am
- WaynelSexton
  
  New Zealanders begged for those vaccines, the least they can do is take them.
  
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  July 10, 2023 11:17am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The socialist Govt begged for them. I didn’t.
    
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    July 11, 2023 8:28am
- DeepBlue
  
  Not vaccines, just RATs.
  
  Lord knows how much the vax wastage is.
  
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  July 10, 2023 2:01pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Take up of the latest booster has topped out at 20 percent of those eligible. I’d say there will be a warehouse of vaccines somewhere that rivals the warehouse full of RAT tests.
    
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    July 10, 2023 2:12pm
Maggie Pie

BE SURE YOUR SIN WILL FIND YOU OUT (Moses)

Thomas Cranmer raises a few pertinent questions into the relationship between the Ministry-of-Education and TatouNZ …..

https://twitter.com/CranmerWrites/status/1678147629656735744

Could get messy?
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July 10, 2023 10:10am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  1. Looks like Jan Tinetti doesn’t have much understanding of her Ministry.
  
  2. Looks like Chris Hipkins needs to run an audit across all his Ministers and find out how many have been shovelling Government loot into the pockets of their spouses/cuzzies/good mates.
  
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  July 10, 2023 10:49am
I remember when

Environment Southland’s winter grazing order comes at a “massive cost.” Newstalk.
This includes red flags on critical source areas, and the breaking of slope rules.
Federated Farmers Winter Grazing Spokesperson, Mike Herrick, told Mike Hosking farmers have put in mitigations and extra costs to meet their expectations.
To be slapped with abatement notices is unfair and unjust.

Was any other result expected?
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July 10, 2023 10:27am
bjools

Q:
Are we back to the bad old days of Helen Clark?
Where govt. dept.s took months to pay their invoices.
I am again over due for payment by Massey university.
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July 10, 2023 10:29am
- Blog-aholic
  
  It maybe that they no longer have the money to pay you with.
  
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  July 10, 2023 10:39am
- Inandout
  
  bj, they are being bailed by Labour but borrowed money takes time to filter through. Perhaps just before the election?
  
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  July 10, 2023 10:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Plus 10% for the big guy?
    
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    July 10, 2023 11:27am
- Maggie Pie
  
  There’s a book I could recommend 😀
  
  https://gerardfoxlaw.com/sue-the-bastards
  
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  July 10, 2023 11:09am
Diogenes

As someone who spent around 50 years in journalism (newspapers, radio & TV among other media), I really have to wonder whether today’s crop have a brain between them. In today’s edition of Stuff (yeah, I know, a glutton for punishment), there’s an article in the travel section extolling the virtues of a tiny cafe on the tiny Cook Islands paradise of Aitutaki, way out in the middle of nowhere, which takes a minimum of two plane rides to reach. The article lists several airlines that you can use for the journey. Then, at the foot of the article, comes the now-traditional boilerplate paragraph (I kid you not):
“Flying generates carbon emissions. To reduce your impact, consider other ways of travelling……..”
Can someone please donate these geniuses (geneii?) a brain cell.
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July 10, 2023 10:33am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Yesterday Flight Radar online recorded the largest day for the number of commercial flights in a 24 hour period. Can we get our plastic bags back please?
  
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  July 10, 2023 11:03am
- mandk
  
  Don’t worry, Diogenes.
  
  The Greens will soon be demanding that there should be regular bus and train services to Aitutaki.
  
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  July 10, 2023 11:45am
slightlyrighty

I’ve just done a bit of a deep dive on the background on the 3 major parties candidates for Wellington Central. In Particular their Linkedin profiles.

The Labour Candidate has 2 listed positions Under Experience.

Union Organiser
List MP.

The Green Candidate has 4 listed positions.
Graphic Designer.
Engagement VP at Vic Uni Students Association
President of Vic Uni Students Assoc
Wellington City Councillor.

The National Candidate has 20 Listed Positions including:

– Head Tutor at Otago Law School
– Associate at Chen Palmer
– Legal Adviser at the UN
– Legal Adviser at MFAT
– Vice Chair of the (6th) Legal Committee at the UN
– Member of the Advisory Council for SRI LANKA CAMPAIGN FOR PEACE AND JUSTICE LTD
– Senior Lecturer, Director of Postgraduate Human Rights Programme and Human Rights in Iran Unit
– Senior Legal Counsel and Sanctions and Peacekeeping Teams’ Leader
– Director, International Branch NZDF.
– International Legal Counsel, Diplomatic Adviser International Legal Counsel, United Arab Emirates

The sheer gulf in experience should make this a hands down win for the Nats in this seat, but unfortunately the best qualified candidate is going to struggle. However, on CV alone, Wellington Central is blessed with a stunning National candidate.

It’s just a pity that Wellington Central Voters may not have the sense to see it.
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July 10, 2023 10:47am
- plc
  
  Actually the Nat candidate’s CV wouldn’t look out of place on Labour’s front bench
  
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  July 10, 2023 12:32pm
  - slightlyrighty
    
    I challenge you to find anyone on Labour’s front bench with that level of qualifications and experience.
    
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    July 10, 2023 1:31pm
- leoj
  
  In other words, not one has ever held a REAL job.
  
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  July 10, 2023 2:13pm
- artemisia
  
  Couple of Bright Young Things in brand new tees knocked on my door recently. They were dead keen to let me know about the Labour Welly Central candidate. I told them I knew nothing about him. One knew very little, the other told a bit about the candidate’s experience with supporting refugees and being a cleaner at the university. At least that was a real job, though might not have added much to the experience list. Nothing about achievements as an MP.
  
  Given the history of the electorate, must be a possibility the National candidate could come through the middle.
  
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  July 10, 2023 5:35pm
graham

Spark has decided to clarify where they stand:

https://twitter.com/SparkNZ/status/1678170839701651457

It sounds like the, err, ‘sassy’ head of Spark’s social media team may been quietly told that telling people that Spark doesn’t want to hear their view if Spark disagrees with it, isn’t actually all that inclusive …
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July 10, 2023 11:37am
- Ghost
  
  So what actually kicked this off that spark were replying to with Lal?
  
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  July 10, 2023 11:53am
  - graham
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/07/general_debate_08_july_2023.html#comment-3398071
    
    It seems that Shaneel Lall was (as usual) hating on people who he disagrees with (in this case it was so-called TERFs, which as far as I can make out is a particularly nasty label applied to women who dare to stand up for, well, WOMEN). Spark’s official Twitter account was seen to enthusiastically jump into bed with Shaneel on the Twitter thread; Bob McCoskrie politely inquired if that was Spark’s official stance; Bob was essentially told to sod off and that Spark weren’t interested in any further discussion.
    
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    July 10, 2023 12:47pm
    - Ghost
      
      So it wasn’t even on sparks account, they just used the spark account to join in?
      
      Agreeing with calling anyone a terf should have that employee dealt with for discrimination
      
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      July 10, 2023 12:54pm
      - mogg
        
        No Spark here, just received confirmation of my new shares in Infratil/Vodaphone retail offer. Cost to me$9.20 each, market price today $10.30.
        Best thing is high capital gain low dividend, so very little tax, if you want cash sell shares. Moral is never invest for high dividends in NZ.
        
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        July 10, 2023 2:55pm
- Inandout
  
  graham, a place to start if you want Spark shares.
  https://buyshares.co.nz/spark/
  
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  July 10, 2023 11:59am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Looks like a very awkward walking backwards attempt…..not so sassy now, but she did have her 5 minutes of fame.
  
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  July 10, 2023 12:13pm
  - plc
    
    “We’re sorry if you were offended…..”
    
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    July 10, 2023 12:38pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  I think this is the “Bud Light” effect at play here…
  
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  July 10, 2023 1:32pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Kellie Jay Keen is returning to New Zealand in September for the trial of the person who assaulted her. Imagine the shit storm that will create.
  
  I doubt that any of the trans activists are yet aware.
  
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  July 10, 2023 2:09pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Will she be allowed entry though?
    Bet they refuse her.
    
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    July 10, 2023 3:13pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yes good question. They will probably blame her for the riot last time and refuse her entry.
      
      OTOH she says she is coming ONLY to attend court regarding a charge against someone who assaulted her. Refusing someone to enter New Zealand to attend court where they were a victim… very bad look.
      
      She said on her pod cast that she is employing security guards in the UK who will accompany her from the time she gets to on the plane in London to the time she gets back again – essentially 24/7 bodyguards. That will cost $$$$ !
      
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      July 10, 2023 4:36pm
      - Mike
        
        I guess she’s either making enough money from the gullible to pay for security or is just lying about the need for her own security on a long-haul flight.
        
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        July 10, 2023 5:48pm
  - kevn
    
    @BY… Near the eve of an election. Perfect timing.
    
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    July 10, 2023 4:23pm
KH

Quite a laugh. If your Mana is so weak it is threatened by some Spanish women trying a haka, it’s not much of a mana.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/world-game/132514203/cultural-sensitivity-urged-after-spain-fifa-womens-world-cup-team-films-haka-attempt
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July 10, 2023 11:44am
- Ghost
  
  Wouldn’t it be more of an insult to have criminals doing a Haka
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/comanchero-gang-films-haka-inside-maximum-security-prison-for-social-media-video/GFHKCXZMR5BR3BUPQ6WW7WN4WY/
  
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  July 10, 2023 12:03pm
- Flossie
  
  I was just about to comment on that. According to NZ Herald they “trampled” on Maori stuff. So how come it’s okay for a person to pick up a guitar and start strumming and singing a country and western song? Or people to dye their hair or and paint their nails? So many other examples of possible cultural appropriation from other peoples. Cowboy hat anyone?
  
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  July 10, 2023 12:05pm
  - Paulus
    
    But remember it was the Maori who invented the Guitar too !
    
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    July 10, 2023 1:45pm
    - david
      
      But only in lots of 10
      
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      July 10, 2023 4:56pm
    - Humai
      
      Beneath the stars?
      
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      July 10, 2023 9:35pm
Maggie Pie

I’m sure it must be the 5 o’clock shadow and saggy
balls that straight men can’t resist, wouldn’t it be? 🙁

https://twitter.com/Elamimaxima/status/1666804492950724614
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July 10, 2023 12:04pm
- thirteenstars
  
  “Since trans women are women, straight men find themselves attracted to them.”
  
  What a bizarre assertion. Any straight man interacting with a man disguised as a woman pretty soon cottons on to it. It’s called the uncanny valley.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley
  
  Men and women have completely different body language and behavioural clues. If a man is in fact attracted to another man disguised as a woman then he’s not straight. He’s at the very least bisexual.
  
  It really does speak to the psychosis of trans activism that these people think they’re fooling all the people all the time.
  
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  July 10, 2023 12:42pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Very interesting 13. Never heard of ‘uncanny-valley’ hypothesis until now.
    
    Funnily enuff, when one of the girls at Tennis told us her older brother had imported two lifesize silicone sex dolls from the USA, we naturally thort he must be a bit strange 🙁
    But turns out he lives at Kohi and only wanted them to sit in his Porsche so he can use the T3 lanes.
    
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    July 10, 2023 1:18pm
    - thirteenstars
      
      Or so he says.
      
      😉
      
      I have a friend in Texas who tells me the police are pretty diligent at going after drivers who try that sort of ruse in their HOV lanes. Decent fines, too.
      
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      July 10, 2023 1:33pm
    - Bridgenag
      
      luv u maggie
      
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      July 10, 2023 2:59pm
- mogg
  
  The size 14 stilettos are a real giveaway.
  
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  July 10, 2023 2:34pm
  - Yabster
    
    not to mention the hairy chest…
    
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    July 10, 2023 3:11pm
    - graham
      
      I remember walking along K Rd in the late 90s, a naive young bloke who really didn’t know about such things. Saw a mini-skirted figure in the distance with a low-cut blouse … as I got closer I saw the hair spilling out of the low-cut blouse.
      
      I swear I went blind through the trauma for five minutes.
      
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      July 10, 2023 4:11pm
      - mogg
        
        Was. It Lola.
        
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        July 10, 2023 7:10pm
Its only I

Things you need to reset and take the dog for a good walk.

1. A dog.
2. A 4wd your not so precious about.
3. Hearty Lunch.
4. South Island bush block.
5. Gold pan.
6. Sniffer bottle.
7. A typical sunny winters day.

Walked 8km, got some photos of some birds, almost stalked a Tahr and found 3 grams of gold today.
Best part was the homegrown roast Lamb in a ciabatta roll.

What a Country and raring to go for the week.

First things first..

…the daily… “F*ck off Labour, your out this election!!”

…and away we go!
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July 10, 2023 12:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Somehow this chap doesn’t seem to fit Marama Davidson’s stereotypic view of the men who inflict violence on women.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300924578/police-appeal-for-publics-help-in-relation-to-horrific-kidnapping-case
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July 10, 2023 12:38pm
- Ghost
  
  I saw that just before and thought his head tattoo looked like the nz Herald logo upside down….
  
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  July 10, 2023 12:40pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    So it does.
    
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    July 10, 2023 12:48pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Also described by the police liaison officer as having ‘neck tattoos’
      
      What have I always been warning about….
      
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      July 10, 2023 12:58pm
Benedict Yu

It’s like living in Columbia 😕

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300924578/police-appeal-for-publics-help-in-relation-to-horrific-kidnapping-case
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July 10, 2023 1:42pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Wonder if they’ve contacted Harry Tam yet to get his opinion?
  He’ll probably be cutting & pasting a ‘cultural report’ as we speak.
  
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  July 10, 2023 2:07pm
Bridgenag

Anyone know about the green crosses everywhere? Early election stuff? Can can anyone tell me how to buy shares in the red cone business? 30mm apart on the Karaka road….
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July 10, 2023 3:03pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Oh noes – it is Trump again. 2 days ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro6_o2Fw7hA
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July 10, 2023 3:45pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/300924487/earth-is-at-its-hottest-in-thousands-of-years-heres-how-we-know
“Stuff” considered this article to be of such earth-shattering importance that it relegated it to about Page 4, as just a small filler item !
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July 10, 2023 4:23pm
Swifty

Hey Pacific people! Ever get the feeling that you’ve been conned?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/review-slams-jacinda-arderns-hollow-dawn-raid-apology-after-nothing-done-to-stop-dawn-raids/LDGTZSYFRNAWNA4EZAOIODJ3GU/

Hahahahaha!

Mugs.
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July 10, 2023 5:17pm
- kowtow
  
  Caught in yet another play dressups theatre of the fake .
  
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  July 10, 2023 8:14pm
Ghost

Bullshit, hasn’t even been agreed to by EU countries

New Zealand’s groundbreaking free trade deal with the European Union (EU) is being hailed as a “big deal” and one that could decrease the cost of living crisis.

The deal, which was signed in Belgium overnight, is expected to increase exports by $1.8 billion annually.

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July 10, 2023 5:27pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  A few signed. Did not see Hipkins signing anything.
  
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  July 10, 2023 5:44pm
- Mike
  
  Your comment is factually correct but assumes that NZ and the EU would spend years negotiating an FTA that is unlikely to be ratified.
  Given that our farmers are moaning that the FTA doesn’t give them all the meat and dairy access they want, one might assume that the EU has held the line for some of its member countries.
  
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  July 10, 2023 5:44pm
Ghost

Why are people threatening to boycott Spark NZ?

A social media interaction between Spark NZ and a prominent transgender activist has led to threats of boycotting the company.

Over the weekend, the telco’s reply to a post from trans activist Shaneel Lal on the new social media platform Threads ruffled the feathers of some of its customers.

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July 10, 2023 5:58pm
- Ghost
  
  Now on newshub.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/07/spark-addresses-social-media-controversy-amid-threats-of-boycott.html
  
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  July 10, 2023 7:58pm
Ghost

Since it is wrong to raid homes of people who are illegally in the country when they are home. Is it also wrong for the police to raid homes for other crimes early in the morning too?

A report into recent ‘Dawn Raid’ tactics on migrant overstayers has slammed the Government’s historic apology to the Pasifika community for past abuses as hollow.

It says to truly end the practice of raiding homes ‘after hours,’ the law needs to change. But the Immigration Minister says that’s not possible before the election.

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July 10, 2023 8:01pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  So Jacinda Ardern’s apology was just another excuse for her to hog some TV time.
  
  Was it really too difficult to tell her Minister of Immigration (Kris Faafoi, at the time) to pull finger and send a message to the troops to sleep in until 8am before instigating a raid?
  
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  July 10, 2023 8:30pm
  - Ghost
    
    Well it was too hard to get wood to sell his shares, too hard to deal with ministers that physically and verbally attack their staff. I’m guessing if it didn’t involve a tv camera it was too hard for Ardern to do.
    
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    July 10, 2023 8:42pm
Ghost

Bus driver should be supported for her actions, not sacked, pathetic

A school bus driver who waved down two nearby police officers to warn loud, unruly children to behave was sacked via a letter in her mailbox she opened on Christmas Eve.

Eighteen months later, driver Beth Wolak has succeeded in her claim that her employer had no good reason to dismiss her, receiving more than $20,000 following an order for lost wages and compensation.

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